"GOONING" (w/ Zara Larsson)

This week on Las Cultch, it’s a silly, fun, fuzzy, cackling good time with a pop star for the PEOPLE: Zara Larsson! She joins Matt + Bowen to goon, as well as audition "Gooners" as a fandom name for Zara, who also reveals plans to eventually become a singing Mamdani of Sweden. Puss Puss '48! Also, the realities of phone sex and how airplanes make you horny, winning a huge Swedish talent show at 10 years old, and how it feels to have people only realizing now that Zara is an elite vocalist. All this, the roaring 20's of pop music, Robyn as Mother, doing girly things on We Heart It, Jimmy Buffett and Zara’s potential as a resort, “the nature of Florida” and… Zara gives Las Cultch a sartorial FIRST! Matt + Bow watch the new video for "Blue Moon" and IDTSH's on Gatorade, Docusign and IDTSH itself! It’s an all timer! Have you ever seen a pretty girl get cultchy like this? Prob not! XO! See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  And it would be such a powerful experience for me onstage.

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  Yeah.

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  To be like, one, two, three, goon. And everyone in the ground just, like, starts.

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  Look, Matt, there. Oh, I see. Wow. Why? Bowen, look over there. Is that culture? Yes. Goodness. Wow.

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  Las Culturistas.

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  Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. And it looks like Matt and Bowen are the readers today.

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  Of El Especialito.

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  Especialito news. Podcasts are a visual medium. We actually hit the presses with Especialito with our guest, Zara Larson, on the cover.

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  Manhattan, it's Especialito Manhattan. There's, I guess, there's different borough versions.

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  Can we just, Rachel, you found these on the streets?

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  This is fantastic.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  So this is really, this is front-page news, okay?

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  This is from, this is, this is Zara at the Grammys.

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  Stunning. And she will return next year, or they will be dealt with.

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  I mean, they-

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  That's the way, that's the way we Grammy campaign, is we just make threats.

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  We just threaten the recording academy.

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  Has it worked before?

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  No.

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  Sort of? No.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  No. Hey, Matt, la get.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Go ahead, go ahead. Now, define it.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  Swedish for what's up?

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  Do you speak any Swedish?

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  No, I didn't really nail it, did I?

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  So I'm just a ghost.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  She's a ghost right now, but she will, she's gonna become corporal in just seconds.

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  Here's some Swedish for you. This is a gag. She's the youngest winner of Talang.

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  Period.

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  Period.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  First of all, youngest winner of Talang, and is that, did I say it right?

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  Talang.

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  That was beautiful.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Talang, that was beautiful. And I became aware of our guest when fellow Pisces-

• 4:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

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  Joel Kim Booster sent me a song called "Ruin My Life" several years ago.

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  So this is, so this is post-lush life and post, wow.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  Literally. Well, this is what we'll talk about today, is I feel like people arrive to our guests in many different timelines. And now, it is sort of universal monoculture, and thank God. But when I heard "Ruin My Life," and Joel Kim Booster said to me, "This is our song." Midnight Sun was an Album of the Year nominee at the Las Culturistas Culture Awards, because it is one of the Albums of the Year. And honestly, I'm just excited about what today is gonna bring.

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  I'm so excited. She's a Grammy-nominated icon. Everyone, please welcome-

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Zara Larson! And we brought back that silly pillow for you today, because actually, you do make it work.

• 4:46Speaker 02

  You make it work.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  Thank you, yes. And now I see it. Now I see it.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:49Speaker 02

  The prince, you know what I mean? Wait, and then tell us about-

• 4:52Speaker 03

  Movel?

• 4:53Speaker 02

  Movel.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Who's Movel?

• 4:54Speaker 03

  She's from Chicago, and I saw her in a store, and she was just so cute. And I figured she could be a very chic, plain pillow.

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  Yeah.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Has she been comfortable on the road?

• 5:04Speaker 03

  Very.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:04Speaker 03

  She helped me out a lot, actually. She's a bit scruffed up in the hair. She needs, like, a little bonnet or something.

• 5:09Speaker 02

  She needs a bonnet, for sure.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  But she's happy.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  She's happy. Can I see her facial expression? Yay.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Oh, she's gooning. She's gooning.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Movel?

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Gooning icon. Zara just gooned a little bit for the camera. If you want to see that, hit youtube.com.

• 5:28Speaker 03

  Exactly. No, but I'm gonna keep her here for now, because she's always in my bag.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:32Speaker 03

  But we brought her up for you guys, so.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Thank you for that.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  Now, would you ever goon with your Swedish boy over FaceTime? Have you, have you, have y'all done that?

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Yes, but it doesn't happen very often.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  No, I, can I just say-

• 5:46Speaker 03

  It's a bit, I don't know. It just sort of happens sometimes. It's like, oopsie.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  I can't believe that happened, but no. But yes, it has happened.

• 5:55Speaker 02

  I want to say, I don't, I don't like it.

• 5:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  I don't like phone sex.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Can I say, whenever it's presented to me as an option, like, whenever you're sending photos back and forth with someone you're talking to, and then someone says, "Do you want to just FaceTime?", I always panic.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  I'm kind of like, I don't want to do that.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  There's something hot about, like, sexting, because it feels like, you know, I'm in my own fantasies.

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  Yeah.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  I can make up scenarios, but then, once you see it on a screen, and it's just someone like-

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. You're sort of like, now I see the animal in you.

• 6:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  And animals are sort of a theme already.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  Well, no, Movel can't see.

• 6:31Speaker 03

  No, like-

• 6:32Speaker 02

  But you, you went in your head, you went like this, like, in your, like, you're locked in.

• 6:37Speaker 03

  No, I was locked in, because also, I was just posted a story on my way here-

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  -to New York on the airplane. And there's something about airplanes, to me personally, that makes me really horny.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, some of my best sexting conversations have happened on New York to LA flights.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  Like, what is that about?

• 6:52Speaker 01

  I think it's just the fact that, and when you were going like this with your brain, sort of giving X-Men Professor Xavier, what I thought you were doing was, you were showing your creativity, because that's, to me, my favorite part of the sexting process, is you get to be a little creative with your answers, whereas on FaceTime, you're put on the spot. Yes, like a little prose.

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  Haiku?

• 7:13Speaker 01

  A little haiku for you.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  Hi-gooning. Is that a new thing?

• 7:19Speaker 03

  Hi-go?

• 7:20Speaker 01

  Gooning?

• 7:21Speaker 02

  But why do you do the face so well?

• 7:25Speaker 01

  You are perfectly the emoji.

• 7:26Speaker 03

  Well, you know what it is, too?

• 7:27Speaker 01

  What?

• 7:28Speaker 03

  The people I work with, we have a, we have a thing called, like, if someone's gooning, it means they're fired. Because I want everyone around me to be able to do a goon face, because that, what it is, yes.

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  Yes.

• 7:40Speaker 03

  To me, that's like, are you, are you free?

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  Are you carefree? Are you yourself? Like, can you be silly?

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  Yeah.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  And if, if I ask someone on the spot, like, "Make a goon face," and they're like, "I can't do that," I'm like, "You gotta go."

• 7:53Speaker 01

  You're not the flavor.

• 7:54Speaker 03

  You're, you're, you're gooning, like, you're fired.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  That's part, that's part of the job interview? Here.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  So you're saying everyone, everyone in that next room over there-

• 8:02Speaker 03

  Chris goon.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Has gooned. Chris goon.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Can, can we drive an interview for Zara's team?

• 8:08Speaker 01

  I've kind of been doing it the whole time.

• 8:09Speaker 03

  It was your goon face, though.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  Go ahead, you go.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Period. That's a Broadway goon.

• 8:14Speaker 03

  You can say, you can say.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  Okay, here's my goon.

• 8:20Speaker 03

  Yes, it's like, let's be silly.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  Do it and hold it for just, like, one second.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  I'm scared now. Maybe I'm gooning now. Maybe I'm the one who's getting gooned.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  No, no, you're fired.

• 8:30Speaker 03

  But I like to do the, I like to do these things.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah, okay.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  Okay, ready? Watch this. Hmm, you think I'm reading about Zara, but I'm going.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  It's wow.

• 8:43Speaker 01

  I also said Zara.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Zara. Would you go by Zara? Oh, wait, let's, let's, let's, um, really settle this.

• 8:51Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  Cause you still aren't loving the fan names. There's not a single fan name that's gonna do it.

• 8:57Speaker 03

  Hasn't been anything that has stuck, you know?

• 9:00Speaker 01

  Cause, cause my first instinct was it for them to like use your name in a way, but then it's like, what are they? The Larsonians? That, that can't be it.

• 9:08Speaker 02

  Zlatson, Larsonist are like the winners right now.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  Larsonist is, is a lot of fun, but I can see that you are not, you wanna keep brainstorming.

• 9:16Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  I'm not like, ugh, to anything. It's hard. It's hard. And I feel like I shouldn't be the one naming it.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  That's, but, but then that's what makes it kind of not satisfying for you just yet because it's not, you're not, you haven't had a say in it.

• 9:32Speaker 03

  I guess, but it's sort of like making a TikTok trend.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 9:35Speaker 03

  It's like, it has to just naturally happen.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  You're so right.

• 9:38Speaker 03

  I don't wanna be sitting with my label to like, wh- what are we gonna do? Like, what's gonna be the trend? I think we should use this soundbite so people can do this. Like, no.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  No.

• 9:48Speaker 03

  It's, it's gonna happen if it happens, and if it doesn't, it's just not, it's just not meant to be.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  Organic stuff. It's kinda like sexting.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  It's kinda like, listen, if I wanted to move to FaceTime with you, we would.

• 9:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  But I'm still in the creative process. I'm writing. I'm always writing.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  I think, what about gooners?

• 10:07Speaker 01

  What if we just called Dara Larson's fans the gooners?

• 10:09Speaker 02

  Gooners.

• 10:10Speaker 03

  See, that's, that's something I like.

• 10:12Speaker 02

  And you, and you can take it.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  I think we just did it.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  I think you just, and, and you really take it back, and I, and we were gonna get into this with the culture, that made you say culture is for you. But you take it back from like, the dark sort of male energy around gooning.

• 10:24Speaker 03

  Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  And you really fem it up and you, you give it for the queers.

• 10:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, I do it for you.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  And we thank you for that because we know that is true.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  And it would be such a powerful experience for me on stage.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:36Speaker 03

  To be like, one, two, three, goon. Everyone in the ground just like starts.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  Like.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  You should do that this weekend.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Honestly, I don't, I don't think anything has brought me more joy than seeing the footage from your concert of them just lifting each other up.

• 10:53Speaker 03

  Isn't that beautiful?

• 10:54Speaker 01

  You were, you were so funny. Yeah, that is. And the fact that every single person would have been up in the air if they could.

• 11:02Speaker 03

  I know, it was amazing.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Unfortunately, some people need to be lifters.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  I know.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  And that's, that's a rule of culture. Number 10. Unfortunately, some people need to be lifters. That goes all the way back to cheerleading.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  It's true. It's true.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:13Speaker 02

  That was, was it Pukal? That was in Belgium?

• 11:15Speaker 03

  Pukal Pop, yes.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  Pukal Pop. That looks fun. There's a, there's a, um, Ferris wheel there. It looked like Coachella. But anyway, it looks fun.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  No, Pukal Pop, but you know what? It pisses me off, the name, because it means, uh, pimple pop.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  Come on.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 11:29Speaker 03

  It's true. A pukal is a pimple. And it's like, uh, it was started as a, like a teenage festival, so they were like, Pukal Pop?

• 11:37Speaker 02

  That's fun.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Pukal Pop.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  You know when I gooned for you?

• 11:40Speaker 03

  Tell me, tell me.

• 11:41Speaker 02

  Was when I watched you do the Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra concert.

• 11:47Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. Okay, deep cut.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Deep cut. Well, cause I was like, I was, I was, I was a fan from the jump. And then Ruin My Life was, came out and I was like, okay, this is the new era. This is fantastic.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  Moment.

• 12:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  Which, um, and then I was, I was with you on Venus, girl.

• 12:05Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 12:06Speaker 02

  And then, but then, but then, no, but before that was Swedish Symphony Orchestra.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  Radio Symphony Orchestra.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  And you were so stunning. And it was, it was the perfect thing of like, oh, the songwriting is so perfectly Swedish. She's such a good vocalist. Like, it has, the orchestral arrangement of it, like, brings out the joy and also the melancholy of it.

• 12:24Speaker 03

  And I think also, it was one of the few, uh, shows that I've done that wasn't like, I didn't have any dancers, I didn't have any lights and like production like that. It was really about the music.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  And I think, that's so funny you say that, cause now when I think back at it, I, I had a lot of love from Sweden, like where it was originally broadcasted.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  With, uh, the Swedish, like, Royal Radio Orchestra or something?

• 12:46Speaker 02

  Radio, I was, the Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra, I believe.

• 12:50Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  All great words.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  All great words.

• 12:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, wonderful.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  Gooning together. It's a word, it's a symphony of words.

• 12:57Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  We need, we need, one of the readers, Katie's Publicist Finalist, to do a goon count on this episode. How many times we say the word?

• 13:04Speaker 01

  Well, it's obviously the, if, front runner for title of EP is gooning with Dara Larson.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Of course, of course.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  Hey, readers, goon. I want everyone at home listening to be gooning right now in the car.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  Please.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  But, so you were saying that it was, it was like, it popped off in Sweden, you're saying?

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, like a lot of people, um, were just expressing their love because I think it was a really special show that I've done. Like, I didn't, I hadn't done anything like that before. Um, and, uh, I think especially in pop music, it just gets so camouflaged sometimes, like the song in itself and like my voice. Because there's so many things happening on stage and there's so many people and like, there is quick changes and there's dancers and there is content. But now, it wasn't that many distractions. So you could, you just had to be forced to listen to the song.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  I think that is like one of the coolest things about like you having this breakout moment over the past couple of years is people discovering just what you are vocally capable of. Because you can probably literally sing anything. Your voice is unbelievable. I wanted to ask, what's it like to have people come to you this late in your career and be like, I didn't know you could sing like that?

• 14:18Speaker 03

  That's all good.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. They're, at least they're discovering it.

• 14:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, better late than never, you know?

• 14:23Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  And I, I really think, it's so fun, honestly. Like, we were talking about that last night. Because I do have a pretty deep lore at this point.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  You do.

• 14:34Speaker 03

  And I have so much to discover. Like, if you're a new fan, it's sort of like finding your favorite TV show and realize there's 20 seasons of it.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  And you know like, see, like, series back in the days where they had like 24 episodes?

• 14:46Speaker 01

  Oh, you are like Grey's Anatomy.

• 14:48Speaker 03

  Exactly, exactly.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  Seasons and seasons of 24 episodes.

• 14:52Speaker 03

  So I feel like it's really fun. It's just like, dive in.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:56Speaker 03

  Enjoy, have a good time, and, uh, hop on the train.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  From the time you were a baby.

• 15:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've really been singing my whole life. I really have.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  Cause how old were you on Talang?

• 15:06Speaker 03

  Talang? I was 10.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  10.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's when I'm 28. So it's, it's, it's way more than half of my life ago.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:14Speaker 03

  And that was really the only, and before that, I did like talent shows in malls and outside of malls and in parking lots and on fair, uh, not fairies. Um, sort of, like cruise ships.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  Cruise ships, Ikea parking lots, as we know.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  But then that, that Talang audition, I just wanna keep saying Talang.

• 15:33Speaker 01

  You say it with like a gusto.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Talang.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  Talang.

• 15:36Speaker 02

  Oh, and then there was, there was another Swedish phrase that you were teaching people on, on a video was like, um, Dina kan, uh, Dina kan zost, you lucky cheese.

• 15:47Speaker 03

  Dina kan zost.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  Dina kan zost.

• 15:49Speaker 03

  Well, you're good at this.

• 15:50Speaker 02

  No!

• 15:50Speaker 01

  He's, he's very good at dialects. You know that English is his third language?

• 15:54Speaker 02

  Wait, English is your sixth? Second? I feel like you know. What, what do you know? Swedish, English?

• 16:00Speaker 03

  And, and next year I will be, uh, I will be knowing Spanish.

• 16:04Speaker 02

  Yes!

• 16:04Speaker 03

  So I can read that. What, what was this?

• 16:06Speaker 02

  El especialito.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  Especialito.

• 16:08Speaker 03

  Especialito.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  And I was actually, earlier today, listening to the, sí claro.

• 16:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  I was listening to the B-Day remix with.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 16:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Honestly, I love.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  Like, I love that one. Yeah.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Irreplaceable. What, what is it? Irreplazada?

• 16:31Speaker 03

  Ya no ves, ya no ves.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  Yeah!

• 16:36Speaker 02

  You really are the B daughter. What's that?

• 16:38Speaker 03

  Maybe Spanish album. Next, or like Spanish version of the album. Like, that's cute.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Becca just gassed our producer.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Becca, quit gooning over there. How would you say Midnight Sun in Espanol?

• 16:48Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 16:49Speaker 02

  Becca goon.

• 16:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Midnight? Come on, Becca Ramos.

• 16:56Speaker 03

  Maybe, maybe just like, what is night?

• 16:58Speaker 02

  A doce.

• 16:59Speaker 01

  Night is, uh, noche.

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Noche, yes. So, sol de medianoche.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  Sol de medianoche.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  Ooh, I like that. That's a nice ring to it.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  It's the, the Midnight Sun vocal there, like that being the stim of the year. We're gooning for that.

• 17:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  And when you do make it to the end, you know it's gonna be a good day.

• 17:29Speaker 03

  Oh, wonderful.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  It's, it's a vocal warm-up every morning.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  True, and I engage the chord. And then you're like, posture fixed. That's kinda how it feels.

• 17:38Speaker 01

  But in a real way, though, like, your shows are Olympic vocally in that way, but you are moving a lot. So what's prep for you, like, when, with vocally, are you like, like a sort of Olympian with that or no?

• 17:51Speaker 02

  No?

• 17:52Speaker 03

  I don't do shit.

• 17:52Speaker 02

  You don't do shit? That's not fair.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  I know.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  There's not even a vocal culture around? You're just kind of.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  No air veto for me.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  No air veto for you.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  Period. I love that you're like, oh, you Eric Vitro girls.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  I did used to see him.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's amazing.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, he is. He's wonderful and he's so lovely. But I just, I'm lazy. I think that's what it is. Uh, and I...

• 18:16Speaker 02

  You're not lazy.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  Well...

• 18:18Speaker 01

  You're just, you're just...

• 18:18Speaker 03

  I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  And you know your voice.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  And I love to chill. Like, I love to sit down.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Like, I love to lay down. Actually, I, I, I can't lie. Like, the thought has crossed my mind of like, would it be weird if I lay down on this couch?

• 18:32Speaker 02

  You wanna do it?

• 18:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  I'd do it.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  I want you to be as comfortable as possible.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  Yes, period.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Can we still?

• 18:38Speaker 03

  Like, if I'm like...

• 18:39Speaker 01

  Is she still on camera?

• 18:41Speaker 03

  I'll sit up for you. Fine.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  I love this for you. I love you being like horizontal.

• 18:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I love that.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  This is very Mariah coded.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, I'm into it.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  By the way, if you do want a cup with Mariah on it, we have one for you.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  We have a, we have a Mariah cup.

• 18:55Speaker 03

  Oh, I love that. Thank you. I'll put my water in that. No, but I, um, I feel like my warm-up is, I talk a lot. So it's not like I don't use my voice. I talk a lot and I do, I just sing all day. I sing a lot. And, um, I feel like I sort of warm up throughout the day.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:15Speaker 03

  And then sometimes when I have time, I will go in and join my dancers' warm-up. Cause one of my dancers, she's a Pilates instructor, so she'll do like a 15-minute like stretch and, and strength.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:28Speaker 03

  And then it does make you feel so much better, though. So I'm still young, but like, I wanna do this for a long time. And I think it's, it's more about preserving.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 19:37Speaker 03

  Than, um, like...

• 19:40Speaker 02

  Than like...

• 19:41Speaker 03

  Reaching, you know what I'm saying? Cause I know I can go out and like sing Midnight Sun or like sing all my songs. But I also just wanna like take care of my voice, you know?

• 19:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally.

• 19:51Speaker 03

  But I just, I, I, it's just all I do all the time, every day.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  Right. But I feel like something like, I don't know, I'm, I'm relating to this in some way where it's like, Talang was about like working all the way up to like one performance, right?

• 20:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  And then like that would determine so many things.

• 20:09Speaker 03

  So many things.

• 20:09Speaker 02

  With touring and with performing this album and with like keeping this era going, which I wanna talk about, like, it is about like having multiple turns at bat and like you get to like make it better each time.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  Totally. Yeah, you get to, you get to know the material, so to say.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:25Speaker 03

  Like, I also think it's really scary to perform on TV because usually when you do, the song is, is like now when I have my sing, like singles out and releasing stuff, it's brand new.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:35Speaker 03

  So sometimes the first time I'm performing a song is on TV.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 20:39Speaker 03

  And those three minutes, they count so much, rather than when you do like your one and a half hour show and you do it again and again and again and again. Like, I wish I could perform Midnight Sun on TVs now, after I've been touring it for a year.

• 20:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  But now it's like, oh, old news, whatever, whatever.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  But now I'm like, I know how to sing that. I know how to, you know, where to, to place my feet when I do this step so I can... You, you know what I mean?

• 21:06Speaker 01

  You probably find like an extra inflection in somewhere that you like and you're like, damn, I wish I could've incorporated that like when everyone saw it for the first time.

• 21:12Speaker 03

  Totally, totally.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I get that.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  I think that like you can just do, I mean, it doesn't help, but just to know that you've already done it so many times. You literally started on TV.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  I think that like, and then like the, the Swedish Radio Symphony is like, that is... Like, cause that was televised. And that was, was that live? Or did that...

• 21:33Speaker 03

  Uh, it was live on radio.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 21:35Speaker 03

  And then they televised it later.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  And then you were saying like you couldn't see the conductor or something, or you couldn't tell what the conductor was doing?

• 21:40Speaker 03

  Well, I don't know. If, even if I would've seen him, I wouldn't know what the hell he was doing, like...

• 21:44Speaker 01

  You're like, that's cute for you. I do sometimes look at them and I'm like, people are followers.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, like...

• 21:52Speaker 01

  Lydia Tarr up there.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Wait a minute, wait. But how are you like embodying it?

• 22:00Speaker 03

  No, like, yeah.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Wait, but Zara, people have told you, though, like your facial expressions, like you, you need to do SNL. You need to host Saturday Night Live. Yeah!

• 22:12Speaker 02

  Wait, like, you know how to like switch it on.

• 22:15Speaker 03

  I would love that. That's so fun. Like, let's have more fun.

• 22:18Speaker 02

  Period.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  It's your year this year for that.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And I think like, I, I want people to also know it's amazing when they love my music, but also there's so much to me.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  Wait, tell us more.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Just like...

• 22:34Speaker 01

  That's why I'm running for political office.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  Ooh, me in a parallel universe.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, honestly.

• 22:40Speaker 02

  We would vote for you.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Prime Minister.

• 22:41Speaker 03

  Yes, like I could see myself going to politics, like when I'm 50.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Actually?

• 22:45Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  In Sweden or here?

• 22:48Speaker 03

  I think probably in Sweden, but who knows? Who knows?

• 22:51Speaker 01

  I can see that.

• 22:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, and like, let's, let's, um, like, like a singing Mamdani, can you imagine? Like, someone who is just for the people.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  Agree.

• 23:03Speaker 03

  And who just does good things.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  So then how, so when you're 50, that's in 22 years, so 22 plus 26, uh, 2048. Puss Puss 48? Puss Puss 48 is, is the campaign slogan.

• 23:15Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Puss 48.

• 23:18Speaker 03

  I would, I would, I would vote for that.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  I came up with a drag name and anyone can use it. Puss Notification.

• 23:28Speaker 03

  Oh, that's good.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  That's pretty good. Like, ooh, check my puss notifications. It's still on fire.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  Like a lagoon.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  Wait, oh, my vocal stem is Eli saying, hey, Zara, you wanna go on a date, get some food? Get some food?

• 23:44Speaker 03

  Get some food? Oh, I love that.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  We love Eli.

• 23:47Speaker 02

  We love Eli. Journal of a doll.

• 23:49Speaker 03

  I know. She's so amazing.

• 23:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's amazing. She's gonna open up for me, uh, on my The Greek show.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  Oh, amazing.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  Which I'm so excited about.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  Oh, you and The Greek is gonna be everything.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  And it's, it's me and Eli's face and it's like, Zara, where are we? We're on the t-shirt.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  We're in the song. We're in the song.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  On the t-shirt is amazing.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love it. I'll send you, I'll send you both some.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  Fabulous.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Oh, so, hey, guys, goon, AKA write this down. At the end, we have to do a social media, which is, where are we? We're on the podcast.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  It's gonna get...

• 24:30Speaker 01

  Make sure that we goon later.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  It's gonna get 20 live. Those are our numbers. Okay, it's time to ask Zara the question.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  Yes. Okay, Zara Larson, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? This is something that came into your life and you were like, oh, I can start becoming more myself once I get into this.

• 24:48Speaker 03

  So something that really shaped me as a teenager, a young, a young, not a woman yet, a girl, was We Hearted. And I bring that up sometimes and people don't know what I'm talking about. And I'm like, this was huge for me. Like, this was, this was like the calm era where people were on Tumblr. I was on We Hearted. People were looking at like, I think Tumblr was giving very much like...

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Relentless. Like, you're, you're doing this because...

• 25:21Speaker 03

  This is, this is like, like just a blowjob on your timeline. Did you guys have that?

• 25:26Speaker 01

  No.

• 25:26Speaker 02

  Like, you mean literally like you would see like porn on your timeline?

• 25:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Yes. Yes, I did.

• 25:31Speaker 03

  Speaking of gooning.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  Speaking of gooning.

• 25:33Speaker 03

  It was something like that and it was like more like cush wisdoms.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  Do you know what that was?

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Was that a Tumblr?

• 25:40Speaker 03

  It's like, yeah, it's like Friday is my second favorite F-word.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  Like, it was like quotes.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  Or like, we're young, dumb and free.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:51Speaker 03

  Well, We Hearted would have like just girly things. And then that would be like when you match your outfit with your favorite shoe.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  When I'm sleeping over with my, with my best friend.

• 26:02Speaker 03

  Yes, and like when, yes. And like when you find the favorite song for the moment. That's like just girly things. Sometimes it would be like, the, the, the whole picture would just be like, the, the quote would be like glitter.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. I love, I love people that think they get it, but they get it wrong. Like, didn't even have to brush my teeth today.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Haven't slept in a week.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  But We Hearted was also like...

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Hair falling out?

• 26:31Speaker 02

  We, We Hearted was like Pinterest, though.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  Pinterest? Yes, but, but, but, yeah, the early version of Pinterest. It's like a rose, but it's covered in gold. And it's pastel. And like a picture of the Eiffel Tower, but it's like taken, taken... Imagine like I'm holding up rose-colored glasses and I'm taking the picture on the colored glasses and the Eiffel Tower is like in the background.

• 26:59Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  See, I love that.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  And like some latte foam art.

• 27:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  It's like fairy lights and, and the pumpkin spice latte. Like, it's like a Victoria's Secret bag and an Abercrombie bag.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 27:10Speaker 03

  You know? Like, that, that raised me.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  And that literally has just happened with the dolphin and the I Am Depressed.

• 27:17Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  That's kind of the same thing.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  Yes. But like, I think the dolphin is, is edgier than We Hearted. Like, We Hearted was really...

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, more vague than I Am Depressed.

• 27:30Speaker 03

  Yes. No, you would never be depressed on, on We Hearted. You'd be like, when it's raining outside and I'm sad, maybe. But depressed, you're going too far.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  And also, you being sad is kinda like...

• 27:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, like staring out the window. When I'm staring out the window, listening to Twilight.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  But why are dolphins too edgy for We Hearted, for just girly things?

• 27:52Speaker 03

  It's too colorful. It's too, um, yeah, no, We Hearted is like pastel.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  And pink.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  Pink, lavender, like...

• 28:01Speaker 02

  Lilac.

• 28:02Speaker 03

  Lilac, but it is a, um, a prehistoric mother to the dolphin, I would say.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Yes, of course.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  It like developed into that, I think.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  It's funny because like that idea, though, of the two kind of like things that don't interact, but making perfect sense.

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Yes. And it is like taking a quote, putting it on a picture. Those things, that is the dolphin meme.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  You know?

• 28:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. It is like, it birthed it. And like, it makes total sense that this is what raised you. I guess We Hearted might be more of a European thing.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  Maybe, maybe.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  But I feel like...

• 28:34Speaker 03

  Because it is Tumblr.

• 28:36Speaker 02

  It's Tumblr.

• 28:36Speaker 03

  But it also had a very specific, like, niche or look.

• 28:42Speaker 01

  Like, sort of like that's kind of like delicate, like prep, like not preppy, but like, but you know what I mean?

• 28:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  It does feel like, like Abercrombie flavor, you know what I mean?

• 28:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:52Speaker 02

  And was it true that there was no comment section?

• 28:55Speaker 03

  No comment section.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  So no bullying?

• 28:57Speaker 03

  None. Yeah, yes. That's true, actually. It is sort of like Pinterest. Yeah, yeah.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  There you go. I feel that, I feel that, like, like that all goes into your, your world now, in a way, right?

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Just positivity. Like, you would just go there to like...

• 29:14Speaker 03

  Feel fuzzy.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  And yourself.

• 29:16Speaker 03

  And be, yeah, and be inspired to make my bed and like buy a nice pillow to put, to put, you know?

• 29:23Speaker 01

  I know.

• 29:24Speaker 03

  Like have a blanket on my bed. Like that's We Hearted.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  It's like, what's missing here? Oh, some fuzz.

• 29:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, some fuzz, like fuzzy socks.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 29:34Speaker 03

  Like, I'm like, how do I want to elevate my life? Let's go into We Hearted and have a look. That really did a lot for me.

• 29:40Speaker 02

  Of course, because were you like building, like, were you, were you collecting images to like represent who you were at the time or did you want?

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Maybe who I wanted to be.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  I was gonna ask, or was it who you wanted to be?

• 29:50Speaker 03

  It's like aspirational, but I think it really shaped my, my, my early Instagram years. Yeah. And that's also the, the, the time where you would have a frame on Instagram. And, uh, yeah, no, I was really trying to make it on We Hearted.

• 30:06Speaker 02

  What did making it look like?

• 30:08Speaker 03

  Just having like someone taking my picture from Instagram and putting it on We Hearted and it would like live there and, because you would see, it's sort of like Pinterest or Tumblr where you would see something making numbers. And you'd be like, oh, that's popping off on, on We Hearted.

• 30:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  And, and what, what they thought about it was their business, but you knew they were engaging with it.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  So that is something that I think I miss is like, I would love to know that everyone's listening, but then when everyone says what they think, or at least a sampling of people are saying what they think and it's not necessarily representative.

• 30:42Speaker 03

  You just want the numbers.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, because it can be confusing as someone who's trying to cultivate their aesthetic and their image for other people to come up with their opinions because then the, even if you aren't entertaining it at all, it still exists that you could.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  I think I did this a lot with, uh, this is like the aesthetic of it and this is the opinions and the comments. Cause I used to run my blog like the fucking Navy.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 03

  And I used to, you know, go in and post my opinions on things and I used to fight with people in the comments. And then I used to take a comment that someone wrote and I used to write a whole nother blog post about it.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:20Speaker 03

  And it like, that was my sort of, actually, I think I would have lived a beautiful life on Tumblr, but I didn't really know about it until, until later when it wasn't really cool anymore. You know how it like had a dip like that?

• 31:32Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 31:33Speaker 03

  And then, uh, I just was very into my blog at that point.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:37Speaker 03

  And I just felt like if you come, if you want to come and watch me write my opinions and if you want to have an opinion, come to my blog.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Yes, come to me.

• 31:46Speaker 03

  Like.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  That's a huge difference now.

• 31:47Speaker 03

  Pay my bills, you know?

• 31:48Speaker 02

  Pay my bills.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  Like I have ads.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  I have ads and you can engage with me then. And thank you.

• 31:54Speaker 03

  And thank you.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  I'll take this bullshit with a side of money.

• 31:57Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Cause you would, yeah, come to me is different now where everything algorithmically, algorithmically gets served to people.

• 32:05Speaker 03

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• 35:52Speaker 01

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• 37:34Speaker 02

  New episodes every Tuesday, sponsored by Healthy Sexual from Gillette Sciences. Okay, and this, I don't know if this is related, but it's like, I like this We Hearted thing and I feel like there's something there because it's like, it's like when YouTube took away the dislike button.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 37:47Speaker 02

  I think that did good things personally. I think like, I don't know, the only thing I can do.

• 37:52Speaker 03

  I agree, because you can still sort of tell.

• 37:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  When something is positively received or not, because you can sort of compare it to the views versus the likes.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 38:01Speaker 03

  And then you know, like if something is really popular in numbers, but not that many people liked it, like that's enough. I don't need to see how many people disliked it.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're engaging. It's like, also like when you see the shares are crazy and the likes are really low. It's like, what are they saying?

• 38:17Speaker 02

  The ratio, of course.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Ratioing, oh my God. I miss when that was something.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  Bring back like.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  Bring back positivity.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  Positivity, yeah.

• 38:28Speaker 01

  There's actually something that I have been meaning to say to you since you came in here. And I don't know if you heard that I said this, but are you aware of the cultural powerhouse Jimmy Buffett?

• 38:38Speaker 01

  So Jimmy Buffett is basically a lifestyle cultural icon here in America.

• 38:43Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  Where his whole thing is like beers on boats and like smoking a blunt and like tailgating. And he has a song in a resort called Margaritaville, which is basically like.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  I like Margaritaville.

• 38:54Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. So I think that you could be our answer to Jimmy Buffett. I think you could have a resort.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  Really?

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Yes, because you, I think your aesthetic is one that I would want to pay for six days, seven nights vacation.

• 39:07Speaker 03

  Like all inclusive.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  Literally. I think that you.

• 39:09Speaker 03

  Like in the pool, dolphins.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Chris Goon. Because I'm telling you, there's a billion dollar franchise here. Jimmy Buffett coded.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  I'm telling you, and I want you to kind of, I want you to listen to the album Songs You Know By Heart, which is his greatest hits album.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Is it covers or is it his?

• 39:26Speaker 01

  It's original music.

• 39:27Speaker 02

  It's original.

• 39:27Speaker 03

  I love that it's called that. Songs You Know By Heart.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  So basically it's like, he had.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  He had a couple of big hits. There was one song called Come Monday, which was a hit. And Margaritaville is like the big, it goes, come Monday, it'll be alright. Come Monday, I'll be holding you tight. I spent four lonely days in a brown early haze and I just want you back by my side.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  That's beautiful.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  It's really good. And he's got wasting away again in Margaritaville.

• 39:58Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  And then Cheeseburger in Paradise. So it's all.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  Cheeseburger in Paradise. No.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  No, we're not.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  We are not making Jimmy Buffett up.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  And his, his aesthetic is vacation, hammocks, palm trees. Like it's very midnight sun.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  Parrot heads.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  Parrot heads.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  Okay, I need to get into this.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  You have to. I'm telling you, I can't. This is a huge moment in culture.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Margaritaville is in Times Square. You can dip down.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  Cause I have been to Margaritaville. That's why I was like, oh, I love Margaritaville. Like I've been, I've been to the one in Jamaica, first of all. Like I'm international like that.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  So they probably do it right.

• 40:34Speaker 03

  Oh, he's a legend. I've heard it. Yes.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  Orlando.

• 40:37Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Now Times Square, there was one in Tahoe.

• 40:44Speaker 03

  That's amazing. Okay, Jimmy Buffett?

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Yes, I think if you were to like, if you were to open up a restaurant called like Euro Summer or whatever, like it would be huge.

• 40:55Speaker 03

  Okay, thank you so much.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  Thank you so much.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  But I literally was like, because I do believe that you, what's the coolest thing about you, which is actually relates to a lot of ways, the culture that made us, say, culture was for us, is we always love like immersive worlds. And I feel like there is something very immersive about everything about what you're giving. And even the way you're talking about, you know, we heart it, such as creating a little world that you can go live in. Because I find that a lot of people, when they answer this question, they end up saying something very real about the artist they are right now. And there's something about that world creation, that community that you build, which is about positivity and light and fun and humor.

• 41:40Speaker 03

  Feeling good and like feeling like, yeah, community in a way.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. Okay, love that.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  Eiffel Tower, what is it? Eiffel Tower Glass, Rose Glass?

• 41:49Speaker 03

  Eiffel Tower, yeah, Eiffel Tower in the back, rose glasses in the forefront, picture through. Like, that's romantic.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  And I agree. And I think you could walk into that, into your restaurant.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  Oh, love. Maybe you can have different photo ops.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  Before you, okay. And then, yeah, maybe like, gold cruise ship.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  Oh, just one applause.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Chris Goon. I do.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  Oh, he's typing.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  I do. And I literally don't think I'm not looking over there and I've seen him typing the whole time. At least a pop-up.

• 42:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Because I do think the idea of it is too good.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  Like, yeah, you could like really make cruises.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  Can I ask you something? Sorry to interrupt.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  No, please.

• 42:36Speaker 03

  Is the, is the, was the song before the place or was the restaurant before the song?

• 42:43Speaker 01

  So the fandom that was popped off because of him, created the opportunity to make this type of resort. So he had such an intense, he actually passed away a few years ago and it was like, I had to call my dad, my dad was pouring one out at the beach. Literally, it's a culture. He said, I'm pouring one out for Jimmy. And I feel like this was, it was really a movement, not a moment. It was decades of intense fandom that became, it was really a state of mind.

• 43:11Speaker 03

  It really is.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:12Speaker 03

  Like, anything is possible.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. Especially when you drink all the margaritas.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  But you're asking, was Margaritaville, Margaritaville was a song first?

• 43:21Speaker 01

  It was a song first. So basically, like, it would be as if.

• 43:25Speaker 03

  And then he was like, actually, that could be a real place.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. So if you have any ideas for songs that are places, just know it could be real.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:38Speaker 03

  I'll think about that. Thank you.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  It's like Dollywood, you know what I mean? Like Dolly Parton made her theme park in her image, you know?

• 43:44Speaker 02

  I think if you do, if you did the cruise, like the Euro Summer cruise, I think you could really make.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  Theme park is fun.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  Theme park, but you could like really make cruises for Gen Z a thing. Gen Z isn't going on cruises. Then you do the theme park, then it's Puss Puss 48.

• 43:59Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Okay, there we have it.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  That's the plan.

• 44:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  There's enough there to start.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:05Speaker 03

  I would say so.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Now we just have to pick a place. Would it be in Sweden, I think?

• 44:09Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, like flagship Sweden, probably. But also, very non-tropical place. And I did say Orlando, ooh, because I love Orlando.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, we love Orlando too.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  You do?

• 44:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:21Speaker 03

  I fucking love Orlando. Like, there's something.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  Tell us your favorite things about it.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  Honestly, the nature.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  Wait a minute, because we went on the safari at Disney World Animal Kingdom and we saw the most amazing animals.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  You have never seen, you've never seen giraffes so close. Or maybe you have.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  I have. I have. I've seen them in the wild.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  She's like, honey, I've seen them. I've seen them. Wait, the nature, like, you love the humidity?

• 44:50Speaker 03

  I love the humidity. I love the, what's it called? The Everglades?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  I love the big leaves. I love the trees. I love the, I even love the insects. I love to feel like, there's something that happens in my soul whenever I reach Florida, that is just like, I come alive.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Something in my soul whenever I reach Florida, I come alive.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  It's true.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  You're not one of those girls, you're not one of those girls who hates bugs. Cause.

• 45:19Speaker 03

  No, I'm not really bothered. The only thing I'm like, please go away is the mosquitoes.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  Oh, of course.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  Well, they're horrible. And they're only out for, they have bad intentions.

• 45:27Speaker 03

  They do. They do. And they're all girls. Did you know that?

• 45:31Speaker 01

  What?

• 45:32Speaker 02

  I thought the bees were, no, wait, no, they're all girls? I thought that was Jurassic Park. Wait, tell us. Teach us.

• 45:38Speaker 03

  No, the only ones that suck are the girls.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  The only ones that suck.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  The way you, that, the only ones that suck are the girls.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  It's true. The guys just like, go to the flowers.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  The guys go to the flowers.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Because they have one thing on their mind, like all other men.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Puss Puss.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  Puss Puss notification.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  I think, Zara, this is why I think people are really also like getting into you is because like, I think in interviews, your speaking voice is really addictive.

• 46:10Speaker 03

  Really?

• 46:10Speaker 02

  The way you said it, it's the girls that suck. Like, you really push, you push it on the right vowels and consonants.

• 46:17Speaker 03

  Okay. It's just something that happens naturally.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's a recording artist thing, I bet. Honestly.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe. Yeah. But that's funny you say that. I really appreciate that because I think, um, doing interviews and like talking on stage, I've always been very aware of my talking voice, which I don't think is as fun or like, yeah, I don't, I don't love my talking voice. I think it's because, you know, when you talk yourself?

• 46:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:44Speaker 03

  You feel the bass more in your body. And then when I hear it, I'm like.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  Where'd that bass go?

• 46:50Speaker 03

  Where'd that bass go? Like, yeah.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  I can't hear my snare.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  Where's the depth?

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Where is my snare?

• 46:57Speaker 02

  Turn down my mid.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a lot of trouble.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  It's a lot of trouble.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  I never thought of it like that. But do you think it's just because you're creating the sound, you can literally?

• 47:05Speaker 03

  It's like a resonance.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 47:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, like in my body. Uh, but, but thank you.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  This is why you need an aeropero.

• 47:13Speaker 03

  Where is my bass?

• 47:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:16Speaker 03

  But I think actually, he would probably say, like, you should speak like this.

• 47:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  To save your voice.

• 47:20Speaker 02

  I know. To be like Ari.

• 47:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:24Speaker 03

  Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here. What if we switch it up right now and just start talking like this?

• 47:30Speaker 01

  See, honestly, you're ready for All Things Go.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  You're ready.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  You mentioned Mom Donnie earlier and he did, so we're recording this before All Things Go is scheduled to happen. He did warn of the nor'easter. And we told you what that was, which was a big storm. But you are.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  I had no idea.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  You are galvanized by that. You want to perform in the storm.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I think, like I told you guys before we started recording, weirdly enough, it has been some really rainy days, but on almost all the shows, the clouds clear. And that makes me believe in magic. That makes me believe in like.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  Witchcraft.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  The witchcraft of, of coming together with a large group of people and like sending out the energy to the universe of like, we want sun, we want sun, we want sun. And then the clouds are like, fine. And then they part.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  Hey, everybody, this is Matt and I just wanted to update everyone that despite the witchcraft and the chanting, All Things Go was canceled. Very disappointing. Um, Mom Donnie was right. What can I say? He's good. Anyway, back to Zara. So for all the artists out there who are performing in the rain, you are not putting out the right energy.

• 48:40Speaker 02

  There's no community at your show.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Simply change your energy and get some community, for Christ's sake.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  We heart it, energy.

• 48:48Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 48:49Speaker 02

  Wait, do you need to go to the bathroom?

• 48:50Speaker 03

  When the cloud, when the cloud parts.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 48:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do actually. Thank you for telling me. And I also have to call my sister because she's, well, I'm buying an apartment for her today. So I'm gonna sign the papers.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. Oh.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm landlord-ing her.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  You're landlord-ing her? Okay, good big sis. Oh, my God.

• 49:07Speaker 03

  I'll be right back.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, come right back. Yeah. She's just gotta make a quick, uh, quick trip out. So we will just keep doing the episode for right now.

• 49:15Speaker 02

  Um, well, I'm having a blast.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, I'm addicted to her. I told you that, and I really needed this because I was having a bad morning.

• 49:21Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 49:22Speaker 01

  Last night, um, so we're gonna keep going, you guys, by the way. Um, I was telling Bowen this. Last night, Melissa and I were having, um, dinner on the street outside, or we're having lunch, because we were about to go see Just in Time, the Broadway musical, because Ariana Maddox is coming on the show in a few weeks. And.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  Love, love that.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  A man came up to me and Melissa and threw a bottle of Gatorade on us. Lemon lime. And then we had.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  Oh, lemon lime is kind of the worst flavor.

• 49:53Speaker 01

  And then we got to the point where it was like, what flavor would we rather be covered in?

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Blue ice or whatever.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Blue ice.

• 50:02Speaker 02

  Blizzard, blue blizzard, whatever it is.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  Because I would say lemon lime is the most annoying flavor.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  Uh, do they still do fruit punch?

• 50:11Speaker 01

  I, they do. Okay, so someone was gooning for, uh.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Dan was gooning for fruit punch.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  Um, I, no, I have a bad memory. Well, first of all, I'm so sorry that happened.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  It's okay. It honestly, it was really, really jarring to the point where I was like, because it was like, he then just walked away after he did it. And I was just like, oh, okay, I guess that's how that goes. You know, you kind of, there's nothing to be done about this situation. Someone just did something completely insane that hurt us. But the good news is Just in Time was wonderful. We just smelled like lemon lime.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  You just smelled like lemon lime. Oh, but thank God he didn't smell like fruit punch. That's the only thing that would have been worse.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  So then this happened. And I'm just gonna be candid about this. So we're covered in lemon lime, mostly Melissa, which I felt really bummed about. And she was a little shaken up about it. So we go into Just in Time, we say, it's okay, we're just gonna sit down and whatever. We sit down and of course, the house manager comes over and goes.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Do you want to be dancing?

• 51:05Speaker 01

  Hey! And I'm like, is Jeremy Jordan gonna come over and twirl me? And they go, how did you know? I was like, it just seems like what would happen on the day where I'm covered in lemon lime.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  And also, so, so me and Melissa switched so that I could be in the chair. And that's when I realized, and this is where I'm gonna be really vulnerable. You ever go to the urinal and pee, and then all of a sudden you pull, you pull back and you see you got a little bit on your jeans?

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Oh, it happens all the time. But then, but urine dries fast.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  Urine dries pretty fast, but it does, and I want to just give a face to this phenomenon. It happened to me. And then they were like, Jeremy's coming over during the first number to spin you.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  You had piss and lemon lime all over you? Oh, no. Over that, that hottie Jeremy, when that hottie Jeremy comes over?

• 51:49Speaker 01

  He comes over and he's so, he's so gorgeous and so talented. And he's like, when the shark bites, dance with me. And I'm like, aye, and I do. And he doesn't know I have piss on me.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  You didn't, and he shows them piss yellows. Yes.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Have you seen Just in Time?

• 52:08Speaker 02

  I've not seen Just in Time.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  Oh, it's good.

• 52:10Speaker 02

  I love that setup. I want to be in one of those, one of those tables.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  The, the what? The, um, the like theater in the, what's it called? Circle in the Square?

• 52:16Speaker 02

  Circle in the Square.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  Best theater, I think.

• 52:18Speaker 02

  I love it. I love it there.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  So I'm covered in piss and lemon lime. Melissa's upset. Jeremy's slaying. Ariana was great.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  Carrie St. Louis is in it.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  I love Carrie St. Louis.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  Oh my god. But see, that's, that's balance for you. That's, that is the, um, that is antithesis. It is both, it is lemon lime Gatorade and piss and also, you know, talent at Circle in the Square.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  You know, all of it was great. And I also just want to shout out to Michael, our, our waiter at Pacora Bianca, who stood in front of us and essentially was our security from the person coming around to, to, I guess, drive by Gatorade us.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  Um, he really took it in the back and butt.

• 52:59Speaker 02

  Michael.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  He took it in the back and butt, Michael.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  That's all you want.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  And he said, I am so sorry this happened. I said,

• 53:07Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 53:09Speaker 01

  It's the first ever costume change in Lost Culture Street.

• 53:13Speaker 02

  Everybody clap in the spaghetti strap. Way in the choker.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  You didn't buy a house at all. You just wanted to go change.

• 53:22Speaker 03

  I did both.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  You did both.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  Wait a minute. Tell us about, oh my god.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  So this is a history in the making and that's why you get a set, okay? Because then things like this happen. We are gooning.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  We're gooning for you.

• 53:39Speaker 03

  Oh my god, thank you. That's the best.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  For me, it's like not just the fact that you're gooning, it's that it's always a little bit like surprised, like,

• 53:50Speaker 01

  it's like, I didn't think I'd be gooning now. I thought that was in 15 minutes. I penciled it in. Oh my god, you look amazing. I love the choker.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Hmm. I thought that was like the theme, you know? It's a story to this.

• 54:01Speaker 02

  It's a story.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  First a silver choker, now this.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  I love an, I love a statement piece.

• 54:08Speaker 03

  You know?

• 54:08Speaker 01

  Necklace.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  We need to bring back grandeur in terms of neckwear.

• 54:13Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. You could be the one.

• 54:15Speaker 02

  You could be the one.

• 54:16Speaker 03

  I'll, I'll do my best.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  We're, we're, we're just, we're just giving you, you know, idea starters, thought starters.

• 54:21Speaker 03

  Like in general?

• 54:22Speaker 02

  In general.

• 54:22Speaker 03

  Oh, you, you guys. Okay, thank you. Yes, no, for real. I'm so thankful to be here.

• 54:26Speaker 02

  The resort.

• 54:26Speaker 03

  Like, we have a lot to get into after this, after this hour.

• 54:29Speaker 01

  No, and honestly, we, I, I see a hu, I see it being huge. I, I'm so serious. Like, we have to figure out a name for it, though.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  Oh, you, you're in, you're in on it?

• 54:38Speaker 01

  No, no, we don't have to. We don't have to.

• 54:41Speaker 03

  No, no, no, I think we should. It could be fun.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  He just likes to say no to money.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  My, one thing about my sister, she's been saying no to money.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  Look.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  This is a billion dollars.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  No, no, no. Euro summer or, I don't know, midnight?

• 54:55Speaker 03

  But you know what? It's also things that are coming in the future. Like, I'm, I'm gonna be working on the next album. So it's nice to have that in my thought to bring to, you know, Eminem, EK and Helena and Margo that I work with. And I'm like, guys, we have to make a song that could be branded into a multi-billion dollar

• 55:13Speaker 01

  Resort.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  Hotel, resort, cruise.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  Whatever, whatever else.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  I'm happy that you're open to the idea. I thought you would be.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  And so I was confident pitching it to you, but I've been, I've been on this now for like six weeks. I really have. I've been like, I know it's gonna happen.

• 55:30Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  It's gonna happen. But you're, you just referenced the next album. But we wanted to ask, like, is, I think this, this era is also indelible and strong enough that it could just be like, it could just be ongoing if you wanted it to be.

• 55:49Speaker 03

  Totally. I know what my next era is gonna be.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  And, um, it's definitely not a 180, you know? Next time I won't be showing up here in full leather.

• 55:58Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  It will be like fun and joyful and happiness and colors, but like elevated and re-refined. You know what I mean? I have a name for it. I know what I want. But I do think where we at right now, I'm not done with the Midnight Sun era. Blue Moon music video coming out.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  I heard we're gonna see it.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  It's not finished right now, mind you. It's sort of like Midnight Sun where there's a lot of things that needs to be done in the editing.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  Of things and like VFX and stuff like that. And, and it's sort of like a fantasy. It's like Midnight Sun, but nighttime with a bigger budget. And it's super, it's super amazing. And I feel like Blue Moon just deserves so much love and attention and, and energy given to it. And I feel like no one would really do it but me. Cause it's not, it's not organically like popping off right now. Like, I have to look at that and say, I believe in this song. I want to make a video for it. Like, I want to go out and promote it. My label aren't gonna be like, look at the numbers. Like, we really need to push this.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is the one.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  But I, yeah, like, I just believe in it. And I believe it can be the one. And there's other songs from the album that I also believe in that are so amazing.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 57:15Speaker 03

  And deserves, cause Midnight Sun is like one of my favorite songs that I've ever done.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:19Speaker 03

  And I think I'm so.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  Kind of a classic at this point.

• 57:22Speaker 03

  I'm so happy that it's really connecting with people, but there's so many other songs on Midnight Sun, the album, that people hasn't like tapped into the way they should. Like they have with Midnight Sun.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:32Speaker 03

  So.

• 57:33Speaker 02

  Uh, I'm gonna name a few and just let me know. Hot and Sexy, do you feel like people have?

• 57:38Speaker 03

  No, like, I feel like they're sleeping on every single song except for Midnight Sun. So that's why I'm like, let's get, let's get back into the album.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Let's get back into the album.

• 57:46Speaker 03

  You like Midnight Sun? Let's check out the rest.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  Hot and Sexy, one of my favorites. Euro Summer, I love.

• 57:52Speaker 02

  I love Euro Summer.

• 57:53Speaker 03

  Saturn's Return, it's like.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  Saturn's Return, I, I love Saturn's Return.

• 57:56Speaker 03

  Puss Puss.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  Puss Puss.

• 57:58Speaker 01

  Also, I know, I know this one did pop off, but like, I was so, when I first heard Pretty Ugly, that's when I was like, oh, this is a way I haven't even heard you use your voice before. Like, that was like, and that's to me, like,

• 58:11Speaker 03

  That pops off live.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  The velocity in that song is so crazy. I'm sure it does pop off live.

• 58:16Speaker 03

  It does. It makes people really excited. It's such a, an anthem. It's so shouty and loud and unapologetic and just in your face.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  If we heart it, gave it, gave everyone permission to like pop the fuck off. Like, we are cute girls, but you've never seen a pretty girl

• 58:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Stop hearting it.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 58:37Speaker 02

  Cause I feel like, I feel like the Midnight Sun video is very we heart it. It's like, like the words popping up, like believe, you know, like all these things.

• 58:43Speaker 03

  Totally. Very.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  And Hot and Sexy is a cousin to Pretty Ugly because I feel like this song just by sex and breaks off into this totally different thing that, and, but the whole song in itself is about girlhood and about how like, I can be hot and sexy and empowered, but why the fuck do men keep fucking shit up for us?

• 59:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:00Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 59:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, totally. It's so annoying.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  I, but like, I was, I was in a car in LA, like, the moment the album dropped, I was in a car in LA, I was listening to it. It was like midnight. And then I play Hot and Sexy, I was like, no fucking way. I texted this one, cause, cause me, cause we quote, we quote that New York thing all the time.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  We have, we have a coffee mug that says the whole.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  The whole monologue.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Monologue.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  The whole monologue. She's one of our best.

• 59:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:26Speaker 02

  Didn't she, wait, did she, did she come to a concert?

• 59:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 59:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  And she like, did she recite it? Or no, but you, you just played the whole thing. You played the whole thing before.

• 59:35Speaker 03

  I used to play it like before every show. There used to be like the segment that would led me in, that led me into the song.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Everyone off book in the crowd.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Pretty much I was like, Gemma, no.

• 59:47Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 59:52Speaker 03

  No, I love it. I love it.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  So then I think that this Blue Moon video, because you're putting the intention behind it, like, I think it could be a really special moment.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  I hope so.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  Can we watch it?

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Chris is about to goon.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Come on, goon Chris.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  Come on, Chris, goon.

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  Go on, Chris. And mind you again, this is like Rafiana.

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  I already love it. Oh my god. Oh my god. I love it already.

• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, we're not, we're not gonna comment on it. I mean, we'll just, we'll react.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, watch it. But like, there's so much that needs to be done. That's why I'm excited for you to see this now.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:00:23Speaker 03

  And then see like the final result when it comes out. Yeah. But it's cute. It's cute.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  All right, here we go.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  Okay, enjoy.

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  Okay, fabulous.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  I'm so excited.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  Beautiful underneath the stars. We can sing it, cause the song is.

• 1:00:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, sing.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  This is giving Florida.

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  That was literally the inspiration.

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  It's fun to guess, like.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  I love that, Anora.

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  How?

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  Just in this.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  In this. Oh, my god.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  Oh, the heart.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  The heart.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  That's exactly.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  Yes, it's so good. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Ah!

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  Yes! It's an iconic hair video.

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Oh, my god! It's giving Kylie Minogue in Moulin Rouge.

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  One of the greatest animals you could ever have in a video is in this.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  There's an amazing animal.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  Yes!

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that bottom.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  There's different hair moments.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  Oh, my god!

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  Yes, wait.

• 1:01:38Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  Yes!

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  Wow!

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  It's so great.

• 1:01:48Speaker 03

  It's gonna be amazing.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  It's really so.

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  I'm so excited.

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  I know we can't say much, but is it just kind of more effects like similar to the ones that are built through?

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  The one where I'm like doing a cartwheel and stuff.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  Like, that is... Like, where I'm sitting, watching, like, everything is just gonna get, like...

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  It's in the right perspective.

• 1:02:09Speaker 03

  You know, and then it's like, oh, you entered that world, and then you like entered that, and, and yes, like, the glitter and everything that's like cut out, like, it's just gonna be seamless and beautiful and sort of like, yeah, like Midnight Sun where it's like, there's a text coming up, or there's like a... It's, I'm gonna have, um... You...

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  Gooning.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  Gooning on the mic.

• 1:02:31Speaker 03

  Gooning on the mic.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Hey!

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  One, two, three. It was, uh... Yeah, it's, it's, uh, I can't wait for you to like watch, I can't say too much because then I feel like I'm spoiling it.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:40Speaker 03

  But essentially, like, it's what it is, and it's just gonna be that, but amazing and better.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  I love that it's just you, too.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I wanted to do that. And I feel like I didn't need, especially on this air, because it really, do, do you understand when I say it's sort of like Midnight Sun, but like her sister?

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  And it's just me, and it's sort of what the, that, um, world was to me. And it's very Florida.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  That was the inspiration.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  Extremely Florida. Where did you shoot that?

• 1:03:09Speaker 03

  L.A.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  In L.A.

• 1:03:10Speaker 02

  The Florida of the West Coast.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  You, I mean, that's...

• 1:03:13Speaker 03

  As we all know.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  As we all know.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  Hollywood was Hollywood-ing because it really did, it was, I was thinking the whole time, I was like, is this Tallahassee?

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  No, I really felt like a star, because I pulled up to set and I was like, wow, this is really a set. Like, they have really made this, there's all these different, uh, scenes that we're doing, and it's all the lights that were there and all the extra things, and it was, I really felt like, shit, this is expensive.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, speak on that for a second, it's like, what's been the change that you've noticed in the past like couple of years with that, just showing up and being treated like you're on another level, like, what's your experience with that, if that's the experience?

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  I don't think, I don't think so, I don't think there's a big difference, uh, at least not to me internally.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  But one of the things that I feel like have changed for the, the past year is that I've just decided to sort of invest in myself and my videos and my live shows, because even the Midnight Sun tour, it's, it's like four different shows that we've done, with that, we, we did the U.S. theater shows, and they were much smaller and basically no production, and then we have done the European, um, arenas, which were like more production and it had like an overhead thing going on and a huge like installation of a sun. Then we've done the festival set, which is a completely different set in 2D, and then we've done like, and all these things have just led me to really just invest in the best show that I can give people for whatever setting it is.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  And, um, I think that have given me so many more fans, there's so many people that also sort of trust, I hope when people see this, this music video, it's gonna make them feel like we're in the world, but we have evolved a bit, and I, and I can trust her in that evolution. And like, whatever comes next, like, I, I wanna build that trust with the listeners and the people who are watching it to know like, you're in good hands, and come with me on this journey, and I will show you great things, and we can create great things. Because I really just wanna be more creative, and

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  my dream is to have a full-on arena tour where I can really have an amazing production and, and go wherever I'm at and have the same, like, the stage and just everything that I've dreamed of to, to really entertain and like do that as, as well as I can possibly do. I, I just can't wait for that.

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• 1:11:21Speaker 01

  That first flop, how'd you feel?

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  Like, it's so interesting, because it's like, your songs had billions of streams.

• 1:11:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:11:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  Yet there's still this dissonance where you were, you know...

• 1:11:31Speaker 03

  But I feel like it was the reality for me, I feel like people knew my songs.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:11:36Speaker 03

  And they knew, you know, but they didn't know who I was.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 1:11:41Speaker 03

  Some people did.

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:11:42Speaker 03

  But the general, you know, the GP, the general public of it all, was sort of not tapped into, to me as a person, or knew more about the artist who was singing Symphony, or who was singing Never Forget You or Lush Life and Ruin My Life, and I think that has always sort of been the goal to... To make people see me as an artist.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:05Speaker 03

  And now with this album, I definitely succeeded because it's always, I feel the talent's been there, but it's something with the creative like direction. Or I think a big part of it was also the fact that I got into this industry being so, so young. Almost too young now in hindsight because I was paired with these amazing creative people who were choreographers or directors or writers. And at 14, you're sort of like, whatever, like you're the professionals, you know? It's that authoritarian, like even if no one made me feel small, it's just a natural thing that happens dynamically, like in a room.

• 1:12:47Speaker 03

  So I think it was hard for me to, to be creative and sort of plant my creative seed myself and not have anyone else sort of do that for me when I was that young. And then it just went into this machine of, okay, well, and I got really successful. And I'm thankful for the people I work with. They really let me, um, they encouraged me to speak my mind. It was just hard to, to really know what it was that I wanted. And even though I said like, I love this song, I don't want to do this song, I love this song. I feel like it has to, that has to come from me, like it has to start with me and not from somewhere outside. And now when I'm 28, I'm like, wait a damn minute.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:30Speaker 03

  I, I do know what I want. And I think the people that I work with now has helped me realize that I, I need those people around me to feel comfortable. And like my, like my friends, like now I feel like I work with my friends. Before it was like working with my parents in a way. You know what I mean?

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, you felt like you were not the, like you were always the artist.

• 1:13:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I was never the, I was never the.

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  Conductor. You were not conducting the symphony.

• 1:14:03Speaker 03

  Exactly. Like I was a big part of the symphony. Maybe I had a lot of solos, but I didn't feel like, you know, I didn't feel like I was running the.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  Division.

• 1:14:14Speaker 03

  Division, yeah, like steering the, the car.

• 1:14:17Speaker 01

  Well, how can you know yourself fully enough to do that at that age?

• 1:14:21Speaker 03

  No, you can't. That's what I'm saying.

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  So that's kind of what it is, right? It's like, it also reminds me of like, you know, like one of your contemporaries is obviously Sabrina Carpenter, who had many albums out and tried many different things. And then it felt like there was a moment where you guys finally like, were like, no, I know who I am enough to the point where everything can be exactly perfect, but there needs to be the serrated edge, the extra thing that makes it Zara. And there are so many tangible things now about people getting to know you because you are able to offer those things because you know exactly who that person is.

• 1:14:56Speaker 03

  I think so too. And I, I feel like that comes with age. Like a big part of that is just growing up.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:01Speaker 03

  And finding your confidence and like sort of knowing more. And also not really caring so much about others' opinions.

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:08Speaker 03

  With love and respect. It's like, you might think that, but I think this. And because I'm the artist, this is what goes.

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:15:15Speaker 02

  What you're saying about like working with your friends rather than working with your parents is like so huge because, um, Matt said this thing, Matt gave this like graduation speech at, um, Tisch this past summer where he was like, my, my advice is don't look up. Don't have like the heroes be the models, look around you. The people around you.

• 1:15:36Speaker 03

  Yes, I love that.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  Are going to be the people who come up with you, you know what I mean?

• 1:15:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:15:39Speaker 01

  You'll always be disappointed if you look up at people you, like most of the time, I think. There'll be something about like people that are already really established that'll let you down a little bit. But if you look at your peers, I think like you'll always be inspired.

• 1:15:52Speaker 03

  Totally. I love that. It's so true. It really is. I feel more inspired now than ever. And I literally work with my best friends and we're all, you know, same age, same references, same sort of upbringing. Maybe they didn't see We Heart It, but like.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  It doesn't matter. There's other things that, that ties together where we just, I feel like they're my peers, you know?

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:20Speaker 03

  And, and, and they're so, so smart and fun. And it just feels like I can really just be myself.

• 1:16:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:28Speaker 03

  And that's the best way to, to be, like no one can really do me better.

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then you find, and one of, one of the things I think is the coolest about you is how, not only how many collaborations you like are joyfully a part of, but how different they all are. And you find such a common language with like Pink Pantheress on stateside. Like that's such a moment in, in like pop culture this, in this era. And I just wanted to ask like, what is that relationship like with you and Pink Pantheress?

• 1:16:59Speaker 03

  For me, it was just, uh, that was literally, it started purely as, um, me being a fan. I actually, I actually reached out, um, to her in the, in her DMs. And I was just like, queen.

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:14Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  Let's goon together.

• 1:17:15Speaker 03

  Yes. Queen, maybe a crown?

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, queen.

• 1:17:19Speaker 03

  Something like that. And she was like, you queen.

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  And then she sent back the track to stateside.

• 1:17:25Speaker 03

  Basically. And I was like, I think you're so amazing. And she was like, oh, actually funny, I'm working on this remix album for Fancy That. Would you like to be on a song? And I was like, yes, please. And then she sent it over. I recorded it. I was on tour with Tate McCray, opening for her last year. And then we recorded it in Denver and then it was basically out the next week. So it was almost like, I don't think she would have even really thought about me. Who knows? But I don't think she would have really like, oh, and by the way, I had this song.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:55Speaker 03

  If I didn't DM her, you're like, queen, you know? So sometimes you just have to reach out with some love for people. And, and look what that got me, like an amazing, amazing song. So that really did start as, um, just me wanting to express some love. I was feeling generous and loving and I DM'd a bunch of, of pop girls. And I was just like, you're amazing, like keep slaying, like I love you.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 1:18:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  You're part of a great community of pop girls right now.

• 1:18:26Speaker 03

  It really is our time.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:18:28Speaker 03

  We are thriving. It's so fun to be a part of. It really is. I see like all the girls and I'm just like, wow, this is really the roaring twenties for pop.

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  Cause it wasn't like that. The girls were not supporting each other back in the 20s.

• 1:18:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know. I don't feel like pop has this huge, uh, moment now. Or maybe, maybe, I don't know. For me, it always does because that's just where I live.

• 1:18:54Speaker 01

  What you love.

• 1:18:54Speaker 03

  But I think in, in culture in general right now, it's so, uh, celebrated. And it's seen as this thing that is worth celebrating and, and something that is cool.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:04Speaker 03

  And not like, oh, you listen to pop? You know, it's like, it's cool. Like pop's cool.

• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  Would you ever like, obviously being from Sweden, we had Kelly Clarkson in here last week. And like she, what I'm just thinking about like almost everyone that we love, like and, and their relationship with Max Martin. Would you do like a full album? I feel like we need like a full record.

• 1:19:23Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:24Speaker 03

  With so much love and respect. Because it's like you said.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:28Speaker 03

  That is someone to look up to for me.

• 1:19:30Speaker 01

  Oh, I hear you.

• 1:19:32Speaker 03

  I want to do an album with like Addison, with Luke and.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  Good for you. That's awesome.

• 1:19:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, like where the girls at, where the people, where the new hungry, like obviously he's the best songwriter in the world and he just keeps getting number ones. But I don't know if that way of working is for me. That's why I'm so thankful that I found, I feel like I have found my team with Eminem K and Margot and Uzo. Um, sorry, with Margot and Hilianna and Uzo, Uzo, oh my God, oh my God. Uzo's, Eminem K's real name is Uzo.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:06Speaker 03

  Eminem K, Margot and Hilianna, those are like my, that's my team.

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:10Speaker 03

  And, uh, and they're the ones I want to develop this with. So then people in 20 years can be like, oh, like, would you like to work with these people? And then they can say, no, I want to work with my people.

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  Whoa. I just want to say that she's already creating a resort. It's literally a spiritual resort you're already creating and I knew this was in you.

• 1:20:32Speaker 03

  Yes. I'm excited, but that's how I feel.

• 1:20:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:20:34Speaker 03

  And I feel really like that's where the magic comes from, not to try to look for it in Max Martin. Because I think we can make an amazing song.

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:44Speaker 03

  Um, and, or album. But I think for me to also feel, cause I know he will affect me in a way which would make me be a little bit smaller.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  It would be like there's a common.

• 1:20:55Speaker 03

  Cause I respect him so much. Yes. Yeah, it is. And, and I know he have these huge songs and have so much knowledge that I would feel like whatever he says goes. I don't think, I don't think I would feel like.

• 1:21:09Speaker 01

  You've already done that.

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. So that's my take.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  Totally. I love that.

• 1:21:15Speaker 02

  Cause we even had, we had Robin in here at the beginning of the year and she was talking about her relationship with Max. And also like, she's kind of kept it pretty balanced where like, obviously she has so many songs with him.

• 1:21:24Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:25Speaker 02

  Then like.

• 1:21:25Speaker 03

  But they also sort of came up together in a way, like when she first started out.

• 1:21:30Speaker 02

  Exactly. A hundred percent. And then they like, they like, kind of like diverged paths and then came back together again throughout the years. But I think her artistry, what she considers her art is like the things that she would do with like, um.

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  She has a collaborative clause.

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, clause. Yeah, exactly.

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  A lot. They're like, you know, that's her partner in collaboration, I think.

• 1:21:50Speaker 01

  Her, her recent show, I just went at Barclays. She's just unbelievable.

• 1:21:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, she is.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  She's just amazing. And, and like when Dancing on My Own happens.

• 1:22:00Speaker 03

  That's really mother.

• 1:22:00Speaker 01

  It's like a 50, it's truly mother. And there's a 50, there's like a 10 minute, 15 minute applause afterwards where she just takes in the moment to really say like, I know this is a generational song.

• 1:22:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:11Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? And she also like, it's like a moment of everyone's just screaming because we're all thanking her and she's thanking us. And it's just like this beautiful moment, but that is mother.

• 1:22:24Speaker 03

  That is mother.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:25Speaker 03

  Especially for me, like she's just always been there, like in my pop life.

• 1:22:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:31Speaker 03

  Um, with her cunty short hair.

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:36Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. You have to be on SNL. You're so, like the movements, like the boy, cunty short.

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  The women who, it's the girls who suck.

• 1:22:50Speaker 02

  Zara, I can listen to you talk all day.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  And we're about to listen to a whole bunch of talking because it's time. But I don't think so, honey. This is the moment where people get a little nervous, but don't, because it's cathartic. It's not negative, okay? It's where we take 60 seconds to just take something down.

• 1:23:08Speaker 03

  I'm excited to see what you guys are gonna say.

• 1:23:10Speaker 01

  So while you were gone, I told the story about how yesterday, me and my friend were having lunch on the street and a man came up and threw a bottle of Gatorade on us.

• 1:23:17Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:23:18Speaker 01

  Wasn't great. And so now I have something to say.

• 1:23:21Speaker 03

  Why did he do that?

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  I think he may have been crazy.

• 1:23:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  It was kind of under New York streets.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  Right. Was it open or closed?

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  It was open and he did not throw the bottle itself. He threw, he chucked all the liquid on it. And then we had to go see a Broadway show.

• 1:23:38Speaker 03

  In the Gatorade?

• 1:23:39Speaker 01

  In the Gatorade.

• 1:23:40Speaker 03

  Was it Gatorade specifically? That almost feels like a hate crime.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  So it, I mean, because it was me, I could say it was. Gatorade. Actually, now I have even more juice from I Don't Think So Honey.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

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• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  I don't think so, honey. Gatorade. Now, obviously, I don't think so, honey, the man who threw the Gatorade on us. But then I'm drenched in the Gatorade and I'm smelling it. I don't think so, honey. Maybe it was the flavor. It was lemon lime Gatorade, which is not the one I would pick. We were talking about how, like my sister said, the best, I do think so, honey, is blue Gatorade, blue ice Gatorade. Maybe if I had been covered in that during the Justin Time musical on Broadway, I would have been more refreshed and excited, but the lemon lime Gatorade, I don't know. I think we're dealing with a basic girl. And I say that with love for my basic girls. I am one of you. I'm pumpkin spice Disney world. But the thing is, when it comes to lemon lime Gatorade, you always have to think of the fact, could I be potentially covered in this?

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  And once you take the cap off, that bottle becomes a weapon. And so if I'm gonna be around a weapon and it's a lemon lime weapon and I know that I have the opportunity to be covered in this, I'm gonna wish it was blue ice. So I don't think so, honey, Gatorade. Eliminate lemon lime, then we'll talk. I'm wet.

• 1:24:56Speaker 02

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• 1:24:59Speaker 03

  Sort of.

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

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• 1:25:00Speaker 03

  I've never actually heard lemon lime. Was that what it was? Lemon lime?

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  Lemon lime is kind of, I would say.

• 1:25:06Speaker 03

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• 1:25:07Speaker 01

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  I don't think so, honey, contracts. What do you mean? I sign a line and it's legally binding? That's fucking crazy.

• 1:29:21Speaker 01

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• 1:29:22Speaker 02

  Like, but like, also, the replacement now is like DocuSign, like, oh, I tap, tap, tap, and then like, that's legally binding? Oh, you mean contracts, the thing that Ursula did in The Little Mermaid?

• 1:29:36Speaker 01

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• 1:29:37Speaker 02

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• 1:30:09Speaker 02

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• 1:30:15Speaker 01

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• 1:30:23Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  And that's real quick for number 30.

• 1:30:25Speaker 03

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• 1:30:30Speaker 03

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• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  But so you decide this lease for your, for your sister.

• 1:30:33Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? And they were like, can you scan, can you scan the, the paper? And it just means like, oh, I'm gonna take a picture of the paper where I signed and then I'm gonna text it to you. And they're like, the apartment is yours.

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

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• 1:30:46Speaker 03

  What does that even, what does that even mean?

• 1:30:48Speaker 01

  It's completely insane.

• 1:30:50Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  And also, you lose me at the word scan every time.

• 1:30:53Speaker 03

  I know. But even imagine, imagine back in the days where, at least now, it can sort of be digitally saved somewhere. Imagine back in the days where it's like, no, this is the original paper. It's like, how do I know?

• 1:31:06Speaker 01

  Hope you have a file cabinet.

• 1:31:07Speaker 03

  How do I know that that is the paper? Why can't someone just like, make the paper?

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:31:11Speaker 03

  Or, or, that's very confusing. That's good. That's a really, really good one.

• 1:31:17Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  Paper culture is, like, we both want to return to it, but it's confusing. Then there gets to be so much of it. What about the trees?

• 1:31:25Speaker 03

  No, it's true.

• 1:31:25Speaker 01

  We need all the trees for Zara's resort.

• 1:31:29Speaker 02

  For Zara's resort. Yeah, we need the big leaf trees for your resort.

• 1:31:32Speaker 01

  I think that what, it, it's a tropical vibe.

• 1:31:34Speaker 03

  I think so. Like palm trees, but also big oak tree. I like that. Like, I like the paradise feeling of that.

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  And different areas of Europe.

• 1:31:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe like botanical garden. That can also be like a side, a side part to the hotel or like resort.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  I think rides wise.

• 1:31:53Speaker 03

  Butterfly garden.

• 1:31:54Speaker 01

  There's obviously a Zara boat ride.

• 1:31:57Speaker 03

  Of course, obviously.

• 1:31:58Speaker 02

  Of course. I think you, I think there's a Zara like licorice Swedish gummy.

• 1:32:03Speaker 03

  Now we're talking.

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  Candy store.

• 1:32:04Speaker 03

  We're talking.

• 1:32:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:06Speaker 02

  I'm telling you. Okay, we, we, we, we, we keep saying goon, we keep saying Zara opened a resort. All right, let's.

• 1:32:12Speaker 01

  Why scan when I can goon?

• 1:32:13Speaker 03

  Why scan when I can goon?

• 1:32:15Speaker 02

  Let's.

• 1:32:15Speaker 03

  No, I feel terrible right now.

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  All right, so are you?

• 1:32:18Speaker 03

  Yes, I'm ready.

• 1:32:19Speaker 01

  Okay, you're ready.

• 1:32:20Speaker 03

  But I'm not really ready.

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  This is Zara Larsson's I Don't Think So Honey. Her time starts now.

• 1:32:23Speaker 03

  My I Don't Think So Honey is I Don't Think So Honey segment.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:28Speaker 03

  For me. Because people said this before.

• 1:32:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:32:30Speaker 01

  Lady Gaga has.

• 1:32:31Speaker 03

  No, she did. Okay, what I want to say is that, why is my heart pounding? I'm sitting here, I've been, I've been getting texts from Chris all weekend. What is your, oh no, oh no, honey, segment gonna be? What is that gonna be? And I'm like, I don't know. I didn't graduate high school. Like, I don't know what the essay is gonna be about. So now.

• 1:32:52Speaker 01

  30 seconds.

• 1:32:53Speaker 03

  I, I'm still doing the, the segment.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, you are.

• 1:32:57Speaker 03

  That's, that's what happens. I can't escape it. So even if I don't want to be part of it, I still have to be part of it. And you have to sit here and you have to judge me. And now everyone's gonna be in the comment, shut off the comments on this video.

• 1:33:08Speaker 01

  15 seconds.

• 1:33:09Speaker 03

  They can only like, no dislikes. And, and that's literally what it is, I guess.

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's one minute. Okay, so it's kind of.

• 1:33:17Speaker 02

  We're not clipping this for social.

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  It's kind of kismet that you, that you say it like this because literally today we were talking about retiring the segment.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  We're like, we don't, we don't like the segment anymore.

• 1:33:26Speaker 03

  Why, why has this been stressing me out? Like, I feel like I'm getting flushed.

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  Do you want to know why it's stressing you out? Because this is why it's stressful.

• 1:33:33Speaker 02

  Because you're a positive person.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  Because you're a positive person. And this is actually something I think.

• 1:33:37Speaker 03

  That's literally what it is?

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  No, and I don't think, I don't think we need more. And because I don't think somebody.

• 1:33:44Speaker 03

  What about I think so, honey?

• 1:33:45Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:33:46Speaker 01

  Do you want to do that?

• 1:33:47Speaker 03

  Oh, I think so, honey.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  Do you have, do you have an, do you have an I think so, honey, that you want to do right now, something that you love and you want to pop off on, for a minute?

• 1:33:55Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:33:57Speaker 02

  We're, we're putting you on the spot.

• 1:33:58Speaker 01

  Could be bugs.

• 1:33:59Speaker 03

  It could be.

• 1:34:02Speaker 01

  Could be necklaces. Could be pop music.

• 1:34:07Speaker 03

  Could pop you. I don't know.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  Okay, don't worry about it.

• 1:34:09Speaker 03

  Sorry, y'all.

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  Don't apologize.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  You've said so many positive things for an hour and a half. How can we ask you for one more?

• 1:34:16Speaker 03

  No, I love you guys. You're amazing.

• 1:34:18Speaker 01

  We love you so much. And do you know, there's so many I think so honeys that you did, such as like when you did a costume change?

• 1:34:24Speaker 03

  That's, okay, okay. Let me, let me get to it. I think so, honey.

• 1:34:28Speaker 01

  Okay, go. This is our, this is our Larson I think so honey. Our time starts now.

• 1:34:33Speaker 03

  I think so, honey. Do quick changes throughout the day.

• 1:34:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:34:36Speaker 03

  Didn't this like gag you a little bit?

• 1:34:38Speaker 02

  A lot of it.

• 1:34:39Speaker 03

  Me coming in, new outfit, new chapter, new energy, new life. I feel like my people that I have in my life, they do like five changes throughout the day. And it makes me, it makes me happy. It amuses me. It's like, it's gesturing, but it's also, it's like fashion, personality, depending on what vibe that is I'm doing. Like, maybe I should have put on a new outfit for this segment. Maybe that should have been the all leather. Like, I'm, I'm a little bit emo. I'm a little bit mad. Like, you, you see what I'm trying to express with my fashion. And then I go to the next interview and I have a new outfit on. And it's like, it's a way of telling people how you feel without saying words.

• 1:35:16Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:35:17Speaker 03

  So I think more quick changes. And it doesn't even take that much space in your bag. Like, you can have a little pant and a little shirt. It doesn't have to be like this whole thing with the shoes to go to match.

• 1:35:26Speaker 01

  Yes, five seconds.

• 1:35:28Speaker 03

  Change it up. You know, change it up, change up the vibe. I think so, honey.

• 1:35:32Speaker 01

  Yes. Can I tell you something? You just nailed it. And all we needed to do for Zara was make it positive.

• 1:35:40Speaker 02

  Make it positive. That's who you are.

• 1:35:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:35:43Speaker 01

  Maybe you actually just changed the course of Lost Culture East Coast. Because I'm tired of people seeing the I don't think so honey clips and being like, why are they screaming? I'm like, well, that's actually the bit. But the algorithm doesn't allow people to understand the bit. It just shows you people screaming.

• 1:35:58Speaker 03

  Right, right, right, right. Passion is passion.

• 1:36:00Speaker 01

  We need we heart it culture.

• 1:36:05Speaker 03

  You're so quick with that.

• 1:36:06Speaker 02

  Oh, I do this, I do this.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  Well, he does this.

• 1:36:08Speaker 03

  The millennial heart?

• 1:36:09Speaker 02

  I do that Gen Z heart sometimes too. But then people call me out. And then K-pop heart, of course, of course. And then A.D. Bryant one time tried to do this, but it doesn't really work.

• 1:36:17Speaker 01

  What is that?

• 1:36:18Speaker 02

  It's a V.

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  Well, no matter what shape, no matter what shape heart it is, yeah, this is something else.

• 1:36:23Speaker 02

  This is something else.

• 1:36:24Speaker 01

  Wait, how will we make a Z? A never ending midnight sun.

• 1:36:30Speaker 03

  There you go. Yeah.

• 1:36:32Speaker 01

  What a gag is that?

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  Zara Larson.

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  I just messed it up. Okay.

• 1:36:35Speaker 03

  That's beautiful.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  Beautiful. Love.

• 1:36:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:38Speaker 01

  And then you go.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  Wait, that's literally it. I think your fandom name is Gooners.

• 1:36:45Speaker 02

  Gooners.

• 1:36:47Speaker 03

  I, I support that. I liked it a lot better than sluts or Larsonists.

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  Okay, so you know what? Now that everyone has heard it, Zara likes it. We like it. We don't matter that much, but think about it. Ruminati on it. Go on on it.

• 1:37:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:02Speaker 01

  Whatever the shape of heart it is, they're all for you. We love you so much.

• 1:37:06Speaker 03

  I love you so much.

• 1:37:07Speaker 01

  You're so gifted and we're so happy that like you stopped by. This is so fun.

• 1:37:11Speaker 03

  I had the best time. Thank you for having me.

• 1:37:13Speaker 02

  We love you. We end every episode with a song.

• 1:37:16Speaker 01

  Should we see if we can do it today? A never ending midnight sun.

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  Another one?

• 1:37:33Speaker 03

  You did it!

• 1:37:34Speaker 01

  Yes. We're gonna have a good day.

• 1:37:37Speaker 03

  It's gonna be an amazing day. That's amazing. I love that.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  That was so fun.

• 1:37:43Speaker 02

  Lost Culture East Coast is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio Podcasts.

• 1:37:47Speaker 01

  Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosni and produced by Becca Ramos. Edited by Hot Dog Sandwich. And our music is by Henry Kermersky.

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