"Correctamundo, Tro" (w/ Troye Sivan)

International pop king, Mickey Mouse of poppers, and eternal Best Gay Guy - Famous Troye “Tro” Sivan joins Matt + Bow on Las Cultch! The figure of great and unknown LC lore is here to discuss “the perfect crime” aka faking an orgasm as a top, the origins of “Troye, baby…”, and the idea of taking fat from your ass to cure volume loss under your eye. Also, where our husbands might live, how everyone’s life is a movie when they’re around Baz Luhrmann, and Disney characters reproducing. All this, the tea on how Troye’s new album She’s The Best is the most potent distillation of all his musical inspirations yet, Nicole Kidman in Moulin Rouge! as both formative culture and eventual muse, Little Shop of Horrors as a Faustian bargain with fame, and an I Don’t Think So, Honey on singing from one of our most forefront recording artists. The album is out October 9th and you can watch and stream “She’s The Best” now! That Tro, That Tro, wowwww. He’s the best. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  What makes it different? Egg yolks. Cupi is made with egg yolks only, giving it this rich umami flavor.

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  Yes.

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  Goodness.

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  Wow. Las Culturistas.

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  Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. And it's our first guest in the space.

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  Amazing.

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  And the first thing he did was say, sort of encounter what was on the table and say, what's that? We said, well, I've never tried that. I'm telling you, we're giving it away for free. Because now they have one of the world's beloved icons drinking it here.

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  And having mixed things to say.

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  Which is what they want.

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  And we can be transparent about that because they have not offered us some sort of global brand deal, so we can sit here and actually say how we feel about. And what's the one that you have?

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  Arctic Vibe.

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  Arctic Vibe.

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  And to the Celsius folks, y'all know it tastes crazy.

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  That's part of the appeal, isn't it? Out there, you fucking freaks. You want us out here sipping your weird juice? One of our crew called it vape juice.

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  Yeah. Oh, no, I think our guest called it vape juice.

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  Oh, and then it was confirmed by the crew.

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  By our vaping crew.

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  I don't want to call anyone out of their name.

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  Well, we're about to.

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  I...

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  How dare our guest.

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  How dare our guest. He dropped this video on the world.

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  So, here's the thing. You know Nicole Kidman. I'm talking to the guests at home. Not the guests in the chair, I'm talking to the guests to this episode, AKA the readers, the people that listen to this podcast. You guys know Nicole Kidman.

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  You remember her from this podcast where she... What happened to her when Tweety Bird came up?

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  I think she was just excited to see Tweety Bird.

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  Yeah.

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  And then I think she is an actor in the sense that she went into a reverie.

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  Yeah.

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  And embodied Tweety. And that girl, that girl, she's the best. This guy, this guy.

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  He's the best.

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  So, one of the things that I share, that we all share with our guests is a friend, collaborator Brett Leland McLaughlin. And so, he does, I don't want to put him on too much blast, but I have heard a large portion of this project in an... You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying...

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  He shouldn't have done that.

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  I'm not saying that he did too much, but I am saying he did just enough for me to know that this Troy era is the Troy era.

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  I am very, very, very excited that you finally arrived here in this moment because I do believe, like, people are gonna say a lot of big things because people are gonna be excited, but I will just be one of the voices saying how exciting it is to see our guest, who has always done such incredible work, like, take it in even further and even bolder a direction, and I am just incredibly excited for what? What is on the horizon? It gave me ray of light, which I told him, which is, especially in this era where Madonna is so top of mind, to say something that like this, you can't do it lightly.

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  That just hit me like a wave, like Tokyo. And I think our guest is a really special person to me. And I'm in a reverie, I'm looking at Tweety Bird, and I'm Nicole Kidman over here.

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  Let's bring him in.

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  Let's just bring him in. Everyone, please welcome Troy, baby.

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  Troye Sivan!

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  Can I talk?

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  Yes. You're free to speak.

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  Guys, what's up?

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  Here's the thing.

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  And you can kick that however many times you want.

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  I'm going to. We're really, it's pokey. I love the new studio, by the way.

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  Thank you.

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  You look perfect in it.

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  Really? Thank you. This is actually not my preferred side.

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  Do you have, do you have one of those?

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  I do now.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  It's gotten worse over time.

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  What made you, why do you say you do now? What brought this on?

• 5:56Speaker 04

  Age, I think. I have, I have volume loss under my left eye.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Age gave you a side.

• 6:01Speaker 04

  Age gave me a side.

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  Yeah.

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  You have what under your left eye?

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  Volume loss.

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  Volume loss.

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  Volume loss. Okay, but these are new terms, these are terms that we did not know, like...

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  No, my brain is rotten.

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  Tell us.

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  Just, I mean, I feel like I have the most minor thought about volume loss under my left eye, and then I'll open Instagram and there's like a reel about volume loss under the left eye.

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  Yeah.

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  And how to fix it.

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  Yeah, no, it's incredibly powerful, whatever's happening with the technology that allows, it allows your phone to know what you've thought. This happens.

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  Yep. And I haven't done anything about it yet, but we'll see.

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  What's there to do?

• 6:42Speaker 04

  There's a few options. Filler, which nobody recommends.

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  Right, no.

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  It's apparently very dangerous to do under your eye. I should say, I'm not like a medical expert, so don't take my advice no matter what, but...

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  You are.

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  It would be incredible if you revealed that you were.

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  Hey, you are. Yes, you are. I don't like that, I don't like that self-talk. You're a doctor, Troy.

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  Don't let anyone tell you you're not a medical expert.

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  No, so, I think that, I had a consultation.

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  Okay.

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  And they told me about the filler, and then they were like, but don't do that. And then they also told me that you can do, like, P, plasma, whatever. And I'm like, is that real? Like, am I gonna notice a difference?

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  Right.

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  And they were like, maybe. And I'm like, no, what's, what's like the real deal? Like, how do you actually do it? And it's unfortunately fat transfer.

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  Yeah, fat transfer.

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  Fat transfer.

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  From the eye or to the eye?

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  To the eye, because it's volume loss.

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  From wherever they can find it.

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  They take it from your ass and put it under your eye.

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  Ass fat under the eye.

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  Ass fat under the eye.

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  Whatever the fat is, sometimes, some of us don't have fat there.

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  Someone's gonna be into that, like, you like this fat ass? And it's like, under your eye.

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  You like, you like my beautiful eyes? It's, I took stuff from my ass to make them even more beautiful.

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  Jesus.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah, so they take fat, they purify it or something, and then they, they put it under your eye. And then it's, apparently it's for life, and that's what also scares me.

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  Yeah.

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  Is that they, only like a certain percentage of it survives, so they overfill with the fat, and then some of it dies in there.

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  Yeah.

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  And what survives is supposed to look perfect and smooth and like, whatever. And it just sounds risky to me.

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  It sounds risky to me. Any sort of transfer of fat from part of your body to it, but then...

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  The third option is, of course, self-acceptance.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you were gonna say bag of peas. When you first said P, I thought...

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  Bag of peas?

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  I thought you meant just like, oh, put a bag of peas under there, like, that's what they tell you to do. Like, you know, just like, put a bag of ice or like, you know, whatever, just like, sort of be more conscientious, sleep, et cetera.

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  Yeah.

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  Like, anything that's not, like...

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  Upper bluff.

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  No, just like, like, just do the thing. Just do the actual thing that's going to work. Like, I don't wanna, I don't wanna do some weird, like, a skin cream is not gonna give me, you know what I mean?

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  But it seems like you don't know what the, the trouble with this is, we don't know what the thing is.

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  What do you mean?

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  When you say, like, just do the thing.

• 9:07Speaker 04

  Oh, right.

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  But we don't know what the thing is.

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  It sounds like it's fat transfer, but I just like, I just, I can't be bothered.

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  But then you gotta do that.

• 9:13Speaker 04

  Exactly, then you get fat transfer into your eyes, which just seems like such an insane thing to do.

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  And that's the thing, is I do think we, as a society, could benefit from stepping back a little bit and being like, what is this?

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  Right.

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  And like, you know what I mean? And sometimes it's like, oh, we're talking about like, something like salmon sperm? You know what I mean? Like, which, which again, I heard is like, salmon sperm, that's, that's pretty whatever, right? People like it. And what is it? Is it an injection?

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  No.

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  See, that's something that I would be a skeptic about, but I'm sure it's real.

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  Because it's the cum of fish.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  Right, how can that be?

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  And we stepped back and it was the cum of fish that we were talking about the whole time.

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  When you zoom out.

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  Yeah.

• 9:47Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  But the cum of humans we put all over the fucking place.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  Speak for yourself.

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  Speak for yourself, says Troy.

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  Where do you guys put it?

• 9:55Speaker 04

  No, no.

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  You guys. Meaning Australians.

• 9:58Speaker 04

  Yes, it goes everywhere.

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  It goes everywhere.

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  I mean, I've, we put it on the face.

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  If it helps, I mean, that's the thing, is like, I will, I will try it if it helps, but the thing is, I...

• 10:13Speaker 04

  The only time you get cum on your face is if there's like a...

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't ever the biggest fan anyway, you know what I mean? Like...

• 10:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, what are your thoughts on cum?

• 10:24Speaker 02

  Sometimes it's cool.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  Because you came to Las Cult.

• 10:27Speaker 04

  I did.

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  And we, and here we are with our cum questions.

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  I, you know, like, I'm kind of whatever about it.

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  Me too.

• 10:36Speaker 04

  I'm not like obsessed.

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  I've never been like, that was unbelievable, cum. I've had that thought.

• 10:44Speaker 04

  If the guy is like...

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  Yeah.

• 10:46Speaker 04

  Unbelievably hot.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:47Speaker 04

  And I'm like, falling in love with him.

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  Yeah.

• 10:50Speaker 04

  By all means.

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  Can't get enough.

• 10:51Speaker 04

  Whatever, whatever you want.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  True or false? Sometimes, sometimes guys do like, perform it too much.

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  What, the act of cumming?

• 11:02Speaker 04

  Have you ever faked an orgasm?

• 11:03Speaker 02

  I have. I have.

• 11:06Speaker 04

  Tell us about it.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  Okay, so...

• 11:08Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, it's different for, for, for dick people.

• 11:12Speaker 04

  I know, that's the thing, yeah.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  So, this is, this happened about, this happened about five years ago, and I was...

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  Do I know him?

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  I don't know.

• 11:22Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Um, happened in LA. And I, you know, that's why I'm like, I can't come swinging through here with a no.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  With a no.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  Um, but anyway, like I, I was not bored topping, but it was kind of just like, it wasn't really happening.

• 11:41Speaker 02

  You can fake it if you're topping.

• 11:42Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  Yes. And so that's why, that's how I was able to do so is because I was like, oh, whoa, wasn't that over?

• 11:48Speaker 04

  But then after, doesn't he like realize?

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Well, he did ask me, did you come? And I was like, yeah.

• 11:55Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  So I said, yeah, like an older brother in a sitcom. Yeah. Well, of course I did. Anyways.

• 12:03Speaker 04

  He's like, why are you talking like that?

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  Feels like you didn't come.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  I commend you for lying.

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  I know.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  Sometimes lying is cool.

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  Sometimes lying is super cool. It's, it's what I need to do for survival in that moment. Have you?

• 12:19Speaker 04

  I have.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 12:20Speaker 04

  Very similar situation.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 12:23Speaker 02

  Were you, you just hedged?

• 12:25Speaker 04

  But, um, it wasn't our first time.

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  Yeah.

• 12:29Speaker 04

  So.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  You can be forgetting.

• 12:31Speaker 04

  I was like, this is the perfect crime. There's no way that he's, he's gonna know.

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  This is the perfect.

• 12:36Speaker 04

  Because, you know, it's like already happened.

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  Yeah.

• 12:39Speaker 04

  So it's just not happening again.

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  Yeah.

• 12:43Speaker 04

  So I was like, I did a gorgeous performance.

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  Yeah.

• 12:47Speaker 04

  Very convincing, hopefully.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:48Speaker 04

  And I don't think you have any.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  You're a really good actor.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  You are a great actor. And that, one of that, that's one of the things I want to talk to you about at some point when we move off this topic, which I'm still interested in exploring.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  Um, I, but hold on, and this is my exploration.

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  Go ahead.

• 13:01Speaker 02

  Who's to say that we haven't had people fake it with us? You know what I mean?

• 13:07Speaker 02

  I've had people fake, I, I'm sure statistically speaking, I don't know who, but I'm sure someone's faked it with me. And I'm like, yeah, that's just, that's how the numbers go.

• 13:16Speaker 04

  Right.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:17Speaker 04

  Right.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  Oh, oh no, does, is that so sad?

• 13:19Speaker 04

  No, I just actually hadn't considered it for myself. I'm like, I've done it for someone else, but of course no one's ever done that.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, you're always the exception.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  You may be.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  I, I want to know about your experience with poppers now.

• 13:33Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 13:34Speaker 01

  Because you felt the rush and made us all feel the rush.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  The thing about poppers over time is they are a drug that you inhale and they go right to your brain and sort of, I would say, potentially wreck that human organ that we need. So where are you at with it now? And is fantasy reality?

• 13:53Speaker 04

  Fantasy is definitely reality. I'm not like crazy obsessed, like as in it's not that frequent.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  The, the, I would say the issue is now it's hard for me to be like, in the moment with someone, I'm like, do you like poppers?

• 14:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:09Speaker 04

  Like it just, it feels like kind of a joke almost or something like that. Like if I, if I whip out a bottle of rush, it's like.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  You're Mickey Mouse.

• 14:15Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 14:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:16Speaker 04

  Totally. Doing like whatever Mickey Mouse does, you know? Um, so, yeah.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  Mickey Mouse tends to have like a great day.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? So like you being the Mickey Mouse of poppers actually is perfect.

• 14:27Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah. So it's just like, I can, I feel like it was maybe cooler before, whereas now it's like a little bit like wearing your own t-shirt or something.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  We know you feel the rush.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  You did not, you're not responsible for the ways that we all realize that like, this is maybe like destroying our brains. And in a way that like, you wish, you wish someone would do that for phones. You know what I mean?

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Like, can you tackle that?

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Can you tackle, can you do a song about phones?

• 14:51Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  Social media addiction.

• 14:53Speaker 04

  I wrote a song about phones once. Um, I think I've written two songs about phones. Just like.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  What's the take?

• 15:00Speaker 04

  Hate them.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:01Speaker 04

  Hate them deeply. Yeah. I'm, I'm really, I do think that all of our brains are like turning to mush.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  What do you think of the credit card theory? That there's a credit card in all of our brains?

• 15:12Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  That's because of microplastics though. That's not because of social media addiction.

• 15:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. But there's so many things to be afraid of.

• 15:18Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  But some people have good credit.

• 15:24Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Was that you feeling the rush?

• 15:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. I did do poppers again for the first time in like, I, I want to say over a year.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:32Speaker 02

  The other week and I was like.

• 15:33Speaker 04

  Recreationally or sexually?

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Re- recreationally.

• 15:37Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  Well, I know I was, I was recreational. Sometimes the line is blurred.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  Sexually.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  I sec, yeah. And I was like, I mean, it does really, you are addicted to.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  I got addicted to them.

• 15:51Speaker 04

  Oh, that's where you're coming from with this. I forgot this about you.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:54Speaker 04

  And now I remembered. Yes, you and another person that I know.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:58Speaker 04

  I only know two people and she's a girl.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, Rachel Sennett.

• 16:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  It's possible.

• 16:02Speaker 04

  It's possible.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  It's like when Gaga says like, people don't realize that you can get addicted to marijuana.

• 16:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  It's that kind of thing. You can get addicted to anything.

• 16:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:10Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  You can get addicted to anything that I guess has a stimuli that you would then need again. My strange addiction.

• 16:18Speaker 04

  Matt, do you, you don't like touch them anymore?

• 16:20Speaker 01

  No, you know what it was? It was kind of just like I, they can be around. It's just that like, it has to, well, they can't really be around. The guest star has to bring them over. If the guest star brings them over, then, then it's good and fine, but it's just like, I spent a long time being that person that would like, wake up in the morning and use them to jack off.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  Oh, to jack off?

• 16:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:41Speaker 04

  Okay. I thought you were just saying like with a coffee.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Do my day. Well, I gotta go get coffee. You know what I mean? Like, no, it wasn't like that.

• 16:48Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  But I think it's, there was like a cultural moment, like, and this predated the, the rush moment, but it was like, there was a time like in our mid twenties where we were just ripping it in bars and clubs, like, like even just watching RuPaul's Drag Race.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, we would just do it very recreationally. And I, and I just came up with a term for, um, you know, wake and bake.

• 17:11Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  You were yawn and yank.

• 17:13Speaker 01

  Yawn and yank.

• 17:14Speaker 02

  You were yawn and yank.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  I mean, that's amazing.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, he's brilliant.

• 17:18Speaker 04

  Really good. Cause it's also, it's not just specific to poppers. Like that's just like a thing that people do.

• 17:22Speaker 02

  You don't need poppers to do that. I yawn and yank.

• 17:25Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  I, I, I, I love a yawn and yank.

• 17:29Speaker 04

  I woke up at 3am this morning because I'm jet lagged.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:32Speaker 02

  Time shifter.

• 17:33Speaker 04

  I considered it, but I.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Considered the, cause it was too early for yawn and yank.

• 17:36Speaker 04

  It's too early.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  Why didn't you, and then, well, I don't, I don't want to get, it's, it's, I don't want to get too personal.

• 17:40Speaker 04

  Right, right. Sorry.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  Um, time shifter.

• 17:44Speaker 04

  I know.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  But it doesn't, it doesn't work for you?

• 17:47Speaker 04

  Well, I just sort of do it in my head. Cause I, I, I used it. It's, it's quite expensive, that app.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  But I think it's worth it.

• 17:52Speaker 04

  Really?

• 17:53Speaker 02

  You don't lose the day. Like, you know, here's, I will pay any price to avoid jet lag.

• 17:58Speaker 04

  Right.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  Not any price, but like reasonably like I'll pay.

• 18:00Speaker 04

  Do you know about this app?

• 18:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I attempted to use the time shifter app and it didn't work for me as well. I think what I try to do is just try to go to sleep at night.

• 18:09Speaker 04

  Right.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Whatever night will be. No, not really. I'm not like a napper.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  It's not as easy as that.

• 18:15Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course you're gonna try to go to sleep.

• 18:18Speaker 04

  And you follow the rules, like no caffeine at this time and da, da, da, da.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  Yes, I am supposed to be done with ca, oh, get this away from me. I'm supposed to be done with caffeine.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Oh, cause you're going to Berlin.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  Tomorrow.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  Have you been to Berlin?

• 18:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, clearly.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 18:29Speaker 04

  We filmed the rush video there.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  Oh duh, yeah. Me asking questions. I know the answer to.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  Bloom there too?

• 18:34Speaker 04

  No, Bloom was in New York.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  In like a, in a, where was that warehouse? I love that warehouse.

• 18:39Speaker 04

  I don't remember.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  No, not Bloom. Sorry, sorry. My, my, my, my, my, my.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  My, my was in LA.

• 18:44Speaker 02

  It looked like Europe to me.

• 18:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. It was like a, a really sort of random like power plant.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  And it was raining.

• 18:50Speaker 04

  It was raining. I don't remember if that was real or fake rain. I think it was maybe fake rain.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  I love my, my, my. And I loved blonde, that you were blonde then, right? Blonde, dark, but yet dark Troy.

• 19:03Speaker 04

  Yes. The skinniest person you've ever seen in your life. Like it was a, it was a crazy vibe I had at the time. I would see pictures of myself and be like, whoa, I looked crazy kind of.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Really? Well, well, like, okay. So what's like the hair? Is there a hair logic to you? Like I was blonde then because of this, or I have dark hair now because of that?

• 19:20Speaker 04

  Not really. I think the only, I mean, like the closest thing to it is, um, I think like last album even, I felt remnants of feeling like I needed to step into a, a role or something like that. And I knew that this time I didn't want to do that. So this feels like I'm wearing a very cool hat today.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, you certainly are.

• 19:42Speaker 04

  No noise for the hat so far.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  No, no, I, I love that.

• 19:45Speaker 04

  I thought it was gonna be worked into the intro.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  The noise sort of happened in the other room.

• 19:48Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  Where we viewed the video and everything and I, I immediately wanted to compliment you on what I think is you finding your colors.

• 19:56Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Cause I recently found out I was in autumn, says Melissa.

• 19:59Speaker 04

  Did you actually do the thing?

• 20:01Speaker 01

  We, we didn't need, she used her eye, but we need to do it. But we, you're wearing things that would suggest you've truly found.

• 20:08Speaker 04

  Thank you so much.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  Your color.

• 20:09Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  I think you're a summer.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  That would rock for-

• 20:14Speaker 02

  That would rock.

• 20:15Speaker 04

  It's not based on personality.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  No.

• 20:18Speaker 04

  Purely aesthetics.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  Purely your coloring.

• 20:20Speaker 04

  Right.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 20:21Speaker 01

  But would you wanna be anything other than a summer, though?

• 20:24Speaker 04

  No, that's why I was so flattered for a second.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  Saying that about me.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  If someone points to you and says you're a summer, it's huge.

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Love that.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  I think you wrote the best song about gay travel.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  Which one?

• 20:35Speaker 02

  What's the time where you are?

• 20:36Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 20:38Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 20:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, I really liked that song. I heard it the other day. The other day I was driving home from a shoot and I had such a sweet driver who decided that he thought that I would want to listen to my own music the whole way home. And it was on like shuffle. So every time a song would end, I would like clench my bum.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 21:02Speaker 04

  So nervous about what is going to play because he was, I mean Spotify or whatever was playing that music was like pulling out some absolute wild cards, including like a song from the Trolls soundtrack at one point that I like forgot that I did.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  Fright Fest.

• 21:17Speaker 04

  And so, but that song came on and I was like, this one's actually, I like this song.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Now, and I have to tell you what is so aspirational about that song is every gay guy wants some, some guy leaving him a voice note that's like, Troy, baby.

• 21:34Speaker 04

  Troy, baby.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  Who did that?

• 21:36Speaker 04

  So I put on my Instagram, I was like, send me voice notes of you saying, um, last night was fucking crazy in like your language, accent, whatever.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  And that guy like failed the assignment, but just sent me a voice note anyway, like just like a general like what's up one. And he started it with Troy, baby, da, da, da, da, like he was like talking and, um-

• 21:58Speaker 02

  Dreamy.

• 21:59Speaker 04

  It's actually iconic. He basically, so I used it in that song.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  You used it in Supernatural?

• 22:06Speaker 04

  Well, so I used it first in What's the Time Where You Are and we got like a, cause everything obviously has to go through the label. So it's like, you do like a license or whatever for the, for using his recording. Then it came time to use it again. Cause I was like, I'm gonna make this like my tag.

• 22:20Speaker 02

  Tag, yeah.

• 22:20Speaker 04

  And he was like, yes, I would love that. Fifty million dollars. Like, not actually.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  But he was like, this is my opportunity to cash in.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 22:29Speaker 04

  And-

• 22:30Speaker 01

  This is what what I've said is worth.

• 22:31Speaker 04

  Yes. And we did, we did pay him. We paid him for it.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  Fifty million?

• 22:36Speaker 04

  Not, not fifty mil, but, um, not far off.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  But he'll be fine for the rest of his life.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Totally, yeah.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  And his children and his children's children.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  And his children's children.

• 22:45Speaker 04

  And then I didn't use it on the new album. And so I've got this like very expensive sample.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  Single use.

• 22:50Speaker 04

  I tried to recreate it. Like I tried to do it because if you, if you just re-record it, then it's my recording, not his anymore.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  Your master's.

• 22:57Speaker 04

  My master, exactly.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:59Speaker 04

  So I tried to do it. And so I'm like in the mic like, Troy, baby. And it just like-

• 23:04Speaker 01

  That sounded good.

• 23:05Speaker 04

  It didn't have the same vibe. I could feel something was off.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Would it be legally sound for you to do another open call? For people to send in their version of Troy, baby?

• 23:18Speaker 04

  Yes. And we would just like tighten up the legal in the front half of that. You know what I mean? Like on the front end.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Well, yeah. I mean, this is where, this is where you can either, it's, it's make or break for your lawyers.

• 23:28Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  Like if they, if they can make this work.

• 23:30Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  They're staying.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  You know what? I just decided, you don't even have to ask me. We don't have to do any legal stuff. I'm gonna give it to you right now.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  Quiet, quiet, quiet on set.

• 23:42Speaker 04

  Troy, baby.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  Okay, you didn't have the consonants.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  Troy, baby.

• 23:48Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  It was a little too much.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  I'm gonna go. Quiet, quiet on set.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  Troy, baby.

• 23:56Speaker 04

  It's French?

• 23:57Speaker 02

  A little bit.

• 23:58Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 23:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause maybe, maybe there was a little too much sauce on the, yee.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, you're giving me notes?

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, is that okay?

• 24:05Speaker 02

  Hmm, yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  We're trying to help each other here. Book Troy.

• 24:09Speaker 02

  Troy, no, I really hope I book Troy. Okay, we, we said, we said we wanted to try something and to see if you noticed, but I think, let's just-

• 24:16Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, no, no.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's, there's one thing. I wanna try calling you Tro.

• 24:23Speaker 04

  Tro?

• 24:24Speaker 02

  Do people call you Tro?

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Drop the Y E.

• 24:26Speaker 04

  I don't think anyone has ever called me Tro.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  I knew no one had.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  Do you like it?

• 24:32Speaker 04

  I do like that.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Tro.

• 24:34Speaker 04

  Tro. Well, it doesn't sound like, it sounds like you have to really try like to say it, you know what I mean?

• 24:40Speaker 02

  I'm coming pretty naturally to me.

• 24:41Speaker 04

  Really?

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:42Speaker 04

  Go for it. Be my guest.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Try say it right now.

• 24:45Speaker 02

  Oh my God, Tro, I love the new song.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  I think it sounds correctamundo. I think it sounds correctamundo.

• 24:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's really chic.

• 24:53Speaker 02

  Correctamundo for sure.

• 24:54Speaker 04

  I like that. I like it a lot.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  Wait, what was I gonna ask you? Oh, um, time shifter, just try it.

• 24:59Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  Try it, Tro.

• 25:00Speaker 04

  I'll give it a go.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Are you gonna be, is, is it about to be international moments?

• 25:04Speaker 04

  No, because I moved to New York yesterday.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Fully moved?

• 25:10Speaker 04

  I mean, I brought like three suitcases. I'm here for-

• 25:13Speaker 02

  You're here.

• 25:13Speaker 04

  I'm here till November.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  Okay, I thought you-

• 25:15Speaker 04

  I mean, I'm traveling because of like album stuff, but I, I'm like basing myself here.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  But you're doing the thing that every gay guy does, which is-

• 25:23Speaker 04

  Come for the fall.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  I live here now.

• 25:25Speaker 04

  Oh, right, right.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  And then you're like, great, let's hang out. I'm-

• 25:28Speaker 01

  I'm in LA.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  I'm in LA until 2027.

• 25:31Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 25:33Speaker 04

  No, I, I know that I'm like, I'm not really moving. I mean, like I, I'm giving it a go. That's what I'm trying.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Really, really try, Tro.

• 25:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Because-

• 25:42Speaker 04

  All right, Bo.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Well, we were saying with Terry.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  Is your husband in any other city? We don't know. Is, but the likelihoods go up of husbands being-

• 25:56Speaker 04

  I have theories.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  When we're talking about New York. Go ahead, share your theories.

• 26:00Speaker 04

  If I had to guess?

• 26:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:02Speaker 04

  Think London? I think he's in London.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  You think your husband's in London?

• 26:05Speaker 04

  I think so. I, the British sensibility, sense of humor, I just like, when I'm there, I feel very comfortable.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  And at home, I like the vibes. Next, Melbourne.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  You think so?

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:21Speaker 04

  My family's there. It would be very convenient.

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:24Speaker 04

  Then New York and then a million other cities and then LA.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  But in terms of American cities, you think New York is offering the most husband potential?

• 26:33Speaker 04

  Yes. And this is not me saying like personality wise or anything like that. I just, I'm just like thinking logistically, like practically, I think it would be hard. I would love like, I feel no attachment to living in either LA or New York. Like it sounds very nice to me to like live in Seattle or something like that, you know?

• 26:55Speaker 04

  It's more just like if I'm being real with myself, like is that gonna work?

• 26:59Speaker 02

  LA was practical because it was kind of the closest to Australia.

• 27:03Speaker 04

  I just sort of thought that I had to live there. That's what was so mind blowing. I came to New York like a couple of months ago. I was supposed to be for 10 days and then my friends who have a place here, they, they were away. And they were like, just go stay for as long as you want. And so I stayed here for like five weeks and I was so productive. I worked.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:20Speaker 04

  And I was like, oh, I didn't really realize that this was like an option. I thought that I had to live in LA and I don't think I do.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  I don't think anyone does.

• 27:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, I mean, I like LA, but, um-

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Meanwhile, I'm moving there in January.

• 27:34Speaker 04

  Are you?

• 27:35Speaker 02

  Well, just to like, but to be like with my bi-coastal girl.

• 27:38Speaker 04

  Right.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  He has now sort of for the first time started to wrap his head around the idea of this very thing, which is, well, I thought I had to live in a certain place.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  And I had to live in New York for the past-

• 27:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:49Speaker 04

  Oh, you actually did.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Literally.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  And now I'm like, oh wait, I don't have to be here in the fucking dead of winter.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  You know?

• 27:57Speaker 01

  But are you on the husband hunt?

• 27:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Cause I feel like you are a more romantic person than you may be led on.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, I think I'm like a very sensitive person.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:08Speaker 04

  I, um, yeah.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  Like you give kisses to the air just there. It showed how romantic you were.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  Very sweet like that.

• 28:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I definitely, yeah, of course. I don't know. That's, I'm, I'm also 31.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  Correctamundo.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Correctamundo.

• 28:26Speaker 04

  So I'm like, this is, it's a funny story. Um, I'm nervous that he's gonna listen to this. If he does, it's totally fine. Cause I'm saying this with love.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:34Speaker 04

  I, I went on a few dates and had a sort of like very, um, a strong emotional connection, I would say with a guy who works in finance. And I was like, this is amazing. He has no idea what's going on and I love that about him.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:51Speaker 04

  But there's a point. And it was after Coachella and he was like, did you see that Madonna came out with Sabrina Carpenter? He was like, I thought that Madonna was dead.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  There's a point.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  That's the point.

• 29:08Speaker 04

  That's a point, right? That, that, there's-

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Oh no, you can't, you can't do that.

• 29:12Speaker 04

  Like, yeah, I can't.

• 29:14Speaker 02

  I thought Madonna was dead.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  You can't tell someone, you can't tell someone, oh, actually Madonna is alive and then continue a relationship with that.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  I thought she was like an old, old, old artist.

• 29:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 29:28Speaker 04

  Like, I guess, cause the name sort of gives that, right? Like-

• 29:32Speaker 01

  We need to get him to the desert area first of all.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  He needs to be educated ASAP about just how alive she is.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  But I, I just wanna say, because just in case he does watch, that guy's amazing.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course he is.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  He's the best.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. He sounds like, he actually sounds like an incredible person and I, I really do think there is another world where it happens. It's just that for the people in this room, you just can't date someone who's like, I didn't know Madonna was alive.

• 29:58Speaker 04

  At least not right now. Maybe when I slow down with like music and stuff like that, and I don't need someone to like bounce off of in the way that I do right now.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  I think the person has to know that Madonna's alive.

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• 33:29Speaker 02

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• 33:31Speaker 01

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• 33:33Speaker 01

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• 33:41Speaker 01

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• 33:46Speaker 01

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• 33:52Speaker 01

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• 34:00Speaker 01

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• 34:08Speaker 01

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• 35:17Speaker 01

  Troy?

• 35:18Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  Trow?

• 35:20Speaker 01

  Correctamundo.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  Correctamundo. Trow, would you recommend other people go into the fragrance business?

• 35:28Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  Because I, because Greta and I want to start a new fragrance.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Do you?

• 35:32Speaker 04

  Do you?

• 35:33Speaker 02

  We want to call, we want to start a fragrance line called Faja.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Faja?

• 35:36Speaker 02

  From Austin Powers Gold Member.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. What would it smell like?

• 35:40Speaker 02

  Well, I think it would be, it sounds expensive.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  Faja?

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Faj doesn't, but it's goofy.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Hmm, okay.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  But it's chic.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  It's like a comedian fragrance.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  It's a comedian fragrance.

• 35:49Speaker 04

  Got it.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? I want to release one which is just, it's a blue bottle, and it's just the shape of my body, and I'm just like this. And it's called Bold.

• 36:00Speaker 04

  Gorgeous. I love that.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  Wait.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  I wouldn't lead with the comedian fragrance thing. That, that, like it was chic in my head.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  It doesn't feel like it smells good.

• 36:08Speaker 04

  I just feel like sweaty stand-up, you know what I mean? Came to my mind.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  You're right.

• 36:14Speaker 04

  Like nervous sweat.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Nervous sweat stand-up. But wait, you've told us a million times, but how did you come up with, with, what was the, what's the name, origin of Sulang?

• 36:22Speaker 04

  It's, okay, so the name, it's Yiddish.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  Yiddish, fine.

• 36:25Speaker 04

  And even I get, I'm like, I, I get nervous to say it for other people because I'm like, I know how to say it, but I just, I don't want to make people feel.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Don't, don't think about other people.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  I know, right? So, so it's Yiddish, it's Sulang Yor.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Sulang Yor.

• 36:38Speaker 04

  And it means to long years. It's like a toast.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  To long years. Oh, I love that.

• 36:42Speaker 04

  When somebody sneezes. Yes. When someone sneezes, you say, "Sugazunt," which just means like, bless you.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 36:49Speaker 04

  I think, and that means to health. And so then there's to long years, Sulang Yor. And, and I did it with my brother, and it was all about like family and heritage. And we were like, you know what? To like many, many years. This is the one who now has two kids. I was like, to many years of like, this vibe.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  God, you're, you are an artist.

• 37:06Speaker 04

  Wow, thank you.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  You are, I'm sorry, even just you talking about that.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  I have, because so this is, this is what I wanted to reveal, because I don't think, there's lore that people don't know. So I have been in the recording studio with Troy.

• 37:19Speaker 04

  I wasn't going to bring it up, but I'm glad you did.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  I was finishing my album, Have You Heard of Christmas? The week that the Rush music video was coming out. So we were all on what I referred to at the time, and sometimes still do as The Compound.

• 37:30Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  At Leland's.

• 37:31Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  And you were there, and it was so exciting because it was coming out. And we were literally putting like, my album together, and Troy, Troy's voice is all over my album.

• 37:45Speaker 04

  It is.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  Oh, it's right there anyway.

• 37:47Speaker 04

  First of all, I might get in trouble because I was signed at the time, and some of the, really.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  Fuck them.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  Um, I, there's this weird like lull before something comes out where like, the Rush video is done, everything is done. And so I'm like, kind of free.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:02Speaker 04

  For a week, you know? And because I'm not even really doing press yet, because it's not out yet, you know what I mean? And so I was just chilling at The Compound all the time.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 38:10Speaker 04

  And you guys were making this gorgeous Christmas album.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 38:13Speaker 04

  And I, if I'm at Leland's house and he's working, I, like, almost 100% of the time, will insert myself into his job, whatever it is.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  Which is wonderful.

• 38:24Speaker 04

  So I, I love doing a little like, sneaky writing for X or Y or whatever. It's like very fun for me. And you were writing this gorgeous Christmas album, and you needed some background vocals, and you were amazing.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  And we were vocal producing you, and I remember giving you notes.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  The best was, so there's like, I, I had like nine songs I was doing, and there was three where we were writing kind of new. And so we were, we, there's one called Rum Pum Pum. And I pitched, I like sort of come in with my idea of what it is. And then it's, it's Leland and Troy. And I'm like, well, here we go. Like, if I can't do it for them, I can't do it for anyone. So I do it, and they're like, mhm. I leave the room, I come back, and Troy's got the cans in his hand. And I'm like, oh, Troy, Troy basically vocal produced Rum Pum Pum.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  So cool.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  With Brett.

• 39:12Speaker 04

  Rum Pum Pum.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  It's the one that's like, shake that fat Christmas ass! Let it go, hit the snow!

• 39:18Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, yes, I remember this.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  Rum Pum Pum!

• 39:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  Fuck! It goes like that. It's like my banger.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  And are you, the girls throw ass at my shows when Rum Pum Pum comes on. You have to come see it.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Are you vocally on that? Are you, you produced, man?

• 39:33Speaker 04

  Am I vocally on Rum Pum Pum?

• 39:34Speaker 01

  You are, you're vocally on, you're vocally on every, you're on every Christmas Eve, which is my song from the perspective of Mrs. Claus.

• 39:40Speaker 04

  What's the gorgeous like ballad?

• 39:42Speaker 01

  You still make it rain on Christmas.

• 39:44Speaker 04

  Oh, I love that.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's on that. And then he's on Rum Pum Pum, which he's responsible for a lot of my vocal take in that, Troye Sivan. And I was like, can I credit Troye Sivan in the, in the notes? And they were like, no, he's a signed artist elsewhere, he can't. So it's only now that we reveal.

• 40:00Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 40:01Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  Um, I have to insert myself in this beautiful moment for both of you where, do you, I don't know if you remember this, but, but Matt and I got into a huge fight over FaceTime that week.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  You weren't there at the time.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  You weren't there at the time.

• 40:13Speaker 04

  I wasn't there, but I do remember.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  But you heard about it.

• 40:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I heard about it.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  This was when I was going through a fucking breakdown because I was flying back and forth, shooting Wicked and doing SNL. And it was in the summer, but I was like, I have to get on medication. It was an important time.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  That was, that was, that was a moment in the culture. Like we were in.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Madam Bo and fighting.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  Yes, no, I was just like, so much was going on with you and I was doing this thing. And then literally in the next room, Troy was like, okay, I guess the Rush music video is coming out in three hours. And we were like, this is so exciting.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  And someone made lasagna.

• 40:50Speaker 01

  Dave Mizouni came over and made lasagna for us all.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  So nice.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:55Speaker 04

  Amazing memory, both of you.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Also, Henry Kupersky, who wrote all of my Christmas music with me, is the saxophone on.

• 41:03Speaker 04

  Saxophonist.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  The saxophonist in your, on your album.

• 41:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, on How to Stay With You on my last album.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  Love.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, I knew that. And it doesn't end there because you also, and this is what I wanted to say earlier, because this movie needs its flowers. You're the star of Three Months, which is Jared Frieder's writing and directing.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  Directorial debut.

• 41:25Speaker 01

  Directorial debut, and that's on Paramount Plus now, and you are fantastic in that movie.

• 41:29Speaker 04

  And then Jared wins Gay Guy Normal, right?

• 41:32Speaker 01

  Yes, one best gay guy normal, and I believe you, did you win best gay guy famous?

• 41:35Speaker 04

  I think I've won it before, yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 04

  And I get offended every time I'm not nominated.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  I don't want you to be offended.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  But people generally take it, you take it personally, and I understand why.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  Especially because I've been nominated before, so I was like, what did I do between last year and this year?

• 41:50Speaker 01

  I guess, why don't we see how the album goes?

• 41:53Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Would you be, would you, would you be okay if you were nominated and would win another category? That's not gay guy at all, that's like, oh my God, like best hat wearer, Troye Sivan.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Is hats gonna be a big part of the rollout?

• 42:09Speaker 04

  TBD, today's literally day one, like you guys are one of my first interviews.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  I think this feels like a thing.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  Does it really?

• 42:15Speaker 02

  You need to look into Ziggy Chen.

• 42:17Speaker 04

  It's that weird thing where I, I put it on and I'm like, I look at myself in the mirror and I'm like, is this?

• 42:21Speaker 02

  It's really good.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  It's you.

• 42:23Speaker 04

  It, do I believe myself?

• 42:24Speaker 02

  Yes, it's not wearing you.

• 42:26Speaker 04

  Oh, really? I'm wearing a hat.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Well, nothing does.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  No, you're looking at everything.

• 42:29Speaker 04

  When I wear it forwards, it's wearing me.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  Can we see that or no?

• 42:33Speaker 02

  Try it or no?

• 42:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've become, I mean, all of a sudden, I'm like.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  I don't know, I like this.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  Now it's giving actor. The other one was giving musician.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  I mean, my head's feeling so.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  This is a musician.

• 42:43Speaker 04

  Really?

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  The other way was an actor.

• 42:46Speaker 04

  Wow, I, no, yeah, I mean, it's like, immediately I wanna like do a British accent or something like that when it's on the, when it's in the front way.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  You do want a British boyfriend.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  I just think they're funny.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  They're very funny.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Irish, whatever, like, you know, like, funny.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  Funny, and they, funny in a way that where like they don't give a shit.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  They don't give a shit at all.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:05Speaker 04

  I can like, get a beer with someone that I've just met and immediately we're like, off to the races, shooting the shit.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I went on one date with a British guy, like in, in the UK, and was like, oh, this is, this is really nice.

• 43:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  Haven't heard from him.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  The way they describe things is very.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  Very fun.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Enchanting. I mean, that is one of my favorite things about dating a Brit was the descriptions of things.

• 43:29Speaker 04

  Right.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  In, in their slang is very, it's, it's always entertaining.

• 43:35Speaker 04

  There's also a, um, there's kind of like a chill, a baseline chillness that I respond really well to.

• 43:43Speaker 04

  I find, no offense, Americans, I, I had this issue when I first moved to LA where people, I heard from like two or three people, or I heard from other people about those people, that they thought that I didn't like them.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  Hmm, because you're chill.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  And I was appalled because I, one of them I actually didn't like, the other ones I did.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  You were like, God, I'm not doing a good job of faking it.

• 44:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 44:10Speaker 04

  But it upset me because I was like, I hope that I'm not giving like this rancid vibe.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:15Speaker 04

  And I think that British people wouldn't get it mixed up. I just think that there's like a, a way, especially in LA of like, you know the vibe where it's like you meet someone 10 minutes before and then they're like, we have to go to Palm Springs, we gotta Joshua Tree together, you know what I mean? And it's like, to me, that is such a terrifying idea and prospect. And so I would never say that to anyone.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  That is very American. Saying I love you at the end of a conversation where you just met, I'm obsessed with you, I love you.

• 44:46Speaker 04

  I, I, I really like that. I like the idea of it, but I just don't feel it in my heart, so I don't, I don't say it, like, I don't do that. And I think that, um.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  I don't feel it in my heart, so I don't say it, I don't do that.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  But there's no Aussie or British equivalent to that, you think, of like, oh, you're, you're lovely?

• 45:08Speaker 04

  I just, I can't imagine, I think an Australian would be like, why, why are you being like so full on?

• 45:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:15Speaker 04

  Like, it's, um, I think if anything, maybe, maybe, and maybe this was the issue, maybe there's like a standoffish thing where it's like, you know, you wanna be super friendly and polite.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:26Speaker 04

  And part of being polite is that you don't wanna make the person feel like attacked or like, you know what I mean?

• 45:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:32Speaker 04

  And so you just wanna be like, kind of chill.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  No, everyone, everyone treats, everyone like, like, British culture is like, it's like, everyone's a cat.

• 45:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  Not, and like, American culture, everyone's a dog.

• 45:42Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  The one and only time I went to Australia, I actually saw you there because it was World Pride.

• 45:48Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  And I went to that restaurant, that place was so good.

• 45:51Speaker 04

  The Italian one?

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:52Speaker 04

  I love that place, I was there like three days ago.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Literally, and everyone there is so, it's like, it's like you're saying, everyone there is so kind, and the one thing I loved the most about being in Sydney for World Pride is how excited they were to be hosting Pride.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  So cool.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  It's like a very.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  Was it Kylie?

• 46:09Speaker 01

  It was Kylie. And it was major.

• 46:12Speaker 04

  Major.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  And it was just, there was a, um, like a citywide, I don't know if I was necessarily in a gay part, it didn't feel like that. It was like, everyone in the city is proud that, like, is hosting gay Pride, and then it also didn't feel like an overwhelming party-like celebration, it, it felt more like joyous and jovial and everyone was included, and maybe that's speaking to like

• 46:36Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  this thing, it didn't feel too much, it felt like a lot of enough.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  You know?

• 46:41Speaker 04

  Mardi Gras didn't, like Pride didn't get politicized in the same way that it has in, like, the US, I feel like.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 46:48Speaker 04

  Like, the whole city really, really, really gets around it, it's really, it's very special.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  It's not like a topic that's taboo, like whether or not we're going to, you know, speak about who in this community is actually deserving of this treatment or whatever, it's just kind of like.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  No, and like, people, like, everyone comes to the parade, because it's fun.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 47:06Speaker 04

  You know, like, it's not like, a thing like that.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  It's not like a statement.

• 47:11Speaker 04

  Not at all.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, speaking of Australia, which is where

• 47:17Speaker 01

  you're birthed from, we should go to the beginning and ask you the question, really.

• 47:21Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  The central question of this podcast, which is, Troye Sivan, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

• 47:26Speaker 04

  I think it was seeing Nicole Kidman in Moulin Rouge. Because I was young enough that I found the first 10 minutes of the movie scary. Like, I was like afraid, because it's like, remember, like, and they're doing like skirts.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  It's a cut every half second, yeah.

• 47:46Speaker 04

  It's so crazy, and I remember I was watching it with my mom and I was like, I don't like this. And then, once it comes down and you start to get into the story, and I saw Nicole giving this performance that's like perfectly nuanced, but also kind of like camp sometimes, where she's like, you know, when she's like, huh, huh.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:05Speaker 04

  Like, all that stuff, I was like, what is going on, and then the songs, and I was like, oh, something interesting is happening in my spirit right now. And actually, that's part of the reason why, because my other answer for that question was gonna be Nicole talking about Tweety Bird on this podcast.

• 48:25Speaker 02

  You didn't like culture until then.

• 48:26Speaker 04

  There was a hint of sateen in there.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  The breathiness.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  She was, she was beginning to have, she was feeling the free song.

• 48:34Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:35Speaker 04

  Totally, she was like overcome in the same way that, you know, so I, I recognized a little bit of what made me like fall in love with her.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 48:42Speaker 02

  Which is like, um, a campiness, but like something so inviting, and she's always been inviting.

• 48:48Speaker 04

  So warm.

• 48:49Speaker 02

  Even though she presents sometimes as like statuesque and like impervious and like icy, but not icy, but just like, you're just like, whoa, what's going on here, but she's warm, she invites you in.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  She is.

• 49:00Speaker 04

  I, I asked her to do the music video.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  So good.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  And I was on a FaceTime call, or Zoom, sorry. Um, and I made a joke to the person that I was on Zoom with because my phone started to ring, and it was an unknown number, and I was like, without any context to the person, I was like, if this is Nicole Kim and I'm gonna have to leave, Nicole.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:23Speaker 04

  And then I wasn't gonna answer, I thought I was just sort of being like funny. Um, and then you know how Apple does the like voice note as it's coming in or whatever?

• 49:31Speaker 02

  Hi.

• 49:31Speaker 04

  I see, hi darling Troy, it's Nick, and I was like, oh.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  And you knew.

• 49:36Speaker 04

  I slammed my laptop close, answered the phone, and she was like, I just watched your video, because I, I made a video of, you know, asking her to do it. And I listened to the song and I would love to do it. And then I was, I was silent because I was waiting for a but.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:54Speaker 04

  And it was a but that never came, and she was like, I, I'm so down, like, I, she was just the sweetest in the world. And then it was like the funnest day ever.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. How long have you been connected to her, was it before Boy Erased?

• 50:05Speaker 04

  No, Boy Erased.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  It was Boy Erased.

• 50:06Speaker 04

  So we did Boy Erased, I don't remember what year that was, maybe like.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  2018?

• 50:10Speaker 04

  18.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:11Speaker 04

  Um, I met her for the first time there, um.

• 50:16Speaker 04

  And I mean, especially as an Australian, like she's just everything.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:20Speaker 04

  Truly, everything.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  And, and, and can we just put some, some respect on Baz?

• 50:26Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Like.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  Always Baz.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Always Baz.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  Love his vibe.

• 50:30Speaker 02

  He is the kook of all kooks.

• 50:33Speaker 04

  100%. Yeah, I love him.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  And apparently, I guess I can't really talk about this, but he, and I totally forgot about it, but after the Taylor wedding.

• 50:45Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  Multiple texts of people being like, so you and Baz like

• 50:51Speaker 02

  were like fighting each other in a way that like.

• 50:55Speaker 04

  At the wedding, you fought?

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Baz and Baz has a bit with me.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  Bowen, you bitch.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  Exactly. He'll run up to me at something. If we're at the same place, he'd be like, Bowen, you bitch. Oh, you bitch. And then he'll just like say that.

• 51:11Speaker 04

  I really wanna do that.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 51:12Speaker 04

  I really wanna do that. Like, next time I see you.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  To me?

• 51:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, it just sounds so fun.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Anyone can do this with me. I actually, I love the, and I black out because I'm just like having a blast.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Totally. How do you respond?

• 51:24Speaker 02

  I'm just, I'm just like, I start laughing and I'm like, yes, Baz, it's me. I'm so, so, yes, I am. I'm such a bitch to you. I just play along with it, but like I just throw my hands up.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  We gotta get him in here. I think he would thrive on our set.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  Thrive on our set.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  There's so many things.

• 51:38Speaker 04

  That's a good guess.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Like he's.

• 51:40Speaker 04

  What's this?

• 51:41Speaker 02

  He's superb.

• 51:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh my God. And such a character.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  He's like, that's, that's what it is.

• 51:48Speaker 04

  I had a, I had a Zoom with him once. That was the first time I actually met him. And he, he does this iconic thing on his Instagram where he, have you seen, he covers the camera and he says, action. And he starts filming himself. And it's so amazing. But I have not seen this on Instagram.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  Action.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  It's perfect. And so I, I'm so nervous because I'm about to do a Zoom with Baz Luhrmann. And as I said, Moulin Rouge is like formative experience.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  And I get on the Zoom and it's like, uh, it's a weird blank screen, but I can tell that it's not a digital blank screen. Like it's not, the video is not paused or anything like that. I'm like, why is it moving? I realized it's a piece of paper.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  I was gonna say it's a piece of paper.

• 52:29Speaker 04

  Being held up in front of the camera and for the Zoom, he goes, action. And it was, it was truly one of the best moments of my life.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  Like his, like that saying, like my life a movie, like everyone's life a movie. Everyone's life a movie when Baz is in the space.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  That's rule of culture number 19. Everyone's life a movie when Baz is in the space. I won't even talk to people who say they don't like Moulin Rouge. I'm like, okay, like, okay, great. You've told me everything I need to know.

• 52:59Speaker 04

  I've never heard that.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  People, in the context of Baz Luhrmann films? No, just like people who,

• 53:07Speaker 01

  I don't know. There's like an opinionated flavor of person that's just like, mm. They think it's too chaotic for its own good.

• 53:14Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  And I'm like.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  It's the point. It's the point.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  I really do, I mean, I get it. Like if you're sitting in front of it and you just don't like watching it, whatever, I'm not gonna tell you that you're wrong, but I don't.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  It's a classic example of when some, when people point out a thing that they don't like about a specific work, it's like, that's the point.

• 53:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  The point is that it's chaotic. The point is that there's like random song choices that then get translated to the musical version on, on Broadway. It's like, it is, it is on purpose. And if you don't like it, then that's fine. And it's good that you recognize that you don't like it. Like move.

• 53:45Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  It's, but it's a lot better for our culture that we have it. I, I can't see the fabric of pop culture without it, to be honest with you. Like, I remember the soundtrack album.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  Lady Marmalade.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  Lady Marmalade. I mean, just, it has dimension as a project and he is responsible for creating all of the dimensions of that, especially on something that exists in culture.

• 54:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 54:07Speaker 01

  That then he then explodes. Like it's just what it's injected with is so unique to him and so vital to everything else in the pop culture ecosystem. And it really did make him an international.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:22Speaker 04

  And he's Australian.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  Brand. He's Australian. And it was the first time, so like, I like kinda sheltered-ish culturally, like did not grow up with like Marilyn Monroe movies or like David Bowie albums. Like it was the first time I heard like Heroes. It was the first time I heard like Diamond's Zergol's Best Friend. Like I was like, it was like, it was, it is a perfect.

• 54:40Speaker 04

  Same.

• 54:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, right? It's like, it's, it's a, that's, it's a perfect answer for the question, which is, what is the culture that made you say culture? It's for me. It's like, it is a perfect, like sampling menu.

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• 58:27Speaker 01

  There's also something about giving a truly crazy performance in the blank like that. Like, you know what I mean? Like she is taking the space as the lead of that movie and giving a batshit performance. And there's no scoring or anything that's telling her like, yeah, you're matching the tone. Like

• 58:44Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 58:44Speaker 01

  They're creating a tone together and also totally underrated Jim Broadbent.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  So good.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  Jim Broadbent and Moulin Rouge.

• 58:51Speaker 04

  Who is that?

• 58:51Speaker 01

  The Ziegler.

• 58:52Speaker 02

  Ziegler.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  Like absolutely tearing it up, like, like doing something that had to feel nuts in the room.

• 58:59Speaker 02

  I know.

• 59:00Speaker 01

  But you have to just.

• 59:01Speaker 04

  I've never thought about that. That is so fascinating to me that like, they all, how did they all know? That they all must have really seen the wood from the trees. I mean, I guess testament to a good director.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:12Speaker 04

  He's like, no, no, this is gonna be mega.

• 59:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. Scream. This is a Fat Boy Slim song.

• 59:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:18Speaker 02

  Like can, can, can. It's, it's the can, can, but it's like a ream, like a 90s ream. It's like so crazy.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then he does it and then his, because it can, can, can becomes iconic.

• 59:31Speaker 04

  So good.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  So fucking good. Wait, I would say, is the new music a little Fat Boy Slim coded?

• 59:36Speaker 04

  A little bit, yeah.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  I was saying Marcy Playground, like late 90s, like grunge pop.

• 59:42Speaker 04

  There's moments of that for sure. Yeah. I mean, it's like, I, I do feel like this album, I wanted it to feel a little like, first of all, chaotic, because I think my life feels a little bit chaotic and, and, um, so yeah, I wanted it to have layers. But then also I do feel like this is the most like potent distillation of the references, musical references that have made me the person that I am. There's like, all of it is in there for me. And maybe, who knows? It might be honestly like, maybe people are gonna be like, I don't, what is this kind of thing? But I can listen through and, and like identify honestly, like moments in my life where I'm like,

• 1:00:22Speaker 04

  this sweetness of this melody reminds me of the first time that I heard like Together Again by Janet Jackson. You know what I mean?

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  That's really, really, really.

• 1:00:30Speaker 04

  So, yes, it's like, it's all in there.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  Like, I think you've been able to really, not bypass, but it's like, you don't, you've never had to do the thing that pop stars do, which is that, that we're requiring them to do now in a way where it's like, what's the authentic you? It's like you've, you've kind of been that the whole time so that you've,

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  I don't think you've ever had to earn this album, which is, these are the references that truly define me.

• 1:01:00Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  Does that make sense?

• 1:01:01Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think in a way, it's like.

• 1:01:06Speaker 04

  Uh, relief because um, yeah, I'm just kind of gonna keep doing that exact thing. Like, I, I think the whole um, like Kia asylum thing doesn't really get said about boys that much.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:01:21Speaker 04

  I don't think, right, unless I just like.

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  Cause there aren't that many of them.

• 1:01:24Speaker 04

  I think that, I think there's a, it's sort of like a spectrum of how much people nitpick at you. And I think that like pop girls have it really bad.

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:38Speaker 04

  I think that it's like insane. Um, then like the straight boys, they might like talk shit about you online, but either the straight boys just don't care, which is hilarious and kind of amazing, honestly.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:01:55Speaker 04

  Or they, or they don't get it as, as bad, you know, like, I do think that like straight boys can get away with releasing stuff that like if a queer artist or a female artist released it, I just think that they would get kind of like ripped to shreds. Um, and so, yeah, I, I think that for queer artists, it's like, or for, I guess gay guy artists, there's uh, it's, it's a weird like middle ground almost between the two where it's like, no one is expecting me to, you know, they're not holding me to the standards, I don't think of like a pop girl where it's like, I mean, I do, I, I was gonna say something about like my body. I do get that a lot, actually.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:02:37Speaker 04

  I don't know. I, I think maybe the, the like reinvention of it all is not necessarily expected from like male artists. Like I think that male artists can kind of release the same album a bunch of times and like, no one seems to be too fussed, like it'll do really well. Um, whereas I think female artists, there's this insane expectation to reinvent all the time.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  There's like a risk assessment that's like different depending on who the artist is. S- s- certainly along like gendered lines, but I'm saying, I'm not, I'm even like removing the gender of it, but like, I mean, it's good that you're acknowledging that, but I feel like you've never had to like, you've, you've given people what they've wanted. And I feel like people have been very satisfied and like thankful for that. But you're right, like, I think the expectation for like a female artist is to like have them reinvent and therefore do something risky. And if it fails, then it's like, off to the asylum you go.

• 1:03:32Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:03:33Speaker 02

  And like, that's crazy.

• 1:03:34Speaker 04

  Also, another thing that for me personally, just the way that I feel about it is like, I have never had a, like, I think the only song that I've ever really had chart even close to like, I don't, I think it was maybe even number fifteen or something like that, was Youth on my first album.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:03:51Speaker 04

  And I love my life and you know what I mean? So like, I, I don't, my metric of kind of like what I'm trying to do, I, is not really informed by that. So I'm, yeah, I, I maybe I don't feel it as much because I'm not like, I honest to God could not tell you what like my first week sales, I couldn't tell you anyone's, I don't, I like, I've just never really been like numbers minded when it comes to music stuff. Um, so that's also maybe a.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:22Speaker 04

  A thing where I'm like, I feel okay about it no matter what. I think to me, the heartbreaking thing, like rather than it only sold however many thousand or whatever, would be if it went by without any sort of like cultural impact.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  That would be the heartbreaking, that I would be devastated. Like, what am I doing this for? If, you know, if not to kind of like, at least just give, you know, cause I think back to those moments of like, first time I watched Milan Route or the first time I saw like the Dirty video by Christina Aguilera or whatever, you know what I mean? Like those things, those sort of moments, um, I'm obsessed with the idea of being able to try and give that to people, you know, where like they remember the Sweat tour forever or you know, like whatever, uh, the One of Your Girls video or something like that. I, and so, yeah, for me, I would be devastated if, if the thing came and went.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:05:15Speaker 04

  And no one like batted an eye or knew about it or anything like that. That would be a failure.

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  Of course. I don't think you have to wor- you have to worry about that because I feel like the cultural impact is like an emotional impact on an individual level. And like, I think individually, like, there's so many people who watched One of Your Girls that say, and they're like, holy fuck, like, I'll never forget that.

• 1:05:37Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  I think it's more just like the idea that people expect, they come to, I feel like when, when like a new album comes out or like someone introduces a new era, it almost feels like the audience expectation is that they're gonna get it and enjoy it right away and have a, a language about what it was and how it was contextualized, et cetera. So that's like a weird daunting thing that happens now, which is like, an era comes out and because the um, we're not talking that much about album sales because that's all traditionally broken down in the way that it was. And like, no one really knows how to talk about like, success in the many different ways you can metrically talk about

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  it. You can talk about like whether or not it's being felt. And people I think conflate that with like, and I get it too. You know what I mean? It's like, it's like with any of the recent albums that have come out, it's like, it almost feels like it landed weird if people don't know how to talk about it immediately.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:06:42Speaker 04

  I, I'm really excited about, like, I, I think that's part of the fun, obviously, is like being able to try and imagine, cause also th- this album is very, like I said, it's sort of chaotic. It's like, basically, hmm.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  It's eclectic.

• 1:06:58Speaker 04

  It's, it's eclectic for sure. And I think that um, I am very excited to give them one thing and then know, I know what's coming next, you know what I mean? And so I think like trying to kind of imagine how might this land for people, while also then having the, the sort of like confidence to be like, first of all, I have to love it.

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  Otherwise, like, no way, Jose. Um, and then.

• 1:07:25Speaker 02

  Nobody Jose.

• 1:07:26Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:07:26Speaker 02

  Nobody Jose.

• 1:07:27Speaker 04

  Nobody Jose. Sure. Um.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  That's what you said.

• 1:07:31Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  Nobody Jose.

• 1:07:35Speaker 02

  Correctamundo.

• 1:07:36Speaker 04

  And yeah, so I have to absolutely love it. And then also, I'm excited to, you know, my, my last album, my goal was like perfect pop, you know what I mean?

• 1:07:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:47Speaker 04

  Student of the school of Max Martin.

• 1:07:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:51Speaker 04

  Swedish people. And I'm like, I am fascinated by this perfect pop song that like every, the second pre chorus has a little bit more harmony than the, you know what I mean? And it's like half length and what have, all these little tricks and stuff like that you can do. So fun to do. And I will do that probably for the rest of my life. But then like a natural pendulum swing, I was like, I wanna make something that just feels very, very, very like expressive. And so I made a lot of the album with my little brother. I made a lot of the album at home. Um, and I'm kind of like excited to, um, it, it, yeah, I'm just sort of excited to see how, I, I think for me personally, this one is going to age well, to me personally.

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:32Speaker 04

  Like, I think I'm gonna look back on it in like fifty years and be able to play a couple of the songs or all of the songs and be like, wow, I'm really proud of like thirty one year old Troy for doing that, you know?

• 1:08:45Speaker 02

  I feel like all of your albums have aged well.

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  Thank you. They, they feel like, um, it's sort of corny because it's like everyone says this, but it really does feel like opening a journal from when you were like fifteen or something like that.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:58Speaker 04

  You think that you're not that different and then you go back and you like read something you wrote or you whatever. And you're like, oh my God, this is like slightly mortifying, but also very sweet.

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, and very true.

• 1:09:08Speaker 04

  Very true.

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:09Speaker 04

  It was like, I had a sinus surgery to, cause I had like a terrible deviated septum. And I can hear in my career, pre and post.

• 1:09:19Speaker 02

  Where the septum was.

• 1:09:20Speaker 04

  Where the septum was. Because I was so stuffy, like there's songs on Blue Neighborhood where I am just completely blocked.

• 1:09:29Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:09:30Speaker 04

  And thankfully that doesn't happen anymore.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh huh, uh huh. Yeah, I guess like you're, like you're like belt on blue, or not your belt, but like your, your, your placement on Blue Neighborhood.

• 1:09:41Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:09:42Speaker 02

  It's like younger, but it's like more, it's brighter and yet it's more like, it's like a dome over it or something.

• 1:09:50Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:09:51Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:09:51Speaker 02

  That's interesting.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  I think you're gonna listen to this album in fifty years and you're gonna say one word. Correctamundo.

• 1:09:57Speaker 02

  Correctamundo. Volume, what is it? Volume?

• 1:10:01Speaker 04

  Volume, oh.

• 1:10:01Speaker 02

  Volume loss. You're, I, I hope you don't say.

• 1:10:04Speaker 04

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• 1:10:05Speaker 01

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• 1:10:08Speaker 02

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• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  One of them you know about, one of them you don't.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

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• 1:10:22Speaker 04

  True, right, which I loved.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, you loved that.

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  What about, what about this?

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  What do you think, what do you think was the second?

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  The second.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  Unusual thing, the game we were.

• 1:10:30Speaker 04

  Correctamundo a lot.

• 1:10:33Speaker 04

  I just thought, I was like, that was weird.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  So you did think it was weird and there was no world in which you thought like, I guess Correctamundo is back and I didn't know.

• 1:10:41Speaker 04

  No, no. So my honest, my honest deep fear was, I was like, you know, I, I listen to the pod. I'm a reader, but I'm not like a religious reader. No offense. Sorry, guys.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  Totally fine.

• 1:10:52Speaker 04

  I'm a busy boy.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  Some of our episodes are fucking full of as fuck.

• 1:10:55Speaker 04

  And so, no, I just assumed that this was something, maybe one of the more recent episodes that I hadn't caught.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You must be like, oh god.

• 1:11:01Speaker 04

  And that's why I wasn't gonna bring it up.

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  I think, I think this is, oh, oh my god, and there's one more thing that we have to do, but it's not a secret, but it's, it's, it's a thing that you're gonna contribute to.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  But, um, I think in this, the set is really inspiring us creatively and like, we wanna do, like, I think we're gonna, we're gonna do like, games for all of our guests.

• 1:11:17Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  And I think this is a great, and like, you're, you're, you are really so easygoing.

• 1:11:21Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  And like, you're, you're really rolling with this in such a nice way. This is the new thing. Or, anything else on Correctamundo that you wanna talk about?

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  I was just thinking, I was getting excited about another thing, which is, we should figure out a way to use the phone. There's a phone over there.

• 1:11:34Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  There's just so many things and stimulus now that are in the room that we're sort of getting excited, uh, but that's a separate topic. This is what Bowen is talking about.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  We want to establish the queer handshake.

• 1:11:48Speaker 04

  The queer handshake?

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Like.

• 1:11:51Speaker 01

  So we have created the first two steps of it and we want you to help create the third step.

• 1:11:56Speaker 04

  Perfect.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  And maybe by the end of time, we will have the whole thing.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  The whole handshake. And it's like, if you know, you know, if you see someone on the street, if like.

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:05Speaker 02

  Cause like, I think like.

• 1:12:06Speaker 04

  It's just gonna get, it'll get longer and longer.

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  We'll see. We'll call it.

• 1:12:09Speaker 04

  And are you only inviting queer people to do it or?

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:12:12Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  Well, so you're on the podcast this week and then next week is Spike and Honey.

• 1:12:16Speaker 02

  Spike and Honey, and they're, they're very queer and we're gonna have them.

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  After that is Carly Rae Jepsen, and I do think we should allow her to contribute.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  She can do it.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Like Carly Rae Jepsen, I think she's earned that.

• 1:12:26Speaker 02

  She's gonna, she's gonna come out on the pod.

• 1:12:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think she.

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  She's gonna be like, surrender my heart. One of my favorite songs.

• 1:12:35Speaker 04

  Fuck, I'm sorry, I just thought about Emotion.

• 1:12:37Speaker 02

  Oh. The, the best album of all time.

• 1:12:39Speaker 01

  What's your favorite track on Emotion?

• 1:12:41Speaker 04

  Oh, um.

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  I didn't just come here to dance.

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  Dev Hines did it.

• 1:12:46Speaker 02

  Oh, um, um, uh.

• 1:12:49Speaker 04

  All That, is that what it's?

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  All That. So good.

• 1:12:53Speaker 01

  What a song. I also love, um, When I Needed You.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  When I Needed You.

• 1:12:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:58Speaker 02

  Which I think, yeah.

• 1:12:59Speaker 04

  Is, is Runaway with you on Emotion?

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  Yes. Opening track.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  Opening track.

• 1:13:03Speaker 04

  My dear friend, Nuni, wrote that song and it's like, I'm still starstruck by her.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  Of course, that's one of the best pop songs of all time.

• 1:13:10Speaker 04

  Truly.

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  Wait, what are you looking up?

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  I'm looking up what my actual favorite is on, um, first of all, you wanna come?

• 1:13:21Speaker 01

  Me, everywhere, jizzing, anywhere.

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  Not faking it.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  Not faking it at all, no need. Okay. My favorite song on this album, I think, is Your Type.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  I'm not the type of girl for you. I'm not going to pretend. Just the way, the words in which she puts emphasis.

• 1:13:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:41Speaker 01

  I'm like.

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  I'll make time for you, wailing that.

• 1:13:44Speaker 04

  That voice cuts through. That is a radio ready.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  That's radio ready.

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:13:50Speaker 02

  I mean, call me maybe. Okay. This is, this is, this is what we have so far. So simple.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  That's what we have so far.

• 1:13:59Speaker 04

  So it's sort of like a grip?

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  So it's a, boop, boop. And then like, it's burned like it's hot?

• 1:14:03Speaker 02

  And then you have, you have choices, like, you can either go back, like, reunite, or you can do like, like, whatever you want.

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  My first thought was like a.

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  So you guys do it. Is it inhale?

• 1:14:15Speaker 02

  Whatever. Oh, yeah, sure. We, we both did it. So, yeah.

• 1:14:16Speaker 01

  I guess so. And then I kinda went like a.

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, great. That's great.

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  Love it. Okay.

• 1:14:24Speaker 04

  Woo.

• 1:14:24Speaker 01

  Wait. Ready?

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:14:31Speaker 02

  I mean, we can end it right there if we want.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  For now, it's ended. And then we can see.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  Well, if we're moved to do it.

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  Let's just see what next week brings. You know what I mean? But in terms of where it's at right now, I feel really happy. I think the space is giving a lot of.

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  Like, there should be like queer handshakes.

• 1:14:49Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. 100%. I mean, there's nothing more petrifying in the world than like, a straight man walking up to you about to do something. God knows what.

• 1:14:56Speaker 02

  This is exactly where, this is exactly what inspired me. I was like, why do we all get so terrified when that happens?

• 1:15:02Speaker 04

  It's the same as, for me, when a ball gets kicked over a fence.

• 1:15:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:15:05Speaker 04

  And I'm the one standing on the other side of the fence, like.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:15:08Speaker 04

  Just terrifying.

• 1:15:09Speaker 02

  Just terrifying. I know. It's really scary.

• 1:15:11Speaker 01

  A chill just ran up my spine. I had a physical moment because I thought of when guys do that thing where they shake your hand and then they pull.

• 1:15:20Speaker 04

  Oi.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  Has anyone ever done this to you? Like.

• 1:15:22Speaker 04

  I think I'd get hard.

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  No, I know. It's really, what did you say?

• 1:15:25Speaker 04

  I think I'd get hard. I would love that.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you are on the husband hunt. Yeah, you're just looking for a man to grip it and rip it.

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 1:15:34Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 1:15:35Speaker 02

  If you're in London, New York or Melbourne and you run into Troy, make sure you pull it, run into Tro, pull in.

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  Run into the Tro, Correctamundo, babe.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  Correctamundo.

• 1:15:44Speaker 04

  Correctamundo.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  Correctamundo's tough.

• 1:15:47Speaker 02

  Do you like Correctamundo?

• 1:15:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. I, I think it was good for this episode. I don't know that it needs to be like a thing forever.

• 1:15:56Speaker 01

  You really did bail on the bit with Tro. You told him right away it was a game.

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  Cause you would have been like.

• 1:16:01Speaker 04

  I would have, I just would have loved it.

• 1:16:04Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:16:04Speaker 04

  I, I absolutely love it.

• 1:16:05Speaker 02

  At the first, you were like, I don't know.

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  No, I've never been called that before.

• 1:16:09Speaker 02

  So, I loved, the, the name Troy is incredible.

• 1:16:13Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  You, you've never wavered on that?

• 1:16:15Speaker 04

  No, but Sivan's not my last name.

• 1:16:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:16:17Speaker 04

  It's my middle name.

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  But, but, and Sivan is gorgeous, but Troy as a first name, something you're hearing all the time?

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  I've also met your cool parents, cause they came to my Christmas show in LA.

• 1:16:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  And I met them after, Troy was like, I brought my parents and I was like, hey.

• 1:16:33Speaker 02

  So cool.

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, they are cool.

• 1:16:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're amazing. They come to a lot of things with me.

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  Do they come to America a lot?

• 1:16:40Speaker 04

  They do, yeah.

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  Um, before we do, I don't think so, honey, I, we were told that we were, we would be watching something.

• 1:16:46Speaker 04

  Oh, right.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Oh, here we go.

• 1:16:47Speaker 02

  Dan, is that it?

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  Oh, I am really excited. Okay, so how is this gonna be a moment where we, oh, do you have the capabilities? I can't believe y'all are, how, you guys stay ready, so you don't have to get ready.

• 1:17:04Speaker 02

  This is an unreleased song. We've heard it.

• 1:17:06Speaker 04

  You have heard it.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  Can we say the name of the track or no? No, let's not risk it.

• 1:17:10Speaker 04

  No, but I just was, I, I'm very, very, very excited, um.

• 1:17:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, anything, anything you wanna preface for us before we, we hit play?

• 1:17:19Speaker 04

  So.

• 1:17:20Speaker 02

  I, I'm obsessed with, I have not stopped thinking about this song.

• 1:17:22Speaker 04

  Really? For the readers at home, I am playing them the second single from my album, She's the Best.

• 1:17:29Speaker 02

  And, and this is going to be played.

• 1:17:32Speaker 04

  But.

• 1:17:33Speaker 02

  Everywhere.

• 1:17:34Speaker 04

  The music video, I'm just so proud of it and so excited about it, that I was like, I kinda just wanna show them.

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  Oh my god, thank you for.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  So this is when I have to say, Terry O'Connor, you do have to come in here and make a cameo to open up the laptop. And Terry's gonna come make a short cameo to open this up.

• 1:17:50Speaker 02

  Culture Digest's Terrence O'Connor.

• 1:17:53Speaker 01

  You know him, you love him. On the husband hunt as well.

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  On the husband hunt as well.

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  Come in here and unlock this.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  Culture Digest. Yes, come. No, it's not. We need Touch ID password. You gotta put your finger on it, honey. There you go.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  This is a great moment.

• 1:18:11Speaker 02

  Say, wave to the camera. Okay, all right.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Hey, everybody. There he is.

• 1:18:14Speaker 02

  There he is. Okay, we're gonna press play. Ready?

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  Pressing.

• 1:18:17Speaker 02

  Play. I, I wanna do brightness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  Get away from me, Mike.

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Can I go around the back?

• 1:18:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, come, come, come.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, come around.

• 1:18:26Speaker 02

  Sit, sit, sit.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  Sit. Oh, okay. Oh, my god.

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  This is already stunning. Oh my god. Oh, come on, this is, what? When, how did you do this?

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  Oh?

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  I'm really happy.

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  This is huge.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  Oh?

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  Really good.

• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  The location scouting must have been really fun. That's all I'm gonna say. Oh my god. Ah.

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 1:18:58Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  That was amazing.

• 1:19:02Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:19:04Speaker 02

  You know how to press. You know how to press with the eye contact.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 1:19:10Speaker 02

  Oh my god, uh, Tro.

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  In it.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Yes! That's gonna be a huge fucking moment, bitch. Unbelievable.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  My god.

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  That was incredible.

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  I, um, I don't know how to like overhype that. I'm so sorry.

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  Thank you, thank you, thank you.

• 1:19:30Speaker 01

  That is really fucking cool. You are galvanized. Like, you have not.

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  Are you, um, okay, without revealing too much, you're, you're like, you're in your dancing bag.

• 1:19:40Speaker 04

  In that video?

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  You kind of were already.

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  You were already, but it's like, it's like.

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  This is, like, Rush was amazing, and Get Me Started was amazing, but like, this, this is like, this is like a level up.

• 1:19:51Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:19:52Speaker 02

  I think.

• 1:19:53Speaker 04

  It's, it's so, it was so interesting, because I think, um, dancers, like, pick things up like that, and it's so crazy.

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy. I don't know how.

• 1:20:00Speaker 04

  The first time I tried to dance was for Rush, and I remember thinking, like, it's, it's, I, these are neural pathways that I just don't have.

• 1:20:08Speaker 02

  I don't have those.

• 1:20:09Speaker 04

  It was so confusing, and now it feels a little bit easier, where like, I feel like I can look at someone and be like, damn, their core is really tight right now.

• 1:20:19Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 1:20:19Speaker 04

  While they are doing that. You know what I mean? It's like, kind of, you can understand what that would feel like, whereas before I had no idea.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:20:26Speaker 04

  I just didn't, like, kind of, there was no correlation between seeing what someone was doing and knowing what it would feel like.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  Everything about that video is.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  And Troy, you really.

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  What they should be.

• 1:20:37Speaker 02

  You really gotta, you really gotta keep it going with all the acting stuff, too.

• 1:20:43Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  You have such presence.

• 1:20:45Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:20:45Speaker 02

  It's like, really incredible. You're really fucking good on camera.

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  Thank you. I just feel like, I have friends who sleep, eat, breathe acting.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  I totally get this.

• 1:20:57Speaker 04

  And I have never been like that.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  You don't have to be.

• 1:21:01Speaker 04

  I, yeah, so it's just like, it's not something that I, like, I'm dying for.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  I mean, it, I feel like, it's that thing of, because you have so much to give, you should only give.

• 1:21:17Speaker 02

  What you want.

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  It to a project that's gonna like, actually, you know, so I get what you're saying, because there's a lot of people who it's like, yeah, because they are an actor, and they're gonna grind for that, and they're gonna want that, they should be given certain opportunities to do it. I feel like you're not gonna be someone that's just gonna take a part, because you want to act, because you know that there's like, something that feeds your soul that you're able to do.

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  And so if there's gonna be an opportunity for someone whose soul is gonna be fed by doing something, I totally get that, but, but.

• 1:21:49Speaker 04

  I just know how I feel about music, and I'm like.

• 1:21:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:51Speaker 04

  I am so obsessed with it.

• 1:21:53Speaker 02

  Then that's good. You don't have that same feeling towards, towards.

• 1:21:57Speaker 04

  I haven't, but maybe if the right project came along, I would feel differently, or maybe it's about, maybe I need to be a bit more involved, like, on the production side or something like that. Because I just find music really stimulates like, every part of my brain, and then showing up and acting, I just, I don't know, I, I enjoy it, but it's like, like I said, I'm not like.

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  There's so much built, my thing with, at least, uh, for film and television or whatever, it's like, there's just so much, and even with like, theater, it's like, there's so much buildup to it.

• 1:22:25Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  You're not doing it really, like, it doesn't feel complete until it's like, until it's done, if that makes sense, until like, you're doing it in front of, you're, you're presenting it, but with music, it's like, I'm sure you, you, you understand this, it's like, the building of it is the thing.

• 1:22:41Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  And then it's another special stage of it when it's being presented. It's like, there's, I don't know, which is not to say that that's not true for acting, but it's like, for you guys, it's like, the fact that you're, if you're near music, if you're near music being made, like, with Matt's album, it's like, you're just gonna jump in there.

• 1:22:55Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  There's no second thought about it.

• 1:22:56Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  It's cool.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:59Speaker 02

  Wow, that.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  I am shook, and that's, I, honestly, it's like, I wouldn't have placed it in that world.

• 1:23:05Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 1:23:05Speaker 01

  And now I'm like, that's, that's the world in which it will live forever, which is such an interesting, um, experience to have.

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  It's like, I don't know, actually, I know exactly what I heard when I first heard the song, which, we're not gonna say what it is, but now that I have that visual context for it, it's just so exciting, because you realize there's, um, boundless opportunities for its visual context.

• 1:23:30Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 1:23:32Speaker 01

  Blank in the, wherever you want, really.

• 1:23:34Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. I know, I mean, it must be really confounding for everyone to like, not know what we're talking about, but just like, trust that you will, there's no way you don't love it. That's all.

• 1:23:44Speaker 01

  You're gonna wanna take repeat rides.

• 1:23:45Speaker 02

  That's for sure.

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  Um, well, that was fucking incredible. Thank you for sharing that with us, and stay tuned. Do you have any dates to share about things, about the album and stuff?

• 1:23:55Speaker 04

  You're asking me about my dating life again.

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  No, I mean, like, in terms of like, when, when we can expect this stuff.

• 1:24:01Speaker 04

  It's, you know what? I have no idea.

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:04Speaker 04

  What will be known by the time this comes out.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  Okay, cool.

• 1:24:06Speaker 04

  So, all I'll say is, it's a very quick rollout.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:10Speaker 04

  It's a very quick rollout.

• 1:24:11Speaker 02

  Is that good or bad?

• 1:24:12Speaker 04

  Great for me.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  Great.

• 1:24:13Speaker 04

  Love.

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  Love that.

• 1:24:14Speaker 04

  Absolutely love. Especially, I think, because it is such a kind of like, eclectic, or, uh, you know, I, I think maybe people, humbly, I made it, obviously, I think this, I think that the album is best experienced when listened top to bottom.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  Great.

• 1:24:28Speaker 04

  It's like, it's a journey, you know what I mean? And so I think, um, that's also kind of why we wanted to do a quick rollout, is I'm like, I just want people to have the whole thing.

• 1:24:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  That's very generous.

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• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  Time for I Don't Think So Honey?

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:28:33Speaker 01

  This is our 60 second segment. Where we sort of, you know, just, we let loose on a topic that needs, that needs a reckoning. And I have something.

• 1:28:45Speaker 02

  Fabulous.

• 1:28:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so. Honey's time starts now.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  Okay, so I don't think so, honey. Apparently on Disney Plus, there is something called The Descendants, which is about the descendants of like, it's like the children of like Lumiere and Mrs. Clock. What's her name, Mrs. Clock? Mrs. Potts.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  Potts.

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  I don't think so, honey.

• 1:29:05Speaker 02

  Cobsworth is the, oh, yeah.

• 1:29:06Speaker 01

  I don't think so, honey, that I need to think about like how these things reproduced. Um, it's all about like, oh, like even though it's his son, is he gonna be a lot like his dad? It's like, I, I understand we're living in a world where like, oh yeah, this inanimate object is for, this is for children and it has a daughter. But I, I just feel like I can't stop thinking when you're talking about like, oh, are they gonna be just like their mom? Why would they be? All right, because they had parents that fucked. And I don't want to think about like Mrs. Potts and Lumiere having sex. Like, I don't think it's worth having the show. And I'm in a great place with Disney right now. We had an amazing time at the theme parks.

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  But I just, I personally don't think so, honey, that I need to think about like, you know, right after Be My Guest, like she was like, that was amazing, baby. And then they fucked. And as a result, like now we have a little child from The Descendants.

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  And that's one minute. Now, I have so many questions.

• 1:30:02Speaker 01

  Same, I guess.

• 1:30:03Speaker 02

  Didn't they all turn back to human?

• 1:30:07Speaker 01

  Right. So Becca Ramos.

• 1:30:11Speaker 01

  In the, in the series, The Descendants on Disney Plus, can you just double check? Are they little inanimate objects, household things? Or are they humans?

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  People who were turned into by that witch.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  I wouldn't want to watch a show about them if it was about the human version of them.

• 1:30:28Speaker 04

  I have no context for this whatsoever. I've got no idea what you're talking about.

• 1:30:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:39Speaker 02

  So then they can turn into things.

• 1:30:41Speaker 01

  Sorry, what? They have non-human heritage?

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

  It's live action on Disney Plus. It's like expanding the universe, like the kids, the descendants of these characters.

• 1:30:51Speaker 01

  So it's like, you know, Mrs. Clock.

• 1:30:53Speaker 02

  Mrs. Potts.

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:00Speaker 02

  It's, it's.

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  It's descendants of a bunch of Disney characters.

• 1:31:04Speaker 04

  Ah.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  It's all there and for they're all for some reason, human teenagers and the whole thing is like, am I gonna be like my like fucked mom and dad who has a spoon and a clock? Or like, am I gonna be like fucked like my mom's, like my dad's scar? You know what I mean?

• 1:31:17Speaker 04

  So is Jafar's son? He's human or?

• 1:31:21Speaker 01

  First of all, Jafar having a son is crazy to me because he's about as gay as the day is long.

• 1:31:27Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:31:27Speaker 01

  Oh, surrogacy, yeah.

• 1:31:28Speaker 02

  Surrogacy.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  Okay, so can you, Becca, can you check in the show, did Jafar have a son by surrogacy? And that's why we can believe that he procreated?

• 1:31:38Speaker 04

  Never mind the fact that his son is human.

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  He's human.

• 1:31:41Speaker 04

  He's human. Oh, my God, you're right.

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, Jafar's human. He can just become a snake. Jafar and who? It's gonna be like, he had a girlfriend named Megan in college. Like Jafar and Jafar and Megan haven't spoken, but Megan came to the, I guess, what, where did he live?

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  Agaba.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  Okay, it sounds, feels like this is an involved answer from Becca. And I, I know enough to know I still don't think so, honey.

• 1:32:05Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 1:32:05Speaker 01

  But it, especially after hearing that some of them have, in, in your words, non-human heritage. Like my heritage is half cupboard, half Italian.

• 1:32:21Speaker 01

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  Right. That's not, that's not a human heritage. Although, but what we're forgetting is that they, they worked all human at one point in Beauty and the Beast.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:32:33Speaker 01

  I don't know. I, I just wanted to bring it up.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Look, this is our podcast. I just wanted to bring it up.

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:38Speaker 01

  Um, are you, do you have anything to say on this topic?

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  I'm ready. No, I'm, I'm ready. And mine also has to do with, um, the work of Alan Menken and Howard Ashman.

• 1:32:47Speaker 01

  Okay. Oh, great. Um, this is Bowen Yang. So I don't think so. Honey's time starts now.

• 1:32:51Speaker 02

  I don't think so, honey. The story of Little Shop of Horrors, I did not understand and realize until we had seen it off Broadway this weekend. An amazing performance.

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  Loved it.

• 1:33:03Speaker 02

  Run, don't walk, Eaton Slater, Clayborne Elder, Betsy Wolfe, incredible cast of Little Shop of Horrors. I have always been familiar with the music in all my life. Howard Ashman is one of our greatest lyricists, writers, composers, or, or, I'm sorry, lyricists and writers.

• 1:33:17Speaker 01

  30 seconds.

• 1:33:18Speaker 02

  Sad ending. That's all I'll say.

• 1:33:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  Really, kind of Shakespearean. Well, yeah, I guess it's, it's like a 30 year old story at this point.

• 1:33:25Speaker 01

  Much longer.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  Everybody dies.

• 1:33:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  The 30 plus, 40. Everyone dies.

• 1:33:32Speaker 01

  15 seconds, yeah.

• 1:33:33Speaker 02

  It's kind of sad.

• 1:33:34Speaker 04

  Well.

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  And it's about the Faustian bargain of fame, which we're all familiar with, aren't we? And, um, I guess that pretends doom for us.

• 1:33:42Speaker 01

  Five seconds.

• 1:33:43Speaker 02

  We're all gonna get eaten by the plant. And that's what fame is.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  That's one minute. I hadn't thought of Little Shop of Horrors as a Faustian bargain with fame today.

• 1:33:53Speaker 04

  Wow, yeah, that didn't cross my desk either.

• 1:33:55Speaker 02

  Isn't that what it is?

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  I think that what happens a little, are you familiar with Little Shop of Horrors?

• 1:34:00Speaker 04

  Absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  I think you would really like this show.

• 1:34:03Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:34:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:04Speaker 04

  You know?

• 1:34:05Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  You don't like?

• 1:34:06Speaker 02

  Madonna's alive.

• 1:34:07Speaker 04

  Musical gay.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  That's okay.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  You're not?

• 1:34:09Speaker 02

  Madonna's alive.

• 1:34:10Speaker 04

  I just, I didn't grow up with it.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  You hate Wicked? You loved it.

• 1:34:14Speaker 04

  I, I loved it, but I still would, I was like, I, this is not my culture. I don't know what's going on.

• 1:34:22Speaker 02

  What if someone, what if someone was like, we're gonna make a choice of our musical?

• 1:34:26Speaker 04

  I would say that's a bad idea. Uh, genuinely, like, no, and, and I love it. I, I love it. It's the same reason that like, I've never seen, that sometimes when things get so big and involved.

• 1:34:39Speaker 02

  I understand.

• 1:34:39Speaker 04

  There is a culture here that I'm not a part of.

• 1:34:41Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:34:41Speaker 04

  Like, it is too late for me to start watching Game of Thrones. It is too late for me to, I don't know, you know what I mean? Like, there's just things that I don't know about, and I'm kind of okay with that.

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  As a lover of music, doesn't it appeal to you?

• 1:34:55Speaker 02

  You don't have to know. It's a safe space.

• 1:34:58Speaker 04

  I'll, I'll, let me do mine.

• 1:35:01Speaker 01

  Here's what I'll say to you before you do yours. Little Shop of Horrors would be a good one for you because it's dark and in a way kind of queer. And.

• 1:35:08Speaker 02

  Very queer.

• 1:35:08Speaker 01

  It's like, not something that if you watch, you wouldn't be like, because you don't love musicals already, you're not like comparing it to everything else, which I would think would help see it as like, this like weird alt kind of bizarre piece of art. Cause it is.

• 1:35:26Speaker 04

  I didn't grow up in a city with a lot of theater.

• 1:35:30Speaker 01

  You weren't exposed.

• 1:35:31Speaker 04

  And so my first exposure to theater was when, um, I did it for the first time.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:37Speaker 04

  And when I was like 12. And I loved being a part of it. And I was like, wow, this is incredible. But even then, I remember being like, people were talking about musicals that they loved and they had like listened to the soundtracks and stuff like that. And I was like, oh, my God, I've totally missed this boat. And I just never really caught it.

• 1:35:53Speaker 02

  It is a culture, yeah.

• 1:35:54Speaker 04

  Maybe it'll happen later in life for me.

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  Where like, yeah.

• 1:35:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, fall in love with it.

• 1:35:59Speaker 02

  Well, speaking of, I'm sorry, I interrupted you. The, speaking of catching it, it's like, it is, it reminds me of like Pokemon.

• 1:36:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:36:04Speaker 02

  Where it's like, well, have you seen this and this and this? Or it's like, I've collected this and this and this.

• 1:36:08Speaker 04

  Oh, right. Like, it's the kind of culture. Musical name.

• 1:36:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:11Speaker 04

  Have you seen this and this? I'm like, no, girl. I haven't seen any of it.

• 1:36:13Speaker 02

  You thought Pokemon was a musical game?

• 1:36:15Speaker 04

  I thought you said, have you seen this, this and this?

• 1:36:17Speaker 01

  This, this and this.

• 1:36:19Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  The musical. This, this and this, the musical is a great title.

• 1:36:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, it actually is.

• 1:36:25Speaker 02

  Title of app is Correctamundo of this episode.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  Correctamundo is so, but there's also volume loss.

• 1:36:32Speaker 02

  Volume loss.

• 1:36:33Speaker 01

  There's a lot going on titles wise in the episode. I did want to say one thing, which is it's crazy that the big version of your Wolverine is Mr. Musical.

• 1:36:41Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 1:36:43Speaker 04

  And, I mean, Mulan is one of my favorite movies.

• 1:36:45Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:36:46Speaker 04

  It's not, it's not like an absolute no-go zone. I just need, I need maybe a, maybe I should add this to the criteria for my husband. Someone who is willing to handhold me.

• 1:36:56Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:36:56Speaker 04

  And teach me.

• 1:36:57Speaker 02

  That's love.

• 1:36:58Speaker 04

  About musicals.

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  Um, okay, you ready to do your I don't think so, honey?

• 1:37:01Speaker 04

  Sure, I think so.

• 1:37:02Speaker 01

  Here we go. This is Troye Sivan's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now.

• 1:37:06Speaker 04

  I don't think so, honey, singing.

• 1:37:08Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:37:09Speaker 04

  I am not fishing for compliments. I'm not that good at it. And I'm okay with that.

• 1:37:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:37:16Speaker 04

  But I think sometimes I will be in the car and I'll sing, and it's just me. And something so. Diabolical will come out of my mouth, but I'm like, I truly scammed the world. And the fact that I have the same job as Beyonce is just an insane thought.

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  Thirty seconds.

• 1:37:36Speaker 04

  But now I will say, I care a lot about tone and storytelling. And so I do, I, I understand, I, I get it. The, the real magic though, is when somebody has tone storytelling and they can sing, sing like Ariana Grande, Whitney Houston, Sade, these are like, you know, technical, but I'm just saying that the, the idea of me doing karaoke or like singing at any point where I don't absolutely have to, I will not do it and, and it's not that fun. It is fun at my shows because I'm in control, but any other time, absolutely not. No, thank you. Doing TV performances, hell on earth, hell on earth. The least fun thing you can possibly do as a human being.

• 1:38:15Speaker 01

  I don't think so, honey, he says, and that's his one minute plus.

• 1:38:18Speaker 02

  And now it's time for Troye Sivan to sing.

• 1:38:22Speaker 01

  Well, here's the thing.

• 1:38:23Speaker 04

  Even Happy Birthday, like, I'm just like.

• 1:38:25Speaker 02

  Oh, no, well, that's, yeah.

• 1:38:26Speaker 01

  I remember, I remember when we were at Brett's together and I was for the first time ever putting like background vocals on something and you were saying like, that's like one of your favorite parts. Because it's like scaping, you know what I mean? It's like, it's not the quote unquote singing part. And then I remember you said, like, I barely sing. And I remember I heard you say that, and then in the back of my mind, I was like, that's so funny that he said he barely sings.

• 1:38:49Speaker 04

  I, I am a good like talk singer.

• 1:38:52Speaker 02

  No, no, no, here's what's happening. You are placing, uh, you're, you're, you're placing value in a kind of vocal quality that like people prize.

• 1:39:05Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  But like, just cause you, just cause you like, don't sing the right note in the car, doesn't mean you're a bad singer.

• 1:39:12Speaker 04

  No, no, I'm, I'm being self-deprecating because I really do, I really do value, um, like some of my favorite singers are not very, not very good, you know, technically, like maybe they've got a very small range or something like that, but I like believe them, you know? But like I said, the magic zone is when somebody can just do all of it. And that must be so fun. If you're, if you're Ariana.

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:31Speaker 04

  Or if you're Whitney or whatever, or like Zara Lassen, that would, that must be so fun. To be able to just like do that all the time, you know?

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  But even there, even Ari is like, on this album is like, I'm not gonna give you like the belt. I'm gonna keep it like really restrained.

• 1:39:46Speaker 04

  She can do, she can do it all. Like she, her restraint is gorgeous. Her belt is gorgeous. Like, you know, there's, there's an endless possibility.

• 1:39:54Speaker 01

  The thing that she said recently, which is, I think sometimes people forget about Ariana when they're talking about the fact that she's not belting on her recent albums, like people know she can. It's that if anyone knows her voice in the, and what it can do, it's Ariana Grande. She literally is someone who is a studied vocalist. So when she is not doing those things, it is on purpose because that is how, what best suits her musical output. And I think she even says, while she knows her voice is super special, she actually thinks her best quality is her ear and the way that she can hear everything together because as an artist, her voice is not her only instrument.

• 1:40:34Speaker 01

  So if she's like allowed to do whatever the fuck she wants with it and, and she's still using the entire breadth of her artistic tool.

• 1:40:45Speaker 02

  And guess who also hates karaoke?

• 1:40:47Speaker 04

  Who?

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  Ariana Grande.

• 1:40:48Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:40:49Speaker 02

  We invited her to go to karaoke, to come to karaoke with us after her show, which was, and then I laughed.

• 1:40:55Speaker 04

  To be fair, I'm, I'm surprised, like I'm acting surprised, but I also think.

• 1:41:00Speaker 02

  Singers don't like it.

• 1:41:01Speaker 04

  Yeah. If you're a singer and you like go with your friends and then you sing in front of them, like, it's like, everyone knows that you can sing.

• 1:41:08Speaker 02

  We just wanted her to come and like hang.

• 1:41:10Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:41:10Speaker 02

  Cause like her friends were like, like, like, we, we were all going, like her friends were all going. And then we were, I was like, come to karaoke. And she was like, I'm not gonna do that.

• 1:41:21Speaker 04

  Everyone must think that she's gonna like, it must be no fun. She has to go up there and sing like a perfect, you know, insane performance. And that's the gag of the night. Like, no, what if she just wants to like get drunk and hang out with everyone and sing terribly?

• 1:41:34Speaker 01

  But can you imagine if she was the kind of person that was like, I'm coming. And then she was like, no chance, no way. And did like all, ran the show and karaoke and be like, huh, I didn't expect this. I don't know if I love it.

• 1:41:46Speaker 04

  There's a powerhouse, like famous, amazing diva who loves karaoke and does it like full out.

• 1:41:53Speaker 01

  Is it Adele?

• 1:41:56Speaker 01

  That's, that's, that's charming. That makes it. I knew that about her.

• 1:42:01Speaker 01

  That's, that's what a gag it is. It's like, I love that, that.

• 1:42:05Speaker 02

  It's a personality thing.

• 1:42:06Speaker 01

  I'm coming and I'm shredding. I think Kelly Clarkson too loves karaoke.

• 1:42:09Speaker 04

  See that, that, no, that is really fun. I take it back what I said. That's really fun for, to be there while they do that.

• 1:42:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh my God. No, it would, I, also I have a friend of ours, years and years and years ago, was at a wedding. This, I was at the same wedding as Cynthia Erivo. This is like pre, this is like post, um.

• 1:42:26Speaker 02

  Color Purple.

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  Color Purple, but pre her being Cynthia, in the way that we know her now. And I guess at some point, How Will I Know by Whitney Houston came on. And Cynthia just in the middle of the floor just gave How Will I Know full power, like no mic. Just while they're all dancing at the wedding, like everyone's just on the ground, like enjoying How Will I Know while the band or the DJ played. But then Cynthia was like absolutely giving people eye contact, ripping How Will I Know. Everyone was just like, oh, like it's so good.

• 1:42:58Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:42:59Speaker 04

  Everyone nutted.

• 1:43:00Speaker 01

  Some people just love to sing. Troy has to go. The little computer over there is saying, which breaks our heart because this has been so fun.

• 1:43:07Speaker 04

  So fun, guys. Thank you for having me.

• 1:43:09Speaker 01

  This is, I really feel like this is gonna be a very special moment for you and you deserve it.

• 1:43:13Speaker 04

  We'll see.

• 1:43:14Speaker 02

  Let's sing a song as we end every episode.

• 1:43:16Speaker 01

  Okay. Should we go to an oldie?

• 1:43:20Speaker 01

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