"Visual Identity" (w/ Matt + Bowen)

Finally, Las Culturistas has a SET... and it has SET... them free. It's a brand new Las Cultch as Matt + Bowen neurally link and ride to the beach, to the stars and to heaven in this long-awaited culture catchup! Bowen discusses taking on the role of Mary Todd Lincoln (!!!) in OH, MARY (or shall we say BO, MARY!?) on Broadway (9/15 - 12/6!!!) and being ridden like a Banshee by a Navi acting coach. The boys discuss the albums of the moment: Confessions II, petal and, of course, C, XOXO, and confront themselves about why they haven't seen The Odyssey. Also, how Zara Larsson could be Jimmy Buffett if she wants, what it feels like to recover from a panic attack just in time for the Hilary Duff concert, and meeting Rosie O'Donnell in the wild... on Broadway! All this, Abdul El Sayed's "Positions" energy, the regional pronunciation of the word "Michigander", and "face acting" in film. All this, a shout out to Disney Cast Member Angel from the Kilimanjaro Safari in Animal Kingdom (we will literally never forget you), a highly awaited discourse on Peacock's SMASH HIT The Five Star Weekend (!!!), and due respect paid to The QVC Woman aka Toni Brattin, who we will hold on to forever. Real Miami girls get it poppin ❤️ See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  We've been talking about Cupi Mayo for a minute now, and wow, so many of you already love this stuff.

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  And if you're thinking, wait, what is Cupi? Do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise, the one with the red cap.

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  What makes it different? Egg yolks. Cupi is made with egg yolks only, giving it this rich umami flavor.

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  That elevates everything.

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  Chefs use it, restaurants use it, where chefs work, of course. Food and flavor lovers use it.

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  You haven't tried it yet? Well, find the red cap and see what everyone's talking about, why don't you? Cupi, the original Japanese mayonnaise. Cupi.

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  Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Is that culture? Yes. Las Culturistas.

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  Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. Look around.

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  At how lucky we are to be alive right now.

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  Why does it feel like a brand new thing?

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  New podcast.

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  It feels like we're in a-

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  This is episode one of Las Culturistas.

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  And we need to take for granted, this is, yeah, this is a first. This is a, we have never actually had a look.

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  Visual identity.

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  We've never had a visual identity. And therefore, we've never really had an identity. This podcast, one of the things, it's received critical acclaim. It's won the iHeart Podcast of the Year Award twice. It's never had an identity until today.

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  This is, this is the best set I've ever been on. And that includes Wicked.

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  I would move in here. And that includes Wicked?

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  That includes Wicked.

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  Say that again on the mic.

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  This is the best set I've ever been on, and that includes Wicked.

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  And we're also talking about the vibes. The vibes in here are better than that of Wicked.

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  Enerk, Damris, our amazing production designer, everyone in this room, y'all fucking tore this shit up. This is amazing. Round of applause for everybody. This is amazing. Thank you, guys.

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  And in a second, we're gonna fly in the champagne, but not before we say this. There's a fridge here. The thing is, we're living in a post-There's a fridge era. Look what he's got. And by the way, we haven't been recording, like, live, because we took a little break.

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  Yes.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  The amount of times that Celsius has come up on this podcast, why aren't we the face of Celsius?

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  I don't think, I think they're too, I think they must have some exclusivity with the Theo Von's of the world, where they're like, we can't give those gay guys.

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  Well, one thing I'll say is, we really are giving it away for free.

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  We are.

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  We are, we're just-

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  And, yeah. Meanwhile, like, we slay an ad read.

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  Listen, if you write us a good, if you write us a good ad-

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  And if you, if a human being writes us an ad-

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  Which is what, which is what brings us to the topic of the episode, which is AI.

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  Wait.

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  We obviously are-

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  What is that? No. I, today, this morning, Greta shows me some girl, random girl, God bless her.

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  Love random girls on the internet.

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  Greta just goes, you need to see this. It was a girl at the beach going, I mean, can we just pause for a sec on how terrible data centers are and just say, please pick up your trash off the beach? And that'll make things a little better.

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  Beginning.

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  She wants to start at the very beginning.

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  She wants to, she's saying, there's so many things we haven't figured out yet before we move on to data centers, which is so complicated. We can all agree, pick up your trash on the beach.

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  I, and she's not wrong, but she's not right.

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  I have to tell you, there are so many people out there who are so incredibly wrong whilst being incredibly right.

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  Us? We're wrong all the time.

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  You'll see today, many times. You ask for a culture catch-up, you're gonna get one. And let that be the occasion.

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  Let that be occasion. And speaking of occasions, let's fly in the flutes and the champ.

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  Real glass, so everyone be careful.

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  Everyone be careful.

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  They didn't make the set safe for us babies. Okay, Volve Clickco, I feel like Mariah, and it's the 30th anniversary of Daydream, so I should.

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  Of Daydream. Oh, and there's an amazing, thank you, thank you, sir. Love when, love when a handsome guy pours me champ.

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  Well, we have to usually go to some sort of airline for that.

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  Yes.

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  Talk to one of those gay guys who, who run the show. Oh, flight attendant, that's what they're called.

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  That's what they're called.

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  To them, to us, and to-

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  Day one of this podcast.

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  Day one of this podcast, and we said, maybe this is the 500.

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  Yes.

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  I can't believe y'all.

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  I bet we're closer to 600 than we are 500 at this point.

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  It's so crazy we haven't said something yet. It is, can I say, I'm now clocking minutes into this podcast, it's so crazy that the first thing that happened, and that we've already cheers, and if you think we're not gonna cheers again, you're deeply mistaken. You're one of the wrong people. Bowen will be starring in Oh, Mary as Mary on Broadway!

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  Quing.

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  Quing for a third time!

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  I don't wanna talk about it. No, I'm happy to talk about it.

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  Don't ask him about his process, you vultures.

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  I'm happy to talk about my process.

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  Can we, though? Because I, I've known about this now for-

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  It's been months.

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  It has been a very long time, and it's hard, it's hard not to say that Bo Nang is in Oh, Mary.

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  But the, I had, you know, I had to, like, lie a bunch.

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  Yeah.

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  I had to do the thing where people were like, I heard, and I'm like, oh no, it's, it fell through.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  It's, it fell. Oh, you went as far as to say, in the reality, you confirmed that it happened and it fell through.

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  That, because I was like, that's the best way to sort of-

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  Most credible.

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  It's most credible because Sam put the fear of God in me. He was like, it was just such a bummer because Maya, the news about Maya leaked before we announced, and it was just a real fucking bummer. And I was like, oh no, I better keep this under wraps. I'd been telling everyone.

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  Yeah.

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  How soon after you found out?

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  Dude, I know.

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  About-

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  I'm also trying to figure out when you told me.

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  It was like a week after, because you were still, you were in LA, like, I wanted to tell you in person.

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  Flitting off.

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  Flitting off?

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  I was flitting off in LA doing god knows what.

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  Hmm. What have you been doing in LA?

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  We're not talking about me yet. Don't worry, guys, soon, you're getting some of me. But, okay, so you, you're saying process.

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  Process. So, literally, could not have happened without you.

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  What?

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  Because who do we run into at the Tonys but the queen, Michelle Urenowitz?

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  Yeah. So, I knew Michelle from school.

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  Yes.

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  She was a standout actress. She's become your acting coach in this regard.

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  She's become the-

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  The girl.

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  Girl, the movement queen. She throws, she throws. She holds classes for anybody.

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  Yes.

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  Via Tish, I believe.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've only ever known her as being the coolest person I've been in a room with when I was in a room with her. And then, actually, we had never really met until that night.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  I didn't really meet her, I didn't really meet her until, like, the summer either.

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  Right. And so, then I am thrilled to hear, I think because I told you I had this great conversation with her, that you were gonna work with her for Oh, Mary.

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  You inspired me.

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  I'm happy to inspire. Always happy to inspire.

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  But you always do.

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  Okay, so you've been cracking shit open, or what?

• 8:53Speaker 02

  Yes, and this woman, she, she gets elemental with it. Because I've, I've, like, worked with people before, like, in a, in a coachy capacity.

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  Yeah.

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  And it's been great. It's just like, I walk away from them being like, okay, I think I get it.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, but this, you're mysteriously getting it.

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  I'm so-

• 9:13Speaker 02

  In the pocket is not the right term. I just, I, I'm, I'm, I'm neurally linked. She, I am her Banshee. She is my avatar. She is my Navi.

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  She's riding you, but you're neurally linked.

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  I am.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Neurally? Could it be a word? We'll find out.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  It is a word.

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  Neurally?

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  Neurally, yes.

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  N E U.

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  Sounds like a startup, but yes.

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  R A L L Y?

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  N E U R A L. Yeah, you got it. What are we doing? Oh, wait a minute.

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  Trusting you.

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  An adverb. Absolutely.

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  We are neurally connected. It's actually rural culture number three.

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  We are neurally connected. Who's the Banshee? Who's the Navi?

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  This is so fascinating to think about.

• 9:53Speaker 02

  I think we swap.

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  I think you are the brain.

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  You look, you look, and this is a compliment, you look like a Navi.

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  I've been told this so many times and it came up again, obviously because we did go to the world and we'll get to it. Again, soon, don't worry, guys, because you're gonna get a lot, a little bit more of me and Disney updates. But first, this. So.

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  That's all. I'm, I'm so excited.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  So you're neurally linked to someone who is guiding you to.

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  Yes, to the beach.

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  In an avatarian, Navian sense.

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  Cause where do they go in Flight of Passage? They go to the beach. They go everywhere.

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  Everywhere. Um, you guys, in Flight of Passage, and we're gonna get more into it in a little bit. But they go everywhere. The beach, the stars, heaven.

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  Heaven. Now, uh, and funnily enough, she also worked with Miss Betty Gilpin.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Who, you have to watch Widows Bay.

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  All I've heard is that, okay, so I wanna say two things. One, I will watch this because it's, you're.

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  It's so for you.

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  It's, it's, I'm incapable of resisting the idea of Betty Gilpin slang.

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  You said.

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  So that's why I watched The Hunt.

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  You said this about Lady Gaga during art pop era when you were like, yeah, yeah, I like Gaga. But you said the words, I will always be interested in what she's doing.

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  You remember that I said that?

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  Twenty thirteen.

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  By the way, I was like, what, twen- like.

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  Twenty two.

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  Twenty two years old. I'm saying I will always be interested in what Lady Gaga is doing in art pop era.

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  That means a lot.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  Can I say, I was recently confronted about what my top three Gaga albums were.

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  Okay.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  You can't take art pop out of that top three.

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  No way.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  You can't. You can try physically to attack me. I have studied the ways in which people try to wrestle art pop from a Little Monsters top three. You won't be getting that here.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  I don't think that happens anymore.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  Well, not anymore.

• 11:51Speaker 02

  But back in the day.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  We've had to be very vicious in our defense.

• 11:56Speaker 02

  I think we're gonna have this treatment to Chromatica.

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  I already see it starting and I'm not interested in having the conversation, but just know I'm learning how to defend myself against the attacks. Unless they come.

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  So Widows Bay.

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  Should they come?

• 12:11Speaker 02

  Should they? Widows Bay, I think you would enjoy.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  I have to, I have to watch it. I will say, people don't necessarily understand how sensitive I am when I say I'm sensitive because I had a what? Panic attack before the Hilary Duff concert because someone described to me the Perez Hilton video. Someone described it to me?

• 12:32Speaker 02

  Which was their first mistake.

• 12:34Speaker 01

  I hit the ground.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  This was a good friend of yours who should have known not to go into detail about the Perez Hilton self mutilation.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  Dave Mazzone doesn't know better than to not do that at this point, and that's why I love Dave. Cause he will just be himself.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  No matter what, always.

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  I love the man.

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  Love him.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  He.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  He, I was, I'm, I'm like.

• 12:54Speaker 02

  Didn't he know that you were a little bit stoned? Can we reveal?

• 12:57Speaker 01

  Well, let's just say, I was at one of, I was at one of my favorite restaurants.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  Before seeing one of your favorite artists?

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Before seeing our girl.

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  Oh my God, I'm so sad I couldn't go.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Bowen got sick.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  I got sick.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  You, you think Disney germs were the culprit?

• 13:13Speaker 02

  None of y'all got sick.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  Melissa got sick.

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  I think there's something.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Tactile. And I do want you to say, we're making a lot of people brave today.

• 13:25Speaker 02

  Born This Way Foundation.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  One of the things about this, this podcast, Last Culture Ecess, is it's one of the key elements of the Born This Way Foundation. And we've been working with Cynthia for years.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  Oh my God. Wait.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  By the way, I know we're gonna talk about the girls today, but I just wanna say, I'm having such a Gaga moment again.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  I'm just, I'm.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  What's, what, what brought this on?

• 13:50Speaker 01

  I don't know. Can I tell you something?

• 13:51Speaker 02

  You were watching interviews of her.

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  You know how there's famously three eras? Circus, Surveillance, Well, Christmas? And then there's another one.

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  Circus, Surveillance and Christmas.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Circus, Surveillance, Christmas, and then like summer. Like, like summer.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Sure, like Zara Larson right now.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  And maybe forever. I do think Zara Larson should be summer forever and I'm gonna tell her that.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  When she comes. Cause I think she has an opportunity if she wants to be Jimmy Buffett coded. And someone should take that lane. I don't want it to have to be me.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  No, and, and it should be a Swedish person.

• 14:28Speaker 01

  I'm just saying, Zara Larson at this rate could have a Margaritaville if she wants that.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  Funny enough, she's, she gives you.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  It's the seashells, it's the delectable pop.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's the delectable. It's, it's, it's like a Swedish gummy.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  So I guess what I'm, what I'm trying to say is I, I just, I feel like when I'm listening to Gaga, I'm having more fun. And a lot of the girls right now are discussing in their music lyrically, this is how I feel about my station in the public eye.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  Authenticity, which plays into Surveillance, which we are now, which is bearing down on all of us.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  And I think it's like, it's kinda like, sometimes they all get the same idea, but in different ways. Because I think it's obviously a cultural response and I think they're all sort of responding to comment and perception culture at the same time. Um.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  It's the Taylor, Charlie, Ari trifecta at this moment.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  They're all, at this time, have recently like gone about authenticity in their own individual ways.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Yes. And so mayhem was just a moment a bit ago that we weren't doing that. I will also say, this opens up a huge avenue for me to be enjoying the fuck out of Confessions 2. Which we have not discussed on this podcast because we haven't not had the opportunity to do so.

• 15:54Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly.

• 15:56Speaker 01

  Danceateria feels like a song we've always had.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  Well, it's, it's Vogue new.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Basically.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  It's like, these are the names of people I love and, and here we go. And this was the vibe at Danceateria.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  I hope that if I ever run into Debbie Mazur on the third floor, that we, that it, whatever we're doing turns into a party.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  Well, well Debbie, I have to imagine that Debbie's a little bit like, fuck. Now that's, this is what everyone's gonna be saying to me from the, for the rest of my life.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Do you think she's mad though? Where did the champagne go?

• 16:23Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Oh, you, oh, you, so you brought her all the way over there.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Debbie and Madonna have a really, I'm just gonna, I'm totally conjecturing.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  Debbie Mazur came up, I feel like I should have a full champagne glass.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  Debbie, um, and Madonna have such a beautiful and also complicated, thank you. Thank you so much.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  Oh my God, we also have to talk about speaking of beautiful and complicated relationships with Madonna. We also have to talk about who we ran into literally the other night after Little Shop of Horrors when we went to, yes, say it with us, Barcentral.

• 16:53Speaker 02

  Rosie.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Rosie.

• 16:54Speaker 02

  O'Donnell.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  O'Donnell. We just ran into her.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  And the first thing she says to us is she looks at Matt and goes, you said that nice thing about me at the Tonys.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  And then I grabbed both, and then I grabbed both her hands in mine. Both. I said, and I clutched them and I said, I did. And it's because I love you so much and you should have been up there. And then she was like, she was like, you know, that was very kind. She, she didn't like agree and say, yeah, I should have. That did not happen. She remained graceful.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  I don't think she wants to be on a stage. I think she's fine with being on a watch what happens.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  I don't think she wants to be on a huge platform on display like that. So, so that like the, you know, the people that she's dealt with.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  One hundred percent. I do just think sometimes, and don't worry because we then quickly pivoted to how much she needs to come on the podcast. And I do think we'll have a time with her.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  I think we would have a time.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  Um, but I will say that.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  We would, I think, benefit from the healing moment that would be restoring Rosie O'Donnell to a place where she can entertain us en masse, because I think she's one of the most important and effortless comedian slash host and who really put that first part first that we've had the privilege of being able to have access to. And the fact that our access to her was just cut off for me is shitty.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  I agree. I think a lot of the cut offness is her own choice.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  And I don't think we should force her out into the open.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Although it's, it's, it's, it's an invitation, at least to come here.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Of course. Although she did.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Take our show.

• 18:44Speaker 02

  She did. It did surprise me and delight me that she was so flattered by your comment.

• 18:51Speaker 01

  First of all, and then I realized you hadn't met yet. So you had never met her.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Never met her.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  So I turned around like, do you know Bowen? And then she said, I believe you guys clasped both hands.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  I don't remember. I was blocked out. I, as in like, I was emotionally.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Now, let me correct the record.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  No, I was not. I was not on anything. I was just, I was just, I was very emotional meeting her.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  I, for some reason, knew that you would feel that way.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  It's Rosie O'Donnell.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, not since Meredith Marks have I been so sure that you would need encouragement.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  I was thinking about you.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  What?

• 19:26Speaker 02

  That you would need encouragement, that you were so overwhelmed after meeting Rosie the rest of that.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  No, I, I honestly like, it must be the medication talking, because I am not nervous anymore to like, be like, hey, like, I don't know. I would have went under the table two years ago.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  I love this.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  Under the table. Was that, is that anything? It must be the medication talking. Is that anything?

• 19:53Speaker 02

  Sounds like Jimmy Buffett.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  It's, well, Jimmy Buffett could never.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  He was never on meds.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  And I want to just respectfully, because I realize what I just did. I said Jimmy Buffett could never after I sang. That wasn't the way Jimmy Buffett sang. You know what I mean?

• 20:06Speaker 02

  But it sounds like a meatloaf Jimmy Buffett. Like, it's like some kind of.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  It was kind of giving, not Kenny Rogers, but not not. You know what I mean? Who sang? I'm zooming the stream. Yeah, Kenny Rogers, right?

• 20:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  Why? Where are my Kenny Rogers people? I'm looking at every single person in the eyes and it's like, oh, there you are, Becca Ramos. There's my Kenny Rogers girlie.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  Must be the medication talking song. There is none.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  Well, I knew what I, I knew what I was doing was brand new. I was just asking, is it anything like, is it a hit?

• 20:39Speaker 04

  It is not a hit.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  You?

• 20:42Speaker 01

  It is not a hit.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  Your next album is supposedly about vacation, but I think you can make it, you can sort of fold in the surprise, which is it's about being medicated.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Well, I'm going to Grand Rapids for four days to see the boys actually over Labor Day weekend, so I may actually put pen to paper.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  I love that. You should go to Sagatuck.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 21:07Speaker 02

  I think it's the gay, it's the gay lake. It's the Epcot.

• 21:10Speaker 01

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• 21:14Speaker 02

  Probably not. I mean, I'm just.

• 21:15Speaker 01

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• 21:16Speaker 02

  Amazing. Well, I just, I, I will, one of my favorite moments ever, I'm realizing, was just her on that German show being like, I have a problem with the fact that I, that it's hot and there's no air in here. I'm suffocating.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  I'm suffocating.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  Open the door now. It's unbelievable. I can, and the best part, she says it for the end. She says it for the end. And then she goes, just give me a fan.

• 21:42Speaker 01

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• 21:43Speaker 02

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• 23:54Speaker 01

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• 25:22Speaker 01

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• 25:26Speaker 02

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• 25:27Speaker 01

  Did you guys also change that?

• 25:28Speaker 02

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• 25:29Speaker 01

  Did you change everything for the better? Why am I about to burst into tears?

• 25:33Speaker 02

  You're so emotional. So the, so the medication is not stopping you from feeling emotion?

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Well, yeah. I mean, I could still, certainly still have a panic attack. I'll say with the way I hit the ground, to say nothing of, by the, by, and by the way, I was back in like 30 minutes.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  And I, God, that Hilary Duff show looked amazing. She brought a good Charlotte. She's saying.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  She brought out good Charlotte.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  They sing the anthem, part two.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  Yes, they did, Bowen. The one that goes, this is the anthem, throw all your hands up, yo. Don't wanna be just like you. Which, by the way, kicked off a whole couple days of nostalgia listening for me. I ended up listening to Yellow Card.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Last night. Can I just say something? Broken, these fragile things now. And I can't. I can't pick up the pieces.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  We could really, we had a really nice, because like, we were, we were forced to listen to a bunch of different shit all the time.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. We had eclectic taste because you had to use the radio and they had to answer a lot of people.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  Oh, by the way, she was amazing. Why is Roommates?

• 26:43Speaker 02

  The best song. Why is mature still the best song?

• 26:45Speaker 01

  By the way, you know who we were next to? Doug Peck.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  Just love being at a show with Doug Peck. Because I look over during the singing and he, and he opens up his eyes to be like, yeah.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Michelle Urenowitz is the Doug Peck of acting, to me.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Really good to have that person in your life.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  Witchy legends who know the fucking craft.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  What are you most excited about doing in O'Meara?

• 27:14Speaker 01

  Is there?

• 27:15Speaker 02

  The, I hired another coach, Actors Accent Access. She's a, she's a lady who lives in the UK. And for the audition, I was like, I want to go Scouse or Brummie, Birmingham or Liverpool.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 27:31Speaker 02

  Even though in the script it does say Cockney and Sam, if you want to push back on this and rehearsal.

• 27:35Speaker 01

  You haven't yet had this conversation.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  I'm prepared to do it Scouse. I'm prepared to do it Liverpool.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  I think that that would be good, even just from hearing you say that one word, I think it'll be good. I think you need to follow your heart.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  Cause the way a Scouse person would say.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Liverpool.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  She would, she would go rip the trousers. It's like almost, it's Scottish. It's, it's very groundskeeper Willie.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  Um, I'm excited to do that. I'm excited to do.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  The medley?

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Have you, the medley, I'm so nervous, but yes, I'm so excited.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Why are you nervous?

• 28:10Speaker 02

  It's, it's just a lot, it's just a big.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  Give it some zazz.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  I mean, it's just, it closes out. I mean, not to spoil, but it's just, it's an amazing, it is a reverie. Like I have to, I have to meet it at the reverie. Anyway, um.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  September?

• 28:27Speaker 02

  Fifteenth through December sixth.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Through December.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  I will not be on October third and fourth.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  What's happening then?

• 28:33Speaker 02

  My dad is getting an award for engineering in Washington DC. And I, he's treating it like the biggest honor anyone's ever received in the history of the world. Which it kind of is, and I love him.

• 28:46Speaker 01

  Then Hannah Solo will.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Hannah Solo will tread the board.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  You're gonna get to spend so much.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  I can't wait to hang out with Hannah.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  By the time it's over, you're gonna be inseparable.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  That's what I'm most excited about is hanging out with Hannah and like Julian and like Barrett and Philip, like everybody. Like I'm so, like, that is such a great group. I went to go to, I met them at Din Tai Fung one day. Because it was Simu's last weekend and Simu took them all out, cause Simu was Mary's teacher. And Simu took them all out to Din Tai Fung and he was like, come. And I was like, and that was right when I was like, I think I'm gonna do it. Um, and we all ate dumplings together and they were, it was just such a sweet vibe. They were like, we love, like everyone just loves each other. It's so cute. And then they, they're like, Meg's having a great time with them.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  It looks like it. I mean, they're up to their antics.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  They're up to their antics.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  I do have to go see that.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  I have to see Meg.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  God, I have, it always feels like, um, you turn the corner and there's, cause now they announced Lolli is gonna do it in the UK.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  I know.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  And I was supposed to, I'm also bummed. I'm not gonna be able to see Ari's tour. I was supposed to go to.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  I know.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  UK. Now I'm not, not going anymore.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  Darn it.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  She's singing pedal.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  I know. She's singing some of pedal. So shall we about pedal?

• 30:00Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  Pedal, for me, it's like horny enough where it satisfies the pop star Ariana thing.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  And like, I don't know, lyrically, like, is it actually this feral thing that's saying everything and going whole, no holds barred? No, but she, she, the way that she kind of like

• 30:22Speaker 01

  characterizes her, her audience here, which is like that perception, the people that are talking about her, works as Ariana Grande as well. Like, like I do and big feelings, I think are about the subject of the audience, but she's able to map them in ways that I really enjoy.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  Ariana Grande doing.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  I think the feralness, the feral, if that's the right word, the noun, I think that is, um, in the conception of it, but I think in the execution of the album, it is like about restraint.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:57Speaker 02

  She like, she's gonna belt at the fucking show. She's not gonna belt. She's gonna keep it well-placed and ethereal on the track.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:08Speaker 02

  It is in conflict very purposefully with the production, as in like the noise, which is like what this album is about. It's about her versus the noise of being like one of the most like talked about people.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  And

• 31:27Speaker 02

  pretty genius, I think. And I think, like, a lot of people have a lot to say about like, what is she singing about? What is she frustrated about that she's not being specific enough? But I feel like it's, the specificity is all projected in that it's like already preconceived by the, by the audience.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  It would feel cheap if she were to come out and be like.

• 31:45Speaker 02

  This is what I'm.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  This is exactly how I feel. I feel like what makes her the daughter of Mariah to me is that in retrospect, Mariah still allowed you to project a lot onto her early music.

• 31:56Speaker 02

  She never sang about Tommy.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  She was never like, Tommy's doing this to me. It was like, even in Butterfly and, and all through Emancipation even, like, how she was feeling about her circumstances, because Mariah, just as much as Ariana, was picked the fuck apart. And always found her craft to be her like guiding light through that. So for me, it's like, the way that Ariana is also the daughter of Mariah is she's thinking about things in a more artistically.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  And musically holistic way. Ariana Grande knows what her voice can do, just like Mariah did. And she's scaping a track, like Ariana Grande is saying, this is the way, cause I think she's even said that her most.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Her actual talent is not her voice, even though she knows it's technically special. Her real talent is her ear.

• 32:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Her, her voice is not her only instrument.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  And so she's using the instruments that she has at her disposal as a producer to create this thing. And to me, it's like, that's why she's just like far and away the most technically proficient and therefore inventive pop star that we have.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  That's why she's on Ableton or Logic or whatever.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:07Speaker 02

  That's like, she's, she gets, she's in flow state because this is her real art.

• 33:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  Is, is putting, is putting these sounds together. That's why like that, that video goes viral of her doing Positions.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Where she's layering and she's like, move that back. I want to come in on the, like, it's.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  She, she's, she gets all galaxy brain with that.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  I think that is what people are maybe not totally bringing to the fore with this conversation. It's like, this is all incredibly by design. She's been recording since January, February.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  The songs are, the songs are very adaptable to her and the audience, right? Like.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. You, you want to look back on these albums and be like able to project on them. You don't want them to feel dated or like they're trapped in time, which like, I don't know. I don't think everyone is as successful as she is when they try to tackle the perceptions. And when, when an artist decides, okay, like, right now, what I'm gonna focus on is everyone else focusing on me. That is tough to accomplish because you don't always succeed in not just feeling like a total narcissist who has all these tools at their disposal. Like she's creating a lot of stuff. Like I don't need to know anything about her to have sex to like I do.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, I don't care. That's also, I'm, I'm on the record that Positions was my fuck album of the pandemic.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  You've said that.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  I don't need to know anything about.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  It was everyone's fuck album.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  Not like me. If you had seen me.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  Positions was my election album, unfortunately.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  An election and.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Cause it came out around November 2020.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  I mean, it certainly did. Well, what was my election album?

• 34:56Speaker 02

  We all had one.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Everyone says song of the summer, bitch. What's your album of the election?

• 35:00Speaker 02

  Election.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  That's Real Culture number eight. Everyone says song of the summer, bitch. What's your album of the election? I mean, I will say that I've never seen such a Positions-esque candidate than Abdul Al Zayed.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  What does that mean? Hotty.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  What I'm saying is I think that people saying he reminds them of, of Obama, I think what you're saying is you would, you, you are attracted to this political candidate at this moment.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  You want to take your.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  And he's also inspiring in, in an actual way.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  You want to take your oven mitt, your, your mitten or whatever they, they call it in Michigan.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  I think they call, they call it all sorts of weird things. I'm so, I, I'm, I'm so happy to have a break from discourse where you hear this word said this way. Michigander.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  I don't think we're having a break from that. I don't think we're having.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Never shade.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  We're about to go into an election. The primaries are.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  So aware of that.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  But Michigan is very, and you're about to go there.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  I am gonna go to Grand Rapids, but I'm gonna see people who don't say it like Michigander.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  How are you supposed to say it? I'm sorry.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I'm not here to teach a Shakespeare, acting lesson about Michelle, you're Anna was herself. Move mitt and more.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  Move it and more.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  But I will say something like, this would be nice. Michigander.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  Michigander.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Michigander.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  You wanna, you wanna be a little British inflection Madonna with that. Get me, just give me a fan.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  Just get me a fan. Michigander. Well, she's a Michigander.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  She's a, ah, there you go. It goes back to Madonna slash Michigan.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  It's actually Real Culture number six.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Madonna is a Michigander, is a Michigander. I can't even think to answer a question.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  Even think to answer a question.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  So funny. She's so funny.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Okay. We have to reveal something.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  What?

• 36:50Speaker 01

  We actually were supposed to host her album release party in New York and she was coming on the pod. And unfortunately it didn't work with her dates. They had to move around and we were, because we needed.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  A break.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  We were committed to having a break in July.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  And the break was an occasion for the set to be built.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  It was the reason for the season that is the set.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  I just want to say.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Get into it.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  I was real, can I, can I just, you will feel so vindicated.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  The entire time we were in the black, sort of liminal space.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  The void.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  The void. You were like, I don't, I don't know. And I was like, I don't, I think it works. It's very like anti-set. Like every podcast has a set right now. I think ours, it's so refreshing that ours is just black curtains and white chairs.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  I never liked it.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  And I, and I have to agree.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  But I'm always willing to try things, gentlemen.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  I just, I, I, I want to apologize.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  You don't have to apologize to me because it's good that we tried. Everything happens for a reason. Are you, is this clocking to you?

• 37:58Speaker 02

  You said to me after you, uh, panic attacked to the Perez Hilton moment.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  And then rallied for H stuff.

• 38:06Speaker 02

  And rallied for H stuff. I was like, oh my God, are you okay? I can't believe that happened. I'm so sorry, you said. Sometimes it doesn't clock to people that I'm so sensitive. And I was kind of a bitch and I was like, yeah, it really doesn't clock to people.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, but then I'm on the ground, like in SoHo. Fully me on the ground in SoHo. It took me three tries to get up.

• 38:27Speaker 02

  Were you like all like, like?

• 38:29Speaker 01

  I'm all because someone simply described what happened.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  So then it was SoHo. It was SoHo, like at like, like during like happy hour time.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  I would, I would describe the time as being 6:15 PM.

• 38:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, you were on the ground and people were just kind of walking past you?

• 38:48Speaker 01

  They hate me in the streets, Bowen.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  But when they hate me in the streets, they see me coming in the streets.

• 38:55Speaker 02

  The streets, the streets are a little bit, the streets are a little bit, uh, suffused with something manic right now.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Oh, you don't say, could it be Amazon like humidity? Which was something I saw actually reported.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  They described it that way?

• 39:13Speaker 01

  Let me also get you in to my perspective on this. I, I'm at, I get a text, again, at a time I would describe as 6:15 PM, from my friend Alyssa, oh my God, I have a random ticket that I got. I ran an extra ticket to Olivia Rodrigo.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 39:32Speaker 01

  Pop up show at Warsaw in Greenpoint. Tiny.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  Tiny space. Tough.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  I go there, Olivia, you are the girl, you are the one. It was 110 degrees in the space.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  You suspect that she cut a few songs from.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  I have a feeling, cause she didn't play Vampire.

• 39:53Speaker 02

  Didn't play Vampire and didn't play Begged.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  Didn't play Begged and didn't play Vampire. That's not to say that the setlist wasn't incredible. She's now at the point where she's got three excellent albums and things are gonna get cut.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  Cutting the show short.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Someone I was with was mad that she chose to do Making the Bed instead of a couple of things. And I was like, you better let that girl do Making the Bed if she wants to do Making the Bed. Let her do Making the Bed. Also, another thing I love about that crowd, not kids. Right. Cause you go see Olivia Rodrigo on concert and it's like, okay, there's kids screaming.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  You never know.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  This was like cool Brooklyn people in their twenties and thirties.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  Warsaw, Greenpoint.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  She was great. It was 120 degrees. Then I looked it up and they were like, oh, it's because temperatures are coming up from South America up the East Coast. Like, I guess there's some weather event happening where it's like bringing Amazon-esque humidity to New York. Like the other night, it was the Amazon.

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was the Amazon.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  At the Olivia Rodrigo concert.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  It was the Amazon when I went to go see Shmigadoon. If there's a place to be while there's Amazonian humidity in New York City.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  It's seeing a delightful show.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  It's at the Nederlander, like.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  It's at the Nederlander.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Seeing Shmigadoon. Excellent show. I was very, very gagged.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  They, I mean, they, they put on quite the show there down at the Nederlander. Yeah, she's kind of a lethal weapon of being funny and talented.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  And I was like, I can't believe I'm, I'm, I don't know, I'm gagged.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  I know. And then you talked to her after and she's like, hey.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  How are you?

• 41:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. She met my parents. That was a delight.

• 41:27Speaker 02

  I know her kids' names. Francis, Ulysses.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Her kids are icons.

• 41:32Speaker 02

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• 45:06Speaker 01

  All right, I did make a little bit of a list here so that we don't make that, okay? And let's just actually read the list as I wrote it because I think we, so we went to Disney.

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  And I wrote down, I will literally never forget you.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  We went on the Kilimanjaro Safari at the Animal Kingdom. A ride that some might say you kind of do to pass the time if you're waiting for Flight of Passage.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  I.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  Not anymore.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  I hadn't been on the Kilimanjaro Safari ride for many years.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  It's at Disney's Animal Kingdom. Should you want to go on?

• 45:46Speaker 02

  We were rained, not rained down.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  What happened was Avatar went down, okay? And sometimes rides, they go down.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  And it's not an indictment, it's just what happens sometimes with these technological marvels. And so we had to, we had time.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  We had time, our.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  We went on the Expedition Everest. We had one friend with us, Patrick Foley. He didn't do so well on it.

• 46:10Speaker 02

  But the start of his arc was, that was the start of his arc. By the end, he was loving.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  Life.

• 46:16Speaker 02

  Loving life.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  Twice.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  On Detron twice, adored Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  Uh, and then, but then, no, to, to wait for our time at Flight of Passage, we went on the Kilimanjaro Safari Tour. Our driver and our guide.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  We were the luckiest people.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  Star cast member.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  Angel.

• 46:37Speaker 02

  Throughout the entire property.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  Literally named Angel.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  Named Angel.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  Saying things like, I was hoping to see these girls, referring to flamingos.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was hoping I would see these ladies.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  I was hoping I would see these ladies or, or, or a group of elephants.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Oh, they're over there having a key.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  Look, those elephants are having a key.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  Uh. What else did he say?

• 47:02Speaker 01

  And then, no, there was one moment where we were, we were about to start the tour. And we were kind of, you know, feeling our oats. We were like, woo, excited for the, not tour, safari.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  Safari.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  Which, by the way, it's actually really, it's really culture number five. A safari is a tour of animals.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Animals.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  So we finally start and before he's about to pull us into the safari area, he goes, and I can't even lie to you. I'm actually really excited.

• 47:35Speaker 02

  And then.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  The best.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  The best. And then towards the end, we see, we see a wild ostrich.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  Walking alongside us.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Kind of like showing off.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Angel says, ooh, look at her stomping the runway. And then as we disembark, we were, we all gave Angel a huge round of applause.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  Huge.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  A star.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Because we also saw so many animals. It was a little overcast. We saw a lion.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  And that.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  The lion was crazy.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  The lion perched, regal. We were like, this is crazy. Apparently that is the time to go. If it is overcast.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  This vibe.

• 48:12Speaker 02

  There were zebras.

• 48:13Speaker 01

  This is, this is a pillow on the new set. I don't know what to do with it.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  And I was saying, it's too specific to be AI. It's too like a pink zebra with like.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  I just.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  Goat horns.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Can I, can anyone answer where this came from?

• 48:29Speaker 02

  We'll ask Damaris.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  This we have to know more about.

• 48:33Speaker 02

  We have to know about the artist.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, we have to know more about this because it's like, everything is so, and there's a lot of jungle, like animals in here. It's kind of giving the Kilimanjaro safari.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  I wanted the panther. I requested a panther.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  You did? Okay.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. I was.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  What about her? Is this a monkey?

• 48:48Speaker 02

  That's a monkey. Um, yeah, there's a lot of animals.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  Oh, there's a whale tail?

• 48:53Speaker 02

  Whale tail. My favorite.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Responsible way. And then obviously these. Okay. So anyway.

• 48:58Speaker 02

  So, okay. So then as we disembark.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  We applaud Angel. We say, we love you, Angel. Amazing job. Amazing. That is the time to go on the Kilimanjaro safaris when it's overcast because the animals are out.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  Angel says these words.

• 49:13Speaker 02

  I will literally never forget you.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  I will.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  Literally never forget you. And I was like, that is.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  I was just like.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  An ear hit for the ages.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  I went on the Disney app.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  I left a great comment.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  And I left a comment.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  I commended Angel.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  I had never done this before in my life.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Angel, if you're listening, anyone who works at WDW, please send this one to Angel at Animal Kingdom.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  You have to, like, if you get Angel driving your safari, know that you will literally never forget. And I also want to say thank you to, we went there and imagine, we met Imagineering.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  We met Imagineering.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  We did the rock and roller coaster starring the Muppets.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  So we are, the occasion for going was after we had a, after it was our honor to host Miss Piggy at the Culture Awards to promote.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Honor was ours.

• 50:04Speaker 02

  The honor was ours to promote the rock and roller coaster starring the Muppets. Disney Imagineering invited us to the parks.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  They did.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  And then gave us an amazing experience.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  We did do the rock and roller coaster.

• 50:18Speaker 02

  Fabulous.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  And it was fabulous. I, I, we had one thing after, which was where was Miss Piggy?

• 50:26Speaker 02

  But without.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Found out.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  She's in the, the pre-show.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  She's in the pre-show. You get a different pre-show. Our pre-show featured Kermit.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  And I was happy to see him.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  I was very happy to see Kermit.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  And don't worry, because this is why you do repeat ridings.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  This is why do you repeat ridings?

• 50:40Speaker 01

  That, that's how you get Miss Piggy.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  And I have to say Kermit is dressed in a hoodie.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, Kermit looked hot in it.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  Kermit looked hot.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  Not me thinking Kermit was hot, watching the pre-show of rock and roller coaster starring the Muppets. And then Kermit comes up and you're like, interested.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  Kermit with the.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  I said, and I was, I was kind, like.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  Kind eyes and a, and a big mouth.

• 51:05Speaker 01

  You know who kind of gives Kermit? Phrase?

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Phrase?

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Fraser.

• 51:11Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Kind of gave Kermit.

• 51:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:14Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, like in, in so many ways, in all the best ways.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  Really sweet.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  So sweet.

• 51:20Speaker 02

  I know.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Little slip of a thing.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 51:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's Kermit.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  He's kind of Kermit.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  That made you piggy.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Absolutely Miss Piggy.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 51:33Speaker 01

  Hiya.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Hiya.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  It's all good there, by the way.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  I know.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  Everything's wonderful. It was just literally, whoa.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  Isn't there?

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Open up the phone. When will I see you next?

• 51:44Speaker 02

  Never. Well.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  You're like, okay.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Isn't there, can I just say, in our thirties, isn't there nothing better than like an amicable separation?

• 51:52Speaker 01

  There is no room for anything but that.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  I don't think. Well, and it, it would bum me out so much.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  I know.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  To have like that go down again. But I will say, I'm definitely dating again because I went out the other night and.

• 52:06Speaker 02

  I don't like this guy.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Well, I had one of the, it was one of the worst kisses in recorded history and it did happen in Central Park. And he also did that little bit, little bit of a thing. And lovely guy.

• 52:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:18Speaker 01

  But little bit of a thing where there was like some weird little choking.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Hands on the clavicle.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  And I was like, I was just like.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  Wait a minute.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  Well, this is dating in New York. Sometimes you die in Central Park.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  I wanted this lifestyle. Move back. That Carrie Bradshaw lifestyle. Sometimes you're just getting a little choked out and.

• 52:41Speaker 02

  A choke on the first.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  Park itself.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  A choke on the first kiss is really wild.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  Which was going bad.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  In public.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Which was going bad. I mean, no, no, no, don't worry. It was, it was in a place in Central Park that was extremely private. No one would have known if I had died.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Right. And he did say, he did that thing that sometimes happens.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  When, when you're on a date, when you're, let's say Matt Rogers.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  Or someone with a podcast, he goes. And I'm not a fan.

• 53:14Speaker 01

  I'm not a fan. And I was like, oh, okay. Cause I did have to ask, cause like, cause I did one time go on a, on a date. I was dating someone who about six dates in.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  Was like, I'm obsessed with you.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  Was like, I actually have to tell you something. I'm a huge.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 53:30Speaker 01

  Guest. Allowing me to like have said so many things.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  It's not like with you where it's like, you're bow and yang and so they know who you are. Like I occupy a different tier, which is like, they may not. So when I'm on a date with someone, having a nice time, I do sometimes, I'm like, can I just ask you, like, what is the familiarity with me? Because I believe anything.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  And he let me know that he was not a fan and that, um, I was like, well, I, as a C-list celebrity, I kind of have to ask. And he, and I didn't know if it was a joke or not. I was like, I would say you're more D-list. And I was like.

• 54:06Speaker 02

  That's his way of flirting.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  But for me, I think it was like a way of flirting and I was just like, oh, maybe that's funny. But then minutes later, I would have a terrible kiss and be getting choked. So it's like.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  For the maybe that's funny, like that's.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  Don't worry. I hung out with him for two more hours.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  We're so back.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  There's literally, and Celeste said this when you were telling us this over drinks the other night.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  They were like, you can just like end the date early. Just be like, I, I gotta go. I don't.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  Can I tell you something? I wasn't having like a bad time.

• 54:37Speaker 02

  Totally. But it doesn't need to be a bad time for it to be like, this is, this is a waste of time.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  It, I didn't even think it was a waste of time. You know what it was like? It's like, you know, when you're on a date with someone and you're like, this is weird. But it could become suddenly hot at any moment, which usually just means, let me drink more. You know what I mean? It usually just means like, maybe what I should do is just wait this out and see if it gets interesting. AKA I get drunk.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  And then I remembered, oh, right. I'm 36, not 26, despite the fact that everyone on every dating app is 26.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  So you can change your age range.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  Gotta figure out how to do that, I guess.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  Because definitely, certainly most stuff, I'm seeing all 26-year-olds. And they're all in private equity, which did you hear? Is the hot new accessory this summer, a private equity boyfriend?

• 55:33Speaker 02

  Hot new?

• 55:34Speaker 01

  Hot new accessory.

• 55:36Speaker 02

  Accessity?

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Hot new accessory.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  Oh, like.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  Is of course the private equity boyfriend.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  Love that. Love what they do, which is to kind of drive down value.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  Well, I think it's like a rite of passage to tell everyone what you stand for and then go opposite all of that because of dick.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  It happens all the time.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:04Speaker 02

  And I think we should.

• 56:05Speaker 01

  Allow people to do it once, maybe twice, depending on the dick.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  Do it a couple of times.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  You, you get to do it, you, you get to be, it's like you get to be Laverne Cox. You get to date a cop just to try it.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:17Speaker 02

  You know?

• 56:18Speaker 01

  I completely understand that thing of being attracted to.

• 56:22Speaker 02

  She didn't date a cop. She just dated a MAGA person, right?

• 56:25Speaker 01

  Well, I thought she dated a MAGA cop.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay. Anyway, it was both. Okay. Okay. Here you go.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  I get being attracted to something you absolutely should not be attracted to. And it must suck to be in the public eye and also have that like thing where you don't want to shut down your life or you don't want to, you know? And then all of a sudden like, oh yeah, you made that mistake you're supposed to make in private. You fucked that person you're supposed to be fucking in private. And you're in public. So now you're kind of.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  This is what I'm saying. This is the authenticity trap and people who listen to this podcast love that word.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  It's, it's giving surveillance state.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Oh big time.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  It's like, hold on, why the fuck am I supposed to like? It's, it's fear of being seen, it's the anxiety of being seen, it's like, we're all sort of like, it's like, reject all cookies, reject all cookies.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  Because to be seen is to be judged, which is to be, you know, perceived and then understood as being something that didn't.

• 57:28Speaker 02

  And most likely, it's, it's a misunderstanding.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  So anyway, whatever.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  But that's, that's interesting to even think about the fact that like, that's what everyone, it feels like, is talking about right now in art. Because I do feel like all the, um, like, you know what I mean? Like, even in a weird way in films, like with like Disclosure Day and stuff. It's like, it's like, if, if people knew everything, this isn't exactly a good one to one, but it is like.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  No, no, no, but it's, it's pretty applicable.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  It's about how people might feel if they had the, the real or the right information.

• 58:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  And it's like, that's kind of interesting in our culture that that's even such a topic. It's like, we know this and you know this, and that is the tension that every, that exists in everything.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  Is it's like, you know, this lack of understanding.

• 58:17Speaker 02

  Despite almost total knowledge or something?

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  Or not almost total, but just like a set of facts that like people, I haven't seen the movie.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  Me neither. Can I tell you what's driving me? Actually, it was gonna be, I don't think so, honey, maybe it still will be. When people talk about someone's, when people talk about someone's face acting.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  That's attracting, Zendaya's face acting.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  Zendaya's face acting in this scene was amazing. Do you mean her acting? What, what, her face acting? Like when someone, like, cause it just came with Disclosure Day, at the end, the reporter.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  Yes, and everyone's gagged over her.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  Who lays down, they were like, her face acting was some of the best face acting I'd ever seen. I was like, guys, what? She's also acting with her body and just remains still in this moment.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  You mean nonverbal, which is sly.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  I don't know. I guess, yeah, yeah, maybe what they're trying to say is her silent performance here.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 59:14Speaker 01

  What she did with just her eyes, or what she conveyed in this moment.

• 59:18Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  Her face acting suggests a removal from the physical body.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  Suggests like an absence of anything facial during dialogue.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  Correctamundo, Bo.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  Correctamundo, Bo?

• 59:32Speaker 01

  Trying it out.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  I like it.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  Correctamundo.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Bo.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  How about this?

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Bo Mary.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  It's gonna be.

• 59:39Speaker 02

  Oh, you, you, you coined Bo Mary.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  Bo Mary.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, go.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  We're, after we record this episode, Troye Sivan is coming in to talk about all sorts of things and being Troye Sivan.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  We should drop Correctamundo into the episode.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  Correctamundo, Troy.

• 59:58Speaker 01

  Until he calls it out.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  We should call him Troy until he calls it out.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  You wanna call him Troy?

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  I'll call him Troy.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  Troy. You, you, you, here, here's what we're gonna do, and you guys can see next week if it panned out. You try calling him Troy like a bunch and see when he, when he calls it out.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I bet, I bet I'm not the first person.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  And I will say Correctamundo until he calls it out. And then if he's able to by the end of the episode, and please keep us honest here, Becca, can you keep us honest about this? We will say, so there was actually a hidden game happening during the episode, and we've never done this on Lost Culture.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  And.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  What was weird about the episode?

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  And then if he says like.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  And he'll say something else.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  You were calling me Troy and you were saying Correctamundo.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  That's really good. And I actually wanna try something with him that we should start on this episode.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Three way?

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  Three way?

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Feel the rush.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  Feel the rush, did it to the crash. Uh, we need to start queer handshake.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  The official queer handshake.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  What will it look like?

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  So we should start the first move.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  So this, and then what's after that you and I establish, and then he adds on.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Okay, cool. Should we start right now?

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, what should it be? Okay, so it'll be like.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  You wanna start wide?

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  Okay, so that's the first one.

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  The first one. No, no, no, and then after that.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  Oh, I have an idea.

• 1:01:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  Pull it back.

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  Okay, great.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  So starting wide.

• 1:01:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Like.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  That's great.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  There's a, ah!

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  So then, like, I think we build the handshake with select guests.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Oh my god, perfect. Okay, so Troy is next week, and then Spike and Honey.

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  Spike and Honey.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  That will be good.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  That will be good. And then I think we'll, we'll go from there.

• 1:01:44Speaker 01

  And we'll go from there. We just don't wanna stay because this, the next person is not confirmed confirmed.

• 1:01:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  But sometimes that's a way to confirm confirm is to say it live on the podcast, so that people feel bullied to do Lost Culture East Coast.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  I need to, we need to talk about Five Star Weekend. Is that on the list?

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's just another reason to get emotional today because it wasn't on the list. And I'm realizing how wrong that was because.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  So wrong.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  You're absolutely right. We need to talk about the Five Star Weekend, a show whose podcasts I also listen to. The official one.

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  Love that. You, that's a rule of, if you, you, you fucking love a show if you're listening to the podcast of it. That's rule of culture number seventy-eight. You fucking love a show if you're listening to the podcast of it.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  I listened to Chloe Seven Y get interviewed about actually her surprising ties to Nantucket.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, people don't think that Chloe Seven Y is connected to Nantucket, but she actually has very surprising ties to it.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  She's an East Coast girl. I think, I think if you're, if you're an East Coaster, you, you, you've got, you've, you've visited Nantucket.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  Can I say something? That's not true. As an East Coaster, like, not everyone has the ties to Nantucket.

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  It should be surprising that you've been to Nantucket.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  You would be surprised this, the ties that she has to Nantucket, which made her want to participate in this show, which her fans have been surprised to see her in. No, literally.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  As a fan, I am, I was surprised and delighted that she played a townie so well.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  Chloe Seven Y as a, as a mass hole townie.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  So fun.

• 1:03:17Speaker 01

  It's really good, and she's also not because she's like refined in Nantucket. She, she, let's make this very clear. No, she's not a mass hole. I was, I was being an asshole when I said that mass hole.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  A nass hole, a New York. Wait, okay, I just did Colin Bedell's podcast, all of his astrology content. I've been following for years and he's starting a new podcast and they were like, what'd you do? I was like, yes, I'm such a fan.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  I did over the weekend, he read me down, didn't read me down, he like really got it, he's, he's so.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  What was said?

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  He was, he's just, he's always so fucking smart. And I, and I said to him, I was like, this is what I know to be true about you Long Islanders. And for my eternal bond with Matt Rogers, you guys are some of the smartest people on the planet. You have a, but it's rooted in like a working class sort of like, eh, like, you know, eh, how are you? It's like, but it's, it's, it's intelligent.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  I would say it will be dangerous to tell a lot of Long Islanders right now that they are the smartest people in the world. Because I do think that one of the symptoms of being a Long Islander is you tell yourself that all the time.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  And look how, look how far it's gotten you.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I left long ago. And by the, at the time I left.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  You sure, you sure talk about it a lot.

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  I don't even think I brought it up today.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  Maybe even the Rosie conversation earlier, but she also brought up, she, she, she asked me the classic Long Islander question, which was, what exit are you?

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  Can I tell you something? I actually don't know that answer.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  You used to.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  But it feels like a litmus test for Long Islanders.

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  You used to know.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  No, because when they ask that question, they mean on the Long Island Expressway, and I.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  Driver, you weren't driving down the expressway.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  Was not really that girl who was using it for that type of commute. So I would use Sunrise Highway. So I can tell you Sunrise Highway, I think was like forty-four, forty-five, forty-six.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  Just say one of those numbers.

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Well, that's what I explained to her at the time, but then I was like, why is my conversation with Rosie O'Donnell about exits?

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  She asked, she asked you.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  I guess because she asked me.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  Which is a Long Island way of asking.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm asking you a question.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Question. That's what, Colin's like, I gotta ax you.

• 1:05:25Speaker 01

  I gotta ax you. Let me ax you.

• 1:05:27Speaker 02

  Let me ax you. Anyway, um, sorry, Chloe Seven Y.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  No, Five Star Weekend.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  Five Star Weekend.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  We wanted to talk about it.

• 1:05:34Speaker 02

  Darcy Carden.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  Can I say she's the heart of the show?

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  The heart of the show. Face acting, down.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  There was some of the best face acting I've seen.

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  Some of the base, best face acting.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  Um, oh my god, and Jay Gardner and reuniting with, um, what's his face? Didn't, weren't they in a movie together?

• 1:05:50Speaker 01

  Jay Gardner?

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  Jennifer Garner.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  Jennifer Garner reuniting with, um.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  With, um, the one and only Timothy Olyphant.

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

  Timothy Olyphant, who.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Still swinging dick as he walks into rooms.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  As he walks into, it's just such a, what an eternal hottie.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  Eternal hottie, Jennifer Garner, eternal hottie.

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  Regina Hall.

• 1:06:06Speaker 02

  Regina.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  Loving my life whenever she's on the screen.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  I love my life. I love my life with Jemma Chan. I love my life with Darcy Carden.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  They're doing a second season of the Five Star Weekend.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Which is, which is the best news we heard.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  It's actually gonna be nominated? Well, then they'll be like, oh, they only nominated it to promote it.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  But it's like, I'm sorry, sometimes we really do love things on Peacock as much as we say. And can I say something? We would have no reason to.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  Candidly, like, we have, we're, we're, we're, we're still the same fans as we were.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  We're still normal people out here who love Peacock. We don't have the allegiances that are perceived out there to Peacock. We just thought that the best little creature, one of the nominees, was the miniature wife.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

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• 1:06:55Speaker 02

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• 1:07:26Speaker 01

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• 1:07:37Speaker 02

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• 1:07:43Speaker 01

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• 1:08:49Speaker 02

  Point of answer, it's because everything has a catch.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  Hey, or it turns out to be something else entirely.

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  Like a total catfish situation.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  Exactly, Bo.

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  Except for hotels.com.

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  Hmm, yeah, that one's pretty literal.

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

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• 1:09:06Speaker 01

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• 1:09:11Speaker 01

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• 1:09:17Speaker 01

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• 1:09:20Speaker 02

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• 1:09:24Speaker 01

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• 1:09:32Speaker 01

  So the name is honest, you're saying? And the rewards are too?

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

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  New episodes every Tuesday, sponsored by Healthy Sexual from Gilead Sciences. Now, I do want to say a thing that really got me through yesterday. Yesterday I had like a just a languid day, Sunday as fuck.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  Everyone did, I think.

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  I know, the vibes, the vibes were off.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  We were sort of talking about hanging out and everyone was like, you know.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  I've been watching, I need to, I've been telling myself I need to go on like a Lisa Rinna day one journey.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  So I'm, I remember watching her first season in bits and pieces. I want to watch it all the way through.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  Oh, of Beverly Hills Housewives?

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  Beginning of Lisa Rinna era to end. And, oof, as in her enemies on that show, I was, I'm Rinna all the way. I'm team Rinna all the way.

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  And because I, because I, because I see her on my screen and I light up.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, there's no question that she is, um, would cause anyone.

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  Stimulus in seeing her on the show. Towards the end, I'm interested to see what you think.

• 1:11:36Speaker 02

  Yes, well, I was there towards the end.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  With the whole Kathy Hilton thing and I'm like, whatever, there's, there's stuff about.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  There's that, that whole, that whole side of Beverly Hills to me is like, like bumps me out.

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

  Sometimes it's good to root for the villains, though. Sometimes, sometimes like the villains are the ones. There's nothing better than a good reality TV villain.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  And I don't want to call Rinna a villain because she's just, she was just being her authentic self. And can I just say, episode one, the first couple of episodes of Rinna just sums her all up. She's just like, I'm an entertainer. I guess I'm an entertainer, an actor, I don't know what to call myself. She is an entertainer. And, you know, when she and Eileen sit down for lunch, like they cut back to like old episodes of Days of Our Lives where it's just like, God, Lisa Rinna is just.

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  And she, she's like, and I'm not ashamed of anything, which explains everything about her in terms of her like going to all these like runway events, her dressing up like full on committed to the new like.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  She loves it.

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  She, but it's like she is, she is a true entertainer in the sense that she is interested in what is on the front line. And she will commit in the way that she has committed for us at the Culture Awards. I just, I just love her and I think she would be an excellent Mary Todd.

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  You know, I think that they would be fools. Because the only way they can top you.

• 1:12:58Speaker 02

  No. They've got plenty of people.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  Is to bring Lisa Rinna in after, after that.

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  What's on the list?

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  Um, confront ourselves. Why haven't we seen The Odyssey?

• 1:13:14Speaker 02

  Well, we've been on record as saying that like, we love Nolan. We just, we just, we, it's, it's just been, I was, I do want to see it in IMAX and it's still really hard to get a ticket.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  I can't say where I, I was shooting.

• 1:13:32Speaker 02

  You were shooting.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  Mr. Smith, and I, I think that's where my NDA begins. So I, I can't say where I was, but I was in a place where it was not.

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  Accessible to go to a theater.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  I could not go to a theater in the way that I had been told I must see the film. So when all of the narrative is like, we shot this on IMAX, you must see it in this, in this way, like this is, and then it's hard to do that. It's kind of like, okay, I'll get to it later.

• 1:14:00Speaker 02

  Tough marketing.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  And then I couldn't hear the dialogue at all. I just could not hear it. And, and then now I'm happy that everyone is, you know, revisiting two things in culture, Interstellar and CXOXO. And I'll talk about that in a second. But people are revisiting Interstellar and they're like, oh, Interstellar is the best Nolan. And I'm like, I would have loved.

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  Nolan?

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  Well, a lot of people feel that way.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  That's, well, that's just because people are.

• 1:14:24Speaker 01

  Because they haven't, they're over, they're over saying it's The Dark Knight, even though it is.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  It's like, I understand.

• 1:14:31Speaker 02

  It will always be The Dark Knight.

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  Right, it's like, okay, people that like, you know, I'm one of these people, but it's the way that people feel about like chocolate chips and oatmeal raisin. It's like, you can say oatmeal raisin is your favorite, but.

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  Which it is yours.

• 1:14:45Speaker 01

  It is mine, I know, so this doesn't really work.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Uh, it's, it's like Pepsi and Coke. It's like Coca-Cola is the girl, you know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, I love Wendy's, it's like, no, you like McDonald's. It's like, it's like you think you're going to get your cinephile card revoked because you didn't want to do The Odyssey, to see The Odyssey.

• 1:15:04Speaker 02

  I think we have to, actually, this will be my, I don't think so, honey.

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  Cinephilia.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  I don't think so, honey, cinephilia is really good because the goalposts, they move. Here's what I said, um, the QVC woman, let's not lose sight of her.

• 1:15:19Speaker 02

  Tony. We know, we know her name.

• 1:15:23Speaker 01

  And can we remember it?

• 1:15:24Speaker 02

  Tony.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  Can you remember the QVC woman's name?

• 1:15:26Speaker 02

  Tony is going on Fallon today when we're.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:15:30Speaker 02

  It's such a phenomenon. And the, and then the way she was posting on her own social media is, I'm going to be on Fallon and it's just not a picture of her face, the back of her head.

• 1:15:43Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, and thank God that her back of her head is so.

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  But that.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  I'm going to say it ridiculous.

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  That's such a perfect example, which you've learned at this point.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  And known for a while, which is the art of that job is just to keep talking. And here's what, so here's what's going on right now.

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  And this haircut is just reminding me of a time when my mom cut my hair.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  Stop, sell me those matches.

• 1:16:08Speaker 02

  Now these, oh my God, well now I'm on the spot.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  Do it.

• 1:16:10Speaker 02

  I'm like, no, you, you go.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  I have found, and this is going to be something that happens with everyone out there. Whether you're lighting incense because you've had a really stressful day, whether or not, and hey, I'm not going to tell anyone here, but you like to enjoy a little, in the words of Brittany Murphy on my favorite movie, herbal refreshment. Or if you just want to light one of the many candles that we've spoken about on this very day, you need matches. These are amazing. So, and what I love about matches.

• 1:16:45Speaker 02

  They're like little paintings.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  They really are. And I love that every single one has a beautiful visual identity. So you can trade them, you know? For example, like if you had one in there and I wanted it, it has the value and that is the, the sharing.

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  The exchange, because we all need to light a fire. And I'm talking about physically as well as metaphorically, Bowen.

• 1:17:08Speaker 02

  And here's what's happening, and this is not a metaphor. We are selling five matchbooks.

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  You're going to love this.

• 1:17:16Speaker 02

  For $25. That's a $5 per matchbook value, that's a steal.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  I know what you're saying, that sounds like far too much. This person does not have a grasp on people's economic reality today.

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  These are luxury items, no, no. And you think I'm being, you think I'm being Lucille Bluth? That's very funny.

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  Excuse you, I know exactly why you say that, because why, what makes these different? These are matchbooks from the first day of Lost Cult having a new set. And that's not just something, but everything.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  And let's just talk about the set for a second, because I think this is the best compliment I can give a room.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  I want to take a nap in here.

• 1:17:52Speaker 01

  I want to take a nap in here and you know what ties it all together? Is a beautiful centerpiece. And no one thinks, no one thinks they're going to have enough matchbooks for a whole centerpiece. That's because you're not thinking about them as collectibles. These are special.

• 1:18:08Speaker 02

  And you're collecting hearts.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  I'm collecting hearts because you want to know what people, people, and I'm going to get vulnerable here. They relate to me. And they relate to me because they know that I need a light in the dark sometimes too. And that's why I have a whole little centerpiece full of matches right here, Bo.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  It's time for, I don't think so, honey.

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  Anything else on the list that you want to talk about?

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  We actually kind of got through everything.

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. In a really exciting way, except this one thing that I wanted to sort of get into even more.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  This is fabulous. This is. Matt Rogers, I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  I don't think so, honey. Oh, you're just getting into CXOXO now?

• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  Some of us have been having a great time. Some of us have been having a lot of fun, including, I'm telling you this right now. Some of the hottest gays on Instagram DM respond. Whenever I put up a flare that I like Camila CXOXO, because I have taste,

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  people respond and they are some of the most beautiful men in the world.

• 1:19:13Speaker 02

  That's so beautiful.

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  Camila, congratulations on that.

• 1:19:16Speaker 02

  Thirty seconds.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  And it's not the only album that people have just totally, um, like, you know, taken and just thrown away, but it is the album of the moment. And I'm willing to say it right now, CXOXO is the album of the moment.

• 1:19:31Speaker 02

  Fifteen seconds.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  Twenty twenty six.

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  And that is not to take away from what I believe to be the actual album of the year. And I'm just gonna say this because I don't want to be totally frivolous. World's Girl in America by Slater.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Five seconds.

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  Best new artist narrative. We need it. We love it. But CXOXO, I guess, welcome home, everyone. Like I said, the water's really warm. It's Miami.

• 1:19:53Speaker 02

  And that's one minute. Cute girl with a sick mind.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  I text Bowen and Jared all the time. I'll just, I'll just text CXOXO.

• 1:20:02Speaker 02

  Or, or there was a time when your vocal stem was cute girl with a sick mind.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  Cute girl with a sick mind. What's your current stim?

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  Oh, uh.

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  You stimming?

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  I'm stimming on, I can't even think to answer a question.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:16Speaker 02

  Or just give me a fat, or no, I'm suffocating. Open the door now.

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  Well, there's a lot to stim on in, in confession as well, so.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I, I don't fuck with it.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  It's not okay. I don't fuck with it.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  People think the Jan's floor is frivolous. Now, what did she say?

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  She says, um, she says, um, safety in numbers.

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  Safety in numbers. Thanks for coming. Thanks for coming.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  I love whatever register she's in right now.

• 1:20:49Speaker 02

  It's amazing. I love Madonna.

• 1:20:51Speaker 01

  Love.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  So much. She's invented everything. Much like Peaches. Josh Harper and I say Peaches invented everything.

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:01Speaker 02

  Madonna also invented everything, obviously, in a more obvious way. But Peaches did invent everything.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Started it all.

• 1:21:06Speaker 02

  Started it all. You don't get Slater without Peaches. You don't get Kesha without Peaches. You don't get all these things without Peaches. Okay.

• 1:21:11Speaker 01

  You don't get, I don't think so, honey, without Bowen Yang.

• 1:21:15Speaker 02

  This is, this is, I'm, I'm just gonna, you know, I'm just gonna riff.

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  Let him cook. One of the top phrases of twenty twenty six. Give him ten. Give me ten. Remember this one? That was a good one. All right, this is Bowen Yang's, I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  I don't think so, honey, cinephilia. Let's just say you love movies. You don't have to have a whole

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  sharpness around it. It's, you make it seem uninviting. You make it seem like it's a closed conversation, right? It's like, now, now everyone is like out here being like, this is what your Letterboxd top four should be. There should be one little silly one. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's no should with film.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  Thirty seconds.

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  You should watch, it is, film is sculpted time. You should just enjoy the sculptures that you like. You should like the shapes that you like, and that can be anything. But there is this thing, like, God, I'll never forget, I had the honor of going to the Criterion Closet and I made the mistake of reading the comments and it's, it's just people being like, well, yeah, everyone loves Paris, Texas. Yeah, I, but I fucking love it too.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  The most.

• 1:22:24Speaker 02

  So then, what am I supposed to do? Not acknowledge it? Say that I don't love it? Cause then when I say that I do, it's like, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. I just like all kinds of movies. The Prestigie, the Janice Filmzie, and the fucking Disney Pixar, I suppose. And I don't know, let's just, let's just, everybody, not too much on the, on the cinephilia.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  And that's one minute plus. I will say it is, um, it's, it was at a time, a thing where it's like, oh, you've described yourself as a cinephile. That means you have an interest that I might be able to.

• 1:22:56Speaker 02

  But now it's like.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  Engage with.

• 1:22:59Speaker 02

  Now it's like you're not, like, oh, the, like, you're, it's, it's stolen valor or something. And I just.

• 1:23:07Speaker 01

  Cinephilia.

• 1:23:08Speaker 02

  And I'm, well, I'm just like, I thought, I thought everyone just loved movies. Different kinds of movies. But it's like, I can be like, yeah, I'm kind of whatever on Nolan.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:19Speaker 02

  And apparently that's like a crazy take.

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  Well, when, when someone's artistic output is pretty much expected to be something specific, people can make value judgments.

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  Totally. And I'm thrilled that it's doing well and that like, the, the weird fucking like attempted woke takedown of it, the taped, the takedown of it trying to be quote unquote woke has failed and like, there is such a thing, like, there's like a new kind of era of like auteur blockbuster directors.

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  Once again, um, but overall, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm, again, I'm like neutral. I'm like, the way that people are like, I'm neut, I'm neutral on Taylor. I'm like, yeah, great.

• 1:24:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  Or like on any other artist, I'm like, there's, that's.

• 1:24:04Speaker 01

  That's, that's good.

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  Neutrality with art is like, fine. It's not, it's not a dire political need.

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  Well, things need to be mid so that we can see what's truly great.

• 1:24:19Speaker 02

  Period.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  Like, I do think that we, we don't have enough people out here being like, this was fine. Like, everything is either, like, it's polarized to be like, this is an excellent thing or this is a terrible thing.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  And most of everything right now is fine. That's actually the, the, the big reveal about our culture right now. Is, it's all kind of fine.

• 1:24:38Speaker 02

  It's all fine.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  Like, there are things that are happening that are like, oh, that's extraordinary. That's cool. But we're not living in a time of like.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Which is not, we're not saying that the Odyssey is fine. We're just saying like, there is like, we're trained to be extremely polar about anything and everything.

• 1:24:55Speaker 01

  Toy Story five is out now and, um.

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  Greta Lee's in every movie.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  Love that, though. I mean, listen, if, if, if Toy Story, Christopher Nolan and Greta Lee are all gonna be ubiquitous, marry, fuck, kill, I marry Greta.

• 1:25:12Speaker 02

  Greta's in Toy Story.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  Then I guess I fuck Toy Story and I kill Nolan.

• 1:25:18Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  I knew it. I knew you.

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  I knew it. We had every, you have any fans too, wanna say?

• 1:25:30Speaker 01

  Still gotta do a whole other one of these.

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  I know. No, I'm good.

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  But I'm excited.

• 1:25:33Speaker 02

  I love our new set.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  This is so good.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm really, I'm so thrilled. And we're just gonna keep at, we, we, well, I think we're gonna swap out the couch.

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:42Speaker 02

  Um, I love the couch. I, I don't think, I don't think, you know.

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  I have a very similar rug in my apartment, actually.

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  This rug is, is classy.

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  It's amazing. Guys, this rug is amazing.

• 1:25:54Speaker 02

  No, and, and, and I'm not, I'm not nitpicking here. I'm just saying like, you know, just prepare for some, some, some changes, some slight changes and tweaks and, but this is all, I mean.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  You know, I did almost bring one of our iHeart Podcast of the Year trophies today and I thought to myself, do we want to display it? And I think maybe we will.

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  I think we will. Why not?

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  Remind these girls.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  Let's display it. That's what awards are meant to be. That's what you're supposed to do with them.

• 1:26:21Speaker 01

  Okay, we end every single episode of this podcast with a song.

• 1:26:27Speaker 01

  I have an idea. I'm gonna do the beginning of a concert that you missed.

• 1:26:34Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  And I want you to think about the atmosphere being so dense with excitement, anticipation, because you know you're gonna see your generational icon that you feel like you grew up with.

• 1:26:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, you did.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  Maybe even you had your kid at the same time. She was having her kid. And you look around and you're like, wow, look how far we've come. And you see it's Madison Square Garden. There's people talking. They talk about me. They know my name and they know everything, but they don't know anything about me.

• 1:27:17Speaker 03

  Give me a dance floor. Give me a DJ. Give me a record. Forget what they say, cuz I need to go. Need to get away tonight.

• 1:27:33Speaker 03

  I put my makeup on a Saturday night. Try to make it happy. Try to make it alright.

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  Why this key?

• 1:27:42Speaker 02

  She was young. And you chose it.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  But why did I feel like I needed to do it in that key?

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  Because, I don't know, hubris.

• 1:27:48Speaker 01

  Ariana was right when she came on the podcast. I remember at the end of the podcast, I started to sing Positions and like.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  She's like, that key?

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  She was like, that's a weird key.

• 1:27:56Speaker 02

  Let's just get to the chorus.

• 1:27:59Speaker 03

  I know I made mistakes. I live and laugh day to day. It's never really easy, but it's okay.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  And the thing is, it's not a hard song to sing, but it's gonna feel like it's a hard song to sing in a second because of what I've chosen.

• 1:28:13Speaker 02

  I think we go for it.

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  Five, six, seven, eight.

• 1:28:15Speaker 03

  Wake up, wake up on a Saturday night. Could be New York, maybe Hollywood and Vine. London, Paris, maybe Tokyo. Something going on anywhere you go tonight. Tonight, yeah, tonight.

• 1:28:36Speaker 01

  We can have one Hilary Duff album in the studio. Which one should it be? It should be the new one. I have it.

• 1:28:45Speaker 02

  It's so good. I, "Mature" is my favorite song of the year.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  "Mature" is? Mine is "Roommates."

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  Love that.

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  Too, too bad the episode's over, or we could verbally spar about that pop culture topic.

• 1:28:57Speaker 02

  Next time. It's an eternal album.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  Next time on Los Culturistas, which is how we end every episode.

• 1:29:06Speaker 02

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