“Overclocked: Clock Clock Clock” (w/ George Civeris + Sam Taggart)

Four gay guys, having finally had it, go dark woke and throw neck in this episode of Las Culturistas, the sister podcast of the iconic StraightioLab. Its hosts, George Civeris and Sam Taggart, join Matt + Bowen to form a cornucopia of homosexual men who throw prayers up for Beyoncé’s highly anticipated Linkin Park era in a very “they would all be doing Best Week Ever back in the day” way. They clock each other on their social media, the times they’ve publicly cried at events, and original radical optimism opinions. How much do they love Audrey Hobert? It’s in here. Lady Gaga’s potential next film? Well-researched theories are explored. And there are games! Play Haim Lick and consider Lizzo’s Pass along with the crew at home, or wherever you listen to podcasts! Watch George’s special A Sense of Urgency on Apple and Amazon, see Sam’s upcoming shows in LA on March 24th and April 1st, and stream Haim! See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  Las Culturistas.

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  Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling.

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  What were you just talking about? I was talking about something that we came up with last week at your birthday dinner. And then you said, "I likely don't remember from being wine drunk." Because we were. Excuse me, is it a crime to be wine drunk at your d-

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  Matt, innocent.

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  Innocent? Matt, innocent? Well, here- Print your shirts. This is, this is, this is an ear-hit test. Ready? Matt, you were wine drunk versus Matt, you were drunk. Wine drunk sounds sweeter, more wholesome, more fun. Sounds like, more like inoffensive. That's what I'm saying.

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  Well, there's layers of misogyny.

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  Thank god.

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  Towards wine moms?

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  Yes. Have you not seen the yelling blonde woman?

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  You'll have to be more specific.

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  She says, she says, "No more IDF money in politics."

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  Oh, oh, oh, oh, my gosh.

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  Cause she's had it.

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  She has had it.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  She said, and I agree, that the title Wine Mom is a bit misogynist.

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  Are you talking about Jennifer Welch?

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  Yes, yes.

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  Okay, great, great, great. Now, now, now go.

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  Now go.

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  And she said-

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  Cause there was notes of misogyny in that.

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  She says, "First of all, mentioning wine, notes of misogyny off the bat." Even ordering a wine.

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  And, and the misogyny's in the legs, too.

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  Misogyny in the legs. Um, look at the legs on her.

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  Uh oh.

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  So, wine, she said, you know, she's been called a wine mom, that's misogynistic, but then she also said the following, which I found very, um, interesting. She said, "But even though I know it's misogynistic, I think me pointing that out only alienates people, cause it makes them think they can't like, say anything." You know, it's sort of is promoting this kind of like, language policing. So she says, "I know it's misogynistic, but it's okay."

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  I'm not gonna-

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  That's what that's right.

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  I'm willing to let this one slide.

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  Dark woke.

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  That's dark woke.

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  Y'all dark woke? We're dark woke. Yeah, y'all dark, hey, y'all dark woke? The four of us are very like that with gay.

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  Totally.

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  It's like that, we know it's homophobic, but we're not gonna police.

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  Let it slide.

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  Who cares? Grow up.

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  Grow up.

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  The way they, the way they drag our girl Buttigieg. The way that they're out there dragging our president.

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  No.

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  We just let it slide, but know that in our group that we're all, we all just, in parentheses, type to each other, "Holding y'all's hands today."

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  Do you think if Buttigieg was on, "I've Had It," the podcast? Is it she has had it?

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  He would do amazingly well.

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  It's "I've Had It."

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  I've had it.

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  And you called her the, the screaming blonde woman, which is its own note of misogyny.

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  Hmm, I think that's more of a literal description.

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  Which I wasn't willing to let slide.

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  I just wanna say, I'm on board with her.

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  Dude, I'm deeply on board with her.

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  Her voice is always at a pretty reasonable level. Now, here's my challenge to her, what if the other co-host speaks? Now, that's a really great point.

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  That would be a really interesting-

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  I was noticing that. I was like, you do lead the charge.

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  It's Princess Ayesha.

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  Yeah.

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  It's that Dubai girl who is, is just talking, and, and then it always cuts to her friend who just is silent.

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  My greatest fear as a podcaster is that our podcast will be George talking and me going, "Mmm."

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  Sort of Sophia Grace and Rosie Coaden.

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  Whereas that's me at the eagle bear night of Sam just talking and me going hmm.

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  Yeah, you don't do well at bear night, George. Shut up.

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  Oh, yeah, get his ass finally. Wait, what were you saying?

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  Go back to what you were saying.

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  What happened at dinner?

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  What does Matt not remember while he was blackout?

• 4:47Speaker 01

  He was not, he was wine blackout. The throw neck challenge is basically to see who can just do the best sort of like pantomime of, of, of oral sex.

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  Whoa.

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  I realize that my pantomime, this is not the way it usually goes when I'm out here performing the act. Um, but my pantomime is a lot in the shoulders. Would you like to see me throw that?

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  Yes, I think everyone would.

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  I'm so happy.

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  And this is important for podcasts being a visual medium.

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  Exactly.

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  Cause you'd never get this back in the day in 2016, 2017.

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  No, god, no.

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  Here we go.

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  Oh.

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  Well, this is interesting.

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  It's kind of like a Beyonce, like, like.

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  Well, yeah.

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  She was the best.

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  She was. What happened to her?

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  She was great. I miss her. I do. Um, no. Okay.

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  Are we all going around?

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  Well, she's back. Actually, you find out that it's on this episode. She announces act three.

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  And we're the ones, we're even assigned.

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  She was like, I just know.

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  People announcing act three on Let's Go Theresa's.

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  No, but that wasn't good throwing neck. I was trying to perform for you guys.

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  You're doing comedic.

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  You did comedic.

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  You're doing comedic.

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  Throw neck can be, the throw neck challenge can be any interpretation of throwing.

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  Sam, why don't you show your throwing neck?

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  Yeah, I'll go, I'll go.

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  Yeah, thank you, thank you.

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  That was more of a crazy jackoff.

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  Well, that's what we were doing at the table.

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  I have a crazy jackoff one that I think is funny.

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  Okay.

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  This is what I, this is what I say it is when you're trying to, when you're begging for cum. You go, you go, ooh, the lips, it's in the lips, ooh. It's very disgusting.

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  I'm not hearing, I'm not hearing the, the begging.

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  No, cause it goes, give me your cum, ooh.

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  Yeah, I, I have picked up on, ooh, being a sound.

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  Being the grape, being the grape stop lady.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that, yes, of course. I think that's where all these gay guys got the idea.

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  Was grape stop lady?

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  They all watched grape stop lady and were like, I'm taking that to the bedroom.

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  Okay, George.

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  Go ahead, don't act for us.

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  That really pieces a picture.

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  I saw the terror.

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  No, and I saw you were.

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  Well, I wanted to do, it's like, you know, it's like scared.

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  Yeah.

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  Scared.

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  No, that's a big part of giving oral sex. I think people don't talk about it enough.

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  That wasn't me giving oral sex. That was my impression of someone who's a loser giving oral sex.

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  That was very like, you could see that they were standing.

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  Yeah.

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  That was interesting.

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  That was interesting. I was thinking about the rest of the scene, unlike some people who were more just sort of like doing choreo.

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  Doing Beyonce.

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  I was just trying to show Beyonce that I'm available for her act three world tour, because I can stand in the back and sort of. So is act three like rock and roll? Yes.

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  That's what the buzz is.

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  The rumor. It should be like Linkin Park type.

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  That would be fun.

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  Evanescence.

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  Evanescence.

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  She should actually do Evanescence.

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  I would love that. That's rock and roll.

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  Period.

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  That's rock and roll. The toss of the head, like he was like a best week ever talking head.

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  Oh.

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  And that's rock and roll.

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  And that's rock and, the four of us would all be doing best week ever.

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  I know, can you imagine?

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  I'm still waiting for the call, by the way. Oh, man. I'm ready, you know, Sam, well, should we get into it? Go.

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  Oh, one time we were asked to do.

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  What was it?

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  It was a reboot of like celebrity.

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  Like The Rich and the Fabulous.

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  Lifestyles of the Rich and the Fabulous.

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  Yeah, basically. But it was like a real like, it was like a pilot, like where they were like, we're giving you zero dollars and we are actually doing it not to like critique the celebrities, but actually like.

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  Celebrate them.

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  Celebrate wealth. And we were like.

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  Incredible. We were like, where do I sign?

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  We were like, so this doesn't sound like particularly good, like if we're not like, it's not like an amazing time.

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  You're not dragging them and just being like, I, we all remember where we were when we find out how rich Kylie Jenner was. And can I say, honey, we love it.

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  Go off, Sam Altman.

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  It was, it was, it was basically that.

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  It was that. Yeah, but then ironically, speaking of income inequality, we were being offered approximately a hundred and fifty dollars total.

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  Yeah.

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  Total.

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  Total.

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  And now look.

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  And then, and then they yelled at us.

• 8:47Speaker 03

  Well, we yelled at them too.

• 8:49Speaker 04

  Well, as long as it's mutual.

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  Yeah, well, there has to be a little, so was full blown yelling or was it passive aggressive?

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  We were on a conference call and I hung up.

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  This has never happened in our lives ever. How did you feel right after?

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  I felt amazing.

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  I felt electric. Wait, did this happen? No, this really happened. This is amazing. Oh, I'm so proud to know you.

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  Honestly, I channeled my inner Jennifer Welch.

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  I said, this is not what the future of the Democratic Party is gonna look like. Me and Sam being paid $150 to celebrate Kylie Jenner.

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  And I just go, mm. You are being the girl. I was being the girl. You're being the girl. These are the girls. They're doing their show at the Bell House tonight. Yeah, we never introduced them.

• 9:32Speaker 03

  It's tonight and it's sold out, so you guys please, like, throw the words.

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  This is coming out on the 16th, on the... This is coming out on the 7th. This is coming out next week. This is coming out next week. Their show was great. Sam Taggart's doing an hour at Union Hall on March 18th. Yeah. L.A. March 24th, April 1st. I can't believe you just remember that stuff. He remembers all kinds of things. How do you do that? How do you do it? That's, um, who sings that song? Sounds like an FKA twist.

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  No, just where?

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  No. Empress of.

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  Empress of.

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  You're getting your girls confused.

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  You know, I've seen her live three times.

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  Empress of?

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  Yes.

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  Empress of.

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  One year, her song was my number one on Spotify.

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  Really? What year was this?

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  This was the Blood Orange. It was Blood Orange featuring Empress of.

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  Yes.

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  You know what I'm talking about.

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  Beat the test.

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  Yes.

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  Great, great. Oh, man, I miss...

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  Laura Lai is her name.

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  Laura Lai Rodriguez.

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  Laura Lai Rodriguez.

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  You guys are like fact-offing. About, about women. Yeah. Jennifer Welch. Welsh? Welch. Welch, I knew that. We met them. We met them at the Glad Awards. They were lovely. They're, they're great.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  Well, obviously. You're so afraid I'm gonna say something negative about them.

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  No. But that's why we brought you guys in, to say everything we can and we just go...

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  They host, frankly, the Superior Podcast, Radiolab. The crown jewel.

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  Superior to who?

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  Tell me!

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  Speak for yourself. I'm over here carrying still.

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  Carrying still. We're gonna go, we're gonna say, we're gonna go by alphabetical last and first names, frankly. Everyone, please welcome George Severus and Sam Taggart.

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  Wow, what an honor and a pleasure to be back.

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  Go ahead, the podcast has begun.

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  It's begun.

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  Yeah, and I just wanted to say I have a special out.

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  George has his special out.

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  You all need that already.

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  And it's on Amazon and Apple, and it's called A Sense of Urgency.

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  It's really good.

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  Thank you.

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  I'm on Instagram.

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  How proud did you feel, and try not to cry, when you saw the special?

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  I said, "God, this is a beautiful special."

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  Yeah.

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  No, it was really impressive.

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  Beautiful man doing it, too.

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  Beautiful man, gorgeous, stunning. You know, a whole hour is not easy.

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  Not easy.

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  And to make it funny the whole time?

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  We filmed it over 15 months, and I did one minute at a time, and then we switched it all together.

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  Very quidby.

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  Very quidby.

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  Pretty much like quidby.

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  Quidby Linklater.

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  Quidby Linklater.

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  Quidby Linklater.

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  They're always teaming up.

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  Quidby Linklater, title of episode, the craziest shit I've ever heard. I was gonna say the boys throw neck, could be. But how often are you, you guys are both in...

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  You're both married, huh?

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  You're both married up, like, like, straight up wedded. So how much do you throw neck?

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  Don't.

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  No, don't tell me don't. Don't tell me don't.

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  A plenty. This is not a question you can ask.

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  Constantly.

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  He said, "A plenty."

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  How often are we throwing neck? This is insane.

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  You can't.

• 12:30Speaker 04

  This is insane.

• 12:31Speaker 00

  I'm sorry, I didn't know the pearls were available to claw.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  What's the hardest part of stand-up? The standing or the upping?

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  Wouldn't you rather just lay down and throw neck?

• 12:43Speaker 04

  I don't know what you guys are trying to do to us.

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  What's better, sucking cock or doing, or standing up?

• 12:47Speaker 04

  I don't know what Reddit comment said that you guys aren't alt enough anymore, and so you're trying to out-alts us.

• 12:52Speaker 00

  No one ever said that. Who's saying this?

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  Oh my god.

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  We are a family-friendly podcast for only married, white, gay guys.

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  Family friendly.

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  We have.

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  He had Jesse Tyler Ferguson on.

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  We had Jesse Tyler Ferguson on. Have you guys had Jesse Tyler Ferguson on?

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  Modern family.

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  We, we, um, we, we really feel like you guys kind of ran the whole gamut of gay guy between Perfume Genius and Jesse Tyler.

• 13:21Speaker 03

  Thank you for acknowledging that. Because those came out in a row and we said, one end is, and I say this with respect to both of them.

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  Oh, yeah, absolutely.

• 13:27Speaker 03

  One end is Perfume Genius, one end is Jesse Tyler Ferguson, and right in the middle, Jordan Sam.

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  Listen, I think, I think, what, what people are forgetting to say is that being a gay guy is a cornucopia. And we all need all different fruits, vegetables in that, um, beautiful.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Sort of horn.

• 13:45Speaker 00

  Yes, that's what it is, right, a horn?

• 13:47Speaker 01

  The horn of plenty.

• 13:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  Do you, how, what's going on on your phone?

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  Just getting a FaceTime, I'm getting a FaceTime video call from Jared Frieder.

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  FaceTime from George Santos.

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  FaceTime from George Santos. You guys should have him on.

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  I agree.

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  Hundred percent. You guys would tear it up.

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  I mean.

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  And.

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  No. No?

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  We can't have him on. I think you guys. Why? Because you're scared to be charmed?

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  No, because we're scared we'll throw neck with him.

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  You guys.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  Which Republican do you guys think is the hottest? Go.

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  Which Republican do I think is the hottest? And you can't say Lindsey Graham? No, and I.

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  Can't.

• 14:23Speaker 00

  I do think of ladybugs a lot. You know, the.

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  Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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  Oh.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Um, gosh.

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  Hottest Republican, I mean.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  What's the lore of the ladybugs?

• 14:34Speaker 01

  The.

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  Back when Lady G was a thing?

• 14:36Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, wait, wait, explain, I don't.

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  And ladybugs are his.

• 14:41Speaker 00

  Lady, ladybugs, the ladybug phrase refers to a rumor that was, when, when it first was rumored that, that, you know, Lady G was a thing, AKA Lindsey Graham being on the gay apps and everything. Ladybugs referred to a series of, uh, beauty marks or birth marks around Lindsey Graham's, I'm so sorry to say it, but hole.

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  Oh.

• 15:05Speaker 00

  Um, and he would say.

• 15:06Speaker 03

  That is not what I thought.

• 15:07Speaker 00

  He would say to the gay men that he'd have sex with, don't mind my ladybugs.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  No, we have different news sources, but I like yours better.

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  What's your, where did you think ladybugs came from?

• 15:17Speaker 03

  I read that on Al Jazeera, by the way.

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  I work for Al Jazeera.

• 15:22Speaker 03

  I was just sort of like.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  You do, you do warm up comedy for their main late night show.

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  So what you're gonna see tonight?

• 15:32Speaker 01

  You just heard Ladybugs as... I was just sort of, I thought it was like maybe his boys or something. That's what I thought, yeah, his ladybugs. No, no.

• 15:39Speaker 00

  Don't mind my ladybugs.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  He had ladybugs. At least he's proud, at least he's...

• 15:42Speaker 00

  Allegedly.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  I mean, it's so like, realistic, it's so believable, it's like, so tough.

• 15:47Speaker 00

  I don't think anyone out here is like, "Oh yeah, that's just a rumor about Lindsey Graham." I think everyone knows he's gay.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah.

• 15:53Speaker 00

  Like...

• 15:54Speaker 01

  But the Ladybug story feels very Sex and the City. Yeah. Yeah. It's a bit too punchy. It's a bit too punchy.

• 16:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a little bit, um, uh, remember that, we all remember the episode of Sex and the City where Miranda was dating a guy who wanted him... Who wanted her to eat his ass.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  Didn't we do that for Broadgate? I think we did. We did do that for Broadgate, but then, but then that shot is so funny because the guy just kept hiking his butt up into the frame. I know.

• 16:20Speaker 00

  Well, and then, and then Carrie has a great line, which was, so the reason they were dating is because they had bonded through food or something?

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Weight watchers?

• 16:28Speaker 00

  Miranda dated an overeater and then he overrated her!

• 16:31Speaker 01

  Oh my god. I don't know, Carrie.

• 16:34Speaker 00

  I don't, like, again, and I remember, I'll never forget too, it was one of the few times...

• 16:37Speaker 01

  This is my impression of Michael Patrick King after he wrote that.

• 16:40Speaker 00

  Yes. It was one of the few times that Carrie made a joke like that, and then, whether it was Sarah Jessica Parker and they just used it, or Carrie herself, laughed so hard at her own joke.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:53Speaker 00

  She was like, "And then he overrated her," and she went... And then they just cut to the rest of the scene, and I was like, "I would love to know how that felt on set."

• 17:01Speaker 01

  I bet it was so fun.

• 17:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was incredible.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  You know what came up on my, on my internet the other day was some, Chris Noth sat down for some interview with someone, just like, going in, going off on SJP or whatever. Recently? Recently, uh, like about, and, and then like, I just peeked at the comments, don't know why, I thought it would be a good idea. But it was all these people, I'm like, I guess women, but maybe bots just being like, um, or women bots, sorry. And thank you, bots can be women. Yeah, yeah. Wine bots, let's just say.

• 17:28Speaker 00

  Because bots is women too!

• 17:31Speaker 01

  All of them being like, so glad, so glad he's telling his side of the story, cancel culture is terrible, that we've, we shouldn't be damning these people. And I was like, this, no, it's not that we canceled him, it's that five different people came, like, came forward with sexual assault allegations. Yeah. And you're like, this is, is this, like, this is where we're at, anyway, not to bring the whole room down, but... Yeah, so what do you think about me too?

• 17:53Speaker 00

  Just feels so like we like it's I haven't done enough.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  Totally. Totally. I think it's not too far.

• 17:59Speaker 00

  I think cancel culture.

• 18:00Speaker 03

  And that's a dialogue, you know?

• 18:01Speaker 00

  I think cancel culture is back and.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  Do you?

• 18:03Speaker 00

  Better than ever.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  You know, it is back, but only on threads.

• 18:06Speaker 00

  I am not on threads and I've heard threads is the absolute demons layer.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  There's no sense of community on threads. It's not like how Twitter was fun back in the day.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  No, it's like they're doing, I was saying this to Sam the other day, they're doing like cancel culture, like a cancel culture drag show. No one's heart is in it, but they're sort of like, okay, who are we gonna do today?

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Totally, totally.

• 18:29Speaker 03

  You know, let's do that, that kid from Glee. Like just they pick a random person, they're like, what did he say in 2015? And then that's, that's what happens every day.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  But it's like a shortening of the cycle, but um, I just hate the fucking thing. So on threads, you can like, people can like invisible ink their own words. And I'm not sure for what purpose, other than like you have to engage on another level. And it's like, you're not being like provocative or even that fun with like what you're.

• 18:52Speaker 03

  It really feels like late stage social media.

• 18:55Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, no, absolutely.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  How many more years of social media do you think we have?

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 19:00Speaker 03

  I'm like three.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  I think we're, I think we're over clocked.

• 19:04Speaker 00

  I think we're over clocked. I think, and, and I think everyone's clocking each other's tea so hard on social media that we're over clocked. Maybe that's the title of that, over.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  Over clocked. Okay, sip's tea? This is over clocked.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  I hate getting tea at Starbucks, they always over clock.

• 19:26Speaker 00

  Hey, and I know you in particular love to clock my tea.

• 19:29Speaker 03

  I do love to clock your tea. Actually, I was thinking something, I was clocking your tea on my way here, I said, this is gonna be the first event with Matt where he's not crying in approximately six months.

• 19:39Speaker 00

  Oh my god, you clocked my tea!

• 19:41Speaker 03

  That was, you over clocked his tea.

• 19:43Speaker 00

  Cause I cried the other night at Ars Nova, I cried at his wedding. I cried at Joel's wedding, I cry at everything.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  Stop overclocking my friend crying.

• 19:51Speaker 00

  I'm on Lexapro again and have cried so much already.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, my SSRIs aren't doing anything. I'm still crying. I'm more emotional than I used to be.

• 19:58Speaker 00

  No, see, here's the thing.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  Oh, they're making you cry more?

• 20:00Speaker 00

  No, no, no. They're making me cry like a reasonable amount where it used to be unreasonable.

• 20:04Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 20:05Speaker 00

  Of course, I knew on my way to your wedding, I was like, I'm gonna cry.

• 20:09Speaker 03

  You were so sweet at Joel's wedding because it was like, there should have been a camera just on you.

• 20:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, Mac.

• 20:16Speaker 03

  And just, it's like the emotional journey, rather than seeing the two men get married, just seeing your reaction.

• 20:23Speaker 00

  No, and trust me, I know that that is at risk for what happened because when I'm crying, it's kind of, I'm usually kind of the only one or I'll start. And then I'll be like, well, now I'm crying and it's like a thing. And also, we were in this wedding, so we were in the front row. So we're getting the pictures back and it's like, everyone looking at like Joel and JM like, wow. And it's me just like head in hands, like I'm like processing a grief in real time.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's aspirational, though.

• 20:47Speaker 00

  Like, yeah.

• 20:48Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 20:49Speaker 04

  I'm jealous of it.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  To, to prop up erstwhile king, Dan Cook had a pretty good stand-up joke where he, it's like, it's like you cry and you like go immediately to the mirror.

• 20:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  You're like, I have to watch myself.

• 21:00Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. No, I love, when I cry, I do do the like, take out my phone and like try to take a picture.

• 21:04Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 21:05Speaker 04

  Like, I'm really doing it. I'm having a feeling.

• 21:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's called going Rachel Sennett mode.

• 21:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, a hundred percent. But yeah, no, I'd be crying.

• 21:13Speaker 03

  I only cry like in movies. I'm like, I'm like, I haven't cried in real life in so long.

• 21:20Speaker 00

  Did you cry at your own wedding?

• 21:22Speaker 03

  I teared up, but I was also like, you know, when you're, I did, I did tear up, but I was also, I held it together. And I specifically like rehearsed my vows enough times where I was like, I can do this.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you're on display. It's, it's like, you just don't want to, you feel comfortable crying in a movie because no one's.

• 21:39Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  overclocking you.

• 21:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, no one's overclocking you.

• 21:42Speaker 00

  Did you cry at yours?

• 21:43Speaker 04

  I teared up.

• 21:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  I think we both teared up in equal.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, very tasteful and non-subteering.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  And we were thinking about each other, not about our husbands.

• 21:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:50Speaker 04

  And we were just thinking about like the photos coming back.

• 21:51Speaker 00

  The one that got away. You're just thinking, I wish this was my podcast partner.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  I know. And I wish iHeart was officiating.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  I wish the CEO of iHeart was officiating my wedding instead of my stupid aunt.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  Hate her.

• 22:07Speaker 00

  She was iconic.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  No, she was amazing.

• 22:09Speaker 00

  She ate.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  She absolutely ate.

• 22:11Speaker 00

  Very stylish.

• 22:11Speaker 03

  Actually, I was just texting her because we're doing Greek Easter together. And I'm like, best decision we ever made getting her to officiate.

• 22:16Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 22:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  Are you guys at that stage now where people, like even your guests, let's say, are asking you like, you guys ever hook up? It's like.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  About us?

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Yes, because. Each other? This is a thing that we have been dealing with.

• 22:29Speaker 00

  They've been doing it more for us lately.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  Really?

• 22:32Speaker 00

  Like, I don't know what it is, but like, I feel like we've been asked in the last year, probably about five or six times in like a public way. So what have you, what's going on? Have you guys ever kissed or like, what's, what's happening here?

• 22:43Speaker 03

  We're like.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Interesting. And they're like, really? I thought all gay guy, and like, that's not what they're saying, but that's like the implicit. Your guests are saying this.

• 22:50Speaker 00

  Well, there's a lot of hints of misogyny.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  And being like, come on, kiss. No, like.

• 22:56Speaker 00

  J Lo asked us.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  J Lo asked us. Really? Yes, yes, yes. That's funny.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  I've had so many dreams about J Lo that I, like legitimately, she's like a, I don't even remember, but she's like a recurring character in my dreams. Like, it'll just be like, I'm looking for a roommate and it's J Lo. Or like, I'm like going to like a coffee shop and she's there.

• 23:14Speaker 00

  Well, having met her, we actually were saying, we think that she would be really close with George.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  You would get along great. What about their personalities would link up? They're both very grounded.

• 23:25Speaker 00

  Driven.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Driven. Oh. Great taste in film.

• 23:29Speaker 00

  Great, amazing, like cinephiles.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:31Speaker 00

  Um, and, um, you know, loves a celebration.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  No, legit.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  Both her and I love New Year's Eve. I will say that.

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• 25:28Speaker 08

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• 25:29Speaker 09

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• 25:31Speaker 08

  Oh, hey.

• 25:32Speaker 09

  I was just wondering if we could maybe take it easy this week?

• 25:35Speaker 08

  Absolutely.

• 25:36Speaker 09

  Really?

• 25:37Speaker 08

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• 25:39Speaker 09

  Wait, you mean low prices?

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  And MVP savings.

• 25:42Speaker 09

  Oh, you do care.

• 25:44Speaker 08

  Obviously.

• 25:45Speaker 09

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• 25:46Speaker 08

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• 27:02Speaker 00

  She performed at Vegas in New Year's Eve. That's how much she loved it. Wow. She said, I want to give and give and give.

• 27:07Speaker 04

  Mixing business with pleasure, that's tough.

• 27:09Speaker 00

  That's tough. Sometimes it's really hard.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  What was your favorite New Year's?

• 27:14Speaker 03

  What was my favorite New Year's ever?

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Sam and I had a good one.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  I had one time.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  But Maggie Minors was here like a couple of weeks ago.

• 27:22Speaker 04

  Our Chicago one?

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Our Chicago one was crazy.

• 27:24Speaker 04

  That was so crazy.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  2013.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  Oh, I was a bad girl that night.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  You were bad. Well, we all were. But that was, that's the only New Year's I've had where like I'm out on the street and people are throwing up.

• 27:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  Everywhere you saw.

• 27:39Speaker 04

  No, Chicago is like not chill when it comes to drinking. But even like I felt myself like, you know that it was like when you're in a dream and you can't see all the way in front of you? Like I've never been this level of drunk before or after. And I was like, like I could only see the sidewalk and I would look up, but it was, couldn't see anything. And I felt like I was like one of the ones that had it together.

• 27:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:58Speaker 00

  And was J Lo in that dream?

• 27:59Speaker 04

  And so J Lo was in that dream, which was in reality in Chicago in 2013.

• 28:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. She was like, Sam, get up, baby. We still have some more nights to party.

• 28:09Speaker 04

  We're going to Scarlet, mama.

• 28:10Speaker 00

  We're here to Scarlet.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  Do you remember when she was on Will and Grace?

• 28:14Speaker 00

  Yes, of course.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  So she has a multi-episode arc on Will and Grace and is so funny and is so good at making fun of herself. She like makes fun of her divorces and whatever. And one of the storylines is that Karen writes a song called FYI, I Hurt Too, a pop song, and then J Lo steals it.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  FYI, I heard too.

• 28:36Speaker 03

  FYI, I heard too.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  So funny.

• 28:38Speaker 03

  That's a hit.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  So funny.

• 28:39Speaker 00

  No, that's literally, that was ahead of their time too, because now every pop star's single is like FYI, I heard too.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  No, that's whatever.

• 28:45Speaker 04

  That's literally our Larson.

• 28:46Speaker 00

  All lowercase, like BTW.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  I'm sorry.

• 28:51Speaker 00

  ILU.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  Remember when Britney Spears was on Alone Grace?

• 28:56Speaker 03

  Yes, and she played a right wing.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Commentator who's secretly lesbian.

• 28:59Speaker 00

  I'm a hardcore lesbian.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  I'm a hardcore lesbian.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  Remember Madonna, who played Karen's roommate?

• 29:05Speaker 01

  No.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  That's right, a lot of people don't remember that.

• 29:07Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  But it happened.

• 29:10Speaker 04

  I'm not sure whether or not to feel like competitive over the fact that people want you guys to kiss and they don't care that we don't have a romance.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  They think of us as more family values because we're married. I'm serious.

• 29:18Speaker 00

  You're publicly married and like.

• 29:20Speaker 03

  We're very publicly married, and Sam is also very publicly into bears.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 29:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  But you're just thinking like, why?

• 29:26Speaker 03

  I have become more bear-like, I would say. But go ahead.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  You've, you've gone, you've become more bear-like?

• 29:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've just, I've, I'm not saying this as a.

• 29:35Speaker 00

  You've been up in the gym and we see it.

• 29:37Speaker 03

  Intentionally, I'm not saying, I'm not saying like I'm, oh, shocks, but I'm, I am larger now than I was when we first started the podcast.

• 29:43Speaker 00

  I'm larger now.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  I'm embracing it.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Taking up more space?

• 29:47Speaker 00

  I would like to write a song inspired by that.

• 29:49Speaker 03

  By me embracing.

• 29:51Speaker 00

  I'm growing, I'm, I'm larger now. I'm growing larger.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  FYI, I'm larger now. FYI.

• 29:58Speaker 00

  I am growing larger is a song I'm gonna write.

• 30:01Speaker 03

  I'm growing larger.

• 30:02Speaker 00

  I am growing larger.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 30:03Speaker 00

  In fact, that might be the title of the whole album.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  It does feel a bit erection-coded.

• 30:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. There's so many ways you could go with it. That's why I like it as a concept album. I am growing larger. Well, in what ways? You'll find 12 and 2 bonus.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting.

• 30:18Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Wow. Oh, you see, Matt always comes up with legitimately incredible concepts for his albums.

• 30:25Speaker 03

  No, I think that's an amazing concept album.

• 30:26Speaker 00

  For his albums, there's one.

• 30:27Speaker 03

  Each, each song is a different, one song is potentially Pinocchio knows growing larger. Oh my god. Like learning not to lie.

• 30:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, I do tell Bowen Yang about all my concept albums and my albums that come up in my head and whether or not.

• 30:41Speaker 03

  And is that post-coitus?

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, after we fuck.

• 30:44Speaker 00

  After we have sex, I put my cigarette out on him.

• 30:47Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 30:48Speaker 00

  He doesn't move it on me. I'm thinking about doing a concept record.

• 30:53Speaker 00

  Ryan, he says brilliant.

• 30:55Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  What, I think you should legitimately pursue this. I am on vacation. That is, the concept album is being on vacation.

• 31:03Speaker 00

  There was-

• 31:04Speaker 03

  The title is I am on vacation.

• 31:05Speaker 00

  It's called I am on vacation.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  I am on vacation.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  And-

• 31:07Speaker 01

  That's sort of what Radical Optimism was about.

• 31:09Speaker 00

  Yeah!

• 31:10Speaker 01

  So I was ahead of my time on that one as well. People give me such guff for saying that it's my favorite Dua Lipa album. I love Radical Optimism.

• 31:18Speaker 00

  First of all Radical Optimism is great and I, here's what I would say, looking back, do I think it's gonna hold the cultural place of future nostalgia?

• 31:25Speaker 01

  No, of course.

• 31:25Speaker 00

  But I think to say that Radical Optimism is like a flop era for her is-

• 31:29Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no. People are shortsighted. People are shortsighted, we're gonna look back on it very soon, I would say in the next few months hopefully, and think- If I have anything to say about it.

• 31:38Speaker 00

  Well, congrats to Houdini, who joined the Billions Club on Spotify.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  It did, it did, it did join the Billions.

• 31:43Speaker 00

  Congrats to Houdini, girl, you joined the Billions Club and you have four gay guys to- I know we were all streaming Houdini.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  I streamed it in my car.

• 31:52Speaker 03

  Did you see what I did to Dua Lipa?

• 31:54Speaker 00

  What did you do to her?

• 31:56Speaker 03

  I, um, I got a notification, this sounds like I'm making it up.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 31:59Speaker 03

  I got a notification that a comment of mine was liked, and the comment was that a week before that notification, I had commented on a photo of Dua Lipa, "You are absolutely killing it, Miss Chica." And I, I looked up when that day was and it was when I was really jet lagged, when I had just arrived in London, and I do, I now have sort of formed a memory of it and I do think I remember being in my hotel room and commenting it, but I semi, I semi-asleep commented on a carousel of Dua Lipa, "You are absolutely killing it, Miss Chica."

• 32:30Speaker 00

  That's actually Real Culture number eight. "Dua Lipa, you are absolutely killing it, Miss Chica."

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Something about being in London, uh, sort of bleary-eyed. Exactly. I, I've, you, you just do things that you're like, it's, you go into a dissociative state.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  You, I really was a dissociative state.

• 32:47Speaker 00

  You can post anything you want from Europe, it's actually Real Culture number 10. You can post anything you want from Europe. I was doing fit check from Cam, don't think I forgot, I knew you were clocking my tea at home too.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  Oh, by the way, do, am I ever not?

• 32:59Speaker 00

  No, I literally sometimes-

• 32:59Speaker 03

  You know, I'm printing out every story of Matt, putting it on a board.

• 33:02Speaker 00

  In the back of my mind, sometimes I literally am like, George will hate this. But I know you love it.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  And sometimes I'll just text him a period, just so he knows I'm watching.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  Clog. Speaking about Miss Chicas and pop stars, um, and this is pertinent to you. Wait, clog me or gag me, it's still an obsession.

• 33:20Speaker 00

  Are you quoting what's her face?

• 33:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. Love me or hate me, it's still an obsession.

• 33:24Speaker 00

  Love me or hate me, still an obsession. Uh, Lady Sovereign?

• 33:27Speaker 04

  Lady Sovereign.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  Lady Sovereign is a recurring motif in Sam's work as a comedian.

• 33:32Speaker 00

  Lady Sovereign, it looked like she was going the distance.

• 33:36Speaker 04

  Well, I actually am obsessed with that concept because sometimes when I really hate something, I'm like, give me one year, this will be my favorite thing. Like, I'm like, they are the same feeling.

• 33:43Speaker 03

  Oh, me and Audrey Hobart.

• 33:45Speaker 04

  Me and Audrey Hobart.

• 33:46Speaker 00

  You were not, you clocked her teeth negative.

• 33:49Speaker 04

  We were gagging upon her.

• 33:50Speaker 00

  As you're gagging upon because you read the article?

• 33:52Speaker 03

  Cut to three months later, we're gagging harder than anyone has ever been.

• 33:55Speaker 04

  I just, I woke up one day and I was like, I need this more than anything on earth.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  She's a musical genius.

• 34:01Speaker 04

  And I could not stop listening to it.

• 34:02Speaker 00

  Absolutely. Sumi, you want to keep listening?

• 34:04Speaker 03

  Literally.

• 34:06Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  Thirst trap is, it's like, that is having a crush. It is the er having a crush song. I've never heard anything like it.

• 34:17Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  Literally, I can't remember the exact lyrics, but it's like, I literally used to watch the news and now I take photos of myself.

• 34:23Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 34:24Speaker 03

  Genius.

• 34:25Speaker 00

  No, she's amazing.

• 34:26Speaker 04

  She's amazing.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  I don't even take photos of myself, but I used to watch the news and I don't anymore. And the song, The Chateau is great.

• 34:33Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  Um, and, uh, what's the, what's the song, Bowling Alley?

• 34:37Speaker 03

  I love Bowling Alley. Phoebe, go ahead, sorry.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, no. So you guys just, it just clicked one day, both of you at the same time?

• 34:44Speaker 04

  Around the same time.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Incredible. So you, that is like hooking up in a way.

• 34:48Speaker 00

  And that's intimacy.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  That's intimacy.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  What is your most intimate moment?

• 34:54Speaker 04

  Wait, this is an amazing question.

• 34:56Speaker 00

  And it can be emotional intimacy. I'm not asking as in like a disgusting way.

• 34:59Speaker 04

  You're desperate for us to have sex.

• 35:00Speaker 00

  No, I'm actually not, I think.

• 35:02Speaker 03

  I mean, we do like jerk off together. We're not Christian, like five year olds.

• 35:06Speaker 00

  It became a joke.

• 35:09Speaker 00

  You guys all noticed that it became a joke? I asked, what's your most intimate moment together?

• 35:13Speaker 03

  Title of ep, it became a joke.

• 35:15Speaker 04

  It became a joke.

• 35:17Speaker 00

  See, they really are.

• 35:18Speaker 03

  They really are.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  Do we have an intimate moment?

• 35:22Speaker 04

  What is our most intimate moment?

• 35:23Speaker 03

  Guess not.

• 35:24Speaker 04

  What is our most intimate moment?

• 35:25Speaker 00

  You couldn't even make eye contact when you asked.

• 35:27Speaker 03

  This is not my earnest response to me is it's not a moment, but there are times when it, it syncs up and this can happen both onstage or offstage and it feels like we are sharing a brain and it's like even when we're like on tour together and we're like planning our day, I sometimes, I think this is the way twins are where it's like, I'll sometimes be like, I know what Sam is in the mood for. I don't even have to be in the same room as him. I know he's gonna be, um, you know, in a good mood, in a cranky mood, hungry, like wanting to exercise, like, and I think that's the-

• 36:01Speaker 04

  No, I love when we're on tour, it is like, we're like a couple.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:05Speaker 04

  And in a nice way, except non-sexually, like a couple.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, so it's sort of exactly like a-

• 36:10Speaker 00

  Sort of like a couple.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  We're kinda like a married couple.

• 36:13Speaker 00

  We're kinda like a married couple in that we know exactly what each other is thinking and never fuck.

• 36:19Speaker 04

  I like it too. Like, I like when we're like, okay, like, we, we'll get breakfast together and then it'll be like, okay, well, you know, maybe let's text in like an hour or two. And I know when we say that, it means we won't see each other until like an hour before the show.

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• 37:27Speaker 01

  The latest news in the industry.

• 37:30Speaker 04

  Oh, I love this.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Is that Lady Gaga is in talks to star in the perfect blue adaptation directed by Darren Aronofsky. Did you hear that?

• 37:41Speaker 01

  I don't know how real it can be. It's on Vanity Fair. Chris, our friend Chris Murphy wrote it.

• 37:46Speaker 00

  Really?

• 37:46Speaker 03

  Have you seen Perfect Blue, Sam?

• 37:47Speaker 00

  No.

• 37:48Speaker 01

  Oh, Perfect Blue is ingenious.

• 37:49Speaker 03

  I just watched it. Well, I was texting about this because I just watched it and I looked, I was like, I need to hear, I need to read and listen to things about this.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  And so on my podcast app, I searched Perfect Blue. First thing that comes up, Bowen Yang on Blank Check.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  I said, I'm gonna have to hit play on that three and a half million hour episode.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  They let the cameras roll.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  They really let the cameras roll.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  I don't remember much of that.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  You were great.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Okay, great.

• 38:14Speaker 03

  I thought you were wine drunk.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  Well, he loves the film. He loves the film. It's one of my, it's my thing.

• 38:20Speaker 03

  Well, do you want to, I think it's a very Sam film.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  It's, it's so you, it's crazy.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  You know what it is? It's Lady Gaga fame is a prison. What? So tell me, what's the?

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Okay, so it's a movie that, I'm, I'm, okay, and if I ever dwindle, like, get it, like, y'all step in.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  If I ever dwindle, y'all step in.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  It's roller culture number 50. If I ever dwindle, y'all step in. That's friendship. Yeah. That's what the four of us have. Okay, so it's basically, it came out in like 95, 96.

• 38:48Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  Super prescient. It's this girl who, her name is, um, Mima, and she was in a little pop trio. And then she leaves the trio in order to pursue an acting career on a television show. But then like her, some of her fans, and one kind of stalking presence in particular is like angry about that. Wants to keep her sort of in amber in this girl group as a pop star. But she's like, I'm an actress now. Then her manager gives her a computer as a gift that's hooked up to the internet. 95, she's on, then she boots up the computer and then like all of a sudden she like sees a website, like a blog essentially, diary entries written as her, but like in great detail about her life and her day, like on set.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Like, what's on set today? Did this? She was like, how does this know?

• 39:36Speaker 03

  Keep in mind, this is mid 90s.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  Pre, pre blogs, pre Gawker.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Pre Gawker. The peak. Um, and, and the Renaissance, I mean, um, of Gawker. But then she, um...

• 39:52Speaker 01

  Basically, she like, it's she like, it's, it's fully dissociative. It's, it's this like psychological thriller where like she's being chased by her own like presence, like someone is like really like, I don't know, like stalking her and it ends in like horror, like help me, help me out.

• 40:06Speaker 00

  It manifests as like another her that's like born from the internet. There's like another creation. She can't really decide or delineate whether it's something that's in her mind or whether it's an actual like embodied thing that has somehow been created from this nasty dark image of her on the internet and she, her reality shatters because she's unable to be like, I'm me, that's that, I can register reality.

• 40:32Speaker 03

  It's like about, it's about becoming crazy from reading the comments, basically. But also what's, what's also prescient about it, which you mentioned, I think, on this podcast episode, is she's not a huge star. She's not Madonna in the movie. She's actually kind of like a small, she's almost like a creator. Like she's, she's like a Zara Larsson. So, which I also think, because it's like predicting this era where like the internet is a bunch of micro celebrities and all of them are going insane. Fully Adu style.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Ninety, thirty years ago. And so, uh, very Black Swan, right?

• 41:09Speaker 03

  Well, literally Darren Aronofsky copied it for Black Swan.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  So then when Black Swan comes out, everyone's like, hey, you copied Perfect Blue. And he's like, no, I'm influenced by it. And then now it's very full circle that he is.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  And who else, what's the other person that, that fully copied?

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Well, Paprika is very Christopher Nolan, who's very inception.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, what do we think about Gaga? Do we, it's basically mayhem. It's basically the mayhem ball.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  I mean, I of course celebrate.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 41:35Speaker 03

  I think what's, anything she's in, I will celebrate.

• 41:39Speaker 00

  That's the thing is it's like, it's, it's gonna be whatever it is. You could put her in a movie I would never see.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  I saw Joker 2. Like, I am there.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  I have no take on her besides, because the take is always, well, I will be obsessed with her.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  No, it's like, I can't be a journalist when it comes to Lady Gaga because I'm, I'm biased.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 41:56Speaker 00

  I recuse myself.

• 41:57Speaker 03

  I recuse myself.

• 41:58Speaker 00

  While participating fully.

• 41:59Speaker 03

  I have, I have an idea that I have been thinking about that I think could really change things around for Miss Lady Gaga.

• 42:08Speaker 00

  Go ahead.

• 42:09Speaker 03

  I love this. I think she should play Mary Todd.

• 42:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, thi- this is like-

• 42:16Speaker 03

  But I think, I'm not kidding.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  No, I, I know, and I, I'm with you.

• 42:22Speaker 00

  There's nothing more I would want than that.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  Like I just said, it doesn't matter what she's doing.

• 42:25Speaker 03

  I think you're trying to-

• 42:26Speaker 01

  I'm gonna be upset.

• 42:26Speaker 00

  It's now running through-

• 42:28Speaker 03

  I'm not trying to-

• 42:28Speaker 00

  No! Why, you don't think it would be a smashing success?

• 42:32Speaker 03

  I think it would be a success-

• 42:33Speaker 01

  You don't think she has a comedic timing?

• 42:34Speaker 03

  For all the wrong reasons.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  You don't think Oh Mary is at her level of sort of cultural relevance and-

• 42:38Speaker 03

  I mean, that's the thing, it is the number one theater property. It has-

• 42:42Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 42:42Speaker 03

  It has absolutely come for Hamilton.

• 42:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, it has, it has come for Hamilton.

• 42:48Speaker 03

  Oh Mary has come for Hamilton.

• 42:50Speaker 00

  Knock, knock, knock.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  Clock, clock, clock.

• 42:52Speaker 00

  Clock, clock, clock.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Over.

• 42:54Speaker 00

  Clock, clock. Title of that, clock, clock.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  Because guess what, if you had told me a year ago, if you had told me a year ago it was Maya Rudolph, I would have said, no, she's too-

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 43:03Speaker 03

  You know, famous to do it or whatever. Like, I just think it's only gonna keep getting more prestige until it's Michelle Obama.

• 43:08Speaker 00

  Well, you know they fully, you know who was fully gonna do it and talked about it on this podcast was Jennifer Lawrence.

• 43:14Speaker 03

  Oh, that'd be fun.

• 43:15Speaker 00

  She was gonna do it and it didn't work out, and then we had heard a rumor-

• 43:17Speaker 01

  There was an Hathaway.

• 43:18Speaker 00

  That Anne Hathaway was supposed to go in as Cole's first replacement. That, the, like, the people that they're talking to are on this level.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:25Speaker 00

  As we know, I mean-

• 43:26Speaker 01

  That's why, like, it doesn't really bump at all.

• 43:28Speaker 03

  No, I wasn't, that, I wasn't saying that as a joke.

• 43:30Speaker 04

  It's not like her level that's bumping me.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  It's more like the silliness.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  You don't think she's silly?

• 43:36Speaker 04

  I think she-

• 43:37Speaker 01

  Oh, you don't think she's silly?

• 43:38Speaker 00

  You don't think she's silly?

• 43:39Speaker 04

  Oh my god, of course I think she's silly, it's just like, but at the same time-

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Sam didn't understand the camp element of A Star is Born.

• 43:46Speaker 04

  Oh my god, I think she is, um-

• 43:50Speaker 00

  And you thought House of Gucci was a grounded drama.

• 43:52Speaker 04

  Well.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  He said, "That accent works."

• 43:55Speaker 04

  To be fair, that accent did work.

• 43:58Speaker 00

  I also think it worked.

• 44:02Speaker 00

  We need to take out the trash.

• 44:03Speaker 04

  It's everyone else's accent that didn't work. She was in the right place.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Well, that is true. Adam Driver.

• 44:08Speaker 00

  Well, not, no, my, my favorite performance from the movie is, of course, Say It With Me. Salma Hayek.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Oh, of course.

• 44:14Speaker 00

  Salma Hayek.

• 44:15Speaker 03

  She is one of our greats.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 44:18Speaker 00

  There's no disputing it.

• 44:19Speaker 03

  I was recently rewatching the third Iraq episode she's in, where she goes, she's like, wearing a t-shirt that says something funny, and she's like, "Don't let my silly t-shirt distract from something serious I'm about to say."

• 44:29Speaker 01

  What?

• 44:31Speaker 00

  Perfect.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  Silly t-shirt, distract from some...

• 44:35Speaker 01

  30 Rock used to be the Oh, Mary, where they would really bring in these, these A-list women.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 44:41Speaker 00

  It's like, take me back. I actually, I've been on a 30 Rock kick again.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  Me as well.

• 44:45Speaker 00

  I've been mainlining it. It's been really nice. It's been...

• 44:49Speaker 01

  It's been nice.

• 44:51Speaker 00

  You forget. You're like, oh, wow, it actually can just be jokes. It can. It can!

• 44:56Speaker 01

  We're so far away from that now as a culture. It's sad.

• 44:59Speaker 03

  When was the last time you heard a joke?

• 45:01Speaker 00

  You know what, though? You know what? You know what? Actually, I do laugh back.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  2017. Yeah, it was Donald Trump becoming president.

• 45:05Speaker 00

  Oh, George!

• 45:08Speaker 03

  He took it there. Dark woke!

• 45:11Speaker 00

  This podcast went dark woke today.

• 45:14Speaker 03

  God, it's so scary. Get me Gavin Newsom.

• 45:16Speaker 00

  You?

• 45:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:18Speaker 00

  Get me Gavin Newsom.

• 45:20Speaker 03

  He's with you, then you. You know, Jabuki and I coined a new term today?

• 45:22Speaker 00

  What'd you say?

• 45:23Speaker 01

  What is it?

• 45:24Speaker 03

  It's called Gavin Newsom comedy. Do you want to hear what it is?

• 45:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Please.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  It is comedy, and I'll tell you who we're referring to off mic. It is comedy that takes... Last culture. It is comedy that takes the worst parts of alt comedy and the worst parts of club comedy and combines it.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 45:38Speaker 00

  Could you show us an example?

• 45:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would love an example.

• 45:40Speaker 00

  Of Gavin? And I think I know.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  No, I'm just saying that's what Gavin Newsom is doing with like...

• 45:44Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  Taking the worst parts of liberal and worst parts of conservative.

• 45:48Speaker 00

  Oh. I was like, you're giving him too much credit.

• 45:50Speaker 03

  No, no, he's not doing comedy.

• 45:51Speaker 00

  No, no, no.

• 45:52Speaker 03

  He would be a great Mary Todd, but he is not doing comedy. I'm saying the metaphor for this kind of comedy is Gavin Newsom.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 45:58Speaker 00

  I think he's just trying to make everything culturally normal.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, because that's what we have to do.

• 46:01Speaker 00

  We just have to be culturally normal, and then we'll all be fine.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  Wait, wait. Lindsey Graham, Mary Todd, when?

• 46:07Speaker 01

  Oh!

• 46:09Speaker 00

  Lindsey Graham.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Sam.

• 46:11Speaker 00

  This is huge.

• 46:11Speaker 01

  You, okay, and you have to take this as a compliment.

• 46:14Speaker 03

  Uh-oh.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  You are already an amazing casting brain. You know what I mean?

• 46:20Speaker 00

  And they just out of the casting Oscar.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  And they just out of the casting Oscar.

• 46:22Speaker 00

  You've always been a casting man.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  They should give me the Oscar.

• 46:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  They should give you the Oscar, but no, but Sam would always like, connect the perfect dots when we were doing shows together, I feel.

• 46:32Speaker 03

  Well, that's, I'm gonna take it as a compliment.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:34Speaker 00

  Well, how else would you have taken it?

• 46:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:37Speaker 00

  Why do you feel clapped by it?

• 46:38Speaker 01

  Excuse me, don't raise your voice on my co-host.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're being the yelling lady.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  Wait, you guys said you guys brought something for us.

• 46:43Speaker 03

  Oh, well, first I was gonna say something about casting.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 46:46Speaker 03

  Um, very quickly. We were talking about, because we're doing a bit of...

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Good job standing up for yourself.

• 46:51Speaker 04

  We're doing a bunch of records while we're here and we were talking about who we should book. And George was like, who's in the theater? Who's in the theater? And I was like, hmm, who do I have like a complicated relationship with? Like, who do I want to explore my complicated relationship with? And George was like, this is the exact difference between the two of us in booking people.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  You want confrontation?

• 47:09Speaker 04

  I always want, not confrontation, but like

• 47:11Speaker 00

  Edge.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Resolve.

• 47:12Speaker 04

  Something. I want a like, this was weird 10 years ago.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Sam's cat traces.

• 47:17Speaker 04

  Bad, like you were rude to me, but like, it can be like, like I sent you this email that I was embarrassed about.

• 47:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, we want a little bit of tension and resolve on the podcast. It's very Real Housewife of you.

• 47:27Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  Well, you know, I mean, case.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  Point.

• 47:32Speaker 03

  Point.

• 47:33Speaker 00

  Case point.

• 47:34Speaker 04

  Match point.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  Game, set, match.

• 47:36Speaker 00

  Point of order.

• 47:37Speaker 03

  Next question. Case point is one of our early, very buzzy episodes. Um, and that it was listened to by multiple vulture staff writers.

• 47:46Speaker 00

  They forgot who we are.

• 47:47Speaker 03

  Was when we had Jeremy O. Harris on and Jeremy was actually Sam's high school bully. And they literally like

• 47:53Speaker 04

  We made up.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Made up on mic.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:55Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Well, this is the difference between you two. But so, but then, and are we allowed to know who in the theater we, we, we figured out or no?

• 48:03Speaker 03

  No, I was just like, I'm always like, how can we, you know, we love obviously having comedians on and that's our bread and butter. But I'm always like, I want every six, seven episodes to have someone out of the box. Like when we had Alison Roman or when we, you know, and I was like, okay, who is like someone in the, like, I want to have Sandra Bernhard on.

• 48:22Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, she said no.

• 48:25Speaker 00

  She said no?

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Off camera.

• 48:27Speaker 00

  That to me feels like she is like too cool to do any podcast.

• 48:31Speaker 03

  No, no, no. She was, she's currently not doing podcasts and I just want to say.

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• 50:21Speaker 09

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• 50:23Speaker 08

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• 50:24Speaker 09

  I was just wondering if we could maybe take it easy this week?

• 50:28Speaker 08

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• 50:29Speaker 09

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• 50:36Speaker 08

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• 50:57Speaker 11

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• 51:12Speaker 12

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• 51:23Speaker 11

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• 51:28Speaker 13

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• 51:54Speaker 03

  If she does cultureistas, that's because she has changed her mind about podcasts, not because you got her and we did. Of course, of course.

• 51:59Speaker 00

  100%. They brought something for us, you guys.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  Things, no, you don't want?

• 52:02Speaker 00

  No, you. And I just gotta say, this is gonna make an amazing social clip.

• 52:07Speaker 03

  Woo! That's what podcasts are.

• 52:09Speaker 00

  Social arm.

• 52:10Speaker 03

  We have a few things, a few terms we've invented on our podcast, a few games, a few like recurring motifs, if you will. And we wanted to- It's a way to make sense of the world. It's a way to make sense of the world. We love kind of like theorizing and putting things into categories and boxes. And so we wanted to bring some of them to you guys so they can reach a wider audience. And I think it could really benefit both of us.

• 52:33Speaker 00

  Okay, great.

• 52:34Speaker 03

  We would love to be your mule.

• 52:36Speaker 00

  I would say we're on board.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  Do you want to do Lizzo or Heim first?

• 52:40Speaker 04

  Well, we might have to start with Heim.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  Okay. Okay.

• 52:43Speaker 00

  What was the other one?

• 52:44Speaker 03

  Let's talk about it. Lizzo. Lizzo, okay, great.

• 52:46Speaker 04

  So the first one is this game that we do where we put things-

• 52:50Speaker 03

  It's Mary fuck Jill, but you guys assign it to the Heim sisters. Yes, so it's the Heim sisters. It's called either Heim game or Haim lick, depending on our mood. And we give you three things and you have to choose which one of them is Danielle, which one of them is Esti, and which one of them is Alana. Now, for anyone who's not familiar with the personalities of the Heim sisters-

• 53:06Speaker 00

  Yes, break it down.

• 53:07Speaker 04

  No, no, let them, let them do it first.

• 53:08Speaker 00

  No, no, no, I want to hear George's-

• 53:10Speaker 04

  I think I want them to get creative with it.

• 53:13Speaker 03

  Okay, okay, okay. And then can we hear your sort of delineation? Yes. Okay, great. Maybe we'll do like a couple without any context and then I will- Yes.

• 53:19Speaker 00

  Okay, perfect.

• 53:19Speaker 03

  So how about this? So how about this? Let's start big. Gaga, Taylor, Beyonce. Which one is Alana Heim? Which one is Danielle Heim? Which one is Esti Heim? Okay.

• 53:30Speaker 00

  Okay, so I think that Esti Heim is Taylor Swift.

• 53:35Speaker 00

  I think that Danielle Heim is Beyonce, and I think that Alana Heim is Gaga. And the way that I could break that down is that Gaga and Alana both have not only promising film careers, but like already proven, like arguably like potentially equally talented in this pursuit as the other. I would say that Danielle Heim is the Beyonce because it's kind of like when you line all three up, it's like, well, well, you know, there's your front woman. I do believe that that there's a, there's like a certain like front woman glow there. And then I think Esti and Taylor, I think, I think just like, no, what I think is like creative backbone. I actually think like, I think artistic pursuit drives and also I do think cool girl vibes.

• 54:19Speaker 00

  I think you're gonna see them at the cool restaurant.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  Cool girl vibes, sort of social chair, sort of like the great sort of connector of all these different things.

• 54:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're leaving arm in arm from Via Carata. And everyone else that we're talking about is like not necessarily doing that.

• 54:33Speaker 03

  Right.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 54:36Speaker 03

  Okay, we'll do one more and then we'll get into it. Okay, for Bowen, Charmander, Bulbasaur, Squirtle.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you. Oh my God, that's so amazing. I'm gonna start with Squirtle as Esti, playful, bubbly.

• 54:50Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  Bulbasaur is Alana, super gr- no.

• 54:56Speaker 00

  I think Bulbasaur is Alana.

• 54:57Speaker 01

  Bulbasaur is Alana, grounded, slow to blossom.

• 55:02Speaker 00

  But then Venusaur.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  Big flower. Big flower.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  Big flower.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  Venusaur and Pocopia, the new hit Pokemon game. Uh, the personality that they assigned to Venusaur because they can talk because you play as a ditto transforming as a human being. And so Venusaur's personality is calling you dearie, saying, hi, dearie. It's so cute. Um, which that feels very Alana. And then, and then I guess Charmander, Danielle, like ultimately a fire.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:31Speaker 04

  I mean, the rocker.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  The rocker, the rocker girl, yeah, Charmeleon with the sort of the frown.

• 55:35Speaker 03

  Linkin Park, Evanescence.

• 55:36Speaker 00

  And also, like, ultimately, the Charizard hologram card was the one that was like...

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:43Speaker 04

  That's the one you want.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  That's the one you want.

• 55:45Speaker 04

  If you want one card, it's that one.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  It's that one.

• 55:47Speaker 00

  If you're lucky to get it. Because that's the thing, too, is Danielle is elusive like Charizard.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  Well, I've seen her like 15 times on the Los Feliz while I've been in New York.

• 55:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, so how many times have you seen Esti?

• 55:58Speaker 04

  Zero. I've never spotted, I've never spotted Esti.

• 56:01Speaker 03

  You've seen the other two?

• 56:02Speaker 00

  You've never spotted Esti?

• 56:03Speaker 04

  I've only spotted Danielle.

• 56:04Speaker 03

  Danielle's part-time job that she does, um, for supplemental income is being spotted.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  It's being spotted. Danielle's job?

• 56:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 56:12Speaker 00

  I would think, see, I feel like the, the bit that people do about Heim is that, like, Esti and Alana are like the girls of LA. They're out. And like, I feel like Danielle is the one that's a little bit more like...

• 56:24Speaker 01

  I'm in the studio.

• 56:25Speaker 00

  I might make it.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  But she's at the restaurant with the producer chatting about the next project.

• 56:30Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  She's going to the trendy restaurants and she's with a guy who's like, you know, he's like 45 years old, wearing Chuck Taylors and like a leather jacket and a side word beanie.

• 56:41Speaker 00

  I gotta say, we've, we've met them now a couple of times. It's like talking to y'all.

• 56:46Speaker 04

  So we're nothing to you?

• 56:47Speaker 03

  Well, we're in, we're based on them.

• 56:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. So which one of you is who, let's do this game for y'all.

• 56:53Speaker 03

  So I, so here's, I'll say sort of our interpretation of the Heims and then you can fill in the, fill in the blanks. To me, Danielle, they each represent a different archetype. Danielle, the CEO. Alana, the ingenue.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 57:09Speaker 03

  And Esti, the comedian.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 57:11Speaker 03

  So when we saw Heim in, at Barclays, I want to say.

• 57:14Speaker 04

  Madison Square Garden.

• 57:15Speaker 03

  Madison Square Garden, excuse me.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  The Barclays of Manhattan.

• 57:18Speaker 03

  The Barclays of Manhattan. Um, when Esti at some point was sort of like, and now this is the Esti section of the concert. She did a full 25-minute stand-up set and that led into her song.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Great.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  Whereas, so that's kind of her talent. Danielle's talent is being kind of like the, the brains behind the operation.

• 57:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:37Speaker 03

  Um, and then Alana, of course, she's winning Oscars. She's wearing a wig in one battle after another.

• 57:42Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 57:43Speaker 03

  Um, and she's, and she is the young one.

• 57:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  Sure. Now, what was your, now, you, you were gonna say this for after.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  What is your sort of, was that just it? Like you're, like the, the way you just described all three of them?

• 57:55Speaker 03

  I think those are the archetypes. Do you have anything?

• 57:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like the ingenue, the comedian, and the CEO.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 58:00Speaker 00

  Okay, so knowing this.

• 58:01Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 58:03Speaker 00

  Do we stand by what we've said?

• 58:04Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 58:04Speaker 03

  And I have, and we can do like one more if you want.

• 58:06Speaker 00

  We, we like this.

• 58:07Speaker 01

  And then, and then as a duo, we'll, we'll build together this last.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  Would you like to ask one of these?

• 58:15Speaker 00

  So considerate of each other.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 58:18Speaker 00

  It's intimate what just happened.

• 58:19Speaker 03

  I like this one. Um, mm.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  I know.

• 58:23Speaker 03

  Okay, let's do martini Manhattan Negroni.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  Oh, that's great.

• 58:28Speaker 00

  Martini Manhattan Negroni. So we're both martini gays. We love Negronis, though.

• 58:36Speaker 03

  Honey, we just love drinks.

• 58:38Speaker 00

  So, well, I mean, two of the drinks we really love, and I don't want this to correlate to.

• 58:42Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, no.

• 58:42Speaker 03

  If it's easier, we could do white, red, rosé. Whoa.

• 58:47Speaker 01

  Is it easier? But that, that feels like a color gradient that I feel like.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm gonna go back.

• 58:51Speaker 00

  It makes both, it makes both uncomfortable.

• 58:53Speaker 03

  I regret, I regret, right.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  I'm really uncomfortable.

• 58:55Speaker 03

  Can we cut that?

• 58:56Speaker 01

  Can we go? I have, I have one, I have one for the, for martini Manhattan, uh, Negroni.

• 59:01Speaker 00

  And then I'll do red, white, orange.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  I'm gonna start with Esti again. Uh, Esti is gonna be martini.

• 59:07Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 59:08Speaker 03

  Really?

• 59:09Speaker 01

  Fun, chic, sort of like.

• 59:10Speaker 00

  A little dirty.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  Out on the town.

• 59:11Speaker 03

  A little dirty.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Even though we've said, yeah, and we've said Esti is out of the town.

• 59:15Speaker 03

  The martini's being held and spilling.

• 59:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:17Speaker 03

  It's sloshing a bit.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Very Esti.

• 59:19Speaker 03

  That's fun.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  Um, I'm gonna say Manhattan is Alana, not necessarily the girl that you think of when you think of firsthand, like the Heim sort of, uh, trinary, ternary. But Alana, once you see her on her own, you're like, yes. Like, she's isolated in different sort of relief.

• 59:44Speaker 00

  Completely.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  And you're like, yes. And then Negroni, like, brooding, textured, earthy, Danielle.

• 59:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. Wow.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  That was beautiful.

• 59:52Speaker 00

  That was really amazing. For many of the same reasons, I was gonna say that red wine is Danielle. Like, I agree. It's robust. Red wine could not be more Danielle. Yeah, I mean, it expands as you, as, as you interact with it. Yes. White wine is Alanaheim. White wine is Alanaheim. Fun. Because there's something, and you know what? It's a little bit like, toss some club soda in there. Literally. You know what I mean? Make it a spritzer! That's nice. Suddenly, it's, it's, it's fun in a new way. Yeah. And the orange wine is Estiheim. Rosé. Oh, oh, oh.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  Rosé and orange wine.

• 1:00:28Speaker 00

  Rosé and orange are both Esti. I actually had orange wine two nights ago and loved the way I look, I guarantee it, because it was a little bit like organic and, and the, the waitress was like, ugh, not a lot of people are into this one, but the people that are are fucking upset. So Esti is like kombucha wine, fully. She's like, there's sediment in there, it's fizzy. Yeah, I think, I think you taste it and you're like, oh. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna keep going. Yeah, you're saying, I did not expect that that's what that would taste like. Yeah. But we'll take a bottle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's nice. And I would say the best, we all know the best thing with all these cocktails is to mix them up in one big bowl and just slurp it up. Four straws! Yeah, exactly. Oh, wait a minute!

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Clock 13.

• 1:01:13Speaker 00

  We should do that. We should do, we're getting scorpion bowls. When are we getting scorpion bowls?

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  Wait, so when Sarah Sherman was here, like a month ago, we were like on the pod, we were like, let's get martinis, and then they got us martinis.

• 1:01:24Speaker 00

  They got us martinis.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna make anybody do that now, but that would be so fun if we just sip.

• 1:01:27Speaker 00

  That would be so fun. Can I ask a question? Did we start this at two? Yeah.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Speaker 00

  Wait, what time is it? What time is it? Three! Oh! How the fuck is that? No, we came in a little late, right, Becca? Yeah. Why do you think time flies when you're having fun?

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  Clock it. Clock it. It was a question. It wasn't a clock slash statement. Oh. A clock is a statement, and it's also known as the must. Yeah, I thought you were doing like, a kiki is a party.

• 1:01:58Speaker 00

  Pop Roulette did What's Have a Kiki last year as one of our sketches.

• 1:02:02Speaker 04

  You just did the song?

• 1:02:03Speaker 00

  Remember that?

• 1:02:04Speaker 04

  You just?

• 1:02:04Speaker 00

  Last year? No, Pop Roulette!

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  That's what you said last year.

• 1:02:08Speaker 00

  Last year?

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  I was like, I did not know you were stalling.

• 1:02:12Speaker 00

  Isn't it crazy, sometimes you say words that you have no idea you said?

• 1:02:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:17Speaker 00

  And I'm like, what? And then like, sometimes I'll listen back to this for edits and I'll be like, what am I saying about that?

• 1:02:22Speaker 04

  That's an amazing defense for the next time you say something really offensive.

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  Rats, missed my window. What is Lizzo?

• 1:02:29Speaker 04

  Okay, so we wanted to tell you about Lizzo's past, which as a-

• 1:02:32Speaker 00

  Oh, I love Lizzo's past.

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  You know Lizzo's past?

• 1:02:34Speaker 03

  You played this.

• 1:02:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  Well, and it's less of a game, more of just a concept.

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  And can I say, here's the thing, Lizzo's past, no one can get upset about what is discussed when it comes to Lizzo's past because we all, you made the choice.

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  It's a choice.

• 1:02:49Speaker 03

  It's not offensive.

• 1:02:50Speaker 00

  No. No, it's an observation, it's an examination.

• 1:02:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But just, just for the, yeah, for everybody.

• 1:02:55Speaker 00

  For everyone out there trying to make something out of nothing, let's do it.

• 1:02:58Speaker 04

  So, Lizzo's past is when an artist gets to a certain point in their career, they're cool, they're underground, they're growing, they're growing, they're growing, they're gigantic, and it's like, what do you do next?

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:03:07Speaker 04

  And there's a narrow little path, and you either go to Target, or you go to Pitchfork.

• 1:03:12Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:03:13Speaker 04

  And we were saying, this is sort of where like Chapel Rohn is.

• 1:03:17Speaker 03

  She's at Lizzo's past. Yeah, she's at Lizzo's past. And I just want to say, you know, people forget, because this is Sam's concept, and he always, he always told me, people forget that Lizzo, because we are so used to her being this huge star.

• 1:03:31Speaker 00

  She started like indie rock.

• 1:03:32Speaker 03

  Not only indie, but like, like Minneapolis, like Prince endorsed her.

• 1:03:36Speaker 00

  Aurora, Colorado, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, she was like a cool, if you look up old articles about Lizzo, it's like, meet the punk rock body positive rapper that's shaking up the Midwest.

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there was, she did one show in Brooklyn that was like, the meanest gay guys all went to it, and we're like, this rocks.

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:03:54Speaker 04

  And it's like, and that won't happen now.

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  No. And she, and so she, and again, I say this with nothing but respect, she chose Target, she chose, she's like, I'm gonna do, you know, I'm gonna go for the moms. Yep.

• 1:04:05Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  She, you know who else chose Target? Pink. Yeah. Like, back in the day. And I, you know, if she had chosen Pitchfork, she would not be co-hosting for Kelly Clarkson.

• 1:04:13Speaker 00

  Right, right. And these are choices that haply made.

• 1:04:15Speaker 03

  That have happened. Now, the issue is, of course, there are some exceptions where someone can choose Target, then backtrack and go Pitchfork.

• 1:04:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, right.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  In my dream of dreams, that is what, that is what I am doing. Cause I feel like I've, I inadvertently chose Target and now I'm like, oh wait, no, no, no, I don't want this. You know what I mean?

• 1:04:35Speaker 00

  Well, I think it's, it's, it's pretty easy to choose Target when you realize what choosing Target means, which means you're gonna be financially set up.

• 1:04:43Speaker 03

  You're seeing dollar signs.

• 1:04:45Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  And I think Chapel, I think Chapel's past, Elizabet's past.

• 1:04:50Speaker 03

  Well, it's complicated. She is a really weird one.

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  Well, she's a weird, she's like slowly walking away from Elizabet's past, but it's like hard, it's like snowy and it's hard to see which way she's going.

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  I think she's, she's on, I think she's going to Pitchfork.

• 1:05:01Speaker 00

  I think a lot of people are pushing Chapel towards Target, but I think that like even if they really all, all hands on deck, at a meeting with Chapel present, we're like, hey, guys, look me in the eyes, we're choosing Target. She can't choose Target.

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  No, I think what happened with Chapel is-

• 1:05:18Speaker 00

  She's too, she's too Chapel-own.

• 1:05:20Speaker 04

  I think you're pointing something genius, which is that they're push, they're trying to make her go to Target and she's pushing against it. The wind is blowing her to Target and she's saying, no, I'm gonna wear the nipple piercing dress to the award show.

• 1:05:30Speaker 00

  And she's flat out here like, hey, I'm leaving the Wasserman Agency. This is a decision that I'm making. I will choose to make a wave in this way that's gonna make people uncomfortable again and again and again. That person cannot, they cannot stay at that.

• 1:05:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Speaker 03

  You know what I think happened? I think there was one summer where Chapel accidentally was pushed to Target. And then to quote Sam, she was like, oh, this is gauche. And then took the steps back.

• 1:05:55Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:05:55Speaker 03

  And went back to the past. I was like, I'm actually gonna pitch.

• 1:05:57Speaker 00

  It's like Charlie XCX for H and M. People were like confused by that. And then it's like, well, when you get to this level, like there's gonna be some interaction with Target. Like when you get to a certain point, like you can't, it's weird, cause is it easier to be doomed in one? I don't know.

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  Do you think anyone's doomed in Pitchfork?

• 1:06:16Speaker 00

  Because ultimately, then they're always gonna think, it's like what Charlie has always said, like, "Commercial success, commercial success," it always eluded her and also therefore tormented her, even someone as cool as her who had a mansion in Pitchfork land.

• 1:06:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Do you think, you know who chose Pitchfork?

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  She was a professor at Pitchfork U.

• 1:06:38Speaker 00

  She had the nicest, coziest, most tenured spot in Pitchfork land that you really could get.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  But Charlie is a case in someone who has been, who stayed at Lizzo Point despite other people trying to push her.

• 1:06:54Speaker 03

  Completely.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  She would do the "one for me, one for them" thing for like years, until Brad, which was supposed to be the Pitchfork thing, but then it fully pushed her to...

• 1:07:01Speaker 03

  Brad is like the Pitchfork stand inside the Target. It's like, there's a little Pitchfork capsule collection, and it's Charlie being like, "Do you want the tank top?"

• 1:07:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. She also made art about being at Lizzo's Pass.

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:07:15Speaker 00

  Which I guess makes her y'all's favorite pop star, outside of Lady Gaga.

• 1:07:19Speaker 03

  I mean, she's up there for me, for sure.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  Same.

• 1:07:21Speaker 03

  I mean, Charlie, it's like, that's like my family member.

• 1:07:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:26Speaker 03

  When you've been there from the beginning, she could come out and make like just a Fart Sounds album, and I'd be like, "You know, there's something to it."

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  I was in the shower and like, tracks from like XCX World, like the unreleased tracks kept, I was like TKO and like, "Can you hear me?" or whatever, and I was like, "Oh, Taxi", I was just like, "Oh."

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  I first...

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  This used to be Charlie, which is, I'm saying that can coexist with him.

• 1:07:48Speaker 03

  The first time I ever saw Charlie live was at the Chipotle Heritage Festival in San Francisco, California, and I wanna say, this is easily fact-checked...

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  And that's a crazy mix.

• 1:07:58Speaker 03

  I'm confused.

• 1:07:59Speaker 00

  Of Pitchfork.

• 1:08:00Speaker 03

  It was like, so this was, imagine like, peak millennial hipster food truck era.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:05Speaker 03

  You know what I mean?

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  San Francisco was the place to be.

• 1:08:07Speaker 03

  Exactly. San Francisco was the place to be, of course there's gonna be a Chipotle Heritage Festival that has a performance from Charlie XCX where she debuts her song "For the Fault in Our Stars."

• 1:08:15Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  Which was Boom Clap.

• 1:08:17Speaker 03

  Boom Clap.

• 1:08:18Speaker 00

  Charlie XX performing boom clap at the Chipotle Heritage Festival in San Francisco.

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 1:08:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Speaker 03

  That's when I said, I'm gonna be an artist.

• 1:08:27Speaker 04

  Honey, I have to be. I have a question. Podcaster to podcaster.

• 1:08:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:08:33Speaker 04

  Okay, I figured out the complicated relationship I want to untangle.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:08:36Speaker 04

  Okay, sort of. It's not that personal.

• 1:08:39Speaker 00

  Well, yeah.

• 1:08:40Speaker 04

  When you guys like talk to like somebody who you look up to a lot and you're like, you've been standing forever. And who you like, feel like you, do you feel like you have to be normal?

• 1:08:50Speaker 03

  We try and then we fail.

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  How do you do it? Cause when we talk to, when we talk to people, sometimes I see myself like if I don't, if I'm not personally friends with them, I immediately just turn into like the most like, like, so is it hard acting?

• 1:09:03Speaker 00

  I actually think we do a pretty good job.

• 1:09:05Speaker 03

  I think we do a great job.

• 1:09:06Speaker 00

  Of, of like trying to talk to them like they're human beings because it's just more fun to listen to.

• 1:09:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:12Speaker 00

  But it is hard when, when you meet this person for the very first time in a situation like this, to not be like a little effusive or a little stannish because, because you do have that type of adoration for that person and that tends to be how we treat anyone who comes here anyway.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  Yes, right, right. You're not doing like deadpan, like Adam Friedland.

• 1:09:40Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 1:09:41Speaker 03

  You're already, it's a positive environment.

• 1:09:43Speaker 01

  So, which feels, I don't know, normal or whatever, but like this, it's the same thing with like small talk where it's like, this is, you, this is what you do. It's small talk is for strangers. It's for you to suss out safety. And if you want to keep advancing this conversation or this relationship or whatever. It's, it's fawning and standing for like a pop star or an actor or whatever, or like some public figure that like is big. We're just like, this is for both of us, a way to like suss out how we want to advance this conversation.

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  Right, yeah.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  It's okay. It's like, we're not gonna break the seal and go in, like come in hot and be like, so like, what was it, like throw neck challenge? Like, we're not gonna do that with them.

• 1:10:23Speaker 04

  Sometimes I wish I could though.

• 1:10:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you know what? Sometimes we randomly do.

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 1:10:27Speaker 00

  Like it gets there with. Some people like we were we talked to Kate Blanchett about like what what what goes down at Bergkine and stuff like that. She talked about like certain things we never would have expected from her. I will say like sometimes a publicist will say in advance like, hey, like, don't touch on this, this and this. And I'll look at the things that they're that they're that they're um warning against us talking about. And I'm like, in what world? What I want to bring this up? Hey, so I noticed I noticed you haven't spoken to your sister in seven years. I want to ask you about that on camera. Like, no, I want to like basically tickle each other with words.

• 1:11:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:11:04Speaker 00

  And also, not for nothing, but it's it's it's kind of worked. So why would we, you know what I mean?

• 1:11:09Speaker 01

  But people people get like emotional and I don't know, not emotional, just people just feel a certain way whenever we like talk too effusively to people. And it's like, oh, this is you would do the same thing.

• 1:11:21Speaker 04

  Well, I immediately like when we had like Jesse Tyler Ferguson on, like I was like, this is gonna be so like, because we talk about liking Modern Family a lot, but it does come from a place of like when we were in our twenties, we were like, fuck this show. And then we like are gay married. Now we're like, we love this show.

• 1:11:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:37Speaker 04

  And it's like, but I'm like, I'm even afraid to say that. So the question like in my mind, I have this really complex emotional question. And then it comes out as like, so you're on Modern Family?

• 1:11:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:49Speaker 04

  And it's like not, there's no bite or edge to it. It's like, he's just like, yep, it was a good show. And I'm like, totally.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we've we've all worked in scenarios professionally where we've had to like approach like quote unquote talent or like um, you know, a celebrity or something for like a comedy show or like a TV show where like, okay, so these are your jokes. This is what we've written for you. It's like, there's just that part is removed. And instead, the thing that we're presenting to them is, thank you for being on our program. And like, this is, this is what we have to offer you because you came here for a reason and we're here for like, it's a mutually beneficial exchange of something. I don't know. You know, it's it's fine.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:27Speaker 00

  People are smarter, I think, than too, than sometimes like you might think they're gonna be coming in. It's like, when a certain celebrity comes in and they're like an A-list star, they probably know the bit about them. You know what I mean? Like, I think you guys, you guys could have had Jesse Tyler Ferguson come in or anyone come in like and be like, so you know that you're so mainstream gay famous that that that a certain gay men feel a certain way about it. And like you, but you do become a little bit of like a projection punchline. It's like, If he doesn't know that, then that would be weird.

• 1:13:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:13:02Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? I think we all are like experiencing some level of like what it means to be then a gay that gets to be the one where the things get projected on to.

• 1:13:13Speaker 03

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 1:13:14Speaker 00

  And so everyone, any media literate or internet literate person understands this. And maybe they've been dying to talk about like, hey, yeah, it feels this way, that way, or another way about like, just by existing as a gay guy in the public guy, it feels this way. Might not be a particularly interesting conversation, but it is something.

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  Um, when Mary Beth and I were doing the, when I was helping Mary Beth through the red carpet, what, or the first person she spoke to at the Golden Globes was Dylan Ephron. And I, and we hadn't prepared for him and, and so we didn't have anything ready. And I went up to her and I was like, ask him if he has any siblings. Just say, do you have any siblings? And she asked him and he didn't get the bit.

• 1:13:52Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:13:52Speaker 03

  There's video footage of this, it's on. But it was, I was like, this, to me, this is the perfect celebrity interaction, is Mary Beth asking, do you have any siblings? And Dylan Ephron being like, oh, yeah, I have a sister and a brother. And then Mary Beth goes, and this was improvised, she goes, oh, that Ephron.

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  That's so funny.

• 1:14:15Speaker 00

  I, my favorite things growing up, um, like when I watched any type of celebrity interview were like, I loved like Between Two Ferns.

• 1:14:23Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 1:14:24Speaker 00

  I loved like when people would come in. Sometimes I do feel like, ugh, a world where we could have just set up a thing that was more abject comedic. But the fact is, and this is okay to say, the fact is, when you really drill us down to who we are, that's not who we are.

• 1:14:41Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:14:42Speaker 00

  Like, we, we are a little bit more earnest than that. I would become exhausted pretending to just neg someone all the time and then have everyone think my personality was just that different from what it is. I don't know how.

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  But I, I think, I understand what you're saying, but I do think, as someone who's worked with you, you do have, if you can access that edge very easily, you just don't want that to be your defining quality.

• 1:15:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I, well, yes, I, I guess that's what I'm saying. It's like, that's the reason why I sometimes am annoyed about it because part, some of the time I do feel I, I would be more comfortable slash get away with more.

• 1:15:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:20Speaker 04

  If I just don't. Oh, God forbid kindness wins.

• 1:15:23Speaker 00

  Well, you know, but, but, but, but also then there's like another side to it, which is like, yeah, I kind of do.

• 1:15:29Speaker 04

  I'm crying at a wedding.

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  Do you remember when Zach Galifianakis asked Natalie Portman, so for V for Vendetta, you shaved your head. Did you also shave your V for vagina? That's.

• 1:15:41Speaker 00

  I do remember that.

• 1:15:44Speaker 03

  Shout out.

• 1:15:45Speaker 04

  Talk about notes of misogyny.

• 1:15:47Speaker 03

  Talk about notes of misogyny.

• 1:15:47Speaker 00

  Your V for vagina.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  Unsung here in all the Between Two Vern's was, um, the woman kind of like walking all the guests off. Just being like, yeah, I like a six foot tall woman, just like angling her face away from the camera. Just like, always like taking up like Sally Field and like telling her to walk this way. It's, uh.

• 1:16:08Speaker 00

  I think it's, wait, hold on. So you guys are kind of at Lizzo's Pass.

• 1:16:12Speaker 04

  We.

• 1:16:15Speaker 04

  Well, certainly, um, you know, interestingly, Perfume Genius and Jesse Tyler Ferguson is literally like, we are at Lizzo's Pass. That is Lizzo's Pass. It's like, do you choose Perfume Genius or do you choose Jesse Tyler Ferguson?

• 1:16:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  I think you guys.

• 1:16:27Speaker 04

  It couldn't be more clear.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  You guys are so, I think you guys will, without even intention, go towards Pitchfork.

• 1:16:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  That's just, I feel like that is, and.

• 1:16:36Speaker 04

  I think, I want to say Sam is very good at keeping us Pitchfork. Sometimes I get carried away. We'll get like a request for a guest and I'll just be like, no name. Let's do like, yes, like that'll. Call him the Sex and the City movie because he gets carried away. I do get carried away. I was gonna call you that too.

• 1:16:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:01Speaker 04

  But we, that's the, that's the balance.

• 1:17:03Speaker 03

  That's the balance.

• 1:17:04Speaker 04

  Because some, like I, yeah, sometimes I, well, I also literally, the moment I'm looking at someone's eyes, I'm like, I don't know your name. I don't know what you're in. I don't know what songs he's saying. Like, really hard. I'm like, when you said my dates, I was like, I don't know my dates. Like, that's crazy.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  Out the ear. I don't even know that. I can't tell you the dates now. I held on to it for the time that I had to.

• 1:17:25Speaker 04

  That is amazing. Like, I keep saying Jesse Tyler Ferguson. I'm like, that is his name, right? Like, I forget stuff. Like.

• 1:17:31Speaker 00

  Well, this is another element of, I think, it's like when you do get pitched a certain name for the podcast, it is also like, it's not just, of course, you're thinking about it like an episode of the show, but it's also like, do I want to hang out with that person?

• 1:17:44Speaker 01

  Completely.

• 1:17:44Speaker 00

  And then sometimes it's like, oh, I, I don't think I'd ever get an opportunity if it wasn't this, to hang out with that person and meet that person and ask them questions. So of course, we're gonna say yes to it.

• 1:17:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. But like, how did you guys-

• 1:17:55Speaker 03

  Is this gonna be a good hang?

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  Good hang. Oh.

• 1:17:58Speaker 03

  Which was the original-

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  How did you get cut through it with?

• 1:18:00Speaker 03

  Original name of our podcast.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  She sued us for it.

• 1:18:04Speaker 03

  She sued us for it. She's a, she's so awful in person.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Why did she sue you if, if it was your original?

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  She sued me. Um, she sued me because, um, I wrote Baby Mama.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  Um, and then she fully copied, I had a meeting with her.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:18:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  Um, and she said, I hate this idea. Um, you're a complete flop. She called me a lot of homophobic slurs.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:26Speaker 03

  And then next morning, I saw on Variety, she was developing a film called Baby Mama with, um, someone named Tina Fey.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  So messed up.

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  And this is, yeah, this is when you were really on Variety, really on The Trades.

• 1:18:36Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  In 2006.

• 1:18:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:39Speaker 00

  That was when they were the best.

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  They were the best then.

• 1:18:41Speaker 00

  Oh, my God, The Trades in 2006.

• 1:18:43Speaker 03

  Take me back.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  Take me back to the good trades. Variety, Spring, 2006.

• 1:18:47Speaker 03

  Oh, honey, you know the photo shoot.

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  I have it framed in my bathroom. Wait, what was I gonna say? Um, um, um, um, um.

• 1:18:55Speaker 00

  There was a period-

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  Baby Mama, um.

• 1:18:56Speaker 00

  There was a period of time where like, I was being sent a lot of magazines, because I, I guess I, I signed up for like, the ones online, and so I was getting the physical copies. And I walked, I, I had them all on my, um, on my coffee table in LA, and Joel walks in and he goes, it's like ICM in here.

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  Funny.

• 1:19:15Speaker 00

  Oh, industry joke.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Funny. Oh, my God. Wow. Um, I think it's time.

• 1:19:21Speaker 00

  Might be time.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:19:22Speaker 03

  You're, you're right, you're right.

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  No, you're right. We're going. No, you're right. Well, there's- I'm happy to keep going.

• 1:19:28Speaker 03

  No, no, Lena Dunham's coming, we got it.

• 1:19:30Speaker 01

  Can we say something? When's she arriving? When's she arriving?

• 1:19:32Speaker 00

  She's getting her four, we started four thirty. But the thing about four, I don't think so, honeys, is there's four of them and they always, as Beyonce once said-

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  No, of course.

• 1:19:39Speaker 00

  Start all this conversation. So when, a lot of people get so upset when they hear it's time, because they think, oh, my God, the podcast is ending, but really, you know what it means?

• 1:19:48Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:19:49Speaker 00

  It just means the appetizer has hit the table, babe. And now we can start eating, which is what this segment is all about. Eating something up in culture for 60 seconds.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  I say I love Amy Poehler and if anyone takes that clip out of context,

• 1:20:03Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:20:03Speaker 03

  I'm suing.

• 1:20:04Speaker 04

  You know who's gonna take it out of context? Amy Poehler.

• 1:20:05Speaker 03

  No, I.

• 1:20:06Speaker 04

  And she's gonna sue your ass again.

• 1:20:07Speaker 03

  This is where you come to get things taken out of context. And the entire Golden Globes. Um, I think she, it was a little, I think I scared her a little bit. No, no. But I literally, I, I did, she was the only person. It's impossible not to scare anybody.

• 1:20:21Speaker 00

  It's time. I already set up the segment. If you don't know, now you know again. It's I Don't Think So Honey. All right, I'm ready.

• 1:20:28Speaker 03

  Here we go. This is, you're gonna start, I assume?

• 1:20:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:20:31Speaker 03

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• 1:20:35Speaker 00

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• 1:23:56Speaker 00

  Without fail, there's a fake spring. There's a four or five day period where they're like, oh, my God, everyone's dressing horrible again in the streets. And by horrible, I mean, I see you gay guys with those shorts. Yes, you know, the one that are too short and too tight. And you whip them out and you can see them all around the city from approximately February 28th to March 7th, 8th. There's always, without fail, a period where you think the groundhog done became a slut. Thirty six. And got on his slutty shorts for himself. But the fact is, you're going to get to something like March 11th, 12, 13th, and it's Roaring back in like a lion, out like a lamb. Honey, this lion lamb, she has a lot of questions about her identity.

• 1:24:38Speaker 00

  March, she is experimenting, babe, and she will continue to experiment. You will never know what she's really like. Stay in the house. It's not spring yet. It won't be spring until April 30th. And then it will be summer on May 4th. This is the way it goes. I don't think so, honey. Anything else?

• 1:24:56Speaker 01

  And that's one of the. Wow.

• 1:24:58Speaker 04

  Incredible.

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  Really beautiful. Um, I think I, what else?

• 1:25:04Speaker 00

  How else was it?

• 1:25:05Speaker 04

  Well, I, I just have to say that, you know, as someone that has been living in LA for the last two years, it's like so nice to be like caring about the weather.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Shut up.

• 1:25:15Speaker 04

  No, I, and thank you for saying shut up because I keep feeling, I keep talking to people and I can feel the LA stink on me. And I'm like, I've lived here for so long, like in New York and, and.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  You like it better now there.

• 1:25:26Speaker 04

  No, don't say things like that. No, don't say things like that. It's just a trade off.

• 1:25:30Speaker 01

  Um, okay, uh, uh, um, Heim sisters, uh, Chicago, New York, LA.

• 1:25:36Speaker 04

  Um, okay, well.

• 1:25:38Speaker 00

  This is tough.

• 1:25:39Speaker 04

  I think Esti is Chicago because she's down to have some actual fucking fun.

• 1:25:44Speaker 00

  Second city trained.

• 1:25:45Speaker 04

  Second city trained. She will riff like no one else can.

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:50Speaker 04

  I think Danielle is New York because she's tough.

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:54Speaker 04

  She's tough and a rocker.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:56Speaker 04

  And a rocker.

• 1:25:58Speaker 04

  Because she's in the films.

• 1:26:00Speaker 00

  And she's, she's in movies.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. She's a movie star. I agree. Yeah. That's amazing.

• 1:26:02Speaker 00

  I mean, how could you disagree with that?

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  I mean, it would be crazy.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um. And they're all from California. Okay. Uh, what was I gonna say? Oh, I think I saw a rom pim in Hell's Kitchen when I was.

• 1:26:15Speaker 04

  Like a T V T? Like, do they still make those?

• 1:26:17Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:26:18Speaker 01

  That is not okay. I think it was like, or is it?

• 1:26:20Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:26:21Speaker 01

  Have we horseshoed theory, have we horseshoed theory on rom pims?

• 1:26:25Speaker 00

  I ordered one blue striped want rom pim during, you guessed it, the pandemic and.

• 1:26:32Speaker 01

  Well past the.

• 1:26:33Speaker 04

  Honey, that was already too late.

• 1:26:36Speaker 00

  Trust me, I know. I put it on and I was like, oh, God.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  Well, anyway.

• 1:26:40Speaker 04

  Well.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  That was beautiful.

• 1:26:41Speaker 04

  If romp him, come back ironically, that's kind of fun. There's something to it.

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 1:26:45Speaker 00

  A romp him? I don't know. Who could bring a romp him back?

• 1:26:48Speaker 03

  Harry Styles.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  Harry Styles.

• 1:26:49Speaker 00

  Harry Styles. I do like his fashion.

• 1:26:53Speaker 04

  No, it's fun. It's fun.

• 1:26:54Speaker 00

  Ties. I like it.

• 1:26:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, I like the tie thing.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:26:58Speaker 00

  All right, you ready for your, I don't think so honey?

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  Yes, and it actually, it kind of dovetails right off of what we just spoke about.

• 1:27:02Speaker 00

  Okay, this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  I Don't Think So Honey, marry, fuck, kill. I think let's expand the choices. It shouldn't be a trinary. How about marry, fuck, ghost, gaslight, talk to at a wedding, and maybe hook up?

• 1:27:17Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 1:27:18Speaker 00

  Fucks.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  Fuck. Well, that's already.

• 1:27:20Speaker 03

  That's already.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  Oh, that's fuck? No, no, but the, the, the, the seduction, oh, seduce and then, um, seduce and then, you know, pay for dinner, but then second guess that you're second, sending mixed signals. I don't know. I think.

• 1:27:35Speaker 00

  Thirty seconds.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  I think we can just, we can always, we can always expand sort of the, uh, the sort of matrix of choice here. Um, that's it. I don't really have any sort of fiery take on that. I just, I think, I think everyone's open to this idea.

• 1:27:45Speaker 00

  Twenty seconds left. Keep going.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  Unless you like the simplicity of marry, fuck, kill. You can't do this with like the Heim sisters necessarily, right? You can't, you know, there, that, that is an elegant sort of, uh, decision tree. Like, it's only three choices. You can't have more. But, um, you know, marry, fuck, kill. There are so many more things you can do, uh, within.

• 1:28:03Speaker 00

  Plant a tree.

• 1:28:03Speaker 01

  Just in life, plant a tree with the thing, with the concept.

• 1:28:06Speaker 00

  And that's one minute.

• 1:28:07Speaker 04

  Woo!

• 1:28:08Speaker 03

  And here's my question for you. Are you Sabrina Carpenter? Cause that was short and sweet.

• 1:28:12Speaker 04

  Oh!

• 1:28:14Speaker 00

  You know what? We're gonna do it. And this is gonna be the last marry, fuck, kill, at least ever on this podcast, and maybe ever. Marry, fuck, kill. The Heim sisters.

• 1:28:24Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:28:25Speaker 00

  What a gorgeous.

• 1:28:26Speaker 03

  We, you know, we've, we've planned, we scripted out our entire appearance here so that we would not offend any of the Heim sisters.

• 1:28:32Speaker 00

  We scripted out!

• 1:28:33Speaker 03

  Like, I, and I think we've done a really good job. Like, even when we're describing them, obviously.

• 1:28:37Speaker 00

  Then you know what? Let's do it Bowen Yang style. Marry, fuck, talk to at a wedding, and just hook up. Just kiss. No insertion.

• 1:28:46Speaker 04

  I like that.

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:47Speaker 00

  And that, there's still really good things about that because you actually have a conversation with the person. You remember it fondly, whereas with fucking, it's just sex.

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  And it's not hiero, it's not hierarchical at all. Those are all, those all live very horizontally.

• 1:28:58Speaker 04

  I have it.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:59Speaker 00

  Go ahead.

• 1:29:00Speaker 04

  Okay, I want to marry Alana. I just think we could build a beautiful life together.

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:29:05Speaker 00

  You guys have the same sense of humor.

• 1:29:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:08Speaker 04

  I want to, um, I want to talk at a wedding and kiss Danielle.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:13Speaker 04

  I just feel like at a wedding, like, it'd be so fun.

• 1:29:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, the string lights.

• 1:29:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, and it's like, so what's music like? And she's like, and what, what's, what do you do?

• 1:29:25Speaker 00

  And then you guys make out.

• 1:29:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, and then we make out and it's like, that was fun, actually. I didn't think I was gonna have fun at this one.

• 1:29:30Speaker 00

  And this one.

• 1:29:31Speaker 01

  This one.

• 1:29:32Speaker 00

  Someone gets invited to a lot of weddings.

• 1:29:34Speaker 01

  And then fuck Esti?

• 1:29:34Speaker 04

  And then fuck Esti, because you know we're having a fucking blast. We're in the hotel room, we're getting kicked out. Like, it's gonna be crazy in there.

• 1:29:41Speaker 00

  You're doing that thing where, you're doing that thing where one person gets on the other and takes a bottle of, like, whiskey and pours it on their chest and, like, licks it off.

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  You know what Esti is doing? You know what Esti the comedian is doing? She is coming, she is Abby Jacobson style, coming out with a giant strap on.

• 1:29:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, she's pegging.

• 1:29:57Speaker 03

  And she goes, "Let's peg!" That's, that's Esti.

• 1:30:01Speaker 00

  That is Esti.

• 1:30:02Speaker 04

  That's awesome.

• 1:30:02Speaker 00

  And you're like, "Good girl, what?" And she goes, "Dude, I'm just kidding."

• 1:30:07Speaker 00

  Are you fucking kidding me? That would be crazy.

• 1:30:08Speaker 03

  You're like, "I'm just kidding, we're watching Bridget Jones, bitch."

• 1:30:10Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:30:11Speaker 03

  And then you watch Bridget Jones.

• 1:30:12Speaker 00

  The new one. And then you're so excited that she meant the new one. You were hoping she meant the new one.

• 1:30:15Speaker 04

  I meant to see it.

• 1:30:16Speaker 00

  Oh my god, it was good, actually.

• 1:30:18Speaker 04

  I didn't mean to see it, I haven't seen it.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  I haven't seen it either.

• 1:30:20Speaker 03

  Leah Whittle, great talent.

• 1:30:21Speaker 00

  Good, you don't expect the turns it takes.

• 1:30:23Speaker 04

  Oh, I can't wait.

• 1:30:24Speaker 00

  And Renee? Turns of performance?

• 1:30:27Speaker 04

  Shout out.

• 1:30:28Speaker 00

  One of the greats.

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't think so, honey, quickly, just, I thought with Renee, we learned not to comment on people's faces with the whole Jim Carrey thing. I'm like, everybody stop.

• 1:30:35Speaker 04

  The Jim Carrey thing was shocking to me. They're trying to couch it in conspiracy culture as well, to like, get away with it. And it's like, no, you're still not getting away with it.

• 1:30:43Speaker 01

  That's enough.

• 1:30:43Speaker 03

  Do not comment on Jim Carrey's appearance and do not ask him about vaccines.

• 1:30:48Speaker 00

  I wouldn't.

• 1:30:51Speaker 04

  I mean, to be fair, if I were to meet Jim Carrey, the last thing I'd bring up is vaccines.

• 1:30:54Speaker 03

  I know, he's a literally comedy legend. Like, I would be like, I forgive you for everything else.

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  All good, but if you step in front of a step and repeat, you're gonna be asked about vaccines. That's the world we live in. Okay, time to turn it over.

• 1:31:06Speaker 00

  Okay. Now, who wants to go first?

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  I feel like yours is a good finale. Am I wrong?

• 1:31:11Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:31:11Speaker 03

  Cause it's like meta.

• 1:31:13Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:31:13Speaker 03

  But you wanna go first?

• 1:31:14Speaker 04

  No, you go first.

• 1:31:14Speaker 03

  It's meta, is it?

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  Like, in the Zuckerberg sound?

• 1:31:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's pro Zuckerberg.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, great.

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:31:18Speaker 04

  It's a, this is an ad.

• 1:31:19Speaker 03

  Well, it's sponsored by Meta. Well, sorry, this episode is sponsored by Meta.

• 1:31:22Speaker 04

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:31:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, this episode is actually only gonna be on threads, and transcript on threads for the first week.

• 1:31:28Speaker 03

  You gonna say something?

• 1:31:29Speaker 04

  Uh, no, no, it's fine. The riff, the riff has passed.

• 1:31:33Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 1:31:33Speaker 04

  RIP that riff.

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  RIP.

• 1:31:35Speaker 00

  So it's you.

• 1:31:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:36Speaker 00

  Here's George Civeris's "I don't think so, honey." His time starts now.

• 1:31:40Speaker 03

  "I don't think so, honey." Little stores that don't have price tags on anything.

• 1:31:44Speaker 00

  Oh!

• 1:31:45Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, I'm walking into, let's say, a trendy menswear boutique, okay? Sure, you're Danish, you're Japanese, we all have the right to self-actualize. I walk in, I'm a guest. I'm being looked up and down by a bunch of Wilhelmina models. They're literally full-time Wilhelmina models, they're only doing this part-time because they wanna practice being cruel to people. I'm going through asymmetrical blazers, graphic tees, whatever. Suddenly, it occurs to me, I don't know what any of these things cost. I go up to, I go up to the person, I say, "How much is this?" Suddenly, they say, like it's nothing, "Oh, that's $850." Suddenly, I have to be a Steppenwolf-level actor, and my reaction has to be, "Oh, well, that's around what I thought it would be."

• 1:32:23Speaker 00

  My favorite price.

• 1:32:24Speaker 03

  Suddenly, I stop asking because I'm embarrassed. I go to the counter, suddenly I'm paying $800. I, sorry, this is a store with no price tags, and then I'm surprisingly paying a million dollars. What is this? The American healthcare system? What is this? A art installation that's commenting on the American healthcare system? I didn't come here to think, I came to buy a blazer. And by the way, "I don't think so, honey" Patti Smith. Enough with the memoirs! We get it!

• 1:32:49Speaker 00

  One minute. Thank god she caught that straight after the minute.

• 1:32:54Speaker 01

  How much did a blazer cost?

• 1:32:56Speaker 03

  You know, a blazer, I'm okay overpaying. Because it's structured, it's tailoring. My issue is like, a button down shirt should not be expensive.

• 1:33:09Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 1:33:09Speaker 03

  A t-shirt should, well, a t-shirt if it's like, you know, sort of like a Supreme collab or something again.

• 1:33:14Speaker 00

  It's crazy when you realize what, what prices are for a nice thing.

• 1:33:19Speaker 03

  No, it's insane.

• 1:33:20Speaker 00

  When I was like, all throughout our twenties, like, I'll never forget. I'm sorry, I won't do this to you again. After this. So he bought a, my, my sister, my beloved, my twin, went to Maison Kitchune and bought, what was it, it was like a $350 sweatshirt. And at the time, I didn't think it was possible.

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  I shouldn't, I shouldn't have purchased it. I agree.

• 1:33:43Speaker 00

  But that's, but that, when you find out like what a designer, a nice sweatshirt is, it's like, whatever.

• 1:33:49Speaker 00

  That's how much they are. That's just the reality of it at a store like that. But I was, I was of the mind that you don't pay more than $45 for a hooded sweatshirt. There's no way.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  But that's the voice in your head that is your mother while you're at Urban Outfitters being like, we're not, I'm not paying a hundred dollars for a jacket.

• 1:34:04Speaker 03

  Every single time I buy a pair of shoes, like, even if it's just like a normal pair of tennis shoes, I'm like, this is insane.

• 1:34:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:34:10Speaker 03

  Like, I'm being robbed.

• 1:34:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you know what? Go to Converse. $60.

• 1:34:14Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:34:15Speaker 00

  $60 for a classical American shoe that will never go out of style. You guys were waiting for it to happen.

• 1:34:23Speaker 01

  There is a culture of silence in retail right now where that's.

• 1:34:26Speaker 03

  No, completely. Yes.

• 1:34:27Speaker 01

  Culture of silence and.

• 1:34:29Speaker 03

  And shame.

• 1:34:29Speaker 01

  Not dis or misinformation, uninformation.

• 1:34:31Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:34:33Speaker 00

  I'm gonna give you a line to say, if you ever want to use it, it's one of my favorite bits. Whenever anyone says the price, you just look at them in the eye and you go, my favorite price.

• 1:34:47Speaker 00

  Works every time.

• 1:34:49Speaker 03

  My favorite price.

• 1:34:51Speaker 00

  That'll be 98.42, especially if it's too much. You just go, well, it's my favorite price. And they. They take a minute, they take a second and a half to be like, what?

• 1:35:02Speaker 04

  What do you mean?

• 1:35:02Speaker 00

  They're like, oh, he's a goof.

• 1:35:04Speaker 04

  That's so funny.

• 1:35:05Speaker 00

  He's a clown and a goof. Alright, are you ready?

• 1:35:07Speaker 04

  Uh, yes.

• 1:35:08Speaker 00

  This is Sam Taggart's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

• 1:35:12Speaker 04

  I don't think so, honey. Forcing celebrities to be normal. I think celebrities are our weirdest people. They're completely isolated. They are unbound by the same things that we are. And we punish them when they say weird stuff. They should be allowed to say weird stuff. Timothy Chalamet should be able to say the ballet is boring. That's fine.

• 1:35:30Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:35:30Speaker 04

  And I think we should not attack them and our media ecosystem needs to coddle and support them and say, I want to hear what else you're cooking up in there.

• 1:35:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:38Speaker 04

  Because it's sort of like a feral child. Like, it's like, you have a different brain than anyone else because you exist in like a different structure of society. And like, even like you guys, like, like Matt, like before we started recording, like you were talking about the vaccines and you were saying all this really smart stuff. And like, I just think you should say it on mic. Like, that's awesome that you're doing research. Like,

• 1:35:58Speaker 03

  Parents' trust.

• 1:35:58Speaker 04

  Like, and Bowen, like, of course, like all this stuff you were saying about Taylor Swift was like, I thought really, really smart. Like, everyone, no one's above critique, so just say it on mic.

• 1:36:07Speaker 00

  Five seconds.

• 1:36:08Speaker 04

  I think that's amazing. So let celebrities be freaking weird, keep Austin weird, and choose Pitchfork, y'all.

• 1:36:14Speaker 00

  That's one minute.

• 1:36:17Speaker 00

  We think Taylor Swift created the coronavirus in Wuhan.

• 1:36:23Speaker 03

  Not in a lab, though. Outside.

• 1:36:24Speaker 00

  No, we think she made it.

• 1:36:26Speaker 03

  She made it with a bunch of Swedes.

• 1:36:27Speaker 00

  Well, how do you think she, she, she put narcotics into all of her songs? That's why you're all singing along? So you think she can't make the coronavirus?

• 1:36:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I didn't hear me singing along, but.

• 1:36:38Speaker 00

  Well, you obviously haven't.

• 1:36:40Speaker 03

  You haven't listened to the song.

• 1:36:41Speaker 00

  You haven't streamed Evermore because she's obviously a witch. And she said that in her Eras Tour.

• 1:36:46Speaker 03

  She said she's a witch in her Eras Tour? She went hamnet mode?

• 1:36:49Speaker 00

  Like this.

• 1:36:50Speaker 03

  Oh, that's so interesting.

• 1:36:51Speaker 00

  You obviously didn't go to the Eras Tour.

• 1:36:53Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:36:54Speaker 01

  You would have had a great time.

• 1:36:55Speaker 00

  How do you expect to get along with the Heim girls if you're not even gonna go to the Eras Tour?

• 1:37:00Speaker 04

  I want to know what they're saying. I want to know what those Heim girls are saying when the doors are closed and they check for hidden mics.

• 1:37:05Speaker 03

  So you support a surveillance state?

• 1:37:07Speaker 04

  Essentially. No, the opposite. I think we have a surveillance state and we need to get the Heims in a room with no mics.

• 1:37:12Speaker 03

  But you want to know what they're saying in the room?

• 1:37:15Speaker 04

  I'm not a mic.

• 1:37:18Speaker 00

  You're pro mic in the room. You're a Russian's plan.

• 1:37:20Speaker 04

  I'm in the room.

• 1:37:22Speaker 00

  I'm in the corner. Go ahead, girl.

• 1:37:27Speaker 03

  Get the high sisters together in a room. By the way, 40 seconds in, they're already doing a TikTok dance. They're perfectly synchronized.

• 1:37:32Speaker 00

  I am so blown away by their synchronization.

• 1:37:35Speaker 03

  No, it's crazy.

• 1:37:36Speaker 00

  I can only describe it as sisterly.

• 1:37:37Speaker 04

  It's almost as if they're performers.

• 1:37:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:37:41Speaker 00

  Sips tea. It's almost as if they're performers.

• 1:37:44Speaker 04

  Clockwork.

• 1:37:45Speaker 00

  I turn, I turn, I turn to my right. It's almost as if they're performers. I turn to my, it's a perfect commercial.

• 1:37:49Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 1:37:50Speaker 00

  Just like, holding it at the angle, all I see is-

• 1:37:52Speaker 03

  That's actually crushed Ritz crackers.

• 1:37:56Speaker 00

  All I felt was the humor and the impact. All I saw were two words, Diet Coke. Go Boing Yang. You really chose Target.

• 1:38:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:38:05Speaker 00

  And in a way, we all did by being in this room and talking to you all.

• 1:38:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's right. Everyone's complicit. We are all complicit.

• 1:38:12Speaker 00

  Oh, always.

• 1:38:13Speaker 03

  Always.

• 1:38:13Speaker 00

  Look at this, look at this color. These colors run red.

• 1:38:16Speaker 04

  We had a comment once that was like, that was like, I can't believe these people are talking about like, anti-capitalism with an iHeart thing on their microphone. And it was like, chill out. We contain multitudes.

• 1:38:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. I think we're all here contains even so much more than just Pitchfork and Target.

• 1:38:32Speaker 04

  Who has the most multitudes?

• 1:38:33Speaker 00

  Who has the most multitudes here?

• 1:38:34Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 1:38:36Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:38:37Speaker 00

  I think it's-

• 1:38:37Speaker 04

  I'm out of the rumming.

• 1:38:39Speaker 00

  No, I don't think you are at all.

• 1:38:40Speaker 04

  I think I'm really out.

• 1:38:41Speaker 03

  You've got, you, you've got a toot. You've had a toot all day. Don't talk with him like that.

• 1:38:49Speaker 00

  Who, who is more protective than the other?

• 1:38:52Speaker 03

  So far, George has been more protective of Sam.

• 1:38:54Speaker 00

  Well, natural top.

• 1:38:55Speaker 03

  Well, that's because Sam is a visitor to New York City. When I'm in LA, Sam is more protective of me.

• 1:38:59Speaker 00

  Is that, do you really feel that way?

• 1:39:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, Jessica Ferguson kept coming for George hard.

• 1:39:02Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:39:03Speaker 00

  And then in San Francisco, you, because both of you kind of felt like visitors.

• 1:39:07Speaker 03

  I feel like I'm protective of Sam, but then I also, at this point, every time we go, I'm like, I'm gonna show you George's San Francisco. And then it's sort of like, this is the third wave of coffee shop I used to go to.

• 1:39:18Speaker 04

  It's the same when we go to Chicago and I'm like, I love this place. And it's like, I went there once when I was 21. Like, I don't actually know.

• 1:39:23Speaker 00

  Have you been to Boston with him?

• 1:39:25Speaker 03

  We've been to Boston together, yeah.

• 1:39:26Speaker 00

  That's fun.

• 1:39:26Speaker 04

  That was fun.

• 1:39:27Speaker 00

  Here's what I don't understand. Um, you have a friend in town, I'm just gonna show them around.

• 1:39:33Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:39:34Speaker 00

  What does that mean? They're having sex.

• 1:39:38Speaker 03

  Honey, that means book yourself a ticket to the High Line, because we're walking to the Whitney.

• 1:39:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, that's what it means.

• 1:39:44Speaker 00

  I keep getting, um, like, letters from the Whitney. Like, not letters, like, like, what do you call them? Like, postcards? Please, come on. Mailers. Yeah, I think, I think all of New York City is. George speaks me.

• 1:39:57Speaker 00

  Greek knows what word I'm not.

• 1:39:58Speaker 03

  It's because we're both Greeks.

• 1:39:59Speaker 00

  It's because we're both Greeks.

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  I think he's still, I think Greek, Turkish, as 23 and me came back Turkish.

• 1:40:05Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:40:06Speaker 01

  But it's like, it's all Mediterranean.

• 1:40:07Speaker 03

  It's all Mediterranean. I mean, Greece was under Turkish rule, so that's probably your ancestors.

• 1:40:10Speaker 00

  That's why I cried your whole wedding.

• 1:40:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:12Speaker 00

  Because I was like, I wish I could be a part of this culture.

• 1:40:17Speaker 00

  I'm without a culture. Just sobbing and sobbing to your family.

• 1:40:22Speaker 04

  That's actually better though.

• 1:40:23Speaker 03

  No, you do have a culture.

• 1:40:24Speaker 04

  That's like two more multitudes.

• 1:40:25Speaker 03

  Disney.

• 1:40:29Speaker 00

  Or Lando. Okay, wait, gotta say it, favorite joke of all time that didn't make it into an SNL. It's this, it's Heidi Gardner in a Flora Bama Shore sketch.

• 1:40:40Speaker 00

  And she goes, I was born in the China part of Epcot centers, so I'm half Chinese, half Disney.

• 1:40:50Speaker 03

  God, funny.

• 1:40:51Speaker 01

  L O L.

• 1:40:52Speaker 00

  Epcot centers.

• 1:40:54Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 1:40:55Speaker 01

  Are you kidding?

• 1:40:57Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 1:40:58Speaker 00

  Well, wasn't this great?

• 1:41:00Speaker 04

  This was so fun.

• 1:41:01Speaker 00

  We had, we had, it shouldn't take this long for us all to get.

• 1:41:04Speaker 04

  It's been forever.

• 1:41:05Speaker 03

  The episode, I was like, okay, roll out.

• 1:41:08Speaker 00

  This long.

• 1:41:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, we just didn't hit that laugh quota.

• 1:41:10Speaker 00

  We gotta all get together without these things.

• 1:41:13Speaker 03

  Let's go see Wuthering Heights.

• 1:41:15Speaker 00

  I actually, well, you know, I already saw it.

• 1:41:17Speaker 03

  I haven't seen it yet, have you?

• 1:41:17Speaker 04

  Me either.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  I have not seen it.

• 1:41:19Speaker 03

  Do you want to go?

• 1:41:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:41:19Speaker 03

  Let's go.

• 1:41:20Speaker 00

  I would go second time.

• 1:41:21Speaker 03

  I need to use my regal membership.

• 1:41:22Speaker 00

  Always everywhere. Actually, it's my favorite album of hers.

• 1:41:26Speaker 01

  It's a great album.

• 1:41:26Speaker 00

  I shouldn't have said that.

• 1:41:27Speaker 03

  And let's see Serat.

• 1:41:28Speaker 00

  Oh, people talk about Serat.

• 1:41:31Speaker 03

  That's true. Clock it.

• 1:41:32Speaker 00

  So when he starts to talk about like foreign films or like, you know, sort of.

• 1:41:37Speaker 03

  Do you need us to leave because Lena is probably outside?

• 1:41:39Speaker 00

  No, no, no.

• 1:41:40Speaker 04

  Can you see my eyes just like, okay, I think disappear?

• 1:41:43Speaker 00

  Well, that's kind of sometimes me like during certain subjects.

• 1:41:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:46Speaker 00

  We've always said I'm the you.

• 1:41:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:48Speaker 01

  But I feel like there's a, there's an inversion happening.

• 1:41:51Speaker 03

  Completely.

• 1:41:51Speaker 01

  I feel like I'm the you now.

• 1:41:53Speaker 04

  Well, there's a twist. There's something.

• 1:41:55Speaker 03

  We know.

• 1:41:55Speaker 00

  We have our own thing.

• 1:41:56Speaker 03

  With one look, we know.

• 1:41:58Speaker 00

  We have our, George and I have our own thing.

• 1:41:59Speaker 03

  And also, interestingly enough, professionally speaking, Matt and I have worked together professionally and you two have worked together professionally.

• 1:42:05Speaker 04

  That's true. Well, but also I've worked with Matt a little.

• 1:42:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:09Speaker 03

  A little.

• 1:42:09Speaker 00

  We actually had, we, we were, we giggled and gagged.

• 1:42:13Speaker 01

  At?

• 1:42:14Speaker 00

  After midnight.

• 1:42:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 1:42:16Speaker 00

  We've all shared space, not just today, but many other times. And thanks for just joining us and just having a glimpse into what it's like to have a community of guys that really support you. And, um, and, um.

• 1:42:35Speaker 00

  What if we wore Manosphere?

• 1:42:38Speaker 04

  That'd be cool. There was a point when we were all talking where I was like, are we Manosphere?

• 1:42:41Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? In this setup, it feels a lot more Manosphere.

• 1:42:44Speaker 04

  I like see the video and I'm like, whoa, we look Manosphere?

• 1:42:47Speaker 00

  No, I will say that's, that's the only thing that rubs me in.

• 1:42:50Speaker 01

  What I know. Right, right, right. You know what I'm jealous of in Manosphere podcasting? Celsius is everywhere.

• 1:42:57Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:42:57Speaker 01

  Must be nice.

• 1:42:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's really without them here. There's a full, there's a cooler with them outside.

• 1:43:02Speaker 01

  It's wrong to have them strewn about in our space.

• 1:43:05Speaker 04

  I just feel like there's like a chillness that they get to have. Like I, I honestly get to like, sometimes I try.

• 1:43:10Speaker 03

  Is this untucked? Everything I said today fed to me by a publicist.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:43:15Speaker 00

  I was gonna say, you seem very media trained today.

• 1:43:17Speaker 03

  I am.

• 1:43:20Speaker 03

  And that's all I'll say about that.

• 1:43:22Speaker 00

  I woke up and chose media training.

• 1:43:24Speaker 03

  No, I actually recently did a podcast where every single clip of me resulted in nonstop vitriol. And I have now.

• 1:43:33Speaker 01

  Towards, oh, all towards you.

• 1:43:34Speaker 03

  Towards me.

• 1:43:35Speaker 01

  Fuck, I'm sorry.

• 1:43:36Speaker 03

  And I now am, I have media trained myself. It's kind of like how my dad says he did auto therapy to himself, has never seen a therapist, but he said it worked. That's what I did to myself with media training.

• 1:43:47Speaker 00

  It's like, is it media tra, like, you know what I mean? Like nothing, nothing will media train you like a thousand death threats.

• 1:43:53Speaker 03

  I guess I'll never open my mouth again.

• 1:43:55Speaker 00

  I feel, I feel media trained. I feel the media has trained me.

• 1:43:59Speaker 01

  But I feel like, uh.

• 1:43:59Speaker 04

  I don't want to get media trained.

• 1:44:01Speaker 01

  Both y'all.

• 1:44:02Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no. Like it's like going to the dentist.

• 1:44:05Speaker 03

  Well, you have to go in for your annual training. They explain to you who the new TikTokers are.

• 1:44:10Speaker 00

  Well, you're all clogged up.

• 1:44:12Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm gonna have some, some media cavities for sure. They're gonna be upset with me.

• 1:44:17Speaker 00

  Snackaholic.

• 1:44:20Speaker 01

  You're both married, you both have an hour, you're media trained.

• 1:44:22Speaker 00

  We clearly don't want this to end.

• 1:44:24Speaker 04

  I know, I wish we could talk forever.

• 1:44:26Speaker 01

  Well, Stradial Lab is on Big Money Players.

• 1:44:29Speaker 04

  And so is Los Culturistas.

• 1:44:31Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:44:32Speaker 00

  That's actually not talked about enough.

• 1:44:35Speaker 00

  Like, sister podcast down, us a mess.

• 1:44:39Speaker 04

  A mess, of course.

• 1:44:40Speaker 00

  None of the six of us all gonna get on stage at Bell House.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  Well, honey, we'll be there tonight.

• 1:44:47Speaker 00

  Well, you didn't invite us.

• 1:44:48Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 1:44:49Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 1:44:50Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 1:44:51Speaker 01

  That's okay.

• 1:44:51Speaker 00

  Should we go?

• 1:44:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. Do you guys want comps?

• 1:44:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, we actually would love to go to the show.

• 1:44:57Speaker 01

  What time?

• 1:44:58Speaker 04

  Seven thirty.

• 1:44:59Speaker 03

  Celeste's gonna be on it.

• 1:45:00Speaker 04

  Wait, are you actually gonna come?

• 1:45:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, why not? I would come.

• 1:45:02Speaker 03

  Celeste, Patty Harrison, Joe Firestone.

• 1:45:05Speaker 00

  Let's go. Oh, I wanna go.

• 1:45:07Speaker 04

  Fun.

• 1:45:08Speaker 03

  See you there.

• 1:45:08Speaker 01

  If it's not too late, I know day of comps are a thing.

• 1:45:10Speaker 04

  No, it's not too late.

• 1:45:12Speaker 03

  Don't backtrack, you're coming.

• 1:45:13Speaker 01

  I'm coming.

• 1:45:15Speaker 04

  This is weird.

• 1:45:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:16Speaker 04

  I never make decisions like this. If I were you guys, I wouldn't come.

• 1:45:19Speaker 00

  No, we're coming.

• 1:45:20Speaker 04

  I need a day in advance.

• 1:45:21Speaker 00

  Well, too late.

• 1:45:22Speaker 01

  Well, it's because you're visiting New York.

• 1:45:23Speaker 03

  Stream A Sense of Urgency on Amazon or Apple, that is my special.

• 1:45:28Speaker 04

  Come to my shows in LA on...

• 1:45:29Speaker 01

  March 24th.

• 1:45:30Speaker 04

  March 24th and April 1st.

• 1:45:32Speaker 01

  And because this is coming out before the Union Hall show, March 18th at Union Hall.

• 1:45:36Speaker 00

  And Streamheim, because they got a lot, they got us through a lot of the episode today.

• 1:45:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:43Speaker 04

  And Streamheim and, and, and support Gaga and, and, oh, Radical Optimism, have it?

• 1:45:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, Radical Optimism, yeah.

• 1:45:50Speaker 03

  Washington, you're Bridget Jones.

• 1:45:51Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:45:52Speaker 03

  And, you know, don't backtrack your votes.

• 1:45:56Speaker 01

  Stan Venusaur.

• 1:45:57Speaker 00

  Bye.

• 1:45:58Speaker 01

  Okay, everybody, we'll start with the song.

• 1:46:19Speaker 00

  They're ready, they're getting up to the game.

• 1:46:21Speaker 04

  Well, bye.

• 1:46:23Speaker 01

  Los Culturistas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio Podcasts.

• 1:46:27Speaker 00

  Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosni and produced by Becca Ramos.

• 1:46:33Speaker 01

  Edited and mixed by Doug Bame.

• 1:46:35Speaker 00

  And our music is by Henry Kowalski.

• 1:46:40Speaker 07

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