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1:05 Speaker 03 Look, man. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Why? Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Oh, my goodness. Yes. Las Culturistas.
1:15 Speaker 01 Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. We, so here's the deal. We're, we're speaking to you the day after the Academy Awards. And so it's now a world where we can say Academy Award winner Michael B. Jordan. We can say Academy Award winner Amy Madigan. We can say all these things.
1:31 Speaker 02 All these things.
1:32 Speaker 01 But there's highs, and all I can think about today is the fact that there's an award winner with us, a record of the year winner.
1:38 Speaker 02 The inaugural record of the year winner.
1:41 Speaker 01 That part.
1:42 Speaker 02 It's, which, I'm sorry, I have to call you out because.
1:46 Speaker 01 Laudatory.
1:47 Speaker 02 Laudatory. Call you out laudatory.
1:49 Speaker 01 Call me in, positive.
1:50 Speaker 02 Call it positively. You had to, as if she needed a reminder, you were like, we do this thing called the Culture Awards. If you like, you know, want to be a part of that. And I was like, Matt, you're talking to a Culture Award winner. A record of the year winner.
2:03 Speaker 01 We're starting to tease this year's Culture Awards. Maybe our guest will appear.
2:07 Speaker 02 Perhaps a traitor's return.
2:09 Speaker 01 Perchance.
2:10 Speaker 02 Perchance to dream.
2:11 Speaker 01 Suffice it to say that this has been a moment highly anticipated. We've been so thrilled with the sort of resurgence of our guest on our screens. Because the screens have lacked.
2:24 Speaker 02 But I'm saying.
2:24 Speaker 01 Without our guests.
2:25 Speaker 02 But she, and we'll get into this, but like, she never went away. Meanwhile, this, so this woman was giving birth.
2:32 Speaker 01 Heard of it.
2:33 Speaker 02 Heard of it. Raising a child. And lest we forget, while she was promoting Deep Space, she was getting her fucking MBA.
2:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:43 Speaker 02 Like, she, like, this, this woman doesn't pause. You know what I mean?
2:46 Speaker 01 Accomplished. Revenue streams. Learn from the guest.
2:50 Speaker 02 Learn from the guest.
2:51 Speaker 01 I mean.
2:55 Speaker 01 I mean.
2:55 Speaker 02 If only you knew.
2:57 Speaker 01 If only you at home know. No, and after this episode, you will know. So you may know our guest from, again, an iconic turn on the traitors. Prior to that, Real Housewives of Potomac, a storied legacy on that show. And a fabulous singer. We were streaming Deep Space, You Should Be Too, the new single, If Only. And again, it needs to be said and stated and remembered that Drive Back is the song. When I heard it, I was like, wait. It hit on something deep in why I love music.
3:30 Speaker 02 We were watching the music video from the trailers on the Fire Island movie.
3:35 Speaker 01 Yes, we were. It was a part of our.
3:38 Speaker 02 It was part of the lore and the culture there. It was a set song. Okay.
3:40 Speaker 01 Yes.
3:41 Speaker 02 She's, we're so honored to be here. This has always been a Bassett Hound podcast. Everyone, please welcome Candace Stiller-Bassett.
3:51 Speaker 01 Oh my gosh, you guys. Look at these Versace.
3:55 Speaker 04 You know, Versace, they've been through some things. I think I spilled like some, something on them, but.
4:01 Speaker 02 You know what, though, it gives them.
4:02 Speaker 04 We're still here. Yes. They have a story.
4:04 Speaker 02 They have a story.
4:05 Speaker 01 We're so happy you're here.
4:06 Speaker 04 You got, I am like, I'm plotting, like, I just, you all are so fa- you're famous bitches.
4:14 Speaker 01 What does that even mean to you?
4:16 Speaker 04 I can't, I just can't. I'm like, I'm in awe.
4:18 Speaker 01 First of all, I've never been so excited to go into the Watch What Happens Live Clubhouse than when we were on together.
4:23 Speaker 04 I know.
4:24 Speaker 01 We really had a time.
4:26 Speaker 04 And from there, I got to see you perform my favorite music.
4:30 Speaker 01 At the 93 Club.
4:31 Speaker 04 In DC, yes.
4:32 Speaker 01 The only time I got starstruck and nervous and I messed up my words. No.
4:37 Speaker 04 Did you mess up?
4:38 Speaker 01 First ballad in the show, Have You Heard of Christmas? I sang the second verse as the first verse and I was like, only I'm gonna know, but damn it.
4:45 Speaker 04 We did not know. No, I had such a time. Like, yes, yes. And like, y'all are famous.
4:50 Speaker 02 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
4:52 Speaker 04 Listen, the wicked of it all. Stop.
4:55 Speaker 01 The wicked of it all.
4:56 Speaker 02 Blink and you'll frigging miss me in both of those films.
5:00 Speaker 04 You are there. If we have to pause to look at you in all of your glory, we can do that. Yes.
5:06 Speaker 01 I don't know if we've told this story on the podcast yet, but we went to Japan and we were at, we, we had this amazing experience of a geisha dinner in Kyoto. So it was like these three geishas who were, they live the life.
5:19 Speaker 02 They live the life. They're, they're completely off the grid. They take their phones away for like the entire seven years that they trained to be geishas. Like, they don't have really much interfacing with the quote unquote, like, outside world. They like, they're like Jedis, they're monks. It's like a monastery.
5:31 Speaker 01 Yes.
5:32 Speaker 02 Um, but basically, yeah, she.
5:34 Speaker 01 One of them was like, I know you. And ran and got the little wicked book and had him sign it. And then before we left, she goes, this is my treasure.
5:45 Speaker 01 I'm gonna live forever.
5:47 Speaker 04 Listen, that's famous.
5:49 Speaker 01 You know what, though, like, I feel like you experienced this too, because the thing about Housewives and then Bravo at large is A-listers come up to you and completely gag.
5:59 Speaker 04 It's so strange.
6:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
6:01 Speaker 04 It's like, why are you watching this foolishness? But they are like, it's my escape, it's how I unwind, which I love. I love that Housewives is this thing that like people go to to like forget their troubles.
6:14 Speaker 02 Well, because I, even right now, I must say, being in the same space as you is really powerful. And I'm super, and like, no, she knows this. I, so I have, my thing with, is with Housewives.
6:29 Speaker 04 Yes.
6:30 Speaker 02 I really, I've, I've, I've seen every single famous person in the world come through the halls of 30 Rock.
6:36 Speaker 04 Yes.
6:37 Speaker 02 This is extremely different for me.
6:40 Speaker 04 That is wild.
6:41 Speaker 02 This is like, I'm, I'm, I'm like, I'm blushing, I'm nervous.
6:43 Speaker 04 You are a little blushy, I see it. I call it like, you're, because Chris blushes, and I'm like, you're turning white people red.
6:51 Speaker 01 White people red, this is yellow people red.
6:53 Speaker 04 You're turning other people red, yes. Like, no, you guys, it's, it is such a phenomenon that like, I still don't get. Because I'm like, these bitches are just regular assholes. Like, they are just regular people writing memoirs before they're supposed to write memoirs.
7:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:09 Speaker 04 And flipping tables and cussing, and I'm like, we're, we're, we're not doing anything, but just stirring up dust.
7:15 Speaker 02 But I think like, okay, we were saying before the mics went on, and we, we will go on record to say this, like, since your departure from the show, this, this, this, you know, Potomac, it's like, I have a hard time watching it because I am not finding a foothold sort of morally, narratively, like, because I've always held the same side as you, in terms of the people that we, let's just say we dislike.
7:42 Speaker 04 Oh, who are they?
7:43 Speaker 02 I've, I've, I've gotten, I've gotten a little too hard in the paint for, against certain people. And it's, and it's our people.
7:50 Speaker 01 They give reasons, though.
7:51 Speaker 02 They give so many reasons.
7:52 Speaker 04 Yes, don't, just don't get fined for liking the wrong tweets.
7:56 Speaker 01 Fine.
7:57 Speaker 04 I'm only here so I don't get fined.
7:59 Speaker 02 We're not, no, no, we're not fining you.
8:01 Speaker 01 No, no litigiousness.
8:03 Speaker 04 No, please don't. Yes. No, it's, um, you know, you, you, I, you leave those, those people who should not be named.
8:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:12 Speaker 04 Where they belong.
8:12 Speaker 02 Exactly.
8:13 Speaker 04 On the curb.
8:14 Speaker 02 But then, tell me this, in a post reunion of Traitors World, where Rinna is doing front-facing videos in the car being like, "It's so nice that we've all come full circle, that we're all friends now." Is this mostly true?
8:28 Speaker 04 For me, on my former cast?
8:30 Speaker 02 Of, not of Potomac, but of Traitors.
8:32 Speaker 01 Traitors is, that's a good vibe.
8:34 Speaker 04 Yes. Oh, my God. The best vibe. Like, when I was leaving, I was like, "I love you guys. It's so hot. It's so hot." And even like immediately after, like when we all got home, we were all on the phone, like, we weren't supposed to be talking. We were on the phone like, "So, what happened? And like, when did, and how, and, oh, my God, and who's a traitor?" We were doing, and they were all like apologizing to me, which, you know, saying sorry they didn't like pick up my crumbs.
9:00 Speaker 01 I see.
9:01 Speaker 04 So it just made me feel like, okay, I'm not a blubbering idiot. I'm not like crazy for writing down Rob's name.
9:08 Speaker 02 No, no, no.
9:09 Speaker 04 People were just like, "We should have listened to you," and blah, blah, blah. And I, it just, it made me feel better about the way that things ended.
9:16 Speaker 02 Yeah.
9:16 Speaker 04 No, I'm, I still talk to Tara, I talk to Johnny, I talk to Mark, um, Kristen, I love.
9:22 Speaker 01 You and Tara being besties.
9:24 Speaker 04 That's my castle bestie.
9:25 Speaker 01 We saw her, so we were in Milan, um, doing some Olympic stuff, and we saw them together, just the sweetest.
9:31 Speaker 04 Oh, my God.
9:32 Speaker 01 Tara and her, Tara and her, like, it was just very sweet to see, like, them together, because it's like a real genuine friendship between Tara and Johnny. And then her just being like a mom, running around with her kid, and then like seeing her like dressed to the nines that night, like, doing it all.
9:49 Speaker 04 It was, it's amazing. Like, even in the castle, they, I don't know who they thought they were fooling, like.
9:54 Speaker 01 So you were not fooled?
9:55 Speaker 04 No.
9:56 Speaker 01 No, you know.
9:56 Speaker 04 Yes. I mean, I knew before, but like, I didn't say anything, but it was weird that they were kind of not who they, because they're always holding hands. And I'm like, why aren't they holding hands?
10:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:10 Speaker 04 And I real, and then of course I realized later, okay, they're trying to like play a different game. But like, I, I say all the time, I love their love. Like that is such, it's such a beautiful friendship.
10:19 Speaker 01 Well, it's also that thing of like, when two people don't want you to know something about their relationship, they are moving in a way where it's like, okay, why are you guys ignoring each other? Like, it's like when people don't want you to think they're a couple.
10:32 Speaker 04 Yes.
10:32 Speaker 01 And you just have to at some point be like, are you guys fucking?
10:35 Speaker 04 What's this? Right. What is this?
10:36 Speaker 01 You haven't looked at her.
10:37 Speaker 04 Yes. Yeah. It was weird. Like, we know. Most of us knew. I knew.
10:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly.
10:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
10:43 Speaker 02 I mean, is it confounding? Cause I feel like what is happening now with a lot of traitors discourses, a lot of the cast has to come out and be like, guys, it's a game.
10:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:50 Speaker 04 Everybody needs to chill out.
10:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
10:52 Speaker 04 Yeah. It's, yeah. Um, and you know what's crazy to me is I know the Housewives fandom. I know that we are, you know, we get a little, little rowdy.
11:01 Speaker 01 It's thick.
11:02 Speaker 04 Yes.
11:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:03 Speaker 04 But the gamers, those people, they need a box of crying.
11:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:08 Speaker 04 They just, why are you crying? They were just really, um, emotional. Like just.
11:15 Speaker 01 I don't think they're expecting the dimension that you guys bring to it.
11:20 Speaker 04 Uh huh.
11:20 Speaker 01 I think because they are so cold about the game.
11:23 Speaker 04 Yes.
11:23 Speaker 01 Once they're reminded, like that there is an option for this to have an emotional angle. They're like totally caught off guard. You know who I saw struggling with that? Natalie Anderson.
11:33 Speaker 04 Yeah.
11:34 Speaker 01 Who I stand from Survivor. And then all of a sudden, there she is surrounded by all this emotion. And it was just like, yeah, this is a different way to like play a game like this.
11:43 Speaker 04 There's more than a way to skin a cat. Like you, you can't just like think that you all are like the end all be all of gameplay. Because we are good at this game. We being housewives, we're good at this game and we do it with like a console, a full B.
11:56 Speaker 02 Yes.
11:57 Speaker 04 And a heel.
11:57 Speaker 02 Yes.
11:58 Speaker 04 And our edges laid. Okay. You're sweating. I'm not.
12:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, no.
12:02 Speaker 04 There's a difference.
12:03 Speaker 02 Well, like you said that it took some convincing for, was it NBC or Studio Lambert to be like, you would be great at this, but you're like, I'm running around outside. There's flies, there's bugs. I'm not like, like what was, like what took you over the, what brought you over?
12:16 Speaker 04 Um. My, so I'm still really close to my NBC executives and they were like, we just think this would be great for you and it's just a great opportunity and you'd be great. I'm like, why? Why would I be good at this?
12:26 Speaker 01 Cause they wanted you to be a trader the whole time, I bet. They were like, oh.
12:30 Speaker 04 I've never asked. I wanted to be a trader, cause it's like, okay, I'm gonna play the game, like, sign me up for the game.
12:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, right.
12:35 Speaker 04 The game is called The Traitors, I wanna be a trader. But I was just like, mm, I don't, I don't know why you want me to see me run up a hill with a bale of hay. Or like slosh around in water.
12:46 Speaker 01 See, that is a thing where you say it like that and we do wanna see it.
12:49 Speaker 04 No, but I didn't. Like, you want me to submerge my coochie in this murky water? I'm not doing that. So, I, I, it wasn't registering, but I was like, hey, you know what? This is a challenge, like, I can, I can do something hard.
13:02 Speaker 01 Yes, it's pageant brain, maybe?
13:05 Speaker 04 Yes, it is a little bit of pageant brain. It's like, okay, this is a challenging moment, let me like, train a little bit, AKA like, watch the show and like, take notes and learn like, the, you know, the, the rigors of the game.
13:17 Speaker 01 Yes.
13:18 Speaker 04 And then, you know, go in there and get on stage and do a wee turn.
13:21 Speaker 01 Yes, oh, just a little bit of this, a little bit of that.
13:23 Speaker 04 Give him a little shoulder, give him a little action.
13:26 Speaker 01 It's also type A person, which I'm assuming you are. It's kinda like, they give you a challenge and even if on face value, you're like, no. It will sit there.
13:36 Speaker 04 Yes.
13:36 Speaker 01 And it will be like, mm.
13:38 Speaker 04 Yes.
13:38 Speaker 01 Now I'm living in a world where I'm not doing this thing and
13:42 Speaker 04 Yes, right.
13:43 Speaker 01 The voice says, but what if?
13:44 Speaker 04 Right.
13:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:45 Speaker 04 Get up, bitch!
13:46 Speaker 01 If only.
13:46 Speaker 04 Yes. Only, yes.
13:50 Speaker 01 But so then you're saying that like, when, when the, when, when they're texting you like, why we should have followed the crumbs that you left, like, you're saying, oh, I'm not, thankfully, I'm understood. Was there an internal thought where you were like, oh, did I make a mistake? Did, did, like, I, I, cause I wanna say you played it brilliantly the entire time. Like, Matt and I are watching this being like,
14:13 Speaker 02 She is, she's like up there with the Survivor gamers.
14:17 Speaker 01 I wouldn't have known, I wouldn't have known. I feel like you were playing it as yourself. People were like, oh, the thing about, cause here's the thing, it's like, I knew from watching you for years and knowing you, that like, I was like, anyone who knows Candace knows that traitor or faithful, she would have come in here saying the things.
14:33 Speaker 04 Yes.
14:34 Speaker 01 And so you have to be, you couldn't have done what Eric did, which is sink in the back because everyone's gonna be like, why is Candace sinking in the back?
14:41 Speaker 04 Right, she's a traitor. Yeah, yeah. No, I, I didn't go in with a strategy. I went in like, okay, let me assess the room, see who's here, and then like, figure it out as I go. And it, it worked until it didn't. But no, and to answer your question, I felt good about my choices. And I felt like in the moment I made the right decisions for the situation.
15:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:04 Speaker 04 But I felt like, when I, when I found out that Rob won, I was like, so wait, did, was I not clear?
15:12 Speaker 01 You guys didn't pick it up.
15:14 Speaker 04 I mean, these were like huge crumb. I left whole Oreos, like not even crumbs.
15:19 Speaker 01 Lobes of bread.
15:20 Speaker 04 I left Biscoff, like whole Biscoff cookies.
15:22 Speaker 01 You went into Delta One, you said, can I take all of these?
15:25 Speaker 04 Can I just have a handful? I'm just gonna crumble these up and leave them. Y'all, y'all don't like cookies?
15:30 Speaker 01 I really was like, I was like, the thing about Candace is she's, if she goes, she's not gonna go quietly.
15:35 Speaker 04 No!
15:36 Speaker 01 And you didn't, and yet, but that is the power of, let's just say it, a tall man with, with eyes that look like that, and that floppy little hair. I really think they were diktatized.
15:48 Speaker 04 They were. I mean, it was a really brilliant social experiment.
15:52 Speaker 02 Yes.
15:52 Speaker 04 And I think that it did a great job of holding a mirror up to society. Like, this is, this is life. This is, this is how it is in real life.
16:01 Speaker 02 The mirror is ugly and shattered and fucked up.
16:05 Speaker 04 A little bit.
16:06 Speaker 02 It's a bad mirror.
16:06 Speaker 04 It's not a good mirror.
16:07 Speaker 01 Society tends to get diktatized. It's actually Rulaculture number 20. Society tends to get diktatized. And now that's, now that's in the rules forever. We've seen it before.
16:18 Speaker 04 I'm screaming.
16:20 Speaker 02 We're just saying axioms and truths. But that moment, that moment between you and Rob. That seems so cinematic. I'm not saying it was produced or anything, but I'm saying like that was.
16:32 Speaker 04 It didn't feel like that in the moment. It did not feel.
16:37 Speaker 02 Significant in that way.
16:38 Speaker 04 No, I was literally just like, okay, I know, you know, I'm about to be packing my things.
16:42 Speaker 02 You thought so.
16:43 Speaker 04 I knew. I knew it was happening.
16:45 Speaker 02 Blood was in the water.
16:46 Speaker 04 That night. And I said, okay, so as I'm packing my things, as I bring my bags, I'm clearing this desk and that one. I'm taking this plant with me to quote the ancient African proverb from our uncle, our uncle Denzel. I'm leaving here with something. And the something is my dignity and my pride. Okay, so I'm clearing this desk and you gonna hear from me. It was really just like, I'm gonna make sure you know that you will be shaking in your boots all the way to the end. If I have something to say. And, but it didn't, it didn't register that it was gonna become this like huge moment.
17:18 Speaker 02 Focal point in the season.
17:20 Speaker 04 In the, yeah.
17:20 Speaker 02 So in the turret, your last turret with you and Rob, uh, cause you've, you've been saying, uh, in interviews that like, it was the choice between murdering Colton or recruiting Kristen.
17:32 Speaker 04 Yes.
17:33 Speaker 02 And you were just convinced even in that last tour that you weren't gonna make it to recruitment. Is that, is that, is that what?
17:38 Speaker 04 No, I, so I, it was just like, okay, I can either recruit or.
17:44 Speaker 02 Murder.
17:45 Speaker 04 Get rid of Colton.
17:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
17:46 Speaker 04 Either one would be good for me. I, and it didn't matter. Like I really, but what I said was my regret was that I didn't push harder to recruit Kristen.
17:57 Speaker 04 Cause I, when he said no, I was like, okay, fine. Let's just do Colton. And I do wish that I had like pushed. But my, my worry was we would be at a stalemate and then neither would happen. And we would just leave the turret with no murder and no recruitment.
18:12 Speaker 02 Yep.
18:13 Speaker 04 And then it's like, okay, now we're in limbo and we gotta keep the train moving.
18:17 Speaker 01 So hard.
18:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:18 Speaker 01 Like that, I, I watch it and I'm like, again, you see, like for example, Maura at the very end.
18:25 Speaker 04 Oh.
18:25 Speaker 01 Seeing how gagged she was, how hard she cracked in that moment.
18:29 Speaker 04 It's insane.
18:30 Speaker 01 I was like, that is truly, and then I felt bad because she was really internalizing, like, I'm a dummy, like, I'm a fool.
18:36 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:36 Speaker 01 And I was like, no, I really think it's exactly what you said. It is truly mice in a little maze.
18:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:43 Speaker 01 It's, it says something about the human brain that I think we haven't seen a reality show say in a long time.
18:48 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
18:48 Speaker 01 And that's why it's so interesting for people.
18:51 Speaker 04 And yeah, and I love Maura, but Maura, she, I, I wanted her to wear a thinking cap.
18:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:58 Speaker 04 She had on a lot of beautiful hats.
18:59 Speaker 01 We just need to find a designer one.
19:01 Speaker 04 Yes.
19:01 Speaker 01 I think we need to find one.
19:03 Speaker 04 She needs a Versace.
19:04 Speaker 01 Designer thinking cap for Maura.
19:06 Speaker 04 I, I said it a million times, the faithfuls needed to go to faithful school.
19:09 Speaker 01 Yes.
19:10 Speaker 04 They didn't pass a single class.
19:11 Speaker 01 No.
19:12 Speaker 04 They need to go to summer school.
19:13 Speaker 01 Would you do an All Stars or another like competitive reality show?
19:19 Speaker 04 If Traitors does a, an All Stars and they don't call me, I'm rioting. This is what I know.
19:25 Speaker 01 I feel like we need it.
19:26 Speaker 04 I would only do, I don't, I don't see another show like this that I would do. Like, I'm not doing the challenge. I don't want to do House of Villains.
19:33 Speaker 01 No.
19:33 Speaker 04 I don't want to run anywhere else. I would run in Scotland because I've done it already.
19:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, you know the terrain.
19:39 Speaker 04 I know the terrain.
19:40 Speaker 01 Yes.
19:40 Speaker 04 But like, I don't, don't ask me to sweat no more.
19:43 Speaker 01 No. Yeah, that is tough. Because it's not just sweating. I think the thing that would bother me, and they approached us for the show.
19:50 Speaker 04 They did?
19:51 Speaker 01 Yes, they did.
19:52 Speaker 04 What are we doing?
19:53 Speaker 01 I feel like we can't go on together.
19:55 Speaker 02 We can't go on together.
19:56 Speaker 01 It's gonna be Tara and Johnny.
19:57 Speaker 04 Why not?
19:59 Speaker 01 I know.
20:00 Speaker 04 What do you mean?
20:00 Speaker 02 It's a Tara and Johnny situation because we, we cannot go on together. We, we, it's, it's a matter of doing it or, and or doing it together. I don't think, I think at this point we're like, we'll do it. I don't think we can do it together because they're gonna knock us out.
20:14 Speaker 04 No, not necessarily. Like, you, well, you guys probably can't play the we don't know each other game. So you lean into it.
20:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly.
20:22 Speaker 04 They're, they don't know, like you, there's no way they're gonna think you're both traitors, you're both fa- like, they don't know. Like, the combinations are too, like, up in the air.
20:32 Speaker 02 Right, right, right.
20:33 Speaker 01 Okay, here's what I think though, and tell me if this is possible to happen.
20:36 Speaker 04 Okay.
20:36 Speaker 01 Because I do think it- The worst thing that could ever happen is you go in with like a relationship that you have. And they make one of you a traitor and one of you isn't. And then you're like, fuck, I'm now burdened with this. Because I have this person sitting here who knows me.
20:50 Speaker 04 Right.
20:50 Speaker 01 Really well. Not just like, we've met, I've seen them around.
20:54 Speaker 04 Right.
20:54 Speaker 01 You know, we were on the same series or whatever, really knows you.
20:58 Speaker 04 Yes.
20:59 Speaker 01 Do you think it would be possible for you as the traitor to go to that person? Or is this against the rules? And be like, I'm a traitor? If you just maintain this rule is that I'm a faithful? And I'll recruit you later? Is that against the rules?
21:14 Speaker 04 That is against the rules.
21:14 Speaker 01 Okay, then, then.
21:16 Speaker 04 But, it's not to say that it can't happen.
21:21 Speaker 02 I thought the only rule was traitors can't out other traitor. A traitor can't be like, I'm a traitor and Rob is also a traitor.
21:26 Speaker 04 You can't do that either.
21:28 Speaker 02 Right. I thought that was the only rule.
21:29 Speaker 04 No, you, you can't, like, if you're a traitor and you're a faithful, you can't like, like, do telepathy and be like, I'm a traitor.
21:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, so you'd have to go right away then if I was a traitor.
21:40 Speaker 04 What you could do is, you find a way to recruit him.
21:44 Speaker 01 Right.
21:45 Speaker 04 Later. So you just have to play the long game.
21:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:47 Speaker 04 And you, you all are actors, you could do it. And it would be fucking hilarious.
21:52 Speaker 01 No, but he would know right away if I was a traitor. It would be so bad.
21:56 Speaker 04 Okay, but that's good TV. So you find, you go, you skulk off to the billiard room. The two of you and you give the, you like, do like one eyelash? And then you giggle? And then you go back to the kitchen? Like, nothing happened.
22:08 Speaker 01 And you think maybe there was some eyelash winking and giggling happening in the, in the, in the mansion?
22:16 Speaker 01 She's indicating.
22:17 Speaker 02 She's indicating.
22:18 Speaker 04 I cannot say.
22:19 Speaker 01 The pearls are clutch.
22:21 Speaker 04 What I will say is that, I know what I was told.
22:25 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:25 Speaker 04 And I was told.
22:27 Speaker 02 Yep.
22:28 Speaker 04 That somebody was told.
22:30 Speaker 02 Wait.
22:31 Speaker 04 That's it.
22:31 Speaker 01 I was told that somebody was told.
22:33 Speaker 02 Somebody was told is great.
22:34 Speaker 04 Yes, I was so, um, there were many phone calls when we left the castle.
22:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:39 Speaker 04 Colton was one, he called me.
22:40 Speaker 02 Okay.
22:41 Speaker 04 And he, he literally, he was like, among other things, he was like, yeah, Rob told me you were a traitor.
22:45 Speaker 02 Ah.
22:47 Speaker 04 So, I mean, what do you, what do you want me to think?
22:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, I mean, you can, once you're, once you're explicitly given information, you then can't be mad that the person has said, "I was given this information."
22:56 Speaker 04 Right. Now, was it told, I was, I was under the impression that it was like, said within the confines of the game. Because you can say like, "I feel like Bowen is a traitor because he was like scratching weird."
23:11 Speaker 01 Right, right.
23:12 Speaker 04 Or he sneezed funny. Or you, you give a reason. So I was waiting all season to be like, "Well, where, where's the evidence?"
23:20 Speaker 01 Right, yeah.
23:21 Speaker 04 And there was never a moment.
23:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:23 Speaker 04 So I was like, "Okay, this is weird." And I'm being like dragged and hung from crosses and wearing scarlet As and Ts on my chest because you are accusing... No, I'm literally just like processing the information I was given.
23:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:41 Speaker 04 But crucify me, you know?
23:44 Speaker 01 And you are one of the great verbal processors.
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25:30 Speaker 07 Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.
25:45 Speaker 06 People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic, in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.
25:56 Speaker 07 And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.
26:01 Speaker 03 One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.
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26:28 Speaker 04 Hi, it's Kathleen Griffith, co-host of the Unshakeables podcast. Listen in as Ron and Kelly Moore share their story.
26:37 Speaker 06 I'm Ron Moore.
26:38 Speaker 04 And I'm Kelly Moore. And starting our own business in our 50s was a little scary, but exciting.
26:46 Speaker 06 The biggest advantage was our community. The whole thing about business is relationships.
26:51 Speaker 04 We'll say team a lot, not just our internal team. It's the team of our vendors, the team of our clients.
26:58 Speaker 06 We help the Veterans Resource Center and we give scholarships. I'm doing this for my heart, for my children, for you, for your children's family. I don't want anything back. And I tell a lot of people, don't give back to me, pay it forward.
27:12 Speaker 04 If you work to give, you just see the world differently.
27:16 Speaker 06 I'm going to help as many people as we can.
27:18 Speaker 04 Can't take it with me. To hear more from Ron and Kelly, listen to The Unshakeables wherever you get your podcasts.
27:27 Speaker 04 I do my best.
27:29 Speaker 02 You really, really are. Wait, hold on, quickly, we gotta go back to Box of Crangles. Why aren't we? Why, what, where is that contract?
27:37 Speaker 01 We need to enter price.
27:38 Speaker 04 Yeah, so there, there is movement.
27:41 Speaker 02 Okay.
27:41 Speaker 04 Yes, it's not not happening. There, yes.
27:44 Speaker 02 This is so exciting. And then, did you, so, and I'm sure you've talked about this before, are they pre-folded? Where do those, where are those coming from?
27:51 Speaker 01 Technique.
27:52 Speaker 04 I fold them.
27:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:53 Speaker 04 They're not.
27:53 Speaker 02 Beforehand or as the tears are coming?
27:56 Speaker 04 Um, as they're coming. I'm like, I'm swift, I'm quick with it.
27:59 Speaker 01 You're doing side work.
28:00 Speaker 04 Yes, I'm doing, yes. I'm at work, I'm doing side work. Yes, yeah. Now, there, there are situations, like, right now in my purse, there is one folded.
28:09 Speaker 02 Okay.
28:09 Speaker 04 Like, you'll find them everywhere.
28:10 Speaker 01 What if we get emotional?
28:11 Speaker 04 Well, because I save them, because it is a lot of work. And sometimes I just, you want to have one ready. So I probably have one in, like, every pocket. Like, I was doing laundry, and, you know, when you, like, put tissue in the laundry and it gets everywhere, I was like, oh shit, a triangle was in there.
28:24 Speaker 01 A triangle.
28:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
28:25 Speaker 01 A casualty of the laundry.
28:27 Speaker 02 Is this, is prepping them beforehand like mom brain now? Is this a new thing, ever since the baby?
28:32 Speaker 04 No, mom brain would dictate that I wouldn't be doing shit, because I, I forgot. My brain is very ghetto.
28:38 Speaker 01 Did that happen? Like, would, did, like, once mom brain sets in, like, how did you change?
28:43 Speaker 04 Oh, my God. Well, I'm always sweating.
28:45 Speaker 02 Oh.
28:46 Speaker 04 I'm hot.
28:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:47 Speaker 04 And it's like, is this postpartum? Is this perimenopause? Is this, like, is, is the devil trying to smite me? Like, what's going on? Um, my, my edges fell out, so I was fine. And then all of a sudden, I woke up one morning and just, like, bald, right on my sideburns. They were just gone. I was like, this is, who is writing this book? This is terrible.
29:06 Speaker 02 No.
29:07 Speaker 04 Um.
29:08 Speaker 01 Who is writing this book?
29:09 Speaker 04 It's not good. I think your feet will grow.
29:12 Speaker 02 Oh, really?
29:13 Speaker 04 That's the thing that happens. I think I'm into now, because I will still, I'm going to shove my foot into my YSL. I don't give a damn.
29:20 Speaker 01 You're getting in there.
29:20 Speaker 04 My, my heel will be hanging off the edge. I think my feet grew a little bit because the, my shoes are a little more snug, some of them. Um, what else? You, you pee is not the same. You can't hold it the same way.
29:33 Speaker 01 Oh, sure.
29:34 Speaker 04 You gotta go.
29:35 Speaker 01 You gotta go when you gotta go. And you have a beautiful baby.
29:38 Speaker 04 And I have a beautiful boy. Yes, the best, most perfect boy. He's everything.
29:43 Speaker 01 He's so cute.
29:45 Speaker 04 Daddy.
29:46 Speaker 01 But then you went on this like postpartum, which I didn't realize were this, this like wonderful, necessary thing for new mothers where you're like, yes, go and like.
29:55 Speaker 04 The retreat.
29:56 Speaker 01 Convalesce.
29:57 Speaker 04 Yes. Yeah. Um, um, Sanu is the name of the retreat. It's in Tyson's Corner of Virginia. They are, like, when I, I started hearing about these retreats years prior and they were only like in New York and LA. And I was like, well, how do I, can I like close up my coochie and like run to New York? After I give birth to the baby? Like, how do I do this? And then they, Sanu opened one in Tyson's and we partnered and I was, we were there for like four days. They give you massages. I had like, like engorged breasts. And they have this, um, this Chinese medicine doctor that came and like gave me all these herbs.
30:39 Speaker 04 She literally like massage, she spent an hour on each breast.
30:44 Speaker 01 Wow.
30:44 Speaker 04 Just massaging the milk out because it was stuck and it wasn't coming out. And that's, you can get mastitis, which is an infection and it can, you can die from it. Postpartum is ghetto.
30:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, I feel like no one really understands or, I, because when you're growing up, especially as a boy growing up.
31:01 Speaker 04 Yeah.
31:01 Speaker 01 It's just like, oh, woman gets pregnant, has a baby and can you believe how easy it is? And then you become an adult and you realize what you have to go through. And you documented so much of it on the show too, just in terms of getting pregnant.
31:14 Speaker 04 Yes.
31:14 Speaker 01 And we remember that.
31:15 Speaker 04 Layer. Like when you are dealing with fertility issues or like me, you want to like provide insurance for yourself by freezing eggs or embryos.
31:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:24 Speaker 04 That's another layer that you're adding on top of that because now there's this physical part where you're having to like give yourself shots of hormones. You have reactions to the hormones. You have emotional, physical, spiritual, all these reactions to this medication. And then when, after I got pregnant. I had to do 10 weeks of something called progesterone and oil. Um, just to like tell my body that I'm pregnant so that the baby would stay.
31:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:52 Speaker 04 So for 10 weeks, I had to give myself these shots every day at the same time. I traveled my whole pregnancy. So at least four times, I had to give myself these shots on an airplane. And one time I took a video of me going in the bathroom and it was like turbulent. So we're like, we're like bankhead bouncing while I'm trying to squeeze my ass and stick this needle in. It was like, how, what is going on?
32:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:13 Speaker 04 This is insane.
32:14 Speaker 01 The trials and tribulations.
32:15 Speaker 04 And like the women that do this because they have no other choice.
32:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:20 Speaker 04 Because you want a baby, you want a family this bad. I'm like, we are literal superheroes. We are wizards of industry.
32:28 Speaker 01 100%. I also think that's one of the things about Housewives that I think is the, one of the most important is the way that so many more people understand IVF now. Like I, I wasn't seeing any conversations about IVF, about the, the terrain emotionally of preparing to get pregnant, having a baby, like all of that. I think that because of the, the Housewives franchise, a whole couple of generations understands this and mostly gay men.
33:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
33:00 Speaker 01 That can now relate to their female friends in a way.
33:03 Speaker 04 Yeah.
33:03 Speaker 01 That they could not before because of the Housewives.
33:06 Speaker 04 Yes, it's, and I think there was like a, an element of shame because it's like, it, it's created for women that cannot have children on their own. That was the intent. And there's shame attached to that. It's like, why, I, I'm a woman. My body was made for me to be able to give birth. That's the thought. And especially coming from the South, it's like, we are baby making machines. Like that's the thought. So when you can't do this thing that is supposed to be natural to you, it's like, what's wrong with me?
33:36 Speaker 01 Right. And even if you tell yourself that's not a rational thought, you still have it.
33:41 Speaker 04 Like society says, like, you're a woman, you've got to be able, what are, what are you good for? If you can't have a baby, that's what the world tells you. And women who don't want to have kids, it's like, why don't you want to have kids? And it's like. Because fuck you, it's my uterus. I want it to stay empty. Like, that's also a choice.
33:56 Speaker 01 Yes.
33:57 Speaker 04 And there's just, there's so many stigmas, attack. We live in a patriarchal society and everybody gives a fuck about what the men say, not the women. And so it's just, there were so many narratives that, um, me talking about it and everybody else who's had the chance to discuss it, it just brings it all to the kitchen table. And I love that my story is like perpetuating all these different narratives that can be discussed and make it, um, make it sexy.
34:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:23 Speaker 04 I always say you have to make things sexy for them to then become like a part of the conversation.
34:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:28 Speaker 04 And we're now talking about it.
34:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:30 Speaker 04 So.
34:30 Speaker 01 You made it sexy.
34:31 Speaker 04 It's sexy. Needles are sexy, guys.
34:34 Speaker 01 Also, I think it's like just hearing someone else say out loud these things.
34:37 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
34:38 Speaker 01 Now people are like, oh, now I at least know how to even say that out loud.
34:42 Speaker 04 Yes.
34:42 Speaker 01 You know, I, I, I could watch someone go through something and be like, well, if I couldn't think of a way to verbalize that, I now have an option.
34:52 Speaker 04 Yep.
34:52 Speaker 01 Because the, like, people don't, so many people are not externalizers like the three of us here. You know what I mean?
34:59 Speaker 04 Yes.
34:59 Speaker 01 And that was.
35:00 Speaker 04 We're gifted.
35:00 Speaker 01 Yeah. That was another question I had for you. Um, prior to Housewives, because obviously you come on Housewives, it had been an established thing at that point. You know that the whole gig of the show is conflict and resolution. Were you always someone that was comfortable with conflict?
35:15 Speaker 04 No. Oh, my God.
35:17 Speaker 01 Interesting.
35:17 Speaker 04 I, I always said this. I came, I was a pageant girl.
35:21 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
35:22 Speaker 04 I came from a space where everybody loved me.
35:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:26 Speaker 04 And I loved everyone.
35:27 Speaker 01 Uh-huh.
35:28 Speaker 04 And like, you, I, you don't argue, I don't argue with people. I'm not like cussing people out. So like, I'll, people will come up to me and be like, can you read me?
35:38 Speaker 01 No, no, no.
35:39 Speaker 04 No, I don't want to do that. I don't know you.
35:42 Speaker 01 And if I did, it would be good.
35:43 Speaker 04 Right. I'm not, that is not at all my nature.
35:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:49 Speaker 04 And it's so funny that that is like who I've become known as, like during my time on the show is like this like feisty, like reading person.
35:57 Speaker 01 Rat tat tat, I believe is the expression.
36:00 Speaker 04 Yeah, rat tat tat tat, Candace. Yeah. And, and yes, that is a part of who I am. Like, I, you know, I'm, I can be feisty, I can have spice, but that's literally just one part of who I am. And this idea that like I am the resident like.
36:16 Speaker 01 Reader in Chief.
36:17 Speaker 04 Yes.
36:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:18 Speaker 04 Was so weird to me. And it just, but it worked because I became, I understood my role on the show.
36:27 Speaker 01 Totally.
36:27 Speaker 04 And yes, I was the spoiled princess who reacted. And I'm good at reacting.
36:34 Speaker 01 Yes.
36:34 Speaker 04 And I found that, okay, well, you know, this is not my everyday life, but like for the, for the purposes of this space, I, I can enjoy like reading a bitch down. Who, who tries me, or as I would say, like, if you come to my porch, my porch light is on.
36:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:49 Speaker 04 Come in. Let's have a tussle.
36:52 Speaker 01 Let's sit down.
36:53 Speaker 04 Yes, yes. I will just stand, whatever you need. Yes.
36:56 Speaker 02 The light is on for you to come in.
36:58 Speaker 04 Yes.
37:00 Speaker 04 On play.
37:01 Speaker 01 I'm also identifying with this thing of like, it might not be natural to who you are, but you come in and they tell you, this is really good. You're doing really well doing this.
37:11 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:11 Speaker 01 You're kind of like, all right, well, I'm getting high marks, so.
37:14 Speaker 04 I'm gonna keep going. Yeah.
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38:48 Speaker 02 But this is, I think this is like a thread, if you'll let me, like, about you where like, people will put you in a box and then you are always going to wonderfully break out of it, right? Pageant?
39:00 Speaker 04 Yes.
39:01 Speaker 02 Housewife?
39:02 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
39:02 Speaker 02 And like, like, you've, you've, you've really done a remarkable job of like, going to the next thing.
39:09 Speaker 04 Thank you. I'm trying.
39:10 Speaker 02 But you are, I'm like, how does it feel? Because I think Drive Back and Deep Space started this conversation among people where we were like, where everyone was like, oh, like, these Housewives songs can be great.
39:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
39:21 Speaker 02 Like, that wasn't a thing before.
39:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
39:25 Speaker 02 Like, how does it feel to have like, the first, like, I think you like, broke ground there by like, having like, genuinely, and loved all the other Housewives songs?
39:33 Speaker 04 Yes, we love all the songs.
39:35 Speaker 02 And you don't, you don't have to comment on that comparison, but it's like, these are, like, you can have this very like, intentional,
39:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
39:42 Speaker 02 visually, sort of like curated artistry about yourself.
39:48 Speaker 04 Yeah, that was, that was a part of my evil plan, like, coming on to Housewives. I wanted to make friends. I wanted to like, I love, I'm a pageant girl. I love a sisterhood. I love fellowshipping with women. Like, that's a part of who I am. But I was also like, okay, like, I see what this platform can do if you use it the right way. I see how this could be like, you know, a springboard, how it could almost be like a cheat code. To like, break into these entertainment spaces. That's what I wanted out of it, more than anything else, is like, okay. And even the song was kind of an accident, like, my first song. I was getting married on the show and I always knew I wanted to perform a song for Chris at our reception.
40:33 Speaker 04 I always knew that. And I was like, okay, let me like, what would I do? And I wanted to do Toni Braxton's, what is the, I forget what the name of it is. Let me, Let Me Be, I'm- I wanna be your baby.
40:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
40:49 Speaker 04 That's all. It's from her Libra album. Oh.
40:52 Speaker 01 I can't wait to ask you about your culture because I feel like I know some names you're gonna say and I'm really excited about it.
40:58 Speaker 04 Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Um, so I love Toni and we were, Chris and I were at the gym and that song came on and I was like, I looked at him like, this is what I'm gonna say.
41:05 Speaker 01 Yes.
41:07 Speaker 04 So then I go back to the producers and I'm like, okay, I want to do this song. And they were like, oh, no bitch. We not give it, we're not paying forty million dollars.
41:14 Speaker 01 For the publishing rights, whatever. Tony's song.
41:15 Speaker 04 Right. And I was like, oh shit. And then they were like, you need to do something original. I said, original? I don't have anything yet. So I had, it forced me to sit down and write,
41:24 Speaker 01 Oh.
41:25 Speaker 04 I See You.
41:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:27 Speaker 04 Which was my first, um, like R and B ballad.
41:30 Speaker 01 Yes.
41:30 Speaker 04 That then turned into, um, rest in peace, Chucky Thompson, the Go Go song, that it was like my love letter to DC, which is where I became a woman.
41:39 Speaker 01 Yes.
41:39 Speaker 04 Um, and then it was like kind of off from there.
41:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:42 Speaker 04 But that's how it started.
41:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:44 Speaker 02 That was, I'm getting a flashback. That was my first episode of Potomac, was your wedding. And it was I See You.
41:50 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
41:50 Speaker 04 Oh, my gosh.
41:52 Speaker 02 And this is, this is, the last thing I'll say about Potomac is that, um, uh, I used to say, this is my favorite franchise because I would hang out with all of these women because they're funny and they're,
42:01 Speaker 04 Yeah.
42:01 Speaker 02 what, they're so dimensional.
42:03 Speaker 04 Yeah.
42:04 Speaker 02 And now it's like, I can't say that about these women, except, except for,
42:08 Speaker 01 Well, a couple, I mean, we're a Stacy Rush fan.
42:10 Speaker 02 No.
42:11 Speaker 04 Stacy for president.
42:12 Speaker 02 Stacy for president.
42:12 Speaker 01 See, I was so ahead of the curve on the QVC stuff. I was on this podcast and you guys have to check out her QVC videos.
42:18 Speaker 04 She's so crazy.
42:19 Speaker 01 I love her.
42:21 Speaker 04 She's my kind of crazy.
42:22 Speaker 01 No.
42:22 Speaker 04 She's, she's quirky and funny and inter, yeah.
42:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
42:26 Speaker 04 Yeah, there's a lot of layers there.
42:28 Speaker 01 And also at the end of the, her first season, when it turned out that, you know, maybe TJ wasn't actually her boyfriend after all.
42:34 Speaker 04 Come on.
42:34 Speaker 01 I was thinking, see, there's gonna be a school of thought that says, get her off the show. She's a liar.
42:39 Speaker 02 No, no, no. Not at all.
42:40 Speaker 01 Also, this is, we have to dig in here.
42:44 Speaker 04 And, yes. And they made the right choice.
42:46 Speaker 01 Oh, one hundred percent.
42:47 Speaker 04 And then like also, the, there was a lot of like, cause I saw, there was a clip from the reunion where she's, They're talking about her QVC stuff and somebody's like, whoa, you were acting on there. And there was just always like a pylon, I feel like with her.
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44:41 Speaker 07 Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At The Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.
44:56 Speaker 06 People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic. In a big way that defined a
45:05 Speaker 07 A lot of my childhood. And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.
45:12 Speaker 03 One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.
45:18 Speaker 07 So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At The Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At The Table and start listening on the free iHeart radio app today.
45:39 Speaker 07 Hi, it's Kathleen Griffith, co-host of the Unshakeables podcast. Listen in as Ron and Kelly Moore share their story.
45:48 Speaker 01 I'm Ron Moore.
45:49 Speaker 03 And I'm Kelly Moore. And starting our own business in our 50s was a little scary, but exciting.
45:57 Speaker 01 The biggest advantage was our community. The whole thing about business is relationships.
46:02 Speaker 03 We'll say team a lot, not just our internal team. It's the team of our vendors, the team of our clients.
46:09 Speaker 01 We help the Veterans Resource Center and we give scholarships. I'm doing this for my heart, for my children, for you, for your children's family. I don't want anything back. And I tell a lot of people, don't give back to me, pay it forward.
46:23 Speaker 03 If you work to give, you just see the world differently.
46:27 Speaker 01 I'm gonna help as many people as we can. I can't take it with me.
46:31 Speaker 07 To hear more from Ron and Kelly, listen to the Unshakeables wherever you get your podcasts.
46:38 Speaker 04 And so, like, and they're, they're upset with her, them being the rest of the cast, but you all made her famous because you, you like willfully hated on her.
46:46 Speaker 02 Right.
46:47 Speaker 04 If you had just ignored her, would she, she probably would have still because she's, she's, she's like, she's kind of that girl. But like, you helped to like build these bricks.
46:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
46:57 Speaker 04 And you stoked these fires. Yeah.
46:59 Speaker 02 I was telling, I was telling Matt, um, but like the reunion, like Annie's bringing up the QVC videos and then he throws it over to Kiara and he's just like, like Kiara, like, like, don't you enjoy the QVC videos? And she goes, um, I think she was just like trying to come up with an answer and she was like, um, that would be a no, but, um, I do enjoy them.
47:20 Speaker 04 What? So are they, did they have beef?
47:23 Speaker 02 Kiana goes after Stacy.
47:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, what a big leg.
47:26 Speaker 04 Oh, right, with the, um, my man, my things.
47:29 Speaker 02 My things, yeah, that was a great moment.
47:32 Speaker 04 My things, yeah, I've seen that, the meme.
47:34 Speaker 02 But even in that clip, it's like, Andy was asking her, do you enjoy those videos? And then Kiana goes, no, but I enjoy them. So it's like, she even has to like, to be like, oh no, this is a thing that people love.
47:43 Speaker 04 It's, because I knew her from our Fox local station in DC. She used to do like the traffic and weather.
47:49 Speaker 02 Oh, wow.
47:50 Speaker 04 Yes. At Fox, shout out to WTTG, I was an intern there, so that's my station. She's, she's always been that.
47:59 Speaker 02 Yes.
47:59 Speaker 04 And you, you can't, you just can't deny her.
48:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, no, so some people are just gonna be who they are.
48:06 Speaker 04 Yes.
48:07 Speaker 01 And some, and that is meant for stardom.
48:08 Speaker 04 Yes.
48:09 Speaker 02 Yeah. Speaking of who you are and, and stardom, I think it's time to ask Candace a question.
48:14 Speaker 01 Yes, so Candace Dillard-Bassett, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? This is what pointed you in the Candace direction.
48:23 Speaker 04 So the thing that came to mind, and I don't know if I'm like, if this, this is good or bad.
48:29 Speaker 01 Now we have to say.
48:30 Speaker 02 No wrong answers.
48:33 Speaker 04 Like, is Tiffany New York Pollard.
48:36 Speaker 02 God bless.
48:37 Speaker 04 Like.
48:38 Speaker 01 Thank you so much.
48:39 Speaker 02 Thank you so much.
48:41 Speaker 01 They're laughing because they know this is one of our North Stars.
48:45 Speaker 04 I, I remember just like watching her, The Flavor of Love of it all.
48:51 Speaker 02 Yep.
48:51 Speaker 04 And being like, wow, like, that's me.
48:56 Speaker 01 Yes. Unapologetic.
48:58 Speaker 04 Yes, just, she was just herself.
49:02 Speaker 01 Yep.
49:02 Speaker 04 Unapologetically, no holds, just like, I'm gonna show up fully as myself.
49:08 Speaker 01 Yep.
49:08 Speaker 04 I don't care what you think, I don't care what you say. And it was, like, I'd never seen that. Like, a dark-skinned black woman, like, living fully in her, in who she was.
49:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:21 Speaker 04 Even if it was like, some of it was cringey, or like, weird, or, there were a lot of opinions, but like, you don't make history if you're not polarizing.
49:30 Speaker 01 No, no, no.
49:30 Speaker 04 And she didn't, she didn't apologize.
49:33 Speaker 01 Hold names.
49:33 Speaker 04 Literally.
49:34 Speaker 01 To this day.
49:35 Speaker 04 Yes.
49:36 Speaker 02 I mean, you're and you're she's a fellow wordsmith like you.
49:38 Speaker 04 Yes. Oh, you know what? And I, you know, okay.
49:41 Speaker 01 Wordsmith title of.
49:42 Speaker 04 I love my, I love Omarosa. That line and I don't, I wasn't even that, was that House of Villains?
49:49 Speaker 02 That was House of Villains.
49:50 Speaker 04 Yes. So I used to like, I used to watch it like late at night and I was like rolled over this way, half asleep. When I said.
49:58 Speaker 04 She said, what? I had to rewind it because what do you mean? I can't even repeat the words because I'll go to hell, but like, how do you come up with these things?
50:07 Speaker 01 And the thing is, that's not, that's like, that obviously is in the pantheon now, but it's not even in the top 10.
50:13 Speaker 04 Right.
50:13 Speaker 01 Things that she has said. I mean, even just recently with the Ziwei interview.
50:18 Speaker 04 Oh, my God.
50:19 Speaker 01 One of Barbara Walters could never.
50:21 Speaker 02 Never.
50:22 Speaker 01 Ziwei, by the way.
50:23 Speaker 04 The I would, I was like reading her lips to try and see what the bleep. You got Ziwei.
50:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:29 Speaker 04 Of all people.
50:31 Speaker 02 To bleep you.
50:31 Speaker 04 To bleep you. Ziwei like, she's like.
50:34 Speaker 01 She was screaming.
50:35 Speaker 04 Like pulling things. She's trying to get you to go there.
50:37 Speaker 02 Yep.
50:38 Speaker 04 She was like, almost like uncomfortable. I was, I was like, let me just see if I can like see through the, the bleeping. Can I like, and I couldn't get it.
50:45 Speaker 02 You couldn't?
50:46 Speaker 04 But we need to call the, um, what's the girl? She's, she's, um. She's deaf.
50:53 Speaker 02 She's, she's deaf.
50:54 Speaker 01 Yes, yes, yes, from TikTok. Yes.
50:56 Speaker 04 We need her.
50:57 Speaker 01 We need her.
50:57 Speaker 04 She can read the lips.
50:58 Speaker 01 She's really good.
50:59 Speaker 04 Kelly Rowland said down to the, um, what was that? They were in France.
51:04 Speaker 02 Oh, oh, oh.
51:05 Speaker 04 When Kelly was like.
51:09 Speaker 01 Was it the Cannes Film Festival?
51:10 Speaker 04 Yes, Cannes Film Festival.
51:11 Speaker 01 Because one of the assistants was like pushing her along too hard.
51:14 Speaker 04 And she was like, don't put your hands on me. She got it perfect. Like, I love her.
51:20 Speaker 01 Kelly Rowland, another name invoked legendary. Thank you.
51:25 Speaker 04 She, one time I was singing the national anthem at a Clippers game and she was there and I peed on myself. I was like, oh my God.
51:32 Speaker 01 Oh, my God. Did you get to interact with her?
51:35 Speaker 04 No, because she was like over there and I was over there. I, and I, I can't talk to her.
51:39 Speaker 02 But you know, there's no, it's like, it's like me and you. It's like, I can't.
51:41 Speaker 04 No, but please.
51:43 Speaker 02 You can't do it.
51:44 Speaker 04 Please.
51:44 Speaker 02 Wait, and this is you and Tiffany, both iconic moments with knives, waving a knife around.
51:49 Speaker 04 What knife? What knife?
51:50 Speaker 02 Flavor of Love, season one, to pumpkin.
51:52 Speaker 04 Oh, my God.
51:53 Speaker 02 Do you know what I'm talking about?
51:57 Speaker 02 Hello, Bowen here from the future, relative to when this episode was recorded. Here with a shameful correction. It was not Pumpkin who Tiffany Pollard waved her knife at. It was Hottie in the kitchen giving birth to the phrase, "New York is in the motherfucking house." There is also another famous knife moment when New York was upset that Flav was flirting with Goldie on their joint date and she was brandishing a big, big, sharp knife. Hope that clears things up, as you were.
52:28 Speaker 02 But she had a steak knife and you had a butter knife, so it's just different.
52:30 Speaker 04 Wow.
52:30 Speaker 02 She is my mother. She's your mother.
52:34 Speaker 04 Wow. I will say.
52:36 Speaker 01 She's like, no.
52:39 Speaker 02 This is a significant moment in media, I'm gonna say, like, in just media portrayal representation, something where it's like, it was, I got to school the next day after, after the spit moment.
52:52 Speaker 04 Oh, my god.
52:52 Speaker 01 Culture had changed.
52:53 Speaker 02 Because I wasn't watching season one, I didn't have cable, but I was like, we got to school the next day and everyone was like, "Did you watch Flavor of Love the last night?" I was like, "No, like, what?" It's like, it's a show on VH1.
53:04 Speaker 02 Pumpkin's been on New York. And then I, like, I got the entire mythology in one sitting and I was like, something really important has happened.
53:13 Speaker 04 Turn it on.
53:14 Speaker 02 Turn it on. And so I would go with my dad to his business trips to Wyoming to just stay in the hotel room so I could watch.
53:21 Speaker 04 You could binge.
53:22 Speaker 02 So I could binge Flavor of Love, because VH1 would do these marathons. And it was just, it was, my jaw was on the floor. I was like, this is a star. We've never seen anyone like her.
53:32 Speaker 04 No, she is, she is a wizard.
53:34 Speaker 02 She's, yeah.
53:35 Speaker 04 She's a fairy.
53:36 Speaker 01 Also, you know, we'd both, a friend of ours just gave us as a gift, a mug, and on it, it's the whole speech of, "Pretty much, I would let Jenna know." Da, da, da.
53:49 Speaker 04 That she is a fat, oh, my god.
53:52 Speaker 02 You can't say it.
53:53 Speaker 01 I, I literally, now, we both own mugs.
53:55 Speaker 04 Did you get yours?
53:56 Speaker 02 I got mine.
53:56 Speaker 01 Okay, yeah.
53:57 Speaker 04 Oh, I need one.
53:57 Speaker 01 So now, there's no excuse to not be off book, everyone out there.
54:01 Speaker 02 Truly.
54:01 Speaker 04 Yes.
54:01 Speaker 01 You can put it on a mug.
54:03 Speaker 04 Yes.
54:04 Speaker 02 But it's like, she's, she's a wordsmith like you. She, um...
54:09 Speaker 04 She has a very, uh...
54:12 Speaker 04 Interesting mother.
54:13 Speaker 01 Yes, I was thinking that.
54:15 Speaker 04 Yeah.
54:15 Speaker 02 Sister Patterson.
54:16 Speaker 01 Sister Patterson.
54:17 Speaker 04 She, I saw a lot of my mom and that was the other thing was like, wow. And we, her, her mom is like mine, like a strong woman. She's great.
54:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:26 Speaker 04 She is a grandmother, honey.
54:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's cool.
54:29 Speaker 04 She calls me and she's like, I'd be like, hey, and she's like, where's Jet?
54:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:33 Speaker 02 Aww.
54:33 Speaker 04 I mean, I'm okay. You know, I ate today, thanks. My edges are going back, thanks. But here's, here's Jet, okay? And when she, she comes to visit at least once a month.
54:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:42 Speaker 02 Great.
54:43 Speaker 04 And I don't see Jet. They sleep in the same bed, she's feeding him, he's like, Gabba, he can't say grandma, so he says Gabba. Gabba, Gabba, Gabba, Gabba. And now that she's gone, every morning I would get him up and he would like go to the top of the stairs and look down and she'd be sitting in the living room like drinking her coffee and watching Sherry. Uh.
55:02 Speaker 01 Uh.
55:03 Speaker 04 And he'd be like Gabba. So now every morning he goes and looks down and Gabba, Gabba, and like, she's not there, she is at her house.
55:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
55:11 Speaker 04 We'll see her later. But they are just like, they, they don't tell you like that part of being a parent is like, the, it's such a special weird feeling to like see your child with the person that birthed you.
55:24 Speaker 01 Wow.
55:24 Speaker 04 It's like, oh my God, this is special.
55:28 Speaker 01 What happens there when you see that?
55:30 Speaker 04 It's like, I, it's, I can't describe it yet. It's just, it just feels like, it's almost like you're watching yourself.
55:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
55:38 Speaker 04 With your mother. It's like you get a, a glance into what they might have been like with you, but nicer.
55:46 Speaker 01 It's like in a moment where you see like, oh, it's almost like an appreciation of like now that I can visualize literally you caring for this person, like I have an extra gratitude because you cared for me.
55:56 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
55:58 Speaker 01 So special.
55:58 Speaker 04 It's like, if for no other reason, do it for that. Like do it to just to give, give grandparents that moment.
56:04 Speaker 01 See, I don't think either of us are gonna have children.
56:07 Speaker 02 But you, but the hearing you describe it is like profound.
56:10 Speaker 01 It is beautiful.
56:11 Speaker 04 Yeah, just have one.
56:12 Speaker 02 Of course.
56:13 Speaker 04 You can share them.
56:14 Speaker 02 We'll share, we'll babysit.
56:16 Speaker 01 At this point.
56:16 Speaker 02 Are there songs about motherhood?
56:19 Speaker 04 There is a song, there is a song on my. My impending album.
56:23 Speaker 01 Impending?
56:24 Speaker 04 Yeah.
56:24 Speaker 01 What, can we have any details about this?
56:26 Speaker 04 Well, there is a new remix. So If Only is out now.
56:30 Speaker 01 Yes.
56:31 Speaker 04 Stream, download, all those things. There is a remix that, so I teased it today on my socials.
56:37 Speaker 01 Great.
56:38 Speaker 04 With a very special someone that we all know and love.
56:44 Speaker 04 That will be coming out, I think, in like two weeks.
56:48 Speaker 01 Oh, love.
56:48 Speaker 04 I should know the date, but I don't.
56:51 Speaker 01 So it's a surprise?
56:52 Speaker 04 Yes.
56:52 Speaker 01 The remix is?
56:53 Speaker 04 The remix is a surprise.
56:54 Speaker 01 Got it.
56:54 Speaker 04 The special guest is a surprise. The remix is not. The remix is out, the teaser is out today.
56:59 Speaker 01 Got it.
56:59 Speaker 04 But the special guest is very special.
57:03 Speaker 01 Oh, I want to find out off air.
57:07 Speaker 01 But speaking of music, because I love that you said Tiffany New York Pollard, but I, as a musician. One of the things I love about Deep Space is I feel like I can draw a line to it to really, really important music from when I was younger. And then looking you up a little bit, I know that you like are a late 90s R and B girlie.
57:27 Speaker 04 Oh, yes.
57:28 Speaker 01 So I just have to say.
57:29 Speaker 04 Those are my teachers.
57:30 Speaker 01 That, you know that I was thinking about Never Say Never.
57:34 Speaker 04 Oh, my God, of course.
57:35 Speaker 01 Like, I'm telling you.
57:36 Speaker 04 Honey.
57:37 Speaker 01 And I hear just like, obviously lots of Tony, but like, the, the tone of your voice like speaks to, yes, Tony, but obviously Brandy.
57:46 Speaker 04 Yep.
57:46 Speaker 01 Like, I can just hear it in the way that you sing. I can hear it in the way that you approach words, like, I wanted to know about like your musical
57:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
57:55 Speaker 01 Inspirations and wondering if I'm onto something there.
57:59 Speaker 04 You know what is so, you know, like when you do something and it's intentional and you don't know people are gonna get it? Thank you.
58:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
58:06 Speaker 04 For getting it. And I, it just, it validates, it's like the little girl in me that was like in her room. Dancing till she was sweating with her hairbrush to I wanna dance with somebody.
58:18 Speaker 01 Oh, yes.
58:19 Speaker 04 And knowing like somehow, some way, someday, like she would be here and like be talking about her music. I used to, so do you guys remember like the big CD, the like six-disc CD changer?
58:33 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
58:33 Speaker 04 With the two big speakers?
58:34 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
58:35 Speaker 04 And it had the two cassette tapes, because we had cassette tapes then.
58:37 Speaker 01 Hundred percent.
58:38 Speaker 04 So I had one of those.
58:39 Speaker 01 Yep.
58:39 Speaker 04 And I had, it was always a Whitney Houston CD, Butterfly or Rainbow or both.
58:45 Speaker 01 Wow.
58:46 Speaker 04 Never Say Never.
58:47 Speaker 01 You just punched me in the heart! Butterfly's my favorite album.
58:49 Speaker 04 Monica, what's her album with the blue, the baby blue?
58:52 Speaker 01 I'm, I'm, I'm, Angel of Mine, Angel of Mine.
58:54 Speaker 04 Angel of Mine, yes.
58:56 Speaker 02 I'm back with another correction. It is not Angel of Mine, that is the name of another single off of that album, but it is called The Boy Is Mine, of course. And I knew that that was wrong when I said it, as you were.
59:10 Speaker 04 That one.
59:11 Speaker 01 Right? Yeah. Yeah, that's the, that's the album title?
59:13 Speaker 04 Yes, I think it's, yeah, yeah. Um, misunderstood pink.
59:16 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
59:17 Speaker 04 When pink was still kinda black.
59:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, the Candy Burris era.
59:21 Speaker 04 Black pink.
59:21 Speaker 01 Black pink!
59:22 Speaker 04 We love black, we love pink pink today.
59:25 Speaker 01 We love pink pink, we love black pink.
59:27 Speaker 04 We love black pink too.
59:28 Speaker 01 And we love black space pink.
59:30 Speaker 04 Yes, yes, we love, yes, all the black pinks, yes, all are invited.
59:36 Speaker 04 That was in there, um, oh, um, Dirty.
59:41 Speaker 01 Oh, please. Yes. The stripped album was the album. And no, she, no, she, she, I don't, not to say she never got back there, because like she's got so much incredible work since then.
59:52 Speaker 04 Yeah.
59:53 Speaker 01 But the reason I say that is because we were in the midst of a moment with stripped and we didn't even realize it.
59:58 Speaker 04 No, right, it was a phenomenon that we didn't know. And I would like, I studied back when, um, music videos were still like
1:00:06 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:00:06 Speaker 04 a thing.
1:00:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:00:07 Speaker 04 And making the video and you, you'd spend like three, four days, like and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to like give the world this art that we don't have. Nobody is spending that kinda money anymore. Nobody is like investing in that part of the artistic process anymore.
1:00:24 Speaker 01 It's such a shame.
1:00:25 Speaker 04 Yes, I try, I did do it, I did it. My favorite visual of mine is Is It Enough?
1:00:29 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
1:00:30 Speaker 04 And I, I spent a lot of money on that.
1:00:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're expensive. They, people don't realize, these are like, for a music video, it's like fifty, sixty thousand dollars if you're rocking and rolling.
1:00:39 Speaker 04 Oh, yes, I think I spent like forty, thirty-five, forty. And it was over two days.
1:00:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:00:44 Speaker 04 But I'm not mad, I don't regret it.
1:00:46 Speaker 01 No, because you'll always have it because I also feel like especially you as someone who's like wanted to do this for so long and like has inspirations and a and a vision of what this looks like. You can't just do your album without music videos.
1:01:00 Speaker 04 Like and my team was like, girl, we don't need that. I said, we're doing it.
1:01:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, we're doing it.
1:01:05 Speaker 04 Want this.
1:01:05 Speaker 01 It's for you.
1:01:06 Speaker 04 Yes, yes, it is for me. I don't care if anybody else watches it, but even on my new project, I know right now what song will have a visual.
1:01:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:17 Speaker 04 I don't care what you and if there will be an eight count.
1:01:19 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:01:19 Speaker 04 Okay, I'm gonna oil my knees up real good.
1:01:21 Speaker 01 Let's go.
1:01:22 Speaker 04 Yes, it's going to happen. And if nobody watches it, I will have lived my life.
1:01:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:27 Speaker 04 And done the things I needed to do.
1:01:28 Speaker 02 It's investing in yourself. What is this about you being a rock star in your past life? Because you're bringing a rock sound to this album, I hear. Talk about, was there a rock album in the rotation of the six CD player? Or like what like what are you drawing from personally?
1:01:44 Speaker 04 Um, so it is still a goal of mine to do like a rock R and B version of Under the Bridge.
1:01:52 Speaker 01 Ooh.
1:01:53 Speaker 04 I love the Chili Peppers.
1:01:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, come on.
1:01:55 Speaker 04 I love, I love them, California, I love, yes.
1:01:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, he was hot too.
1:02:00 Speaker 04 Yeah, he was cute. He's kind of weird now.
1:02:03 Speaker 01 Now it's tough.
1:02:04 Speaker 04 He was cute then.
1:02:05 Speaker 01 I mean, I love, I love when our straight guys who do our show like, like sort of like interact with one random straight thing we say. And Anthony Kiedis got them to laugh today. It was David Fincher a couple of weeks ago.
1:02:19 Speaker 02 And now it's 2026 Anthony Kiedis.
1:02:20 Speaker 01 So we're back.
1:02:21 Speaker 04 Yes, yes, welcome.
1:02:22 Speaker 02 So you want to do Under the Bridge?
1:02:24 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:02:25 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:02:26 Speaker 04 I, I love that song. I love that song.
1:02:31 Speaker 04 I love like Led Zeppelin. I love, um, what is his name?
1:02:37 Speaker 04 What is, um, um, with the teeth?
1:02:39 Speaker 02 Mr.
1:02:40 Speaker 01 The teeth.
1:02:40 Speaker 02 With the teeth.
1:02:41 Speaker 04 With the teeth.
1:02:42 Speaker 01 I'm thinking of teeth.
1:02:43 Speaker 04 Freddie, Freddie Mercury.
1:02:44 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:02:45 Speaker 04 Yes, yes. Yes, you know.
1:02:48 Speaker 01 You know, him with the teeth.
1:02:49 Speaker 04 May he rest, yes.
1:02:50 Speaker 01 May he rest.
1:02:50 Speaker 02 That's a great flattering way to refer to him.
1:02:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:53 Speaker 04 Well, cause that, that was just like.
1:02:55 Speaker 02 Signature, signature.
1:02:56 Speaker 04 That was first.
1:02:57 Speaker 01 It's the dark hair, it's the white tank, it's the jeans, it's the belted situation.
1:03:01 Speaker 04 Yep, even Prince. Prince is probably like.
1:03:04 Speaker 01 Rock star.
1:03:05 Speaker 04 My rock idol.
1:03:06 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:03:07 Speaker 04 I, like, I wanna be Prince.
1:03:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:03:10 Speaker 04 I just, he, he did it right.
1:03:13 Speaker 02 Created a world.
1:03:15 Speaker 04 Like, it was, and it made no sense, like, no business being dead, like, none.
1:03:19 Speaker 01 It is crazy, it's like one of those ones that you're like, wait, can we go back? How did this happen?
1:03:23 Speaker 04 How did this happen?
1:03:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:03:24 Speaker 04 It happened so fast.
1:03:25 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:03:26 Speaker 04 And if like, he didn't even get like, his just due, like, it was just like, okay, he's gone, what's next? Like, we, we need to go back and like, honor him properly.
1:03:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, cause he just dropped that last album with like, the three sort of lensed glasses, and then that, that was, yeah, you're right, it didn't feel, yeah.
1:03:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:03:44 Speaker 01 There was, we, I don't, cause he's such a monumental.
1:03:48 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:03:48 Speaker 01 Influence, forget about artist in his own right, influence on the most important artists of our generation.
1:03:54 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:03:55 Speaker 01 Like, namely Beyonce, who by the way, shuts everything down.
1:04:00 Speaker 04 Yep.
1:04:00 Speaker 01 To, to, I'll never forget, it was the Formation World Tour.
1:04:03 Speaker 02 At, at, at Queens, and she.
1:04:05 Speaker 01 She stopped everything.
1:04:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:07 Speaker 01 To make sure that at her concert.
1:04:09 Speaker 04 Yep.
1:04:09 Speaker 01 Prince was going to get a full on, you know, like, moment.
1:04:14 Speaker 04 Yeah, and Tina Turner too.
1:04:16 Speaker 01 Tina.
1:04:17 Speaker 04 Tina is like, the, the female version, they are like, each other's opposites in gender, like, I, if I could be Tina, Tina's knees are better than mine. Like, if you, old school Tina, when she was like. There would be, there are like videos of her where I'm like, is this sped up?
1:04:35 Speaker 02 She created something.
1:04:36 Speaker 04 And it wasn't.
1:04:37 Speaker 02 It wasn't.
1:04:37 Speaker 04 She, it was, it's insane to me. And I'm not even, this is how I know, like, I'm gonna be here for a while. Because I haven't even like touched the surface of, of that, of what I want to do.
1:04:48 Speaker 02 Of course.
1:04:49 Speaker 04 Like, I feel like Deep Space was amazing.
1:04:52 Speaker 02 Introduction.
1:04:53 Speaker 04 And it's my baby.
1:04:53 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:04:54 Speaker 04 But it was my introduction. And I was like timid. And I was like, kind of like doing what I thought I should do. And listening to my trusted team, listening to them, this next album, I was like, no, I'm not doing that.
1:05:10 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:05:11 Speaker 04 I was a little bit more vocal.
1:05:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:05:13 Speaker 04 Um, but I even, I still, even still, like even now, I'm, this project is like mostly done. There's, I'm recording a few more songs. But I'm already thinking about like what I want to do next.
1:05:23 Speaker 02 Yeah, good.
1:05:24 Speaker 04 And it's like, I'm like slowly coming out of my shell. And like, eventually I'm gonna do like whatever the fuck. And it's gonna be what it's gonna be. And I, like, I can't wait to get there.
1:05:36 Speaker 02 This is what I'm saying, Candace, like you, you, you will keep coming out of your shell because this is what you do. This is, this is so exciting. And like, I'm even hearing you talk about like the, the Rob conversation moment, not to go back to this, but just quickly, I'm like, oh, you have such an understanding of narrative and like you knew that wasn't, like, you, like, you knew in the moment, you didn't know in the moment that it would be such a moment.
1:05:58 Speaker 04 Right.
1:05:58 Speaker 02 Right?
1:05:58 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:05:59 Speaker 02 And then what Matt's kind of bringing about, bringing up with like the pageant stuff where it's like, oh, you weren't sort of conflict oriented back in your, in, in that sort of.
1:06:07 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:06:08 Speaker 02 Sort of a origin. It's like, I think you, I'm like, oh, you could be like a producer. Like you, you could be like behind the scenes. You're such a star, you should be in front of the camera.
1:06:17 Speaker 04 Well, that's, that's a thing.
1:06:18 Speaker 02 But you know, I think, I think the world's your oyster.
1:06:22 Speaker 04 Thank you, I receive that.
1:06:24 Speaker 01 I really do.
1:06:24 Speaker 04 I receive it.
1:06:25 Speaker 01 I mean, also, the thing about you is, are you a voice noter?
1:06:28 Speaker 04 Oh, yes.
1:06:28 Speaker 01 Because you write when you speak.
1:06:30 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:06:31 Speaker 01 That's, that's something I recognize in you.
1:06:33 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:06:34 Speaker 01 Is I'm like, I, I feel like you channel.
1:06:36 Speaker 04 Uh huh.
1:06:37 Speaker 01 And you have to have, just your hand has to be on that voice note.
1:06:40 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:06:41 Speaker 01 Because I feel like, sometimes, I don't know how you feel, but it's hard for me to sit down and, and like, actually write and log.
1:06:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:06:49 Speaker 01 It's easier to handwrite.
1:06:50 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:06:50 Speaker 01 But you, like I said, one of our great verbal processors, you literally write when you speak. It's good, you know, it is quality enough when it comes from your brain through your mouth. That's why it's caught on so many times on Housewives. But that, if you channel it, like, that, there's so much that could go into the work.
1:07:08 Speaker 04 I receive that.
1:07:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:07:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, my, Jet, because I, I do talk to text all the time.
1:07:15 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
1:07:15 Speaker 04 And now Jet will take my phone, he calls a stone, stone?
1:07:20 Speaker 01 Stone.
1:07:20 Speaker 04 And he takes my stone, and he'll like, hold it up to his mouth and go.
1:07:26 Speaker 04 I'm like, what are you doing? And I'm like, oh my god, he's mimicking me.
1:07:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:07:30 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:07:31 Speaker 04 Because I do that all day.
1:07:32 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:07:33 Speaker 04 It's, it's insane. But yes, I'm, I'm working on a, a piece of literature.
1:07:38 Speaker 01 Hmm.
1:07:39 Speaker 04 And so much of it. Just a little.
1:07:43 Speaker 01 A little casual literature.
1:07:44 Speaker 04 A little tome.
1:07:45 Speaker 01 Yeah. A little tome.
1:07:47 Speaker 04 A miniature tome. And, um, some, I do type. Because I do, like, depending on the day that I'm writing, some days I do just want to like, I want, I want the energy to come out of my hand.
1:07:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:07:58 Speaker 04 But some days I'm like, no, I'm just about to hit this button and, and like, speak the words of this book.
1:08:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, 100%.
1:08:05 Speaker 04 And, and it just, it, it goes.
1:08:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:08:07 Speaker 04 And it, and yeah, I do, it's because I read a lot as a kid.
1:08:11 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
1:08:11 Speaker 04 I was always reading a book, a Goosebumps book, Babysitter's Club book.
1:08:15 Speaker 01 Goosebumps, Babysitter's Club.
1:08:16 Speaker 04 Mary J. Clark book.
1:08:17 Speaker 01 The, the, this is, The Boxcar Children.
1:08:19 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:08:20 Speaker 01 Oh, Boxcar Children.
1:08:21 Speaker 04 Oh, yes, I do. Oh, my gosh.
1:08:24 Speaker 01 No, yeah, that's, that's, this is all, it's all foundational. I've always wanted to ask you, what did you do at the White House? What was your job at the White House?
1:08:31 Speaker 04 I was. An intern in the offices of public engagement and intergovernmental affairs.
1:08:36 Speaker 02 I see.
1:08:37 Speaker 04 So I was a liaison. So my office liaised between the White House and mostly the black community.
1:08:42 Speaker 02 Oh, okay.
1:08:42 Speaker 04 So like, we would do all the tours. We'd bring people in.
1:08:45 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:08:45 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:08:46 Speaker 02 First term Obama or second?
1:08:48 Speaker 04 First term.
1:08:49 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:08:49 Speaker 04 End of first term. And then when I did the campaign, that was the second.
1:08:52 Speaker 02 Yes, yes, 2012.
1:08:55 Speaker 02 What a time.
1:08:56 Speaker 01 We were lucky enough to get a tour right before the old switch over. But we, I was on tour in DC this last, no, no, obviously not this last, but the year prior. And it was, I had to be, it had to be, you know, December 4th, 5th, 6th. So they, they knew.
1:09:12 Speaker 04 The holiday.
1:09:13 Speaker 01 So, yeah, so it was the holidays at the White House, but it was obviously a month after the election and a month before the changeover. So they were like, yeah, if you want to come in for a tour, they literally go.
1:09:22 Speaker 04 I think I did that too.
1:09:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:09:24 Speaker 04 Yeah, we was like, and I took jet. That was like his.
1:09:26 Speaker 01 Cause you were like, let me get in here before.
1:09:29 Speaker 04 Yeah, he had been like three other times when he was in utero. And I was like, let's go so you can like see it and get, get a picture in here. So, you know, if it all burns to the ground, we can say we were in here.
1:09:39 Speaker 01 And it basically is anyway.
1:09:41 Speaker 04 It's ashes.
1:09:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:09:43 Speaker 01 They said as much though. They, I, I, I remember feeling so frustrated. And, but obviously understanding because, you know, the lovely women that were giving us the tour there were like, cause you know, who knows if we're ever coming back. And I'm like, even you guys are saying that.
1:09:58 Speaker 04 It is grim in there. Yeah. And then recently I was invited.
1:10:02 Speaker 01 Oh, no.
1:10:03 Speaker 04 For a tour. And I was like, now why would I do that? I was like, I've seen it. Thanks. No, thank you.
1:10:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, I've been there.
1:10:10 Speaker 04 You know, I, somebody was like, well, you know, it's, it's still the White House. It's like, it's not my White House.
1:10:15 Speaker 01 No.
1:10:15 Speaker 04 And I don't, and then it's just the energy. I'm gonna go in there and like, I've heard about the, the, like, out of spite, the changes that have been made.
1:10:24 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:10:25 Speaker 04 It's just gonna piss me off. I'm gonna end up like underground in a bunker or something. Cause I'll like kick a door in.
1:10:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:10:30 Speaker 04 I don't need to go.
1:10:31 Speaker 01 No.
1:10:31 Speaker 04 No, I've seen it.
1:10:32 Speaker 02 Wait a minute, wait a minute. Oh, I have to really point out, quickly point out, um, we forgot to say, um, undomesticated.
1:10:38 Speaker 04 Undomesticated.
1:10:40 Speaker 02 Michael, no, I've read his book. When it came out.
1:10:43 Speaker 04 Which one?
1:10:43 Speaker 02 I can't date Jesus.
1:10:44 Speaker 04 Oh, that is my book. That's how I slid in his DMs like,
1:10:48 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:10:48 Speaker 04 Wait, this book is like my life.
1:10:51 Speaker 02 Excellent.
1:10:52 Speaker 04 Just the way he writes the way that I think.
1:10:56 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:10:57 Speaker 04 And like all of his books are this way, but like you just, you feel like you're sitting like with a friend, like just talking about your life when you're reading his book.
1:11:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:11:06 Speaker 04 And I remember my best friend was like, I'm reading this book and I feel like you would really like it. And it's like, like it's just aligned with your life. And I was like, okay, sure, I'll read it. And I was halfway through and I just, I've never done it before. I was like, I need to tell him.
1:11:20 Speaker 02 Oh.
1:11:21 Speaker 04 How amazing his writing is. And I slid in his DMs and I was like, you know, I just like, everything you're saying about like your mom, your relationship with your mom and like your life and being from the South. We both went to Howard.
1:11:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
1:11:32 Speaker 04 So I was just, I was like, I have to tell you this. And we became friends from that.
1:11:36 Speaker 02 Genuine, beautiful, yeah.
1:11:37 Speaker 04 I just, he's, he's a brilliant, he's like too brilliant for the world.
1:11:42 Speaker 02 He's wonderful. He writes all about how like, he calls it um, betheism, like his love for Beyonce, but like how like,
1:11:49 Speaker 01 Betheism?
1:11:50 Speaker 02 Because he came up Catholic, I believe.
1:11:52 Speaker 04 He's Catholic, he was raised Catholic.
1:11:53 Speaker 02 He was raised Catholic and like he like maybe was gonna be a priest, I think.
1:11:58 Speaker 04 I don't remember this.
1:11:59 Speaker 02 A man of the cloth in some way. And then like, he just writes about how like, loving someone like Beyonce is a better sort of lens to which, through which you like evaluate your own self concept or worth or whatever. Like that is a bit more meaningful in the current day.
1:12:15 Speaker 01 Interesting.
1:12:15 Speaker 02 Like look at a pop star like Beyonce or any, or just any artist that you love and just be like, oh, this is, this is telling me something about myself. It's very, it's so, it's, it's very beautiful. And like, I've always, I've been such, I love that you guys have this wonderful podcast together.
1:12:28 Speaker 04 Yes. It just, it works. And he's, I mean, he, he lives up to his name. He, his name on Instagram is Young Seneca. So he's going to give it to you very straight and tell you the truth. And I'm not far behind. But I love how we like, we find different ways to like approach the same topic. He's gonna be like, yeah, that bitch is fucked up. And I'd be like, yeah, she is fucked up, but you know, maybe in her childhood, her daddy was, you know, I will find a way. But, cause I have an honorary M D.
1:12:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, come on now.
1:13:00 Speaker 04 Um, my parents are physicians, so you know, I will, I will diagnose. I was just talking the other day about.
1:13:05 Speaker 01 You know enough.
1:13:06 Speaker 04 Something, somebody's like blood pressure or something. And my mom was like, are you a doctor? I say, yes, girl.
1:13:12 Speaker 01 Isn't that how it works?
1:13:13 Speaker 04 Okay, like.
1:13:14 Speaker 01 I'm a hairdresser, I suppose.
1:13:15 Speaker 04 Yes, yes. You've been around it enough.
1:13:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:13:19 Speaker 04 You have an M.D. honorably.
1:13:21 Speaker 01 You know what, though? You do pick up some things. Some, part of why I think I'm doing this is because I heard my mom talk to women in the chair when she was cutting their hair. So you're a doctor?
1:13:31 Speaker 04 It is the same, yes. And you are Oprah. Yes.
1:13:35 Speaker 01 You see this?
1:13:35 Speaker 04 That's how it works. Yeah.
1:13:37 Speaker 02 Absolutely. Okay, in that vein, I think it's time to move on.
1:13:40 Speaker 01 Before we, before we move on to I Don't Think So Honey, I do have to ask you one question, which is, what is your favorite Brandy track?
1:13:48 Speaker 04 There's not one. The entire, entire.
1:13:52 Speaker 01 I just, I die to talk about her all the time on this podcast, and we rarely have people that are like, that know the lore.
1:13:58 Speaker 04 Same, people don't respect Brandy.
1:14:00 Speaker 01 They never have.
1:14:02 Speaker 04 The respect she deserves.
1:14:03 Speaker 01 They took it for granted.
1:14:04 Speaker 04 Yes, but no, it's not even that. It's, it's just that you don't have the range. Like, when you don't get Brandy, it's because, mm, you can't sit with us. Like, you don't get it.
1:14:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:14:11 Speaker 04 You have to put your ear on the speaker.
1:14:13 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:14:13 Speaker 04 To really appreciate Brandy, the vocal bible.
1:14:16 Speaker 01 Vocal bible, vocal bible. So you used to really, I read this about you, you used to really put your ear to the speaker so you could hear all the stacks, all the harmonies.
1:14:24 Speaker 04 Every run, every stack, yes. And like, I want like six harmony, I want six-part harmony.
1:14:31 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:14:31 Speaker 04 Because Brandy did it first.
1:14:33 Speaker 01 No, she picked down the door so Ariana could sprint.
1:14:36 Speaker 04 Listen, yes, Kalani too has talked about how she is like, that is her mother.
1:14:41 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:14:41 Speaker 04 And they be sick of me in the studio, like, okay, we, no, no, no, it's one more in there. Let's, let's find it.
1:14:46 Speaker 01 Let's find it.
1:14:46 Speaker 04 Let's find it, because it's in there.
1:14:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:14:48 Speaker 04 Yes, like you, I, the fullness of sound is because of Brandy.
1:14:53 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:14:54 Speaker 04 Acapella from Human.
1:14:56 Speaker 01 Ooh.
1:14:56 Speaker 04 I love the entire Human album.
1:14:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:14:59 Speaker 04 Um, but Acapella is probably one of my favorites.
1:15:01 Speaker 01 I think it's a ti, I Never Say Never comes at, in 98, so that's like right around when Butterfly happened. So this is when I was like, telling myself, okay, this is the music I like.
1:15:09 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:15:10 Speaker 01 But then also, you know, album gets lost is Aphrodisiac. Unfortunately, Kanye is on Talk About Our Love, but I do love that song.
1:15:17 Speaker 04 That's a good one. I also, um, the, the not, the latest one that she did. With Camper, that everybody was like, this is weird. What was that album called?
1:15:25 Speaker 01 Are you talking about B7?
1:15:26 Speaker 04 B7.
1:15:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:27 Speaker 04 I appreciate B7.
1:15:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:29 Speaker 04 Like.
1:15:30 Speaker 01 I appreciate anything she does.
1:15:31 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:15:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:32 Speaker 04 Yeah, like people were like, this is, it was different. And, and I mean, Brandy is known for a specific sound. I get, I respect that she wanted to try something else.
1:15:41 Speaker 01 Yes, of course.
1:15:42 Speaker 04 And, and I, I lived for it. Yeah.
1:15:44 Speaker 01 Last year, when we were putting our culture awards together, and so we heard that Brandy and Monica were going on tour together. And I remember I said, wait, I was like, there's no better moment in life I can ever think of than them for the first time, or at least for a long time, performing The Boy Is Mine together.
1:16:01 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:16:01 Speaker 01 I wrote them a letter. Uh, do you remember this?
1:16:04 Speaker 02 Cause they were pitched to us.
1:16:05 Speaker 01 They were, so, so basically like, we saw that there was a possible chance. And I was like, stop everything. I've never done this before.
1:16:12 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:16:12 Speaker 01 I'm writing a letter to the talent. And I gotta like, I gotta find it and.
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1:20:01 Speaker 04 Wherever you get your podcasts.
1:20:05 Speaker 01 Keep it because I, I, by the end I was emotional.
1:20:08 Speaker 04 Oh, my gosh.
1:20:09 Speaker 01 I realized like I was speaking about something that had such a bigger impact than I could ever know.
1:20:13 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:20:14 Speaker 01 Just like the lore of their relationship.
1:20:17 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:20:18 Speaker 01 That all went right into that, to, to the vocals in that, like, just the, the wildness of the riffs and the choices. But how they spoke to each other, the tension in that.
1:20:28 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:20:28 Speaker 01 The very adult tone in Monica's voice contrasting with the girlish airiness of Brandy's voice. Gave personified POV, one of the great tracks ever, ever, is that song.
1:20:44 Speaker 04 Whenever we duplicated, never be duplicated.
1:20:45 Speaker 02 Never.
1:20:46 Speaker 01 Never, they can't.
1:20:47 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:20:48 Speaker 01 Or they should try, because we'd love to hear the attempts.
1:20:51 Speaker 04 Yes, no, I want to see them at Essence, like they're, I'm, I'm happy that they're continuing, like, that they're not sick of each other yet.
1:20:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, because you do, you do worry.
1:21:01 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:21:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:21:02 Speaker 04 You know, ever so slightly.
1:21:04 Speaker 02 When you're tied to people in that way through the years, it's like, you never know what the, what the tone is.
1:21:10 Speaker 04 When they're gonna be over it, yeah.
1:21:10 Speaker 02 Exactly.
1:21:11 Speaker 04 Let's, let's keep it going.
1:21:12 Speaker 01 I love it. And this, ever since their versus, that was like what got me into the versus of it all.
1:21:17 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:21:18 Speaker 01 Okay, is this like child's play, what's happening? And then they said they got Brandy and Monica to come do it. And I was like, oh, this is real. And then they had that one moment of tension and I'm like, no, no, don't ruin it.
1:21:27 Speaker 04 Pack it up, like, please.
1:21:28 Speaker 01 Don't ruin it, please. We're, we're all living at home during COVID.
1:21:32 Speaker 04 They're amazing together. And I'm just, and it's also just like, it's very grown women of them to be like, okay, let's put this all to the side. The fans want this. Let's give, and we need healing.
1:21:44 Speaker 01 We really do.
1:21:44 Speaker 04 In the world right now, okay? So if the girls are not fighting, everything is good.
1:21:50 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:21:50 Speaker 04 The other girls are fighting. Let them fight.
1:21:51 Speaker 01 A hundred percent. Let them fight, not y'all.
1:21:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:21:55 Speaker 01 Okay, it's I don't think so honey time. This is where we take one minute, sort of, you know, work out feelings on something in culture.
1:22:03 Speaker 02 I can, I, I might start this time.
1:22:05 Speaker 01 You want to start this time?
1:22:06 Speaker 02 Because, because Candace has inspired something in me.
1:22:09 Speaker 01 Then LFG, okay, I'm gonna put, um, one minute on the clock for the one, the only Bowen Yang.
1:22:14 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:22:15 Speaker 01 And he's gonna tear it up. This is Bowen Yang's, I don't think so, honey. And his time starts now.
1:22:20 Speaker 02 I don't think so, honey. Oh, you're still on your dad's plan for XYZ? Yes, I still have a Chase college debit account because my father started it in my name. Right over here, we have the iconic Candace Dillard-Bassett saying, yes, I'm still on my father's phone plan.
1:22:38 Speaker 04 Apps are fricking moving.
1:22:38 Speaker 02 And I will never get off of it.
1:22:40 Speaker 04 For why?
1:22:40 Speaker 02 For why?
1:22:42 Speaker 04 What would be the reason?
1:22:42 Speaker 01 For what reason?
1:22:43 Speaker 02 Because we, because like, it's not like a thing where with like, um, marriages, let's say, where it's like, yeah, of course you like, kind of combine your assets. You combine your things. There's nothing wrong with someone in the family, no matter what the age is, to be within the plan of some arrangement.
1:22:57 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:22:57 Speaker 02 I don't think there should be stigma around that. I don't understand. I'm not, there's no existential functional difference in me having this Chase college account.
1:23:05 Speaker 01 Fifteen seconds?
1:23:06 Speaker 02 Under my dad's name. It's under my name, but it still has his name in parentheses. He doesn't have any visibility into it. But I'm like, yeah, why not? It connects me to my college days. I think of myself, 2008, moving to New York with a dream and $10 in my account.
1:23:21 Speaker 01 And that's one minute. I remember the moment that the Chase representative walked up and said, what about a credit card? And my parents turned to me and said, I guess we're getting you a credit card.
1:23:31 Speaker 04 Oh my gosh, wow.
1:23:31 Speaker 01 It's a moment.
1:23:32 Speaker 04 Yes. I'm also, my, so my first checking account that my dad opened was like, under his name.
1:23:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:23:40 Speaker 04 I also still have that account.
1:23:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
1:23:42 Speaker 04 Yes. So like, if he needs to like, transfer money or, or take money out, cause like, I think, you know how you can do the, you pay for the phone and installment?
1:23:52 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yes, yes.
1:23:53 Speaker 04 So he makes me pay for that.
1:23:55 Speaker 02 You're still, it's still your phone.
1:23:57 Speaker 04 And it comes out of that account.
1:23:58 Speaker 02 Exactly.
1:23:58 Speaker 04 And I just pay him like, the $47 or whatever it is a month, and he set up the automatic trans. So it's like, yes. But if he wants to slide a couple of dollars in there, he can do that too. That's fine as well. Yes.
1:24:08 Speaker 01 Their parents having access to that kind of account is, is so funny because the, when I knew I had to end it was, um, my mom goes to me, I just wanted to ask about, cause I can see it. And I was like, okay, don't look at that. She was like, that's OnlyFans.
1:24:24 Speaker 02 No.
1:24:27 Speaker 04 What?
1:24:27 Speaker 01 I was like, uh, I'm supporting the arts.
1:24:29 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:24:30 Speaker 01 I was like, don't look at this anymore.
1:24:32 Speaker 04 You are technically.
1:24:33 Speaker 01 But I mean, hold on.
1:24:34 Speaker 04 It is the art.
1:24:34 Speaker 02 It's artful.
1:24:35 Speaker 01 Art is a loose term and...
1:24:38 Speaker 02 So are the men.
1:24:39 Speaker 04 Listen, my god today.
1:24:44 Speaker 01 Okay, fabulous and more.
1:24:46 Speaker 02 Thank you.
1:24:47 Speaker 01 I think you spoke to a generation.
1:24:48 Speaker 02 I don't understand the stigma around it.
1:24:50 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:24:51 Speaker 01 Okay, I have one.
1:24:52 Speaker 02 Okay, great.
1:24:53 Speaker 01 This is, you know, it's not directed at anyone in particular, but we're talking fashion.
1:24:58 Speaker 02 This is Matt Rogers, I don't think so many times, starts now.
1:25:01 Speaker 01 I don't think so, honey, men in sheer. Now, I'm, is this a little bit me just scared to do, because I feel like, you know, when Hudson and Connor hit the carpet and they're in a look, you have to think, is this now a fashion trend? And they were in sheer last night at the Vanity Fair Oscar party, and I said, please not this, because then we might have to explore sheer. That's not happening for me like the way it is on Hudson and Connor, and I think this may go the way of shirtless under a blazer. If you think, can think back to six years ago.
1:25:32 Speaker 02 Thirty seconds.
1:25:32 Speaker 01 Lot of people doing shirtless under a blazer on red carpets.
1:25:36 Speaker 02 It dates, it dates the look.
1:25:37 Speaker 01 It dates the look, and I just think, classic.
1:25:41 Speaker 02 Thirty seconds.
1:25:42 Speaker 01 What if we return to classic? I think about this a lot. I just kind of want to see, you showed up the other day at the GLAD Awards in like, like a black tux.
1:25:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:25:52 Speaker 01 I said, classic.
1:25:53 Speaker 04 Yes, classic.
1:25:54 Speaker 01 Remember those? Return to Hollywood glamour.
1:25:56 Speaker 02 Five seconds.
1:25:57 Speaker 01 I'm just saying, let's call out these things before they become mainstay trends. Sheer, I don't think so, honey.
1:26:03 Speaker 02 And that's one minute and sixteen seconds.
1:26:05 Speaker 01 Oh, wow, I really went over.
1:26:06 Speaker 02 I went over, no problem.
1:26:07 Speaker 04 You had a lot to say.
1:26:08 Speaker 01 I just, because you know when you see it start to catch on?
1:26:11 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:26:11 Speaker 01 And you're like, okay, now you have to wrap your mind around it.
1:26:16 Speaker 04 Yes, yeah, I love sheer, though. I do sheer all, often.
1:26:19 Speaker 01 That's you, though.
1:26:20 Speaker 04 Yeah, I do like a bra and I'll do like a sheer top.
1:26:23 Speaker 01 Hundred percent, but for men, it's like, it's like, if you're gonna do sheer, that kind of means you're showing nipple.
1:26:28 Speaker 04 A little bit.
1:26:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:26:29 Speaker 04 I mean, but they're just, they're just little nips.
1:26:31 Speaker 01 They are totally little nips.
1:26:33 Speaker 04 It's like huge areolas.
1:26:35 Speaker 02 Right.
1:26:35 Speaker 04 You know?
1:26:36 Speaker 01 But not every nipple is made the same.
1:26:37 Speaker 04 They are not.
1:26:39 Speaker 01 Like, some nipples are like, you see a nipple on the wild and you're like, oh, wow.
1:26:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:26:43 Speaker 02 I know.
1:26:44 Speaker 01 Mine have the little points.
1:26:45 Speaker 02 Mine, I'm like, I gotta go to Sanu and get the massage for an hour per boob.
1:26:50 Speaker 01 I know, we gotta go to Sanu.
1:26:51 Speaker 04 Yes, get the milk out. It's important. Okay, don't let it stay in there too long.
1:26:56 Speaker 01 The shaking of the heads that are happening.
1:26:58 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:26:58 Speaker 01 Okay, so here we go. We're, we're, we're ready.
1:27:02 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:27:02 Speaker 01 For the moment, that is Candace's.
1:27:04 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:27:05 Speaker 01 I don't think so, honey. Do you have thoughts?
1:27:07 Speaker 04 I have a thought.
1:27:08 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:27:08 Speaker 02 And you can read off the phone if you would like.
1:27:10 Speaker 04 Wait, do I want to use this one? Cause I feel like I already.
1:27:14 Speaker 01 See, now this is how we know the notes app is.
1:27:16 Speaker 04 The notes app be popping on my phone. Like, not even kidding. Wait, I might, I want to find one.
1:27:23 Speaker 02 Yep, take your time.
1:27:24 Speaker 04 Wait, I wasn't prepared.
1:27:27 Speaker 02 No, no, no.
1:27:27 Speaker 04 Be prepared.
1:27:31 Speaker 01 You need to cover, be prepared.
1:27:32 Speaker 04 Yes, my mother called me Scar once.
1:27:35 Speaker 02 Why?
1:27:36 Speaker 04 I don't know. We were talking about The Lion King. It was like around the time of my wedding. And she was like, you have an attitude. You're acting. And she's like.
1:27:45 Speaker 01 You're acting like Scar?
1:27:46 Speaker 04 Scar. She was like, oh, whatever, Scar. She said it like that.
1:27:50 Speaker 02 All right.
1:27:51 Speaker 04 And my best friend never lets me forget that she called me Scar.
1:27:54 Speaker 01 Okay, Scar.
1:27:55 Speaker 04 Yes, and I will never forget.
1:27:56 Speaker 02 By the way, you would never do House of Villains because you're, that's, that's predicated on you being a villain.
1:28:01 Speaker 04 Exactly. And I'm not a villain. I'm just misunderstood.
1:28:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, also, I think it's loose.
1:28:07 Speaker 02 I understand. Okay.
1:28:08 Speaker 01 It's like.
1:28:09 Speaker 02 It's loose, it's loose, whatever.
1:28:10 Speaker 01 They asked Fraser if he wanted to do it. I'm like, you're not a villain.
1:28:12 Speaker 02 He's not a villain.
1:28:13 Speaker 04 Fraser, like.
1:28:14 Speaker 01 Below Deck.
1:28:15 Speaker 04 Oh, yes, yes, yes. Uh huh. He's not a villain. Is he a villain?
1:28:19 Speaker 02 No.
1:28:19 Speaker 01 He's not a villain.
1:28:21 Speaker 04 Well, maybe that's the lore in it, like.
1:28:22 Speaker 01 He's just like blonde and icy and British. And so they try to like, they reject. He told me that they're always trying to push him in a villain direction. And he's like, but that's not really what I can, what I can give you naturally.
1:28:33 Speaker 04 Mm hmm.
1:28:34 Speaker 01 And so, yeah, I feel like you know something about that.
1:28:36 Speaker 04 Yes, that's how I feel often. Okay, I, there are so many things I could say and they're all just escaping me.
1:28:45 Speaker 02 That's okay.
1:28:46 Speaker 04 Oh, I've got it.
1:28:47 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:28:49 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:28:51 Speaker 02 Lock in for Candace. This is Candace Dillerbassits. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.
1:28:57 Speaker 02 But again, one last time, as we mentioned at the top of this episode, we recorded this the day after the Oscars when Matt and I were blissfully unaware of this whole Bachelorette fiasco. Obviously, a lot of things have happened since, including the TMZ video and the cancellation of the season at the time of this recording, as in this little memo insertion. It seems like it's still developing. Anyway, that's just helpful to know. Okay, enjoy Candace's wonderful, I don't think so, honey.
1:29:26 Speaker 04 I don't think so, honey, but y'all and this new Bachelorette, Miss, what is her name? Frankie Taylor, Taylor Frankie Paul? She's ghetto. And I'm just gonna go on the record and say as much. I've said it already. But the Bachelorette used to be this like girl next door. You know, she's pulled up, she's straight and narrow. She's got all of her marbles. She keeps her legs closed. She sits pretty. She's, she gives you, she gives you sashaying of the shoulder.
1:29:56 Speaker 02 30 seconds.
1:29:56 Speaker 04 And now we are fully like embracing the direction of hood rat. Like she, she's been to jail. She is, she's been, she's like beating up her husband allegedly.
1:30:11 Speaker 02 Right, 15 seconds.
1:30:12 Speaker 04 She's, she's a mess. And I'm just like, how did we get here? The Bachelorette is going downhill fast. I'm gonna be watching. But I will be watching with just, just like a squint in my eye. Because how, how are we here? What do we do? The man came out the other day saying that he slept with her the day before she left to go do the show.
1:30:33 Speaker 02 Oh, no.
1:30:34 Speaker 04 We are in the ghetto.
1:30:36 Speaker 02 And that's 1 minute and 10 seconds. So I didn't realize until last night, watching the Oscars, when they were playing the commercials for ABC, I was like, that's Mormon Girl.
1:30:44 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:30:44 Speaker 02 I didn't realize we were dipping into the other, into the other properties.
1:30:48 Speaker 04 We are dipping into the ghetto.
1:30:49 Speaker 02 I have not, wait, who, who is this person?
1:30:52 Speaker 04 Who is she?
1:30:54 Speaker 02 Frankie Taylor Paul.
1:30:54 Speaker 04 Frankie Tay, it's Taylor Frankie Paul is her name.
1:30:58 Speaker 01 Taylor Frankie Paul.
1:30:59 Speaker 04 And she's just, she's a mess.
1:31:01 Speaker 02 Well.
1:31:02 Speaker 04 She's just a mess.
1:31:03 Speaker 02 Utah doesn't have a good history with people with the last name Frankie. I'm just gonna say.
1:31:06 Speaker 04 Oh, is that, who else is Frankie?
1:31:07 Speaker 02 So there was also that.
1:31:08 Speaker 01 She's the Bachelorette?
1:31:09 Speaker 04 That's her. That's it.
1:31:11 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:31:12 Speaker 02 Taylor Frankie Paul.
1:31:12 Speaker 04 How did we get here?
1:31:13 Speaker 01 TikToker and a reality star. Well, you know what? I think honestly, what happened is. I think Dancing With The Stars had huge success with Whitney Levitt.
1:31:21 Speaker 04 Yes, whom I love.
1:31:22 Speaker 01 And, yes.
1:31:22 Speaker 04 I love her.
1:31:23 Speaker 01 And, and real talent. And then they said, okay, well, this is a property that people clearly are hungry for.
1:31:27 Speaker 04 Right.
1:31:28 Speaker 01 And it's both ABC.
1:31:29 Speaker 04 Let's lean in.
1:31:29 Speaker 01 And so they probably said, because The Secret Rives is on Hulu, right?
1:31:32 Speaker 04 Yes. Yep, yep.
1:31:33 Speaker 01 Helping the umbrella.
1:31:34 Speaker 04 Yep, there you go. Yeah, it all makes sense.
1:31:36 Speaker 01 What is that called? Um?
1:31:37 Speaker 02 Synergy?
1:31:38 Speaker 01 Synergy.
1:31:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:31:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, that. You know, down the line.
1:31:42 Speaker 04 Just this thing trickle down.
1:31:42 Speaker 01 I was unaware she was selected for such a role.
1:31:45 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think it started already, or it's starting soon.
1:31:48 Speaker 01 Ah.
1:31:49 Speaker 04 But I'm just like, she just, I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna just, I'm gonna be open.
1:31:55 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:31:55 Speaker 04 But I'm very much judging.
1:31:57 Speaker 02 Do you feel like, as, um, as someone in unscripted television, that you must be very literate and very caught up on the, the, the general landscape of it?
1:32:09 Speaker 04 To a degree.
1:32:10 Speaker 02 It's a lot. It's a lot of stuff.
1:32:12 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think you have to also like, kind of protect your peace and decide like, okay, I'm gonna step away for now.
1:32:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:32:17 Speaker 04 But it's also like, if you are at all on socials, you can't, you can't escape it.
1:32:23 Speaker 02 It's the air, yeah.
1:32:23 Speaker 04 If you're on TMZ or The Shade Room, which is like, that's the devil's door. TMZ, um, The Neighborhood Talk, like, these are, I follow these, these.
1:32:33 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:32:34 Speaker 04 Behemoths of social. And you're like, you, you're gonna see, even people, like, all of our, like, reputable, like, journalistic outlets are like, in the smut of it all now.
1:32:45 Speaker 01 There's something did happen. I, well, obviously, we know what happened, which is fucking a reality star became the president of the United States.
1:32:52 Speaker 04 That part.
1:32:52 Speaker 01 But then I do think everything kind of collapsed in and itself, where it was like, there's no, um, it's hard to tell what's an A-list star now.
1:33:01 Speaker 04 Correct.
1:33:01 Speaker 01 And, and, and others.
1:33:04 Speaker 04 Like, people, people lose their minds in the airport for reality stars.
1:33:09 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:33:09 Speaker 04 But like, Angela Bassett is standing there.
1:33:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly.
1:33:12 Speaker 04 Where we said, this is Jennifer Aniston, it's here.
1:33:14 Speaker 01 Can I divert your attention?
1:33:14 Speaker 04 Hello? Like, real talent is, you know, they don't care.
1:33:18 Speaker 02 Well, the, the, it's, it's the parasociality of it. It's like, I, but meanwhile, for me, whatever, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll analyze myself later, but it's like, people feel like they will know. Know you and so they'll like come up to you and sort of break down the familiarity walls a little too quickly. Whereas if they see someone more quote unquote reputable artistically and whatever, whatever that means.
1:33:39 Speaker 04 They're a they're in another echelon. So I can't relate.
1:33:42 Speaker 02 Unreachable. Um, I, yes, I don't know too many details about their life firsthand.
1:33:48 Speaker 04 Right. But do you, before you were you and you were you, if you saw like Tiffany Pollard on the street.
1:33:59 Speaker 02 Never.
1:33:59 Speaker 04 That's different.
1:34:00 Speaker 01 Well, when you, when you have also like an occasion to speak to them.
1:34:04 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:34:05 Speaker 01 That's different. So there was something like that happened where once I got in the rooms as and I was invited to the room. I was like, now I feel like I can say hello because like there, I, I always say, well, since I was little, like my idol was Kelly Clarkson. Idol, idol, idol, idol. And I remember when you performed on her show too. I was so proud of you. I was like, yeah, she performed on Kelly. Uh, even though it was COVID and virtual.
1:34:31 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:34:32 Speaker 01 Um, but I had gotten to the point where like, there were a few times where I could have like gone up to her randomly and said hello, but I was like, no.
1:34:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:34:41 Speaker 01 I have to wait because I knew I, I, I was manifesting.
1:34:45 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:34:46 Speaker 01 Like interacting with her like in some way. And then I got to meet her on her show when I was a guest. So I was just like, I'm happy I waited because I never think anyone's gonna wanna talk to me anyway.
1:34:57 Speaker 04 For like, why?
1:34:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:34:59 Speaker 04 Why do you think? And it's not to say that I, my friends call me a friendly hoe because I will stop and talk to everybody. I love like when people wanna come up to me and talk to me, but that's me.
1:35:08 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:35:09 Speaker 04 I don't think.
1:35:10 Speaker 02 I'm with you. Yeah.
1:35:10 Speaker 04 That anyone wants to hear my.
1:35:13 Speaker 02 From me.
1:35:14 Speaker 04 Story about how I was crying because I, you, when you threw your butter knife, it made me want to throw my butter knife. Like I don't.
1:35:22 Speaker 01 You gave us all permission.
1:35:23 Speaker 04 Right. I was liberated to throw butter knives. Like, I don't think you care.
1:35:28 Speaker 02 Have you been, have you had that occasion with Tiffany?
1:35:31 Speaker 04 I've never met Tiffany. I've never been in proximity to her.
1:35:33 Speaker 02 So if you are in like a room with her where everybody's sort of like, like the social glue is there, would you go up to her?
1:35:40 Speaker 04 I would, because like you, I feel like I'm in a space where I've arrived enough.
1:35:46 Speaker 01 She'd be thrilled to see you.
1:35:48 Speaker 04 Enough.
1:35:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:35:49 Speaker 04 I still have, I have more arriving to do, but I've arrived enough where it's like, okay, we are like, we're, there's synergy here. We're like in a similar zeitgeist of things.
1:36:01 Speaker 01 100%.
1:36:02 Speaker 04 And yes, I would.
1:36:04 Speaker 01 We need to see you guys in conversation. Next year, variety actors on actors. I want to see everyone who's up there an Oscar and then Candace and Tiffany. This is what I'm saying.
1:36:14 Speaker 04 Screaming.
1:36:14 Speaker 01 And I know we can make it happen. This is a place where things get manifested.
1:36:18 Speaker 04 Listen, I'm a man, I'm a manifester. However, I will say, a good friend of mine, Kami Crawford, do you know Kami?
1:36:24 Speaker 01 I don't think so.
1:36:25 Speaker 04 She was Miss Teen USA. She was on, she hosted Catfish with Ned.
1:36:29 Speaker 01 Oh, sure, sure, sure.
1:36:30 Speaker 04 She has a podcast called Relationship. She recently did a post where she met a woman like randomly at The Grove. The woman was like, um, do you say, do you manifest? And she was like, of course. And the woman was like, well, stop. You need to womanfest.
1:36:48 Speaker 01 Oh, sure.
1:36:50 Speaker 04 Well, wait a damn minute.
1:36:51 Speaker 01 Sure.
1:36:52 Speaker 04 If that's not real, so I'm no longer manifesting, I'm womanfesting.
1:36:55 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:36:56 Speaker 04 Okay. It is Women's History Month.
1:36:58 Speaker 01 And I think we have fully gay guy infested, a full banger of an episode with you today.
1:37:05 Speaker 04 I could talk to you guys all day.
1:37:06 Speaker 01 And I swear, like, we have always like looked through the screen and just had so much fun watching you. You're so just like, you carry the light and we love watching you crush. Of course, we're the star of The Traitors. Like, when you and Rinna pulled off those cloaks to see each other, know that that was also the response we were having at home. I called you like, I can't, I deal with who they pick.
1:37:31 Speaker 02 I pumped my fist in the air.
1:37:33 Speaker 01 It was one of those, and we needed it in the moment.
1:37:35 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:37:36 Speaker 02 Absolutely.
1:37:36 Speaker 04 It was a brilliant time.
1:37:37 Speaker 01 We adore you. Are you going on tour with? Tamar?
1:37:40 Speaker 04 Perhaps.
1:37:43 Speaker 02 Braxton family values.
1:37:45 Speaker 04 You know, we are the Braxtons and you'll see, what is the song? We are the Braxtons and you'll see.
1:37:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, yes.
1:37:50 Speaker 04 We are not like, and I don't know the words. Tony, Tracy, do I not treat her to my miss eagle? Teach you a thing or two.
1:37:56 Speaker 01 Yes, and she's warm.
1:37:58 Speaker 04 The family value, no, I'm not.
1:38:00 Speaker 01 Now you are.
1:38:01 Speaker 04 Yes, no, I love, long, long live the Braxtons.
1:38:05 Speaker 01 Oh, deeply.
1:38:06 Speaker 04 But you, I will say, I know we have to go, but like, they say you're not supposed to meet your heroes. I actually like, would be terrified to meet Tony.
1:38:12 Speaker 01 Well, Tony is another level.
1:38:14 Speaker 04 I would be terrified.
1:38:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:38:15 Speaker 04 I've obviously, um, met Tamar.
1:38:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:38:18 Speaker 04 I toured with Tamar on her Love and War tour.
1:38:20 Speaker 01 Oh, Love and War.
1:38:21 Speaker 04 And then I have a song with Tracy Braxton, may she rest. Um, and she's probably my favorite Braxton, cause she is just, just insane. Like, the, just the funniest, most hilarious person you will ever meet in your life.
1:38:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:38:35 Speaker 04 And so kind, and so just sisterly, and a mentor, and Tamar is that to me as well. But there's, there's no one like Tracy.
1:38:46 Speaker 01 Tony is the reason for the whole season.
1:38:48 Speaker 04 I would, I don't like get starstruck, I would like melt into the carpet.
1:38:54 Speaker 01 It's Tony Braxton.
1:38:55 Speaker 04 I, I would just rather adore her from afar, almost.
1:38:59 Speaker 01 I understand.
1:39:00 Speaker 04 You know, like she's, I would, I would convulse.
1:39:04 Speaker 01 I saw her in Aida on Broadway.
1:39:07 Speaker 04 Oh.
1:39:07 Speaker 01 And I just.
1:39:08 Speaker 04 This is the 90s?
1:39:09 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:39:09 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:39:10 Speaker 01 This was like 2000, maybe right turn of the century. But I'm telling you, she went in as one of the replacements and I was like, you know, like little 10 year old, like little closeted gay white boy. I was like, we have to see Aida to my parents. And they were like, okay. And I believe Idina Menzel was M. Naris at the time.
1:39:26 Speaker 02 Oh, sure, sure.
1:39:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was, it was star studded, I think. I, it, it felt like that.
1:39:30 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:39:31 Speaker 01 But anyways, um, we love you, this was the last and a half.
1:39:35 Speaker 04 Thank you, guys.
1:39:37 Speaker 01 Stream it all, um, I hope you've watched, uh, The Traitors, otherwise you're spoiled today. Um, but if not, you know, it's still fun.
1:39:45 Speaker 02 It's still fun, if only stream it, cause it's all about the streaming numbers.
1:39:49 Speaker 04 That's right.
1:39:50 Speaker 02 And the upcoming impending album.
1:39:52 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:39:53 Speaker 02 She's not gonna give us the scoop tonight, but we're gonna get it.
1:39:56 Speaker 04 Oh, you'll get it soon.
1:39:57 Speaker 02 We're gonna get it.
1:39:58 Speaker 04 And you're gonna love it.
1:39:58 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:39:59 Speaker 01 We end every episode with a song. Must really think I'm playing. You remember this one? The best conversation. Trust me, that's not what you wanted. I don't do back and forth. I want to let the flag on the play out. Cause you know you're hella disrespectful. Every week I'm up at the diner. Then you're not driving on my dairy. Got me pissed off from my head down to my shoes. Boy, I swear I'm over you. Cause I'm driving right back home. So you can put it down. Now we're gonna, we're gonna promo. Stream the rest of it if you want to hear it on Deep Space, please.
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