Pod Insights Joe and James Fact Up The Worst War Horse Audition Ever About this episode This week Joe Thomas and James Buckley discuss how they blew their shot self taping for Steven Spielberg's 'War Horse', how the cast of The Inbetweeners' dietary choices created a bad stink on set and how Richard from the Inbetweeners Movie was inspired by a real life experience...
Plus the Fact Boys bring some Bonfire Night facts and discuss how many bodies has your glass of tap water been through before you.
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0:43 Speaker 02 JT, how are you today?
0:45 Speaker 03 I'm, I'm good.
0:46 Speaker 02 I say, how are you today? We've just recorded.
0:48 Speaker 03 No, don't. I did. I bought another t-shirt. I forgot to change it.
0:51 Speaker 02 Do you know what? So we did that.
0:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
0:55 Speaker 02 We did that the first, because we record a couple of episodes a day, right?
0:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:01 Speaker 02 And I was like, oh, we were both like, oh, we've brought like a change of clothes or something, if that helps. I mean, not that it fucking matters at all, really. And, and
1:10 Speaker 03 We made it.
1:11 Speaker 02 Really, May and the production team were like, no, it doesn't matter. Anyway. First comment on like one of our episode, episodes on Spotify was some bloke going, wearing the same clothes two weeks in a row. That's a bit gross.
1:24 Speaker 03 So we got away with it.
1:24 Speaker 04 I told you they'd love to comment about it.
1:26 Speaker 02 No, but you were like, no one cares. No one will notice.
1:30 Speaker 04 It's fine.
1:30 Speaker 02 People do, don't they?
1:31 Speaker 04 Well, we've talked about it, which is also why they'll be commenting about it.
1:34 Speaker 02 Right.
1:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, in a way.
1:36 Speaker 04 We encouraged it.
1:37 Speaker 03 If we're trying to keep it under the radar, we should stop bringing it up, I suppose. Just, I don't know. I mean, I'm, I'm not in PR, but I don't, I feel like.
1:47 Speaker 02 I'm tapping my finger against my nose, Joe.
1:50 Speaker 03 But also, like, we.
1:52 Speaker 02 Where did that come from? That's a good fact.
1:54 Speaker 03 We'll get to that.
1:55 Speaker 02 We'll get to that.
1:56 Speaker 03 We'll get to that in, in time.
1:57 Speaker 02 Not next week, but maybe the week after.
1:58 Speaker 03 Maybe the week after, yeah.
1:59 Speaker 02 Where did that gesture, the tapping, you know, keep it to yourself, tapping your finger to your nose?
2:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
2:06 Speaker 02 Do you reckon it's war?
2:08 Speaker 05 It's Jo and James. Ah, Jo and James.
2:12 Speaker 05 Jo and James. Fact up again. Joe and James, Joe and James, Joe and James, Joe and James, Fact up.
2:21 Speaker 02 Welcome to Joe and James Fact up.
2:22 Speaker 03 Hi.
2:23 Speaker 02 This is the podcast where each week we'll be bringing one another a fact that we deem interesting. Uh, yeah, I've, I'm worried that what I find interesting isn't.
2:34 Speaker 03 No, I think.
2:35 Speaker 02 The rest of the world finds interesting.
2:36 Speaker 03 Well, I find it interesting and that's all that counts.
2:40 Speaker 02 Thank you, Joe. Our policy is the more interesting, the more true it is. That's it.
2:47 Speaker 02 That's how, that's the rule. We'll unpack it, we'll debate it and then we'll probably wander off into something completely unrelated. We'll also dig into the weird things that you'd like to think are true, but don't want to research in a segment that we're calling Fact Check.
3:00 Speaker 03 Yep.
3:01 Speaker 02 Got to stop downing beer just before I do stuff.
3:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, I can do the, I've said I can do the first bit if you want.
3:05 Speaker 02 Go on, you take it away.
3:06 Speaker 03 Okay.
3:07 Speaker 02 Can I, can I drink more beer?
3:08 Speaker 03 You can have some more beer and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take over. We'll also dig into the weird things that you'd like to think are true, but don't want to research in a segment we're calling Fact Check. So we want you to send in your facts for us. Email us uh, at hello at email.
3:25 Speaker 02 See, see?
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3:34 Speaker 02 Right, I will say this, right? In your defence then, and mine as well, because I always read that bit. At.
3:41 Speaker 03 At's confusing because it's two at's.
3:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:43 Speaker 03 Email us at hello at.
3:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:45 Speaker 03 Email us on?
3:48 Speaker 04 I'd just say email us.
3:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:50 Speaker 03 Email us. Yeah, email us.
3:51 Speaker 02 That is what we have.
3:52 Speaker 04 That's in the script.
3:53 Speaker 02 That's what we have, yeah.
3:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, no, it's true. Yeah, no, you, yeah, yeah, no, it does, yeah.
3:58 Speaker 02 You be careful.
4:01 Speaker 02 You'll be finished in this bit.
4:04 Speaker 03 Come on.
4:04 Speaker 02 No, like, I know I'm joking and stuff, but you know, like, um, obviously like the last sort of 10 years or so, there has been like lots of like people going, do you know what? Like blokes in powers of position.
4:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:16 Speaker 02 Let's call them out. Let's, let's start calling them out for being dickheads, right?
4:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:19 Speaker 02 And I'm, I'm up for it. Like, I'm where, I'm, yeah, sure. If you're, if you're, like, if you're a dickhead, you're a dickhead.
4:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:26 Speaker 02 But then I also think, I've never been in a position of power.
4:29 Speaker 03 Yeah. So you feel that you shouldn't be called out because you haven't done the power bit?
4:33 Speaker 02 I don't have the power bit.
4:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:35 Speaker 02 Like, I made a joke then to Lily May, but I genuinely don't have any power.
4:38 Speaker 03 No.
4:39 Speaker 02 I've got no...
4:40 Speaker 03 No.
4:40 Speaker 02 I've never been in charge of anything.
4:42 Speaker 03 No.
4:42 Speaker 02 And long may that continue.
4:43 Speaker 03 I never want to be in charge of anything.
4:46 Speaker 02 Imagine me in charge of stuff. Imagine me calling shots.
4:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:49 Speaker 02 Imagine me if I had the power to sort of, uh, fire people or something like that.
4:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:54 Speaker 02 What would I do with it?
4:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:56 Speaker 02 I wouldn't use it willy-nilly. I'd do the opposite. We'd probably have a, we'd probably end up, no offence Lily May, but some idiot working for us. And, uh... And I'd be too scared. I'd be like, oh no, that'd be awkward, wouldn't it?
5:10 Speaker 03 I couldn't fire anyone.
5:10 Speaker 02 How awkward would that be?
5:12 Speaker 03 Firing someone? You fucking joking? I had to live a thousand lifetimes for us ready to fire someone. Firing someone?
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5:58 Speaker 02 Hmm.
5:59 Speaker 03 Now...
5:59 Speaker 02 Let's get fucked up!
6:04 Speaker 02 How are you, Joe?
6:05 Speaker 03 I am very well, thank you very much. Um, and I was remembering something I wanted to mention last week and didn't get the chance to. But, and do you, again, I don't know whether you're comfortable with this, do you remember when we... Do you remember when we auditioned for War Horse together in that hotel room? That was unbelievable. That was unbelievable. What do you remember? That was, that was incredible.
6:31 Speaker 02 I'm not.
6:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wasn't that extraordinary?
6:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:36 Speaker 02 No, see, and now I know why you've said I don't know whether you're comfortable with it all that.
6:41 Speaker 03 Cause it was.
6:41 Speaker 02 Because I did something really embarrassing.
6:43 Speaker 03 We did a fucking terrible job. Like, it was.
6:45 Speaker 02 Oh, no, the pair of us.
6:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:47 Speaker 02 So we were making, when was this? We were making the TV show.
6:50 Speaker 03 We were making the second series of The Inbetweeners.
6:51 Speaker 02 The second series of The Inbetweeners.
6:52 Speaker 03 And.
6:53 Speaker 02 So during making The Inbetweeners, me and Joe, we were making the show during the day and then all four of us would usually be in a hotel or something like that in the evening. So we were always with each other.
7:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:05 Speaker 02 Work, eating together. And then also, um, me and Joe had both got an email from our agents, our different agents, saying, there's this audition that's come through. It's for War Horse, the film.
7:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:20 Speaker 02 Um, could you, and we were both like, oh God, yeah, I've just got that as well.
7:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:25 Speaker 02 All right, well, we'll, we'll, we'll. We had to film. And this was before you had your phone and you could just fucking film something on a phone.
7:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
7:33 Speaker 02 Did we ask production for a camera?
7:35 Speaker 03 We must have got a camera from production or something. But what, uh, what, so what I remember is, we, first of all, we went.
7:40 Speaker 02 Oh, no, this is embarrassing.
7:43 Speaker 03 I remember that first of all, we went, like, we went to the bar and we had like.
7:48 Speaker 02 Yeah, you've got to have a.
7:51 Speaker 02 We had to have a couple of drinks.
7:52 Speaker 03 We had a few drinks. Oh God, it was so bad. So we went in, I was like, oh, bloody hell. And in my mind, I was like, this is so bad, but like, I didn't think it was that good a project. I thought it was like a horse.
8:12 Speaker 02 Boring, man.
8:12 Speaker 03 I was always like, oh, come on.
8:14 Speaker 02 I know about the play and stuff.
8:15 Speaker 03 It reminded me, honestly, because I was like, it's based on a children's book. Like, give me a break. But it was Steven Spielberg. It was just like.
8:23 Speaker 02 It was a.
8:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:24 Speaker 02 It was a Spielberg film.
8:25 Speaker 03 It was, it was like, also, I mean, that is, I haven't been nowhere near anything like that since then. So I should have taken it more, should have taken it more seriously. And, um.
8:35 Speaker 02 So we're a bit drunk.
8:36 Speaker 03 So, so, so we're drunk. Um, we, um.
8:40 Speaker 02 I completely forgot about this, man.
8:42 Speaker 03 And what we did was, we, I can't remember who went first. I think you, it was funny, I, I, I still wasn't even really completely au fait with the idea of self-taping. So I remember I.
8:56 Speaker 02 That was, that was odd. Yeah, yeah, that was a bit odd.
8:58 Speaker 03 So I remember I did it and I was like, I wasn't that happy with that. Oh, never mind. Well, it's gone now.
9:05 Speaker 02 That's it.
9:06 Speaker 03 Like, you, you went, do you want to do it again? And I went, nah, I'll leave it. I was like, I just wanted, because I honestly, in my head, I was like, well, that's honest. I mean, that's, that's what I'm like. Like, what point doing it again? A weird attitude, a weird attitude for self-taping without.
9:19 Speaker 02 We've already established that your first, the first thing you do is always your best.
9:24 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, exactly.
9:25 Speaker 02 We've, we've.
9:25 Speaker 03 In a way, I was right.
9:26 Speaker 02 Whether it's theme songs.
9:30 Speaker 02 It will always be the best.
9:31 Speaker 03 I dare say, if I had done 200 takes.
9:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
9:34 Speaker 03 It would not be the case that I would have gone on to be in Warhorse. And then I remember, then I remember you auditioning.
9:42 Speaker 02 Do you remember what I did?
9:43 Speaker 03 I do.
9:45 Speaker 02 Yeah. Right, listen, in my defence.
9:49 Speaker 03 You made, you made a trench.
9:53 Speaker 03 You said, I'll be in a trench and the side of, you were crouched down on the floor of the hotel room. And you were like, at the end of my audition, I'm gonna go over the top? And you said, I knew, you crawled onto the bed. And what was funny is you wanted to leave shot, but I kept following you with the camera. And you were like, well, don't follow me, because now I haven't got any lines left. And now you're just filming me crawling across a bed.
10:14 Speaker 02 I, I thought it'd be a really good idea if I was sat up against the bottom of, of the bed.
10:20 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
10:21 Speaker 02 And I was like.
10:22 Speaker 03 And they were like, bullets coming over, yeah, yeah.
10:24 Speaker 02 And then at the end, I'm gonna crawl over the bed as if I'm going over the top.
10:28 Speaker 03 Oh, God. Also, like, I don't, I didn't, I'm not sure what it said in the script, like, go over the top. You were just like.
10:34 Speaker 02 Listen, man, I was so drunk.
10:37 Speaker 03 Because we were World War One. We're like, in World War One, every conversation ended with them going, let's go over the top.
10:42 Speaker 02 All right, there's the whistle. Anyway, see you later.
10:46 Speaker 03 Like, and over the top we go. Like, every, every 12 minutes, over the top. Uh, anyway, I do remember that. How do you remember that? That was, no, I just remembered it because we were talking about the Domino's thing where we got the Domino's. Yeah.
11:00 Speaker 02 That used to be a bit of a tradition.
11:02 Speaker 03 It was the chum of bloody hell.
11:04 Speaker 02 There was always football on whenever we, whenever we were making the in-betweeners. It was always like Champions League or something like that.
11:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:09 Speaker 02 And we'd all, uh, decide to meet in one of our rooms and we'd all, we'd all order a pizza and just sit on a bed like cross-legged and eat pizza together.
11:17 Speaker 03 It was great. It was, you know.
11:18 Speaker 02 I do remember Blake used to get annoyed whenever I'd have Domino's, uh, because, well, you'd all, you all would. I don't know. I've just singled out Blake, but Blake, Blake was the most vocal about it.
11:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:30 Speaker 02 Um, yeah, he did, he did sort of play havoc with me, with me belly, the old.
11:35 Speaker 03 Oh, oh, oh God. I mean, the set sometimes was just like, cause to be fair, I think, I feel like you were the worst. I mean, but like, there were times all, all through the day, the next day it'd be like.
11:47 Speaker 03 And like, you couldn't really come on like, crew would come onto the set and be like.
11:52 Speaker 02 When we were in the.
11:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, we know. Yeah, we know. It's impossible.
11:55 Speaker 02 Common room, which was a great big massive room.
11:57 Speaker 03 Fuckin' hell.
11:58 Speaker 02 And there was people at the other side of the room going, Jesus.
12:01 Speaker 03 Yeah. People like the pool table.
12:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:04 Speaker 03 Back of shot.
12:04 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:05 Speaker 03 They were getting it.
12:07 Speaker 02 But Blake used to go like, oh no, you haven't had the Domino's, have you?
12:11 Speaker 03 Oh.
12:11 Speaker 02 I remember Blake used to say that to me. I go, yeah, I did, I did get a Domino's. My God, I had to order the Domino's last night. Um.
12:19 Speaker 03 Oh God.
12:20 Speaker 02 And then obviously in the car, I used to.
12:22 Speaker 03 The car.
12:22 Speaker 02 Quite bad in the car, wasn't I?
12:23 Speaker 03 The car was.
12:24 Speaker 02 But I do think that that, those little things do end up being in the show sometimes. Cause I think that's where that, cause there's a scene with us and Hannah in the car.
12:34 Speaker 03 Oh yeah.
12:34 Speaker 02 And Blake, Neil is farting.
12:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:38 Speaker 02 And he's going, oh, sorry. There's the hash brown. Sorry. It's the McDonald's breakfast at this one.
12:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:42 Speaker 02 And I think that's where that stuff comes from.
12:44 Speaker 03 I think, yeah, I think stuff found its way.
12:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:47 Speaker 03 There's a very thin membrane between things that were just said and the script of the in-betweeners.
12:51 Speaker 02 Oh man.
12:52 Speaker 03 Um, but yeah, no, I, I am, anyway, I just thought you'd enjoy that after our, our Bond audition.
12:58 Speaker 03 So we've got a, we've got a track record.
13:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, man. So like.
13:04 Speaker 02 I've never, a question that gets posed to me quite a lot.
13:08 Speaker 03 Go on.
13:08 Speaker 02 Is like, why, like, The Inbetweeners was really good and stuff, like, I thought you would have done more off the back of that.
13:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
13:16 Speaker 02 Maybe I might start, I might find that audition I did for the Steven Spielberg film War Horse.
13:22 Speaker 03 Just have it on you.
13:23 Speaker 02 And just go, this is why, this is why I never.
13:26 Speaker 03 Okay, alright, that's why not.
13:31 Speaker 02 We shouldn't have had a few drinks before we did that.
13:33 Speaker 03 It was pretty, I mean, it was amazing how, like, casually, in my mind.
13:40 Speaker 02 I think, listen, I know you and you know me.
13:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:43 Speaker 02 We got an audition for a Spielberg film.
13:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:45 Speaker 02 There was no way the pair of us were gonna take that seriously.
13:48 Speaker 03 No, of course not, we're not gonna be the Spielberg, I mean, it's.
13:51 Speaker 02 Why would, I'm not gonna, yeah.
13:53 Speaker 03 What?
13:54 Speaker 02 The world's got, something wrong with the world if me and Joe turn up in a Spielberg film.
13:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, yeah, yeah. No, I, no, I agree, it's, it's, they'd have to have just run out of.
14:07 Speaker 02 If they, yeah, if they've run out of actors.
14:09 Speaker 03 It had to have been some weird incident where, like, Theo James and James Norton were all on the same aeroplane.
14:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:18 Speaker 03 With, who else would be on there? I don't know, other, you know.
14:22 Speaker 02 The other Theo, what's his name, the Theo Barkham?
14:25 Speaker 03 Theo Bartlett Biggs?
14:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:27 Speaker 03 But he's, he's more comedy as well, isn't he? I mean.
14:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, but even he's just fucking, he's.
14:32 Speaker 03 He'd be in the army though, wouldn't he? I don't think, we, we just don't look like we're in the army, do you? If we're in the army, you're just, that's a disaster.
14:38 Speaker 02 We had another thing.
14:38 Speaker 03 In any sense, in any sense.
14:40 Speaker 02 Just, we had, he played Richard.
14:43 Speaker 03 Oh, he played Richard, yeah.
14:43 Speaker 02 In The Inbetweeners film.
14:44 Speaker 03 That's right.
14:45 Speaker 02 Um, who was a guy that came up to us and he was just like, oh, I've just turned up, can I use your shower?
14:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:52 Speaker 02 Which, by the way, was the actual thing that happened to my mates, and I told that to Ian and Dana.
14:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:57 Speaker 02 They were like, my mates went to Ibiza, some bloke came up to them and was just like, just fucking jumped on a plane.
15:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:05 Speaker 02 Two hours ago, now I'm here, fucking mental, innit? Anyway, do you reckon I could stay with you? And then we're obviously like, no, no, go away.
15:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, no, that is, yeah, that is true, isn't it? Yeah, no accommodation.
15:19 Speaker 02 But he's gonna, he'll be in a Spielberg film, no problem.
15:22 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, we're not.
15:24 Speaker 02 We're not Spielberg material, are we?
15:27 Speaker 03 I don't think we are.
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16:11 Speaker 02 It is time for a fact. We should mention that it's the night before bonfire night.
16:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
16:19 Speaker 02 When is that date? I always forget.
16:21 Speaker 03 Uh.
16:24 Speaker 02 I nearly got you. I thought you were about to say the rhyme.
16:27 Speaker 03 Yes. Yeah, well, it's bonfire night eve.
16:32 Speaker 02 Yes.
16:33 Speaker 03 And.
16:34 Speaker 02 It's bonfire night tomorrow. So we were gonna do facts about, um, what, Guy Fawkes? Bonfire night? Guy Fawkes? Um, what was that called? The Parliament?
16:46 Speaker 03 Guy Fawkes and some other conspirators.
16:49 Speaker 02 Some rabble rousers.
16:51 Speaker 03 Well.
16:51 Speaker 02 Some people that just should stay in their lane.
16:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
16:55 Speaker 02 As far as I'm concerned.
16:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, they tried to blow up the Houses of Parliament.
16:58 Speaker 02 Silly boys is what I'd call them.
17:00 Speaker 03 A few silly boys, uh, went out and, um, you know, they had a few beers and they thought.
17:06 Speaker 02 Well, I'm glad you touched on that.
17:08 Speaker 03 Oh, okay, right, okay.
17:09 Speaker 02 You've brought me nicely on to my fact.
17:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:11 Speaker 02 So in May 1604.
17:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:14 Speaker 02 Robert Catesby.
17:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:17 Speaker 02 The plot's ringleader, who I didn't, I don't know his name. Do you know what? I know like the other names more than Robert Catesby. Met with Guy Fawkes, Thomas Wintour, Thomas Percy, that's one I always remember for some reason, John Wright and Christopher Wright, at the Duck and Drake Inn. It was in a private room where they swore an oath of secrecy and began to plan the now infamous gunpowder plot. Their attempt to blow up the Houses of Parliament. Just blow it up.
17:48 Speaker 02 It's quite a simple plot, isn't it? I feel like there's, listen, right, I feel like there's some middle ground there. Yes. If you're like, do you know what, right, I'm not happy with our government. Yeah. Uh, da da da da da, blow it up. Yeah. Like, I still think there's like still a couple of steps you can go before, maybe they felt not, maybe they felt they couldn't. They didn't try and take power democratically. Um, however, uh, so the duck and, the duck and Drake itself, which I believe was on the strand. I read it, I didn't write it down. I think it was on the strand. Yeah. In London. Uh, it no longer exists, but is remembered in history as the place where one of England's most famous conspiracies was hatched. And I just wanted to do a little fact about beer.
18:34 Speaker 02 Oh, okay, lovely. Because, uh, beer is so culturally important. I totally agree. And, uh, public houses and things like that, they've sort of shaped civilization. Absolutely. Um, but I just wanted to have a, quickly talk to you about the history of beer. Please do. Beer is one of the oldest prepared beverages in human history, dating back over 5,000 years, probably longer. Probably longer, okay. The earliest known recipe for beer was found on a Sumerian clay tablet from around 3,900 B.C., written in cuneiform. Yep. Is that those little etches?
19:18 Speaker 02 I think it's the etches, yeah, so marks on a tablet. Um, it's actually a hymn to Nyn-Kazi, the Sumerian goddess of brewing. So that is how. Yeah, yeah. Important beer was to civilization. They would have a song, a hymn, that basically listed the ingredients. Yeah. Of beer. Yeah. That you would sing to the goddess of beer, basically. Um, the Sumerians made their beer from barley bread, which they fermented in water, and it was often drunk through straws to avoid the floating grain residue. And that's another thing as well. So what we would say, what we would call a beer today is almost completely different, um, to what it was.
20:04 Speaker 02 Thousands of years ago, it was very thick.
20:06 Speaker 03 Yes, yes.
20:07 Speaker 02 And it was also, it was almost classed as a, almost like a type of bread. So if monks would fast, for example, and stuff like that, they could still drink beer.
20:17 Speaker 03 Right.
20:18 Speaker 02 They would class that as, as almost like a meal.
20:20 Speaker 03 And perhaps.
20:21 Speaker 02 Like sort of huile.
20:22 Speaker 03 Yes, yes, yes, yes.
20:25 Speaker 02 Like a sort of medieval huile.
20:27 Speaker 03 It was sort of huile, wasn't it? Yes, that's right, yes. Um, and I probably quite low alcohol as well, I imagine.
20:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:35 Speaker 03 Cause it was just kind of, um, cause I know, for example, also the, the English army marched on beer.
20:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, well, you had your IPA, didn't you?
20:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:44 Speaker 02 Um, which lasted longer and would last all the way to India.
20:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:48 Speaker 02 It would go with the East India Company and it wouldn't go off or anything like that. But also in the, in the days where we didn't have, I'm gonna say filtration.
20:58 Speaker 03 No, yeah, totally, yeah.
20:59 Speaker 02 I don't know what I'm talking about, but clean water.
21:01 Speaker 03 Completely. I had a friend at university who said that you could, it's probably not true, but he said you could trace all the differences between like eastern civilization and western civilization to the fact that, uh, one group of people sterilized their water by boiling it. And another group of people sterilized their water by fermenting it.
21:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, but, yeah, alcohol kills the bacteria and stuff.
21:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:22 Speaker 02 Um, which also, another personal favorite character in history of mine is a guy called John Snow, who I think I've already spoken about. Um, he was very much involved in the cholera epidemic.
21:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:36 Speaker 02 And he, uh, uh, but during those times, which is obviously much more recent, we're going back maybe 200 years now. Beer was still so important, um, because water was just so dirty and stuff like that. People, people, people would drink beer instead of water.
21:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:51 Speaker 02 That would be their, their liquid. Um, but like you say, it wouldn't be like, it wouldn't be some stellar unfiltered five percent.
21:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
22:00 Speaker 02 It would be.
22:00 Speaker 03 It's not export strength.
22:01 Speaker 02 It would be.
22:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
22:02 Speaker 02 Like a shandy back sort of strength of alcohol, but it would be enough where you wouldn't get pissed. You could still, you know, ride a horse or whatever, um, but it would, but it would, uh.
22:12 Speaker 03 They're taking all that away now, aren't they?
22:14 Speaker 02 I know, yeah. They would kill, they would kill the bacteria.
22:19 Speaker 02 So yeah, I just wanted to give you a few facts about beer.
22:23 Speaker 03 Well, I think that's, I think that's.
22:24 Speaker 02 Do you like that, how I went from Guy Fawkes?
22:26 Speaker 03 I love that. I love that. And, and I like the idea of this private room that they had as well. It was posh.
22:32 Speaker 02 Little back room.
22:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, poshos. Little back room. And that's where they.
22:37 Speaker 02 Hatched it. That's where they hatched it.
22:39 Speaker 03 They hatched it. The plot. It's a shame that it's not there anymore. I think our sense that we need to kind of look after old buildings is quite recent, I think. I think sort of until fairly recently, it was like, we'll just get rid of it.
22:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:55 Speaker 03 And I think even as late as like the 1960s, like, I think there was a sense of like, well, it's old, like fusty old. Like, I don't know if I've said this before, but like, my, my granddad was an architect and he worked for Courage, the brewers.
23:10 Speaker 02 Right.
23:10 Speaker 03 And so he used to design pubs. And I always thought it was quite a romantic idea, the idea of him sort of designing these, the interiors of these pubs. My dad said what he was actually doing, because it was like the 1960s. He was basically going around taking out all this lovely old, like Victorian panelling.
23:28 Speaker 02 Right.
23:28 Speaker 03 And putting in like Formica, like.
23:32 Speaker 02 Asbestos.
23:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, asbestos, yeah. But in a way, I think I speak to the fact that I do think the 60s was a more optimistic time. They were like, well, we're moving on. We've got better stuff. It's better. Whereas now we're very nostalgic because we're like, well, the future's going to be fucking terrible. So let's try and hold on to as much old wood as we can. And I think that's basically right. So.
23:48 Speaker 02 I don't want to, I don't want to go down that road, but that is, that's the famous sort of thing about the end of civilisation.
23:54 Speaker 03 Let's not go down there. But another thing they did, another thing about like lack of nostalgia. My dad told me almost in a kind of like shamefaced way that like in the 60s, they'd have parties where they'd smash up pianos. They'd get an old Victorian piano and they'd smash it. And it's like, I'm sorry, I may have said this before, but like, and now it's like, God, that's just such vandalism. But part of it is like, well, we're moving on. We've got better stuff. We don't need all this old shit.
24:15 Speaker 02 Well, that's it. Because like you'd have like a, you'd have like a 1960s film, wouldn't you? And it'd be like about people colonising Mars or something like that. It'd be set in 1997.
24:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, no, we haven't.
24:26 Speaker 02 And they'd just be like, well, that's what we're going to be. We're going to be in Mars in a second.
24:29 Speaker 03 I know, I know. We've, yeah, some of it's happened and some of it hasn't. And. Yeah.
24:35 Speaker 02 But it was just, it was just a time of optimism, wasn't it?
24:38 Speaker 03 It was a time of optimism.
24:38 Speaker 02 Whereas now we're a time of, oh god, wasn't it better? Even when we were growing up, even the nineties.
24:43 Speaker 03 Still quite optimistic.
24:44 Speaker 02 It was like, oh god, I'd like, I'd like it to be the nineties.
24:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:48 Speaker 02 My kids say to me, things like, god, I bet it was great being around, which doesn't make me feel really fucking old.
24:54 Speaker 03 Oh god, I know, yeah.
24:55 Speaker 02 My kids are like.
24:56 Speaker 03 What was it like? What was it like?
24:57 Speaker 02 Ah, I bet it was so much fun.
24:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:59 Speaker 02 Euro ninety six and all that.
25:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's brilliant.
25:02 Speaker 03 I know.
25:03 Speaker 02 To sum up, my, um, my fact is, um, that beer is the oldest prepared, one of the oldest prepared beverages in human history.
25:12 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:12 Speaker 02 We know is over five thousand years, but, but without sort of empirical evidence or whatever.
25:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:19 Speaker 02 We, like, we can assume it goes, went on for a lot longer. Right, let's move on to fact check. You send in something that feels like a fact that you'd like us to either confirm or poo poo. Uh, so we'll be reading a, a fact or a question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. And then we're going to have a good old think during the break and come back to let you know how true it feels to us. Um, Joe, have you got the fact?
25:44 Speaker 03 Okay, so this week's fact check comes from Paddy.
25:47 Speaker 02 Paddy Carr?
25:48 Speaker 03 It's, it's Paddy Carr.
25:50 Speaker 02 Is it Paddy Carr? Our friend Paddy Carr?
25:51 Speaker 03 It's our friend Paddy Carr. He said, the average glass of water that you drink out of the tap has already passed through about seven people before you.
26:02 Speaker 02 Right, I'm ready to, uh, let's take a little break because I'm ready to jump on this straight away. We'll be back after these messages.
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27:33 Speaker 02 We are back. Paddy wanted to know whether this following statement is true, and we will decide whether it's true together. "The average glass of water that you drink out of the tap has already passed through about seven people before you." Right, I'm gonna go. True. Well, I'm gonna go if not more.
27:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, I was gonna say, why is it seven?
27:55 Speaker 02 Now, when I was a child.
27:59 Speaker 02 Just gotta stop drinking. Gotta stop drinking. Just getting a problem.
28:08 Speaker 02 We, the fact that I was told was that there is just as much water on the earth as there is now, as there was back in the dinosaurs. The amount of water on planet earth has been constant, right?
28:25 Speaker 03 And.
28:26 Speaker 02 Liquid water, right?
28:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
28:27 Speaker 02 Or just in ice or whatever.
28:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
28:29 Speaker 02 And that, the water that we drink now, has probably passed through dinosaurs.
28:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, of course. So, yeah, so I don't know what, so there's seven people. I don't understand. This seems like a very small number.
28:39 Speaker 02 It would surely be billions.
28:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, why, yes, I agree. I don't know, seven seems like extremely low.
28:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
28:47 Speaker 03 Would, yeah, so, I mean, I, I'm, yeah, I, I, I'm, I'm with you that it's the same water. I believe it's the same water.
28:54 Speaker 02 What do you think about my statement that we're dri- cause that was the joke when I was at school. It was like, oh, you're drinking dinosaur wee.
29:00 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, okay. Well, I, I suppose it's i- in a, in a sense, it's true. I mean, I suppose it's like if you.
29:05 Speaker 02 No, but that's just.
29:05 Speaker 03 And, and, and if you eat, if you eat vegetables, you're, you know, eating, you might as well, oh, you're eating animal shit because it's been fertilised. So, I mean, I guess it's, you know.
29:15 Speaker 02 Now, now we're getting on to, uh.
29:18 Speaker 03 This is philosophy, really.
29:19 Speaker 02 Well, exactly.
29:20 Speaker 03 And, and with you and me, we're always very close to, to philosophy.
29:24 Speaker 02 And the film that I have, I pretty much take all my philosophical thoughts from is, uh, a little film called The Lion King.
29:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:34 Speaker 02 Um, that very, that speech at the beginning of the film.
29:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
29:37 Speaker 02 The antelope eat the grass.
29:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:39 Speaker 02 We eat, we eat the antelope.
29:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:41 Speaker 02 Then we die and our bodies become the grass.
29:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, absolutely.
29:45 Speaker 02 And thus the circle of life.
29:46 Speaker 03 Absolutely.
29:47 Speaker 02 And then I think Rafiki also said some stuff as well at some point.
29:50 Speaker 03 Whereas this is more like a sort of, um,
29:54 Speaker 03 septagon.
29:55 Speaker 02 Go on.
29:56 Speaker 03 Of life.
29:56 Speaker 02 Yeah.
29:57 Speaker 03 It's just got seven.
29:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:59 Speaker 03 It's only seven people involved in this, apparently.
30:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, it goes through seven people.
30:02 Speaker 03 Seven and then.
30:04 Speaker 02 So what are we gonna do? Are we gonna say that, um?
30:06 Speaker 03 Well, I, I, you know, you know what?
30:07 Speaker 02 Paddy's correct, or are we gonna go, do you know what, Paddy, you're not correct. It's even more people.
30:11 Speaker 03 I think we're gonna say, um, thank you, first of all.
30:17 Speaker 02 Of course.
30:17 Speaker 03 Uh, uh, and, um, and but we do think it's higher.
30:21 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:23 Speaker 03 A lot higher.
30:23 Speaker 02 Let me, let me just build on your fact then, Paddy. Um, not only is it passed through seven people, the water that you drink.
30:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
30:32 Speaker 02 Uh, you're actually drinking dinosaur wee.
30:34 Speaker 03 You drink dinosaur wee as well.
30:35 Speaker 02 Yeah. Paddy's drinking, oh, Paddy, you're drinking dinosaur wee.
30:39 Speaker 03 Gross. You've probably got zits as well.
30:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:42 Speaker 03 Oh, yucko. No.
30:45 Speaker 02 Um, so.
30:47 Speaker 03 So.
30:47 Speaker 02 I'm not gonna say it's not a fact, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna say it, it's even more fact.
30:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's even more of a fact.
30:56 Speaker 02 Hmm. Cause sometimes things can be a little fact, can't they?
30:59 Speaker 03 Sometimes things can be a little fact and then they grow out and then you're like. Hello.
31:04 Speaker 02 So on the fact spectrum, I'm gonna say that's, uh, it's, it's 200% fact.
31:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. And it does feel like it's got a little bit cross pollinated along the way with the, um, seven degrees of separation fact. I think that's maybe where, it feels haunted by that fact. You can get to anyone in the world.
31:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
31:24 Speaker 03 For example.
31:25 Speaker 02 Nick Cage.
31:25 Speaker 03 Nick Cage, who's gonna be coming on the podcast as soon as.
31:29 Speaker 02 Have we got Nick Cage?
31:30 Speaker 04 Yeah, we're texting, yeah.
31:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, okay, so, um.
31:33 Speaker 02 Is he confirmed yet, or are we still waiting to hear about?
31:36 Speaker 04 He said he wants to listen to this episode to decide whether he wants to associate.
31:38 Speaker 03 Fine, okay, well, no problem. That's, uh, well, that's a yes then. So we're.
31:44 Speaker 02 Also, when did we start saying Nick Cage?
31:47 Speaker 03 Well, I.
31:49 Speaker 02 I say Nick Cage now, but it was always Nicolas Cage.
31:51 Speaker 03 I say, is it like Saint Nick and Saint Nicola? No, it's not.
31:56 Speaker 02 It's like, um, David, David Ginola.
32:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
32:00 Speaker 02 When, when he first turned up, he was David Ginola.
32:03 Speaker 03 David Ginola, yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:05 Speaker 02 And then that got.
32:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
32:08 Speaker 02 And then Britain sort of went, oh, hang on a minute.
32:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
32:10 Speaker 02 We better start saying David Ginola.
32:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't, I mean, I'd.
32:15 Speaker 02 Is that gonna make it?
32:16 Speaker 04 This is Anthony all over again, isn't it?
32:18 Speaker 03 Oh, okay, right.
32:19 Speaker 04 Are we just gonna just do the presentation to him?
32:22 Speaker 03 We've, we've, look, we've done the fact check and our answer is, it's not true enough.
32:31 Speaker 02 It's.
32:32 Speaker 03 It's true.
32:33 Speaker 02 It, it, it's even more fact.
32:35 Speaker 03 It's even more fact. It's a kind of, um.
32:37 Speaker 02 Than what Paddy has said.
32:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
32:39 Speaker 02 It's so fact.
32:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
32:40 Speaker 02 That it's gone past.
32:41 Speaker 03 It's a bit like saying, there's about seven people living on the planet.
32:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:45 Speaker 03 And we're saying.
32:46 Speaker 02 No, no, no.
32:47 Speaker 03 You need to.
32:48 Speaker 02 There's a bit more.
32:48 Speaker 03 Add a few zeros.
32:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:50 Speaker 03 And then we can talk.
32:52 Speaker 02 So that, for the first time in Fact Up history, we're gonna class that as so fact.
32:57 Speaker 03 So fact.
32:59 Speaker 02 So fact it hurts.
33:01 Speaker 04 Feels like it needs a jingle.
33:03 Speaker 02 Well, that's. You've said that now.
33:07 Speaker 04 Yeah, everyone's.
33:07 Speaker 02 I can imagine what the comments are gonna be. They've already bullied Joe into changing his shoes, now they're gonna start on you to make another jingle.
33:16 Speaker 03 And, um.
33:17 Speaker 02 Um, no, thank you very much for that, um, Paddy, for that fact.
33:21 Speaker 04 Do you want the, um, information that I found, or are you happy with where you're at?
33:27 Speaker 03 We didn't go to Lily May last week, did we? No, we didn't. But maybe. Shall we do it this week? Well, I think we would because I would, I, I, I'm quite, I'm a bit more confident. I already know, I already know that, um, that Paddy is so right. So right. He's so right, it's wrong. He's almost being a little bit modest with the fact. It's like, come on. Go on, Lily May, go, let's, let's hear, hear what you've managed to find.
33:52 Speaker 04 So you guys are correct, which is good. It's so fact. So basically seven to 10 is usually what is spouted as the general form of like how many people it's gone through.
34:03 Speaker 03 Right.
34:03 Speaker 04 But it seems to be a number that's been plucked out just to show that it's recyclable.
34:09 Speaker 03 Yes.
34:09 Speaker 04 So basically, you know, any water you excrete in any way and any water you use does get recycled into other weather or the water streams. And eventually it will all end up basically in pollution. So you guys are correct and it is, it will be more than seven.
34:23 Speaker 03 So fantastic. Great. We got it. We got it. We were, we were right. And I don't think we need to repeat that. Like, that just proves that we're always right. We checked once, we were right. That's it. And that's that. So we can draw a line under that. We won't be going to you again, Lily May, for the rest of the series. So we're gonna carry on. Um, and it's time for my fact. And are you ready to get really fact up with what I've got for you today, James? I am indeed. Okay. So my fact, um, for you is that after, well, in, let's say in light of the attempt to blow up the Houses of Parliament. Gump out a plot. The Gump out a plot.
35:08 Speaker 03 Parliament is still checked once a year for conspirators. Right. By the yeoman of the guard. And they, they go down there. No, I tell you something, right? If you're not watching, if you're not watching these podcasts.
35:26 Speaker 02 The look that Joe gave me when he said yeoman of the guard then.
35:31 Speaker 03 The yeoman of the guard?
35:32 Speaker 02 Yeah.
35:33 Speaker 03 It was a bit of a fruity look.
35:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
35:36 Speaker 03 Because when I think of a yeoman of the guard, I'm imagining a, really a pretty fine looking fellow. I mean, I, I, I, like, he's, I think he's got plumes.
35:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
35:43 Speaker 03 I think he's got the big, yeah, yeah.
35:45 Speaker 02 Sort of like, um, the, the white rabbit in Alice in Wonderland.
35:51 Speaker 03 Yes.
35:51 Speaker 02 What's that thing? It's sort of like a, I can only describe it as a cloth sandwich board.
35:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think, yes, that, yeah, that, yeah, that's right. Yeah, it was, it's a sort of apron. It's a ceremonial apron, I suppose.
36:05 Speaker 02 Like a weird sort of poncho that doesn't go over the arms.
36:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
36:09 Speaker 02 Do they wear that sort of thing?
36:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, it is that kind of thing. Yeah, they, they look like a playing card, basically.
36:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
36:13 Speaker 03 And, um, they've, and they've, yeah, yeah. Or the, or, um, or like the, um, well, like the Swiss guard in, in the Vatican. So these yeoman of the guard. Um, so what I love is, is the, um, they go down, they have a look around with lanterns. And just because obviously it was, Parliament nearly got blown up. So obviously that can't happen again. So to make sure it won't, they check once a year.
36:34 Speaker 02 Once a year.
36:35 Speaker 03 Once a year. So that's good. So that means it's like airports, uh, will screen your baggage once a year, just to check.
36:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
36:42 Speaker 03 And, uh, obviously, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's purely ceremonial now.
36:46 Speaker 02 What, do they do it on bonfire night?
36:49 Speaker 03 No, they do it. No, they don't. They do it before the state opening of Parliament. So I guess maybe because that's when the most people are going to be there.
36:57 Speaker 02 Also, they're not dressed like Jeremy Renner in the Hurt Locker.
36:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:00 Speaker 02 With those big sort of, um, blast suits.
37:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:04 Speaker 02 They're just, they're dressed as yeoman.
37:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, they're not, yes, they, yeah, no, yes, exactly.
37:09 Speaker 02 So what are they gonna do? My question is, what will they do if they do find a bomb?
37:13 Speaker 03 They'll say, they'll say, excuse me.
37:16 Speaker 02 And unless it is, um, kegs of powder.
37:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. And I like the idea of the lanterns as well. They're like, oh, hello. If they forget the lanterns, they're like, oh, we forgot the lanterns.
37:28 Speaker 02 That's good.
37:29 Speaker 03 So I use the torch on my phone? No, lanterns or nothing.
37:32 Speaker 02 I like that, Joe. That's a good fact.
37:33 Speaker 03 Thank you very much.
37:34 Speaker 02 Ah, it's goo, it's goo, good, good time to be alive.
37:38 Speaker 03 It's a good time to be alive.
37:42 Speaker 02 Shall we call it a day there, Joe?
37:43 Speaker 03 Yep.
37:44 Speaker 02 That was a really good fact.
37:45 Speaker 03 Thank you.
37:45 Speaker 02 What have we learned today? We've learned that beer is millennia old.
37:50 Speaker 03 Yep.
37:51 Speaker 02 And we also learned that, what are they called?
37:56 Speaker 03 The Yeoman of the Guard.
37:57 Speaker 02 The Yeoman of the Guard, once a year. Just go around Parliament, just to check no one's trying to blow it up. And that's good facts.
38:04 Speaker 03 We hope you've learned something, or had a nice time. Doesn't necessarily need to have been both.
38:08 Speaker 02 No.
38:09 Speaker 03 We'll be back next week, armed with more facts chats and Guy Fawkes blasts.
38:14 Speaker 02 See, that only works in your accent.
38:16 Speaker 03 It's alright.
38:17 Speaker 04 Blasts.
38:18 Speaker 03 Blasts.
38:18 Speaker 02 It doesn't work in our accent.
38:20 Speaker 03 Okay, well, we'll be back next week.
38:22 Speaker 02 Facts, chats and Guy Fawkes blasts.
38:23 Speaker 03 With more farks chats and Guy Fawkes blasts. For Joe and James Farked Up.
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