Pod Insights Joe and James Fact Up Soorrrryyyyy!! About this episode This week, Joe Thomas and James Buckley make their official audition for James Bond in a bid to rival their ex Inbetweeners co-star Theo James, we find out what happened when Joe and James went for dinner with comedy hero Stephen Merchant and the boys get Fact Up about 'Tubes'.
Plus they’ll be deciding on whether the colour or the fruit 'orange' came first in 'Fact Check' and launch a brand new campaign to change the London Underground.
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1:03 Speaker 02 I've got like this little list of what I call in-betweeners memories. This one isn't really an in-betweeners memory, but it's just, I thought it would be fun to talk about the time we went for dinner with Stephen Merchant.
1:13 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah. And I think we were quite weird, weren't we?
1:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:16 Speaker 04 That didn't tell me.
1:20 Speaker 03 Oh, God.
1:21 Speaker 02 It's week two.
1:22 Speaker 03 Oh, come on, look. I am so close to completely falling apart mentally.
1:39 Speaker 02 Hey, Joe.
1:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:41 Speaker 02 We're sat in a podcast studio, right?
1:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, man.
1:43 Speaker 02 We've got microphones in front of us.
1:45 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:45 Speaker 02 And there's some cameras there.
1:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:47 Speaker 02 Fancy doing a podcast?
1:48 Speaker 03 Yes, please.
1:49 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:50 Speaker 03 Let's do a podcast.
1:50 Speaker 02 Well, welcome to Joe and James Fact Up.
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2:15 Speaker 03 Yep.
2:16 Speaker 02 In the show, you're not going to want to miss that at all.
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2:42 Speaker 03 Yeah. And I should say the email address is hello at joe and james pod.com.
2:45 Speaker 02 Oh, what did I say?
2:46 Speaker 03 Podcast.
2:47 Speaker 02 Oh, no, that's a bit of important information.
2:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, well, it's, you know, maybe it.
2:52 Speaker 02 Okay, I'll just say, don't email hello at joe and james podcast.com. Do email hello at joe and james pod.com.
3:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:03 Speaker 02 I feel like that's made it more complicated.
3:05 Speaker 03 It was, I'm, I'm quite confused now. Send it to both and, um.
3:10 Speaker 02 In fact.
3:10 Speaker 03 And BCC it to, to my dad.
3:15 Speaker 02 BCC it to [email protected] . Right, let's get fact up, shall we?
3:23 Speaker 03 Let's get fact up.
3:24 Speaker 02 I've got a little beer here. I'm ready to get fact up.
3:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:26 Speaker 02 How are you, Joe?
3:27 Speaker 03 I'm fine, thanks. Yeah, I've, um, I've got a little coffee here.
3:31 Speaker 02 Gone for the coffee.
3:32 Speaker 03 I'm in a coffee. Yeah, I can already tell it's a mistake.
3:34 Speaker 02 I've gone for the beer.
3:35 Speaker 03 Uh huh.
3:36 Speaker 02 I've gone for the beer. Sorry, I was late to the studio, by the way.
3:39 Speaker 03 I.
3:40 Speaker 02 So I was just so busy. You know what my life's like.
3:42 Speaker 03 Yeah. What were you doing? Just doing some charity work or something?
3:45 Speaker 02 Dropping off my Rolex to get fixed, so.
3:48 Speaker 03 Awful.
3:48 Speaker 02 But we all know, we've all been there. We all know what that's like, don't we?
3:51 Speaker 03 I know. It's good. It's something everyone can relate to.
3:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly. Me, Harry and Meghan, we're just dropping off our Rolexes to, because we're, we're just, we're just men of the people.
4:00 Speaker 03 Yeah. And it's hard, isn't it? Because you've got to find, yeah, you've got to find a good specialist, I suppose.
4:04 Speaker 02 You do. You can't muck about with a Rolex. Hey, um.
4:08 Speaker 03 It's a real, um, it's a real sacrifice you make when you get a Rolex, isn't it?
4:12 Speaker 02 It is. To be fair, I've only got one nice watch and that's it. Like, I'm not like a watch guy. However.
4:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:19 Speaker 02 I'm not a watch guy. I'm a Bond guy.
4:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:22 Speaker 02 I'm a Bond nerd.
4:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:24 Speaker 02 And the watch that Sean Connery wears as James Bond is a Rolex Submariner. And that's why I bought that one. A no date. Rolex Submariner, and that's why I bought that watch.
4:35 Speaker 03 No date, as in it doesn't tell you the date?
4:37 Speaker 02 It doesn't, it doesn't even tell you the date, Joe. So it was,
4:40 Speaker 03 Is that a feature?
4:41 Speaker 02 It gave me less information than my gold Casio, which I don't think was real gold because it cost me 30 quid from Topshop.
4:51 Speaker 02 It gave, it, it worked, it didn't work as well as that one, but I liked feeling like Bond. That was it.
4:59 Speaker 03 Is the idea that if you're a Submariner,
5:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:05 Speaker 03 You don't really need to know what day it is? Or is it my?
5:09 Speaker 02 No, because you can get a date, you can get a date.
5:11 Speaker 03 You just didn't, yeah.
5:12 Speaker 02 But I wanted the.
5:13 Speaker 03 Do you want to know the date? No. But do you want to know the time? Yes.
5:16 Speaker 02 That was it. No.
5:17 Speaker 03 What an odd combo.
5:19 Speaker 02 They just, I just.
5:19 Speaker 03 I need to know the time, but not the date.
5:21 Speaker 02 I just, I just wanted to feel like Bond.
5:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:25 Speaker 02 That was it. That was all, that was all I wanted to do, which is really tragic and they're really expensive, but, but I think we've discovered I'm not Bond.
5:32 Speaker 03 Would.
5:33 Speaker 02 I'm not Theo, I'm not Theo James.
5:35 Speaker 03 Well, I was gonna say, we did talk about Theo James last week and we heard.
5:40 Speaker 02 They might be true or false.
5:41 Speaker 03 James from somewhere, possibly a dream, me from James, that Theo James had got a Bond audition. That now is locked in.
5:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:49 Speaker 03 As fact. And it annoyed us because we're, we're jealous and because he's got too many things going. We agree. He shouldn't be allowed to be handsome.
6:01 Speaker 02 Absolutely. We touched on that.
6:02 Speaker 03 And nice and funny. That was the real.
6:04 Speaker 02 We touched on that last week and talented. He's a good actor as well.
6:07 Speaker 03 And he's good actor as well. Yeah. And, and talented, of course, of course.
6:10 Speaker 02 Do you know what, Ryan? I bet he's good at football.
6:13 Speaker 03 I bet he is.
6:14 Speaker 02 I bet he's good at football as well.
6:15 Speaker 03 It seems like he's got loads of time on the ball. Do you know what I mean? That's always the thing that I think.
6:19 Speaker 02 I don't get enough time. I don't.
6:22 Speaker 03 I don't get any time on the pitch. It's now got to the point where I can tell that people who I used to turn up for when they're a man short, now I sometimes offer myself and they're like, yeah, yeah. Just, just waiting on a couple of those. But yeah, maybe definitely. Yeah.
6:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, maybe definitely.
6:36 Speaker 03 Yeah. I mean, it's like, and this is just like five-a-side teams.
6:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:39 Speaker 03 I've, I'm now getting to the point where I'm turned down for, for a man's five-a-side team in London.
6:44 Speaker 02 Yeah. And you're going.
6:45 Speaker 03 They'll take anyone. They'll take a duck or something, but like they won't, they won't take me.
6:49 Speaker 02 And you're standing there on the sidelines going.
6:51 Speaker 03 I go, I still go. Yeah.
6:52 Speaker 02 You haven't got enough players on the pitch. Oh, yeah. No, don't.
6:54 Speaker 03 And I try and get on, I try and come on.
6:56 Speaker 02 They go, no.
6:57 Speaker 03 And then I get, get him on and they call the police.
7:01 Speaker 03 And I'm naked. And I've.
7:07 Speaker 03 You know, and I've, and I've just written on my chest, please.
7:10 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:12 Speaker 02 Well, this is an opportunity for us, right?
7:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:14 Speaker 02 Where I thought that maybe.
7:15 Speaker 03 Okay.
7:16 Speaker 02 Maybe we could do a little Bond audition right now.
7:19 Speaker 03 Good idea.
7:20 Speaker 02 Maybe just a line or two.
7:21 Speaker 03 Just a line or two.
7:22 Speaker 02 Just down the camera or something where we can.
7:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
7:26 Speaker 02 Just throw our hat in the ring.
7:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:28 Speaker 02 We've not been considered yet for Bond, have we, the pair of us?
7:31 Speaker 03 No, and it's because they've got a very, very cliched idea.
7:35 Speaker 02 Absolutely.
7:36 Speaker 03 Of what like a Secret Service agent should be.
7:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:38 Speaker 03 Oh, it needs to be somebody who doesn't panic.
7:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, whereas really, if you did, you know, intelligence, counterintelligence and all that sort of stuff, they're little nerds.
7:48 Speaker 03 They're little nerds.
7:49 Speaker 02 So if you.
7:50 Speaker 03 They are little nerds.
7:51 Speaker 02 If you wanted to make Bond gritty and realistic, which I think is like.
7:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:55 Speaker 02 You know, because we don't want like a sexist Bond anymore and we don't.
7:58 Speaker 03 No, no, no.
7:58 Speaker 02 We need him realistic, a Bond for now, a Bond for this day and age.
8:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
8:03 Speaker 02 Who's a little computer nerd?
8:05 Speaker 03 I mean, I, I completely agree. And I think a Bond is not afraid to fail.
8:11 Speaker 02 Hmm.
8:11 Speaker 03 As well, that's what I'd, you know, people would be like, I could see him, you know, really fucking it up.
8:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:19 Speaker 03 And actually ending up just needing a lot of therapy.
8:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:23 Speaker 03 But I think that that would be something that modern men could actually, you know, benefit from. You know, we don't have to be.
8:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:31 Speaker 03 You don't have to be good at anything.
8:33 Speaker 02 No, of course.
8:34 Speaker 03 Yeah. So would, yeah.
8:35 Speaker 02 Do you reckon I could just do my little, my Bond audition right now?
8:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, I reckon, I think so. I think we should do a little Bond audition.
8:41 Speaker 02 Right, I've had a little tussle with some geezer in a.
8:44 Speaker 03 Okay.
8:44 Speaker 02 Bathroom, right?
8:45 Speaker 03 Right, yeah. All right.
8:49 Speaker 02 I've, I've thrown him in the bath.
8:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:52 Speaker 02 He's always having, he's always just getting out the bath or the shower, his Bond.
8:55 Speaker 03 He is, yeah.
8:56 Speaker 02 And he ends up having a fight.
8:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:57 Speaker 02 And then he uses his towel in some kind of deadly way.
9:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:01 Speaker 02 So I've done all that.
9:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:03 Speaker 02 Thrown the bloke in the bath, I've chucked something electrical in the bath.
9:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:07 Speaker 02 Right, he's fried and I just look to the camera and I go, absolutely shocking.
9:14 Speaker 03 Perfect. Very, you're in.
9:17 Speaker 02 That is a Bond line. That is from Bond.
9:19 Speaker 03 And yeah, that's, I think that's, well, he's a lot about puns, isn't he, Bond? It's more about like.
9:23 Speaker 02 What's the one where Connery?
9:24 Speaker 03 And there's no one to hear it. So the bloke's dead. There's no one else there.
9:27 Speaker 02 He's just doing it for himself. Psychopath, innit?
9:29 Speaker 03 Yeah. He should be on social media, shouldn't he? He should be able to be like.
9:32 Speaker 02 He should take a picture of it.
9:33 Speaker 03 Then absolutely shocking.
9:34 Speaker 02 Oh, he should be on TikTok. He should find some bloke in the bath. He's electrocuted and gone, absolutely shocking.
9:39 Speaker 03 And he's fighting him with one arm. Yeah, yeah.
9:42 Speaker 02 You're not gonna bother after that.
9:44 Speaker 03 Well, I was gonna.
9:45 Speaker 02 You don't have to, but.
9:47 Speaker 03 I'm gonna, I'm gonna try. Well, things I grew up with, um, the, the Pierce Brosnan Bond.
9:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
9:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, I thought he was pretty good, actually.
9:54 Speaker 02 He was great.
9:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:55 Speaker 02 Great Bond.
9:55 Speaker 03 Just, just so you know, Pierce, I thought you were pretty good.
9:57 Speaker 02 Pierce, I thought you were brilliant.
9:59 Speaker 03 So, and he, he was more of a kind of metrosexual kind of, he was a little, had a slightly, slightly more feminine energy, I think. I, I quite, he wasn't.
10:07 Speaker 02 I've got a theory about Bonds, right?
10:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:09 Speaker 02 You're either Roger Moore or Sean Connery. Daniel Craig, serious guy.
10:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:15 Speaker 02 Serious. And I think what the world needs right now.
10:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:18 Speaker 02 Is a little Roger Moore type Bond.
10:20 Speaker 03 Yeah, I agree.
10:20 Speaker 02 Little sort of wisecracky, sort of, um. Yeah, just a bit more suave, a bit more.
10:27 Speaker 03 Makes a joke.
10:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, absolutely.
10:30 Speaker 03 Well, let's say, so this, so I recall, there's a line I liked in, um, uh, well, I'm gonna say, I can't remember.
10:37 Speaker 02 Go on, I might remember for you.
10:39 Speaker 03 Which one is it? What's the first Pierce Brosnan one?
10:42 Speaker 02 The first Pierce Brosnan is GoldenEye.
10:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, what's the second Pierce Brosnan one?
10:44 Speaker 02 Second Pierce Brosnan is.
10:45 Speaker 03 Tomorrow Never Dies?
10:46 Speaker 02 Is it Tomorrow Never Dies?
10:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think it is, yeah. And he's about to be.
10:50 Speaker 02 And then it's The World Is Not Enough?
10:52 Speaker 03 That's right.
10:52 Speaker 02 Right.
10:53 Speaker 03 I like the bit where he's going, um, there's a guy who's kind of a sort of, he's a kind of media baron.
10:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
10:57 Speaker 03 And he's gonna start a war.
10:59 Speaker 02 Absolutely.
10:59 Speaker 03 Just so he can report on it in his newspapers.
11:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. It's a long, he's playing the long game, innit?
11:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, and I remember he's got a big screen and he's writing tomorrow's news and he's going.
11:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:09 Speaker 03 On a little, and actually that, that just looks incredibly difficult. He's like, get a keyboard, like.
11:19 Speaker 02 I don't like those things in movies. I don't like, like, all those, um, computers that, that surround you where it's like, shoo, shoo, bring it up. And they're just sort of like bringing stuff to them and like swiping it away and stuff like that.
11:32 Speaker 03 I know. Yeah. I often feel, I feel like, I see, I often, I literally see even on sports programmes where they're like, let's just get the clip up. I know the one you've just, I need to see, what's, what?
11:46 Speaker 02 Also, you can see that-
11:47 Speaker 03 It's like watching your dad trying to Google something.
11:50 Speaker 02 You can see that they've just drawn around players on like an iPad. It's like, these players here, like, da, da, da.
11:55 Speaker 03 Yeah. Yeah. No, I, yeah. Anyway, so he's doing that. And he says that, that they're about to be tortured.
12:02 Speaker 02 Right.
12:02 Speaker 03 And Pierce Brosnan says, I'd have thought watching your TV shows was torture enough.
12:08 Speaker 03 And actually, it's so funny, the guy actually goes, fuck you. Like, yeah, it's good. So that's what, that's my audition.
12:15 Speaker 02 That's good. That is really good.
12:18 Speaker 03 Good luck to you.
12:20 Speaker 02 How'd you like doing a podcast, Joe?
12:22 Speaker 03 I quite like it.
12:23 Speaker 02 Is it good? You enjoying it? We're episode two. We're two, we're, we're the second episode in.
12:27 Speaker 03 I really like it.
12:27 Speaker 02 Obviously, our, mine and yours reference to podcasting is of course, probably the greatest podcast ever made and will ever be made is The Ricky Gervais Show, right?
12:35 Speaker 03 Perfect.
12:35 Speaker 02 And I was thinking the other day about how we went to dinner with Stephen Merchant one night.
12:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, I remember this. Yeah, I, yeah.
12:45 Speaker 02 It was us and the other boys from The Inbetweeners and Ian Morris, who's co-creator of The Inbetweeners. And we were in Los Angeles and like, we're such huge fans of The Office and Extras and all that. And, um, Ian Morris kept saying, we're going for dinner tonight. I've arranged it. I've got a little special, um, companion who's going to join us. You're going to love it.
13:09 Speaker 03 We were, our expectations were extremely low, weren't they?
13:11 Speaker 02 Anyway, fucking one of our heroes.
13:13 Speaker 03 Oh, I mean, yeah, unbelievable. I, yeah, like, probably, at that, yeah, definitely.
13:18 Speaker 02 Little, um, little- Fact, there you go, little fact for you. There are two characters.
13:24 Speaker 03 Fucking, it's everywhere.
13:25 Speaker 02 I know. There are two characters in Extras.
13:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:29 Speaker 02 That work for the, I think they work for the BBC.
13:33 Speaker 03 Yep.
13:33 Speaker 02 And they're called Ian Morris and Damon Beasley.
13:35 Speaker 03 They're called Ian Morris and Damon Beasley.
13:36 Speaker 02 And they are named after the guys that wrote The Inbetweeners, Ian Morris and Damon Beasley.
13:41 Speaker 03 That is absolutely right.
13:43 Speaker 02 But yeah, we, we went for dinner in LA with Stephen Merchant and the problem I had was with that evening.
13:50 Speaker 03 Yep.
13:50 Speaker 02 Was that because I had listened to the Ricky Gervais, and also all the XFM shows and stuff before that.
13:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:58 Speaker 02 I've got them all, like I've downloaded them all off of some weird website somewhere or something.
14:03 Speaker 03 And now you can get them on Spotify and like.
14:06 Speaker 02 You can get like the best of, like I think, I think XFM have like volume one, volume two.
14:11 Speaker 03 I'm not talking about those, no, I'm not talking about those, I'm talking, they are, they're, they, anyway.
14:16 Speaker 02 The XFM shows.
14:17 Speaker 03 You had them on a kind of.
14:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, I managed to, I managed to find every single episode, pretty much that they ever made. And, and so when he was, when, first of all, when Stephen Merchant was telling us an anecdote. I didn't, but I wanted to go, I've already heard this. I've already heard this like a hundred times. Cause he was telling us about when he got, when he lost his trunks or something in Rio de Janeiro.
14:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, I was like, yeah, I know. And there were the, there were the pretty women on the beach and the wave came in.
14:47 Speaker 02 I wanted to like finish, yeah, but I wasn't, I wasn't sitting there going, oh, I've already heard this one. I was, it was like I was listening to like a greatest hits live. And I was like, yeah, go on, go on, get to the bit where, where, where you lost your glasses at that point.
15:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, I was trying to skip forward.
15:04 Speaker 02 Yeah. But also a problem that I've got with that podcast, right, is that because I've listened to it so many times, I now say anecdotes from that podcast.
15:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:15 Speaker 02 Because it's in my brain, I, I can't differentiate from real life. So I'll say. I'll say, oh, um, oh, what was it? My mate, actually, um, he was in Rio de Janeiro and this thing happened to him.
15:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:31 Speaker 02 And then someone's gone to me, wasn't, isn't that from the Rigged Javays podcast? And I go, yes, no, that wasn't my mate. That wasn't my mate at all. No, that was a podcast I've listened to over and over and over again so much. I now think they're my friends and that.
15:48 Speaker 02 But now we've got our own, we've got our own.
15:49 Speaker 03 We've got our own now and, um.
15:51 Speaker 02 Would it be as good as the Rigged Javays podcast? Don't answer that question, Joe.
15:54 Speaker 03 No point on, I mean.
15:55 Speaker 02 There's no point. It's obvious. I think it's obvious. I think we can all agree.
15:58 Speaker 03 We know what the answer is.
15:59 Speaker 02 Absolutely.
16:01 Speaker 03 And I don't want to offend either party by actually saying it out loud.
16:04 Speaker 02 I wouldn't, Joe.
16:05 Speaker 03 I wouldn't.
16:06 Speaker 02 I wouldn't because they're heroes to us and I wouldn't want to.
16:10 Speaker 03 I don't want them to worry that.
16:12 Speaker 02 Is this, is this podcast better than Rigged Javays? Leave us out of it.
16:15 Speaker 03 Yeah. Collecting for charity.
16:17 Speaker 02 Come on.
16:19 Speaker 03 All the money collected was for both dances.
16:22 Speaker 03 I mean, well done again on the office.
16:25 Speaker 02 Hey, um, should we do a fact?
16:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, let's do a fact.
16:29 Speaker 02 All right, let's do a fact.
16:30 Speaker 03 Oh shit, okay.
16:32 Speaker 02 You ready for a fact, Joe?
16:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, am I going first this week?
16:35 Speaker 02 I think you might be, but hold off one second.
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18:26 Speaker 03 Right, now we said that last week, our facts were going to be about tubes.
18:34 Speaker 03 Week two.
18:34 Speaker 02 Yes.
18:35 Speaker 03 Already on tubes.
18:37 Speaker 02 Have you thought outside of the box on that one? Because I haven't.
18:40 Speaker 03 I have, if thinking about the London Underground is thinking outside the box.
18:45 Speaker 02 I knew you would do that.
18:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, because it's the tube. You know, I use the tube. I, uh, you know, I, I use the tube. I just, there's not a second part to that. Um, I'm, I suppose, because I know, you know what it is, so I don't know what, just think what I'm making.
19:02 Speaker 02 The London Underground?
19:03 Speaker 03 The London Underground, yeah. Um, it's trains, they go under London and they take you where you need to go.
19:09 Speaker 02 Yes.
19:10 Speaker 03 And I have got a quite good fact, I think. So you know the, the thing on the London Underground that says, mind the gap?
19:19 Speaker 02 Go on.
19:20 Speaker 03 And then for a while, it was actually, it was all done by this actor called Oswald Lawrence.
19:27 Speaker 02 Mind the gap?
19:28 Speaker 03 Mind the gap.
19:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:31 Speaker 03 And then it began to get digitized, right? And for whatever reason, they stopped using his voice as different stations became like, they had this digital voice instead.
19:38 Speaker 02 Yep.
19:39 Speaker 03 And eventually it was only at the Northern Line Embankment where you had, mind the gap. And that's this Oswald Lawrence.
19:49 Speaker 02 Is it still there, do you know?
19:50 Speaker 03 Well, interesting. So.
19:51 Speaker 02 Go.
19:51 Speaker 03 His, he died.
19:53 Speaker 02 Yes.
19:53 Speaker 03 And his widow used to go to Embankment Station every day just to hear his voice.
19:59 Speaker 02 That's heartbreaking.
20:00 Speaker 03 Which is really, and then one day she went.
20:03 Speaker 02 So sad.
20:03 Speaker 03 But one day she went and it wasn't there. Finally, Embankment, the last station on the line to be digitized, had, had been digitized and they'd got rid of Oswald Lawrence's voice. But, and she was heartbroken. And she was like, well, I can't hear him. But there's a nice ending, which is that TFL went into the archive.
20:23 Speaker 02 Right.
20:23 Speaker 03 They found Oswald Lawrence's voice.
20:25 Speaker 02 The recording of it.
20:27 Speaker 03 And they have reinstated it at that station. So, so if you go to the Northern Line Embankment, you can hear Oswald Lawrence, who is, uh, he's a rather trained actor and he's got that kind of received English mind.
20:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:42 Speaker 03 The gap.
20:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:44 Speaker 03 Almost a kind of, almost like a sort of like RP, kind of BBC nineteen fifties kind of voice.
20:48 Speaker 02 I love it.
20:48 Speaker 03 Yeah. And, um, I mean, in a way, just have it, have it everywhere.
20:52 Speaker 02 I don't know why.
20:52 Speaker 03 I don't quite know why.
20:53 Speaker 02 I think.
20:54 Speaker 03 What does digitized mean? Even I keep saying it, but like.
20:56 Speaker 02 Also like.
20:57 Speaker 03 You've got, what do you mean?
20:59 Speaker 02 I feel like that's, uh, that's why people go to London. They wanna hear.
21:03 Speaker 03 They wanna hear that sort of thing, don't they?
21:04 Speaker 02 His voice.
21:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:06 Speaker 02 There's also a fact about the Tube map. This isn't my fact.
21:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, go on.
21:10 Speaker 02 But, and I'm, I'm going, I'm, I'm reaching right in the back of my brain here.
21:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:15 Speaker 02 We might need to get someone who's got a laptop near us to sort of, uh, help me out a little bit.
21:20 Speaker 03 Nice.
21:21 Speaker 02 But the guy that, um, made the Tube map that we know and love.
21:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:27 Speaker 02 Because Tube maps went through different sort of iterations where they were originally more sort of squiggly and would fit.
21:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:35 Speaker 02 And a genuine.
21:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:38 Speaker 02 Geography map.
21:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
21:39 Speaker 02 And then this guy came up with this idea of just making it like really super simple, all straight lines.
21:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:44 Speaker 02 And da, da, da. And I think they screwed him over or something. I think they like, uh, I think they gave him a tenner as well. Cheers for that.
21:52 Speaker 03 Right.
21:52 Speaker 02 And then it became this iconic thing that ended up on T-shirts.
21:55 Speaker 03 I feel like that's something that used to happen quite a lot.
21:58 Speaker 02 And I think he did sort of go, hey.
22:01 Speaker 03 Hang on a minute.
22:02 Speaker 02 Hey, is there any.
22:03 Speaker 03 What's that?
22:03 Speaker 02 Way I can get like, you know, some kind of royalty here. Who's the guy, by the way, that made that Tube map?
22:09 Speaker 04 His name was Harry Beck.
22:10 Speaker 02 Harry Beck.
22:11 Speaker 04 It was originally, um, so he submitted it to the London Underground in nineteen thirty one and it was considered too radical.
22:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:18 Speaker 04 And but he continued to distribute it anyway. And then it became so popular that they basically did a version of it, but not his.
22:25 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:26 Speaker 03 I see. Okay.
22:27 Speaker 04 Tried to gain control of that, basically claim it as his own. Um, but he never basically.
22:32 Speaker 02 No.
22:33 Speaker 04 And then he was posthumously recognised in twenty twenty two.
22:38 Speaker 03 Very good. Another interesting thing that I find about our country is that we have to do quite a lot of like posthumous, like, ah, sorry about, like, like sort of Alan Turing, where it's like, I think he might have invented the computer, but it seems as though all you guys are doing is chemically castrating him. Ah, sorry. Thanks for inventing the computer. It turned out to be a good idea. Sorry about, sorry about ruining your life.
23:06 Speaker 02 It was the bloke that did the Enigma code. And that was a big sorry.
23:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, no, that was, that was him, Alan Turing. Yeah, basically, he cracked the Enigma code, but they were like, yeah, well done. But what's all this gay stuff? No, no, no. We'll talk about the Enigma code in a minute. What? We've heard. And then, and then it took fucking ages. And that's probably, I mean, in a way, like, we haven't got a very good, you know, IT industry in this. Is it called IT?
23:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, information.
23:29 Speaker 03 I have conversations with my mum about AI quite a lot, and she always calls it IT.
23:32 Speaker 02 Right.
23:32 Speaker 03 It's quite sweet, I think. She's like, are you worried about IT?
23:34 Speaker 02 I'm getting, I'm getting annoyed with people just calling everything AI now.
23:38 Speaker 03 I'm, yeah, I know. It's become a bit, it's kind of the new mindfulness.
23:42 Speaker 02 Like, people are gonna start, people are gonna start going, typing two plus two in a calculator, and it gives you the answer, go fucking AI.
23:48 Speaker 03 Fucking AI. Yeah, no, I know, I know.
23:50 Speaker 02 There is a difference between, between CGI, just computing, and AI is a completely different thing.
23:57 Speaker 03 It's a different thing, yeah.
24:01 Speaker 02 Right, we should probably move on, Joe.
24:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:03 Speaker 02 Because, like.
24:04 Speaker 03 Did you like that fact, though? I thought that was a sweet fact.
24:06 Speaker 02 Right, I'm gonna, yes, I've just remembered it.
24:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. I thought that was a good one.
24:11 Speaker 02 It was a good one, yeah. And also.
24:13 Speaker 03 And I will say this, I really want to stress this, they won't all be good.
24:17 Speaker 02 No, that's fine. That's fine. That was a good fact. But I will say this, if there's any way we could start some kind of movement, what was his name? Oscar?
24:25 Speaker 03 Oswald Lawrence.
24:26 Speaker 02 Oswald Lawrence.
24:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:28 Speaker 02 If we could get Oswald Lawrence's voice back on the entirety.
24:33 Speaker 03 Of the Tube.
24:33 Speaker 02 Of the Tube network.
24:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:35 Speaker 02 I think we, I think that's something we could all be proud of.
24:37 Speaker 03 I think it would, I think it would, uh, boost morale in London, a much needed boost.
24:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:43 Speaker 03 I think, because London is a quiet, oh, grumping around.
24:46 Speaker 02 Well, everyone takes everything so seriously, doesn't it?
24:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:48 Speaker 02 We do need to move on. That was a wonderful fact, Joe. I really enjoyed that, man.
24:52 Speaker 03 Thank you.
24:53 Speaker 02 But it is time for fact check.
24:55 Speaker 03 Yep.
24:56 Speaker 02 This is the part of the podcast where you send in something that, that, I'm gonna say this, I'm quite fast and loose with this phrase here. Feels like a fact. That's what this whole podcast is about, to be honest with you.
25:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:11 Speaker 02 It feels like a fact to you and you'd like us, me and Joe, the authority, to confirm if it is true or false. Last week, we tried giving it a look up on the internet, but we've decided that we
25:24 Speaker 03 Not in that anymore.
25:24 Speaker 02 We probably know better. We're going to find out what fact one of you have sent in for us to check. And we're going to have a good old ponder during the break and we'll come back to you and let you know how true it feels to us and then decide whether it passes our fact check.
25:40 Speaker 03 Absolutely.
25:41 Speaker 02 Because that's how the world works now, Joe.
25:42 Speaker 03 That's how it works. Come on. We're not going on the internet ever again.
25:46 Speaker 02 There's no such thing as fact and fiction. It's just, it's just whatever you feel.
25:51 Speaker 03 What do you feel?
25:52 Speaker 02 You create your own reality, don't you?
25:55 Speaker 03 Exactly, exactly.
25:56 Speaker 02 So bear with us because this week's fact checked comes from Matilda. And she's asked, what was named orange first, the colour or the fruit? So we're going to get on the case.
26:11 Speaker 03 Okay.
26:11 Speaker 02 And we'll be back after what I can assume would be some, some adverts or something. You could probably just skip ahead through, just press that sort of, go ahead 10 seconds.
26:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:23 Speaker 02 You can do that.
26:24 Speaker 03 And if you overshoot.
26:25 Speaker 02 Just come back 10 seconds.
26:26 Speaker 03 Back you come. Or maybe you like to hear the adverts. Maybe you just want something in your head to drown out your own fucking thoughts.
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28:19 Speaker 03 I know I seem very...
28:22 Speaker 02 He's just so, he's so focused and chimed in, is Joe.
28:25 Speaker 03 Just like unbelievably relaxed.
28:27 Speaker 02 He's a machine, is Joe.
28:30 Speaker 02 He's basically AI. Imagine, like, imagine you, like, imagine it's for some reason, right?
28:36 Speaker 03 They'd never want me as an AI.
28:37 Speaker 02 In some kind of, like, Terminator style sort of film. That AI was used off the back of your brain.
28:46 Speaker 03 I think in a way it's very, it's an interesting idea. I suppose in a sense it's the paranoid android, isn't it?
28:52 Speaker 02 I think it would destroy itself.
28:53 Speaker 03 It'd kill itself, yeah.
28:56 Speaker 03 Alright, so you're not allowed to talk about... I'm not, I just, you know, it's not gonna stop happening just because I stopped talking about it.
29:03 Speaker 02 Hey, I feel like, I feel like we're back into the swing of things, Joe.
29:06 Speaker 03 We are, yeah, we're back in.
29:07 Speaker 02 I feel like we're back in podcast mode. So, Matilda wanted to know what was named orange first, the colour or the fruit? And I assume, well, I'm guessing it was the colour. I assume the fruit didn't have...
29:25 Speaker 02 And again, this is what you touched on earlier, Joe.
29:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:28 Speaker 02 And I don't want to get bogged down in this sort of thing.
29:30 Speaker 03 No, no, you're gone.
29:30 Speaker 02 I assumed they didn't have an English name, the fruit, whatever.
29:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:35 Speaker 02 Do you know what I mean?
29:35 Speaker 03 If we. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I see. Because of all my talk about language and things. Um, so.
29:43 Speaker 02 No, but just, you know, us constantly apologising for colonising the world.
29:47 Speaker 03 Oh, this, yes.
29:48 Speaker 02 I don't feel it's my responsibility, to be honest with you. I've colonised nothing. My fucking upbringing was awful. Poor as fuck. Don't you worry about that.
29:59 Speaker 03 I think I was actually probably going to go the other way. Actually, for some reason, I think perhaps it's actually the, the fruit. Because I think that.
30:09 Speaker 02 Surely the colour.
30:12 Speaker 02 The colour.
30:13 Speaker 03 But maybe there was, obviously the colour was there.
30:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:16 Speaker 03 But that maybe there was another word that was used to mean orange before, like, I don't know, like.
30:25 Speaker 02 How quickly can you look up, when did, where, where, where do oranges come from? Is there anywhere in Europe where they grow?
30:35 Speaker 03 Mediterranean, I think, like, North Africa.
30:40 Speaker 02 Right.
30:40 Speaker 03 Spain.
30:41 Speaker 02 Because North Africa historically is sort of Europe.
30:47 Speaker 03 Well, it's, I suppose, if what you mean is, did it, did it fall into the kind of sphere of interest of the Roman Empire?
30:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:56 Speaker 03 Yes.
30:56 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:57 Speaker 03 And, and, and, and it's part of that Mediterranean.
31:00 Speaker 02 Like Morocco, all the way through Egypt.
31:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, you know, they, they, so I think as far as Romans were going, that, that was the world.
31:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
31:06 Speaker 03 In a sense, the, the Mediterranean Sea.
31:08 Speaker 02 Well, that was it, man.
31:09 Speaker 03 And everything round about, you know, no, no America.
31:11 Speaker 02 The, the, um, the war against Carthage.
31:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
31:15 Speaker 02 Those wars that they had, they were, they were lit, they were considered the first world wars.
31:20 Speaker 03 Because it's, yeah.
31:22 Speaker 02 What did they call them? What was the wars called?
31:24 Speaker 03 The Punic Wars.
31:25 Speaker 02 Punic Wars, thank you.
31:26 Speaker 03 Yeah, Punic.
31:27 Speaker 02 Punic comes from.
31:31 Speaker 02 Oh, I had this. I would have sounded so intelligent right then, Joe.
31:36 Speaker 03 Punic. I don't know where it comes from, so.
31:38 Speaker 02 It's another word, it's from another word that got garbled throughout history.
31:44 Speaker 03 Right.
31:44 Speaker 02 Because Punic has nothing to do with, Phoenician, sorry. That's the word I'm looking for.
31:49 Speaker 03 Like Phoeni- like Phoenician, Phoenician, yeah.
31:52 Speaker 02 Phoenician, which was pronounced Phoenician.
31:55 Speaker 03 Phoenician.
31:55 Speaker 02 Which then.
31:56 Speaker 03 And became Punic. Nice.
31:58 Speaker 02 Look at that. That's why you're fucking, that is, that's some fucking podcast right there.
32:02 Speaker 03 That's good. And also, we didn't need to go on the internet to do it.
32:04 Speaker 02 No, that's all from our brains.
32:06 Speaker 03 So it was all, it was all in there. You know, don't go on the internet, it's already in your head.
32:11 Speaker 02 Exactly.
32:11 Speaker 03 Most of it is.
32:12 Speaker 02 You don't need it. Also, all of that might have been wrong. There's always a chance of that.
32:17 Speaker 03 But look, we have to, we have to, we have to settle this because this, like, we're kind of the, we're the arbiters in a sense.
32:26 Speaker 02 Absolutely, yeah.
32:27 Speaker 03 Where this judgment that we hand down is, this is gonna, this is gonna set.
32:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:31 Speaker 03 The truth.
32:32 Speaker 02 This is, this is going forward.
32:34 Speaker 03 And what's, yeah, and what's difficult is at the moment, we have a bit of a split within the Supreme Court. You know, you've, you know, Justice Thomas and Justice Buckley.
32:44 Speaker 02 Would there be a Supreme Court if Rome didn't win the Punic Wars?
32:48 Speaker 03 Well, there's another question. So, you know, it's important and there's a, there's a, you know, there's a, there's a split, obviously, and it's, it's.
32:55 Speaker 02 Well, this is good.
32:56 Speaker 03 You're saying the fruit, I'm saying, I think probably what it actually came from, you know, you're saying the colour, I'm saying the fruit. I think probably it comes from a region that was a place that had a name called like Aranjia. Or so was it, there was a Spanish, it's like that Aranjia or something.
33:12 Speaker 02 Right, go on.
33:12 Speaker 03 Orange. So they were like, what are, what are those things that are falling off the trees in that place? And they just call them like Chelmsford's or something, you know, like.
33:21 Speaker 02 This is classic fact up.
33:23 Speaker 03 This is classic fact up.
33:24 Speaker 02 Because what you've said there.
33:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:26 Speaker 02 I know that you've just made it up.
33:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, but.
33:29 Speaker 02 But you said the words like, there's a region.
33:31 Speaker 03 There'll be a region, exactly.
33:32 Speaker 02 You made up a region in Spain for me.
33:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, that's right, yeah.
33:35 Speaker 02 And I just go, that's got to be true.
33:38 Speaker 03 It's got to be true, isn't it? Yeah, that's how.
33:39 Speaker 02 That's got to be true.
33:40 Speaker 03 That's how people like me operate.
33:41 Speaker 02 You've backed it up.
33:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, it sounded plausible.
33:44 Speaker 02 Do you know what? I have so many discussions with my wife Claire like that.
33:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:47 Speaker 02 Where I say things exactly like that.
33:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:50 Speaker 02 And then I just go about the rest of my life.
33:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:52 Speaker 02 I never say to her, by the way, I just made all that up.
33:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:56 Speaker 02 I, in my own, my brain, I have a conversation with my brain.
34:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:00 Speaker 02 And my brain goes, say this. And then I go to my brain, yeah, no, that sounds right, brain.
34:04 Speaker 03 I am.
34:05 Speaker 02 And he goes, there you go, James. Enjoy that.
34:07 Speaker 03 I had an early date with Hannah where we went round, I don't know why, but a herb garden.
34:13 Speaker 02 Course. Classic, classic first date.
34:16 Speaker 03 It was like sort of Adam and Eve.
34:17 Speaker 02 My lady.
34:19 Speaker 03 It was like Adam and Eve. It was like, do you want to go and see the herbs?
34:21 Speaker 02 Was it a horse and carriage around the herb garden?
34:27 Speaker 02 Course, Joe, you dog.
34:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, I know.
34:30 Speaker 02 But you got some that night, didn't you? She wouldn't have been able to resist.
34:34 Speaker 03 I know.
34:35 Speaker 02 Hannah, I know that.
34:36 Speaker 03 With me all stinking of sage and.
34:39 Speaker 02 I know you wanted.
34:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, and I was like, smell that, smell that.
34:43 Speaker 02 I know that you're.
34:43 Speaker 03 It's nice, isn't it?
34:44 Speaker 02 You know, you're getting involved with a TV, a comedy TV star at the moment.
34:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:48 Speaker 02 One of the biggest comedies on TV right now.
34:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:52 Speaker 02 You're probably expecting to go to Mayfair or something like that.
34:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:56 Speaker 02 Shut your little face for a second. I'm sorry, baby, I'm taking you around a herb garden.
35:00 Speaker 03 Going around a herb garden. But I was telling her what all the herbs were. And after a few times, she saw that there were little placards that told her what the herbs are. And she was like, you're getting them all wrong.
35:14 Speaker 03 I didn't know what any of them were. I was like, that's, you know.
35:17 Speaker 02 But it doesn't matter, does it?
35:19 Speaker 03 Lemon, marjoram or something.
35:20 Speaker 02 But if you say something with a certain.
35:21 Speaker 03 Lemon thyme, yeah.
35:22 Speaker 02 If with a certain confidence.
35:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:24 Speaker 02 So, yeah, what was your point, Joe? Because I'm going with you now, man.
35:28 Speaker 03 Because I think, I think what it is, is that it's a region and that it's named after. I think things often end up getting named after like the place where they're from.
35:37 Speaker 02 Right.
35:37 Speaker 03 Like if something's from Russia, it's just called like, the fruit of the Russians. And they're just called like, and that obviously that's, I can't back that up. Because, yeah, the Rus', you know, that famous fruit that we've got. And I think that it became, so the fruit was like, what are those things called? They're called like Seville's or whatever.
36:00 Speaker 02 Sure.
36:01 Speaker 03 Although they're called Seville oranges, so it doesn't work. And but then that, and then that became.
36:06 Speaker 02 That, that, no, that just feeds into it. That feeds to it into even more. The Seville version of the orange.
36:12 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:12 Speaker 02 Right.
36:13 Speaker 03 So we don't need to know whether we're right because we don't check, but that's what we say. You have.
36:17 Speaker 02 Is that right?
36:17 Speaker 04 Yeah, you don't have to. I've got information if you want it. You don't have to.
36:20 Speaker 03 I'm quite interested now to know.
36:22 Speaker 02 I'm interested in listening to some information.
36:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, let's, let's, let's hear.
36:25 Speaker 02 Because I'll be, I'll be honest, I'd put my mortgage on, on JT right now.
36:31 Speaker 03 Bloody hell.
36:31 Speaker 02 I think he's absolutely correct. Don't. My manager's saying, don't. That's why, that's why she looks after me.
36:38 Speaker 04 The oranges first came in southeast China and northeast India.
36:43 Speaker 03 Okay.
36:44 Speaker 04 And that's where they originated from.
36:45 Speaker 02 Right.
36:46 Speaker 04 Oranges were called oranges because the fruit came first.
36:50 Speaker 02 Right.
36:51 Speaker 04 It was because of the origin, origin language used to refer to them as naranjas.
36:58 Speaker 03 Naranja.
36:58 Speaker 04 Or naran, or naranji. And then all French adopted like orangey.
37:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:04 Speaker 04 And then they sort of adapted to English, which became orange.
37:08 Speaker 02 Absolutely.
37:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, so.
37:09 Speaker 02 So basically what Joe just said.
37:11 Speaker 03 Basically correct. Yeah.
37:13 Speaker 02 So, um, thank you, Matilda, for that. That was, that was.
37:17 Speaker 03 It's like we're calling you Matilda.
37:19 Speaker 02 No, no. Matilda, you got in touch with us.
37:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:21 Speaker 02 Um, yeah. That, listen, say what you like, that was a fascinating conversation about fucking nonsense.
37:30 Speaker 03 I enjoy, I mean, I think so, in a sense, it was, was I right?
37:34 Speaker 02 Listen, I think so. I'll go with that. Joe was right.
37:37 Speaker 03 Well, there we go.
37:37 Speaker 02 Well, we were both right because I, I flip flopped, didn't I?
37:40 Speaker 03 You flip flopped in the end.
37:41 Speaker 02 You convinced me.
37:42 Speaker 03 It was a unanimous decision.
37:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:43 Speaker 03 You were holding out, but I was saying, no.
37:45 Speaker 02 So Joe and James. Joe and James didn't fact it up.
37:49 Speaker 03 You didn't fact it up.
37:50 Speaker 02 We didn't fact it up. Um, oh, I believe, Joe, it is my fact for you.
37:57 Speaker 03 Hit me with it.
37:58 Speaker 02 First of all, though, I am just gonna go to the loo.
38:01 Speaker 03 Okay.
38:01 Speaker 02 And push some urine at the end of my penis.
38:03 Speaker 03 All good.
38:04 Speaker 02 And, and I'll be right back.
38:06 Speaker 03 Perfect.
38:06 Speaker 02 Okay.
38:10 Speaker 02 Right, Joe.
38:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
38:11 Speaker 02 I've just had a little piss.
38:14 Speaker 03 You've been for a wee?
38:15 Speaker 02 I've been for a wee. And I was just, I was just, I sat down, enjoyed myself.
38:21 Speaker 03 There's not, there's, listen.
38:22 Speaker 02 I took it easy while I was doing it.
38:24 Speaker 03 I sometimes sit down.
38:25 Speaker 02 Mate, I, I don't.
38:26 Speaker 03 Why wouldn't you?
38:27 Speaker 02 I, I.
38:28 Speaker 03 I love sitting down. I just, I fucking love.
38:30 Speaker 02 From the age of 18.
38:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
38:32 Speaker 02 I've been sitting down to wee. Unless I'm.
38:34 Speaker 03 I mean, I don't believe.
38:35 Speaker 02 Unless I'm in a pub or something like that where you don't want to really touch anything.
38:39 Speaker 03 Some of the stuff that I've walked into in a gents is fucking shameful.
38:44 Speaker 02 Mate.
38:45 Speaker 03 What the fuck's going on?
38:46 Speaker 02 I would.
38:46 Speaker 03 I see what, I've got a little theory there about piss on toilet seats.
38:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
38:50 Speaker 03 Well, all that it takes, because I suppose maybe I'm, I will clean up my own piss. I feel a bit like, I feel a bit like I shouldn't have to clean up somebody else's piss. But here's the problem, it only takes one man to get his urine on the toilet seat.
39:03 Speaker 02 And that's it then.
39:03 Speaker 03 And then that's it.
39:04 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:04 Speaker 03 Because the next guy comes in, so the next guy's me.
39:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:07 Speaker 03 I would clean up my own.
39:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:08 Speaker 03 But like, well, there's already some there. It seems really weird to clean up my own and not clean up his.
39:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:14 Speaker 03 But I don't really want to clean up his. So now I just leave mine.
39:16 Speaker 02 Exactly.
39:17 Speaker 03 And now you're fine. And now we're away.
39:18 Speaker 02 The seal's broken.
39:19 Speaker 03 And now it's, and now it's the fucking end of the fucking world.
39:20 Speaker 02 That's it. Society's fallen down.
39:22 Speaker 03 Eventually that won't even be a toilet, it'll just be a tank full of urine.
39:25 Speaker 02 What we need to do is just.
39:26 Speaker 03 Stuff swimming around in it.
39:27 Speaker 02 We need to just start cleaning up.
39:29 Speaker 03 You know what I mean?
39:30 Speaker 02 Just clean up our own piss after ourselves.
39:32 Speaker 03 If you piss on the seat, clean it up.
39:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:34 Speaker 03 For heaven's sake.
39:35 Speaker 02 And there's toilet roll there, you can scrunch it up into a ball, you don't have to touch anything.
39:40 Speaker 03 But this is the other thing, I know that they're doing it because they're like, they worry about hygiene. But I'm like, well, what about my hygiene?
39:47 Speaker 02 Um, I do believe it's my.
39:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:49 Speaker 02 Turn to have a fact.
39:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:51 Speaker 02 And I've got it on my phone here.
39:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:52 Speaker 02 Now, I went, I did go route one.
39:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:55 Speaker 02 And my fact's quite boring and we're not going to get as much chat. Yours was really good, Joe.
40:01 Speaker 03 Thank you very much. Thank you. I was, I was happy with that.
40:03 Speaker 02 Uh, your, um. So I do have a, it's a fact about the pneumatic tube, which is the, what I was talking about last week.
40:14 Speaker 03 Yes.
40:14 Speaker 02 But I couldn't, I didn't know it was called the pneumatic tube.
40:16 Speaker 03 That's right. I still remember that you referred to it as a dildo, which,
40:23 Speaker 03 because you were.
40:25 Speaker 02 I don't know what to tell you, Joe. I don't know what you want from me, mate.
40:27 Speaker 03 It was just to hack. That was just, yeah. But we both agree that these are fantastic contraptions.
40:35 Speaker 02 The thing is, I could have said it looked like a penis made of plastic, but we all know what that is.
40:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly. An efficiency, efficiency at all times.
40:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, see, nodding away there.
40:45 Speaker 03 Please can we live in a more.
40:47 Speaker 02 Am I right, Kay? Yeah, see?
40:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly. So.
40:51 Speaker 02 Right. So here's, here's a little fact for you. And I don't think, I don't think this is interesting. I'm glad that your one was so interesting.
40:59 Speaker 03 I think this is gonna be interesting.
41:00 Speaker 02 It saved the episode.
41:00 Speaker 03 I have a very unusual idea of what's interesting.
41:02 Speaker 02 There's no discussion about this one. It's just a fact.
41:05 Speaker 03 Okay. Well, I just have to take it and.
41:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
41:08 Speaker 03 Eat it. Just have to eat it.
41:10 Speaker 02 In the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
41:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
41:15 Speaker 02 Which people still need to get their head around.
41:17 Speaker 03 Late 19th, yes.
41:18 Speaker 02 So the 1800s and 1900s.
41:19 Speaker 03 The late 1800s and the early 1900s, yes.
41:22 Speaker 02 New York City had a pneumatic tube mail system that could shoot canisters between post offices at speeds of up to 35 miles per hour. At its peak, more than 95,000 letters a day zipped under the city through these tubes. It was so efficient.
41:41 Speaker 03 Go on.
41:41 Speaker 02 And this is where I think we've missed a trick.
41:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
41:44 Speaker 02 That some people thought pneumatic tubes might one day replace surface mail delivery entirely.
41:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
41:52 Speaker 02 And I feel like that's where we've had a schism.
41:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
41:56 Speaker 02 And.
41:57 Speaker 03 Are you talking about, as they say, a sliding doors moment?
42:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:01 Speaker 02 Where we could have gone one way, but we went the other.
42:03 Speaker 03 We went the other.
42:04 Speaker 02 Right. But imagine in your house, in the kitchen, there's a little pneumatic tube.
42:10 Speaker 03 I'd feel like I was living in the first Harry Potter book.
42:12 Speaker 02 It'd be like, or the Jetsons or something like that.
42:15 Speaker 03 If someone came through that, I'd be like. Oh, good morning.
42:19 Speaker 02 So the postman doesn't turn up anymore. The postman's, the postman's at the depot sorting out all the posts and just
42:26 Speaker 02 and then maybe it goes to another sort of place to then
42:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:30 Speaker 02 Oh, it's on this street.
42:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:33 Speaker 02 And then someone sorts it into the, into the numbers of the sh- imagine that, imagine that was our lives. We would be, honestly, I think if we would, if we would have carried on going down that road, we'd have all had hoverboards right now.
42:46 Speaker 03 You wish we had got rid of the entire postal system to replace it with a network.
42:50 Speaker 02 I suppose the pneumatic, the pneumatic tube system.
42:53 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:54 Speaker 02 Was like, we, we would have gone, no, we got, we got the, we got the, we got the, what do they call it? The penny black or whatever it's called. We, we're fine.
43:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
43:03 Speaker 02 Is that what it was called? You're a historian.
43:06 Speaker 03 Yes, it was. The first, it was, it was a penny. It's the first stamp. It was the penny black.
43:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
43:09 Speaker 03 And, uh, it cost a penny, I assume. But I mean, post was really
43:14 Speaker 02 That would have been well expensive back then.
43:15 Speaker 03 Post are now, now, now we see of it as this kind of like dusty old thing. But actually, like the Victorian postal network was incredibly efficient and very, very impressive. You could get letters up two or three times a day. And, um, they, and I know an interesting, another interesting fact about posts, there's a book about Jack the Ripper that I
43:30 Speaker 02 Go on.
43:30 Speaker 03 Like, um, and it's, uh, I'd recommend it actually. It's called, uh, They All Love Jack. And it makes quite a, uh, audacious case for who this person thinks Jack the Ripper was, uh, and quite convincingly.
43:44 Speaker 02 Someone in the, someone in the royal family.
43:46 Speaker 03 Someone in the public eye, actually.
43:47 Speaker 02 Oh, okay.
43:47 Speaker 03 Um, a kind of, um, well, I don't want to, I read it. It's very interesting. But one of the interesting things about just the insight into like the Victorian world. And one of the things that they had was, uh, Jack the Ripper kept sending all these letters to the Victorian police, taunting them.
44:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:01 Speaker 03 And lots of people say these letters are forgeries. But this guy's, this writer's opinion is they're not forgeries. They're not forgeries. And they come from all around the country. And some of them come from America. And he thinks that what happens is that you could send a letter on board a steamer to America and it would get posted as soon as the steamer. So if you're on the Titanic, say.
44:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:23 Speaker 03 You could post a letter.
44:24 Speaker 02 You're not going to get to America.
44:25 Speaker 03 Well, you're not, yeah, your letter's not getting to America if you're on the Titanic. But say you're on one of the other Titanic style ships.
44:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:32 Speaker 03 There's a post box there. You can, you can, there's a post office on the ship. So when you get to America, a little boat comes alongside, before even the passengers have disembarked, the letters are off the ship. So this is when it docks in New York.
44:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:46 Speaker 03 They are then given an American postmark, like out of New York.
44:50 Speaker 02 Right.
44:50 Speaker 03 And they go, and if you post it to England, it goes straight back to England.
44:53 Speaker 02 Right.
44:54 Speaker 03 And this writer thinks that's how Jack the Ripper, this person.
44:57 Speaker 02 So he was basically.
44:58 Speaker 03 Acquired these American postmarks for his letters.
45:02 Speaker 02 Is it, is it like a primitive version of a VPN?
45:05 Speaker 03 It was a pretty, exactly, exactly right. It's exactly right. And, and he.
45:09 Speaker 02 But that would have taken.
45:11 Speaker 03 But he thinks that part of.
45:12 Speaker 02 That would have taken a couple of months or something, surely, like.
45:15 Speaker 03 Well, it would, well, no, because I actually think, because the fastest, the fastest steamer was, when was it, three, three weeks, maybe?
45:23 Speaker 02 Right, okay.
45:24 Speaker 03 And, and of course.
45:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, but there and back.
45:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, that, okay, so.
45:28 Speaker 02 You're looking at a month and a half at least.
45:29 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, but, but there was, but it did go on for this, it went on for this thing at the time. And, and these were not, I think I'm right in saying that these are not the letters that, well, actually, I'm not, I'm not actually sure, but.
45:39 Speaker 02 But imagine if we had, if we'd had all the, if we'd had a, a global network of these pipes.
45:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:46 Speaker 02 Call it the internet. No, no.
45:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, okay. All right. So this is what we're, yeah.
45:50 Speaker 02 But pre-internet, right?
45:51 Speaker 03 Yes.
45:51 Speaker 02 Global, like, you'd have been able to just thump to things in New York in like, like less than a day or something. And that's what, because you remember, like, do you remember, you know, the, the first opium war, right? What are you laughing at, Kay?
46:06 Speaker 03 I like, I think she's laughing at the fact that you were going to go with the phrase, do you remember the first opium?
46:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, I was gonna, I was about to say that.
46:11 Speaker 03 Well, I remember that, well, we were filming the first series of The Inbetweeners and like, we were in China and we were kept on saying, this, can you hold the traffic? And we're going to the fucking war on.
46:19 Speaker 02 The first opium war, there was this bloke, Captain something, again, can't remember.
46:23 Speaker 03 Captain something, okay, yeah.
46:25 Speaker 02 Can you look up the, the captain from, captain, type in Google, Captain something from the first opium war, right?
46:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:32 Speaker 02 So he.
46:33 Speaker 03 Martin something.
46:33 Speaker 02 He was, he was constantly trying, like.
46:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:37 Speaker 02 Britain was like, we're, we're spending too much money on tea and we're not getting, we're not getting anything out of it. You need to tell those Chinese people, we need to start doing some fucking trade, right? Because this is getting nuts. Right, so then Britain started sort of illegally just selling opium.
46:51 Speaker 03 They got the Chinese addicted to opium so that they could sell it to them.
46:54 Speaker 02 So there was this go between guy who was sort of representing the British at the time.
46:59 Speaker 04 The British Chief Superintendent of Trade in China, Charles Elliot.
47:02 Speaker 02 That's the guy, Charles Elliot.
47:04 Speaker 03 Very, very good to get that from Captain something.
47:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, so Charles Elliot, right, he was, he was sort of like the go between. He was the, he was the man on the ground, right?
47:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:14 Speaker 02 And he's going, and even him, he's going, this is a bit out of order, isn't it? We're just sort of trying to force opium onto China, like.
47:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:22 Speaker 02 So he, he decides to negotiate and he basically does get nothing that Britain wants.
47:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:31 Speaker 02 But then he carries on working there for about six months and some bloke turns up and he's like, why, what are you still doing here? He's like, well, I'm trying to stop a war between Britain and China right now because everything's really fucking heated.
47:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:44 Speaker 02 And I'm really trying my hardest not to, not to make this turn into a war. And the bloke goes to him, well, you've been sacked for the last six months. And he's like, oh, right. He was like, well, here's the letter here. So he was just sat there waiting for a letter. He was doing all this work and stuff.
47:59 Speaker 03 Well, this, yeah, no, well, this is, this is the thing is that like, you know, you might not.
48:03 Speaker 02 A little pneumatic, pneumatic tube.
48:05 Speaker 03 I actually, I like, I like what you're saying in as much as it's almost, it's making, it would have made them think about networks underground and just, it would have unhooked their thinking from the sense that everything just needs to be by like the Pony Express or the ways of travel that we're already familiar with. And it might have, I suppose, they would be thinking outside the box. Is that what you're sort of saying?
48:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, but also what I'm more concerned about, what I touched on last week, was all, was the company behind all the little, the big dildo things.
48:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
48:40 Speaker 02 They, they, they would have, that come.
48:42 Speaker 03 Well, they, well, I think we know what happened. They, they, they shifted.
48:47 Speaker 02 Where did they go? Is what I'm saying.
48:50 Speaker 03 Well, they started making dildos.
48:52 Speaker 02 Oh, right. They just went full, full dildo.
48:55 Speaker 03 They were just like, well, what else can we do with these?
48:57 Speaker 02 Well, we know what people are using them for anyway.
48:58 Speaker 03 Well, exactly, yeah.
49:01 Speaker 02 Don't think if I didn't have a little.
49:05 Speaker 03 If I had a little tube.
49:06 Speaker 02 If I had a little suction tube in my kitchen, that would be, you know, putting either my cock or bottom. Hear it?
49:14 Speaker 03 Just be saying, just send a.
49:15 Speaker 02 Just out of curiosity.
49:16 Speaker 03 Just send another letter now.
49:18 Speaker 02 Maybe that's why, maybe that's why I didn't take off.
49:22 Speaker 03 Anyway. You could have kept breaking, wouldn't you, I suppose?
49:27 Speaker 02 What have you learnt this week? Because I cannot remember what we've just spoken about.
49:32 Speaker 03 I'll tell you what we've learnt.
49:33 Speaker 02 I've instantly forgotten about it.
49:34 Speaker 03 We've learnt that oranges originally came from North East.
49:40 Speaker 02 No, it was from China and Asia.
49:41 Speaker 03 And then that, that word was then kind of bastardised by European tongues and became orange. I told you about the announcement on the tube and we are going to try and bring that back across the tube.
49:54 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'd like to make, I'd like to make that a thing.
49:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. It's Oswald, Oswald Lawrence.
50:01 Speaker 02 Oswald?
50:02 Speaker 03 Oswald.
50:03 Speaker 02 Lawrence.
50:04 Speaker 03 His name is Oswald Lawrence.
50:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:06 Speaker 03 And he says, mind the gap.
50:09 Speaker 02 Right, let's get Oswald back in our tube station.
50:12 Speaker 03 Available to hear at Embankment, but it'd be nice to get him throughout. And then we also learnt that in New York, they used to have a system of pneumatic tubes to deliver the mail.
50:25 Speaker 02 That's right. I forgot about that.
50:26 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, that was your fact. And well, you've passed it on. You don't need to retain it anymore.
50:31 Speaker 02 But that's it.
50:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's in the cloud now.
50:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:34 Speaker 03 I'm the cloud.
50:35 Speaker 02 Yeah. And if I need to remember that fact, I'll just, I'll do what I did the first time around.
50:40 Speaker 03 Ask AI, is it?
50:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:42 Speaker 03 Yep.
50:42 Speaker 02 We do hope that you've learned something or at least had a nice time. Doesn't necessarily need to be both, of course, but we will be back next week armed with facts, chats and underground maps.
50:55 Speaker 03 Oh, okay, okay.
50:57 Speaker 02 See, you've started something now.
50:58 Speaker 03 Very good.
50:59 Speaker 02 This is only going to get more and more difficult.
51:01 Speaker 03 You didn't even know I was doing the tube. You come up with that during the episode.
51:03 Speaker 02 There you go. Well, that's it. So you've, you fucked yourself. Don't forget that you can get in touch with us.
51:10 Speaker 03 We're now going to try and get us off a Yukon.
51:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
51:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:17 Speaker 02 Don't forget that you can get in touch with us if you'd like to, if you'd like us to fact check something that you feel is true and that you need some kind of stamp of authority. And you can, you can do that by emailing us. Hello at joeandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp number is 07822 034330. And our socials are joeandjamespod, at joeandjamespod, which you can, I assume you can DM us and stuff in there.
51:49 Speaker 02 Also, you can head to the podcast description if you've already forgotten those details, which I'll be doing shortly. Anyway, thank you so much for listening.
51:58 Speaker 03 Thank you, James. Are you not sure to me?
52:04 Speaker 03 That's all right.
52:05 Speaker 02 That was so earnest.
52:06 Speaker 03 Oh, that's all right.
52:07 Speaker 02 No, I'm listening, I'm talking to the, listening, I'm getting listening, talk.
52:11 Speaker 03 Listening to the talkers.
52:13 Speaker 02 I'm talking to the, the handful of people that have listened to this.
52:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:17 Speaker 02 And thanking them because we do appreciate it.
52:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:20 Speaker 02 And we'll be back next week with fuck knows what, like god knows.
52:24 Speaker 03 We genuinely don't know because we haven't planned it, have we?
52:27 Speaker 02 Absolutely bonkers. Goodbye.
52:29 Speaker 03 Bye.
52:31 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Clap, clap.
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