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  Got your little Greg's there.

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  Thank you very much.

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  It'll be cold by now.

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  Well, I'll have it anyway. Things, I've only just had some toast, but thank you very much. I really, I do appreciate it. I will have it probably at half time.

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  You had some toast? What are you having on your toast there? Now we go. Now this is a conversation.

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  This is it now. Butter and peanut butter.

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  Butter and peanut butter?

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  Always.

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  Butter and peanut butter?

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  Butter and peanut butter, yeah. Yeah, honestly, you've got to try it. It's really nice. It's lovely.

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  I've got, I just assume everything's better with butter.

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  It is.

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  I've never done the butter and peanut butter. I feel like the fact that it's called peanut butter means you don't need to put butter on it.

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  No, it's a lie. It's not butter. It's not butter. It's a peanut paste. I mean, it's like you could call jam, like fruit butter. But it's not butter. They shouldn't be allowed.

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  Doesn't it make it difficult to spread on the toast if there's already like a layer of melted butter?

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  It melts in. It melts in. And then you put on the peanut butter.

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  Do you know what you could do?

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  It's gorgeous. I was raised on that.

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  You could pre-make peanut butter butter. You could, you could get a bit of butter, bit of peanut butter.

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  Keep it in the fridge.

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  Mix it in a little bowl or something like that. Keep that in the fridge. That's ready to go on your toast.

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  It's not a bad idea.

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  Straight away.

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  It's not a bad idea.

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  I nearly had some toast today.

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  What stopped you?

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  What are you laughing at?

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  No, it sounds good.

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  Yeah?

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  Yeah.

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  No, but I like a pate.

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  Oh, I like pate. Oh, I like pate.

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  Do you like marmite?

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  Yes.

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  I love marmite.

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  You just need very little. I think the thing with marmite is people, people say, I don't like it. It's like, well, okay. I mean, but you need to think of marmite almost like salt.

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  You just need, you don't need to go too overboard with the marmite.

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  It's just a little corner here and there.

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  I never had Vegemite.

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  Is that the Australian version of marmite?

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  No, it's slightly different.

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  Well, marmite is a by-product of the brewing industry.

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  Yeah, yeast, yeah.

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  So basically, that was, that's genius.

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  During the war?

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  Yeah, so they're making this beer and they're like, what's all this stuff that's like, kind of leftover?

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  Yeah, I think it was when they were doing corned beef or something like that.

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  Yeah.

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  And they, and then.

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  No, like, don't, don't throw that away.

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  They did the same in Australia, but it's from a different, I think Vegemite is not a yeast extract. I think it's just different. It comes from something else.

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  They're doing something else in Australia. Surfing.

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  They always do everything differently in Australia. Everything's different in Australia.

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  It's all different. Everything's different.

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  That's what they should say for their tourists.

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  Everything's different. Come over here, everything's different.

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  Everything's different in Australia, mate.

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  That's really good. Everyone wants things to be different.

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  Yeah.

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  Things will be different over here. It'll be different here. Just come here. And then New Zealand could go, it's different to Australia.

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  It's different here as well.

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  Goes back again.

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  Yeah.

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  It is a bit like that. It's go, you go to Australia, it's really different. You go to New Zealand, it's like, I was back to, back to England again. And that's how it works. That's how countries work. France, different. Germany, just about to be in the same.

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  Right.

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  Spain, different. Portugal, about to be in the same.

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  Have you ever been to Berlin?

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  Yeah. Yeah.

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  What was that like?

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  I like Berlin. I mean, it's, it's very, it's not a beautiful city because it's been heavily destroyed through time, but it's got a lovely culture, it's very vibrant. I went actually on a.

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  I'd like to go to Munich.

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  Yeah, I'd like to go to Munich.

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  I am going to Munich.

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  You're going to Munich?

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  Mm-hmm, in August.

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  It's like the birthplace of beer.

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  Yeah.

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  It's when I first started putting hops in their beer and that area.

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  I bet Munich's lovely. I'd also like to go to, and it's unfortunate because I know it's just where Hitler went on holiday, but like that sort of southern Germany, North Austria, Alpine region.

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  The Eagle's Nest.

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  Not literally, not Berchtesgaden.

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  If the Eagle's Nest is not on Airbnb, they have missed a truck.

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  I think they destroyed it. I think precisely for that reason, because it was like, well, the problem is, so I mean, I don't know, not, I don't mean literally there, but I just think that it's very obvious that that is a beautiful, you know, say like Hitler, he did have quite a good choice and a good taste in holidays.

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  Right.

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  That is a good view. I don't know, what do you want me to say?

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  It was a birthday gift, wasn't it? The Eagle's Nest.

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  Was it?

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  I think it was for his 50th birthday or something like that.

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  It's a nice present, isn't it?

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  How old did he live for Hitler?

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  Died on his birthday, didn't he?

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  Did he die on his birthday?

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  There's lots of bonus facts here, aren't there? That's for free, that one.

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  More podcast facts I've ever had.

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  And to be fair, we've not brought up Hitler for ages on this podcast.

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  No, we haven't. No, we're apparently, we're told we have to not do it because people get upset.

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  Who? No one's ever said, told me not to bring up Hitler.

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  There have been times where we've spoken about too much in a row.

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  Yeah, we did have a lot of Hitler chat for, for a while.

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  I think if we get to like 20 minutes.

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  He's sort of back in my consciousness now anyway, because I'm watching the Tom Hanks World War II documentary thing.

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  Where are you up to?

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  A new episode came out this morning, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna watch that this, but where are we up to? We are up to around sort of D-Day. It's difficult because he's covering everything, Tom Hanks.

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  Yeah.

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  So both theatres, the European and the Japanese.

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  Hanks is spread pretty thin.

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  So, yeah, so it goes like, you'll be D-Day in Europe and then it'd be like, the next episode would be like, right, let's check back on what's happening. And then you'll have to go back to sort of like 1942 a little bit.

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  Just ignore that bit. That's what I, what I say is, VJ Day, just whatever. Just take it as a given.

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  Do you know, right, how amazing, America was basically like fighting two people with both hands. They were like, they had two full-scale wars going on both sides of their country.

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  And they came out of it and they stole loads of money.

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  Yeah.

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  Unbelievable performance from America, to be fair.

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  Not just a hat rack, eh?

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  Unbelievable. Unbelievable performance. How old was Hitler when he died?

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  56.

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  56.

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  And he was born on the 20th of April, died on the 30th of April.

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  Oh, okay.

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  Sex and fun sick.

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  Yes, exactly.

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  Wow, he had, I don't know if you know this, he had a sibling called Paula Hitler.

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  Paula Hitler?

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  Oh, yeah, I think that is true. I'm not sure she, and there was, there was a Hitler alive in Britain for some time, a relative Hitler with a surname Hitler.

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  I know he's got a nephew. His last living relative got done for being a paedophile.

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  Really?

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  And he's not the worst person in the family.

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  God, that's bad, isn't it?

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  That's bad.

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  But you would be, be like, oh, yeah, I'm a massive paedo, but.

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  Could be worse.

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  Could be worse, mate.

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  I hope they don't find out.

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  Be careful.

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  I hope they don't find out that my relative is Hitler.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah. Hopefully they think I'm just a paedophile.

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  Remember what happened last time you locked up one of my relatives in my family?

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  Yeah, it's true.

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  Started getting ideas.

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  Wrote a book?

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  Did, wrote a little novel. He struggled.

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  Yeah. They didn't put him in prison for long enough. That was one of their errors. He tried to overthrow the government and they were like, right, you can go to prison for five months.

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  Yeah.

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  And you could have a nice cell and stuff and write a book.

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  Have you ever read that?

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  No.

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  No.

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  But when I was on the.

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  I thought you might have done just because of history.

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  No, but when I was on a trip, I was reading a big biography of Hitler by Ian Kershaw and one of the girls on the trip, it was a theatre trip, said, oh, I've bought that for my dad because I thought he'd like it. And she showed me, but she'd just bought it, Mein Kampf.

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  Right.

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  So I was like, yeah, I'd have a, maybe I'd buy Mein Kampf.

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  Yeah.

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  I haven't read it. I've sort of, I've read a book that talks about it quite a lot.

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  Can you buy it?

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  I'm not sure you can. Yeah, I mean, you can probably buy whatever you want, but I think probably not, probably not legally in Germany or maybe in some places.

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  I think they were still selling it for a long time and proceeds of it after the Second World War, proceeds of it went to.

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  They all went to that paedophile.

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  Went to that paedophile. No, no, they went to some Jewish foundation thing.

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  Yeah.

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  And even, and then eventually, but it was sort of like not well-known that that was going on. And then eventually they were like, oh no, I don't think we should be taking money from this.

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  Yeah. No, so I haven't, no, I don't know, I haven't read it, but it's quite sort of.

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  He makes himself out to be rather, rather more of a sort of.

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  He was lucky, he was lucky the geezer was such a lunatic.

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  Yes.

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  He was lucky, because, because he did have this thing about him that he thought he was sort of like sent here. He had, he had a sort of god complex.

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  That's exactly what I mean.

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  And he, and he just refused to believe. He'd be like, right, we should, um, let's go and invade Russia.

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  Yeah.

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  And everyone around him was going, oh, I don't know, man. Um, but it was this thing called, I can't remember what it is in German, living space.

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  Lebensraum.

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  Lebensraum, that's it, yeah. And he was like, let's go, they've got loads of space, haven't they?

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  Yeah.

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  Even though at the beginning.

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  And they're not using it. They're not even using it. All the people, yeah, but they're not using it.

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  Even, even though at the beginning, they were like, Hitler was like, oh, don't worry, Joseph, you're all right.

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  Yeah. Yeah, no, they had a pact.

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  We'll carve up Poland together.

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  There is a famous quote.

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  And then very quickly he was like, yeah, like, we're coming in.

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  Pretty incredible.

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  And he could, and he could not understand why, even though everyone was going, don't, no, don't do that, Hitler.

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  Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, one of his problems, I do mean this, as a, as a man and as a general, he was racist. So he thought that they'd win, because they were better. It's like, oh, it'll be easy, because four of, four, the four of them.

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  Yeah, it was purely that as well.

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  Can't even beat one of us. He's like, no, no, they can. They can. If anything, it seems like they're a bit better.

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  And in that thing, in Stalingrad, they had, um, some general there, who was apparently a rubbish general.

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  Yeah.

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  Little sort of like, didn't really have much experience or whatever. And Hitler was like, I'll just send him.

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  Yeah.

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  This is, this will be a piece of piss, just send him. Then obviously, they all got stuck in the city, didn't they?

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  They did.

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  And he's like trying to get message back to Hitler going, can we pull out of this? This isn't, this, you know, and he's like, he'd literally said like a few days before, oh, we've taken Stalingrad, everything's going great over there. So he was going, no, no, no, you've got to stay there.

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  Yeah.

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  And you've got, you've got, there's no retreat from this. And then he, um, he promoted the guy.

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  Right.

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  To, I don't think he was general, maybe he promoted him to general.

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  Well, again, I think, yeah.

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  And no general had ever retreated in his, in the history of Germany, right?

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  I see.

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  So he was then under pressure, and it was to try and make him kill himself.

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  Right. He was trying to get him to kill himself.

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  He was trying to get him to kill himself, rather than them have their first general, um, going retreat.

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  Well, again, I think two other, two other sort of.

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  He was a right wanker. He really was.

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  He was a real dickhead. But in the end, I do think his own ideology un, un, undid him. So first of all, he was a racist, and that makes you a bad general. And second, he was a fascist, which means that basically you think that the more fervently you hold a belief, the more likely it is to happen. So when people would come back and say, uh, just like, you know, all your men are starving to death and freezing to death. He'd say, well, they just don't believe, they're, they're not in it, they're not into it enough.

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  Their heart's not in it.

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  Their heart's not in it. Well, tell them to, you know, tell them they've really got to try.

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  Yeah.

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  Really, like, seriously try. And, um, so, yeah, there you go. And as for Stalin, I don't know, he just seemed like a, there's a famous quote that says, in 1940, the only person on planet Earth that Joseph Stalin trusted was Adolf Hitler. Because he was like so paranoid. And Stalin had kind of, the reason, the, the reason the Red Army was so crap to begin with, is because Stalin had killed most of the generals, because he thought they were plotting against him.

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  Yeah.

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  So it's a miracle, in a, in a sense.

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  But also he was so paranoid that he was getting information from, um, Japan, information from Britain. Like people going, Joe, mate, um, he's, he's gonna, he's about to invade. And he's going, no, no, no, we've signed this pact.

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  There was a point where he was invading, like the, I think that the, the things were crossing the border. I'm sure this, right, like, things were, like the, the Germans, like, units had crossed the border. And Stalin was like.

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  He went to, he went on holiday.

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  Yeah.

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  He went on holiday and all his like, the, the underlings, the people just below him, were like, we need to get him back to Moscow.

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  Yeah.

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  Because he's just sort of falling apart. Apparently like he got really upset.

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  There's a quote, there's a quote, I, I read, I read a Martin Amis book where he said that they went to his dasher, which is like his summer house.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  And they were like, um, the Nazis are invading. And he went, and, and he just looked absolutely, like, they, they honestly looked like, he, he might not be able to do it, he did utterly crushed.

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  Yeah.

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  And then he kind of went, he says something like, oh, what do you want me to do?

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  Yeah.

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  And they went, well, we're hoping you might sort of organise the defence of the country. And apparently he went,

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  fine.

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  It was just like.

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  Oh, just got here. Just got, we just packed all the car and everything.

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  It was honestly that. It was like, it was, yeah. Well, we've got to go, what, now?

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  Oh, what? You should, I can't, what, and I can't do it from here?

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  I've got dinner reservations at six.

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  I've got to go to Moscow, have I?

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  Fuck's sake. He was like, fuck's sake.

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  All right. Well, you can tell my wife. I'm not fucking telling her.

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  Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, it was quite a weird, a weird start to that, to that war, let's say.

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  Yeah.

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  A weird, weird way for the war to begin.

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  Right. Joe's closing his eyes again.

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  Sorry.

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  Let's, uh, shall we get into, have we done anything?

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  You've done some stuff. I mean, yeah, I, I was just trying to trace back from butter and peanut butter to then Stalin. But you know what? There's a clear route into it.

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  That's good.

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  Yeah.

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  Okay.

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  Um, if we want another route, the Nazis, I've probably already said this, they made butter from, um, a byproduct of the coal, uh, processing.

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  Right.

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  Process.

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  Is that right?

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  Yeah.

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  And also like bueno and Ferrero Rocher.

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  They're all made out of.

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  Uh, because there was such a chocolate, chocolate shortage, they're like, oh, we should use hazelnuts a bit more.

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  Turns out, really delicious.

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  Yeah. They were spoiling them.

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• 18:36Speaker 04

  Right, everyone, listeners.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  Is everyone, hello?

• 18:41Speaker 03

  Is everyone sitting?

• 18:42Speaker 04

  Hello, guys? Hello?

• 18:47Speaker 03

  Is everyone sitting quietly?

• 18:50Speaker 04

  Right, everyone. Everyone at home, listeners and watchers, I don't think people should watch. I preferred it when people just listened.

• 19:00Speaker 03

  The podcast is a good car thing for me.

• 19:05Speaker 03

  It's a good old car thing.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, or running.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, all that stuff. Yeah, walking the dog. I always have a podcast.

• 19:10Speaker 04

  But now everyone has to see everything and they comment on your shoes.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  Have you listened to Finn vs History yet?

• 19:16Speaker 04

  No.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  Oh, you've got, you've got to listen to that.

• 19:18Speaker 04

  Oh, well. Do you want to know what I listen to?

• 19:21Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 19:22Speaker 04

  Uh, two football ones.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 19:25Speaker 04

  Totally Football Show and The Guardian Football Weekly.

• 19:28Speaker 03

  Right. You don't do the Rest Is Football?

• 19:31Speaker 04

  No.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  Or Goal Hangers?

• 19:32Speaker 04

  No.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Where the bants, the bants is flying.

• 19:36Speaker 04

  I can't add a third one. I quite like, I'm not much into the, I quite like fairly rigorous. I quite like analysis. I don't want a bit of banter, but I quite like. I have enough banter on, you know, on here. This is, this is the home banter.

• 19:51Speaker 03

  Full of banter.

• 19:52Speaker 04

  You know, that'd be like, I, I work in like the Fat Duck. That'd be like going after I've finished my shift and going to, you know, kebab shop and, do you know what I mean? It wouldn't be the same.

• 20:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:06Speaker 03

  Is that Blumenthal's place?

• 20:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think he's not there anymore because I think he had something like a mental breakdown.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  Drove himself mad?

• 20:14Speaker 04

  He went a bit mad. I think he was working too hard.

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:16Speaker 04

  He was trying, he, there's 24 hours in a day and he, I think he was trying to work about 21 of them.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:21Speaker 04

  And you're thinking, that's too many to do on work.

• 20:25Speaker 03

  You hear about that? About kitchens and chefs and stuff all the time?

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, that industry seems quite, it has a sort of Foreign Legion quality where it's like you almost can kind of drop out of society.

• 20:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's just food.

• 20:40Speaker 04

  I know, it is honestly just food, isn't it? Just.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  I like it.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  As long as there's butter in it.

• 20:46Speaker 04

  Well, that's the thing. I often wonder whether they actually eat that stuff when they go home. I want to go to chefs. What do you have when you get home?

• 20:53Speaker 03

  They just.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  Give me that, cook me that.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  Well, they, they make themselves a nice sandwich or something.

• 20:57Speaker 04

  I bet they do. Well, just make me that. That's fine.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:01Speaker 04

  I don't really need to, I don't need the boundaries of food pushed any further than they're already being pushed. I'm happy with where we are. I'm very Carl Pilkington with food. We don't need any more inventions. We've got, we've got all the main vegetables. We've got all the meats.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  Blumenthal was the, was the opposite.

• 21:18Speaker 04

  Well, he wanted to.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  It was like a laboratory, wasn't it?

• 21:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  All the stuff he was doing.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  It was.

• 21:24Speaker 04

  But what I quite liked about Blumenthal was that he was, because he was self-taught, he wasn't snobby. Like, I think he was always very clear that he wanted, he didn't want like a really grand wine list. He wanted stuff where you could, you could buy something even if you didn't have.

• 21:38Speaker 03

  I'm a fan. I think he's a genius.

• 21:40Speaker 04

  I'm a fan as well.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  But I do, I do think he.

• 21:43Speaker 04

  I do think he went a bit, a bit mad.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:45Speaker 04

  He went a bit mad. But again, that's why I'm a fan. I mean, I love people who go a bit mad.

• 21:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:49Speaker 04

  That's kind of my, that's my thing really is like.

• 21:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, you love those sort of mental geniuses, don't you?

• 21:55Speaker 04

  I think being mad is a more honest response to the world, to be honest. I think really sanity is just the first stage of madness. It's just like the, the anti-chamber to being a full human, which is you're mad. The honest state is like, you're mad. And then before that, there's a bit where you're kind of, sort of.

• 22:10Speaker 03

  Still trying to cling on to.

• 22:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, so, you know.

• 22:13Speaker 03

  To not be mad.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  What have we got?

• 22:16Speaker 04

  Just relax into your madness.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  What have we got, what have we got going on, Joe?

• 22:20Speaker 04

  Okay, so this is, um.

• 22:22Speaker 03

  We've got some correspondence.

• 22:23Speaker 04

  We've got some correspondence. Now, you've been sending us some Fact Up, uh, stuff. You've been sending in some Fact Up stuff for us to discuss. And here is one.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  I believed, I believed you when you said that then.

• 22:38Speaker 04

  Thanks.

• 22:38Speaker 03

  That was with so much enthusiasm, Joe.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Oh, well, I, you know.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  Is it because you're annoyed because you, you fluffed it the first time you tried to say it?

• 22:46Speaker 04

  No, I'm not annoyed. I.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  I think you were a bit annoyed. You got a bit annoyed. You, you said it and then you were like, right, I'm just going to say like this now then.

• 22:53Speaker 04

  Don't worry about me.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  Stupid sentence.

• 22:55Speaker 04

  I've never felt better.

• 22:57Speaker 04

  Um, this is from Richard via the Fact Up WhatsApp, uh, and this is a, a message about Venus causing parenting problems.

• 23:06Speaker 03

  Right, I'm in.

• 23:08Speaker 04

  Hi, John James. Firstly, thanks very much. You've managed to completely derail what should have been a simple conversation with my seven-year-old daughter.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  I'm sorry about that. I know that conversations with daughters can be more complicated than you expect. After hearing the fact that a day on Venus is longer than a year on Venus, I confidently thought, I'll explain that. How hard can it be? Well, that was your first mistake. Five minutes later, I was being asked, so do you have a birthday every day then? So is it Christmas every day then? So a day isn't actually a day then? All good questions.

• 23:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  At this point, I realised I was in well over my head and questioning everything I'd ever known about calendars.

• 23:46Speaker 04

  Oh, if you can't rely on calendars.

• 23:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:51Speaker 04

  So here's my question.

• 23:54Speaker 04

  If you lived on Venus, when would you celebrate your birthday? Every Venus year, because you've gone around the sun, or every Venus day, because that's what we'd normally think of as a day? Or do Venusians just avoid the whole issue because they're too busy melting? Please settle this before Emily starts telling her teacher birthdays aren't real. Cheers, Richard. Well, um, first of all, let me just try and work out.

• 24:20Speaker 03

  Well.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  What the fact was to begin with. So a day on.

• 24:23Speaker 03

  Trying to explain to a seven-year-old girl why a day is longer than a year on Venus.

• 24:28Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  Okay, so basically it takes Venus a lot longer to turn around itself than it does to go around the sun.

• 24:36Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 24:38Speaker 03

  That's all you can tell her and I'm sure she'll eventually understand the concept.

• 24:43Speaker 04

  I think the answer is.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  But with the birthday thing, um, I would go back to, um, that they're too busy melting. Venus is famously really inhospitable. I think they, I think the Russians managed to land something on Venus. I think it survived for about four minutes before it packed up.

• 25:03Speaker 04

  Okay. But had it had a birthday? That's my question.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  Well, it was only there for four minutes.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  So it had fucking ages to go before there was either a year or a day.

• 25:15Speaker 03

  But, but what I would say to a seven-year-old is, um, celebrate it on the year because that's shorter than the day.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  That's a good, um.

• 25:22Speaker 03

  And you get to have your birthday sooner than it would for the sun to go down.

• 25:29Speaker 04

  But I, I think though that, that the answer is that you would celebrate it when it's finished its orbit. So if you had, if you had a hundred and, if you had a year that lasted, I don't know, 50 days in as much as we think of it.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:43Speaker 04

  You would just, you'd have a birthday every 50 days.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  How long does it take for Mars to go around the sun? Because the days are very similar. I think Mars is like 22 hours or something like that. So it wouldn't be a big shock.

• 25:58Speaker 04

  Is that why Elon Musk is trying to go to Mars?

• 26:00Speaker 03

  Because I just think out of all the planets in our solar system, Mars is the easiest one to.

• 26:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:05Speaker 05

  Because Mars takes around 687 Earth days to complete one orbit around the sun.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  Christ.

• 26:13Speaker 03

  So you do, you do every half year, you'd have a birthday?

• 26:18Speaker 03

  Maybe?

• 26:20Speaker 03

  You'd have two calendars per year.

• 26:22Speaker 04

  It is a good question though, because actually, so 50 days go by, whatever it is on Venus. So like, let's say it's 50 days. So 50 days, you are born on Venus.

• 26:31Speaker 03

  Right.

• 26:32Speaker 04

  50 days later, it's your birthday. You're now one.

• 26:36Speaker 03

  50 days.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  But, but a day hasn't passed.

• 26:39Speaker 03

  Right. 50 Earth days, are you saying?

• 26:43Speaker 04

  50 Earth days. So let's say for the sake of argument, a day on Venus is, uh, is 100 Earth days. But a year is 50 Earth days. I don't know if that's true. So you would, you would, you, it would have gone, so that the bigger unit is, is in fact the day.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  You're right.

• 27:04Speaker 04

  So maybe what you should say is,

• 27:08Speaker 04

  I was, maybe you should flip them. So you have a birth year and then you say, I won't have another birth year until next day.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Right.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  Does that make sense?

• 27:20Speaker 03

  I think we should just do what Britain did when it started conquering the world.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  Just.

• 27:26Speaker 03

  Just have Britain and then just plus.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  Just still have Greenwich.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  GMT.

• 27:32Speaker 04

  GMT.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, because like I've had to have phone calls from LA and stuff and trying to organise, that's really difficult.

• 27:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:39Speaker 03

  Imagine trying to fucking, you've got a mate on Mars and you need to sort of catch up with them. When did you make the phone call?

• 27:48Speaker 03

  When's a good time for both of you?

• 27:49Speaker 04

  It's a nightmare.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  It is. So yeah, Richard, I think we've cleared that up.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  And if your daughter doesn't understand anything that we've just said just then, um, she's an idiot. Um, no, she's not.

• 28:03Speaker 04

  She actually sounds very clever.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, she sounds very inquisitive and.

• 28:06Speaker 04

  Sounds too clever. I, I.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know exactly what Richard's going through with clever kids, kids that ask the sort of logical questions and you just have to go. Because it's just the way it is. Just trust me on this one.

• 28:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, just, come on.

• 28:23Speaker 03

  Just trust me. Um, shall we move on to fact check, Joe?

• 28:26Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  It's fact check time.

• 28:34Speaker 03

  It's reading. It's reading's the problem.

• 28:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  Um. This is the part of the show where we, uh, where you send us a fact or a question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. Then we're going to have a good old think during the break and then we'll come back and let you know how true it feels to us to decide whether it passes our fact check.

• 28:51Speaker 04

  Okay, so this week's fact check comes from Deb.

• 28:53Speaker 03

  Deb.

• 28:55Speaker 04

  Deb. Deb.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  Debbie.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  Debbie.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  Go on, Deb.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  Deb Lynam.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 29:04Speaker 04

  Uh, and, uh, Deb filled in our Fact Up form. Um, she took the time and I for one thank her.

• 29:16Speaker 04

  She says, if you are being tickled and want to not react, put your hands over the tickler's hands. This tricks your brain into thinking you're tickling yourself.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  Or finger up the arse. No, that's dogs. If dogs bite you.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  Or cigarette up the arse. That's, um.

• 29:37Speaker 03

  It's blowing smoke. Um, listen, let's have a little break and then we'll, we'll, we'll have some thoughts about that. Cheers, Deb. See you in a sec.

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• 31:32Speaker 03

  Um, right. We're back. Welcome back to John James Fact Up. We were just fact checking on behalf of Deb, who said to not react to being tickled, you must put your hands over the tickler's hands.

• 31:46Speaker 04

  And then your brain thinks that it's you tickling.

• 31:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:50Speaker 04

  Um, right, well.

• 31:53Speaker 03

  I feel like that this could be an experiment.

• 31:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:58Speaker 03

  I just don't really like being touched or touching other people, though, is the only problem.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  That's okay. No, I was, I had the same thought. I was thinking, do we, do we need to do this? But I don't, it's fine.

• 32:08Speaker 03

  If you're not prepared.

• 32:09Speaker 04

  That's okay. Well, let's just, um.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  I don't, it will really, this podcast is really hit a new low if it's just me and you tickling each other.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  Tickling, tickling.

• 32:26Speaker 05

  Not too far from.

• 32:26Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, it would make a virtue of the, the visual component, I suppose.

• 32:31Speaker 03

  Speaking of the office, not that we were, I just quoted it. Have you watched the Gervais thing on YouTube at all?

• 32:37Speaker 04

  No.

• 32:38Speaker 03

  I've not either. Have you watched it?

• 32:39Speaker 04

  Is it?

• 32:40Speaker 05

  Didn't know it was on YouTube.

• 32:41Speaker 03

  He did. He's got a YouTube channel.

• 32:43Speaker 05

  Oh, I did see that, yeah.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  And he's, he's made a 25th special video, special YouTube video.

• 32:50Speaker 05

  No, I haven't watched that.

• 32:50Speaker 03

  But I've not watched it.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  No.

• 32:53Speaker 03

  I've not watched it.

• 32:54Speaker 04

  No.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  I would have liked to have had something a bit more, I mean, not that we can fucking talk about retrospective TV shows, but I would have liked to.

• 33:07Speaker 04

  We've set the bar pretty high, so good luck.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  I know that Martin Freeman and Mackenzie Crook did a thing for BBC Four, which again, I still not watched. Um.

• 33:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:25Speaker 03

  I just think, I just, you know, also having done one, I just think they're pointless.

• 33:32Speaker 04

  What, like a remake type thing?

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Not a remake, no, like a retrospective. I think it makes more sense, like me and you doing a podcast.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  This feels like.

• 33:41Speaker 03

  And then every now and again, we talk about a thing that we did while we were doing the Inbetweeners.

• 33:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:45Speaker 03

  That feels more interesting, and if you were an Inbetweeners fan, having us sort of speak candidly and sort of honestly, rather than sort of making some kind of format out of it, I don't know.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, retrospective is more of a sort of rambling format, isn't it, really? I think it's.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  Do you know what? I can't stop thinking about your thing that you, you know, when you said, like, it's only recently that people like look into the past so much.

• 34:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:12Speaker 03

  Because even when you look at like films.

• 34:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  And novels and stuff, like, I think, I think we're like past the original year of Blade Runner, or, and The Terminator, and, and all those films like that, where by now we were supposed to be in flying cars and stuff, and in, in these sort of futuristic.

• 34:34Speaker 04

  Well, we do have mind-blowing technology. I mean, when I, I kind of, you know, if I'm in a city, I had to park in Brighton, and my car park was up a road that said, you can't drive up this road. And I went on to the AI bit of, I'd pre-booked a car parking space, but I couldn't get to it because Brighton's full of these pedestrianized streets. And I was like, it's physically impossible for me to get to my car parking space. So I went in and just put into like Google, like, can I drive up, I don't know, South Street to get to the Just Park car park? And it was like, yeah, don't worry, you can always do this. There'll be, and it just, it's, it's mind-blowing that there's something that, I know that in a sense, it's just a kind of, it's a really sophisticated machine that

• 35:18Speaker 04

  kind of is really good at predicting what word is going to come next. But like, that is, that is kind of mind-blowing. But then, on the other hand, you've still got people like delivering food by bicycle as, as kind of a massive part of our.

• 35:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not enough robots.

• 35:36Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  Symbionts. What are they called in Blade Runner?

• 35:40Speaker 04

  Oh, the simulants or something.

• 35:41Speaker 03

  Simulants, yeah.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, it's not, I suppose, the, the genre that I think most accurately sort predicts the future is, is that one called steampunk, where it's like, you've got this incredibly high technology, but also this stuff that's held together with gaffer tape and like, you know, you'll have, you've got, you've got a phone that can, you know, speak in natural language and understand natural language, but at the same time, it's sort of blue tack to the dashboard of a car or something like that, that to me is.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  The, um, who's that geezer? It's one of the most famous people in the world. He slapped Chris Rock. Will Smith.

• 36:14Speaker 04

  Will Smith, yeah.

• 36:15Speaker 03

  The Wild Wild West film.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's steampunk.

• 36:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right. So it's like all technology, but it's round and cold.

• 36:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:22Speaker 03

  Sort of thing.

• 36:23Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 36:23Speaker 03

  Brilliant.

• 36:24Speaker 04

  But the other, but the other thing about like the, about kind of.

• 36:26Speaker 05

  You'll do anything up to tickle one another.

• 36:29Speaker 04

  I know, it's like we're making all the conversation. Oh, what about this weather, eh?

• 36:33Speaker 03

  We should get back to them.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  Just very quick, I think the, the other thing about kind of, about retrospective, sort of the retrospective nature of everything, is that sometimes it does feel to me as though we are just chewing over the same old content. Like, it does, like the fact that, was it during the pandemic, like the number one show on Netflix was Friends?

• 36:54Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 36:55Speaker 04

  And I suppose it seems as though.

• 36:59Speaker 03

  I used to love Friends.

• 37:00Speaker 04

  It's like we're putting the same stuff back into the machine. And even those amazing large language models, what they're doing is they're reading what's, they're constantly looking at the past. They're constantly looking at everything that's been written up until this point, and then using that as the, sort of, as the way they train themselves. I don't know. I suppose I'm saying, it's on the shelves that we've run out of, run out of story.

• 37:23Speaker 03

  What are we saying about this thing? See, I just don't know. I don't know. I, I, I don't, I just don't know.

• 37:30Speaker 04

  It's a fascinating.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  I'd like it to be true.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  It's hard to tickle yourself, I guess is the.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can't tickle yourself, can you?

• 37:38Speaker 04

  You can't. Can you not? I think the soles of my feet are so tickly that I.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  I'm really ticklish.

• 37:47Speaker 04

  What's the most ticklish bit? For me, it's the soles of my feet.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  Under my armpits is quite tickly.

• 37:54Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  And my belly.

• 37:58Speaker 04

  Oh, like a baby.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. My kids, uh, my kids know how ticklish I am, and they try and tickle me. To be fair, this, I'm going back a few years now. They don't do it anymore, which is a shame. But I used to have to, like, when they were little.

• 38:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  And I'd like just be lying in bed with them or something, and we'd watch a bit of TV or something in bed. And then they'd like have a little wrestle, and then they'd start tickling me. And I'd have to go, you can't, like, that's really dangerous, because I will just like fling you across the room or something. Like, I'm gonna hurt you if you keep tickling me.

• 38:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  But they, that just made them want to do it even more. I'd be screaming with laughter.

• 38:40Speaker 04

  Have you seen the documentary Tickled?

• 38:42Speaker 03

  No, what's that?

• 38:43Speaker 04

  Uh, it's, um, a New Zealand.

• 38:46Speaker 03

  Never even heard of it.

• 38:47Speaker 04

  It's a New Zealand filmmaker who stumbles across a, a kind of internet subculture of people who are kind of into seeing videos of, it's kind of like blokes being tickled.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  Right.

• 39:04Speaker 04

  And he kind of, he thinks it's kind of quite funny, and he kind of digs away at it, and then he starts.

• 39:10Speaker 03

  Was it like a fetish thing?

• 39:11Speaker 04

  It's basically a fetish, yeah. And then he starts getting these really threatening emails telling him to kind of back off. Um, and.

• 39:21Speaker 03

  Why, what's he, what's he doing?

• 39:23Speaker 04

  There's a guy who's basically getting these videos made for himself.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  Right.

• 39:33Speaker 04

  And it's basically a bloke's tickling other blokes, basically. And he obviously probably gets off on it in some way. But if you see the videos, you're like, this is pretty, you know, all right, it's quite vanilla, really. Like, if it's not your thing, you're just like, well, okay, fine. Doesn't seem like a massive problem, like the men are, men are being paid, they know what the deal is. They don't really have to do anything that horrible. But when this documentary maker wants to kind of contact him, he goes absolutely fucking crazy.

• 39:58Speaker 03

  Right. Oh, so what? He wanted to make, oh, right.

• 40:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, so yeah, yeah, that's right. So basically.

• 40:03Speaker 03

  It's because he was making a documentary about it, where the bloke's.

• 40:05Speaker 04

  It's because he's making a documentary about it, and the guy gets really, really touchy about it.

• 40:08Speaker 03

  Right.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  Uh, yes, I, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Which would probably turned him on as well. He was like, oh, stop, oh, stop it. Stop making a documentary. I put my hands over your hands while you're making it. Um, and, um, it's really good. But there's a good bit at the end where he kind of goes, he rings up the guy's, I don't know, wife or something. And you can see that he doesn't quite know how to frame it, because he doesn't know how much she knows or like.

• 40:43Speaker 04

  Uh, it's, it's like she, he's never contacted her before and he doesn't know whether she knows about her husband's kind of tickling stuff. Uh, and he doesn't really know what to say.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  Right.

• 40:56Speaker 04

  And you can see that he's like, how do I introduce this? And he basically just goes, oh, he's sort of back with the tickling stuff. And it's just like, and she gets what he means. I haven't explained that very well. Basically, I'm just like, that's the bit I remember.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  Um, for Deb, for Deb's, Deb's dilemma.

• 41:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  Um, I'm gonna go back to good old fashioned fact up rules in that I like it. So as far as I'm concerned, I'm gonna be passing on that fact to other people.

• 41:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think, I think this is a classic example of it sounds good.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:29Speaker 04

  And therefore it's fact up.

• 41:31Speaker 03

  It's fact up.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  Fact up. Um, should we? I would also quite like to hear from the Queen, I think.

• 41:36Speaker 03

  We'd better.

• 41:38Speaker 05

  Okay, so I've done a little bit of, uh, looking.

• 41:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:41Speaker 05

  And so basically, um, the reason you can't apparently tickle yourself, and obviously we've spoken how we, we can in some ways, but the main reason you can't tickle yourself in the same way that others can is because of your, um, cerebellum tracks in your motor movements. That basically predicts your sensory feedback. So it's predicting the movements and how they'll make you feel.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  It's not shock.

• 42:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:04Speaker 05

  So that's why it doesn't hit the same. But if you were to place your hands in the same place that someone else did, it may interfere with that and actually mean that it would, would work.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:16Speaker 05

  That, that the predictors would then see what their movement is the same as your movement and make the tickles less effective. So.

• 42:23Speaker 04

  Really interesting.

• 42:24Speaker 05

  Fact up.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  Interesting stuff. It's fact up.

• 42:27Speaker 05

  Up.

• 42:28Speaker 03

  It's fact up. Thanks for that one, Deb.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  Thank you, Deb. That's, that's, um.

• 42:32Speaker 05

  Good bit of life advice as well.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 04

  Good bit of life advice. You never know when you, it's like knowing the Heimlich maneuver, isn't it?

• 42:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:37Speaker 04

  It's good. You never know when it's gonna come up.

• 42:38Speaker 03

  It's the same with stabbing. Someone stabbing you.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  You, but yeah, oh, it doesn't hurt.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:45Speaker 05

  Except if you stab yourself, it doesn't really, it doesn't really work, does it?

• 42:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:48Speaker 03

  Uh, here.

• 42:49Speaker 04

  And that's why they go, why are you punching yourself?

• 42:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself?

• 42:55Speaker 04

  You go, I'm not. You're doing it. But I don't listen.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  No.

• 42:59Speaker 04

  I know it's them.

• 43:00Speaker 03

  That is just, even as a kid, I was like, you are route one, mate.

• 43:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  Think outside the box.

• 43:07Speaker 04

  I know.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  Uh, Joe, it's time for my fact.

• 43:11Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 43:11Speaker 03

  I've got a fact this week.

• 43:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  I think you're next week, even though I was last week.

• 43:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, doesn't matter.

• 43:18Speaker 04

  It's okay.

• 43:18Speaker 03

  I've got one here for you. Again, nice and quick.

• 43:21Speaker 04

  Go on.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  Um, it is, uh, I'm going, I'm go, I'm, I'm on a bit of a space thing at the moment.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:27Speaker 03

  So my last one was about Venus.

• 43:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  This one's a little bit about space.

• 43:31Speaker 04

  I've got a space one as well next week.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  I, I, it's just, I'm just watching a lot of space stuff at the moment. Um, and all my facts for the foreseeable future will be via Simon Whistler. Um, so if you've already heard this, Sos, um, but he is basically how I get all my outside information these days. Um, so, Joe.

• 43:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:54Speaker 03

  You know, they say there are more stars than grains of sand on Earth.

• 44:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  Yeah?

• 44:02Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 44:02Speaker 03

  That's the saying, isn't it?

• 44:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:03Speaker 03

  I think I've garbled it a little bit.

• 44:05Speaker 04

  No, I've heard stuff.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  There are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on Earth.

• 44:11Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  Which is great, isn't it?

• 44:14Speaker 04

  That's, it's good to know.

• 44:14Speaker 03

  It's a good fact.

• 44:15Speaker 04

  And each of those stars could support life.

• 44:17Speaker 03

  Well, yeah. Um, it's now been estimated that there are between five and 10 sextillion. That's 21 zeros, uh, uh, uh, of grains of sand on every beach on Earth combined.

• 44:31Speaker 04

  21 sextillion.

• 44:34Speaker 03

  No, five to 10 sextillion.

• 44:35Speaker 04

  Sextillion, okay, five to 10, 21 zeros.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  Which is a huge number.

• 44:41Speaker 04

  Huge, huge.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  Absolutely massive. However, this is still nowhere near the amount of stars in the universe, which is estimated to be one septillion, which is 24 zeros.

• 44:51Speaker 04

  24 zeros. That's incredible. That's incredible.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  What are we worried about?

• 44:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 45:00Speaker 03

  Are you looking for Lieben's Fall? What's it called?

• 45:02Speaker 04

  Leibniz Realm.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  Leibniz Realm.

• 45:04Speaker 04

  Don't be looking in Russia.

• 45:05Speaker 03

  No, look up there, mate.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  Or if you're a small creature, look on the beach.

• 45:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 04

  There's plenty.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:12Speaker 04

  Beach, space, depending on size. Not Russia.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  So there's my fact for you, Joe.

• 45:19Speaker 04

  That's amazing. Um, and what do you, do you think there's any, there's any aliens out there?

• 45:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's gotta be in there.

• 45:26Speaker 04

  I'd like to think there's at least something like a moss or something.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  No, no, no. I, I, I think there are genuinely, uh, there's intelligent life. Yeah. Good ones, interesting ones.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, good one. I'm gonna have a go at, you know.

• 45:37Speaker 03

  I do think, I think, I think there's definitely, definitely some, a bit of, like you say, a bit of moss or a bit of bacteria. Um, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bit of that going on in our very own solar system.

• 45:52Speaker 04

  Um, well, there was, wasn't there water on Mars?

• 45:54Speaker 03

  There was water on Mars. I think there's still water locked in its poles as ice. Um, but what's the, uh, one of the moons there? Is it one of the Saturn ones? Begins with a T.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  Apparently it's got loads of water. It's got way more water than Earth.

• 46:16Speaker 05

  Is it Titan?

• 46:17Speaker 03

  Titan, yeah, I think it's Titan. Um, I think it's got more water than Earth, there's Titan. Um, and they're think, they're, and, and it's, there's something going on because there's some sort of activity. Like we've, we've observed some sort of eruption or gas or water vapor or something coming, forcing its way through the, the ice crust of Titan. Um, so they're thinking, what if there's like those hot springs, those underwater hot springs, what are they called?

• 46:51Speaker 04

  Oh, geezers or something like that.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, but you know, the underwater ones, but they have low, they're just so mineral rich and stuff like that and life can just.

• 47:01Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, I know. Yeah. It's a sort of, um.

• 47:07Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 47:07Speaker 03

  Like they're crusted, they're crusted with like coral, like deep sea coral or whatever, or I don't know what it is. But they're thinking there's quite a big chance that there's probably something going on under the ice sheets of, of Titan.

• 47:22Speaker 04

  That'd be good. I'd like it if something.

• 47:24Speaker 03

  Also, it might not be Titan.

• 47:26Speaker 05

  Well, I did look, I just looked it up and it did say Titan has an abundance of water locked in, uh, solid ice under the moon's bedrock.

• 47:35Speaker 05

  And it says it's a, it's a slushy layer.

• 47:38Speaker 03

  It's a slushy layer.

• 47:39Speaker 05

  Slushy layer.

• 47:39Speaker 04

  Delicious.

• 47:40Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  Blue raspberry.

• 47:42Speaker 03

  It was slush puppy layer. I don't.

• 47:43Speaker 04

  They got drink, they got drinks and they got, it's a drink planet.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  Well, that's where slush puppies come from.

• 47:50Speaker 03

  What if they had little puppies that lived there?

• 47:53Speaker 04

  There's no life. Oh, there's puppies. Sorry, I forgot the puppies.

• 47:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're slushing about.

• 47:56Speaker 04

  I wonder sometimes with life, like, I'm sort of.

• 47:59Speaker 03

  That's a unbelievable, by the way.

• 48:01Speaker 04

  It is, isn't it?

• 48:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:02Speaker 04

  A hush puppy.

• 48:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:04Speaker 04

  It's everywhere.

• 48:05Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah.

• 48:06Speaker 04

  They're everywhere.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Once you start, once you start.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  Watch out.

• 48:09Speaker 03

  Once you're aware of.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 03

  Pun, pun believable, they're, they're all over the place.

• 48:13Speaker 04

  They're in your house. You can find them everywhere.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  Before we go, Joe.

• 48:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:23Speaker 03

  Uh, we've got a voice note.

• 48:25Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 48:25Speaker 03

  From some guy called Brad.

• 48:28Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 48:28Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  Let's hear what Brad's got to say.

• 48:31Speaker 06

  Charlie James, I've listened to your, uh, podcast since it started and I love it. It's just two mates just chatting. Absolute nonsense that I like to do with my mates and you've made something out of it. So well done. And I just listened to the bit where Joe mentioned about getting botox under his arms. And it took me back to a time when I just turned 18, back when you could go around a nightclub, people were still smoking, the good old days. And I don't sweat from anywhere apart from my armpits, only place I sweat from. And my friend told me about this roll on stuff that you'd roll on your armpits in the evening. It would tingle and sting to hell. Uh, the next day you wouldn't sweat from it.

• 49:16Speaker 06

  And it was a life changer. I went out and bought the most expensive T-shirt I think I've ever bought at the time. And I was 18 and it was about 40 quid for that T-shirt and it was grey. Couldn't get away with wearing grey. And I remember walking around the nightclub, looking, no sweat patches. But what it didn't tell you was, you have to perspire from somewhere. So what I hadn't realised is my whole back was wringing wet because the sweat has to come out from somewhere and.

• 49:49Speaker 06

  It was an idea. So not really a fact, just a story.

• 49:55Speaker 04

  It's a fact.

• 49:55Speaker 06

  Brad from Sheffield. Keep, keep up the good work, lads.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  Nice one, Brad. Cheers for that.

• 50:02Speaker 04

  I mean. I've had that stuff recommended to me and it didn't work for me. I, I.

• 50:09Speaker 03

  Wasn't there some sort of, um, medieval plague, medieval thing where it stopped you from sweating and your body just cooked or something? I feel like that's.

• 50:22Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 50:23Speaker 03

  I feel like that's something that happened in the dark ages. There was that thing where people danced themselves to death or something, a whole village.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. And it kind of, it was contagious. It was weird. You suddenly find.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  But yeah, Brad, you are absolutely right. You do have to sweat.

• 50:36Speaker 04

  You've got to get it out from somewhere.

• 50:37Speaker 03

  And I would say we need to stop sweat shaming.

• 50:42Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 50:43Speaker 03

  I think it's a natural bodily function.

• 50:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  By the way, sweat doesn't mean that you smell. Sweat's got nothing to do with body odor. As long as you go home and shower after you've been sweating.

• 50:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:54Speaker 03

  You're fine.

• 50:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. Because old sweat is.

• 50:56Speaker 03

  Old sweat is the, is the problem. Yeah. But you have to sweat. You'll die.

• 51:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:01Speaker 03

  It's your body regulating i- its heat. You'll be really, really ill if you can't sweat.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:08Speaker 03

  Which I believe is what I said to you when you were talking about botox in your armpits.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  He's also right about grey. Grey is a complete nightmare.

• 51:17Speaker 03

  Grey shows up a lot, yeah.

• 51:18Speaker 04

  Nightmare. You, you, I mean, basically you want, white's actually quite good.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  White's fine. Black.

• 51:24Speaker 04

  Black, white or black? Yeah.

• 51:25Speaker 03

  Grey's really bad. I am, I, I, a couple of times I've worn grey jogging bottoms while I take my kid to, um, ice hockey practice. And then at the end of the day, I help him take his skates off and I lift his skate up.

• 51:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:43Speaker 03

  And I wedge his foot in between my legs.

• 51:46Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:46Speaker 03

  So that I can undo it all and stuff like that. And then obviously there's like wet ice and stuff. And it just looks like I've pissed all over myself.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. No, grey's a nightmare. It's not your friend. It, it, it can't keep a secret.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  Don't trust grays.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  Don't just, don't trust grey with your secrets. Trust white.

• 52:04Speaker 03

  We're all for, um, we're not, you know, we don't see colour, but grays.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  Grays, yeah. The, the only prejudice we have.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  They're against grays.

• 52:13Speaker 04

  Grays.

• 52:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  Have you seen The Grey? It's about a wolf.

• 52:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, I've seen it.

• 52:19Speaker 04

  It's got a really weird line in it where he goes, these wolves, they don't fuck around and they don't give a fuck about nuts or berries. Stupid line. Fucking stupid line.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  I am shocked that you've seen that film.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  I've only seen that line and I thought, fucking L. Neeson, they've got you saying some right old shit in this.

• 52:34Speaker 03

  You've not watched the film?

• 52:35Speaker 04

  It contains the line, they don't give a fuck about nuts or berries.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  No.

• 52:39Speaker 04

  That's a shit line.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  I tell you something.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  How did that get through? They, I mean, uh, some of the lines that end up in films, you're like, you've had so much time to get that better.

• 52:48Speaker 03

  I'd say, listen, it's Neeson. He's a bo-, he's a drawer. He's a box office drawer.

• 52:52Speaker 04

  I'm not blaming Neeson.

• 52:53Speaker 03

  It is Neeson. And I love those, don't get me wrong, he's an incredible actor and he's got some, a really fine body of work.

• 53:03Speaker 04

  He's a factor.

• 53:05Speaker 03

  Um, but he, uh, I love his, um, post taken career. I absolutely love it.

• 53:13Speaker 04

  He's very funny on extras.

• 53:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's really funny. Yeah, yeah. He's really good. But he's, uh, no, not extras, is it?

• 53:20Speaker 04

  No, it's life too short. Yeah.

• 53:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, but he, uh, me and Claire are like, I'll come home one day and Claire will be like, Neeson's got a new film. There's a new Neeson film. We're like, right, that we're sorted, Friday night. Get a takeaway, watch Neeson fight some wolves.

• 53:36Speaker 04

  I'd like to watch The Grey in, in its entirety.

• 53:39Speaker 03

  I don't think you'd like it.

• 53:40Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:41Speaker 03

  I think it'd make you angry.

• 53:42Speaker 04

  Why? Because it's a bit.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Because there's things that I watch that do make me angry as well as an out of work actor. And I'm like, well, I mean, I could have done that. And that's what you wanted. I, I think that you'll be like, uh, that's all you need to know about that film.

• 53:58Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  They don't give a fuck about nuts or berries.

• 54:00Speaker 04

  Well, this is the thing, when, when I've not worked.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  It is fun. It's great fun. It's a good fun film.

• 54:05Speaker 04

  I like a monster film.

• 54:07Speaker 03

  Right.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  I do like a monster film.

• 54:09Speaker 03

  New Godzilla film coming out. Oh, we should probably mention, as of recording, um, Dr. Grant.

• 54:16Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 54:16Speaker 03

  Sam Neill passed away y- yesterday.

• 54:19Speaker 04

  Really sad.

• 54:20Speaker 03

  That really fucking, I was like, oh.

• 54:23Speaker 04

  That feels like part of your childhood ripped out. Yeah.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was gutted.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:29Speaker 03

  Um.

• 54:30Speaker 04

  I really liked his sort of, his vibe.

• 54:33Speaker 03

  He was brilliant in Peaky Blinders as well. Had a great character in that.

• 54:38Speaker 04

  I haven't seen Peaky Blinders.

• 54:40Speaker 03

  Peaky Blinders is good. The first, yeah, the fir-, especially the first few series.

• 54:44Speaker 04

  More men should dress like the characters from, oh no, less men, sorry. Less, yeah, less men.

• 54:51Speaker 03

  I was at a wedding the other day, there was one Peaky Blinders guy there. I just turned to Claire and I went, he's got about another year.

• 54:58Speaker 04

  You wouldn't go around dressed as like a Tudor. What are you doing? Well, I know it's not Birmingham in the nineteen tens. And I went, oh bloody hell, there's a, I think there's a member of a gang over there.

• 55:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:09Speaker 04

  And it is nineteen ten.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  No, oh, wait a minute.

• 55:13Speaker 04

  Fucking unbelievable. Just stop doing it. Buy some modern, buy some normal clothes and just put them on.

• 55:21Speaker 03

  It is a nice look.

• 55:23Speaker 04

  It's fine.

• 55:24Speaker 03

  You know, it's a time, it is a time, it's like what we were saying earlier about looking back.

• 55:27Speaker 04

  Those trousers are good. The old fashioned trousers, they come past.

• 55:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've got a few pairs of those.

• 55:31Speaker 04

  High-waisted men's trousers are great because they keep all the, this is the area.

• 55:35Speaker 03

  It's like a little garter.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  This area in my body is the least favourite.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  Garter's what women wear around their legs for weddings, isn't it? Girdle, that's it.

• 55:44Speaker 04

  Girdle, yeah.

• 55:45Speaker 03

  Keeps you all in check there.

• 55:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:46Speaker 03

  Makes you look fitter than what you actually are.

• 55:48Speaker 04

  It does, yeah. I, I look fat, but then if I can get my trousers up higher, I'm not fat. Look at that, that's, that bit looks great.

• 55:54Speaker 03

  That's what Simon Cowell does.

• 55:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. This is the hard stuff.

• 55:58Speaker 03

  He has his trousers right up to his neck, doesn't he?

• 56:02Speaker 03

  And then he wears big boots with bootcut jeans. You can't see that they're high heeled. Classic.

• 56:10Speaker 03

  Um, I'm all fact out, Joe.

• 56:11Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  What the hell have we learnt today? We've learnt that you can, um, you can neutralise being tickled by holding the tickler's hands.

• 56:20Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  We've learnt that, um, there's definitely more stars than there are grains of sand, but there's way loads of grains of sand.

• 56:30Speaker 04

  There are.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  So what does that tell you?

• 56:31Speaker 04

  And also Titan, look to Titan.

• 56:33Speaker 03

  Look to Titan.

• 56:34Speaker 04

  For your next hit.

• 56:36Speaker 03

  For your next holiday.

• 56:37Speaker 04

  For your next holiday.

• 56:43Speaker 04

  They can't stop fucking playing that. I tell you, we've got a jet, we've got a Jet Two playing back from our holiday.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  They play it in the.

• 56:47Speaker 04

  Every other fucking song. Every other, it's like, welcome to Jet Two holidays. Oh, wonder, no, Jet Two radio, I wonder what's playing on this radio station? Oh, is it that one? Yes, it fucking is that one. Darling, hold my hand. You've got to stop playing it.

• 57:00Speaker 03

  I was in a taxi yesterday and we were listening to Heart. You had Heart on the radio and that is, I know commercial music plays on commercial radio stations, right? So it sort of makes sense. But I would say that Heart FM is specifically this new genre of music that I've decided is called Boots advert.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  And it was just, every, every song that came on, I was just like, I'm sure this was a Boots advert.

• 57:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know what you mean.

• 57:32Speaker 03

  Where is my husband? Girls, this summer.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  Find yourself a man. But like, it's all just Boots advert music. Every single one of those songs could have been on a Boots song. Then it was like fucking Ollie Murs or something like that. And it's all just very cheerful and boppy and sort of like. Feel good.

• 57:57Speaker 04

  I do know what you mean.

• 57:58Speaker 03

  Every song come on, I was annoying Claire because I was going, this could be, this could be on a Boots advert. This could definitely be on a Boots advert. Um, anyway, we hope that you've learned something or had a nice time. We'll be back next week armed with more facts, chats and tickle attacks.

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  Yes.

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  And don't forget, you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true to you or whatever nonsense you'd like to tell us about by emailing us. Uh, that sentence is too long.

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  Yep.

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  Yeah. We get that down in length.

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  Our email is [email protected]. Yeah, that really ruined this episode, that.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  What a shame. What a shame.

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  Goodbye.

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