Pod Insights Joe and James Fact Up Joe Thomas Made Me Miss My Train About this episode This Week Joe Thomas and James Buckley discuss the lifespan on the DVD, get the origin of a listener nickname (sort of) and make a mysterious discovery about 'Smell-o-vision' in the hunt for some tech facts...
Plus this week the Fact Boys find out why we say 'killed in cold blood' (and finally look into the phrase 'Stat' which they planned to the week before)
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1:08 Speaker 02 There was a comment I saw on Spotify, Jo.
1:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:11 Speaker 02 And it was from a guy called Alan. And he said, "I had a lovely conversation with Jo at a railway station once, but he did genuinely make me miss my train because I couldn't leave."
1:26 Speaker 03 I'm really sorry about that. That does sound like...
1:30 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, that does.
1:31 Speaker 04 Completely believable, don't it?
1:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, that does. Yeah, that does, it does ring true.
1:36 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:39 Speaker 03 Oh, God, well, well, I'm glad. I wonder what the, I wonder what the conversation was about.
1:44 Speaker 04 Do you know what I think our problem is?
1:46 Speaker 03 Hmm.
1:47 Speaker 04 Because what was that last week's episode?
1:50 Speaker 03 You didn't say what station it was or anything.
1:52 Speaker 04 We don't know, we don't know how long last week's episode came in at, by the way, by the time it's edited.
1:57 Speaker 03 Hmm.
1:57 Speaker 04 But we spent two and a half hours.
2:02 Speaker 04 Recording it, right? Is that fair to say, Queen Lily May?
2:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, what was that? Sorry.
2:07 Speaker 03 We spent two and a half, no, it's definitely, it's definitely, it's amazing, everyone here is just absolutely rapped. They're like, it's, you cannot, it's like one of those things where like a great actor walks on set and like everyone's cried around the monitors just to watch them work.
2:22 Speaker 04 I think that us.
2:25 Speaker 02 So sorry.
2:25 Speaker 04 I think that because The Inbetweeners is one of our, collectively, all of us, our, our sort of earliest experiences with working full time with television, where we did just pretty much do whatever we wanted during the day. And there, you know, there were people going, come on, guys, can we hurry up a bit?
2:49 Speaker 03 There were people trying to.
2:50 Speaker 04 Yeah. But what happened was, was that then The Inbetweeners became a success. And we were like, oh, you know, all this mucking about stuff that we do, that's all part of it, man, that's all.
3:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:00 Speaker 04 You know, that's, that's part of our process, that's the magic.
3:04 Speaker 03 We were like those musicians who were like, no, no, we need the drugs.
3:07 Speaker 04 Yeah.
3:08 Speaker 03 And then, and then they're like, yeah, but the quantities keep increasing and you haven't done anything for five years.
3:14 Speaker 04 I do, I do, like, if I work on other stuff and I'm like, trying to have some fun and trying to enjoy myself. They're like, do you want to hurry this up? And I go, no, that's not how I work, man. That's not how television works.
3:28 Speaker 04 And it's crept into our podcast.
3:29 Speaker 03 I, I've, I've, I've had similar, um, uh, moments of
3:37 Speaker 03 uh, thinking that, yeah, I've, I've, I, I, I've, I've found it surprising on other projects that there isn't time, there isn't just like muck about time at the beginning, so you can get out of your system.
3:50 Speaker 04 Absolutely, yeah.
3:51 Speaker 03 So, well, when are we going to muck about then?
3:52 Speaker 04 That helps us get the energy, it gets us to where, it gets us to the point where we need to.
3:55 Speaker 03 Half an hour muck about time, then maybe, maybe then.
3:59 Speaker 04 If you're.
4:00 Speaker 03 Yeah, if you're not looking at me like that, then yeah.
4:02 Speaker 04 If you're a good boy, you might get a TV show out at the end of the day.
4:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, or maybe not, maybe you won't, I mean, it's, because in the end.
4:09 Speaker 04 There used to be.
4:10 Speaker 03 Why should we have to do anything?
4:12 Speaker 04 Back when we were making The Inbetweeners, it was like, oh, this will be good. Extra DVD extras.
4:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:19 Speaker 04 You don't get the DVD extras anymore.
4:21 Speaker 03 I know, I know.
4:23 Speaker 04 And I like, you don't get director's commentary on stuff.
4:25 Speaker 03 Well, what you get is, I suppose all that stuff is now on social media. That's where you get the adjacent.
4:32 Speaker 04 No, I don't think you do.
4:33 Speaker 03 I've seen it. I've seen the Bridget and people having a laugh.
4:36 Speaker 04 Well, yeah, that's fine. I don't give a fuck about that. But Riot, if you've got the, if you've got the Garth Marenghi DVD. And they do director's commentary and they're all in character. It's absolutely brilliant. It's the same with the Alan Partridge DVD as well. There's, there's.
4:57 Speaker 03 Is it? Well, Partridge is there doing it.
4:59 Speaker 04 There's Partridge and Lyn. Like talking about the show that they've made. But then there's also like additional director's commentary where they are just themselves talking about the show. And we, you don't, that, that insight was so.
5:14 Speaker 03 Hmm.
5:15 Speaker 04 Exciting for me at that time. Um, and I don't know why, because there is definitely a way we, with streaming and if you buy. I buy a lot of films off of Apple TV. I just buy them and then they're part of my catalogue or whatever. But there is definitely still room to be able to go. Oh, can I watch this with the commentary of the people that made it?
5:38 Speaker 03 Hmm.
5:38 Speaker 04 Um, there's no bloopers. There's no deleted scenes. Like you rarely get to see that stuff anymore.
5:47 Speaker 03 It's interesting, the stuff that just gets dropped by the wayside because the technology just slightly moves on.
5:53 Speaker 04 Yeah.
5:54 Speaker 03 You might, you might say album, album artwork is not really a thing.
5:57 Speaker 04 But I feel like that's a step backwards.
6:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:00 Speaker 04 I'm like, yes.
6:01 Speaker 03 Yes, I, I, I agree.
6:02 Speaker 04 It's instant and it's there and it's there straight away. But there was so much stuff. The DVD, what's the DVD lifespan? It must have been like a couple of years.
6:14 Speaker 03 I know, it went from being literally like the most futuristic thing in the world. And it was like, I've got the Matrix on DVD.
6:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
6:21 Speaker 03 I'm a man from the future.
6:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
6:23 Speaker 03 And, and then it was like, yeah, it, it, it felt like a decade.
6:27 Speaker 04 I don't know, I talk to my mum and dad and going like, oh, well, they've got a DVD player in their house.
6:33 Speaker 03 You, you sort of never really needed one. It just came.
6:37 Speaker 04 It was just like so quick.
6:39 Speaker 03 It just came and went.
6:41 Speaker 04 Yeah. Do you know your first DVD that you ever got? I know mine.
6:47 Speaker 03 That's a question. Don't.
6:51 Speaker 04 Mine's The Gladiator.
6:54 Speaker 03 I had that on video.
6:56 Speaker 04 That was one of my.
6:56 Speaker 03 So that would have been.
6:57 Speaker 04 When the, when, when was The Gladiator? Ninety, ninety nine, I think it was.
7:01 Speaker 03 Isn't it just called Gladiator, James? I'm not sure it's called The Gladiator.
7:04 Speaker 02 It is called Gladiator.
7:05 Speaker 04 It's called Gladiator.
7:06 Speaker 03 The, the Jurassic Park.
7:10 Speaker 03 The Gladiator.
7:11 Speaker 04 Alright, sorry, I'm not, you know, alright.
7:14 Speaker 03 Oh, sorry, sorry that I'm such a film buff.
7:18 Speaker 03 No, I'm being really pedantic here. I mean, like.
7:20 Speaker 04 Cause I'm not on the emails and stuff like that, you know.
7:24 Speaker 02 It's Queen and the Queen again. Um, it's two thousand.
7:27 Speaker 04 Two thousand.
7:28 Speaker 02 Two thousand.
7:29 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:30 Speaker 03 That was exactly as DVDs were, were coming in.
7:36 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:36 Speaker 03 So, yeah, your, your story checks out.
7:37 Speaker 04 Yeah. But that was the first.
7:40 Speaker 03 Or you've been sort of very convincing, right?
7:43 Speaker 04 No, that was the first film that my, that me and my family as a collective had on, had on DVD.
7:50 Speaker 03 We had that on video. Still good.
7:53 Speaker 04 Video was still good, yeah.
7:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, had to rewind it, of course.
7:55 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:57 Speaker 03 Isn't that?
7:58 Speaker 04 Again, I don't want to bang on about the XFM shows. But they're like, they're sort of like 2002, I don't know, 2004, something like that.
8:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:08 Speaker 04 That sort of space. And they're constantly taking the piss out of Carl, Carl, because they're like, not even on DVD. It's on video.
8:15 Speaker 03 Yeah. And Carl was like watching it last night because he hasn't even rewound it. It's so good. But you're quite right. It was, it was a, um, they seemed to, CDs and DVDs seemed to, in a way, be quite quickly outstripped, but without really preserving the charm of like a cassette or something. There was something about cassettes I liked. You could record your own.
8:43 Speaker 04 Vinyl records. They were around for, they were around for ages, the vinyl record.
8:48 Speaker 03 Yeah. DVDs don't, they don't look nice, do they? They're not, and, and the DVD packets are not pleasant things. They always get cracked. CD cases always get cracked as well. It's like little, um.
9:01 Speaker 04 Because they had like, especially, I'm thinking specifically about my old PC games. Or, or old PlayStation games.
9:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:10 Speaker 04 PlayStation one games. The little teeth in the thing in the, in the middle that would hold.
9:16 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, they'd always.
9:17 Speaker 04 The disc tight.
9:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:19 Speaker 04 They'd like.
9:20 Speaker 03 There's one on the XFM show again where they're like, they've got the DVD, but it hasn't even got a box. It's just like a loose frisbee. Just like.
9:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, but they would, yeah. Every, every car of that era would have CDs. It was like, oh, I've got the CD. Oh, it's not fucking in here. Where is it? Oh, here it is. Down the side of the seat, like, or the box is smashed. You were constantly getting in the car being like, and you're like, that's a CD case. Like, they were never, they never were in good nick. There was just.
9:48 Speaker 04 Uh, I remember my dad got a CD re-royer. And I was like, fucking hell, man. This is, we're future-proofed.
9:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, you were like, my dad's in the fucking, he's in MI5.
9:59 Speaker 04 I was like, this is it.
10:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
10:03 Speaker 04 Like I could copy PlayStation games and stuff like that.
10:07 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, it's interesting when you can copy music because, um.
10:12 Speaker 04 I used to put, like, there would be two drawers. I'd put a C, I'd borrow a C D, I'd borrow an album from someone. I'd put it in my P C, it would go in and there'd be another C D drawer, the C D rewriter.
10:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:26 Speaker 04 Then about five minutes later, I'd just copied that whole C D and I'd go, boom.
10:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, it it felt, I suppose, like, uh. I suppose the word we'd use is, it was, it was disrupting the industry.
10:40 Speaker 04 Yeah, but also it was just sort of, it just felt like the future.
10:46 Speaker 03 It felt, yeah, it felt like, yeah, this now and in five years, anything. In five years, we will just live forever. It was like, we was like, we've already got that.
10:53 Speaker 04 Yeah.
10:53 Speaker 03 What will we have next year?
10:55 Speaker 04 The C D rewriter must have been around for seven years max as a thing that became a part of our lives.
11:03 Speaker 03 You're quite right, these these short-lived.
11:05 Speaker 04 And I, and I feel like I'm being generous there with seven years.
11:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:11 Speaker 03 These short-lived technologies. Oh, to tell you what, the the real one, the sort of, the the the kind of the, the the best exemplar of this was the MiniDisc.
11:20 Speaker 04 It just came and went.
11:21 Speaker 03 Came and went.
11:22 Speaker 04 And it was really cool.
11:23 Speaker 03 It looked, that looked quite cool, yeah.
11:25 Speaker 04 My mate had a MiniDisc, had a, and a MiniDisc Walkman.
11:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:29 Speaker 04 And um, and there were tiny little C Ds.
11:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:34 Speaker 04 Brilliant. You'd get an album.
11:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:36 Speaker 04 And he was like, oh, you know, stick it on the MiniDisc.
11:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:39 Speaker 04 I I should, I think that was exclusively Sony.
11:44 Speaker 03 May have been.
11:45 Speaker 04 I think that might have been the only brand that was doing the MiniDisc thing.
11:50 Speaker 03 It's a big.
11:51 Speaker 02 It was developed by Sony, yeah.
11:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, but that was, um, that was, I wouldn't, that was a year.
11:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:58 Speaker 04 The MiniDisc.
11:59 Speaker 03 Just went.
11:59 Speaker 04 That was like, that was just like.
12:03 Speaker 03 My brother had one.
12:04 Speaker 04 The C D was already brilliant.
12:07 Speaker 03 It wasn't, yes, it wasn't.
12:08 Speaker 04 The mini disc felt like a thing that was like, well, we haven't moved on from the C D for a while, so we better do something.
12:15 Speaker 03 Something, it was, it was just.
12:16 Speaker 04 It was totally unnecessary.
12:18 Speaker 03 But it, but it, but it's, it's not, it's not as wide as a C D.
12:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
12:23 Speaker 03 And but it was like, but is it, is it as thin as a C D? It's like, well, no.
12:27 Speaker 04 Yeah.
12:27 Speaker 03 So it was almost like, if you, if you, too, if you chop, if you chop up a C D into quarters and then just folded it.
12:33 Speaker 04 That was the thing that annoyed me about.
12:34 Speaker 03 That's all they did.
12:35 Speaker 04 That was the thing that annoyed me about the mini disc as well.
12:37 Speaker 03 Hmm.
12:38 Speaker 04 Because it wasn't like something that I'd assume was from Total Recall or something like that.
12:43 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
12:44 Speaker 04 Where it was just a tiny C D.
12:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:46 Speaker 04 It was a tiny C D, but it was encased in a, in a, in a cassette, basically.
12:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:52 Speaker 04 And that annoyed me.
12:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, because it was like, well, hey, little one, come out of there.
12:57 Speaker 04 Yeah.
12:59 Speaker 03 Right?
13:00 Speaker 04 What are you doing in that case?
13:01 Speaker 03 Come on.
13:02 Speaker 04 Why can't I just get?
13:03 Speaker 03 It's like you've gone into a supermarket and you've tried to buy.
13:05 Speaker 04 It didn't.
13:05 Speaker 03 Something. What's the, the like encased in the, well, again, X F M show, condoms?
13:10 Speaker 04 Johnnys.
13:10 Speaker 03 Johnnys.
13:11 Speaker 04 Yeah.
13:11 Speaker 03 It's like you've got a box of Johnnys and they're still stuck.
13:15 Speaker 04 Yeah.
13:16 Speaker 03 Inside the box.
13:17 Speaker 04 And you have to go.
13:18 Speaker 03 Have to go to the till.
13:19 Speaker 04 Yeah. It's always embarrassing.
13:23 Speaker 03 It did seem like that. It seemed like something that had, why can't it just come out, man?
13:29 Speaker 04 Yeah.
13:31 Speaker 03 What are you doing in there?
13:32 Speaker 04 But yeah.
13:33 Speaker 03 C D's out, your big brother's out.
13:35 Speaker 04 But the Gladiator.
13:36 Speaker 03 Why are you still in there?
13:37 Speaker 04 The Gladiators. That was my, that was my first D V D that I bought.
13:41 Speaker 03 Bloody good one as well.
13:41 Speaker 04 It's great film. How route one is this? A couple of years ago, me, Claire and the boys went to Rome for a holiday. And um I watched Gladiator on the way.
13:56 Speaker 04 Just to get me in the mood.
13:58 Speaker 02 One in Rome.
13:59 Speaker 04 Exactly. That's what I was, that's literally what I was thinking.
14:03 Speaker 04 I had it on my iPad. I just watched it. I think I was on a jet two flight.
14:09 Speaker 03 Do you get the boys, um.
14:10 Speaker 04 Nothing beats a jet two holiday.
14:13 Speaker 03 Do you get the boys all training before you went there about the wooden sword?
14:16 Speaker 04 No, but I'll tell you something. We went all the way to Rome and I think we were a seventeen minute taxi drive away from the Colosseum.
14:24 Speaker 03 Hmm.
14:25 Speaker 04 Claire just was like, the day that I said, oh, we'll go to the Colosseum. Claire was like, oh, I can't be bothered.
14:34 Speaker 04 Me, me and Harrison went. Claire and Jude were my other kids. They were just like, eh.
14:42 Speaker 04 We were there. We were there. We were like.
14:45 Speaker 03 We were so close.
14:46 Speaker 04 We were so close. Claire's never seen it. Claire literally did a Pilkington. She was like, I've seen it on TV.
14:54 Speaker 04 And I was going, no, you're wrong. Like, you are wrong. I, because I was saying to her, I get what you're saying, because I do, I'm very much like that myself.
15:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:02 Speaker 04 But me and Harrison looked at this thing that's thousands of years old, this huge structure, and it was like, I, I can't describe it. It was like, that's fucking amazing.
15:15 Speaker 03 And again, it's one of.
15:16 Speaker 04 Absolutely incredible.
15:17 Speaker 03 Imagine looking at it in like, you know, twelve hundred A D. When it's like, we can't, we don't know how to do that.
15:23 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
15:24 Speaker 03 We don't even know how to do that.
15:27 Speaker 02 I'm going to Rome this week.
15:28 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
15:29 Speaker 04 Are you really?
15:30 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:30 Speaker 04 You've got to see the Colosseum.
15:31 Speaker 03 Go see the Colosseum.
15:32 Speaker 02 See it on TV.
15:33 Speaker 03 Oh.
15:36 Speaker 04 Me and Harrison didn't do the tour or anything like that. We didn't even go into it. We stood outside it and just looked at it and we was like, that's absolutely incredible. And people were trying to scam us while we were outside as well. They were like, it was like. It was definitely like unofficial, unaffiliated tour people. And we can take you in, we can take you in there. We're both like, all right, mate, don't worry.
16:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
16:03 Speaker 02 Okay, I'll be safe.
16:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, don't.
16:06 Speaker 04 How long are you going to Rome for?
16:07 Speaker 02 I'm going, uh, Thursday to Sunday. My friends are running the Rome marathon, so I'm going to support them. Yeah.
16:13 Speaker 03 Well, it's all linked up, isn't it? Rome marathon, we had marathons last week.
16:16 Speaker 02 Yep.
16:18 Speaker 03 It's all happening.
16:19 Speaker 04 Anyway, should we do this?
16:20 Speaker 03 The Matrix, mention The Matrix.
16:22 Speaker 04 Matrix, yeah, take the red pill or the blue one. I can't remember.
16:26 Speaker 03 My friends at school were like, I can't even explain to you what The Matrix is about, mate. You've just got to watch it. And I'd be like, is it that it's like a simulation and they're like, I can't even, so it is that?
16:37 Speaker 04 Yeah.
16:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, is that? Okay, fine. So it's that.
16:39 Speaker 04 But that is like what's great about The Matrix. And I don't know if it's because I was.
16:43 Speaker 03 People fucking love The Matrix.
16:44 Speaker 04 I don't know if it's because I was 12 at the time when it came out.
16:47 Speaker 03 It's because it's like entry level.
16:48 Speaker 04 But I was just like.
16:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
16:50 Speaker 04 That could be true.
16:54 Speaker 04 As I've gotten older, I've gone like, well, I don't know. As I, to be fair, as I've gotten older, I don't care.
17:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's so true, isn't it?
17:04 Speaker 04 Like, the only lesson I get from The Matrix, when they're, they're in The Matrix and that bloke, that bald fellow's like having a steak and stuff like that, he's going, oh, I can't believe my luck. And then when they come out of The Matrix and they're all wearing rags and they're like.
17:17 Speaker 03 They've got a big thing.
17:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
17:19 Speaker 03 And are they covered in gloop?
17:21 Speaker 04 There's some sort of gloop involved.
17:22 Speaker 03 It's still gunge, isn't it? It was era of gunge. I'll get some gunge. Even The Matrix needs it.
17:26 Speaker 04 Yeah. I was like, I mean, if I am in The Matrix, it's better than these lot.
17:33 Speaker 03 That's so true.
17:33 Speaker 04 Then they're eating like slop and stuff like that.
17:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:37 Speaker 04 And I'm just like, put me in The Matrix.
17:42 Speaker 03 Oh, the.
17:42 Speaker 04 But I guess the moral is, you know, I'd rather something that's real and shit than fake and good. I didn't take that from that film.
17:52 Speaker 03 Hmm.
17:52 Speaker 04 Fake and good for me.
17:56 Speaker 02 I agree.
17:56 Speaker 04 Well, I'll be happier. Yeah, you'll be happy. It won't be real. I don't care if it's real or not.
18:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, I totally agree. I think what you do as you get older is you just don't care.
18:05 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:06 Speaker 03 So that's exactly correct.
18:13 Speaker 04 Anyway, welcome to Joe and James Fact Up. It's a little podcast for you. Each week we'll be bringing facts to one another that we deem interesting and our policy is the more interesting, the more true it is. We'll also be digging into the weird facts that you'd like to think are true, but don't want to research yourself in a segment that we we call Fact Check. So if you do want to send us your facts, our email is hello at joandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp is 07822034330. You can also follow us on our socials at joandjamespod. You can also watch all our episodes in full on YouTube. Just search for Joe and James Fact Up. Now, let's get fact up.
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19:36 Speaker 03 So.
19:37 Speaker 04 Go on.
19:38 Speaker 03 I've already noticed here that Willish and Shite Hawk have been back in touch.
19:44 Speaker 02 They have.
19:44 Speaker 03 Because we asked about the origins of Shite Hawk's name.
19:50 Speaker 04 Did we?
19:51 Speaker 03 We did.
19:51 Speaker 04 I don't remember.
19:52 Speaker 03 For whatever reason, we didn't need to know about where Willish comes from. I don't know why.
19:57 Speaker 04 Willish just sounds like a name. Shite Hawk.
19:59 Speaker 03 Shite Hawk is not.
20:00 Speaker 04 Have you landed on that?
20:01 Speaker 03 Yeah. And you'll be pleased to know, James.
20:05 Speaker 04 Yes.
20:05 Speaker 03 That we have had a voice note from Willish.
20:09 Speaker 04 Thank God.
20:10 Speaker 03 Who else? I mean, who else regarding the origins of?
20:15 Speaker 04 Do you think it's because he's a bit like Will from The Inbetweeners?
20:19 Speaker 03 It might be, but we haven't asked that.
20:21 Speaker 04 No, we haven't. But I'm just thinking, oh, he's a bit willish.
20:25 Speaker 03 It might be, it might be actually.
20:27 Speaker 04 I'll tell you, he is a bit willish, Simon Bird.
20:29 Speaker 03 Simon Bird, yeah.
20:30 Speaker 04 Anyway.
20:31 Speaker 03 We've, well, anyway, so will it, so Willish has got, sent us a voice note regarding the origins of his right hand man.
20:41 Speaker 04 Shite Hawk's name. Right, let's find out. Where does Shite, why is Shite Hawk called Shite Hawk?
20:47 Speaker 07 Hi JT and JB, uh, it's Willish with, uh, Shite Hawk here. Um, re, the origins of why. Shite Hawk, stop it. Shut up.
21:02 Speaker 07 Sorry about that. Um, he's currently running a bath, but he likes to eat boiled eggs in it and. Shite Hawk, no more than two. Put one back.
21:15 Speaker 07 Get egg bound.
21:17 Speaker 07 Sorry about that. Um, so the origins, he was on a trampoline, like a kid's one you get in the back garden, jumping away. Got quite confident, bit cocky about it, started jumping higher and higher. Lost confidence. See where this is going.
21:35 Speaker 04 No.
21:36 Speaker 07 Got so scared, it literally shook a couple of little turdlets out.
21:44 Speaker 07 A few little chocolate bum slugs were literally wobbled out. And then, uh, yeah, got off the trampoline sheepishly with a bit of a smelly leg. Shite Hawk caked knickers.
22:03 Speaker 04 Explains nothing.
22:07 Speaker 04 Only, only creates more questions.
22:11 Speaker 03 What, what's all this stuff about the?
22:12 Speaker 04 The bath.
22:13 Speaker 03 Can we hear it one more time?
22:14 Speaker 04 No, I can't sit through that again.
22:15 Speaker 03 All right. But every single, are we kidding? Someone sent something in that isn't just about shit?
22:23 Speaker 03 I suppose he is called Shite Hawk.
22:24 Speaker 04 He's called Shite Hawk.
22:25 Speaker 03 Shite Hawk, so it's, it's cause he's shit.
22:27 Speaker 04 Likes to eat boiled eggs in the bath or something.
22:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, but he's only allowed to.
22:30 Speaker 04 He's only allowed to.
22:32 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:32 Speaker 04 Uh, we not, we've not found out the origins of Shite Hawk's name. Apart from he shat himself on a trampoline.
22:40 Speaker 03 He was airborne.
22:41 Speaker 02 He shat from a height.
22:42 Speaker 03 He shat from a height.
22:43 Speaker 02 So I'm guessing that's sort of like being shat on by a hawk, I guess.
22:47 Speaker 04 Right, yeah.
22:48 Speaker 03 Or you know what, I think he's the hawk.
22:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, he's the hawk who shats.
22:53 Speaker 03 Okay.
22:53 Speaker 04 Right, okay.
22:55 Speaker 03 When you're saying, Shite, not now, not now, was he talking to?
22:59 Speaker 04 I thought.
22:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:00 Speaker 03 I thought he was talking to someone else at that point.
23:01 Speaker 02 No, I think Shite Hawk was in a bath, eating his boiled eggs.
23:04 Speaker 03 Right.
23:04 Speaker 02 And then I think he was getting greedy with the boiled eggs.
23:07 Speaker 03 Right.
23:07 Speaker 02 So Willish was telling him not to have too many because he's only allowed to. I'm assuming there'll be consequences.
23:12 Speaker 03 I, I thought, I thought at the, at the beginning, the idea might have been that, um, that Shite Hawk was actually a dog. That was the, like one of those riddles where Romeo and Juliet are actually goldfish.
23:22 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
23:23 Speaker 03 But.
23:23 Speaker 04 His horse was called Tuesday.
23:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, that, yeah, that's it, yeah. But it sounds as though Shite Hawk, well, to be honest.
23:30 Speaker 04 That's an annoying riddle, by the way.
23:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's just a, it's just a, it's a pun. And it's not a pun, is it? It's just a kind of.
23:35 Speaker 04 Oh, I got you.
23:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
23:37 Speaker 04 Got you there.
23:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
23:38 Speaker 04 Rode into horse on Tuesday.
23:40 Speaker 03 It's like one of those, it's like one of those.
23:41 Speaker 04 Stayed for three days, left on Tuesday. How is that possible? His horse was called Tuesday. Oh, well done.
23:45 Speaker 03 It's like one of those jokes where I've got the best joke in the world. Now, before I tell you it, there, there was this bloke, right? And his name was Fuck Off. You know, well, all right, just, I wonder how this is gonna go. Well, it was amazing voice note. I mean, I have to say that I, I, I think I still feel.
24:00 Speaker 04 I'm not less confused. It's not cleared anything up.
24:05 Speaker 02 Well, I guess that's just Willish's way.
24:07 Speaker 04 He shat himself on a trampoline.
24:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, that was, yeah, that was, so, okay. So what, I mean.
24:12 Speaker 02 I think he said bum slugs.
24:14 Speaker 04 That could have been the voice note.
24:15 Speaker 03 Bum slugs, yeah.
24:15 Speaker 04 This whole, um, he's in the bath, stop it, all that stuff. Where did that come from?
24:22 Speaker 02 We can't plan when you start a voice note, you don't know what's gonna happen.
24:24 Speaker 03 That's true, no, it's true, actually, yeah, it just, it was just what happened. It's just what.
24:29 Speaker 02 Didn't have time to re-record another one.
24:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, e- exactly, exactly. It's just, you know, life happens and shit happens, as Shite Hawk knows. So.
24:39 Speaker 04 Go on, Joe. Wrap this bit up.
24:41 Speaker 03 Okay, well, so.
24:42 Speaker 04 I've got to go for a piss.
24:43 Speaker 03 Okay, so thank you for that. We do know it's kind of in the area I assumed it would be. And.
24:49 Speaker 04 Not me.
24:50 Speaker 03 And we probably, I mean, in a way, we've probably got more questions than before we heard it, but. Do you want him to follow up?
24:58 Speaker 04 Yes.
24:58 Speaker 03 Yes. Yeah, okay.
24:59 Speaker 04 Please do.
25:00 Speaker 03 About the eggs and all that.
25:01 Speaker 04 Yeah, Willish, I feel like.
25:03 Speaker 03 I'd quite like to receive a voice note from Shite Hawk, actually.
25:06 Speaker 04 It would be nice to hear from Shite Hawk.
25:08 Speaker 03 I'm not sure on the dynamics going on there. I mean, to say he's enigmatic barely covers it.
25:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
25:13 Speaker 03 But I mean, this is a man with sort of Rasputin levels of sort of mixture of sort of mystery and all the sort of like quite bodily stuff, like it's, it's.
25:24 Speaker 04 Yeah.
25:25 Speaker 03 Who is this person? Who's got a guy basically sort of, you know, helping him with his bath?
25:31 Speaker 04 Hmm. Right, Willish, get back in touch. I've got to go for a piss.
25:35 Speaker 03 Off you go.
25:41 Speaker 04 Hey, JT.
25:42 Speaker 03 Hmm.
25:42 Speaker 04 Um, today's theme for our fax is tech.
25:46 Speaker 03 Yep.
25:47 Speaker 04 As we've been flirting with the tech world.
25:52 Speaker 04 Well, I've been saying I could beat up Mark Zuckerberg.
25:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:55 Speaker 04 Which I'm still, which one, I'm still confident I could do. And two, don't think he's a brag. I don't, I'm not a tough guy.
26:05 Speaker 03 And I noticed that he hasn't, you know.
26:07 Speaker 04 He's been very quiet.
26:08 Speaker 03 He's been very quiet.
26:09 Speaker 04 Um, so we've been doing, uh, we've.
26:13 Speaker 03 He can't be that busy.
26:15 Speaker 04 So our fax this week are going to be about tech. And I have gone all the way back for you, Joe.
26:20 Speaker 03 Okay.
26:21 Speaker 04 To, uh, something that I, I'm not a hundred percent sure of the pronunciation. Um, the, the Antikythera mechanism. You must have heard of that.
26:33 Speaker 03 Antikythera? I don't think so. Antikythera? Well, she just comes over on Boxing Day.
26:38 Speaker 04 Auntie Thera.
26:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:40 Speaker 04 Auntie Nora.
26:41 Speaker 03 Aunt Nora.
26:42 Speaker 04 It's been a tennis ball.
26:44 Speaker 03 It's been a tennis ball.
26:45 Speaker 04 Play record. Um, it's the ancient Greek time machine. It, it, it's, it's often touted as the first ever computer.
27:01 Speaker 03 Amazing.
27:02 Speaker 04 And.
27:03 Speaker 03 Okay.
27:04 Speaker 04 Even though I've got some, I say facts about it, I'm. I'm not a hundred percent sure we actually know what it actually definitely did, or how it was built, or how they even knew to build this thing. Um, but it was made of sort of spokes and gears and stuff like that. It was found.
27:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:26 Speaker 04 Um, in a wreckage, on a, in a ship wreckage, I think in the Mediterranean or something like that. And it baffled historians for a long, long time. Um, because it can tell you things like when eclipses will happen, where planets will be, their alignment and stuff like that. And even, even the dates, it has the dates of Olympic Games. Sort of in it, it will tell you, it would, you, you crank something and it gives you information.
27:59 Speaker 03 Wow, okay.
28:00 Speaker 04 Um, it was built over two thousand years ago.
28:06 Speaker 04 So there we go. There's another sort of, um, there's another thing also that's like. They call an early computer, but I think that was like the eighteen hundreds or something like that, which looked like a big clock almost.
28:21 Speaker 03 A mechanical.
28:22 Speaker 04 Yeah. Um, but this was, this was over two thousand years ago that this was built.
28:28 Speaker 03 And they, and they found it, did you say in a shipwreck?
28:31 Speaker 04 Yes. I don't know when they found it. That was, that would have been a good bit of information. I've, I've not got that. Um, but it was built over two thousand years ago. It has
28:43 Speaker 04 over thirty precision gears. Sort of like a luxury watch, but again, thousands of years ago. Um, and nothing that advanced shows up again for over a thousand years, at least.
29:01 Speaker 04 So it was just a weird anomaly. There was obviously some clever clogs that had built this thing. Didn't really explain it to anyone or document it that much. And then it went down with the ship at one point.
29:18 Speaker 03 And and yeah, and and and to not make any kind of copies or for there to be no.
29:25 Speaker 04 Instructions or anything like that. Um but it's uh.
29:30 Speaker 03 Now, is is this a case of was this clever clogs?
29:36 Speaker 03 Actually from a galaxy far.
29:37 Speaker 04 Was it aliens? Was it aliens? I hate that. That's such a cop out. Cause I do love history and I do have some. I have the I have a tiny bit of faith in humans, right? And I hate the. The.
29:56 Speaker 03 As soon as we do anything good.
29:57 Speaker 04 Yeah, the pyramids. Yeah, the pyramids. It's like, must have been aliens. You can't like, give us some credit. We do we do a lot of awful stuff as a species and a lot like we do so much terrible shit. We do something genuinely quite. Intelligent and smart and incredible and amazing and astounding. It's like, well, it must have been aliens. Couldn't have been us.
30:23 Speaker 04 Look at us. Look at us.
30:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, we are really, we are a bit kind of down on ourselves.
30:27 Speaker 04 Couldn't have been us.
30:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
30:30 Speaker 04 Um but it's the equivalent, Joe, uh of finding an iPhone in a medieval me- medieval castle. That's how advanced the technology technology was back then.
30:42 Speaker 03 What I find most amazing is um the fact that nothing like it was then found. For another thousand years. That I think is.
30:53 Speaker 04 It was just lost. But we're um, we are.
30:58 Speaker 04 Guilty of that. Human beings of losing technology. They've just been like, oh, I've lost it.
31:06 Speaker 03 And also, we often destroy things because they belonged maybe to another civilization. So we'll burn down like someone else's library.
31:17 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah. Well, that was the Middle Ages. Yeah. Constantly burning down libraries.
31:22 Speaker 03 Don't burn down libraries.
31:23 Speaker 04 It was, it was just loads of people from Europe.
31:26 Speaker 03 Hmm.
31:26 Speaker 04 Going to the Middle East.
31:28 Speaker 03 Hmm.
31:28 Speaker 04 Where, and they're just burning down libraries, just, just all the time. What was the one, it was in like Alexandria or something.
31:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
31:37 Speaker 04 The, the famous one. Like if you were a merchant or a scholar or something like that, they would, you'd be allowed to come in, you'd be welcome in.
31:45 Speaker 03 Hmm.
31:46 Speaker 04 By all means, come on in. Don't care what religion you are, don't care where you're from. Come one, come all. We're just very much interested in learning and sciences and stuff like that. Every book that you've got on right, on you right now.
31:59 Speaker 03 Hmm.
32:00 Speaker 04 We're gonna take. We'll give you a copy of it back. Like, that was like one of the, the rules. I think it was in Alexandria.
32:07 Speaker 03 And that's pre-printing press. So that's, that's how it was done at that time.
32:12 Speaker 04 And then that library where they've been collecting all this information and all these books and all this knowledge. You know, we turn up, don't we? Fucking football rooligans. Yeah.
32:24 Speaker 03 Like, it does seem like they were basically like.
32:27 Speaker 04 I do think, I'd, I'd like to hope that outside the walls of Jerusalem, we were just going, England.
32:35 Speaker 03 Oh, God. I mean.
32:37 Speaker 04 But yeah, that's what happens, doesn't it? Someone does something good and then we sort of go, oh. Let's not worry about documenting that. Um, but there's your tech fact for you. I feel like I have gone.
32:48 Speaker 03 That's an amazing fact.
32:50 Speaker 04 I've gone as far back as I can do with a tech fact.
32:54 Speaker 03 I like that. I was, I am.
32:56 Speaker 04 Unless you wanted to just talk about the wheel, but I don't even know where to, like, I, I wouldn't even know where to begin with that.
33:03 Speaker 03 Well. The Incas didn't have wheels. That's a fact about the wheel.
33:08 Speaker 04 Did they not?
33:09 Speaker 03 No, didn't have wheels.
33:11 Speaker 04 But they're quite, they're not as old.
33:13 Speaker 03 No, they were, yeah. They were very kind of cut off, I think. They had lots of mountains around them and, and. Uh.
33:22 Speaker 04 The wheel didn't reach them.
33:24 Speaker 03 Didn't, didn't reach them. No, no.
33:28 Speaker 04 Well, there you go, Joe. That was my little fact.
33:30 Speaker 03 Well, that's.
33:31 Speaker 04 The Antikythera mechanism. Look it up.
33:35 Speaker 03 Love it.
33:35 Speaker 04 It is interesting. It's way more interesting than what I just said then.
33:39 Speaker 03 No, that was, I loved how you put that.
33:40 Speaker 04 But it would compute stuff. It would work things out for you. You'd give it some information and it would, it would
33:47 Speaker 03 And I.
33:47 Speaker 04 spout the answer out at the end.
33:50 Speaker 03 And it was primarily, it was sort of like stuff about the planets and like navigational stuff, I guess, stuff.
33:57 Speaker 04 Time, yeah.
33:58 Speaker 03 I mean, it was on a ship. Do you think it was being used by the ship?
34:01 Speaker 04 I assume so, yeah. It must have been. Because time, they're obsessed with time on ships, weren't they? If you sail this, I, I assume they still are in planes and things. If you travel this far at this speed for this long, you will be around this area.
34:17 Speaker 03 I think a lot of, a lot of.
34:20 Speaker 04 I think that's where the watch came from.
34:22 Speaker 03 Really?
34:23 Speaker 04 It was from shipping, because it was so important to know how long you'd been going in, in a certain direction. Because you'd have to measure your speed in knots.
34:34 Speaker 03 Knowing.
34:34 Speaker 04 Which was literally knots as well. Did you know that, Joe?
34:38 Speaker 03 Yes, I did. Actually, I did, I did, I did know. So you're letting out a rope.
34:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
34:43 Speaker 03 So that's your distance.
34:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
34:45 Speaker 03 How many, how far, so yeah, how far apart are those knots? And yeah.
34:51 Speaker 04 Hmm. This is very fact heavy so far this episode. Let's stop that.
34:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's too.
34:56 Speaker 04 Speaking of which, it's time for fact check.
35:00 Speaker 03 Let's go.
35:01 Speaker 04 Uh, this is the, this is the part of the show where we read a fact or question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. And then we're gonna have a little think during the break and decide how true it feels to us. Uh, Joe, have you got this week's fact check, Joe?
35:15 Speaker 03 Yes, this week's fact check comes from James.
35:19 Speaker 04 Of course, yeah, very funny.
35:21 Speaker 03 Now, we're excluding.
35:23 Speaker 04 That's not, you've got to see the rest of his name.
35:27 Speaker 02 There's many iterations of this name that's incredible.
35:29 Speaker 03 This is incredible. So first of all, his full name is James Cameron.
35:33 Speaker 04 Yeah.
35:33 Speaker 03 And he's put not the director.
35:35 Speaker 02 He's also referred to himself as J C.
35:37 Speaker 04 Yeah.
35:37 Speaker 02 God bless.
35:38 Speaker 03 Hi, J T and J B. So this is from James. He's sent us a WhatsApp. We aren't, basically, if you want to get on to the pod, you just have to say your name is James or Joe.
35:49 Speaker 04 No, I don't want that to be a role.
35:51 Speaker 02 No lying.
35:52 Speaker 03 And you can't lie. What an unbelievably prejudicial policy.
35:56 Speaker 04 Anyway.
35:56 Speaker 02 Well, this and Shy Hawke got on.
35:58 Speaker 03 Shy Hawke's on.
36:00 Speaker 04 Shy Hawke, yeah. James Cameron has got in touch with us.
36:03 Speaker 03 James Cameron. Hi, JT and JB, JC here, long time listener, first time messenger. Nice. I recently rewatched All Peaky Blinders and one phrase that kept cropping up was killing someone in cold blood. And I've always wondered where that saying comes from. Humans are notoriously warm-blooded.
36:20 Speaker 03 I don't know about notoriously, but I'd say famously. But I'm not, I'm not, you know.
36:29 Speaker 03 I don't think people like, watch out for them, you know what they say about them.
36:31 Speaker 04 Suspiciously warm-blooded.
36:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:35 Speaker 03 So shouldn't the phrase be killing someone in warm blood? Would love to know your thoughts. Keep up the good work. Cheers, James Cameron, not the director.
36:42 Speaker 04 Right.
36:43 Speaker 03 I like this, I'm looking forward to getting my teeth into this.
36:45 Speaker 04 Let's have a little break. Obviously, I'm, I'm married to a woman obsessed with murderers and serial killers and I will tell you where that phrase comes from and it will be fact and it will be cut and dry, it is going to be the quickest fact check we've ever done in our lives.
37:01 Speaker 03 Right.
37:01 Speaker 04 After this break.
37:39 Speaker 05 Hello, I'm Joanna Fletcher.
37:41 Speaker 06 And I'm Marco Burchella.
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38:16 Speaker 04 We were just fact checking on the behalf of James, good name, who asked, where does the phrase killing someone in cold blood come from? Right. Here is my, and I believe this to be, cut and dry, no ambiguity, no, there's no discussion. So, killing someone in cold blood, which is an evocative phrase that a prosecutor in an American court case would throw around, killing someone in cold blood. It means that not only are they a killer, but it was, it was premeditated. It wasn't a hot blooded, you didn't just walk
39:01 Speaker 04 in on your wife having an affair and you, and you just lost it and killed someone.
39:05 Speaker 06 A crime of passion.
39:06 Speaker 04 It wasn't a crime of passion.
39:07 Speaker 06 Which in French law, literally gets you a reduced sentence. I think that's still true.
39:11 Speaker 04 Well, they're, they're passionate people, the French.
39:13 Speaker 06 They are. You're like, oh, come on.
39:14 Speaker 04 They're sacré bleu.
39:16 Speaker 06 Yeah.
39:17 Speaker 04 But they, but killing someone in cold blood is cold, calculated. It wasn't emotional. It wasn't passionate. You just did it. And for some reason or another, that's worse than just a spur of the moment. The red mist came down. Something else took over me and I killed that person. This is more almost sadistic, possibly torture is involved. So, yeah, killing someone in cold blood is, that's where that comes from. It's, it's, it's methodical. It's not a crime of passion, as you said.
40:01 Speaker 03 I that I I think that's that sounds exactly right to me. I was also thinking.
40:09 Speaker 04 I know for a fact if Claire listens to this, which she doesn't, uh, that she'd be very proud of me right now.
40:16 Speaker 03 You did, you did really well there.
40:17 Speaker 02 We can clip it just for Claire if you want.
40:18 Speaker 04 We could do, yeah.
40:20 Speaker 03 We do a special little package just for Claire.
40:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
40:23 Speaker 03 It just isn't this. It'll take you like honestly 10 seconds.
40:25 Speaker 04 She'll be go, she'll go, good boy, you've learned, you've learned something from this.
40:28 Speaker 03 We could invent a new genre of like incredibly short podcasts, just 10 seconds, a little, um.
40:36 Speaker 03 A little, I don't know, what do you call that? A pod minnow.
40:38 Speaker 02 Yeah, a mini, a mini pod.
40:39 Speaker 03 Mini pod, I'm trying to hear a mini pod.
40:41 Speaker 04 Have you, have you got anything to add to that joke? Cause I feel like I've, I've covered.
40:45 Speaker 03 Well, I only really that I was also thinking about that idea of, I think, I suppose the kind of, um, not good, but the, the more kind of, oh, I might do this myself. Uh, version of this is, um, revenge, they say revenge is a dish best served cold. So this, that's an idea that you sort of turn the tables somewhat that maybe, but there is this sense of, uh, that, that hot bloodedness.
41:07 Speaker 04 Yeah.
41:08 Speaker 03 If it's yourself doing it, hot blooded will mean that you make poor decisions, you're ineffective. What's it rugby players say? Like fire in your heart, ice in your brain, something like that. So the brain should be cool.
41:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
41:19 Speaker 03 If the brain is cool.
41:20 Speaker 04 Calm, collected. Yeah.
41:23 Speaker 03 There's, um, there's a thing in the book, Tristan Shandy, I think.
41:31 Speaker 04 I tried to read that. I don't read many books, but I tried to read.
41:34 Speaker 03 It's a weird, it's a weird read.
41:36 Speaker 04 Cock and ball story.
41:37 Speaker 03 It's a weird, it's a, it's a, it's a strange book.
41:39 Speaker 04 I do, I do own it.
41:41 Speaker 03 There's loads of stuff about, there's loads of stuff about.
41:42 Speaker 04 I don't know if that impresses, it impresses anyone, but I own that book.
41:47 Speaker 03 Well, at least you, I mean, you know, we were saying, I mean, you haven't, you haven't burned it to a, to a.
41:52 Speaker 04 No, I've not.
41:52 Speaker 03 What's the word? A cinder.
41:54 Speaker 04 No.
41:54 Speaker 03 Like the, you know, like some people have done to books in the past.
41:58 Speaker 04 Hmm.
41:59 Speaker 03 So, you know, it's all right. That's the start. There's a bit in that where, I can't remember, there's a reference to making decisions twice, once.
42:11 Speaker 03 I think it's like once just before you've had sex and once after you've had sex. So like, once when you're passionate and once in the cold light of day.
42:21 Speaker 04 It's called, it's called post nut clarity.
42:23 Speaker 03 Is that true?
42:24 Speaker 04 Yep.
42:26 Speaker 03 I, I sort of, I, what I.
42:27 Speaker 04 That's what it's called. You heard of that? Post nut clarity.
42:32 Speaker 03 But I guess the idea is that, so if you're being, if you're being self-seeking, you should be, maybe you should brainstorm when you're in the heat of the moment. But then it's in the cold light of day that you need to go, okay, well, a load of this is just bollocks, but we could maybe do that.
42:46 Speaker 04 My advice would be if you were like, if you did find your wife cheating on you or something like, have a wank first.
42:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean.
42:57 Speaker 04 And then, and then see, then you, you see how you feel after that.
43:00 Speaker 03 While, while watching it.
43:01 Speaker 04 I mean, I, I would, I'd, I wouldn't be able to stop myself, Joe.
43:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's, it's um.
43:05 Speaker 04 It's my ultimate fantasy, of course it is.
43:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
43:07 Speaker 04 Um, but, uh, but is there also, here's something like, just to, because I do think I've, I think I've nailed that. I think I've absolutely nailed that, killed in cold blood.
43:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
43:19 Speaker 04 Is there something that lends itself to sort of biblical, uh, reptilian, serpentine?
43:27 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, that sense, yes.
43:29 Speaker 04 Bloodedness, uh, seems more evil, seems more sinister.
43:33 Speaker 03 We don't, I mean, uh, it's, um, it is true that there is something watchful and, uh, chilling about seeing a reptile or a snake.
43:51 Speaker 03 At all.
43:52 Speaker 04 Hmm.
43:52 Speaker 03 I, I think, I, I, I mean, as I say, I went to the zoo recently and, um, there's, um, they've got a Komodo drag.
44:02 Speaker 04 Do you have a, a season pass?
44:03 Speaker 03 No, I should, because it's cost me a fucking fortune. Every single time I go there, they go, keep the receipt, ring up, you can take that off the price of a seat. And by the way, the season ticket's like 70 quid.
44:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
44:13 Speaker 03 And the one-off ticket is like 50 quid. So it's like, it's genuinely mental. And every time I go, I'm like, well, I suppose it's for a good cause. And I'm like, what is it a good? Cause I'm sort of just locking the animals up, but like it's like you're paying a prison, you'd be like, well, that's a good cause. Um, you know, get some more, put more electric fences in it. Um, and.
44:32 Speaker 04 And keep them switched on.
44:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, turn, turn, turn them on, honestly, because we know how that ends with the fucking goat leg coming down on the car.
44:38 Speaker 04 Yeah, exactly.
44:39 Speaker 03 You know, we don't, no one wants that. But the, there's a, they've got a Komodo dragon there. And actually, as it moves, you are like, that's fucking chilling now. Like it's like it.
44:49 Speaker 04 They're terrifying, the Komodo dragon.
44:50 Speaker 03 They're terrifying. That's, that, that, that bears Attenborough's name, that house.
44:54 Speaker 04 That can run, they can run really, really fast.
44:56 Speaker 03 They can, that's, then they suddenly strike.
44:58 Speaker 04 They've got, uh, poison in their saliva.
45:01 Speaker 03 Poison in the saliva. So they bite the poor deer.
45:04 Speaker 04 Yeah, I've seen that. That is, that is.
45:05 Speaker 03 Then it just waddles after it for four hours.
45:08 Speaker 04 They just all just sit around and wait for it to slowly die.
45:10 Speaker 03 Yeah. And that is cold blood, isn't it? There's something, we don't, we don't mind a hothead, do we? You know, give me, give me Zinedine Zidane.
45:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
45:18 Speaker 03 Okay. Even, yes, the headbutt, perhaps he shouldn't have done it, but look. As we've come, he's French, it's a crime of passion.
45:26 Speaker 04 Sure.
45:26 Speaker 03 It's a crime of passion. And the other guy, he was whispering horrible things in his ear about his mum, I think, and all sorts.
45:34 Speaker 04 Can I take a little second stick up for the French?
45:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
45:37 Speaker 04 Just a moment here.
45:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
45:38 Speaker 04 Um, because I do think, uh, that, uh, famously throughout history, the British and the French, we've.
45:47 Speaker 03 We've not gone, and I don't really understand why.
45:49 Speaker 04 I'm gonna be honest, I feel like it's flirting.
45:51 Speaker 03 I think it's flirting. It is, it's the playground, isn't it?
45:54 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:55 Speaker 03 It's like, you're so annoying. You're so annoying.
45:58 Speaker 04 But, um, I think the French, um, because like the, the, the, the most recent world wars.
46:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:08 Speaker 04 Were basically on French soil, right? I think they get a bad rap for, like, they're, they're, they're called chickens and they're constantly surrendering. Like the joke is, oh, the French will surrender and all this. If you, and I, um, there's a chance, there's a small chance, Joe, that I might be wrong. Uh, but if you go, if you ask Google or whatever, who has won the most wars in history?
46:37 Speaker 03 Hmm.
46:37 Speaker 04 It is the French.
46:40 Speaker 03 They've had some very good victories.
46:42 Speaker 04 They have won the most wars in history as a nation is the French. So let's give them some, let's give them some sexy respect. And, and let's stop all this and just, let's just get off of each other.
46:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, let's just.
46:59 Speaker 04 We're neither British and the French, just gonna stop all this silliness.
47:02 Speaker 03 We're not like, we're not rivals, are we? Let's just hop into bed together.
47:07 Speaker 04 Exactly. Absolutely. But no, I think the French, Queen Lily May, can you back me up on that?
47:12 Speaker 02 I can back you up on that. I've had a little look and um, I don't know if it's necessarily like, people have got like cold hard stats, but it says it's widely considered that France is the country that have won the most wars in, in European history.
47:26 Speaker 03 Yeah. Lily May, while, while you're um, looking stuff up. You didn't actually, I know this is incoherent because this is actually from the previous episode.
47:36 Speaker 02 Okay.
47:37 Speaker 04 That's fine.
47:37 Speaker 03 Why does stat mean, oh Christ, yeah, we never got to the bottom of that, did we?
47:41 Speaker 02 No.
47:42 Speaker 03 We never.
47:43 Speaker 04 You better put that, you better put that in the description and this, in, in this week, we get to the bottom of why stat is stat.
47:48 Speaker 03 Something, yeah, we said we'd, this is so incoherent, we forgot, we just lost our train of thought, finished the episode, which is fucking long anyway.
47:54 Speaker 04 Yeah, where did stat come from? What is it short for? What's it an acronym for?
47:59 Speaker 03 Shall we try and have a guess quickly? Have you got any ideas?
48:01 Speaker 04 No, I genuinely don't. And it's something I have thought about before. I need 20 cc's of this stat.
48:07 Speaker 02 Right, do you want me to, do you want me to reveal?
48:09 Speaker 04 Yes, please. The love of God puts us out of misery.
48:12 Speaker 02 So um, it actually comes from, it derives from Latin.
48:16 Speaker 04 Hmm.
48:17 Speaker 02 Uh, the Latin word statim, which means instantly or immediately.
48:23 Speaker 04 Right.
48:23 Speaker 03 Ah, okay.
48:24 Speaker 04 Do you know what, Joe? I feel a bit stupid now.
48:27 Speaker 03 We'd never would have got that.
48:28 Speaker 04 No, I, I think if we, I think between the two of us, if we'd spent a little bit of time.
48:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, maybe we should have.
48:33 Speaker 04 Because there's so much Latin in medicine.
48:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
48:38 Speaker 04 We may have got to that, actually.
48:40 Speaker 03 We might have got to that.
48:41 Speaker 04 And we would have looked like geniuses.
48:43 Speaker 03 We should have thought of Latin.
48:44 Speaker 04 But no, we don't. We look like the fools that we are.
48:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, you're right.
48:49 Speaker 04 Oh, well.
48:49 Speaker 02 But you're our fools.
48:51 Speaker 04 Um, should we get to the bottom of, well, we've got Queen Lily May with us. Should we get to the bottom of someone in cold blood? I feel like I've described that as perfectly as possible. I don't think there's any uh, debate there at all whatsoever.
49:04 Speaker 03 It was described very well.
49:05 Speaker 02 You did describe it very well. You've done a very good job. Yeah, it is a sort of, um, generally kind of considered a sort of characteristic and a trait in terms of like it being cold blooded. Um, there is a little bit of extra stuff. So it's the sort of earliest uses of this is around the sixteen hundreds, early sixteen hundreds. Um, and they believe the first book it was ever used in was commentaries of the divers pieces of a service. And it said, a resolution framed in cold blood. Um, and again, it's sort of just linked to the, um, characteristics when people sort of temperature rose, but then when you're angry, you kind of take a step back and then you act in cold blood.
49:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:47 Speaker 02 When your blood has cooled down.
49:49 Speaker 04 Hmm.
49:50 Speaker 02 Um, but there is another idea, speaking of the French, um, there is a French word called sang-froid, which means in cold blood. But in the French meaning, it's kind of calmier with composure, which kind of generally is given a more positive spin. If you acted with composure and it's seen as a positive thing, however, the translation for us is, uh, more negative.
50:12 Speaker 03 Yeah. So it's in, yes, so cold bloodedness really, we like it in ourselves, but we don't like it in other people. I think that would be my, that would be my analysis of, of, of that. Or, well, no, actually, maybe that's true because that doesn't work with this. If you're doing something worthwhile, it's good to be calm. If you're doing something bad, it makes it even worse if you're calm.
50:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
50:35 Speaker 02 To further add, I've actually just seen as well, uh, there was a general belief in doctors that your emotions and your actions were closely linked. So if you acted coldly, you were maybe believed to genuinely be.
50:47 Speaker 04 Right. There was a physical.
50:49 Speaker 02 That they believe those two things were linked. So why do people say you're getting hot when you're angry?
50:53 Speaker 04 That, that is interesting. That is sort of, because you do. You do, I don't know if you do or not actually, to be for, to be honest with you, but I, you do feel physically hot if you're angry, if you're.
51:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
51:09 Speaker 04 There is, there is, there's some, it's, it's very base. It is very base. It's like how.
51:16 Speaker 03 Maybe, probably your blood supply, you're probably, your pulse has gone up. So more blood is reaching. I don't know, you're the extremities of your body and therefore you are maybe literally hotter.
51:30 Speaker 04 Do you think so?
51:31 Speaker 03 Maybe. Well, your pulse, if you have an elevated pulse.
51:33 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:34 Speaker 03 When blood's, hot blood is going around your body more quickly, so.
51:38 Speaker 04 The body works so hard to keep you at a constant temperature.
51:42 Speaker 03 It does, yeah.
51:44 Speaker 04 Um, but it is interesting that, that, that you do feel a physical.
51:49 Speaker 03 Hmm.
51:49 Speaker 04 Um, it's not just in your mind or just anecdote or whatever. You do feel, if you're angry, you do, you can, your face can go red, you can.
52:01 Speaker 03 I think that when you're feeling really angry about something, it's quite a good time to make a decision about something else.
52:09 Speaker 04 Go on.
52:09 Speaker 03 So often if you have, if there's something that you're really, really het up about.
52:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
52:14 Speaker 03 Then.
52:17 Speaker 03 You're like, I don't want to do about that. And you just want to sort it out. It's quite good.
52:23 Speaker 03 To use the energy to sort out completely unrelated matter.
52:27 Speaker 04 Right.
52:27 Speaker 03 So like.
52:31 Speaker 03 I think you can see, so I, I think basically anger will distort your ability to see a problem clearly.
52:37 Speaker 04 Yeah.
52:38 Speaker 03 But it will make you completely disinterested and um, disinterested in the positive sense. It will make you completely neutral and objective on an unrelated matter. If there's something, if there's something that's really, really winding you up and you're like, I just really, really want to sort that out.
52:55 Speaker 04 Yeah.
52:55 Speaker 03 Don't sort that out because you'll make a bad decision because you're a hater. Sort something else out.
53:00 Speaker 04 I'll be honest with you, John, I don't, I don't get that one.
53:02 Speaker 03 Okay. That's, I genuinely feel.
53:05 Speaker 04 I don't get that one.
53:06 Speaker 03 Like, um.
53:09 Speaker 03 Let's say you need to write a difficult email and you've been putting it off and you need to like turn something down.
53:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
53:14 Speaker 03 Wait till you're really, really worked up about something else. And now your difficult email, you say, well, in comparison to this thing, I'm genuinely upset about the moment. The difficult email feels like nothing.
53:22 Speaker 04 This doesn't seem so bad. Right. I've got you. I'm with you. I'm back with you.
53:26 Speaker 03 That's a little bit of advice from Planet Joe.
53:29 Speaker 04 Um, right. Well, um, there we go. That is. What did we say?
53:34 Speaker 03 What have we just been talking about?
53:35 Speaker 02 So that was, that was fact up.
53:36 Speaker 04 That was fact up.
53:37 Speaker 02 That was fact up.
53:38 Speaker 04 That was.
53:38 Speaker 03 Well, it wasn't fact up. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah.
53:40 Speaker 04 Well, no, it wasn't. No, I enjoyed that because.
53:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's true. Fact up.
53:44 Speaker 04 Yeah, but James Cameron.
53:46 Speaker 02 Yes.
53:47 Speaker 04 Um, was asking us what. Wasn't asking whether something was a fact, was just asking where the.
53:54 Speaker 03 Where does it come from?
53:55 Speaker 04 And I enjoyed that because it gave me licence to go, well, I'll tell you where it came from, boyo. Um, so thank you very much, James Cameron.
54:03 Speaker 03 James Cameron and good luck with, um, the forthcoming Avatar. Um, your quadrilogy or whatever it is, you know, you've got some amazing tech there and.
54:11 Speaker 04 How many Avatars have come out now?
54:12 Speaker 02 Two.
54:13 Speaker 04 Two? There's only been two?
54:14 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. Yeah. It famously takes some ages.
54:17 Speaker 04 I went to see the first Avatar.
54:19 Speaker 03 Once they've made one, you've got a sort of slightly weird.
54:21 Speaker 04 I went to see the first Avatar.
54:22 Speaker 03 So it's really, it's really worth it.
54:23 Speaker 04 The first Avatar, right, I'm not joking and I don't, and I support film and television. And I, and I, I admit that I am in, uh, I'm on shaky ground. I'm on thin ice. I can't start calling out other films, right? Or other, other projects, right?
54:43 Speaker 03 No, we.
54:43 Speaker 04 That film is shit.
54:47 Speaker 04 The first Avatar film was so fucking boring. The only reason I went to the cinema was because 3D was the thing and it would, it was just this. It was like 3D is going to take over the world. So I went to the cinema. I, they got those little glasses and they gave me those. The annoying thing is, is I've got a lazy eye.
55:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, I've got a lazy eye.
55:09 Speaker 04 And I cut, uh, this eye is, I can't see very well. I've only got one good eye. So that doesn't help. When you're trying to watch a 3D film. So I was watching a 3D film that was sort of blurry to me anyway. And, uh, and also the film was shit. And I was just like, this is so long and boring.
55:30 Speaker 03 I went to see a 3D film with Ian Morris once in LA and the only film that was available in 3D was this children's film about like, action rodents or something like it was, a man had taught rodents how to speak in a lab.
55:42 Speaker 04 If you say an anecdote, right, Joe will top you. Joe will come, if you go, oh, this was this weird thing I did. Joe will go, you think that's weird?
55:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, well, no, but I just, I just, the only thing I remember about the film is that like the scientists had taught like, chipmunks how to speak or something. And his boss came into the lab.
56:04 Speaker 04 Was it Alvin and the Chipmunks?
56:05 Speaker 03 No, it wasn't. No, no, no, you know, it was called something like, um, uh, what are they, uh, what do they call themselves? They're like,
56:13 Speaker 04 Prairie dogs. What?
56:15 Speaker 03 Hang on, no, um, um, it was called something like, uh, I'm just trying to think of a pun. Um.
56:25 Speaker 03 No, hang on. Um, it was called like the, the CIA medillows or something like, or, or like the FBI, the FBI'm, uh, rodent or something.
56:35 Speaker 04 Was it, uh, spies in the skies?
56:38 Speaker 03 Something like that. I don't, but,
56:40 Speaker 04 Was it about pigeons?
56:41 Speaker 03 No, it was about, they were definitely rodents. Basically, this, this, this scientist,
56:45 Speaker 04 I need to talk about spies in the skies at some point.
56:46 Speaker 03 This scientist who was supposed to be working for, for either FBI.
56:49 Speaker 02 Was it G-Force? And it was, and it was guinea pigs?
56:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, guinea pigs. Yeah. So he's,
56:55 Speaker 04 Why are you and Ian Morris going on?
56:57 Speaker 03 I don't know. Cause it was in 3D. But all of it was, so basically.
57:00 Speaker 04 By the way, before you like, before you carry on, you and Ian Morris are like paedophiles.
57:07 Speaker 03 There was no one in there. There was no,
57:09 Speaker 04 That makes it worse.
57:13 Speaker 03 It was in 3D. It was in 3D. We went in and-
57:18 Speaker 04 Stop saying it was in 3D.
57:21 Speaker 03 And all I remember is that there was this scientist, he was supposed to, he'd used government funding and he was supposed to be doing one product, uh, one project, but instead, he'd used all his funding and all his time to teach guinea pigs how to speak. And his boss came in and was like, "What the hell are you doing? You wasted all our money!" He was like, "He's fucking taught guinea pigs to speak!"
57:38 Speaker 04 I know, yeah, that's pretty good.
57:39 Speaker 03 "That's the biggest scientist ever, he breaks her ever!" And he goes, "You stupid idiot! You wasted our money! You've wasted, you've given us nothing!" And the guinea pigs were like, "What? He hasn't turned it off!" They were like, "You shut up as well!"
57:52 Speaker 03 It was ridiculous. And then occasionally, like, a big beam of wood had come out or something. And I'd just kind of go, "Oh, god", and it just made me feel kind of squeamish. And like, as I've got the lazy eye as well, so I could barely fucking see anything anyway. I think we just left. I was like, "I feel sick." I don't, like, I've just written down the word "fire up dead."
58:13 Speaker 03 Right. This is interesting, because this, this leads, I mean, I don't think during that story I wrote it down, but-
58:19 Speaker 04 What are we doing?
58:20 Speaker 03 No, I've got, I've got my facts, so-
58:22 Speaker 02 I think we've transitioned into Joe's facts.
58:24 Speaker 03 It's my fact, so you also, because my fact-
58:27 Speaker 02 We're going into your fact-
58:28 Speaker 03 But my fact is related, my fact is related.
58:31 Speaker 04 Right, well, let me just tee this up a little bit then.
58:33 Speaker 03 Oh, sorry, yeah, yeah.
58:34 Speaker 04 Um, so, what was that? Cows lying down? What was it?
58:39 Speaker 03 No, that was the last episode!
58:40 Speaker 04 That was the last one.
58:40 Speaker 03 That was, no, oh my god.
58:42 Speaker 04 Oh, in Cold Blood.
58:42 Speaker 03 We've got to get out of this room. We have to get out of this room.
58:46 Speaker 04 That was us talking about in Cold Blood, right? We've done that, we've done fact check. Now's the time, uh, the point in the show where Joe presents us with a fact, and apparently, all that weird stuff that he just mentioned there is going to lead into his fact.
58:59 Speaker 03 It is actually going to lead in. And, um, also, we should say, if there's something you'd like us to fact check, head to our episode's description for all the ways to get in touch.
59:06 Speaker 04 Oh, nice one, Joe.
59:06 Speaker 02 Love a bit of business.
59:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, pretty slick from me. And as I, uh, just promised you, it is a related fact. It's tech fact. We were speaking about 3D, uh, films and so on.
59:20 Speaker 03 My fact is about Smell-O-Vision, which is something that I've.
59:26 Speaker 04 Me and you are both obsessed with this.
59:28 Speaker 03 We're both, yeah.
59:29 Speaker 04 We're both sort of like, we both think about Smell-O-Vision quite a lot.
59:34 Speaker 03 It's interesting.
59:35 Speaker 04 I feel like it was a thing in the sixties.
59:38 Speaker 03 It's not a very sexy area, like, I'm always like, why is my fucking printer so shit? And it's because no one wants to work on printers, do they? The, I'm sure we could sort out printers.
59:50 Speaker 04 Well, I'll tell you something, I've got a shit hot printer.
59:52 Speaker 03 What is it?
59:52 Speaker 04 I've had it for about ten years. I'm not even joking, it is, it is, don't get me wrong, it works.
1:00:02 Speaker 04 One times out of ten.
1:00:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:00:04 Speaker 04 I don't know what, but that's just printers, right? They never wanna work. Printers never wanna work, ever.
1:00:09 Speaker 03 Well, it's amazing how, how in favour of this printer you are.
1:00:13 Speaker 04 But when it does work, it's brilliant.
1:00:16 Speaker 03 What the fuck does that mean? That's like, that's like something they say.
1:00:20 Speaker 03 What do you mean it's brilliant? What, does it?
1:00:22 Speaker 04 It's a HP Inkjet. Two hundred, I think it's called, right? It's also a scanner.
1:00:29 Speaker 03 Well, get it.
1:00:30 Speaker 04 It looks like a mini.
1:00:31 Speaker 03 When you have a moment, have a proper check and.
1:00:33 Speaker 04 Do you remember when, um, do you remember when you were a kid in primary school? And your teacher would go, can you make twenty copies of that? And you felt like the luckiest person in the world because you got to go to the copy machine.
1:00:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:00:43 Speaker 04 It's, and the copy machine was taller than you.
1:00:46 Speaker 03 It was an incredible thing, the copy machine.
1:00:47 Speaker 04 Very sort of diluted version of the copy machine, which I think is probably why I love it so much.
1:00:53 Speaker 03 Because you've actually got a glass thing on it.
1:00:55 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
1:00:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, I got, yeah, yeah.
1:00:57 Speaker 04 But it's an, it's a, um, what do they call it? It's not a, i- i- it does colour, but it's a, it's a, not a scanner, but it's a.
1:01:10 Speaker 04 Oh, what's the word called? It prints like fucking, like, nobody's business. It just fires out. It doesn't do that thing where it's like eh eh.
1:01:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:01:20 Speaker 04 It just like shoots it out.
1:01:22 Speaker 03 Hmm.
1:01:22 Speaker 04 Is that like a normal thing these days? Yeah. Oh, okay.
1:01:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, I would say actually, yeah, most printers are less than primental.
1:01:30 Speaker 04 I'll be honest with you, and it's it's held up really well. It was one of the first printers that um connected to your wifi. So my, I can print, when it does decide to work, I can print from my phone. I can be like downstairs and I'll have something that I need to sign and I can just send it to my printer. But but but like I say, nine times out of ten, it won't connect. It won't do it. It doesn't wanna do it.
1:01:59 Speaker 02 And this and this printer is shit hot.
1:02:01 Speaker 04 It does. But it's so good.
1:02:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, um, it does sound amazing.
1:02:06 Speaker 04 It is so good. I'm gonna, eh, can you remind me to get a picture of it? And I'll, and we'll, and we'll, uh. No, don't. She will go, what the fuck's he doing?
1:02:17 Speaker 03 Well, ask ask it to print one out now and then there'll be a one in ten chance.
1:02:20 Speaker 04 No, I'm gonna make sure there is a printer. If you're watching this on YouTube, you'll you'll see a picture of it. Uh, and it's a really good fucking printer.
1:02:29 Speaker 02 I can't wait.
1:02:30 Speaker 03 It might, I mean, I I've got.
1:02:31 Speaker 04 When it works. It doesn't work all the time is the only problem.
1:02:35 Speaker 03 No, but I so so I am.
1:02:39 Speaker 03 I am interested in in Smell-O-Vision because I feel that it's, we've never really bothered to. You know, there's no way that like.
1:02:50 Speaker 04 Laserjet.
1:02:53 Speaker 04 Sorry.
1:02:53 Speaker 03 It's not an HP?
1:02:55 Speaker 04 No, it's HP, but it's laserjet.
1:02:56 Speaker 03 It's an HP laserjet.
1:02:57 Speaker 04 That's what it's called.
1:02:58 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:03:00 Speaker 02 Back to Smell-O-Vision.
1:03:01 Speaker 04 But it but it's in it's in colour.
1:03:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:04 Speaker 02 Well, there's been around for ages.
1:03:06 Speaker 03 I'm also interested in printers and and for example, I had a Samsung once and it never bloody worked. And it turns out that it's just because Samsung and Apple don't get on.
1:03:15 Speaker 04 Yeah, they don't. They hate each other.
1:03:17 Speaker 03 Well, you're meant to be, you're meant to be like, you're meant to be, what the fuck? Talk about some cold blooded news from you guys, please.
1:03:25 Speaker 04 It's like the French and the British. They just need to suck each other off and just get it over with.
1:03:29 Speaker 03 I really, it. And who who pays the price?
1:03:34 Speaker 04 We do.
1:03:35 Speaker 03 We do. As per. Right.
1:03:40 Speaker 04 Sorry, Joe. What's your fact for us?
1:03:41 Speaker 03 So, Smell-O-Vision, you know, is not one of those technologies where President Kennedy would have stood up and said, "We will show we're the greatest country in the world because by the end of the decade, Americans will be smelling their television." Like, it's just not, it's not a showy technology.
1:03:57 Speaker 04 We will smell television and do, and do all the other things, not because they are easy.
1:04:02 Speaker 03 Not because they're difficult.
1:04:03 Speaker 04 But because they are hard.
1:04:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly. So, um, and as a result of this, really, hasn't really, hasn't really.
1:04:10 Speaker 04 Smell vision.
1:04:11 Speaker 03 Hasn't really, yeah. So, a chap called Mike Todd Jr. in 1960 founded a company called Smell-O-Vision. It was, it was available as a name.
1:04:21 Speaker 04 Good.
1:04:21 Speaker 03 Uh, and, um, it, the idea was that as you watched films, the film reel would trigger the release of bottled scents, allowing the audience to smell the film. Only one film was ever made using this technology.
1:04:39 Speaker 04 Using Smell-O-Vision.
1:04:40 Speaker 03 It was 1960s.
1:04:43 Speaker 04 Was it The Creature from the Bog or something like that?
1:04:46 Speaker 03 Yeah. It was the 1960 film, Scent of Mystery.
1:04:53 Speaker 03 So they're covering all their bases. They're like, even if they get the smells wrong, they're like, yeah. They're like, what's that smell? Exactly. Yeah. You decide. Um, it was, it was the only film to ever make use of the technology. And that is really that, as far as.
1:05:12 Speaker 04 I love that though. I love that sort of, uh, you know, sort of late 50s.
1:05:18 Speaker 03 I know.
1:05:18 Speaker 04 Late 50s to late 60s. What a bizarre sort of pioneering.
1:05:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:05:25 Speaker 04 Anything's possible.
1:05:26 Speaker 03 I know, I know.
1:05:28 Speaker 04 Time to be, especially, I, I feel especially if you were in America at that point as well.
1:05:33 Speaker 03 As well. I, I really think they had a sense of like, there are no limits here at all.
1:05:39 Speaker 04 We're gonna, we're gonna have like the Jetsons, like we're gonna live like the Jetsons in the next couple of years. Like, I genuinely think like that was what. Was in their heads. I, I know. Again, specifically if you were in America in the sixties.
1:05:52 Speaker 03 I agree. Well, I think, I think after the Second World War, Europe was just totally bankrupt.
1:05:56 Speaker 04 We were on our arse, yeah.
1:05:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, we were on our arse. And then, and they'd emerged basically fine and had lots of money.
1:06:03 Speaker 04 Well, they'd funded a lot of stuff.
1:06:04 Speaker 03 But they, but certainly they'd, they had the money.
1:06:06 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:06:07 Speaker 03 And it must have just seemed like an unbelievable time to.
1:06:12 Speaker 04 God, yeah, it was great.
1:06:13 Speaker 03 Like, I remember there's a bit in American Pastoral where.
1:06:14 Speaker 04 Say what you like about the Second World War, it was great business for the, for America.
1:06:19 Speaker 03 Right.
1:06:20 Speaker 04 It was fucking brilliant. It really has just, it really did just set the tone for the next hundred years.
1:06:25 Speaker 03 Well, they were just the only ones with any money after it.
1:06:28 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:06:28 Speaker 03 There's, there's a bit in American Pastoral by Philip Roth where he's going like, he's saying like, let's remember the energy. And it's amazing, it just like, America was paying for everything. It was just doing everything. And like, and, and that is summed up by Smell-O-Vision. But the only, but the only, um, the only other, as far as I can tell in my life, the only other time this has briefly come back is there was a, I think it was a Comic Relief one year.
1:06:49 Speaker 04 Right.
1:06:49 Speaker 03 Where the Radio Times had, I think, a little scratch and sniff.
1:06:52 Speaker 04 Right.
1:06:53 Speaker 03 Where you could, at various times.
1:06:55 Speaker 04 Playstation used to do scratch and sniff, uh, games. I had, uh, I can't remember which one it was, Gran Turismo two?
1:07:07 Speaker 03 What, so you could smell the, uh?
1:07:08 Speaker 04 Might have been one. The, the CD was bubbly and you sort of rubbed it and you, and on Gran Turismo you could smell burnt tyre. Um, I think there was a FIFA game as well, one of, one of the Fafas that smelt like wet grass.
1:07:24 Speaker 03 That's interesting.
1:07:26 Speaker 04 You say it's interesting.
1:07:27 Speaker 03 Did it work?
1:07:27 Speaker 04 I don't know whether I just made that up in my brain. I've got a memory of that happening. It is real. Thank God for that. Otherwise, uh, you will need to put me in a straitjacket.
1:07:39 Speaker 03 But, so there you go. And, and as far as I'm aware, Smell-O-Vision is, is still sort of.
1:07:46 Speaker 04 But to be fair, to be fair, it does make sense. And if you're, if you're nineteen sixty in America. Where you feel like anything's possible. Uh, where you feel like some real technological advances are gonna be made any minute now. With NASA and things like that that's going on.
1:08:07 Speaker 04 Then you start to, you start to look at cinema. If you work in cinema and you go, well, the, you know, the, the, the idea is to, is to be, is to evoke. Emotion and, uh, and then you go, well, what's, what's one of the most evocative senses? Smell. It does, it seems like a logical sort of step to, to include that in the experience of going to a cinema.
1:08:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's not, it, it's, smell is definitely the least sort of noble of the senses. I think it's seen, it's probably the most kind of. I can't really think of.
1:08:41 Speaker 04 It's linked to memory, isn't it?
1:08:43 Speaker 03 But yeah, and yeah, it's incredibly, it, it's incredibly, well, Proust. Uh, his Remembrance of Things Past is basically just, I haven't read it. I think almost no one has, but like.
1:08:55 Speaker 02 But you've smelt it.
1:08:56 Speaker 03 Well, I've smelt it. I got a whiff of it and I thought, yeah, I get it. But he, he smells some madeleines, does he? Is there some like, he, these cakes?
1:09:05 Speaker 04 I know the name.
1:09:05 Speaker 03 And it takes him back. It takes him all the way back and he's like, oh god, I'm back there.
1:09:10 Speaker 04 Right.
1:09:11 Speaker 03 And, um, that's the gist of it.
1:09:13 Speaker 04 Fair enough.
1:09:14 Speaker 03 He goes, oh god, I'm back there.
1:09:16 Speaker 04 Fair enough. Hey, should we?
1:09:17 Speaker 03 He writes it all down and then it goes to the publisher.
1:09:20 Speaker 04 We do need to wrap this up.
1:09:21 Speaker 03 We've got to wrap it up.
1:09:22 Speaker 04 We have got to.
1:09:22 Speaker 03 So it's the end.
1:09:24 Speaker 04 Uh, this is it. I'm all fact out. I'm definitely all fact out by this point. Uh, what have we learnt today, Queen Lily May?
1:09:32 Speaker 03 What? But we don't even know. You were still, we were doing the cow one still, that's last episode.
1:09:35 Speaker 04 Do you know what, man? I'm gonna, I'm just gonna, uh, I'm gonna ask that you sum up the, sum up what we learnt from every episode from now on.
1:09:43 Speaker 02 Okay, fine. Right, so.
1:09:45 Speaker 03 From now on. Do you hear that? He said from now on.
1:09:48 Speaker 04 No, but I can't even remember my own facts.
1:09:50 Speaker 02 You've done a good job.
1:09:52 Speaker 03 I'll do it.
1:09:53 Speaker 04 Oh, go on then, Joe. Well, no, because we want to finish this now.
1:09:56 Speaker 03 I'll do it. No, all right, look, I'll remember. So.
1:09:59 Speaker 04 What have we learnt?
1:10:00 Speaker 03 So we've learnt that there was.
1:10:02 Speaker 04 Cows lie down.
1:10:03 Speaker 03 No, we've learnt that there was an astonishing computation machine discovered on a shipwreck that appeared to be, that was 2000 years old.
1:10:12 Speaker 04 I forgot that.
1:10:13 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:10:14 Speaker 04 That was my fact.
1:10:15 Speaker 03 We learned that.
1:10:18 Speaker 04 Also, can you put?
1:10:19 Speaker 03 We learned that in cold blood means killing somebody with a lack of emotion that is really more evil than killing them in hot blood. And we learned that there was only ever one film made that released smells.
1:10:34 Speaker 04 And what was it called?
1:10:35 Speaker 03 It was called Scent of Mystery.
1:10:37 Speaker 04 Brilliant. All right. Well, carry on, Joe.
1:10:41 Speaker 03 We hope you've learned something or had a nice time. Doesn't necessarily need to have been both. We'll be back next week armed with more facts, chats and the latest apps because it's tech.
1:10:51 Speaker 04 Absolutely, yeah. And don't forget that you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true for you. We'll do the research. Me and Joe will talk bollocks for a bit. Or whatever nonsense that you want to get to us. Our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp is 07822034330. And you can follow us on social media at joeandjamespod and head to the pod doc, pod, podcast description, podcast description, if you've already forgotten those details. Thanks, guys. That's an end of the rep.
1:11:23 Speaker 03 Goodbye.
1:11:24 Speaker 04 We'll be back next week with some more of this bollocks, mate.
1:11:26 Speaker 03 Bye.
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