Joe and James "Audition" for Twilight

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  I'm Claire Buckley and this Halloween on my podcast, Pretty Scary, we are gonna cover the stories that keep you up at night. Real crimes, ghosts and aliens. Plus, the scariest movies to watch this spooky season with the lights off. So, as the nights draw in, the pumpkins are carved and somewhere in the dark, something is scratching at the window. It's probably just the cat, right? Get the candles lit in search for Pretty Scary with Claire Buckley.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  We should probably kick off by saying Queen Lily May is back with us.

• 0:44Speaker 02

  Yes, Lily May is back.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Thank god.

• 0:46Speaker 02

  And, um, yes.

• 0:47Speaker 01

  And I...

• 0:49Speaker 02

  The beer is back.

• 0:50Speaker 01

  I am fulfilling last week's prophecy.

• 0:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  I said that I'm gonna get so drunk this week.

• 0:59Speaker 03

  I didn't know that.

• 1:00Speaker 02

  Good. How many, how many episodes are we doing? Two? Okay, that's, that's fine. If we're doing three, we'd be...

• 1:06Speaker 01

  So this episode, I've just started. I'm on my first beer.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  By the time we get to the next episode, that's the one you're really gonna wanna choose.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. You'll be...

• 1:15Speaker 01

  I've sort of set myself a challenge.

• 1:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  I'm drinking for two.

• 1:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20Speaker 01

  That's what I used to say to my wife when she was pregnant.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  That's lovely.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  But just because last week I couldn't, um, I couldn't have a drink, so I was driving. I had to drive somewhere after the record and it genuinely put me in a really bad mood.

• 1:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, you would...

• 1:33Speaker 01

  I was really furious.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, you were really, you really felt like snukered by life.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was like, well, hang on, this is not why I signed up to do a podcast. To be sober?

• 1:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  What are you talking about?

• 1:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. And did it go alright in Manchester?

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, fine.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  We were doing the BBC, weren't we?

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Went all the way out to Manchester, did BBC Breakfast. Um, they were really, really nice.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  They were really nice, actually. Big Inbetweeners fans.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  That's nice.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  Which is always, which is always great. Um, the guy, the, what do you call them? They're not news anchors, are they? Hosts?

• 2:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, presenter.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Presenter, presenter.

• 2:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, anchors probably still correct, it's a bit sort of retro.

• 2:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. John, he, uh, he's a big Inbetweeners fan. And, um, he, before I went on, he was live on television.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  And he sent someone out while I was waiting to come on and said, and said, oh, can you get James to do a video for my son? He's in Australia at the moment, he'd absolutely love it. And, um, this lady who didn't know, didn't know the Inbetweeners, she was, she was one of the producers, one of the floor runners. And she was like, oh, John, um, John's a, he's a big fan of the, that, the thing that you do, the Inbetweeners. He wants you to do a, a video for his son. His son's 19, he's travelling Australia at the moment. Um, he said, you can say whatever you want. You can, she went, you can be as rude as you like. And then I rattled off some stuff and she was like, oh, well, I wasn't.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  And I said, when she gave him the phone, I went, I can be as rude as I like. And she went, yeah. And then I did a little video for, for his, for his son. She went, oh, I wasn't, I wasn't expecting that.

• 3:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I, I mean, I'm sure you were, you were charming with it. So I sometimes get asked you videos and people go like, ah, you call him a cunt, tell him he's a fat dick.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:26Speaker 02

  And you're like, well, I don't, I just don't know that person.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  No. I feel, it's a bit harsh, isn't it?

• 3:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  Coming from me, like, coming from, I don't even know you, mate.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  And I'm calling you a fat dick.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's like.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just, it's hashtag bants.

• 3:41Speaker 03

  There is someone who comments on every podcast.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Oh, saying, can you call someone a fat prick or something?

• 3:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  I'm not doing it.

• 3:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, and I've purposely not used the, the language because I actually quite enjoy seeing it every, like, scene that they've read and listen to the episode.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  I've seen your message every week.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  I'm not doing it. We just don't know, this person might not deserve this, this abuse. So we can't just, yeah, they might be a.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  Oh, no, I'm sure they do.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  They probably, I'm sure they'll be all right. But we're just, we're just not doing it because.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  No, no, it's now funnier for me.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Because this bloke wants me to take, take the piss out of his mate.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  But I'm getting more joy out of him asking every week.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So we're basically, we're trying to.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Keep asking, see what happens. I'm sure I will. I'm sure I'll end up doing it.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Why not?

• 4:30Speaker 02

  There's probably a bit more life in it, yeah.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  I think he's gonna.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  It's good to be back, good to be back with a beer.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Oh, we can, we can now, we can now say that we're gonna be live.

• 4:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Uh, uh, the, uh, the big festival this year.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  Um, it's been officially announced. Essentially, basically what it is, is it's a big massive party. Um, with live music and loads of really great food in Alex James, the bassist from Blur's back garden.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Like, that's what it is. Whenever we, I've been, we've been, I've been going there now, what, four years on the trot now? It's brilliant. It's absolutely amazing. It's like.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  I love going there. Um, and I do walk around and I go, this is just his.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  This is just a part of his house. This is just a part of his.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  It is weird.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's nice to have a house that you can have a.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can have a great big massive festival.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  I could have a festival in my garden, but it'd be, it'd have some problems.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:32Speaker 03

  It'd be fire festival.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  It'd be fire.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, there'd be lots of things on fire. Well, we could do that.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  A festival in my back garden, be quite, I'll tell you what.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  Turn up with stuff that you wanna burn.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Yes, bring some, yeah, anything you wanna burn.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  If, if there's anything you wanna put in the compost, you can, yeah. If you've got anything for the fox.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Have you got one of those bins?

• 5:54Speaker 02

  I've got two compost bins.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  No, have you got, have you got one of those like metal bins with the whole, they look like.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  No, I haven't got that now. I've got, I've got, um, I've got a, a, I've got a wood burning stove.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Right. That's what you're just chucking stuff on.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's just in there. It's, it's, it's only little, like, it's a little stove. I have to chop everything up quite small to, to get it in there. Um, and, um, also when I moved into the house, I was like, why get a shredder when I've just got a fire? It turns out it takes a really, really long time to burn, like, confidential documents. I've got two big, there's a rule that says it is just a fire hazard. I've got two big, we haven't got smoke alarm. I mean, to be honest, it is.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  The house might burn down. If you hear the house has burned down, you don't even really need to be like surprised.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  I don't know the rules with burning stuff. I don't know whether it's easy for stuff to burn down or hard to burn down. Something that Claire has told me, and I've never asked her, but a fact that she pops up with once or twice a year.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  Pops up?

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Uh, is uh, how difficult it is to burn a body.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  So like, if you're thinking of murdering someone and you'll go, oh, just burn the body, it apparently is really, really fucking hard.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  You need to get it really, really, really hard.

• 7:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  If you do want to get rid of a body, listeners, viewers.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Would chemicals be better?

• 7:14Speaker 02

  Well, I was just gonna say pigs, just feed it.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  They do, don't they? They eat everything, bones and that.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, again, it won't surprise you to learn that I was at the zoo again this week, um, with, and, um, and they've got some woolly pigs.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  And I was there in my dorm room, look at these woolly pigs, and I was genuinely thinking, they'd eat a body, wouldn't they? If I put, if I, because pigs are very, very ambiguous creatures, aren't they? Because they're basically, essentially, they're friendly. They go, they go around and they're meant to be quite clever. And they're not dirty. They don't deserve that reputation.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  No, they're meant to be really intelligent.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  They're intelligent. They, they, I think they like to have toys and things, but they will just completely devour a corpse.

• 7:49Speaker 01

  They can herd sheep.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  Pigs can? Oh, well, as Dick King, don't tell me. And also, don't tell Dick King Smith, the author of The Sheep Pig, AKA Babe.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  I didn't know that was a book. I just knew it was a film.

• 8:02Speaker 02

  It was, it was a book. Yeah, Dick King Smith, he also wrote, um, George Speaks, which was about a talking baby.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  What's funny about it is they're like, well, babies do learn to talk. It's really just about, oh, it's a talking human, you know?

• 8:19Speaker 01

  Well, do you remember Harrison was like that?

• 8:21Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  Like Harrison learnt to talk really, really quickly. When he was like, a year and a half, like, under two years old, this, it's something I'm super, super proud of.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  I never really big my kids up because they don't, to be fair on them, I do love those guys.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  They don't give me a lot of stuff to big them up about.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  But.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  Harrison, um, he had a checkup before he was two from the nurse to come around to see his development and stuff like that. And she was like, he's got the vocabulary of a five year old.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  And it was like, we took it, I took him to Australia and stuff like that. And he was like cracking jokes. It was like wheeling out. When we went to dinner and stuff, I'd like wheel out this toddler, this baby that could talk.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  It was like, look who's talking.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, he'd come out and be like, so, do you think England will reclaim the ashes?

• 9:15Speaker 01

  But there is a lesson there, because I was like, God, he's gonna be really intelligent when he grows up.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  Right, okay. Well.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  It didn't work. It didn't work out that way.

• 9:23Speaker 02

  We all, we all peak.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  He's a good guy though, I like him. You know, I'm, I'm, he's my boy. I like Harrison a lot, but.

• 9:29Speaker 02

  We all, you know, we all peak at different times.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  He peaked.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  And he peaked early, you know, yeah. You know, he should have.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  He's on the downslide now.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  A long, the long tail of Harrison. Um, well, no, I obviously I doubt that. I'm, I, I think that sort of brains at an early age is gonna stick with you.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  But then the opposite happened for Jude.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Because Harrison wouldn't shut up.

• 9:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Never rea- Jude took ages to learn how to talk properly. Um, because Harrison would just talk for him all the time. He would constantly be like, oh Jude wants one of them. We go, no, he can say, well, like, we had to say that to Harrison all the time. No, Jude needs to tell us when he wants something.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  Well, this was the dynamic of me and you when you were asleep in the interview and I was talking. For you.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  When was that?

• 10:20Speaker 01

  I, so we were talking about it, like, was it last week?

• 10:22Speaker 02

  Last week. Um, we were doing an interview with the Radio Times. James was just.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  It was at a big table. I remember being a.

• 10:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, not that big though. I mean, it was, I think you thought it was so big that parts of it were invisible.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  But, but, um, it was a big round table. I don't really know why. You always end up with these weird setups for interviews.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  You always end up in like a boardroom where there's like.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  That's what it was like.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  Twenty chairs. And it's like, where should we all sit?

• 10:44Speaker 01

  It was like a meeting room, sort of thing.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Um, like in a, yeah, and, and you.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  I was just quite tired.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  And I put, I just, I just put my head on my arms on this desk while we were being interviewed and just fell asleep.

• 11:01Speaker 02

  But they were directing questions to you.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Asking questions.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  And I, and I, and I was trying to go, yeah, I mean, I think what James would say to that is that, and then you woke up and you told me you'd had a dream about a rhinoceros.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was weird, wasn't it?

• 11:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and I, my reaction could only really be, well, that is also not something we can tell the Radio Times.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  No. Oh, sorry about that.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  No, it's it's me. I mean, yeah.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  In my defence, right, I bet they thought, oh, these actor types.

• 11:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  He was probably out all night.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  Fucking drugs and drink and all that. No, it's because I was, I was, I must have been a dad by that point.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. So that's what that was.

• 11:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  You you can't.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  You can't really, if you, if you do wanna be like a, like a, a successful actor.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  You've got to have nothing else at all going on in your life whatsoever.

• 11:56Speaker 02

  You have to move to America.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to do stuff like that.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  To leave your country. If you're English, you wanna become a successful actor, you need to leave.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:05Speaker 02

  Your country.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  If you've already got success.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  And you're established, then that, then you can have some kids and stuff like that. But I'd, I'd, I'd done the in between us. And then I had some, I had kids. So that's, that's as successful as I'll ever get. Cause I just don't have the commitment.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  Yes, it's hard to, like, yes, I suppose whenever I would, uh, when I was young. Whenever I heard about anyone who was the age that I am now, and they were trying to sort of start something else up.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 12:44Speaker 02

  Like, I would always be like, just give up, man. Just come on, just. I was honestly like, I'll see you in six months when you've given up.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:54Speaker 02

  And I suppose I'm, I'm now that. It's funny, some friends of ours told, uh, us a story about, like, they're a couple who I suppose are mine and Hannah's age, and they'd started going to Spanish lessons, I think. And they became friends with this other couple who were doing Spanish lessons. And this was a younger couple, like, I don't know, twenty three or something.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 13:14Speaker 02

  And one day after class, this younger couple said to them, it's so good that you guys are.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  You know, trying to learn a skill.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  This is gonna be patronizing, isn't it?

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Later in life.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, good.

• 13:28Speaker 02

  Later in life.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  But the point I'm.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  Fucking hell, like you've got, like, you, well, you, because you've probably got Alzheimer's. That's the, the implication of that is literally that, that's the implication, later in life, what they're saying is.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  Because I imagine it's not quite what it was, is it? Do you know your son's name?

• 13:43Speaker 01

  That's, yeah, yeah. They're backhanded compliments.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  It's why, it's like when.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  One of the worst backhanded compliments is, is, um, I think that's honorable.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  I think when, when you hear something like that.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  Sometimes I've done stand up and the person afterwards has said, do you enjoy it?

• 14:05Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  They go.

• 14:07Speaker 02

  Come on, man.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  That's really brave of you.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  I've had that as well.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, you've had that.

• 14:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  Um. My point was, not because like.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  I've had all of those types of comments and none from column A.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  The sort of, um, the sort of acting job, this like to wanna be a successful actor or what, you've got to be all in. And I wasn't, I wasn't blaming my kids, by the way, when I said that. It's because now, it used to be years ago, from when I was a kid, up until, up until I had kids, basically, where I was like, I just, I really, really wanna be a comedic actor so much. That's the most, that's the, that's all I want, I really want that. And now, all I wanna do is hang out with my kids.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  So when a job does come and there's been some opportunities come my way and I've gone, eh, I'd rather hang out with my kids than do that.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  I suppose you can't fight nature, can you?

• 15:04Speaker 02

  Children do sort of, like, appear to. Like, well, I have, I have, I have one child, I, and she has, she has completely blown out of the water any other ambitions I might have had. Not because I can't do them, because I'm like, well, they're pointless. Like, they don't matter.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  They just don't matter, like, and you're like, well, like.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  Well, that's it, that's, that's my point as well. Maybe they do matter.

• 15:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  But it's just in your brain.

• 15:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:33Speaker 01

  Some amazing opportunity might come and you'll go, oh, well, I won't.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  See them for a few weeks.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  Really wanna do that.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  We were always quite diffident about opportunists, weren't we? Like even when Warhorse came along.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  Fuck off.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, we didn't, we didn't take anything seriously.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  Do you wanna know, when I heard that Warhorse edition came in, I, do you honestly, genuinely what I thought was, that sounds shit.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  That's genuinely what I thought. It sounded like, it honestly, what it put me in mind of was it was, was a show we used to watch when I was at school called Badger Girl.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Where I was like, it just sounds like Badger Girl.

• 16:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 16:11Speaker 02

  It sounds like, it sounds rubbish. Horses can't talk. How's it gonna be about a horse? A horse isn't a main character. You're gonna have to make up some story about a horse. It'll be a really simple story. A horse cannot have a complicated story. A horse is like, oh, I've lost my stable. Oh, I'm back in the stable.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's as far as that can go.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  There was a, oh, the, the bang startled me in, in, in the middle.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  But this was a warhorse.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  That's what I mean, the bang, yeah. A warhorse, yeah.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Um, but I, yeah, no, I sometimes worry that I am too in charge of my own career.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  So if, for example, if, let me think of a big.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  If Twilight.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  If I got the script of Twilight.

• 16:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  It hadn't, Twilight wasn't a thing. I'd not seen the books or, or read the book. You read, you read a book, didn't you? That's what you do. You don't just look at them.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  If you want, but if you, if you want the full immersive experience, you, you wanna kind of, um.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  So I've not read the books. Twilight's not been a thing yet in the cinema. And they've gone, we want you, James, to be the lead in this, uh, film. It's called Twilight. I'd read that and I'd go, this is fucking rubbish. I'm not doing this. And then it would go on to be what it ended up being.

• 17:30Speaker 02

  I know.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  And I've done that. I've done stuff like that. I've done low, I've done, I've done it, I've done it a hundred times.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Warhorse is probably quite good in the end, to be fair.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, we should have maybe taken it seriously.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. I remember, I saw, I saw the trailer for it. I thought, oh, oh, they've done something that looks quite good. It's quite good. That's what I'm saying. Literally, I saw the trailer for it. And, um.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  When I first saw it, I was like, oh, are they making a film about that play where they get the knob out and stuff and fuck a horse or whatever it was? Yeah.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  I don't know anything about that play.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Four horse was equated.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  I don't know anything about that play. I just know that.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Oh, that's, I know. It's just that one. The only thing anyone knows about that play is it's got, well Radcliffe was in it, wasn't he?

• 18:12Speaker 01

  Radcliffe, yeah.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  He hung dong, didn't he?

• 18:14Speaker 02

  He did, yeah. He did. Good on him, to be honest. He's, I, he's a, he's committed, Radcliffe. I've, I like Radcliffe. I've got a lot of time for him.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  I've got nothing, I've got nothing bad to say about Radcliffe.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  He seems like genuinely a lovely fellow.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  I will defend him to the ends of the earth.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think I'd probably die in a ditch for Radcliffe. He just seems like a good egg.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  I'd kill for Radcliffe.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  I have killed for him.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  That's how I got the pie. There were someone else, there was someone else up for Potter.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  I'd let him.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  They had a bit of an accident.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Right. I'd, I'd let him, you know.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Shame those other Potter candidates couldn't make it to the audition in the end. Let's just say they'll be singing the new year.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  What are we doing? Are we doing a podcast?

• 19:12Speaker 03

  Yes. Well, actually, what I was gonna propose is just before you said that, I thought it'd be nice maybe if I could get you to read some of the Twilight script to one another.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  All right.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  Who would like to be Bella and who would like to be Edward?

• 19:24Speaker 02

  I don't know who any of them are.

• 19:25Speaker 03

  So Edward is vampire and Bella is his love interest and the main character.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  I feel like, just because of our physicality, I feel like I would be better suited for Bella.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  Well, if you look in our little WhatsApp chat, I've just sent you.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  So Edward, so Edward is, that's Pattinson, is it?

• 19:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's Pattinson.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  And then, so he's a vampire?

• 19:50Speaker 03

  He's a vampire.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  And then Bella is human?

• 19:53Speaker 03

  Yes. And they, they go to the same school, they meet, and I've got a little bit of the script here of when, of when she's sort of putting together that he is a vampire.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  Okay, here we go.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  All right, here we go.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  You're impossibly fast and strong. Your skin is pale, white and ice cold. Your eyes change colour and sometimes you speak like, like you're from a different time. You never eat or drink anything. You don't go out in the sunlight. How old are you?

• 20:32Speaker 02

  Seventeen.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  How long have you been seventeen?

• 20:38Speaker 02

  A while.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  I know what you are.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Say it. Out loud, say it.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Vampire!

• 20:49Speaker 02

  Are you afraid?

• 20:50Speaker 01

  No.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  Then ask me the most basic question. What do we eat?

• 20:56Speaker 01

  You won't hurt me. Where are we going?

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Up the mountain. Out of the cloud bank. You need to know what I look like in the sunlight.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  In, I should say in brackets, it says that they fly sort of.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Worth, worth, best line, best line in his ever.

• 21:17Speaker 02

  This is why we don't show ourselves in the sunlight. People would know that we're different.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  This is what I am.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  It's like diamonds. You're beautiful.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  Beautiful.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  This is the skin of a killer, Bella.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  I'm a killer.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  I don't believe that.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  Because you believe a lie.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Camouflage.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  I'm the world's most dangerous predator. Everything about me invites you in. My voice. My face.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  Even my smell.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  As if I would need any of that.

• 22:05Speaker 01

  As if you could outrun me. As if you could fight me off.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  I'm designed to kill.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Right, well, I think I've proved my point.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  And that guff is

• 22:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Fucking, what, billions in the box office eventually?

• 22:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I enjoyed that, but I mean that.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  I mean, that is ridiculous. If you, if I got that script, I'd go, oh, fuck off.

• 22:32Speaker 02

  I don't, do you know, honestly, the reason I find those scripts difficult is because I find it really silly having to pretend to be a vampire.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, yeah.

• 22:41Speaker 02

  I mean, I, I just, I shouldn't be an actor because genuinely they go like, oh, you're a giant. And I'm like, I'm not a giant.

• 22:51Speaker 02

  Just write about just people, normal people. Why is there so much stuff about cartoons? Why are there so many? I've seen all those films. They're all like men made out of rock and like little raccoons and like, why are people watching that? Why are you watching that?

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, Marvel films.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  Why, what, what are you doing? How are you supposed to audition for that? Like, there isn't such a thing as a, like a woman made out of ice.

• 23:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  How do you know whether you're doing a good job or not?

• 23:15Speaker 01

  Exactly. You're absolutely correct.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  There's no character. You're like, well, there isn't a character. Oh, that wasn't convincing. What wasn't convincing? What, ice, the brain made out of ice? What you're, what are you judging it on? What, literally what are you judging it on?

• 23:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I'm fine. I just, I don't, I don't, I just genuinely, and also what annoys me is I can tell they're doing a good job. I know they're better than me. I don't know what, I don't know what they've done. What have they done? How did they get into character?

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Well, that's fine. I'm just talking, and I'm sure they're all fine actors in the Twilight films.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  I'm not having a go at anyone.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  I do like Patterson as Batman. I like that Batman film that he brought out and I'm looking forward to the next one. That's for darn sure.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  I haven't even.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good one. Talking of things that you find difficult to believe.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  A man dressed as a bat saves the day.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  Ah, come on.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  But if I got that script, I didn't know anything. Twilight wasn't this phenomenon that we now all appreciate. You know, I've never seen the films, never read the book, but I, I know, I know Twilight.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  I feel like both vampires and zombies are one of these things where people, where people are like, they sort of behave as though they are really real. And you're like, there are quite, quite a lot of people are prepping for like a zombie apocalypse and like.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  I'm not, if I see something as about zombies or about vampires, I'd, I'd just go, oh, no, not for me.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  I'm not into the zombie thing. Apparently The Walking Dead's, I mean, it'll be one of the greatest TV shows it's ever made. And I do, um, but I just, just the fact that it's about zombies, unless it's Shaun of the Dead, I've never really enjoyed a zombie genre.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  I suppose it's also, I don't really see, I don't understand why it's a genre. Like, Day of the Trifids is about plants, right? Like, but that's one idea, right? Nice idea. Doesn't sustain a genre. I mean, it's like, do you know what I mean? It's like saying, uh, basically, the, the, the villain is one, like, there's a Stephen King thing where the villain's a car, isn't there? It's called the car. But again, it's like, oh, well, let's make, let's make twenty five films where the, where the villain is a car and it'll be the car villain genre. No, one.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  The only reference.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  It's one idea. It's one idea.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  The only reference I have to a lot of Stephen King stories is that they've been parodied, parodied in cartoons.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  I think Futurama did the car one, where Bender turns into a car that kills like a wear car or something.

• 25:50Speaker 03

  I remember that one, yeah.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  I think that was a re- a reference to Stephen King. The Simpsons have done it a lot, I feel like.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:02Speaker 03

  Should we do the?

• 26:03Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm just, go on, just think about more car.

• 26:07Speaker 03

  Okay, oh, sorry.

• 26:08Speaker 02

  Think about cars. Think about cars. He thought of cars. It's a Blur song, isn't it?

• 26:16Speaker 02

  But, uh, and we're at Feastival.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  And we're at Feastival.

• 26:19Speaker 02

  And we're at Feastival. We've done it. Right, that's an intro.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  That was a big long Feastival ad.

• 26:24Speaker 03

  That was all a payback.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  In the, in the end, everything's an advert for Feastival.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, we all work for Feastival.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  In the end, you just send up like.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Feastival is this big shady corporation that has infiltrated every part of our lives. We all work for Feastival.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Got the tattoo?

• 26:40Speaker 01

  We're all working for Feastival.

• 26:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Oh, speaking of tattoos.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Oh, right. Okay. So I've.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  Don't you ever go, don't.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  You were telling me when you came in today.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  I um, I have promised um, to mention the fact that I did a gig, not really a gig, a sort of uh, an in-conversation event recently.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:02Speaker 02

  Um, and a lad came along and he has got, uh, he got me to sign my name on his arm afterwards. And he has got it made.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  Permanent.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Permanent into a, into a tattoo, which is um, you know, pretty.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  That's commitment.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Pretty, pretty, yeah, pretty incredible. So I'm like um, the li- li- the Libertines now. Yeah, I've got, so first of, first of many, I imagine. So he's called um, he's called Reece.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Reece.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  And uh, you can, we've got actually, in a sense, well, it's not quite an action shot, but it's me.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  Let me say this.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  I think it's me saying, it's, I think, it looks like it's me saying, do you actually want me to sign your arm? And him saying, or I, I, well, I suppose, do you, do you actually want to, to get a tattoo of it? And he's saying, yes. He's got quite a lot of other tattoos. So.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's fine.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  So it's not like, it's not like he's solid and unblemished.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  What was he drinking? He was drinking Thatcher's Gold at the time as well.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  So that's one. And then we've got.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Did he send you a picture of the tattoo?

• 28:20Speaker 02

  I've got a picture of the tattoo. So yes, so yeah, there's the picture of the tattoo. You can actually see that that's my.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, that's backwards though.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Well, no, I think it's just, it must be in a mirror.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, yeah, he's mirrored it.

• 28:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Idiot. Do you wanna say, I mean, what are we supposed to do with that?

• 28:43Speaker 02

  Um, well, we can mirror it back, can't we?

• 28:46Speaker 01

  We can, yeah.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  So we'll put these, we'll put these pictures up.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  That's why you're the brains and I'm the looks.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Of this operation.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  So. So there you go. Thank you. Thank you for doing that, Reece. Um, it's good to know that if I ever forget what my signature looks like, I can just, um, call up Reece and you can come to whatever shop I'm in and I'll say, oh, there it is. Stand still and then I'll copy it down.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  You should collect them.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  Other people's signatures. Yeah.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Just get all the boys, get all the in-betweens.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  I don't know how you, I don't know how.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  Well, maybe, yeah, I am.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  I was thinking then, maybe we could arrange something like that, but I can't be bothered.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  It's a lot of work.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  It's a bit of work.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Reece, we would arrange it, but we just can't.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  It's not even a lot of work. We could just, we talk to each other all the time. We could just go, oh, do you wanna meet up here next week? And then we could let Reece know, we're all gonna be in the same place.

• 29:52Speaker 02

  We just don't, we don't wanna have to do anything really.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  That's the truth. So, and that's, and that's, unfortunately, that is, that's an insurmountable barrier. There's nothing, nothing can be done.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Nothing can be done.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  There's nothing we can do. You can't.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Nothing can be done. What are you, um,

• 30:09Speaker 01

  what do you think of the shoes, Joe?

• 30:11Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  I feel like our, um, our shoe stuff does very well on, on the socials.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  Well, I, I would say that.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  And I've gone, I've gone purposely for a tassled loafer today.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Cause I just thought, that'll wind people up.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  I think they're.

• 30:27Speaker 01

  That'll wind people up on the internet.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  I don't have a problem with them. I think they actually look almost like a sort of smart slipper.

• 30:37Speaker 01

  Well, it's a loafer, isn't it? Yeah.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  It's a loafer, yeah. In a way, it's for loafing around in.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  The only problem with the loafer is-

• 30:42Speaker 02

  It's for mooching around in.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Is that they are slip-on, right, aren't they?

• 30:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  And honestly, walking from the station to the studio today took me forever.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  Well, because they kept coming off.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  I just had to walk a lot slower than what I normally walk.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  That is a floor and a shoe, isn't it?

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the one thing you need from a shoe is for it to stay on your foot.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  They need to come along with you, don't they?

• 31:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  But there we go, a little tassled loafer. Enjoy that.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  I am-

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Can't wait for the comments.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  I feel that oddly, our feet are just slightly foregrounded, aren't they? They're kind of in the middle. It's more like, in this central area, this is where the feet are.

• 31:25Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  And this is almost like the main area, in a way. It's almost, I sometimes feel like they're talking and we're just watching.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  What? What was that? What was any of that?

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Don't worry, no, I was just, I was trying to talk about sometimes when-

• 31:39Speaker 01

  No, leave it there. Just leave it.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  It's right in my field of vision, my shoe.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I've just become very aware of our shoes.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  I have as well. I don't know, it's, I never used to worry about them.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  No, it was not, it was not something that I spent as much time as I do nowadays thinking about before I come in.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  Worried, I just, I'm gonna, you know, I'm, um-

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Anyway.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Welcome to Jo-

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Hello. Right, so, okay, oh my, come to Feast-

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Shall we start this podcast?

• 32:09Speaker 02

  Do come to Feastival.

• 32:11Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, come to Feastival.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  Come to Feastival. The shoes will be in attendance.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  Hey, we might, um, should we just bring loads of shoes?

• 32:17Speaker 02

  Oh, that's a good idea, yeah. Come for the podcast, stay for the shoes.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  We'll change, we'll change shoes, um, live in front of you all. Um, welcome to Joe and James Fact Up. This is the podcast where each week we'll be bringing, we'll be bringing facts to one another that we deem interesting. And our policy is the more interesting, the more true it is. We'll also dig into the weird things that you'd like to think are true but don't want to research in a segment that we call Fact Check. So if you do want to send in your facts, our email is [email protected]. Our WhatsApp is 07822 034 330. And you can also follow us on socials at Joe and James Pod. And you can watch all our episodes in full on YouTube. Just search for Joe and James Fact Up now. Let's get fact up.

• 33:09Speaker 00

  I'm Claire Buckley and this Halloween on my podcast, Pretty Scary, we are going to cover the stories that keep you up at night. Real crimes, ghosts and aliens. Plus the scariest movies to watch this spooky season with the lights off. So as the nights draw in, the pumpkins are carved and somewhere in the dark, something is scratching at the window. It's probably just the cat, right? Get the candles lit in search for Pretty Scary with Claire Buckley.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  I'm so excited at the moment, Joe.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  This morning, I treated myself to a McDonald's breakfast.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Oh, you dog.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  I got myself a McGriddle, a sausage and egg McGriddle.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  Right, God, what started now?

• 34:09Speaker 01

  I used to, when I, I've worked in America quite a bit and days when I, like before I used to go into work, I used to stop in a McDonald's drive through. Mok Donalds.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  Mok Donalds, yeah.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  That's a good name for it. If you wanted to rip off.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  A tribute, yeah.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  If you wanted to rip off McDonald's, you could call your restaurant Mok Donalds.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  It's the, it's the post invasion of Ukraine, McDonald's in Russia, yeah.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  They do, they do this thing called the McGriddle in America. It's essentially your muffin, but instead of the muffin part.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Um, English muffin.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  It's two pancakes.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  With little parcels, little bombs of syrup in the pancake already. Then you've got a bit of sausage, an egg and a bit of cheese. They're absolutely amazing. I used to love them when I was, when I was in America. And I've been saying for years, when were they going to bring them out? When they're going to bring them out? They brought them out today. And I ordered one as soon as I woke up.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  This is all power you've got. Like you, five years ago, you said, bring him to England and only five years later. It happens.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  This is it.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, you cut your fingers.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  And just five years later.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  I'd like to think Claire had something to do with it. Cause that was the discussion I had with her in the kitchen. They should bring these to America.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  She's gone, yes, boss.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  I'll get on that straight away.

• 35:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. She's like, do you get that? Or do you want me to? You heard that, right? And then they did it. Yeah.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  I might start doing that.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  I mean, I, I, I actually.

• 35:46Speaker 01

  People out. I might start pretending I'm like.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  That was our little thing on, on the inventory, wasn't it? Where like.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, we did.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  The runners, the runners would come over and they'd be like, you know, I'm just getting, we'd be like, sorry. Are you wearing a wire, man?

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Are you wearing a wire?

• 35:59Speaker 02

  You're wearing a wire? What the fuck, man? You're wearing a wire? You're fucking listening to me?

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Who was it? One time it was like, um, oh, can we get makeup checks on Joe? And I think it was Bird. It was like, you're wearing makeup?

• 36:15Speaker 01

  They put loads of makeup on us.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  Well, as the, the, yeah, the, uh, the further we went along.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. They were literally painting our cheeks.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Shaving three times a day, painting our cheeks with like, skin colour paint. To make it look like that we're baby faced.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  Fill in the wrinkles.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  Oh dear. Anyway, Joe, it is time for Fact Up. Um. Do you want to take the reins?

• 36:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. So this week, James, we've had.

• 36:48Speaker 01

  Two days in a row, I've done that.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  We've had a theme request.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  Right. We've had a theme request. From who?

• 36:59Speaker 03

  From a guy called Chris and.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Is that how we operate now? We just let people decide what we're doing now?

• 37:04Speaker 03

  We just, we discussed this a little while ago about things that we wanted people to suggest.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  We did actually ask for this. And now someone's done it and we're, and now we're sort of.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  I'll, I'll let them off then.

• 37:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  So Chris has requested one. I thought it was a nice theme and a nice reason.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  So, so we asked for something, somebody's done it in a nice way.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  And you think that just for those two reasons, they now has to fucking happen?

• 37:25Speaker 01

  I just don't, I just don't like being told what to do.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, even if I asked, even if I asked and they're nice about it. I'm like, if I go to, you know, a coffee shop, I say, can I have a coffee?

• 37:36Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  And they put it on the counter. I say, what the fuck is this? You're pushing it.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  I worked, I worked in retail.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  And I did, I did find it difficult being told what to do.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  From strangers.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  They'd be like, oh, um, can you find this for me in a, in a different size? And I, I would be like, yeah, all right.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  I don't know what it is about, mate.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Like, it's some, it's a problem.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  But if you tell me to do something, I probably won't do it. I'll probably be unhappy that you've told me to do something. I don't know. That's, that's a big problem. I need to sort that out.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  But that was the one thing I hated working at Mattel Land. It was like, oh, can you fetch me another one of these? I go, what?

• 38:29Speaker 02

  When I worked in retail, I worked, I worked at B H S and many of my colleagues were other teenagers who worked there maybe four to eight hours a week. I did four hours a week, right? I did a four hours.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Twelve, I did 12 hours a week.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  But the result was like, if you ask a teenage employee in a closed shop for anything, they don't know. They're never there.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:52Speaker 02

  They, somebody said to me, like, do you know where this is? I'd be like, honours, you'd be better off asking a person who shops here.

• 38:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  Frequently.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:00Speaker 02

  Like, they, they don't, they're not there. Like, teenage employees, they're not, they're, the whole week they're, they're at school. And they're there four hours on a Saturday. You might as well ask anyone.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  I did Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Um, five till

• 39:15Speaker 01

  nine. Um.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  Five, nine till five?

• 39:19Speaker 01

  No, five in the evening.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  Oh, right. Okay.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  It was just part time. So it was four hours in the evening. I did.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  Was it Monday?

• 39:26Speaker 01

  Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

• 39:28Speaker 02

  Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Three days a week.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  I did 12 hours a week.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 39:32Speaker 01

  And it was, and I was on three pound sixty nine an hour.

• 39:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  And they used to, they used to say stuff like, um. Oh, after the store shuts, um, would you be okay to stay another hour? Don't worry, we'll pay you. And I'd go.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  Brackets, three pounds sixty nine.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd go, no, I'd go, no, I'll go, I wanna go.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  I walk home and I might literally find three pounds sixty nine. I mean, that is bad, that.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  Three sixty nine.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause I was sixteen. I, I had applied for the job and had the job interview when I was fifteen.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  And, um, and it was like, it was a few weeks before I turned sixteen. My, you know, when you do your GCSEs, you do them quite early in the year and you break from school earlier than what you usually would.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  I was, I, I was sixteen in the summer.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, yeah.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  So I did my, I, I finished school when I was fifteen.

• 40:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  And then I had a couple of months, my dad going, you're gonna get a job yet or what? I go, well, what?

• 40:36Speaker 02

  I'm not really allowed to get a job yet.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  I know.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  So I already had a job lined up before I was sixteen, working at Matland in Romford. Uh.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  It's very.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  I turned up to the job interview, never been to a job interview in my life. Just, I hadn't even had my GCSE results. I mean, I never got them. We need to, we need to find out what they are.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wonder what they were.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  We need to find out what they are. I've been told different stuff from different teachers that I've seen over the years. I've been told I got a B in maths, which cannot be true. Um, but what was the story?

• 41:10Speaker 02

  You had a job lined up?

• 41:11Speaker 01

  Um, no, but I turned up to the job.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, you turned up.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Turned up to the job interview. Right, if you're turning up to a job interview.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  How do you present yourself?

• 41:19Speaker 02

  Smartly, I guess, clothed, I don't know.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  So I wore the suit that I wore to my prom.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  And I was in this sort of waiting.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  Oh, that is smart.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  I was in this waiting room and there was other like kids my age and that, but they were, they, they weren't dressed like mental. They weren't like in their pyjamas or whatever, but they were, they were just sort of like jeans and trainers and, and a polo shirt or something like that. I was like tired. But it was a prom suit as well. It was a black shirt.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  It was a black shirt and a black suit with a red tie.

• 41:56Speaker 03

  A red tie?

• 41:57Speaker 02

  A red tie. Oh, wow. That's, that's, that's.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was mental.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  You would have looked like a member of McFly.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Like Kraftwerk or something.

• 42:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, Kraftwerk, yeah.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  And I saw.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  You were like, I'm here for the interview.

• 42:13Speaker 01

  I saw the guy, the manager, Andy, his name was. I saw him write down as he was talking to me, very smart.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  I've never been to a job interview in my life. Like, I got myself there and stuff and like.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  You know what? I think you.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  I didn't have any outside help or influence from anyone.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  You don't have clothes, you don't have work clothes when you're that age. You don't like, you're lucky if you have smart clothes that aren't your school uniform.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  I'm not sure I would have had anything at that age, other than my school uniform. I mean, when I, yeah, when I, when I, when I went to BHS, I used to wear my school trousers and probably a school shirt. And I would have borrowed a tie off my dad. That's what, you don't have, you know, young people don't have a kind of, what, sort of apprentice style wardrobe, I would have thought.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  I was on about, I was on like twelve pound a day or something like that.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, um, it's amazing what, you know, it's amazing how much work young people would do for fuck all money.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  I had a paper, I mean, again, I have to say, this was not, this was actually fine, because it was only like a half an hour in the morning. And I got twelve pounds a week for that.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  And the paper round was the only job you could get where you weren't sixteen. That's the thing. You couldn't, you weren't really allowed to be, well, I don't know whether people are familiar with, like, the law, but you're not allowed to employ children.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  No, you're not, yeah.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  And so if you, if you are.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  My dad didn't understand that. He was just like, well, you left school, so that's not to work. I was going, oh.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  Bloody, bloody Gladstone. Can't even, can't even employ children anymore.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  I'd like wake up at like eleven o'clock in the morning and stuff like that.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Like, I, I, for a good couple of months of my life, straight after school, I was like doing that. And he was like.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  What's all this? My dad was a postman. So he'd come home, he'd be done by like two o'clock. He'd come home, he'd be like, you still, you're still in your pajamas. I've just done a day's work.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't know what point you're trying to make.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  You're not, you don't get credit for working late, do you? You get, you get, you get, you get an enormous amount. There is definitely a thing where we think it's morally good to wake up early.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  And it's morally bad to wake up late. Why? Why? I'm just asking that question. If you get the same work done, really, who cares?

• 44:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:40Speaker 02

  It's not any more ethical to wake up early than it is to wake up late. I would have thought that's obvious. It's apparently not obvious to people. It is in fact a deeply ingrained belief, almost maybe the strongest belief in our country. The thing, entire thing holding our country together is that it's morally good to get up early.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't like, um, I don't, I don't like, I feel like I've, uh, if I have a, if I get out of bed late, I feel, I mean, I, I,

• 45:04Speaker 02

  I know.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  I thought I'd injured my bollocks one day when I thought I'd woken up.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  But I feel, you know, you, you already feel guilty.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:11Speaker 02

  What you need is people to come and say, it's all right.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  It's fine.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  Not be like.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  Don't worry about it.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  You fucking dirty dog.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  What are we to, what are we, what's the theme of this week's episode?

• 45:20Speaker 02

  We're supposed to be reading, we're supposed to be reading out a request.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  Okay, here we go. Good afternoon, all.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  Who's this from? Sorry, Chris.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Turns out to be from Chris Cowley, but we haven't got there yet.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  C C. He's.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  C C?

• 45:31Speaker 01

  He's C C'd us in this message.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  Here we go. Good afternoon, all. I listened to your pod whilst running as I'm training for the Manchester Marathon on the 19th of April.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Why?

• 45:41Speaker 02

  Well, I was gonna say good man. You said why?

• 45:42Speaker 01

  Why? Marathons.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  We are not getting through this request, I'll say that much.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Climbing a mountain. I get cameos come through and it's like, um, oh, can you wish Dave the best of luck? He's climbing a mountain next weekend.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  And we just, you know, just say good luck or whatever.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  And I always go, why are you doing it?

• 46:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Cause I tell you what, if you're doing it to impress people, this is what's gonna happen. You'll go, ah, ah, just climb that mountain. All right. Yeah, that's good.

• 46:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  It's gonna be so much work, potentially dangerous, potentially life threatening. And people are gonna go, oh, that's, that's cool.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay. Well, in any case, well done, Chris, for running the marathon.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  Knickers aren't gonna drop for you. None of that.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  It's not what you think in your head is gonna happen because you did a marathon or you climbed a mountain.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  It's true that to a large extent, you'll simply slot back into society and things will continue.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  Everyone will go, oh, that's good. Anyway.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  But nonetheless, well done for running the marathon. It's a, it's a shift.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Go on.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  It's a shift. I'm training for the Manchester Marathon on the 19th of April. I've been planning my soundtrack for the run. I can't listen to music. I need podcasts to keep me going. And yours will be first on the list.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  All right. I'll tell you back what I said, Chris. You're a legend.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, we should have.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  You're a legend and I'm so impressed that you're doing a marathon.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  And I think you're gonna get so much fanny.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're gonna, there's gonna be genuinely a baby boom.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  If you could throw a mention in to keep me alive, it'd be much appreciated. Maybe even some marathon based facts. And a mention for the charity I'm running for would be lovely too. Hospice at Home Carlisle and North Lakeland. So that's.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  I've got no jokes about that.

• 47:35Speaker 02

  Yep, that's a great cause.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  I won't make fun of hospices.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  No.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  That's where I draw the line.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  No.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Anyway, Chris, best of luck, mate.

• 47:44Speaker 02

  Loving the podcast. You guys are the voice of my youth.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  Thank you very much, Chris.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  Chris Cowley.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Um, I was only joking about running marathons and stuff. Um, you like, I'm just one of those guys that are too bone idle to do that sort of thing. You famously did one.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  I did one. It was rubbish, but it was because it was during Covid. The app broke.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  We've been through this.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  We've been through this. We don't need to go through it again. But this, the Manchester Marathon I R L, well, mine was I R L, but not as much of it as I'd want.

• 48:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  And, um, that'll be great, great city, you know.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  But we're gonna do facts about, um. Marathons.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Marathons.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  Alright, okay, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna lead.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  And here we go, um, there.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  So it's your fact?

• 48:32Speaker 02

  This is my fact.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  You're hitting me with your fact?

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it says here, Joe presents facts.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  Joe, we've only been recording for about an hour and a half and you're hitting me with your fact already.

• 48:40Speaker 02

  This is really incredible. So, um, I have read a book called Born to Run about running. It's a few years old now.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Is it Bruce Springsteen?

• 48:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Also a lot of it.

• 48:57Speaker 02

  It's not Springsteen, but I think, you know, certainly would be aware of Springsteen.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  I'm sure, yeah.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  And one of the, um, people who the, uh, author of this book, uh, meets, uh, they're called the Tarahumara people and they are from, I think, near Chihuahua in Mexico. And they are amazing runners. They, they, they, they run for fun.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, don't they run over mountains and stuff like that?

• 49:37Speaker 02

  They run, yeah, it's called the, um, Copper Canyon.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  Isn't that the thing that Carl Pilkington did?

• 49:42Speaker 02

  It may well be, yeah.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Like Moaning Alive or Idiot Abroad or something? And they win a goat or something like that.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  Well, the detail I like is that they, they kick, not in all, I think maybe not in all variants, but they kick a wooden ball in front of them.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  There's a ball, yeah.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  Um, it's a little wooden ball. I think it's made out of maple. That might not be, I think that's right. These races, uh, are 50 to 100 miles. They race night and day.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  And the, the, and, and the, the sport or the activity with the ball is known as Ra Raji Parry. I'm almost certainly pronouncing that wrong, uh, and might be pronouncing the Tarahumara wrong as well. Um, and, but anyway, it's, but in any case, uh, the, they, these people are.

• 50:38Speaker 02

  Like in just incredibly good at running and and do it seemingly just for the well for for different reasons, but for for the joy of it, I suppose, and for because it's it's a social activity, it may also be a way to meditate or kind of to to think, to kind of make decisions. Um, and and and in this book that I read, the the thing that the writer pointed out was that they don't really wear much on their feet at all. They either run barefoot or they have tire, they make their own sandals out of tires.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:20Speaker 02

  And there's a lot of, I mean.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  That's what Carl Pilkenson wears.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  That's it, yeah. And and and in the book, the guy who's writing the book, who's um uh, an American man, he likes running, but he keeps getting really bad like knees and stuff and like he's injuring himself. And he begins to think that the key might be

• 51:42Speaker 02

  to not wear, like counterintuitively, to not wear too much on your feet. So rather than support your particularly your heel, if you have lots of padding on your heel,

• 51:53Speaker 02

  it basically the shock isn't absorbed by your foot, but it's passed up your leg and it's going to turn it a bit, a little bit like the theory about how boxing gloves are almost. If you're gonna box, you should just box bare knuckle because actually you wanna feel it in your hands. Not like like if you protect, if it's like, well, don't worry, we've got gloves on, so it doesn't hurt our hands. What you're really saying is so that allows you to punch the other person's head incredibly hard.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:19Speaker 02

  So that's getting.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Same with um, that that's that uh.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  That sort of idea.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, that idea is the same with like American football.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  NFL.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  And rugby.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:31Speaker 01

  So.

• 52:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  So even though rugby, when you watch rugby.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:36Speaker 01

  It looks, it genuinely looks way scarier.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Um.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  But the NFL, they do tackle and they do, and it is very physical and stuff like that. But because they're all so padded up and they're wearing helmets.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  And there isn't, there's hardly an inch of their body that doesn't have some sort of protection on it.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:55Speaker 01

  They go in even harder.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  And I think they're a way more sort of, um.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Injuries relating to kind of.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  Brain injuries and stuff like that than they are in rugby.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Like especially when you think about when they scrum and they're not wearing helmets and they've got, they've got nothing on at all. So everything, they come in together and they scrum.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  But there's something counterintuitive where because.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  I've got a helmet on or something like that, I'll go even harder.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  It's, it's as though perhaps you, you, you disengage the part of your brain that's actually thinking about what sort of shock it's going to be. Whether you really want to absorb that type of shock and instead you're like, it's all right. I've got loads of padding so I can just hit, hit, hit, hit. And, um, and, uh, it, there is, yeah. So, so I think, I think I've, I remember in the, in the, in the book, he. Sort of starts to use far different types of footwear. Um, boat shoes are quite popular, almost like, you know, like swimming shoes, like you've got something basically just, it's got no padding at all. It's just there. So that your foot doesn't get cut, you know.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  They're called Toms.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, well, there's, there's, there's.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  Those espadrilles.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  I know. I've got a pair where your toe, there's little things for each toe. It's like a glove.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  It's a toe.

• 54:11Speaker 02

  It's quite funny as well. So, um, and, um.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Do you remember Toms? They were a thing for a little while. Is that what they were called?

• 54:20Speaker 03

  Yeah. They, they're massive. I remember Louis Tomlinson from One Direction made them like really big for me.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  Is that why they're called Toms?

• 54:29Speaker 03

  No, it's not why, but it's a fantastic coincidence. He had these red Toms. It was very, very iconic.

• 54:33Speaker 02

  Are they, are they, are they socks with toe, individual toe compartments?

• 54:37Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure you wore a pair.

• 54:39Speaker 03

  They're kind of like canvas, almost.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  For the, for the Inbetweeners film.

• 54:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yes. I know. Yeah. Yes. A little like that. Yeah. The idea is essentially you don't actually need to protect, you don't need to protect your foot with padding. If you want, just put something on it so it doesn't get cut if you run on a sharp stone or something. And the other point I remember from this book is that. We pay far too much attention to the heel. The heel is not the thing that you should be landing on. You should be landing on the middle of the foot or even.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  The middle of the foot?

• 55:06Speaker 02

  Well, you should be like running almost at the front of the foot, like that.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  The balls.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  So the balls, the ball of the feet, yeah. The balls.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  And um this and one of the, one of the details I remember about this book is that prosthetic.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  Balls.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  Feet, balls. I famously do not use prosthetic balls.

• 55:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  We've, we've been through this, but prosthetic uh feet didn't even used to have a heel. Because it was seen as so irrelevant. It was like, well, you don't, the heel isn't the thing that you should be putting the weight on anyway. So essentially, we pay too much attention to the heel. You shouldn't be landing on the heel. You should be landing on the front of your foot.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  I don't want to derail you, Joe, but an ambulance has just turned up at my house and I don't know if that's something I should. Check out.

• 55:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Carry on, you, carry on, you.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  Well, I think, I think, I think, I think I've more or less finished, actually. So.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  I'm sure it's fine.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. All right. It might, it's, it's probably, it must be a neighbour or something then.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  That's weird, though.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  It was just distracted. To be fair, that's, that's a fair enough distraction, isn't it?

• 56:22Speaker 02

  It is, it is a fair enough distraction, yes.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  I'm sure it's fine. And also, I can't, I can't do anything, can I?

• 56:29Speaker 02

  I'd honestly just turn.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  Claire's there.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  Turn your phone off. Turn your phone off.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  I can't do anything now.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  There's nothing you can do. I honestly.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  I can't do anything from here.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  I just, you know, maybe you just need to kind of hit the road and not look back, if you know what I mean.

• 56:43Speaker 01

  That's it. Never go back.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  Never go back. Um, I uh, have you got the, you know, the idea of the go bag? So you're always ready to go.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  I don't have a go bag, but what I do have is a car full of rubbish, so that at any point I can go to the tip.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  It's gone up the road. Did she, did, did you talk to Claire? Yeah. Um, I don't have a go bag, but I bought something recently. It was a bit pricey. It was around like five hundred quid.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  What was it?

• 57:13Speaker 01

  And it's a, it's.

• 57:17Speaker 01

  It's probably about the size of the, this TV.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  It's a battery.

• 57:23Speaker 01

  And I just said to Claire.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  If there's a power cut.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  I just said, I've bought a battery just in case, I don't know.

• 57:29Speaker 03

  You've built in a, built in a shelter.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  Sounds a little bit zombie apocalypse.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  Even though I hate zombies, even though they bother me.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. And.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  But I was just like.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  Why have you bought that, um, all that garlic in a Bible as well? It's that, what's that for?

• 57:48Speaker 01

  But it is, it's just in case, in case something happens.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  Just in case.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  I can charge the phone, we can turn the radio on, we're still in contact, we still can get information.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  Whoever else has got battery.

• 58:05Speaker 01

  Well, I assume.

• 58:05Speaker 02

  You know, the battery community.

• 58:07Speaker 01

  I assume the situation that I've created in my head, why I've made this battery, that communications will be down. But we can plug in a lamp and we can, we can plug in a radio and, and, and, you know, sit there and find out what's going on.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  See if you find out what's happening. Yeah.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  I wanted something as well that would last a few.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  You can listen, listen to the list of casualties being read out.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  That would last a few days.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I bought this great big thing.

• 58:37Speaker 02

  It's actually probably a little similar to what they would call the Jenny when we were on set.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  The Jenny, of course, yeah. That was loud though, wasn't it? That was petrol powered, wasn't it?

• 58:47Speaker 02

  I think it was petrol powered.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  So. Yeah.

• 58:51Speaker 01

  But this thing that I've bought, I can also buy solar panels for it as well.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  Okay. So they're in a way.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  I'm not sure what I'm prepping for.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  No, but the question that this, the question that this raises, if you can.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  But I said it to Claire, I was like, I'm not being funny, like, it's 500 quid's a big bill to spend on anything really.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  That's not a house, right?

• 59:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:14Speaker 01

  And I was like, I've spent 500 quid on.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  It's quite, it's quite a lot of money to spend on something where you need to do such a long description of even what it is.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  I just feel like it might, there's a chance that it might come in handy and I'd rather, I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  And Claire was like, yeah, no, I'm into that.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  That's like me and my gun.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  Well, yeah. She was like, um.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I'm totally on board. I was like, oh, good.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  Oh, thank God.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  No, I mean, the thing with the solar panels and the battery, it almost begs the question, why are we not all just doing that anyway?

• 59:49Speaker 01

  Don't you worry. Um, that's the next, there's, there's stages to my thinking.

• 59:54Speaker 02

  Let's, um.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  I need to find a well. I need to find a natural well.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  On my property, which is going to be difficult. I'll be honest with you.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  Well, have a, have a, have a really, have a really good route around.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  There's not a lot, there's not a lot of space to look for. Uh, I, I need to set up a solar farm. That's going to also be a problem.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm very restricted space wise.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  You're probably gonna have to, you won't be able to put your data in the cloud anymore. You're gonna have to kind of bring it down and have it.

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  I'll have everything backed up on, uh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, um, seed bank?

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yep. Need a seed bank. Yeah. Need to keep wheat and.

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  Wheat and all the others.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Hops is going to be a very important one for me.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Kind of like, why is there nothing in the seed bank except hops, barley? And bottles?

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Hops, barley and some jugs.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  And then we'll be.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  And some dry roasted peanuts.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Some pork scratchings and I'll, and I'll sit through whatever Putin's got to produce.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. This isn't a seed bank. It's just a, it's just a pub.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Hey Joe, it is time for fact check. Um, this is the part of the podcast where we read a fact or question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. And then we're gonna have a good old think during the break and we'll come back and let you know how true it feels to us to decide if it passes our fact check.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  Okay. So this week's fact check comes from Nick, who sent in a voice note.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 1:01:29Speaker 04

  Hello, it's Nick here. Uh, when I was growing up and we were driving through the countryside, my dad would always tell me that if you saw cows lying down, uh, that means it's about to rain. And I've always accepted that as gospel truth. Uh, I was wondering if you could look into it for us. Uh, love the podcast. Uh, look forward to listening to more of it.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  Right. Lovely, lovely little voice note.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Stuff from Nick.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  Um, Yorkshire.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Definitely Yorkshire.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  Definitely Yorkshire, you're saying. Okay. Right.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  Sounds like Uncle Jeff.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  Good question. We're gonna get on the case and we'll be back with a fax stat. I don't, I literally don't know what that phrase means. What stat?

• 1:02:15Speaker 03

  You say quickly, like, I'm gonna get back to you stat.

• 1:02:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, but yeah, I hear like in dramas, in hospitals that they say, I need this stat.

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  But where, what's the, where's the origin of stat? They could say quick. I need this quick.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  Let's have a little break. Oh, Christ. Right, let's have a quick break. I'm gonna go for a piss and we'll be back. We'll talk about cows lying down in a second.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Oh, God, I'm dying.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  Off you go.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  I'm bursting.

• 1:02:52Speaker 05

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• 1:03:30Speaker 00

  I'm Claire Buckley and this Halloween on my podcast, Pretty Scary, we are gonna cover the stories that keep you up at night. Real crimes, ghosts, and aliens. Plus, the scariest movies to watch this spooky season with the lights off. So, as the nights draw in, the pumpkins are carved, and somewhere in the dark, something is scratching at the window. It's probably just the cat, right? Get the candles lit in search for Pretty Scary with Claire Buckley.

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  I just read a really good fact.

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  While I was having a sit down week.

• 1:04:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  We are closer in time.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  We are closer to the Tyrannosaurus Rex than the Tyrannosaurus Rex is to the Stegosaurus.

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  Wow, that is extraordinary, actually. That is extraordinary.

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, we think of dinosaurs all sort of living together in a big house.

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  You know, but actually.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  Well, we think of Jurassic Park.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  We think exactly, yeah, exactly.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  They're all together.

• 1:04:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  They're all in little paddocks.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  You can't let them out.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, you mustn't let them out.

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  For the love of God, don't let the electric wire, the electric fence go down.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  Don't let the electric fences. So is it fair to say that we're now investigating two matters? First of all, this cows business and second of all, for the first time, why?

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:05:11Speaker 02

  We say stat.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  I don't know where to start with the stat thing. I might have to think about that.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  Well, should we do the cow, should we do with the cow thing first?

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  Do with the cow thing first. Cow thing's quite cut and dry for me.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Is it true?

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  I was told the same thing. I was told the same thing, but now I'm questioning.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  I feel like I've been told something in that area.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  Oh, the cows are lying down. That means it's gonna rain soon. How would they know? How would a cow know if it's gonna rain?

• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  Well, animals can sense things like atmospheric pressure, I imagine.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  Do you reckon?

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  It's like our dogs know when there's an earthquake, like a minute before everyone else.

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, if it's not, if it's not because it's gonna rain, why are they lying down?

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  But, yeah, because that's, yeah, because they.

• 1:05:58Speaker 02

  And do they all do it, and do they all do it at the same time?

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  They sleep standing up, don't they, cows? They don't like lie down to sleep. They sleep standing up. Do they?

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  I'm out my depth on this one.

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  I'm too much of a city boy.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  To understand the cow situation.

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  But I was told.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  Isn't there an app that can tell me the answer? No, go and get some dirt on your boots.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Exactly. That's my problem. But I was told cows lying down means it's going to rain at some point soon.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  And if they're all doing it together, but so what possible advantage could it, could it bring them? Is it, is it that they think, well, it's going to rain, so let's just, you know, settle in for a bit?

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  Well, I suppose so, yeah. You would, you'd just sort of like.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  Get ready for it.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  I don't know if I'm projecting on the cow.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  They can keep a little bit of grass dry under their bodies.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Maybe they keep, maybe they keep under their bodies dry. They feel, they know when it's going to rain, so they lie down. They keep the grass dry beneath them.

• 1:07:01Speaker 02

  A little bit dry.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  Also, red sky at night, shepherd's delight. Red sky in the morning, shepherd's warning.

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  Is that, is there anything in that?

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  Well, I um have only ever used it when I've seen a red sky at night and I've gone.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  I don't know when the last time I saw a red sky at morning was.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  Red sky in the morning seems, that feels more like zombie apocalypse again.

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  That's hmm.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  Blood, blood, blood moon in morning.

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yes. Bleeding, bleeding, weeping moon in morning, shepherd's warning.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Honestly, Nick has um broken me a little bit here. He's broken me a little bit because I've, I've heard the exact same things him. And I've not really thought about it until now. It sounds stupid.

• 1:07:57Speaker 01

  But when I was a kid, I was like, oh, cows are lying down. I was told that's when they rain.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  When rain's going to come.

• 1:08:03Speaker 02

  As I believe I've mentioned, it's only really quite recently that it's, I think, occurred to me as a hard fact that if you sit close to the television, you don't get square eyes.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:15Speaker 02

  I've really only, I've really only let that go.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  Maybe within the last year.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  I thought, you know what? I'm ready to leave that superstitious practice behind. So, yeah, again, I mean, it's an, he's hit upon an interesting, an embedded cultural belief. As I say, why are they all, why are they all sitting down at the same time? If it's not gonna rain, it must be for some reason, but maybe they're just copying each other.

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  Do you know what? I, I think I'm too emotional. I'm too emotionally invested in this fact. Because I want it to be true.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  I, I, I, I've, I've believed it to be true. I was told, why was I told it? Why are we all told this stuff?

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  If it's not true, then that is out of order. That is like so out of order.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  I agree. I agree.

• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  So what do you think? Fact up, true, or fact off and it's false?

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna go fact up.

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  Fact up.

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  Fact up. Just because we, I think as a society, we need this to be true. Because it's something that

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  we can organise things around.

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  We'll be questioning everything.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:28Speaker 01

  If this isn't true, I don't know what to believe anymore.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  That's a lot of pressure.

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean? So it's, as far as we're concerned, is fact.

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  Next you'll be telling me that when the sun goes down, it doesn't go off and go to bed in a little house and the moon tucks it in.

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  No, that is true.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, I mean, that's true.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  Or thunder is just God moving the furniture.

• 1:09:53Speaker 02

  Exactly. We don't like, we know, we know that's true.

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  We're saying it's true.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  God's got furniture.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  What furniture would he have?

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, futon or something like that.

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  Do you think he's?

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  Do you think he's got a NutriBullet?

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  I think he's got, he's definitely got a NutriBullet.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  He's healthy, he looks healthy himself, yeah. He's probably got a whole home gym.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. No, yeah, he's got, he's got, he's either got a NutriBullet or a, or a Ninja blender.

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  He's not like, he's not like, he- He's really not one of those like, he's not conspiracy theorist, but he will occasionally say, look, honestly, you do need this supplement.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, try.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  Like, he's not, but he's not, he's honestly not like that. Like, he is science, but like, he's just, actually, there are things that modern medicine misses and it's okay.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  And he is worried about his testosterone levels.

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and like, he does, I think he.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  He wants to keep on top of them.

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  He does, he imports some, some sort of, um, some kind of bull hormone or something, but you get, he has, it's not because he's, you can only get it on the dark web. It's, but it's not because it's.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  No, it's because.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  It's because it, like, they can't, it takes so long to get.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  The man.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's because they, it's safe, it's just that it takes 20 years for stuff to go through medical testing, so.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  And he definitely eats raw liver.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, but again, it's not, he's not, but he's, he's not, he's not, he's not that way. Like, he's not like, he's not, he's not like a fad, sort of, he's not faddy. It's just that, like.

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  He's just done his own research.

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  He's all right. He's, yeah, he's looked into it himself.

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  He's looked into it.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  And he's come to his own conclusions. He's not a sheep.

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  He's not just following the herd.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  He's.

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Oh, dear. Right, okay, so, um.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  So we're saying it's fact.

• 1:11:38Speaker 03

  You're saying it's fact.

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  Lily May, have you got any actual, um?

• 1:11:42Speaker 03

  I've done, yeah, I've done a little digging, um, so.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  The Queen is about to speak.

• 1:11:46Speaker 03

  Thank you. So, um, the Met Office have done a little bit of, um, well, they've got a little article on this.

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:11:54Speaker 03

  And they say that, oh.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  I don't trust those.

• 1:11:57Speaker 03

  Well, I've got, I've got two sources, so I will, I'll come to you with both sources.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  The Met Office is the most untrustworthy source.

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  I have planned so much shit around those guys and they have fucked me.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  Well, you might be pleased to hear that if you don't trust them, then they say that 61% of people believe this to be an accurate way to forecast rain.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  And according to the Met Office, this is false. They say it has no scientific backing and that cows lie down for multiple reasons, sometimes including just having a rest and there's no evidence to suggest it's related to the likelihood.

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  Right, and they all just have a rest together at the same, at the exact same time?

• 1:12:39Speaker 03

  Well.

• 1:12:40Speaker 01

  There's a whole field of them as you're driving, driving your car past.

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  And what, why would sixty-one percent of people believe something if it wasn't definitely true? The Met Office. Like, why, why would we vote for something?

• 1:12:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:53Speaker 02

  If it wasn't, if it wasn't a really good idea and definitely gonna help?

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I, oh, sorry, the Met Office. I didn't, I, I thought we were living in a democracy.

• 1:13:01Speaker 02

  Hmm. Yeah.

• 1:13:02Speaker 03

  Well.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  But no, in your ivory tower.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  You're in St Petersburg.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:13:08Speaker 03

  The Royal.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  With your, with your snout in a book.

• 1:13:11Speaker 03

  The Royal Meteor, uh, Meteorological Society.

• 1:13:14Speaker 02

  That's in my impression of the Met Office.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  Go on, what's the next one?

• 1:13:19Speaker 03

  So my second source, the Royal Meteorological Society, they say, uh, cows lying down before rain, what could be their motive? It's been suggested that they don't like sitting in wet grass or eating damp grass, so they are actually planning to keep the patch dry.

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  Tell you what.

• 1:13:35Speaker 03

  Um, or that cows slip over when it rains.

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  Well, hang on a minute, Lily May, because we need to pause to just, who really give me my flowers for coming up with that?

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:46Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:13:46Speaker 02

  So it's, I don't know, you just bolt straight on, but actually.

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  Logic.

• 1:13:49Speaker 03

  Well, I was coming around to say.

• 1:13:50Speaker 02

  Well, no, but yeah, I hope so. So we're gonna applaud at the end of the section.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  JT logic.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  Not each individual.

• 1:13:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, if that's, yeah.

• 1:13:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just prefer we applaud individually.

• 1:13:59Speaker 03

  Now?

• 1:14:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:14:00Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  Do I clap as well?

• 1:14:03Speaker 03

  Well done, Joe.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  To keep the grass dry.

• 1:14:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  This PhD is awarded to Joe Thomas for his research into, it's to keep the grass dry.

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  There we go, yeah.

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  Who was that? Who was the second one?

• 1:14:15Speaker 03

  Uh, so the Royal Meteorological Society.

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  Royal?

• 1:14:18Speaker 03

  The website is Met Matters.

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  Royal?

• 1:14:21Speaker 03

  Royal Meteorological Society.

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:14:23Speaker 02

  Okay, so it's still, so it's another load of meteorological.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they're obviously more trustworthy.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  Well, they're royal.

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  Than the Met Office.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, the Met Office, that's just for non-royals.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:14:33Speaker 02

  So you go, is it gonna rain? And they go, no. And then the king goes, is it really gonna rain? And they say, yeah, it is.

• 1:14:39Speaker 01

  The king lies down.

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  The king lies down. That'd be a system, wouldn't it?

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  Imagine us sitting outside Buckingham Palace.

• 1:14:48Speaker 01

  And looking up at the King's bedroom.

• 1:14:50Speaker 02

  He's in a little glass box.

• 1:14:52Speaker 01

  And going, oh, he's turned his light off, he's lying down.

• 1:14:55Speaker 02

  He's sort of doing a kind of half squat. So what's that mean, cloud?

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  Six more weeks of winter.

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Thank you very much.

• 1:15:05Speaker 02

  So we didn't finish, Lima, you didn't finish the second half because I made you.

• 1:15:08Speaker 03

  No, I mean, I sort of forcefully went through it and then, and then you interrupted me back. So it's fine. So we kind of, we kind of interrupted each other.

• 1:15:15Speaker 02

  Oh, I see. Fine. So we got, okay, fine.

• 1:15:17Speaker 01

  As far as I'm concerned, you, myself and Nick are correct.

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're correct. I mean, also, um, yeah. Good idea to pick a fight with 61% of the population, Matt Office.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:32Speaker 02

  Good, good luck to you.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  With your 39% army.

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  Um, oh Christ, we've got so much more of this episode to do.

• 1:15:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, we can skip the fact if you want, but we've got time for one more fact.

• 1:15:42Speaker 02

  Back up.

• 1:15:45Speaker 02

  Skip all the. Hang on. Okay. No, let's carry on.

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  Let me just quickly say, if there is something that you'd like us to fact check, head to our episode's description for all the ways to get in touch.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  Okay. What's your marathon fact for Chris?

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  Right. I've done a little bit of, um, digging into marathons and trying to find something interesting about marathons. Which I think you've proven is difficult to do.

• 1:16:09Speaker 02

  Well, no, it's difficult, but it's, you know, it's not difficult, but if someone's typing or if there's an ambulance. If there's an ambulance outside your house.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're distracted by everything.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm worried about my family's safety.

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  Um, I'll keep my fact nice and quick.

• 1:16:27Speaker 02

  Oh, so you did it for what?

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  Have you heard of Rosie Ruiz? Ruiz. Rosie Ruiz. She ran the Boston Marathon in 1980. She claimed victory. She finished with an unusually fast time.

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  Okay, hang on a minute.

• 1:16:43Speaker 01

  Witnesses said they never saw her on the course. She looked barely tired at the finish.

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  Um. Basically, I've been, I, I just wanted to find out who the biggest marathon fraud is.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  And, um, uh, uh, Chat GPT, Google and some other stuff all threw up Rosie Ruiz for me. Um, this is widely considered the most infamous marathon cheating scandal ever. Um, race officials, reporters and other runners quickly noticed that she didn't look tired. Um, most marathon winners collapse or struggle. She looks relatively fresh.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  Uh, no one remembered seeing her.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  Elite runners, spectators and even photographers couldn't recall her during the race. Um, she was missing from checkpoints.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  And, um, she had some suspicious behaviour before the race. She reportedly blended into the crowd and didn't interact with other elite runners. Um, within days, investigators, investigators pieced together what likely happened. Uh, witnesses reports, uh, reported seeing Ruiz on the subway during the race.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  She was spotted joining, joining the course about a mile from the finish.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  And there is, uh, there is no photographic or official evidence placed, uh, that placed her on the, on, on most of the route. Um, she had basically cut almost the entire course. Um, she was stripped of her title just eight days later and she was disqualified from, from running the New York City Marathon. Um.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  Where she had used a suspicious qualifying title.

• 1:18:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  It permanently damaged her reputation.

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  Well, there we go.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  I suppose it probably would permanently damage your reputation.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  Um, so yeah, I was trying to find out the, um, the biggest sort of cheater in marathon running. And apparently it's Rosie Ruiz.

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  The Boston Marathon 1980. Not the worst thing to happen at the Boston Marathon.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  No, it's not. No, no.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  Uh, should we wrap it up there?

• 1:18:57Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm all fact out, Joe.

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  I am fact out as well. And I will say, if you think this marathon, this podcast was a bit long.

• 1:19:07Speaker 02

  Hello, marathon. So who, you know, who's, maybe we've done it on purpose to fuck with you.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  Absolutely, yeah. That's what we do.

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're not getting on the subject, are we?

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  That's all we want to do.

• 1:19:16Speaker 02

  You're gonna be with us every bloody step of the way.

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  That's all we want to do. Well, we wanted to give, um.

• 1:19:21Speaker 02

  That's all we want to do.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  Who was it? Chris? Nick? Who was it? Chris or Nick?

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  Chris.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, we wanted to give him a podcast episode that will get him at least halfway through.

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah, he might have actually finished the marathon before the podcast.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  He'll be listening, he'll be listening to this on the way home in the car.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  Um, but what have we learnt today? We've learnt that some people in South America do a special little running thing where they kick a ball. Um, but they wear little to no protection on their feet, which apparently is.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  Actually helps.

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  Better for you.

• 1:19:57Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  We learnt about Ro- Rosie Ruiz, who's, um, the biggest cheater ever. And that's it, isn't it?

• 1:20:06Speaker 03

  And cows.

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  And cows lie down.

• 1:20:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, cows lie down. If cows are down, it's gonna rain. Don't believe the metal fist. Uh, or, or that smokescreen of words and scientific evidence that they tried to.

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  Like.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Well, we, we hope that you've learned something. Um. We'll be back next week, armed with more facts, chats and chafed chaps. Our email is [email protected] or you can send us a WhatsApp on 07822034330. You can follow us on social media at joe and james pod. Head to the podcast description if you've already forgotten those details. Bye, guys.

• 1:20:40Speaker 02

  Goodbye.

• 1:20:40Speaker 01

  Make sure you stick around for next week's episode, because I'm gonna be more drunk.

• 1:20:46Speaker 01

  Bye.

• 1:20:46Speaker 02

  Bye.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  That's it. That's the end of the episode.

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  We've done it. That was. I thought that went quite well, actually.

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