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  Hello, I'm Joanna Fletcher.

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  And I'm Marco Burchella.

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  And this is Boots Off.

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  We are friends who have spent a decade together, walking up mountains, across deserts, and along coastlines with some seriously awesome groups of humans.

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  And something happens when you're out there, feet on the ground, surrounded by nature. The conversations just spill out of you.

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  This series is about the adversities that lead to adventure.

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  The adventures that lead to adversity.

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  And how life can be one big adventure in itself.

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  Listen every Thursday. Just search for Boots Off.

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  Oh, God.

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  Right.

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  How's it going?

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  You all right?

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  Am I all right?

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  Yeah.

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  You're stressed out. You've had a rubbish journey in.

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  I'm, um, my day's ruined.

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  What's happened?

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  Already. Just on the train, um, on the train in.

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  Yeah.

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  I was rushing to get my train. I was running a little bit late. And as I was going through the turnstiles, um, some bloke asked me for a picture there.

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  Oh, yeah.

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  I said, oh, I'm trying to, I'm trying to get a train. He was, oh, all right, no worries. And then I, then I was waiting for about two minutes for the train.

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  And he was just there?

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  He wasn't just there. No, I never saw him again. And I just thought, I could have just taken 20 seconds to have a picture with a bloke. It would have made his day. And now he's probably gone away and he's going to go and live the rest of his life thinking, oh, that was a bit of an awkward interaction.

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  Well.

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  You just can't leave the house, Joe. You can't.

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  No, I know. I know. I know. I get really affected by that.

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  I've just been thinking about it, the whole journey in. And it was just one little thing I could have done. I should have just missed the train, even if I thought I was gonna miss it.

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  Well, as we know, somebody once missed the train for me.

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  Yes.

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  Cause they were too embarrassed to interrupt me.

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  Yeah.

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  Even though they definitely should have interrupted me. And I wonder what I was talking about. Wonder what I was talking about. It would have been absolutely meaningless. I guarantee it would have been meaningless.

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  I genuinely couldn't concentrate on anything. I was just sat on the train, just going, oh god, that guy, I've ruined that guy's day. I've ruined his day.

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  I'm really sorry. But I, I get affected by that as well.

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  I'm all, I'm, I'm, I'm out of salts now. It's really sort of like nudged me in a different.

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  We're both quite easily sort of thrown, aren't we?

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  Oh, yeah, yeah. No, we're not mentally strong.

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  We're not to be relied upon.

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  No.

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  No.

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  Absolutely not.

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  You wouldn't, you wouldn't want us in a foxhole.

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  No. I did have pictures with loads of other people as well.

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  Well, that's all right.

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  Came in.

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  You've done fine. You all right?

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  I was like overcompensating.

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  Yeah, I know, I do.

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  I was being like really happy to see those people at the other end, at the other train station.

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  You wanna be the person, yeah, you wanna be the person after the person who, that's a great, that's a great place to be.

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  I must think, god, he's a lunatic.

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  Yeah, I know. Yeah. It's like, um, those people who meet you after that, they're like, sort of the child of a divorce or something.

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  Yeah.

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  Like they're benefiting from, we'll have everything, just have whatever you want. Let's, let's, you know, let's, we're gonna Disney World. What, again? Yeah.

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  I went for, I went for dinner with just my boys the other day there. I think it was last week. And it was really nice. We went to like quite a posh restaurant together. Claire was away on a hen day. And I was like, I did, I was sitting there just thinking, I look like a dad that's got his kids for the weekend. And he's trying to sort of like, shh, listen, I don't see you every time, but when I do see you, we go to a nice restaurant and.

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  Yeah.

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  Sort of like I look like a dad that was trying to make up for the fact that he doesn't see his kids enough. That's what it felt like.

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  Oh, it's hard.

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  But yeah, well, but he wasn't. That's not the case.

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  No, no, I know. No, I know. But like, yeah, no, I'm sort of going, oh, it's difficult.

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  It's difficult. I know, James, I know.

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  Let me just say, this is winding me up. I've got to move my, sorry.

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  Oh, God. Yeah. So, um, I need to drink some more beer to chill out.

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  You have some more beer? I'll probably have a little, um, I'm sorry, I'm so late. I've, it's just awful. Yeah. And I see, no, it's funny. I was just going on there as if you genuinely were like, yeah, I know it's really hard. Obviously, because I was distracted. But no, I know, but I know, but.

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  What was you distracted about? I know what you were distracted about, but.

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  I was distracted. I put my wallet, I put my wallet down there.

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  Yeah.

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  And then I'm like, is that in shot? I know it's not in shot.

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  It's definitely not.

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  I know it's not in shot, but, um.

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  But, you know, better to be safe than sorry.

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  It's not better to be safe than sorry. That's the thing. You have to fight it. You're not, like, that's just made it worse. That's just exacerbated my condition doing that. It's not better to be safe. Like, when people say you can't be too careful, you can be too careful. That, that is, that's the problem. You can, you can, like Howard Hughes, he was too careful.

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  Who was he again?

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  Billionaire with OCD.

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  He was the aviator.

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  Yeah, yeah. He was like.

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  Too, he was way too careful.

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  He was like, oh, I'm worried that food's got contaminated. I'll just order it all again.

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  Yeah.

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  I'm worried that that's, okay, hold on, Howard.

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  Yeah.

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  Hold on a minute.

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  I can see what's happening here, mate.

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  Yeah, yeah. Um, so.

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  He had all the genius stuff to go with it.

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  And the money.

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  And the money, yeah.

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  That's the thing. For many people, the only thing that, not for many people, well, no, for, no, actually, for almost everyone, the ultimate limit on your ability to go completely mad is you haven't got enough money. To go really, to go properly mad, in the end, if you want to scale it up, you need money. And most people haven't got the money. So they have to stop, they have to stop.

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  Yeah, they can't afford to be really insane.

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  I can't afford to buy that again.

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  Yeah.

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  Whereas he'd be like, I've scratched my car. I'll just buy a new one.

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  Exactly. There's no stopping him.

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  Yeah.

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  He could buy a house and just set foot in it.

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  And be like, oh, it's dirty.

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  Not sure, not sure.

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  Nah, leave it.

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  Nah, get another one.

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  Yeah, that's it. And that's the only, yeah. So it's, um.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  Good. So Joe Thomas says, if you're mental, it's good to be poor.

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  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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  Right, okay.

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  I want to, I think, I want less money for people with mental health problems. Much less, much less. It only encourages them.

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  Exactly.

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  It only encourages them. It's for their own good. I'm gonna set up, I'm gonna set up a hospital and above the door, there'll be a motto.

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  Yeah.

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  And it will say it's for your own good.

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  And it costs, it costs however much money you've got in your bank account a night. So you clean them out straight away.

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  Exactly.

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  So if they go, if they go into that hospital and they go, oh, no, not for me. You go, well, you can't afford to go anywhere.

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  Exactly. It's like.

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  Work harder.

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  Not smarter.

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  Exactly. Work, not smarter, work and smarter.

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  Work harder, not smarter.

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  Work harder, not smarter.

• 7:40Speaker 03

  Oh, Joe, but I am, um, I'm out of sorts, man.

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  I know, and I am also.

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  I'm really flustered. It really did fluster me.

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  I'm just gonna have a biscuit.

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  The hobnobs. How long have they been there?

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  I don't know, since last week, probably.

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  They're gonna be soft.

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  Well, you dunk them anywhere, don't you?

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  That is good, actually, to be fair. I think the hobnob, um.

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  One more t-shirt.

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  Yeah.

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  Already.

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  White t-shirt.

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  Hobnobs are a good dunk, a good biscuit to dunk, I think.

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  Hmm.

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  How long, yeah, and you've dunked that correctly, I feel.

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  Yeah.

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  It's just a quick dip.

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  You can't keep going in, can you?

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  But some people are like, oh, I hate it when the biscuit, um, falls off.

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  Well, you're holding in there too long.

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  Yeah, it's your own fault. You've got no sympathy.

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  I've got no sympathy for that. What do you fucking expect?

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  I need to, I need to learn. You've got, you've been to loads of therapy sessions and stuff like.

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  Yeah.

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  I need to learn. I've been to therapy sessions as well. I didn't, it took me a long time to realise what therapy was.

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  Yeah.

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  Uh, and I bought my sessions in a block.

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  Right.

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  I thought I was, I, I thought if I pay for like ten sessions now.

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  Bolt buy.

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  Yeah.

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  And then you sell them online, you go to Ticketmaster or.

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  Yeah, dynamic price it.

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  Dynamic price it, yeah, exactly.

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  No, but I thought if I bulk buy it, then, then I have to commit to it. It's a commitment then. Um.

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  Oh, I see.

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  And it took me a long time to realise, because I was just like, here's my problems. Uh, I'm constantly worried. Uh, I can't sleep at night at all. And when I do go to sleep.

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  My worries follow me even into my sleep. Like even while I'm asleep, I'm dreaming about what I'm worried about.

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  Well, yeah, you probably are.

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  And I, and I was just like, I'm just getting a bit fed up with it. Um, and I was hoping that. They would go, I've got some techniques to help you fall asleep. If you just breathe like this, you'll be absolutely fine.

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  Right.

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  That was what I was, I need, I was like, can I just get like something that will help me sleep tonight?

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  Right.

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  Can I do something, right? And, uh, that wasn't, it took me a while to realise what therapy was. And then after a little while, I was like. I genuinely had a, what, what you'd call a breakthrough.

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  Yeah.

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  And I was like, oh fucking hell, I've realised now what this is. And I've, and I've, I've answered all my own questions. Cause for ages I was just like, this bloke doesn't even say anything. He sits there. I'm talking the whole time. And, um, and.

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  No, yeah, they don't, they don't give you advice particularly.

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  And he makes it, he makes the silence uncomfortable. So I have to keep filling that silence. And then I realised.

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  Stop fucking doing that, man.

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  I realised that that was it.

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  That was the point of it. I'm sitting there and I, and he's, he's not saying any, he's not contributing anything to the conversation. So I better just keep talking. And then you go on your own journey and you discover these answers yourself.

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  That's it.

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  And it took me, it took me so long to realise that. And I was like, all right, this, this guy's actually a genius. He's, he's Derren Browned me or something.

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  It's.

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  Cause there's no point someone to, so, because everyone can give advice. Everyone can go, everyone can say, keep your chin up. Everyone can say, oh, it'll get.

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  Gives you advice.

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  Things will get better. And I know things seem bad now, but don't worry, da, da. And you, and you know all that advice already. Well, I love it when. It doesn't help sometimes.

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  I love it when you've got a chronic problem and somebody who you don't really know, gives you really, a really obvious piece of advice. And you think, bearing in mind how much his problem has affected me and how miserable it's making me, don't you think if there was something really easy and simple, I would already have fucking thought of it?

• 11:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. Is that what you say? Is that what you say to them?

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  No, that's what I think. I go, oh yeah, no, thank you. It really means a lot. Thank you.

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  But you do, you have, but also just the, even though it is, even though that, that advice sometimes can feel a bit,

• 11:37Speaker 03

  slightly annoying if you're going through something.

• 11:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  Um, the point of it is, is to know that, that there are people around you that

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  are there.

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  No, I know. I should, I should, I should be more grateful.

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  I don't mean strangers, by the way. What you said just then, I get.

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  Sometimes I've received advice from people who I basically don't know.

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  Yeah, yeah.

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  And it's.

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  You've got to stop walking up to people in the street and just having a therapy session with them, Joe.

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  Oh, honestly, I want.

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  If they just want to have a picture with you.

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  What, sometimes I've honestly, I've received a text message from somebody I've just met, literally saying, don't worry, Joe, it's going to be all right.

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  That literally happened once.

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  Yeah.

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  And I'm like, this is madness. The, my interaction with the world, there's a complete lack of distinction between different, like everyone's just the same status to me. It's just completely, in a way, in a way, it's beautiful.

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  Yeah, yeah. But our.

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  Completely equal.

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  Our relationship with strangers on the street in the UK.

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  Is blurred.

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  Yeah.

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  It is because we're everyone's mate.

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  Yeah.

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  Everyone talks to us like, which is amazing, which is incredible.

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  By the way, I'm not really with these people who are giving me advice. This isn't an in between us thing. This is something else. This is something deeper.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

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  Where I just look like somebody who is like open for fucking business.

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  Right.

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  Like over you go, not, no one else will talk to you, Joe Will. It's that.

• 12:59Speaker 03

  Well, that's it. I asked the other boys if they wanted to do this podcast. They both said no.

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  No, I assumed, well, they've got other work, haven't they? I mean, they've got, they've got other stuff going on.

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  They're on fire.

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  I just finished doing this podcast. I go home, I set a stopwatch of a week.

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  I think.

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  And I'm like, there's another one.

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  I think Simon Bird is what is listening to this podcast now.

• 13:20Speaker 04

  I know.

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  And lying in a travel lodge bed with a little cigar and a brandy.

• 13:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  Going, and if he asks me again, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say it's gonna cost you.

• 13:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  It's gonna cost you.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  No, he is, he's the, he's the Pete Best of Joe and James Fat Top. Isn't he?

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 13:37Speaker 04

  Um, no, but I mean.

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  Hmm.

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  But I do, I need a technique right now. I bet there's like people in the military or something that have a good

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  mental technique to, because they're constantly, their whole thing is they have to adapt. Don't they? Things can change under pressure. You've got to adapt. You've got to change your mindset. And you move in this direction now. I was, my whole day has been put off because of that little interaction I had. It was, it was less than six seconds, I would have thought. And now I can't get over it.

• 14:16Speaker 04

  Have you heard the Larry David story?

• 14:18Speaker 03

  What?

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  About the, obviously there's many.

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  Yeah.

• 14:21Speaker 04

  But the one where he went to an American, I think, or maybe a baseball match actually. And they, they had the camera on him on the, what's it called? Jumbotron?

• 14:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, the big screen.

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  And everyone was going, Larry, Larry, like a whole stadium. And then as he was leaving, somebody shouted to him, Larry David, you suck.

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  And then his wife said that on the way home, he was just like.

• 14:48Speaker 04

  It's that, isn't it?

• 14:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:49Speaker 04

  Constant, if we're constantly, um.

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  I can never think of this word vindicate, constant, I can never fucking think vindication.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:59Speaker 04

  It's not verified, it's not validated, it's vindicated.

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  Okay.

• 15:03Speaker 04

  There's three Vs, verify, validate, vindicate, but I can just somebody like.

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  Just write it down.

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  I genuinely might get it tattooed on me.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:12Speaker 04

  The word vindicate.

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  Vindicate.

• 15:13Speaker 04

  Can't ever think of it, but constant vindication, all we ever think is, yeah, I know. I know, I'm, I know that already. But then if somebody says you're rubbish. Then we're like, that's like the only thing that's actually been said, do you know what I mean?

• 15:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  Well, maybe that's not true. No, actually, no, I think it's more like. If people say we're great, we're like, oh, those, those poor.

• 15:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:41Speaker 04

  You know, they don't, they don't really know that I'm shit. Thank you, that's nice of them, yeah, that's nice of them.

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  We all know.

• 15:47Speaker 04

  Whereas if somebody says you're shit, you're like, how come that, how come they can see my soul?

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  That, yeah.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  My brother, my brother, um, when he would give lectures, when he was working at. Uh, University of, oh God, I should know this, Edinburgh, I think. He, um, he'd say that if somebody came up to him after his lecture and said, that was a great lecture. He would immediately lose all respect for them.

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  Cause he was like, well, you're clearly an idiot. And I think we're like that, aren't we? Whereas if somebody says you're shit, you're like, oh my God. A genius just told me I'm shit.

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  Not good, is it? Why is that a trait?

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  I don't know.

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  I don't know, I think. When someone pays, when someone pays me a compliment, I treat you like a joke.

• 16:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:33Speaker 03

  I'm like, oh, yeah.

• 16:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

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  Yeah, good one.

• 16:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  And then if somebody says, oh, you're shit or something like that. It's not a joke, cause that's true. So that's how, that's how, that's how it works in my head. But this bloke didn't slag me off, by the way, he didn't say like, you're shit.

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  Of course, I know, that's the thing.

• 16:48Speaker 03

  He went, oh, all right, no, no.

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  This is, this is why, this is why you felt so bad, because if he'd have been horrible, then maybe you could have thought. Oh, well, he was, but he wasn't, he was a gen, he was a perfect gentleman.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  Really nice.

• 17:00Speaker 04

  Well, look, I mean, I'm, you know, it's obvious that you're sorry.

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  I just regret it. I regret the whole thing.

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  I just, I don't know, I mean.

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  I don't know whether you're ever gonna be able to make amends for this.

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  I don't know.

• 17:13Speaker 04

  But, but, but, but, well, I, I mean, I would say, get one of those, um. Chain things.

• 17:22Speaker 03

  As Christian, yeah.

• 17:23Speaker 04

  Get that on.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. And just tighten it every now and then, just walk around with that.

• 17:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. Whenever you miss a photo.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  It does happen. It does happen a couple of times. And it is, I, I, it is usually when I'm running late for a train.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  It's just hard if you're running late.

• 17:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:41Speaker 04

  And also.

• 17:41Speaker 03

  But I wasn't running late, it turned out.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  I know, but you didn't know that. You didn't know that. You didn't know that. I once tried to tell an anecdote to my mum about how I'd got onto the tube platform and there was a seven minute wait for the next tube. And as I was telling it, I was like, this isn't a story.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  No.

• 17:56Speaker 04

  I could tell her, I could see like, my G loves me more than life itself. And even she was going, this is a terrible story. What, what? That's just not a story.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  Save it for a podcast, Joe. Bring it up on a podcast.

• 18:08Speaker 04

  It's my fact for this week.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 18:11Speaker 04

  It is actually a family.

• 18:11Speaker 03

  I don't know what I'm gonna do.

• 18:12Speaker 04

  It is actually a family related fact this week and, and it's interesting. And I've got a prop.

• 18:16Speaker 03

  Is that true?

• 18:17Speaker 04

  No, no, it's fact free. Fact free. But I've got a.

• 18:20Speaker 03

  Hundred percent fact free.

• 18:21Speaker 04

  Hundred percent fact free.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  No, we, yeah, we've gone, we've got, we've got no theme this week.

• 18:27Speaker 04

  No theme. No theme.

• 18:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:30Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, theme free.

• 18:32Speaker 03

  Do you know what? That makes it more difficult to come up with a fact.

• 18:34Speaker 04

  I know, you haven't got, I know. I just can't. I've already, I mean, I've, also I noticed in one of our comments that they've said, I've heard Joe and James both tell the same story twice. And I know I've said this before, but I did once have to go on, um, Sunday brunch. And they were like, just a question we ask all our guests. Is there something you'd like to talk about? Anything at all, be anything in the world. And I had to ring back and go, no.

• 18:55Speaker 03

  Right.

• 18:56Speaker 04

  No, I haven't got it.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  Didn't want to do the seven minute train.

• 18:59Speaker 04

  Hadn't happened yet, maybe. Or it hadn't, yeah.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  That's unlucky.

• 19:02Speaker 04

  Well, and also I was saving it for my mum.

• 19:04Speaker 03

  Right, yeah.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  Uh, cause she might watch the show and be like, oh, God. Why is he sharing that with?

• 19:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:09Speaker 04

  You know.

• 19:11Speaker 03

  But it's true about the thing.

• 19:11Speaker 04

  Tim and Simon.

• 19:12Speaker 03

  Isn't there a psychological thing where if you go into an ice cream shop and they've got fifty flavours?

• 19:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  You you will eventually pick a flavour.

• 19:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  That then maybe then more often not regret your decision. Whereas if they had three flavours, you'd pick a flavour and you go, oh, yeah, that was the one.

• 19:32Speaker 04

  I don't think, yeah.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  And I'm happy, I'm happy with my choice.

• 19:34Speaker 04

  People often present choice as though there's like various different paths and you can choose one of them. I think choice much more often presents it as a simple binary. There's one thing and it's like, do you want to do it or do you not want to do it? That is how I think choice really operates. It's like, it's a yes or no answer to an individual thing. Whereas I think people often present, I think if somebody's presenting you with choices, it's normally because they want you to do one of them. I think what they're really doing is saying, um,

• 20:00Speaker 04

  here are two things that are obviously worse, or maybe you could do the one that is clearly better, which is the thing they want you to do. But it's just right, because the choice generally operates in that way. Normally, when I have choices to make, it's not, do you want to do this or this or this or this or this? It's like, here's a thing, yes or no?

• 20:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:15Speaker 04

  That's to me how it, how choice generally presents itself to me.

• 20:19Speaker 03

  Right. But then you've got, but then you might say yes to everything.

• 20:24Speaker 04

  Well, I do.

• 20:24Speaker 03

  Right, that's true.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  I forgot about that.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm trying to rein that in because it can cause problems.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 03

  Conflict.

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• 21:44Speaker 06

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• 22:21Speaker 03

  But yeah, I don't know what we're gonna do. I don't know what we're gonna do about this podcast. I mean, I'm flustered, I'm...

• 22:27Speaker 04

  You're upset. I was late and moaning.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:29Speaker 04

  There are too many roadworks in London. I mean, for heaven's sake, like, it's like, I was in a taxi once and the taxi driver said, "If you came here from another country, you think there'd be an earthquake?" I was like, "Yeah, I agree with that." It's like, "When is it gonna be finished? Just fucking finish it. Finish it." The only rea- the main reason we have a building in London is so it can be knocked down and rebuilt?

• 22:50Speaker 03

  There's no- listen, there's no one that...

• 22:52Speaker 04

  There's no one in any of these fucking buildings. Anyway, they're constantly building brand new office blocks, completely empty, to- floor after floor, totally empty.

• 23:01Speaker 03

  No one likes slagging off London more than me.

• 23:03Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm, I know.

• 23:04Speaker 03

  I hate the place. But, one good thing you can't knock London for... Is the Tube.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  Oh, the Tube's amazing. It's amazing.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  The Tube. We, like, Londoners should be so proud of the Tube.

• 23:18Speaker 04

  It's fantastic.

• 23:18Speaker 03

  It works so well. Yes. Is it a hundred percent perfect? Probably not, but I think it's as perfect as you could ever get.

• 23:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  In a system.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. And the map, the map itself is a work of genius. Absolutely. And actually, I would say a thing of beauty. I think they're genuinely beautiful.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  It's really sort of quite pop art, sort of.

• 23:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:40Speaker 03

  There's something about it.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:42Speaker 03

  Um, so yeah, I had to get the Tube if I was here.

• 23:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, um, I got an Uber in today and, um, that, you know what? It's like, you know, like in the Truman Show where they're just trying to prevent him from leaving? And then they're like, just do anything. Say there's a fire. Say there's roadworks. London's like that. You're like, very fucking good. Yeah, I really thought I was gonna get it. Ah, it's a little temper like, and, and, and he goes, what now?

• 24:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:08Speaker 04

  I'm always like that in London. I'm like, what the fuck now? And I've obviously got, I've obviously got to like doff my hat to London. I'm like, well done. I really thought I was gonna get there on time and you're like, quick, Joe's gonna get somewhere on time. What can we do? Anything? Uh, just dig up the road there. Why? Doesn't matter. Is anyone actually working there? Nah. What is it? It's just a load of barriers and some cones. There's no men there working. They're not there. But there, you just can't go there.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  Um, what are we doing? We're doing a podcast. Um, oh, oh, just, um, on the subject of cold opens. Have you seen, um, the UK SNL yet at all?

• 24:40Speaker 04

  No.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  No. Seen a bit of it.

• 24:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:43Speaker 03

  Uh, and it was, I was like, oh, it's all right. Um.

• 24:49Speaker 03

  But a lot of people like it, which was really good. A lot of people did really like it.

• 24:52Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  Um, which I thought was really good because I was, I was worried about the, um, because I genuinely think the format would work really, really well in the UK. But I do feel like for one reason or another, I don't want to get into it. I do feel like if you want to be a comedian or working comedy these days, you're like fighting with both hands tied behind your back a lot of the time. You're either too much this or not enough of that. And it's, um, it's just nice to see.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Some ambition and some.

• 25:25Speaker 04

  Is it good?

• 25:27Speaker 03

  It's all right.

• 25:28Speaker 04

  It's all right.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  It's okay. I I it was one episode.

• 25:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:31Speaker 03

  And I've not watched it all, but um. Definitely, definitely a foundation there to be built upon and and if it can be encouraged. And also, you know, if if you can uh let loose a little bit.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  If you can just.

• 25:47Speaker 04

  Well, it needs, I mean, it I, yeah, it needs, it needs to have. SNL in the US is uh has uh savagery. To it, uh particularly with regard to like. American elites and the UK one would need to have a similar savagery towards the UK elites.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 26:09Speaker 04

  Um.

• 26:12Speaker 04

  I would observe that one of the problems is that one of the UK elites is the very network on which SNL is broadcast. So I'm I'm not really, it's a little bit like.

• 26:24Speaker 03

  That's the same.

• 26:25Speaker 04

  It's like it's like Putin setting up SNL Russia and you're like.

• 26:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:29Speaker 04

  Right, but really our main job should be to criticize you.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  That, to be fair, that's the, I mean, there's nothing you can do about that. That is the same.

• 26:36Speaker 04

  No.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  Touch toes again.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  Touch toes again.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  That's the same with um, that's the same with the American version as well. Cause like the head of NBC.

• 26:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  I mean, it used to, the the it used to be the guy who was the head of NBC was um. What's his name's mate? Um, OJ Simpson. And Norm MacDonald's.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  Right.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Was essentially fired because he kept doing OJ Simpson jokes during the whole trial thing.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:06Speaker 03

  And the head of the network was friends with OJ Simpson.

• 27:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, I mean, yeah.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  So there's nothing you can do about that. I wouldn't, I wouldn't read too much into, I wouldn't read too much about that.

• 27:16Speaker 04

  No, okay. Well, it'd be, I mean, well, I think what you need in those cases is you need a test case where you say, all right, well. Because I'm sure that like, Sky's position would be, no, you can do what you want.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  You know, you can make jokes about us, you can make jokes about Rupert Murdoch. Well, try. Just see if it, and if you can't, fuck it. It's not a seditical news programme then.

• 27:39Speaker 03

  I don't.

• 27:39Speaker 04

  It's just propaganda.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  I'd also say that there's a bizarre.

• 27:44Speaker 04

  That is my opinion. I'm sorry.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  I'd also say there's a bizarre laughter track on it.

• 27:48Speaker 04

  Right, okay.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  Like, after every line, there's like some real hilarious, like, people are pissing themselves. I'm like, well, hang on a minute, that wasn't, you're allowed to have, you're allowed to have the, uh, the build up.

• 28:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:03Speaker 03

  And then laugh at the punchline.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  People are laughing.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  Just immediately.

• 28:06Speaker 03

  People are like, knock, knock.

• 28:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:11Speaker 03

  Who's there?

• 28:14Speaker 03

  It was a bit. That was the only thing I was watching. I was like, oh, this is, I've noticed that already and it's now.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I, um, yeah, I, I, um. I'm never really sure about laughter tracks because there's just too many opportunities to fiddle around with it. I mean, I just got to watch it, haven't I?

• 28:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, give it a go. I think it's an encouraging, I, I, I genuinely think it's an encouraging foray back into actually having a laugh again. Um, and they're all young, um, sort of stand-up comics and comedic actors and stuff and.

• 28:51Speaker 03

  I. You wanna, you wanna encourage that?

• 28:52Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, you definitely do and I, uh, will give it a go. Right, so.

• 29:00Speaker 03

  Shall we do this podcast?

• 29:01Speaker 04

  Let's do this podcast now.

• 29:07Speaker 03

  Um, welcome to Joe and James Fact Up. Each week we'll be bringing facts to one another that we deem interesting and our policy is the more interesting, the more true it is. We're also digging into the, uh, weird things that you'd like to think are true, but can't be bothered to research yourself in a segment that we call Fact Check. And if you do want to send us your facts, our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp is 07822034330. And you can follow us on our socials at joeandjamespod. And you can watch all our episodes in full on YouTube. Just go and search for Joe and James Fact Up. Now, let's get fact up.

• 29:44Speaker 06

  Did you say you haven't got a fact?

• 29:46Speaker 03

  I've got loads to choose from is the problem here. Sometimes you sort of need to be narrowed down a bit.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  I've got some spares that Hannah told me were too shit.

• 29:55Speaker 06

  Oh, do share.

• 29:56Speaker 04

  But honestly, I literally said to her, you don't know the bar? Like, they're well above the bar. Her standards are absolutely impossible. I was just like, oh, sorry, it's not the most interesting thing ever. But I assure you, Hannah, it meets the threshold.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Did we do a, did we talk about how many bananas it would take to kill you? Yeah, we did, didn't we?

• 30:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, we are forgetting stuff now. There are, some of the comments now are like grandchildren being like, you've told us that, grandad. But in quite a loving way, and also being like, maybe they should have a guest?

• 30:31Speaker 03

  But I did, I did find.

• 30:34Speaker 04

  We could just have a guest who reminds us when we've said stuff before.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  Oh, it's fine. But you listen to the XFM, the Ricky and Juvay show, they say the same stuff.

• 30:42Speaker 04

  Exactly. I honestly think there's not actually that much to say.

• 30:47Speaker 03

  There's literally stuff where they have the same conversation and Juvay's going, no, no. And Cole's saying something and he goes, actually, I think you, I think you, say it again, I think you might have told me this before. It doesn't matter, does it?

• 31:01Speaker 04

  It doesn't matter.

• 31:02Speaker 03

  Also, the.

• 31:03Speaker 04

  Nothing matters, anyway.

• 31:05Speaker 03

  Nothing else matters. The, us interrupting each other, that still seems to be a problem.

• 31:11Speaker 04

  Well, Hannah, today Hannah said.

• 31:13Speaker 03

  We have a conversation.

• 31:14Speaker 04

  I know, we, we, we.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  We've always been like that. Claire used to say that about us, though, when she'd come to set for the Inbetweeners, she would just be like, the four of you together are exhausting. She'd be like, there's no gap. You all just, or all just, you're like giddy children, just all talking over each other.

• 31:33Speaker 04

  Well, I think it's fine. And may I say, from time to time in my life, I've encountered people who have done a very specific thing, which is they wait until I've finished saying what I'm saying, and then they go.

• 31:47Speaker 04

  And I fucking hate it.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:49Speaker 04

  I fucking hate it because it's like they're going. You're a stupid fucking idiot. And do you think that like it's it's like they're taking a moment

• 31:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:57Speaker 04

  to genuinely metabolize the stupidity of what I've just said.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Or they're just.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  Before they come back.

• 32:03Speaker 03

  Or they're just going, I'm gonna let that hang in the air for a second.

• 32:06Speaker 04

  Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

• 32:08Speaker 06

  I think people think they're being polite, like they're considering what you've said, like really taking it in.

• 32:13Speaker 03

  No, you know, you know, the difference between polite and.

• 32:16Speaker 06

  But they think they might be.

• 32:17Speaker 03

  Smugness. I remember.

• 32:19Speaker 04

  Maybe they think they are, but but.

• 32:20Speaker 03

  I remember when I was um auditioning for the in between us. And um at this stage in my life, I was auditioning for loads of stuff. And I was seeing like the same boys all the time. We were all auditioning for the same stuff. And um I saw this one guy who uh you might know, actually. We both know his brother. Um and uh he um. He was always a bit of a bit, he was always a bit of an asshole, to be fair, right? And um. And one time he was like, oh, hey, man, hey, man, super posh, uber posh.

• 33:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:01Speaker 03

  Hey, man, um, good to see you. And he like put his hand out and I shook it. And then he just went, he shook my hand and just went, right, and you're um, you're auditioning for this as well, are you? And I was like, you're a cunt, man.

• 33:13Speaker 04

  Wiped it off.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I was like, I was like, I know what you're doing, fucking as we're both auditioning for the same part.

• 33:20Speaker 04

  Oh, God, you think he did it as a.

• 33:21Speaker 03

  Oh, he was just fucking, he was constantly sort of.

• 33:24Speaker 04

  Terrible.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  He was always like that.

• 33:26Speaker 04

  That's awful.

• 33:27Speaker 03

  It was uh, I'll tell, I'll tell you off camera.

• 33:31Speaker 04

  Off air.

• 33:31Speaker 03

  Off air.

• 33:32Speaker 04

  Off air, yeah.

• 33:33Speaker 03

  Off, off hair.

• 33:35Speaker 04

  Off.

• 33:37Speaker 06

  Have you chosen a fact?

• 33:38Speaker 03

  Um, no, I've not. I've not chosen the facts for today, but there was just one, um, just. Uh, to follow up our banana thing, because some, because there is like. If you eat too many bananas.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  It's out there as an urban myth that if you eat two.

• 33:53Speaker 03

  But.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  You'll die. And you're like, it's weird that that never happens then, because.

• 33:57Speaker 03

  Did we mention this?

• 33:58Speaker 04

  Well, they sell them in bunches, but don't eat more than one.

• 34:01Speaker 03

  But did you mention, did we talk about this? Because I feel like if we had, I would have remembered it, but. Um, that they contain potassium and a tiny bit of that is radioactive potassium faulty.

• 34:13Speaker 03

  So bananas are radioactive. Um, but you'd need to eat about 10 million bananas at once for it to to die from it. All right, should we do, let's crack, let's crack on with this.

• 34:24Speaker 04

  Let's go.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  We've got some, um, some real fact up stuff for us to discuss. Um, with you guys have been getting in contact. We've got a voice note from Danny. Danny sent us a voice note. So we should probably listen to that.

• 34:40Speaker 04

  And this has been, um, the, what is it? Sub edited titled itchy or sticky?

• 34:45Speaker 03

  Itchy or sticky?

• 34:46Speaker 04

  So I'm already intrigued.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  I am, yeah.

• 34:50Speaker 06

  Good morning, lads. It's Danny from Northwood. My question for J and J is would you rather be sticky all over your body for the rest of your life or itchy all over your body for the rest of your life?

• 35:04Speaker 03

  Easy.

• 35:05Speaker 06

  Love the pod and James cheers for the cameo you did for my dad's birthday the other day. Have a good one.

• 35:12Speaker 03

  Stop. Um, it's easy.

• 35:15Speaker 04

  Thank you, Danny.

• 35:16Speaker 03

  Easy. Shall we both say at the same time after three? One, two, three, sticky.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  Oh, no. I like scratching, that's why I said.

• 35:27Speaker 03

  I had to, um, basically take all my clothes off on the train on the way in today.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  Your honour.

• 35:34Speaker 03

  I've got this shacket. I've got a shirt. I've got a vest underneath this shirt and I've got my coat with me, my jacket with me. Uh, and I had an itchy back and I just couldn't.

• 35:46Speaker 04

  Oh, an itchy back.

• 35:46Speaker 03

  I could not get to it through all the layers of clothes. So I had to stand up and I was sort of, you know, like, um, I don't know. Do you have a panic in those situations? Cause I do.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  I.

• 35:58Speaker 03

  I'm just like, oh no. Uh, so I had to stand up. I took my coat off, I took my sh- my shacket off and then I'm like putting my hands down my back to get to my skin and I couldn't quite reach it. It was right in the middle of my shoulder blades.

• 36:10Speaker 04

  It feels like, it feels like. It's very, very small. It's about the size of a fifty pence piece, the bit that you can't reach.

• 36:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:19Speaker 04

  And you're like, could you just get rid of that bit?

• 36:21Speaker 03

  I need a travel, a travel telescopic.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean? That wasn't a public facing yawn, if I may say. That was a, that was a private facing yawn.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  No, that's, you know.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. And you want a scratcher?

• 36:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  Little, little travel back scratcher.

• 36:40Speaker 04

  Or a PA?

• 36:42Speaker 04

  I'll do it. I'll come around with you.

• 36:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:43Speaker 04

  That's right. I'm not doing anything else as we've covered.

• 36:45Speaker 03

  Back scratcher. God, that's proper fucking, that's balling.

• 36:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  You've got a personal back scratcher that just follows you around all day long.

• 36:54Speaker 04

  But this is what I mean. Having a good scratch is actually quite pleasurable. Am I allowed to deal with it if I'm, because of my question, like, if it's?

• 37:03Speaker 03

  No, but you're constantly itchy, Joe.

• 37:06Speaker 03

  If you're sticky, that's more.

• 37:08Speaker 04

  But then you're also, but then you're also constantly sticky.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I feel like that's more other people's problem.

• 37:17Speaker 03

  Because, because you're only sticky if you come into contact with something.

• 37:23Speaker 03

  Whereas you could be, I mean, don't get me wrong, the sticky would, you know, I'm thinking about, you'd constantly be like pulling the fitted sheet off your bed and stuff like that. That would probably get annoying. But I feel like I could sleep with that. I wouldn't be able to go to sleep if I was constantly itchy. It would drive you mad. You'd go insane. It's like those people that have hiccups for four years or something.

• 37:50Speaker 04

  You've actually completely convinced me. It is, it is actually, it is sticky, isn't it? That's the great.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  It's gotta be sticky, innit?

• 37:58Speaker 04

  I, I was sort of thinking, I was thinking quite short term about how pleasurable it can be to have a scratch, but it, but it, but if it doesn't make any difference, I mean, it's like, if you're constantly hungry, I'd be like, well, I'd eat, but then, no, but you're still hungry.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  That would be, that wouldn't be pleasant. Yeah, that wouldn't be pleasant.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  Um, right.

• 38:16Speaker 04

  It's a great, um.

• 38:18Speaker 04

  It's a good question.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  Very good question.

• 38:20Speaker 04

  From you, James.

• 38:22Speaker 03

  From the D man, from the big D. Thank you very much. D head.

• 38:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're right about the tube though, I have to say.

• 38:28Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 38:29Speaker 04

  I mean, it's, it's very, um.

• 38:30Speaker 03

  Oh, it's brilliant.

• 38:30Speaker 04

  It's very, very difficult to kind of.

• 38:32Speaker 03

  I think we take it for granted.

• 38:33Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, but the temperature on the tube, I mean, oh no, you weren't even talking about temperature, were you?

• 38:36Speaker 03

  No, I was just talking about how great the tube is. It's just brilliant.

• 38:39Speaker 04

  And itching.

• 38:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:40Speaker 04

  But the tube is fantastic. Yeah, I love it. Yeah.

• 38:42Speaker 03

  Joe, have you got a fact for us today?

• 38:44Speaker 04

  We are at cross purposes. I have actually.

• 38:46Speaker 03

  I think we're doing two different podcasts. Are we on two different episodes? Have me and Joe got two different briefs? Quite possibly, yeah. Is Joe doing the next one?

• 38:54Speaker 04

  Um.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  Go on, Joe, have you got a fact? We've gone fact free.

• 38:57Speaker 04

  So, so, so, um, I'm actually gonna, um, so I'm gonna, I've got, bought a prop for this, right? So this is.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  That's exciting.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  That's really exciting.

• 39:08Speaker 04

  Well, it's just this jumper.

• 39:09Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  But this jumper is made, hold on, I'm gonna put it on.

• 39:14Speaker 04

  Right. So, do you like this jumper?

• 39:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do, yeah.

• 39:17Speaker 04

  So this was knitted by, uh, Hannah's gran.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love a proper, um, a genuine gran knitted sweater.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:30Speaker 03

  Um, Claire's gran knits a lot and for the first few years, our kids just had cardigans and sweaters.

• 39:40Speaker 04

  This is like, this gets a lot of compliments.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:43Speaker 04

  And I wear it all the time. It's, it's a good kind of workhorse.

• 39:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:47Speaker 04

  She actually made, she made me three jumpers.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  Wow, that would have taken us so long.

• 39:51Speaker 04

  The, and they were all, they're all great, but what I would say, and obviously.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  You're gonna critique her?

• 39:59Speaker 04

  Well, and only gently.

• 40:01Speaker 03

  Coming from love.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  And she's, you come from love and she's a wonderful woman, no longer with us sadly, but like a, a, a lovely, but a lovely, yeah, so in a way, you know, exactly. Um, first one.

• 40:15Speaker 04

  Arms very, very short.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  Short arms.

• 40:17Speaker 04

  About to here.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  Right.

• 40:19Speaker 04

  Second one is this. Motherfucker here.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:23Speaker 04

  Right. Absolutely nailed it.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:26Speaker 04

  Perfect.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:27Speaker 04

  So she's got that now.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 40:29Speaker 04

  I've nailed it now.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  Looking forward to the third one.

• 40:30Speaker 04

  Third one. Gigantic.

• 40:33Speaker 03

  Absolutely massive.

• 40:34Speaker 04

  So it was like, a bit like when a football team has a good game and it's like, well, the next game they'll carry on the, oh no.

• 40:40Speaker 03

  Oh dear.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  So this was the sweet spot.

• 40:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  And.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  I wanna see the gigantic one.

• 40:47Speaker 04

  I will, you've actually seen it once, I brought it in and you were laughing at it.

• 40:54Speaker 04

  Cause it was so big. It's big and grey.

• 40:57Speaker 03

  Big.

• 40:57Speaker 04

  Like an elephant.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:01Speaker 04

  So.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  You have elephant jumper.

• 41:05Speaker 04

  It's an elephant jumper.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 04

  It fits an elephant, but also you wouldn't know the elephant's got it on.

• 41:11Speaker 03

  I was, um, I was looking, I was flicking through Instagram on the way in today and I was getting, um, served up. Um. Medieval. Pictures, medieval artists, pictures, drawings, paintings and whatnot of animals that. They knew existed, but had.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  They'd never seen them.

• 41:31Speaker 03

  But never actually seen, so.

• 41:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  Um. So lions, an elephant was one of them, some of them were like, some of those are nuts.

• 41:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  Like one elephant had a small castle on its back with some people in it.

• 41:44Speaker 04

  Cause obviously what's happening, somebody's seen an elephant.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:46Speaker 04

  But then it's taken them three months to get home.

• 41:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  And.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  But they've gone, oh, they're huge, they're massive.

• 41:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Absolutely ginormous.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  Um, but also I was looking at these lions and I was like, right, that is why those lions look like that on like royal crests. Or, or the, the England badge and stuff like that. Those sort of like long bodies and weird legs.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  Um.

• 42:10Speaker 03

  But yeah, just because you said elephant then, and that's the type of stuff that I'm liking on Instagram.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, it's good. And good stuff on Instagram also is the what fruits and vegetables used to look like before we started selecting breeding.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love that. Same with dogs.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:26Speaker 03

  They're always interesting.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  Dogs are funny. What I like about dogs is.

• 42:28Speaker 03

  They've got, they've got photographs of dogs from like the nineteen tens, nineteen twenties or whatever, of breeds. And you can see how they've sort of maybe been overbred a bit.

• 42:38Speaker 04

  And the other thing I like about dogs is that like you've got two dogs, they're like, it's the only species where there's two examples can stand next to each other. They're both adults, they might be the same age, but one of them is five times as big as the other one. It's like having a mate where you're like, hello there. All right, mate. And sometimes the little one. Well, sometimes, but you know, you wouldn't get an adult human who's five times bigger than another adult human.

• 43:03Speaker 03

  It would do. These medieval pictures I was looking at.

• 43:06Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  They're obsessed with giants in the Middle Ages as well. Just convinced they were giants.

• 43:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:12Speaker 03

  Again, do you think they just met some tall people?

• 43:14Speaker 04

  If you haven't found a giant yet, you haven't looked hard enough. Maybe we still haven't.

• 43:19Speaker 04

  So anyway, this jumper, so this was knitted by Hannah's nan. And she, so this is, this is my fact for this week. She had a really, really interesting job in the war, Second World War. And she worked, I assume it was for the Ministry of Food. And there was a big problem with black market.

• 43:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:40Speaker 04

  Produce.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  In the Second World War.

• 43:42Speaker 03

  When rationing came in and stuff.

• 43:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:45Speaker 03

  There was a few people that could get their hands on something.

• 43:47Speaker 04

  And there was, and one, one problem they had was that farmers would lose a cow off the books and then the beef turns up on the black market. So.

• 44:04Speaker 04

  What her job was, was to every time a new cow was born, it had to get, in effect, a passport.

• 44:15Speaker 03

  Right.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  So that wherever it travelled around the country, they knew it was the same cow.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  It was documented, yeah.

• 44:21Speaker 04

  So she worked in an office and what would happen is that she would have a little card and it would have a picture of a cow on it.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 44:30Speaker 04

  Like a blank, a blank cow.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 44:32Speaker 04

  And then she would fill in all the, like all the markings. And apparently it was either brown and white or black and white.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  But the markings were obviously in different places.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  And then she had to give them all individual names.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 44:46Speaker 04

  So, so and so obviously by the end she was just calling them all sorts of things because it was just like she'd run out of names.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:56Speaker 04

  Although apparently she did, she tried to give them nice names.

• 44:58Speaker 03

  Right.

• 44:59Speaker 04

  So it was, you know, Blue Bell, Daffodil or something. I mean, it also seems, because I was speaking to my father-in-law about this, and it appears that she would always give them two names, like a surname.

• 45:09Speaker 03

  Just to make it, just to make it easier.

• 45:11Speaker 04

  Yeah. And I believe she worked in, we're not sure whether it was Somerset House or Trafalgar Square, but somewhere. And I just thought, what a lovely job.

• 45:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, brilliant.

• 45:21Speaker 04

  You know, you're in the West End, so you can, you can spend the day sort of drawing these cows and naming them.

• 45:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, so cows had.

• 45:28Speaker 04

  They had individual, an individual document, so.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  They had passports essentially, yeah.

• 45:33Speaker 04

  And, and yeah, and it was to counter the black market, so, yeah.

• 45:36Speaker 03

  Not quite photo ID, but drawing ID.

• 45:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, um.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  Like wanted posters.

• 45:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:46Speaker 03

  Like composites.

• 45:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  Have you seen this man?

• 45:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. But I think that's, yeah, he's, he's exactly much like that. And I suppose with a cow, actually a lot easier to approximate it with a drawing rather than. Yeah, rather than with humans where it might be more more challenging to be like, well, what did he look like? You know, exactly like this.

• 46:07Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 46:07Speaker 04

  But, um, yeah, I just thought.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, what an interesting job. My, my nan, um, made bombs.

• 46:13Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 46:13Speaker 03

  During the Second World War.

• 46:15Speaker 04

  Different ends of the spectrum.

• 46:16Speaker 03

  Exactly. She was in munitions factory. She was asked, she had the choice whether to become, well, they call them a land girl. Is that what they were called?

• 46:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, the land girls, yeah.

• 46:26Speaker 03

  Um, but she didn't want to leave the city. She didn't want to evacuate. She wanted to stay in, in London. Made bombs.

• 46:34Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  She was a tough old cookie, she was. Uh, good fact.

• 46:40Speaker 04

  Thank you very much. Yeah. And, and, um, it's, uh, yeah, I just thought, what, what a lovely little job. And, um, uh, my partner Hannah said, that's a job I'd like.

• 46:52Speaker 04

  And I had to be like, yeah, I imagine that that probably has been superseded now by technology.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a shame.

• 46:59Speaker 04

  It is a shame. Yeah, it's a shame.

• 47:02Speaker 03

  Anyway, um, shall we move on?

• 47:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.

• 47:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:08Speaker 04

  But, you know, happy with that. So we've got, so I understand that's, whatever that fact was, you haven't got one yet, have you?

• 47:14Speaker 03

  I'll get around to it, don't you worry.

• 47:16Speaker 04

  And I say, yeah, well, now's the, now's the time in a way.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  Oh, you're gonna, are you gonna chuck us in a bonus fact or something?

• 47:23Speaker 04

  Oh, see, no, no. What I meant was, I'm, I'm, I'm interested in knowing when you're gonna come up with your.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  It'll come. It'll come. I've got.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  It'll come when it comes.

• 47:30Speaker 03

  I've got to do fact check first and then I should have a, my own, um, fact.

• 47:35Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 47:36Speaker 03

  So it is time for fact check. Um, this is the part of the podcast where we read a question that you'd like us to get to the, uh, a fact or a question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. And then we're gonna have a good old think during the ad break and we'll come back and let you know how true it feels to us to decide whether it passes our fact check. Uh, I'll read this, Joe.

• 47:55Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 47:56Speaker 03

  Um, this week's fact check comes from James.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  But you can, you're allowed to not be called Joe or James. I feel like we're gonna, people are gonna start not sending us facts to check because they're gonna be like, oh, they're not gonna pick me because my name's not James.

• 48:15Speaker 04

  You are, yeah, you are allowed to be called not Joe or James, but you just won't be selected.

• 48:19Speaker 03

  No, you will. We've got to stop this. Hi, Joe and James. Huge fan of the pod. I've got a fact. It's in quotation marks. That's been causing absolute chaos and heated debates at work lately. So I'm hoping the Fact Up Council can finally settle it for us. Apparently, apparently the average bee can fly higher than Mount Everest, which sounds impressive for something that spends half its time headbutting windows. Is this actually true or is someone at work winding the rest of us up? Looking forward to the official ruling from the council. Cheers. Well, we're gonna have a little think and we'll be back after some adverts to let you know what we think.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  We'll have a think and then

• 49:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was all right. That makes sense.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  We'll express those thoughts after the ad break.

• 49:09Speaker 04

  Nice.

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• 51:27Speaker 03

  Welcome back to Joe and James Fact Up. Just before the break there, we were fact checking on behalf of James. We wanted to know, can bees fly higher than Mount Everest?

• 51:37Speaker 04

  And it's been causing chaos at work.

• 51:38Speaker 03

  It's been causing, there's been a huge debate at James's work.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  What at work's?

• 51:42Speaker 03

  Now, I'm going to, I've already made my mind up. What direction I'm going with this one, Joe.

• 51:48Speaker 04

  All right.

• 51:49Speaker 03

  I'm going to say some stuff now, even though I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about. But I think.

• 51:57Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 51:57Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:59Speaker 04

  Do you want me to?

• 52:00Speaker 03

  I was about to say the air is thinner, but I don't actually know what that means.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  No, you're right.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  Well, what does that mean? The air is thinner?

• 52:08Speaker 04

  I think it's less oxygen rich.

• 52:09Speaker 03

  There's less oxygen, yeah, but that's not, there's still.

• 52:13Speaker 04

  Well, the question should be, how much honey is there in the air? That's what they like.

• 52:18Speaker 03

  No, well, one, there's less air, right? Which is, which I, air doesn't necessarily mean oxygen, does it? Does it?

• 52:29Speaker 04

  I think when we say the air is thinner, what we mean is there's, is less oxygen.

• 52:32Speaker 03

  There's less, yeah, there's less ox, less oxygen. So you'll faint and stuff, but it doesn't mean there's less gas to move around so that you could float if you were.

• 52:42Speaker 04

  Oh, I understand. Yeah, yeah, because in order to generate.

• 52:46Speaker 03

  Wouldn't planes not be able to fly?

• 52:53Speaker 03

  I don't know, I don't know about that one. However, I will say that.

• 52:56Speaker 04

  I know what you mean. If it's, if, if ever bee is like a rowing boat of the air, it's going, when it's pushing.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:04Speaker 04

  And it's, it's pushing the air back so that you then move forward into the space that you've vacated.

• 53:10Speaker 03

  Oh, just your inside.

• 53:10Speaker 04

  That's what, no, sorry. What I'd like to know is what, what are bees doing up on Everest anyway?

• 53:18Speaker 03

  What the fuck are they doing up there?

• 53:19Speaker 04

  What are they, what are they carrying bags for?

• 53:20Speaker 03

  Listen, first of all, I don't think they are up there. I don't think there's any vegetation for them to get involved with. I don't think there's any pollen on, on Everest.

• 53:27Speaker 04

  No, but it's about the prestige, isn't it?

• 53:29Speaker 03

  It is. That's it. It's pointless, but it's just.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  Imagine, imagine the Instagram.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  So that when they can come back down.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:36Speaker 03

  They can tell all their bee mates, I've been to, I've been to the summit of Everest. Um, but I'm gonna say. Pressure.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  P- pressure?

• 53:48Speaker 04

  Pressure and oxygen.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Is there too much pressure?

• 53:52Speaker 04

  Is the air pressure higher or lower?

• 53:56Speaker 04

  Lower?

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Is it not? Higher?

• 54:01Speaker 04

  I would assume it's highest closest to the ground because that's.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  You've got more air on top of you.

• 54:05Speaker 04

  More air on top of you.

• 54:06Speaker 03

  But are you not?

• 54:09Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 54:12Speaker 03

  Gravity?

• 54:14Speaker 04

  Gravity's.

• 54:17Speaker 04

  You'd be a fool to completely ignore gravity.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:20Speaker 04

  Ever, ever, ever, ever.

• 54:23Speaker 03

  Do you know what? There was three things I was thinking of.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  Do you want to hear just something else about bees?

• 54:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  By card for bees, vinegar for wasps.

• 54:33Speaker 03

  What?

• 54:33Speaker 04

  That's how you treat a sting.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 54:36Speaker 04

  A bee sting is acidic. And a wasp sting is alkaline. By card for bees, vinegar for wasps. So I'm just gonna get that in first.

• 54:47Speaker 03

  Is that a German saying?

• 54:49Speaker 04

  Well, no, it's a little joke, isn't it? Cause it's like, it should be.

• 54:53Speaker 03

  B for bee.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  Or it should be like win- vinegar for wasps.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  Right. B for bee, V for bee.

• 54:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, B for bee, V for bee.

• 54:59Speaker 03

  Right.

• 55:00Speaker 04

  So let's just say that, just get that in first.

• 55:02Speaker 03

  It's a rockbuster, that one.

• 55:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, it is. Um.

• 55:10Speaker 04

  But as, it's not, obviously, it's not relevant at this stage. I'm interested in the idea of these bees going up there. I mean, it's, it's, um.

• 55:19Speaker 04

  Oh, I mean, obviously, another thing.

• 55:21Speaker 03

  Do you become heavier?

• 55:25Speaker 03

  Do you become heavier the further away from the earth's core you are?

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Are you being dragged more?

• 55:36Speaker 03

  Or is it just the same?

• 55:38Speaker 04

  Yes. I don't know.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 55:42Speaker 04

  I, when you go under the water.

• 55:45Speaker 03

  I literally started.

• 55:45Speaker 04

  The pressure gets very, very high and that's when you, there's a certain point where

• 55:51Speaker 04

  there's much more pressure on your lungs.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  It's the same, it's the same when you go up because your ears pop and stuff when you're on a plane and they have to pressurise the.

• 55:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:58Speaker 03

  The cabins.

• 55:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  If you're in a fighter jet, um, you've got to have the mask and stuff.

• 56:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:06Speaker 03

  Because all the oxygen, well, the oxygen there is, will just get squeezed out of you or something, will it not?

• 56:12Speaker 04

  This is complicated.

• 56:13Speaker 03

  Oh, no. Do you know what? I started this, um, conversation going. I've made my mind up already.

• 56:17Speaker 04

  You made your mind, you made your mound up.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  I'm just, um, it's that bloke this morning, he's really rocked me.

• 56:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  He's rocked my confidence.

• 56:28Speaker 06

  I think you need to look down that camera and apologise to him.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  I'm really sorry. I'm really sorry. I didn't do anything that wrong.

• 56:33Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't think he was upset. You're far more upset than he is.

• 56:39Speaker 03

  I don't know, though. I'll never know. Um.

• 56:41Speaker 04

  He's all right. I think he's okay.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  What do we, what are we saying?

• 56:44Speaker 04

  Well.

• 56:44Speaker 03

  Well, bees.

• 56:45Speaker 04

  Is it okay? I, I guess the other thing is, is it like the equivalent of Mount Everest? Like when people say that, you know, grasshopper can jump over a skyscraper.

• 56:53Speaker 03

  No, no, no. He's saying can bees fly higher than Mount Everest? I'm gonna say no, but I don't know why.

• 57:02Speaker 03

  Which isn't a fact. Well, well, yeah, well, we're supposed to be classed as a fact on this.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  Well, all you're really saying is can they, can they live as high as Mount Everest?

• 57:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 04

  Because they could just keep, they don't have to climb it in one go. They could climb it over the course of, not climbing, I don't know.

• 57:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:16Speaker 04

  Fly, but like the, can the atmosphere at the top of Mount Everest support the life of a bee? And uh

• 57:29Speaker 04

  it'd make it a lot easier.

• 57:31Speaker 03

  It is extreme.

• 57:32Speaker 04

  When they were up there, they just popped a little flag in and then we'd say, there you go.

• 57:35Speaker 03

  There we go. Yeah, they've done it.

• 57:37Speaker 04

  Well, look, if they were up there and they didn't do a flag, they've only got themselves to blame.

• 57:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:41Speaker 04

  I mean, word of mouth.

• 57:44Speaker 03

  Do you get?

• 57:45Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean? Buzz of mouth.

• 57:48Speaker 03

  Can you get birds up there? Do you get any animals?

• 57:54Speaker 04

  Don't know.

• 57:56Speaker 03

  No, I don't.

• 57:56Speaker 04

  The death zone, don't they?

• 57:57Speaker 03

  Honestly, that like this guy.

• 57:59Speaker 04

  The death zone where I think you start to go a bit doulally.

• 58:01Speaker 03

  Joe, I feel like I'm fucking doing that now.

• 58:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:06Speaker 03

  What are we saying, Joe? I'll let you decide, actually. I'm, I'm, I'm just, my confidence is completely wrong.

• 58:13Speaker 04

  I know, you're, you're totally gone and, and, and, um, don't worry, I'll, I'll take the reins.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  I can't make a decision on this one.

• 58:19Speaker 04

  Um.

• 58:22Speaker 04

  The av- the average bee can fly higher than Mount Everest. That's what we're saying. Um.

• 58:30Speaker 04

  I think it's true.

• 58:32Speaker 03

  You think it's true?

• 58:32Speaker 04

  I think nature constantly surprises us.

• 58:36Speaker 03

  Okay, we're gonna go true.

• 58:40Speaker 03

  We're gonna go true? We locking that in?

• 58:41Speaker 04

  We're locking that in. So the, the council says it's true. It's fact up. It's not so fact it hurts, obviously. But it's just, oh, you know what? I'm gonna give, you know, benefit of doubt to the attacker or whatever. Like, I think, let the game flow.

• 58:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 58:55Speaker 04

  Let the imagination flow.

• 58:56Speaker 03

  More fun if they were.

• 58:57Speaker 04

  Be more fun if they could. I don't know. But I think these days, almost anyone gets up.

• 59:03Speaker 03

  It'd be more fun if they wore tiny little North Face jackets and stuff.

• 59:07Speaker 04

  I think they did go up there, but they got a load of wasps to carry their stuff. I think that's what they did. And, uh, and they were up there, but you know, it's like fucking Piccadilly Circus up there now, isn't it?

• 59:19Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 59:20Speaker 04

  So they did, they did, they are up there, but they didn't do it in the golden age of mountaineering, where it was, you know, where they're up there, but they did do it in a slightly annoying corporate way.

• 59:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, they weren't pioneers.

• 59:30Speaker 04

  They all paid at least 10 grand and it, you know, it means less. So they did do it, but it means less.

• 59:36Speaker 03

  All right. Well, what have we said?

• 59:39Speaker 06

  Ready for the answer?

• 59:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:40Speaker 06

  Okay. So yes, specific alpine bumblebees can fly higher than the summit of Mount Everest. Studies found that these bees can handle air pressures equivalent to altitudes of over 9,000 metres by using deeper, broader wingstrokes to scoop more air rather than flapping faster.

• 59:58Speaker 04

  Ah, so you were on something with your, you know.

• 1:00:03Speaker 03

  The ingredients were there, weren't they?

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  The ingredients, though, you were there. I think you, you, um. The, the problem you had there, if I may say, was just genuinely like mental frailty. I think, I think you, you, you, you didn't have a good grip on yourself.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:00:16Speaker 04

  But, but you did have some early workings.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Flapped about a bit too much.

• 1:00:19Speaker 04

  It was a bit like sort of Fermat's Last Theorem. You'd can't, you were getting somewhere, but then you went, you lost your mind before. I don't know what it is. It's just an old, it's an old theorem and he didn't finish it. I believe he didn't finish it.

• 1:00:30Speaker 03

  I don't know what a theorem is.

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  Ah, just something like E equals mc squared.

• 1:00:34Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:00:34Speaker 04

  Like a new, a new one of that. He was going to bring out a new one of those.

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  He's going to bring out.

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  A new, I can, it was going to be brilliant.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  E equals mc, mc squared, squared.

• 1:00:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, like 2.0.

• 1:00:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, and so interesting, but so what's interesting about that is that like, James, obviously, I was like, what are they called?

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  They are called James, yeah.

• 1:00:53Speaker 04

  It's like the James or Joe. By putting in the average bee, that turns out to be

• 1:01:00Speaker 04

  a significant word, because it's not in fact the average bee, it's the alpine bee.

• 1:01:04Speaker 06

  No, not all bees.

• 1:01:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:06Speaker 04

  Not all bees.

• 1:01:07Speaker 06

  Not all bees.

• 1:01:07Speaker 04

  But the alpine bee.

• 1:01:09Speaker 06

  Bumblebees, alpine bumblebees.

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  Alpine bumblebee.

• 1:01:12Speaker 06

  Bumble keeps coming up.

• 1:01:13Speaker 04

  He keeps saying bumble. So.

• 1:01:17Speaker 03

  They play cricket.

• 1:01:18Speaker 04

  So what's in, yeah.

• 1:01:19Speaker 03

  They play cricket up there.

• 1:01:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean.

• 1:01:23Speaker 03

  The bees and bumble.

• 1:01:25Speaker 04

  Does bumble actually mean anything, or is it just something you say before bee?

• 1:01:30Speaker 03

  Bumble.

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  What does it mean?

• 1:01:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Speaker 04

  Bumblebee, it just, it sounds sort of like A A Milne or something, do you know what I mean? Like it's sort of like, oh, what's that?

• 1:01:37Speaker 06

  Apparently bumble means to move or act in an awkward or confused manner.

• 1:01:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I mean, so like bumble, like it just.

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, because you could be a bumbling idiot, can't you?

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:46Speaker 06

  So maybe it's stupid bees.

• 1:01:48Speaker 04

  Stupid bees.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  It's harsh, isn't it?

• 1:01:50Speaker 04

  I mean, I like it, it's just like, it's like if we only ever called, um, I don't know, dogs, like silly dogs. Do you know what I mean? It just seems like, well, if it, either it means something. Or, I mean, I'm, I'm pretty sure it might be in the Latin, you know, bumbleus, bumbleus, bolan, bolatus or something. That's a good one. So do you know the, the Latin name for, um, well, I don't know what they are, the gorillas that they've got at London Zoo? The Latin, the Latin name is gorilla, gorilla, gorilla.

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  That's because you've read the plaque so many times.

• 1:02:23Speaker 04

  You read it every week. I read it every week.

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  Have you been there this week?

• 1:02:26Speaker 04

  I haven't actually, no, no, it's.

• 1:02:28Speaker 03

  I'm giving them a break.

• 1:02:29Speaker 04

  Giving them a break, yeah. I was actually asked to stop.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  When do you go?

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  The animals were bored.

• 1:02:34Speaker 03

  Do you go during the week?

• 1:02:36Speaker 04

  Um.

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  Weekday?

• 1:02:37Speaker 04

  I go during the week. I tell you what, one time I went on a Monday morning, it was brilliant. There was almost no people there.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:02:46Speaker 04

  It was more, it was mostly like the staff or, I don't know, the zoologists, whatever they are. And, um, the animals were much more up for it. They were, they were, they were near the front of their cages. Like they were, the lions were all asleep right by the glass.

• 1:03:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  You could really look at them. Uh, it was much better. When the, when it's full of people, I think the animals get a bit like.

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  Come on, let's give us a break. Yeah.

• 1:03:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, we'll go out later, once it's settled down. You can also do zoo lates and you can even, you can stay in the zoo. You can do a, you can have a sleepover in the zoo. There's like three little lodges in there.

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  Amazing.

• 1:03:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, and, um, my, um, my next door neighbours did it and they said it was really good.

• 1:03:28Speaker 03

  Have you not done it yet?

• 1:03:29Speaker 04

  No, I haven't, but.

• 1:03:30Speaker 03

  I'm surprised you haven't done it.

• 1:03:31Speaker 04

  It's amazing I haven't done it.

• 1:03:32Speaker 06

  Can't you drink as well?

• 1:03:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, they serve alcohol as well. Yeah, the, the, um, the kiosks, like in the prohibition era. They kind of go out, right, party time.

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  Right. You shouldn't, you just drink.

• 1:03:45Speaker 03

  Should you just rent one of those lodges?

• 1:03:47Speaker 04

  I really should. I think maybe, honestly, for my forty third birthday.

• 1:03:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:51Speaker 04

  I might rent a lodge in.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  I mean, like for a long term, like get like a year's.

• 1:03:57Speaker 04

  Oh, I see, like Airbnb. Yeah, well, maybe, yeah, I could just rent it out, yeah.

• 1:04:02Speaker 03

  No, but it would just save you from having to keep going to the zoo.

• 1:04:04Speaker 04

  Oh, I see. Yes, absolutely.

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  If you lived there, if you ended up living there.

• 1:04:07Speaker 04

  Can you get a poster there?

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  I'm sure you can.

• 1:04:09Speaker 04

  You probably can, can't you? So, you know, I'd have to get like a.

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  Probably like a bird brings it or something. Or a bear with a post office uniform on.

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  Anyway, well, I've gone insane.

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  No, that was. No, that's right. So basically, yes, they can, but not the average bee, the alpine bumblebee can. Uh, and so basically we were right.

• 1:04:36Speaker 03

  Not the average bee.

• 1:04:37Speaker 04

  Not the average bee.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  Not the average bee.

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  Smarter than the average bee.

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  Joe, let's move on. I've got to do my facts for you.

• 1:04:45Speaker 04

  What have you got?

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  I've instantly forgotten it.

• 1:04:48Speaker 04

  Sounds like a good one.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  Oh, I just wanted to, uh, I just thought I would hijack your fact.

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  Go on.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  Um, which was actually my plan after a little while.

• 1:05:00Speaker 04

  That's good.

• 1:05:00Speaker 03

  Because I couldn't, I couldn't narrow it down to one fact. I was getting all of my, I was getting.

• 1:05:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're.

• 1:05:06Speaker 03

  Fact out my brain.

• 1:05:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, it can happen.

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  And, um.

• 1:05:11Speaker 03

  I thought, oh, do you know what?

• 1:05:12Speaker 04

  Burnt out.

• 1:05:12Speaker 03

  I'll do a little cow.

• 1:05:13Speaker 04

  It's like you're, you're exhausted.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  I'll do a little cow fact.

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  Ah, yes, okay.

• 1:05:18Speaker 03

  And, um, this is really sweet, actually. Um, cows have best friends.

• 1:05:22Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  And they get stressed when separated. Research has shown that cows form close, uh, social bonds with specific other cows in their herd. When they're kept with their preferred companions, their heart rates stay lower and they're calmer. If you separate from their best friend, they can become noticeably anxious and stressed. What's even stranger is that when they're reunited, they visibly begin to relax again.

• 1:05:50Speaker 04

  Oh, that's a really nice fact.

• 1:05:54Speaker 03

  I think cows are great.

• 1:05:56Speaker 04

  You know what? They make milk.

• 1:05:58Speaker 03

  They make milk.

• 1:05:59Speaker 04

  Cheese.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  Burgers.

• 1:06:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, they do, to be fair. But.

• 1:06:07Speaker 03

  They're good.

• 1:06:08Speaker 04

  No, they're, they're, um, they're a good creature.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  Good for them.

• 1:06:13Speaker 04

  Good for them. Hats off to the cows.

• 1:06:15Speaker 03

  Um, right, let's wrap this up.

• 1:06:20Speaker 04

  Is that the end?

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, that is it. I'm all fact out. What have we learned today, Joe? We have learned, uh, cows have best friends. We have learned that cows used to have passports during the war. We have also learned that, um, only a certain Alpine bumblebee can fly, climb Everest. Um, and what was the other thing? I feel like we've learnt one more thing.

• 1:06:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, we had the thing about itchy and, um.

• 1:06:48Speaker 03

  Oh, that wasn't something that we learned though, was it?

• 1:06:50Speaker 04

  Well, I learned it. I, I, I'll now, now know when I am given that choice, presumably upon entry to hell.

• 1:06:59Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:06:59Speaker 04

  Uh, I'll choose sticky.

• 1:07:02Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Don't forget that you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true for you. Or whatever nonsense, whatever message you want to get to me and Joe, our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com. Uh, WhatsApp is 07822034330 and you can follow us on social media at joeandjamespod. Head to the podcast description if you've already forgotten those details. We're off. We'll see you next week. Bye. Bye, guys.

• 1:07:30Speaker 07

  Joe and James, fucked up.

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