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• 1:03Speaker 02

  Have you ever bought a bed from Ikea? They've sort of cornered, they lock you in.

• 1:09Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  Because they've got the very specific.

• 1:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. I've encountered a bit of this as well. I've encountered a bit of this as well.

• 1:17Speaker 02

  If you buy a bed from Ikea, you need to buy the mattress from Ikea.

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  And then if you wanna change that mattress or, or, I don't know, you're stuck with the bed, with the frame. And Ikea's got you down.

• 1:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33Speaker 02

  They are, you cannot get away from Ikea once you buy. Do you know there's people that, um, that will, that you can hire? That will put your flat pack furniture together?

• 1:46Speaker 03

  I don't know why I would pay somebody to go through one of the most pleasurable activities.

• 1:52Speaker 02

  I, I love it.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  Still actually available to me.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  I absolutely love putting together.

• 1:57Speaker 03

  What the fuck? Well, I'm gonna pay somebody to like have a poo for me. I mean, what the fuck? Gee, you'd be fucking lucky if I'm paying you to put a flat pack together.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  Honestly, like, I have been left in a room. And Claire's like, you all right doing that all by yourself? And I go, yeah, I'll see you in about eight hours. Don't worry. And I, I, I'll stick the radio on and I'll just get to work.

• 2:18Speaker 03

  Lego is recreational, rightly so. And this is Lego, it's Lego for adults.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 2:25Speaker 03

  Lego for adults, I love it.

• 2:27Speaker 02

  But you can sort of, um, you know, you can take it to the, to the next level because Ikea are quite good about. They give you your, your little spanner that you need or your little Allen key that you need. I've got all that stuff already. So I like, I've got like sort of Allen key bits. I can put in my Coolish drill and stuff like that. And I'm just like, fuck, I just get away with it. I absolutely love it.

• 2:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:48Speaker 02

  I love following a.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  And, and the instruction, the Ikea instruction. Can we get an Ikea sponsorship? We're not sponsored by Ikea, by the way. Should probably mention. But the.

• 2:58Speaker 03

  It's amazing that we're not, given how much we're doing.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  The Ikea instructions. Oh my God.

• 3:05Speaker 03

  I like the little Murray's kind of going. And then, and then it's breaking, he's going. Um, do you know, there's a little.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  Can you describe that face for audio listeners?

• 3:14Speaker 03

  Um, there's a little sort of, um. Uh, a little fella with a sort of slightly sharp face. Is that, is that fair? He just has a sharp moon.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  He's sort of like the Ikea equivalent of, do you remember that little?

• 3:29Speaker 03

  Fido Dido.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  He's a bit like that, yeah. But also, do you remember that little paper clip that would turn up in Microsoft?

• 3:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's like that. Yeah, he is. He is that.

• 3:39Speaker 02

  He would tell, he would tell you how to use your computer.

• 3:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  Back in the day where like, when computers were like really new, you had to have this little cartoon paper clip that would go. Press the start, press the little start button and you'll get all your applications up.

• 3:53Speaker 03

  That's right. The home computer, the birth of home computer. And, and I, I'm interested in how.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  When no words are used, it doesn't matter what your native tongue is, you can understand these instructions. And that is interesting. They're managing to convey, you know, sort of, if this happens, do not do this, but do this without using any words. And I think that is, you know, that's really interesting. And

• 4:20Speaker 02

  Do you think that people tune into two blokes off the inbetweeners to hear them talk about Ikea?

• 4:26Speaker 03

  Uh, I certainly hope so.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  This is the problem. So like,

• 4:29Speaker 03

  I don't know what this is.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  I love this sort of chat. I will ask you this, Joe. What have you been doing? What have you been doing with your trainers?

• 4:37Speaker 03

  This is my trainers again. Are they starting to look a little bit?

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Like, what is it about you?

• 4:41Speaker 03

  The thing, okay, all I will say is that

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Because you've got

• 4:44Speaker 03

  I do wear my shoes. I don't, I mean, shoes are

• 4:47Speaker 02

  But what are you doing?

• 4:48Speaker 03

  They are on the ground and it's like trying to keep your car tyres in good condition.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  They get knackered really quickly, mate.

• 4:57Speaker 03

  They do. And I'm already worried that I am, I suppose the problem is I don't, I should have more than one pair of shoes. And I thought I did, but then it turned out that my trainers probably were a bit beyond the pale. I mean, they were about seven or eight years old.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Do you know what you should get? You should get a pair of Converse.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  Because the more knackered they get, the more cool they look, right?

• 5:24Speaker 03

  That's what I thought was happening with the trainers I started off this podcast with.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  But you've got really posh, Japanese sort of trainers.

• 5:32Speaker 03

  And I'm wearing them everywhere, aren't I? And they're getting knackered.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  Do you know what? Someone told me when I was young, they said, you can always judge someone by their shoes.

• 5:43Speaker 03

  I actually have heard this as well. And I benefited from it because when I first met Hannah,

• 5:54Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 5:54Speaker 03

  I just happened to be wearing

• 5:56Speaker 02

  She was just barefoot.

• 5:57Speaker 03

  I happened to bring a really expensive pair of shoes,

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  Which I'd called, called churches.

• 6:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. No, I remember your churches.

• 6:05Speaker 03

  And Hannah was very impressed by them.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. I was as well. I remember when you bought those.

• 6:09Speaker 03

  This is a guy who's going places.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  I remember when you bought those churches because Bond, we haven't spoken about Bond for a couple of weeks, have we?

• 6:18Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Bond, there's a reference somewhere. Somewhere in Bond lore, I don't know if he's in the books or if he's in the films or something.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  Drinks and my tea and he drives an Aston Martin.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  He gets his shoes from churches.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  He gets his suits from Savile Row.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  He gets his shoes from churches. And I remember when you said, when you, because I was like, fucking hell, they're posh shoes.

• 6:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  You're like, yeah, they're churches, mate. And they are, they are, you know, they are.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  I didn't want to buy them. I bought them.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  They're not cheap, these shoes.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  I think they cost five hundred.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  I've never even heard of them.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  They're, they're, they're English brogues. This pair of shoes cost five hundred pounds. That was a lot of money, particularly at the time.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:01Speaker 03

  I was, I was definitely one of the situations where I, I bought them out of embarrassment.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  I think it was like.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  I thought they might be about two hundred pounds and I wandered over to them.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  I think it was just as we were starting the.

• 7:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  Third series or something like that.

• 7:11Speaker 03

  It was still a lot of money for me. I didn't really have.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  On five hundred pound pair of shoes money.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  No, I didn't, I didn't really have five hundred pounds to spend on a pair of shoes, but um.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Fucking good investment in the end, isn't it?

• 7:26Speaker 03

  Paid off, didn't it?

• 7:27Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 7:28Speaker 03

  And I do think that, I feel that I probably. I cer- I certainly could not have afforded a Savile Row suit at the time.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  No.

• 7:36Speaker 03

  Because that's thousands and thousands of pounds. But at a.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  I couldn't even tell you. I'd love a Savile Row suit.

• 7:41Speaker 03

  At a stretch, I could just about get myself these shoes.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  Just sneak those in, on the budget there.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  It's like you're having a little taste of like, the, well, the Bond level, right? Just a little. And not really something that I can match up to in other areas, but in this one area.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  It's your whole theory, again, that holds, that, that holds true about men, just dressing.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 8:04Speaker 02

  For the jobs and the people that they wish they were. Yeah.

• 8:07Speaker 03

  Absolutely. That's absolutely right. It's, it's um.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  So you were buying those shoes, you thought you were an international sexy spy.

• 8:14Speaker 03

  Yeah. All male fashion.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  And Hannah fell for it.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  She did. She thought, here's a guy who's.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  And then, you know, you've had a baby with her and uh, got it, Hannah.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, she, she got completely.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  Joke's on you, love.

• 8:27Speaker 03

  Got completely the wrong idea.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. You fooled her. Good for you.

• 8:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. I was like a spy in as much as I was lying to her.

• 8:37Speaker 05

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  Up and down.

• 8:46Speaker 05

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• 8:52Speaker 02

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• 9:16Speaker 03

  We are also calling fact check.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  Sorry. Let's spoil it a little bit there.

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  You didn't spoil it.

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• 9:48Speaker 04

  Yep, yep. So there's some Spotify videos up on there. I think we're, I think we're drip feeding them. I'm not in charge of that side of things. I can't say for sure. I think we'll have some more coming up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  All right. Um, but it doesn't matter as well because

• 10:02Speaker 04

  They're all on YouTube.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  Do people watch stuff? Well, I don't want to say that.

• 10:07Speaker 03

  I imagine.

• 10:07Speaker 02

  I was about to say, do people watch stuff on Spotify? But I don't want to bite the hands that feed me. No, of course they do. We've not got our fingers on the knob of youth, have we?

• 10:16Speaker 03

  No, we haven't.

• 10:17Speaker 02

  That's part of it. That's part of it.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  I always think that the, the, the stage of life that I'm in, I kind of term it post-youth. I don't think I'm old. I don't think they'd be crazy. And it kind of annoys me the kind of, the, the, the sort of, there's a bit of a trope of men who are about my age being like, oh God, I'm so old. And I'm like, well, all right. But like, it's not, it's a bit boring after a while. Like, you're not old. You're not 90.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  I've just sort of leant into, like I was.

• 10:44Speaker 03

  I'm pretty comfortable being 32.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  I think we've always, me, you and it's, and Blake and Bird. We've never been party animals.

• 10:56Speaker 03

  No.

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Or, I don't know, man. Like, we never, we never, we were never excited about being young. Even when we were like in our twenties, we were like, and we were making, like, we'd go to. Where were we making that first film? Where was it? Magaluf?

• 11:11Speaker 03

  Magaluf. And we shot something in Malia as well. Mallorca.

• 11:15Speaker 02

  We went to Mallorca, right? And it was like, oh, we're making it in Magaluf. And then Bird would be like, oh, I've arranged for, we're gonna go to a vineyard at the weekend and stuff like that. We were like, fucking brilliant. Yeah, amazing. Yeah, great.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, we, yeah.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Like, we've always been that sort of

• 11:32Speaker 03

  Completely.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  like person already.

• 11:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:35Speaker 02

  Like before we were, like, while we were twenty three or whatever.

• 11:47Speaker 00

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• 13:25Speaker 02

  Bird, like Simon Bird. When Simon Bird, who's super bright, right? He's super intelligent, Simon Bird, isn't he? Really, really clever boy. And, um, and he, when we were doing,

• 13:38Speaker 02

  when we were doing the first series of The Inbetweeners, he, he'd spent a few years at college at that point, at university at that point. And then The Inbetweeners took off and Simon Bird's really great. And obviously what he's doing is what he should be doing. Like, he's really good at it. Um, but he is very well educated, Cambridge. And he'd, he was, what was he doing? English philosophy or something like that? Was that right?

• 14:07Speaker 03

  He was doing a PhD in, well,

• 14:13Speaker 03

  something in the kind of cultural criticism area. Sort of like, basically, English literature.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Right. But he was, um, but he's super bright. Like, he's super intelligent and he's like, and he's also very, very funny. Um, so he had options, Bird. Like, he had, he had the world at his feet. At one point, he could have gone whatever direction he wanted to go to.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  And, um, people like him, whatever they decide to do, they'll be like super successful. Like, because I know he's doing a lot of directing at the moment.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:45Speaker 02

  I'd love to work with Bird, with him as my director. Because I just think his instincts and his.

• 14:52Speaker 03

  And he gets you.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  And his knowledge. I think you, I would, I would just go, if he said to me, I think you should do it like this, I'd go, yeah. No, I'll do it like that.

• 14:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Um, but he, he was this close. And I'm, for people listening, I'm, I'm doing that thing where I'm holding my thumb and my finger quite close together. To getting his doctorate.

• 15:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  Um, but he sort of dropped out and he was like, oh, do you know what? I think this Inbetweeners thing is taking off and I might just sort of pursue that.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  But I love, I would have loved if he'd have got that doctorate. And then when we were doing the film and stuff like that and the credits come up and it said Dr. Simon Bird. It would have been amazing. It would have been brilliant. It would have been absolutely brilliant.

• 15:33Speaker 03

  Reverend Joe Thomas.

• 15:36Speaker 02

  But just, just finishing your doctorate, just for that joke alone, I think would have been well worth it.

• 15:42Speaker 03

  I imagine there's people out there with PhDs who think they got less out of it than that. I think this is actually genuine, I think the proportion.

• 15:54Speaker 03

  Let me get this right, the proportion of unemployed people with PhDs is higher than the proportion of employed people with PhDs.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  Right. There's more people, there's more PhD.

• 16:10Speaker 03

  The percent, so you got all the unemployed people and you got all the employed people and you said, what percentage of both groups have got PhDs? There would be a higher proportion in the unemployed group.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  You put yourself in a weird position really, didn't you? Because it's like, I suppose it's like me and you in that there are genuinely.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  You know, if I wanted to, like I could be acting every week, maybe. Why are you laughing? Why is that funny? No, no, no. But, but I won't get offered those roles because it's like, oh, it's a scene in a TV. It's just one scene in this TV show.

• 16:57Speaker 03

  Are you talking about being overqualified?

• 16:58Speaker 02

  So I'm sort of overqualified for that, but underqualified for doing most other things. So you find yourself in this sort of limbo of like, I don't know, with people with PhDs, they're not gonna. I don't know, like I don't want to be derogatory, but they're not going to wash your car. But also there's only so many jobs for someone with your qualifications.

• 17:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:27Speaker 02

  And I do, I find myself in that situation where I'm not gonna.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna say two lines in EastEnders, for example, but the kind of work that I do, I'm not big enough or good enough to do it. So, or, you know, or have the experience to sort of. I mean, I did a film a couple of years ago, I did a film that I starred in. And even when I was doing it, and it was a British film and stuff, and it wasn't like a big film or anything, but even when I was doing it, I was like. I don't think I've, I don't think I'm the guy to carry a film. I don't think I'm the, the, the star of the film. I think I'm the star's mate who's quite funny.

• 18:14Speaker 02

  Like, that's where I can sort of shine. I don't think you could put a film on my shoulders.

• 18:19Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm one of four mates, I think. That's what, that's what I think. Like, I'm, I'm. Yeah, no, I know, I, I know what you mean. Well, no, I did, I did fool with the festival, remember that?

• 18:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:29Speaker 03

  And I was basically like, where are the other three? When are they, when are they getting here? And it was a bit weird having to be like, oh, is it just, it was like playing five-a-side and your team hasn't turned up. And you're like, oh, God, can the ref play?

• 18:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:44Speaker 03

  I mean.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  That was, what was that? Like, I've heard, I've heard it was awful to make that film. Not awful in the sense that.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  It was really just a make.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Difficult.

• 18:51Speaker 03

  Obviously, also brilliant other actors in it, I should say, like, amazing other actors. But like, yeah, it's, um.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  Cause you shot at the week, at a week, you spent a weekend at a festival, is that right?

• 19:02Speaker 03

  We shot, yeah, we shot a festival and also at Leeds. The festival stuff was really stressful because.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  But it doesn't work unless you can like, unless you've got like a budget of fifty million pounds where you can set up a festival.

• 19:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:19Speaker 02

  And go, right, all these people are extras.

• 19:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  Whereas what, what you guys were trying to do was to just piggyback an actual festival that was going on.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  And make a fucking film around that.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  We were trying to get the crowd to do acting at Leeds.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  I had to, we, they, they sent me out on stage to try and, um. It was actually too fair, I wasn't a lot, it was me and a guy called James Gill, who's a, a friend of Ian, very nice man, a, a promoter and a stand-up. And we went out.

• 19:58Speaker 03

  And we were so terrified, like we were just like, I don't want to, please don't go out there. Please don't make me go out there. I just don't want to do it.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  Obviously you said yes, because you.

• 20:05Speaker 03

  Of course I said yeah, because I famously I'm not.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  You don't, you've never said no. The boy that never said no.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  Was ever a no. Yeah, it's amazing I'm not.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  Children's book about that. It's like the opposite of a boy who cried wolf. The boy, the boy who never said no.

• 20:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  And what, and what situations he got into.

• 20:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, but yeah, it was, um.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  But making films is, is like, it is stressful. It is sort of, you know, there's, there's more, there's more stressful. At the end of the day, just trying to make a fucking film. It's not life or death. But when you're in that bubble and you're like, fucking hell, we've got to get this done, otherwise we're not going to have anything to show the people that have put money into this film, that we've got a product.

• 20:49Speaker 03

  And they told me they, they needed this shot of, of the crowd all doing this particular hand movement.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Which was something to do with, it was like the DJ's signature move or something. They had to do that or something.

• 21:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:01Speaker 03

  And it was my job to go out and get them to do it.

• 21:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. You're not a hype man, are you, Joe?

• 21:05Speaker 03

  I'm not really a hype man, am I? No. Right. Everyone on this side. I've only got one idea for hype, which is, right, I'm going to draw an imaginary line down the middle of the crowd.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  And I want everyone on this side to go, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. And I want everyone on this side to go, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee. And.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  All the, all the ladies now.

• 21:26Speaker 03

  All the ladies now. Yeah.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Oh, what about the guys? Can you do better than that?

• 21:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the only idea I've got is they do it. And I'm like, that was absolutely pathetic.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  You can do better than that, Leeds. That's another thing I hate. Little ad, yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 02

  So the thing is.

• 21:42Speaker 03

  That's another thing. But yeah, so let me, sorry, let me say, so basically to conclude, basically, they didn't do it. They were all chanting boner at me.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  Right, of course, yes.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  But that was better than I thought it might have been.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:54Speaker 03

  Because the producer specifically said, like, this was a, a real option. If what happens is that they just start chucking bottles of piss at you.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  We can use that.

• 22:04Speaker 03

  Then you're allowed to come off.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:05Speaker 03

  But also, but also we can use that.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. No, I thought they were gonna, I thought they were gonna go, we can use that.

• 22:09Speaker 03

  Who was the in-betweens? They would have, they would have used that.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Oh, of course, yeah.

• 22:12Speaker 03

  So I went out, they didn't do what I wanted. They were all chanting boner.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  The unlucky thing is.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  But I thought, actually, that's probably a win.

• 22:18Speaker 02

  Is that if you were on stage and they handed you a big novelty cheque, you would have known what to say in that situation, wouldn't you?

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Or, can I take this cheque away? Obviously not in my pocket.

• 22:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, see, you had, you had that, ironically, in the pocket. It was already ready to go.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I did have that in my, yeah.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  Right, JT.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:37Speaker 02

  I do need to present a fact, uh, because I didn't do one in the last episode.

• 22:41Speaker 03

  No, well, as we've discussed, you, you, um, refrained from doing a fact because it was lent.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  I did. I abstained from.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  You abstained, exactly.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  Fact checking. But, uh, this week, we are doing a fact about trees.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  We are indeed.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Uh, because we did mention recently about those two.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 23:01Speaker 02

  Those two nutters that thought it would be really funny to cut down like a really old tree. Which, like, by the way, like, if you've seen, uh, Don't Fuck With Cats on Netflix.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  Like, I don't.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  There are certain things.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  I don't have an opinion about cats, but if I saw someone being cruel to a cat, I'd be like, whoa, man, you're not right.

• 23:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Like, and it's the same with trees. And I think there is a thing in us.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Like, if a tree is hundreds and hundreds of year old, uh, hundreds of years old, you're like, well, don't chop that down.

• 23:34Speaker 03

  No.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Like, keep that, keep that going.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  No.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  So it did, um.

• 23:38Speaker 03

  It was, I was a poor decision by those two chaps, I think.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  They were never gonna get anyone on their side.

• 23:44Speaker 03

  No, I don't.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  They were never gonna get, get anyone going, yeah, fuck the system.

• 23:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, that was the thing, because it had the. Air of a kind of revolutionary act.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  It was a bit sort of anarchist, wasn't it?

• 23:54Speaker 03

  It was a bit anarchist, but.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  Where, where, on the whole, sometimes I'm like, yeah. I'm like, I'm, I'm on board. Yeah. Stick it to the man. Yeah.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. If you put, if you put like a, I'm not, I, I don't think you, maybe you probably, you know, you shouldn't put a, a brick through the window of a bank. But if you did, there would be some people who are like, yeah, fuck the system. Whereas this tree was kind of something that was free to look at for everyone.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  The tree is the system that I want to be involved with. That's the, like, that's, I can get in, on board with the tree. I'd like to think if like, if I was in Boston in the 1700s, I'd be chucking tea in the river, in the sea or whatever.

• 24:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:29Speaker 04

  Oh, I was gonna suggest there, what might be fun is, um, I don't know if you've got maybe other suggestions of things that would sit in that category of like, don't fuck with cats, don't fuck with trees. Is there, is there anything for you?

• 24:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:39Speaker 03

  Anything else?

• 24:40Speaker 02

  Well, this is some, yeah, thank you, Lily May, Queen Lily May. That's something that I genuinely like to know because I'm always in danger of pissing people off. So if you could teach me specifically.

• 24:51Speaker 03

  Things that we can all.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  And Joe a little bit, what shouldn't we ever, you know, slag off? What shouldn't we ever touch?

• 24:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  Just to keep us safe.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  I've got, I've got one.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 25:01Speaker 03

  I don't think anyone should ever beat up, um, Lord David Attenborough.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  Is he a lord? Is that right? He probably is a lord, isn't he?

• 25:09Speaker 02

  Sir, sir, Dave, sir, David.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  Sir.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  I've promoted him further.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Mate, you laid a finger on that man.

• 25:15Speaker 03

  Leave Attenborough alone.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  You're never coming back.

• 25:17Speaker 03

  Leave Attenborough alone.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Like, imagine like, two drunk estate agents that have just come back from a night out and they see David Attenborough in the park, walking through the park and he goes, oh, he's fucking Attenborough. And they're holding a phone and going.

• 25:31Speaker 03

  Leaving B.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  You would not come back from that.

• 25:34Speaker 03

  Uh, tell you what, I'm sure you can have a laugh with him. You, you could put a bit of banter or something. I'm, I'm sure you could have a.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Listen, Attenborough's no fucking.

• 25:40Speaker 03

  I'm sure he's a laugh, but.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  He's no, um, you know, he, he's, he's been in the mill. He's been through the mill.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  What was that thing you were telling me the other day? Was it on the podcast or were you, or were you just talking about?

• 25:52Speaker 03

  Well, he commissioned Monty Python.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  No, no, yeah, he's a legend.

• 25:54Speaker 03

  He used to go out, he used to go out and.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  But didn't he get typhoid or something when he was?

• 25:59Speaker 03

  He used to go. One thing he did was he used, he used to go out and get zoological specimens when he was a little boy. And they were just things that he'd found, and they'd sell them to the zoological museum. I'm mangling this story. There was a zoological museum and he would go and get stuff and he'd sell it to the museum and he'd go, oh, it's a rare plant. And it was always just stuff he'd found like in the garden of the museum.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  Someone was telling me, I feel like it was you.

• 26:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  Someone was telling me like, cause Attenborough's, he's been around for a long time.

• 26:29Speaker 03

  He's been around, yeah.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  That's gonna devastate. I know we never talk about it as a society.

• 26:34Speaker 03

  I know, I know.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  But.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  I know.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  We've not got long until that bombshell drops on all of us and that is gonna ruin.

• 26:43Speaker 03

  I know.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Someone was telling me about how he would go on those first expeditions as a young man in the early days. Making these documentaries and stuff, it would be by boat, more often than not. And I think he got like typhoid and like, he had all kinds of shit thrown at him, but he was fucking, he wore it. He was just like, yeah, this is part of the job.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  He's nails mate.

• 27:04Speaker 02

  He's not, yeah, he's not, he's tough, tough as old boots is Attenborough. Um.

• 27:10Speaker 03

  Okay, so that's one.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  But yeah, you can't, you can't, can't have a go on At- At- Attenborough. Yeah.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  You have a go on Attenborough either. Well, maybe, you know, if it's consensual. Then, fine.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  But I don't think, there are things that you cannot touch. That sycamore gap tree was one of them. Those two guys thought it'd be a good idea. Was it two of them? It was two of them, wasn't it?

• 27:36Speaker 03

  It was two, I just don't know.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  I reckon they had all help from other people as well, that they've not been, that they've not been caught up with.

• 27:44Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  But we, we were talking about that, so we decided to do facts about trees. And I do have some interesting facts that I genuinely find interesting. That I don't know is whether it's entertaining or not. I've done my usual thing where I've felt like one fact wasn't good enough. So I've done a bit more little work there and tried to group together a few facts.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  So, fact number one.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  A, a single tree can secretly be an entire forest. There is a tree in Utah called Pando, the Pando tree. And it looks like many trees, it looks like a forest, but it's actually one organism. Every trunk shares the same root system and DNA.

• 28:34Speaker 03

  So.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  That it's one organism.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  That is extraordinary, isn't it?

• 28:38Speaker 02

  And it's a forest. It weighs over six million tonnes, making it one of the heaviest living things on earth. And I, I, I, I think actually that one of the heaviest living, I suppose what you class as one entity.

• 28:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  Is a mushroom, is a fungus. I think.

• 28:58Speaker 03

  Cause it's just one huge.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:00Speaker 03

  Uh, one huge network of mushrooms.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  They're all connected and that's where the sort of the last of us.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  That's the last of us thing, isn't it? It was funny the last of us because it was as though there was a lot of talk, the funguses and mushrooms became, they had a bit of a moment. Like there, there was, there was a thing where people were like, you know, the, the wood wide web and things like this and the idea that.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, the wood, wood wide web came up in my research, actually.

• 29:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I always thought it was as though the, um, it was as though the last of us was saying.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  Be careful.

• 29:37Speaker 03

  Before we get, before we, before we invest fully.

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Before we get carried away with this, this could happen.

• 29:44Speaker 03

  There is a dark side as well. It was like they were sort of saying.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Let's just sound a warning note about all this.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  A hypothetical.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. Before we get completely into bed with these funguses.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Um.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  Let's just.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  Here's another fact for you.

• 29:57Speaker 03

  Word of one.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  Um.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Again, the, I've sort of

• 30:03Speaker 02

  tried to sexify it a little bit to make it more interesting. I've just written here, trees talk to each other now. Obviously they don't. They don't just sit there and have a tune.

• 30:14Speaker 03

  Are you talking about the, um?

• 30:15Speaker 02

  It's not like Lord of the Rings.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  The entmoot. We have decided.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:20Speaker 03

  You are not orcs.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  It's not that. Um, but through underground fungal networks, sometimes called the wood wide web.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  Wood wide web.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  Um, see, uh, trees can send nutrients to sick neighbours.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  That's cool.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  If there's a couple of trees in the forest and they're like, oh Christ, we better help those guys out. They do that.

• 30:44Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 30:44Speaker 02

  They warn each other about insect attacks.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  By insect attacks?

• 30:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  Again, it's not, they're not doing it in a way where they go, where mate, watch out. So they, it's signals that they send through these networks.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  But they also have a little bit of a sort of, I suppose there's a, I'm trying not to hu- humatise them so much to make my facts sound more interesting. But they do favour their own offspring over unrelated trees. So they look after their own, something that's come through from their seed, they'll prioritise those if they are gonna send nutrients and stuff to other trees, they will, they'll prioritise that over those. Um, trees, they can recognise their own children. In, in, in whatever way children are, in whatever concept that is to trees, yeah.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  Tree world.

• 31:49Speaker 02

  Some trees are older than civilisation.

• 31:53Speaker 03

  That is, yeah, yeah. I have seen some stuff about really old trees.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  There's some old trees, there is the bristlecone pine tree. And they're over four thousand eight hundred years old. They were alive before the pyramids, they were alive before written language, before writing was a concept.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  They are amazing, aren't they?

• 32:15Speaker 02

  And, uh, just a quick one, just to chuck one in at the end there, trees do not have a fixed lifespan.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  They don't dry, they don't die of old age, they don't get old and die. It's usually because of fire or disease or humans.

• 32:35Speaker 03

  Well, a couple of, well, a couple of absolute lads who are gonna write their names into history.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Couple of sege, see, uh, see, a couple of tree surgeons.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  Tree surgeons.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  That, um, did, obviously didn't take the Hippocratic oath.

• 32:50Speaker 03

  Pretty good, actually.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 32:53Speaker 03

  Pretty good. Well, those were, that was, that was actually, you spoke with.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  Little medley of facts there about trees.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  You spoke with a lot of reverence there about trees and I wish that somebody like you could have just had a little word to those two fellas.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  I would have.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  Before.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Smack their heads together.

• 33:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Come on, guys.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  Guys, these have been, these are older than.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  And it's also true that the, some of these record breaking trees are the oldest and the tallest.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  How old was the sycamore tree, Queen, Queen Lily May?

• 33:22Speaker 04

  Let me have a little.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  I think it's like pre Hadrian's ball or something daft like that.

• 33:27Speaker 03

  I've seen stuff about trees being four thousand, five thousand years old.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:31Speaker 03

  And they, and, and they keep the location secret. They, they don't want people visiting.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true, yeah. Do you wanna know something really boring about me? That probably shouldn't be put in an entertainment podcast.

• 33:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  One of my, I suppose, bucket list, one of my things that I would genuinely be really excited about and really interested in experiencing is going to see one of those like American redwood trees.

• 34:03Speaker 03

  Hmm, they're amazing.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  That are like, the trunks are like twice the size of a bus or something like that. Like, I would ju- just to be able to see that with my own eyes, I would just, I'd absolutely love that.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 34:15Speaker 02

  I'd find that genuinely really, really exciting. And I don't know what that says about me. I'm not sure.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  I think it's, they are, they are glorious, those.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  But I think, where are they? Oregon or something like that? I think, I could have, I've had opportunities to go and do it. I should have done it.

• 34:30Speaker 04

  And FYI, the sycamore gap tree.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:33Speaker 04

  Aged between a hundred and hundred and twenty years old.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Oh, it's not even that old.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  Well, I don't know.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  I don't know what we're kicking up a fuss about.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:41Speaker 02

  Not that old. Yeah, fell it.

• 34:45Speaker 03

  Chop it down.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  Fell that tree. Let's do a quick little fact check, if anyone's still listening to this podcast. Um, it is time for fact check, where we'll be reading a fact or a question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. And then we're gonna have a good little think during the ad break there and come back to, and let you know how true it feels to us. Um, it comes from James H, who has emailed to say, hey lads, it's two weeks in a row that we've, that, that, that the, uh.

• 35:14Speaker 03

  Hey lads, yeah. That's how we should be.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Absolutely. I'm quite.

• 35:18Speaker 03

  Be addressed.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  I'm quite partial to a Lucas aid every now and again. Yeah, me too.

• 35:22Speaker 03

  No harm in that.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  I'm really into Lucas aid ice kick at the moment.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  I buy it, I get them off of Amazon. I buy twenty four bottles in a go and I keep them in the fridge and they're nice and cool.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  Lucasade Ice Kick.

• 35:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a really good flavour. Do you like a cloudy lemonade?

• 35:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  You'd love this then.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  Okay, that sounds nice.

• 35:43Speaker 04

  Oh, they're like the sport ones.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, Lucasade Sport.

• 35:45Speaker 03

  They're flats, it's flat.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  So, this was the thing, this is quite old Inbetweeners law.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  Where when, before we'd even started shooting and we were doing rehearsals, um, we were, we were let into this world of sort of like, is there anything that you need?

• 36:03Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  There's people around that can get all that stuff for you. And one afternoon during rehearsals, I said, can I get a Lucasade, I, I, can I get a Lucasade Sport?

• 36:15Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  If it's just a normal Lucasade, a fizzy Lucasade, don't worry about it. I'm not interested. Um, but it needs, and I described it as, it needs to be a Lucasade with the nipple cap.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  And that became a little thing on the Inbetweeners set for, for a little while, where James demands Lucasade. And I was trying to describe what I meant by not, because I don't think I said Lucasade Sport. I don't think I was privy to like, the knowledge that Lucasade Sport was different to.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  Is that what it's called, a nipple cap?

• 36:45Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  It's very Freudian, isn't it? So, calling it a nipple cap.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  I don't know if it is called that, but that's the best way I could describe the.

• 36:54Speaker 03

  Okay, well, that's very Freudian as well, that that was the best.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  It's as if you were, like, it's not those, like, it's not got a screw lid.

• 37:00Speaker 03

  I know, you mean, no, it's a very, it's a, it's an evocative and correct description.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  It is a baby's bottle, the, the Lucasade Sport bottles, they are.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  It, it wasn't your fault. They had.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  I was try, I was trying to.

• 37:12Speaker 03

  They had an immature reaction to what was basically a, a, a, not more, a more than adequate descrip- description.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  You did at times test to see what you could get.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  But I was just making fa- like the farce of working on TV and film and just being like, this is mental that you're.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  Oh, fine. Okay. Well, maybe this is.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  So I wasn't doing it to be a bit.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  No, no, I think.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  I was just, it was just a sort of weird.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  Yes, it was, you were satirising how easy it is to get.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Weird experiment in my head. But I was obsessed with, um, how cushy the, the working spa- uh, as an actor, by the way. Not as, as anyone else on a film set.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  Anyone else is really difficult.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  Fucking awful. As an actor, like it is like, and I was just, there was a little period in my life, I was like, what, how far can this go?

• 38:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 38:10Speaker 02

  How far can we take this? There's a little bit in me, there's like, I've had it since school. And it's not a great thing to have in you at all whatsoever, of just being, just being like, how far can I go until I get into trouble?

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  In some ways, it's sort of, um, it's been a benefit in that I think it shaped my career and especially in comedy and stuff like that. Because in comedy, like it is all about how far you can go until you can get into trouble. And I do find the fun in that. I do find it exciting. Um, but luckily enough, it's never been anything sort of serious, too serious, that has either cost me in my life or.

• 38:50Speaker 03

  Well, it strikes, it strikes me that people who've, who've gone insane often are people who don't have the limits that other people normally have. So I was thinking about Howard Hughes, the, the millionaire, or I suppose nowadays he'd be a, maybe even a billionaire, but certainly a, a billionaire, probably multimillionaire back then, who, who got incredibly bad OCD. But he got OCD in a way that.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  See The Plane Guy?

• 39:12Speaker 03

  Plane Guy, yeah. There's a film about him with Leonardo DiCaprio.

• 39:15Speaker 02

  The Avatar, yeah, uh, the Aviator.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  We're good.

• 39:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're good. We're fine, we're fine. But, um, but he, but he had so much money that he was able to indulge.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  On this podcast.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  Like somebody said, uh, this is probably apocryphal, but I think I'm sure it's, this, it was this kind of area that he wants.

• 39:35Speaker 03

  He once didn't want to move out of a hotel room. For some reason, I think because he'd convinced, he would have.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  I think The Simpsons did an episode.

• 39:46Speaker 03

  Oh, right. So he bought the entire hotel. But, but, but it was.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  I think Mr. Burns didn't leave his room or something. He went mad. He was an eccentric billionaire that went mad and let all his nails grow and stuff and didn't come out of the hotel room.

• 39:59Speaker 03

  So if you can afford to, to, to get a plate of food and say, oh, I'm worried it's got some minute contamination. Throw the entire thing away, make me another one. Now I'm worried about this one. Throw the entire thing away, make me another one. I'm still not happy. Throw the entire thing away. Like, most people are gonna run up against their own financial limitations in the end. And that wouldn't, it doesn't mean that they won't get OCD, but it does mean that they would presumably at that point be slightly more likely to think, I've got a bit of a problem here, I need to get treated. But like, if your solution is just, I've got so much money that I can just have really crippling OCD. Then you can probably go further down the line towards genuine insanity than people who do not have. Have to confront it. Yeah. And, and.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  That's another reason why I'm not, why me having a bottomless pit of money would be really bad.

• 40:50Speaker 03

  I don't think it's good for anyone.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Because I do just do stuff to see what happens. We were on holiday with Claire's family and we went shopping one afternoon, picking up some T-shirts and stuff like that. We were in America. We're like, you know, when you go to America, it's like, oh, fucking hell, everything's cheap. Everything's like, we've got to stock up now so we can take you all home. And I watched what my father-in-law was buying. And I saw him buy a specific T-shirt. And then we were going out for dinner later that evening and I saw him put on the T-shirt. And I went, oh, hang on one second. I need to go back and just grab a jumper. And this was in California. It was like, why is he buying, why is he going back to get a jumper? Well, what I quickly did was change my T-shirt to the exact same, because I saw what T-shirt he was buying.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  I'd bought the same one without him knowing. And then I had a zip up hoodie and then we went out for dinner.

• 41:41Speaker 03

  Okay, so you're okay.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  And then we were, I haven't explained this well enough.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  No, I get it.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  We were walking around that evening and then at one point I went, oh, I'm getting a bit warm. So I unzipped my hoodie and just sort of, just followed him around wearing the exact same T-shirts. And by the way, he's not a bloke that enjoys those sort of jokes.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  No.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  He doesn't appreciate those sort of things, but, but just for my own amusement.

• 42:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  Just for my own only. Like, I just thought that'd be really funny and I know it would really annoy him.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  I like that it's almost like you've also kind of boxed yourself in as well, because as I say, it is warm. You haven't got another T-shirt.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I put some.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  You've kind of bound yourself to the mast.

• 42:25Speaker 02

  I suffered for my art.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, you did.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  I was sweating. I was like, but this will, this will pay off.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  This will be brilliant.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  And it did.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  Anyway, James H says, I'm quite partial to a Lucozade every now and again. And my dad has always told me that Lucozade is, or was, as he's quite old, a medicinal drink. Something you'd have, you'd have when you're feeling under the weather. I drink it regardless and I've always thought of it as more of an energy drink than something I'd have when I wasn't feeling well. I need to know if this is true and I thought who better to ask than the fact connoisseurs themselves, Joe and James. Also, what flavour is red Lucozade supposed to be? I need answers. Well, let's go to a quick little break and we'll talk even more about Lucozade.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  After that.

• 43:15Speaker 03

  I like this question. This is a good one.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  Right, break, break time. Have a quick break.

• 43:19Speaker 03

  Break time. It's the time of the day. When we take a break from what we were doing before.

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• 45:15Speaker 02

  During the break there, because I absolutely loved this message from James H., I said I was champing at the bit. And then we were discussing whether it's champing or chomping. And I've never heard... Anyone say either champing or chomping at the bit without there being a discussion afterwards?

• 45:31Speaker 03

  That's funny. That is funny. That is funny.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  Looked it up if that's helpful.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Go on, Queen Lily May.

• 45:38Speaker 04

  So it says here.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  I bet it's gonna say both are acceptable.

• 45:42Speaker 04

  Oh, right. Okay. Basically, champing is the like traditional language. So a star start as champing and that kind of is impatience, restlessness, like a horse eager to run, it says here. But champing soon became chomping because it kind of has a similar meaning and it sounds similar. And that's just what we now use. But originally it was champing.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  What's a bit? Is that the thing that you put in the horse's mouth?

• 46:07Speaker 03

  That's the thing that's in their mouth. Yeah.

• 46:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  I always see those things and I think, I bet they're fucking irritating.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  They don't look comfortable, do they?

• 46:13Speaker 02

  No. Apparently they're fine with it. Apparently they don't give a fuck. But you can't, you can't ask a horse. You can't go, do you care about this?

• 46:21Speaker 03

  Well, they champed it. I mean, does that mean, do they like the champing? Comes down to whether they like champing or not, or chomping.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Before the break, we were just fact checking on behalf of James H, who asked us, is Lucozade medicinal? And what flavour is the original red? Right. So now, first of all, Lucozade is one of those ancient brands. Uh, I'm gonna go 1800s.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  I would say actually, there was always an old bottle of Lucozade at my gran's house. It was a glass bottle with the little, um, like nobbly

• 46:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  bits around the top.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  Now, I don't, I'm gonna take a bit of offence because, um,

• 47:04Speaker 02

  James H said, my dad has always said that Lucozade is, and then he put in brackets, or was, he's quite old, a medicinal drink.

• 47:13Speaker 03

  So you're offended on behalf of the dad because he's been a bit rude to his dad, saying he's old?

• 47:17Speaker 02

  Well, if his dad's old, then I don't know what I am. Because when I was a kid and I was, and I had to take a day off school, primary school or something like that, because I wasn't feeling very well, my mum would buy me a bottle of Lucozade.

• 47:29Speaker 03

  Same here.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Um.

• 47:30Speaker 03

  And it was one of the great joys of being sit home from school.

• 47:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, watching Trisha. And I didn't, I didn't know.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  I don't I don't know what this is about our age.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  We're not that old.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  No, but first of all, I do think it does come from those, uh, I, I think, I think Coca-Cola was the same. Um, Dr. Pepper certainly was.

• 47:55Speaker 03

  Ketchup as well.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  Ketchup, yeah, one of those sort of like.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  Get a bit of.

• 48:00Speaker 02

  Gather round, I'll show you a cure all. You're feeling unwell, you're feeling tired, dun dun dun. Well, I can help you out, sir.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  That sort of thing. Travelling salesman.

• 48:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 02

  Sort of Americana.

• 48:12Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 48:12Speaker 02

  Sort of thing.

• 48:13Speaker 03

  Something of the, something of the snake.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  But I do think Luca, yeah, I do think Lucozade is British. Uh, and I do think it was classed as a medicinal drink. And I will tell you this, uh, there was a boy at my school who was diabetic. And he used to, um, have to have Lucozade tablets every once in a while. And I, and I've never seen them. I haven't seen them for about 20 years.

• 48:36Speaker 03

  I haven't seen them for a while, but.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  But they were, but they were sort of Lucozade tablets with what I assume is glucose.

• 48:42Speaker 03

  I imagine it's a, it's a kind of abbreviation of Glucosade.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Right, there we go.

• 48:47Speaker 03

  Right, because it's just, it's glucose, it's basically sugar. So if you're nauseous and you've got an upset stomach and you can't keep down regular food, but you need to get some kind of energy. Have this, it's got sugar in it.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  If you're looking for a bit of pep.

• 49:03Speaker 03

  Pep.

• 49:04Speaker 02

  Dr. Pepper.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  Dr. Pepper.

• 49:05Speaker 02

  Pepsi.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  Pepsi, yes.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  All these sort of antiquated phrases.

• 49:08Speaker 03

  This is unbelievable. This is like the Da Vinci Code or something.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  It's absolutely amazing.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  Running through history, this, uh, it, it's, the scales are falling from our eyes.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  Because that was it, that was it.

• 49:17Speaker 03

  We see where power is really held and, yeah.

• 49:21Speaker 02

  That's why Buffett is a, is a shareholder of Coca-Cola.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  It all makes sense all of a sudden.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  The earth's flat.

• 49:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  And.

• 49:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, why do you think they built those fucking pyramids, you fucking sheep?

• 49:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, um, again, we are, we are going into Rogan territory and I don't want to step on that guy's toes. Uh, because he just seems quite angry and would beat me up probably. Um, but it would, um. I, I would, uh, yeah, I, it's definitely, I think it started off as a medicinal thing. I, and I think. That there still might be. I wouldn't say it was medicine, but there still might be some actual benefits to Lucozade.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  Um, with energy and, you know, I wouldn't try and, I wouldn't say if you, if you've got cancer or something, I wouldn't say like, drink a load of Lucozade, you'll be all right. But with those sort of, those little common ailments.

• 50:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  I genuinely think that Lucozade could, um, possibly help.

• 50:28Speaker 03

  I think that it's, that it's just that it's a easily digestible form of sugar primarily. Uh, uh, maybe electrolytes, which I think is just.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  Well, that's Lucozade's sport. I don't, I, I, I like, that is what Lucozade's sport is, cause it's not fizzy.

• 50:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  And I think they claim to be sugar free. Um, but it is electrolytes. So sodium, is that right?

• 50:54Speaker 03

  Electrolytes is basically the stuff that you lose if you sweat or you urinate.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  So if you.

• 50:59Speaker 03

  But particularly if you're sweating with sport, you lose all your kind of body salts and stuff, don't you? And then.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  So if you wanna get, um, water to move around your body quicker, you need to have, you need to have a bit of salt in your body to be able to take that around the bloodstream.

• 51:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  I'm talking to someone that doesn't know a fucking thing that they're talking about. Um, but that's where, where electrolytes come in, which I, which I think is sodium. I think that's what. They've rebranded electrolytes. I might be completely wrong.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  No, I, I think it's, I think it's sort of, is it just like salt and sugar dissolved in water essentially? Is that electrolytes?

• 51:34Speaker 02

  But I am gonna, um, I'm gonna go fact.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  Oh, it's, I think it's a fact.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go so fact it hurts.

• 51:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  With that one.

• 51:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  But we haven't actually.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  Cause I've, I've heard a similar thing and that's all you need for a fact. I grew up hearing the same thing. So that makes it a fact.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  Um.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  It's like carrots. You know, carrots make your eyes better. It was only recently, I, I think literally with the last couple of days, where that was propaganda because during rationing.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  There was rations on like coffee and sugar and butter and all the stuff that we need to have a good life and enjoy ourselves in life.

• 52:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:16Speaker 02

  But you could eat as many fucking vegetables as you like. There wasn't a ration on vegetables during during the Second World War. So it was like.

• 52:24Speaker 03

  Well, so you just made up though.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  And and there'd be the blitz and all the lights would go out and stuff like that. So be like, eat more vegetables and that will, you know, that will help you see in the dark.

• 52:33Speaker 03

  Ah, okay. So it was just a.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  There's like those, you know, posters, those wartime posters of like a Tommy in the trenches. And he'd be like, he needs his carrots to be able to see in the dark and stuff like that. And you'd have like young boys and girls going, oh, I wanna be just like them. And I but I don't think there's any actual truth that carrots will make your eyesight better at all. It was just sort of, it was like go to work on an egg, which I'm obsessed about.

• 52:59Speaker 03

  Although, uh, yes, although in the long run, probably vegetables in general are good for you.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  It's like the, it's like the government being your mum and dad.

• 53:08Speaker 03

  It is exactly that.

• 53:09Speaker 02

  And instead of you going, why, why do I have to do this? They're just going, well, it'll make your eyesight better. I don't know, fucking just eat, it's good for you. Just because kids don't, I've got two kids and they don't trust me. They will not fucking trust me at all whatsoever. They need a reason for everything. Like if I go, oh, like that broccoli's good for you. Like, why, why, what, what, what, in what way is it good for you? I have to come up with something. I know it's good for you. I don't actually know why it's good for you. But if you just eat it, it will benefit you. Can you not just trust me on this one? And they'll go, no, I'm not gonna trust you. I need some sort of story or fable to sort of get me, get me through this sort of eating broccoli nonsense.

• 53:50Speaker 03

  My daughter has just started saying why to everything.

• 53:54Speaker 02

  They do, they need to know why.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  Maddening. It also just makes me realize I don't know anything. Like, when she, she always wants to listen to Peppa Pig in the car and I have to connect my phone to the, to the Bluetooth in the car. And she wants to know why the phone isn't on yet if we're in a tunnel. And I just can't explain it. I don't, I don't have the language.

• 54:20Speaker 03

  To ex- to explain.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:23Speaker 03

  What's happening. I'm, I'm literally sort of saying the, there's, there's something in the sky that the phone needs to go up and get to and, and then that will bring the music down out of the sky.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  Back in my day, there was always the, the threat of the slap. So.

• 54:44Speaker 02

  So you just.

• 54:45Speaker 03

  That was a bit of a.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  No, but you know what I mean? You'd just be a bit more obedient. You'd just be a bit like, right, I'll get on with it. I'll crack on.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  What flavour is red Lucozade?

• 54:53Speaker 02

  I don't know what red Lucozade is.

• 54:55Speaker 03

  I don't think it's any flavour. I, I think it's.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  I do know what he's talking about though, because you can also get orange fizzy Lucozade. Um, which I would prefer to the red Lucozade.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  I just thought he meant.

• 55:06Speaker 02

  But that red one, again, like.

• 55:08Speaker 03

  That's old school as well, right?

• 55:08Speaker 02

  I don't know if I'm just

• 55:12Speaker 02

  misremembering or, but yeah, Lucozade was a glass bottle for me in, in the nineties.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. It was a glass bottle with little, um.

• 55:21Speaker 02

  And you could give it back and get like two pence or something.

• 55:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I have quite nostalgic memories of that Lucozade bottle. I, I thought when he said red, I just thought he, I just thought he meant orange.

• 55:30Speaker 02

  No, it's the one with the red cap. No, the, there is an orange Lucozade. It's that sort of.

• 55:34Speaker 03

  Oh, it's orange flavoured. I know what you mean. Yes. It's, it's the, it's the fancy, it's not.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  But there's that, there's that original Lucozade.

• 55:39Speaker 03

  It's non-flavoured. It has a nice taste. It tastes.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:42Speaker 03

  It sort of tastes of its colour somehow.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's got the red cap on it and it's a, it's a ambiguous colour.

• 55:50Speaker 03

  Well, it's a bit like saying what flavour is Coca-Cola. It's not really.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:55Speaker 03

  I suppose when it comes down to it, it's sort of caramel flavour or something. It's, it's caramel, something called caramel, yeah.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  Syrup.

• 56:02Speaker 03

  Um, but, but red Lucozade.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  Can't help you out. I can't, I can't help it with the red Lucozade.

• 56:07Speaker 03

  The best I can come up with there is, is red flavour.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  It's red flavour. It's red flavour.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  And it's a.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  It's like when I get Pringles, I either want green Pringles or blue Pringles.

• 56:17Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 56:17Speaker 02

  I don't say, I can't bring myself to say. What is it sour cream?

• 56:22Speaker 04

  Sour cream and onion.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's too much. I'll just say green.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  What Pringles do you want? Green? Give me green Pringles.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  Um.

• 56:29Speaker 03

  Saying all that.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  But I there is definitely, there is definitely, definitely, definitely. Before even Queen Lily May gives her, her ruling. There is definitely um roots of Lucozade being, being a medicinal, a tonic, some sort of tonic.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  Fact.

• 56:49Speaker 03

  Fact.

• 56:50Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 56:52Speaker 04

  So uh its roots is with Lucozade, which is how it was originally invented, as you, as you mentioned.

• 56:58Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 56:59Speaker 04

  Um and it was invented in, let's, let me double check that date, actually, in, in nineteen twenty seven.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  Oh, it's much later than I thought it was gonna be.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  Later than we thought, but.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  Carry on.

• 57:11Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 57:11Speaker 03

  Ninety nine years ago.

• 57:14Speaker 04

  Fair play.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, good. Fucking hell.

• 57:17Speaker 04

  Um it was sold as a health drink originally for kids. And basically, the health benefit of it was the kids who were nil to, nil by mouth, I believe the phrase was.

• 57:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:27Speaker 04

  So couldn't eat or drink or whatever. Uh they were given Glu- Lucozade as their medicine, essentially.

• 57:33Speaker 02

  I was nil by mouth uh once when I was a kid.

• 57:37Speaker 04

  Were you getting Lucozade?

• 57:38Speaker 02

  No, I had Smash.

• 57:40Speaker 04

  The.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  Really um watery Smash. Smash potato.

• 57:45Speaker 03

  Smash.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'd had um stitches put in my mouth. I'd cut my, I'd cut my gum up. I'd had an accident. I'd, I'd.

• 57:53Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  Like the whole of my gum. I'd have like these stitches put in my gum. For a couple of weeks, I couldn't like really eat solid food. So.

• 58:01Speaker 03

  Really watery Smash.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  I had sort of quite watered down Smash potato. I loved it. I still love it to this day. Love Smash.

• 58:08Speaker 04

  Well, as an alternative to Smash, Lucozade was used. And that's how it has his, its health um associations. And it was also created by a chemist from Newcastle. Um so that's where it comes from. It was then later, I think in the eighties, rebranded.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  That's right. For sports and stuff like that.

• 58:24Speaker 04

  And that's now why we have sports associations with it.

• 58:26Speaker 02

  Do you know what? I've actually gone down a little Wikipedia rabbit hole and I've got, I've been on the Lucozade Wikipedia page and read all that in the past.

• 58:35Speaker 03

  There was an advert with John Barnes when I was a kid where he used to say, it gets to your thirst fast.

• 58:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 58:43Speaker 03

  It was he come out from playing football, he was all like, he was knackered.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  Well, he's the England man.

• 58:49Speaker 03

  He was knackered.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  You can't, you can't catch him, catch him if you can.

• 58:53Speaker 03

  But honestly, he, he was, he was hanging, like he was, he left it all out.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  He'd been on the piss the night before.

• 59:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, no hangover, yeah.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  John Barnes. So that, that was fact.

• 59:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, so well, I was just gonna follow up with the fact that the main sort of medicinal or sort of health benefit is the glucose that's in it. So it doesn't technically have any health benefits, but sugar can give you a boost, can give you pep, like you say. And that tends to be what is sort of seen as medicinal. So it's not technically medicinal.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 59:25Speaker 04

  But there is a purpose to it that will make you feel better for a temporary period of time.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you're, if you're a little bit under the weather, if you're a little bit, and you need a bit, and you're lethargic and you need a bit of energy and you're little, little bottle of luke, so it's all you're right at.

• 59:37Speaker 04

  And the red flavour is technically like a citrus flavour.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  Citrus.

• 59:42Speaker 03

  Vaguely citrus.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  The Queen and the, the government both agree that that is fact. Thank you very much, James H.

• 59:52Speaker 04

  And are we confirming so, so fact it hurts? Because then I can pop a little jingle there.

• 59:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, we are, so fact it hurts.

• 59:56Speaker 02

  It was definitely so fact it hurts.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Right, whatever you're doing, stop it right now because Joe is about to hit us with a fact about trees.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  Right, so I have a fact about trees being chopped down. So we spoke about the, um, the, the Sycamore Gap.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  Those guys. We should learn their names, shouldn't we? I mean, we've already been told, the Queen or the mayor has told us their names.

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  Sycamore Gap guys. Uh, so, but maybe the only mistake that they made was that they did not.

• 1:00:34Speaker 03

  Benefit financially from chopping the tree down, because it turns out that back in the day, if you chop trees down, it was just kind of an acceptable way of just showing people the tree. So in the 19th century in America, if they find a really, really big tree,

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  Yeah.

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  They'd think, oh, more people should see this tree.

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  Let's chop it down and we'll take it around.

• 1:00:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  We'll tour it.

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  So there's a famous one in, I believe, 1853 called the Discovery Tree. It was uh chopped down.

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  I think I've seen a picture of this.

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  They held a dance party on the stump. They, they were, the stump was so huge, they could, they could have, they could have a kind of ball on the, on the stump.

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  Let me know if this is, if I'm wrong, Joe, but is there a cross section of that tree in a museum somewhere in America?

• 1:01:24Speaker 03

  Well, there may be a cross section.

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  They've literally like, the tree is like so massive and then they've written like, Jesus born here.

• 1:01:32Speaker 03

  Hmm.

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  Like way after the tree.

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  It might not be, it might not be this tree because what happened to this tree is that having taken it to a sort of local show to be shown off.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  And then to New York to be shown off again.

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  That's where you've got to go, baby.

• 1:01:48Speaker 03

  They managed to somehow just burn the whole thing in a fire.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  Right. They didn't shove it up the Kaiser's arse or something.

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, that, they might as well have done because it's not here anymore because so kind of clumsy as well.

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  It burnt for four years.

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they didn't even, so they chopped it down, didn't even take care of it.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  So I did two shows with it. They're like, oh, oh, we've burnt it down.

• 1:02:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, that's it. Again, we're feeding back into that thing that you said. It was just sort of like, oh, don't worry about the past.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  Let's not worry about records or things like that.

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  Yes, I think, I really think there was, uh, the, the lack of care paid to the natural world and indeed the manmade world, if it was a bit old, I think we'd be really startled by it now.

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  I think you've got to remember.

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  And it makes you realise how much of an achievement it is to introduce laws where you actually do have to protect nature.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's absolutely amazing.

• 1:02:48Speaker 03

  And actually, people always assume that.

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  That kind of legislation has sort of always been there and

• 1:02:55Speaker 02

  No, no.

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  But as soon as laws, as soon as laws become embedded in, people assume they've always been there. But actually, it would have taken general, like genuine effort to try and bring in a culture where people didn't just see a big tree and go, oh, I'll buy that for myself and then chop it down and then I'll take it on the road so people can look at it.

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  The fact that our attitudes are like, have changed so much.

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  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  Like you're talking 150 years ago.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  It's not a long time.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  Even 150 years ago, what, there was still whaling?

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  Yeah.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  You know, they were just, because they were just like, there's fucking loads of them.

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  There's loads of these whales and they, and they've got some good oil in them. We'll just take those and even light our candles or whatever. What did they do with whale oil? I don't even know.

• 1:03:37Speaker 03

  They made, um, yeah, there, there was a

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  Paraffin or something.

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  There was a, they made cooking, yeah, oil for burning, basically.

• 1:03:46Speaker 02

  So, but it was, but you can't blame them because they were just like, it's an abundance. This is the world. We've got just, there's a never ending, uh, you know, there's not, there's not a finite number on these whales.

• 1:03:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:59Speaker 02

  And then you start to realise, you go, oh, there's only a couple left.

• 1:04:03Speaker 03

  Oh, no, but no, no doubt it was treated as though it was just, uh.

• 1:04:08Speaker 02

  And I think that brings us back to our, our mate, old, um, old Dave, Dave Attenborough.

• 1:04:13Speaker 03

  Dave Attenborough, yeah.

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  Which I was slagging off, um, a couple of weeks ago, saying how he used to depress me. Our, every one of his absolutely brilliant and incredible, like, listen, if there's, I don't think there's, I don't think there's a greater broadcaster and documentary maker than David Attenborough. I think he's just, he's absolutely amazing. And even from my very young age, when he would do those, like the last 10 minutes of every one of his shows, it was spent on being told, come on, we should. I, it is having an effect. It is having an effect. We all know, we all know what we shouldn't, shouldn't be doing and we all try our best not to destroy as much anymore.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  And the thing about, you know, there's, there's sometimes, we're often told.

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  That we should sort of not be political, but you know, 150 years ago, whenever that story was, was it 1853? I mean, if it wasn't for sort of political people, you know, still have slavery. You know, if, if, if you'd, there would still be, there would still be slaves in America if it wasn't for people who didn't stick to polit-, uh, stay out of politics or like stay in their lane or whatever. So, yeah.

• 1:05:27Speaker 02

  Do you know about, um, oh, what's his name? I'm gonna forget his name now. This is gonna be really bad. Is it James Brown? No, not James Brown.

• 1:05:34Speaker 03

  John Brown.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  John Brown.

• 1:05:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. They're different songs. Yeah. Yeah. John Brown's body lies in the mud. And that's John Brown.

• 1:05:43Speaker 02

  But John Brown, he's someone that, um, fascinates me because he was, um, you know, depends on what angle you want to take from. I had come from the angle of like, he's a fucking badass.

• 1:05:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:58Speaker 02

  Cool dude. Um, but yeah, we'll get, maybe we'll get into that. Maybe we'll do some John Brown facts.

• 1:06:04Speaker 03

  We should do some John Brown stuff.

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  If you don't know who John Brown is, go and check him out.

• 1:06:07Speaker 03

  He was a legend, I think.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Absolutely brilliant. Um, right. We, on that bombshell, we need to wrap up here. Um, we'll be back next week, armed with more facts, chats and tree saps.

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  Nice.

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  Better than last week.

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  A return to form.

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  Brilliant. Right back on top there.

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  Make sure it stays at that level, please.

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  Yeah.

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