Acting with Ants

This Week Joe Thomas and James Buckley talk Australian beer, The Emu Wars and what it was like acting with ants for The Inbetweeners Movie. Plus this week the Fact Boys ATTEMPT to tackle the damage from 'Blue Monday' with some facts ‘to cheer you up’ and a motivational message! GET IN TOUCH: Whatsapp us - wa.me/447822034330 http://wa.me/447822034330 Fill in our Fact Up Form - https://forms.gle/uzF6XWPqaA5aNTtN7 Subscribe on Youtube - www.youtube.com/@JoeandJamesPod/videos http://www.youtube.com/@JoeandJamesPod/videos Follow us on Instagram - www.instagram.com/joeandjamespod http://www.instagram.com/joeandjamespod Follow us on TikTok - www.tiktok.com/@joeandjamespod http://www.tiktok.com/@joeandjamespod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 1:03Speaker 02

  Before we get started, you know, we like to talk for hours on end before we actually get to... I just want to bring up that it's Pete's birthday of recording, the day of recording.

• 1:13Speaker 03

  Oh, happy birthday, mate.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  Now, listen, love Pete, he's great. Got nothing bad to... I mean, I don't know him that well, but he's... To be honest, I don't want to...

• 1:25Speaker 03

  I think it's too early to say.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe.

• 1:27Speaker 03

  He could be a...

• 1:27Speaker 02

  But he's... Exactly, I don't know what he does in his private life, but as far as I'm aware, as far as I'm aware, he's a great guy.

• 1:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  It's his birthday today. How was I supposed to know it was his birthday today? How would I have known it was his birthday today? Katie does that thing that makes everyone look bad in the WhatsApp group, where she just goes, "Happy birthday, Pete."

• 1:49Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  And I go, "Well, I can't say it now because I just look like..."

• 1:53Speaker 03

  When someone does that, I just put, you know, the two lines, like the ditto.

• 1:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:57Speaker 03

  It's like, just that.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:59Speaker 03

  Same as.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  What's that? Right.

• 2:00Speaker 03

  James is right that it does make everyone else look bad.

• 2:04Speaker 03

  Oh, Christ.

• 2:07Speaker 04

  That's true, though.

• 2:08Speaker 03

  God. That was, that was last week.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  The thing.

• 2:12Speaker 03

  Are we still, are we still talking about that?

• 2:14Speaker 02

  The thing you won't know, Joe.

• 2:15Speaker 03

  Hell, it looks good, doesn't it?

• 2:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, it does look good. The thing you won't know, Joe, is that I was also a few minutes late anyway.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Um, because I had to, I had an emergency. I had to go and get some lip balm.

• 2:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I saw that on the WhatsApp group as well, when I finally, actually, I read it about five minutes.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  But I was like, I was halfway, I was halfway writing, "Oh yeah, happy birthday, Pete." But I just didn't bother, because I was just like, well.

• 2:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're just, I, I, you know what?

• 2:42Speaker 02

  You've made us, you've made us all look bad. You just, and you made Lily, Lily May, I assume, did you text him privately?

• 2:48Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, yeah. And also.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  You're fine, you're covered.

• 2:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, but what I will say is, and this might not help, but he actually did say he wasn't coming to this record because it was his birthday in our last record, but that was a little while ago.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  All right.

• 3:02Speaker 03

  You can't, just, you can't expect people to pick up on it.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  I can't remember everything.

• 3:06Speaker 03

  That, that just, that's just, come on, man.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  That's annoying, Lily May, I'll be honest with you, because my whole argument was, was how the fuck am I supposed to know it's the guy's birthday?

• 3:15Speaker 04

  I know, I know, and I've made it worse.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  He did tell us.

• 3:18Speaker 04

  He did say, yeah.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  Right, so that's how I should have known.

• 3:20Speaker 03

  And that's why he's not here.

• 3:21Speaker 04

  And that's why he's not here, yeah.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  So this episode is dedicated to our exec, executive producer, Pete, uh, who it's his birthday today, who did tell me it was his birthday.

• 3:33Speaker 03

  But not in a.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  But I forgot.

• 3:35Speaker 03

  Not in a way that anyone can.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  He needs to remind me the day before.

• 3:37Speaker 03

  Remind me the day before.

• 3:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:41Speaker 02

  Well, it needs to be there and then. Stuff like that you get cancelled about. Like, he never remembered a birthday, he was a piece of shit. I'm not gonna have a leg to stand on.

• 3:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  In 10 years' time, I can't just go, "Well, I don't, I don't remember it that way." That's always the excuse, isn't it?

• 3:59Speaker 03

  You can't, um, yeah.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  "I did not to my recollection."

• 4:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  What are we doing, Joe?

• 4:07Speaker 03

  Hold on.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  What are we doing? Hey, this is a podcast.

• 4:10Speaker 03

  Welcome to, no, not yet.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  No.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 4:19Speaker 02

  This is a podcast, it's called Joe and James Fact Up.

• 4:28Speaker 03

  It's about facts, isn't it?

• 4:29Speaker 02

  I'm James, you're Joe. And each week we'll be bringing one or another fact that we deem interesting. I didn't bring one last week.

• 4:35Speaker 03

  Didn't have one to go. Can't be expected to.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  Soz, sozoz. And our policy is the more interesting, the more interesting, the more true it is. I hate that, by the way. Sozoz.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  I know.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  No one will know what we're talking about. No one will know what we're talking about till, anyway, the Inbetweeners poster. Yeah, what's it called? A log line or a, or a hook line or something like that or a?

• 5:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, what do you call it?

• 5:03Speaker 02

  Tagline, yeah, something like that. So it was like the Inbetweeners two. Sozoz.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  I don't know, who okayed that? It wouldn't have been the boy, it wouldn't have been Ian or Damon.

• 5:15Speaker 03

  I didn't really like it either.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  Ian and Damon wouldn't have gone for that.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  It's far too much about Australia. Like just, you can't just go, oh, it's in Australia.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  There you go. So.

• 5:25Speaker 02

  Sozoz.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  It's, I just, yeah, it's not. The point is not really that it's in Australia.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  And if you're trying to lean on that.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  I just think you'd, and I'm not, it's constantly expressed in Australia. I'm just saying that like, it's not.

• 5:43Speaker 03

  It's beside the point. It's, yeah.

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Well, soz, soz is a, is a, is a complete irony.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Wrapped up in itself. It's the enigma of ironies. Because if you're apologising and you say the word soz.

• 5:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  I'd spit in your face.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  I'd say that's not an apology, mate.

• 6:04Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, sorry. Oh, sorry. Oh, no. Anyway.

• 6:09Speaker 03

  It's, um.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Anyway, listen, we're, we'll also be digging into the weird things that you'd like to think are true. But you can't be asked to research yourself in a segment that we're calling Fact Check. And we are. We also don't research those facts, but we are the arbiters. Arbiters?

• 6:28Speaker 04

  Arbiters?

• 6:29Speaker 02

  Arbiters. We decide whether it's true or not.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  Gatekeepers.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  Just from our gut.

• 6:35Speaker 02

  So if you want to send some facts in for me and Joe, our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com. You can also WhatsApp us on 07822 034 330. You can follow us on our socials, joeandjamespod, at joeandjamespod. And you can watch all our episodes on YouTube. Just joe and james fact up, you'll find it. Now, let's get fact up. Little song.

• 7:09Speaker 03

  How are you, James?

• 7:10Speaker 02

  How am I?

• 7:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, go on.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  I'm okay. I'm all right.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  I'm all right. I'm, I'm, I'm.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  You've got your beer and your lip balm there.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  I've got, I've got beer, I've got lip balm.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  Beer in one hand, lip balm in the other.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  I'm good. I'm a beer.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  The modern gentleman.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  The beer's starting to kick in.

• 7:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  For me a little bit.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  That's all right.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  I'm getting a little bit, you're a little bit blurry.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  That's okay.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  And I'm not even drunk that much, to be honest, but I've not eaten a single thing all day. But that's part, that's part of my process. If I eat, if I'm going out and I know I'm going to the pub, I don't eat all day.

• 7:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, because it helps to control the calories.

• 7:44Speaker 02

  I'll go to the pub and I won't get drunk. And I'd have, and I'd have organised a cab and everything like that.

• 7:50Speaker 03

  I see.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  And I was like, I could have just driven.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  No, you can't say that.

• 7:54Speaker 03

  Five and drive, isn't it?

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Five and drive, that's.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  It's just a saying.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  Put that on a t-shirt.

• 8:00Speaker 03

  That's just a saying.

• 8:01Speaker 02

  When are we going to do some merch?

• 8:02Speaker 03

  They reduced it, haven't they?

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Are we at the level where we can do some merch?

• 8:04Speaker 04

  I can look into it.

• 8:04Speaker 02

  It's less than one, mate. One pint, I'll tell you, one pint's more than one unit.

• 8:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I liked it when we were in Australia, when we asked that waitress, like, what are the, what are the drink driving rules in Australia? And she was like, yeah, I think you're meant to have like, one in the first, you're meant to have two in the first hour. And then you're meant to have one in the second hour, and then you're meant to have one in the third, and then you just keep having one every hour.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, one every hour is fine.

• 8:28Speaker 03

  She was saying that was the minimum.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  By the way.

• 8:29Speaker 03

  She was like, yeah, but that or more.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  That was two, um, waiters, waitresses, we don't, we, me and you asked two different people.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  They used to have machines in the toilet where you could blow into it. And then it went either green, you're fine, red, you're not fine, or orange. Give it a go.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  It was only because where we were.

• 8:46Speaker 03

  Orange was basically man up.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  Essentially.

• 8:49Speaker 02

  Where we were in Australia, it was that just, I, and. Right, I love Australia. And here's one of the reasons I do love Australia. But I don't know if this can get me in trouble or not. They're just quite relaxed. They're quite chilled out. They're quite laid back.

• 9:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  That applies to drinking as well.

• 9:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  So we were like, oh, I do wanna have a beer with lunch. Like we had, we went, we drove into Melbourne that day, didn't we?

• 9:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  And we were like, well, have a nice little, like, the other boys were doing something. We had a day off.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  And I had, I hired a car, didn't I?

• 9:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  So we thought, oh, we'll go on a little drive. We'll have a, we had that lovely mill by the river, wasn't it?

• 9:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, by the water.

• 9:30Speaker 02

  And, um.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  On a decking.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  I do wanna beer, but we do, but I do have, we've got a bit of a drive back.

• 9:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Uh, and it was just sort of like, everyone I asked was like, oh, you're fine, mate. Don't worry about it.

• 9:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:44Speaker 02

  So you can have one beer now. And then it's just one beer every hour. And I was like, so if you're on like a 12 hour sesh.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  You can have 12 pints.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  As long as I spread 12 pints over 12 hours, I can, I can jump back in the car. It just felt very wishy washy.

• 10:01Speaker 03

  It feels a little bit sloppy, doesn't it? It feels like, it hasn't, it's a bit wobbly, isn't it?

• 10:07Speaker 02

  And also, to be fair, the beer I was drinking was Forex, which isn't, which isn't particularly strong.

• 10:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  They're very tribal about their beer.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  Because we were, we were in, where were we? I can't remember which is which, actually. We were in Victoria for a bit.

• 10:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:23Speaker 02

  And then I think we went a bit north up to, what's that place that I hated?

• 10:30Speaker 02

  The hippie place.

• 10:31Speaker 03

  Oh, Byron Bay?

• 10:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, we went there. Everyone else loved Byron Bay. I was just like, fucking get a job.

• 10:38Speaker 02

  Get yourself a job, get a mortgage and fucking get on board with the rest of the planet.

• 10:42Speaker 03

  Well, they're they're renting their, you know, huts out to us.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  That was their job.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Well, we would, we we stayed in a place, uh, our hotel was next to um a lovely little park that was called Needle Park. I was just like, they sank my vibe, man. This is not me.

• 10:58Speaker 03

  Yes, there was quite um, there's quite a big overlap with the, the drug world.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:03Speaker 03

  I'd say, and I'd say the overlap was 100%.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, but depending where you are, I think Forex is okay, but in certain places of Australia, you've got to drink VB or you get.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, when I was in Perth.

• 11:15Speaker 02

  I suppose, I suppose Victoria, actually. What, what, what does VB stand for?

• 11:19Speaker 03

  Victoria Bitter.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 11:20Speaker 03

  When I was in Perth, am I got you?

• 11:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:24Speaker 03

  There was VB and EB.

• 11:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  Emu bitter.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  Emu bitter?

• 11:28Speaker 03

  Neither of them are bitters, by the way. They're not bitter, they're lagers.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  The famous Emu war.

• 11:33Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  Do you know about, do you not know about the Emu war?

• 11:35Speaker 03

  No.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Australia declared war on emus. It was just after the First World War. They um, there was a.

• 11:42Speaker 03

  They were using water to everything by that point.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  There was a terrible problem. It was a massive farce. There was an awful, awful problem. I can't remember the name of the politician that was like, because there was a load of farmers going, there's, emus are fucking up everything here, right?

• 11:57Speaker 03

  And it is a serious problem if your crops are being eaten.

• 11:59Speaker 02

  And there was one politician that um, uh, Lily May, find out, just type in Google, Emu wars politician. There was one guy that was like, no, I'm going to stick up for the farmers here. I'm going to take this to Parliament or whatever they do and go, we need to do something. So they did, they called in the army.

• 12:18Speaker 03

  Right.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  They got a couple of um, machine guns, uh, and this is post world war. So that's like pretty fairly new.

• 12:27Speaker 03

  New tech.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  New tech, right?

• 12:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  And they were like, don't you worry, the army's gonna turn up, we're gonna mow these emus down. And um, they would spray them with bullets and stuff, all these emus and everything. They'd be lucky if they killed one.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  No way.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  It it was a war that the emus won, essentially. They lost the war against the emus. This politician had to resign and all sorts and was ridiculed for years and years and years.

• 12:56Speaker 04

  Sir George Pearce.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  Sir George Pearce, right, yeah.

• 12:59Speaker 03

  Did he have to surrender to the?

• 13:02Speaker 02

  They had to surrender to the emus.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  The emus, like, sign there.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  There was one bloke, there was one soldier, one general or something like that, um, he was, he wasn't just a soldier, he was quite high up. That said, if we um, if we had like a hundred soldiers that were like emus, we'd win any war. Uh, what, because they just.

• 13:21Speaker 03

  Quick?

• 13:22Speaker 02

  They were, they were, they were quick, they were, they were smart, they outsmarted them a lot of the time.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  Their strategy was really good.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  They literally outsmarted them a lot of the time. And also they'd get hit.

• 13:32Speaker 03

  Their intelligence was very good.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  They'd get hit, but they were so big and tough.

• 13:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  That they would just live, they would just carry on living after being shot, they would just carry on as if nothing had happened.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  That.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  But it was, it's, that's an interesting little part of Australian history.

• 13:46Speaker 03

  I think it's quite heartwarming, which is interesting because.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  How did we get on to that? What were you talking about?

• 13:51Speaker 03

  Talk about Australia.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Talk about how great Australia is. So I'll just say, um, for legal reasons, that, um, I, we adhered to any drink, drink driving laws in Australia.

• 14:02Speaker 03

  Yep, which isn't saying much, any laws that might exist hypothetically. I don't think there are.

• 14:09Speaker 02

  I think there's, I think a lot of the laws in Australia are just, just sort of, uh, they're not written.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  What's the one in America where it's like, if you can walk along a line, you're fine?

• 14:22Speaker 02

  So, I've spoken about this before, I don't know whether it was on that other podcast I do with that woman.

• 14:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, you guys are doing that.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  But, I know, I've got to knock it on the.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  No one likes that.

• 14:32Speaker 02

  You're talking about Claire? Got to stop doing that.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  No one likes that. So I, no.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  No, what was you talking about? Sorry?

• 14:45Speaker 03

  The American version.

• 14:46Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, no.

• 14:48Speaker 03

  Where they just sort of see like, well.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  When they, when the policeman goes, have you been drinking?

• 14:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  Let me, like, it happens a lot in America. I see a lot of American videos. It was like, can you touch your nose, walk along a line, da, da, da?

• 14:58Speaker 03

  And you say, absolutely, officer.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  I genuinely think, um, it was the, can you do the alphabet backwards? I can't.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  No, yeah.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  I cannot do that. And I'd just be like, well, you've been drinking.

• 15:12Speaker 03

  I know, I'd get stuck.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:14Speaker 03

  After Y, I think.

• 15:15Speaker 02

  I'd, I think I'd be terrible if you, um, hooked a lie detector to me.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  Cause you'd be panicking anyway.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  I think I would just panic about the whole situation so much anyway.

• 15:24Speaker 03

  The lie detector is, seems very, very wobbly as a technology.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  It's been proven that is.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  It's just, it's just seeing, it's just like, is your pulse raised?

• 15:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and do you sweat a bit more?

• 15:35Speaker 03

  And, and so if you can learn to control those things, then. And conversely, if you can't control them.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  There's a reason why it can't be used in court at all whatsoever.

• 15:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  Um.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  It's primarily for like the Jeremy Kyle show, isn't it? The lie detector.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there are, there are people.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  It's a gimmick.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  Who are basically lie detector operators that swear down. I'd like to put them on a fucking lie detector.

• 15:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Do you, have you ever had any doubts about whether the lie detector really works?

• 16:01Speaker 02

  It's 98% accurate. They all say that. Oh.

• 16:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:07Speaker 02

  Have you seen Nathan For You? Where they put him on a lie detector?

• 16:10Speaker 03

  I haven't seen a lie detector episode. I've seen the one where he makes a poo flavoured ice cream.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, there's a, there's an episode, there's an episode where they, where he gets put in the, uh, on a lie detector. And they ask him whether he's watched, ever watched any porno, pornographic material. And, um, and, uh, whether he's watched any pornography. And he says, no. He's like, well, you've lied on that one. And he's like, well, I don't, well, there's obviously a problem with the lie detector. And then he starts saying, I'll see you. Is it, is that running on Windows XP? And he's like, yeah, yeah. He's like, well, that's, that's obviously a problem with the operating system. He's like, there's nothing wrong with the operator. Like, the bloke starts getting really annoyed with.

• 16:46Speaker 03

  Oh, that's very funny. How does, how does he do? Oh, it doesn't matter.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Doesn't matter. Um, anyway, um, you've been, guys, we've got, uh, we've got some messages.

• 16:56Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  We've got one here from Luke and one from Mark. Um, you've been sending us, uh, some real fact up stuff for us to discuss. Um, Luke is here via fact up email. Luke says, hey, Joe and James. I was just listening to an episode where Joe was called out for his constant use of yeah. Which one? Which one?

• 17:16Speaker 05

  Every other one.

• 17:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Well, yes.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  I noticed it, but it's only really when James is speaking. It's odd, isn't it? It's almost like I'm talking and you're agreeing with me.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 17:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Uh, finally, I have a use for my linguistics degree. Ah, brilliant. Luke's here with a linguistics degree because what Joe's doing is called back channeling. In linguistics, back channeling is when a listener interjects with short responses like yeah to signal their intention, understanding or agreement. Oh, you don't need to. I could have told you that, mate. Uh, when someone is speaking, someone else is speaking. It's a way of showing support without interrupting. That's exactly what we do. We do that to each other.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  We do, we, uh, what's it affirmation?

• 18:01Speaker 03

  Yes. And I, Luke's quite right.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  When you say yeah, and I know you do it, and I, I say, I'm, I'm not that far behind you with my yeah count as well. It's just letting you know that I'm listening to you and that, yeah.

• 18:15Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  Basically, what I should be saying is keep going.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  Well, it's the fact that.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  You're doing great.

• 18:20Speaker 03

  Completely. And, um, and it's, and, uh, well, he says, he's actually says.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 18:26Speaker 03

  He actually says that you, you know, you're not doing enough. The, the gist of this is that, you know, you're letting me down with only 89.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  And I'll be honest with you, it's because, uh, it's because everyone mentioned it. Like I've become self-conscious.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  People have become, uh, we've become self-conscious.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:42Speaker 03

  I must admit, I did listen to an episode the other week where we were doing it less and I thought, oh, this is better.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Again, they are right.

• 18:51Speaker 03

  They're right.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  They are right.

• 18:52Speaker 03

  But.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  But Luke does go on to say, sorry Joe, and this is really sweet. So all of Joe's years show what a great mate he is. It's just that it's literally just supporting each other, isn't it?

• 19:05Speaker 03

  Support.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  It's kind of micro bonding, I think.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, he says, "Ta, I'm loving the pod, Luke." Well, thank you, Luke.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  Thanks, Luke.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  Linguistics degree.

• 19:15Speaker 03

  Linguistics degree.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  I'd love to do a linguist. I think that stuff's so fascinating.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  I'd love to have a degree. I would. I've got a message here from Mark through the email again. It's just called "shit flirting."

• 19:30Speaker 04

  I gave it a little title.

• 19:31Speaker 02

  Thank you, Lily, mate.

• 19:32Speaker 04

  You're welcome.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  All right, lads, got a story for you. That we reckon, we, that we reckon you'll appreciate. It's about our mate Roger. All right, brilliant. So it's from Mark, but it's him and a couple of other mates that are trying to mug off Roger. Let's see what they've got to say. It's about our mate Roger. Lovely bloke.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  Right.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  Lovely bloke. Bit of a liability.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  But you sure?

• 19:56Speaker 02

  We all know someone like that.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:59Speaker 02

  So Roger had been chatting to this girl at work for a few days. Things were going well. Bit of flirty banter. You know the drill.

• 20:06Speaker 03

  Do I? Tell me about it.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  Of course you do.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  I'm always doing that sort of thing.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  Lady Killer Joe.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  Anyway, one night, he's on the loo, sends a picture to the lad's group chat proudly showing off what he described as a tour shit.

• 20:21Speaker 03

  What? A tour shit, yeah, you know, as in like what goes on on tour.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  Stays on tour, right.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  And then comes out.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  Watery splattery. Oh, right. It's a beer shit, right?

• 20:33Speaker 03

  A beer, yeah.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  Watery splattery after a few days on the beers with some other friends in Tenerife or somewhere. The problem is Roger somehow managed to send it to her instead. Cue instant panic. He's staring at the screen, seeing the little delivered tick and realise there's no going back. He tries to play it cool by typing "meant for something else."

• 20:56Speaker 03

  LOL.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  As if there's any situation where that makes it better.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:04Speaker 02

  I don't think he heard from her again. All the best, Mark Ellis, Snith, Paul and Wilson. Snith, that sounds like some, someone that should be in a Harry Potter film.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, Snith, yes.

• 21:18Speaker 02

  Wow, that's bad, yeah.

• 21:20Speaker 03

  How's he done that?

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Sending a shit to a.

• 21:23Speaker 03

  How has he done that, though?

• 21:25Speaker 02

  It can happen.

• 21:28Speaker 02

  It can happen. Nowadays, there is a grace period. There's a little grace period.

• 21:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:33Speaker 02

  Of, uh, where you can, say in WhatsApp, for example,

• 21:40Speaker 02

  you can see if someone's read it, right?

• 21:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Or if you're in a group, you can see if some, if who's, who it's been read by.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  But they've always read it almost straight away.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  Not a lot of the time.

• 21:50Speaker 03

  Oh, you can see if other people have read it.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:52Speaker 03

  So, yeah, so, yeah, because I always wonder when you're in a group and you get one tick, an extra tick.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:56Speaker 03

  I'm like, is that because one person's read it?

• 22:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, sometimes.

• 22:01Speaker 04

  Well, you couldn't. That's delivered and received.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:04Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 22:04Speaker 04

  So it's one tick that you've sent it, two ticks that they've received it.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  Who's received it, though? The group?

• 22:09Speaker 04

  The, yeah, the recipients.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  And then the blue tick.

• 22:12Speaker 04

  Blue tick means it's been seen.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  They've been read it.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:14Speaker 02

  So you get a little bit of time there to delete that message. However, if I, I might be wrong, but it just says, it still says, James deleted a message, right?

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, so you can delete it, but it will say message deleted.

• 22:28Speaker 03

  There's something.

• 22:29Speaker 04

  That's kind of shit, surely.

• 22:30Speaker 03

  It is better than, yes, it is. I- in that situation, it's, like, there's quite often on, on WhatsApp groups that I'm on, people delete messages because they are, like, selling stuff. They're like, does anyone want this scooter? And then once it's been sold, they just delete the message. I don't know why, but like, I assume it's that. I don't know what it is. But it does look suspicious. You're like.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  If someone has deleted nine messages in a row, you're like, what are you up to? Like, what, what, what are you so desperate we don't see? Do you know what I mean? And it's, it's like when they bleep stuff out, you know, bleeping swearing.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  Always sounds more incriminating than just the actual swear word. Sometimes you've said something like, I don't know, poo or something, they're like, beep, you're like, oh my God, what did he just say? Nothing, a word that you've heard a million times, like, just forget about it.

• 23:12Speaker 02

  So like, I do, I, I'm like, I was in the in-betweeners, for God's sake. Like, I'm completely desensitized to swearing.

• 23:20Speaker 03

  Can I just say about swearing?

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Swearing does not offend me at all whatsoever.

• 23:23Speaker 03

  No, me neither.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  I've made, um, with me and Claire and with stuff that I was doing before Claire, I've made YouTube um, content for a long, long time and you are allowed to swear on YouTube.

• 23:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  But because I make it all myself and I edit it all myself, I always bleep the swearing.

• 23:38Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  And sometimes you get comments that are like, mate, what are you scared of? Like, oh, like, don't bleep the swearing. Oh, you're trying to stay commercial. Oh, you don't want to piss off um, the advertisers, so you bleep your swearing.

• 23:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  It's never been the case at all whatsoever. I can leave the swearing in. I'm known for swearing.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  Don't get me wrong. I like, I have no problem with swearing at all whatsoever.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Right.

• 24:04Speaker 02

  I just find there's something naughtier and funnier about a bleeped swear word.

• 24:09Speaker 03

  I totally agree.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  I think it's, I think it's just comedically funnier.

• 24:13Speaker 03

  It's like if you see a blurred out bit of nudity.

• 24:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  Somehow it's more titillating than.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  Seeing a cock or something. Yeah.

• 24:22Speaker 03

  I totally agree.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  Sexy, but it's, it doesn't turn me on as much, but.

• 24:27Speaker 03

  No, of course, exactly.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  If I see, you know, I just, if, depends what mood I'm in.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  Well, then the imagination takes over and you think, and you start to paint a little picture in your mind.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  I'm just making that noise, shall I? Sorry. I'm just clicking my lip balm.

• 24:39Speaker 03

  I never really understand why swearing is lumped in with like violence and sex. It's by far the least serious.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:48Speaker 03

  I'm pretty sure that in the end, my daughter will know swear words. And I think that'll be that. I don't think that she'll get addicted to swearing or that she'll waste a load of money on it or something like. It doesn't, it's an incredibly low ceiling that you reach instantly. You're like, well, now she knows the word fuck. And I think that's the end of the matter, isn't it? I don't think that's literally it, isn't it? Like, there's not, compared to sex and violence, you're like, come on, why is it even in the same bracket? It's ludicrous.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Though, it's been like people have been offended that I've bleeped the swearing.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, and again, yes.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  That's where they've got annoyed. They've been like, why are you bleeping it?

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Well, they think that you're, yeah, they think that you're, well, I imagine the phrase the man is not too far away, or maybe.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  But yeah, no, talking about, um.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  Well, it's one of those things, isn't it?

• 25:33Speaker 02

  Who was it? Roger's situation where he delivered the wrong thing. So now, now you can't, but you never used to, it, that's not always been a case where you could delete the message. So there was one, there was me and a group of my friends that were in a, they were in a big group WhatsApp.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  They were all blokes that I've known since I was four years old. It's, it's basically the pub WhatsApp chat.

• 25:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  Must have been about eight of us in this WhatsApp group.

• 25:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  Two of the boys were out, were down the pub. They went out midweek. They broke the rules. They went for a midweek pint.

• 26:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:06Speaker 02

  And they started getting a bit pissed.

• 26:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 02

  And one of the boys girlfriends at the time, none of us liked.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  Right. Okay.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  They started going mental in this WhatsApp group, slagging her off and taking a piss out of her and stuff like that. And then, and this was before you could delete the messages, right? And there's a lot of us going, oh, oh, careful guys, you know, you know, he's in this group. So then the, it became a plan where they were like, well, if we keep just making more and more messages in this group, by the time he gets to the, his phone and sees there's about 200 messages or something like that, he's gonna go, right, I can't be bothered to read one of those. So they just sort of flooded.

• 26:50Speaker 03

  Flooded it, yeah.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  But they're still in there. It's still like, oh, way up.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  Oh, that's amazing. That's good.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  Like saying some awful stuff about his girlfriend. He's not with her anymore. But, um.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  That's, yeah, so they just started, um, trying to bury it in anything.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, yeah, they tried to sort of, you know, it was like, uh, it was like, what, they mentioned the Epstein files for a second and then they were like, oh, actually, can we talk about anything else right now? To try and sort of distract us from what's going on over there. It was that, it was, and before that all happened, they were ahead of their time, really.

• 27:21Speaker 03

  They were, they were. I mean, God.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  Unbelievable. But I mean, I don't know, I, I, with, I don't, yes, with this, I don't know. I don't really understand how this is.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  What'd they call them? What was that thing? What was the, um, Amande and Inochi, um, sitcom? Thick of it? Spin Doctors.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  Spin Doctors, yeah.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  It was all, they were sort of trying to put spin on there.

• 27:43Speaker 03

  Yes, yeah. Like, it was like, was it throw a dead cat on the table? And then everyone should, well, no, it's not quite that, because it's just boring. It's like, just send them, send them more than they can possibly read, basically. Drown, drown this bloke in, like, documents.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, so much information, he's never gonna go back, like, 300 messages to see what was, what was being spoken about.

• 28:06Speaker 03

  What worries me about this shit is that I feel like most shits I do basically look like that. It wouldn't be like, oh my god, look at this.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  Honestly, I have diarrhea far too much.

• 28:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Uh, um, for a normal human being.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do as well. I've actually ordered some, um,

• 28:25Speaker 03

  some, some psyllium husk, which is like a fibre, and it glues it all together.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  I take the same thing.

• 28:31Speaker 03

  It's good, isn't it?

• 28:32Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, the phrase you were searching for, I think, was flooding the zone, but then you started talking about diarrhea.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's flooding, flooding the zone, yes.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  Yes, that is the phrase I'm looking for. I flood the zone more than most normal human beings. Whenever I'm in the toilet, I am flooding the zone.

• 28:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  Thank you, Lily, mate.

• 28:49Speaker 04

  You're so welcome.

• 28:50Speaker 03

  Right. Well, uh, you didn't hear from her again. And I suppose that's

• 29:00Speaker 02

  We've burnt too bright too quickly today, haven't we?

• 29:02Speaker 03

  I know, we did.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  The last episode's gonna be about four hours long. This episode, we're just coasting through it.

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• 30:52Speaker 02

  Anyway, Joe.

• 30:53Speaker 03

  Okay, um, so...

• 30:55Speaker 02

  Joe's fact.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  Right.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  Have we got a jingle for that? Joe's fact.

• 30:59Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  Yesterday was Blue Monday, which is claimed to be the most depressing day of the year.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, what is it? It's the 20...

• 31:06Speaker 04

  Today is the 20th of January.

• 31:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, so the 19th. I actually looked this up, um, just for my own...

• 31:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  For my... I don't know if this is sad or not. Just my own reasons. I was just, um, talking to Claire, and I was just like, oh, I better look up Blue Monday and make sure... Just make a note of that day and make sure I'm all right that day.

• 31:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, January is a rubbish month. I think we can all agree on that. Just absolute wall-to-wall dog shit.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  And it's basically in the middle of January.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:37Speaker 03

  You're back at work.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  Some bloke from a university did some studies on it, and, um, a professor or something. I literally looked this up the other day, um, for my, for my, for my own reasons. Um, and it is statistically... Mondays are depressing already.

• 31:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  January is a depressing month.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:56Speaker 02

  Post the, the fun and celebrations and things that we have, the festivities over Christmas.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  Best of us. And, um, and it's statistically this Monday that's, uh, that people struggle with.

• 32:11Speaker 03

  Makes a lot of sense.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  So we thought, Joe, um...

• 32:15Speaker 03

  I'm already thinking that my fact is not, we thought it was supposed to be a heartwarming fact.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  My fact.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  Cheer you up.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, my fact is about abandoned babies.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 32:26Speaker 03

  So I, there's, I just, I mean, but I find this heartwarming. So there are these little spaces in walls where if you've, this should, this shouldn't happen.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, they have them in America.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  But if it is gonna happen.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  They're like, um, if you, back in the day.

• 32:42Speaker 03

  You put the baby.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  Back in the day when you returned a video that was out, and it was out of hours.

• 32:47Speaker 03

  Rental car.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:48Speaker 03

  They say just put the keys in the box.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:50Speaker 03

  So, but honestly, I genuinely find, because these are babies that, like, if the alternative is just, maybe the baby is gonna die, or the baby is in jeopardy. The, I don't want a baby, a baby that does not have adults to care, that that baby is in serious, serious trouble.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  It'd be a woman in a situation where this baby.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  She can't, she just cannot.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, doesn't.

• 33:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's far better.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:15Speaker 03

  That the baby is taken care of.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Brave decision.

• 33:17Speaker 03

  Incredible, it's like.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  And, and to be, and, and to not generalize, usually young women will come to this decision.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  But to have the foresight to be able to go.

• 33:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  I myself, I'm in a really shit situation right now.

• 33:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  I, I wouldn't want to drag anyone else into this situation. Heartbreaking.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  I'm pulling.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  Not, um, not cheerful. So carry on, Joe.

• 33:42Speaker 03

  Well, I just, to me, it, there's something about the fact that there is

• 33:50Speaker 03

  a happy ending to this story, you know, that I, I just.

• 33:53Speaker 02

  I do think it's a positive thing.

• 33:54Speaker 03

  The baby goes in, it's in there, and then somewhere a little alarm goes off.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  And they're like, oh, there's one in there. And then they go get it.

• 34:02Speaker 02

  There's, there's.

• 34:03Speaker 03

  And, and what, but what's interesting is that, so I feel this is maybe, it goes back a long time. So this actually isn't something like, it goes back to think of the foundling wheel, which was a thing in like the 18th century.

• 34:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:16Speaker 03

  Which was in the wall of a church. Cause I mean, basically.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  Workhouse?

• 34:21Speaker 03

  No, well, no, because the church, I, in a sense, I think what happened is that during previous centuries, the, the church did a lot of the roles that we might now expect the state to do.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:33Speaker 03

  So care of the poor and the destitute may like.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  Your community.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  Your community. So, yeah. And, and then in a sense, yeah, so I think we might. In some ways, I think it makes sense to.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  But that's why, that's why for only until very recently.

• 34:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  Was it John Peel? I think I've already spoken about him, but I only until very recently. Uh, have we had a um, an actual police force.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  In this country.

• 35:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Um, because you had the church and you had just had other people and they're like, we'll just, we'll just take care of itself. If you have an actual police force, starting enforcing all this stuff on us, we feel that that's a, that's incro- encouraging on our liberties.

• 35:13Speaker 03

  That's true. There was, there was the Metropolitan Police, which was only in London in the 19th century. And then you got the detective branch. Because there were some crimes and what's funny about the, like, so there's a, there's a very good book called The Suspicions of Mr. Witcher, which is about. Uh, again, for this episode, the murder of a child. And basically the detective solves the case.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  Cheerful.

• 35:34Speaker 03

  But the early, but the early detective force. It wasn't like, you didn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to crack these cases. It was just, nobody was following up cases where, where it was anything more than just like a brawl. So in, so I feel like in about 1820, if a body was discovered.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:54Speaker 03

  And the murderer wasn't like standing over them going, oh, I've just killed.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:58Speaker 03

  Them, like, they were like, well, there's nothing we can do. So the detectives were like.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  No records.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  There was no sort of forensic.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  So the job of the detective force was.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  Like DNA, but I mean, even just sort of the very basic.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  The very, so for example, so early cases of.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  Character references and things like that.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  So early, early jobs of the London detective force would be things like the, uh, again, sorry about this, but like in this book. So, so when, when, so they, for example, a baby's been murdered.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 36:25Speaker 03

  And it's wrapped in a shawl.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 36:27Speaker 03

  And on the shawl is just a woman's name stitched into the shawl. So the detectives are like, I will go and talk to her, I guess. And they go around and, and they're like, she's like, yeah, I did do it.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  So it's, it was that level. It was just one level above nothing.

• 36:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  One level above just.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  It was the next step.

• 36:43Speaker 03

  It was one level above basically just bouncer, as far as I can, the police before that, basically, as far as I tell, they were basically just like crowd control.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  And there was, so it wasn't like sort of forensic detection. It was just.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  Were pretty, were pretty much.

• 36:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Stop that.

• 36:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  Because if you do that, if, if, like, they were just sort of like preemptive.

• 37:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, so yeah, yeah.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  It was sort of more preemptive than after the fact, trying to sort of solve stuff.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly, exactly. And, and so, so, yeah, right, you're right, so there would have been things that didn't, that, that just weren't, weren't there. Police, fire brigade, like, you know, no fire brigade, like, if you, if you, or you might call the fire brigade, but if they come out and then you, you pay them to put other fire in your house, and then the next door house might be on fire, and they just wouldn't put it out, because they were like, oh, you didn't pay us to put it out.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  It was an insurance thing.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:31Speaker 02

  You'd, you'd pay an insurance, you'd pay a company, there was no sort of fire brigade, you'd pay a company.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  In general, fires were not put out.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, because if, if, if they turned up to our house and was like, well, they're not paid up, and they go, well, we'll just stand here and watch it burn.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. So basically, that was, um, so the, so at this point, it was, it would have been the church rather than the, the state.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 03

  And it was called the, the founding wheel. And what it was, it was an upright cylinder. It's a bit weird because babies can't stand up, but you'd put it in.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  And then you'd like turn it, and it's so, so the baby, first of all, it's facing the outside world, and then it goes,

• 38:08Speaker 03

  and now it's facing the inside of the church, and they're like, oh, it's a baby. And then the priests or whatever come over and go, oh, we'll take care of this baby.

• 38:15Speaker 02

  I do think those are good things.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  I think it's a good thing. I mean, I just, I'm, you know.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  It's not the most uplifting fact.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  It's not uplifting, but I, you know, I've.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  There is a good story, you know, it's about, it's a situation.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  I think it's a happy ending. I mean, look, I, I think it ultimately, if the child is still alive, and he's going to be taken care of, that's better than it dying somewhere, surely.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  You've got one situation where, um, there's, some women might be in a situation where bringing a child in wouldn't benefit that child.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  It would, it would make them sadder.

• 38:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:46Speaker 02

  Losing, like, leaving the child.

• 38:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  But they're thinking beyond themselves, thinking of the child.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  Completely.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  Uh, and then on the other side, you've got families, or couples, or, or, you know, people in, in a more, I don't know, stable situation.

• 39:03Speaker 03

  Who maybe can't have children.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  That, that maybe can't have children, and then, so.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  I mean, it's fucking, it's, it's, you've gone around the houses to get to it.

• 39:11Speaker 03

  But just there's something, there was, there's something.

• 39:15Speaker 02

  I, I just think there was a billion more positive things you could have gone for before I got to that one.

• 39:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. I actually forgot.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  I sort of semi forgot.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:26Speaker 03

  Well.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  No, I agree. Yeah, we're both right.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Um, and it's not so much that that's the heartwarming fact, it's just that was what happened to be in my head.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  And then I was like, well, I guess that in a way that's heartwarming.

• 39:40Speaker 02

  There's a film there or there's some kind of horror story where I somehow are put in your brain. And it'd be the most terrifying thing.

• 39:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, you don't want to be in my brain.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  No, I, I know I don't.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  It's like trying to look after.

• 39:55Speaker 02

  I know, I don't.

• 39:55Speaker 03

  A horrible zoo.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  The thing is, I know somewhere you have a filter between your brain and mouth. And that's what scares me the most. Because the stuff that comes out of your mouth and I'm like, Jesus, why is he keeping back from? What are you holding on to?

• 40:11Speaker 03

  A lot of it's not in proper sentences yet, of course. Basically, if it's in a sentence, it's coming out.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Right, should we do fact check? Is that right?

• 40:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, move on.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  Now, I can't, all right, is everyone feeling cheerful?

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Is everyone?

• 40:27Speaker 04

  I do feel sort of more sad than when I came in.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  I, I do.

• 40:30Speaker 02

  Hold off, hold off, because I've got a fact for you that's gonna, that is gonna, that's, that it, like, it's not gonna be as. Not gonna be as much discussion. Uh, and it's not gonna be funny or entertaining, but it will be like, all right, okay, we're okay, we're all good.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  Um, it is time for fact check. This is where we'll be reading a fact or question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. Then we're gonna have a good little think during the ad break and we'll come back to let you know how true it feels to us. Uh, and decide whether it passes our fact check. Uh, Joe, have you got, what's going on?

• 41:06Speaker 03

  Well, have I got it?

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  Well, in a way, you're half right.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:09Speaker 03

  Because this week's fact is in the form of a voice note from Lee, so let's have a listen to that.

• 41:16Speaker 02

  Lee.

• 41:19Speaker 08

  Hi Joe, James and Queen Lily May. It's Lee from Leicestershire, just ringing up for fact check. Um, this is job related for myself because I'm a police officer, been a police officer now for 26 years. And if I had a pound for every time someone asked me, can I piss in your hat? I would have retired years ago. So my question is, is there any fact to the fact pregnant women can piss or have ever been able to piss in a policeman's hat? Um, I know you like history, so one for you guys to look into. Um, loving the show. Keep up the good work. Happy New Year. Um, have a good one. Bye.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Thank you very much, Lee. Let's have a quick little break. Thank you, officer. Thank you. Or sergeant, wherever your rank is. Police officer, Lee. Thank you, policeman Lee. We'll have a quick break and we'll get chomping, chomping at the bit. Chomping at the bit. To get into this one.

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• 43:25Speaker 09

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• 43:26Speaker 03

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• 43:28Speaker 09

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• 43:39Speaker 09

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• 43:46Speaker 03

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• 43:49Speaker 09

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• 43:51Speaker 03

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• 43:54Speaker 09

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• 44:03Speaker 02

  Welcome back to Joe and James Fact Up.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  Hello.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  We're just fact checking. I don't know if we're legally allowed to say that anymore, are we? Because we don't. There was a, I saw one of our, what do you call it, the social media clips where I said, I don't know if it's a fact, but it's definitely true.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  Well.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  We're fact checking on behalf of Lee, who wanted to know if somebody is pregnant, can they legally ask to piss on a police officer's hat?

• 44:35Speaker 03

  Well, in a, in a hat?

• 44:36Speaker 02

  In a hat.

• 44:37Speaker 03

  I think it'd be a bit pointless if they just pissed on top of it.

• 44:40Speaker 02

  And they're still wearing it.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  Can they piss on a police officer's?

• 44:46Speaker 02

  Now, Lee, this, this has all the ingredients of fact.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  This has all the ingredients. First of all, it's very interesting.

• 44:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  Slightly amusing.

• 44:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  And also I've heard it before.

• 44:58Speaker 03

  I have heard it before. But what I've heard is, what I've heard is the helmet, because the helmet is more like a bucket, so it kind of makes sense.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  But also it makes sense that they're a police officer, they're, they're a public servant.

• 45:09Speaker 03

  I know, they're kind of.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  There's a lady in distress.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're kind of, yes, they're almost kind of part of the architecture of the city.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  And almost, and not in a, not in a bad way, a bit like a public toilet.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  I mean that in a very affectionate way.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  No, but just, just ready.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  Because I'm not a public toilet.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  Ready to get, to get the dirty work done.

• 45:28Speaker 03

  Get the dirty work done. So I, don't worry, ma'am, in there.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  Absolutely, ma'am.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  And then just, and then I'll just toddle off to a nearby drain, pour it down the drain.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  They would have taken their cape off.

• 45:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yes, exactly. So the lady's modesty was protected.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  It should be true. The thing is, I think to me, it makes sense if it's the big.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  If it's not true, I, I, I've got no faith in humanity anymore.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  If it's not true, it's probably just because they don't wear the right sort of hat anymore.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  No, but I, I, I'd like to think that it's still true, but it's just not adhered to, sort of thing.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Um, but I, I'm go, I'm going with fact. I'm going with absolute fact. Katie, um, had heard a similar.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  Fact, that might not be true. Um, the, uh, taxi drivers are allowed to piss, specifically up the rear wheel.

• 46:20Speaker 03

  The rear wheel.

• 46:21Speaker 02

  Of their car.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  It's quite funny that.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  As long as they're touching their car.

• 46:25Speaker 03

  It's funny that because it is almost like, as long as they go to the back, because it's like, it's like the bum of the car.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:30Speaker 03

  So it's, do you know what I mean? It is like, not the front, obviously, that's mental. That'd be like pissing out of your mouth.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  I'll tell you something.

• 46:37Speaker 03

  The back, the rear wheel makes sense.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  My mate's dad, um, was a taxi driver and, uh, they've got, in London especially, they've got these little places, these little sandwich shops, these little lunch places.

• 46:50Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  Where you're only, you, you, you can't go in unless you're a taxi driver.

• 46:54Speaker 03

  I feel like there was one near me, but maybe it was just the taxi drivers liked it a lot.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  I just, and you see like the, you know, they've got like bacon butties there going on and stuff like that and all this great grub. I'd love to, do you reckon if I played the celebrity card, I'd be able to get into one of those?

• 47:09Speaker 03

  Well, I think there are places you can stay overnight as well. I think if you, if you, because quite a lot of taxi drivers don't actually live in London.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, they come in and out.

• 47:15Speaker 03

  But if they want to, if they want to stay overnight, there are kind of clubs or something where they can. It sounds great. It sounds like a, well, I'd say it, it is a secret society.

• 47:26Speaker 02

  I love all of that, the, the sort of.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 47:28Speaker 02

  The, the, the tradition, historical side of London.

• 47:33Speaker 03

  I'd love to be in a secret society.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  I can't stand, it depresses me coming into this fucking city.

• 47:39Speaker 03

  I, I continue to like it. I do find that.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Just for balance. No, you do love it. You've lived in London for.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  I'm a Londoner now.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  You've lived in London.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  I've lived in London since. Two thousand and seven.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  And I, yeah, I love it. I do love it. I do. I know. I can understand why people wouldn't. It can give the appearance of being quite dirty and noisy and.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  I like being able to get in my car and drive to the place where I need to be and my car's outside and I can get that stuff in the car.

• 48:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 02

  I don't want to have to move my car every two hours and all that nonsense.

• 48:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, everything is.

• 48:16Speaker 02

  That's the thing in Seinfeld as well. They're obsessed with car parking, even during the nineties, like in New York.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  George is obsessed.

• 48:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  With getting a, get, he says like his dad got a parking space outside, right outside the building once and he didn't move it for about nine months.

• 48:32Speaker 03

  No, it is that, that I think it could, I mean, I was in.

• 48:37Speaker 03

  I was in New Zealand recently and like I got used to being able to just drive somewhere and park outside. And then, yeah, in London, if you turn up in a car, it is a bit like, what the fuck have you brought that thing here for? And you're like, well, it is, quite a lot of people have cars. I mean, it's not like, yeah, anyway, but look, it, whatever. It's a medieval.

• 48:57Speaker 02

  But when it, well, not even medieval. It goes way before that.

• 49:01Speaker 03

  Roman.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  Londonian and all that.

• 49:04Speaker 03

  What's funny is we think of medieval as very cramped, but we think of Roman as somehow like.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Vast.

• 49:08Speaker 03

  Expensive and, yeah.

• 49:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  Where were we?

• 49:12Speaker 02

  Was London the first city or was it Colchester?

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Chelmsford was up there as well.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  I might have to.

• 49:18Speaker 03

  At some stage.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  I might have to look into that.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  I think Colchester is, yeah, Colchester maybe was an early Roman capital.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  Might have been, might have been.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  Um, but.

• 49:29Speaker 03

  But the other fact about the taxi drivers or, uh, but the, the, you know, whether, maybe it's a fact, maybe it's a urban myth is that. But they can piss against the real world as long as they're touching the car.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Just, you know, I'm touching the car.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  With the penis or with an arm?

• 49:45Speaker 02

  No, I think the palm. The palm, the palm goes on the car. Um, but again, if a taxi driver needs to relieve himself.

• 49:52Speaker 03

  Listen, if you can.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Sense, it's common sense. They're, they're not.

• 49:55Speaker 03

  Is it mean you're not, you're not allowed to be across the street? I mean, I can reach it.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  But, um, so go back, go, go back a hundred years or so. Um, your, your horse and carriage taxi.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Uh, cab.

• 50:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  Uh, Hackney cabs.

• 50:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  Um. I imagine on a cobbled street in the middle of the night.

• 50:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Taxi driver would, like, because they need, they're providing a service, they're an important part

• 50:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  of the infrastructure of, of the city.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  They can't, we can't let them just wander off to find a loo.

• 50:27Speaker 03

  No.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Every, you know, half hour or whatever.

• 50:30Speaker 03

  Well.

• 50:30Speaker 02

  Let them take a piss up, on the back wheel of the, of the carriage.

• 50:35Speaker 03

  A carriage without a driver is no use to anyone.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Absolutely not.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  So, you know, let's keep him touching the carriage.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  So I think Katie's fact's real. Um, I, I also think, um, that the police officer's hat is true. And, um, and I'm going to be upset if it's not. It will crush me if it's not.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  It should be true.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  And I know we're trying to be positive.

• 50:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:57Speaker 02

  I know this is meant to be an uplifting podcast.

• 50:59Speaker 03

  I didn't mean that.

• 50:59Speaker 02

  You've come to the wrong place.

• 51:01Speaker 03

  I know. You, look at us. We're, we're not, we're all jaded and.

• 51:05Speaker 02

  My favourite thing in the world to do is whinge. I love moaning. I'm not happy unless I'm upset about something.

• 51:12Speaker 03

  If you're trying to ask us to dredge up.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:15Speaker 03

  I've done my best. I've done my best. I said that sometimes.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  I don't.

• 51:18Speaker 03

  In extremis, we managed to prevent the death of infants.

• 51:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  And I think that, to me, that is heartwarming.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  It's a positive message.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  It's a positive message.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:26Speaker 03

  You know, if we have to.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  Then, yeah, fine, we'll keep the baby alive.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  If you want to be cheered up, don't come and see me and Joe. I think he's what, he's a fact.

• 51:36Speaker 03

  That's a fact.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  Um, but yeah, Lily May, have you got anything, um?

• 51:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, I did a little bit.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  Grown up.

• 51:42Speaker 04

  A little bit of looking. And so obviously referring to the policeman's helmet.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 51:48Speaker 04

  So laws prohibit any relieving yourself in a public place whatsoever. However.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  I'm just thinking about.

• 51:56Speaker 04

  However.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  I'm laughing at policeman's helmet.

• 52:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  Well, I've said it now.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  You can piss out of a policeman's helmet.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  But can you go in, can you go the other way?

• 52:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  Okay, discretion to not charge may be exercised if a pregnant woman were caught in public.

• 52:22Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  But you can't use a helmet.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  But they haven't mentioned, they haven't mentioned.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  It says, it says in this article about it that it seems unlikely that the police officer would offer their helmet for this purpose.

• 52:34Speaker 02

  I don't, I disagree.

• 52:35Speaker 03

  But also what Lee was saying was that it wasn't pregnant women who were asking him. It was just people, like just blokes being like, can I piss in your hat? He's like, no.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  That was where my, that was where my ears pricked up because he, because he did go, oh, are you allowed to piss in a policeman's helmet? So I was like, oh, I know that fact about.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, that's right.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Pregnant women being allowed to piss in a policeman's helmet. And then he did mention it.

• 52:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Uh, but I'd like to think a hundred years ago or so, when they were wearing those, um.

• 53:01Speaker 03

  The big things.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  I always just think of the young ones when they go, take the tear off your head.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  But I think, I think this means, although it's not technically written in law, I think this is a fact.

• 53:17Speaker 02

  I think there have been some chivalrous policemen that have seen a damsel in distress.

• 53:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  Um, and yeah, it's all romanticised in my head and I'd like to, I'd, I'd like to hope that there's been instances where.

• 53:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, although the thing there when they said they might.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  I'm going to put John James's Stanford approval on that. I'm going to say it's fact.

• 53:37Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah, that we, I think, I think it meets our standard, which is like, it should be true.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that's it.

• 53:44Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  That is it. Uh, right. We've got the Queen's consent on that one. If there is anything that you'd like us to fact check, head to our episode's description for all the ways to get in touch. I assume there's some kind of sting, musical sting there.

• 54:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'll put a lot of sting there, yeah.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  Great.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Right, it's my fact, Joe, which I hastily put together.

• 54:13Speaker 03

  This has to be really heartwarming because we need to bring people back, not only from Blue Monday.

• 54:18Speaker 02

  So this is what I want to talk to you about.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  But also for my one.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  Also your fact, yeah. So, do you remember as a kid, and even to this day, I love an Attenborough documentary. I absolutely love watching Manborough Documentary. However, even when I was a child in the 90s, I used to hate the last 10 minutes because it would just make me feel awful.

• 54:41Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 54:41Speaker 02

  Because it'd just be like, oh, you know that beautiful animal that you've just been watching? Um, there's only about two of them left. It's because of you. It's because what you're doing with all your, you're throwing things away and you're driving a car and you're a piece of shit.

• 54:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  And I'd just be like, oh, thanks, Dave. Cheers, mate. I was enjoying that for a second.

• 55:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:02Speaker 02

  Um, however, I went to my good friend and yours.

• 55:08Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 55:09Speaker 02

  Chat GPT.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 55:11Speaker 02

  And I said, um, can you please give me a positive fact?

• 55:15Speaker 03

  Man's best friend?

• 55:16Speaker 02

  About nature and the state of the planet.

• 55:18Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 55:20Speaker 02

  And here is what they've got to say.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 55:22Speaker 02

  Um, when humans give ecosystems space and protection, nature often recovers remarkably well. In many parts of the world, forests are regrowing on land that was once heavily deforested. Several endangered animal populations have rebounded after conversations.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  Therapy.

• 55:45Speaker 02

  Add a trap.

• 55:49Speaker 02

  Told them to bite their ideas off.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  The orangutans are feeling.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  Conservation efforts. Uh, coral reefs damaged by warming or pollution have shown signs of regrowth and wildlife is returning to cities. Um, get your urban foxes. I grew up with urban foxes. They were a bit of a nuisance, I'll be honest with you. That's where, um.

• 56:11Speaker 02

  The scene from the in between us with the squirrel came from.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  Because I had a mate, I can't remember, was it a badger or was it a fox? It was either a badger, I think it was a badger.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  Might have been a fox, I can't remember now, my brain's just gone. Um, I had a mate where there was the badger or a fox on the street. And we were walking towards it and uh.

• 56:35Speaker 03

  Or towards the badger or fox.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  And he was like, oh, and we were like, oh, fucking hell, like, oh, God, that's a bit scary, isn't it?

• 56:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:41Speaker 02

  And he went, oh, don't worry, it'll shit itself and run away.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, yeah.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  And uh, and it didn't, it like stood its ground.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  No, they don't.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  And he sort of, we had to hold him back a little bit. Cause he was like a fucking little prick, like sort of wanted to square up to it.

• 56:58Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  He didn't like just see us and like scatter away in into the night. Uh, and that's, and I remember telling Ian and Damon that story and that that sort of became the the squirrel in the car. Where I.

• 57:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  Where Jay runs over a squirrel.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  My other animal thing, I don't know whether I've done said that, said this on here was um, the ants. Remember that in the first film?

• 57:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, what have you got to say about that? Cause I've got a lot to complain about that, but you carry on.

• 57:25Speaker 03

  You were.

• 57:27Speaker 02

  That was another one of those situations where we read the script and go, oh, this is fucking funny. I wonder how they're gonna do that.

• 57:34Speaker 03

  And it was just.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  Jay's got an ant in his mouth and then you go, oh, fucking, I wonder how they, well, I wonder what movie magic they're gonna do that. He's like, oh, we've got a load of ants here. Can you put some in your mouth, please?

• 57:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they had to kind of crawl over you.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:46Speaker 03

  And there was a load of ants.

• 57:47Speaker 02

  They were trained ants.

• 57:48Speaker 03

  And Ben, the director, and the man who trained them was called Merlin.

• 57:50Speaker 02

  Merlin.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  He came on set, he was the ant wrangler.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:53Speaker 03

  And there was a load of ants and Ben was going, okay, to the ants was going and.

• 57:58Speaker 02

  Action.

• 57:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:01Speaker 03

  It was amazing. It was like. Drawing a line.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  If I can carry on for a second, one hopeful takeaway scientists often emphasise is that nature has a strong capacity for self-healing. And then I asked for some specific endangered species that are doing, that are doing a bit better these days. The green sea turtle,

• 58:21Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  Recently reclassified as least concern after decades of conservation with populations increasing about 28% since 1970s.

• 58:32Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  Black rhinos, that's a good one.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  That is a good one.

• 58:35Speaker 02

  That's a good one.

• 58:36Speaker 03

  Everyone loves a, everyone loves a black rhino.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  I mean, they're still near threatened.

• 58:41Speaker 03

  Okay, but presumably there was another category that they were.

• 58:43Speaker 02

  They were, they've gone up from critically endangered. Um, humpback whales.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  These are good, these are good ones. They're all, they're all good, obviously.

• 58:51Speaker 02

  I think a lot, I think a lot of whales have, um, have bounced back after, uh, the historic lows of whaling and using them for oil.

• 59:03Speaker 03

  And you know that the right whale, the right whale, the reason it's called the right whale is literally because it was the right whale to kill.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  Right. No, I don't know that one.

• 59:14Speaker 03

  So that's pretty bad.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  I know the white whale, which I found recent, out recently, that not everyone knows what that reference means.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  It's the thing that Moby Dick's, is it Moby Dick?

• 59:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  He's trying, so the white whale is something that you're never going to get, basically.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you, you, you go on this pointless endeavour.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  What was that company called? Um, was it Pipe Dream? They could be called White Whale if they're, if they're interested in another name.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Um, and just for you, uh,

• 59:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  For the Brexit lot.

• 59:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  Um, the Weds, the, the Wed, the Red Squirrel.

• 59:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, okay.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Uh, has expanded its range and numbers in parts of Scotland.

• 59:52Speaker 03

  Good.

• 59:52Speaker 02

  After reintroduction and habitat work. I think they've started doing, um, beaver

• 59:58Speaker 02

  stuff in Scotland.

• 1:00:01Speaker 03

  Started doing beaver stuff.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  I don't think it helps that I look straight at you, little mate.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, but luckily you then got back on track by saying that they've started doing beaver stuff.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  No, I'm just saying, girl power.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  I'm really enjoying the new Beaver stuff.

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  I think they've, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  I think we're really looking after the Beavers.

• 1:00:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  Now.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  Treating them with a bit of respect.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  But, you know, things like the ozone layer, do you remember the ozone layer was such a big deal in the 90s?

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  Well, one, one place is closed, but I know I'm not showing off, but I've said it twice now, I was in New Zealand recently. And in Auckland, they have still got the hole. So you get burnt really easily, even if it's not particularly hot.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  Whereas I think in Australia, where I've also been.

• 1:00:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was a great big hole in Australia, wasn't there?

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  There was a hole there, and I think that might have, I don't, I mean, don't, again, don't quote me on this, I'm a travel boy. We've travelled, Hull. What's come to me is it, oh, here comes Hull.

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  I think, and might not be true, but I think that might have closed up, but the other one, but yeah, that is, it was CFCs, wasn't it?

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 03

  We stopped doing that.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  It's hairspray.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  Again, we can get our shit to get like.

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:19Speaker 03

  Sometimes people manage to organise together and do something good.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  Also, I think we are.

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  It's possible.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  I think we are taking steps and I think we are doing that. I mean, the amount of fucking bin, uh, boxes I've got in my house is ridiculous. But I do it.

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Do it every week.

• 1:01:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  Everything's split up.

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  Some stuff's washed, which is mental.

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  I wash stuff. I'm washing out pots all the time.

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  They are washing rubbish, but I'm doing it for the good of the planet.

• 1:01:48Speaker 03

  It's true. Yeah, I am washing, I'm washing rubbish as well.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  I don't think we get reminded enough that those little things that we're doing and we're all working hard.

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  You're quite right. I think, I think in general, people are motivated.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  And I think, I think Edinburgh specifically should give us a fucking break every once in a while.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  Well.

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  While we watch one of these amazing, incredible documentaries.

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  And then he comes and tells us off at the end of it.

• 1:02:10Speaker 03

  I do agree with you about praise though. I think in general, people in general are not shamed into changing their behaviour. Like, if you had.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Need a little bit of.

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  If you had, if you had, if you had a toxic behaviour.

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  There was, I say, yeah, say you had a behaviour that was harming you. Say you had an addiction.

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  Right? And you go to a therapist, they wouldn't go, you fucking piece of shit. How have you gotten to this state?

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  Other people have managed to avoid this. Why have you, like, they would say, look, you're loved, you're worth something. Like, I don't, the idea that, like, you can kind of.

• 1:02:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, shame people into being better, I, I think is visibly and with five seconds reflective thought, not true.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  I just, we all know that's not true.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Need a little, we, we did, we did.

• 1:02:53Speaker 03

  Tell people that, treat them greatly and they will become great.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Be truthful.

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  Be truthful with people and they will, was it, if you're, if we're facing the right direction, all we need to do.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  Keep on walking.

• 1:03:06Speaker 03

  Keep on walking. Are you reading these? What? You're reading these? Yeah. Well, no, I've just not to see, right, it's who's giving it. Oh, okay.

• 1:03:13Speaker 02

  Des Ray.

• 1:03:13Speaker 03

  Des Ray.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  Um, anyway.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  It's your foot.

• 1:03:16Speaker 04

  Do you want to end this episode? I think it'd be nice.

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:03:21Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no, I, I meant with something more, I've got something more for you.

• 1:03:25Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, oh, yeah.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  I just wondered whether to.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  Oh, did you say, do you want to end this episode with something nice?

• 1:03:30Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  Oh, I thought you said, do you want to end this episode? It would be nice.

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I thought, I thought you said that as well.

• 1:03:35Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  But also, I took it, I was like, all right, yeah, I know.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  I nodded straight away, I went, I know, I started looking at the thing going, right, where's the thing where I say goodbye?

• 1:03:43Speaker 04

  I just thought because of the theme of the episode, whether it'd be nice to maybe look down the barrel and just give our viewers slash listeners a nice little motivational message to get them through the day after the Monday.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:03:55Speaker 04

  You've got something.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Simple.

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  You're doing great, you're doing your best. That's all anyone can expect of you.

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  If anyone demands anything more than your best, then they're, they're, they're being unreasonable.

• 1:04:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, uh, shall I do one?

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  I think that, I mean, this is a bit of a cliche, but like, it'll all be all right in the end, and if it's not all right, it's not the end.

• 1:04:20Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:04:22Speaker 03

  All right, I saw that rip.

• 1:04:24Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  It's powerful stuff, I'm, I don't, I'm not the first one to say that, but it's true.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  Is that Des Ray again?

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  It might be Des Ray.

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  Money don't make my world go round.

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  I'm reaching out for higher ground.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  To a warm and peaceful place. I can rest my weary face. Why do you want to work here? Because we're living, we're living. That's it. In a crazy maze. Why do you want to work? That's it. Shoot. Right, don't forget that you can get in touch with us. It's for yourself and Asia. Thank you for listening. Right, thank you very much for listening to whatever that was. We'll be back next week armed with some more fact chats and bringing animal species back. And don't forget that you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true to you or whatever nonsense you'd like to tell us by emailing us.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Our email is [email protected]. We've got a WhatsApp number, 07822 034330. And you can also message us on our social media profile, which is at joandjamespod. And all that's in the description if that didn't make sense. So there you go. This is a podcast episode for you. Thank you very much. All the best. Keep up the great work. Bye.

• 1:05:49Speaker 05

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