The Fourth Emergency Service: Gladiators

This week Joe Thomas and James Buckley discuss hanging out with the cast of Skins and Gladiators, being asked to watch ‘2 girls on cup’ on the set of The Inbetweeners and Jay Cartwright influenced a listener’s sex life… PLUS the Fact Boys decide on the origins of the ‘High Five’ GET IN TOUCH: Whatsapp us - wa.me/447822034330 http://wa.me/447822034330 Fill in our Fact Up Form - https://forms.gle/uzF6XWPqaA5aNTtN7 Subscribe on Youtube - www.youtube.com/@JoeandJamesPod/videos http://www.youtube.com/@JoeandJamesPod/videos Follow us on Instagram - www.instagram.com/joeandjamespod http://www.instagram.com/joeandjamespod Follow us on TikTok - www.tiktok.com/@joeandjamespod http://www.tiktok.com/@joeandjamespod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:33Speaker 01

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• 1:06Speaker 02

  Do you remember when we went to T4 on the beach?

• 1:09Speaker 03

  Um, yes.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  That was bizarre. That was really bizarre. I think we'd done one series of The Inbetweeners.

• 1:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  So, most people didn't care about us at that point in our lives. And we went to T4 on the beach, it was miles and miles away. Western Supermeier, wasn't it? So far away.

• 1:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, we were with the Skins cast.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  We were with the Skins cast. And we were on this bus, on a coach, with Skins cast, EastEnders cast, and the Gladiators. The Gladiators were around at the time. And, uh...

• 1:43Speaker 03

  They always wear their costume as well. I did, I did, um, I did Celebrity Weakest Link. Not Weakest Link, one of, I don't know, fuck, one of them. Was it Weakest Link? It was Weakest Link.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  Was it Ramesh doing it?

• 1:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was Ramesh.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's Weakest Link, that one.

• 1:54Speaker 03

  And the Gladiators were on after us, and they were just all in their leotards. And I was like, can't they let you?

• 1:59Speaker 02

  No, they're always ready, mate. In case of emergency.

• 2:03Speaker 02

  That's what happens. If you dial nine nine nine, they'll go, what services do you want? Fire ambulance, police?

• 2:08Speaker 03

  I know, gladiators. They haven't got time to pull up. They take ages. They take ages to get on as well, doesn't it?

• 2:13Speaker 02

  She's got a towel cup and stuff.

• 2:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  But I remember we got, we arrived, it took us about, I don't know, fuck it. We left at like four o'clock in the morning or something stupid like that. And then we got there and one of the Skins people, I didn't really watch Skins. I was in it. I keep forgetting that. I was actually in an episode. I was in like a scene of Skins.

• 2:31Speaker 03

  You were in everything at that time?

• 2:32Speaker 02

  I was.

• 2:33Speaker 03

  There wasn't, you were another thing as well.

• 2:35Speaker 02

  There was lots of stuff that I just popped up in. And, um, and one of the cast from Skins, they were like, right, this is where we're getting off. And I remember he got off the bus and just went, let's fucking have it! And just sprinted off into the horizon and I never saw him again.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  Oh, that is.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  Never saw him again. Can't tell you which one it was. I don't know which one. Um, the problem with the Skins lot was, I mean, I think they were playing their age. Like a lot of them were like sort of fourteen, fifteen.

• 3:08Speaker 03

  They were just a load of children.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:10Speaker 03

  And we were like, oh, well, I don't know about that.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  Had a pipe and we're like, calm down, boys. Um, but one of the, one of the.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  That's a bit much.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  I remember when we went to the, uh, the first comedy awards.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  Which was great. That was one of my favourite days.

• 3:25Speaker 03

  It was amazing that. And I, I remember that because I wore completely their own clothes.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  They were like, it's white, they were like, it's black tie. And I was like, come on. So I was wearing like a, I wore plaid shirt.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  Is that right? I can't remember that.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I was framed out. When we won.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  They just went.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:46Speaker 03

  I wore a plaid shirt and stood back.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  Right. But how old was you? When we were doing?

• 3:52Speaker 03

  Like a shepherd.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  When um, when we were doing, so the first series, what was you, like twenty two, something like that?

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Twenty, I turned twenty three on the, pretty much the final day of shooting.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  Right, I was nineteen.

• 4:08Speaker 03

  I turned twenty, I turned twenty four on the final day of shooting.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  Fucking hell.

• 4:12Speaker 03

  I was already old, I was already going like.

• 4:14Speaker 02

  I must have turned twenty or something while we were doing it then.

• 4:17Speaker 03

  You were the only one.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  I was, I was still a teenager when we started, yeah.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  You could have, well, you're famous, you were in Skins. If I was in Skins, I would have had to play like a teacher or something.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely. But when we were um, when we were, so I, you know, by the time the, the show had gone out, we were all definitely in our twenties by the time that first series had gone out.

• 4:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  And when we were at this awards, the comedy awards, the, the uh, Skins cast were there as well. And I remember one of them coming up, it was the little, the little fellow with the glasses, nice chap.

• 4:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's a, he's a bit of a weed smoker in it, isn't he?

• 4:52Speaker 02

  I don't know, I'm not sure. Yeah, he is, yeah. He ca- he came up to me and um, he was like, he was really nice, he was really, uh, saying just how much he enjoyed the show in between. I was like, oh man, thank you. And he went, oh, and by the way, you uh, you wanna drink? And he like pulled back his, his suit jacket and he had like a hip flask. He went, let me know. And I went, well, there's a bar there, I can just.

• 5:20Speaker 03

  No, but if you want specifically.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  I was like, but.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  You want specifically this?

• 5:25Speaker 02

  I went, I was going, but they're free. They've got like an open bar, like it's brilliant, like it's great. And I think he thought I was a sixteen year old.

• 5:31Speaker 03

  That's amazing. That's, that's so good.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  But we went to uh, yeah, we went to.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  And that's just a bottle of anything he's got from his dad's. So I don't know what it is.

• 5:41Speaker 02

  It was neat Robinsons.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  It wasn't, it wasn't watered down at all whatsoever.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  We went to Weston Supermarket, but I remember when we went, we did a bit on stage.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  Oh god.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  And it was just one of those situations where if anyone was on stage, all these kids were gonna go mental. And they were, they were going absolutely mental. And then when we, when we came off this stage, we had to go through the crowd. And there was these massive security guards that formed, they held hands and formed a circle around us.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  And, and it was like, whoa, fucking hell, this is nuts. This is mental, right? Is this what it's like to be famous? Like, this is insane. And then as we sort of got a bit away from the stage, the security guards just were, just slowly released. And just stood away from us and just realised that nobody was.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  Nobody was like coming after us or wanting to grab some of our hair or something like that.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  What were we doing? What did we do on stage? What is this thing that you just get on stage and be like?

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Like throwing things out to people. Yeah.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  Well.

• 6:47Speaker 02

  Are you all having a good time?

• 6:49Speaker 03

  Yep, and.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  I can't hear you.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:52Speaker 02

  You can do better than that.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is. No matter, you kind of think, oh, if I'm, you see people on stage going like, oh. Oh, that was a bit disappointing. Yeah, like you can do better. And you're like, oh god, that's so lame. If I was on stage, I'd say something much cooler. And then you're on stage and you're like. Who's on, you can do better. Like, it's just, it's just, there isn't, that's all you can say on stage.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  You become sort of a footballer doing a, a post-match interview. You just say the same stuff all the time.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  We had, um.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  We had Ronnie Irani in our school once. It was quite sweet because we were giving him one of them big cheques.

• 7:28Speaker 03

  And, um, I don't know what for.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  Was you rud hole?

• 7:33Speaker 03

  Obviously, yeah.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  Roy Hud. Was it? I get those mixed.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  It's what I had planned. So that's now.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  That's ruined.

• 7:40Speaker 03

  It's in my head. Beak.

• 7:44Speaker 03

  With that.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  Um, and he went, um, I might have the accent wrong, but I feel like he did have this accent. He went, thank you for the check. I'm going to, uh, I don't, I, why, I don't know why he'd have a West Country. I feel like, I feel like he had a West Country accent. Um, I'll take this, I'll take this check away from me, with me. Obviously, obviously not in my pocket, because it was big. And we were like, huh, quite good.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:08Speaker 03

  And then he went, anyway, thanks for having me and thanks for the check. Um, obviously won't be taking it away in my pocket. We were like, oh, you did, you did just do that.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  You've done the same joke again.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  I was, it was, you know, it was good. And if you've, and I've been there, if it's what you've got, if it's what you've got, it's what you've got. And you're doing it, you're not wondering it again. If you can't, you can't say nothing. I have been on stage.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:31Speaker 03

  And, and literally said nothing.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:33Speaker 03

  People, people don't like it, man.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  No, they have a problem with that. They don't like that one.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  Just, yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 02

  The waving.

• 8:40Speaker 03

  It's just the waving. Yeah. What if it was a little bit, it's a little bit.

• 8:46Speaker 02

  Cretin.

• 8:47Speaker 03

  Cretin. And he doesn't even rip it?

• 8:49Speaker 02

  No, yeah.

• 8:49Speaker 03

  That's what's so good. He's like, no, that'd be fine.

• 8:52Speaker 02

  Um, you should probably get that dry cleaned. Right. Anyway, anyway, speaking of which, right?

• 8:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  I've been loving, um, just to sort of, just, we, we banked a load of episodes. This is the first time we've sat here.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  In, what, about two months or something?

• 9:08Speaker 03

  We've had a, a big time off, haven't we?

• 9:10Speaker 02

  You were off away.

• 9:11Speaker 03

  I grew a moustache and then got rid of it again. And now just out of, um.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  It's coming back again.

• 9:16Speaker 03

  It's coming back again now, because I didn't have time to shave this morning.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  It's fine.

• 9:19Speaker 03

  I said this morning, the middle of the day.

• 9:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, but I've been, I love the comments. Specifically what I love about the comments as the episodes have been coming out is that our shared with, uh, between us and the viewer.

• 9:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  Viewer, listener.

• 9:32Speaker 03

  Well, they're viewing, aren't they?

• 9:33Speaker 02

  Audience, yeah.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  I don't know why, I don't know why people want to look at two people in a chair.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  Don't knock it.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  I actually have got a bit used to it now.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  Two girls, one chair.

• 9:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  I'd watch that.

• 9:45Speaker 03

  Do you remember when we were supposed to watch that in the in-betweeners? Yeah.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  I think we spoke about that, didn't we?

• 9:49Speaker 04

  I don't know if you have.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  We've not spoke about that.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  They wanted the, they wanted the beginning of the in-between. This was our, this was our, this was our audience.

• 9:57Speaker 02

  This is what the people like.

• 9:58Speaker 04

  It's what the people want.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  This was our audience.

• 10:00Speaker 04

  I'm not interrupting.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  I think a lot of the comments were the things like, shut up, Lily May.

• 10:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm zipped.

• 10:04Speaker 02

  Fucking hell, going in for Lily May. Which, by the way, I won't stand for.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  Because, you know.

• 10:11Speaker 03

  It's well, my, one of, one of my favourite bits in the stuff we've done was where we're talking about the trenches or something. And then Lily May goes, this is the Christmas episode.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:24Speaker 03

  So, yeah.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  Let me carry on about the comments. Our shared love of the XFM shows.

• 10:28Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:29Speaker 02

  Especially.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  I will just say this, because I think I mentioned that, like, I've got all those XFM shows and I got them years ago. And I went to some dodgy websites trying to get them.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  Like, and I even wanted to listen to them again recently. But the only way, because I don't have that laptop that I downloaded them from.

• 10:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  The only way I can listen to them is through an old iPod that I've got.

• 10:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  Because they're all on that iPod.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:53Speaker 02

  They're on fucking someone's.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  They're on Spotify.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, they, they are on Spotify.

• 10:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  No, I know, this was, this was a very rare example of me being.

• 11:00Speaker 02

  I mean, it's brilliant, it's absolutely brilliant.

• 11:01Speaker 03

  There's something I knew about technology that you didn't know. I was like, they are, they're all Spotify. They, um, they were.

• 11:07Speaker 04

  Because I messaged you about it.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, they were on, they were on YouTube and, um, they were on YouTube. They'd been uploaded by a guy called Man Moth, called, called himself Man Moth. Which is a reference to when Carl thinks that.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  Man Moth?

• 11:20Speaker 03

  Man Moth. And they're like, what do you, what do you imagine? He's like, she's got a little head. And they're like, what is he like? He's like, just quite surprised. Surprised.

• 11:30Speaker 03

  And then, so they're on, they're on YouTube and there was a little community there. So the comments underneath on there were like, they're all really nice. Like, there was one bit where one, one guy had said, the only time I've ever seen somebody apologise for a previous comment that they've made. And he, somebody literally went on saying like, I'm really sorry, I put some stuff last night. I was like, I was like a bit stoned and like, I just wasn't really with it. And like, I'm just really sorry, I don't really, I'm not really like that. And everyone was like, that's all right, mate. I was like, I think that's the first time that's ever happened on the internet. It was extraordinary. Uh, and I think people like, people listen to it to like, um.

• 12:09Speaker 03

  You know, just to kind of soothe them. It was a lovely community.

• 12:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  And now they're on Spotify, but yeah, that isn't, it's funny that you were saying.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  I just wish.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  It's a bit like, it was a bit like you.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  I don't think I'd maybe explained enough how I thought that they were these last episodes. And I was like, fucking hell, so many people have listened to this. We found our audience. This is great because this is so niche.

• 12:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  And like hardly anyone I have ever spoken to really like, they know the Ricky Gervais podcast and stuff. Sure.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  But the old XFM shows and I used to, I did have the, the XFM did put out like an official thing. It was like volume one, two and three.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  It was just like best ofs and it wasn't all the, there was like loads of great stuff missing.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  It was, it was such a small selection.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  But someone could have gave me a heads up in the comments is what I'm saying. Just going Buckley, you don't, you know, it's quite easy to listen to them now.

• 12:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. It was a bit like you saying you had access to like some Beatles records or something.

• 13:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  Some first, first prints, first copies of.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  I've got, I've got a mate in America who sends the vinyls over.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:11Speaker 03

  Wasn't there an entire genre of music in like Crewe or somewhere that was literally just based on the fact that somebody who lived there had a friend in America. This is like the sixties.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, that makes sense.

• 13:24Speaker 03

  It was called like, it was called like Dance Hall or something.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  You just can't appreciate that. You cannot appreciate that. When the Beatles, when you listen to old interviews of the Beatles and stuff like that, and they talk about how, just how music, unless it was jazz.

• 13:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Um, how music just like, you couldn't get it. It was so unobtainable. And yet it had to come from America. Like it had to be, someone had to have a, a contact in America to get it shipped over and stuff. Anyway, what the, what are we doing?

• 13:53Speaker 04

  Well, I actually think just at risk of um, upsetting myself, but you were going to talk about the two girls.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  A two girls one cup. Yeah. So this is a good.

• 14:03Speaker 04

  And I do think people do want to hear that.

• 14:04Speaker 03

  So this is a good, um, this gives you a good idea of the in between his audience because they wanted to just start it with us watching it.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  And we were like, well, will people know that that's what we're watching? Cause they were just going to show the back of the laptop screen. And Ian and Damon went, they'll know from the music.

• 14:21Speaker 02

  They'll know from the music. And, but they said to us, have you boys seen two girls one cup? And none of us had seen it.

• 14:27Speaker 03

  No.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  And they were like, right. And this was, this was the, the height of two girls one cup. By the way, there was, it was two girls one cup mania going on.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  They were Christmas number one.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 14:38Speaker 03

  They were turning on the Christmas lights.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  No, that was the cheeky girls.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  That was cheeky girls.

• 14:42Speaker 02

  I always get those mixed up.

• 14:46Speaker 02

  So, and they were like, have you seen it? We're like, no, we've not seen it. And they're like, right, do not watch it. We're like, right, okay, we won't watch it. And, and we were out of the loop, to be fair. Even though from what I know about it, it's disgusting.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  Such unusual advice to be told.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Don't watch Two Girls.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, because what they wanted to do was, was to put a laptop in front of us in the common room. In the sick form of the in betweeners, where like, where we sort of start and end pretty much every episode. Like it would.

• 15:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  I suppose that's our central perk.

• 15:17Speaker 03

  It is a bit, isn't it?

• 15:18Speaker 02

  The common room.

• 15:19Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  And they were like, we want to get you guys, and we, we're going to film you guys reacting to seeing this for the first time. And that's what's going to go out on television.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  And we're like, right, yeah, no, we like the idea of that. Cause we'd like, we heard it's outrageous. Like it's really disgusting, doesn't it? And we were up for it. We were like, yeah, that sounds like a really funny idea.

• 15:39Speaker 03

  I was up for anything where I didn't have to act.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  I honestly thought, that sounds easy.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, um.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  And so that was the plan. And everyone knew about this plan. And, um, the.

• 15:54Speaker 03

  It was the, I would say it was the biggest bit of planning that was ever done on the in betweeners.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  That was the thing that was so important. It was so important that, that we get their natural reactions to, to Two Girls, One Cup. So, and it was left to props, wasn't it? It was left to design, um, to have the laptop, the, and the video on the laptop ready for us. And, uh, and they just kept asking, have you, is, have you got the video ready? Is the video ready to go? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two minutes, two minutes. Didn't have the video, like just didn't have the video, like never had it. It was just a complete disaster. It was just some porn. And I was like, you want me to react to this? Fucking, watch this every day I'm alive. This is nothing.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  This is boring mate. Um.

• 16:44Speaker 03

  But and also.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  But we never got to watch it.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  Still not watched it?

• 16:47Speaker 02

  No, because then I think by the time we started doing that, I think it got like removed from the internet.

• 16:53Speaker 03

  They took it down.

• 16:54Speaker 02

  I don't think you can, which I think like, how do you get something removed from the internet by the way? Because that's almost impossible, right?

• 17:02Speaker 03

  Well, I guess.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  But that video's gone.

• 17:03Speaker 03

  I suppose it was probably. I don't know, was it?

• 17:09Speaker 02

  I think it was.

• 17:09Speaker 03

  Was it, was it like the, the prime minister? Maybe the prime, maybe the prime minister got it taken down.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  Imagine something being so disgusting that the internet goes, oh.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  That's a bit much, yeah.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  We've gone, we've gone too far here.

• 17:21Speaker 03

  I always think about that. I always think that when I go to a library and I, uh. I used to write. I used to go and write in a library near where I lived. And I used to write in the section whi- which was like.

• 17:41Speaker 03

  The books that the library was now selling. Cause they didn't want them in the library anymore.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  Old books.

• 17:46Speaker 03

  Old stock.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  Old stock books.

• 17:47Speaker 03

  And I used to think this is the most depressing place to write. Cause like, if you're a book and a library doesn't want you, where are you going really?

• 17:56Speaker 02

  Sort of us, isn't it? That's me and you, mate.

• 18:00Speaker 03

  On that shelf.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  That's me and you. Do you remember we used to fucking sell DVDs like hotcakes?

• 18:06Speaker 03

  I know. HMV.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were everywhere.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  That, that dog.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  Now we're sat there on the.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  It's master's voice.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  We're old stock.

• 18:14Speaker 03

  We are old, we're a remaindered stock, aren't we?

• 18:17Speaker 02

  We are.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  Fifty pence, somebody take it, please.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  Even the library doesn't want us.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Even the library doesn't want you.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Oh, well.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  But.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  Anyway.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Anyway, no, but yeah, I, um. So yeah, to this day, I've never, I've never seen Two Girls, One Cup.

• 18:31Speaker 04

  Oh, I feel like we might have to make you watch it now. I think that might have to happen.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  I've not seen it, I've not seen it too. And I feel like it was such a, it was such a sort of.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  Can I, can I actually say, I feel, I feel like it was the last time the country was truly united?

• 18:43Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 18:44Speaker 03

  You know, round the water cooler.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:46Speaker 03

  The whole family, round the telly. Oh, what's on tonight, mum and dad? Two Girls, One Cup.

• 18:50Speaker 02

  There was points down the pub where my mates would be like, oh, look, I'll check this out. And I go, no, I can't watch it. I can't watch it. I cannot watch it.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  For professional reasons.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  I've got to, I've been like, I'm trying to save my reaction to this video.

• 19:03Speaker 03

  It was, I will say, quite sloppy that they didn't have it on the day.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a bit.

• 19:08Speaker 03

  I will say it was fairly sloppy.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  But what was great was that, um.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  And I remember that. It was, it was a still image of some porn.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  And also not particularly, can I say hardcore pornography, just it was.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  I wasn't aroused at all whatsoever.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  I was, I was completely flaccid.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, it was just like looking at.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  I was pancake soft watching this thing. I wasn't doing it. That's not the reaction that I think they wanted.

• 19:35Speaker 03

  If you have a completely numb reaction to Two Girls One Cup, you really have taken things too far, I would say.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Oh, so you're just like, it's not really doing it for me. It's not, I need, I need a bit more extreme.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  But I never got to see, I never got to see Two Girls One Cup. And I feel like I missed out on a cultural event that happened worldwide.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Um, I feel, I genuinely think I would have vomited from what I've been told about what it is. Um, because I can't do piss or shit or vomit. If I hear someone heaving, I want, I, I, it makes me wanna be sick.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  Really?

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Well, do you remember when we were fucking doing Inbetweeners?

• 20:16Speaker 03

  I remember that, yeah.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  And we were like, oh, you need to pretend.

• 20:18Speaker 03

  They were all, they were all for that, yeah. If we were being sick.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  Pretend to be sick. You need to pretend to be sick. So I'd make myself gag and then I would just be sick.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  There was a scene in that tent.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was it.

• 20:29Speaker 03

  Well, it just didn't, I'd lost track of who was pretending to be sick and who was actually being sick.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  It was really horrible.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  There was a bit, I've got a memory of the second Inbetweeners film. We're out, we're in the outback.

• 20:42Speaker 02

  And I, you know, I've got to be honest, I don't know if I've dreamt this up or, um, I've only seen the film once.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  Cooked it up.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  When we went, when we went to the premiere and that was, I don't know, 15 years ago or whatever.

• 20:52Speaker 03

  A while ago, wasn't it?

• 20:53Speaker 02

  Um.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  What happened in the 20s?

• 20:55Speaker 02

  I'm looking at an engine and I'm like heaving or something. Is there something going on? Does Jay throw up in the, in the desert? I've got this memory.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  An engine?

• 21:04Speaker 02

  You know, the car breaks down.

• 21:06Speaker 03

  Maybe. I don't know. You think we, you think that we'd, I get pissed on.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:11Speaker 03

  It's quite, uh, that was tea.

• 21:14Speaker 02

  Just neat tea.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  It was neat tea and also they hadn't bothered to cool it down very much. So I was like, ow. Yeah.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  To be fair, it might have just been the fucking weather. It was so hot.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  It might have just been the weather.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  If you'd left the bottle of water outside, it would have boiled like.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  My god.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  The bloke that ran that hotel was frying a, an egg on the, on a shovel one morning.

• 21:36Speaker 03

  That's incredible.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  That's incredible.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  That's where we filmed.

• 21:39Speaker 03

  You shouldn't be out in, in cooking temperature weather.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  It's.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  Cause we're meat as well. I don't wanna be slow.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  The whole of the in between is either too hot or too cold. It was ne- we were never, ever comfortable.

• 21:52Speaker 03

  We were never comfortable. We were never comfortable. That's completely true. We were.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  Let's film a summer movie during the winter. We're like, alright, we'll do that. You've got to wear, you've got to wear shorts and t-shirts and flip flops and things. Like, great. It was like, oh, we got fed up with filming during the, during the, um, the winter. We're still gonna film during the winter technically. But we're gonna be in the southern hemisphere. So it's their summer in Australia.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  I'm really not a fan of like earth temperatures overlapping with the lower range of cooking temperatures.

• 22:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  Like that really, they shouldn't overlap.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  They shouldn't, shouldn't.

• 22:27Speaker 03

  It shouldn't be like, well, a hundred, uh, well, no, like 24 hours in this temperature and you'll be perfectly cooked.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  You shouldn't be able to flash fry a steak.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  No. I don't want my meat to like fall away from the bone.

• 22:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:41Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean?

• 22:42Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, that was, um, that was unbelievable.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  We need to do a podcast, Joe. How long have we been doing this for?

• 22:51Speaker 04

  Uh, like 25 minutes or so.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  Right, there's a cold open for you.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:55Speaker 04

  Freezing.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Hello.

• 22:58Speaker 03

  Oh, we haven't got a script, haven't we?

• 22:59Speaker 02

  It's frigid. Yeah. It's been a while, hasn't it?

• 23:01Speaker 03

  Haven't done this.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  Honestly, it's been so long. I forgot, um, that I had to buy a train ticket to get into London.

• 23:09Speaker 04

  I don't think you can blame the podcast for that.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  No, no, no. It's just, it's just that it's been such a while since, since we've been here. I was just like, I just turned up at the train station. I was just confused a bit. I was like standing by the barrier going, hang on, there was something I used to do to get through this.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  It's a good job you correctly remembered.

• 23:26Speaker 02

  I did, yeah.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  You could have remembered, oh, I just smashed my way in.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  Joe and James.

• 23:35Speaker 04

  Fact up, yeah. Joe and James, Joe and James, Joe and James, Joe and James, Fact up.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  Anyway, welcome to the podcast. Welcome. Welcome to Joe and James Fact Up. Um, this is the podcast where each week we bring one another a fact we deem interesting. I've not got a fact. I forgot.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  We might have to.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  I did, I did mine, like.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  While you were getting your hair cut.

• 24:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was half an hour late because I got my hair cut.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  You weren't half an hour late, Joe was an hour late, right? Joe was an hour late and he, and, um.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  And it was because I was getting a haircut.

• 24:09Speaker 02

  And we were told by his management that he had an appointment that was, um, that ran over.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  I didn't know they told you that.

• 24:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. They said Joe's, Joe's, um, Joe's, uh, Joe's got, had an appointment that's run over. And they said the word appointment that's run over. So, so we all have to sit there and go, oh, doctor. Oh, he's gone to the doctor and it's not good. So we can't sit here and be angry at him. Anyway, he turns up, the first thing I said to him was, so you got your hair cut? That was the appointment then, wasn't it?

• 24:36Speaker 03

  You didn't see my hair.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I'll say it now.

• 24:39Speaker 03

  I knew, I knew it was gonna show, I was looking at it, I was looking at it in the, I was looking at it in the, it's a real sort of like shape up as well. Like it's really, it's really like, you can see the, the guy's done stuff that tomorrow morning won't look.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Absolutely. In the, by the end of this evening, it will look a bit older.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  It was so fresh and I was like.

• 24:58Speaker 03

  It was really bad.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  He had, he had a hair appointment, that's why, that's why.

• 25:01Speaker 03

  Sometimes I turn up somewhere and it's really obvious I've just had a shower and that's always really embarrassing to me as well.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  Why is that?

• 25:07Speaker 03

  Because I've just had a shower.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  That's a good thing, isn't it?

• 25:09Speaker 03

  No, but if I'm turning.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  I'm the opposite, I turn up and people are like, you need to fucking have a shower.

• 25:13Speaker 03

  No, but what I mean is sometimes, sometimes they're all vaguely embarrassed if I'm like picking my daughter up from nursery and it's like 11:30 and. Uh, because she goes from 8:30 to 11:30.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I know what you mean.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  And I'm like. I don't like the idea that they know that I was showering so close to the middle of the day.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that you, that you've.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  It feels a bit luxurious.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  You've basically only just started your day.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  Only started my day. I have a real thing about like, it always feels, people, we have, we're very suspicious of people who get up late, aren't we? Like, I think we're like, getting up late is really seen as.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  I do it to myself.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  A little bit perverse, like you're a bit of a wrong, and conversely, if you get up early, people are like, oh, well done.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  You know, God loves you.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  I do.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  Like, and why?

• 25:50Speaker 02

  I do it to myself. I don't pose. I don't have a nine to five.

• 25:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  But I'm like, gotta get up.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  Get up.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Gotta get the day started.

• 25:57Speaker 03

  We really, really give ourselves a big old pat on the back if we manage to get up early. And I'm like, why?

• 26:03Speaker 02

  That's how I thought I twisted a bollock because I'd woken up a bit late. So I sprung out of bed.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:09Speaker 02

  Have I told you about this?

• 26:10Speaker 03

  No.

• 26:11Speaker 02

  I thought I twisted, I thought I'd had testicular torsion.

• 26:14Speaker 03

  Because you sprang out of bed?

• 26:15Speaker 02

  No, I woke up and, and it was, and it was about, it was about half hour later than when I wanted to get, wanting to wake up.

• 26:24Speaker 03

  So because that, you're like, fucking hell.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I was like, in my head, I was like, I'm already losing. I'm already losing the, like, I've already, I'm already failing at the day.

• 26:36Speaker 03

  I sometimes feel an almost paralysing sense of shame just because I fell asleep for longer. Yeah.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  I swung the covers off me, like really dramatically, and swang my legs to the side of the bed and just went, oh, like that. And then I had this dull ache for the rest of the day that just kept getting worse. And I was like, I've twisted a bollock. I think I've twisted a bollock. And then I had to call a friend, an emergency. He's, he's my.

• 27:06Speaker 03

  An emergency friend?

• 27:07Speaker 02

  He's my son's friend dad. He's friends, he's friends of ours as well. Like, we know, he's friend, he's our friend. We know him because our kids go to school, went to school together.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  But he's a doctor and basically what ended up happening was.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  Then you call 919, they don't go, do you want fire, police, or do you want son's friend's dad?

• 27:24Speaker 02

  Or gladiators.

• 27:26Speaker 03

  Those are the choices.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  Well, basically what happened was I ended up on the couch in my living room. With my son's friend's dad checking my balls or to make sure I hadn't twisted them.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  Sounds like you carefully contrived a situation just to get this handsome fellow.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  I've got, I've got, I've got history of doing that.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  You're always doing this, aren't you?

• 27:50Speaker 02

  I've got history. I've got the woman, I've got the.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  You're always worried about your balls.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  I've got a female doctor to look in, look at my bum hole because I thought I had piles, well, I didn't. And he said I had twisted it.

• 28:00Speaker 03

  I've, I've done that as well, to be fair. I thought I had, well, I don't, I don't know whether I could say this word, but I thought I had cancer.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Yes. Why can't you say that?

• 28:10Speaker 03

  I don't know. People don't like it, do they? And rightly so.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  No, I don't like cancer either, but the word still exists.

• 28:17Speaker 03

  I thought I had anal cancer.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Because I found hemorrhoids for the first time.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:22Speaker 03

  And I spent a lonely night, a long night of the soul in my hotel room.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Right in a wheel.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  On Google Images, looking at pictures of anal tumors.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:31Speaker 03

  And being like, I just couldn't believe I was out of control there. I just hadn't.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. The old piles, man.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  They didn't tell you about that.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  The irony is, is that a few years later I did get piles.

• 28:42Speaker 03

  That is irony.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  Um, anyway, anyway, welcome to Joe and James Fact Up.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  Each week we bring one another a fact.

• 28:50Speaker 03

  Each week we define a word. This week, irony.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Bring one another a fact we do. This is a long one, isn't it? This is gonna be a long one.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  It's gonna be a longer, yeah.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Uh, not done the intro.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  Haven't done the intro yet.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  Done the intro. Our policy is the more interesting.

• 29:02Speaker 03

  I've got to go and move the car in a bit as well.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  You do. I know you do. Let me do, let me read this bit and then maybe we'll take a break.

• 29:07Speaker 03

  Which by the way, cost me £24. Two hours parking.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  £24. That's all right.

• 29:12Speaker 03

  Two hours pa- two hour, £24 to park.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  That comes out of production, doesn't it?

• 29:14Speaker 03

  Tell you about it, nowhere, nowhere at all.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Each week we bring one another a fact that we deem interesting and our policy is the more interesting, the more true it is. We'll also dig into the weird things that you'd like to think are true, but don't want to research yourself in a segment that we're calling Fact Check. Um, so we want you to send in your facts for us. Our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp number is 07822 034330.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  Also, if you find any weird videos off the internet, like two girls and one cup, you can send those as well.

• 29:48Speaker 04

  I'm expecting lots of links next week.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  And our socials are at Joe and James Pod and you can watch all our episodes in full on YouTube. Just search for Joe and James Fact Up. Now, let's get fact up.

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• 31:48Speaker 02

  Oh, we should do a bit of talking about how you're doing JT.

• 31:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, okay.

• 31:57Speaker 03

  Oh, sorry. I see, yeah. What's funny is I was up for it because I was like, we haven't actually really spoken about how I am.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  No.

• 32:03Speaker 03

  And I do think the podcast is mainly about to check in on me. I feel like the reason you do this is because you're like, it's good for Joe to have a regular kind of get out of the house type thing. Yeah.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, careful.

• 32:16Speaker 03

  I know.

• 32:18Speaker 03

  But like, you know, when you take an old person out and you're like, they just don't, they just, they just never get hugged anymore. And, and I think, I feel like you're doing, and so thank you. I, you know, I know you'd, you're too nice to mention it, but I do appreciate it.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  I do have quite a big, successful podcast that I do with my wife.

• 32:34Speaker 03

  I know. You don't need to do this.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  I know. And, and look, and, um, and it's nice of,

• 32:42Speaker 02

  No, I don't need to do it.

• 32:43Speaker 03

  It's nice of Claire to, to share you with me as well. Honestly, I mean it. I'm not, I'm not, honestly, I,

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Claire would be happy to give me to you.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  Ooh, well, don't, don't tempt me. Well, um, it's an intriguing, uh,

• 32:58Speaker 02

  To have new possibilities.

• 33:03Speaker 03

  I was like, why am I miming this?

• 33:06Speaker 02

  I'm having mic problems now as well. What, um, what have we got here, Lily, mate? Is this, is this a message from someone called Scott?

• 33:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, we've had some responses. Well, this is a response to, um, your call out for people who are inspired by The Inbetweeners.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 33:21Speaker 03

  Inspired, yes.

• 33:22Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  I meant professionally.

• 33:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  I meant sort of like, if there's any sort of up and coming comedians or sitcoms and is this going to be like, oh, I was, I was inspired by The Inbetweeners, so I started having a wank in an old people's home.

• 33:39Speaker 04

  Hmm, might be.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  Might be that. Right, okay. So Scott's here.

• 33:42Speaker 03

  It's more that.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  Scott sent us a WhatsApp message. Not sure if I was to email or if I could send in here. It's already sounding very in-betweeners, useless, sort of out of his depth.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  But my name's Scott.

• 33:57Speaker 03

  Unnecessary preamble.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  My name's Scott.

• 33:59Speaker 03

  Tried to send in this. I was thinking about sending it and thought I would and here it is.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  My name's Scott and I heard yous talking about the moments from the Inbetweeners that people copied or tried. My story's embarrassing. So when I went to lose my virginity for the first time, that's usually when you lose it, isn't it? It was with a girl in my year at school. We were 15 years old. The first night I went to put it in.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  But I came on a leg before it went in.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  I went home extremely embarrassed, but I watched the episode of the Inbetweeners that night where Jay says to Simon he should wank before it. And a couple of nights go by and we go again. It's tactical wank.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  A tactical wank?

• 34:41Speaker 02

  Um, I had a wank in her toilet exactly like the episode. And then the episode basically happened in real life. I couldn't get it up. I started punching my willy.

• 34:52Speaker 04

  No, he said he didn't.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry.

• 34:57Speaker 02

  I didn't start punching my willy, but instead faked a phone call from my mum saying something has happened and I need to be home urgent. I didn't lose my virginity for another year and the only time she spoke to me after that was when her and her friends were laughing at me in the corridors.

• 35:11Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  Thanks lads. Don't thank us.

• 35:13Speaker 03

  No, I mean, I suppose it's, I suppose there's a, there's a, there's a trace of a a trace of irony in that. Thank you. I suppose, I mean, I'm so, I'm so sorry about all that. It's some, I don't think that the tactical wank is meant to be good advice in the, in the, in the show. I think, I think it's meant to be a classic piece of like.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  This is the, this is the problem with the Inbetweeners.

• 35:35Speaker 03

  It's not.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  People come up to me and they go, they don't know me personally.

• 35:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  They think I'm Jay from the Inbetweeners, right?

• 35:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  And they go, you're such a legend. You're my hero. Like I've had loads of people say those words to me. I'm like, I don't.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  No.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  Like, the whole lesson, like every episode, the lesson is at the end of the episode, don't listen to Jay.

• 35:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would have.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Don't take any advice from Jay, don't listen to Jay, he talks bollocks. Do, if you can do the opposite of what Jay suggests or says, then you'll be in a better place than what you were at the beginning.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  And in, and in the episode, it's not as though Simon follows Jay's advice to his great success.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:16Speaker 03

  So it's funny, I mean.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, also, like.

• 36:18Speaker 03

  I'm really, I do, I have to say, I feel really, I'm so, I feel really sorry for Scott that this happened and I had to say, it's, it shows refreshing vulnerability to share this.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:29Speaker 03

  It's, you know, good on you for that, it's a funny story and I, and hats off to you for that. And actually it takes a bit of a, takes a bit of bravery to share that and.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Scott, I'm just fucking.

• 36:38Speaker 03

  I'm sure the girl didn't mind and it is, is a funny story and the phone call for the mum is funny.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  I don't know, yeah, to be honest.

• 36:47Speaker 03

  It's such a hard thing to face.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  At fifteen years old, I would have done anything to have come on a girl's leg.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  I know, fifteen, I mean, in a way.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  I mean, he's a fucking legend in my eyes for getting that far.

• 36:56Speaker 03

  Absolute lad, yeah.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  How the fuck's he managed that?

• 37:00Speaker 03

  On the leg, no less.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  On the older, yeah, Wet Leg. What?

• 37:04Speaker 03

  Wet Leg, the band.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that's where they got their name from.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  She formed Wet Leg after this.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  She did.

• 37:11Speaker 03

  And, you know, now they're, and now they're riding high in the charts.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  That girl went on to form Wet Leg.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  So it's all, oh, we're laughing over in the corridors.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  Oh, well, do you know what, man?

• 37:25Speaker 03

  Oh, well.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  I just wouldn't, I don't know what this says about me. Like, I'd be like, I just wouldn't be ashamed. I was like, yeah.

• 37:33Speaker 03

  I would have, yeah, I wasn't anywhere.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  Came on her leg. I would be bragging about it.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  At fifteen.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  Fifteen.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  Scott, you're a ledge, mate.

• 37:41Speaker 03

  Honestly, I was still balls deep in Championship manager at fifteen, that's what I was doing. Just, or just endless Championship manager.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  I remember, um, I don't know if this, this is how uncool I was. I thought my mate's older brother, my mate, my mate had an older brother that was a couple of years above us. That's above us, by the way. And, um.

• 38:02Speaker 03

  Time.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  And, uh, and, uh.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  Him and his mates, they were like in year 11 or whatever, and we were like in year eight, year nine.

• 38:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  Him and his mates bunked off school, the, the release day of Championship Manager to go out and buy it. And I was just like, fucking hell, legends, they're so cool.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  It's like, I'm good, I'll have to get it at the weekend or something like that.

• 38:28Speaker 03

  They bunked off school to buy what is essentially a database that you can interact with a bit.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  It's a brilliant game.

• 38:33Speaker 03

  It is a good game.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  It's a brilliant game.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Also haven't paid it, paid it.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  Played it?

• 38:37Speaker 03

  Played it. No, paid it. I haven't paid it since, I think, 2000.

• 38:44Speaker 02

  Really? Oh, it's so good. It's Football Manager now, Scott. Anyway, I don't, I don't wanna get bogged down, but shout out.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  The players start getting injured.

• 38:50Speaker 02

  Shout out to Miles and the gang. They make a brilliant game. Um, I've got an, I've got an email here from Christopher as well, Joe. Who says, there is an American company trying to bring back underground pipes for delivering stuff dead fast in cities called Pipe Dream Labs. Can I click that?

• 39:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, you can. There's a link to it and it's, yeah, delivering stuff via dildo tubes, but they're bringing it back.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Dildo tubes are coming back?

• 39:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, big time.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  What do I do?

• 39:18Speaker 03

  Click up anything in 15 seconds or less.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 39:21Speaker 04

  They're also using, do you know those little car robots as well that like drive around neighbourhoods?

• 39:26Speaker 02

  Oh, they've got little solar panels on their backs and stuff?

• 39:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think they're using those as well.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Oh, look at this. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you're gonna have to put up a visual for this.

• 39:34Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Uh, Pipe.

• 39:35Speaker 03

  Oh, look, here we go. Here's a, here's a.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  PipeDreamLabs.co.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  Another client. He's run out of wine. God, God, run out of booze.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, they've got little, what I would describe as mine carts.

• 39:52Speaker 02

  Drive, like in pipes, in tiny pipes going around the city. I don't know, they're not the dildo tubes.

• 39:59Speaker 04

  Not the same.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  No, you need to have the phallic pod. And it, there needs to be sucking. There needs to be some suction going on.

• 40:07Speaker 03

  It's really, it is cool though.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  It is really cool. It'll never happen. I mean, they're literally called Pipe Dream. They're not.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a bit of a Freudian slip.

• 40:24Speaker 02

  But good luck.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  What's your company called? Pie in the Sky.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Good luck. Right, it is, it's probably time to, for us to present our facts.

• 40:34Speaker 03

  How do I get back to the script?

• 40:36Speaker 02

  I just don't have a fact for you, Joe. I've just not got one.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  This is awful. I was an hour late. You haven't got a fact.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just forgot everything about doing this.

• 40:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  What we do to do this. I forgot to do any prep. I forgot to get a fact.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  You have worn a shirt that you thought I would appeal to me because of my point about.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  You said that men dress.

• 40:57Speaker 03

  As though they're about to do a job of work.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:59Speaker 03

  Or just, I think maybe you've just come from a job of work.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  That's what, and it's, so what is that? That's a kind of.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  American mechanic.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. So the, the fact of the matter is, James doesn't have a fact.

• 41:11Speaker 02

  It's, it's the time of the show where I would usually present a fact. It's, and I'll be honest, right? It's a fact about Tony.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  With famous Tonys.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  Famous Tonys. And there is, there is, and I, and I do, there is, there are famous Tonys. And I did have a brief little look there. Nothing funny or entertaining.

• 41:33Speaker 04

  You've done your, your homework last minute and that's okay.

• 41:36Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  That's okay. We've, we've had a great episode so far.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  It was a hard, it was a hard one. It was a hard one.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  Off with my head is what happens. I'll get executed now.

• 41:44Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  We'll get in.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  So let's, let's go.

• 41:47Speaker 03

  Skins.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Let's go to fact check.

• 41:50Speaker 04

  It's the theme.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  Do you want to do it, Joe? Yeah.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 41:54Speaker 02

  It is time to fact check. This is the part of the episode where we, we'll be reading a fact or a question that you'd like us, us to get to the bottom of. Then we're going to have a good think during the break and we'll come back and let you know how true it feels to us. Because that's the rule. It's a fact, the more interesting it is.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  That's.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Which is straight, again, once again, straight out of Carl Pilkington's playbook.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  Yes, it is. Yeah, it is that, isn't it?

• 42:23Speaker 02

  If it's more, if it's very interesting, he just goes with it.

• 42:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right. He says something like, a bit of guesswork is pretty close to the truth sometimes. Or maybe most of the time, I don't know. But yeah, that's his. That's what he thinks.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  That's his philosophy.

• 42:38Speaker 03

  I suppose.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  I subscribe to it.

• 42:40Speaker 03

  Does it ring true, basically?

• 42:41Speaker 04

  We've actually had a listener who submitted a jingle for If It's So Fact It Hurts, which is a term you coined, James, a few episodes ago.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  Don't remember that.

• 42:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  No, well, you've forgot, you've forgotten many things.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  But I don't know.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  You've forgotten the basic format of the show.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  Well, New Year, New Me, so I just completely erased

• 43:04Speaker 03

  Just wipe it.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  All my thoughts and feelings and memories.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  Imagine that. Is that what It's Turned On Sunshine and Spot His Mind is about? You can just wipe memories you don't want anymore?

• 43:12Speaker 02

  I guess so, yeah.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  Haven't watched it, and I don't think there's any way I could. So how can I be expected to know?

• 43:16Speaker 02

  My alarm's going off. Let me snooze that.

• 43:19Speaker 03

  Was that?

• 43:20Speaker 02

  I've got to collaborate on an Instagram post.

• 43:22Speaker 04

  Do you want to do that real quick?

• 43:23Speaker 02

  No, let's do, Joe, you read this fact.

• 43:25Speaker 04

  Well, do you want me to? Do you want me to play you the jingle that we had sent him?

• 43:30Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 43:31Speaker 03

  So Fact It Hurts?

• 43:32Speaker 04

  Yes, so this comes from Mark, and he's created a jingle for If We Ever Decide If Something's So Fact It Hurts.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  It's really fact.

• 43:39Speaker 03

  This is great.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  It's 200% fact.

• 43:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  So here we go. This is from Mark. So Fact It Hurts!

• 43:49Speaker 03

  That's incredible. Does he just not say hurts at the end? It just so fact it and then.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  No, he did say hurts.

• 43:54Speaker 04

  He does say hurts. I think it's just so sort of melded with the music.

• 43:57Speaker 03

  There's so much like, um, riding guitar over the top. Is that what it's called?

• 44:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  Thanks, Mark. Your alarm's going off now as well.

• 44:04Speaker 03

  My phone's ringing, but, um.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Right, get, read this fact, and then we can have a break and we can sort out all the other shit that we've got going on.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  Who's ringing me?

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Is that a fire alarm?

• 44:15Speaker 03

  It's not. No, it's all right. It'll be fine. Daddy's at work.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  This is, this is just XFM, this is just the XFM shows. I don't mind it, but we're leaning into it too much.

• 44:26Speaker 03

  We know, we shouldn't leave.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  We've completely ripped off everything.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  I know, and also, quite a lot of our show is just quoting

• 44:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  XFM show, or misquoting.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  Go on, go. What's our?

• 44:35Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  Right, who we got a fact check from?

• 44:37Speaker 03

  So this week's fact check comes from Joe. Oh, more irony.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  Who's asked, is it true that the first hype?

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Is it true that the first high five was actually accidental?

• 44:51Speaker 03

  When two medieval knights tried to swat the same mosquito at the same time? Joe.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  This is the worst episode we've done.

• 44:58Speaker 03

  They both missed the bug. They both missed the bug. But hit each other's hand and thought it felt triumphant, so kept doing it.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Right, hold off, let's go to a break and we'll discuss what we've just heard there.

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• 46:36Speaker 02

  Are we back?

• 46:36Speaker 03

  We're back. So the fact check was, um,

• 46:42Speaker 03

  the idea that-

• 46:43Speaker 02

  It's a brilliant story.

• 46:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  It is a brilliant story.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  Tried to swat the same mosquito. I enjoyed this phrasing. They both missed the bug.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  They both missed the bug. Hit each other's hand.

• 46:55Speaker 03

  Hit each other's hand.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  Do you know what, Riot? When I first read that, I was like, that's fucking stupid. That is absolutely stupid.

• 47:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  But I wouldn't be surprised if there is a historical, that it goes back to medieval times, knights.

• 47:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  Germanic. That's all I say on this podcast.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just, I knew this would happen. If you can jump off onto.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  I don't think, I don't think they were trying to swat the same mosquito, maybe during the crusades.

• 47:33Speaker 03

  The thing is, but also you wouldn't swat a mosquito like against what? Like if, unless the other hand was there, you're not even swatting it. You're just kind of going. It made more sense if it was saying they were actually trying to high five the mosquito.

• 47:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  But then they accidentally, so maybe the real story is it's something that.

• 47:52Speaker 02

  No, people do. People swat stuff out of the air.

• 47:55Speaker 03

  I suppose if it's that high five.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  They'd have to be very close as well. Are they on horseback? That's what I've got in my head. They're on horseback.

• 48:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  He says medieval knights. I don't think that that's, I don't think it's so fact it hurts. But I wouldn't be surprised whether it was a gesture or something that goes far back, further back than you, than you think it would go. The high five.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  The high five.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  I wouldn't be surprised if it was Greek or, or Roman.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  The, the la, the, the phrase high five feels like a product of like California.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:45Speaker 03

  It feels American. I don't know why.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  Oh, it definitely is. Quite laid back. We still struggle with the high five. The high five's never, um, taken off in Britain.

• 48:54Speaker 03

  No, it hasn't. No.

• 48:56Speaker 02

  I can't tell you. I can't remember a single, unless it was like when my kids were a baby.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  I think it's most of the time you do rituals and you're like, yeah, you've done your drawing, high five.

• 49:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  And they can't do it either because it's just like.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're pathetic at it, aren't they?

• 49:09Speaker 03

  They haven't got any bones in their hands.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  Idiots, but.

• 49:12Speaker 03

  Just get better hands.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  So, um.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  Learn to read.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  The high five's never really been adopted by Britain, that's for sure. It's not in our nature.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  I don't know, it's not, we're pretty strict with high five, do they?

• 49:24Speaker 02

  If someone went to high five me, I'd feel very uncomfortable.

• 49:27Speaker 03

  I think also it, it just, if you'd won a big case at the Old Bailey and then you high fived, to me, it'd cheapen it.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. You get, I'd sentence you for that.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'd say, wait a minute.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  I'd say, oh.

• 49:43Speaker 03

  Come back in, come back into the dock. Forty five years without the possibility of.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  Forty five years for high fiving, for high fiving in my courtroom.

• 49:52Speaker 03

  In my courtroom. It annoys me.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  Now, I don't think that this story is true. I don't, what do you think, Joe?

• 49:58Speaker 03

  I don't think it's true.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  I don't think it is fact.

• 50:01Speaker 03

  But it's an intro, I like the way it's, I, I like the, the sort of, the, the, the confabulation of the, the scenario.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  It's a new word for me.

• 50:13Speaker 03

  Just means making something up.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  Okay, thank you.

• 50:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know why, it's one of those words that you don't really need.

• 50:18Speaker 02

  No, it was unnecessary.

• 50:20Speaker 03

  Do you wanna hear, do you wanna hear a word that I think is totally unnecessary?

• 50:23Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  Utilize. It just means use, like, just say use, like, like utilizing my weapon, I subdued the, just say use. It doesn't mean anything other.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  No, I feel like it means use in the, the most productive way possible.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  I think there's a difference between use and utilize.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  I feel like there'd be another word for that, um.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Listen, I'm against long words, unnecessary long, long words. They make me feel bad about myself.

• 50:53Speaker 03

  I think utilize doesn't mean anything other than use, and I think people just use it to try and sound clever.

• 51:00Speaker 02

  Try and sound clever. All right, we'll get rid of that, we'll get, we'll get to the bottom.

• 51:04Speaker 03

  Not that one in the head.

• 51:05Speaker 02

  But, um, yeah, are we saying not fact?

• 51:11Speaker 03

  Something about this scenario, these two knights.

• 51:15Speaker 02

  It's all too convenient, isn't it?

• 51:19Speaker 03

  Bothered by, I think if you're a knight, you've got a little bit more to worry about than a mosquito.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  I do, I, I just think the idea, you know, you've probably got a cannonball coming at you. You wouldn't be like, oh God. It's mos-, what if the mosquito, I suppose if mo-, to be fair, look, if a mosquito got into your suit of armour, that would.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  That's a problem.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  That would be unpleasant and could lead to.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. But to be, and also they've got to have a clear sight of view and all that sort of stuff.

• 51:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  You know, you get sports people that would get put off. You saw littler with that wasp.

• 51:53Speaker 03

  I didn't see that actually, but is that, I know, I'm aware he still won, didn't he?

• 51:56Speaker 02

  But you could, yeah, but you couldn't do his darts properly.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Is that what you call it? I'm gonna, I'm off to do darts now.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  He couldn't do his darts properly with that wasp in his face.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  So maybe something like that happened, but I don't think the idea of like these two knights, both swatting something at the same time and then just being like, whoa, what was that?

• 52:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, yes, I, I think that that's the bit that I.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, we should keep doing that.

• 52:23Speaker 03

  I don't think that's.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  I don't know what that was, but that was, what would we call that?

• 52:27Speaker 03

  We, we couldn't have done that if we tried.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:29Speaker 03

  You'd be like, no, you, you surely you've done that before.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Why would we do that? What would we call that? Well, I've got five digits here on the end of.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  Five fingers in my mail.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  We raised our hands quite high, didn't we?

• 52:43Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 52:44Speaker 02

  Is that the discussion that went on?

• 52:46Speaker 03

  How many crusades have we been on? Five.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Five.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  No, I just, I don't know, I've said that, that's ridiculous. So tell you the story about how I am.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 52:56Speaker 03

  They're telling my fascism number five story. I feel like I've done this somewhere else.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  What?

• 53:01Speaker 03

  I did, I wrote my dissertation at university on fascism and.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  This is the first I'm hearing about this and you talk about being at university constantly.

• 53:10Speaker 03

  Well, I hadn't really done it.

• 53:12Speaker 02

  No.

• 53:13Speaker 03

  And, um.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, you mentioned that a lot, how you, you just did everything in the last five minutes or something.

• 53:20Speaker 03

  I just hadn't got it together and.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  Really? Go on, carry on.

• 53:24Speaker 03

  I was in the computer room.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 53:27Speaker 03

  And.

• 53:27Speaker 02

  On the internet?

• 53:29Speaker 03

  Probably, possibly on the internet. And it got to like five to four or something. I was, I just got to go to sleep. I can't, I, I can't. This is crazy. So I went to my bed and I had an hour's sleep. It wasn't sleep. It was a kind of horrible hallucinatory. Um, kind of.

• 53:46Speaker 02

  Fever dreams.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  Panic tremor.

• 53:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:48Speaker 03

  Um, then I got back and I was walking back to the computer room and there was a clock.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  And I looked at the clock and I hadn't written the conclusion for my, just saying, I was doing that day.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 54:05Speaker 03

  And I was, I don't know, what do I think about fascism? I don't know. Don't ask me, Gov. Against it. I honestly thought I'd be able to go like.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  Is that what you put in the thing?

• 54:13Speaker 03

  I honestly thought I wanted to, I thought I'd just be able to put like, ah, rubbish, isn't it?

• 54:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, no good.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  And, um, I saw the clock and it was five o'clock and I was desperate for this conclusion. I was like fascism, fascism.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  Five, five, five, fascism, five, fascism, five, fascism, five, five. It's about fives. It's about this, it's about fives. Fascism is about fives. It's about five things. It's something about five things coming together.

• 54:42Speaker 02

  Joe, I don't know.

• 54:43Speaker 03

  And I went back in being like, I've got it. I've cracked it.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't know what you got out of the, out of your university experience. Cause there's a lot of my, I, I, I am genuinely someone that is quite embarrassed about how uneducated they are. And it makes me, it, it does make me feel very insecure and I'm, I'm very cliched of that person as like, I wish I'd paid more attention at school.

• 55:12Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  I'd love to go to school now. I'd absolutely love it. They were offering me so much stuff that was just there, like for free.

• 55:20Speaker 03

  I regularly dream about being back at, what I would say is that never goes away. Even if you do have education, all you feel is, ah, but somebody else did better.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 55:29Speaker 03

  What if you're me anyway?

• 55:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, like whenever you talk to me about your university experience, the only thing that I feel like you've got from going to Cambridge is a crippling addiction to coffee.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  That's the only.

• 55:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:48Speaker 02

  Because you're always telling me about how you basically ran on coffee.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  And, and that carried on all the way through The Inbetweeners and, um, I mean, you're drinking tea now, which is lovely to see, by the way.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I can't, because coffee, actually, I realise it makes me really anxious.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  Does it?

• 56:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, uh.

• 56:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:06Speaker 03

  I am, no, when we did the first series of The Inbetweeners, all I was trying to do was time the caffeine high to coincide with my single.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:13Speaker 03

  That's all I was trying to do. I was like, there's no reason why a performance would come out, but the drugs might make.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  You know, in Eastbound and Down, where he goes on the dance floor and just goes, work drugs.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  I've never seen Eastbound and Down.

• 56:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, but basically I was just trying to be like, well, the caffeine will speak for me.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, you need to time it. Yeah.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  I think I never really came down and settled and never really

• 56:43Speaker 03

  kind of calmed down. And so I, I, yeah, I regularly dream about being back there and then like, you can have another go. And I'm like, oh God, thank you.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  No, you can.

• 56:58Speaker 03

  You can go. Yeah, you can.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  You can.

• 57:00Speaker 03

  You can, you can, you said, yeah.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  I don't think you should or need to. I don't think it's, I don't think it's necessary. But I just feel like, I feel like you were already had all the ingredients of a bit of a.

• 57:14Speaker 03

  A basket case.

• 57:16Speaker 02

  Right?

• 57:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  And I think, I think Cambridge just.

• 57:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:21Speaker 02

  Just brought it all out on you.

• 57:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:23Speaker 02

  And now, and now you're carrying that with you for the rest of your life.

• 57:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, sort of, um, sort of, yeah, I know, I, I, yeah, I can, I can see that.

• 57:36Speaker 04

  What do we think of fact check?

• 57:37Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, fact check.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  Good point.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  Right. Thank you, Lily May. I don't think that two medieval knights, I don't think there will be any, that would be impossible to have any kind of historical documentation to that, for that.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  However.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  Entire libraries have burned down.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  However.

• 57:52Speaker 03

  Somehow we've got this, well, no, I mean, it might be, I suppose what we'll say is unprovable.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  Unprovable, but I will. I'm torn, man. I'm really torn because usually, you know, all those sort of, like when we talked about the saluting and stuff like that where it was originally like taken off, but then it, I feel like the high five would have stayed in the military. Like maybe they're doing, so they'd still be like trooping the colours and like high fiving each other.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  Like I feel in some way or another, if it was historic, if it was a, if it was a historical thing, it would have stayed. Because the military love to hang on to fucking.

• 58:29Speaker 03

  They like hanging on to stuff, don't they?

• 58:30Speaker 02

  Antiquated.

• 58:32Speaker 03

  Just a bit.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  Pointless traditions.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  Just a bit.

• 58:36Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm gonna just say no, no, it's not fact. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, it gets a big old B for bollocks for me.

• 58:42Speaker 03

  Ooh, okay, well, it, it doesn't.

• 58:45Speaker 02

  I love it though. I love the story. I love, I love the thought. I see it in my head. There's two knights. They're on horseback. They're going to swap the same mosquito. They accidentally high five and they go, whoa, dude, what have you just done?

• 58:58Speaker 03

  I wish that there's an innocence to it, that I, you know,

• 59:05Speaker 03

  you know, applaud or whatever, but I don't think it, you can't really say that that's historical fact.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  We're gonna, we're gonna not fact.

• 59:11Speaker 04

  Not a fact.

• 59:12Speaker 03

  No, but good, good name though, Joe.

• 59:14Speaker 02

  Lily May, have you got any, anything to help us out with this?

• 59:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I have done a little bit of research. So it's mainly sort of linked to baseball. And there was sort of a, a sort of accidental celebration of a high five. So sort of similar to the Knights in a way, but basically they said they high, high fived by accident. And, and that's what popularised it. I think there's a guy called Glenn Burke as well who popularised it. But there are sort of no real facts as to where it genuinely started. However, there is a history of the Low Five. Which comes from like an African American jazz scene, basically. I think that's around in the 1960s, maybe before then, and also women's volleyball also may have

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  used the high five before elsewhere, but there's no like factual where the very first one started from.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  The low five.

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  So could the low five have come before, is the low five a conscious take on the high five or is it?

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  Well, the low five is just like, like that, like so much of like culture of modern day culture has come from sort of jukeboxes and, and, and sort of dive bars and, and

• 1:00:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:27Speaker 02

  juke bars and stuff in sort of black American sort of 1920s.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  That is just sort of spread everywhere. We've all, we've all sort of, we're all sort of culturally appropriating that, aren't we?

• 1:00:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's probably true.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  Loads of stuff has come from that.

• 1:00:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And it's just treated as kind of like, well, that's just, you know, he's always been there.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  But.

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  Some people have also, um, this is definitely not true, but I thought I would, um, add this in. There is a fabricated tale from the Battle of Hastings involving a Norman Archer.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  We love Hastings.

• 1:00:59Speaker 04

  Basically saying he accidentally, um, invented it after hitting King Harold, um, slapping his hand in celebration.

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Hmm. It's in the Magna Carta. No, not the Magna Carta, the Biotapestry.

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  It's in the Biotapestry.

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:10Speaker 03

  Should have seen it.

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  Should have seen that. It's on loan, isn't it at the moment?

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  All right. Sorry. What's his name, Joe? Sorry, Joe. That, we don't, that doesn't get the stamp.

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  But a great story.

• 1:01:23Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  So, so sort of fact.

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  Cause it was funny and amusing.

• 1:01:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  Um, Joe, I hope to God that you've got a fact because I turned up without one. It's the one thing I was supposed to do.

• 1:01:38Speaker 03

  I have got a fact. So this fact was about famous Tonys.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43Speaker 03

  And it was.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  Oh, Gary, oh.

• 1:01:45Speaker 04

  Have you just come up with a fact now?

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  No, I've not come up with a fact, but I've come up with, with something that I'd wanna do. Go on, you do yours.

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  Famous Tonys. So I was just thinking about.

• 1:01:57Speaker 04

  I don't know if we said, sorry, I don't know if we said this, but it was because you got confused.

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  It was because I got confused between Tony Stark and Tony Hawk. I've already forgotten who Tony Stark is again, but.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  Tony Stark is Iron Man. We told you this.

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  I, yeah, no, you kept, you, every time you say it to me, okay, I know, Tony Stark, Game of Thrones. And it's not Game of Thrones either, is it?

• 1:02:15Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:02:15Speaker 03

  So my, I, so I was thinking about names, the name Tony.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:18Speaker 03

  Not a name you, you know, particularly hear much for new babies now. I don't know many babies have been Chris and Tony.

• 1:02:26Speaker 04

  Anthony?

• 1:02:28Speaker 04

  AJ? Anthony? Anthony Joshua?

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  Tony's.

• 1:02:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I'm talking about like babies, babies being born now. I don't, I don't think that's, I think if we looked, I'm interested in trends in baby names, basically.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  Shall I, shall I agree with you, just help you out with your fact?

• 1:02:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay. So I thought, when I, when I see Tony, I think it's more, you know, my, my parents got a friend called Tony.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  A baby Tony, I'm picturing a baby with a moustache.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  But yeah, or, or I, I honestly, I think probably now more genuinely more con for girls, T O N I. I reckon Tonies as girl would now outweigh Tonies boy for boys.

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  For boys, right.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  And I'm interested, like, and other names. And so I was, I, I don't know, it's not the, it's not the, the most one like that. Like, I heard about Gary, there's no Garry's anymore. I know, you know, if you're having a baby boy, you ain't calling that kid Gary.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:03:17Speaker 03

  I don't, and I don't know why, what was happening to Gary? Like, I don't understand, like, is it just, it was so ubiquitous and now it's like, we just can't, like, like.

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  I had about three Garry's in my year in primary school.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  It's gone, it's totally gone. I think, I thought, was there a year, can we check this a little bit? Was there a year where no Garry's were born? Literally no Garry's. Because that's wild.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  Anyway, so Tony, so is, so this is a shit fact, as well, you haven't got on mine, shit. So the year, the year in which, do you want to know the year in which most, in the UK, in which most boys were Chris and Tony?

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  Right. Most boys, Chris and Tony in the UK. Hmm. I think, I think it's, I think it's very far back in history.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  Do I feel like it's Italian? I'm thinking Roman Catholic, I'm thinking before, I'm going before, um.

• 1:04:07Speaker 03

  I think we might not have had records that far back. So did I say modern hit, so 20th century?

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  20th century.

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  I don't, because I don't know about that, we probably just don't know. And also there were less people.

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  Right, okay. 20th century, I feel like there might have been, after the 40s, there might have been a bit of like, oh, because I just think Tony's Italian.

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  Yep, okay, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  And I think there might, like, after, after, after the 40s, there might have been a bit like,

• 1:04:36Speaker 03

  Hang on.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  Not, we're not into the Italians that much after they teamed up with that Hitler, which we haven't mentioned so far.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Mention, mention fascism, so.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Then we're back to fascism.

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  Back to that, yeah, so.

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  I'm gonna say twenties.

• 1:04:53Speaker 03

  Twenties, okay, so you went there, 1965.

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  No way. What happened in 1965?

• 1:04:59Speaker 03

  Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you who was, I'll tell you who was riding high in 1965, Mr. Tony Bennett.

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:05:04Speaker 03

  Tony Bennett. And I looked at Tony Bennett, so my fact, basically about Tony Bennett, basically, he was just a really good bloke. He helped liberate a concentration camp, literally.

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  That's pretty amazing.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  He went on the, um, Selma to Montgomery March, like the civil rights march, and, and performed.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  Basically, just, I'm just unbelievable, unbelievable person.

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  Do you know what, like?

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  It's not a very good fact, but it's, I thought it's vaguely, you know.

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  Really good, but you know how we're, like, how we're.

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  Nice person?

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  Supposed to be actors, right?

• 1:05:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'd, yeah, I've sort of forgotten.

• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, but when you hear about those classic Hollywood actors.

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  But they also, like, served in Japan and stuff, like, all of them, like, all, like, like bloody, um, what's his name?

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  Presley?

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  Um, no, the other one, the other one from that, Johnny Cash.

• 1:05:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:58Speaker 02

  Johnny Cash was in like, oh, he was in the air force. Presley was in the army at some point.

• 1:06:02Speaker 03

  I imagine it probably helped to put things a bit into perspective as well. You probably, you probably worried about stuff a bit less.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  That's the thing.

• 1:06:08Speaker 03

  When you were just not being shot at.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  Like, we'd worry about our little TV show, whether it's good or not.

• 1:06:13Speaker 03

  Oh, God, what is.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  I bet they were just like, I'm just writing a song.

• 1:06:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  If people like it, if people like it, great. If they don't.

• 1:06:19Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  It's not too bad.

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  Probably a laudable attitude towards what was essentially like pop culture.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  It's not, it's not surprising when you hear like, when you hear Tony Bennett was a part of, you know, was there liberating a concentration camp and stuff like that. It's like, yeah, they all had proper lives, didn't they?

• 1:06:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  And they, I just don't, I don't think.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  Whereas I just pretend to be a schoolboy.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  You just had a coffee addiction. You really got into coffee.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  I used to drink two cafetiers in the morning.

• 1:06:48Speaker 03

  And then I'd go completely mental.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  Uh, then I'd go to the bathroom, sort of throw the towels around and then, um,

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  What does that mean?

• 1:06:56Speaker 03

  Come back out. Well, literally, I'd go to bash.

• 1:06:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:59Speaker 03

  Bash stuff about a bit.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:07:01Speaker 03

  Then I'd come out and Simon Bird would try and coax some writing out of me.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. See, I'm more aware of this in hindsight.

• 1:07:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  I'll be honest with you.

• 1:07:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:10Speaker 02

  Cause I just thought it was quite funny how nervous and anxious you were. And I was like, oh, I bet I can really wind him up and.

• 1:07:19Speaker 03

  You could. But to be fair though, you were not, you were actually a kind of welcome.

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  But I was young, I was a kid, man.

• 1:07:25Speaker 03

  It was like fighting fire with fire. I was like, actually, at least I prefer this sort of winding up at least.

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  I was, yeah, it was, it was, um, route one. It was literally route one. There was that, have I spoke about the time where I, um, I must have done. It's one of my favourite stories.

• 1:07:39Speaker 03

  What did you do?

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  Joe was in the distance, sat on a bench. This was while we were filming the caravan club episode. Joe was outside, sat on a bench, having one of his, like, frequent, many, uh, breakdowns. So it was like, you, you become desensitized to it. You don't, in my defence.

• 1:08:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. I didn't really.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  It, it doesn't become a thing where you go, oh, God, is Joe okay? Because this is happening all the time, right? So, and Joe was in distance and I was,

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  I, I, and I did that thing where I, I looked above him and waved. And Joe turned around and saw that there was no one behind him. And then turned around and by the time he turned around back at me, I was just giving him the middle finger. And Joe said, why would you do that apart from making me want to hate you?

• 1:08:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, that is probably an overreaction by me, to be fair.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  No, but, but, no, that's, that's fine.

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  I'm not good with deception. I, I, I don't, I don't find it

• 1:08:46Speaker 03

  charm, charm, I can, I can sort of charming distraction. I, I feel, I literally feel like the entire fabric of reality is, is falling apart.

• 1:08:53Speaker 02

  What happens when like a close up magician?

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  Well, I know that's a trick, but what, but what I mean is I, I hate those card games where you have to pretend that you've got something you haven't got.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:09:02Speaker 03

  I'm just like, we can't start lying to each other, man. We cannot start lying to each other because it would all fucking fall apart. Like it's so much just relies on, I can't, I can't check everything. If I go to somebody, what's your name? And they go, oh, Gavin. I'm like, and I just take it as fact. I, they could, do you know what I mean? Like they, I don't go, oh, tell, show me some ID.

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  You've got to tell me.

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  Do I need to?

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  You've got to.

• 1:09:23Speaker 03

  Do I need to ask for ID?

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  Your, your brain is like just revving in the red constantly.

• 1:09:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  You need to just move gears a little bit so that the, so it comes down a little bit more.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  I'm working on it. I'm working on it.

• 1:09:39Speaker 04

  There were only eight babies named Gary in 2023.

• 1:09:43Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  Only eight?

• 1:09:45Speaker 04

  Only eight.

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  That's nuts.

• 1:09:47Speaker 04

  We've not had a Gary-less year, but we're pretty close.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  Eight's really like out of what's, how many babies are born in a year in the UK, do you think?

• 1:09:56Speaker 03

  Nine, I think.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  Nine million.

• 1:09:57Speaker 04

  At least.

• 1:09:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. So actually it was really good.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  This was a good year with Garys.

• 1:10:03Speaker 03

  There was just hardly any babies. Did it bounce back after 2023?

• 1:10:08Speaker 03

  You mean?

• 1:10:08Speaker 04

  Um, it's bounced back a little bit. Let me have a, let me see. Let me see what 2024 figures. Cause there was a big campaign about Garys.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Right, Katie's sighing, so should we fucking?

• 1:10:18Speaker 03

  We're gonna get, we'll get on with it now.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:10:20Speaker 03

  Anyway, so that was, so basically my fact is.

• 1:10:22Speaker 04

  It's still extremely low.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  Katie, you've done nothing for me today. And my confidence.

• 1:10:28Speaker 03

  Don't sigh.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  Joe was, Joe turned up a bit late today and there was a bit of an awkward silence. So Katie felt, while we were all waiting for you, Joe, so Katie felt like she would fill that silence with telling me that she, she's my manager, by the way, she was telling me she's never watched The Inbetweeners and when The Inbetweeners came out, she was just like, I hate this. I hate all of this. This is not funny.

• 1:10:50Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  I was like, well, you've, you've bigged me up. Thanks. I'm ready to go off and do a podcast now.

• 1:10:55Speaker 03

  I quite, I like, I quite, I like a strong reaction. It's good.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  I don't mind people that don't like The Inbetweeners.

• 1:11:01Speaker 03

  I don't mind whoever. You don't have to like.

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  I agree with them. It's like.

• 1:11:04Speaker 03

  There's lots of stuff I don't like.

• 1:11:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's the same with all the, all the critical comments that we get.

• 1:11:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  They're not like mean. They're not like, like, they don't.

• 1:11:13Speaker 03

  No, they're just accurate.

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  Physically, they took, they genuinely talk about the, the show.

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:19Speaker 02

  The, the comments are, if they're critical, they're critical about the comments of the show and you go, yeah.

• 1:11:22Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  That's right. Should we, should we wrap up, Joe?

• 1:11:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  Cause you've got to move your car, haven't you?

• 1:11:27Speaker 03

  I've got to move my car. It's parked, um.

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  And then we've got to do another episode, aren't we?

• 1:11:31Speaker 03

  Do we have to do that again today?

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yes, Joe.

• 1:11:36Speaker 03

  Can't we?

• 1:11:37Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:11:38Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:11:38Speaker 04

  This is your fault.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:11:43Speaker 03

  So horribly accurate.

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  Anyway, um, I'll say this just to get us out. Um, we hope you've learned something. I had a nice time. Um, it doesn't necessarily need to have been both. We'll be back next week armed with more facts, chats and Gary stats. And don't forget that you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true for you. Or to you, or whatever nonsense you'd like us to tell us. Any information you need to get to us. Any message, anything you want us to talk about, anything you think. Yeah. Anything that you think we'd find funny. Our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp number is 07822034330 and follow us on our social medias.

• 1:12:28Speaker 02

  We're at joeandjamespodcast and you can also DM us on that, right? Um, and head to the podcast description if you've already forgotten those details. There we go. That was a podcast. I don't know what that's going to be. I don't know how this is going to sound. I hope you enjoyed it.

• 1:12:44Speaker 03

  Off the ground. Bye.

• 1:12:46Speaker 02

  Thanks, guys.

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