James Buckley Has Got Nothing Left

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  I need to, I need to fess. I need to fess up.

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  Yeah.

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  Need to fess.

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  Go on.

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  It's short.

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  Fess me.

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  I need to fess up. I don't, I don't, and I would say this now, get it out of the way, I don't have a fact.

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  It's all right, don't worry.

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  I've not got a fact to be.

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  I've got one. And maybe we can just do one, we'll see how it goes. We have done, we have done one in the past, it's worked all right. It's very clear that people's least favourite element of the episodes is the fact. They don't, they don't like them. They're not, they're not true, they're a bit sort of, they're, they're poorly researched.

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  Really badly researched.

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  They, we don't spend any time on them.

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  Exactly.

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  Sometimes I do, if I can be bothered. This, like.

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  I couldn't even be bothered to lazily.

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  Yeah.

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  Research something today.

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  Yeah.

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  Not even a theme today either.

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  It's the most, the thing, the most forgotten.

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  No theme today. Can't rein it in really.

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  Listen, what are you?

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  No theme, no fact. See what? As a little treat, we'll do a really short one today. Like really short, as in like, is about to end.

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  Yeah. Well, I don't have a fact.

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  I'm happy to just bin mine.

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  No, keep yours, we've got to do one.

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  Got to do something.

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  Do one, okay. Lily, we got to do something, May.

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  That's why I call you.

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  And that's only because I've got to do something, so I'm just passing the book.

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  Well, we could do a nine minute podcast.

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  We've got to do, we've got to do something. Do you know who said that? Hitler.

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  You know that?

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  That was it.

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  That was, that was how we got to power. Lily May says we've got to do something.

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  Yeah.

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  So should we do an episode of Joe and James Fact Up?

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  Did you just have to read the script?

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  Oh, I read the script.

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  For your own name, you had to read the script?

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  Oh.

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  Joe and James Fact Up.

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  That's crazy.

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  Oh, for that I had to read it, did I?

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  Yeah.

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  Oh, I just check in, I'd, what, you know, I mean.

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  Yeah.

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  Joe and James Fact Up, that's what we're doing.

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  Yep.

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  Let's do it.

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  Welcome to Joe and James Fact Up. Each week we'll be bringing facts to one another. No, not this week. That we deem.

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  You guys have been sending in some stuff, some pretty fact up stuff for us to discuss.

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  This is good.

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  Just read the first line of it. It just says here, should police start doing ass prints? That's, uh, Jack, um, who got in touch with us on the WhatsApp there. Uh, Jack says, uh, afternoon chaps.

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  They're underfunded as it is. I don't think they, that's not gonna help recruitment.

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  I think it would.

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  Might, yeah.

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  I think people would be more interested.

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  Schools. Alright kids, it's not, uh, it's not catching serial killers, you do have a laugh. Look at this, arse prints.

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  Here's a load of famous serial killers' arses. Uh, anyway, uh, Jack says, afternoon chaps, Jack here, routine podcast listener. Months ago, in one of your early episodes, you mentioned toilet etiquette.

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  Just a bit, I did.

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  You spoke about what the rules are on, oh, by the way, I was in the pub yesterday.

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  I don't even, it's horrendous.

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  There was no effort at all to get the piss anywhere near the toilet.

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  It's crazy. It's fucking crazy. It's like.

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  It was really depressing, man. And I needed a piss all the way home from the pub as well.

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  If that's what you're, I love that, if, if, if that's how you're aiming your piss, you shouldn't be allowed to like, get behind the wheel of a car. Like, it's madness.

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  It would have been easier getting the piss in the toilet to where it was. Anyway, um, you mentioned toilet etiquette. You spoke about what the rules are on wiping the seats of the toilets before and after use. For example, how much piss is too much piss to wipe off a toilet seat before you bottle it and go somewhere else? Oh, right. Okay. Sorry. I've been, before you lose, before you lose your nerve and go somewhere else.

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  Oh, I see.

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  I thought he was talking about bottling piss.

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  Yeah, no.

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  Uh, anyway.

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  Yeah.

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  I walked into my workplace toilet today and, uh, in a seething rage.

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  Yeah.

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  We have two cubicles, one of which has a broken toilet that wobbles an awful lot. Um, usable, but mostly avoided. I entered the other cubicle to drop the kids off.

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  Drop the kids at the pool. That's nice. Yeah.

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  Yeah. And, and there was a literal, there was literal poo stains and pubes all, all on the toilet seat.

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  Poo on the, poo on the seat?

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  Yeah. This is my place of work.

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  Yeah.

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  Not a backstreet pub.

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  Yeah.

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  Please tell me why a person leaves stains from their sweaty arse on the toilet seat and doesn't seem to think that they should remove it before the next user, especially since the only other toilet is broken. Police should create arse prints as an addition to fingerprints so you can identify these morons. Thanks, Jack. I'll also would argue, um.

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  That you you probably could use fingerprints as well.

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  You could probably, yeah, they probably have.

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  Yeah.

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  Unless they're donning.

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  Are are there?

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  If you're putting on a if you're putting on a pair of gloves.

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  Yeah.

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  But then also putting shit on the seat.

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  Yeah.

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  You are a psychopath.

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  Uh, uh.

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  But I.

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  Did did the does the arse have a print?

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  It's a really good question. Um.

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  I don't think it does.

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  It can't have all the little grooves and stuff of a fingerprint.

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  I think that would have come out. I think criminals would think, well, criminals don't generally generally do crimes with their arse out. So maybe it's so it's like, so if you're doing a crime, you're like, oh, did you remember to wear gloves? I did.

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  Yeah.

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  Did you remember to cover your arse? Oh, I forgot.

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  No.

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  Oh, I should have worn pants.

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  I'm just.

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  Oh, always wear pants.

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  I'm just gloves and.

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  That's why criminals always wear pants. And if you see and if you see somebody who is wearing pants, they're a criminal.

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  Yeah.

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  They're a criminal. Like they're because they're trying to, yeah.

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  Guarantee uh that criminals will wear the old pants there.

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  They almost always do. And you know why?

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  Apart from when they're on the toilet.

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  Apart from on the toilet. Okay. I agree with this. It's terrible. I I don't understand how you can get poo on the seat.

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  That's really bad.

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  Your arse hole is nowhere near. Near the seat. It's nowhere near the seat.

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  I think what's happened is is that the the toilets, the state of this toilet, this guy's workplace, has been getting worse and worse. So that people are now starting to hover over the toilet seat. When they're taking a shit, because they don't want to touch the toilet seat.

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  Yeah.

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  And it's just got away from them. It's it's become a thing, hasn't it?

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  Yeah, um, but.

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  Do you think anyone's got the same two like cheeks that if you were to see an imprint, you would not be able to tell the difference?

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  I don't think so. I don't think they've got the the the lines and the grooves of a fingerprint. I think that's why fingerprints, they use fingerprints.

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  What about the shape of the anus?

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  Hmm hmm.

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  That might, I mean, there would be, I think there'd be, I think there would be differences, but I don't I don't think there would be a conclusive, I don't think it's one to one, whereas a fingerprint is. Is it one to one? It is, isn't it?

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  I think they're unique, aren't they?

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  Even twins, even identical twins.

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  Is that right?

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  Different fingerprints.

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  They, I like that Lily May's, I I think you just brushed over. I think you moved too quickly.

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  No, I heard her say, what about the anus?

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  Yeah, you did. You did hear that as well.

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  But I think that was unrelated.

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  Okay. I think Lily May's just on a phone call.

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  Yeah. No, it's in the script. It says, what about the anus?

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  What was the question that he made you? Or do you think if you saw, if you saw two, if you saw them, would you be, would you actually be able to say that's a specific person?

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  I don't think so. But what about the anus? Which is what, which is what we haven't discussed. I think that was the Sex Pistols, that was gonna be their second album.

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  Never mind the bollocks. What about the anus?

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  They never got, they split up before they got around to doing it.

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  It's a tragedy. Yeah. They had a couple of, they had a couple of tracks recorded, but then

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  Yeah.

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  it all fell apart. Well, I mean, I can tell how angry Jack is because he is talking about getting the policing.

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  Oh, Jack, he must have been furious. Yeah.

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  I think, I'm not sure. I think this is probably civil court rather than criminal court. I'm not sure you should be sent to prison. I think you should be fined. So I think it's more of a warden. Some like, it's that kind of thing.

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  You could take the stool sample to identify someone as well.

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  Yeah, you could take a stool sample.

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  Yeah.

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  And take it to.

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  That's, that's gonna work much better, isn't it? Obviously. If there's some shit there.

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  You can use that.

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  Less fun, though.

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  Less funny, sure.

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  Yeah. I mean, I, yeah, it's really difficult because basically just in order to go to the trial.

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  If this episode isn't called What About The Anus?

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  Noted.

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  I'm gonna be very, very disappointed.

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  Shortly after, a young London window cleaner is arrested. They said, you're nicked, you're in a lot of trouble. But was he set up? Wanted, I've led to a fall of two cops. His family say he is guilty, but of a totally different crime.

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  Also, I'd always assumed that it was basically just men who were rubbish. But Hannah says sometimes she goes into female toilets and there's wee on the seat.

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  Listen, women can be filthy.

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  Women are filthy.

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  Yeah.

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  But like, but I always, I'd always assumed it was just a handling problem with the penis.

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  I think nine times out of 10 it's.

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  I think it's generally, and I do think that, I mean, it does seem that, that.

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  Even the.

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  I just can't imagine the women's toilet being worse. I can't imagine it being worse than the state of, I've seen of men's. Like more than that, you're talking about a war zone, basically.

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  I do like to sit down to wee so that there's no, there's no, there's no mistakes.

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  Hmm. Yeah.

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  Cause even when you're really trying hard to aim, sometimes it can get away from you. I don't know why men don't sit down to take a piss.

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  Yeah.

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  Uh, I don't know if there's something.

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  No, I do now.

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  Well, there's plenty, there's plenty of stuff wrong with mine, but mine does, like it doesn't, it's not as much of a, a stream as I'd like it to be.

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  Well, I get situations where it just isn't, it's kind of half sealed up and then, and then you kind of.

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  Some stuff coming out the sides.

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  Coming out the sides.

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  Is that just me?

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  No, it's not just you, it's me as well. And like, it is, it is flawed. It isn't, it isn't very good at doing.

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  No.

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  The other thing is I have to shake so much, there's so much fucking left in there. I have to, I, I've, am I supposed to be having to wipe that much? But like, I just have to like.

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  I have to really shake.

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  The, the, the actual piss, that's only about 80% of the urine.

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  Yeah.

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  The rest of it's still in the.

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  Still in the pump though.

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  In the pump, you're like, oh, Jesus Christ.

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  And I shake, right?

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  And also that, in a way, that's why I've stopped using urinals as much, because I have to shake so much.

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  I have to, yeah.

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  But it's just weird.

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  But there's been, there's been some times where I have shook a lot. I'm like, right, got to really get you all out of here.

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  Yeah.

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  Pop the fella back in the old pants there.

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  Yeah.

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  And then it just goes.

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  Yeah, I know, a whole, a whole other bit, yeah.

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  There was like a little bit, like at the back of the cock that just sort of managed to make its way.

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  It's like, it's like, can you all come out at once?

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  Yeah.

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  Don't some of you hang around at the back of the room? Like people trying to get locked in a museum or something? Just all come out now.

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  I remember Greg Davis was telling me, um, I think he had a camera up his knob or something.

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  Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, I remember that.

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  And then he said he went for his first piss and he said it, he said it was just like emptying a bucket of water.

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  He said it was just, it just all came out at once.

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  He said it wasn't a stream, I wasn't there for about 20 seconds, just pushing it out. It was like, it was just as if you'd opened a, unlocked a dam or something.

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  Just straight into the toilet.

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  Oh god.

• 13:54Speaker 02

  Um, but yeah, no, maybe, let's look into that, Jack. Let's try, let's try and find out if we can do some mask printing. We've got another message here as well.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  It's a snake update from Chris. Um, my memory's so bad. Has Chris written to us before? I assume so.

• 14:09Speaker 04

  No, it's actually about, um, Joe spoke about snakes a few episodes ago.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah.

• 14:16Speaker 04

  And kind of how they were sort of weird, but they get away with it. And, um, basically that has sparked a response.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  Okay, so, uh, yeah, so, g'day fellas. Big fa- big fan from Wagga Wagga in Australia. Their names are...

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  Wagga Wagga.

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  They're just... The town names in Australia are brilliant.

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  They're amazing.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  As an Australian, I'm a big fan of snakes. Something Joe said about snakes reminded me of a couple of snake facts. Joe spoke about poisonous snakes in a recent episode. Poisonous means you're harmed from eating it. So typically you would say snakes are venomous. Yeah.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's right.

• 14:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  He is right.

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  You can't get stung by a snake because snakes, snakes bite.

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  Yes, that's true.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  That's from, uh, that's Chris Morris.

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  I say typically because, uh, and here is fact number one. There are a few snakes that are poisonous and you cannot eat. So if some dickhead Australian hassles you online for saying poisonous snakes, you can tell him to fuck off because some snakes are in fact poisonous. Fact number two is that snakes don't have ears. I knew that. I knew that one. So it's funny as fuck when I see tourists shouting at snakes to try and scare them away. And my third and final fact is that snakes actually do have ears. Oh, fucking hell.

• 15:39Speaker 04

  Is that you?

• 15:40Speaker 02

  It's Chris, you've done me there, man.

• 15:42Speaker 03

  Both these facts are little Russian doll facts where actually inside the refutation.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

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  Is the thing that you originally believed.

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  Um, they have an inner ear that they use for balance, but they don't have an outer ear. So sounds won't bother them. Um, so no need, um, to be afraid of snakes, Joe. Just leave them the fuck alone. Don't try eating them and you'll be fine. From Chris. Uh, Chris, Chris also says, uh, PS Joe, I'll be in London in late July if you're keen for a pint. Which I'm sure Joe will turn up to, um, not meaning to exclude you, James. I would love to have a pint with you too, but after, but after hearing Joe's story early on about loving to have pints. Well, I don't think he said loving, uh, loving to have pints with randos. I thought I might try my luck. Um, yeah, Joe will probably turn up to that. I won't.

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  Yeah.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  Cause I'm normal.

• 16:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, that's fine. I'll, um, I'll, I'll, I'll wing you some dates, Chris. And, um, we'll, you know, work something out.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  Uh, what do you want to do, Joe? Should we do, um, should we get into fact checks in as though we're, we're doing correspondence?

• 16:42Speaker 03

  Well, I really, I have to say, just, I mean, that's a great, that is, there's a very good little section of facts. And in a way, it had the style of an essay where you, you begin with a straw man. And then you say, well, of course this is all rubbish, but then in your conclusion, you kind of turn it back around again.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  But in the end, maybe that supposition that we began with, maybe that really is true. And there's a kind of wisdom of crowds thing and both of those, um, well, there's three, but actually it's, I'd say it's almost four. There's, it has that structure. And then just on the ears thing, um, geckos and lizards of various kinds, they actually genuinely have, I think I haven't said this on here before. They genuinely have a third eye. Um, kind of in the middle of their head. And so when people talk about like the third eye.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  The sort of yoga thing. I think it's probably not connected.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:40Speaker 03

  And I don't think these geckos are doing yoga. But they have, there is, you can't see it, but underneath the skin, there is, there's a sort of partially forms, a bit like the inner ear. Um, there is this partially formed third eye. So what I'm saying is, you know, to these lizards, get yourself down to a yoga centre near you. And actually, it'll make a lot of sense to you because you do actually have a third eye.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  Are you gonna go for a pint with Chris?

• 18:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course. Yeah. Um, we'll, um, we'll, I'll do a podcasting as well.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Brilliant. All you do have to do is ask Joe and he does, and he agrees to stuff.

• 18:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, just, um, don't ask, don't get, do ask, do get.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, let's move on to fact check.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  Right.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  We'll, we'll hold off your amazing fact.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Oh, it's a good one. And it's a return. Well, I shall.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:26Speaker 03

  It links up in at least two ways.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  Just say it's a good one.

• 18:29Speaker 03

  It's a good one.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, will be, this is fact check. Do we have a fact check jingle or anything?

• 18:35Speaker 04

  No.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 18:36Speaker 04

  I mean, we can make one if you want.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  I feel like we should.

• 18:38Speaker 04

  Do you wanna like say something that might go into it?

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Um.

• 18:42Speaker 03

  Can you check this for me, please? Yes. All right.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  What about the anus?

• 18:49Speaker 03

  What about the anus? Do people recognise other people from a print of their anus?

• 18:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  Bizarre, isn't it, man?

• 19:01Speaker 03

  If as if that was the jingle for fact check.

• 19:03Speaker 04

  I mean, I think it's going to be.

• 19:05Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  That's as good as it is in my eyes.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  Okay, that's the jingle. Um, it's so quick, isn't it? We, we really get through a lot of work, don't we?

• 19:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  It's because we just accept anything.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  So this is fact check. This is where we, uh, where you give us a question. It's bizarre, isn't it?

• 19:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  Today. Uh, you, you're gonna, you're gonna give us something to get to the bottom of.

• 19:28Speaker 03

  That's the jingle.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  I'm trying.

• 19:29Speaker 03

  No, we don't, we don't need to do the jingles. We've already done it. The jingle was recorded live.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  Or is this still the jingle?

• 19:38Speaker 03

  This is the jingle.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  We jingle inception.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  It might be. I'll tell you what, fact about inception, I, you spoke about Christopher Nolan, like how I can't be in his films. I literally don't understand inception, even as a, even as a viewer.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:52Speaker 03

  Forget about being in it. I didn't, I didn't and never will understand it.

• 19:57Speaker 02

  Well, it's just like dreams, dreams within dreams, isn't it? They go into dreams.

• 20:01Speaker 03

  There were too many, man. There was like.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  They go into someone's dream.

• 20:03Speaker 03

  It should be three max.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. They go into someone's dream and then they fall asleep in that dream.

• 20:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got that, but then there is a point where I'm like, no, I can't do that anymore. It was like, I could do GCSE maths, but not A level maths really. I only got B, I got C in my second year.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  It was carried through by my A in the first year and inception felt like that. I was like, yeah, I can't, this is too hard now. Shouldn't, I should have just done the AS level.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Right. Uh, we're gonna.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  Don't understand it. Literally don't understand it. Imagine seeing a film. I don't understand it. I should be an actor. I don't understand films, even when I watch a film.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay.

• 20:41Speaker 03

  That's like, it's like being a, somebody supposed to be designing cars and you don't even know how to drive a car.

• 20:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  Or, or something, or not even.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  It's like Garth, Garth Marenghi.

• 20:50Speaker 03

  It's like, you're meant to be an aeronautical engineer and you can't even pronounce the word plane.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  Garth, Garth Marenghi, who's, who's written more books than he's read.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  I've written more books than I've read. One of the few authors that have written more books than they've read. Uh, anyway, this is, it is fact check, as you could tell from the.

• 21:11Speaker 03

  The jingle.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  From the jingle there. Um, we'll be reading a fact or a question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. And then we're gonna have a good little think during the break and then we'll come back and let you know how true it feels to us and decide whether it passes our fact check. So this week's fact check comes from Peter. Who sent us a WhatsApp? Peter says, "Hey Joe and James, I saw a post on social media that claimed that in Victorian Britain, the lowest form of accommodation was access to a rope to bend over and sleep on, and it cost around a penny. Apparently it was used by drunken sailors who spent all their dosh on getting pissed. The post said this is where the phrase hungover was coined. I'm hoping you'll find this to be an interesting and therefore true fact,

• 21:54Speaker 02

  and puts being in the doghouse into perspective." Right, we're gonna have a little break and then we're gonna discuss that message from Peter.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Welcome back to Joe and James Fact Up. We were just fact checking on behalf of Peter, who asked us the term hungover come from Victorian Britain, where drunken sailors would literally hang over a rope to sleep.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Yes, it's true. It's true.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  Absolutely true. They'd rent out like a yard of rope or something like that for a penny.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Uh, because it was sort of nicer than just sleeping on the floor.

• 22:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  You, and, and you'd have rows of people.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  I've seen pictures of it, so I know for a fact it's true.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 22:37Speaker 02

  I've seen actual pictures.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  I've never seen a picture. I have read about it in, uh, Down and Out in Paris and London by George Orwell, which a lot of that is about accommodation and the various kind of lower rungs on the accommodation ladder. Um, and I, yeah, I think this was, this is definitely the worst, before you get to just sleeping on the ground.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  I'm sure I've, um, I'm sure I've seen the same thing that Peter has seen on Instagram or something. I've also seen YouTube videos about it as well. Um, the, the sort of Simon Whistler YouTube videos, he's a good guy. I'm sure I've mentioned him before. He does sort of mega projects and he does a lot of fact.

• 23:21Speaker 02

  He's, he's, but his stuff is good. And this is, this is one of the things that he's spoken about.

• 23:26Speaker 03

  He's bothering to do facts, even though we're covering it so extensively.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. I think we're go, I think we are gonna, um,

• 23:33Speaker 03

  I just feel bad because

• 23:34Speaker 02

  drive him out of business at some point.

• 23:35Speaker 03

  Him out of business, unfortunately.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  No, I think he's, I think, I think he is, uh, responsible for

• 23:44Speaker 02

  Eighty percent of YouTube, Simon Whistler. He's honestly got about four thousand YouTube channels.

• 23:51Speaker 03

  I've never actually, I probably have come.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Get into it, man. He's good.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  And he also does a thing called, I think one of his channels is called, I think it's called Brain Blaze, where he, um,

• 24:04Speaker 02

  he sort of, you know, relaxes a little bit. Cause he's quite, all his other stuff is like talking about dark facts or talking about prisons or talking about awful things that have happened or mysterious things.

• 24:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  Or big buildings that are about to be built or something like that, or tragedies that have happened to them. They're all very factual, very interesting videos he makes and they're all, he's got a different channel for different genres of what you're doing.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  Um, but he's got this one called Brain Blaze where he just sort of, uh, he just sort of, you know, kicks off his shoes a little bit and, uh,

• 24:39Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  goes a bit silly and they're, they're, that's good fun as well.

• 24:42Speaker 03

  Gets, uh, gets a little bit freaky.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  I'm a big fan. I'm a big Whistler fan. Um.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  Top off?

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Top doesn't come off.

• 24:50Speaker 03

  No, that's what I'd do.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  The top doesn't come off. No.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  Just, um.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  Well, Simon Whistler, if you're listening.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  If you're listening, Whistler. If you're a listener. What? Then, uh, get your, get your top off. Um, no, but that is true. It's definitely true. It's definitely true, Peter. That is, that is, that is fact, that is so fact it hurts.

• 25:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, uh, and, um, it hadn't occurred to me that that would be where the hangover, but again, that, that sounds.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  I don't even.

• 25:20Speaker 03

  That sounds extremely plausible. I mean, these sailors, they really did just spend all their money on.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  Sailors, I think it was.

• 25:26Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah. But I mean, I think the, it's.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Well, it's the clues in the name, drunken sailor.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  Well, it's funny.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  If they're not spending, if they're not spending their money on booze, then they're not, they can't be a drunken sailor by definition.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  I wonder what their anuses are like.

• 25:41Speaker 03

  Sailor's tits seem to just burn. So there was, there was.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Sailor's tits?

• 25:44Speaker 03

  Sailors, no sailors, sailors, there's a place in, on the Isle of Shepi called Blue Town that used to have like, I think I have literally mentioned it here, had the most, I've honestly, I've said this before on here, had the most pubs of any, the highest concentration of pubs anywhere in the country. And it's because we're sailors, they just come off and they just spent all their money immediately in the pub. It's like, but, um, it's, uh, so it seems to be a, I guess they just. Can't wait to have an absolutely massive one. They've been on a boat for.

• 26:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  They've not got booze on the boat, have they got rum? Surely they've got rum?

• 26:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so.

• 26:14Speaker 03

  But they just wanna be in.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  But I think it's weak, is it not?

• 26:17Speaker 03

  Well, have you heard Tapping the Admiral? Have you heard that little story?

• 26:21Speaker 02

  I do, I do it frequently.

• 26:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  I tap the, I tap the Admiral a couple of times a day.

• 26:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can't, I just can't drop off if I haven't paid a visit to, to the Admiral in his quarters. Um, no, Tapping the Admiral is this, there's a pub called Tapping the Admiral in Camden.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  And the idea is that when Nelson died, they preserved his body in a barrel of rum. But then they were like, oh.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  Heard that, yeah.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  Anyone else getting a little bit thirsty for a bit of rum, then like, we'll take a little bit.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've heard that. Have you told me that before?

• 26:58Speaker 03

  Probably. I think both those things I've, um.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  I've heard that.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  Literally said before, but, um.

• 27:04Speaker 02

  Queen Lily May, shall we throw it over to you? This is cut and dry. This is.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is fact art. This is fact art.

• 27:09Speaker 02

  If the gloves don't quit, you must have quit.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  Also, I have to say.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  Gloves don't fit, you must have quit. It's really simple, this one.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  Exactly. He's innocent. Everybody knows it. And, um, uh, but, um. Quite, um.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  The gloves don't quit is what I said.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  If the, that, those gloves just don't quit.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  Those gloves, she's got some gloves that don't quit.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  What does that mean, by the way? I know it sounds a bit 50s, sort of about 50, like, she's got an ass that don't quit.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  I think what it means is I can't stop thinking about it.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:43Speaker 03

  Like, I don't quit. It's not really, don't really, it's not really the arse's fault.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  It doesn't stop being.

• 27:48Speaker 03

  The arse has quit.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  No, but the arse doesn't stop being great.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  It doesn't stop being an arse.

• 27:53Speaker 02

  Being a beautiful arse.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, in a way, how could it stop being an arse?

• 27:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  What else could it possibly be?

• 27:59Speaker 02

  What happens when an arse does quit?

• 28:01Speaker 03

  I don't wanna know because they just have a big gap there and it will fall down.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Just like two, two deflated balloons.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  If your arse quits, you're really in trouble because it's got so many responsibilities.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  Do you know, uh, have you ever watched?

• 28:15Speaker 03

  Maybe that's the problem with the toilet. Maybe the arse has quit. The person was like, I'm very sorry, my arse quit. Um, my arse, no, my arse didn't come into work today.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  No.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  And that's why.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  And I have texted, but there's, but I can't get through. They're just not picking up.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:31Speaker 03

  So I can't, so I've just had to, I've had to do a shit anyway, but my arse has quit. Can we leave this till tomorrow? We're hoping my arse will be back in and then take it up with them. What were you saying about King of the Hill?

• 28:43Speaker 02

  Have you seen King of the Hill?

• 28:44Speaker 03

  No.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  It's a cartoon. It's quite funny.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  No, but.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  But one of the characters, the main character, Hank, um, he medically doesn't have an arse. So he has to start wearing, um, like these two little sort of saline pouches. Cause he's getting really bad back problems.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  So they're kind of like arse implants.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  Sort of.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  Um, but Queen Lily May, sorry, don't make that.

• 29:13Speaker 04

  What?

• 29:13Speaker 02

  You're not allowed to do that.

• 29:15Speaker 04

  What?

• 29:15Speaker 02

  I know this is going badly.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  It's not going bad. I don't even think it is going bad.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  Wait, do you mean the podcast?

• 29:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:20Speaker 03

  It's not going bad.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  I can't turn around and look at you going.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  I was really.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  Blowing air out.

• 29:28Speaker 03

  Lily May, we need a poker face from you.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, we need you, we need you to go.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  I can't say nothing. That was not about what was going on.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  You don't go to your, you don't go to your kids nativity play and sit in there. Yeah. Obviously it's shit, but that doesn't mean you betray your emotions to all and sundry, broadcasting far and wide.

• 29:47Speaker 04

  You misunderstand. I was looking at my laptop. I was reading my laptop and that is what I was.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 29:52Speaker 02

  What's, um, yeah.

• 29:54Speaker 04

  You're not going to be happy is why I was exhaling because, so it's commonly referred to as a hangover because of the two penny hangovers. But there is no solid evidence for that being the origin of it. And in fact, a little bit of research from an article from the Guardian says a hangover was first described more than 3000 years ago. Um, by Sutra, um, Hamitra, an Indian textbook on medication, and it was described as parmandha. And it was a post drinking condition that was characterized by thirst, pain in the head and joint pain.

• 30:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 30:26Speaker 04

  Having this in the body and had.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they didn't call it a hangover though.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  They didn't call it a hangover. We're not.

• 30:30Speaker 04

  Can I finish?

• 30:31Speaker 03

  I don't know whether you. I don't know actually.

• 30:33Speaker 04

  Am I?

• 30:34Speaker 03

  Yes. I'm not, it's not, I just.

• 30:36Speaker 04

  Can I finish?

• 30:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  I am angry. I am furious.

• 30:40Speaker 03

  Yes, no, it's only because.

• 30:41Speaker 04

  Can you see why I was exhaling? I'm not happy about saying this.

• 30:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:45Speaker 04

  I'm not pleased about this.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  Well, go, keep going.

• 30:48Speaker 04

  But the word hangover had become more associated with alcohol in the past century. And it apparently first appeared in the English vocabulary in the nineteenth century as an as an expression for describing unfinished business from meetings. It was not until the early nineteen hundreds that the word cropped up as a reference to alcohol.

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  Is what it says.

• 31:08Speaker 02

  Do you know what, right, I sort of forgot that we were trying to get to the bottom of the term hangover.

• 31:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  I thought he was just talking about those, um, I thought it was more about the rope. Cause I know for a fact that those ropes are real.

• 31:21Speaker 04

  And, and I looked into that and they are true, obviously.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:24Speaker 04

  Um, and they used to have a thing called penny sit-ups, so you'd sit up for one penny. And then you'd have the two, two penny hang, so it'd be more comfortable and you'd give the extra penny to have the hang.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, but also they would do, they would also have the, they'd have, they'd rent, you'd rent a space out on a bench.

• 31:42Speaker 04

  Yes, that was the penny sit-up.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  And yes, and they'd put the rope across everyone, so they could just sort of lean forward, but there'd be all these people on a bench.

• 31:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  But the rope would go across their chest.

• 31:52Speaker 03

  And that was cheaper.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  And, yeah.

• 31:54Speaker 03

  But that's weird, cause you're sitting down, aren't you, like, so you're.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  Well, I don't know, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

• 31:59Speaker 04

  So the penny sit-up is that you would, yeah, that you would sit up on a bench all night. And the idea is that folding over would be more comfortable.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  The more I think about, the more I think about hangover is that it's just something that's carried on going from the previous day.

• 32:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  So you feel the way you're feeling now because of what you did yesterday, it's, it's, it's hanging over from yesterday, it's still with you.

• 32:26Speaker 03

  So there are types of hangover that aren't actually related to alcohol. Just like I've heard, there are types of umami that aren't actually related to food.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:36Speaker 03

  I heard that.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  What's umami?

• 32:37Speaker 03

  Umami is the, the delicious savoury flavour.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 32:41Speaker 03

  So like the taste of cheddar cheese or something, like just that lovely kind of.

• 32:45Speaker 04

  Miso.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  Miso.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  Is wasabi got it?

• 32:49Speaker 04

  Is that more spicy? Yeah.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  Okay, can I tell you something?

• 32:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  I don't know what's happened, the last couple of years of my life, every time I brush my teeth now, uh, I, I taste wasabi.

• 33:05Speaker 03

  Right.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  The toothpaste tastes of wasabi to me. This is a really fucking weird thing. I probably maybe shouldn't.

• 33:10Speaker 03

  It's like something out of the twits.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  I maybe shouldn't have brought it up now. Um, but I keep like brushing my teeth. I'm like, God, that tastes to be like wasabi. I've not had any sushi. I haven't had any sushi for ages.

• 33:20Speaker 04

  Have you tried a different toothpaste?

• 33:22Speaker 02

  No, I've had the same toothpaste. I I I know what toothpaste are like. I've been going. I've had it for years. It's blue.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  Hmm. Yeah.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  It stains everything. I get told off by, I get told off by Claire for using it and she keeps, she keeps telling me I should change my toothpaste and I can't. And I've said no to her.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  Do you reckon then she spiked your toothpaste to make you stop using it?

• 33:43Speaker 02

  Do you reckon?

• 33:45Speaker 04

  I mean, potentially.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  That makes sense, to be fair.

• 33:49Speaker 04

  That makes logical sense to me.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  How and how has it been going on for?

• 33:52Speaker 02

  The last couple of years.

• 33:53Speaker 03

  What's good about health stuff? And I always says to Hannah is that like, if it's been going on for like six months, you need to see a doctor.

• 34:01Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 34:01Speaker 03

  But if it's been going on for like 20 years, then you just go, well, it would have.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  This is life, isn't it?

• 34:07Speaker 03

  Happened by now.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  Such is life.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. So that's, so what I always say that time, I'm like, look, you don't understand. I'm not going to improve. Just wait.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  And then you'll get used to all of it.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 34:24Speaker 03

  Just get used to.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  I know, but you do, but you can, um.

• 34:29Speaker 02

  You can, you can obviously, what's the opposite of improve?

• 34:33Speaker 03

  Degenerate.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 34:37Speaker 03

  I mean, that's, yeah, she's, she's got that to look forward to as well.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  But I wouldn't say, I would just say to you, your argument of saying, listen, Hannah, I'm not going to improve. So.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  That gives her the hope that maybe you're set then.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  Oh, I see. No, I haven't said that. No.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  No, okay.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  I've just said, there's a, there's a low ceiling.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 34:57Speaker 03

  Doesn't mean there's a high floor.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Okay. Is this when you're in bed?

• 35:01Speaker 03

  Is it? Yeah.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Hannah, I'm not going to improve.

• 35:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, um.

• 35:09Speaker 07

  Help I Sexed My Boss is the podcast where manners meets mayhem. I'm William Hanson. I'm Jordan North. And together we take on the hilarious challenges of modern life. William's the arbiter of etiquette. And Jordan's the chaotic yin to my perfectly polished yang. So if you want laugh out loud stories and brutally honest moments, then you'll love Help I Sexed My Boss. Watch and listen every Tuesday and Friday. On YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. Just search Sexed It. Be warned, it's a bit rude.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  Where were we with this?

• 35:44Speaker 02

  I don't know. No, we've, we've, so hangover.

• 35:46Speaker 04

  Come round to the meaning of hangover.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, hangover.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  Okay, but by the way, also, all that stuff.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Those rope things were real.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  Can I just say also, that idea of like, actually, people didn't like how they felt the next day,

• 35:59Speaker 03

  even 3,000 years ago, that's neither here nor there. I, I know that people felt bad after they'd had drinking.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  The previous night, after they'd had drinking the day of the night of the previous day and night, that the bad the people felt, and no I then, that in, but like that, that's got nothing to do, no.

• 36:19Speaker 04

  They came up with a word for it though.

• 36:22Speaker 03

  No, nobody ever has said that no one got drunk until the 1920s.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  Nobody said that.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  I didn't get what you meant going back 3,000 years, to be honest with you, mate.

• 36:35Speaker 04

  Listen.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  There's a description of a hangover 3,000 years ago.

• 36:38Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 36:38Speaker 03

  Of course there is. Of course there is. Was it called a hangover? No. So why am I being troubled with it during this part of the podcast?

• 36:47Speaker 04

  It's context. It is context.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  Listen, in Lily May's defence.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  It's not Lily May's fault.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  I didn't bring a fact in.

• 36:54Speaker 04

  I'm feeling like it's my fault, right?

• 36:56Speaker 03

  No, it's not your fault. I'm just, I.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  I've not brought a fact in, so.

• 36:59Speaker 03

  You haven't done a fact.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Lily May's padded out, you know.

• 37:02Speaker 04

  This is a regular feature. This is, this is the normal part.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  No, but you did go back, you did, you did, we were sort of talking about hangovers and you went, there is records of hangovers 3,000 years ago. And I think Joe's point is, yeah, obviously.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  Of course, yeah. We're talking about, we're talking about the.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  I think that's what it is, yeah.

• 37:16Speaker 04

  You think I'm feeling it.

• 37:17Speaker 03

  It's like me saying, oh, the, the word dinosaur was invented by the Victorians. And then someone going, oh, well, there were dinosaurs 60 million years ago.

• 37:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, but they weren't called dinosaurs.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  No, they weren't calling each other dinosaurs, were they?

• 37:29Speaker 03

  They weren't, yeah. They were going, oh, good morning dinosaur. How are you?

• 37:32Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 37:32Speaker 03

  They're like, oh, they're chefs.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  I apologize.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  No, it's not your fault. I, I, I, it, it's, somebody's feeding you. I don't know whether you've, I don't know whether something's happened to the internet.

• 37:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Anyway, if you've got a fact that you'd like us to get to the bottom of, um, head to the episode's description for all the ways to get in touch.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Um, Joe, do you wanna take a breather or do you wanna get stuck into your thing?

• 37:57Speaker 03

  I'm happy to go on, actually. I'm happy to go on.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  So, look, there's no theme, but, um, I've been reading a book and it has been mentioned in the comments, so it's called Goliath's Curse by Luke Kemp. Um, he's an Australian. Uh, we always seem to talk about Australia in the end. I don't, I don't know why.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  It always comes around to, uh, either anus or Australia.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  We either talk about poo, um, animals or Australia.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  That's the podcast.

• 38:22Speaker 03

  That's the podcast. That's what it should be called, really.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Um.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  From animals to Australia.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  Animals to Australia via.

• 38:28Speaker 04

  To anus.

• 38:29Speaker 03

  An anus, yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 04

  Triple A.

• 38:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, triple A.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Anus, Australia, animals.

• 38:32Speaker 03

  Animals, yeah. Yeah. Um, so it's a, it's a really interesting book and there is, I had no idea this was true, but there is a region, um, in the sort of northwest China, north Thailand, Thailand, Thailand, what do you say? Thailand. Kind of northeast Pakistan. There's this whole area.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  Like Ireland.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  Ireland.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  I'd say Thailand.

• 39:03Speaker 03

  Ireland. I was once in a play where I was doing an Irish accent and a really nice actor called Aiden, um, oh god, Macardle. Aiden Macardle. He was really sweet. I was doing an Irish accent. He's Irish. And he said, you're doing a, you're doing a good job. Um, you are, he said, there's a few words you could work on. One of them was literally the word Ireland.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 39:22Speaker 03

  And, um.

• 39:22Speaker 02

  There is more to Ireland than this.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Anyway, he was, he was being, I think he was being rather nice to me. But I appreciate that, but he was like, well, first of all, Ireland, you're saying that wrong.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:33Speaker 03

  And that's a pretty big one.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:34Speaker 03

  If you're trying to do an Irish. It's got, it's got very, very deep R. That iron, it's right at the back of the throat. And it's a bit like the American R, and that's why Irish people are good at doing American accents.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  Yes. I also.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  Anyway, the New York accent is so much like an Irish accent.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  Claire and I would, uh, assume a lot of Scottish people.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  Um, don't like how. If people were doing a Scottish, trying to do a Glaswegian accent in a funny way, the way they say Glasgow. Um, because it's, the joke is, is like, Glaskey.

• 40:06Speaker 03

  Glaskey, yeah. I have heard people from Glasgow say it that way.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  Glaskey?

• 40:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  Um, I'm, I've heard it on good authority.

• 40:13Speaker 03

  Well, they never say that.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  They don't say Glaskey. They say Glazga.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  Glazga.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Glazga. And even I'm doing that badly. But as far as I'm aware, if you did. Apart from what you, apart from what you're just saying, i- if, if you said Glaskey to a Glaswegian, they'd be a bit annoyed.

• 40:34Speaker 03

  Okay. I'm just gonna stick to saying, um, uh, Glasgow.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  Glasgow.

• 40:41Speaker 03

  Just the normal, like Moscow, yeah. I'm just gonna stick to saying, um, Edinburgh.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Americans, they really do, they really did, um.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  They do, uh, they've really sort of, what's the word I'm trying to say? I'm so tired, Joe.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  No, it's all right. I, I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to work out what area of.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  No, but the cow bit, the cow bit in Moscow.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  Moscow.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  They're quite literal, aren't they?

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, they've seen the cow.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  Moscow.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  C O W and they call it Moscow.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  Moscow, yeah.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  But it's Moscow.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  They've got, they've, yeah, they don't talk proper. They've made lots of mistakes.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  I saw a thing, um.

• 41:19Speaker 03

  There's a great number of mistakes.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  I saw a thing on my Instagram. It was some, um, bloke, I think from Iran or Iraq or something. He was going, by the way, it's not Iran, Iraq. It's Iran, Iran, Iran.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  Do you know what's called Iran?

• 41:34Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 41:35Speaker 03

  Cause it's the home of the Aryans.

• 41:38Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  So they are, they, no, no, but they are.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  A big reaction.

• 41:42Speaker 03

  Iran.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  Something I didn't understand at all whatsoever.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  Iran, the fa- the, the founding of, um, the modern state of Iran. This is just the rest of this history. They're like, we are not an Arab nation, we're an Aryan nation. And it's interesting because with Aryan, we think of that as being a sort of. Part of the Nazi bullshit, but like, as a kind of European thing, but then I know this is the land of the Aryans. So it's just, I don't know. Everyone's, everyone's got their own little ideas about where they come from and, um. They all think they're more important than everyone else. But yeah, they're like, but we're not, they're, they're. I feel like in the West, a lot of people lump Iran in with the with the Arab nations. And actually, they would be like, not only are we not an Arab nation, in a way, we define ourselves sort of against them. They're kind of our opponents.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, Iran's amazing. They've got an incredible history.

• 42:29Speaker 03

  Amazing history.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  Persia and.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  Absolutely amazing history.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  Maybe we should do a little Persian.

• 42:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Theme.

• 42:38Speaker 03

  Oh, that'd be good.

• 42:40Speaker 02

  You could go anywhere with it, though.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  Be great.

• 42:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  Ancient Persia and.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. Modern day Iran, they're not having a bit of a difficult time at the moment, but um.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  Was it Solomon?

• 42:52Speaker 03

  Was that?

• 42:52Speaker 02

  Solomon the Great?

• 42:54Speaker 03

  There was.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  Who was the one that during the Crusades and he sort of just sort of.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  This is too.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  They ended up being Pali.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  I can't, yeah, um, um, oh, Saladin.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Saladin, that's it, Saladin.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  And um.

• 43:10Speaker 03

  There's a, there's a bit in that film where they meet the leper king of Jerusalem and he's like, oh, I beat Saladin. So I did. Did I really? Did I really, Mubs? I suppose.

• 43:23Speaker 02

  Who's the king?

• 43:24Speaker 03

  And he's got a golden mask on. Behind that mask, I think it's an absolute horror show, to be honest. He's got that.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  It's King Richard, wasn't it? King Richard became pals with him.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  Richard the Lionheart?

• 43:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Did they become sort of pals? Cause there was like this, you know, there was bits where they'd they'd meet up for battle or something and Saladin would go, mate.

• 43:45Speaker 03

  You'd do that.

• 43:45Speaker 02

  I don't fancy it. I don't fancy.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  I don't fancy it, yeah.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  I don't fancy it if I was you.

• 43:49Speaker 03

  He was pretty good, Saladin. I think the Christians were shit.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, they were awful.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  They lost every battle. They just, they'd never, and then they'd go, oh, we haven't won that. Let's just beat up someone else.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  Well, the first Crusade was.

• 44:00Speaker 03

  Don't do that. Just, just go home.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  Genuinely a joke.

• 44:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. They failed, they failed in their missions. They're like, let's just attack some other people.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:09Speaker 03

  And I will know, don't just, I know you're all excited, but like, you need to call it a day. Like, you can't just, the other people haven't done anything. The first people haven't really done anything, but at least that was the aim of the game.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  It was the, the people's crusade, the first, or the peasants crusade.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  They do crusades on everyone. They, they did a crusade against the Harsites. They were in Czechoslovakia.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  That's not Jerusalem, is it?

• 44:30Speaker 02

  No.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  Not by a long chalk. Not by a long chalk.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  Has it, has, have you done your fat?

• 44:36Speaker 03

  Not yet, no.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 44:37Speaker 03

  So basically, so there is a, there is a region, I did not even, I'd never fucking heard of it. This is a region, it is 2.5 million square kilometres, it has a hundred million people in it. If it was a country, it would be the 10th biggest country by area in the world. It is simply an area, it is stateless, it is not governed, it has no obvious central authority. A hundred million people live there, in the book it's referred to as Zomia. It's kind of in the sort of Tibet, Nepal, like high, I think it's called the East Asian something massif.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  I just, I'd never heard of it, it's extraordinary, a hundred million people, not a country, not a state, um.

• 45:25Speaker 03

  I just, it blew my mind, I just, I'd never.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is nuts.

• 45:28Speaker 03

  Unbelievable, I mean, like, it's just kind of.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  It's not a part of China.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  No, it's, it overlaps, because I was saying, oh, it's sort of, it overlaps these countries, but of course, it doesn't really overlap the countries, because the countries don't overlap it, because there isn't authority in it, but, um. And it's various people who for all different reasons live there, normally because they are probably fleeing an authority under which they, under which they do not wish to live.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:53Speaker 03

  Um, and it's.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  I, I just had no idea, I just, it was extraordinary.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  You wouldn't think something like that would exist in this day and age.

• 46:02Speaker 03

  You would not think it would exist, but actually.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  Like what you're saying, there's no central government, there's no real sort of rules or, you know, they're sort of just getting on with it themselves. So I assume there's no army.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  No.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  So you think you, a land mass, a, a, a land that much will have some resources and stuff. So you would have thought someone in that area would have gone, we'd better take this over.

• 46:23Speaker 03

  It's quite hard, it's the terrain, basically, it's the terrain.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:27Speaker 03

  And, and a big theme of this book is the West, it's, it's the whole book about how states are formed. And a lot of it is to do with factors to do with like what resources it has and whether those resources are easily what the author calls looted. So if you have wheat as your main resource, it's very easy for somebody to take all the wheat because it advertises itself. It's very obvious that the wheat is there. It's very obvious that the wheat harvest is coming. And so you can just turn up to somebody who's growing the wheat and say, well, that's actually ours. And you can store it for a long time. Whereas if you have, if you have things that more like, oh, God, I can't think of the examples now,

• 47:09Speaker 03

  like potato, I think even maybe potatoes, like you, you can hide them underground, they go off a bit more quickly, you can't store them as much. So lootable resources is one of his things. And then also caged land. So if you can kind of keep people, if you can stop people from leaving easily, that's another thing that will make it easier to set up your. I mean, the whole theme of the, the author, I would say, it's definitely a kind of, in very broad terms, you would say he's kind of anti-state. He doesn't really like, I mean, this is probably doing him a disservice, but like, it's, it's kind of about how states are basically ways of dominating people.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:44Speaker 03

  And if you don't want to be dominated, your best chance is to be somewhere where it's easy to escape.

• 47:50Speaker 02

  I quite like being dominated.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  Well, me too. I mean, and that's the reason I started reading the book. And there's nothing of that yet.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  No.

• 47:57Speaker 03

  I thought it was like Fifty Shades.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:59Speaker 03

  Nothing, absolutely. I can't.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  That's what we need to do next as well.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  Fifty Shades. I would like some scenes recommended for Fifty Shades because I, I haven't seen the film.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  I've not seen it either.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 03

  I haven't seen either. But anyway, so and but then, but if you do want to then run away and not be brought back under the control of a state, it's quite good to go somewhere like really inaccessible terrain. And I have, I'm sure that's why this area is here in this part of the world, because it's like mountainous. If you know the land well, you've got a big advantage over any kind of invader. I just had no blows my mind, a hundred million people, this whole, this big area of land, not country, just kind of just there in plain sight, just didn't know, extraordinary.

• 48:42Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  Unbelievable, that.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  Good old fact there, Joe.

• 48:45Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  I think that brings us to the end.

• 48:48Speaker 03

  It brings us to the end.

• 48:49Speaker 02

  I'm just gonna say my sentences like that now as well.

• 48:52Speaker 03

  Brings us to the end.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  I think that brings us to the end.

• 48:56Speaker 02

  Um, I'm, I'm all fact out, Joe. I am all fact out. I'm really tired. I'm not going to be too tired for the next, uh, recording. I promise you. Um, what have we learnt today? Well, we've learnt that, um, the first hangover was 3000 years ago.

• 49:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they called it a hangover.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  And they called it a hangover.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  They've learned that you can put anything on the internet, even if it's a load of old shit.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  We learnt that, um.

• 49:20Speaker 03

  I know, I'm not gonna go, I'm not gonna get you, Lily May.

• 49:22Speaker 04

  I mean, it really feels like.

• 49:23Speaker 03

  You didn't, you.

• 49:24Speaker 04

  I might have to.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  Knock him out.

• 49:26Speaker 04

  I might knock you out.

• 49:27Speaker 03

  Oh, that'd be amazing.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  Off with his head.

• 49:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:31Speaker 02

  Careful, she's the queen. Um, we learnt that.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  I never touched that swan.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. We learnt that, um,

• 49:41Speaker 02

  you can fingerprint an anus. What was it?

• 49:43Speaker 03

  I can just see you scrolling.

• 49:48Speaker 04

  We could, we learnt more about snakes.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  We learnt a bit more about snakes. We learnt that there's a country that's not a country.

• 49:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  That's absolutely massive for loads of people.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  Um, so yeah, thanks for listening. We hope that you have had a nice time. Um, it doesn't necessarily need to be both. Or learnt something, sorry.

• 50:08Speaker 04

  Tried.

• 50:09Speaker 03

  Well, no, we hope that you've had a nice time.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  I've really hit a wall. I didn't get much sleep last night.

• 50:13Speaker 03

  It doesn't necessarily be both nice and a time.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  If you haven't had a time, I really don't know what to tell you.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  Oh dear. We'll be back next week, armed with more facts, chats and.

• 50:26Speaker 03

  Shit splats.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  Nice. We, we must have already done that one, surely.

• 50:30Speaker 04

  Uh, you know what? I'm not sure we have.

• 50:32Speaker 03

  Amazing that we haven't.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  All I've got is XXX on mine.

• 50:34Speaker 03

  I've got shit splats.

• 50:35Speaker 04

  Oh, shit splats, sorry.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 50:37Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm supposed to have read that.

• 50:38Speaker 04

  It's because I updated just one of the scripts.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 50:40Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  Uh, I thought you came up with that yourself. I was like, well done, Joe.

• 50:44Speaker 03

  No, I can't, I can't get to that kind of level.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Um, get in touch with us, please, if you want us to fact check something. Um, our email is hello at joandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp is O7822034330. You can also follow us on social media at joandjamespod.

• 51:01Speaker 03

  Don't laugh, right?

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Do you know why I'm laughing?

• 51:05Speaker 03

  Follow us.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  I'm just laughing because I was literally just thinking of the last two episodes that we've recorded.

• 51:12Speaker 03

  They're all right.

• 51:13Speaker 02

  I was just like, that's like, I don't, I'm, I'm not a hundred percent sure I like my name being put on the last two episodes.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  They're, I think, I think they're, I think they're fine.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  It's good stuff.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  It is. And my brain just went, isn't it funny how you can just put this shit out?

• 51:28Speaker 04

  I mean, this episode's gonna be called, What About The Anus?

• 51:30Speaker 02

  All About The Anus.

• 51:31Speaker 04

  And you don't want to stick your name to that.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  This is a good app.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  All about any, any anus stuff that you want to get to us, please. Um, at Joe and James pod. Um, and if you've already forgotten those details, head to the podcast description. I'm gonna go and get some sleep and then we'll be back. I'll be back nice and fresh for the next episode.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  You have a week's sleep.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  I'm gonna have a week's sleep and we'll be back. Um, thanks guys for listening. Cheers. That's the end.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  Bye.

• 52:09Speaker 05

  1965, London. The world's largest uncut diamond has been stolen from the Natural History Museum. Shortly after, a young London window cleaner is arrested.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  They said, you're nicked, you're in a lot of trouble.

• 52:23Speaker 05

  But was he set up? Wanted, I fled to fall of two cops. His family say he is guilty, but of a totally different crime.

• 52:33Speaker 06

  You don't want to end up going to prison, do you, kidlet?

• 52:35Speaker 05

  I'm J C Long and this is Rough Diamond. Listen now wherever you get your podcasts.