Pod Insights Joe and James Fact Up Can you call Attenborough a C***? About this episode This Week Joe Thomas and James Buckley talk about the joy of self assembly furniture, how Simon Bird almost became a Doctor and Joe shares how he felt lost without the rest of The Inbetweeners cast when filming 'The Festival'.
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1:03 Speaker 02 Have you ever bought a bed from Ikea? They've sort of cornered, they lock you in.
1:09 Speaker 03 Okay, yeah.
1:10 Speaker 02 Because they've got the very specific.
1:13 Speaker 03 Yeah. I've encountered a bit of this as well. I've encountered a bit of this as well.
1:17 Speaker 02 If you buy a bed from Ikea, you need to buy the mattress from Ikea.
1:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:21 Speaker 02 And then if you wanna change that mattress or, or, I don't know, you're stuck with the bed, with the frame. And Ikea's got you down.
1:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:33 Speaker 02 They are, you cannot get away from Ikea once you buy. Do you know there's people that, um, that will, that you can hire? That will put your flat pack furniture together?
1:46 Speaker 03 I don't know why I would pay somebody to go through one of the most pleasurable activities.
1:52 Speaker 02 I, I love it.
1:53 Speaker 03 Still actually available to me.
1:55 Speaker 02 I absolutely love putting together.
1:57 Speaker 03 What the fuck? Well, I'm gonna pay somebody to like have a poo for me. I mean, what the fuck? Gee, you'd be fucking lucky if I'm paying you to put a flat pack together.
2:05 Speaker 02 Honestly, like, I have been left in a room. And Claire's like, you all right doing that all by yourself? And I go, yeah, I'll see you in about eight hours. Don't worry. And I, I, I'll stick the radio on and I'll just get to work.
2:18 Speaker 03 Lego is recreational, rightly so. And this is Lego, it's Lego for adults.
2:25 Speaker 02 That's it.
2:25 Speaker 03 Lego for adults, I love it.
2:27 Speaker 02 But you can sort of, um, you know, you can take it to the, to the next level because Ikea are quite good about. They give you your, your little spanner that you need or your little Allen key that you need. I've got all that stuff already. So I like, I've got like sort of Allen key bits. I can put in my Coolish drill and stuff like that. And I'm just like, fuck, I just get away with it. I absolutely love it.
2:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:48 Speaker 02 I love following a.
2:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:51 Speaker 02 And, and the instruction, the Ikea instruction. Can we get an Ikea sponsorship? We're not sponsored by Ikea, by the way. Should probably mention. But the.
2:58 Speaker 03 It's amazing that we're not, given how much we're doing.
3:02 Speaker 02 The Ikea instructions. Oh my God.
3:05 Speaker 03 I like the little Murray's kind of going. And then, and then it's breaking, he's going. Um, do you know, there's a little.
3:12 Speaker 04 Can you describe that face for audio listeners?
3:14 Speaker 03 Um, there's a little sort of, um. Uh, a little fella with a sort of slightly sharp face. Is that, is that fair? He just has a sharp moon.
3:24 Speaker 02 He's sort of like the Ikea equivalent of, do you remember that little?
3:29 Speaker 03 Fido Dido.
3:30 Speaker 02 He's a bit like that, yeah. But also, do you remember that little paper clip that would turn up in Microsoft?
3:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, he's like that. Yeah, he is. He is that.
3:39 Speaker 02 He would tell, he would tell you how to use your computer.
3:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:42 Speaker 02 Back in the day where like, when computers were like really new, you had to have this little cartoon paper clip that would go. Press the start, press the little start button and you'll get all your applications up.
3:53 Speaker 03 That's right. The home computer, the birth of home computer. And, and I, I'm interested in how.
4:01 Speaker 03 When no words are used, it doesn't matter what your native tongue is, you can understand these instructions. And that is interesting. They're managing to convey, you know, sort of, if this happens, do not do this, but do this without using any words. And I think that is, you know, that's really interesting. And
4:20 Speaker 02 Do you think that people tune into two blokes off the inbetweeners to hear them talk about Ikea?
4:26 Speaker 03 Uh, I certainly hope so.
4:28 Speaker 02 This is the problem. So like,
4:29 Speaker 03 I don't know what this is.
4:30 Speaker 02 I love this sort of chat. I will ask you this, Joe. What have you been doing? What have you been doing with your trainers?
4:37 Speaker 03 This is my trainers again. Are they starting to look a little bit?
4:40 Speaker 02 Like, what is it about you?
4:41 Speaker 03 The thing, okay, all I will say is that
4:44 Speaker 02 Because you've got
4:44 Speaker 03 I do wear my shoes. I don't, I mean, shoes are
4:47 Speaker 02 But what are you doing?
4:48 Speaker 03 They are on the ground and it's like trying to keep your car tyres in good condition.
4:55 Speaker 02 They get knackered really quickly, mate.
4:57 Speaker 03 They do. And I'm already worried that I am, I suppose the problem is I don't, I should have more than one pair of shoes. And I thought I did, but then it turned out that my trainers probably were a bit beyond the pale. I mean, they were about seven or eight years old.
5:15 Speaker 02 Do you know what you should get? You should get a pair of Converse.
5:19 Speaker 03 Okay.
5:20 Speaker 02 Because the more knackered they get, the more cool they look, right?
5:24 Speaker 03 That's what I thought was happening with the trainers I started off this podcast with.
5:28 Speaker 02 But you've got really posh, Japanese sort of trainers.
5:32 Speaker 03 And I'm wearing them everywhere, aren't I? And they're getting knackered.
5:35 Speaker 02 Do you know what? Someone told me when I was young, they said, you can always judge someone by their shoes.
5:43 Speaker 03 I actually have heard this as well. And I benefited from it because when I first met Hannah,
5:54 Speaker 02 Hmm.
5:54 Speaker 03 I just happened to be wearing
5:56 Speaker 02 She was just barefoot.
5:57 Speaker 03 I happened to bring a really expensive pair of shoes,
6:00 Speaker 02 Right.
6:01 Speaker 03 Which I'd called, called churches.
6:04 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. No, I remember your churches.
6:05 Speaker 03 And Hannah was very impressed by them.
6:07 Speaker 02 Yeah. I was as well. I remember when you bought those.
6:09 Speaker 03 This is a guy who's going places.
6:12 Speaker 02 I remember when you bought those churches because Bond, we haven't spoken about Bond for a couple of weeks, have we?
6:18 Speaker 03 Okay.
6:19 Speaker 02 Bond, there's a reference somewhere. Somewhere in Bond lore, I don't know if he's in the books or if he's in the films or something.
6:28 Speaker 03 Drinks and my tea and he drives an Aston Martin.
6:30 Speaker 02 He gets his shoes from churches.
6:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
6:33 Speaker 02 He gets his suits from Savile Row.
6:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:36 Speaker 02 He gets his shoes from churches. And I remember when you said, when you, because I was like, fucking hell, they're posh shoes.
6:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:43 Speaker 02 You're like, yeah, they're churches, mate. And they are, they are, you know, they are.
6:48 Speaker 03 I didn't want to buy them. I bought them.
6:50 Speaker 02 They're not cheap, these shoes.
6:52 Speaker 03 I think they cost five hundred.
6:53 Speaker 04 I've never even heard of them.
6:53 Speaker 03 They're, they're, they're English brogues. This pair of shoes cost five hundred pounds. That was a lot of money, particularly at the time.
7:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:01 Speaker 03 I was, I was definitely one of the situations where I, I bought them out of embarrassment.
7:03 Speaker 02 I think it was like.
7:04 Speaker 03 I thought they might be about two hundred pounds and I wandered over to them.
7:07 Speaker 02 I think it was just as we were starting the.
7:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:09 Speaker 02 Third series or something like that.
7:11 Speaker 03 It was still a lot of money for me. I didn't really have.
7:14 Speaker 02 On five hundred pound pair of shoes money.
7:17 Speaker 03 No, I didn't, I didn't really have five hundred pounds to spend on a pair of shoes, but um.
7:24 Speaker 02 Fucking good investment in the end, isn't it?
7:26 Speaker 03 Paid off, didn't it?
7:27 Speaker 02 There you go.
7:28 Speaker 03 And I do think that, I feel that I probably. I cer- I certainly could not have afforded a Savile Row suit at the time.
7:36 Speaker 02 No.
7:36 Speaker 03 Because that's thousands and thousands of pounds. But at a.
7:39 Speaker 02 I couldn't even tell you. I'd love a Savile Row suit.
7:41 Speaker 03 At a stretch, I could just about get myself these shoes.
7:45 Speaker 02 Just sneak those in, on the budget there.
7:48 Speaker 03 It's like you're having a little taste of like, the, well, the Bond level, right? Just a little. And not really something that I can match up to in other areas, but in this one area.
7:57 Speaker 02 It's your whole theory, again, that holds, that, that holds true about men, just dressing.
8:04 Speaker 03 Yes.
8:04 Speaker 02 For the jobs and the people that they wish they were. Yeah.
8:07 Speaker 03 Absolutely. That's absolutely right. It's, it's um.
8:11 Speaker 02 So you were buying those shoes, you thought you were an international sexy spy.
8:14 Speaker 03 Yeah. All male fashion.
8:16 Speaker 02 And Hannah fell for it.
8:18 Speaker 03 She did. She thought, here's a guy who's.
8:20 Speaker 02 And then, you know, you've had a baby with her and uh, got it, Hannah.
8:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, she, she got completely.
8:26 Speaker 02 Joke's on you, love.
8:27 Speaker 03 Got completely the wrong idea.
8:29 Speaker 02 Yeah. You fooled her. Good for you.
8:31 Speaker 03 Yeah. I was like a spy in as much as I was lying to her.
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8:44 Speaker 04 Up and down.
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8:52 Speaker 02 Right, here we are. It's us. It's me and Joe. Joe and James Fact Up. That's the name of this podcast. Each week we will, we bring one another a fact that we deem interesting and our policy is the more interesting, the more true it is. We'll also dig into the weird things that you'd like us to fact check, that you can't be asked to research yourself in a segment that we're calling Fact Check.
9:16 Speaker 03 We are also calling fact check.
9:18 Speaker 02 Sorry. Let's spoil it a little bit there.
9:21 Speaker 03 You didn't spoil it.
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9:48 Speaker 04 Yep, yep. So there's some Spotify videos up on there. I think we're, I think we're drip feeding them. I'm not in charge of that side of things. I can't say for sure. I think we'll have some more coming up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:00 Speaker 02 All right. Um, but it doesn't matter as well because
10:02 Speaker 04 They're all on YouTube.
10:03 Speaker 02 Do people watch stuff? Well, I don't want to say that.
10:07 Speaker 03 I imagine.
10:07 Speaker 02 I was about to say, do people watch stuff on Spotify? But I don't want to bite the hands that feed me. No, of course they do. We've not got our fingers on the knob of youth, have we?
10:16 Speaker 03 No, we haven't.
10:17 Speaker 02 That's part of it. That's part of it.
10:20 Speaker 03 I always think that the, the, the stage of life that I'm in, I kind of term it post-youth. I don't think I'm old. I don't think they'd be crazy. And it kind of annoys me the kind of, the, the, the sort of, there's a bit of a trope of men who are about my age being like, oh God, I'm so old. And I'm like, well, all right. But like, it's not, it's a bit boring after a while. Like, you're not old. You're not 90.
10:41 Speaker 02 I've just sort of leant into, like I was.
10:44 Speaker 03 I'm pretty comfortable being 32.
10:46 Speaker 02 I think we've always, me, you and it's, and Blake and Bird. We've never been party animals.
10:56 Speaker 03 No.
10:57 Speaker 02 Or, I don't know, man. Like, we never, we never, we were never excited about being young. Even when we were like in our twenties, we were like, and we were making, like, we'd go to. Where were we making that first film? Where was it? Magaluf?
11:11 Speaker 03 Magaluf. And we shot something in Malia as well. Mallorca.
11:15 Speaker 02 We went to Mallorca, right? And it was like, oh, we're making it in Magaluf. And then Bird would be like, oh, I've arranged for, we're gonna go to a vineyard at the weekend and stuff like that. We were like, fucking brilliant. Yeah, amazing. Yeah, great.
11:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, we, yeah.
11:29 Speaker 02 Like, we've always been that sort of
11:32 Speaker 03 Completely.
11:32 Speaker 02 like person already.
11:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:35 Speaker 02 Like before we were, like, while we were twenty three or whatever.
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13:25 Speaker 02 Bird, like Simon Bird. When Simon Bird, who's super bright, right? He's super intelligent, Simon Bird, isn't he? Really, really clever boy. And, um, and he, when we were doing,
13:38 Speaker 02 when we were doing the first series of The Inbetweeners, he, he'd spent a few years at college at that point, at university at that point. And then The Inbetweeners took off and Simon Bird's really great. And obviously what he's doing is what he should be doing. Like, he's really good at it. Um, but he is very well educated, Cambridge. And he'd, he was, what was he doing? English philosophy or something like that? Was that right?
14:07 Speaker 03 He was doing a PhD in, well,
14:13 Speaker 03 something in the kind of cultural criticism area. Sort of like, basically, English literature.
14:20 Speaker 02 Right. But he was, um, but he's super bright. Like, he's super intelligent and he's like, and he's also very, very funny. Um, so he had options, Bird. Like, he had, he had the world at his feet. At one point, he could have gone whatever direction he wanted to go to.
14:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:37 Speaker 02 And, um, people like him, whatever they decide to do, they'll be like super successful. Like, because I know he's doing a lot of directing at the moment.
14:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:45 Speaker 02 I'd love to work with Bird, with him as my director. Because I just think his instincts and his.
14:52 Speaker 03 And he gets you.
14:53 Speaker 02 And his knowledge. I think you, I would, I would just go, if he said to me, I think you should do it like this, I'd go, yeah. No, I'll do it like that.
14:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:00 Speaker 02 Um, but he, he was this close. And I'm, for people listening, I'm, I'm doing that thing where I'm holding my thumb and my finger quite close together. To getting his doctorate.
15:12 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:13 Speaker 02 Um, but he sort of dropped out and he was like, oh, do you know what? I think this Inbetweeners thing is taking off and I might just sort of pursue that.
15:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:20 Speaker 02 But I love, I would have loved if he'd have got that doctorate. And then when we were doing the film and stuff like that and the credits come up and it said Dr. Simon Bird. It would have been amazing. It would have been brilliant. It would have been absolutely brilliant.
15:33 Speaker 03 Reverend Joe Thomas.
15:36 Speaker 02 But just, just finishing your doctorate, just for that joke alone, I think would have been well worth it.
15:42 Speaker 03 I imagine there's people out there with PhDs who think they got less out of it than that. I think this is actually genuine, I think the proportion.
15:54 Speaker 03 Let me get this right, the proportion of unemployed people with PhDs is higher than the proportion of employed people with PhDs.
16:06 Speaker 02 Right. There's more people, there's more PhD.
16:10 Speaker 03 The percent, so you got all the unemployed people and you got all the employed people and you said, what percentage of both groups have got PhDs? There would be a higher proportion in the unemployed group.
16:21 Speaker 02 You put yourself in a weird position really, didn't you? Because it's like, I suppose it's like me and you in that there are genuinely.
16:35 Speaker 02 You know, if I wanted to, like I could be acting every week, maybe. Why are you laughing? Why is that funny? No, no, no. But, but I won't get offered those roles because it's like, oh, it's a scene in a TV. It's just one scene in this TV show.
16:57 Speaker 03 Are you talking about being overqualified?
16:58 Speaker 02 So I'm sort of overqualified for that, but underqualified for doing most other things. So you find yourself in this sort of limbo of like, I don't know, with people with PhDs, they're not gonna. I don't know, like I don't want to be derogatory, but they're not going to wash your car. But also there's only so many jobs for someone with your qualifications.
17:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:27 Speaker 02 And I do, I find myself in that situation where I'm not gonna.
17:33 Speaker 02 I'm not gonna say two lines in EastEnders, for example, but the kind of work that I do, I'm not big enough or good enough to do it. So, or, you know, or have the experience to sort of. I mean, I did a film a couple of years ago, I did a film that I starred in. And even when I was doing it, and it was a British film and stuff, and it wasn't like a big film or anything, but even when I was doing it, I was like. I don't think I've, I don't think I'm the guy to carry a film. I don't think I'm the, the, the star of the film. I think I'm the star's mate who's quite funny.
18:14 Speaker 02 Like, that's where I can sort of shine. I don't think you could put a film on my shoulders.
18:19 Speaker 03 I'm, I'm one of four mates, I think. That's what, that's what I think. Like, I'm, I'm. Yeah, no, I know, I, I know what you mean. Well, no, I did, I did fool with the festival, remember that?
18:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:29 Speaker 03 And I was basically like, where are the other three? When are they, when are they getting here? And it was a bit weird having to be like, oh, is it just, it was like playing five-a-side and your team hasn't turned up. And you're like, oh, God, can the ref play?
18:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:44 Speaker 03 I mean.
18:45 Speaker 02 That was, what was that? Like, I've heard, I've heard it was awful to make that film. Not awful in the sense that.
18:50 Speaker 03 It was really just a make.
18:51 Speaker 02 Difficult.
18:51 Speaker 03 Obviously, also brilliant other actors in it, I should say, like, amazing other actors. But like, yeah, it's, um.
18:57 Speaker 02 Cause you shot at the week, at a week, you spent a weekend at a festival, is that right?
19:02 Speaker 03 We shot, yeah, we shot a festival and also at Leeds. The festival stuff was really stressful because.
19:10 Speaker 02 But it doesn't work unless you can like, unless you've got like a budget of fifty million pounds where you can set up a festival.
19:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:19 Speaker 02 And go, right, all these people are extras.
19:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:24 Speaker 02 Whereas what, what you guys were trying to do was to just piggyback an actual festival that was going on.
19:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:32 Speaker 02 And make a fucking film around that.
19:34 Speaker 03 We were trying to get the crowd to do acting at Leeds.
19:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:38 Speaker 03 I had to, we, they, they sent me out on stage to try and, um. It was actually too fair, I wasn't a lot, it was me and a guy called James Gill, who's a, a friend of Ian, very nice man, a, a promoter and a stand-up. And we went out.
19:58 Speaker 03 And we were so terrified, like we were just like, I don't want to, please don't go out there. Please don't make me go out there. I just don't want to do it.
20:04 Speaker 02 Obviously you said yes, because you.
20:05 Speaker 03 Of course I said yeah, because I famously I'm not.
20:08 Speaker 02 You don't, you've never said no. The boy that never said no.
20:11 Speaker 03 Was ever a no. Yeah, it's amazing I'm not.
20:12 Speaker 02 Children's book about that. It's like the opposite of a boy who cried wolf. The boy, the boy who never said no.
20:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:19 Speaker 02 And what, and what situations he got into.
20:23 Speaker 03 Yeah. Um, but yeah, it was, um.
20:27 Speaker 02 But making films is, is like, it is stressful. It is sort of, you know, there's, there's more, there's more stressful. At the end of the day, just trying to make a fucking film. It's not life or death. But when you're in that bubble and you're like, fucking hell, we've got to get this done, otherwise we're not going to have anything to show the people that have put money into this film, that we've got a product.
20:49 Speaker 03 And they told me they, they needed this shot of, of the crowd all doing this particular hand movement.
20:55 Speaker 02 Right.
20:56 Speaker 03 Which was something to do with, it was like the DJ's signature move or something. They had to do that or something.
21:00 Speaker 02 Right.
21:01 Speaker 03 And it was my job to go out and get them to do it.
21:04 Speaker 02 Yeah. You're not a hype man, are you, Joe?
21:05 Speaker 03 I'm not really a hype man, am I? No. Right. Everyone on this side. I've only got one idea for hype, which is, right, I'm going to draw an imaginary line down the middle of the crowd.
21:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
21:16 Speaker 03 And I want everyone on this side to go, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. And I want everyone on this side to go, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee. And.
21:24 Speaker 02 All the, all the ladies now.
21:26 Speaker 03 All the ladies now. Yeah.
21:27 Speaker 02 Oh, what about the guys? Can you do better than that?
21:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's the only idea I've got is they do it. And I'm like, that was absolutely pathetic.
21:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
21:37 Speaker 03 You can do better than that, Leeds. That's another thing I hate. Little ad, yeah.
21:41 Speaker 02 So the thing is.
21:42 Speaker 03 That's another thing. But yeah, so let me, sorry, let me say, so basically to conclude, basically, they didn't do it. They were all chanting boner at me.
21:49 Speaker 02 Right, of course, yes.
21:51 Speaker 03 But that was better than I thought it might have been.
21:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
21:54 Speaker 03 Because the producer specifically said, like, this was a, a real option. If what happens is that they just start chucking bottles of piss at you.
22:03 Speaker 02 We can use that.
22:04 Speaker 03 Then you're allowed to come off.
22:05 Speaker 02 Right.
22:05 Speaker 03 But also, but also we can use that.
22:07 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. No, I thought they were gonna, I thought they were gonna go, we can use that.
22:09 Speaker 03 Who was the in-betweens? They would have, they would have used that.
22:11 Speaker 02 Oh, of course, yeah.
22:12 Speaker 03 So I went out, they didn't do what I wanted. They were all chanting boner.
22:15 Speaker 02 The unlucky thing is.
22:16 Speaker 03 But I thought, actually, that's probably a win.
22:18 Speaker 02 Is that if you were on stage and they handed you a big novelty cheque, you would have known what to say in that situation, wouldn't you?
22:25 Speaker 03 Or, can I take this cheque away? Obviously not in my pocket.
22:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, see, you had, you had that, ironically, in the pocket. It was already ready to go.
22:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, I did have that in my, yeah.
22:35 Speaker 02 Right, JT.
22:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
22:37 Speaker 02 I do need to present a fact, uh, because I didn't do one in the last episode.
22:41 Speaker 03 No, well, as we've discussed, you, you, um, refrained from doing a fact because it was lent.
22:47 Speaker 02 I did. I abstained from.
22:49 Speaker 03 You abstained, exactly.
22:50 Speaker 02 Fact checking. But, uh, this week, we are doing a fact about trees.
22:55 Speaker 03 We are indeed.
22:56 Speaker 02 Uh, because we did mention recently about those two.
23:00 Speaker 03 Yes.
23:01 Speaker 02 Those two nutters that thought it would be really funny to cut down like a really old tree. Which, like, by the way, like, if you've seen, uh, Don't Fuck With Cats on Netflix.
23:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
23:15 Speaker 02 Like, I don't.
23:16 Speaker 03 There are certain things.
23:17 Speaker 02 I don't have an opinion about cats, but if I saw someone being cruel to a cat, I'd be like, whoa, man, you're not right.
23:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
23:23 Speaker 02 Like, and it's the same with trees. And I think there is a thing in us.
23:27 Speaker 03 Hmm.
23:28 Speaker 02 Like, if a tree is hundreds and hundreds of year old, uh, hundreds of years old, you're like, well, don't chop that down.
23:34 Speaker 03 No.
23:34 Speaker 02 Like, keep that, keep that going.
23:36 Speaker 03 No.
23:37 Speaker 02 So it did, um.
23:38 Speaker 03 It was, I was a poor decision by those two chaps, I think.
23:41 Speaker 02 They were never gonna get anyone on their side.
23:44 Speaker 03 No, I don't.
23:44 Speaker 02 They were never gonna get, get anyone going, yeah, fuck the system.
23:48 Speaker 03 Yeah. Well, that was the thing, because it had the. Air of a kind of revolutionary act.
23:52 Speaker 02 It was a bit sort of anarchist, wasn't it?
23:54 Speaker 03 It was a bit anarchist, but.
23:55 Speaker 02 Where, where, on the whole, sometimes I'm like, yeah. I'm like, I'm, I'm on board. Yeah. Stick it to the man. Yeah.
24:01 Speaker 03 Yeah. If you put, if you put like a, I'm not, I, I don't think you, maybe you probably, you know, you shouldn't put a, a brick through the window of a bank. But if you did, there would be some people who are like, yeah, fuck the system. Whereas this tree was kind of something that was free to look at for everyone.
24:15 Speaker 02 The tree is the system that I want to be involved with. That's the, like, that's, I can get in, on board with the tree. I'd like to think if like, if I was in Boston in the 1700s, I'd be chucking tea in the river, in the sea or whatever.
24:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:29 Speaker 04 Oh, I was gonna suggest there, what might be fun is, um, I don't know if you've got maybe other suggestions of things that would sit in that category of like, don't fuck with cats, don't fuck with trees. Is there, is there anything for you?
24:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:39 Speaker 03 Anything else?
24:40 Speaker 02 Well, this is some, yeah, thank you, Lily May, Queen Lily May. That's something that I genuinely like to know because I'm always in danger of pissing people off. So if you could teach me specifically.
24:51 Speaker 03 Things that we can all.
24:52 Speaker 02 And Joe a little bit, what shouldn't we ever, you know, slag off? What shouldn't we ever touch?
24:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:59 Speaker 02 Just to keep us safe.
25:00 Speaker 03 I've got, I've got one.
25:01 Speaker 02 Go on.
25:01 Speaker 03 I don't think anyone should ever beat up, um, Lord David Attenborough.
25:06 Speaker 02 Oh, Jesus Christ.
25:08 Speaker 03 Is he a lord? Is that right? He probably is a lord, isn't he?
25:09 Speaker 02 Sir, sir, Dave, sir, David.
25:11 Speaker 03 Sir.
25:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:11 Speaker 03 I've promoted him further.
25:13 Speaker 02 Mate, you laid a finger on that man.
25:15 Speaker 03 Leave Attenborough alone.
25:16 Speaker 02 You're never coming back.
25:17 Speaker 03 Leave Attenborough alone.
25:18 Speaker 02 Like, imagine like, two drunk estate agents that have just come back from a night out and they see David Attenborough in the park, walking through the park and he goes, oh, he's fucking Attenborough. And they're holding a phone and going.
25:31 Speaker 03 Leaving B.
25:32 Speaker 02 You would not come back from that.
25:34 Speaker 03 Uh, tell you what, I'm sure you can have a laugh with him. You, you could put a bit of banter or something. I'm, I'm sure you could have a.
25:39 Speaker 02 Listen, Attenborough's no fucking.
25:40 Speaker 03 I'm sure he's a laugh, but.
25:42 Speaker 02 He's no, um, you know, he, he's, he's been in the mill. He's been through the mill.
25:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:47 Speaker 02 What was that thing you were telling me the other day? Was it on the podcast or were you, or were you just talking about?
25:52 Speaker 03 Well, he commissioned Monty Python.
25:53 Speaker 02 No, no, yeah, he's a legend.
25:54 Speaker 03 He used to go out, he used to go out and.
25:56 Speaker 02 But didn't he get typhoid or something when he was?
25:59 Speaker 03 He used to go. One thing he did was he used, he used to go out and get zoological specimens when he was a little boy. And they were just things that he'd found, and they'd sell them to the zoological museum. I'm mangling this story. There was a zoological museum and he would go and get stuff and he'd sell it to the museum and he'd go, oh, it's a rare plant. And it was always just stuff he'd found like in the garden of the museum.
26:21 Speaker 02 Someone was telling me, I feel like it was you.
26:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:25 Speaker 02 Someone was telling me like, cause Attenborough's, he's been around for a long time.
26:29 Speaker 03 He's been around, yeah.
26:30 Speaker 02 That's gonna devastate. I know we never talk about it as a society.
26:34 Speaker 03 I know, I know.
26:36 Speaker 02 But.
26:37 Speaker 03 I know.
26:38 Speaker 02 We've not got long until that bombshell drops on all of us and that is gonna ruin.
26:43 Speaker 03 I know.
26:44 Speaker 02 Someone was telling me about how he would go on those first expeditions as a young man in the early days. Making these documentaries and stuff, it would be by boat, more often than not. And I think he got like typhoid and like, he had all kinds of shit thrown at him, but he was fucking, he wore it. He was just like, yeah, this is part of the job.
27:04 Speaker 03 He's nails mate.
27:04 Speaker 02 He's not, yeah, he's not, he's tough, tough as old boots is Attenborough. Um.
27:10 Speaker 03 Okay, so that's one.
27:11 Speaker 02 But yeah, you can't, you can't, can't have a go on At- At- Attenborough. Yeah.
27:15 Speaker 03 You have a go on Attenborough either. Well, maybe, you know, if it's consensual. Then, fine.
27:26 Speaker 02 But I don't think, there are things that you cannot touch. That sycamore gap tree was one of them. Those two guys thought it'd be a good idea. Was it two of them? It was two of them, wasn't it?
27:36 Speaker 03 It was two, I just don't know.
27:38 Speaker 02 I reckon they had all help from other people as well, that they've not been, that they've not been caught up with.
27:44 Speaker 03 Oh, wow.
27:45 Speaker 02 But we, we were talking about that, so we decided to do facts about trees. And I do have some interesting facts that I genuinely find interesting. That I don't know is whether it's entertaining or not. I've done my usual thing where I've felt like one fact wasn't good enough. So I've done a bit more little work there and tried to group together a few facts.
28:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
28:08 Speaker 02 So, fact number one.
28:11 Speaker 02 A, a single tree can secretly be an entire forest. There is a tree in Utah called Pando, the Pando tree. And it looks like many trees, it looks like a forest, but it's actually one organism. Every trunk shares the same root system and DNA.
28:34 Speaker 03 So.
28:35 Speaker 02 That it's one organism.
28:37 Speaker 03 That is extraordinary, isn't it?
28:38 Speaker 02 And it's a forest. It weighs over six million tonnes, making it one of the heaviest living things on earth. And I, I, I, I think actually that one of the heaviest living, I suppose what you class as one entity.
28:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
28:56 Speaker 02 Is a mushroom, is a fungus. I think.
28:58 Speaker 03 Cause it's just one huge.
28:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
29:00 Speaker 03 Uh, one huge network of mushrooms.
29:02 Speaker 02 They're all connected and that's where the sort of the last of us.
29:06 Speaker 03 That's the last of us thing, isn't it? It was funny the last of us because it was as though there was a lot of talk, the funguses and mushrooms became, they had a bit of a moment. Like there, there was, there was a thing where people were like, you know, the, the wood wide web and things like this and the idea that.
29:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, the wood, wood wide web came up in my research, actually.
29:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, I always thought it was as though the, um, it was as though the last of us was saying.
29:36 Speaker 02 Be careful.
29:37 Speaker 03 Before we get, before we, before we invest fully.
29:41 Speaker 02 Before we get carried away with this, this could happen.
29:44 Speaker 03 There is a dark side as well. It was like they were sort of saying.
29:47 Speaker 02 Yeah.
29:47 Speaker 03 Let's just sound a warning note about all this.
29:49 Speaker 02 A hypothetical.
29:51 Speaker 03 Yeah. Before we get completely into bed with these funguses.
29:54 Speaker 02 Um.
29:55 Speaker 03 Let's just.
29:56 Speaker 02 Here's another fact for you.
29:57 Speaker 03 Word of one.
29:57 Speaker 02 Um.
29:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:58 Speaker 02 Again, the, I've sort of
30:03 Speaker 02 tried to sexify it a little bit to make it more interesting. I've just written here, trees talk to each other now. Obviously they don't. They don't just sit there and have a tune.
30:14 Speaker 03 Are you talking about the, um?
30:15 Speaker 02 It's not like Lord of the Rings.
30:16 Speaker 03 The entmoot. We have decided.
30:20 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:20 Speaker 03 You are not orcs.
30:22 Speaker 02 It's not that. Um, but through underground fungal networks, sometimes called the wood wide web.
30:30 Speaker 03 Wood wide web.
30:31 Speaker 02 Um, see, uh, trees can send nutrients to sick neighbours.
30:37 Speaker 03 That's cool.
30:38 Speaker 02 If there's a couple of trees in the forest and they're like, oh Christ, we better help those guys out. They do that.
30:44 Speaker 03 Cool.
30:44 Speaker 02 They warn each other about insect attacks.
30:49 Speaker 03 By insect attacks?
30:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:52 Speaker 02 Again, it's not, they're not doing it in a way where they go, where mate, watch out. So they, it's signals that they send through these networks.
31:05 Speaker 02 But they also have a little bit of a sort of, I suppose there's a, I'm trying not to hu- humatise them so much to make my facts sound more interesting. But they do favour their own offspring over unrelated trees. So they look after their own, something that's come through from their seed, they'll prioritise those if they are gonna send nutrients and stuff to other trees, they will, they'll prioritise that over those. Um, trees, they can recognise their own children. In, in, in whatever way children are, in whatever concept that is to trees, yeah.
31:49 Speaker 03 Tree world.
31:49 Speaker 02 Some trees are older than civilisation.
31:53 Speaker 03 That is, yeah, yeah. I have seen some stuff about really old trees.
31:57 Speaker 02 There's some old trees, there is the bristlecone pine tree. And they're over four thousand eight hundred years old. They were alive before the pyramids, they were alive before written language, before writing was a concept.
32:14 Speaker 03 They are amazing, aren't they?
32:15 Speaker 02 And, uh, just a quick one, just to chuck one in at the end there, trees do not have a fixed lifespan.
32:23 Speaker 02 They don't dry, they don't die of old age, they don't get old and die. It's usually because of fire or disease or humans.
32:35 Speaker 03 Well, a couple of, well, a couple of absolute lads who are gonna write their names into history.
32:41 Speaker 02 Couple of sege, see, uh, see, a couple of tree surgeons.
32:45 Speaker 03 Tree surgeons.
32:46 Speaker 02 That, um, did, obviously didn't take the Hippocratic oath.
32:50 Speaker 03 Pretty good, actually.
32:52 Speaker 02 There you go.
32:53 Speaker 03 Pretty good. Well, those were, that was, that was actually, you spoke with.
32:56 Speaker 02 Little medley of facts there about trees.
32:58 Speaker 03 You spoke with a lot of reverence there about trees and I wish that somebody like you could have just had a little word to those two fellas.
33:06 Speaker 02 I would have.
33:07 Speaker 03 Before.
33:08 Speaker 02 Smack their heads together.
33:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:10 Speaker 02 Come on, guys.
33:11 Speaker 03 Guys, these have been, these are older than.
33:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
33:14 Speaker 03 And it's also true that the, some of these record breaking trees are the oldest and the tallest.
33:20 Speaker 02 How old was the sycamore tree, Queen, Queen Lily May?
33:22 Speaker 04 Let me have a little.
33:23 Speaker 02 I think it's like pre Hadrian's ball or something daft like that.
33:27 Speaker 03 I've seen stuff about trees being four thousand, five thousand years old.
33:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
33:31 Speaker 03 And they, and, and they keep the location secret. They, they don't want people visiting.
33:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's true, yeah. Do you wanna know something really boring about me? That probably shouldn't be put in an entertainment podcast.
33:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:47 Speaker 02 One of my, I suppose, bucket list, one of my things that I would genuinely be really excited about and really interested in experiencing is going to see one of those like American redwood trees.
34:03 Speaker 03 Hmm, they're amazing.
34:04 Speaker 02 That are like, the trunks are like twice the size of a bus or something like that. Like, I would ju- just to be able to see that with my own eyes, I would just, I'd absolutely love that.
34:15 Speaker 03 Hmm.
34:15 Speaker 02 I'd find that genuinely really, really exciting. And I don't know what that says about me. I'm not sure.
34:20 Speaker 03 I think it's, they are, they are glorious, those.
34:23 Speaker 02 But I think, where are they? Oregon or something like that? I think, I could have, I've had opportunities to go and do it. I should have done it.
34:30 Speaker 04 And FYI, the sycamore gap tree.
34:32 Speaker 02 Yeah.
34:33 Speaker 04 Aged between a hundred and hundred and twenty years old.
34:35 Speaker 02 Oh, it's not even that old.
34:37 Speaker 03 Well, I don't know.
34:38 Speaker 02 I don't know what we're kicking up a fuss about.
34:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:41 Speaker 02 Not that old. Yeah, fell it.
34:45 Speaker 03 Chop it down.
34:46 Speaker 02 Fell that tree. Let's do a quick little fact check, if anyone's still listening to this podcast. Um, it is time for fact check, where we'll be reading a fact or a question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. And then we're gonna have a good little think during the ad break there and come back to, and let you know how true it feels to us. Um, it comes from James H, who has emailed to say, hey lads, it's two weeks in a row that we've, that, that, that the, uh.
35:14 Speaker 03 Hey lads, yeah. That's how we should be.
35:16 Speaker 02 Absolutely. I'm quite.
35:18 Speaker 03 Be addressed.
35:18 Speaker 02 I'm quite partial to a Lucas aid every now and again. Yeah, me too.
35:22 Speaker 03 No harm in that.
35:24 Speaker 02 I'm really into Lucas aid ice kick at the moment.
35:29 Speaker 02 I buy it, I get them off of Amazon. I buy twenty four bottles in a go and I keep them in the fridge and they're nice and cool.
35:36 Speaker 03 Lucasade Ice Kick.
35:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's a really good flavour. Do you like a cloudy lemonade?
35:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:41 Speaker 02 You'd love this then.
35:42 Speaker 03 Okay, that sounds nice.
35:43 Speaker 04 Oh, they're like the sport ones.
35:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, Lucasade Sport.
35:45 Speaker 03 They're flats, it's flat.
35:47 Speaker 02 Yeah.
35:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, okay.
35:48 Speaker 02 So, this was the thing, this is quite old Inbetweeners law.
35:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:53 Speaker 02 Where when, before we'd even started shooting and we were doing rehearsals, um, we were, we were let into this world of sort of like, is there anything that you need?
36:03 Speaker 03 Hmm.
36:04 Speaker 02 There's people around that can get all that stuff for you. And one afternoon during rehearsals, I said, can I get a Lucasade, I, I, can I get a Lucasade Sport?
36:15 Speaker 03 Hmm.
36:15 Speaker 02 If it's just a normal Lucasade, a fizzy Lucasade, don't worry about it. I'm not interested. Um, but it needs, and I described it as, it needs to be a Lucasade with the nipple cap.
36:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:27 Speaker 02 And that became a little thing on the Inbetweeners set for, for a little while, where James demands Lucasade. And I was trying to describe what I meant by not, because I don't think I said Lucasade Sport. I don't think I was privy to like, the knowledge that Lucasade Sport was different to.
36:44 Speaker 03 Is that what it's called, a nipple cap?
36:45 Speaker 02 I don't know.
36:46 Speaker 03 It's very Freudian, isn't it? So, calling it a nipple cap.
36:49 Speaker 02 I don't know if it is called that, but that's the best way I could describe the.
36:54 Speaker 03 Okay, well, that's very Freudian as well, that that was the best.
36:57 Speaker 02 It's as if you were, like, it's not those, like, it's not got a screw lid.
37:00 Speaker 03 I know, you mean, no, it's a very, it's a, it's an evocative and correct description.
37:03 Speaker 02 It is a baby's bottle, the, the Lucasade Sport bottles, they are.
37:08 Speaker 03 It, it wasn't your fault. They had.
37:11 Speaker 02 I was try, I was trying to.
37:12 Speaker 03 They had an immature reaction to what was basically a, a, a, not more, a more than adequate descrip- description.
37:20 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:22 Speaker 03 You did at times test to see what you could get.
37:26 Speaker 02 But I was just making fa- like the farce of working on TV and film and just being like, this is mental that you're.
37:35 Speaker 03 Oh, fine. Okay. Well, maybe this is.
37:37 Speaker 02 So I wasn't doing it to be a bit.
37:39 Speaker 03 No, no, I think.
37:40 Speaker 02 I was just, it was just a sort of weird.
37:42 Speaker 03 Yes, it was, you were satirising how easy it is to get.
37:44 Speaker 02 Weird experiment in my head. But I was obsessed with, um, how cushy the, the working spa- uh, as an actor, by the way. Not as, as anyone else on a film set.
37:58 Speaker 03 Anyone else is really difficult.
37:59 Speaker 02 Fucking awful. As an actor, like it is like, and I was just, there was a little period in my life, I was like, what, how far can this go?
38:08 Speaker 03 Yeah. Yeah.
38:10 Speaker 02 How far can we take this? There's a little bit in me, there's like, I've had it since school. And it's not a great thing to have in you at all whatsoever, of just being, just being like, how far can I go until I get into trouble?
38:25 Speaker 03 Hmm.
38:25 Speaker 02 In some ways, it's sort of, um, it's been a benefit in that I think it shaped my career and especially in comedy and stuff like that. Because in comedy, like it is all about how far you can go until you can get into trouble. And I do find the fun in that. I do find it exciting. Um, but luckily enough, it's never been anything sort of serious, too serious, that has either cost me in my life or.
38:50 Speaker 03 Well, it strikes, it strikes me that people who've, who've gone insane often are people who don't have the limits that other people normally have. So I was thinking about Howard Hughes, the, the millionaire, or I suppose nowadays he'd be a, maybe even a billionaire, but certainly a, a billionaire, probably multimillionaire back then, who, who got incredibly bad OCD. But he got OCD in a way that.
39:11 Speaker 02 See The Plane Guy?
39:12 Speaker 03 Plane Guy, yeah. There's a film about him with Leonardo DiCaprio.
39:15 Speaker 02 The Avatar, yeah, uh, the Aviator.
39:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly.
39:20 Speaker 02 We're good.
39:21 Speaker 03 Yeah, we're good. We're fine, we're fine. But, um, but he, but he had so much money that he was able to indulge.
39:25 Speaker 02 On this podcast.
39:28 Speaker 03 Like somebody said, uh, this is probably apocryphal, but I think I'm sure it's, this, it was this kind of area that he wants.
39:35 Speaker 03 He once didn't want to move out of a hotel room. For some reason, I think because he'd convinced, he would have.
39:43 Speaker 02 I think The Simpsons did an episode.
39:46 Speaker 03 Oh, right. So he bought the entire hotel. But, but, but it was.
39:49 Speaker 02 I think Mr. Burns didn't leave his room or something. He went mad. He was an eccentric billionaire that went mad and let all his nails grow and stuff and didn't come out of the hotel room.
39:59 Speaker 03 So if you can afford to, to, to get a plate of food and say, oh, I'm worried it's got some minute contamination. Throw the entire thing away, make me another one. Now I'm worried about this one. Throw the entire thing away, make me another one. I'm still not happy. Throw the entire thing away. Like, most people are gonna run up against their own financial limitations in the end. And that wouldn't, it doesn't mean that they won't get OCD, but it does mean that they would presumably at that point be slightly more likely to think, I've got a bit of a problem here, I need to get treated. But like, if your solution is just, I've got so much money that I can just have really crippling OCD. Then you can probably go further down the line towards genuine insanity than people who do not have. Have to confront it. Yeah. And, and.
40:42 Speaker 02 That's another reason why I'm not, why me having a bottomless pit of money would be really bad.
40:50 Speaker 03 I don't think it's good for anyone.
40:51 Speaker 02 Because I do just do stuff to see what happens. We were on holiday with Claire's family and we went shopping one afternoon, picking up some T-shirts and stuff like that. We were in America. We're like, you know, when you go to America, it's like, oh, fucking hell, everything's cheap. Everything's like, we've got to stock up now so we can take you all home. And I watched what my father-in-law was buying. And I saw him buy a specific T-shirt. And then we were going out for dinner later that evening and I saw him put on the T-shirt. And I went, oh, hang on one second. I need to go back and just grab a jumper. And this was in California. It was like, why is he buying, why is he going back to get a jumper? Well, what I quickly did was change my T-shirt to the exact same, because I saw what T-shirt he was buying.
41:35 Speaker 02 I'd bought the same one without him knowing. And then I had a zip up hoodie and then we went out for dinner.
41:41 Speaker 03 Okay, so you're okay.
41:43 Speaker 02 And then we were, I haven't explained this well enough.
41:45 Speaker 03 No, I get it.
41:46 Speaker 02 We were walking around that evening and then at one point I went, oh, I'm getting a bit warm. So I unzipped my hoodie and just sort of, just followed him around wearing the exact same T-shirts. And by the way, he's not a bloke that enjoys those sort of jokes.
42:05 Speaker 03 No.
42:06 Speaker 02 He doesn't appreciate those sort of things, but, but just for my own amusement.
42:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:12 Speaker 02 Just for my own only. Like, I just thought that'd be really funny and I know it would really annoy him.
42:16 Speaker 03 I like that it's almost like you've also kind of boxed yourself in as well, because as I say, it is warm. You haven't got another T-shirt.
42:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, I put some.
42:23 Speaker 03 You've kind of bound yourself to the mast.
42:25 Speaker 02 I suffered for my art.
42:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, you did.
42:28 Speaker 02 I was sweating. I was like, but this will, this will pay off.
42:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:32 Speaker 02 This will be brilliant.
42:33 Speaker 03 And it did.
42:33 Speaker 02 Anyway, James H says, I'm quite partial to a Lucozade every now and again. And my dad has always told me that Lucozade is, or was, as he's quite old, a medicinal drink. Something you'd have, you'd have when you're feeling under the weather. I drink it regardless and I've always thought of it as more of an energy drink than something I'd have when I wasn't feeling well. I need to know if this is true and I thought who better to ask than the fact connoisseurs themselves, Joe and James. Also, what flavour is red Lucozade supposed to be? I need answers. Well, let's go to a quick little break and we'll talk even more about Lucozade.
43:14 Speaker 02 After that.
43:15 Speaker 03 I like this question. This is a good one.
43:17 Speaker 02 Right, break, break time. Have a quick break.
43:19 Speaker 03 Break time. It's the time of the day. When we take a break from what we were doing before.
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45:15 Speaker 02 During the break there, because I absolutely loved this message from James H., I said I was champing at the bit. And then we were discussing whether it's champing or chomping. And I've never heard... Anyone say either champing or chomping at the bit without there being a discussion afterwards?
45:31 Speaker 03 That's funny. That is funny. That is funny.
45:36 Speaker 04 Looked it up if that's helpful.
45:37 Speaker 02 Go on, Queen Lily May.
45:38 Speaker 04 So it says here.
45:39 Speaker 02 I bet it's gonna say both are acceptable.
45:42 Speaker 04 Oh, right. Okay. Basically, champing is the like traditional language. So a star start as champing and that kind of is impatience, restlessness, like a horse eager to run, it says here. But champing soon became chomping because it kind of has a similar meaning and it sounds similar. And that's just what we now use. But originally it was champing.
46:04 Speaker 02 What's a bit? Is that the thing that you put in the horse's mouth?
46:07 Speaker 03 That's the thing that's in their mouth. Yeah.
46:09 Speaker 04 Yeah.
46:09 Speaker 02 I always see those things and I think, I bet they're fucking irritating.
46:12 Speaker 03 They don't look comfortable, do they?
46:13 Speaker 02 No. Apparently they're fine with it. Apparently they don't give a fuck. But you can't, you can't ask a horse. You can't go, do you care about this?
46:21 Speaker 03 Well, they champed it. I mean, does that mean, do they like the champing? Comes down to whether they like champing or not, or chomping.
46:27 Speaker 02 Before the break, we were just fact checking on behalf of James H, who asked us, is Lucozade medicinal? And what flavour is the original red? Right. So now, first of all, Lucozade is one of those ancient brands. Uh, I'm gonna go 1800s.
46:47 Speaker 03 I would say actually, there was always an old bottle of Lucozade at my gran's house. It was a glass bottle with the little, um, like nobbly
46:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
46:56 Speaker 03 bits around the top.
46:57 Speaker 02 Now, I don't, I'm gonna take a bit of offence because, um,
47:04 Speaker 02 James H said, my dad has always said that Lucozade is, and then he put in brackets, or was, he's quite old, a medicinal drink.
47:13 Speaker 03 So you're offended on behalf of the dad because he's been a bit rude to his dad, saying he's old?
47:17 Speaker 02 Well, if his dad's old, then I don't know what I am. Because when I was a kid and I was, and I had to take a day off school, primary school or something like that, because I wasn't feeling very well, my mum would buy me a bottle of Lucozade.
47:29 Speaker 03 Same here.
47:30 Speaker 02 Um.
47:30 Speaker 03 And it was one of the great joys of being sit home from school.
47:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, watching Trisha. And I didn't, I didn't know.
47:40 Speaker 02 I don't I don't know what this is about our age.
47:43 Speaker 03 We're not that old.
47:43 Speaker 02 No, but first of all, I do think it does come from those, uh, I, I think, I think Coca-Cola was the same. Um, Dr. Pepper certainly was.
47:55 Speaker 03 Ketchup as well.
47:56 Speaker 02 Ketchup, yeah, one of those sort of like.
48:00 Speaker 03 Get a bit of.
48:00 Speaker 02 Gather round, I'll show you a cure all. You're feeling unwell, you're feeling tired, dun dun dun. Well, I can help you out, sir.
48:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:07 Speaker 02 That sort of thing. Travelling salesman.
48:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:10 Speaker 02 Sort of Americana.
48:12 Speaker 03 Yes.
48:12 Speaker 02 Sort of thing.
48:13 Speaker 03 Something of the, something of the snake.
48:15 Speaker 02 But I do think Luca, yeah, I do think Lucozade is British. Uh, and I do think it was classed as a medicinal drink. And I will tell you this, uh, there was a boy at my school who was diabetic. And he used to, um, have to have Lucozade tablets every once in a while. And I, and I've never seen them. I haven't seen them for about 20 years.
48:36 Speaker 03 I haven't seen them for a while, but.
48:37 Speaker 02 But they were, but they were sort of Lucozade tablets with what I assume is glucose.
48:42 Speaker 03 I imagine it's a, it's a kind of abbreviation of Glucosade.
48:46 Speaker 02 Right, there we go.
48:47 Speaker 03 Right, because it's just, it's glucose, it's basically sugar. So if you're nauseous and you've got an upset stomach and you can't keep down regular food, but you need to get some kind of energy. Have this, it's got sugar in it.
49:02 Speaker 02 If you're looking for a bit of pep.
49:03 Speaker 03 Pep.
49:04 Speaker 02 Dr. Pepper.
49:05 Speaker 03 Dr. Pepper.
49:05 Speaker 02 Pepsi.
49:06 Speaker 03 Pepsi, yes.
49:07 Speaker 02 All these sort of antiquated phrases.
49:08 Speaker 03 This is unbelievable. This is like the Da Vinci Code or something.
49:10 Speaker 02 It's absolutely amazing.
49:11 Speaker 03 Running through history, this, uh, it, it's, the scales are falling from our eyes.
49:16 Speaker 02 Because that was it, that was it.
49:17 Speaker 03 We see where power is really held and, yeah.
49:21 Speaker 02 That's why Buffett is a, is a shareholder of Coca-Cola.
49:25 Speaker 03 It all makes sense all of a sudden.
49:27 Speaker 02 The earth's flat.
49:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:29 Speaker 02 And.
49:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, why do you think they built those fucking pyramids, you fucking sheep?
49:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, um, again, we are, we are going into Rogan territory and I don't want to step on that guy's toes. Uh, because he just seems quite angry and would beat me up probably. Um, but it would, um. I, I would, uh, yeah, I, it's definitely, I think it started off as a medicinal thing. I, and I think. That there still might be. I wouldn't say it was medicine, but there still might be some actual benefits to Lucozade.
50:06 Speaker 03 I think so.
50:07 Speaker 02 Um, with energy and, you know, I wouldn't try and, I wouldn't say if you, if you've got cancer or something, I wouldn't say like, drink a load of Lucozade, you'll be all right. But with those sort of, those little common ailments.
50:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:23 Speaker 02 I genuinely think that Lucozade could, um, possibly help.
50:28 Speaker 03 I think that it's, that it's just that it's a easily digestible form of sugar primarily. Uh, uh, maybe electrolytes, which I think is just.
50:41 Speaker 02 Well, that's Lucozade's sport. I don't, I, I, I like, that is what Lucozade's sport is, cause it's not fizzy.
50:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:47 Speaker 02 And I think they claim to be sugar free. Um, but it is electrolytes. So sodium, is that right?
50:54 Speaker 03 Electrolytes is basically the stuff that you lose if you sweat or you urinate.
50:58 Speaker 02 So if you.
50:59 Speaker 03 But particularly if you're sweating with sport, you lose all your kind of body salts and stuff, don't you? And then.
51:04 Speaker 02 So if you wanna get, um, water to move around your body quicker, you need to have, you need to have a bit of salt in your body to be able to take that around the bloodstream.
51:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
51:14 Speaker 02 I'm talking to someone that doesn't know a fucking thing that they're talking about. Um, but that's where, where electrolytes come in, which I, which I think is sodium. I think that's what. They've rebranded electrolytes. I might be completely wrong.
51:28 Speaker 03 No, I, I think it's, I think it's sort of, is it just like salt and sugar dissolved in water essentially? Is that electrolytes?
51:34 Speaker 02 But I am gonna, um, I'm gonna go fact.
51:37 Speaker 03 Oh, it's, I think it's a fact.
51:38 Speaker 02 I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go so fact it hurts.
51:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
51:41 Speaker 02 With that one.
51:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:42 Speaker 03 But we haven't actually.
51:43 Speaker 02 Cause I've, I've heard a similar thing and that's all you need for a fact. I grew up hearing the same thing. So that makes it a fact.
51:52 Speaker 03 Um.
51:53 Speaker 02 It's like carrots. You know, carrots make your eyes better. It was only recently, I, I think literally with the last couple of days, where that was propaganda because during rationing.
52:07 Speaker 02 There was rations on like coffee and sugar and butter and all the stuff that we need to have a good life and enjoy ourselves in life.
52:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:16 Speaker 02 But you could eat as many fucking vegetables as you like. There wasn't a ration on vegetables during during the Second World War. So it was like.
52:24 Speaker 03 Well, so you just made up though.
52:25 Speaker 02 And and there'd be the blitz and all the lights would go out and stuff like that. So be like, eat more vegetables and that will, you know, that will help you see in the dark.
52:33 Speaker 03 Ah, okay. So it was just a.
52:35 Speaker 02 There's like those, you know, posters, those wartime posters of like a Tommy in the trenches. And he'd be like, he needs his carrots to be able to see in the dark and stuff like that. And you'd have like young boys and girls going, oh, I wanna be just like them. And I but I don't think there's any actual truth that carrots will make your eyesight better at all. It was just sort of, it was like go to work on an egg, which I'm obsessed about.
52:59 Speaker 03 Although, uh, yes, although in the long run, probably vegetables in general are good for you.
53:05 Speaker 02 It's like the, it's like the government being your mum and dad.
53:08 Speaker 03 It is exactly that.
53:09 Speaker 02 And instead of you going, why, why do I have to do this? They're just going, well, it'll make your eyesight better. I don't know, fucking just eat, it's good for you. Just because kids don't, I've got two kids and they don't trust me. They will not fucking trust me at all whatsoever. They need a reason for everything. Like if I go, oh, like that broccoli's good for you. Like, why, why, what, what, what, in what way is it good for you? I have to come up with something. I know it's good for you. I don't actually know why it's good for you. But if you just eat it, it will benefit you. Can you not just trust me on this one? And they'll go, no, I'm not gonna trust you. I need some sort of story or fable to sort of get me, get me through this sort of eating broccoli nonsense.
53:50 Speaker 03 My daughter has just started saying why to everything.
53:54 Speaker 02 They do, they need to know why.
53:55 Speaker 03 Maddening. It also just makes me realize I don't know anything. Like, when she, she always wants to listen to Peppa Pig in the car and I have to connect my phone to the, to the Bluetooth in the car. And she wants to know why the phone isn't on yet if we're in a tunnel. And I just can't explain it. I don't, I don't have the language.
54:20 Speaker 03 To ex- to explain.
54:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
54:23 Speaker 03 What's happening. I'm, I'm literally sort of saying the, there's, there's something in the sky that the phone needs to go up and get to and, and then that will bring the music down out of the sky.
54:35 Speaker 02 Back in my day, there was always the, the threat of the slap. So.
54:44 Speaker 02 So you just.
54:45 Speaker 03 That was a bit of a.
54:46 Speaker 02 No, but you know what I mean? You'd just be a bit more obedient. You'd just be a bit like, right, I'll get on with it. I'll crack on.
54:52 Speaker 03 What flavour is red Lucozade?
54:53 Speaker 02 I don't know what red Lucozade is.
54:55 Speaker 03 I don't think it's any flavour. I, I think it's.
54:57 Speaker 02 I do know what he's talking about though, because you can also get orange fizzy Lucozade. Um, which I would prefer to the red Lucozade.
55:05 Speaker 03 I just thought he meant.
55:06 Speaker 02 But that red one, again, like.
55:08 Speaker 03 That's old school as well, right?
55:08 Speaker 02 I don't know if I'm just
55:12 Speaker 02 misremembering or, but yeah, Lucozade was a glass bottle for me in, in the nineties.
55:17 Speaker 03 Yeah. It was a glass bottle with little, um.
55:21 Speaker 02 And you could give it back and get like two pence or something.
55:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, I, I have quite nostalgic memories of that Lucozade bottle. I, I thought when he said red, I just thought he, I just thought he meant orange.
55:30 Speaker 02 No, it's the one with the red cap. No, the, there is an orange Lucozade. It's that sort of.
55:34 Speaker 03 Oh, it's orange flavoured. I know what you mean. Yes. It's, it's the, it's the fancy, it's not.
55:37 Speaker 02 But there's that, there's that original Lucozade.
55:39 Speaker 03 It's non-flavoured. It has a nice taste. It tastes.
55:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
55:42 Speaker 03 It sort of tastes of its colour somehow.
55:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's got the red cap on it and it's a, it's a ambiguous colour.
55:50 Speaker 03 Well, it's a bit like saying what flavour is Coca-Cola. It's not really.
55:54 Speaker 02 Yeah.
55:55 Speaker 03 I suppose when it comes down to it, it's sort of caramel flavour or something. It's, it's caramel, something called caramel, yeah.
56:01 Speaker 02 Syrup.
56:02 Speaker 03 Um, but, but red Lucozade.
56:05 Speaker 02 Can't help you out. I can't, I can't help it with the red Lucozade.
56:07 Speaker 03 The best I can come up with there is, is red flavour.
56:10 Speaker 02 It's red flavour. It's red flavour.
56:12 Speaker 03 And it's a.
56:13 Speaker 02 It's like when I get Pringles, I either want green Pringles or blue Pringles.
56:17 Speaker 03 Hmm.
56:17 Speaker 02 I don't say, I can't bring myself to say. What is it sour cream?
56:22 Speaker 04 Sour cream and onion.
56:23 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's too much. I'll just say green.
56:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
56:26 Speaker 02 What Pringles do you want? Green? Give me green Pringles.
56:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
56:29 Speaker 02 Um.
56:29 Speaker 03 Saying all that.
56:30 Speaker 02 But I there is definitely, there is definitely, definitely, definitely. Before even Queen Lily May gives her, her ruling. There is definitely um roots of Lucozade being, being a medicinal, a tonic, some sort of tonic.
56:47 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
56:48 Speaker 02 Fact.
56:49 Speaker 03 Fact.
56:50 Speaker 04 Okay.
56:51 Speaker 02 Go on.
56:52 Speaker 04 So uh its roots is with Lucozade, which is how it was originally invented, as you, as you mentioned.
56:58 Speaker 02 Yes.
56:59 Speaker 04 Um and it was invented in, let's, let me double check that date, actually, in, in nineteen twenty seven.
57:05 Speaker 02 Oh, it's much later than I thought it was gonna be.
57:07 Speaker 03 Later than we thought, but.
57:10 Speaker 02 Carry on.
57:11 Speaker 04 Okay.
57:11 Speaker 03 Ninety nine years ago.
57:14 Speaker 04 Fair play.
57:14 Speaker 02 Yeah, good. Fucking hell.
57:17 Speaker 04 Um it was sold as a health drink originally for kids. And basically, the health benefit of it was the kids who were nil to, nil by mouth, I believe the phrase was.
57:27 Speaker 02 Yeah.
57:27 Speaker 04 So couldn't eat or drink or whatever. Uh they were given Glu- Lucozade as their medicine, essentially.
57:33 Speaker 02 I was nil by mouth uh once when I was a kid.
57:37 Speaker 04 Were you getting Lucozade?
57:38 Speaker 02 No, I had Smash.
57:40 Speaker 04 The.
57:41 Speaker 02 Really um watery Smash. Smash potato.
57:45 Speaker 03 Smash.
57:45 Speaker 02 Yeah. I'd had um stitches put in my mouth. I'd cut my, I'd cut my gum up. I'd had an accident. I'd, I'd.
57:53 Speaker 03 Oh, God.
57:54 Speaker 02 Like the whole of my gum. I'd have like these stitches put in my gum. For a couple of weeks, I couldn't like really eat solid food. So.
58:01 Speaker 03 Really watery Smash.
58:03 Speaker 02 I had sort of quite watered down Smash potato. I loved it. I still love it to this day. Love Smash.
58:08 Speaker 04 Well, as an alternative to Smash, Lucozade was used. And that's how it has his, its health um associations. And it was also created by a chemist from Newcastle. Um so that's where it comes from. It was then later, I think in the eighties, rebranded.
58:22 Speaker 02 That's right. For sports and stuff like that.
58:24 Speaker 04 And that's now why we have sports associations with it.
58:26 Speaker 02 Do you know what? I've actually gone down a little Wikipedia rabbit hole and I've got, I've been on the Lucozade Wikipedia page and read all that in the past.
58:35 Speaker 03 There was an advert with John Barnes when I was a kid where he used to say, it gets to your thirst fast.
58:42 Speaker 02 Right.
58:43 Speaker 03 It was he come out from playing football, he was all like, he was knackered.
58:47 Speaker 02 Well, he's the England man.
58:49 Speaker 03 He was knackered.
58:50 Speaker 02 You can't, you can't catch him, catch him if you can.
58:53 Speaker 03 But honestly, he, he was, he was hanging, like he was, he left it all out.
58:58 Speaker 02 He'd been on the piss the night before.
59:00 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, no hangover, yeah.
59:05 Speaker 02 John Barnes. So that, that was fact.
59:07 Speaker 04 Yeah, so well, I was just gonna follow up with the fact that the main sort of medicinal or sort of health benefit is the glucose that's in it. So it doesn't technically have any health benefits, but sugar can give you a boost, can give you pep, like you say. And that tends to be what is sort of seen as medicinal. So it's not technically medicinal.
59:24 Speaker 02 No, no.
59:25 Speaker 04 But there is a purpose to it that will make you feel better for a temporary period of time.
59:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, if you're, if you're a little bit under the weather, if you're a little bit, and you need a bit, and you're lethargic and you need a bit of energy and you're little, little bottle of luke, so it's all you're right at.
59:37 Speaker 04 And the red flavour is technically like a citrus flavour.
59:41 Speaker 02 Citrus.
59:42 Speaker 03 Vaguely citrus.
59:45 Speaker 02 The Queen and the, the government both agree that that is fact. Thank you very much, James H.
59:52 Speaker 04 And are we confirming so, so fact it hurts? Because then I can pop a little jingle there.
59:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, we are, so fact it hurts.
59:56 Speaker 02 It was definitely so fact it hurts.
1:00:05 Speaker 02 Right, whatever you're doing, stop it right now because Joe is about to hit us with a fact about trees.
1:00:11 Speaker 03 Right, so I have a fact about trees being chopped down. So we spoke about the, um, the, the Sycamore Gap.
1:00:19 Speaker 02 Those guys. We should learn their names, shouldn't we? I mean, we've already been told, the Queen or the mayor has told us their names.
1:00:25 Speaker 03 Sycamore Gap guys. Uh, so, but maybe the only mistake that they made was that they did not.
1:00:34 Speaker 03 Benefit financially from chopping the tree down, because it turns out that back in the day, if you chop trees down, it was just kind of an acceptable way of just showing people the tree. So in the 19th century in America, if they find a really, really big tree,
1:00:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:00:51 Speaker 03 They'd think, oh, more people should see this tree.
1:00:53 Speaker 02 Let's chop it down and we'll take it around.
1:00:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:00:55 Speaker 02 We'll tour it.
1:00:56 Speaker 03 So there's a famous one in, I believe, 1853 called the Discovery Tree. It was uh chopped down.
1:01:07 Speaker 02 I think I've seen a picture of this.
1:01:09 Speaker 03 They held a dance party on the stump. They, they were, the stump was so huge, they could, they could have, they could have a kind of ball on the, on the stump.
1:01:16 Speaker 02 Let me know if this is, if I'm wrong, Joe, but is there a cross section of that tree in a museum somewhere in America?
1:01:24 Speaker 03 Well, there may be a cross section.
1:01:26 Speaker 02 They've literally like, the tree is like so massive and then they've written like, Jesus born here.
1:01:32 Speaker 03 Hmm.
1:01:32 Speaker 02 Like way after the tree.
1:01:34 Speaker 03 It might not be, it might not be this tree because what happened to this tree is that having taken it to a sort of local show to be shown off.
1:01:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:01:45 Speaker 03 And then to New York to be shown off again.
1:01:47 Speaker 02 That's where you've got to go, baby.
1:01:48 Speaker 03 They managed to somehow just burn the whole thing in a fire.
1:01:54 Speaker 02 Right. They didn't shove it up the Kaiser's arse or something.
1:01:57 Speaker 03 Well, I mean, that, they might as well have done because it's not here anymore because so kind of clumsy as well.
1:02:04 Speaker 02 It burnt for four years.
1:02:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, but they didn't even, so they chopped it down, didn't even take care of it.
1:02:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:02:11 Speaker 03 So I did two shows with it. They're like, oh, oh, we've burnt it down.
1:02:15 Speaker 02 Yeah. Well, that's it. Again, we're feeding back into that thing that you said. It was just sort of like, oh, don't worry about the past.
1:02:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:02:22 Speaker 02 Let's not worry about records or things like that.
1:02:24 Speaker 03 Yes, I think, I really think there was, uh, the, the lack of care paid to the natural world and indeed the manmade world, if it was a bit old, I think we'd be really startled by it now.
1:02:39 Speaker 02 I think you've got to remember.
1:02:39 Speaker 03 And it makes you realise how much of an achievement it is to introduce laws where you actually do have to protect nature.
1:02:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's absolutely amazing.
1:02:48 Speaker 03 And actually, people always assume that.
1:02:52 Speaker 03 That kind of legislation has sort of always been there and
1:02:55 Speaker 02 No, no.
1:02:56 Speaker 03 But as soon as laws, as soon as laws become embedded in, people assume they've always been there. But actually, it would have taken general, like genuine effort to try and bring in a culture where people didn't just see a big tree and go, oh, I'll buy that for myself and then chop it down and then I'll take it on the road so people can look at it.
1:03:14 Speaker 02 The fact that our attitudes are like, have changed so much.
1:03:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:20 Speaker 02 Like you're talking 150 years ago.
1:03:22 Speaker 03 It's not a long time.
1:03:22 Speaker 02 Even 150 years ago, what, there was still whaling?
1:03:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:26 Speaker 02 You know, they were just, because they were just like, there's fucking loads of them.
1:03:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:29 Speaker 02 There's loads of these whales and they, and they've got some good oil in them. We'll just take those and even light our candles or whatever. What did they do with whale oil? I don't even know.
1:03:37 Speaker 03 They made, um, yeah, there, there was a
1:03:40 Speaker 02 Paraffin or something.
1:03:41 Speaker 03 There was a, they made cooking, yeah, oil for burning, basically.
1:03:46 Speaker 02 So, but it was, but you can't blame them because they were just like, it's an abundance. This is the world. We've got just, there's a never ending, uh, you know, there's not, there's not a finite number on these whales.
1:03:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:59 Speaker 02 And then you start to realise, you go, oh, there's only a couple left.
1:04:03 Speaker 03 Oh, no, but no, no doubt it was treated as though it was just, uh.
1:04:08 Speaker 02 And I think that brings us back to our, our mate, old, um, old Dave, Dave Attenborough.
1:04:13 Speaker 03 Dave Attenborough, yeah.
1:04:14 Speaker 02 Which I was slagging off, um, a couple of weeks ago, saying how he used to depress me. Our, every one of his absolutely brilliant and incredible, like, listen, if there's, I don't think there's, I don't think there's a greater broadcaster and documentary maker than David Attenborough. I think he's just, he's absolutely amazing. And even from my very young age, when he would do those, like the last 10 minutes of every one of his shows, it was spent on being told, come on, we should. I, it is having an effect. It is having an effect. We all know, we all know what we shouldn't, shouldn't be doing and we all try our best not to destroy as much anymore.
1:04:55 Speaker 03 And the thing about, you know, there's, there's sometimes, we're often told.
1:05:01 Speaker 03 That we should sort of not be political, but you know, 150 years ago, whenever that story was, was it 1853? I mean, if it wasn't for sort of political people, you know, still have slavery. You know, if, if, if you'd, there would still be, there would still be slaves in America if it wasn't for people who didn't stick to polit-, uh, stay out of politics or like stay in their lane or whatever. So, yeah.
1:05:27 Speaker 02 Do you know about, um, oh, what's his name? I'm gonna forget his name now. This is gonna be really bad. Is it James Brown? No, not James Brown.
1:05:34 Speaker 03 John Brown.
1:05:35 Speaker 02 John Brown.
1:05:35 Speaker 03 Yeah. They're different songs. Yeah. Yeah. John Brown's body lies in the mud. And that's John Brown.
1:05:43 Speaker 02 But John Brown, he's someone that, um, fascinates me because he was, um, you know, depends on what angle you want to take from. I had come from the angle of like, he's a fucking badass.
1:05:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:05:58 Speaker 02 Cool dude. Um, but yeah, we'll get, maybe we'll get into that. Maybe we'll do some John Brown facts.
1:06:04 Speaker 03 We should do some John Brown stuff.
1:06:05 Speaker 02 If you don't know who John Brown is, go and check him out.
1:06:07 Speaker 03 He was a legend, I think.
1:06:09 Speaker 02 Absolutely brilliant. Um, right. We, on that bombshell, we need to wrap up here. Um, we'll be back next week, armed with more facts, chats and tree saps.
1:06:18 Speaker 03 Nice.
1:06:19 Speaker 02 Better than last week.
1:06:20 Speaker 03 A return to form.
1:06:20 Speaker 02 Brilliant. Right back on top there.
1:06:23 Speaker 03 Make sure it stays at that level, please.
1:06:25 Speaker 02 Um, don't forget in touch, uh, don't forget in touch. Don't forget that you can get in touch with us.
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1:07:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
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