Dave Franco, Vol. IV

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Over three movies, I've gotten, you know, proficient enough at throwing cards that I will cut a banana in half. I can cut a banana in half with a throwing card.

• 0:07Josh Horowitz?

  That's great.

• 0:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. And like, people are like, oh, gosh, do you do that wherever you go? And I'm like, no, I don't just carry around a deck of cards and a fucking banana, but if you got one, let's go.

• 0:17Speaker 02

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins.

• 0:25Josh Horowitz?

  Hey, guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy Sad Confused. Today on the show, it is Dave Franco, always a delight. His fourth time on the podcast. We are talking about his new film, Idiots. This is a fun one. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast. Remember to hit that subscribe button on YouTube, on Spotify, wherever you're doing it, however you're doing it. I appreciate you guys. Before we get to the main event today, which is, as I said, Mr. Dave Franco, a couple of quick reminders. Uh, we have an upcoming event to mention, actually, in New York City, back at the 92nd Street Y. I'm gonna be hanging out with Joe Manganiello. We're talking about his entire career and his new memoir, Bloodlines. It is always a fun time with Joe. Uh, check it out. Get your tickets now, October 13th in New York City. There are a lot more live events cooking, so just check out

• 1:07Josh Horowitz?

  my pages on Instagram, et cetera, but also check out our Patreon. That's where we put our announcements and our discount codes, patreon.com/happysadconfused for all the info on everything I do and everything Happy Sad Confused does. Uh, today on the show, as I said, it is Mr. Dave Franco, who is always a delight. He's just one of the real ones out there. Very funny. Uh, a true cinephile, always easy to talk to. This one has it all, including, um, uh, physical assault? A little bit, yeah. We slap each other. No context, you'll see, just trust me. Or if you're listening, you'll hear it, I guess. Um, his new film is Macon Blair's new film. It is called Idiots.

• 1:46Josh Horowitz?

  Um, it is a wild, funny, um, dramatic tale starring him, Mason Thames, and O'Shea Jackson Jr. Well worth your time. I highly recommend it. It's gonna be in theaters this Friday. Look out for it. He's also got a DreamWorks animated film, Forgotten Island, that's coming soon. Always very busy and always happy to support everything that Dave Franco does. This is a really fun conversation. So without any further ado, I'll let you guys enjoy it, listen to it, watch it, however you're doing it. It's up to you. Here is me and the one and only Dave Franco. Dave?

• 2:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:19Josh Horowitz?

  We're, we're doing the podcast.

• 2:20Speaker 00

  We're back again. Number three?

• 2:22Josh Horowitz?

  Four.

• 2:23Speaker 00

  What?

• 2:23Josh Horowitz?

  You are one away from the coveted five timers club.

• 2:26Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait, wait. What's the most recent time we did this?

• 2:28Josh Horowitz?

  It's been a while. It was pandemic.

• 2:30Speaker 00

  Was it pandemic? Were we talking about Bean John Malkovich?

• 2:33Josh Horowitz?

  You're for comfort movie. Good memory, yes. But the first time was 10 years ago, 2016. And look, if you, if you play your cards right, the fifth time, you do get a hat. And you join the likes of Tom Hiddleston, Claire Foy.

• 2:47Speaker 00

  Yes, good company.

• 2:48Josh Horowitz?

  It's good company.

• 2:49Speaker 00

  All right. Okay, let's see how this goes.

• 2:50Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. It's not like you get cocky, okay? Um, you are a man of many talents. You're an actor, you're a filmmaker, you're a cat daddy.

• 2:59Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 3:00Josh Horowitz?

  We're gonna get to that.

• 3:00Speaker 00

  Probably most importantly, the last of those three, yeah.

• 3:04Josh Horowitz?

  And you're an idiot.

• 3:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're adding something else to the resume.

• 3:07Josh Horowitz?

  Rare I can say that and not be worried of retribution from the guests.

• 3:10Speaker 00

  Sure, sure. You can always call me an idiot, even when I'm not promoting a movie called Idiots.

• 3:15Josh Horowitz?

  I've been saying it for years, and now justify, no. No, the movie is called Idiots. It's awesome. It's from Macon Blair. For those that don't know, Macon is one of the, one of the real ones out there.

• 3:26Speaker 00

  It really is. Um, let's shout out Macon real quick. So Macon, he's also an actor. He's in one of my favorite movies, Blue Ruin. Uh, this is a movie, uh, directed by Jeremy Solnier. It was his debut. Since then, Solnier did Green Room, Rebel Ridge. He's like a real fucking filmmaker.

• 3:43Josh Horowitz?

  Yep.

• 3:43Speaker 00

  And so is Macon. Macon's first movie that he wrote and directed is this movie called I Don't Feel at Home in This World Anymore.

• 3:49Josh Horowitz?

  Melanie Linsky, Elijah Wood.

• 3:51Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 3:52Josh Horowitz?

  Great movie.

• 3:52Speaker 00

  And it's just like, this is one of the most underappreciated movies out there. He, he like, Macon has his own style where he really leans in to dark comedy, but then he'll give you real violence. And really, his main stamp on his projects is as soon as you start to feel comfortable and you think you know where you're going, he will pull the rug out from you.

• 4:15Josh Horowitz?

  Totally.

• 4:15Speaker 00

  And just take you in the most bizarre, insane directions. And it's like, he's just a unique talent.

• 4:21Josh Horowitz?

  It doesn't feel like he's like going by like, you know, the playbook of like, every character needs to be sympathetic and fuzzy, like, these are messy people.

• 4:29Speaker 00

  Also, like, characters are gonna go on some crazy journey, and they're not gonna grow. They're not gonna learn from it.

• 4:35Josh Horowitz?

  So we don't grow, guys.

• 4:36Speaker 00

  That's real life, man. And then sometimes other characters, like my character in this movie, they'll, they'll grow.

• 4:42Josh Horowitz?

  Incremental.

• 4:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:45Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, from where you start.

• 4:46Speaker 00

  Yes. I mean, my character in this movie starts as a guy who skids his car into a handicap space. So like, fuck that guy. But, you know, I start the movie, I've dug myself this deep hole, but as an actor, I take that as a challenge. I'm like, I have the rest of the movie now to like, help the audience understand who this guy is, where he's coming from, what his vulnerabilities are, and hopefully by the end, you know, you might sympathize a little with him. You might even root for him.

• 5:13Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I know you've talked about this a bunch with the press story. If there's one like sad part of this press story is that we're not talking about the shitheads. We can agree on that.

• 5:22Speaker 00

  Yes. So the original title of the film?

• 5:24Josh Horowitz?

  Yep.

• 5:24Speaker 00

  The shitheads.

• 5:25Josh Horowitz?

  Yes, which is, I mean, Idiots is a great title. Don't get me wrong.

• 5:28Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:28Josh Horowitz?

  Um, how, how hard was the battle for, for the shitheads? I mean, was there like a reckoning? Was it on set? Was it afterwards? Like, oh, wait, this really just is not gonna fly?

• 5:38Speaker 00

  So this project has been around for like 10 years, and it has been the shitheads for about 10 years. And we, you know, obviously, that title is, it's objectively great.

• 5:49Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 5:49Speaker 00

  And we were like, let's hold on to this as long as we can. So we made it through our screening at Sundance, and we got bought by IFC, and we were still the shitheads. And we're like, there's no turning back now. They can't take this away from us. And then IFC, they, to their credit, they came to us and they were like, hey, we're down to ride this out and kind of be punk rock and just hold on to this title, but we need to let you know that we won't be able to promote this movie in most places. You can't have the word shit out in public on billboards, you know? And so at the end of the day, it's like, we spent, we, we put so much into this film and we want people to see it. And, you know, I was even on like, the morning shows today, and I was just like, oh, we wouldn't be able, we wouldn't be here if this was the shitheads.

• 6:34Josh Horowitz?

  No. It's the start of the S-heads. What would you even say?

• 6:38Speaker 00

  We tried to ride shitheads for a while. That didn't fly.

• 6:42Josh Horowitz?

  Where are you at on the word idiot? Is that something in your lexicon? Like, does Alison call you an idiot on a regular basis? Are you?

• 6:49Speaker 00

  I don't know where you're going with that. I don't, I don't think that's a good assumption.

• 6:52Josh Horowitz?

  I'm projecting. My wife calls me an idiot.

• 6:54Speaker 00

  Does she really?

• 6:55Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:55Speaker 00

  Give me the context. Give me an example.

• 6:57Josh Horowitz?

  You're an idiot.

• 6:58Speaker 00

  Like, what have you done that's idiotic?

• 7:00Josh Horowitz?

  What did I do just the other day? Um, something will come to me. It's a, honestly, it's a daily occurrence.

• 7:05Speaker 00

  Is it really? Yeah. Josh, get a hold of yourself.

• 7:08Josh Horowitz?

  It's my problem?

• 7:09Speaker 00

  It's your problem. You're clearly doing some idiotic shit that you're getting called out on.

• 7:13Josh Horowitz?

  Why are you taking Persaud? You know me.

• 7:15Speaker 00

  If this is a daily occurrence, you're doing something wrong.

• 7:19Josh Horowitz?

  It's not like she's like, you fucking idiot, get your shit together. It's more of like, with love.

• 7:23Speaker 00

  Oh, oh.

• 7:24Josh Horowitz?

  You're an idiot.

• 7:25Speaker 00

  Give me, give me.

• 7:26Josh Horowitz?

  I need to think of an example.

• 7:27Speaker 00

  Give me the inflection of how she says it to you.

• 7:28Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, it's more of like, you're an idiot.

• 7:30Speaker 00

  Okay, there's a little love behind it. She's smiling through it, but there's also a little cutting in there. She's cutting you down a little.

• 7:36Josh Horowitz?

  There's a basis of reality.

• 7:38Speaker 00

  Do you ever call her an idiot?

• 7:40Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 00

  Oh, when she's doing what?

• 7:43Josh Horowitz?

  She, uh, I can call her out, even though I can't think of the things that she calls me out on. She, um, she has, I think there's something in her brain that doesn't allow her to open doors in the proper way.

• 7:52Speaker 00

  That's interesting.

• 7:53Josh Horowitz?

  She pushes when it, when you need to pull, she pulls when.

• 7:55Speaker 00

  That's relatable.

• 7:56Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, so, and, and I, I say, you're, you're being an idiot. That you're an idiot.

• 7:59Speaker 00

  Okay, every time she pushes or pulls the wrong way?

• 8:01Josh Horowitz?

  Again, I'm not mean like, you stupid.

• 8:03Speaker 00

  I'm on her side. I'm on her side.

• 8:05Josh Horowitz?

  This has turned into a horrible look for me. Not only do I look like an idiot, but I look like an asshole for calling my wife an idiot.

• 8:12Speaker 00

  I gotta bring you down with me, man.

• 8:14Josh Horowitz?

  It's a double whammy.

• 8:15Speaker 00

  I've been called an idiot for the last two months on this press tour, so I just need someone, a comrade.

• 8:19Josh Horowitz?

  So, so in real life, no. Apparently, your wife is not calling you.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  No, it's not a word that comes up often. Um, how does she scold me? Uh, when she says my name, it's like when we don't, when we aren't calling each other pet names, and she goes, she goes, Davy, does she, what did she say? Does she call me Davy or Dave?

• 8:38Josh Horowitz?

  I've heard you, I've heard her call you Davy a lot in, in.

• 8:42Speaker 00

  It can be very endearing, too.

• 8:43Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 8:44Speaker 00

  But that's in like press, right? When we're addressing each other, it's all, it's usually babe or some other, you know, pet name that I'm not gonna say right now. But when she says Dave or Davy, just to me, I'm, I'm in trouble.

• 8:57Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 8:58Speaker 00

  It's rare.

• 8:58Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 8:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. I know when to perk up, though, and then, you know, apologize immediately, yeah.

• 9:03Josh Horowitz?

  Did you have any nicknames growing up?

• 9:06Speaker 00

  Well, Davy came about, my, my real name is David, and, um, basically, my brother knew some kid in his grade named David that he really didn't like, and said to me, your name is not gonna be that. And so I became Davy from very early on.

• 9:25Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 9:26Speaker 00

  And so people who have known me since childhood, that's what, that's what they call me. And that's how I know, uh, like, when someone comes up to me or I hear just someone screaming Davy, I'm like, somebody who's known me forever.

• 9:35Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 9:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. So what do you call me, though? Cause we've known each other a long time.

• 9:38Josh Horowitz?

  I call you Dave.

• 9:39Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 9:40Josh Horowitz?

  What should I, what should I call you?

• 9:41Speaker 00

  By the end of this pod, you can call me Davy. I feel like number four. Come on.

• 9:45Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, I appreciate that. You can call me whatever you like. Idiot, shithead.

• 9:49Speaker 00

  Do I call you, I've never called you Horowitz.

• 9:51Josh Horowitz?

  I don't know.

• 9:52Speaker 00

  No, do people call you that?

• 9:53Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, some do.

• 9:54Speaker 00

  It's a mouthful.

• 9:55Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. Horowitz, Joshua is just like from like my sister, her mom. That's, that's.

• 10:02Speaker 00

  A little formal.

• 10:02Josh Horowitz?

  That's a little formal.

• 10:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:04Josh Horowitz?

  Mr. Horowitz Works.

• 10:05Speaker 00

  What did your wife call you?

• 10:06Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, asshole, idiot. I don't know.

• 10:08Speaker 00

  There we go. There we go. I just wanted to bring it around and have you say it again.

• 10:12Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, I alluded to this. Let's get this out of the way. Usually, it's how I end the podcast with a cat or dog question, but because dogs are so important to me, my side hustle, as you may or may not know, I do a dog show.

• 10:22Speaker 00

  I was gonna call you out on this. Yeah, go on.

• 10:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I do a dog show. I'm a big dog dad.

• 10:26Speaker 00

  Cats not allowed on the show, I heard.

• 10:28Josh Horowitz?

  Well, dude, okay, so it's made by dog lovers. I don't hate cats, to be clear.

• 10:34Speaker 00

  Do you like cats?

• 10:35Josh Horowitz?

  They're fine.

• 10:36Speaker 00

  Interesting. Continue.

• 10:37Josh Horowitz?

  I don't know why my voice went up there.

• 10:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:41Josh Horowitz?

  Um, I've never owned a cat.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 10:43Josh Horowitz?

  Have you, have you owned both in your life?

• 10:45Speaker 00

  I've never owned a dog.

• 10:46Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, so shut the fuck up. What's going on?

• 10:48Speaker 00

  I think dogs are way more than they're fine. I think dogs are great.

• 10:51Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 10:52Speaker 00

  Cats are just fucking wonderful.

• 10:53Josh Horowitz?

  Really? Okay, make the, give me the 60 second case for cats over dogs.

• 10:57Speaker 00

  Okay. I know everyone, I know everyone thinks the cliche about the cat is that like, you know, they don't wanna be around you and you gotta earn their love. My cats meet me at the door. Every time I come home, they literally flop so I can get their belly. They sleep in bed with us. And also, I don't need to take them on walks. All I need to do is clean that litter box once a day.

• 11:20Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 11:21Speaker 00

  Uh, how many times do you use your hands to pick up your dog's shit a day?

• 11:25Josh Horowitz?

  That seems like a very personal question.

• 11:29Josh Horowitz?

  A couple times.

• 11:30Speaker 00

  Couple, two to five?

• 11:31Josh Horowitz?

  Two, how many poops are a day?

• 11:33Speaker 00

  You tell me.

• 11:33Josh Horowitz?

  Two, at most, maximum two.

• 11:36Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, but you're using your hands.

• 11:38Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, that's love. It's called love and affection.

• 11:40Speaker 00

  That's, that's a word for it. Uh, anyway, I do love dogs. I've just grown up with cats and I, after, after winning, uh, Sexiest Cat Dad of 2025, People Magazine, um,

• 11:53Josh Horowitz?

  Wow, is that true?

• 11:54Speaker 00

  I, I have peaked, I've realized I've peaked in my life. It's all downhill from here. Um, but I really have been campaigning for this, this honor my whole life.

• 12:02Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Uh, has Cat Fancy ever profiled you? That's like the acquaintance, that's the,

• 12:06Speaker 00

  I should know about this, but I don't.

• 12:07Josh Horowitz?

  I feel like that's the famous cat magazine.

• 12:10Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 12:11Josh Horowitz?

  You're a cat poser.

• 12:11Speaker 00

  I'm just not on the internet.

• 12:15Speaker 00

  Cat Fancy, I'm gonna look into this.

• 12:17Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 12:17Speaker 00

  Um, but I've used this new platform of mine to just put out there that first off, cats are always vilified in pop culture.

• 12:26Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 12:27Speaker 00

  Basically, any animated movie that has a cat, they are the villain. And, and then a movie like Flo comes along, a Latvian animated movie?

• 12:35Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 12:35Speaker 00

  And the cat is the hero. And guess what, Josh?

• 12:38Josh Horowitz?

  Won the Oscar.

• 12:38Speaker 00

  Won the Oscar. And you know why? Cause it told the truth.

• 12:44Josh Horowitz?

  So condescending too.

• 12:45Speaker 00

  I love dogs.

• 12:48Speaker 00

  But I'm not going on your fucking trail.

• 12:52Josh Horowitz?

  Did you, um, how much, how many times have you seen the movie Cats?

• 12:56Speaker 00

  I mean, once, and it was a wonderful experience.

• 13:01Speaker 00

  Not sober, laughed a good amount. I think that's the most I've laughed in a movie in a very long time that I think about it.

• 13:09Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I don't know if that's what they were going for.

• 13:10Speaker 00

  You know, it's not not. There was a butthole cut out there at some point. That hasn't been released, has it?

• 13:15Josh Horowitz?

  Not that I know of.

• 13:16Speaker 00

  They should, it's been enough time.

• 13:18Josh Horowitz?

  They can connect. You deserve the butthole cut.

• 13:20Speaker 00

  The butthole cut might beat The Odyssey, honestly. In, at the box office, that's the only thing that could surpass it.

• 13:27Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, have you seen The Odyssey?

• 13:29Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:29Josh Horowitz?

  So great.

• 13:30Speaker 00

  Loved. Spectacle, baby. Cyclops? Are you kidding me? Practical effects.

• 13:34Josh Horowitz?

  Were you up for that Cyclops role?

• 13:36Speaker 00

  I was.

• 13:39Josh Horowitz?

  Did, did, did Lord and Miller audition you for Rocky? Could you have gotten the Rocky role?

• 13:43Speaker 00

  Lord and Miller auditioned me for Rocky? What are you talking about?

• 13:45Josh Horowitz?

  In Project Hail Mary.

• 13:46Speaker 00

  Oh, for Rocky. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. Peter Farrelly directed the new Rocky movie coming out. Did I go out for Rocky? Um, no. No, I didn't get that call.

• 13:56Josh Horowitz?

  Huh.

• 13:56Speaker 00

  I know, I should have, right? I would have been a good Rocky.

• 13:58Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 13:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, I've done a lot of good voice work recently, Josh. Not to pat myself on the back. I'm having fun.

• 14:05Josh Horowitz?

  Um, have you ever done mocap, performance capture?

• 14:07Speaker 00

  No.

• 14:08Josh Horowitz?

  Thoughts?

• 14:09Speaker 00

  Sure, down, absolutely.

• 14:11Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 14:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:12Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 14:13Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 14:14Josh Horowitz?

  I'm not offering. I don't have a mocap studio over here. Don't worry.

• 14:19Josh Horowitz?

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• 16:13Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, where were we? Let's, let's, let's promote this movie a little bit more before we go on too many more tangents.

• 16:17Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 16:17Josh Horowitz?

  Um, so Macon's on the shortlist. This comes around, title page, oh, that's interesting. I'm gonna flip the page.

• 16:23Speaker 00

  Definitely.

• 16:24Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, it's definitely a road trip comedy. It's definitely cut from Saint Cloud. I feel like there's a little midnight run in there, hangover in there. Even like pulp fiction vibes, I don't know.

• 16:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, sure.

• 16:35Josh Horowitz?

  Like, um, what jumped out at you as the excitement for you for this one?

• 16:40Speaker 00

  Well, first off, so I, I was originally talking to Macon about this movie nearly 10 years ago.

• 16:45Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 16:45Speaker 00

  And at that time, I was just too young to play this role. And so we just kind of amicably parted ways. And then,

• 16:52Josh Horowitz?

  You're consciously uncoupled.

• 16:54Speaker 00

  There we go. And, you know, eight years passed, and I reached out to him. I was like, dude, I'm old now. Let's go. Like, whatever happened to that movie? And he was like, oh, it almost went and it fell apart. And I was like, okay, no pressure, but if I can help in any way, I'd love to come on as a producer, try to help get the money. And he said, all right, let's do it. And so my first couple of calls were to O'Shea Jackson Jr., who I had worked with a handful of years ago on a Quibi project.

• 17:21Josh Horowitz?

  Loves Quibi.

• 17:21Speaker 00

  R.I.P. Uh, the $2 billion experiment that went down in six months.

• 17:26Josh Horowitz?

  Quibi's out of business. Nobody told me. I need to end my subscription.

• 17:30Speaker 00

  I know. To, to be fair to Quibi and this project that we did.

• 17:34Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 17:34Speaker 00

  This was also directed by the Farrelly brothers.

• 17:37Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  It had Bill Murray in it. It had Daryl Hannah, Jimmy Tatro, O'Shea Jackson Jr. Come on, that's a great team.

• 17:44Josh Horowitz?

  Could you smell the room where they were burning money like at Quibi? Like where they were just like?

• 17:48Speaker 00

  The truth is yes.

• 17:51Speaker 00

  It was pungent.

• 17:54Josh Horowitz?

  We had the 62nd Defense of Cats, 62nd Defense of Quibi, go.

• 17:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, so I met O'Shea on that project, and it has never seen the light of day, but I think the reason that we did that was so we could meet each other and then do idiots, you know, seven years later.

• 18:08Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 18:08Speaker 00

  Uh, I love him. So then I recently worked with Mason Thames on Regretting You, which is like, you know, a very weepy drama. Uh, basically the opposite of this movie of the idiots. Um, but I just saw, I saw something in Mason where I was like, this kid is so natural. Like, he's incapable of having a false moment on screen. And up until that point, he really only played the good guy. He was always the hero. And I was like, ooh, I wanna see your dark side, man.

• 18:35Josh Horowitz?

  That's part of the fun of this.

• 18:36Speaker 00

  Yes, you get to see like, well, without giving too much away, let me just, I'm jumping around, but let me just give you the premise of idiots that leads into what I was gonna say about Mason. So basically, it's like two down on their luck guys, played by me and O'Shea. And we're a couple of shitheads. We pair up to take this troubled teen to rehab. And so we are the last two guys that you want supervising your child who is in this vulnerable place. But the twist is, you realize that Mason's character is so much worse than us. He is full psychopath. And just to see Mason pull this off and just do it in like, such a quiet, creepy way,

• 19:21Speaker 00

  where I think if you cast this wrong, it's someone who leans too far into the villain side of it and it becomes like kind of cartoonish.

• 19:27Josh Horowitz?

  Yep.

• 19:28Speaker 00

  But Mason's like, he's like this still reptile. Uh, and he just kills it. And it's really fun for people to see this different side of it.

• 19:37Josh Horowitz?

  Well, in a way, it kind of reminds me, I mean, like talking about your own career, I mean, I feel like you have a very innate likeability that you traded on early on, like you kind of played a lot of early douchebags.

• 19:46Speaker 00

  Totally, totally.

• 19:47Josh Horowitz?

  And people were like, but he seems so sweet. But that was kind of fun to see you as an asshole.

• 19:51Speaker 00

  I think people didn't even say he seemed so sweet for a while because, because I'm not on social media, I realized, realized like, oh, people can't see the real me as often as other people kind of, you know, however they put themselves out there on social media. And so they're really just looking at my work and they're kind of like putting, you know, whatever opinion on me that they want based on the roles I play. And so I played a lot of assholes and douchebags early on. And so everyone was like, yeah, fuck that guy. He must be like that.

• 20:20Josh Horowitz?

  Did you like actually feel that, like in the world?

• 20:22Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 20:23Josh Horowitz?

  In what ways? Concretize that for me. How were you, did you feel like people, people judging?

• 20:27Speaker 00

  You know, meeting people and them being like, oh, you're a nice person and being surprised by that. Yeah. But then like, you know, I've been doing this for nearly 20 years now, and I've done enough interviews now that I, I, I hope that people get a sense of who I really am. But just going back to playing these roles that are like so outside of myself, these really villainous characters sometimes, it's fun.

• 20:49Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  It's fun. It's juicy. You really get to sink your teeth in. I think about roles like, um, you know, this, this role I play in Love Lies Bleeding.

• 20:56Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 20:57Speaker 00

  I, I have a dirty mullet rat tail and I, I, I'm just the biggest piece of shit ever. And I'm just like, oh, I can just lean in. And it's one of those things where when you're watching a movie like that with an audience, when they start like clapping at your demise, you're like, I did a good job. But then like even in an animated movie like Hoppers that came out this year, like, God, I get to play this unhinged juicy bad guy where I remember in those recording sessions, we had a lot of conversations of like, is this too far? Is this too scary for kids?

• 21:36Speaker 00

  And we, we finally found the line of what was too far. And it was when the animators, they put together this sequence where my character was doing like the backwards Exorcist walk. And this is in a Pixar children's film. And they were like, oh, okay, not only are the kids scared, the adults are scared as well. We draw the line at the exorcist. But like my friend who I grew up with, she has a three-year-old daughter, they went to the, uh, to see Hoppers, and my friend calls me after and she's like, she's like, okay, in my daughter's three years of life, you in Hoppers is literally the scariest thing that's ever happened to her. Fuck you. And I go, that is the best review I've ever gotten.

• 22:17Josh Horowitz?

  Um, apropos of nothing, but I was watching, I was like, I watched the credits for, in addition to having Lars von Trier, thank you, which I, I figured it out.

• 22:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:25Josh Horowitz?

  Because of his movie.

• 22:25Speaker 00

  Antichrist. Oh, and the idiot.

• 22:28Josh Horowitz?

  That's what I thought.

• 22:29Speaker 00

  Well, it's a double, it's a double.

• 22:30Josh Horowitz?

  Wait, why Antichrist?

• 22:31Speaker 00

  He directed Antichrist, man. Lars, have you seen Antichrist?

• 22:36Josh Horowitz?

  Yes, I have.

• 22:36Speaker 00

  Have you?

• 22:37Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I have. Yeah, the, the, there's, there's penis involved. There's a...

• 22:40Speaker 00

  Well, so the reality is, in Antichrist, there's, there's D going into V during opening credits.

• 22:47Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 22:47Speaker 00

  That's a, that's a swing. I respect it. You know what, you know what's not as palatable?

• 22:54Speaker 00

  Is later on in that film, is the most gnarly moment in cinematic history, when Charlotte Gainsborough uses scissors to cut off her most sensitive part. And that haunts me. If I close my eyes, I can see it now. And that will never leave my mind.

• 23:13Josh Horowitz?

  So beyond the Lars von Trier shout out.

• 23:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:15Josh Horowitz?

  Um, Alison is credited with a voice role.

• 23:18Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 23:18Josh Horowitz?

  Well, who does she play? I missed that.

• 23:20Speaker 00

  Um, there's, there's a little montage where we show Mason Thane's character being a little shithead on the internet.

• 23:25Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 23:26Speaker 00

  And she's in that, um, as a reporter, uh, talking about Mason's character in court, telling the, telling the judge to quote, gargle them. That's Alison.

• 23:37Josh Horowitz?

  Got it.

• 23:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. She's up for her best supporting actress. It's, it's, it's in the works.

• 23:42Josh Horowitz?

  Has she seen this more than you've seen Masters of the Universe? Who saw which more?

• 23:46Speaker 00

  She, equal.

• 23:47Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 23:48Speaker 00

  Two times, two times each. You know what?

• 23:50Josh Horowitz?

  A couple of couple.

• 23:51Speaker 00

  That, that's right. That's right.

• 23:53Josh Horowitz?

  Do you visit each other on set when you both are working, or is it kind of like a sacred space where you're like, do your thing?

• 23:57Speaker 00

  Not really.

• 23:58Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  It's, it's one of these things like, not that it's uncomfortable going to someone else's set, it's just kind of like, you do your thing.

• 24:05Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 24:06Speaker 00

  Uh, I'm, I'm, uh, when it's something cool, when it's something really fun, like I, I remember her visiting me during Now You Three Me. And we were doing like a really cool fight sequence. She's like, oh, I'll, I'll, I'll come and just see you fling your body around for a couple hours. Yeah.

• 24:22Josh Horowitz?

  Didn't come just to see what, what Jared Leto was doing to Skeletor?

• 24:25Speaker 00

  Oh, man. Uh, I would have liked to see it, but no, I did not.

• 24:29Josh Horowitz?

  You wouldn't have met Jared, you would have met Skeletor, I think.

• 24:31Speaker 00

  True. The guy goes method.

• 24:34Josh Horowitz?

  That's amazing.

• 24:35Speaker 00

  It's wild going method at Skeletor. That's, that's respect.

• 24:39Josh Horowitz?

  Um, I do consider you guys like in the power couple rankings, like high up there.

• 24:43Speaker 00

  Appreciate it.

• 24:44Josh Horowitz?

  I put like Matthew Reese and Keri Russell up there.

• 24:46Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, man.

• 24:47Josh Horowitz?

  Where do you rank yourself, like in the, in the Zendaya, Tom Holland, the Kirsten Dunst, Jesse Plemons?

• 24:51Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 24:52Josh Horowitz?

  This is for me is rarefied air.

• 24:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 24:54Josh Horowitz?

  Where do you, where do you consider yourself?

• 24:55Speaker 00

  You're gonna make me rank my, our, our own power couple-ness?

• 24:58Josh Horowitz?

  Or like which of those could you beat, uh, to death in a fight?

• 25:02Speaker 00

  Just a straight up physical fight?

• 25:04Josh Horowitz?

  Thunderdome. You go into Thunderdome against Kirsten Dunst and Jesse Plemons.

• 25:08Speaker 00

  Okay. Here's the thing. Alison's a badass.

• 25:12Josh Horowitz?

  Exactly.

• 25:13Speaker 00

  Um, she's, she's kind of gotten me to her gym more. I'm not saying I'm a badass. I'm not near that level, but I'm getting stronger. Uh, uh, we're, we're, we're giving ourselves slightly better odds than maybe a year ago, but I think we're getting our ass beat by most of those people.

• 25:31Speaker 00

  If I'm being honest, I don't know if either of us have ever been in a real physical fight. Have you?

• 25:37Josh Horowitz?

  Look at me.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  I know, but I was just like hoping for like an anomaly of a story. Has anyone ever slapped you?

• 25:43Josh Horowitz?

  Um, only in, in scripted bits, not for real.

• 25:46Speaker 00

  Sure, sure, sure, sure.

• 25:47Josh Horowitz?

  You can slap me at the end if you want.

• 25:48Speaker 00

  I would love to.

• 25:49Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 25:49Speaker 00

  I'm gonna give you like a medium slap. It's not gonna be like nothing, but it's not gonna be full on.

• 25:53Josh Horowitz?

  Do you want to do it now or at the end?

• 25:54Speaker 00

  You tell me.

• 25:55Josh Horowitz?

  I'll take it now. Let's, let's just get it out of the way.

• 25:56Speaker 00

  How about like, how about, I'll give you one now and then we can lead up to like slightly harder later.

• 26:01Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 26:01Speaker 00

  Yes. Give, give the people something to look forward to.

• 26:03Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, here we go.

• 26:03Speaker 00

  Okay. Ready? This is gonna be nothing. Okay. Cut.

• 26:07Speaker 00

  How'd it go? First time you've ever been slapped for real?

• 26:10Josh Horowitz?

  Thanks for that.

• 26:13Speaker 00

  Josh, it's nice to try new things.

• 26:17Speaker 00

  Here's what I'm gonna do though.

• 26:18Josh Horowitz?

  It's my new kink, Dave Franco slapping me.

• 26:19Speaker 00

  Here's what I'm gonna do though. I gave you one and you saw, you felt how hard that was.

• 26:24Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 00

  I'm gonna give you the opportunity to slap me and you go as hard as you want later.

• 26:28Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 26:28Speaker 00

  Okay. End of the interview.

• 26:29Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 26:30Speaker 00

  Let's go.

• 26:31Josh Horowitz?

  I'm sweating.

• 26:31Speaker 00

  No, that's okay. That's okay. I want it. I want it.

• 26:34Josh Horowitz?

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• 28:49Josh Horowitz?

  Let's go all the way back. What's the legacy of your super bad character at this point? Do you still get people asking you about the, uh, the pissing incident that's alluded to?

• 28:57Speaker 00

  It comes up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, um, I remember when I first got that role. I, I genuinely didn't tell any of my friends that I got it. And the reason for that is because it was such a small part that I figured, there's a good chance I'm gonna get cut out of this movie.

• 29:14Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 29:14Speaker 00

  My role does not progress the story in any way. And so then the movie came out and did what it did. And everyone in my life was like, what the fuck are you doing in that movie? Um, and even though I'm in it for like, you know, 15 seconds, it became so popular that people on the street were screaming like, hey, man, why don't you go piss yourself again? And so for me, I immediately recognized like, oh, I need to keep working so I'm not piss boy for the rest of my life. But to this day, it's like that movie is so iconic that it does come up.

• 29:43Josh Horowitz?

  Like, is this like a monthly thing? Like how, what's the, when's the last time someone said, hey piss boy or whatever?

• 29:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. Realistically, that movie will come up to me, I'm gonna say four times a year.

• 29:53Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 29:53Speaker 00

  Four to six times a year.

• 29:54Josh Horowitz?

  That's a nice cadence, I think.

• 29:55Speaker 00

  Every other month sometimes.

• 29:56Josh Horowitz?

  Right?

• 29:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:57Josh Horowitz?

  It's gonna be weird when you're in your seventies and someone's like, hey piss boy.

• 30:01Speaker 00

  True. But at that point, it's like, maybe I'm just old and senile enough where I'll just give it to them and I'll just start pissing my pants, just in public. And just like give people those stories like Bill Murray gives people those stories.

• 30:13Josh Horowitz?

  Um, I think we've covered this in the past, but would you rather talk more today about your Twilight audition or your solo audition?

• 30:19Speaker 00

  Oh my God, Josh. Um...

• 30:22Josh Horowitz?

  I don't think we ever really talked about the Twilight one. Was it, was the Twilight, did you do that with Catherine Hardwicke with another actress? Like, do you remember anything about that one?

• 30:29Speaker 00

  Here's the craziest thing about that. And, uh, I don't even know how close I was to getting the role. I just know I was like, maybe one of the quote unquote finalists or semifinalists, whatever that means. That could mean 20 people left.

• 30:47Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 30:47Speaker 00

  It could mean four people.

• 30:48Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 30:49Speaker 00

  Anyway, I, I, it's something that, when was that movie? When did the first one come out?

• 30:54Josh Horowitz?

  2008.

• 30:55Speaker 00

  It's been nearly 20 years, Josh. This is a movie that like, I wasn't, I was, I wasn't even that close to. It's still coming up. And that comes up probably four to six times a year.

• 31:07Josh Horowitz?

  That's just me talking to you.

• 31:08Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 31:09Josh Horowitz?

  But it is a fascinating fork in the road. Not that like it sounds like it wasn't necessarily that close to happening.

• 31:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:15Josh Horowitz?

  But like, could you imagine like that life? That's like a such a different road to go down.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  To give Pattinson a lot of respect. It's like, he took the success of those movies and was like, I'm gonna use this clout to work with all these really interesting directors.

• 31:33Josh Horowitz?

  Absolutely.

• 31:33Speaker 00

  And, you know, obviously look at what he's doing now, but he he's just like, obviously a genuine film lover. And he was like, hey, I'm gonna do these weird indies. I'm gonna work with these incredible directors.

• 31:44Josh Horowitz?

  Cronenberg, right off the bat, that was like his first thing. He did these small Cronenberg movies. I always talk about this.

• 31:48Speaker 00

  Maps of the Stars?

• 31:50Josh Horowitz?

  Maps of the Stars, but he did Cosmopolis also.

• 31:52Speaker 00

  There we go.

• 31:53Josh Horowitz?

  And like, because I was in the middle of that Twilight insanity at MTV. And if you had asked me, with all due respect to Rob, like, we knew Kristen was an amazing talent, but even before Twilight. And Rob, like, the jury was out. We didn't know. There's nothing in Twilight where you're like, this guy's gonna be the next great actor. But he put in the work and he made the choices and he, all due, all respect, I can't believe where we're at.

• 32:13Speaker 00

  Man, he, uh, from as far as I know, you know, the Safdie brothers had obviously made a few films before Good Time. But they were even more, you know, they were, they were very kind of gritty indie movies about like heroin addicts. This movie, Heaven Knows What, and they're like, fucking awesome and beautifully made. And Rob is like, I wanna work with those guys.

• 32:33Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 32:34Speaker 00

  And then Good Time comes out and you see him in a light that you've never seen him before and you're like, oh, this guy can do anything.

• 32:40Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 32:41Speaker 00

  And it's just been cool seeing not only Rob Sore from there, but also the Safdie's obviously doing what they're doing now.

• 32:47Josh Horowitz?

  Is there a filmmaker that you feel like, you know, it's not a one to one, but like that had put some some trust in you and said like, I'm gonna let you do something that you haven't had a chance to express.

• 32:56Speaker 00

  Oh, oh.

• 32:58Josh Horowitz?

  Like, who, who do you credit kind of like broadening your career and kind of taking the chance on you at a pivotal moment?

• 33:03Speaker 00

  Gosh, I mean, I guess the first thing that comes to mind, and this is very early on, but like, you know, Lorna Miller for Jump Street. Where, um, you know, that was a very intense audition process. I went in like six or seven times for that, so I, I, I had to earn it, but like, they were taking a risk on me. This is a big movie, this is a big role in the movie, and I hadn't done very much. But like, we, because they put that trust in me, I'll always have love for those guys. And I'll always do anything they ever come to me with. And we, we've continued to work together, you know, over, you know, almost two decades now. I did the Lego Ninjago movie with them. I did this Apple TV series, The After Party with them. Anytime they call, I'm there.

• 33:48Josh Horowitz?

  The way you, yeah, you, um, you sadly say, you bought us Taco Bell.

• 33:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, man.

• 33:54Josh Horowitz?

  It breaks my heart every single time. The pathos.

• 33:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. But like, that was, that was like a-

• 33:59Josh Horowitz?

  The friendship bracelet.

• 34:00Speaker 00

  I know. That was like, that was a good learning experience where the writing was so good and they gifted me this character that really was ahead of his time, you know? This was like the coolest kid in school who's also like an eco-friendly freak. And so just like all these lines they gave me, like you're mentioning, it's like, okay, do not lean into the joke here. You play this as earnestly as possible and that's how you find the comedy. And that's kind of how I approach, basically anytime I'm in a funny movie, it's like I'm treating it like a, like it's a drama. It doesn't matter how ridiculous the dialogue is, I'm gonna try to sell this and make this as grounded as possible.

• 34:42Josh Horowitz?

  He, he did die off screen in, in, between the films, your character, right?

• 34:47Speaker 00

  No way, bro.

• 34:47Josh Horowitz?

  Wait, he doesn't die?

• 34:48Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm-

• 34:49Josh Horowitz?

  Wait, you're still out there?

• 34:49Speaker 00

  I'm getting grape'd by Rob, Rob Riggle in prison, man.

• 34:53Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, that's what happens. That's what, how did I block that one?

• 34:55Speaker 00

  You know what happens to a handsome guy like me in prison? It rhymes with grape, man.

• 35:00Josh Horowitz?

  How could I forget? I apologize, I apologize. The reason I ask is, they are finally, after all these years.

• 35:06Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 35:06Josh Horowitz?

  Doing another Jump Street.

• 35:07Speaker 00

  I know.

• 35:08Josh Horowitz?

  So?

• 35:09Speaker 00

  So, I, the truth is, I don't know if I'm coming back. That is the absolute truth. I am, I am letting them know, I'm around, I love this franchise, I'm here if you need me, but that's, that's as far as I've gotten so far.

• 35:24Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 35:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:25Josh Horowitz?

  What did you, um, speaking of, I don't know if you're coming back on the studio or not, but Emmy nominated performance in the studio, what an unbelievable.

• 35:34Speaker 00

  So fun.

• 35:34Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, come on.

• 35:35Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 35:36Josh Horowitz?

  Talk to me a little bit about, I mean, the CinemaCon stuff at the end, having been to CinemaCon to see what you guys did there in Vegas. Always, I don't know how you guys shot what you shot.

• 35:45Speaker 00

  I agree, I agree. So, I mean, first off, like, just, just coming together again with those guys who I've known since Superbad, 20 years now. And, you know, when you're surrounded by these, these people that you know so well, who you feel so comfortable with, that's when you can be really free and take huge swings. And as you've seen in those Cinema, CinemaCon episodes, I go big. And so I play, I play myself on the show. I'm like literally playing Dave Franco. And I remember before the very first take, what, first off, actually before I say that, so I'm playing Dave Franco inebriated on alcohol, weed, cocaine and mushrooms simultaneously. So, before the first-

• 36:28Josh Horowitz?

  So Dave Franco?

• 36:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. So before the first take, I go up to Seth and Evan and I'm like, how big do you want me to play this? Like, there's so many different ways to do this.

• 36:38Josh Horowitz?

  One to 10, what do you need?

• 36:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, and they're like, just feel it out, just have fun. And then what happens with those guys, and again, with just people you trust and love and who know you well, more often than not, they're just pushing you to go further, go crazier, have fun. And when you're having a good time, it shows on screen. And so it's, it's like a, a rare occasion where you come home at the end of the day and you're like, oh yeah, that was work. Like, I'm getting paid to do that? I, I, I would pay them to be in this show.

• 37:05Josh Horowitz?

  They give you an Emmy nomination for that?

• 37:08Speaker 00

  Truly, truly. So, just off of that, first off, I didn't even know I was eligible for an Emmy. I didn't know when they were being announced. And I remember being in the kitchen with Allison one morning and all of a sudden I get a text from my publicist and it just says, Emmy! And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And we, we Google it and I go, babe, I, I, I think I just got nominated for an Emmy. She's like, what the fuck are you talking about? I was like, I don't know, I don't know.

• 37:36Speaker 00

  But it was like the greatest way to find out because I had zero expectations.

• 37:41Speaker 00

  But what I will say to you, Josh, because I love you, is that, um, I'm gonna be in season two.

• 37:50Josh Horowitz?

  Hell yeah.

• 37:50Speaker 00

  And I can't say any more details, but it's very fun. And, uh-

• 37:56Josh Horowitz?

  Share this, I've, I've, I'm not gonna name names because I've heard some names that I know for a fact that are in the new season that are gonna blow people's minds.

• 38:02Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, do you wanna share some of those names?

• 38:04Josh Horowitz?

  I can't.

• 38:04Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 38:05Josh Horowitz?

  They're gonna yell at me.

• 38:05Speaker 00

  Okay, great. Yeah, it's insane.

• 38:07Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 38:08Speaker 00

  It's, it's like, uh, we can't say anything. What are we even trying to say right now?

• 38:12Josh Horowitz?

  I don't know, I don't know. It'll be, it'll be amazing, but it was my favorite show of that year, last year, or whatever it was.

• 38:16Speaker 00

  I'll, I'll just say like, God, these guys are geniuses. Like, they, they set such a high bar with season one. And they're really going ambitious with season two and it's working so well. I'm so excited for people to see what they've been up to.

• 38:31Josh Horowitz?

  So you got the Emmy nomination for that, you got the Nobel Peace Prize for Now You See Me 3?

• 38:36Speaker 00

  I think that's right. I think that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:39Josh Horowitz?

  In the, in the course of an unpredictable career, every actor's career is unpredictable. The fact that we have a franchise called Now You See Me, that is what it is.

• 38:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 38:48Josh Horowitz?

  We have, we have to acknowledge this is one of the strangest things ever.

• 38:50Speaker 00

  This is, this is magicians pulling off bank heists? We've made three of these with a fourth on the way? Are you kidding me? It's incredible.

• 38:58Josh Horowitz?

  It might be proof that the, um, the space-time continuum is cracked. You might be the best evidence of that, Now You See Me.

• 39:04Speaker 00

  I'll take it. I'm gonna take that honor. But like, gosh, these movies are just so inherently fun and I love this cast so much. Like, there's no other, there's no other set I've ever been on where I laughed that hard. And these just, you know, I've known, I've known this cast for 15 years now, they're family. And, uh, I think people, when they're watching these movies, you can feel how much we love each other. And like, you know, Fast and Furious movies, how many have they done? 10, 11?

• 39:32Josh Horowitz?

  Nine, 10, something, yeah, yeah.

• 39:33Speaker 00

  Let's go! We're Fast and the Furious with magic, let's knock the leg, let's make 11!

• 39:38Josh Horowitz?

  Do you have cred with the magician community? Do you get invites to the magic castle? Do you get?

• 39:44Speaker 00

  You know, I, I will get like magicians coming up to me on the street and they'll be very excited and they'll, you know, we'll take pictures and they'll tell me about their, their whole thing. But like, I think, I think magicians really do love this series. And I think, I think what's, what's been great about it is like, hey, we're making magic cool, man. Like, it is fucking cool. Like, these are very, these are like tricks, these tiny tricks that I do in this movie sometimes, kind of hand dexterity stuff. These are tricks that I'm practicing for months in my hotel room and they're on screen for two seconds and people probably think it's VFX.

• 40:18Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 40:19Speaker 00

  So anyway, this is just a shout out to magicians for just the fucking work you're putting in.

• 40:23Josh Horowitz?

  Who's got better, uh, hand dexterity, you or Channing Tatum? Gambit versus your Now You See Me character? Do you feel a little jealous that your buddy Channing is Mr. Superhero Card Thrower?

• 40:34Speaker 00

  Not at all. Channing is the man for that role. And like, can you imagine if every movie I'm in, I'm just throwing cards? I can't play Gambit 2.

• 40:43Speaker 00

  No, no, no, zero jealousy.

• 40:44Josh Horowitz?

  Why is this guy in the Holocaust throwing cards?

• 40:46Speaker 00

  Exactly, exactly.

• 40:49Speaker 00

  But I have gotten over three movies. I, I've gotten, you know, proficient enough at throwing cards that I will cut a banana in half. I can cut a banana in half with a throwing card.

• 40:58Josh Horowitz?

  That's great.

• 40:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. And like, people are like, oh gosh, do you, do you do that wherever you go? And I'm like, no, I don't just carry around a deck of cards and a fucking banana, but if you got one, let's go!

• 41:07Josh Horowitz?

  Bring it up, bring it up. We should mention the animated film, the DreamWorks animated film, which is for God and Island, which I've heard amazing things about.

• 41:15Speaker 00

  Yes, genuinely great. Okay, so this is a DreamWorks film, original DreamWorks film. And this is the first big budget studio film that focuses on Filipino culture that is awesome in its own right. And it's just unique, man. Okay, so just a quick pitch of what it is. It's, it's these two girls, they've known each other since childhood, best friends, and we catch them on their final night together in the Philippines before one of them is going to the United States to go to college. So it's this kind of bittersweet night and during that night, they get sucked into this portal and it transports them to this kind of mythological island. And it's like full of like these creatures from Filipino lore and it's very exciting at first. But they realize the only way off the island is if they give up their memories.

• 42:00Speaker 00

  But if they give up their memories, they might forget each other. So it's touching, man. This is like, this is Eternal Sunshine, the animated movie. It is beautiful, it is laugh out loud funny. The directors, they did, um, did you see Puss in Boots the last week?

• 42:15Josh Horowitz?

  Yes, people, I have been, and the great film.

• 42:16Speaker 00

  I think that was nominated for Best Picture, right?

• 42:18Josh Horowitz?

  It was, I think, yeah.

• 42:18Speaker 00

  Fuck, and you know why?

• 42:21Speaker 00

  Cats. The cat is the hero.

• 42:23Josh Horowitz?

  All right.

• 42:23Speaker 00

  I just put that together in a moment, holy shit. Look at you, two for two. Cast the hero, you're up for fucking Academy Award. Let's go, cats!

• 42:34Speaker 00

  Anyway, this movie is incredible. And what's so cool about animation too is that, you know, they put, they've been working on this movie for like five or six years and

• 42:44Josh Horowitz?

  You did ninety minutes in a studio.

• 42:46Speaker 00

  A little more than that, like, you know, but realistically, I went in probably to do like eight to ten voice records. And so I can, I feel like because of that, I'm such a small part of this, this giant process that like, when I see the final product, I'm like, this is what you guys have been doing? Like, I'm so proud just to be a part of it. I'm like, I get to be in.

• 43:09Josh Horowitz?

  Totally, totally. How's the directing career? Because obviously, two for two, you made two great films. Sadly, the pandemic swallowed up the first one, The Rental.

• 43:17Speaker 00

  I have a little update on that though.

• 43:19Josh Horowitz?

  What do you got?

• 43:20Speaker 00

  So my first movie, The Rental, like you said, it came out during like peak pandemic.

• 43:25Josh Horowitz?

  Like, doesn't get more peak.

• 43:27Speaker 00

  But this one was also with IFC. And so IFC made the smart decision. They were like, hey, people can't, you know, leave their house, go to the theater, but what we can do is, let's have a premiere at the drive-in.

• 43:38Josh Horowitz?

  I remember.

• 43:39Speaker 00

  And it was the first ever drive-in premiere. And it actually spawned a lot of other movies to kind of follow suit and like, give people some normalcy during this time where you're just stuck at home. So anyway, we were on a bunch of drive-in screens. But for me, gosh, when I'm making a movie, I'm such a perfectionist psycho, especially as a director, you know, when it comes to the, the color grade and the sound mix and all this stuff. And as fun as it was to have the movie on these drive-in screens, I wouldn't have it any other way, when you're at a drive-in screen, there's all this ambient light, it's like very dark inherently, and it looks like shit. And then the, the sound is coming through your car speakers. It sounds like shit. So

• 44:17Josh Horowitz?

  Just as Christopher Nolan intended.

• 44:19Speaker 00

  Exactly. But we, we just did a screening, we had our premiere of Idiots at this theater in LA called Vidiotz.

• 44:27Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 44:27Speaker 00

  And this is a fucking awesome theater. And we talked to Vidiotz about doing the first ever in theater screening for The Rental, and that'll be in October, mid-October.

• 44:36Josh Horowitz?

  Love it.

• 44:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, we got the whole cast returning.

• 44:38Josh Horowitz?

  That's amazing. Yeah, great news. Here's a random one. Do you have a favorite Six Underground memory?

• 44:43Speaker 00

  Oh my god.

• 44:45Josh Horowitz?

  You've been directed by Michael Bay. Not only that, you get to scream woo as you're driving your lime green Alfa Romeo through the streets of Florence.

• 44:55Speaker 00

  That's all true. Okay, craziest memory from that is, so I play a stunt driver in that movie. And I did two days of stunt driving training. And I, you know, it was really fun. But I was like, they're never gonna let me drive this car for real on the streets of Florence with, you know, Ryan Reynolds and Melanie Laurent and Andrea Arhona in the car. And I was actually driving most of the time. And so I remember there was a day where I was doing donuts next to a world famous museum in Florence. And I was like, if I hit something, I'm literally destroying history. So in hindsight, that was me being an idiot.

• 45:35Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 45:35Speaker 00

  That was, that was my choice. I was like, I want this to look real. And it's like, oh, you watch the movie, this could have, we could have done this in the studio. Like, you didn't need me like nearly just taking down this place in Florence.

• 45:46Josh Horowitz?

  As a horror guy, where are you at on, we've had a good year in horror. I mean, Obsession and Backrooms alone

• 45:51Speaker 00

  Love, love.

• 45:52Josh Horowitz?

  Have like, been phenomenal.

• 45:53Speaker 00

  It's incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, what else to say? Like, I mean, what I will say about Backrooms is like, I loved it, but I was like surprised that I was like, oh, this is like a weird, heady movie. But I say that in the best way possible where I'm like, oh, people are, are going out for this weird movie. Like, that's awesome. And then like Obsession, like, I, I, I fucking get it, man. This is just like a really sticky concept. It's so fun. And the thing that surprised me about it the most is, maybe this is obvious to say now, but like, I didn't expect the element of like, her true self still poking through. And that gave it this extra level of depth that I'm like, this is

• 46:37Speaker 00

  so smart. It's like such, still such a simple, beautiful concept, but they have these like amazing layers. And obviously, the execution and the acting is incredible.

• 46:45Josh Horowitz?

  Is that, is, what's the next directing? Is it gonna be horror? Like, do you know the next one?

• 46:48Speaker 00

  I think it will be. Whenever that is, I, if I'm being honest, like, when I'm directing something, it just, you know, first off, it just takes years of your life focusing on one project. And it just takes everything out of me. And so I've kind of been able to scratch that itch recently by being a producer, especially on these smaller movies that I'm acting in. And so as a producer, I still get to be part of every step of the process. But then I can like, kind of jump from project to project a little easier. And so, yes, when I do direct again, I am craving going back to the horror genre, but I just don't know when that's gonna be.

• 47:22Josh Horowitz?

  Last TV show you and or Alison binged?

• 47:26Speaker 00

  Oh, um, what did we love recently? I mean, we loved Widows Bay. They are toeing the line so beautifully with comedy and horror. That is a nearly impossible thing to pull off.

• 47:37Josh Horowitz?

  Totally.

• 47:38Speaker 00

  And, gosh, it's, it's just so well done. What else? Pluribus was awesome. That was one where it was like, the second it went up, we were in. What have you been watching?

• 47:53Josh Horowitz?

  Here's one to look out for as a horror guy. I don't know where you are on Stephen King. I don't know if I'm allowed to say this.

• 47:57Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 47:58Josh Horowitz?

  Mike Flanagan has a new interpretation of Carrie.

• 48:00Speaker 00

  I've heard about this. I'm excited.

• 48:02Josh Horowitz?

  It's good.

• 48:02Speaker 00

  Love that movie.

• 48:03Josh Horowitz?

  It's good.

• 48:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay.

• 48:04Josh Horowitz?

  And I mean, I loved the Palma then, so it's a high bar, but this is a different take.

• 48:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:08Josh Horowitz?

  Here's a new thing I've been trying. Give me your, give me your PPA, your peak professional achievement.

• 48:14Speaker 00

  PPA? Other than Sexiest Cat Dad of 2025?

• 48:17Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 48:18Speaker 00

  Anointed by People Magazine?

• 48:19Josh Horowitz?

  It could be that.

• 48:20Speaker 00

  Peak?

• 48:21Josh Horowitz?

  It could be, it could be a moment on set. It could be a phone call you got. It could be

• 48:25Speaker 00

  Oh, oh.

• 48:26Josh Horowitz?

  Look back at something.

• 48:26Speaker 00

  Well, okay, you kind of teed me up a little bit. So Stephen King, when going back to my, the, the first movie I directed, The Rental, which is a horror film, Stephen, Stephen King gave a, tweeted a very, very nice thing about the movie. And it's like, hey, this is the horror king. You can't ask for better praise than that. And then when my wife and I made the movie together, another horror movie, Stephen King's there again. We love him. Two for two.

• 48:55Josh Horowitz?

  That's amazing.

• 48:55Speaker 00

  I know, I know. That's a big one. Gosh, I mean, I, I, I'll say Together as well. Just this movie that I made with my wife where, gosh, this was, this was a sprint, man. This is, this is one where we shot this insane body horror in 21 days for nearly no money. We put our blood, sweat and tears into this thing. And

• 49:23Josh Horowitz?

  Your relationship on the line. It could have all fallen apart.

• 49:25Speaker 00

  Truly, truly. And

• 49:26Josh Horowitz?

  And yet, Tilly brought you together forever.

• 49:28Speaker 00

  Okay, Tilly, just on the tip of the tongue.

• 49:34Speaker 00

  Check out the movie, you'll understand what he's saying by the very end. But this was just one like true labor love. And it's very rare that these tiny movies like cut through. And we just left it all out on the table, just kind of from start to finish, through the press tour. I've never done that much press in my entire life.

• 49:51Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, you were my favorite interview at Comic Con last year. That was

• 49:53Speaker 00

  That was chaotic, wasn't it?

• 49:54Josh Horowitz?

  That was great, in the best possible way.

• 49:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, we were probably very loopy at that point. What were we talking about?

• 50:01Josh Horowitz?

  I don't know, but

• 50:02Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah.

• 50:03Josh Horowitz?

  So that's the high. What's the low? Lowest career moment?

• 50:05Speaker 00

  Oh geez.

• 50:07Josh Horowitz?

  Walking out of an audition?

• 50:09Speaker 00

  Oh, oh.

• 50:09Josh Horowitz?

  Getting cut out of something?

• 50:10Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 50:12Josh Horowitz?

  A moment on set where you felt like an idiot?

• 50:14Speaker 00

  I can, I can, let's see, early on, I just remember, this is really before I did maybe anything. But I got to that point where I was like, I, I wasn't booking stuff, I wasn't having fun, I was putting so much pressure on myself. And I remember telling my brother how I was feeling. And he was like, you should talk with Catherine Keener, who I just worked with. I was like, I'm not gonna fucking burden Catherine Keener with my problems. And he's like, no, she's the greatest. Like, here's her email, reach out. So I was like, okay, so I gave Catherine Keener my sob story. And not only did she write back, but she wrote this like beautiful response where the main takeaway was like, hey, if you're not having fun, why are you doing it?

• 50:58Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 50:58Speaker 00

  And that really stuck with me. And it just allowed me just to kind of open up and be more free. And just stop beating myself up. I used to be so self-critical, and I still am to a degree. But like, I, I know when I leave it all out on the table and I've done everything I possibly can.

• 51:15Josh Horowitz?

  It's funny you say that. I was listening to our first podcast conversation.

• 51:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:18Josh Horowitz?

  Ten years ago, you said, I'm real, this year, I'm gonna really try to be

• 51:21Speaker 00

  There we go.

• 51:21Josh Horowitz?

  as critical of myself.

• 51:22Speaker 00

  How about that?

• 51:22Josh Horowitz?

  So how'd you do? How, ten years in, how are you doing?

• 51:24Speaker 00

  I think good.

• 51:24Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah?

• 51:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And part of that, if I'm being totally honest, part of that is because, since I've started producing these movies that I'm acting in, I get to be part of the edit, where I can help shape my performance as well as like oversee the whole thing. But I can get in there and be like, guys, I know I have a better take than that. Like, let's look through it all. And so I could be there for that and, and know that like, I just, I just know how many times like growing, like when I was first starting, you see the final project and you're like, how did they choose that take? That's terrible. I'm a terrible actor. So it's nice just to have a little more control.

• 52:03Josh Horowitz?

  We're gonna end with a profoundly random question. We covered this one. We don't even need to do it, but I'll just say it out loud. Nonetheless, dogs or cats?

• 52:09Speaker 00

  Oh my god, Josh. Next question.

• 52:12Josh Horowitz?

  Wow.

• 52:15Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, what do you collect?

• 52:17Speaker 00

  What do I collect? I'm not proud of this. Jean jackets. That's weird, right?

• 52:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 52:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:25Josh Horowitz?

  You're looking for validation of your weirdness.

• 52:26Speaker 00

  I like, I like vintage clothing. And like, I'm always on the search for the perfect jean jacket. And my wife does not, she's not happy about it. And I, I wanna reveal to her right now, I got one yesterday. And it's basically the exact same as one that I already have, but it has a cool little zipper.

• 52:44Josh Horowitz?

  And yet she wouldn't call you an idiot for that.

• 52:45Speaker 00

  She might.

• 52:46Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Favorite video game of all time?

• 52:49Speaker 00

  Oh, gosh. It's gonna be an obvious one. Let's go with, let's go with Mario 64.

• 52:55Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 52:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:56Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, Dakota Johnson asked me, I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt?

• 53:02Speaker 00

  Oh, gosh. This is a thinker, Josh.

• 53:04Josh Horowitz?

  I know.

• 53:05Speaker 00

  Does this kind of go 50/50 in terms of what people want? Oh, it goes one way hard. Uh, let's go with...

• 53:12Josh Horowitz?

  But don't try to outthink it.

• 53:13Speaker 00

  Let's go with... Let's go with butt. It's like one in there. I think I can clench and kill that thing.

• 53:21Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, you are correct.

• 53:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:23Josh Horowitz?

  That's correct answer. Yeah, yeah. You passed.

• 53:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:26Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, what's the wallpaper on your phone?

• 53:28Speaker 00

  Uh, I don't have it with me, but it's, um, it's my wife kind of on her side resting with my cat Otis. His face sleeping on her face. It's so fucking cute.

• 53:38Josh Horowitz?

  That's great. Last actor you were mistaken for?

• 53:42Speaker 00

  Oh, um, let's go with Efron, maybe?

• 53:48Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah?

• 53:48Speaker 00

  But it's been a while.

• 53:49Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 53:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:50Josh Horowitz?

  And you're walking around shirtless. You're like, oh, that's gotta be Efron again.

• 53:53Speaker 00

  No, if I, Efron shirtless is more impressive than me. Like I said, I'm going to the gym, but we ain't Efron strong.

• 54:00Josh Horowitz?

  Worst note a director has ever given you?

• 54:03Speaker 00

  Um, the worst notes? This isn't the worst, but it's the most memorable.

• 54:08Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 54:08Speaker 00

  So on the movie Neighbors, I have this sex scene and, um, we do the first take and the director, Nick Stoller, pokes his head in the room and he says, "Uh, Dave, more Jack Rabbit." And I was like, "I got you." So in the next take, my pale little ass is moving as fast as you could possibly imagine.

• 54:31Josh Horowitz?

  I'd say I'll go back and see it again, but I will now never watch it again.

• 54:33Speaker 00

  You don't, don't lie to us, Josh.

• 54:37Josh Horowitz?

  Um, in the spirit of Happy Sad Confused, an actor who makes you happy?

• 54:41Speaker 00

  Oh, oh, okay. Who do we got? Um, let's go with Olivia Colman.

• 54:45Josh Horowitz?

  Great.

• 54:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:47Josh Horowitz?

  Movie that makes you sad?

• 54:48Speaker 00

  A movie that makes me sad?

• 54:51Speaker 00

  First thing I think of is my favorite movie of all time, Stand By Me.

• 54:54Josh Horowitz?

  Great.

• 54:55Speaker 00

  It's got everything.

• 54:55Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, that works. And a food that makes you confused?

• 54:58Speaker 00

  Oh, uh, I'm only confused because I hate it and everyone else loves it.

• 55:02Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 55:02Speaker 00

  Mayonnaise.

• 55:03Josh Horowitz?

  I'm with you.

• 55:04Speaker 00

  Yeah? How do you feel about aioli?

• 55:06Josh Horowitz?

  Not into it.

• 55:07Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 55:07Josh Horowitz?

  You?

• 55:08Speaker 00

  Let's, last question. Sour cream?

• 55:10Josh Horowitz?

  Hate it!

• 55:11Speaker 00

  Fucking A. Now, Josh, give me a little slap on the face. Hit me with it. Hit me!

• 55:16Josh Horowitz?

  Which side do you want that?

• 55:17Speaker 00

  Go, go. Ooh, feels good, right?

• 55:23Josh Horowitz?

  There's the fucked up conversation and slap with the one and only, it's Dave Franco, everybody.

• 55:28Speaker 00

  We're idiots, baby, and we're promoting idiots. August 28th.

• 55:33Josh Horowitz?

  Thanks, dude.

• 55:35Speaker 03

  And so ends another edition of Happy Sad Confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley and I definitely wasn't supposed to do this by Josh.

• 55:53Speaker 03

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• 56:37Speaker 03

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