Gal Gadot

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  He's like, so I need to talk to you about Giselle's death. And I'm like, she's deaf?

• 0:07Speaker 00

  And he goes. No, no, no, her deaf. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I heard you. She lost her hearing? And he goes. No, die, die, we're killing her. She's not in the film. I was like, oh, okay. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins.

• 0:34Josh Horowitz?

  Hey guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy Sad Confused. Today on the show, we've got a first time guest, a major movie star is in the house. It's Goll Godot, talking about her new film, The Runner, but so much more. Wonder Woman, Fast and the Furious, lots of great stuff in this one. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast. Remember, hit that subscribe button on YouTube, on Spotify, on whatever podcast platform you're enjoying this episode on, you know what to do. And if you like what I do, if you like the conversations that we deliver over here on Happy Sad Confused, give our Patreon a try. Patreon.com/happysadconfused, early access, discount codes to our live events, autographed merch, all sorts of fun stuff. Patreon.com/happysadconfused. We have a live event actually coming up in October, October 13th with Joe Manganiello.

• 1:19Josh Horowitz?

  That's at 92nd Street Y in New York City. Other stuff is cooking, definitely in New York, maybe in LA, maybe other places. So keep your eyes and ears peeled on the Patreon, on my social media, more to come on all of that. Today's main event, as I said, it's a first time guest and a long overdue, Goll Godot, one of the most charismatic human beings I've ever had the pleasure of talking to, meeting in the past. She, of course, came to the fore first in the Fast and the Furious movies, but then Wonder Woman just changed everything. And we talk about it in all, all in this conversation. Her journey to becoming an actor, it was not in the cards early on, her early audition stories, how she almost was Furiosa in Mad Max Fury Road, being cast in Fast and the

• 2:00Josh Horowitz?

  Furious, being cast in BVS, her, her fascinating journey as Wonder Woman and how it all came to an end, very frank conversation there. And what's to come? What's on the docket going forward? Really cool stuff with her. So happy this happened. I know you guys are gonna dig this. Without any further ado, please enjoy me and Goll Gadot. Goll, it's good to see you. We're doing the podcast.

• 2:25Speaker 00

  It's lovely to see you. Oh my God. I'm very excited.

• 2:28Josh Horowitz?

  I'm very excited. Thank you for taking the time.

• 2:30Speaker 00

  Finally, though, finally.

• 2:32Josh Horowitz?

  You've been on the list.

• 2:32Speaker 00

  It's long due.

• 2:33Josh Horowitz?

  You've been on the list for a long time. I'm sad it's not in person, but this is just laying the groundwork for the future. Okay?

• 2:38Speaker 00

  Exactly, exactly. How've you been?

• 2:41Josh Horowitz?

  I've been really good. You? You're doing well?

• 2:43Speaker 00

  I'm good. Are you in New York or in LA?

• 2:45Josh Horowitz?

  I'm in New York. Welcome to my New York apartment. Welcome to Midtown Manhattan. My dog is hiding in the other room.

• 2:50Speaker 00

  Books in the background and everything.

• 2:52Josh Horowitz?

  I got my little ET doll over here. There you go.

• 2:55Speaker 00

  I love it.

• 2:56Josh Horowitz?

  So I appreciate you. Congratulations on the film. You're taking the time out from one of these crazy junket days. Did you ever imagine that there would be 300 different ways of asking about your running technique?

• 3:08Speaker 00

  No, it's quite amazing. It always amazes me. So many. And I have the type of mom, I grew up, my mom, she would call me, I don't know how many times a day to ask the same question, also in different variations.

• 3:23Josh Horowitz?

  So you've been prepping your entire life for junket?

• 3:25Speaker 00

  I'm still shocked by the way people find, you know, it's amazing. But listen, granted, the movie is, I've been running the entire film. It's a thing. It's not normal.

• 3:37Josh Horowitz?

  We'll get to that. We'll get to that. But before we get to that, though, because this is important, I, look, I'm a fan of, there's some gifs, there's some memes that I just, I'm obsessed with. Let's just get this out of the way. Because you, you know this one. You know the dancing on the set of BVS.

• 3:51Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 3:52Josh Horowitz?

  So I, I've never heard the context behind this. Like, is this just Goll in between takes? Just letting loose?

• 3:59Speaker 00

  Yes. That's, that's the real me.

• 4:05Speaker 00

  Not one of my best moves, but like me when I'm feeling happy.

• 4:11Josh Horowitz?

  Because you've got the chops. You've got the dancing chops. So that's not your go to move. That's just you.

• 4:16Speaker 00

  That's not my go to move, no. But it's a move.

• 4:20Josh Horowitz?

  Have you ever sent a gif or a meme of yourself to a friend or a loved one?

• 4:27Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 4:28Josh Horowitz?

  What, what, can you give me an example?

• 4:30Speaker 00

  It's the Wonder Woman after the first time she appears on Batman Superman, when she takes off the, that one.

• 4:37Josh Horowitz?

  And what's the occasion? What's the, what's the?

• 4:39Speaker 00

  It's like different moments when people in my life had done something incredible and they made it. I'm like.

• 4:46Josh Horowitz?

  That's, you know, you've done something good.

• 4:48Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 4:50Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing, amazing. All right, let's read the good word of this film. Congratulations. The film is The Runner. This is like a lean, mean, efficient, kind of like, you know, it's in the title.

• 5:01Speaker 00

  Go, go, go.

• 5:02Josh Horowitz?

  Get what you, what the title promises, don't you? When you, when you sign on to something like this, like, I would think there are two, two ways to look at it, like, oh, in some ways, this is gonna be like, I don't, not a lot of dialogue, it's a lot of physicality, I don't have to worry about a lot of dialogue. On the other hand, wait, oh shit, I'm gonna be running for 85% of this movie. Did both things kind of occur to you as you took this one on?

• 5:25Speaker 00

  It wasn't the first things, the, the first thoughts that I had. For me, I read the script for the first time and it was a very easy read. And what drew me in was the, the, the, the ending. The fact that, you know, that I could not tell how it's gonna end and the twists and turns just blew my mind. I was like, ah, so good. And I immediately knew that that's, that would be like the type of film that I'll, I'll enjoy watching. Because usually you go, you watch a film and halfway in, you already know how it's gonna end, but not with this one, hopefully.

• 6:04Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, the premise of this, basically, like I said, the kind of title tells it all. You are literally like running for, I would say, 85% of this movie. It's like, it's like, it's like speed if you were the bus. You can't go under.

• 6:17Speaker 00

  It's like a go, go, go from the get go. I play Maya, who's a single mom, very, very dedicated, single mom, A-type lawyer, who goes on a morning run after she drops off her, her son, drops off her son at school and all of the sudden she gets a phone call from an unknown caller who tells her he has her son. And if she wants to save her son, she needs to do something for him. Not allowed to talk to anybody, not allowed to call the police, get on a cab, go, she has to get from A to B.

• 6:54Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 6:55Speaker 00

  By running and to do what he tells her to do. And that's like.

• 7:00Josh Horowitz?

  Essentially in real time, like you're, and it's, it's really a good way to connect the audience, because you automatically put yourself in that situation. And as you said, that, yeah, you've got a demented Damian Lewis on the other line. If I were you, I would resent him not only for the things he's saying, but also, he's got the easiest job in the business for this movie. All he's just, he's just being, come on.

• 7:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, menace, voice, that, you know. Yeah, but he's incredible.

• 7:25Josh Horowitz?

  No, he's great. How does it sit with you, I mean, at this point in your career, where like, this was obviously, and we'll get to kind of the career arc, but like, this was not the plan. Like, like being an actor, let alone being like this, like action star. Like, what do friends and family that you grew up with make of you as this kind of like action star icon in film?

• 7:46Speaker 00

  Well, I don't know. You'll have to ask them. I'm bad with these type of questions when, when I have to say something for, you know, other people. I think that, in a way, for me, I always, as a kid, I always loved to be the center of attention and blah, blah, blah. And I was a dancer and I did performing arts for so many years. I just, I wasn't aware that there's even a avenue for me to become an actor, because I come from a family who's very like proper, you finish your school, you need to get a degree, get a real career, blah, blah, blah. I was on my path on becoming Maya, becoming a lawyer and like political science.

• 8:33Speaker 00

  But I think that the universe is, is, has its ways of showing you the right direction. And I'm a big believer that if you're a positive, open-minded person who is proactive, you will always land where you need to be.

• 8:51Josh Horowitz?

  Did it take you a while to kind of like say the words like, I'm an actor? Like, this is, yeah?

• 8:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. I remember only after Wonder Woman was when I was, would like feel like I've earned the title.

• 9:07Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, that's interesting, because you, you, you had a body of work. You'd done a bunch of Fast movies and some other films and TV by then.

• 9:13Speaker 00

  Only after Wonder Woman, I was like, okay, I, I, I'm an actress now, you know?

• 9:20Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, so we'll, we'll get to that. Let's backtrack, I want to backtrack a little more on, on this one, because again, I know you've been talking a lot about the running, but like, I mean, look, we all have different ways of, of working out a bit. Are you a runner in real life? Is this like one of your go-tos?

• 9:32Speaker 00

  Oh my God, no. If there's one thing I hate while I work out, is running.

• 9:36Josh Horowitz?

  That's the one you dread.

• 9:37Speaker 00

  So like, it's, it was shocking to me that I said yes to this role, but I'm very happy I did.

• 9:45Josh Horowitz?

  It's funny, because like, the thing I dread most, I am a runner, I run at Central Park nearby where I live, and like, the thing I dread most is running into a human being that I know, like, running. And this is like, look, you're, you're Goll Gadot, you look pretty good in all contexts, generally speaking, I would say, so, well.

• 10:00Speaker 00

  Please tweet, thank you.

• 10:01Josh Horowitz?

  But, but still, like, this is not what people want to see themselves as. Like, did you have to kind of think of like, how glamorous or non-glamorous you want to look like? Because you're, you are exerting yourself throughout this movie.

• 10:15Speaker 00

  No, I was, many days I was wearing no makeup at all. Because we wanted, the way that Kevin filmed everything and all of our discussions prior filming the movie were that we want to keep this movie, because he comes from, yes, he did the Last King of Scotland, but also he's done mostly documentaries.

• 10:38Josh Horowitz?

  Right, yeah.

• 10:38Speaker 00

  Documentaries. And in a way, we felt that that would be, you know, where, that would be a very, very great way to leverage his skills and film this movie like a documentary almost.

• 10:52Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 10:53Speaker 00

  So I wanted her to feel raw and we wanted her to feel, you know, like, not perfect in any shape or form. So I would have, you know, no makeup or bad makeup and just, you know, do that. Because I think that's also my job as an actress. I'm not supposed to look good. I'm supposed to be truthful to the character that I play.

• 11:20Josh Horowitz?

  Do you, what's, what's, what's on your playlist when you, if you do run or when you're working out? Like, what's the go to? What are the artists that you're listening to?

• 11:28Speaker 00

  Prodigy, if I really need to like

• 11:31Josh Horowitz?

  That's the

• 11:31Speaker 00

  Get in it.

• 11:33Josh Horowitz?

  Mm hmm.

• 11:34Speaker 00

  Infected mushroom.

• 11:36Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 11:36Speaker 00

  If I really, yeah. But if I do like, it's interesting, that's when I run, right? When I run, I really need something to get me going. When I do like weight work, it would be a whole different, like beautiful, sweet, pop, jazzy, whatever. I don't need that.

• 11:56Josh Horowitz?

  What about

• 11:56Speaker 00

  When I run it, I needed more, snack my beach up.

• 12:00Josh Horowitz?

  Well, where does Duran Duran fit in? Because it seemed like, how big a highlight of this past year was seeing Duran Duran in person?

• 12:09Speaker 00

  You know something? I love them so much and Patty Jenkins is friends with them. And she invited my husband and I to join them for the concert. And it was amazing. And I grew up listening to Duran Duran because my dad like wouldn't stop listening to them, to the Pashmod and to the Pacha Boys. So it was like, it was a full circle. I kept on FaceTiming my dad from Israel, the whole show, the whole concert, yeah.

• 12:44Josh Horowitz?

  Is it Hungry, like The Wolf, Rio? What are you singing along to? What's your go to?

• 12:49Speaker 00

  Everything. They're so good. It's so amazing how many hits they have. But Rio, you know, Rio is iconic.

• 12:58Josh Horowitz?

  Look, you've got a lot of young ones in the house. Do they drag you to concerts? Do you drag them to concerts? Who's tipping off who to musical taste now?

• 13:06Speaker 00

  It varies, it varies. Uh, we go to a lot of concerts together. Uh, I feel like now they drag us more than we drag them just because we're so tired. We're the cliche of tired parents right now. I'm in this phase.

• 13:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 13:24Speaker 00

  Um, but I love going on concerts.

• 13:28Josh Horowitz?

  Have they, have they exposed you to anything that they are obsessed with? That you kind of like, okay, I get it.

• 13:33Speaker 00

  Um, we've been to Olivia Rodrigo. We've been to Sabrina Carpenter. We've been to all the immediate suspects. Yes, exactly. So I don't feel like they found a niche, cool, new, up and coming artist yet.

• 13:49Josh Horowitz?

  Wow, you're saying your kid's musical taste is basic.

• 13:52Speaker 00

  My daughter wants me to take her now to Phoebe Waller-Bridge.

• 13:56Josh Horowitz?

  Oh.

• 13:57Speaker 00

  How amazing is that? Good taste.

• 13:59Josh Horowitz?

  Phoebe Bridgers, is that's what you mean?

• 14:01Speaker 00

  What did I say?

• 14:02Josh Horowitz?

  Phoebe Waller-Bridge, who's amazing too. Fleabag, like the writer, that's amazing. But you're talking Phoebe Bridgers, I think, right?

• 14:08Speaker 00

  Wait a second.

• 14:13Speaker 00

  Who am I talking about? Katie?

• 14:14Josh Horowitz?

  Phoebe Bridgers. Yeah, we got it. We did it. You've been dunking all day. We're

• 14:19Speaker 00

  I thought about Phoebe Waller-Bridge. Now I'm realizing that it's

• 14:24Josh Horowitz?

  I didn't know the woman that made Fleabag goes concerts.

• 14:27Speaker 00

  Now I know, I'll know, I won't be surprised when I get to the concert.

• 14:32Speaker 00

  And I was telling my daughter.

• 14:36Josh Horowitz?

  It's like a spoken word performance?

• 14:38Speaker 00

  I went to her show in London five years ago. She's like, she wasn't there five years ago? Never mind. Anyway, good to know.

• 14:47Josh Horowitz?

  We got this.

• 14:48Speaker 00

  This is like classic me.

• 14:50Josh Horowitz?

  It's all good, it's all good.

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• 16:45Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, so let's come back around. We talked about early on, yes, acting was not the plan. When did, what was like the first big audition? Was it, the Laura is Quantum of Solace was the big one? Was that the first big one?

• 16:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. That was the first ever audition I did for anything.

• 17:02Josh Horowitz?

  That's a big one to start with. Okay.

• 17:04Speaker 00

  I didn't even want to go.

• 17:05Josh Horowitz?

  You didn't want to go?

• 17:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, because I wasn't an actress. I was like, I was, I had to go to study in college and, you know, it conflicted with my schedule in college and I was not planning on going and I was pushed to go. And I was like, okay, I go out of, I'll go out of respect to the, to the casting director. And I think that what helped me, so I told, I was telling you about the universe has a way of showing you when you're positive and proactive and all of that. I think because I was a nice person, I was nice with the casting designer, casting designer, casting director.

• 17:49Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  She liked me and then she wanted to, you know, make it happen for me. Cause I walked in and I had this like lip gloss and she was like, oh my God, my, my lips are so chapped. Can I use some? I was like, here, keep it. Cause I was like, I'm not gonna share figures with, keep it. It was a very good one. Um, and then we were kind of like super warm and friendly with each other. And she really, really, really helped me with the script. She said, I'm here for three hours, go outside, learn the lines and I'll help you. And that's what we did.

• 18:30Speaker 00

  And she, she spent a long time in the room with me trying to help me get the best audition I can.

• 18:37Josh Horowitz?

  That says a lot.

• 18:38Speaker 00

  And obviously I didn't get the part, which also how rude of me to even think I would ever be able to get the part, that being my first audition. But she was the one to cast me for Fast and Furious. That was the first film I've ever done.

• 18:53Josh Horowitz?

  So that one leads to Fast and is that, that's Justin Lin, I think directed the, what the first one you were in, correct?

• 18:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:59Josh Horowitz?

  Do you remember, I mean, those Fast movies are insane. Like even for people that have been making movies for 30 years, those are unusual sets. They're the way they're made, everything about

• 19:07Speaker 00

  It's like the human superhero.

• 19:09Josh Horowitz?

  Exactly.

• 19:10Speaker 00

  Type of film.

• 19:11Josh Horowitz?

  Do you remember the first couple of days on set? Like the vibe, the like, were you overwhelmed in over your head, excited? What were you feeling?

• 19:19Speaker 00

  I was, I was all of the above. I was excited and terrified at the same time. I was overwhelmed by the like, you know, the trailer and crafty. And I was like, you know, what did I, I knew nothing about this world. And all of a sudden I'm here and I'm in LA and I'm filming this movie. And it was amazing, but it was also, I got very lucky because everyone were so warm and sweet and there was this sense of, you know, family.

• 19:57Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 19:57Speaker 00

  Um, when I was there, so it was really, it was a good, it was a good, you know, landing into this world.

• 20:08Josh Horowitz?

  How did they deliver the news to you eventually that Gisele was going to seemingly, seemingly, I'll say now die?

• 20:14Speaker 00

  Oh my God. So I was in Israel and I get a phone call from Justin Lin. And the line is like a little bit like breaking, breaking off on and off. And Justin is like, listen, we need to talk. There's something I need to share with you. Is now a good timing? I'm like, yeah, what's going on? And he's like, so I need to talk to you about Gisele's death. And I'm like, she's deaf?

• 20:45Speaker 00

  He goes. No, no, no, her deaf. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I heard you. She lost her hearing? And he goes. No, die, die, we're killing her. She's not in the film. I was like, oh, okay. Uh, yeah, that was the call.

• 21:07Josh Horowitz?

  That's crazy. Now, that's amazing.

• 21:11Josh Horowitz?

  When that that scene happened, was there, we never saw the body right at the time and clearly now we know she made it. Was there talk at the time like, we'll see down the line? Or did you at the time think she was gone for good?

• 21:24Speaker 00

  I was thinking she was gone for good, but then was the one to always tell me, did you see a body? Was there a funeral? Did you see a body?

• 21:37Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. So do we know how she made it out alive?

• 21:43Speaker 00

  Uh, no, we don't. But we don't. How can we know? We all, I, and the cameo I've done for the last film is like, just, we don't share any information.

• 21:57Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 21:58Speaker 00

  So you don't know yet. Maybe I know, but I can't say anything.

• 22:02Josh Horowitz?

  Do you know? Do you?

• 22:05Speaker 00

  I don't know what I know. I know in life that I don't know anything anymore.

• 22:11Josh Horowitz?

  Also, when you're dealing with Vin and the scripts change, look, do we actually think, do you, in your heart of hearts, do you think you're gonna do another Fast movie? Vin seems to think hopefully they're gonna do another one at the end of the year. What are you feeling, thinking at this point?

• 22:23Speaker 00

  Would love to. I think that this, uh, this became such a cultural event. Like wherever I travel in the world, people talk to me about Fast and Furious. It's amazing uh, how loved this franchise is. And for me, it's like a full circle. It's where I started, it's where it ends. I would love to.

• 22:45Josh Horowitz?

  Maybe she'll come back deaf this time, not dead, just deaf.

• 22:48Speaker 00

  Maybe.

• 22:51Josh Horowitz?

  I'm always fascinated by the what ifs. And there's one movie that I've talked to with a lot of actors, every seemingly, every great actor auditioned for this movie. And you seemingly came very close to being Furiosa in Mad Max Fury Road. I've talked to great actors like Fassbender and Jeremy Renner. They've all had very unique experiences auditioning.

• 23:09Speaker 00

  They all had, they all had the experience on Fury Road or on different ones?

• 23:14Josh Horowitz?

  No, auditioning specifically for Fury Road.

• 23:16Speaker 00

  Crazy, yeah.

• 23:17Josh Horowitz?

  This is what I hear. What was?

• 23:19Speaker 00

  I did my match with, um, Tom Hiddleston.

• 23:24Josh Horowitz?

  What?

• 23:24Speaker 00

  And we were in London with, uh, uh, Oliver? What's the name of the director? No.

• 23:33Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, and, um, George Miller.

• 23:35Speaker 00

  George Miller, sorry.

• 23:36Josh Horowitz?

  Yep.

• 23:37Speaker 00

  Uh, and we came to London, I came to London and I remember walking into this, uh, beautiful, uh, home in London, into this office and we stayed there for four hours. And I came with all layers. It was like a winter cold day in London and I came out in like, uh, you know, in like a tank top. It was so intensive, the work that we've done and how much we filmed. They were really like,

• 24:06Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 24:06Speaker 00

  was amazing.

• 24:07Josh Horowitz?

  Did you feel, I didn't know, I'm gonna see Hiddleston next week. I'm gonna ask him about this.

• 24:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, please do.

• 24:13Josh Horowitz?

  Do you like, did you feel in that moment, was there a moment where you thought you might have gotten that role?

• 24:19Speaker 00

  I, yeah, because I felt good about the work that we did.

• 24:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 24:24Speaker 00

  And Hiddleston is such an incredible, um, actor. By the way, I've never seen him since. But he, and I didn't know him back then. Like he was like a big theater actor in England. Uh, but he was so amazing and it felt really good. But George really knew, you know, he had a vision for what he wanted. And it's amazing. I didn't know Jeremy Renner was going through the whole process as well.

• 24:52Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, he was too. Fassbender had a very amusing audition story. Everybody went through it. That's fascinating. Um, so one thing that did lead to obviously the, you know, the role that changed everything was meeting Zack Snyder, which I think was at first for Man of Steel, right? That was a role that you talked, you talked about one of the roles in that one. And then he brings you back. And correct me if I'm wrong, when he brought you back for BVS, is it true you didn't know, you literally didn't know it was for Wonder Woman at the time?

• 25:20Speaker 00

  No. So I did an audition in, right around Fury Road.

• 25:26Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 25:27Speaker 00

  I got the no and I think that Fast just came out and I was deaf. And then I reached a point in my career that I had so many almost.

• 25:41Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 25:42Speaker 00

  But then I wasn't a big enough of a name or it didn't work out or they went a different direction. I was already a mother and my husband had all of his business in Israel and I told him, I'm not sure if I wanna continue chasing this. This was never my dream to be an actress and it's, and I, it's too hard. It's like, I can deal with, with, you know, challenges, but this is not up to me.

• 26:13Josh Horowitz?

  And maybe listening to the universe.

• 26:14Speaker 00

  All this work and I can't get anywhere. So it's, I wanna, maybe I'll go back to Israel. I'll finish my degree, whatever. And then my last audition before coming, going back to Israel, um, was for Warner Brothers for a secret, uh, audition with Zack Snyder.

• 26:33Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 26:34Speaker 00

  And again, I think because I was very, um, you know, uh, warm and myself and like asking question and, you know, interested in people, Zack and I really connected on the audition. And now I know that I did a scene of Uma Thurman from Pulp Fiction.

• 26:56Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, okay.

• 26:57Speaker 00

  Back then I didn't, I didn't even, uh, realize that. And then I did the audition. It went great, but I went back home. I didn't hear anything from them. And when they called to ask me to come and do the match with Ben for a callback, Zack called me and he was like, I don't know if you have this character in Israel, but did you ever hear about Wonder Woman? And I was like, dead alike. Yeah, yeah, I, uh, did. Yes. Okay. Great. So, uh, Wonder Woman. All right. And then, you know, I flew to LA to do the audition and good enough.

• 27:41Josh Horowitz?

  History. Do you remember the moment you, I mean, that's, you know, it's rare to know when you're having a moment in time that this is a moment that is changing your life. But I, I assume when you get that phone call or email or whatever, that's a moment you'll always remember when you got the role.

• 27:56Speaker 00

  Yes. I remember everything and I have the worst memory. But it's funny. I remember a lot from all the auditioning process and, and doing the, and they kept us. I think there was three of us, three women. They kept us completely, you know, separated from each other. So we don't, and there were three trailers and we each went out to do the audition and, you know, on our turns and we're not allowed to leave the trailer. It was like cuckoo. Uh, but it was back in the days where like, you have to sign all of this confidentiality and everything is secretive and the studio keeps everything tight and you're not allowed to say.

• 28:43Speaker 00

  I don't think we were even allowed to say that Ben was Batman. I, I don't remember anymore. But anyway, um, yes, the, the, the moment when, when I was told I got the part, I flew to New York. Uh, and I just landed and I opened my phone and I saw like million phone calls from my team. And I, by the way, it's been like six weeks since I auditioned for, for the part. So I was like, fuck them. They probably not even, you know, I already like put it at the back of the, that compartment. And then they told me.

• 29:22Speaker 00

  And then they told me and I was like shocked. I, I was still buckled and we were just, we just landed. And I opened the phone and then back in the days where you don't have wifi

• 29:35Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 29:35Speaker 00

  uh, while traveling. Um, and then they told me and I went like down on my, to my, you know, with my head to my knees. And I started like, ah, like that.

• 29:49Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 29:49Speaker 00

  And next to me was sitting a professor for physics, a physics professor that the entire flight, uh, was teaching me about black holes and all of those things. And he was like, I shared so much with you. Tell me what happened. And I'm like, I can't, I can't. You'll read about it soon. I wish I could.

• 30:11Josh Horowitz?

  You read Dead Line Hollywood. Do you check Variety? Just keep reading. Yeah, you'll see.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Instead of all of your science, whatever. But, um, yeah, it was amazing. And then I remembered how weird it was, cause I landed in New York, got to the hotel. And I was, had to fall asleep because I was shooting something the next day, early morning. And I was just in bed and I could not fall asleep and I could not believe I'm supposed to carry this news with me without being able to share it with, you know, anybody but my husband and parents. Um, yeah, it was amazing.

• 30:48Josh Horowitz?

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• 31:58Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, that first movie especially, such a miracle. Obviously, I know you got really close with Chris and especially Patty, Patty Jenkins. And like the way it resonated and what it meant to so many people for a thousand different reasons. I mean, to this day, you know, like I remember at the time, I'm sure you remember this, like so much was being put on that movie. Like if this movie fails, we're not going to see another female-led superhero movie ever, maybe, right? And then like, I feel like everything is so circular, right? Like the same conversation happened this past year, I feel like with Supergirl. Like, do you like, when you saw that kind of happen, like Supergirl came out and sadly it didn't like perform at the box office, did that like, I don't know, do you have like some kind of like interesting connection to that? And say like, I feel a connection to it.

• 32:42Speaker 00

  Interesting, because I always felt, and I think I can speak for Patty as well. We always felt while filming the movie, like we were the underdogs.

• 32:55Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 32:55Speaker 00

  That was not the film that the studio was to make it or break it. We were like the cheap superhero movie that got, I think, somewhere between 80 to 100 million budget. And go and do your thing while everybody else are going to focus on the other guy's film.

• 33:15Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 33:15Speaker 00

  So in a way, it's like a bummer to be the underdog, but in a way, Patty and I were like, all right, so we get to do what we want to do. What do we believe in? Let's talk about that. What do we want this movie to be? And we just let ourselves dream. Like we were talking about how we want this movie to be about love and humanity and unity and all the things that, you know, not about war. And we were allowed to dream and we kind of got away with it. Because everybody were so occupied with the other.

• 33:53Josh Horowitz?

  The boys over there.

• 33:55Speaker 00

  Exactly. So when it came out, and again, granted, what did I know back then? It was my first title movie. And I was, I didn't have the experience in these films. Like I remember we were on a jet and everybody were on our way to New York and everybody were placing bets how much we're going to open. And I remember someone said 60 and this guy say, no, I think like 75 max. And I was like, I think 120 million. And I remember everybody was looking at me, living in a.

• 34:37Speaker 00

  Now, I must tell you, I did not know what I was talking about. I didn't have the perspective, but I guess I.

• 34:46Josh Horowitz?

  You knew it.

• 34:46Speaker 00

  You know, I felt a little bit the trend.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  But yeah, we got, we got, you know, I think we were doing the right thing at the right time.

• 34:59Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Did you, was there like a specific moment where you had to let up, let go of that character? Where like you knew definitively whether it was like James Gunn or Peter Safran or someone told you like, sorry officially, we're going to go a different way going forward?

• 35:14Speaker 00

  No, they told me the opposite. They were like, we're going to develop it with you, the third, la, la, la. But I saw the way everybody else were handled.

• 35:25Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 35:25Speaker 00

  And I, you know.

• 35:27Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, the Henry situation was unfortunate. I was in, I was in the middle of, yeah, that.

• 35:31Speaker 00

  The Henry situation was not being handled elegantly, to say the least. Same with Patty was not handled elegantly. I feel like, you know, we're all adults and it's all good. And it's not even about them. They are there and they're there to do what they believe in and it's all good. I'm so grateful that I got the opportunity to wear these boots and to be, to have the character be so celebrated and be the vessel at that point of time. And I can only wish for whoever one it's going to be

• 36:12Speaker 00

  to really, you know, come pure to this journey. Because as much as it's like, we're talking about movies and superheroes and blah, blah, blah. But this character really means so much to so many of us. To really use it respectfully and bring all the love and light it can to this world. And then enjoy the ride. It was never mine. I was always just a vessel.

• 36:41Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, you're the custodian until the next, yeah. And you did a great job.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 36:45Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 36:45Speaker 00

  This is Hollywood.

• 36:46Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. There's another fame, fascinating kind of what if in recent years, another iconic role. Supposedly Margot Robbie wanted you to be Barbie before she decided, okay, I'll just do it myself. Did that ever get?

• 36:59Speaker 00

  How lucky are we that Margot did it herself?

• 37:03Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, she's iconic, of course.

• 37:05Speaker 00

  Brilliant.

• 37:07Josh Horowitz?

  But.

• 37:07Speaker 00

  Brilliant.

• 37:08Josh Horowitz?

  Was there a real conversation?

• 37:09Speaker 00

  Margot, Margot is 100 after, out of 100. I was, I was, I guess I was not aware at the time. I guess it's one of those, you know, she's busy. Maybe they thought about me and I was busy filming. I was filming like two projects back then. But I'm so humbled and, and, and, you know, grateful for Margot to think about me. And I'm so grateful that Margot did the role because it was incredible.

• 37:44Josh Horowitz?

  It was Barbie two. There's room for more Barbies.

• 37:47Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 37:49Josh Horowitz?

  Where are you at in terms of like criteria? Has your criteria changed for what you're looking for? Ambitious, ambition-wise as an actor, given your family life, given where you're at in the world right now? Like where's your head at in terms of what excites you from a career perspective?

• 38:06Speaker 00

  Look, it's all about the script and the filmmaker usually. I do think that, you know, for me to go and do, for example, another Wonder Woman, I'm not sure I would at this point in my life with four children and different schools and all of that to check out, all of them for such a long period of time. Doesn't, it doesn't work with my life anymore at this point. But, you know, I remember when I just started, I was talking to Kate Winslet. And I asked her, I, I back then had like one daughter and she had three. And I asked her, how do you do it? Like, how do you manage?

• 38:51Speaker 00

  And I think it's different dads and, and she was like, you just do. Or you don't, and that's fine too. And it's so true, you know, whatever needs to happen will happen.

• 39:04Speaker 00

  Whatever is not meant to be, won't happen.

• 39:08Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 39:08Speaker 00

  And, and that's it, you know, I don't, I'm not the type of person that like has a 10-year planner. Like, it's not me. I'm much more, I go with the flow. I act from my instincts and my intuitions.

• 39:29Speaker 00

  And so far, it led me where I am today, so I'm grateful for that.

• 39:34Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, you, you strike me as such a positive person always. And like any actor, like every actor has their ups and downs, right? There are the films you go in with the best of intentions and for whatever reason, whatever. You know, every film is a miracle to even get made, let alone be a success. But when things like, you know, Snow White didn't have the outcome everybody wanted it to. And in like another way, like, I mean, I'm sure people bring this up, but like the Imagine music video, which is something you go in with a huge, you know, that's the best of intentions and it's something.

• 40:02Speaker 00

  Right.

• 40:02Josh Horowitz?

  I don't know if there's a learning.

• 40:03Speaker 00

  The way to hell, full of good intentions, basically.

• 40:07Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. I mean, is there, did you take away a lesson from that experience? Is there a lesson to be learned from something like that?

• 40:15Speaker 00

  I don't think it's in our control. If I do something out of good intention, it's not up to me whether, how it's gonna be received.

• 40:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 40:24Speaker 00

  Um, and if I want, and then I need to decide, do I want to lead my life by what I think, how I think people will respond to me, or do I just wanna lead my life with how I feel and what I wanna bring out, and it's just in me, you know? And I go for the latter, you know? I'm not, it's like a movie. You make a movie and you only hope for the best, but you don't know if it's gonna work or not.

• 40:53Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 40:53Speaker 00

  You can only do your best. So that's what I do. I do my best and I hope for the best. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

• 41:03Josh Horowitz?

  I, but I, again, I, we don't need to belabor on that point, but like to go into something like that where you like, it's such a pure intention and then to see in real time, like on your feed.

• 41:11Speaker 00

  To be honest, the imagined thing, I think two things. I think that as far as the imagined goes, it was just, I was living the news in Israel.

• 41:22Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 41:22Speaker 00

  Even, even though I'm living in America, I was watching the news all, and Israel was like a few months ahead with COVID to America. So if it was to be released only in Israel, the timing would have been perfect. But remember at the beginning, we talked about doing the right thing at the right timing? I think it was doing the right thing, but absolutely not in the right timing. People were like, duh, what is she? So I understand. And also, you know, if I put myself out there, then if you don't wanna get burnt, stay out of the kitchen. And I'm in the kitchen. It's okay. I got burnt.

• 41:58Josh Horowitz?

  Fair enough, fair enough. Um, coming up, you shot something with the crazy bad man that is Doug Lyman. That guy's, that guy's quite a filmmaker. He's an interesting dude, I know.

• 42:06Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 42:07Josh Horowitz?

  From experience. How was that experience and?

• 42:10Speaker 00

  What do you mean, you know from experience?

• 42:12Josh Horowitz?

  Well, I, I've interviewed, I've known Doug for like 20 years. He, I did a book.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  I love Doug.

• 42:16Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. He's a very smart guy, obviously. Um, and this, I mean, a lot of people are a little scared because they've heard that AI is involved in this. Can you, can you, can you make me feel a little more comfortable that this is, I don't know, what is the AI component of this Bitcoin film that you did?

• 42:29Speaker 00

  I'll tell you, this was the longest contract I've ever worked on. I think it was six months for my lawyers to go through any scenario we could think about as far as the AI of a component of it.

• 42:44Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 42:45Speaker 00

  Uh, because I absolutely did not want the AI to have anything to do with my performance.

• 42:52Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 42:53Speaker 00

  And, and so we had to protect that. By the way, to an extent, that SAG had called my lawyers to ask for pointers to update the SAG contract to protect other actors, blah, blah, blah, knowing what we've been through.

• 43:13Josh Horowitz?

  Got it.

• 43:14Speaker 00

  So as far as the performances for me, you know, it's all me. What they did there, and again, I'm afraid of AI, but am I gonna be afraid and look away? No, I'm afraid and I'm playing with it and I'm learning it and I'm trying to educate myself with it because I think that the train had left the station, you know? It's one of those things. It's either you're gonna.

• 43:41Josh Horowitz?

  Work with it or, yeah, to, to ignore it?

• 43:43Speaker 00

  Or be out of the game completely.

• 43:46Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 43:46Speaker 00

  So I'm trying to make the best of it and protect whatever I can protect. But what, the AI component in this movie was for sets and for the lighting. We still had a very broad, uh, crew and a lot of people were working on this film. And essentially the, the experience that I had was as if we were doing theater.

• 44:13Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 44:14Speaker 00

  Because.

• 44:14Josh Horowitz?

  Stripped down, it's a little bit, yeah.

• 44:16Speaker 00

  Everything was stripped down and all that was left was the performance. Um, so it felt, it felt like a pure art, you know, form of, of, of, you know, creating a movie. Um, I haven't seen a single shot, you know, finished shot yet. But I do know that as an actress, I wait so much and, and there's like the legendary, I don't remember who said that, that you're being paid to wait.

• 44:48Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  As an actor, here we would film non-stop because we didn't have to wait for lighting. We would film on and on and on and on for 10 hours. So that was, um, that was amazing. You know, as actors, you're always hot, you know, you were, you don't cool off.

• 45:09Speaker 00

  But, uh, we'll see. It's crazy.

• 45:11Josh Horowitz?

  Fascinating.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  It's a crazy film, just like Bitcoin. And I think that the whole idea was to keep it crazy.

• 45:19Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 45:19Speaker 00

  Um, so yeah, I'm very curious to see how it all came about, comes about, come about.

• 45:25Josh Horowitz?

  So, so we end every Happy Sad Confused. This is your first time on the podcast with our profoundly random questions. You ready for these, Gal?

• 45:31Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 45:32Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 45:32Speaker 00

  I think so. I hope.

• 45:33Josh Horowitz?

  Well, you'll be fine. Dogs or cats?

• 45:36Speaker 00

  Dog, dogs or cats? Cats. But I have two dogs.

• 45:41Josh Horowitz?

  Your contradiction. You're walking.

• 45:42Speaker 00

  I, my, I love the dogs. I have a lot of love for both, but I grew up with cats. I love cats.

• 45:48Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Uh, what do you collect, if anything?

• 45:52Speaker 00

  Sunglasses.

• 45:54Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Do you have a favorite video game of all time?

• 45:58Speaker 00

  Super Mario. It's like favorite, but only, the only one I ever played.

• 46:03Josh Horowitz?

  By default, it wins.

• 46:04Speaker 00

  I don't have a lot of options.

• 46:06Josh Horowitz?

  That's fair. Uh, Dakota Johnson once, once asked me this. I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt?

• 46:19Josh Horowitz?

  I know.

• 46:20Speaker 00

  I think in my butt?

• 46:21Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. That's the prevailing wisdom. That, I think that's the way to go. Yeah.

• 46:25Speaker 00

  Okay, that's a good one.

• 46:28Josh Horowitz?

  What's the wallpaper on your phone?

• 46:30Speaker 00

  Uh, my four daughters.

• 46:33Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, last actor you were mistaken for?

• 46:37Speaker 00

  What is it?

• 46:37Josh Horowitz?

  The last actor you were mistaken for. Does it ever happen? Someone says, oh, you're that this person?

• 46:44Speaker 00

  No, I assume the best of everybody.

• 46:46Josh Horowitz?

  No, I'm saying someone that like thinks that you're another, a different actor.

• 46:53Josh Horowitz?

  Is it Phoebe Waller-Bridge?

• 46:57Speaker 00

  Exactly that. Uh, Natalie Portman, Keira Knightley.

• 47:02Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 47:02Speaker 00

  And Dua Lipa. That's what I get.

• 47:04Josh Horowitz?

  Sure. Uh, what's the worst noted director has ever given you?

• 47:10Speaker 00

  The worst? Do you want me to give you another Phoebe Bridges and that type of thing? When Zack Snyder told me, just, I was doing a fight thing and he said, just do it just like that, but nice and easy. And I was like, nice and easy? It doesn't, listen, whenever these things happen to me, I tell people, I wanna see you speak Hebrew for a second and let's, uh, let me ask you fast questions. I'm a little slower when it comes to.

• 47:42Josh Horowitz?

  You're good. You're doing great.

• 47:43Speaker 00

  American culture.

• 47:43Josh Horowitz?

  You're doing great. Finally, in the spirit of Happy Sad Confused, who's an actor who always makes you happy, you see them on screen, you're in a better mood?

• 47:51Speaker 00

  Chris Pine.

• 47:53Josh Horowitz?

  The best. Um, movie that makes you sad?

• 47:57Speaker 00

  Oh, uh, it's like, I'm, I'm ashamed to say, okay, between The Schindler's List and The Notebook.

• 48:08Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. I mean, two ends of the spectrum, but they're both, they both do it. I get it. These are two valid answers.

• 48:15Speaker 00

  Being honest here.

• 48:16Josh Horowitz?

  I totally get it.

• 48:17Speaker 00

  You know what? The Beautiful Life, that one.

• 48:20Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:20Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 48:21Josh Horowitz?

  Great answers. Okay. And finally, what's a food that makes you confused?

• 48:31Josh Horowitz?

  See it on the menu.

• 48:32Speaker 00

  Other, I'm not confused with food. I'm very straightforward.

• 48:36Josh Horowitz?

  You eat anything? There's nothing on the, on the no-go list?

• 48:39Speaker 00

  Sweet snacks that are supposed to be salty, but they're sweet, like these type of things.

• 48:44Josh Horowitz?

  That's acceptable.

• 48:44Speaker 00

  But confused is a big word.

• 48:47Josh Horowitz?

  Questioning the very premise. Wow. I've got, I've got a long list. It's, it's less confusion than just like abject, you know, I, revulsion.

• 48:56Speaker 00

  Like what?

• 48:57Josh Horowitz?

  Mushrooms. I've got a list.

• 49:00Speaker 00

  Wow, you're problematic with food, huh? You're like.

• 49:03Josh Horowitz?

  Are we gonna, are we gonna end it this way, Gal? We had some good time. Really?

• 49:06Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no, no. Okay, ask me one more.

• 49:09Josh Horowitz?

  No, no, we're done. We're good. We're good. I appreciate you. I'm sorry this wasn't in person. Congratulations on the film. Everybody, check out The Runner. It's on Prime Video. Um, Gal, thank you. It took a while, but we made it happen and hopefully we'll do it again.

• 49:22Speaker 00

  It was, you know what it was? It was nice and easy.

• 49:26Josh Horowitz?

  Zack Snyder would say.

• 49:29Speaker 00

  Thank you so much, Josh.

• 49:31Josh Horowitz?

  Have a good one. Appreciate you.

• 49:32Speaker 00

  Good to see you. Bye, my dear.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  And so ends another edition of Happy Sad Confused. Remember to review, rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley and I definitely wasn't.

• 49:47Speaker 00

  Should do this by Josh.

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