343 - ⁠Slow Down the Matcha

Andy reports back after encouraging Bec to slow down her matcha routine and embrace a more formal ritual. The boys investigate a seemingly unbelievable ad starring Sydney Swans star Isaac Heeney, Jack finally delivers an update on the long-awaited Hamish & Andy board game, and Hame's Hives returns with a genuine buzz. 1. Bec is rushing her matcha 2. Jack’s H&A board game progress 3. Isaac Heneney’s completely realistic ad 4. Hame’s Hives cocktail party

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• 0:23Speaker 02

  Ahoy to me, Theo Fighter.

• 0:27Speaker 03

  Hey.

• 0:27Speaker 02

  Well, he started it and so I'm not just gonna let Theo run his mouth. He stepped me, Theo. You're gonna get fists thrown at you.

• 0:39Speaker 03

  Ahoy to me, Roto Fighter. Jack.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  Same thing, Roto was talking up to me.

• 0:45Speaker 03

  Just because we seem like nice guys, you just can't keep stepping to us.

• 0:49Speaker 02

  This may give it more of a thing. Chlorophighter is me.

• 0:53Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Are we pool cleaning ingredients?

• 0:55Speaker 02

  Ooh, you, oh, we kill germs, maybe. You're not, you're not killing the germs.

• 1:01Speaker 03

  Are we within the body?

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Trump hated this happening to him a couple of months ago. It was of great embarrassment and he suggested that it was sabotage and that it was curated by biologists.

• 1:17Speaker 03

  Oh, this is tough.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  I don't know. Did he get sick of it? No, it was something that he spent a lot of money upgrading in Washington DC.

• 1:25Speaker 03

  Oh, it's the pool. So it's the DC reflecting pool.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29Speaker 03

  Oh, the reflecting pool, yes. Well, is it pool cleaning chemicals?

• 1:33Speaker 02

  We are types of algae. We are the three major classifications of algae. You're a brown algae, Ham. You're a red one, Jack, and I'm a green algae.

• 1:44Speaker 03

  Chloroform or chlorophyll. I think the fighter was the threat. Like, you don't think of algae as fighting anything.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  No, we thought we were the ingredients to kill the algae, if anything.

• 1:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's true. No, different type of fighter. P-H-Y-T-A. You should have pronounced it a bit differently.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Ahoy also to Jenna who went to haymishdandy.com to let us know what she's up to.

• 2:06Speaker 04

  Hey, guys. Gusto to the two big boys and one little boy. And this is Jenna here from Sydney. I was hoping you could help me out with something. I have some family members and particularly a brother-in-law, Luke, who loves to listen to your pod. And I thought, what a better way to announce something exciting that's happening in my life. So here goes to the family and to Luke. I'm pregnant. I'm 11 weeks at the moment and very excited.

• 2:39Speaker 03

  Probably about 21 by now.

• 2:40Speaker 04

  This podcast is getting me through some rough morning sickness days. But guys, I'd really love to announce this before the baby's born. So we'll see if it takes longer than seven months to upload. Otherwise, there's going to be quite a surprise for the family.

• 2:59Speaker 03

  I think.

• 2:59Speaker 04

  Thanks so much, guys.

• 3:00Speaker 03

  There'll be signs. Love you too. Unless that was for your family, in which case, good to hear you love them.

• 3:08Speaker 02

  I think it was for her family.

• 3:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I don't know. Because she, that last bit was for us about the upload speed. So I feel like she'd changed, she was addressing now the team.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  I think that surprise will have remained. I've fast-tracked that one through the system.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  Well done. The sub-one-year upload speed. What a lucky duck.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  Guys, last week, Hame, you raised a challenge. We're doing the group of threes at the top of the show. And if people might remember, it was the utensils, the three main utensils used for a Matcha tea.

• 3:41Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  Being the bowl and the funny little whisk, the chashen or something like that.

• 3:47Speaker 03

  I was gonna have one, the scoop.

• 3:48Speaker 02

  And the scoop, there, yes, the spoon. Yes. And I was saying that Bec uses, does her tea every day. She makes it. And you were saying, Hame, in Japan.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, we've been to a traditional Matcha ceremony, I'm pretty sure it was Matcha, like a green tea ceremony, which is the same. And, you know, you put the powder in and you whisk it. But in Japan, or the ceremony we went to in the Hotel Foya, where they ran the complimentary traditional experience, we learnt all about the stages of the ceremony. And really, it's the opposite of, if you're doing it in the morning, it's the opposite of how I would run my coffee ceremony, which is like harassing the machine to speed up, like banging it, like going as fast as you can.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  It's in Japan, in traditional Japanese culture, the way I remember it, the Matcha ceremony, you take your time, you're all kneeling. And as the host, one of the key steps, yes, was handing out bowls. And as a guest, it's very polite to, what's required, part of the tradition, to comment on the bowl.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  And you chat about it. The host might have a fun story about the bowl.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  Just a lot of things you don't see happening in most kitchens of a morning. As you're racing to kind of, yeah, make the school lunches, get everyone out the door. Oh, wow, Anko mugs. Yes, I was at Westfield and I remembered that we needed mugs. Wonderful. Did you get a boost? I did not. I got a bubble tea. What a wonderful story. Oh, yours is also an Anko mug. Very similar to.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  So the suggestion was made by me that I think Bec is rushing her Matcha.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  And she's doing it traditionally.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  The suggestion was made by you, Ham, to tell her that. In the throes of the morning.

• 5:28Speaker 03

  To encourage her to do a more formal ritual. So she enjoys the Matcha more and respects the journey.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  Yes. So I did attempt that while recording. I mean, I had it lined up for one day, but she was in a mood. And so I scurried away, scurried away in fear.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  And so. This is very, I mean, you're not even married yet.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, but we don't.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  How much, you're so ready. You're so ready for the marriage.

• 5:54Speaker 02

  Yes. But then I came back the next day. I was like, oh, this is a better day for it. So she was getting her Matcha. We should point out, just as by way of background, Henry sometimes has an allergy where she itches. Apparently she's allergic to grass, which is bloody annoying because there's plenty of that.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  Dogs love grass.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love it. So.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  And it's very difficult to tell a dog what it's allergic to, I imagine.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  Like, you can't go, if you've got a kid, you can be like, well, you've got to be very careful about peanuts. And they'll understand and their teachers will understand all that. Dog don't care.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, dog doesn't care. So often, Henry will itch through the night or through the day. And she, I coined a phrase, itchy one. So she is like a Japanese kind of nickname for her.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  Do that anymore, but it's sort of in the 12th man category.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  It's a line ball.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  So itchy one. So what you're getting, what you're, what you're hearing is the start of a conversation where I was explaining to Bec that she, that Henry was itchy last night and we both start saying itchy one.

• 7:01Speaker 03

  Right, you're doing the traditional greeting for the dog.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  As she goes into making her Matcha. Okay, so here we go.

• 7:08Speaker 03

  That's what, little itchy one there.

• 7:10Speaker 05

  Itchy one.

• 7:13Speaker 05

  Itchy one.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  She was itchy.

• 7:16Speaker 05

  Little Miss Itchy One. Little Miss Itchy One.

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Itchy one.

• 7:19Speaker 05

  Itchy One had her dumplings yesterday and a peaking duck.

• 7:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Wait, wait.

• 7:25Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Can we stop there? What?

• 7:29Speaker 03

  I have to live around this. First of all, boy, do you love the nickname. Second of all, she had peaking duck dumplings? I'm sorry, did she turn into a human and was having her 16th birthday? Whoa, fancy one.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  Surely she ate dog food and you just pretend like, here's your peaking duck, Henry.

• 7:49Speaker 03

  Are you joking?

• 7:52Speaker 02

  We went for a long walk to get yum char and she was there with us. And she did have a bit of peaking duck.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  That's a human restaurant.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  She didn't sit, she didn't sit up at the table. She actually did sit up for a bit. It was outside, but yes.

• 8:06Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  And we had a spare little bit of duck and she, I didn't make the pancake for her and like put the plum sauce on.

• 8:13Speaker 03

  She should have just been gnawing the carcass out the back like a normal dog.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  Anyway, yes.

• 8:20Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  And she had one born dumpling.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  That at yum char, just, people don't need to be reminded of this, but obviously when you get the menu that they rapidly stamp or tick, you start with the standard dim sum special. Peaking duck is down in the lost touch region where they actually have to write.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a lost touch.

• 8:39Speaker 03

  They actually have to write down peaking duck. Peaking duck for a dog.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  It was a little bit of duck. It was a little bit, extra bit of duck.

• 8:47Speaker 03

  My God, it probably goes on an ancient Chinese like scroll or something they bring to the table.

• 8:54Speaker 06

  That's incredible.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 8:55Speaker 06

  There was, you always think you're gonna eat more dumplings than you are. We over ordered on dumplings. That's the, the natural want when you go for yum cha.

• 9:03Speaker 03

  I get them away.

• 9:04Speaker 06

  Yeah. So there was one prawn dumpling left over there.

• 9:07Speaker 03

  I know we're not talking about this, but since we are, the, my natural, you know, you think at yum, most yum cha, most run of the mill yum cha. I know you can get some outliers who do it very well, but you go to a standard yum cha. You think there are more dim sum available in the universe of dim sum than there are. So you always start with prawn hagel. Like yum, they're the classics. Everyone loves prawn hagel.

• 9:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 9:28Speaker 03

  Then the trolleys come around, you try a few things. I always hit in the yum cha where I go, you know what? Just bring back the prawns.

• 9:34Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  Like we're chasing it. Well, what are we doing?

• 9:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 9:36Speaker 03

  And we're chasing it with these other ones.

• 9:39Speaker 06

  And I feel sorry for the cart lady who has all the things that aren't a dumpling.

• 9:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're not doing chicken feet. We did it as a joke.

• 9:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, cause she's, she's just doing laps and laps without getting any takers.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  Steam bar and prawn hagel. We're basic, just bring, just give us the good stuff.

• 9:54Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 9:54Speaker 03

  We've got past, okay, so sorry.

• 9:56Speaker 06

  Let's just try, can we pick this up again? Essentially, she's, yes.

• 10:01Speaker 03

  We're about to find out that she's now gone and picked a live lobster from the tank. And has brought it over for a snack.

• 10:08Speaker 06

  And, uh, Beck is over near the stove. You can hear she's, um, I think you would have heard the.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  Was that her hitting the water?

• 10:16Speaker 06

  Water going in, yeah. And, um, I think she's getting ready to fire up the stove.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  Okay. So can I just say for, as an outsider peeking into the inner workings of the secret recordings of your kitchen? This, it sounds like she's in a great mood.

• 10:27Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 10:28Speaker 03

  So, Jack, you're making your, uh, matcha?

• 10:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  I was reading the other day about matcha.

• 10:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  And I think you rush making the matcha.

• 10:42Speaker 05

  What do you mean?

• 10:44Speaker 03

  That you, you just, it's meant to be like a, a Japanese ritual.

• 10:49Speaker 05

  I never watched, you never watched me make my matcha.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  I watched you make your matcha. All I'm saying is if you're so into it.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  So I need you to rush it.

• 11:03Speaker 05

  I think you've got no idea what it's looking like.

• 11:05Speaker 03

  I do, yeah.

• 11:07Speaker 06

  So you're hearing a man was going to press the point and then retreat, scurried off again. So I went, I think I, anyway.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  I think I, I think I do. I think I know what I read. Where'd you read it? Uh, okay, well, I'm just vaguely remembering third hand what Hamish remembers from the hotel lobby three years ago.

• 11:26Speaker 06

  Which is never trustworthy. But then I did have the confidence to go back and press her because I remembered, I, I scurried away. And then I remember, I was like, hang on, it was the complimenting of the bowl that I thought was the important part.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  Tell the story of the bowl.

• 11:40Speaker 06

  Okay. So we pick it back up.

• 11:44Speaker 05

  Well, you ever watch, you know, once there was involved?

• 11:47Speaker 03

  What's involved? Well, you hate firstly, the, the bowl you, you put it in.

• 11:56Speaker 03

  You're meant to, as far as the ritual goes, you're meant to actually hold the bowl and say something nice about the bowl.

• 12:03Speaker 05

  I straight it.

• 12:05Speaker 03

  You just rush it a bit.

• 12:08Speaker 06

  Good.

• 12:10Speaker 05

  What are you talking about?

• 12:14Speaker 05

  A dog?

• 12:15Speaker 03

  You meant to hold the bowl and say something nice about the bowl.

• 12:18Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 12:19Speaker 05

  Where is my milk frother?

• 12:24Speaker 05

  Thing.

• 12:24Speaker 03

  Down there.

• 12:25Speaker 05

  You always put it.

• 12:26Speaker 03

  Over in the, I know, don't I put it in the tea spot?

• 12:30Speaker 03

  Well, why wouldn't it be with the teas?

• 12:31Speaker 05

  It's a tiny pot.

• 12:33Speaker 03

  It's a pot, all the expertise.

• 12:35Speaker 05

  No, it's milk.

• 12:36Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 12:36Speaker 05

  Matcha.

• 12:38Speaker 03

  Well, say something nice about the pot.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  You're defending your Japanese errand. Say something nice about the pot or I can't let you drink that. You're not doing it properly. Um, I feel like you rushed it, to be honest.

• 12:55Speaker 06

  The problem was the request. He wasn't confident.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  You guys always, of course it's not confident, Jack.

• 13:00Speaker 03

  Weighted in unarmed. I didn't have any of the reasons to tell you, say, it's part of the tradition. Maybe we should serve it to each other. Maybe you'll get more out of it this way. I think you just came back to going, well, you're rushing it. What do you mean? I just think you're rushing it. But you couldn't really back it up. That was the tough part.

• 13:17Speaker 06

  Well, yeah, I was petrified. Um, as, as I mentioned, you guys always criticize the way that I bring these things up, but you'd be scurrying away from your lives.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Well, you, you walk out of here and go, I'm gonna record Beck. I'm gonna get it tomorrow.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  Served it with an arrest warrant and it's like, where's your evidence? I don't know. You're just under arrest. I'm just, that's what everyone's saying, that you're under arrest. Spot four. I'm just saying, everyone in the courthouse is like.

• 13:40Speaker 06

  I need to go away and have a think about it.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  You know, actually, I'll get back to you on the charges.

• 13:49Speaker 06

  Guys, you will be shocked that over the last few weeks, I have made progress on the Hamish and Andy board game. A full year ahead of its release date. More.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  I am, I am shocked. And I thought the Hamish Hives update coming up was the most shocking news of today.

• 14:08Speaker 06

  It is in, it's in very primitive stages, I will say.

• 14:11Speaker 03

  Of course, of course, caveat, caveat, caveat, caveat.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Hang on. So where we got to last was, Hamon, I think we voiced that we weren't so keen on the original concept.

• 14:22Speaker 06

  The first concept I pitched was called Common Man Landia. And the idea of the game was too high concept. If you play a lot of board games, you'd be used to these games that have heaps of characters, heaps of cards and powers that you can pull.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  Not for me.

• 14:35Speaker 06

  But it's a lot.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  And I think that's what we said last time. We said, we want the kind of game where if you bought it away on, on a like a holiday and you went, hey, guys, let's play this. And then everyone goes, oh yeah, I'll give that a crack. And it's, you know.

• 14:47Speaker 03

  Like Cards of Humanity level of difficulty.

• 14:50Speaker 06

  Yeah. Funny you should say. The game has been condensed from the big board that I originally imagined into a card game.

• 14:59Speaker 03

  Great.

• 14:59Speaker 06

  Version of it that is a lot simpler than the many ideas that I originally had.

• 15:05Speaker 03

  Right.

• 15:06Speaker 06

  So it'll be played hopefully by a broader amount of people, enjoyed by more fans of the show.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  Do you have to know the show to understand the game?

• 15:13Speaker 06

  That's what we're hoping not to, that you can play it and be a fan of the show and go, oh, this is a nod to the show. But if you've never heard the show, you can enjoy it equally.

• 15:22Speaker 03

  Still a fun game to play.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  Great.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  What? Can you give us an insight, apart from just changing the format?

• 15:29Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 15:30Speaker 03

  Of how big the game is.

• 15:31Speaker 06

  I can't even tell you too much about how the game works, cause I don't.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  You haven't invented it?

• 15:35Speaker 06

  No, well, that's where enters, uh, a guy we'll call Brisbane Ben. His name's Ben and he's from Brisbane.

• 15:42Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 15:42Speaker 06

  No, no, no, it doesn't sting.

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Someone, someone, when someone's done this for him.

• 15:48Speaker 06

  We're working collaboratively on it.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  Hey, Jack, did you actually think of doing a card game?

• 15:52Speaker 06

  Group assignments.

• 15:54Speaker 03

  Do you think you're doing a card game? Cause I thought it could be a bit like this. Jack's like, you're not gonna believe this. I had the exact idea as I was reading your email.

• 16:02Speaker 06

  I'm trying to do a bit of that because at this, at the moment, I don't want Ben to think that this is his, fully his idea. But it is in the lost touch world. Common Man Landia was built on.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  Hang on, let's go back to the splits of like, let's be honest, how much of this is Ben's idea and how much is yours?

• 16:18Speaker 06

  Well, it has definitely flavors of the original board game I pitched. But he, this, this version.

• 16:23Speaker 03

  Which was based on content from this show.

• 16:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 16:27Speaker 06

  This is.

• 16:28Speaker 03

  Pinched, pinched, whatever.

• 16:32Speaker 06

  Ben's idea, uh, extends the world that I had in my head.

• 16:36Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 16:37Speaker 06

  And it's mostly his idea.

• 16:39Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:40Speaker 06

  Yeah. Because I can't.

• 16:41Speaker 03

  Don't say that on the record. Do you need to do it? Is this a keep it or delete it? You're surrendering the IP.

• 16:48Speaker 06

  Well, he's, I've noticed he's used like, when I'm chatting to him back and forth, he keeps using a lot of language. Cause I thought it was like our game that we were working on together. That was my original vision, just updated onto cards. But he keeps using language like, oh, my game, my game this, my game that.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  He's stolen it.

• 17:09Speaker 06

  My, my version of it is this.

• 17:11Speaker 03

  And because it's based on this show, he's hoping for you to sign off on it. So you just go, I made a board game based on the Hamish and Andy podcast and that's it.

• 17:19Speaker 06

  So I'm trying, I'm battling that with a lot of.

• 17:21Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 17:22Speaker 06

  We, our, like, and our, I want our board game to be this. When we do this, we will do this.

• 17:28Speaker 02

  And how's he responding to that?

• 17:29Speaker 06

  Yeah. He keeps using language like, yeah, yeah, no, that's good. Like your, your original idea is different to my idea because, and then again, I see that and go like, yeah, but. It's our, isn't it ours? Anyway, he's coming.

• 17:44Speaker 03

  Isn't it ours? Cause I'd prefer that outcome.

• 17:47Speaker 06

  I would really like it.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  Isn't it ours? Because if it's ours, that really presents me with a wonderful path, which is, I can say I did this. And I haven't, I didn't have to do any of the yucky work, but I still get to take the credit. So what about ours?

• 18:02Speaker 06

  And we, it would be, it is collaborative and it would be even more so if we were in the same city. We're not. So he's even been doing things like, oh, I did a play test with my friends.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  How many times you caught up?

• 18:14Speaker 06

  One Zoom. Three messages.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  Okay. Three messages. So the play test he's done with his friends.

• 18:21Speaker 06

  Message change?

• 18:22Speaker 03

  Change.

• 18:23Speaker 06

  Message change.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Three messages.

• 18:25Speaker 06

  Just three messages. Hey mate, this is Jack. Oh, great, Jack. Nice to meet you. Yeah, nice to meet you too. Anyway, what you could do with Dan going.

• 18:32Speaker 03

  Remember, ours.

• 18:36Speaker 03

  Can I just ask, Jack, when he did this play test? What materials did he use? Did you both develop those materials or is he using materials he developed?

• 18:46Speaker 06

  He hasn't developed the cards yet. He's just written them out on paper. So.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  But he's done some content.

• 18:51Speaker 06

  He's done that. Yeah, he's done the work. And I said, I, I said, I actually said, hold up on doing all the cards.

• 18:58Speaker 03

  If you're doing, now I've got no claim to this idea. Wait, wait, wait, let me, before you, god damn it, before you click on send for this album, let me put some drums on the back. That's why, that way it's our album.

• 19:14Speaker 06

  So he's, Ben is flying to Melbourne in a couple of weekends' time.

• 19:18Speaker 03

  At his expense?

• 19:19Speaker 06

  At his expense. Actually.

• 19:20Speaker 03

  Okay. So more of a claim that he'd have that he's spent money developing this.

• 19:25Speaker 06

  But I'm hosting it at my house. So equal there.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 19:28Speaker 06

  Because I'll, you know, put on pizza or whatever.

• 19:29Speaker 03

  What's that costing you?

• 19:30Speaker 06

  Well, it just, it's the venue, venue.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:37Speaker 06

  Can I just, just on a completely separate matter?

• 19:40Speaker 03

  So I think I own it.

• 19:41Speaker 06

  How much does it cost to hire your house? Having a function?

• 19:47Speaker 03

  I've got an important small meeting coming up.

• 19:49Speaker 06

  I think you're doing a company retreat. Just some brainstorming for the animation. Is it okay? We can buy you a-

• 19:57Speaker 02

  And you would get mates rights, obviously.

• 19:59Speaker 06

  Okay, great. What's the right?

• 20:00Speaker 03

  You really don't want to go back to work. Any revenue stream possible.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  A thousand dollars for the weekend.

• 20:07Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  Okay. Are you still there?

• 20:09Speaker 02

  More if you want to use the sauna.

• 20:11Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  How much more?

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Um, fifty dollars a head.

• 20:16Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 20:17Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 20:17Speaker 06

  Interesting that you used my beach- My beach house and didn't leave a gift. This is the mates right.

• 20:24Speaker 03

  Same at our place and said, I was thinking of leaving a present, but it seemed a bit over the top.

• 20:29Speaker 06

  Okay, we are getting off track.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  We are.

• 20:32Speaker 06

  What I need, so Ben is coming to Melbourne so that we can do a play test in person. Cause I said, I can't-

• 20:37Speaker 02

  Great.

• 20:37Speaker 06

  I can't understand all that's going on with the cards. I can, I need to see it in person. So we need some play testers to come over and play the game. Now I'm gonna, I can invite some friends, but I thought maybe it's a good opportunity to get some Hamish and Andy fans there as well.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  It would be good to have a blend of non-fans, because we do need a heft for the fact that it's um-

• 20:57Speaker 03

  I think you should, you know, maybe just go through the emails and we'll grab a few people from that. But you should also have some people that have no idea of the show.

• 21:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, okay, I can organize some people that don't have an idea of the show. And then maybe just two or three people in Melbourne-

• 21:11Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 21:11Speaker 06

  Would be easy, like don't fly them in or anything.

• 21:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 21:14Speaker 06

  Um, to play test the version of the game. And we might find out that it's not good and this isn't it, and we go back to the drawing board.

• 21:20Speaker 03

  And if it's not good- You should have a difficult conversation with Ben before this about the actual percentage. Because remember, don't Andy and I get fifty percent?

• 21:28Speaker 06

  Well, we have-

• 21:28Speaker 03

  Isn't that what we negotiated?

• 21:30Speaker 02

  I can't remember what's negotiated, but I-

• 21:31Speaker 06

  Well, we just assume equal thirds, wouldn't you assume?

• 21:35Speaker 03

  I know, I think we made you the generous offer of going, we'll take fifty percent. And this is back when you were gonna do the work. Like, I'm twenty-five, Andy's twenty-five and you were fifty.

• 21:44Speaker 06

  I don't remember that.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  I'd take that, yeah.

• 21:45Speaker 06

  He'll take that, I don't remember that.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  We're still getting fifty, but now it sounds like you've got to split your fifty percent with Ben.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  I feel like it should be a third, a third, a third.

• 21:53Speaker 06

  What if we go quarter, quarter, quarter? Brisbane Ben can have some.

• 21:56Speaker 03

  We don't know this guy. You're just farming out the work to him.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  All, all, all I'm saying is you were commissioned the job.

• 22:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  So it'll be out of your split that his split comes.

• 22:07Speaker 06

  Probably fair, okay. I forgot to tell you about his credentials. He's made games before, that's why I picked him. Cause lots of people came through with their ideas for games and they were, lots of good ideas came in. But he said, I've actually made games and been a game tester for some of the most famous games of all time.

• 22:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  I'm sure he's great. I think I'm just, just getting my head around the fact that this whole thing started, I think nearly a year ago, with you saying, I love games and I'd love the opportunity to create my own one. You came up with a title, hit a creative jam, someone else has come up with the game and now you are racing after their coat tails to leap and grab on, like T1000 in the Terminator movies when he jumps on the back of the car with sword arms.

• 22:48Speaker 06

  I think we'll find when he's in Melbourne, I'm just not a Zoom person. I don't like collaborating over Zoom in, in person.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  It'll come together.

• 22:57Speaker 06

  It'll come together and we'll have, we'll feel like we're equal.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  Do you think he has though, over the game?

• 23:02Speaker 06

  Um.

• 23:03Speaker 03

  How much do you think he feels he has? Cause I think that's an important thing to kind of tick off, don't you?

• 23:08Speaker 06

  Should I message him? No, that's-

• 23:10Speaker 03

  I don't know, man. I mean, this is your project, but it seems like you've got a guy here that keeps saying it's his idea. And you're hoping to kind of cut the amount.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  It'll come out of your third. That's, that's, that's-

• 23:21Speaker 06

  So I have to do my own negotiation?

• 23:23Speaker 02

  You can do your own negotiations, it's up to you. And then, and then also, if you do have this play test and the game is no good, is it still ours?

• 23:31Speaker 06

  Or is it gonna- Oh no, then he would be, then we would say, thanks for your time, Ben. And I'd go to the next email or come up with an idea myself. So it's no longer ours, it's back to being here.

• 23:41Speaker 03

  It's ours upside only, obviously, upside only it's ours. What it, can he, what's it called at the moment? Is he calling it Common Man Landia?

• 23:49Speaker 06

  No, we're just gonna call it Must Be Nice, because this idea is the same. Common Man Landia, you were trying to not lose touch.

• 23:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, no, that was the, that was the only piece of content that we ever heard was the title, but you've lost that.

• 24:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, well, no, the idea of, the idea of not losing touch in the game.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 24:08Speaker 06

  That theme has carried over into Must Be Nice, the card game.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  Into his idea.

• 24:13Speaker 06

  Into our idea.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  Sorry, yep. Um, who suggested, let's call it Must Be Nice?

• 24:18Speaker 06

  No, that was his idea. And he actually said, oh, funny that I thought of this idea before I heard you talk about Common Man Landia, which I, we could never verify whether that's true.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  You've got someone quite feistily pursuing ownership of this.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  Jack, good luck.

• 24:36Speaker 03

  Good luck.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  With the play testing, but also good luck with the negotiation.

• 24:39Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  Negotiate first, you think?

• 24:41Speaker 06

  Up to you, mate. So it's not, not for us.

• 24:43Speaker 03

  Wait till it's a hit, then go back and go, no, sorry, we never talked about this, but I don't think you should have any of this.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  This show, we pride ourselves being a top of our game on a few things. One is if we see an ad that's a little bit off or a little bit unrealistic.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  We'll um, look into it, won't we?

• 25:10Speaker 03

  We're, we're the ombudsman. Because I don't know if advertising, does advertising have an ombudsman?

• 25:16Speaker 02

  I don't think so. But at this, I mean, they have like regulatory standards that they have to meet, but I don't think that pertains to errors in just ads that are meant to often look like regular life and you're like, that'll never happen.

• 25:30Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 25:31Speaker 03

  A lot of the time it's us. Um, I was actually reminded of this yesterday, it was a sort of similar thing. But remember when we did the investigation into, have you been, were you a child involved in a private school billboard or marketing campaign?

• 25:45Speaker 03

  We saw that guy, there was a photo of a guy coming so far out of the water playing water polo. You could almost see speedos, a level of thrust that is impossible at Olympic level.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  No, so he's clearly jumped off the-

• 25:57Speaker 03

  So we have gone and either put a platform underneath, I've just shot it in the shallow end to go, look at our strong boys.

• 26:04Speaker 03

  Like you're some, you're such a strong boy.

• 26:07Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  And he's also probably learning, but you know, you gotta have it, you've got strong legs, strong mind.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  Boy, a lot of those came in. So yeah, similar thing, like Alert listener John brought this ad to my attention. I've printed it out, I've placed it both in front of you, you can turn it over.

• 26:23Speaker 06

  Okay, so it's not a TV ad?

• 26:24Speaker 02

  No, it's a print ad. I'll check the online. To describe it to people at home, it's for a Philips countertop water filter.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  It involves AFL footballer star, Sydney Swans player Isaac Heeney.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  Who is actually-

• 26:39Speaker 03

  Using it, he's happily using it.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, who's actually been in one of our other ad investigations. Cause he was the man that took a mark on Christian Petraka for Colgate.

• 26:49Speaker 06

  Yes, and we wondered whether there was a conversation between them, who would be taking the mark and who would be getting marked on.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  Obviously, you know, superstars, all Australian players, so he's like, did you know who was getting used as the step ladder?

• 27:00Speaker 06

  Never got to the bottom of that one.

• 27:01Speaker 03

  This, this, you assume his agent's gone, yep, that's a can of worms when you're in an ad with a different AFL player, because one of you's gonna be in the alpha dog position, one won't be.

• 27:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  So that, his manager's obviously gone before he's done this ad.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  Let's stay away from it.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  Heeney filling up his water from the Philips water thing. And we'll get into it in a sec, because there's a lot of other elements here I want to talk about. But he's, man is obviously gone. Now it's not two players trying to battle for the spout of the water filler, is it?

• 27:31Speaker 03

  I've had some problems. Can't run into problems here with just one man filling up one bottle? Yes, it is. Okay, yeah, he'll do it. He'll love that.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  So, to describe it for everybody. Isaac Heeney is shirtless.

• 27:46Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Which is a great thirst trap, because he is well-built and-

• 27:50Speaker 03

  I mean, he's a very athletic man, so you, you know, get, get your pound of flesh if you're in Philips.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he is using the Philips countertop water purifier. He's got his drink bottle underneath it. But the interesting part is he's also carrying a surfboard-

• 28:04Speaker 03

  He's got a surfboard.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  In the kitchen. So I suppose the question came up is like, do you think he's having a drink?

• 28:11Speaker 03

  On his way to a surf.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 28:13Speaker 03

  And he's already got his board.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  None of it makes sense. None, no scenario here makes any sense because he's in the kitchen.

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  Looks like in an apartment because you can see that that has to be the front door in the background because it's got the deadlock on it. So he runs a really tight security throughout the internals of his house.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  But I, I think it's more the front door. So he's got the water filter taking up too much bench space, to be honest.

• 28:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  Just in the middle of a bench.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  Which we, of course, we know it's posed for the ad.

• 28:42Speaker 03

  But you wouldn't put it there. That was, okay, let's start with that.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  I was thinking, there's no way.

• 28:46Speaker 03

  Smack bang in the centre.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  It's an island bench top.

• 28:48Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  And he's put it in the middle of the island bench.

• 28:52Speaker 03

  Nothing else can be used.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Nothing else can be used, but also on a forty five degree angle, which is clearly so you can see the Phillips logo, but again.

• 28:58Speaker 03

  They were having a nightmare with the, with the composition of this ad too, because if you can picture this, and I know we're describing a visual. So to open him up to get, because obviously you'd go right hand onto the water.

• 29:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 29:12Speaker 03

  He's got his left hand, so his body can be opened up to the camera. So he can see his abs and we can see his musculature of across the top of his body.

• 29:20Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 29:20Speaker 03

  But he's now able to go sort of like a backhand tilt into the water. Like, so it's not a natural way to do it with your left hand anyway.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  But if you were holding a surfboard in your right hand, you would have to go that way.

• 29:31Speaker 03

  You'd have to do that with your surfboard.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 29:33Speaker 03

  So question is.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  Do you think he's on his way?

• 29:36Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  For a surf? Or do you think he's come back?

• 29:38Speaker 03

  The only, no, neither work because I'm not a surfer, but I know enough people that have surfboards in their apartments.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 29:46Speaker 03

  Surfboard that lives on the porch or very close to the front door.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:50Speaker 03

  Surfboard is not often taken into the depths of the house.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:53Speaker 03

  Might live in the carport, might live around the back or whatever.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  So I just, unbiasedly, I text Mick Fanning.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  Okay, great.

• 30:01Speaker 03

  You're the only thing that would work.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  That spot next to the front door might be where you leave your surfboard.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Your board, yeah.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  He might have got the surfboard under his arm and it's in a comfy, again, I'm not a surfer, but I assume that they're kind of annoying to carry, but once you've got it well balanced, maybe you enjoy, you go, I'm not going to put this down because I've got it in the sweet spot.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:20Speaker 03

  It's not tipping forward, it's not tipping back. He might have gone, oh, actually, I forgot to have my water. And he's gone back into the kitchen.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  But you just wouldn't with a surfboard.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  Because it's gonna be tight stuff over. Only if he's had difficulty carrying the board before.

• 30:34Speaker 02

  Look, it's a tight quest apartment. There's no way you can walk around.

• 30:38Speaker 03

  You don't know how much difficulty he's had carrying the board before. The problem with this theory is not to shoot down my own theory.

• 30:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:45Speaker 03

  It looks like a shortboard, which would be easy to carry. So if he had a longboard, I can imagine they're a nightmare to carry. And so if you did find a nice balanced tipping point under your right arm, I can see that you wouldn't want to give that up.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  But I still think you'd put it down.

• 31:00Speaker 03

  Into the apartment if you forgot your water.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:02Speaker 03

  Anyway, what did Mick say?

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Mick, I said, I just, I'm biased because I didn't want to show him the ad yet. I just said, hey mate, have you ever taken your surfboard into the kitchen?

• 31:15Speaker 02

  Ever.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  Anyway, I try to avoid it.

• 31:18Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  I wrote back, no, but yeah.

• 31:21Speaker 03

  Could it happen?

• 31:22Speaker 02

  Have you, have you ever, if you were really thirsty?

• 31:24Speaker 03

  Have you ever done it? Yeah. What if you're on, what if you, what if you were in a situation where your coach had made you promise to drink what looks like four to five hundred mils of water before every surf?

• 31:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. He said no.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  Now, I mean, that's not to say that he's the same as every other surfer. He's just the world's best at a point in time. So that's, so then I'm thinking, okay.

• 31:46Speaker 03

  I mean, I've got to throw one more thing at you on the ad.

• 31:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  Again, they've, they've gone, we want him topless. And they've gone, well, if he's just in his undies, this is ridiculous. This is an ad. This has nothing to do with being topless. We have to give him the surfboard to justify the toplessness.

• 32:00Speaker 02

  That's what I've just done.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  The way they've got it, the surfboard's angled down, it just goes across his, for people that are into this kind of, into the anatomy of the body.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:13Speaker 03

  It just intersects the line of the surfboard, goes from under his right armpit, cross his chest, comes down under his left oblique.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  But you see no board short.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  So once you start imagining his nude, you can't actually get it out of you. They did need to show a peak of board short. Because now it looks like he's off for a nude surf, because he's also not in a wedding. Like if he's ready to go out the door, don't you get in your wet suit?

• 32:38Speaker 02

  No. So, but he might be surfing, I mean, you'd normally have a rash, but he might be surfing in, up north where you don't require a wedding.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  But we know he's a Sydney swans player, so this has to be in Sydney.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  Yes, unless he's having, unless he's taken his, uh, water purifier on his trips to play golf.

• 32:54Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And that's why it's in the apartment.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  You're gonna love, you're gonna love water purifier so much, you'll take him to an Airbnb in Cairns.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 33:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  I don't think he could have returned from a surf.

• 33:08Speaker 03

  No, he's got dry hair.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Dry hair, uh, dry body, uh, and the hair's, dry board, the hair's too good. I then went on the website, had a good look around. As soon as he doesn't have the board, he's got his shirt back on. So for other commercial promo pics, so you ride, you ride ham, they're like, they would have had a situation where they're like, well, we can't just have him shirtless.

• 33:31Speaker 03

  They're like, we want him to be using the product. We can't get him getting out of the shower. It doesn't make sense for this water purifier to be in the bathroom.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:40Speaker 03

  We can't just have him in track seat pants with his top off, even though that's what we want.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  Hmm. And, but we have to have the device in the most inconvenient spot in the kitchen.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  I mean, a beach towel could have done it if he just had a beach towel under his arms. Like I'm on the way out to the beach, because then you're in boardies, but.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  And more likely you would carry it through the kitchen on your way to get some water on your way out.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  I feel like a beach towel could have done it.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  Hmm. I wonder how much of the backstory Isaac is filled in on. Like, does he, does he question it? Does he get here and go, what am I meant to be doing?

• 34:10Speaker 03

  We've all been, you know, the tricky thing about a photo shoot, when you turn up like this and everyone's kind of like freestyling it.

• 34:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:16Speaker 03

  If you're not used to that environment and there's ten people who, and you've gone, he's realistically probably going, look, I've got an hour.

• 34:26Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 34:26Speaker 03

  So they've gone, you know, you do lighting, you do hair and makeup, like everything's ready. By the time you're on set, he's already looking at the watch. We doesn't have one on, so, but he's looking at the oven clock, which would be nearby going, oh my God, I've got eighteen minutes left.

• 34:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  So when someone starts imagining things like, let's just give him a surfboard. He, he, most of the time you're like, yeah, sure.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  Just to hurry it along.

• 34:50Speaker 02

  You just end up telling it. When you ask opinions, it's ten to one generally, isn't it? We've been in that situation where you're like, are you sure it should be like this? And there's ten people behind the camera going, yeah, it's awesome.

• 35:00Speaker 03

  It's good, it's good.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  And you definitely get.

• 35:01Speaker 03

  I would ever get the surfboard and come back into the kitchen.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  No, no, it looks awesome. It's great to see the shots. It's so good.

• 35:13Speaker 03

  Okay. Look, I, you know, it wouldn't bring a Hames Hives update to the table unless there was significant movement.

• 35:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  Another genuine Hames Hives update.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  Well, we're still waiting for the, the huge announcement is where you left it last time.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  No, you didn't deserve the huge announcement.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  What happened? Remember he said, I remember the takeout, because it was just like this, the end of the show, and he said, I've got, I've got a big announcement and a huge announcement.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  Which one?

• 35:40Speaker 02

  The big announcement, I can't even remember what it was. It was low wattage and the huge announcement was.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  Not low wattage, Shaky. It was that the, uh, a product manager from Coles or Woolworths, I can't remember which one, said we're watching it very closely.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  That's right. And then the huge announcement, we weren't allowed to know because.

• 35:57Speaker 03

  I didn't care for your tone. I didn't care for your attitude. And I'm sensing a similar swell here again.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  And then he said, then he said, I'll never tell you the huge announcement. You'll just, when the product comes out, you'll know what it is because you'll go, ah, that must have been the huge announcement.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  And did he, and I stand by that.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  Did he vouch never to bring it up again until the product's out? Or is, or is he allowed to talk about other announcements? No, I think he's allowed to talk about other announcements.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  Okay, great.

• 36:21Speaker 03

  And look, these announcements, I apologize because if you have gone to hameshives.com and you're part of the mailing list, as six thousand plus people are part of the hive.

• 36:31Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 36:32Speaker 03

  You will have received this already in a newsletter update.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  How many newsletters have you put out?

• 36:37Speaker 03

  That will be, that will be today's newsletter or last night's newsletter.

• 36:41Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 36:42Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:42Speaker 03

  So just one last night.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  So that's the first one went out last night.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  No, God, no. We've had them going out since the start.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, but how many of you sent out?

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Last night, just one.

• 36:54Speaker 03

  What are you asking, mate? I'm very confused by the, I think I've answered your question, Senator. Asked and answered.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 37:02Speaker 03

  No, two.

• 37:05Speaker 03

  We sent out the initial one.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  Including the one that you said last night.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  Which you haven't said because we're pre-recording this.

• 37:11Speaker 03

  Two days earlier.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  And you, and you, that, that means you have to remember.

• 37:17Speaker 03

  I want a dog.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  Remember doing that in the next forty eight hours.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna forget. We'll not forget this.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  This is all, I'm basically reading from the draft of the newsletter here to give you the guys exciting news, because I know how much naysaying there was last time. Mister sneaky man must know it all.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  Go for it.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  What a whistleblower. We're rare to have a whistleblower, not even at your own company, standing outside the business blowing the whistle.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  This is the

• 37:46Speaker 02

  I'm fair, sorry.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  Hame's Hives, the, um, an exciting new honey business that is, you know, disrupting the bee farming world.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Slavery.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  And, you know, look, until this point, I did try and flag with people like, A, I didn't pick a great time to start a new business. I was kind of going into a few weeks of filming a TV show and then I went away on holidays for a few weeks. Like, I know I came in with a full head of steam to go, I'm going to prove you guys wrong and make Hame's Hive a wonderful business. But I'll be really honest with you as friends, in the background, there was part of me going, you've picked a poor time of the year to begin an empire.

• 38:22Speaker 02

  If there was a board of directors that you had to be in front of now, and they went, great, so we've invested in this, how have you been going over the last six weeks, eight weeks?

• 38:33Speaker 03

  I mean, I could give them, I could do a bit of paper shuffling, give them some answers. But here's the exciting part, there isn't a board, it's just me, King Bee, plus my mate AJ, who is from New Zealand, and, because this is a South Island Alpine honey operation, Australian company, all tax, all tax money will stay on the shore, so I'll look after this country. And I think out of respect to Australian bee farmers, who I adore, and I've met a lot of bee farmers in my travels, bee keepers, I like to think we're in the bee farming business.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 39:02Speaker 03

  You know, I say to them, they're like, you know, this is great, how are you enjoying it? To a person, the bee people are wonderful, they care about the nature, everyone's very into it, love that, have, very happy to be part of the bee farming community. And that's, I think, another reason why starting it in New Zealand is a good idea, because you're just like, I'm just not going to encroach on your turf, guys, the Aussie bee farmers.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  They're doing a great job.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  Let them be.

• 39:26Speaker 03

  Let them buzz around. And then we've got this Alpine honey that maybe we can sell overseas into other markets and whatnot. The Aussie, the other side of Australia's doing so well as well. So if you see, um, certainly before Hame's Hives launches at least, you just see an Aussie honey, get it, go for it.

• 39:42Speaker 02

  So you're saying you won't launch your bees in Australia?

• 39:45Speaker 03

  I'm not saying that, honey.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  You're just talking about what's the cost?

• 39:49Speaker 03

  I'll launch the honey in Australia.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying, I see you will.

• 39:53Speaker 03

  Well, I won't go and put my hive next to your hive and be competitive like that to an Australian bee farmer. But I will be that ballsy to the Kiwis, should our hives be in the same place.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  But on the shelf, you're competing?

• 40:04Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, look, honey dollar for honey dollar. It's, I think, all, the more honey sold, the better for everyone. I think we all agree on that as bee farmers.

• 40:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:11Speaker 03

  A rising, um, bee flood lifts all hives.

• 40:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  So that, that's, that's good news for the industry. But from a business perspective, do you want some exciting stuff?

• 40:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  I have actually paid out the first money to put the deposit down on our 100 hives. I've bought 100 hives, the deposit has been paid, $10,000 has been paid.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 40:35Speaker 03

  For the hives. That's just the deposit. I'm not going to go into the whole accounting of it, but an actual cheque has been written for Hame's Hives. We want to get them in, we want the hives placed, site selection is happening this week. AJ is going to New Zealand to liaise with our bee associates in New Zealand, who are going to be managing the hives, because obviously we can't be there. Site selection's happening next week.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Great.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, these are two very big milestones in the industry. And, yeah, please ask questions.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  How long does it take? Like, once you're stuck at the hive there?

• 41:13Speaker 03

  Spring, springtime, we want the honey to be flowing.

• 41:16Speaker 02

  You might have honey in like two months.

• 41:18Speaker 03

  Let's say three, but yeah, let's not pressure the bees too much. Remember, a lot of these hives are going to be at high altitude to create the highest hives in the world. What we think is the highest hives, therefore the strongest bees, therefore the strongest honey.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  That's, uh, I heard that disclaimer in there. What we think are the highest hives.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  Mate, I'm not going to go and check every mountain in the world to make sure it's not a beehive on. But to the best of our knowledge, these are the highest hives.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  We believe them to be the highest hives, and we believe these to be the strongest bees, and therefore that's the honey that we're going to put into energy gels. That's our honey, our power honey. So you can enjoy some of the cross-special benefits of eating some honey produced by the world's strongest bees, they have to be to live at that altitude, and then seeing what it does for your performance if you're into this kind of thing, like if you're a runner, cyclist, triathlete, endurance, like endurance.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  That's a good area to play in.

• 42:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm, I'm, I've got a good contact in that world, and I'm confident we'll get that product flowing as well. So looking at three flavours of honey, three types of flower, it depends what flower the bees land on, more details will happen later. Money has been paid, what else did I need to tell you? Money, uh, location thing? Oh, yeah. And I would assume you two will be pestering me for a ticket to the launch cocktail party.

• 42:47Speaker 02

  When is it? Tell us about it.

• 42:50Speaker 03

  November 10th.

• 42:53Speaker 02

  Oh, my birthday.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Is it?

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. I won't be there.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  Why not?

• 42:57Speaker 02

  I'm playing in the VIG PGA Championship.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  What time of the day is that?

• 43:01Speaker 02

  Uh, you get, well, I'm going to be down the, like, they play it down the coast, so I'm going to be down there.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  Jack, would you like to come for your birthday?

• 43:08Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  Now, people might think

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Where will it be?

• 43:15Speaker 03

  From all the pauses happening here, that we're just making this up as we go.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  Secret location. Right, wow. Now you've got my interest. So, but will Jack have to pay for his flights to get to this thing? It's, but, just be careful what you're saying you'll be at, Jack.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 43:30Speaker 02

  Like, I mean.

• 43:31Speaker 06

  Usually like when a brand launches something, they invite you, it's, it's kind of like a free drinks and free.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  Okay, well, if I'm inviting you as an influencer, I want big promo for it, from your socials.

• 43:43Speaker 06

  I thought, I thought you were inviting me as a friend.

• 43:46Speaker 03

  Well, then I'm not paying for you to be a friend. Do you want the free package where you're an influencer? Or do you want the friend package where you just come along?

• 43:55Speaker 06

  I think you would invite a friend for free.

• 43:58Speaker 03

  This

• 43:58Speaker 06

  Especially on his birthday.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's true. But I think what we're saying here is if you have to fly yourself to Sydney, you're probably not going to go.

• 44:05Speaker 03

  Is he in Sydney?

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Secret location.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  Will we have the honey ready to taste? At this stage, I can say yes. I can say yes. November 10th, the honey will be there. I will be there.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  If it's in Melbourne, I will travel back.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  If it's in Melbourne, I'll travel back. Bees there, because I think there's, I don't think you can just bring a bee, not just ship a bag of bees from New Zealand. But we might have a live satellite cross to some of the bees.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  Well, that sounds fun.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, there'll be some, there'll be some other stuff too.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Surprises.

• 44:48Speaker 06

  That has been a good update, because things have happened.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  Things have happened. Money's being paid out. And where do you think the equipment for the satellite cross comes from? That's not going to be free. So the business is now operating. Obviously at a loss, um, for the first bit of it. But, um, then once the honey starts flowing, things should, um, things should turn around. So bloody exciting.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  Also, oh, also, I forgot, sorry, the other thing that went out in the newsletter is, um,

• 45:12Speaker 02

  The one that's gone out or the one that you will forget to put out?

• 45:15Speaker 03

  The one that's gone out, the one that's heading on out the door. I'm just putting the finishing touches on it. I'll write this in now as I remember it.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  We, you will have the chance to name a bee after, you will be able to buy naming rights to one of the bees and one of the hives. No, no, you don't buy the bee, we own the bee, but you, you've named the bee.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  It's an NFB.

• 45:38Speaker 03

  You get a unique photo of the bee and a certificate with its name, signed by me, uh, 10 bucks for one of the regular bees and $20 on, on, for one of the strong bees at a high altitude.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  I'll take 10.

• 45:52Speaker 03

  Great, given as a present.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  Let's just help with the satellite cross cost and stuff.

• 46:03Speaker 01

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