344 - Hamish's Glory Days

After a hiatus, Hamish returns to his so-called “Glory Days” - this time as a coach. Andy shares a workplace pizza order that takes a bizarre turn, while a Gusto Check puts a nursery owner’s patience to the test. Plus, Jack is put on the spot about the long-awaited board game and his negotiations with Brisbane Ben. 1. Hamish is back skating 2. World Cup pizza delivery 3. Gusto Check - Craig from Oakdale Plants and Bulbs 4. Jack’s board game negotiations

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  Ahoy to me Gem, Hamish.

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  Thank you. I, I don't know what I can to find out that I'm one of your gems is a sweet compliment. Could we be, hmm, tough. First thing that comes into my mind, which would be unlikely for a few reasons, is pet names that our friend Ryan has had for the family dog, but they only had one dog. It was called Gem. Yeah, they never had any more dogs. So I don't know what you guys would be. And I don't know how interesting it would be for the listeners.

• 0:56Speaker 02

  No, it's not that, nor is it subsidiary digital television channels.

• 1:01Speaker 03

  Oh, that would be good.

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  That would be good one though.

• 1:03Speaker 03

  That's probably would have been easier than this. Obviously referring to nine Gem or 10 Peach. Is that still going?

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  Are they still?

• 1:12Speaker 03

  Um, no.

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  They're still around.

• 1:13Speaker 03

  I don't think Peach is still around.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  It'd be easier to keep them going than wrap them up, wouldn't it?

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  Just put it on loop.

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  I think you should put it on loop.

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  Yeah.

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  Just run the nanny.

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  10 Peach is probably.

• 1:23Speaker 02

  I've said it before, I'll say it again, it holds up.

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  In between the cube.

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  No, ahoy to my Pereira. Ahoy.

• 1:32Speaker 03

  It's very difficult for this one, but you've really been told to do a mixture of easies and hards. We've had a few hards in a row.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  We've also had a couple of double ups. That was a complaint that came in.

• 1:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, a couple of double ups. I heard just of one.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  No, there's been a few.

• 1:45Speaker 03

  Really?

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  And because we have.

• 1:47Speaker 03

  Which one was your double up that you?

• 1:49Speaker 02

  I think the Drama Dairies one was a double up.

• 1:51Speaker 03

  Someone said camels and another one was a, were double ups.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  Oh, there was the egos.

• 1:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. The eed, the super eed, yeah.

• 1:59Speaker 03

  Well, guys, we really need to look into that, don't we?

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Because Podcast Mike, who's, you know, no longer with the show, he's still alive.

• 2:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  Um, no longer with us as a team.

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  As we record this.

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  To the best of our knowledge, he remains alive.

• 2:12Speaker 03

  Yes.

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  Um, thoughts and prayers, should it, you know, we not get that right?

• 2:16Speaker 03

  Don't say that because then what if something happens to him?

• 2:18Speaker 02

  I think it's pretty likely he'll remain alive between now and a few days from now when this goes out.

• 2:24Speaker 03

  It'd be weird to kind of step into the air.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  But now that you've brought it up, now you're freaking us out. It's probably on you, Jack, that made it real.

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  Yeah, I reckon.

• 2:31Speaker 02

  I didn't jinx it, you did.

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  I hope to God you don't have blood on your hands because I think you jinxed it.

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  Shall we call him?

• 2:39Speaker 02

  No, no, he's alive now, but I'm just saying, in a couple of days when this goes to air.

• 2:44Speaker 03

  Don't do anything dangerous for the next three days.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  Are you skydiving this week or? Jack jinxed you and it, you probably will make it to Thursday, but we're worried you won't.

• 2:54Speaker 02

  And of course, as well as the tragedy of you, your life being cut so short.

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  Yeah.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  There'd be the tragedy of us looking insensitive by having outdated content on a podcast. And since your nickname was Podcast Mike, we know how upsetting that would be for you. Anyway, what I was saying is Podcast Mike, who used to famously spend 20 hours a week putting these together. Then, then Lizzie's come on the team. She's, as part of her portfolio, she's doing it and isn't.

• 3:21Speaker 02

  I think it's just unlucky for her that she's straight into territory that Mike had straight into.

• 3:25Speaker 03

  Well, maybe, and then maybe it wasn't documented as thoroughly as it should have been.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  I don't think he wrote it down.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  By her predecessor.

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  I think, I think, I think Podcast Mike was no note keeping Mike. And he, he was just all up top Mike.

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  Yeah.

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  And she's waded into this mess of a system. Oh, he spent the full 20 hours a week thinking of them.

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  Yeah.

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  And just when he was going to go write them down, his buzzer went off and he's like, well, I'm out of time. I can't write them down.

• 3:53Speaker 03

  Exactly. Uh, anyway, you're doing great. You were cleaning it up, Lys. No one, we definitely haven't had this one. I am Wingfield.

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  We are.

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  Code names.

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  I forgot the others. Gem.

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  Yep.

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  He'd be Harry Gem.

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  Harry Gem?

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  Yeah.

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  Are there last names of people?

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  Yeah. Ogario Pereira and Walter Clopton Wingfield. I have no idea what this is.

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  Go for it. The, the, the top naval commanders of World War One.

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  They are the inventors of something. We've been talking about how at prime riskles here, there was invention of a certain type of this game.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  They invented tennis.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  They invented tennis.

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  Really?

• 4:34Speaker 03

  Three man job.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Well, you know, this is sort of reminds me of the board game debacle, but you're in at the moment.

• 4:41Speaker 03

  Funny you say that. Walter, which is me, Wingfield, he is noted as being the inventor of tennis.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  Who's Brisbane Ben?

• 4:53Speaker 03

  Gem and Pereira actually invented it. Wingfield just patented it.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  I'll take that in for you guys. Leave it with me.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  I'll get it straight to the post office. You head to the pub for celebration drinks.

• 5:07Speaker 03

  So maybe Jack, you're the Wingfield in this scenario with Ben.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  I'm sure, I'm sure someone's done a book on it. Like, I'm sure it was written down. You'd just love to know who came up with what.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  Well, historians, I've got one quote here. Historians generally agree that all three played an important role in the sport.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  I still want to know what he ca, I still want to know who went, what about a net? What about if you have to hit it over something? Because it seems a bit easy just with these lines on the ground. Probably make it a little trickier.

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  Well, and then if one guy's like, oh, maybe the net should be a centimeter shorter, I've contributed as well.

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  Wingfield, mate, we know what you're doing. Stop trying to put your name on the patent.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  What if I specifically just dictate how wide the stitching of the net should be, mate? We thought of this game. Was it called tennis when they registered it or was it called like?

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  Well, they didn't register it. They didn't register it. He is the first. Wingfield's the first person to apparently register and patent lawn tennis in 1874. And then it was that that helped popularise the, uh, popular, popularise the game internationally. According to Wingfield, that is PR taking.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  Jack, you got a patent. We need to file some patents to protect you from Ben.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. But it's clear that Gem and Pereira got together on it.

• 6:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, I feel like they would have been like the Lennon McCartney, like the engine of it.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  And we're going Beatles lawyer.

• 6:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, um, apparently Pereira had the idea for the rackets.

• 6:47Speaker 02

  Okay. So this is what I'm interested in.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a, that's a huge part of tennis.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  But did badminton already exist?

• 6:53Speaker 03

  Um, great question.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Don't worry, Andy. Like, it's his favourite subject. He's not just quickly reading a Wikipedia.

• 7:01Speaker 03

  I, guys, I must admit I have exhausted the facts. I have pre-written facts.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  Can I come clean to you? I am not a tennis historian. It is me and your friend Andy Lee.

• 7:19Speaker 03

  Ahoy also to Gus, who comes in to us from the Southern Highlands. I think you're, did your wife crap in the Southern Highlands?

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's where it's at. OG, born and bred, Bundanoon. Shout out New South Wales.

• 7:30Speaker 03

  Well, Gus is knocking about down there and he went to hamishandandy.com to tell us what he's up to.

• 7:35Speaker 04

  Ahoy, Hamish, Andy and the Duke of Weasel Town, Jack Post. Gus here sending much gusto your way.

• 7:42Speaker 03

  What's it go?

• 7:42Speaker 04

  Currently getting some corn for the cows in the beautiful Southern Highlands.

• 7:46Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 7:47Speaker 04

  On my third or fourth rerun through the pod, just want a clarification from Mr. Post. Have you returned Magic Mike's golf jumper and have Hamish and Andy received their new ones? It's been a couple of years since this has happened, so surely you're not holding on to them. Thanks, boys. Every Thursday have a great laugh. Keep up the good work.

• 8:08Speaker 03

  On your gas.

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  Well, legend.

• 8:09Speaker 03

  I brought, I played a round of golf with Mike and returned his jacket. And then as I was doing so, we said, why don't we play for the jacket? And I actually won it back very square.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  I did not know that.

• 8:23Speaker 03

  I put it up on Instagram, but I never, I forgot to come back here and tell you that I am now the legal owner of the jacket.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  I will have to verify that with Mike.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 8:33Speaker 03

  Incredible. Great. Well, wow. Nice, nice gust for Tim and, and thank you for going. Well, we said he worked his way through a number of times, but we do prefer people going back to the start. It's our preferred method of consumption. We know some people are fast and loose, but thank.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  I would love, we'd love the gust method though. Do it four times. Keep lapping it, keep lapping it. Um, I mean, we forget what's in the shows clearly. The amount of times we do things we've done before. So trust us, once you get to the end, go back eight years, you'll forget. Just keep lapping it. I've got some exciting news for you. Interesting that we're talking about, um, sports to start the show. Because I have, after a hiatus, returned to what I think you guys would easily term my glory days. I'm back doing something.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  Donnarumma?

• 9:26Speaker 02

  No, haven't picked up archery, still thinking about getting the compound bow, waiting to get right back into archery. I'm back doing something that I'm very well known for and now I'm doing it in a coaching capacity. Rollerblading. Yeah, rollerblading. He's back.

• 9:41Speaker 03

  Wow. Oh, wow. Famously, was one of your last rollerblades with Vance Joy?

• 9:48Speaker 02

  My last time I rollerbladed, when I rollerbladed with Vance Joy. I know there's one time on Lego Masters where I had to be a vampire. And I said, get me rollerblades and I'll, I'll glide through the back of shot. But that was about five years ago and I just, I did only skate and I got tangled in the cape and I fell over.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:04Speaker 02

  So I haven't really seriously bladed since the year 2000.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  Wow.

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  And I find myself back in the skates.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  Well, I sent you a video not long ago because they play roller hockey near where Beck and I are living at the moment. And I sent him, because him used to play roller hockey. And so I sent him a video saying, hey, there's a, there's a game, there's a scratch match going down here. If you're in the area to come down and roll and hawk it up, as you used to say to me.

• 10:34Speaker 03

  How do field hockey players look at roller hockey players?

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  Jealous?

• 10:38Speaker 03

  Jealous.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  The deepest of respect.

• 10:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, interesting. Is it cooler than field hockey?

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Both are very cool.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  It is. Carly's going, yes, it is.

• 10:50Speaker 02

  It's cooler than field hockey.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  Cooler than field hockey. That rarely.

• 10:53Speaker 02

  Was an interesting one because you wore all the pads. You wore all the pads of ice skating. I mean, there's no specific roller hockey gear. It's such a niche market, but it's essentially ice hockey. But on a netball court with a collapsible padded fencing system that you can, um, a guy called Mike can pack up at the end of the day and put it in a storage container and he gets paid 30 bucks to come early and set it up each week. But that's how.

• 11:17Speaker 03

  Was it a puck or a ball?

• 11:18Speaker 02

  Ball. You can have both. No, we actually use a puck. Like it kind of, it kind of slides along on the ground. Yeah, the puck. But you use ice hockey gear.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  Ball, the one I.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  You can also use a ball. It's not as fun, not as authentic.

• 11:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  You, you use the ice hockey gear, but you, it's non-contact.

• 11:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, you don't check each other, do you?

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Like ice hockey is the fullest contact sport you can possibly imagine, but you meant to not really touch each other in roller hockey. Anyway, so that was the year 2000 for me. I've briefly talked about my relationship with rollerblading before. Got into it mid nineties, back when we thought, okay, skateboarding and rollerblading.

• 11:55Speaker 03

  It was neck and neck for a bit there.

• 11:56Speaker 02

  Neck and neck. There, there was probably one year about 1994, where like, these are the two coolest wheeled pastimes.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  You turn on the X Games, just as much coverage for the inline as it would be for skateboarding. I placed my bet.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:11Speaker 02

  I backed the wrong horse.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Um, but I had unfortunately just mastered the motor skills needed for rollerblading.

• 12:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  And I couldn't be bothered starting from scratch on roller, on skateboarding. We always dreamed of a day when skateboarding would die out, or at least rollerblading would come back. As the nineties wore on, it just seemed like rollerblading was hanging in there, but not doing great. Then I doubled down, as we mentioned in year 2000, I doubled down, went maybe roller hockey is the way back in.

• 12:40Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  That also sort of faded away. Shocked actually when, first I'd ever heard of it in decades when you mentioned it, that they were playing it near your house. However, recently for my daughter's birthday, I took her and a friend ice skating.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  And it awoke within them. They're like, this is really fun. This is fun. I like ice skating. But ice skating, it was at, there's a temporary rink in winter in Bondi.

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  Part of the winter festival, Bondi is not a place you think of as having a winter festival. It's quite a summer associated place. And it does have a warmer climate and the rink, I don't know if it was because it was the last week that we went, the rink, rink was a giant puddle. It had melted a lot. So you're skating through like three centimeters of water. And.

• 13:29Speaker 03

  But still enough for them to get the thirst.

• 13:31Speaker 02

  Well, there is ice under there, so you are sliding along, but anytime you fall over, you're just saturated.

• 13:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  And so as an adult who's, like ice skating is a pretty similar thing to rollerblading. But when you get on, you're like, oh mate, this is, and I love that my chance is here because the rental ice skates are the worst pieces of shit of all time. They are two, basically it's like they've got two sand buckets from the beach and just put metal on the bottom. And you're just rattling around in these things hoping not to tear your knee.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  I'd imagine in Australia even more so, because Beck and I went for an ice skate in New York la- last, last winter. And they seem like they had a fairly good gear setup, but I'd imagine.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Ice skating culture. We didn't have an ice skating culture in Australia. Anyway, so I've gone to the girls. Tell you what, if you, rather than us trying to do this, there's like one place to do it. Who's interested in, would you guys want to learn how to skate? Huge response. So it's Ru and her two friends, right? Now Ru's last name is obviously Blake. The other two surnames are J and P. So it's P B and J Skate Club. They're like, okay, well, this is huge. I'll coach you girls. We're going to start this. Good news for me is this means an avalanche of gear I can buy, get myself skates. I'm like, this is, this is going to be terrific. My skates came.

• 14:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, during the week.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  Zoe was busy. Zoe's often busy, my wife. She has a lot on. She works from home. When she came upstairs, like she came from like sort of the garage area into the kitchen and found me gliding effortlessly.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  The kitchen.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  I think as a husband, we always like to be able to make our wife say, oh my God. Sometimes she can say it in a really excited way. That's the dream.

• 15:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the dream.

• 15:18Speaker 02

  This was not one of the excited, oh my God. This was, this was a sad, oh my God.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  I'll still take it. Still make my wife say, oh my God.

• 15:25Speaker 03

  If you have to read it out in court, yeah, it's transferred and whatever tone you want.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  And was she, how did she feel? Well, let you be the judge mate. When I say she looked at me and said, oh my God. Anyway, last night, the first skate club at the netball courts.

• 15:42Speaker 03

  Great.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  Near our place or near the kid's school. So I'm like, guys.

• 15:45Speaker 03

  You know, some netball courts have like a, like a, almost a rubber or is it just, because it does asphalt?

• 15:50Speaker 02

  No, it feels, it's smooth. These are good quality netball courts. There's, there's 12 of them because I was like, everyone's like, where are we going to do this? Yep. The girls are keen. How do we do this? So they've all got like, you know, either borrowed or found or, you know, I've got skates. We're all committed. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to be the coach. And I was like, I didn't, you know, I drive past these netball courts during the day and I'm like, no one's ever using these things. There's 12 netball courts that's obviously been put in the wrong spot. So I'm like, this is where we're going to do skate club. Pick the girls up from school. We go there. There's one netball team using the courts, but we're like, they were like, yeah, we'll just pick a court. So we get on a court, we're sort of putting skates on, learning the basics. Then another netball team turns up. They're like, oh, sorry.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  I was like, yeah, no worries. We'll just move over to this court, move over to that court. Then like two or three more netball teams turn up. And they're like, we're on this court. And I'm thinking to myself, just go to another court. Stop kicking us off this court. Like, there's enough courts for everyone.

• 16:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. Now there's a system, isn't there?

• 16:45Speaker 02

  We move. Then a few more netball teams turn up and they go, oh, sorry, we've got training on this court at four o'clock. And I'm like, well, you know, I think there's a few other courts up there because by this time I'm moving all the gear.

• 16:57Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  And they're like, yeah, but we booked it. Like, and I was like, is there a booking system? Is there? Yeah, we're, we're court eight. It's like, sorry, our whole school's booked all of these courts. Like, I'll just let you know. And these, she was probably like, you know, a year 12.

• 17:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  I was like, okay. So court five, we haven't booked. There's like some guys playing basketball up on court five. Who were, we sort of all had to move up to court five. There's now like 200 girls playing netball. And I'm realising these courts are empty during the day.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, when you drive past.

• 17:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, but after school.

• 17:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  It's heaving. But I quickly went from being the hero with my little class of three girls who were really impressed by my rollerblading. To now when you're rollerblading around as a grown man.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  I, I, like, I'm rollerblading and now there's like 200 or so high schoolers, like all playing netball and really good, like doing drills. And I hear a few whispers like, it's Amish, like Amish Sandy Lego Masters.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  And also the most humiliating bit was because I left all the bags and I was like, come on girls, because they're brand new at skating. So they're waddling like ducks. I get them on court five and I have to do admittedly a cool fast skate back to get all our gear. But when it's just me, like not near these nine year old girls.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  This is skate rollerblading. It was rollerblading. I felt like I was nude. I actually felt like I'd been up and I was naked at school.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  What am I doing in front of these people?

• 18:35Speaker 03

  What a challenge for you. I mean, it's an oxymoron to say you had to do a cool fast skate. Like that's, that's impossible.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  I'm like, still got it, Blake. So then I look up expecting to see impressed high schoolers. And I think it was like, there was definitely confusion, but maybe pity.

• 18:54Speaker 02

  Still, I'll do it. I'll do what it takes. Coach is in. I'm back.

• 19:03Speaker 03

  Guys, this happened months ago, but obviously wild scenes during the World Cup, right? And I know there's a lot of things that happened, but I think this is the wildest. My brother and I decided to, we were close to our production company and then his offices are close by. So we decided that we'd have a joint party for the Australia match and order pizzas for the whole, like, everybody.

• 19:26Speaker 02

  Great.

• 19:26Speaker 05

  The knockout one?

• 19:27Speaker 03

  The Paragai game, the third one. Yeah. So it was like a midday kind of game in Australia.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  And so we've put an order in, and I won't say the, the company, but it's, it's a known franchise company, not one of the big, not one of the big ones, not a Pizza Hut, not at that level, but just.

• 19:44Speaker 02

  Yep. But more than one store, not Luca.

• 19:47Speaker 03

  Yep, no, not Luca. So we've put the order in and we put it in really early because we thought a lot of people will want to have pizzas. Let's get it in early. We've got the ovens here at the, the offices so we can keep them warm.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  Great.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  Halftime, bang, we're organised. No word from them. And it was one of those ones where you, it was a delivery, but we hadn't used an app or anything. So there was no tracking or anything. We'd called it in.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  No word from them.

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Very nineties, isn't it? I mean, even 2000s, I suppose. But what, God, we just put so much faith in deliveries back in the day. And like Uber Eats was always coming. It had to be always coming because it was the ultimate, it was so easy to just order 10 pizzas to someone's house.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  Because the whole system operated on trust and, you know, they put callbacks in a little bit later, but it was wide open. Was it just a huge trust system?

• 20:40Speaker 03

  We thought they'd arrive around the start of the game. We kind of left ourselves a 40 minute buffer. Midway through the first half, they know where to be seen. And we're getting close to, it's going to be like a 1.30 now, 2 o'clock. And I was a bit worried. So we, we call. It rings out. Call again. Go straight to message bank.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Do you pay with a credit card or are you going to pay cash?

• 21:01Speaker 03

  Already paid and the money has come out.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  So in between calling, it rang out and then the next call, they've turned off their system. So we're like, oh, okay.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  So someone's there.

• 21:14Speaker 03

  So someone's there. So I said.

• 21:16Speaker 05

  I know, but sometimes, you know, sometimes you ring and then if you ring too fast, it's like the phone doesn't, it's not ready again and you get the message bank. Haven't you ever noticed that?

• 21:24Speaker 03

  That's when someone's trying to ring you back, I think, and you get them on their message bank.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  It's a machine, Jack. Like it's.

• 21:31Speaker 05

  There's something to that. I think if you try and call back too fast, you can sometimes get their message.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  Again, I just sung the whole song. I just sang all the rings. I'm breathless.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  So I said to Cam, let's get, let's got to get in the car. Got to get in the car and go check this out because a lot, it had become halftime and, you know, 40 staff members are sitting there going.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  We were promised pizza.

• 21:52Speaker 05

  You announced pizza already.

• 21:54Speaker 03

  You were to announce pizza, everyone.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  Oh, boy. Yep. And it's, announcing pizza in a social situation is exciting, but it's not the end of the world. You don't get a piece of pizza in a social situation. Not that you prefer to, but in a work situation, if you're promised pizza, you better get pizza.

• 22:11Speaker 03

  And people were told, don't bring your lunch.

• 22:12Speaker 05

  Yes, that's the part.

• 22:13Speaker 03

  That's it's pizzas. So we drive up and I kind of park illegally quite close to the pizza store, probably like three car spaces down. And there's about 13 Uber drivers, Uber Eats drivers out the front. And they're all kind of knocking on the window. That's a bad sign. And my brother gets out, he runs up and I see him go to the, my brother's big in stature, as in tall and, and strong. And yet he goes to the door and he starts banging.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  Yes, right.

• 22:46Speaker 05

  Maybe we weren't banging hard enough.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  So then I see Cam trying to put his shoulder into the door.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Elevated into a looting situation so fast.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  Andy, help me flip this VW. Let's light it on fire. They'll have to make pizza men.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  So what's going on? So now, what happens now is not an eyewitness account. This is what, an account of what Cam explains to me has happened when he returns to the car flustered.

• 23:19Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 23:19Speaker 03

  Right. He barges in.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  Was there someone in there? I was like, he got into the shop or he could get into the car?

• 23:26Speaker 03

  And I said, why was it taking so much force? He said, they had barricaded it with chairs and tables, the front door.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  And but why did it, why did it slip to anger so fast? Like, was the guy in there slowly eating pizza in front of everyone? Like, like a kid at primary school was licking their mouth.

• 23:41Speaker 05

  Had your name on the front of the pizza, so you knew it was yours.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  Just throwing money in the air and eating everyone's pizzas.

• 23:47Speaker 03

  And Cam said, we could see a guy in there, but he was kind of trying to hide.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Barricaded it.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  He's barricaded the front door, but not locked it. So I, I kind of had to shove him to get an answer because we had 40 staff that we had promised a lunchtime pizza to. So I've got in and there's a chairs kind of scared. This kid, he's in the corner. And the guy's like, I'm really sorry. I'm really sorry. And Cam's like, yeah, we just need some answers, like some communication. I'm not, I'm not here to have a fighty thing.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, we had broken and ended, but now, now it's peaceful.

• 24:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. And the kid comes around the corner, he goes, the oven's broken. I don't know what to do. The oven's broken.

• 24:34Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  And Cam goes, well, where's the manager? And the kid said, he's fled.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  He's fled.

• 24:45Speaker 02

  Leaving this guy alone on the barricades to face a starving army.

• 24:51Speaker 03

  It's maybe a 17 year old kid just there going, I'm sorry, but he's fled. Now, I've never heard of that.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Fled is also so funny because he, if you flee, you can't go home. Like, where did he go? Is he hiding in a park? Is he just heading for the state line?

• 25:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. So Cam's like, oh, that's fine. We'll order different pizzas. We've paid for it though. And then Cam looks round and he's got 13 grateful Uber drivers, understanding what's happening.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's no like broken the barricade.

• 25:20Speaker 03

  They're like, okay, we'll cancel, we'll cancel. And they're like, you couldn't, shouldn't have done this. You've got to tell us, et cetera, et cetera. But Cam comes back to the car with that exact story. And I just love the idea that this pizza manager is still on the run.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  He's somewhere. Yeah. Cause you, you can't flee home. Like, I just don't think you can flee home. I think you have fled involves.

• 25:41Speaker 03

  The problem is going to, it's going to catch, you're the manager. So it's going to catch up with you eventually, unless you are on the run forever.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  It will, it will. I mean, I was thinking, I was like, is this a scam where someone's just gone, hey, listen, we only get one crack at this, but we wait till a big pizza day.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  We take all the orders and we flee.

• 26:00Speaker 05

  And when, and when Andy called with the order of 40, they said, this is the day.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  Today's the day. Today's the day. Guys, we're getting out of here with 22.

• 26:08Speaker 05

  Pizza shop just never exists.

• 26:11Speaker 02

  Getting out of here with 2200 bucks. What about the doors? They auto lock. We'll barricade them. They'll hold them off back for a while.

• 26:24Speaker 03

  Hey, it's time for another one of these.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  After, we've mentioned this before, but it, it always strikes me as a low gusto.

• 26:43Speaker 03

  And well, this was after we were accused of lacking gusto by a client on the show. Someone sponsoring the show gave the feedback to our bosses here, saying that the boys just came back lacking a little gusto.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 26:56Speaker 03

  To which we took offence, but have been gusto checking each other.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  But then we did have emails coming in saying how happy they were with our gusto.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:04Speaker 02

  Except one person was lacking gusto and it turned out to be Jack.

• 27:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't remember it that way.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  So we thought, if you'd like us to check your business.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  Please nominate yourself or a family member and we will do a cold call just to check the amount of gusto you have when you're working, as we were judged upon ours.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  Do you know what? Gusto does make the world go round because the gusto is everything that's sort of unquantifiable past the bare minimum.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  If you had a person in your head, you know, from, from history that personified it, I've got one. Who do you think it would be?

• 27:39Speaker 02

  I mean, Truman from The Truman Show?

• 27:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Not from history, but Jim Carrey certainly, I mean, Jim Carrey in general is high gusto for a lot of his characters.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  I was going to go with Steve Irwin.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. Perfect gusto. Yeah.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Like this, that thing of going, it's, it's everything else apart from the actual words that are being said. On the other end of the scale, for anyone that's ever travelled to America and met someone in a service job, no gusto whatsoever. Just legally saying the things that I'm required to say as I stand here and I'm furious that I've not only had to turn up to work, but interact with a customer.

• 28:17Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  That is the lowest gusto you'll ever find, especially at airports.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  A customs officer.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  If you find someone with gusto at a customs officer in the United States, it is such a shock to the system if someone goes.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  Sad because you know they'll get it beaten out of them. Over time, over time it will ebb away. But we love, we love it when we come across people with good gusto because it does, it's a day maker. When you talk to someone, actually a shout out to a local, I mean, no one really, except our mate Pat, knows who I'm talking about here, but Marcelo.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Marcelo, local barista, insane gusto. Next time you're in Sydney, I've got to just take you to his coffee shop. Oh my God. He's Brazilian. Everything's fantastic. Just deeply in love with life.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  I think South America as a whole has pretty good gusto.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  I'm on the highest gusto continent. You're right.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  I know, I'm just generalising, but yeah, I mean, Carnival, they, they get it.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  What is that if not a gusto check? An annual dancing gusto check on the whole of Rio.

• 29:16Speaker 03

  City. Yeah.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  And this comes in from Jared and he's nominated his father-in-law. And he said, and his father-in-law is Craig. Craig runs a nursery in Tassie called Oakdale Plants and Bulbs.

• 29:32Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  Now Jared's like, look, Craig's a lovely guy, retired school teacher, legend, salt of the earth. But running a nursery keeps him incredibly busy. And some of the callers do test his patience.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  He, he deals with some quite frustrating phone calls from people who, you know, for example, don't know their annuals from their perennials.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  Oh, I don't.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  Yes, I don't either. For a second, I thought the perennial was near the.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  I was like, I know what an annual and a perennial is. Or do I know what its cousins are?

• 30:15Speaker 05

  Your perennials are your-

• 30:17Speaker 03

  Seasonal.

• 30:18Speaker 05

  Seasonal, yeah.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  But so are your annuals, just flower annually?

• 30:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:22Speaker 03

  So a bulb would be an annual because they're the ones that come out and then receive. But perennials, I suppose, are there all the time.

• 30:28Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 30:28Speaker 03

  That'd be my guess.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  I guess so. Well, here's my thing. This is not what we normally do in the gusto check. It's a slightly different one. I mean, normally it's very down the line. Like if we're calling an optometrist, it's like, what glasses do you have? Why should I come and visit you? This seems like one where we have to think of things that are deliberately frustrating.

• 30:46Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  Like, do you have any evergreen trees that still go orange for a bit, but the leaves don't fall off?

• 30:52Speaker 05

  Yep. Or are you just not knowing stuff? Like the perennial example is perfect.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 30:58Speaker 05

  If you, if you just don't know.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  I'm not sure if I want a perennial or an annual.

• 31:03Speaker 05

  Cause I don't even know the difference.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Is there a difference? Is there a difference?

• 31:07Speaker 05

  Is there a difference? Yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  Is there a difference?

• 31:12Speaker 02

  Um, and is there a difference between a bulb and a seed?

• 31:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, great.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  Cause he does, I think that, is it, has it got bulbs in the name?

• 31:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:19Speaker 05

  Oakdale Plants and Bulbs.

• 31:21Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  That's, oh, maybe what's the difference between a plant and a bulb?

• 31:26Speaker 05

  Great.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  Cause are they the same thing?

• 31:28Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  Plant and a bulb, uh. What, all right. And then like a general greeting? I mean, do we go with five here?

• 31:36Speaker 03

  I think we just go the three there. I think, I think those two questions are great.

• 31:40Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  And then we go the hello and goodbye.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 31:43Speaker 03

  So it doesn't go forever. That's fantastic. All right. You got the number, Jack?

• 31:47Speaker 05

  I've got the number. You ready, Ham?

• 31:49Speaker 02

  Yep. I'm thinking of coming down, sprucing up. I guess I'm just, yeah, doing the small courtyard.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  Now, are you gonna say you're new to gardening? Or you're just gonna go in with, I know a fair bit about gardening and then ask dumb questions?

• 32:04Speaker 02

  I probably, yeah, I think you gotta go, probably, yeah, I'm, I'm experienced, but help me out with a couple of these.

• 32:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's good. That's good.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Great.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  Um, okay.

• 32:13Speaker 05

  Uh, here we go.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  Hello? Oh yeah, is that Oakdale Plants and Bulbs?

• 32:27Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Oh, lovely. Um, uh, my name's Bryley. What's, what's your name?

• 32:32Speaker 06

  Craig.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  Craig, good to meet you, mate. Hey, um, I've got a courtyard. I've just moved into a new place. It's got a courtyard, not a lot of plant life in it. Um, pretty sure I know what I'm doing. Got some ideas. But, um, just wondering, before I make the trek down, I'm just thinking, is, is there a difference between perennials and annuals?

• 32:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, annuals really last only the one season. Perennials should come back year after year.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  And then the annuals come back annually?

• 33:08Speaker 06

  Well, annuals generally die off and then you need to replant them again next year.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  So they some, I thought they sometimes survived and they might come back.

• 33:18Speaker 06

  Like pansies, for example, they're, you can call them an annual, I suppose, but they'll reseed.

• 33:25Speaker 02

  But they're also a perennial.

• 33:26Speaker 06

  But it's not, well, it's not the same plant that comes back. They, the, the plant probably dies, but they throw out a lot of seed that grow fairly easily on their own. So they come back as new plants.

• 33:38Speaker 02

  Hmm. But so it sort of is the same plant, isn't it? So, so they're, they're, they're both, are they? A perennial and an annual?

• 33:44Speaker 06

  Well, they're not, it's not the same physical plant. It's the same variety. Right. Plant, so the plant grows, obviously has a flower, the flowers drop seeds. That plant will die and so the new seeds will come back. So you've got the same variety of plant, but an actual different physical plant, if you get what I mean.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  How do you know where one plant stops and the next one begins though?

• 34:06Speaker 06

  Oh, well, that's a good question.

• 34:09Speaker 02

  So it could be the same plant.

• 34:11Speaker 06

  Well, possibly, but anyway.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  Okay. Oh, and the only other, um, your plants and bulbs, what, what, what's the difference between a plant and a bulb?

• 34:22Speaker 06

  Well, bulbs have a, like a tuber that grows underneath the ground and that sends the flower out. Whereas a plant grows and it, it's, it has roots underneath.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  But they're both underground and above ground.

• 34:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  So are they the same thing again?

• 34:40Speaker 06

  Well, no, a, a bulb is, is different than a, like a tree obviously grows with a trunk and roots underneath the ground. Yeah. A bulb grows for, it has a storage bulb underneath the ground. That's where all its energy comes from. You've seen tulip bulbs and daffodil bulbs and that sort of thing?

• 34:56Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 34:58Speaker 06

  Right. Well, they're obviously different than, than a tree root, for example.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, you're right. What, um, what time do you guys shut?

• 35:06Speaker 06

  Uh, we're open, we're open by appointment.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  Oh, right. Okay. What, what, are you open at the moment?

• 35:11Speaker 06

  Uh, I'm here at the moment. Yep. So it's just at my house and we've got, we've got two and a half acres. Um, so I've got the nursery sort of down the bottom of the block.

• 35:20Speaker 02

  And, um, well, if I gave you a buzz, oh, do you reckon later in the week, you'd be open to showing me a few of these things?

• 35:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, sure. Yep.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  All right. Well, I'll, thanks for your help. Um, really appreciate it, Craig. I'll, I'll give you a buzz back.

• 35:33Speaker 06

  No worries.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 35:36Speaker 06

  Cheers, Hamish.

• 35:43Speaker 05

  Craig, when did you pick up on it?

• 35:46Speaker 06

  Just the sound of your voice at the last moment.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  I thought, I thought I heard the penny drop. Surely he hasn't done that. Surely he hasn't given me the whole trees and plants explanation.

• 35:57Speaker 06

  Bloody hell.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Um, Craig.

• 36:00Speaker 06

  Now I'm just about to go down and do some gardening and I get this.

• 36:03Speaker 05

  Craig, um, you were nominated by Jared.

• 36:07Speaker 06

  A good on you. Yeah, well done.

• 36:08Speaker 05

  And we were testing your patience in, it's a-

• 36:11Speaker 06

  Uh, uh, okay.

• 36:12Speaker 05

  We test different businesses and how they're customer facing.

• 36:17Speaker 03

  It was a gusto check.

• 36:18Speaker 05

  Um, gusto check.

• 36:20Speaker 06

  Didn't sound like a gusto check.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  Well, Craig, you know, it was a slightly different gusto check this time around. Craig, you're a retired school teacher. Why don't we let you grade yourself? And you've spent your whole professional life grading kids. How would you grade your performance with that man who did require some education?

• 36:41Speaker 06

  What, grading my patience?

• 36:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:44Speaker 06

  My patience, I'd give myself probably an eight or a nine out of 10.

• 36:47Speaker 05

  I had you as an eight as well.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  I think you did pretty well.

• 36:51Speaker 05

  It was great.

• 36:52Speaker 06

  Trying to work, I was trying to work out, you know, the bulbs and the trees, how are they different? Well, how can you not know that they're different?

• 36:57Speaker 05

  Yeah. Hey Craig, how, how many dumb questions were we away from you snapping? It felt like, it felt like you still had a few in you.

• 37:06Speaker 06

  No, look, I, I, I'm very, very unlikely to snap it, I would say.

• 37:10Speaker 03

  Oh, nice, mate.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  You work in an industry where really information is the gusto. You've got to help educate people for their gardening and I think it was very informative. I think, I think it was a lot of gusto.

• 37:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:22Speaker 06

  Very good.

• 37:23Speaker 05

  Yeah. Congratulations, Craig, mate. And we, uh, we will book an appointment if we do come down.

• 37:28Speaker 06

  No worries. Also, um, I'll come across and I'll have a game of golf.

• 37:32Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  Craig, gusto's off the charts here.

• 37:36Speaker 06

  If you want, if you want to book me into that, I'll be over.

• 37:38Speaker 05

  Yeah. Nice, Craig.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  Put him in, put him in your club.

• 37:41Speaker 05

  I'd happily have him. Yeah.

• 37:44Speaker 06

  Just give us a ring and I'll be over.

• 37:45Speaker 05

  Cheers, Craig. We got you, mate.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Well done. Fantastic. All right. This, gusto's off the charts.

• 37:50Speaker 06

  Okay. Cheers, boys.

• 37:51Speaker 05

  Cheers, mate.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  Thanks, mate.

• 37:52Speaker 06

  Thanks. Bye.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Hey, and before we wrap up, uh, today and also, um, get to the next, next bit, small little announcement. The animation, do not watch this show is on the BBC. So for anyone that is listening in the UK, you can watch it on CBeebies or BBC.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  BBC one?

• 38:15Speaker 03

  I, I think CBeebies is their kids.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  That would make more sense than it being like, you know, the bill straight into.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Straight into do not watch this show.

• 38:26Speaker 05

  Sunday 7.30, I'd imagine on BBC one.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 38:30Speaker 05

  I think so. Can I raise one flag? You say the, the bill going into, um, Andy's cartoon wouldn't make sense for a kid.

• 38:38Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 38:39Speaker 05

  We're watching this season of Lego Masters and we're a bit behind now. So we're catching up on the nine streaming app. You guys have got to change your ads that are inside a children's TV show. Because it will go like, we, we're watching-

• 38:52Speaker 02

  I'm just on the computer now. I was just, I was just, you've correctly assumed that it's me programming this.

• 38:59Speaker 05

  No, but you pass it on to the right person.

• 39:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I'm just redoing the code here. Delete, delete, delete. Okay. New line, C colon, C dos slash ads slash ad drive. What ad would you like run during Lego Masters?

• 39:13Speaker 05

  The Channel Nine promos, it'll go into like, so it'll go from you going like, after this, we're all gonna judge whose Lego's the best. And you're watching with a four-year-old.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  Oh, that's not gonna be easy. It is actually.

• 39:23Speaker 05

  Then it'll go to a 60 Minutes commercial.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  All right.

• 39:26Speaker 05

  And it'll go like, she was murdered in cold blood and they never found her killer.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  But I don't think it's, I don't think you could accuse, Ham, I think kids like Lego Masters, but it's not making-

• 39:35Speaker 05

  Kids are watching, kids are watching Lego Masters.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  They are, but I don't think-

• 39:38Speaker 02

  Fair enough. So delete, delete, delete. C dos run 60 min promo underscore delete underscore replace with-

• 39:50Speaker 03

  What ad would you like?

• 39:51Speaker 02

  Uh, Kellogg's?

• 39:53Speaker 05

  What's, like just something neutral. No, like, it can even be for Channel Nine, but just do like-

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Yep. Another show.

• 39:59Speaker 05

  Another show. That's hard to think what shows are on what channels, but you know, anything. The Block. Antiques Roadshow.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 40:05Speaker 05

  The Block.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Okay. So replace with block dot P X E.

• 40:09Speaker 05

  Antiques Roadshow, Channel Nine's biggest show.

• 40:13Speaker 05

  That's probably what's on 7.30 Sunday nights on the BBC. Come full circle.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Well, come full circle. So now I'm just uploading the file now. Upload, yes. Are you authorized to do this? Yes. Are you sure? Yes. Do you acknowledge that this will change all broadcasting across nine now platforms? Yes.

• 40:28Speaker 05

  No, no, families with young children will know what I'm talking about. They'll be nodding.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  Appreciate the feedback. It's not easy for me. And there's only two of us in there toting the entire back end of the whole thing.

• 40:37Speaker 05

  Cause you gotta, you gotta jump to the remote, get mute.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  No, I haven't seen arguing like this.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  I'm hearing the feedback. I'm hearing the feedback. It's really tough to program.

• 40:44Speaker 05

  I just don't believe you're passing it on.

• 40:45Speaker 03

  I haven't seen arguing like this since the rat and the bat in Do Not Watch This.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Right, Andy's got it back.

• 40:53Speaker 03

  On BBC. Uh, Hame, before we go.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  That should be fixed for you now, Jacko.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  Before we go, Jack, how have you gone with the negotiation with Brisbane Ben for the board game?

• 41:07Speaker 05

  God, it's been a week.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  Aren't you doing?

• 41:10Speaker 02

  That's, that's a long time.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  Aren't you doing the, isn't he flying down to this?

• 41:14Speaker 05

  He's flying down Saturday. Yeah.

• 41:16Speaker 02

  Are you looking at the sheet? Because I said, hey, at the end of the show, I want to talk about cat news. And you're now realising that that was a cover because we want to ask you about Brisbane Ben.

• 41:24Speaker 05

  So you don't need your cat meowing sound effect after all.

• 41:26Speaker 02

  I thought that would throw you off even more if I asked for a cat meowing sound effect.

• 41:31Speaker 05

  I haven't negotiated with Brisbane Ben yet.

• 41:34Speaker 03

  Do you think it's important to do that before he arrives on Saturday?

• 41:37Speaker 05

  He, he's actually been on my to do list all week. It's one of those things that I see and go, oh, that'll be a tough, uncomfortable conversation. So it keeps getting pushed.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  Maybe it'll get easier if I put it off.

• 41:46Speaker 05

  Hmm. Tomorrow will be the last day that I can put it off because then he comes Saturday and you would want the negotiation to happen before he gets here.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Oh, it's much easier beforehand. I mean, we've all seen the social network. Bit easier to negotiate this when it's a fun website rather than when it becomes a billion dollar.

• 42:05Speaker 05

  When it's successful.

• 42:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:07Speaker 05

  But what are you, cause I sat down a couple of times to go like, okay, this will be what I negotiate. This is my strategy. And then I just knew nothing about, like, what do you think I offer him?

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Well, that's up to you because it's coming from your third.

• 42:18Speaker 02

  I mean, it's.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not, it's not for us to say that would be so.

• 42:22Speaker 05

  But, and, and we're talking about, is in thirds, you guys only get a percentage of the profits, right? Cause if I'm outlaying money to like, make the cards, print the box.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:33Speaker 05

  Ship it to wherever it goes, et cetera.

• 42:38Speaker 03

  This is a new thing. So you think.

• 42:39Speaker 02

  Well, this is a different question. That, that would be.

• 42:42Speaker 03

  So you're going to manufacture it?

• 42:43Speaker 05

  Am I manufact-, am I making the whole game?

• 42:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, that'd be fun.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  I'd love to see you have to do that.

• 42:51Speaker 05

  I thought I was. That's why, that's why every time I look at the board game, I think.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Mate, why don't you want it on my plate? I've got my hands full with frigging honey business. So I've already got enough logistics going on in the background.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  See, Jack, this is news to me.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  The construction money for that, like, you know, the initial outline, the way a normal business would work is that's your startup cost. That gets paid back with the first money that comes in.

• 43:12Speaker 05

  Yeah. So you.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  Then it gets back to zero, then the, then anything after that would be a profit.

• 43:17Speaker 05

  Okay. And do you expect me to do that? Because I'll be honest, when I keep looking at the board game and why I asked for three years to make it is because I keep looking at like a to do list that's first make the game, the idea of it, then make the board, make the packaging, make this photo on the front.

• 43:34Speaker 02

  I'd like to nominate Jack two foot the costs.

• 43:39Speaker 05

  And I mean, you'll be. Just know, cause then it will never get made. You actually, you, you guys shouldn't use the, the joint fund to upfront the cost of the manufacturing.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  This is, this is so far from where I always thought we were doing that. But the fact that you've been thinking about it and going, now I need to make the board.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:55Speaker 05

  And I need to make the box that the board goes in.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  It's going to be the first board game that's on paper to save money.

• 44:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, you print it out. You just get a link to a PDF. You print it out at home.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  What you need to do, Jack, is just work out the deal with Brisbane Ben because we need to unpack this a lot more. Um, because Hame, we're then risking our brand.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 44:17Speaker 03

  By having an inferior product out there.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  If I feel like. If he was smart, he'd realise he does have a sort of a quality barrel there to go, if you want it done well, you guys have got to pay for the development.

• 44:26Speaker 05

  Yeah. Okay. So you guys, I'll put in a hundred percent effort into the making of the idea of the game.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  I mean, for a hundred percent effort. Sorry. Just in case you thought that was capital. No, effort. I mean, zero percent capital, but one hundred percent effort.

• 44:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think you're right. You, you guys pay for the manufacturing cost, but you get that back. You get that back.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Hang on. So is Brisbane Ben flying himself down?

• 44:47Speaker 05

  He's flying himself down.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  What, this is our thing, Jack. What does he expect? He keeps, you know, you've mentioned last time.

• 44:53Speaker 05

  I can't, I said, I said.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  He thinks it's his game.

• 44:55Speaker 05

  I said, can we chat this week? And then I, I haven't chatted to him yet. So he's aware there's a chat coming up. He doesn't know what it's about.

• 45:01Speaker 03

  What an update for next week. Not only has Jack either had the conversation or put it off, he will be at your house in the flesh with the game on Saturday.

• 45:10Speaker 05

  Jack, we're play testing.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  I don't think, I don't think you can look at it before he's, you've decided who owns it. Cause if he's bringing down.

• 45:18Speaker 03

  He's already looked, he's already looked at it though.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  If he's bringing down all, they're all his ideas, Jack. You can't look at it and then go.

• 45:23Speaker 05

  It's got a lot of flavour of my input as well.

• 45:27Speaker 05

  Is it that he's, I love the flavour. If this was a, a food test on MasterChef, a lot of the contestants would not be able to detect the flavour.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  I, it sounds a bit salty. My idea to put salt in it. But what worries me is, I think from last time it spoke, you said, hey, it's about Common Man Landia. And he's gone, yeah, cool. Well, I've developed the game around that concept. Hasn't used that title.

• 45:51Speaker 05

  Well, he didn't even say that. So even though it is the same concept, he goes, how funny is it that my game is sort of the same as the game you came up with? Again, giving him more, giving him more.

• 46:03Speaker 03

  Distance from.

• 46:03Speaker 05

  Distance from, yeah, but he's such a nice guy.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  If he comes in and plays hardball, we could be looking at a situation where it's a third Ben, a third Hamish, a third Andy. And the guy that was in charge of the project is on the sidelines, putting in a hundred percent effort to a project he's a hundred percent locked out of.

• 46:20Speaker 05

  I'm calling Ben on my way home today. He has, you're right. It is, it's lingered too long and I have to talk to him.

• 46:30Speaker 01

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