345 - Brisbane Ben Meets Board Game Jack

Hamish presents the boys with an opportunity to score an exclusive invite to a very special opening (not honey-related!). A Song Sleuth puts one of the boys’ favourite artists into question, while Hamish makes the case for outlawing grey underwear. After a playtest with Brisbane Ben, Jack reveals where things stand with the long-awaited board game, and Hamish gears up for the imminent Pizza for the People challenge. 1. Magic Mike's Special Invite 2. Song Sleuth 3. The Board Game Playtest 4. Grey Undies are a bad choice 5. Last Minute thoughts before the Pizza Challenge

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  Activate your internet because the Hamish and Andy podcast starts in three, two.

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  Sorry, still buffering. One.

• 0:23Speaker 02

  Ahoy to me Advance SP, Hamish.

• 0:28Speaker 03

  Thank you. It's not often that you use my correct title and I appreciate it, at least just for the top of the show. And then of course I'll put it behind me.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  Not that. In fact, we don't want to go to, you don't want to go down that path for the next one. Ahoy to me Micro, Jack.

• 0:46Speaker 03

  Ahoy. I mean, come on.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then I am the Pocket. The Pocket, the Micro, the Advance SP.

• 0:59Speaker 03

  I think, are we gaming systems?

• 1:01Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 1:01Speaker 03

  Like a Game Boy or like a.

• 1:03Speaker 02

  Oh, well done.

• 1:04Speaker 04

  Well done, boy.

• 1:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06Speaker 02

  Yes. The Pocket released in 1996, the smaller, lighter version of the original Game Boy.

• 1:12Speaker 03

  Yep. You could put that in your pocket, but it was a hefty, hefty lean. If it was a cargo pant, it would back you. No dramas.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Yes. A sharper monochrome screen they advertised in 1996.

• 1:24Speaker 03

  Colour?

• 1:24Speaker 02

  No, just sharper monochrome.

• 1:27Speaker 03

  We're still doing, we're still doing green and black, but sharpened it up.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Advance SP, released in 2003, the folding clamshell design, rechargeable battery. Front lit, back lit screen, depending on the model.

• 1:40Speaker 03

  People that are old enough to remember the original Game Boy, I was not lucky enough to have one, but I certainly saw others with them. And of course you coveted them deeply.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  And tried to befriend them in the playground for a chance to potentially watch them play or to have one go every six affairs.

• 1:55Speaker 03

  From my recollection, it was about 90 AA batteries that you needed in the game. It was so much.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. You couldn't travel internationally with one of them.

• 2:04Speaker 03

  It was so, it was so much. So rechargeable battery, you know, 15 years into its life would have been great.

• 2:09Speaker 02

  And then the youngest model, which obviously sits well with Jack here, the Micro, released in 2005. Very compact with interchangeable faceplates. So well done to all you three. Ahoy also to Emma from Scotland. Went to hamishnanny.com. Let us know what she's been up to.

• 2:25Speaker 05

  Ahoy, Hamish, Andy and number six. Emma from Scotland here. Long time listener. I did it the recommended way. I started at the beginning and powered my way through it. However, I've recently introduced my husband, Alan, to the podcast and have discovered he's much more fast and loose than I originally realised. As he's listening to some from 2018, some from now, some from anywhere in between. Anyway, I thought I'd send this message as a nice surprise to him whenever he gets to this episode, which could be anywhere from next week to six months' time. Anywho, thanks boys. Loving your work and very interested in some international B sponsorship, Ham. So keep up.

• 3:07Speaker 03

  Right then. Thank you.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 3:11Speaker 03

  And there's a lot of buzz on that front. I would look at Scotland for a highest hive situation, but again, very happy with our current locale.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  Yes, the recommended intake of the show is from start to finish. Emma's husband, a bit rogue there. He mightn't get the references, but we welcome everybody. If you're new to the pod, welcome.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  I mean, it can be an exciting way to consume it, but yeah, again, like go entree, cleanser, main, dessert.

• 3:38Speaker 04

  It's getting such a big ask though to go, if you're new, to go all the way back eight years. Should we just like at the end of this year, do a refresh and it's like no more jokes from previous years? Or references? So you can start fresh.

• 3:52Speaker 03

  Mate, we can't remember we did two shows ago. As if we're going to be there going, that's a bit of a 2019 joke, mate. Come on. No, I think what we should do, what we should do is Instagram, like how they had a millionaire, just put a safe level in. Just go, okay, do you know what? It's now, yeah, we've gone for eight, nine years. Just go back four years. You'll be fine from there.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  But it's also, it's what the government mandated break can be used for.

• 4:17Speaker 03

  It is a good chance to.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  Good chance to catch up. I mean, we hate the government for making us go on this break.

• 4:22Speaker 03

  Yep. But I suppose, I suppose if forced, if forced to do some sort of, I don't know, like gratitude exercise or something. My mother-in-law or someone that's into that kind of thing would be, I go, okay, well, the one positive out of it is, yeah, it's like you get to, you can study the show over a summer break. You can do like a summer course and catch up, a remedial course. We could, we do talk about it from time to time, doing a podcast, a one-off episode that we're just to try and explain like a glossary.

• 4:52Speaker 04

  Well, we'd need somebody else to come in and help us do it.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  Yes, it can't be for us.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. And we don't remember.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  We just don't remember what we've done.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  But we're so glad you do.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  So glad you do. Guys, I can get you an invite to a pretty special event that's coming up. I'd need to know now.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Not the B, better not be honey related.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  It's not honey related. No, you, you will have to beg me dearly for the launch party, which is pencilled in for November, although more updates to come on that for Ham's Hives. No, no, this is a, what would you do if I told you I could get you an invite to a very small, like a kind of a boutique crowd, maybe max 15, 20 people. Canapes, beers, cocktail event for the opening of a billboard that sponsors one hole at my local public golf course.

• 5:49Speaker 04

  Is this at Bondi Diggers?

• 5:50Speaker 03

  No, not Bondi Diggers. It's the other, the other way. I don't want to give away which golf course it is just so, because I don't want to create a stampede.

• 5:58Speaker 04

  So you're going to be, you're, you're a company, you're going to be the sponsor of a hole?

• 6:03Speaker 03

  No, although Ham's Hives will absolutely keep this idea open in the future because this week, last weekend, was good friend of the show and host of Quizmas, Magic Mike, his birthday. And being someone that cares about his business as a magician, available for corporate events and birthdays. I thought a great present to look into would be sponsoring hole two, par four.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  At the local public club. For people that have been on public golf courses, you'll know this doesn't happen at private golf courses. You don't see this.

• 6:35Speaker 02

  And it doesn't happen.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  On the pro level, like a car might sponsor the whole event.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  Or Mastercard or something. But at a, at a country club, like a, or a club you might find in the country or a local course, a lot of the time there'll be a sign under each hole that says, you know, sometimes it's blank. Usually a real estate agent or a travel agent or something.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's absolutely the local, the, the local car guy.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  So it'll be like hole number two, proudly sponsored by Jefferson Egan.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  New and old cars.

• 7:09Speaker 03

  And if they're smart about it, they'll have something like, you know, have your own drive, then come and drive one of ours.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  I was able to secure 12 month sponsorship for Magic Mike on hole two, which is actually a primo hole at the local golf club.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Yep. Because people are settled in by there. You're often racing to the first tee from the car park. And so you don't have time to take in this around.

• 7:31Speaker 03

  Whole one. No. I couldn't believe when I spoke to the guy, got put in charge of the guy that runs the sponsorships. It was like, look, I've got a friend, his birthday coming up. I think, I think it'd be a really nice gesture to buy him sponsorship of a hole for his business. And yeah, he runs through the holes that are available. When he's like hole two, I was like, are you joking? What? That's unbelievable. That's the jewel in the crown.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:52Speaker 03

  That's a, that, because they also book people too fast at this golf club. So you tee off on hole one and then there's like five groups waiting already by hole two. So the linger time at the hole. You're getting dozens of eyeballs.

• 8:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  Anyway, Mike through the roof. I was, I was wrapped as well because I'd never really considered this.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  And so what are you going to, are you going to consult him as to what you put on the billboard?

• 8:15Speaker 03

  Well, he now, he now gets to do the design with the preferred signage company that the golf club works with. And then it'll be a few week turnaround and then there will be a launch event, just a little red velvet curtain. I don't know if we're going to book out a whole bunch of tee times and then everyone just makes their way to the second and we have a little unveiling. Or if we just, because you just walk on, if you're not playing golf, it's a public course. Or we just walk on and have an event there, but you're not playing golf. But then the groups that come through, you can give them a little cheese cube. You can.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Oh, that's nice. I think they'll appreciate that.

• 8:47Speaker 03

  Meet the magician. I mean, meet the guy from the side. Like you do, you know, you have half an hour.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  So you're hoping we have through traffic. I was thinking like sunset canapes, most people have absolutely gone through and teed off from, they're, they're going to be completing the round. So we'd have the hole for itself, but you want the foot traffic.

• 9:03Speaker 03

  You want the foot traffic, but also people come through at all hours.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. Like people play till dark. It's a big, I don't know anyone that's ever had hole sponsorship. And can I just tell you, it's competitively priced. It's not like naming rights for the Australian Open. You might know that. How much does that cost? Kia or whoever.

• 9:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. It's in millions territory.

• 9:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. Way lower to get a hole.

• 9:27Speaker 03

  And a public golf course, way lower.

• 9:30Speaker 02

  I'd love to come if you were saying.

• 9:32Speaker 03

  I can work, I can talk to Mike and get you, because we don't want to overcrowd it. We don't want to create a scene. In fact, when I told the guy what it was about, this guy Mike, a different guy, Mike, a different Mike at the golf club. I go, hey, it's for my mate, he's a magician. And he goes, oh mate, actually, I need a magician for an event we've got coming up at the end of the year.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  It's already working.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  So I was like, well, walk on down to hole two and get his details. There'll be a QR code there, you can scan it. But I just say, I know we haven't talked about the prices correct for a while either. And I have run out of money. But boy, putting a sponsorship package in that, the prize pool for that would be huge. Just like, just find another club that I can get a hole on. I regret that we didn't spend any of our money on giving someone the ability.

• 10:17Speaker 02

  Clubs out there that have sponsorship available or any hole in their course, I reckon we could find some money.

• 10:23Speaker 03

  Do you know, it was, it was competitively priced, you know, it's like, I won't give the exact figure. I don't know if it's confidential or not, but it's less than 90 bucks a month, right? So if everyone chips in, it's a great present to someone.

• 10:34Speaker 02

  Great present.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  But the return on investment too, you're going to get huge business out of it.

• 10:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  It felt cheap to me, to be honest, felt really cheap. So I, I went, but surely that's not the price for a hole two, because it's the premium hole. He was like, no, same price for all of them. And that just, immediately I lost respect for the real estate agent on hole one. And, you know, these idiots that have bought the wrong hole. But I thought, would we buy up as a business idea, all the available public golf course sponsorships? And then you resell them.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Then on sell them.

• 11:03Speaker 03

  On sell them, come in agency. Jackie, I know the board game's taking up a bit of your time.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  No, I am annoyed that I don't have a business to promote because.

• 11:13Speaker 03

  You're working on one though, you're working on the board game.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, we, we could totally advertise the board game when it's made on there, but that's still like.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  Put yourself up there, just go, do you need a, do you want a funny video or, you know, looking for a content collab?

• 11:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just think you get the wrong type of people, like.

• 11:30Speaker 03

  You don't know till you try, mate.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  No, but I want to work with bigger brands, you know, who, who have, have a good budget. I don't want the local car guy.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  Big brands play golf?

• 11:42Speaker 02

  Not at the public golf course.

• 11:43Speaker 04

  Oh my goodness.

• 11:44Speaker 03

  Auguster, Auguster or nothing.

• 11:51Speaker 02

  Hey, a bunch of these keep coming in and so we have to be discerning. But I think this one definitely is a case.

• 12:00Speaker 06

  This sounds like this, sounds like this, sounds like this. If this sounds like that, I'm your man. Andy Lee, Song Sleuth.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  Yep, Song Sleuth is back and it pains me a little bit because it's Robbie Williams. And I love Robbie.

• 12:20Speaker 03

  He's.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  And he's came on the show and he's been great to us, but I think we have to put our hands up and say, look, we can't have favourites in this game, you're meant to be, you know, I'm biased and it's.

• 12:32Speaker 03

  So, did you say unbiased?

• 12:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, sorry.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  Did it sound like I said biased? It sounded like I'm biased.

• 12:38Speaker 03

  It sounded like you said, you're meant to be, full stop, I'm biased. And I was going to say, well, I back that, that's fine. I thought we were having favourites.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, we do seem to have favourites, but so we'll see how Robbie fares with this one. Uh, his first song, the band's called Wet Leg. Um, the, uh, song is called Chez Lounge, is that how I'd say it?

• 12:59Speaker 03

  It's the small, almost couch, um, French almost couch. It sounds like a small, I think it doesn't have a back on it or has a very small back and a one armrest.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  The L part of a big sofa, you know, your L part doesn't have the back.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  The bit you, the bit you longe on.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  Chez, um, relax, lounge, relaxing lounge.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  Wet Leg obviously.

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Not a direct translation.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  Wet Leg obviously loved that part of lounging because they've dedicated a song to it and this was theirs in 2021.

• 13:54Speaker 03

  Hmm. Right.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  That's the song?

• 13:57Speaker 03

  Good tune. I thought it was going to be mommy, daddy, look at me, which is what you would say if you're the person on the Chez Lounge bit of the L shape couch. Because that's, that is everyone's favourite part. If you were first into the room and you're all watching the footy or something, you would, if you were smart, that's the best one. And you're comfortable at the house because you've got to have probably just socks on, shoes off.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  To lay out, but to stretch out, but that's, that's the bit everyone's jealous of.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  To go, God, I'd love to be on the Chez Lounge bit because that's having, look at him, clearly stretched out and salad bowl full of twisties. He's not moving. I'm going to have to wait him out for a toilet break.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  True. Anyway, that's a song from Wet Leg. Robbie Williams just brought out a new song this year.

• 14:41Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 14:42Speaker 02

  It's called Bite Your Tongue. This is how it starts.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Hmm. Now in.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  That's your Jack's skirmish.

• 15:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. In Wet Leg's version, just starts with that iconic drum and that's just a bass playing. I'm right, aren't I?

• 15:15Speaker 03

  Wanted before you guys kicked into all the technical music terms, I just wanted to show that iTunes can name the instruments. And now you take it from here.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, we often put these things to the lab and do the start of one and then into the other and then back to the other to see how it sounds. This is the two combined.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  Same pace.

• 15:49Speaker 04

  Don't like it.

• 15:50Speaker 02

  Same key.

• 15:52Speaker 03

  Yep, BPMs and the key is coming up a big match.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  So then I'm thinking, maybe they depart massively in the chorus. You know, you can, everyone can start a song like that, but maybe Robbie brings it back to give him the benefit of the doubt and the chorus is so different. So this is the chorus of the Wet Leg song.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  She's a Chez Long.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  She's on, all day on the Chez Long again, showing you the power of the Chez Long, such a relaxing part of the couch.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  This is Robbie's.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  It's further away, it's not as close as the verse part, but it's still pretty similar.

• 16:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, does Robbie Williams write all his songs or does he just write a lot of them?

• 16:40Speaker 02

  Don't know. I think he's, I thought he was the, the writer of them. So maybe it's the benefit of the doubt. Maybe, you know, I hadn't heard this song, like the, the Chez Long song before it had come to my attention.

• 16:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, because I know that in the, yeah, I think he, I mean, I'm basing this on jumbling together a few facts, but I loved, you know, Better Man, the movie where he's portrayed by an AI monkey. Great film, but he does, does give the impression that he is writing a lot of his songs.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  So on one hand, I'm tend to think, okay, he writes a lot of them. But on the other hand, you're like, well, he's not going to write all of them. And you know, I'm always amazed by the fact that these singers, like people that have big hits are often written by other people.

• 17:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  Then I put myself in the shoe of a professional songwriter who has got the rent coming up. And, you know, you've been working in London or New York for three months. Charli XCX said she was going to buy one of your songs and then it fell through and then it's been four months and you're like, shit, shit, shit.

• 17:37Speaker 03

  I'm going to get something, I've got a meeting with Robbie Williams' guys tomorrow.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  I hate that I'm going to listen to Wet Leg. No one remembers this song.

• 17:48Speaker 03

  So I'm always worried that at the bottom of a song sleeve, he's, he's a songwriter in a jam.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 17:54Speaker 04

  And maybe they're even hoping it doesn't get picked up. So they send it in going like, all right, I, I said I'd get them one this week.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:01Speaker 04

  There it is.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  He's not going to use it.

• 18:03Speaker 04

  I get paid on submission, he's not going to use it.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, even more likely. You don't want this one, do you? Mate, it feels a bit, probably a young French girl would sing this. And then nightmare when Williams is there going, I love this.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:15Speaker 03

  This is my next song. And you're like, oh, great. Well, I'm also of course excited because I wrote it.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah, so all of this goes under the assumption that Robbie Williams has never heard the song, right? And that's the benefit of the doubt, which we'd love to give our friend Robbie, which would be true. But then I found this, which is him in the live lounge, which is the BBC live lounge, where you do a cover of a song. And he did this last year.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  He knows this song.

• 18:59Speaker 04

  He knows this so well.

• 19:02Speaker 03

  Has come across the song, okay, this, uh, the defence would like a quick recess. We did not get told of this evidence.

• 19:13Speaker 02

  Oh, that does make it a bit tougher.

• 19:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  Anyway, just to get out of here.

• 19:18Speaker 03

  Slap on the wrist.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  He won't do it again.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  Big weekend last weekend. We've all been highly anticipating this.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  The update we all need, Jacko. The board game play test.

• 19:36Speaker 04

  I can't believe that board games been on the show three weeks in a row. Like, we're, we're

• 19:40Speaker 03

  Do you know why?

• 19:41Speaker 04

  We're making progress.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  Do you know why?

• 19:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:43Speaker 03

  Because Brisbane Ben came along and he's actually done some work and you are racing to jump onto those coat tails and cling to them for dear life. Jack, the board game's been on the show for two years.

• 19:54Speaker 04

  No, it hasn't been that long.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  Been a bloody long time.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  It's been a while.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  Someone reminded me on emails this week and apologies for the no name check, but I was like, oh yeah. I think it actually started when I was talking about how when you open a board game, there's not enough of the pad. Like a lot of board games had the scorecards or the pads and you run out of those and essentially

• 20:14Speaker 02

  That's when the game finishes.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  Ruins the chances of you ever going back to that game.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 20:17Speaker 03

  And I think I said back and I was like, if we ever did a Hamish and Andy board game, it would have the most pads of any game ever invented. Half the pack would be pads and I'm keen.

• 20:28Speaker 04

  Have you honoured that? Well, actually Ben remembered that. He knows so much about the show. Cause I said,

• 20:33Speaker 03

  He should be in here because really you're just Ben's interpreter.

• 20:36Speaker 04

  I said, when, how do we score? And he said, well, remember Hamish doesn't like scorecards. And I had to nod along like I did remember, but I didn't remember.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  I'm just dying to hear the one piece of original content you've brought to this whole journey.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  First up, you said that you were going to negotiate it out with Ben before he arrives. Otherwise it'd be a tough situation you were, you were in.

• 20:56Speaker 04

  That's right. So we agreed that if his game was to go ahead, sorry, our game was to go ahead. So I was going to take one third of profits out of Hamish, Andy, Jack. And of my third of profits, he would get 50% of that.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 21:10Speaker 04

  Okay. So look at it about 15% each.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 21:14Speaker 02

  Who do you think did better out of the deal?

• 21:17Speaker 04

  Well, it doesn't matter anyway.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  Really?

• 21:20Speaker 04

  Cause the game will not be going ahead.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  You didn't like it.

• 21:23Speaker 04

  It, it just wasn't the game that I pictured in my head.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  But you don't know what that is because you haven't done it.

• 21:31Speaker 04

  You haven't put that picture down anywhere. So how do you even recall what the picture is?

• 21:35Speaker 03

  To us, the game you pictured in your head.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  All I said to you was, I had the image of a family or friends sitting around and wanting to get the game out.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  I'll say you didn't, it wasn't the environment.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  It wasn't the, the physical, the physical game I still can't see, but I know So the, what the, what the table looks like and what the faces on the people look like and how.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  So you know what the user experience looks like?

• 21:57Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  And it didn't feel like everyone was having fun.

• 22:00Speaker 04

  It didn't feel like.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Great. This is so great. I want to unpack this.

• 22:03Speaker 04

  The game that I thought it was going to be.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  We would have preferred it be good, but so how many people came to your house?

• 22:07Speaker 04

  So we did two play tests, one after the other. And some of the show listeners came, some of my friends came and.

• 22:15Speaker 03

  And when did you know, when did you, when did the feeling begin in you, oh, this isn't what I wanted?

• 22:21Speaker 04

  Probably quickly into the game, which surprised me because Ben himself was a legend and he came down, we were having a laugh. But we had actually more fun hanging out outside of the gameplay than the actual board game itself.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Called hangs with Ben.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  All the enjoyment of hanging with Ben now in a card game. So.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  Obviously Ben would have wanted everyone to have fun.

• 22:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  So was he nervous during the game and trying to encourage people to have more fun with the game? He, he maintains he had fun the whole time.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  Trying to interrogate someone after, after a hang would be like, come on, you didn't have, be honest. Not all of that was fun. I did have fun.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  Jack, okay. Give us a sneak peek as to what the game experience is a bit like. You don't have to, you don't have to betray any copyright.

• 23:08Speaker 04

  No, no, it's not. It's, it's, it's hard to sort of, um, like, I don't want to tell you the whole rules of it, but you're essentially getting cards. And you're saying that your opponent, you know that your opponent is losing touch by saying, oh, I heard that Andy had a pool put into his house or I heard Hamish.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  And are they, are they on like, is a pool on a card?

• 23:32Speaker 04

  They're on a card. So you're drawing cards and you're like, I heard Hamish took a private jet somewhere. So like you're sort of in this like half semi-real, semi-fake gameplay of like who's losing touch, but the cards are telling you who's losing touch. And I just, for whatever reason, I wasn't getting into it. It was all, it was all right, but it just wasn't the game that I had in my head.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  How many, how many games of the game did you play?

• 23:56Speaker 04

  And that's how I think it went for like an hour and a half per game, per game.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  Oh, he needs to be, yeah, he needs to be 20 to 30.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. I just thought of a new game right then when you were saying that. And this is, I'm just saying, this is my idea, but Jack, you can have 5% of it. You'd have to update it yearly with prices, but the whole joke of losing touch came from like when politicians don't know the cost of milk and whatever.

• 24:18Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 24:18Speaker 03

  You could essentially just have a card game. It's like, you get either items or you get their prices. Right? So if you get an item, say we've got eight cards each in our hand or whatever. And it's just like designer jeans. I heard Jack's losing touches. He doesn't even know how much designer jeans costs. Now, if I've got designer jeans in my hand and it says like $435, Jack will be like, no, I'm not losing touch. I think they're $435, right?

• 24:43Speaker 04

  That's sad.

• 24:43Speaker 03

  But you, because if you've got jeans in your hand, you know, but if you don't have jeans, you have to go, you panic and you have to guess the price of the jeans. And if you're more than $10 off, you have lost touch because you don't know how much things cost.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  But what if you, but you haven't, if you think it's less.

• 24:58Speaker 03

  You know, does, well, or you'll say if you have dessert, but what if it's just staples, right? So it's like a kilogram of carrots.

• 25:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 03

  I know the price that's on my card and then Jack has to guess a kilogram of carrots. And if he's off, he has lost touch and he gets a penalty card.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  So you play it through once and then everyone knows the prices.

• 25:12Speaker 03

  Well, you'd have 2000 items in there. Well, we've got this game trivia heads at home and the key, and it's just trivia, basically. It's like easy, medium, hard, very fun. Have you played that, Jake?

• 25:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's good to play with different levels of.

• 25:24Speaker 03

  Kids, so it's, it's good because it adapts for like kids. There's 1800 questions, I think, or something like that. The, recently the kids tried to memorize all of them. It's very hard.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  It's 1800 times three.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  You get very confused because they do sort of remember, but it's like, what's the largest, by landmass, largest nation in Africa? And they're like, Russia? Cause they're like, that was the answer to a different question.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, right.

• 25:50Speaker 03

  So you can, if you've got enough items.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Do you think trivia heads is more fun than guessing items, the price of items?

• 25:57Speaker 03

  I'm not saying it's a great game. I'm just saying that's other, that didn't take me any time.

• 26:01Speaker 04

  This is, well, this is what I'm finding with games.

• 26:04Speaker 03

  I just say the scorecard now of people who've had an idea for the game is I'm on the board.

• 26:09Speaker 04

  Yes, but I've, I've, I've had ideas that I just haven't bothered to tell you because they're not as fleshed out. Like yours wasn't that fleshed out.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  It wasn't terrible.

• 26:17Speaker 04

  I haven't brought it to the table, but the hard thing about games is not the theme of it. It's just like the, the actual mechanics of the gameplay.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  About playing this game.

• 26:27Speaker 04

  Yes. And the shame is, and thank you for everybody who's sending their game ideas on email or reaching out to me on DMs. But a board game, when you just read the back of it or say, read the rules, it doesn't sound good. Like you have to play a game to go like, oh, this is actually good. But if you say like, oh, you'll have this and you'll have that, you just roll your eyes at it. So what I'm seeing is everybody's sending ideas to me. I'm finding them quite boring.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  Jack, you.

• 26:56Speaker 04

  Well, so this is what.

• 26:57Speaker 03

  So basically you're the guy, you're the guy in the brainstorm no one wants, which is I'll, I'll just, just so everyone knows, I can identify bad ideas, but I, please don't ask me for the good one. I'll let you know when, I'll let you know when I see it.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  Where I cited, I want 80% of that just for the cited.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  For being a spotter.

• 27:15Speaker 04

  So that brings us to where we are. I feel like I am back at square one. I am going to make the game myself.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Because I can't put on anybody else to bring me a game and, and then I'll know that that's the game I wanted to make.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  Groundhog Day. You've said this, you've said this only months ago.

• 27:33Speaker 03

  I think you said it twice.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  And you said it like it's a revelation. 12 months from people listening to this, he put his, he put his pen up in the air. I will lead this team.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  This is like, this is like John Kennedy in 1971 going, we're going to go to the moon this decade, not because it is easy, but because it's hard. You said that 10 years ago. Puzzles or you've been assassinated, but that's all, it's hypothetical.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  So you'll make it.

• 28:00Speaker 04

  I'll make the game myself.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  Is there a new timeframe that you'd like?

• 28:06Speaker 04

  Oh, oh no, I'll still have it by Christmas 2027.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 28:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  Awesome.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  I decree.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  I decree. Next year, every game, brainstorming year, not production year.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  You guys might remember a couple of weeks ago, remember I was wearing no underpants on the show? Yeah, I had to go find some underpants.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:35Speaker 03

  I, I was thinking about this because-

• 28:37Speaker 02

  He went out at lunchtime and got some.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  I don't like them.

• 28:41Speaker 02

  What do you mean? He went and got-

• 28:42Speaker 03

  I don't like the brand.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  He was like, wow, I'm free. And then, but I think it, it must have been-

• 28:47Speaker 03

  I didn't wear it because I was enjoying being free. I wasn't going like, this is the new me. I just had not packed them.

• 28:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:53Speaker 03

  Like, I had to get changed in the car park.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  Yes, that's right.

• 28:56Speaker 03

  And I just didn't have undies.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:58Speaker 03

  So I'm definitely still, I see the benefit of underpants.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 29:02Speaker 03

  Here's, here's my question. And I know that I'm speaking here, this is probably more of a guy thing, probably more if you wear boxers, I would say, rather than like undies or a G-string. But more like, I wear like the, you know, the, what do we call them? Just-

• 29:16Speaker 02

  Just like a-

• 29:16Speaker 03

  Short leg.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. Brief? Is that what it's a brief?

• 29:19Speaker 03

  No, a brief is like a speedo, I think.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Boxer brief, that's what it is.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Boxer brief, yeah. Yeah.

• 29:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's got the leg on it.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  There is no need, I believe, if you're in the, and this is to everyone involved in the underpants manufacturing game, there is no need to make grey ones.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  Grey ones?

• 29:39Speaker 03

  Light grey men's underpants. There's no need. There is no need.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:43Speaker 03

  Now, obviously not every time, like, what is the benefit of a light grey underpants? Oh, if you're interested in everyone seeing a little bit of a piss stain, you should get these. Or if you're a larger man, um, and it's a, it's a hot day, you've had to run, and you weren't expecting to, at the end of the day, you'll get, I mean, you're obviously going to sweat the same amount as in a black pair, but we can really see where it's sweated, and it's a kind of a gnarled mess there, at the junction of the legs and the buttocks.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  So just go white or black?

• 30:12Speaker 03

  Cause it's-

• 30:13Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 30:13Speaker 03

  Whites even worse.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  No, but it's for someone who might want to wear a white pant or a white chino, you don't have-

• 30:20Speaker 03

  Advise them not to.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  That's why, that's why they did.

• 30:24Speaker 03

  They could get rid of them too.

• 30:26Speaker 03

  If, like, it's actually more the sweating situation.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  As a man that has friendly thighs, right? And it always has. I've always had thighs that I've, I've never had the gap, never had a thigh gap.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 30:39Speaker 03

  At the top, on a, even a remotely humid day, it can get messy out there. And the grey is just, like, if you, I'll say this, they should be completely outlawed from, like, New South Wales and above.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 03

  As it gets more humid.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. If you work at the, if you work at the Bond's store in Darwin, and a bloke comes in and goes, I just get a three pack of grey undies.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  Strongly advise you don't.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  No, we shouldn't have.

• 31:06Speaker 03

  I've always had grey.

• 31:07Speaker 02

  How long have you been in town for?

• 31:09Speaker 03

  Did you just move here? You definitely should not buy these grey underpants.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  While we're on outlawing certain types of boxers.

• 31:18Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  Can you believe that we all wore satin boxer shorts? Oh my god, so often. Like, that was the go-to, growing up, you had a satin boxer short.

• 31:29Speaker 03

  Especially because, especially if in the nineties, you're also a skater.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:33Speaker 03

  So you then had the biggest jeans in the world.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  And you're trying to cinch them against satin.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:39Speaker 03

  So you're just slipping and sliding all over the place.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  They were the size of board shorts. They was crazy. They were crazy. And also, back then, you obviously were becoming a man and you get excited easily, and you had this satin that used to just really encourage-

• 31:55Speaker 03

  Thanks you for sharing.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  And like, why was I, why was I wearing these? Yeah.

• 32:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, the enormity of how, but like, you're right, there was also way less privacy, like, we're all staying over at each other's houses, flopping around, like, sleeping. And they just had giant openings in these, essentially, kind of satin nipple skirts, that just, they were skirts.

• 32:20Speaker 03

  We were just wearing satin skirts around. They were kind of like shorts and skirt together.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  They say fashion kind of comes back. I don't- That one should come back.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  I think, and I think, I think Davenport still exists, don't they? The underpants company.

• 32:32Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 32:33Speaker 03

  They were one of the key concepts.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Christmas list, Christmas, can I get some satin Davenport's, please?

• 32:38Speaker 03

  Some Yosemite Sam ones.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  A lot of the time, novelty.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  Loochins.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, Loochins ones all the time. Daffy Duck are mine. Unbelievable.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  Well, that's the other thing, if you're in Darwin at the underpants store, if you've sent, if you've sent the guy with, you know, with muscular thighs back with the grey three pack, and he comes back with the silky ones, I don't think, I don't think you know what you're doing. You should be allowed to buy underpants.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  I think we're allowed to say that the pizzas for the people challenge is happening in the next 10 days.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  It's imminent. It is imminent. It's definitely occupying a lot of my mind.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  It would be. For people to recap, Luca, who is the owner of a pizza shop in Victoria, came across you, wandered up and just said to you, hey, if you can make a better pizza than I can, I'll give you a hundred pizzas.

• 33:36Speaker 03

  Yep. And it was quite a cryptic, it was dusk too, which I don't know if I mentioned in the first telling of the story, but it kind of added a real air of mystery to it. And it got my attention because at first, there was no downside proposed to the bet. There was no stake for me. Well, it was, I'll give you a hundred pizzas for free, but then it wasn't like, but if I win.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 33:59Speaker 03

  Uh, you have to give me, you know, your next born child or something. It wasn't like a challenge of fairy tales that we're used to.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 34:05Speaker 03

  So it did seem like an all upside, neutral or upside only for him. But I also, my attention was certainly piqued at that time. I said, okay, who is this guy? Why does he think he can make the best pizza? Turns out he has won a, literally an award for best pizza.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  And this was your first ever interaction with him, wasn't it?

• 34:23Speaker 03

  Hmm, hmm. But it got my attention, and, and this is something we haven't been saying, Luca, before, but I, I have made pizza before, in a wood fired oven, okay? I have that as a skill. Not, it's not my job, but you know our mate Vaughn, our buddy Vaughn in America?

• 34:40Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  When he was out visiting about a year ago, we're making pizzas, he's staying with us, we're making pizzas in the outside oven, right? He picks up the dough and starts spinning it professionally, right? I was like, what's this? What, like, how can you do that?

• 34:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  And he's like, oh, when I was in college, I used to work at a pizzeria called, I think it was called LA Pizzas, but it was in Colorado, so very confusing. It was called LA Pizzas, they're in Colorado, and technically they made a New York dish.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Style pizza.

• 35:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. It was just, it was a real mishmash of Americana. But he has taught me how to spin. This is something I was going to say for the night, but I can spin. I can stretch the dough in the air, like tradizionale Italiano style. And it's in my blood. I'm one eighth Italian. It is, it felt right as soon as I started doing it. I picked it up very fast. So when Luca's throwing this challenge at me, I'm thinking all these things going, I will take this on. And of course, I don't want the hundred pizzas for myself. Not only do none of us live near the restaurant in question.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  No one near it.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  But we wouldn't do it anyway, because we're the people's show.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 35:39Speaker 03

  And we want to win the hundred, a hundred pizzas for the people. And you just self-nominate if you feel like you're doing it a little bit rough at the moment, or even if you just feel like, you know what, three pizzas for the family, we'd just put a pep in our step. There's exactly why we want to do this.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 35:53Speaker 03

  Or, you know, I'm motivated to win, but I got something I want to bring up, an email that came in from a man I'll just call Dicko. He called himself Dicko. He's in the food game. He has not involved in food duels like this, but I suppose when you're in the food game, every day is a battle.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  Could be.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  To win the consumer's trust, to win their repeat business.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  Et cetera. He runs a food truck. They sell smash burgers. He often goes around to breweries that might have like a tasting, like a cellar door, but not a food situation. So he's out, he's, great business, because after you've had a few beers, and the burgers are up, amazing. He has recently started, and he said, he goes, I resisted for a while, but people kept telling me to do it, so I've started doing it. He started putting MSG in his burgers.

• 36:41Speaker 02

  I wonder whether you're going this, this, this way.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  I mean, it's not doping, but it's close. It's, it's, it's, he, so he's going, look, I resisted for a while, but I can't deny it. I started putting MSG in my burgers. He goes, it's been enormous, the, the change in attitude that customers have had, people even coming back going, he, he goes, the other night he had someone to have, get three burgers. Guy came, came back for seconds, came back for thirds, because he goes, mate, these burgers are addictive. Now, yes, it's a little bit of a hack, but it's not a banned substance.

• 37:13Speaker 02

  Well, remind me what MSG is again. It's like, is it like a salt?

• 37:17Speaker 03

  It's like monosodium glutamate, yeah. It's a salt that is, it makes everything taste kind of bigger, but it gives, it's what gives like traditionally like Baymerie food, that shiny sheen.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  We discussed it, putting, whether we put it in the dimmies and things. Really? Yeah, like. Cause I remember when we were kids, I remember hearing like, oh, if something's got MSG, it's bad.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, my mum, whenever we ordered Chinese takeaway, I was like, no MSG. And they'd be like, no worries. And then a hundred percent, they just put MSG in it.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think, I think it is just delicious and addictive. I think they're the two things.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  I think, I think society's come around a bit on it though. It was the devil ingredient in the eighties and nineties, but nowadays people, you know, like it has a superpower, it enhances flavour.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  Aren't they meant to be, isn't it included in like, like a meaty type thing? How are you going to put it on a pizza?

• 38:02Speaker 03

  Well, that's the thing. I, I do think it, I do think traditionally it's, it sounds like Dicko's putting him in his burgers, like in the actual meat.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  In the burger mix, yeah.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  I would say if we, if we're doing maybe a pepperoni, you could sprinkle it through.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  I'm not sure, I'm not sure if you-

• 38:17Speaker 03

  This is why it's dangerous. This is why it's dangerous. This would be like a first, this would be like going, hey, I'm going to the Olympics tomorrow. I've had a, I've had a brain snap, I am going to do steroids, but I've never done them before.

• 38:28Speaker 02

  Put it in my ear.

• 38:30Speaker 03

  I think I'm just going to, I don't know, just rub them, rub them under my armpits.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  Quick, take them, take them, take them.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  God shit, I'm doing it.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  So you're thinking of doing it?

• 38:39Speaker 03

  No, I'm not. I don't think I will.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  Is it consumer facing? Can you just buy it at the supermarket?

• 38:43Speaker 04

  I think so. Yeah.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  It's just a big.

• 38:46Speaker 04

  I think it's not as scandalous as it was.

• 38:48Speaker 02

  Obviously think it's a banned substance in some way.

• 38:50Speaker 03

  It's not, it's not. And it's wider approved. If you are of the Olympics, you can have MSG in your food. But I think because I wanna win this fair and square as a traditional Italian man, I don't wanna come out of this knowing that I leaned on a very non-Italian ingredient.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 39:07Speaker 03

  And I would put in the same category as doping, it's food doping, I'm out. Will I use salt? You bet I will.

• 39:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:14Speaker 03

  Heavy amounts of salt, just not MSG.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  Honorable.

• 39:18Speaker 03

  I appreciate that.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's great.

• 39:20Speaker 03

  Thank you. This is lovely. It feels like I've won.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  Just quickly then, we've gone down to, originally we were talking around three pizzas. You had two, here's one. We've scrapped all that. It's just one pizza each is where we've arrived. I went back through all the rules of the thing going around. You get two attempts though, Ham.

• 39:40Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 39:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  If I don't like the way it comes out of the oven on attempt one, I can commit to attempt two, though I must serve the second pizza.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 39:47Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Love that. Love.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  People have been writing in saying, aren't they gonna just tell on the look of it? Should they be blindfolded, the jury?

• 39:55Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 39:55Speaker 02

  But I think it's, when you say.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  The first bite is with the eye. I mean, it's part of the experience.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  That's what I think. When you say make a better pizza, it's the all round.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's the all round experience. Yeah.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  So I think we quashed that. How are you feeling as the foreman of the jury, Jack?

• 40:08Speaker 04

  Well, I got one, one thing we haven't talked about with the jury is we're coming in, there's five of us.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  There is five plus you.

• 40:17Speaker 04

  Plus me, okay.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Six.

• 40:18Speaker 04

  And we're meant to be neutral, so we're not going for Luca or we're not going for Hamish in particular. Though, these are everyday people of the world who could benefit from the hundred pizzas, should Hamish win them. Whereas they don't benefit in any way if Luca wins. Does that make the jury impartial by nature?

• 40:36Speaker 03

  There is some slight muddying of the water there. I'll give it to you, Jack.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Well, the point of being is like, Hamish isn't gonna come and put his pizza out and Luca's not gonna come and put his pizza out. They're gonna both be at the back and they're both gonna.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  If it happens that you can clearly tell that one's made by an amateur, are you more inclined to pick that one? Cause you know there could be a hundred pizzas for the community if you pick that one.

• 40:57Speaker 04

  Even the difference of going, are we judging the best pizza or are we secretly trying to judge which one's Hamish's pizza? So that we win the hundred pizzas. Cause if you, if you think of a jury, if they were like, oh, okay, is this man guilty or not guilty? If he's guilty, by the way, you win.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  You get free pizza.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  Remember, for every guilty verdict I get in my courtroom, there's a delicious pizza party afterwards, but I do not want that to sway anyone. You're here as justice fans.

• 41:24Speaker 04

  Yes. And we will say, of course, we'll do a lot of like, yes, yes, neutral, neutral, but wouldn't it be nice to have a scrumptious pizza?

• 41:32Speaker 02

  Well, how do we fix that? I don't think, I think we, I mean, we're trying to fix it by making it, they don't know which one they're tasting.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think also one to one, that was, I reckon we went some way to fixing that by, at first I was gonna serve two pizzas. And then there'll be his. That way I think you could clearly tell the odd one out and then you just vote for the other two. Now that it's just one and one, I think the margin of being able to pick will be, will be, will be lower.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Can I suggest this? Maybe this is where Jack, as the foreman, you really come into play. And you guys all go out the back and discuss and you have to get.

• 42:09Speaker 04

  Unanimous.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  Unanimous.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  That's good.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  And Jack, you can, you put the pressure on them to go, no, no, no, I think you're just trying to.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Remember what happened with the conclave?

• 42:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:19Speaker 03

  He could not, he could not get a decision made.

• 42:22Speaker 04

  Well, maybe the jury can't go and collect a pizza because that then does muddy the water.

• 42:28Speaker 03

  That's true. That's not bad.

• 42:29Speaker 04

  They're friends and family, anyone associated with them or friends or family cannot accept one of the hundred pizzas.

• 42:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's good.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  Or what about this, Jack? Everyone that serves on the jury automatically gets.

• 42:40Speaker 04

  One free pizza.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  One free pizza or two free pizzas, no matter what, even if it's a fail, even if it's a pass. So you remove the incentive. They've already, they get given, do you get paid to do jury duty? You get a token bit of money. So they've already received like a payment for being on the jury. They're not then incentivized to win.

• 42:58Speaker 04

  That's good.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  That does actually feel better, Jack, to go.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  I like that.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  You know, ladies and gentlemen, the jury, how do you find this man? You know, is he guilty? Remembering pizza party regardless for the jurors after the case.

• 43:10Speaker 04

  He doesn't have to go to jail.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  We couldn't hit you on this guy up for like, for fencing stolen rubies. If he didn't do it, he didn't do it. If he did, he did. You're all welcome in chambers. I got 20 pizzas. It's gonna be.

• 43:24Speaker 04

  That's much better.

• 43:25Speaker 03

  It's gonna be a hoot. You don't have to worry.

• 43:30Speaker 01

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