Pod Insights Hamish & Andy 2025 Ep 312 - Taylor Swift Song Sleuth Allegations About this episode The world’s biggest music star (and “friend of the show”) Taylor Swift is under the Song Sleuth microscope this week with FIVE allegations. Andy’s been people-watching and brings some of life’s everyday mysteries to the table in Domestic Qs. Extreme Empaths are back, and Hamish shares his favourite part of the week - “nub hunting” - and why Zoe has temporarily banned both him and Sonny from doing it. Plus, we check in with listener Sam for a Gusto Check - the legend who first dropped the iconic phrase, “Gusto to you.”
1. Song Sleuth - Taylor Swift
2. Domestic Qs
3. Extreme Empaths
4. Nub hunting
5. Gusto check - The original ‘gusto to you’
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0:23 Speaker 02 Ahoy to me brevis, Jack. Brevis Jack or Brevis Hamish? Sorry.
0:30 Speaker 00 Ahoy to me brevis.
0:31 Speaker 03 Oh, I don't mind going first.
0:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, but you know, you, Jack can be the brevis.
0:35 Speaker 00 Ahoy to me brevis, Jack.
0:36 Speaker 03 Ahoy, Andy.
0:37 Speaker 02 Is it mispronounced kettle brands?
0:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, I felt my head went to a breve like a toast maker.
0:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
0:44 Speaker 00 Ahoy to me Tertius, Hame.
0:49 Speaker 02 Ah, I don't know. Are we the, are we the names of like gargoyles in mythology? This, this feels like the names of the mon, the three monsters somewhere.
0:58 Speaker 00 Hmm, I'm the longest.
1:00 Speaker 02 The longest? You wish, mate. Certainly not with that IP.
1:07 Speaker 03 You've got a severe bladder, mate.
1:10 Speaker 02 Well, you're not the longest.
1:11 Speaker 00 This, I thought Hame would get it, because he's more into this.
1:15 Speaker 02 Is it stars? Is it, is it?
1:16 Speaker 00 No.
1:17 Speaker 02 Constellations?
1:18 Speaker 00 It's fibularis muscles. It's all the muscles that go around the fibula.
1:23 Speaker 02 Yeah, well, no one's gonna, no one's gonna know that unless they're a physio.
1:26 Speaker 00 Well, physios will be yelling at their.
1:28 Speaker 02 Screaming, you're the longest.
1:30 Speaker 00 But I just feel, you know, Hame's always going and getting something changed, isn't he? Like, he's always got a physio appointment.
1:36 Speaker 02 I would have had him needled for sure.
1:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, had your longest needle.
1:39 Speaker 02 I would have, yeah, I would have the longest needled for sure. I would have had electroshock therapy through my fibularis. Hundred percent.
1:45 Speaker 03 Longest feels like the kind of, the ones sound like properly named, longest feels like they ran out of ideas.
1:51 Speaker 02 It is just the longest muscle.
1:54 Speaker 03 And it is, it is.
1:56 Speaker 02 I'm surprised one of them's got the mediums.
1:58 Speaker 00 Ahoy also to Henry Riggs Smith, uh, who went to hamishandandy.com to tell us what he's gonna do.
2:03 Speaker 02 On your mate.
2:04 Speaker 04 Ahoi boys, Henry from Sydney here. Just a quick message for Andy. I recorded this cover shortly after the original was released. Hopefully it's still popular by the time this uploads.
2:46 Speaker 02 Just looking forward to the chorus here.
2:52 Speaker 02 Gotcha.
3:07 Speaker 02 Good. I've got to be honest, I think.
3:09 Speaker 00 I'm going to start vetting them.
3:10 Speaker 02 I think, I think for a second I was like, where is this going? I do recognise this song, I don't know what song it is, but to weave in.
3:17 Speaker 00 Yeah.
3:17 Speaker 02 Big horny weaver, the weaver.
3:19 Speaker 00 Copy it from all angles, IPs, weavers.
3:24 Speaker 00 I don't smoke.
3:24 Speaker 02 Beautiful tune.
3:25 Speaker 00 Yeah, I don't smoke, everybody haven't had one today.
3:28 Speaker 02 Well, someone saw you pushing into a smoke mart at 4.59pm. And they, they, their words, not mine at all, described yours as zig horny.
3:38 Speaker 00 No questions to answer there, but someone very famous has got a few questions to answer him. And huge, biggest release this week was Taylor Swift with her new album.
3:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:50 Speaker 00 The Life of a Showgirl. I've never had so many direct messages and emails come in for people song sleuthing the album. So I've got them for you today.
4:09 Speaker 02 Andy Lee, Song Sleuth.
4:11 Speaker 00 Five tracks were identified.
4:13 Speaker 02 Hang on, this is a nightmare scenario for Swift and her people.
4:18 Speaker 00 Yep.
4:18 Speaker 02 The week of release, they, even one track being on your radar could sink an artist. Sink them.
4:24 Speaker 00 Yep.
4:25 Speaker 02 And to have five charges brought against her.
4:29 Speaker 00 Yep.
4:30 Speaker 02 This is not the launch party she would have been hoping for. And she is, I think we can still call her a friend of the show.
4:35 Speaker 00 Still a friend of the show.
4:36 Speaker 02 She hasn't appeared for many years, her star has risen significantly since she would come in and play acoustics, um, not, not like the beautiful piece we just heard, but her own music.
4:47 Speaker 00 Her own music.
4:48 Speaker 02 I can't, I can't see her coming in to do an acoustic or any of that.
4:51 Speaker 00 No, she would definitely require that person that stands behind the celebrities going, you remember these two? And then she would, and telling her our names.
4:59 Speaker 02 It's so good to see you again.
5:00 Speaker 00 And then she'd do, yeah, that thing, and they'd go, oh my gosh, good to see you. Last time we were doing this, weren't we? Even though it was seven years ago and they'd never remember.
5:07 Speaker 02 Well, briefly.
5:08 Speaker 00 Um, uh, Haim, because she is a friend of the show, I've dropped two, I've dropped two charges.
5:14 Speaker 02 Drop two charges, straight up.
5:15 Speaker 00 Yeah, straight up.
5:16 Speaker 02 That's how it should be.
5:17 Speaker 00 Yeah.
5:17 Speaker 02 And that's, that is how the criminal justice system was always meant to be.
5:22 Speaker 00 Yep.
5:22 Speaker 02 Um, and I think it's just got so caught up in its rules and regs now, where you just rarely see the friendship charge drop.
5:28 Speaker 00 Exactly. So there's two that I also just don't want to go, no contest, but I'll show you what people were talking about. But I, again, I wouldn't prosecute it. I would turn to them and say, hey, I need something more solid than this. This is, uh, her latest single, it's called The Fate of Ophelia. Um, have a listen.
5:57 Speaker 00 She acted a little nod along, says.
5:58 Speaker 02 So I was, I was just vibing with the track. I mean, it's Taylor Swift, it's gonna be good music. I was actually thinking, I could play that on piano.
6:06 Speaker 00 Sounds durable.
6:07 Speaker 02 You don't know how to play piano. No, but it just doesn't sound like too many notes.
6:10 Speaker 00 No, it wasn't too many notes, but, uh, apparently it sounds a lot like our good Australian buddies Rufus Del Du Sol.
6:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:19 Speaker 00 Um, have a listen.
6:24 Speaker 02 Oh.
6:29 Speaker 00 Let's have a listen to Taylor's again.
6:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:40 Speaker 00 She's got that interesting bit at the end.
6:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, she does put something else on to go, I haven't stolen the design for your hat because I've put a flap on it. That's how the Legionnaires hat was born.
6:49 Speaker 00 Yeah, exactly.
6:50 Speaker 02 After the baseball bastards came after them.
6:54 Speaker 02 But is this the one you're dropping?
6:56 Speaker 00 I'm dropping that.
6:57 Speaker 02 You're dropping that?
6:58 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah, that's right.
7:00 Speaker 02 This is why I would drop that one. You guys know more about this because you've studied the theory of music, where I've only ever studied the feeling of it. But I think-
7:07 Speaker 00 Did you study the theory of music, Jack?
7:08 Speaker 02 I didn't, no.
7:09 Speaker 00 Okay.
7:10 Speaker 02 You would have at school, wouldn't you? Of course. How'd you learn guitar? I mean, my cousin taught me guitar, but we didn't sit down- So you did lessons? I did guitar lessons. Okay, you've been taught music. So, true or false, and you've composed music, Jack. So you've written songs, you've created original tunes. Yeah, I don't write it down in sheet music or anything. But you know the process of coming up with a song. Okay, go ahead. True or false, once you start with one note, you don't then have infinite choices for the next note. Like, you start down the track of like, say you just write down dun, dun, dun, dun, right? Those four notes. It becomes more and more obvious where you should go from there.
7:49 Speaker 00 Sounds like two notes, by the way.
7:51 Speaker 02 Or four, like dun, dun, dun, dun, like three of the same and then you get out.
7:55 Speaker 00 Yeah.
7:56 Speaker 02 But you're not just gonna go to any old note after that. You're kind of into a pattern. I think that's where Rufus and Taylor would have found themselves, just to go, well, you know, we're really just following the logical choices from here. We can't be said to be copying-
8:11 Speaker 00 There are chord progressions and then you say, talk about, you have to naturally resolve a progression, which means you have to-
8:17 Speaker 02 You know the words for it. I'm just talking about the feeling of it.
8:20 Speaker 00 Okay. Anyway, drop that one.
8:22 Speaker 02 Dropped.
8:24 Speaker 00 Taylor Swift has another track on her album called "Wood". This is what it sounds like.
8:36 Speaker 02 Wow, huh? Okay.
8:40 Speaker 02 I already know where this is going.
8:41 Speaker 00 What are you thinking?
8:42 Speaker 02 Jackson 5, isn't it?
8:43 Speaker 00 Yep, Jackson 5.
8:54 Speaker 02 Jack nodded his head to both. Now, I don't know if that just... Jack's acting like he's a music producer over there.
9:04 Speaker 02 Just basically like someone's brought in some demo tracks. And he is making the bold call in the music game of going, you know what? Both Taylor Swift and the Jackson 5 have good tunes to me. So ballsy position to take.
9:17 Speaker 03 Yeah, I do feel like that was more of a copy.
9:21 Speaker 02 Really?
9:21 Speaker 03 Without even having all the fun bassline that the Jackson 5 one has. But just that guitar.
9:26 Speaker 02 It's the dingaling of the guitar.
9:28 Speaker 00 It's the chijang of the guitar.
9:29 Speaker 02 Sorry again, I don't know the correct terms. I'm just saying I know the feeling.
9:34 Speaker 00 I think that one's further away. Do you want to have a comment?
9:37 Speaker 03 This is Taylor again.
9:49 Speaker 03 I think what happens is your brain is trying to put the bassline in from the Jackson 5 while you're listening to that.
10:04 Speaker 02 That technique of playing the guitar. Is that a... What move is that, Jack? You play guitar?
10:11 Speaker 03 It's really... It's just a rhythm. The rhythm is the same as the other one.
10:14 Speaker 02 Gotcha. Is there a special way you hold your fingers to make that noise? Or is that...
10:18 Speaker 03 No, he's just holding a chord. Yeah. Well, you actually pull your fingers slightly off to get that t-t-t sound. And then you push them back down to get the chord.
10:27 Speaker 02 Okay, that's what I was feeling. So, but like, did Jackson 5 invent that? Or is that just a move that's available to everyone?
10:33 Speaker 00 No, everyone can do that. Yeah. So again, no, Taylor. I'm striking that one as well.
10:38 Speaker 02 So you're dropping both of those?
10:40 Speaker 03 I'm dropping both of those.
10:41 Speaker 02 And then arguably, there is some case there. So these ones...
10:46 Speaker 03 But does heat rise each time? Because you've dropped one, you've dropped one. It feels like, you know, when a team doesn't get a free kick for a while and then they get like a medium level one?
10:55 Speaker 02 Yep.
10:55 Speaker 03 That's true.
10:58 Speaker 03 If you were, if we had a team here...
10:59 Speaker 00 Here, I'd say if you plead guilty to one, we'll drop the other four charges is probably the way you'd go about it.
11:06 Speaker 02 Can I just say before we get into this, are we in a situation here where we've done all the sounds, we've run out of sounds?
11:11 Speaker 00 You said it every time. New, like Sabrina Carbon will bring out a song, we all go, oh, that's new, that's great.
11:16 Speaker 02 It's like, the more, the further we go down this path, the closer to being true my statement is.
11:20 Speaker 00 True.
11:21 Speaker 02 We, we're getting closer and closer to the singularity where all the noises have been made in all the patterns.
11:28 Speaker 00 This is the title track. That's why I think it's extra dangerous for her because she's, she's drawing attention to it.
11:34 Speaker 02 But maybe she's Taylor Swift, there's gonna be attention. You're not gonna hide, you're not gonna squeeze a track out that everyone forgets to listen to.
11:41 Speaker 00 You can hide them in, you know, track nine, can't you, Jack? You can hide the, the ones that. You can. I've only, I've only listened to about half the album.
11:48 Speaker 02 Yes, Jack, but you're not the target market. I'm saying, Eddie, when you release an album, you're, you and your brother's band, you can hide a track.
11:54 Speaker 00 She's Taylor Swift.
11:59 Speaker 00 There's only about three we're happy with. Um, Life of a Showgirl. This is, well, maybe she's trying to hide in plain sight.
12:04 Speaker 02 Yep.
12:04 Speaker 00 Or just trying to get ahead of it. But this is the song.
12:20 Speaker 00 That's that one. This is the Jonas Brothers. So she's going after not one, but three.
12:26 Speaker 02 I think they're her friends.
12:27 Speaker 00 Hmm. This is it.
12:45 Speaker 02 They've preemptively covered her.
12:48 Speaker 00 Assholes.
12:50 Speaker 02 Sorry, they're not friends. I think I just realised.
12:54 Speaker 00 She used to date one of them, didn't she?
12:55 Speaker 02 Maybe they are friends. I just remember that when Taylor played in Sydney, whenever it was, whenever the year's tour was, the Jonas Brothers were playing the next weekend. That was a real scheduling error. And I, and I, and I saw them at a restaurant having lunch the day before their show and they looked sad. And I did later hear that they had struggled to sell tickets because of course everyone was like, well, we've spent our money.
13:19 Speaker 00 We went out last weekend.
13:20 Speaker 02 We had allocated concert time and we, we chose Taylor. And surely you can't be too angry at us for that. It was the greatest tour of all time. Why oh why did you book an arena the next weekend after Taylor was in town? And I think that's why they look so sad.
13:34 Speaker 00 Well, they've got an extra reason to be sad today. So obviously we've put this one through the lab. Marshy has done a mashup. You're going to hear Taylor followed by one of the Jonas Brothers, the one that sings.
13:59 Speaker 02 They don't quite go together, do they? Donkey zebra scenario, mostly. Half a donkey, half a zebra. You can tell the difference.
14:07 Speaker 00 She's done the same thing again where she's, she's changed the end. She's put the, the flionaise, the flap on the cap.
14:13 Speaker 02 Flap on the cap. Now she's put a flap on the brim. No one's ever seen this kind of hat before.
14:21 Speaker 00 It's totally similar.
14:22 Speaker 02 I think.
14:23 Speaker 00 Very similar.
14:24 Speaker 02 I think I'll do personally. I mean, is she talking about this?
14:30 Speaker 00 What do you mean? You, you, you worried that you, I mean, Hamish becoming a new shell, isn't it? You're worried about slandering. Are you worried about slander? Is that what you?
14:36 Speaker 02 No, I'm worried about slander. I mean, I'm just shocked that her, no one around her. I would have thought Taylor is not surrounded by yes people.
14:43 Speaker 00 What? I reckon that she'd be surrounded by yes people.
14:45 Speaker 02 But I think, well, I don't know. I feel like she's better than that. I feel like she's, she's more down to earth. She'd be open to the feedback. But um, I guess I'm. Sad and to feel that maybe the people around her didn't have the guts to speak up.
14:57 Speaker 00 Well, they just didn't know this. They don't, maybe they don't know the song.
15:00 Speaker 02 Cause she's writing, she's writing all her own music, isn't she?
15:02 Speaker 00 Oh no, she collaborates with a lot of people.
15:04 Speaker 02 Okay, okay. So you reckon one of them has accidentally suggested?
15:07 Speaker 00 Probably felt the pressure.
15:09 Speaker 02 Mate, 100% if we got a message.
15:12 Speaker 00 And I haven't come up with anything.
15:13 Speaker 02 We got a message from Taylor Swift's management going, she wants to collaborate with cool boys on the frontman. You're telling me that we wouldn't go, yeah, this is huge for us if we can get a song through.
15:23 Speaker 00 And we've only ever done covers, so that's all we know.
15:26 Speaker 02 Can't blame us, we're a well-known cover.
15:30 Speaker 02 I just, I'm, I'm, I'm beginning to suspect that someone she collaborated with has come in with a back pocket full of soundalikes and
15:38 Speaker 02 snuck it past Taylor.
15:40 Speaker 00 So we're gonna let that, we'll let Taylor off this time, is that what you're saying?
15:43 Speaker 02 Well, I'd like to know who she collaborated with on that one, if there was anything, and I would be pointing the finger at them. A sense of shadow actor, cause Taylor, let's not forget, has come up to this point, has been one of the most original artists of her generation.
15:55 Speaker 00 I don't think we've ever had her on Songsline.
15:57 Speaker 02 Yeah, so that's why.
15:58 Speaker 00 It doesn't matter how powerful you get, we will put it under the marshcove, but it turns out, we think everything's fine.
16:05 Speaker 02 At a cellular level, turns out to be fine. Um, did you have more that you were charging or is that the biggest crime?
16:11 Speaker 00 That, that was the biggest one.
16:12 Speaker 02 Okay. Oh, when she walked, oh. She's friends with Andy.
16:20 Speaker 00 Hey, I often look at other people and go, what are they doing in their life that I'm not doing? Are they getting ahead? Are they the same as me?
16:29 Speaker 02 You're in an apartment building at the moment, aren't you?
16:30 Speaker 00 Yeah, so I just look straight across.
16:32 Speaker 02 You're at the window, just like, this is a man that's got some binoculars and is looking at another apartment building.
16:37 Speaker 00 Just, just what are their lives like? Domestic questions, hence, wanted to start a segment today, but those ponderings bring it to the group. Keeping Andy.
16:46 Speaker 05 Domestic Cues with Andy Lee, joined today by his close friends, Hamish Blake and Jack Post.
16:55 Speaker 02 Great to be here.
16:56 Speaker 03 Yes. First one.
16:59 Speaker 02 Sorry, do we think cues is in questions?
17:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, great.
17:03 Speaker 03 Name we can change.
17:05 Speaker 02 Well, it's over. It's not going back, so.
17:07 Speaker 03 Do you think he meant cues like lining up?
17:09 Speaker 02 I think so. Or cues as in like social cues, like someone gives you a cue.
17:15 Speaker 03 Do you share a bottle with your friend? If your friend wants a sip of your drink?
17:20 Speaker 02 Yeah.
17:21 Speaker 03 If I said, hey, Ham, can I have a sip of your Coke?
17:24 Speaker 03 Would you give me a sip of your Coke?
17:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'd give you a sip of my Coke. I mean, crazy to think that COVID changed that, but I think we're coming back now to go. Yeah, go for it. Have a sip.
17:34 Speaker 03 You know what comes to my head? Mininji cockle. Was that big when you guys were kids or was I in a real era? From a Coke? Mininji cockle. Any sharing of drinks, you get Mininji cockle. What? No.
17:45 Speaker 02 We dodged that.
17:46 Speaker 03 That when I was in primary school, that was. You don't share a drink. If I said, can I have a sip of your drink? I would think my first thought would be Mininji cockle danger. Really?
17:54 Speaker 02 Interesting that, because in that scenario, you're, you assume Andy has Mininji cockle. So you're not really concerned that he has this deadly brain swelling disease. You're more concerned, so your first thought isn't like, oh no, if that's true, Andy's done for.
18:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:11 Speaker 02 Your first thought is protect the host at all costs.
18:15 Speaker 03 Well, it's not gonna do any better if we both have it.
18:19 Speaker 03 You win, you win the will.
18:22 Speaker 02 He's gonna win 50 grand. His first thought should be, you little beauty.
18:28 Speaker 02 Why don't you go to the train station and have as many sips as you can, Andy?
18:33 Speaker 03 So I would, I would be fine with you having a sip of my drink. Jack, you say you wouldn't give me a sip. Naturally, I would be hesitant to, you can have a sip of mine. I wouldn't have it back the other way. So once I've sipped, you wouldn't drink it again?
18:46 Speaker 02 What about a straw? What would you pour some out for Andy?
18:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, you can have it.
18:51 Speaker 02 What if he bought his own straw, drank, or would you be concerned that some went back down into the drink?
18:56 Speaker 03 I don't know how Mininji cockle works, but sharing drinks was very frowned upon when I was in school. Really?
19:02 Speaker 02 What year were you born?
19:03 Speaker 03 Eighty-seven.
19:04 Speaker 02 All right, well, you just missed it.
19:06 Speaker 03 Well, so, Ham, you and I would give each other a drink.
19:09 Speaker 02 Mate, back when we were at school, it was just.
19:11 Speaker 03 Pass it around the class.
19:14 Speaker 02 If anyone had a Coke, if anyone had like a, you know, it said 375 mils of Coke, it was expected that all 30 children in that class would have about 10 mils each.
19:21 Speaker 00 And you'd yell at the guy, no backwash, no backwash, because that was the idea that they'd put it in their mouth. And then somehow, when you don't understand drinking when you're young.
19:29 Speaker 02 You put your whole mouth.
19:30 Speaker 00 You just let the water, all the liquid come back into the can.
19:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, so you'd ask that.
19:35 Speaker 00 Where is the level of friendship, Ham, where you wouldn't let someone have a drink? You're letting Carly have a sip?
19:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, Carly's gonna have a sip if you want. I mean, we're all, we are all grownups here. It's funny, this feels very schoolyard. It does feel schoolyard. Like, someone going, hey, can I have a sip of your drink? They're not thirsty, they just want the flavour. And that's what primary school was about. You were like, can I have a sip of your Fanna? Well, there's a bubbler over there. This isn't a thirst issue. I need the taste. Generally, when you're hanging out with adults, and I'd say most of our friends are in their 30s and 40s, should we wish to, we can all get ourselves a Coke.
20:13 Speaker 00 Well, here's the scenario that made me think of this. Halftime at hockey, I hadn't bought myself a drink bottle. Okay, we get to the side.
20:19 Speaker 02 Well, that's a first base thing.
20:20 Speaker 00 My closest mate in the team, Bezzer.
20:23 Speaker 02 Yep.
20:24 Speaker 00 Hey, goes, hey mate, have a drink of mine. I drink from it. If one of the players I am not that friendly with had asked me to, to have a sip, I think I would have felt a bit weirder about it.
20:35 Speaker 02 That's a new thing, because that's someone making you drink their drink.
20:38 Speaker 00 No, he was like, I was thirsty.
20:39 Speaker 03 But still share, like, either way, you're sharing it with someone you do or you don't know. Like, if a stranger came up to you on the street and you were drinking a drink, would you share it with them?
20:46 Speaker 02 Well, my mate Whipper, right, he's often, he's hungry and thirsty lots.
20:54 Speaker 02 He's just well known that if, you know, like, if he's at our place for barbecue, I've been known to hide the prosciutto before it's time for everyone to have a turn of having some of the prosciutto. So he'll often go, can I have a sip? He'll ask for a sip. But he's, he's got quite an advanced move where he pours it from a great height.
21:11 Speaker 00 Right.
21:12 Speaker 02 Into his gullet and he'll never touch. I've always been impressed the way he does. I've never seen anyone do that. I think he, maybe he's just learnt, because I'm someone that likes to have lots of sips of people's drinks. I'll show them I'm a responsible sipper and hopefully the word will spread and people will share more drinks with me.
21:28 Speaker 00 I just found it confusing in my mind that the closer the friend, I'm happy for them to drink out of it.
21:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, that makes sense. I drink it. I mean, I just consume gallons of the kids bit probably. I'm, I'm, I'm just a secondary inhaler of all their food and drinks.
21:44 Speaker 00 There would be a line in my friendship group.
21:47 Speaker 02 I would not do it to other children yet.
21:48 Speaker 00 That, that, that it continues along and it kind of gets into a vague acquaintance area.
21:52 Speaker 02 And that's the cutoff.
21:54 Speaker 03 I don't really want you having a sip.
21:56 Speaker 02 Do you know what you just discovered, Ando? Who to invite to your wedding or not?
22:02 Speaker 02 I think, I think you actually just discovered the algorithm, didn't you? I know you're putting together the list and you're umming and ahhing and it's not going to be many people. Jack's on an absolute knife edge.
22:15 Speaker 02 And you probably.
22:16 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's a good point.
22:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think you'd share your drink with me if I was a drink shareer.
22:20 Speaker 02 Oh, he's coming. It's a cockle. Now we can't get enough to drink.
22:33 Speaker 00 And they keep coming in. Um, so we should make all the other extreme empaths feel good about themselves and know that it's a safe place on this show. Let's jump into it.
22:45 Speaker 02 It's our opener, of course. Every single song in the world. All the noises in the world. No one's left out.
22:50 Speaker 00 Do you want me to go first?
22:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, go for it.
22:52 Speaker 00 Um, this is from Rose. She goes, extreme empath guys, I recently moved our lounge room around so that the room had a more open vibe.
23:00 Speaker 02 Cool.
23:00 Speaker 00 Because the couch has moved, the TV now faces a different direction. I worry that the pictures on the wall of my great grandparents are sad because they can no longer see the TV from their vantage point.
23:12 Speaker 02 Yes.
23:12 Speaker 00 It's like they can hear it, but they won't be able to see subtitles, which will be disappointing for them.
23:17 Speaker 02 Sure. It was probably scaring them a bit, being a technology that maybe was invented after their death.
23:23 Speaker 00 Yes. So, yeah, that's.
23:23 Speaker 02 So that might be making them feel better, that they are now not as freaked out by it.
23:28 Speaker 00 Absolutely.
23:32 Speaker 02 We've got a kind of a reverse one here, Ando. This is from Ed from the Netherlands. Uh, he says, right before a big deadline the other week, my computer keyboard decided to give up on me, leaving me unable to finish the work in time. I have since replaced it with a new keyboard, but I keep the old one on my desk, so it has to watch, reflect and think about the chaos it caused.
23:53 Speaker 00 It is a bit of a reverse one.
23:59 Speaker 02 It's the only way out of learning.
24:01 Speaker 00 You don't do that often in real life, do you? Where you you get replaced, but then you have to stay at the workplace and see how much better the new guy is at the job than you are.
24:10 Speaker 02 This is why we got rid of you.
24:11 Speaker 00 I would love that, actually. There's certain people we've worked with over time where when they've been replaced, I've gone, gee, this person can actually do the job. It'd be nice for them to wander back in and go, hey, have a look.
24:22 Speaker 02 For my Hoyts getting Jack back, we're like, see these boys? Look at how they just give all the change over to the customer. Keep none for themselves.
24:32 Speaker 00 Allegedly. Allegedly. This is from Alex, extreme empath. I pump my boobs for breastfeeding and one boob is definitely way more productive than the other. On my tracking app, though, I consistently submit the quantity as 50/50 split.
24:47 Speaker 02 It's all coming from the same tank.
24:49 Speaker 00 Across the left and the right, I certainly don't want to embarrass the other boob or make it feel bad that it's not producing as much.
24:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, you don't want it to give up overnight. Just feel like, well, if you're always playing favorites, then what's the point of it being?
25:06 Speaker 00 Wake up and it's not there.
25:09 Speaker 02 You know what? I'm out.
25:10 Speaker 00 I'm out of here.
25:11 Speaker 02 You love Lefty so much, let's just say you feed the whole baby from Lefty.
25:16 Speaker 02 Ando, this this comes in from Elliot. He's in the UK. Now, you might need a bit of special information here, but I'm happy to provide it because I'm an extreme empath. I always have been, always, always will be. Weirdly, I have very little empathy for humans, which might be the case for extreme empaths. Maybe they're using it all on inanimate objects. Often find myself thinking about this one and it makes me sad. Mega Bloks, which for those that don't know, they're kind of imitation Lego.
25:41 Speaker 00 Okay.
25:42 Speaker 02 Similar, but they're not official Lego and I can go into the reasons why they're deeply inferior. I'm also contractually, I'm not ever, I'm not allowed to ever hold them, be photographed with them.
25:53 Speaker 00 Of course.
25:54 Speaker 02 Certainly not promote them in any way.
25:55 Speaker 00 Yes.
25:56 Speaker 02 It makes me sad that they're never going to be as popular as Lego. Well, I can tell you why Elliot, again, it's the chemical makeup. They don't have the correct clutch power and they are inferior. Whenever a kid opens Mega Bloks as a present, they're always a little bit disappointed that it's not Lego. It's not the Mega Bloks fault, they just want to be loved and played with.
26:14 Speaker 00 Well, you didn't really.
26:16 Speaker 02 Again, Elliot, it is the Mega Bloks fault.
26:20 Speaker 02 I might have editorialised this one, Tim.
26:26 Speaker 00 Like it. This is from Sachi. I've always known that I'm an extreme empath, but last night was a severe case. I was making dinner and decided to turn on the heater in the lounge room so I could read a book afterwards. Anyway, fast forward an hour and I was locking the house before going to bed and I stumbled across the warm room I'd forgotten about.
26:48 Speaker 00 With guilt, I turned off the heater and made my way to bed. After five minutes of lying there, I couldn't bear to think the heater had heated up the room and went to all that effort to warm it for me. So I got out of bed and went to the lounge room and read until the room became cold again.
27:08 Speaker 02 I mean, it's also, there's also a cost factor there to that. You'd be like, look, I've paid for this heat.
27:12 Speaker 00 Yes.
27:12 Speaker 02 And might as well absorb some of it into my skin.
27:14 Speaker 00 I do have that all the time when I've ordered food and I'm like, I've ordered way too much, but I've paid for it now. I have to be a glutton.
27:21 Speaker 02 Something has to be eaten here. Speaking of eating, this is a whopper, but I think it needs to all be read.
27:28 Speaker 00 Great.
27:28 Speaker 02 Tim, who's in France, he said, my girlfriend and I, we work on a river barge in the Burgundy region of France. We take mostly American tourists up and down the canals of the area where they eat and drink fancy French food and wine. While working on the boat, we eat about 90% of the same food as the guests and drink whatever wine happens not to be drunk by the guests. So I don't know if they're eating it off the plate, but I think it's just sort of same kitchen. I guess being mostly American, they're very well off. They're not concerned about getting filthy money and out of every last pint of glass. And they almost always have leftover food on their plate. And the cruise throws it into the river, throws the food into the river to feed the, he points out here, the pescavorna. So feed the fish.
28:08 Speaker 00 Yep.
28:09 Speaker 02 So it's good for the fish to throw the food into the river. At the conclusion of the main meal, but before the dessert of each lunch, we always serve a local cheese to round out the culinary experience. That is the French custom. You always finish with a cheese dish. Must be very nice. There's often cheese leftover that makes its way into the fridge of the crew and it's not thrown out overboard because cheese obviously lasts a lot longer and it's too good, it's too tempting for the crew to throw it overboard. They just keep it. Now, admittedly, he says, well, the fish eat very well from the leftovers we throw to them. I often picture them being French fish, sitting disappointed at the bottom of the canal when the meal is not followed by a cheese course, as is the traditional French way.
28:51 Speaker 02 So each meal, after we throw over the leftover food, I secretly go and cut off a piece of cheese, breaking it into several small pieces and then furtively tossing the cheese into the river after all the leftovers have been tossed in, so the fish can finish their meal in the customary fashion.
29:10 Speaker 02 Now, that's not empathy for an inanimate object, but that is a deep level of feeling for a fish who must be fed degustations. Like, I assume these fish are eating, pretty happy eating a worm. When, but when Tim and his girlfriend are cruising, they will get the full course.
29:33 Speaker 02 I want to introduce you to something that's going on at my house, but it might happen at yours, but I'm sure it happens at some houses. Nub hunting.
29:42 Speaker 00 What's a nub?
29:43 Speaker 02 Let me explain. In our house, we, I would say we have a medium to high consumption of bread. We've got school lunches, we've got toast, we've got a pretty, probably a pretty regular flow of bread.
29:55 Speaker 00 Are you just going one to what, by the way? Just going plain white? Cause my.
29:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, like loaf, like kids, kids bread. We have kids bread and we have grownups. And so the kids bread is just, you know, that's your supermarket loaf and that's what's getting pumped out for school lunches and kids toast. Once a week, this is a little bit of a self-reporting must be nice. We get a loaf, um, sometimes it's a sourdough loaf, sometimes it's a miche, uh, if you're familiar with that. Yeah, it was just a nice cut of bread, like a Cobb loaf. It's not sliced, that's just a fresh bakery.
30:27 Speaker 00 That's how you know it's good.
30:28 Speaker 02 That's how you know it's good. And that's once a week and that's was for mum and dad. Was for mum and dad and the kids, but very clear delineation, you guys are having the square stuff.
30:38 Speaker 00 Yes.
30:38 Speaker 02 That's a mum and dad life. When it's fresh and you cut the nub off the end. Yes. And then you eat it just with butter. That could be my favorite part of the week. Excluding podcasting, but this is also a fun day of the week. The nub is the best. It fills me with a. Why people don't like the nub? No, no, no. You're not. You don't understand the loaf that you're, this is a fresh sourdough loaf. No, but you wouldn't run after the end of a, of a white bread that you're getting from a supermarket. No, that's duck food. Yes. No, this, I'm talking about the nub of a well baked loaf, a cob. Let's just go sourdough. I like the nub, but I'm just saying.
31:21 Speaker 02 I don't know if you do to even imagine that no one would like it. A lot of people don't like the end crust, too crusty. Beck doesn't like a nub, for instance. Well, then be braver. Have more powerful teeth because the nub, the loaf we're buying, it's like a, almost a caramel-y, chewy. Okay. Crust. Yeah. It's phenomenal. And you put it with a lot of butter and you just have a little moment by yourself in the kitchen and you just go, what a day. I'm loving it. I'm having a great day. I'm nubbing it. I'm nubbing life. The thing is, there's two nubs on a loaf. Yeah. And if you have so much fun eating one nub. Yeah. Imagine the fun is right there to have the other nub. Yes.
32:01 Speaker 02 This is probably Virgin Dub's at Andy territory. After I finish consuming the nub, I will look down the other end of the loaf and go, well, do we go again? Yeah. We enjoyed it so much the first time. Do we keep this party going? And once you've tasted, once you've got like nub coursing through your veins. Yes. It's very hard to stop. So I will then cut the other nub off and I'll have a little nub party with dad. Zoe does not appreciate this because now the bread is going stale from two ends. Yes. And I've been told, you gotta stop double nubbing. Yeah, that's fair. We only buy one of these a week and now the air is getting in from both ends. Yeah.
32:42 Speaker 02 And the, the, like the bench life of the sourdough is like three days, maybe four days. The problem is, if you wait until you've eaten all the bread and then the nub is your prize, it's not fluffy. No. It's not. Yeah, it's a stale nub. It's a, no, it doesn't, might not be a stale nub, but there's nothing like the taste of first day bread. Yeah. The problem is, Sonny, my 11 year old, he is aware of the nub. I shouldn't have let him see how much pleasure it was giving me, but he's seen how delicious a nub is. Now he's nub hunting. Yeah, right. And things are getting a little out of hand at home. It's a bit, this is, happens in nature. The young bull takes a shot at the old dog.
33:27 Speaker 02 His, his horns are growing and we are locking horns over, we have a lot of different animals in this analogy, but let's just settle with deers or impalas. And we're butting heads over who has nub rights. I've got a lot of arguments on my side of the fence. We already have bread for you. You have the square bread. This is the grown up's bread. I don't think your jork can handle it. Um, I paid for it, but he's sneaking in, he's sneaking in and he's, he's getting the nub. And then the other day, he got two nubs. He won. He double nubbed before I could even get to the loaf. And that, that's like crushing the family car. You know, it was just, I was so shocked. I was like, what? What have you done? What have you, this is not the boy I raised.
34:12 Speaker 02 You've stolen both nubs. It is exactly me. It's exactly the boy. And that's often the stuff that affects us the most, because it's exactly our personality. I said, mate, this is, he goes, I'm loving it. Dad, I love the nub. Get it? I love the nub, but it's a very big deal for me. I love the nub. I think he just likes it. Then this is the kicker. So we've tried to have a bit of a nub truce. Okay, we'll go one for one. And I was like, Sonny, you know, we both know it has to happen on the fresh day. It's like 300% better on the fresh day. The other day I walk in and again, if you can imagine, it's like a football shaped loaf, right? Like obviously like an oval, flat football.
34:52 Speaker 02 He, very smart boy, very proud of him for this, but angry at him at the same time, has figured out there's two nubs. A top nub. There's actually four nubs, if you go on the side. So he's cut the sides off as well.
35:06 Speaker 02 And I hold the bread and I go, what is this? And he goes, did you know there's four?
35:12 Speaker 02 There is four nubs.
35:13 Speaker 00 There are not as nubby, but it's, it's, it's.
35:16 Speaker 02 They are the edges of the bread, the maximum kind of crust to bread dispersion.
35:22 Speaker 00 Well, that would, Zoe wouldn't have taken that.
35:24 Speaker 02 Because Zoe's furious as well. Like, we're actually on a two, we're currently, currently serving a two week suspension.
35:33 Speaker 02 Because of the lack of respect we've shown to the bread. So both Sunny and I are biding our time until the next loaf makes it in the house. And it's just, it is going to be a nub fest. I don't, I wouldn't put it past him to shave the top off. To almost just peel the whole bread of crust like an orange.
35:52 Speaker 02 Eat the whole thing at once.
35:59 Speaker 00 Hey, this email fell on my side of the fence. HamishNatty.com, if you ever want to get in touch with us about anything. Comes from Mark. He wants to nominate his friend Sam for a gusto check.
36:11 Speaker 02 This Sam is a pretty, well, he has a significant role in the history of gusto, does he not, Ando?
36:17 Speaker 00 Exactly. Mark says Sam, his friend, was the caller who first said, and gusto to you during an upset Andy. Have a listen back to this.
36:26 Speaker 02 Sam has got something to upset you. Ahoy, Sam.
36:29 Speaker 06 Ahoy, boys. Gusto to you.
36:31 Speaker 00 Gusto to you.
36:37 Speaker 02 That's great. I don't know if we've done that before, but it feels very, it's like a fun version of Handmaid's Tale, isn't it? Under his eye and gusto to you.
36:47 Speaker 00 So it made sense that we should circle back, complete the circle and go, okay. If he is the one that's throwing a gusto to you, hopefully in his workplace, he's bringing the gusto.
36:57 Speaker 02 Yeah. How's his gusto?
36:58 Speaker 00 Hey, a tough assignment for you because we're in, he's, he works at a place called Iterant Tech Recruiting. Your job's to call them. Give you some details here. Mark suggesting that you pretend to be a candidate for as about a software developer role.
37:15 Speaker 02 Okay.
37:15 Speaker 00 We've got to try and I think you're you don't want to get.
37:17 Speaker 02 So I'm someone in software development. So I'm just going to do a little Google here to get some key terms because.
37:23 Speaker 00 Yes, and I don't.
37:24 Speaker 02 I feel like I would.
37:25 Speaker 00 Don't get in the weeds about the role, mate. I reckon just try and do.
37:27 Speaker 02 No, I'm going to try and just get him to talk. I've got to try and ask him some questions.
37:31 Speaker 00 Yes.
37:32 Speaker 02 But what I'm saying is much harder assignment than calling a cafe.
37:36 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
37:36 Speaker 02 What's your specials today? What would you recommend? That's the usual gusto check. So to get gusto from someone in tech recruiting. It's not impossible. I'm just saying the bar's a little higher.
37:49 Speaker 00 Have you?
37:50 Speaker 02 Yep, I think I've got a page. Yep, I've got a webpage here that says the things that one might need for a software development.
37:58 Speaker 00 Good luck. Jack, you got the number?
38:09 Speaker 06 Hello, Sam speaking.
38:10 Speaker 02 Okay, Sam, my name's Goran Bedard. I got your number from Michael. I bumped into him in a cafe.
38:17 Speaker 06 Yeah.
38:18 Speaker 02 Is this Sam from iterate?
38:21 Speaker 06 Yeah, correct.
38:21 Speaker 02 Yes, sorry, I'm actually just moved down from Sydney and looking for a, well, looking for a position ideally software development, but something in the field. And I heard you guys were the people to talk to.
38:38 Speaker 06 Yes, definitely, definitely the person to speak to. What did you say your name was? Sorry?
38:42 Speaker 02 Goran, G O R O N.
38:45 Speaker 06 G O R N.
38:46 Speaker 02 G O R O N.
38:49 Speaker 06 G O R O N. Okay, cool. And what kind of software developer are you, Goran? What do you what do you do?
38:55 Speaker 02 I have a master's in machine learning from UTS, but I'd love to get I'd love to get something, maybe maybe in agile or Scrum.
39:08 Speaker 06 Yeah, what's your what's your coding language of choice?
39:11 Speaker 02 Oh, well, I probably do most of it, you know, Java, C++, I can kind of a lot of different things. But I suppose my question for you is what how many how many jobs do you guys have on the books?
39:25 Speaker 02 How is that? I mean, this was almost impossible.
39:31 Speaker 02 There's only so much I can do just scrolling up and down Google.
39:34 Speaker 00 Damn it.
39:36 Speaker 02 What gave it away?
39:37 Speaker 06 Very quickly, I thought it earlier and I was like, if it is a candidate, I can't just be like.
39:43 Speaker 02 You called it pretty, you called it pretty early. I mean, I don't think I said anything, I didn't go, what's your coding language? I didn't go like German.
39:52 Speaker 06 Gusto to you all.
39:53 Speaker 00 Our gusto to you.
39:55 Speaker 02 He's too good. He knows.
39:57 Speaker 00 We were just.
39:57 Speaker 02 Your gusto was very high. I will give you that, even when you thought you were talking to Goran.
40:02 Speaker 00 And as, as you did, um, give us the term and gusto to you, we thought it was only fair to give you a gusto check yourself.
40:10 Speaker 02 All these years later.
40:12 Speaker 00 Now. Well, we can only measure it on the initial bits where you weren't suspicious of Hame. I thought the hello was definitely up vibe. Jack, what did you? No, hi gusto. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I gave that a, oh, an eight and eight and a half. It's hard to get a full 10, but.
40:27 Speaker 02 I'm not even scoring because I was actually meant to be fully in character, but I couldn't help but notice. When I said, are you the right people to come to? The level of gusto I know were definitely the right people to come to. That was super high as well.
40:38 Speaker 00 Yep. And then the questions after that, um, well, we're pretty full on to be honest.
40:45 Speaker 02 Well, I, I didn't appreciate it because that was where I really felt like you were grilling me.
40:52 Speaker 00 But I, but again, that was said in a nice manner. I, I, I feel like we can't, he's doing the right thing by his company. I don't think we can mark him down on how he's certainly turned the hot lamp on you.
41:03 Speaker 02 What should I have said? Yeah. I know, I know this isn't the point of it, but what should I have said when you said what language you programmed in?
41:10 Speaker 00 You convinced me.
41:12 Speaker 06 To be honest, I wouldn't, I wouldn't ask that question. That was just a barb to be like, I feel like someone's stopping with me here. When you said all of them, I, uh, yeah, that was a pretty big trigger.
41:24 Speaker 02 Could have lost you. Could have lost you to have a huge recruitment fish there mate. Imagine having someone that could do all of them.
41:29 Speaker 00 Sam, I think we can't properly check on the gusto today. So the test itself is null and void, but we do appreciate you being a part of the show.
41:39 Speaker 02 I mean, Sam, how ready were you for this? I mean, it's been years. Were you expecting this?
41:45 Speaker 06 No, not at all. But I do listen to the podcast a lot. So that voice, you probably needed to put some sort of voice modifier on it because I was like, I've heard this before.
41:55 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah, just the stabbing.
41:56 Speaker 02 G'day mate, just want to get a bloody job in programming.
42:00 Speaker 00 Now that, that's what I'll go with next time.
42:03 Speaker 02 Sam, Jake, thanks mate. Cheers.
42:05 Speaker 06 Cheers mate.
42:06 Speaker 00 Gusto to you.
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