Chinese Mamdani, Candace Owens Debate, & Luigi's Confession

YERRRR this week, we're chatting about: - You can negotiate with EVERYONE including doctors - Andrew's nose - Conspiracies around Luigi Mangione - Candace Owens debate with Andrew Wilson - Mamdani's a political superstar - The death of monoculture and much, much more. Timestamps: 0:00 We can swim + Memphis diving 4:05 Private Clubs + No Kippah swimming 5:34 Toupee should be a kippah 7:08 Airlines, Sexism & College goers 11:27 KKK are pu55y + Upstate NY 13:17 Movie shooting + Andrew's nose 19:09 Cosmetic surgery, Dentists Upselling + Negotiating 32:06 Appropriating cultures, Baby Teeth + Dentist trips 38:48 Tonsil Hustle + Cavity Up-chargers 41:32 Luigi Mangione Conspiracies + Flock cameras 44:20 AI complaints 49:30 Luigi Mangione Plea + Jail more forever 53:45 3D print the nukes + Iranian sense of humour 56:32 Frontline report, Have a nuke + Hitting our allies 1:02:09 Tipping, Self Checkouts + Dunkin Donuts 1:12:47 Summer Streets, Suffer in NYC + Brooklyn transplants 1:26:53 Mamdani's a superstar, DSA + Flowers 1:40:18 Candace debate, Nuance = dead + Monoculture 1:50:01 Authority, Cults + Tentpole Events 1:56:20 Lakers being sold is barely news 1:59:54 Cocaine Frat Cowboys + Appealing for extremes 2:03:51 YouTube new policy + Speaking to normies 2:08:41 Art cuts through, Grass is greener + Culture flattened 2:16:18 Debating, Mamdani's list + Outside of capitalism 2:24:14 Breaking up monopolies + Prescriptions This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  When you're swimming around, not you, but like when black people are swimming around white people. Is it like the same thing as like trying to speak French around the French?

• 0:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, we can swim. I'm telling you, I think we beat this stereotype. Maybe not the South, but the coastal blacks, we swim.

• 0:19Speaker 00

  You know what you guys gotta work on though? Diving.

• 0:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:24Speaker 00

  It's not, it's not.

• 0:27Mark Gagnon?

  I was like even thinking about myself, yeah, I could use some work there, yeah.

• 0:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's like a lot like goes into it. It feels like too much thought goes into it.

• 0:34Speaker 03

  They invented new diving. Have you seen when they do the parties and everyone backflips in the pool?

• 0:39Speaker 00

  Oh, Memphis.

• 0:39Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 0:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Memphis slice, dude.

• 0:42Speaker 00

  Oh, is that in Memphis?

• 0:44Mark Gagnon?

  Let me check.

• 0:45Speaker 00

  Oh, well, that makes sense because of the, uh.

• 0:47Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't even know Memphis had water.

• 0:48Speaker 00

  What is that street in Memphis that they do the backflips down?

• 0:51Mark Gagnon?

  I've never heard of that.

• 0:52Speaker 00

  Beal, was that one? Is that Beal Street? Yeah. And they like basically do like gymnastics down. They just start doing these flips.

• 1:01Mark Gagnon?

  Shut up, Austin.

• 1:02Speaker 00

  You haven't seen this? The Beal Street Flippers?

• 1:06Speaker 03

  But like this shit right here, you guys invented new diving.

• 1:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, fully clothed, it's crazy.

• 1:15Speaker 00

  Nah, this is just.

• 1:16Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 1:28Speaker 03

  I mean, that's awesome.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a word for it.

• 1:32Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 1:33Speaker 02

  That's a word for it.

• 1:34Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying. You guys, there was a barrier in your way. White people, white people were controlling pool culture and you said, no, watch this. Watch this dive.

• 1:44Speaker 03

  That's fire.

• 1:45Mark Gagnon?

  I hate that you found this.

• 1:47Speaker 03

  It's not me. It's not me, bro.

• 1:49Speaker 00

  We, you know, we go do cannonball. We go do belly flop.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  The court crew?

• 1:54Speaker 00

  You know, we got some thing, the jackknife.

• 1:56Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like fully clothed.

• 1:58Speaker 00

  Now, fully clothed is crazy with the shoes. Crazy.

• 2:03Mark Gagnon?

  Like you're attending a pool party.

• 2:06Speaker 00

  But can you break down the logic here? Like?

• 2:08Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, this is fun. This does look like a lot of fun.

• 2:11Speaker 00

  It's so much fun. What's the logic though?

• 2:14Mark Gagnon?

  You know, you gotta jump in and get to the wall quick.

• 2:24Mark Gagnon?

  Get quick, bro.

• 2:25Speaker 03

  Cause those breads are gonna wear you down. Yeah, I mean, those are gonna, those are gonna take you down a couple, couple of feet.

• 2:31Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's, that's part of it too.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  Swimming in shoes is, is, that's, that's.

• 2:34Speaker 00

  Impossible.

• 2:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35Mark Gagnon?

  Wild.

• 2:36Speaker 00

  That's the other thing that we gotta do. It's like.

• 2:38Mark Gagnon?

  You know, that's progressive. We not caring that much about our sneakers anymore.

• 2:43Speaker 00

  Or women being in the pool party.

• 2:47Speaker 00

  But can you explain that part of it?

• 2:49Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, they did, they did.

• 2:50Speaker 00

  Are they?

• 2:50Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, they did.

• 2:51Speaker 00

  But like you're scaring them, you're scaring those, right? Like they're not gonna get wet if you're just doing backflips with your sneakers on in the pool.

• 2:57Mark Gagnon?

  That is very true. That's very true, yeah.

• 2:59Speaker 03

  I mean, and then there was this one, like this, this does not happen at white pool parties. This shit is fire. You saw this?

• 3:04Speaker 02

  No, show me this one.

• 3:05Speaker 03

  Ass. Five million views. Bang.

• 3:10Mark Gagnon?

  See? See?

• 3:13Speaker 03

  No one even asked her to do this. She just busted this out.

• 3:15Mark Gagnon?

  Sue, I'm asking.

• 3:21Speaker 03

  I mean, this is amazing.

• 3:23Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, man. So.

• 3:25Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying.

• 3:25Speaker 00

  How'd you even get this?

• 3:27Mark Gagnon?

  That's talent, guys.

• 3:28Speaker 03

  Oh, you think she can't dive? Watch this.

• 3:30Mark Gagnon?

  Come on now.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  Look, she can't.

• 3:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a beautiful.

• 3:34Mark Gagnon?

  That was no splash. That's like all 10 done that.

• 3:37Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying. I, I wanna see a full like Memphis diving competition. I think that's what we need in the Olympics.

• 3:43Mark Gagnon?

  I wanna see those.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  I think we need Memphis, Memphis high dive. And I think that's a new Olympic sport. If you get the full backflip with the Jordans on.

• 3:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, our pool party's different, man.

• 3:54Speaker 00

  How did we even get to this? Oh, we were asking Al what he'd been up to. And he's, he was saying that the, the different, uh.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Is what he wants the Dumbo pool to look like?

• 4:02Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 4:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yes. Yeah, it is.

• 4:04Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 4:05Mark Gagnon?

  That's what it should look like.

• 4:06Speaker 00

  Al's, Al's private member club that he's part of is, he's alleging is segregated in the city.

• 4:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's no longer, and that's why I'm upset.

• 4:15Speaker 00

  Oh, so you're one of those.

• 4:19Speaker 00

  Blacks are better off during segregation.

• 4:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 4:22Speaker 00

  Because there was more room at the pool.

• 4:23Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, just let us thrive. Leave us alone. That was the best house.

• 4:27Speaker 00

  That was the best house.

• 4:28Mark Gagnon?

  They wanna come to our house cause it's the best house. We have the best music.

• 4:31Speaker 00

  It is, it is.

• 4:32Mark Gagnon?

  The best views.

• 4:33Speaker 00

  There's a pool at the other one too.

• 4:35Mark Gagnon?

  And it's shit.

• 4:36Speaker 00

  Ah, I see.

• 4:38Mark Gagnon?

  It's tiny. And like, they want some more rooms, more space. You know how they do.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can't jackknife into that pool.

• 4:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 4:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, I get it.

• 4:46Mark Gagnon?

  So a couple tiny hats swimming there too, you know?

• 4:49Speaker 00

  Did they? Were they?

• 4:50Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I'm joking. Nah, nah, nah.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, do they swim with the keeper?

• 4:56Speaker 03

  That's an interesting question. No. They, they take it off. They don't have a waterproof one?

• 5:01Speaker 00

  Um.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  You would think, right?

• 5:03Mark Gagnon?

  Do you know this for certain? I feel like.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  My gym has a pool and there's a lot of, of seeds there. And they, they get in it without it.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  Really?

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, otherwise you're clipping on. It's just a, yeah.

• 5:15Speaker 03

  I mean, you'd think they get like a small swim cap.

• 5:18Speaker 00

  Or just a swim cap.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  Or just a swim cap.

• 5:20Speaker 00

  Oh, that's the thing I saw on a flight. I was telling Marcus, the captain of the, of the pilot, what are they called? Pilot.

• 5:28Speaker 00

  The, uh.

• 5:28Speaker 03

  Gosh damn. The driver. The air chauffeur.

• 5:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, so the, the, the pilot, I'm pretty sure, he had a toupee. So he had, he had fake hair, hairpiece. And then he had a yarmulke over the toupee.

• 5:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yes. Yeah.

• 5:46Speaker 00

  No.

• 5:47Mark Gagnon?

  Why?

• 5:48Speaker 00

  Cause.

• 5:48Mark Gagnon?

  You gotta throw them off.

• 5:50Speaker 00

  No, it's double. But it's double.

• 5:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 5:54Speaker 00

  The yarmulke is just covering your, your head for God. But you're doing it with the toupee.

• 6:00Speaker 03

  The toupee's already half.

• 6:00Speaker 00

  Adding the yarmulke is performative.

• 6:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that must've been a bad toupee if you can tell. If the yarmulke's covering half of the shit.

• 6:07Speaker 00

  It's not covering half. It's just the top part. But the toupee you see right here. You don't see back here.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  Was it a bad toupee?

• 6:13Speaker 00

  Oh, it was horrible.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  You think he skimped out?

• 6:14Speaker 00

  I thought something was off. When I looked at it, I was like, what exactly? Something's weird about this guy. And I was like, okay, yeah, it's toupee. And then I saw the yarmulke.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Are you saying he got like a cheap one?

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Is that what you're saying?

• 6:25Speaker 00

  Mark?

• 6:25Speaker 03

  Is that what you're saying? He's inferencing. He's inferencing right now.

• 6:30Mark Gagnon?

  He can fucking fly himself to Turkey for free. I don't trust that pilot, bro.

• 6:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, that is a good point.

• 6:35Mark Gagnon?

  I don't trust that pilot.

• 6:36Speaker 00

  He might've been a flight attendant. But he was talking at the beginning of the flight, like usually the pilot comes on and briefs everybody.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 6:43Speaker 00

  Right?

• 6:44Speaker 03

  No.

• 6:44Speaker 00

  No?

• 6:46Speaker 02

  Like safety briefing?

• 6:47Speaker 00

  Hey, I assume if they're.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  You're on a plane every fucking week.

• 6:51Speaker 00

  Can I tell you? Can I tell you? I assume if, if they're straight, they're the pilot. If it's a man and they're straight, I assume it's a pilot. Sometimes they are flight attendants for whatever reason. But if I assume, see, you're a man, you're straight, I assume you're a pilot. So that's what, he could've been a flight attendant.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  That's fair.

• 7:07Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 7:08Speaker 03

  That's fair.

• 7:08Mark Gagnon?

  I miss the sexist, um, airlines.

• 7:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's still a sexist.

• 7:14Mark Gagnon?

  Nah.

• 7:15Speaker 00

  Son, they make them wear heels until the plane takes off.

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:19Speaker 00

  But you have to part of the outfit.

• 7:20Mark Gagnon?

  The heels are like this.

• 7:21Speaker 00

  Still, it's like.

• 7:22Mark Gagnon?

  Nah.

• 7:22Speaker 00

  On your toes, bitch. Like Delta. He's like, on your toes, bitch. The second they go up in the air, they get to.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  They gotta close the cabins. That helps. It's a part of the job.

• 7:32Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  It gives them a little bit of a lift.

• 7:33Speaker 00

  That is why they do it.

• 7:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 7:35Speaker 00

  Not to see those tense castes walking through the aisle.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 7:38Mark Gagnon?

  There's too many dude flight attendants now. They're mixing it up too much.

• 7:43Speaker 00

  Well, the other girls have OnlyFans. The girls can get a job at a fucking bottle service or something like that. That used to be a good job for a lady. Like back in the day, before they were going to college.

• 7:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:54Mark Gagnon?

  Shit.

• 7:56Speaker 03

  Before shit, before college was allowed.

• 7:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, but women didn't really go to college until recently.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:02Speaker 00

  And then it got really expensive for all of us. Isn't that interesting?

• 8:06Speaker 00

  Isn't that interesting how that happens?

• 8:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a good point. Did they hike up the prices?

• 8:10Speaker 00

  Dude, nobody went to college back in the day. It was like a big deal that I think my dad went to college.

• 8:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:15Speaker 00

  But what percentage of people went to college in like the sixties?

• 8:18Speaker 03

  Let's find out. It doesn't seem like very many though.

• 8:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 8:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:22Mark Gagnon?

  My mom was one of seven, only one who went to college.

• 8:26Speaker 00

  Only one went to college?

• 8:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  I think I went to college.

• 8:29Speaker 00

  And was that like an integration thing? Like how did that work?

• 8:34Speaker 00

  Did the feds get called in?

• 8:38Speaker 00

  Was it? No, no, no. It's probably fine, right? I told you this story where they called my dad and asked him if it was okay if his roommate was black?

• 8:46Speaker 03

  No way.

• 8:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, my dad went to Kenyon College and they called him.

• 8:50Mark Gagnon?

  Your dad's old, bro.

• 8:53Speaker 00

  So then they called him. No, it gets better. They called him. They're like, were you okay if, if, if your roommate is black? And my dad was like, yeah, I don't care. He's black. And, um, turns out to be gay also.

• 9:07Speaker 00

  My dad's like, you didn't fucking tell me this. This guy's getting his back blown out right next to me. We shared a fucking dorm room.

• 9:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, that is gonna disrupt your life a little more.

• 9:18Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:19Speaker 00

  My boy Evan, his roommate, first year of college, gay. And I went to visit him the first weekend of college. Another dude in the room just getting rinsed.

• 9:27Speaker 03

  No.

• 9:27Speaker 00

  Yep. And I was like, yo, Ev, what are you gonna do? Cause there's no way you're gonna put up, Evan's sleeping on the fucking couch cause his roommate's just getting ripped apart.

• 9:37Speaker 03

  Wait, was it like a single dorm where you shared beds in the same room?

• 9:39Speaker 00

  It was like a, uh, there was like three bedrooms in a area. So like they all shared a kind of like living room area.

• 9:48Speaker 03

  Bathroom and like a douching area?

• 9:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent. But yeah, he was just getting ripped apart, man. You just heard him getting torn up. Just absolutely torn up, dude. It was just crazy.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  You gotta put a sock in the door.

• 10:01Speaker 00

  Evan was just sleeping on the couch, like getting cucked your first night of college by your gay roommate, who's just getting his shit fucking absolutely ripped in half.

• 10:12Speaker 00

  Dude, it was insanity.

• 10:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a good introduction to college, though.

• 10:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Shout out to New Paltz. Shout out to New Paltz.

• 10:21Speaker 03

  Up in New Paltz? That's rare up there.

• 10:23Speaker 00

  No, it's lived up.

• 10:24Speaker 03

  Really?

• 10:25Speaker 00

  Every college.

• 10:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, all the.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  I figured New Paltz is a little grungier.

• 10:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but all the students.

• 10:29Speaker 00

  New Paltz is like granola.

• 10:31Speaker 03

  Really?

• 10:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, all like upstate. Upstate is like, you're either the most like hippie liberal or just you're it's MAGA fucking racist. Like, upstate New York is crazy.

• 10:41Mark Gagnon?

  They still got KKK up there.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  No.

• 10:42Mark Gagnon?

  Like legit.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  In New York?

• 10:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like way upstate.

• 10:46Speaker 03

  There's no way.

• 10:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  Have you, how do you know this?

• 10:49Mark Gagnon?

  Um, I was up there one time and I didn't see the whole this situation, but there was like, fuck, what was it? It was like a gathering and it was that. And I was told it was that.

• 11:00Speaker 00

  Was it possible you guys were doing corkscrews into the fucking communal pool? They just need to clean that up a little bit? Okay, can you take your fucking shoes off before you do a corkscrew into our communal pool?

• 11:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you think they letting us in the pool?

• 11:14Speaker 00

  I think that'd be their dream. Wait, they're doing it themselves?

• 11:22Mark Gagnon?

  Hold on, they do have KKK up there and Portland.

• 11:24Speaker 00

  How many KKK? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, do you think KKK is even? Like, why you hiding it, bro? Like, if you, at this point, if you KKK, you pussy, bro, because this white boy saying N-word on fucking Twitch.

• 11:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 11:39Speaker 00

  Like, you just pussy.

• 11:40Mark Gagnon?

  But it's just a place to hang out with your boys. And it's just like, alright, that's our gang. We got Crimson Bloods.

• 11:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, but like, imagine that was the only thing that you had in common with people.

• 11:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but they not putting in no more work. So it's just an excuse to get away from their wives and hang with the boys.

• 11:57Speaker 00

  Son, it was.

• 11:58Mark Gagnon?

  It's probably not.

• 11:59Speaker 00

  What if that's what KKK? What if that was what KKK? Wouldn't we forgive them a little bit? What if, what if they had like a meeting with the Black Panthers and the KKK, that both of them came together and they're like, you're just getting away from your wife too? And you're like, alright, let's keep it up. Fuck you guys, no, fuck you guys. You just see a wink.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  They're like, no blacks, no Jews, no wives.

• 12:19Speaker 00

  No wives. That's golf. Like, the golf course is just, just start letting women in, and the Masters one, still, did they start? No, they still don't let women in.

• 12:29Speaker 03

  In Augusta?

• 12:30Speaker 00

  Augusta.

• 12:31Mark Gagnon?

  See how much fun the black Israelites be having on the corner? Come on, never a woman a rap. They have so much fun. That's why when you walk by with your lady, they try and break you up so you can have some fun with them.

• 12:42Speaker 00

  Bro.

• 12:44Mark Gagnon?

  It's like, get that white devil out of here, come fuck with the gang, you know? They just having fun out there.

• 12:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 12:51Mark Gagnon?

  Hooting and hollering.

• 12:52Speaker 00

  So you really, so there was, yeah, you felt like a racist presence when you were up there?

• 12:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  Really? But then also you.

• 12:56Mark Gagnon?

  But I was like told by somebody I was with.

• 12:59Speaker 00

  But there's also that like, almost like performative, like acceptance that's up there. Like the hippie shit.

• 13:05Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, that wasn't everywhere. It was just like one small area. But yeah, I've been to like Woodstock and it's mad cool over there.

• 13:10Speaker 00

  Super.

• 13:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 13:12Speaker 00

  Super. Yeah.

• 13:14Speaker 03

  Damn, I didn't realize it was still like that in New York.

• 13:17Mark Gagnon?

  What you up to, bro?

• 13:19Speaker 00

  Bro, I was just doing that movie on the West Coast, and that was cool. That was cool.

• 13:26Mark Gagnon?

  Is it done?

• 13:27Speaker 00

  I think I gotta go back for one more day. I think they're shooting this week.

• 13:31Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 13:31Speaker 00

  But I gotta go back maybe for like one more day.

• 13:33Mark Gagnon?

  Got it.

• 13:34Speaker 03

  Why did the, why did the makeup artists have to, have to do you like that?

• 13:36Speaker 00

  Oh, bro, I sent it to the thing? This is, this is so embarrassing. So there's this makeup artist, Akiko, Japanese lady, she's awesome. And she just takes a little bit of the hook off my nose because I've broken it so many times, it's just protruding in one angle. It looks like there's a fucking tree branch growing out of the side of my head before we show the public. Um, so she's, she's off one day and I show up one day and there's a new makeup artist. And she's like, uh, I'm just like, alright, so, you know, I don't know if Akiko told you how, you know, she does my makeup or whatever, but like, and then she goes, oh, no, no, she gave me a diagram of it. And I'm like, okay, this is gonna be like a legit diagram, like when you go to like a barber shop, there's different haircuts, whatever. This is the image that she shows. It's a Picasso painting of me.

• 14:21Mark Gagnon?

  How's she making, oh, that's foul.

• 14:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's, she was like, he's a tiki, he's a tiki head.

• 14:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:26Speaker 03

  He's like a Hawaiian, like.

• 14:28Mark Gagnon?

  He's an Easter Islander? They gave you freckles on your nose?

• 14:32Speaker 00

  I don't know what was going on. I didn't think I had freckles, but that hook right there is insane. Like, that's not what I think I look like.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't even understand what these.

• 14:41Speaker 00

  The lines are highlights.

• 14:43Mark Gagnon?

  Yo. The dashes. Is an Asian lady, like, has she draw white people eyes?

• 14:53Speaker 03

  Couple of round eyes up.

• 14:54Speaker 00

  In a round circle.

• 14:57Speaker 03

  Dude, some eyelashes, that was nice. I mean, and I don't even understand what these dots are.

• 15:02Speaker 00

  I'm just a Zulu warrior, dude.

• 15:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's just insane.

• 15:06Mark Gagnon?

  Makeup can make it look straight? They don't have to put like a prosthetic or some shit?

• 15:10Speaker 00

  Crazy. I don't trust nobody's face anymore. Like, I knew makeup could do shit, but like, they literally just make things disappear on your face.

• 15:18Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah. You still like, when girls do the fucking transformations with all the contour and shit like that, make them look like a completely different person.

• 15:24Speaker 00

  And they just take certain like, like, it's so funny because there's gonna be some girls on the internet, they're gonna watch us talk about makeup right now, and they're gonna be like, we've been tricking these dumb motherfuckers this whole time. But like, they'll like, put like a white line in the, you've seen that?

• 15:37Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 15:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, so you could take somebody with like a huge fucked up nose, you know, not referencing me at all, but like, and, and like you could do it just based on like shading, just make it look like a normal nose.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:49Speaker 00

  Why would anybody get a nose job?

• 15:51Mark Gagnon?

  Well, you gotta do that every day.

• 15:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:54Speaker 00

  But they're gonna put makeup on any day, every day anyway.

• 15:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, but this also requires skill. Akiko's a professional.

• 16:00Speaker 00

  That is true.

• 16:00Speaker 03

  You know, you gotta like spend hours in there, trying to shade it off.

• 16:04Speaker 00

  That is true.

• 16:05Speaker 03

  Also, I don't know if shade really affects the profile.

• 16:07Speaker 00

  Damn, damn.

• 16:11Speaker 03

  I'm just saying, shade is good head on.

• 16:13Mark Gagnon?

  He's like, I see it from the side every.

• 16:16Speaker 00

  Bro, what are we talking about? I'm telling Mark that like I got the fucking worst of both worlds because like I can't breathe out of my nose, so it's just like big for no reason.

• 16:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:25Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? Like, if you got a big gas tank, like at least you could go far.

• 16:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:29Speaker 00

  You know, but like, I kind of mouth breathe.

• 16:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, you got like the hummer of noses.

• 16:32Speaker 00

  Son, I'll wake up in the middle of the night and my mouth will be wide open. Like, my wife is kind for not just fucking pranking the shit out of me. Like, I see those, you ever see those videos where the guys like about to take the shot and then they throw a dildo in his mouth instead? That's the position I sleep in.

• 16:46Speaker 03

  Every night.

• 16:46Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 16:47Speaker 03

  It's just vulnerable.

• 16:48Speaker 00

  Every single night. She goes, I can't breathe out of my nose.

• 16:50Mark Gagnon?

  Your morning breath is probably the worst.

• 16:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, when you're on a mouth breathe, that's bad.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  You know, the looks maxi community has a lot to say about this.

• 16:57Speaker 00

  I know that they, they say you gotta, uh, mew.

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, you gotta mew and you gotta mouth tape.

• 17:02Speaker 00

  Mouth tape.

• 17:03Speaker 03

  If you mouth tape, you might die, though.

• 17:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'll suffocate. I honestly, I don't know if I'd be able to breathe. I went to some doctor when I broke my nose the last time on the fucking paddle racket. They're like, yeah, you, you have like one nostril, you have maybe like 10% air goes in, the other one, it's like 40%.

• 17:18Mark Gagnon?

  So just go for the nose job, bro. Like, you actually need it.

• 17:22Speaker 00

  If I'm gonna do it, I gotta make it like fun.

• 17:24Mark Gagnon?

  So you in movies now?

• 17:26Speaker 03

  Wait, what do you mean make it fun?

• 17:27Speaker 00

  Like, I gotta make it like, uh, Cindy Woo-hoo or whatever. Cindy Lou.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, go full.

• 17:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, I gotta go Whoville or something like that.

• 17:35Speaker 03

  MJ, a little MJ piece? You could go full MJ. If you came back with an MJ nose, I'd be fired.

• 17:40Speaker 00

  What if I did like Adrian Prody, like I just fucking hooked it to the side? Cyclops in the Odyssey. Like, you can go something different if it works.

• 17:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. I just think airflow should be your priority.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  Live show update. I'm coming to eight clubs this fall to get the new hour ready, okay? Here they are. If there are tickets still available, you get them right now. Stress Factory, September 11th and 12th, that's in New Brunswick, New Jersey. Houston Improv, September 18th and 19th. Levity Live in West Nyack, New York, September 25th, 26th. Helium Comedy Club in Indianapolis, Indiana, October 23rd, 24th. Stardome Comedy Club in Birmingham, Alabama, November 6th and 7th. Hilarities in Cleveland, November 14th and 15th. Good Nights Comedy Club, December 4th and 5th in Raleigh, North Carolina. The Funny Bone in Columbus, Ohio, December 11th and 12th.

• 18:34Speaker 00

  That's what we're doing. That's what we're building this hour to. I cannot wait to see you guys there. Grab the tickets if they're available, and we'll see you very soon.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  I will also be on the road at the end of the year. October, I'll be in Plano, Texas, Chandler, Arizona. November, I'll be in Pasadena, California, San Diego, and in December, I will be in Detroit. And January, I'll be in Salt Lake City. Get tickets now. Mark Gagnon live. Alex?

• 18:57Mark Gagnon?

  And guys, this Saturday is my last tennis clinic. TheAllLoveClub.com. We have about 15 tickets left. The last two sold out, so I'll see you guys there. Peace.

• 19:09Speaker 00

  Would you guys ever do any, uh, surgery?

• 19:16Speaker 03

  Any surgery? I mean, eh.

• 19:18Speaker 00

  Would you lift your eyebrows up?

• 19:20Speaker 03

  Wait, what? Wait, what do you mean?

• 19:21Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  Wait, why would I need to do that?

• 19:24Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 19:24Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, is that a hair?

• 19:28Speaker 00

  This is how these plastic surgeons get these bitches, bro. They come in there asking for titties. They're like, are you gonna do anything about your lip? And they're like, I'm sorry, what? And then they walk out of there $200,000 in debt. Yeah, are you gonna move your eyebrows up to like a normal, like?

• 19:42Speaker 03

  I'll bring my hairline down. I think if I bring my hairline down, then it'll cut in half.

• 19:46Mark Gagnon?

  Or why don't you just do the bone breaking shit? Just try to re-mold it a little bit.

• 19:52Mark Gagnon?

  So I don't protrude as much.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:54Mark Gagnon?

  Break it a little bit.

• 19:55Speaker 00

  No, but if you just pull your eyebrows up, because right now your eyebrows sit underneath your, your forehead, like the. They sit underneath the ridge. What if you made them add like, you know, where they're supposed to be?

• 20:07Mark Gagnon?

  Do I look better here?

• 20:10Mark Gagnon?

  Do I look better? No, you should draw it in.

• 20:12Speaker 00

  All right, would you do anyhow?

• 20:13Mark Gagnon?

  I would do turkey, once my shit starts to really go.

• 20:17Speaker 00

  Can we see where it's at now?

• 20:18Mark Gagnon?

  Hell, no. I don't have a fresh cut and it's.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  He's got long dreads. He looks like a Cambridge professor.

• 20:26Mark Gagnon?

  Why you do me like that?

• 20:27Speaker 00

  R I P.

• 20:27Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, come on.

• 20:30Speaker 00

  We've got some R I Ps.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  I'm just saying, you can look like someone. It doesn't have to be sad.

• 20:33Mark Gagnon?

  Son.

• 20:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 20:34Mark Gagnon?

  Fuck, I wish I'd do a name right now, but you look like.

• 20:39Speaker 00

  Both of you guys, R I P, both of you guys. Uh, it's horrible. We're laughing at this. But Al, can you just show us your forehead so we can get back on track? You, you, you won't even show your forehead?

• 20:50Mark Gagnon?

  No, it's like, when I get a cut, then it's like, they do something where it's like, it looks nice. But when I don't have a cut, the hairline is receding a little bit.

• 20:58Speaker 00

  Can I just see it?

• 21:00Mark Gagnon?

  No. This is, this is a, no.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  Wait, so when you get a cut?

• 21:04Speaker 00

  Put the camera angle on me. Put the camera.

• 21:06Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, no, no, it's not happening.

• 21:09Speaker 00

  Is it that? Is it that like severe?

• 21:11Mark Gagnon?

  It's just, I don't like it. I don't like it.

• 21:13Speaker 00

  And what is it?

• 21:14Mark Gagnon?

  Because it's like you have dreads and then it keeps pulling on your edges.

• 21:18Speaker 00

  Oh, so you feel since you've had dreads, your hairline's gotten worse?

• 21:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Traction propecia.

• 21:22Speaker 00

  It's called what?

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Traction propecia.

• 21:25Speaker 00

  You see Puerto Rican girls with this.

• 21:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, you be hanging out with niggas, yo.

• 21:28Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  What's it, where you lose your hair?

• 21:33Speaker 03

  Alopecia?

• 21:33Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, traction alopecia. My mom's a hairdresser.

• 21:36Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay.

• 21:36Speaker 00

  So the Puerto Rican girls when we were younger had one hairstyle. Al?

• 21:41Mark Gagnon?

  The slicked back?

• 21:42Speaker 00

  The tight bun like you never imagined. It was like a swimmer bun.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  The Holland's.

• 21:48Speaker 00

  Holland, but it was so yanked and you would literally see from like freshman to senior.

• 21:54Mark Gagnon?

  See it progress.

• 21:55Speaker 00

  Their fucking hairline was like back here.

• 21:57Mark Gagnon?

  So then they would have to do the, the baby curls. You're laying down for a little gel with the toothbrush and shit like that.

• 22:04Speaker 00

  Or the bangs.

• 22:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. And I, I thought that was cute. I liked that look.

• 22:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  I mean, you could do that.

• 22:09Mark Gagnon?

  Fuck you.

• 22:09Speaker 03

  Well, I'm saying, lay your baby hairs down.

• 22:11Mark Gagnon?

  Fuck you. I got nails already. I can't do it.

• 22:13Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 22:15Mark Gagnon?

  Then I'm gonna really look like that Cambridge professor.

• 22:19Speaker 03

  Nails and baby hairs is fire. That'd be awesome.

• 22:23Mark Gagnon?

  Even though this set is fire.

• 22:24Speaker 00

  What are you doing right there?

• 22:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's like all different stuff, but this is like, probably my most fire set.

• 22:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Are you gonna get the infinity stones for when Avengers comes out?

• 22:34Mark Gagnon?

  Probably.

• 22:37Mark Gagnon?

  I be doing some themed shit sometimes. I like it, man. This is my shit.

• 22:41Speaker 03

  No, I actually, let me take you back actually, cause I.

• 22:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, take me back.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  I would, let me take you back. I would consider Invisalign. Does that count as a cosmetic procedure?

• 22:51Speaker 00

  I don't think you should be allowed to get it.

• 22:53Speaker 03

  Why?

• 22:54Speaker 00

  Cause you had braces already.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, but I lost my retainer.

• 22:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:58Speaker 03

  And then I didn't, this is how dumb I am. I didn't know that I could go to any orthodontist to get another retainer.

• 23:02Speaker 00

  Son, I know exactly what you're talking about.

• 23:04Speaker 03

  I thought it was only one guy that had my file and I had to go, I had to go back to Florida.

• 23:08Speaker 00

  No.

• 23:09Speaker 03

  And.

• 23:09Speaker 00

  Well, you don't have to go back to the same person. No, it's in the ether. All dentists know each other.

• 23:14Mark Gagnon?

  Bro, my girl got Invisalign in Barcelona. And then like something happened where they had to re-scan it or whatever, so she can get her next set. And she's like, I gotta go back to Barcelona. And I thought that's a real thing. I thought you had to go back to.

• 23:30Speaker 00

  I thought so too. I had Invisalign for that same thing. And I kept calling my dentist, Dr. Moskowitz, or I think it's Moskowitz or something like that.

• 23:39Speaker 00

  Sounds right, right? Have you ever met, what's your dentist?

• 23:44Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know names.

• 23:46Speaker 00

  You think that's what I'm asking?

• 23:49Speaker 00

  No, I'm being dead serious. I was joking around Mark about this, but like, what do the people that hate Israel do when they gotta get their teeth fixed?

• 23:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 23:57Speaker 00

  Cause I've never seen a dentist that's not Jewish.

• 24:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 24:01Speaker 00

  I've never seen a single one.

• 24:02Mark Gagnon?

  What dentist looks like? Yeah, because I go to a place in Astoria and all the dental assistants.

• 24:08Speaker 00

  Oh, you got a fine ass Puerto Rican with her head back. She looks like Robocop. Right? Because she's 28 and now she's been slicked back since she's 12 years old.

• 24:15Mark Gagnon?

  Pretty sure they all work at the block, up the block at the strip club.

• 24:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, so Bofa.

• 24:20Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:24Speaker 00

  They're paying for dental assistant school at the strip club and then they become a dental assistant. And did you know the hustle with that?

• 24:30Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 24:30Speaker 00

  My boy told me this. He was like, the dentist never tells you the price.

• 24:34Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, they up so many, so many times.

• 24:36Speaker 00

  So it is, it's like.

• 24:38Mark Gagnon?

  Whitening three times.

• 24:39Speaker 00

  It's beneath the dentist, cause they're, they're like, uh, they're a doctor.

• 24:42Speaker 03

  They're the doctor.

• 24:43Speaker 00

  They're the medical professional.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  Money is for hygienist.

• 24:46Speaker 00

  Exactly. When you're at the hospital, the doctor doesn't give you the bill for like your ACL replacement, like. So what they do is they get the fine ass girl to show you how much it's gonna cost. And then you don't think you can negotiate with attractive people. You know how like when you're talking?

• 25:01Mark Gagnon?

  You can negotiate?

• 25:02Speaker 00

  Why not?

• 25:05Speaker 00

  Son, I had to get an MRI. Son, I, I did not know this. I did not, this is how like, we're so fucking dumb.

• 25:11Mark Gagnon?

  This is real. All medical procedures, you can just be like, nah.

• 25:15Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, can I just, can I, can I just tell you what?

• 25:18Mark Gagnon?

  I swear to God. This ain't fair.

• 25:19Speaker 00

  Let me tell you, it's not fair because we are so, I don't know what it is about us. I don't know if it's like a cultural attribute or whatever, but there's certain things we just think you can't negotiate. Right? And, um, I don't know where this comes from exactly, but like, so I had to get an MRI for my fucking Achilles or whatever. And, uh, they were like, oh, it's gonna be fucking $6,000. And I'm like, my friend's buddy, Jason's buddy was a doctor. And I was like, is this right? And he's like, he's like, no, no, just offer him like 600. I said, sorry. I said, what? What do you mean offer him? They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me just, you know, say what you feel comfortable. I go, what do you mean? And he goes, yeah, I mean, if they're not busy, why wouldn't they just take that?

• 26:00Speaker 00

  And I'm like, is this a real thing that you can do? I had no fucking clue that this was this frivolous, the system.

• 26:07Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, we are fucking it up for a lot. Medical field right now.

• 26:11Speaker 00

  People think you can't negotiate about cars.

• 26:15Mark Gagnon?

  No, cars.

• 26:16Speaker 00

  I didn't know that.

• 26:18Mark Gagnon?

  Well, you're a dummy.

• 26:18Speaker 03

  Well, it depends. If it's a dealer, then you feel like, oh, this is just the price. You know what I mean? M S R P.

• 26:23Speaker 00

  If it's a used car, it's different, but if it's a dealer, I was in there with my wife and my wife is again, maybe it's this like Christian thing where it's just like, I assume you're telling me the, the fair price. And I'm gonna pay that fair price. Cause why would you lie to me?

• 26:37Speaker 03

  And the rules are the rules.

• 26:38Speaker 00

  The rules are the rules. We're following the rules.

• 26:40Speaker 03

  You go to a grocery store, I'm not gonna haggle with the cashier.

• 26:42Speaker 00

  That's the cost of the banana. But anyway, so we go in and I had to have a talk with my wife prior, which is like, hey, I'm gonna do the thing where we get it down. Don't fucking be on their side.

• 26:55Mark Gagnon?

  You gotta tell them that. You do.

• 26:56Speaker 00

  I'm kicking her under the table, cause she's going, oh yeah, I feel like that's fair. What is fair? What does fair mean? The guy's pretending to talk to his boss. He's going in, let me just talk to my guy. He walks in a room, talks to an Indian guy about who's winning a fucking baseball game and comes back in. Yeah, I think we can do something. And I'm like trying to hammer this guy. I'm hammering off of like $50 a month. Like, I'm like, what, what? At some point in time, it's not worth the hour that we're in there. But why is it? Why, why do we have that kind of like guilt about negotiation of price?

• 27:27Mark Gagnon?

  Why didn't you take Dove? Sound like that? Come on.

• 27:31Speaker 00

  I should've.

• 27:32Mark Gagnon?

  Could've gotten that coffee free. They would've paid you.

• 27:36Speaker 00

  That great Patrice joke about the, the phone?

• 27:38Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 27:39Speaker 00

  Where, where he goes, uh, he goes, listen, my phone doesn't work. I, I just wanna get a, I just wanna get a new phone, right? And he's, he's like, oh, sorry, we can't do that. And he's like, cause he's holding his wife back. She's like a pit bull. She's like barking. He's like, listen, I don't wanna do this. But like, he's like, this is why you need black women. He goes, I don't wanna, just, just give me a new phone. I'll take it refurbished. That's fine. That's all I need is a refurb and everything. And then, uh, and he's like, no, we can't do it. He goes, all right.

• 28:07Speaker 00

  I walked out and they gave me a foot leg, whatever. It's fucking brilliant joke.

• 28:11Speaker 03

  But you can do this with medical procedures? I did not know those things.

• 28:13Mark Gagnon?

  This is nuts.

• 28:14Speaker 00

  Not only can you do with medical procedures, this is crazy. If you don't pay your medical bills, some company will buy your medical debt. At a fraction of the price. Like I didn't pay my medical bills when I was in fucking Bermuda once. And they would call me nonstop from Bermuda. And I was like, I ain't coming back to Bermuda. Like, I'm good on that one. And then eventually they called me and they were like, hey, your bill is, you know, you owe $5,000, something like that, but like, we're willing to settle for a thousand bucks. And I said on the phone, just randomly, I was like, man, I gave you 500 bucks. Just joking. And they were like, all right, all right, we'll do it. And then I paid it. And then I was like, yo, I got these motherfuckers, dumbass island motherfuckers.

• 28:59Speaker 00

  You put me so for 500, no.

• 29:01Mark Gagnon?

  They bought your debt for like.

• 29:02Speaker 00

  Somebody bought the debt for a penny on the fucking dollar, cause they know no one's ever gonna pay it. And they got me for $490.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Wow. That is fascinating.

• 29:10Speaker 00

  This whole shit is negotiable and we're just walking through life, trusting everybody to be honest.

• 29:14Speaker 03

  Wow. So I gotta do that.

• 29:17Mark Gagnon?

  That was one thing I knew. I knew hospitals, they write off so much of this shit. Cause like some people just, they understand they're not gonna pay and it's, you have to pay so many people to keep hassling.

• 29:26Speaker 00

  It's not worth it.

• 29:27Mark Gagnon?

  It's not worth it.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:28Mark Gagnon?

  So it's like hospital bills, that's one thing I know you didn't have to pay. I know you can haggle. Like the prices of shit.

• 29:34Speaker 00

  Well, you can haggle with the person who buys the debt. I don't know if you can haggle directly, but if you're going private, if you're not going through your insurer.

• 29:39Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, if you're going.

• 29:40Speaker 00

  And you're just getting an MRI or just getting your, your knee, getting a fucking nose, whatever it is. You can just say, hey, I'll do it for this amount. And the doctor owns the practice. So they can just go, okay, I'll do it for that.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  And that's why they send the hot women in. Cause you don't wanna look broke in front of a beautiful Dominican.

• 29:56Speaker 00

  It's impossible to negotiate price in front of an attractive woman if you're not married.

• 30:04Speaker 00

  Once you're married, it's fun.

• 30:07Speaker 00

  It's great to look broke in front of a hot girl. You're never gonna sleep with anybody. But why is that? In front of a dude, you could do it. Cause they, you're like, you gotta empathize with me.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  I think it's like the halo effect. Like, I feel bad putting them in a position where I think they're uncomfortable. Like, if an attractive woman is like, hey, it's this much. I don't wanna be like, ah, I can only do this much. And then she has to be like, okay, well, let me go ask. Then I feel bad. I'm like, oh, I'm putting her in a spot where she's gotta like, tell them and she feels uncomfortable. So then I'm just like, ah.

• 30:35Mark Gagnon?

  Bless your heart, Mark. That's the reason why they do it. No. All guys feel like, yo, if we don't say the wrong thing, we might have a chance with, no matter how hot the girl is.

• 30:45Speaker 00

  You're trying to fuck hot girls, dude?

• 30:47Mark Gagnon?

  No. I'm saying.

• 30:49Speaker 00

  You're trying to fuck hot girls?

• 30:50Mark Gagnon?

  You just tend, non-married.

• 30:52Speaker 00

  That's crazy, bro. You're not married.

• 30:54Mark Gagnon?

  What?

• 30:58Mark Gagnon?

  Non, uh, what's the thing I am?

• 31:04Speaker 00

  I'm so single, you don't even know the fake man that shit is.

• 31:08Mark Gagnon?

  Miles, insert that thing.

• 31:10Speaker 00

  What is he, domestic partnership?

• 31:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:13Speaker 00

  So we married. Do you refer to her as your partner? Gay ass?

• 31:16Mark Gagnon?

  No, I called my wife already.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  Thank goodness. I hate partner.

• 31:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, when, when Europeans do that shit, shut up.

• 31:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:22Speaker 00

  My partner.

• 31:23Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 31:24Speaker 03

  What is that?

• 31:24Mark Gagnon?

  And that's gay.

• 31:25Speaker 00

  It's, you're gay.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:27Mark Gagnon?

  Because that's how gays used to be. Cause they weren't allowed to be out.

• 31:30Speaker 02

  And also bride and groom and like wife and husband are biblical terms.

• 31:35Speaker 03

  Fire. I already know that.

• 31:37Speaker 00

  Wait, what?

• 31:38Speaker 02

  Isn't that all biblical? Isn't a marriage basically through the eyes of God and a, and a civil union and a partnership is through the state?

• 31:44Speaker 00

  So are you trying to say that gays shouldn't be able to get married because of that? Is that the position you're taking right now is because marriage is a biblical idea and concept? That they would be infringing on the godly rights?

• 31:56Speaker 03

  No.

• 31:57Speaker 00

  On that covenant that we have with God?

• 31:58Speaker 03

  Wouldn't never say that.

• 31:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, Miles, I can't believe you said that. Yeah, that is wild.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  No.

• 32:02Speaker 00

  Are they, are they, uh, what's it called in straight culture?

• 32:06Speaker 03

  Appropriated?

• 32:06Speaker 00

  Are they appropriating straight culture? When gays get married, are they appropriating straight culture?

• 32:10Speaker 03

  Damn, that's a good way to look at it. They're trying to bite our shit.

• 32:14Mark Gagnon?

  You're kind of.

• 32:18Speaker 00

  Are you trying to say gays are appropriating straight culture by getting married?

• 32:21Speaker 02

  I, I'm not religious, so I don't know if it's straight culture.

• 32:23Speaker 00

  But are we appropriating gay culture when we bang them to not get them pregnant?

• 32:28Speaker 03

  Also, yes.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, also.

• 32:29Speaker 03

  And when we call them our partner?

• 32:30Speaker 00

  And when we call them our partner?

• 32:31Speaker 03

  You're having sex with no kid and calling him your partner?

• 32:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, you are super gay. That's the gay shit ever.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  Might as well do a corkscrew into a pool with your fucking timberlids on, dude.

• 32:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yo.

• 32:43Speaker 00

  That was a gay party in Memphis, obviously, right?

• 32:45Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 32:45Speaker 00

  With all due respect.

• 32:46Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, that was fly. That was fly. Just fly.

• 32:49Speaker 00

  Just some pressing dudes with their backflips?

• 32:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. It's boys being boys, man.

• 32:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. But I am gonna haggle. I'm gonna go in for Invisalign and I'm gonna haggle.

• 32:58Speaker 00

  So you want Invisalign?

• 32:59Speaker 03

  I think so. My teeth are all shifting and shit.

• 33:01Mark Gagnon?

  Let me see.

• 33:02Speaker 00

  No, but that's what's cool now. Now that everybody has the fake teeth.

• 33:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 33:06Speaker 00

  Like, have you seen people online going like, oh, Zendaya's smile is so beautiful because it's not perfect?

• 33:11Speaker 03

  Nah, I haven't seen that. But I need that, though. That would, that would gas me up. Or I just go full, like, British guy in Ibiza.

• 33:17Speaker 00

  Ibiza.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, if I just go full of Ibiza veneers.

• 33:21Speaker 00

  I'll be honest, it's not, if you're gonna go through the pain, I have rubber bands in my mouth.

• 33:26Speaker 03

  Wait, did you have braces?

• 33:27Speaker 00

  No, I had Invisalign with the rubber bands.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 33:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  Do you still wear your retainer?

• 33:33Speaker 00

  Every once in a while. When I feel like my teeth are getting a little fucked up, I throw it in for like two days and it's painful. I wake up at like two in the morning with a huge headache.

• 33:40Speaker 03

  Mouth open.

• 33:40Speaker 00

  Oh, my God, just destroyed.

• 33:42Speaker 03

  Pretending.

• 33:42Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't know it like goes back to the original position. I thought once you got braces or whatever the fuck, it's just like, that's, is what it is now.

• 33:50Speaker 00

  I asked my fucking dentist once. I was like, yo, put that bar behind my teeth so they don't move back. And this motherfucker acting like he didn't know what I was talking about.

• 33:59Speaker 03

  Oh, cause he, he wants you to come.

• 34:00Speaker 00

  Cause he wants, he knows I'm gonna lose that retainer and he knows he's gonna have to print another one.

• 34:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 34:04Speaker 00

  But I was like, you know the bar that goes behind your teeth so they stay in that position, like a permanent retainer? And he was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 34:14Speaker 00

  Crazy, right?

• 34:16Speaker 03

  But then you gotta floss with that and you're never gonna floss. If you got the bar, you can't floss.

• 34:20Mark Gagnon?

  I don't floss.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  You have the bar?

• 34:22Mark Gagnon?

  No, I just don't floss.

• 34:23Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 34:24Speaker 00

  I don't floss until enough builds up in the gaps in my teeth where there's no more gaps.

• 34:28Speaker 03

  Ew.

• 34:29Speaker 00

  And then I go, man, I gotta start flossing cause my teeth look too good.

• 34:32Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, that's great.

• 34:33Speaker 00

  Like, I have a gap down here that's pretty significant. And, uh, but once I can't see it, I'm like, I gotta get in there with some twine, bro. Cause I just got food buildup.

• 34:43Mark Gagnon?

  I only floss if there's food in between. I don't like flossing.

• 34:45Speaker 00

  You definitely gotta floss, cause you got some fucking shark shit going on on one side of your teeth.

• 34:50Mark Gagnon?

  So when food gets stuck in there, that's the only time. But I don't like flossing.

• 34:53Speaker 03

  Dude, I think I got caught.

• 34:54Mark Gagnon?

  I've never had a cavity. Never had any work done, no nothing.

• 34:58Speaker 03

  Really?

• 34:58Mark Gagnon?

  And I think part of it is cause I don't floss.

• 35:00Speaker 03

  Okay, that's, there's no way that's true.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Every time Al eats, ever, he goes.

• 35:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. My teeth are so good, one of my baby teeth doesn't wanna drop. It's like, yo, I'm good in here. So I got a full set plus a baby tooth.

• 35:14Speaker 00

  The only baby Al hasn't got rid of.

• 35:20Speaker 02

  Didn't he once say, keep your mouth full?

• 35:22Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  Why can't we get rid of it? And you're like, it keeps me young?

• 35:25Mark Gagnon?

  It keeps my, uh, childhood innocence.

• 35:26Speaker 00

  You didn't want to just go four for four?

• 35:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 35:30Speaker 00

  Why don't you just yank that thing out of there?

• 35:32Mark Gagnon?

  If that drops, I think I'm gonna be a savage after that.

• 35:35Speaker 00

  In what way?

• 35:36Mark Gagnon?

  Right now, I, this keeps my childhood innocence.

• 35:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:39Mark Gagnon?

  I'm gonna be a bad person after this.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  And that's more expensive than a scoop.

• 35:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're right. They gotta, they gotta pay for that.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's no one to split that one with.

• 35:48Speaker 00

  You can negotiate on those too, actually.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Really?

• 35:50Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 35:51Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 35:54Speaker 00

  They got you, Al.

• 35:55Mark Gagnon?

  I just been getting got, bro.

• 35:56Speaker 00

  They got you.

• 35:57Mark Gagnon?

  Damn. I'm fifteen hundred and old right now.

• 36:00Speaker 00

  Uh, so you want, you want Invisalign? You would do Invisalign, but no plastic surgery?

• 36:03Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no. And I, dude, the, the way these dentists work, they kinda caught me in like a little fib, I think.

• 36:08Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  Cause I had a friend that's a dentist. That was like, I'll do your Invisalign. I'll give you like a discount on it. I was like, oh, that'd be cool. And so I was gonna go in to see her and she was like, but you gotta go to the dentist. We're like, when was the last time you went to the dentist? I was like, oh, probably like six months ago. It's probably been like, I thought it was really a year. Turns out it was like two and a half.

• 36:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:27Speaker 03

  God damn. And so she was like, all right, no problem. All of a sudden I get a call from her office and they go, hey, can you connect with your dentist? We just gotta check your records. And I was like, you don't need to do that. Just take my word for it. And she was like, no, we just need to make sure that there's no cavities or anything. I was like, why do you, really? And so then they're like, yeah, we need to do it. I called the dentist and they're talking to each other while I'm on the phone. And they're like, yeah, Mark, we have your last thing coming in like twenty twenty-three?

• 36:49Mark Gagnon?

  God damn, Mark.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  And I was like, no, that's, I think I went to another spot, maybe, maybe when I was somewhere else. And they were like, we don't have any records of that. If you could connect with that dentist. And I was like, just forget it, whatever. I go in that day for an emergency cleaning, just because I didn't want my friend to see my mouth. And so I went into the dentist and they cleaned it out. And then I went into the orthodontist and they were like, oh, when was the last time you went to the dentist? I was like, ah, you know, like I said, a couple of months ago. And they were like, this is freshly cleaned today.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  And I was like, yeah, I did go today. And they were like, oh, really? I thought you went recently. I was like, I don't know what's going on anymore. Just fucking give me the thing.

• 37:28Mark Gagnon?

  You got so much shame, man.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  I know, I truly do. I have shame about in my own mouth. I didn't want people to see my darkness.

• 37:35Mark Gagnon?

  How often do you go to the dentist? I do every, I stick to the every six month situation.

• 37:38Speaker 00

  When my wife fucking forces me cause she's absolutely grossed out.

• 37:43Speaker 03

  Well, she's staring at him all night.

• 37:44Speaker 00

  Oh, damn. Wide open. It's bad. But yeah, she just schedules something and then I go.

• 37:50Speaker 03

  And they, they kinda upcharge you on the, on the cavities. Have you heard this before?

• 37:53Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I never had a cavity. And I still got all my wisdom teeth.

• 37:57Speaker 03

  Nah, I don't, definitely.

• 37:58Mark Gagnon?

  Swear to God. Swear to God. Got all, everything. I never did anything. They always say, oh, you should pull them. You should do this. I was like, I'm good.

• 38:05Speaker 00

  Perfect. I don't know. Honey, it doesn't make sense that we need to remove them.

• 38:10Mark Gagnon?

  Doesn't make any sense.

• 38:11Speaker 00

  Cause like, what did people do back in the day? They just were in pain forever?

• 38:15Speaker 03

  I think the idea was like you would lose some teeth. And then those would kinda like be like the.

• 38:20Speaker 00

  Oh, it was like a backup.

• 38:21Speaker 03

  Those were like the bullpen. You know what I mean?

• 38:23Speaker 00

  So the assumption was you're already gonna have teeth fall out. So we got some extras for you. It's just gonna push everything forward.

• 38:28Speaker 03

  The closers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 00

  The closers.

• 38:30Mark Gagnon?

  The lie, the lie they told me is like, oh, these teeth, we needed it to chew up bones and shit like that. And since we don't eat the way we eat, we don't need them anymore. And most likely it's gonna grow impacted. But they just convince all ya idiots that it's gonna grow and impacted and then boom, money, money, money.

• 38:46Speaker 03

  Yo, same with tonsils.

• 38:47Mark Gagnon?

  Cause my shit grew imperfect.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  Remember how they were taking out everyone's tonsils?

• 38:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Why would you take out a tonsil?

• 38:52Mark Gagnon?

  That's a white person.

• 38:53Speaker 00

  What is a tonsil?

• 38:54Speaker 03

  I don't even know.

• 38:55Speaker 00

  I thought my shits were fucked up.

• 38:57Speaker 03

  Why?

• 38:58Speaker 00

  Cause they were hurting, bro.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  Your tonsils?

• 39:00Speaker 00

  Yeah. I had like marks on them.

• 39:02Speaker 03

  In your, in, in your throat?

• 39:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. You could see them inflamed in the back of your throat if you opened your mouth, right?

• 39:08Mark Gagnon?

  Were you hanging out with Evan's roommate?

• 39:15Speaker 00

  How the fuck you getting shit in your tonsils?

• 39:17Speaker 03

  You had impacted tonsils, bro?

• 39:18Speaker 00

  I had something, I had marks on them or something. I feel even uncomfortable saying it because I'm like,

• 39:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:23Speaker 00

  I'm like, how is this gonna be taken?

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Like, trauma?

• 39:26Speaker 00

  Nah, it was like-

• 39:27Speaker 03

  Monkeypox?

• 39:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think it was something. I don't know, I opened up, I was like, oh, look right back there, and then I had to get on antibiotics, I'm pretty sure.

• 39:34Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 39:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:35Speaker 03

  And did they try to get him taken out?

• 39:36Speaker 00

  I was like, I think there was part of me was like, well, is this gonna happen again? They're like, yeah. And they're like, should we just get him out of here? And then I just never went. But most of my medical procedures are just from laziness, or lack thereof, are from laziness. Just the idea of going through the fucking rigmarole of like-

• 39:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, you gotta sit in a cold office.

• 39:55Speaker 00

  Just schedule it, it's the whole fucking day, and then recovery, it's like-

• 40:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 40:01Speaker 00

  There's gotta be a better way.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. But then you don't wanna have like an at-home dentist. I don't trust that.

• 40:06Speaker 00

  Why?

• 40:07Speaker 03

  I don't know, I feel like you need your tools in the sink and the whole thing. Like, if someone was like, oh yeah, I'll do an at-home visit, I'd be like, I don't trust this.

• 40:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, I agree.

• 40:14Speaker 03

  A traveling dentist?

• 40:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, with a little like leather bag?

• 40:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, you can't trust that.

• 40:19Mark Gagnon?

  All they do is just brush it and just look in the mirror and pick around a little bit. They ain't really doing much.

• 40:24Speaker 00

  Right?

• 40:24Mark Gagnon?

  It's just the fucking, um, 3D scan that tells them, oh, you actually have something, and then go to the more important orthodontist to get it taken care of.

• 40:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:34Mark Gagnon?

  Like, dentists don't really do shit.

• 40:35Speaker 03

  Yo, but do orthodontists do shit anymore now that you could just get Invisalign? Like, you don't even need to go?

• 40:40Mark Gagnon?

  Like, cavities and like all that type of shit.

• 40:42Speaker 03

  Orthodontists don't do cavities?

• 40:43Speaker 00

  They just do braces.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  Dental surgeons.

• 40:46Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, whatever, you know, fuck that. But an actual dentist, they don't do shit. They just clean.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Nah, dentists do-

• 40:52Speaker 00

  They do the cavities.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:54Speaker 00

  They do the root canal.

• 40:55Mark Gagnon?

  I wouldn't know, I never had it.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  But even that, they upcharge you. I went in, they were like, hey, there's like four teeth we might need to look at. And then I went and talked to my orthodontist friend, and they were like, nah, this is-

• 41:03Speaker 00

  Nah, you're good.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  They were like, go to this other person.

• 41:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  Cause they were like, they're upcharging.

• 41:07Speaker 00

  It's like a mechanic.

• 41:08Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 41:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 41:10Speaker 03

  That's crazy, they can just upcharge you on cavities.

• 41:13Speaker 00

  That's so- You sound, you sound real lived out right now.

• 41:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you are, you are sounding a little bit down.

• 41:17Speaker 03

  I'm just saying, they're pissing me off.

• 41:18Speaker 00

  Sound real DSA, dude.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  They're pissing me off.

• 41:20Speaker 00

  Sound real DSA.

• 41:21Speaker 03

  These medical professionals that are denying me coverage, and I'm gonna do something about it.

• 41:25Speaker 00

  The dentist.

• 41:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Free Luigi, bro.

• 41:29Speaker 00

  Yo, Mark texted the group, he was like, I think it was you.

• 41:32Speaker 03

  Wait, what?

• 41:33Speaker 00

  Mark goes like, yo, it turns out Luigi said he did it.

• 41:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 00

  Isn't there a video of him doing it? Like, there was never any question, oh, you're on some like Tyler Robinson shit.

• 41:44Mark Gagnon?

  Hey, you never know.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 41:46Mark Gagnon?

  It's a low blur, it's a low blur.

• 41:47Speaker 00

  Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it.

• 41:49Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, who goes and sits at a McDonald's after he just killed a person? Come on.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Who gets picked up-

• 41:53Speaker 00

  Last meal.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  By the person at McDonald's.

• 41:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, that whole thing, there's no way. Wait, is there, are there like deniers of Luigi actually doing it?

• 42:02Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  That's a real thing?

• 42:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. There's a whole documentary following the women that are in love with him, that are full-on truthers, that are like, he's being framed.

• 42:13Mark Gagnon?

  It's not, it's not just women.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, look, I think from the video, well, from the video, it's not clear exactly that it's him.

• 42:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  So there's some deniability.

• 42:23Mark Gagnon?

  This guy just eats up everything, man. You tell him whatever.

• 42:26Speaker 00

  I stopped eating. I stopped eating at all. Like, I tried to watch even a little, alright, but go on, go on about it.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  So like, there's deniability when you see the video and you're like, okay, well, it's a guy in a mask, like, is it actually him?

• 42:37Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 42:38Speaker 03

  And then-

• 42:39Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 42:39Speaker 03

  And then they pick him up at a McDonald's, and they're like, well, the eyebrows don't really match, so there was some deniability.

• 42:45Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 42:45Speaker 03

  But, at least in my opinion, I was like, well, he probably did it.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:48Speaker 03

  But I assume that they did some super illegal shit to try to find him in the McDonald's.

• 42:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 42:52Speaker 00

  Oh, you think they flocked him?

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Somehow.

• 42:55Speaker 00

  They got those flock cameras on him?

• 42:56Speaker 03

  They hit him with a little flocker. And then they found him in the McDonald's, they were like, oh yeah, some, uh, the drive-thru lady discovered that it was actually this guy. I was like, there's no way.

• 43:04Speaker 00

  When are they gonna use flock for like, good shit?

• 43:07Speaker 03

  Well, I guess it depends on what side of this you're on.

• 43:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I know, yeah.

• 43:10Speaker 00

  No, but you know, like, I, I, I'm just saying, like, it seems like we could use flock to find some, some things that like, would make people feel good about it.

• 43:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. There's like child predators out here, and I don't know if we're flocking them.

• 43:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, Gideon is flocking them. Why do we got Gideon flocking them? Why don't we just flock the child predators?

• 43:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:28Speaker 00

  If the flock cameras are everywhere, or child support, where's your baby daddy? Right? He's buying crypto, why don't you flock it?

• 43:35Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 43:35Speaker 00

  Like, there are ways that you could get in the good graces of people who hate flock.

• 43:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:40Speaker 00

  You just use it for people that are really bad, that are going around. If you got all the pedophiles and locked all them where they are, based on the flock cameras, it'll probably buy you a week or two of flock.

• 43:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:51Speaker 00

  It's not that bad.

• 43:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 43:53Speaker 00

  It's the same thing with like AI, like, everybody hates AI, and so you could put your fucking medical bills in that shit, and then find a way where you don't have to pay anything, and then all of a sudden, people start going, alright, man, Claude ain't got that bad.

• 44:04Speaker 03

  These data centers are somewhat helpful.

• 44:06Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 44:06Speaker 00

  You know, or like, instead, like, forgetting like loans for college or something like that, you put it all through Claude, and then you find a way to get college almost free, because there's government loans that just exist, and you didn't wanna do all the paperwork for it.

• 44:20Mark Gagnon?

  And I love it, it's mainly the younger generation that's like so anti-AI right now.

• 44:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:25Mark Gagnon?

  Wait until they get into the real workforce.

• 44:27Speaker 00

  And then they go see-

• 44:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, they're gonna see how helpful it is.

• 44:30Speaker 00

  The funny thing I always thought about that, that actually was like, uh, like, for fucking decades, technological advancements just hollowed out parts of the country, right? Like, if you were making cars in Detroit, they outsourced your shit, or, you know, factories got better, and they completely outsourced, like, your jobs are fucking done. Uh, they told the coal miners, learn to code, or whatever it is, and then the second, like, AI starts replacing white-collar jobs and like graphic designers, all these kids are like, we gotta stop AI.

• 45:00Speaker 00

  Plumbers are gonna be millionaires? We gotta fucking stop AI. Like, the second it hits home, all of a sudden, there's an online movement to completely shut down every fucking data center.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're telling coders, like, yo, learn to weld.

• 45:11Speaker 00

  Just learn to weld, dude. Just learn to weld. But it is kinda funny.

• 45:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:14Speaker 00

  Like, nobody, nobody gave a flying fuck when working-class people were losing their job due to technological advancements for the last fucking 2,000 years.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:22Speaker 00

  New piece of technology comes out, when the fucking typewriter came out, people are telling scribes, hey, learn to fucking buy a typewriter, whatever, second it affects you.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:32Speaker 00

  Guys, we gotta shut it down.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:34Speaker 00

  Gotta shut it down. I hope every plumber is a fucking trillionaire. I hope every plumber is a fucking trillionaire.

• 45:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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• 49:30Speaker 03

  It is crazy that Luigi was just like, yo, I did it. And he's trying to do it to get out of the state charge? Did you hear this?

• 49:36Speaker 00

  No, why is that?

• 49:37Speaker 03

  Like, I don't know all the technical details, but basically, he, he's dealing with the federal charge and the state charge.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:42Speaker 03

  He's dealing with the federal charge right now, the state charge comes in like two weeks. The federal charge is just for stalking across state lines.

• 49:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  So if he pleads guilty to, hey, I shot this guy, and he, they laid it out all inside his, uh, like, his confession, like, all the details, like, I printed the gun with 3D printer, I did this, I did this, the way that I found the investor meeting, all that shit. And then, if, if he's able to confess to this, he just deals with the federal charge, and then he can't be tried for the murder charge in the state, because there's double jeopardy.

• 50:14Speaker 00

  Why is the federal murder- Judge less years.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  There's no federal murder. The federal charge is just the stalking. So he's like trying to bring in this confession into the federal case to then get out of the state case.

• 50:25Speaker 00

  Why does he get like immunity if he confesses within the?

• 50:29Speaker 03

  You can't try him again for the same case, basically.

• 50:32Speaker 00

  But you're saying it's two different things. So it wouldn't be double jeopardy.

• 50:35Speaker 03

  I don't know how it works, but this is what his legal team is basically calculated that they're going to try to appeal for, hey, double jeopardy. He's already confessed this in this federal case. This is already being dealt with at a federal level. You can't try him at a state level.

• 50:45Speaker 00

  No, he needs to be in jail forever.

• 50:47Speaker 03

  Well, the federal case could carry a long sentence.

• 50:50Speaker 00

  He needs to be look like a.

• 50:51Speaker 03

  Forever.

• 50:52Speaker 00

  Forever.

• 50:56Speaker 00

  No, I do.

• 50:57Speaker 03

  Oh, life fifteen.

• 50:59Speaker 00

  I think that we need, I think we need to put more people in jail forever. I don't even think it's just. Like if you've been doing, if you've been gambling and doing parlays and haven't won one. In like a five year span, I think that's life. I don't think we can trust you to just exist. I don't think we can trust you to exist as a normal person in society.

• 51:21Speaker 03

  You got bad instincts.

• 51:22Speaker 00

  Something's off in you.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:24Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but if it's your money, if you're not stealing from nobody, then that's fucked.

• 51:28Speaker 00

  It was his gun. It was his gun. It was his gun, bro. It was his gun, you know? Because, yeah, no, these are problems. We got real problems.

• 51:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but Luigi had like back pain and shit like.

• 51:39Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying.

• 51:40Mark Gagnon?

  You know how if you throw out your back, you want to shoot somebody that day.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  No, I know. I've been having back issues since I was 20 years old.

• 51:47Mark Gagnon?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 51:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:47Mark Gagnon?

  So.

• 51:50Speaker 00

  Listen, his anger towards that person, the emotion of anger is accurate. The action, you gotta be, we gotta put you away. Because he's gonna get angry at someone else. It's not like that's the last time he's gonna be angry.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:05Speaker 00

  It's more how you deal with the anger.

• 52:06Mark Gagnon?

  Fifteen, just give him a life fifteen.

• 52:08Speaker 00

  Fifteen. What is he gonna learn in fifteen?

• 52:10Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, he's gonna get fucked. He's a cutie.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, but.

• 52:13Speaker 00

  So you want to reward it.

• 52:14Mark Gagnon?

  Tear his ass up.

• 52:15Speaker 03

  But that's gonna make the back pain worse.

• 52:18Mark Gagnon?

  Or fix it.

• 52:22Speaker 00

  Our medical system is broken.

• 52:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. The way he got in is he told, he was emailing them trying to get like his medical thing covered. They wouldn't email him back. He was giving the runaround. And then he emails the investors and goes, hey, I have 50 billion. I want to invest. Can I pull up to the investor meeting? And they were like, yeah, it's at this place at this time.

• 52:40Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  And that's how he found out about it. They responded to him in like an hour. And I think that also fueled his anger. He was like, you wouldn't talk to me about my medical issue, but as soon as I want to give you money now all of a sudden.

• 52:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  And then that, that's how he pulled up. And he 3D printed the gun. That's the craziest part. That you could just 3D print a weapon. Right?

• 53:00Mark Gagnon?

  Scary shit.

• 53:01Speaker 00

  I don't even know if I believe that.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  That's what, that's what his confession was.

• 53:04Mark Gagnon?

  Believe. They've been 3D printing guns forever now.

• 53:07Speaker 00

  Where is, where do you even do that?

• 53:09Speaker 03

  Well, we can't say it here on this podcast. I think we'd get in trouble.

• 53:12Speaker 00

  Well, like I could buy a 3D printer and then I could just print a gun at my house?

• 53:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 53:16Speaker 00

  Man, damn.

• 53:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, you can.

• 53:19Speaker 00

  I can't even, I gotta buy a whole new remote for my fucking TV because I lost my Samsung shit and I can print a gun? I have to buy a whole new remote from Samsung, but I can, I could 3D print a gun.

• 53:29Speaker 03

  You might be able to 3D print your remote.

• 53:31Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 53:31Speaker 03

  You might not be far off.

• 53:32Mark Gagnon?

  Pretty sure you could download the Samsung app and just reuse your phone as a remote.

• 53:35Speaker 00

  Then I gotta do that. Trying to be off my phone while watching TV is the whole fucking thing.

• 53:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, that is a good point.

• 53:43Speaker 00

  Now, do you really, you really truly believe you can 3D print a gun?

• 53:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 53:47Speaker 00

  Okay, can I 3D print a bazooka?

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 53:50Speaker 00

  Can I 3D print a nuclear weapon?

• 53:53Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 53:53Speaker 00

  So what the fuck is Iran waiting for? What's up with all this dust? Just 3D print a nuclear weapon?

• 53:58Speaker 03

  That's why we'd go in there, bro. They had plastic deposits. They had the plastic deposits, the way to go get.

• 54:03Speaker 00

  They need to be commended for maintaining their sense of humor throughout this, man. That, that is like, is like, is that not like a little bit impressive?

• 54:12Speaker 03

  What, just that they're tweeting? Just having a good time?

• 54:14Speaker 00

  It's like, think about it. Everybody that you know, like in your crew, all your cronies get fucking wiped out. And then the next day, there's somebody on the team that's like, all right, I'll take care of the memes. And then you're like, what if we do something with Legos? Like, you guys cool with that? Like, they're bitchin' shit. How do you, how are you maintaining? Like, we're gonna, we're gonna win through fun after everybody you know gets killed.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is pretty crazy. They had to have like a creative writers meeting.

• 54:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:40Speaker 03

  Like, look, yesterday, not a good day.

• 54:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:42Speaker 03

  We lost 10 of our top guys.

• 54:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Anyone having any takes? Just go for like angles.

• 54:48Speaker 00

  This is gonna sound wild. Lego? Like, that's, that happens. That's a real meeting.

• 54:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 54:54Speaker 00

  In Iran where that happens.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  And they gotta show it and be like, no, it actually does look like him. R I P, but it does.

• 54:59Speaker 00

  Any notes?

• 55:00Speaker 03

  The hair is the same.

• 55:00Speaker 00

  Any notes? Can you get Epstein in there? Get Epstein in there. See if that'll work.

• 55:05Mark Gagnon?

  I think they're just still on a high because they thought they were gonna, I think they thought they were gonna get like fucking obliterated.

• 55:10Speaker 00

  Oh, so it's like skydiving?

• 55:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's like Argentina versus Cape Verde or whatever. It's like, even if they losing, it's like, yo, we, we good.

• 55:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:19Mark Gagnon?

  They hype right now.

• 55:20Speaker 00

  Interesting, interesting.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. True. I guess, you know, like kind of the essence of comedy.

• 55:26Speaker 00

  Which is what?

• 55:27Speaker 03

  Just these guys, just in the face of adversity, being like, yeah, we're still gonna have jokes. Like, we need to get them.

• 55:32Mark Gagnon?

  That was the gay shit you ever said.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  We need to get them on the pod.

• 55:36Speaker 03

  Bring them on the pod. Be like, yo, where do you find your creative spark?

• 55:39Speaker 00

  Araguchi? We're gonna be like, Araguchi? Like, what's next? What's next on the meme?

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We need to do Inside the Actor Studio. Like, where, where do you get your creative inspiration? You know? I think we bring them in.

• 55:50Speaker 00

  What's the update on that? What are we doing over there?

• 55:52Speaker 03

  Well, I think we just declared that we own it. Trump came out with a map and he was like, it's ours.

• 55:57Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah. The straight is ours now.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. According to Trump's tweet, so.

• 56:03Speaker 00

  So it's ours?

• 56:04Speaker 03

  Yes, it was ours.

• 56:05Speaker 00

  All right.

• 56:06Speaker 03

  For now.

• 56:07Speaker 00

  That seems good.

• 56:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's good.

• 56:08Speaker 00

  Now, even though it's ours, are they still blowing shit up on it?

• 56:12Speaker 03

  I, maybe. I haven't seen.

• 56:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, shit is still not really passing through.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:15Mark Gagnon?

  But it's ours, though.

• 56:16Speaker 03

  But it's ours.

• 56:16Speaker 00

  It's ours, though.

• 56:17Mark Gagnon?

  It's ours.

• 56:18Speaker 00

  That's.

• 56:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 56:19Speaker 00

  Take that. It's your little Lego. You thought your shit was yours. It's ours now.

• 56:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:25Speaker 00

  That's, that's how you dominate.

• 56:27Mark Gagnon?

  We, we leaving our guy stranded out there in his fucking boat with no supplies, broken bathrooms.

• 56:33Speaker 00

  Can you, can you talk about knowing someone that's out there?

• 56:37Speaker 03

  Vaguely, yeah.

• 56:38Speaker 00

  You can vaguely talk about it because you know someone that might be out there.

• 56:41Speaker 03

  I know a guy on a boat.

• 56:42Mark Gagnon?

  Oof.

• 56:42Speaker 03

  Not this boat, but on a boat.

• 56:44Speaker 00

  And what is the sentiment? Is it, would you say it matches what the, uh, has been written on that boat?

• 56:50Speaker 03

  I think similar, maybe not to the same degree as the USS Lincoln, but similar vibes where it's like, all right, time to go home. This is a lot.

• 56:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 56:58Speaker 03

  And it's a lot of like, just kind of waiting. Like, at first it was like real intense where it was like, oh shit, everything's cracking off. This is, this is life or death. Which is partially good because then like you're busy and you're doing stuff all day.

• 57:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 03

  But then partially scary because you're like, yo, are we about to get fucking bombed?

• 57:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:13Speaker 03

  But now that things have kind of cooled down, it's sort of like in a stalemate. It's like, all right, what are we doing? Like, can we go to port? Can we dock somewhere? Can we get a Mai Tai? Like, what?

• 57:23Speaker 00

  They need to blow off some steam.

• 57:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:26Speaker 00

  Can't they just take them somewhere else to blow off some steam?

• 57:28Speaker 03

  You would think, but now they're just stuck. They're like, no, we gotta be on patrol. We can't be docking in Dubai.

• 57:34Speaker 00

  But can't, can't they switch out the homies a little bit? Can't they like throw another ship there, take some guys out, put some new guys in?

• 57:39Speaker 03

  You would think. But I guess they only got like three carriers. So they gotta, we gotta patrol at all times.

• 57:44Speaker 00

  More men than they have carriers, obviously. Can't they just reshuffle?

• 57:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, then you gotta go back to America, the whole thing.

• 57:49Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 57:52Speaker 00

  I'm not saying the ship goes back to America. I'm saying another ship goes there with all new men and then they trade off. So the carrier stays there.

• 58:00Speaker 03

  That's a good idea.

• 58:01Speaker 00

  I can't be the only person that's thought of that.

• 58:03Mark Gagnon?

  Like, it seems so simple. It's like, wait, why haven't we?

• 58:08Speaker 00

  Give them a little break.

• 58:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 58:09Speaker 03

  And normally they do, but I think this deployment is going long. I think it was supposed to be like ending in like September, October, and they pushed it back to like January.

• 58:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:18Speaker 03

  So now they're just like, yeah, we'll go back in a year.

• 58:21Mark Gagnon?

  That shit's fucked up.

• 58:22Speaker 03

  Posted up.

• 58:23Mark Gagnon?

  Like, these are our boys, man. Come on.

• 58:25Speaker 00

  All they want is a nuke? That's it?

• 58:30Mark Gagnon?

  Just let them have it.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  It's a nuke. It's like, yo.

• 58:33Mark Gagnon?

  Just give everybody.

• 58:34Speaker 00

  Nobody uses them.

• 58:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, why don't we put it on like layaway? Be like, hey, you can have a nuke. We're gonna keep it here. And whenever you want it, you let us know. We'll keep it in America.

• 58:44Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:45Speaker 03

  And then whenever you, it's yours. It's got your name on it.

• 58:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:48Speaker 00

  How about we give them one?

• 58:51Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 58:52Speaker 00

  If they do use it.

• 58:55Speaker 00

  Fuck.

• 58:57Speaker 00

  Right?

• 58:58Mark Gagnon?

  Or.

• 58:59Speaker 00

  But if they don't.

• 59:00Speaker 03

  Hmm. Or give them a nuke, fill it with soldiers.

• 59:03Mark Gagnon?

  That's, oh, okay.

• 59:05Speaker 00

  Oh, honesty. Honesty. Honesty. This is good.

• 59:09Speaker 03

  Slide it in. You're like, oh, we gave you a nuke.

• 59:11Speaker 00

  We got it, gave you a nuke. Hands off. That's it.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  And then boom, Elliot Page pops out. Ten of them. And just starts terrorizing the nation. I'm saying, there's, there's other ways.

• 59:21Speaker 00

  Because they're too accepting of trans over there.

• 59:24Speaker 03

  What, in Iran?

• 59:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:25Mark Gagnon?

  What do you mean?

• 59:25Speaker 00

  Gay's illegal, so you can be trans.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  Word?

• 59:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:30Speaker 03

  That's kind of.

• 59:30Mark Gagnon?

  Are you sure about this?

• 59:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, look it up.

• 59:33Speaker 03

  It's a nice little loophole, I feel like.

• 59:34Speaker 00

  It's a loophole, so you can't be gay, but if you want to be gay, you basically got to cut your dick off, which sucks even more. But if you're trans, it's like kind of ideal.

• 59:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Oh, shit. All right. Um, why don't we just give them a bomb that don't work? But like, all the bells and whistles, like it does work. Like it checks out if you check it. So then it's like, ah, you got that. And then if they try to use it, it's like.

• 59:56Speaker 00

  What's worst case scenario? What's worst case scenario if they have a nuke? Because that's what they want. What's the worst? Just give me the worst case scenario. What's the, what's the? Give me the worst case scenario if they have a nuke. Give me the worst case. The absolute worst case scenario.

• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  What if they come over here to America?

• 1:00:14Speaker 00

  How are they going to go over here?

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  Fly?

• 1:00:17Speaker 00

  We're not going to let that.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:19Speaker 00

  We're not going to let that. Let's just be honest.

• 1:00:20Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:00:21Speaker 00

  Okay, so, worst case scenario, go.

• 1:00:23Speaker 03

  I mean, you know, they could get one of our allies with a nuke, that's not good.

• 1:00:28Speaker 00

  Okay, so you're saying this.

• 1:00:33Speaker 03

  Like UAE or Saudi?

• 1:00:34Speaker 00

  Okay, you're saying they would drop it on.

• 1:00:38Speaker 03

  Which would be bad.

• 1:00:39Speaker 00

  You're saying they would drop it on UAE or Saudi.

• 1:00:41Speaker 03

  Or one of our other allies.

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  Or one of our other allies.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  Which would be bad.

• 1:00:44Speaker 00

  Right, like Lebanon or something like that. Or Jordan.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  That'd be terrible.

• 1:00:47Speaker 00

  Got it, got it, got it.

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  Or, yeah, anyone.

• 1:00:50Speaker 00

  Now, and then if it was another ally, don't you think that they would have good enough intelligence to know it was going to happen? And probably stop that before it happens?

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  You would hope.

• 1:00:58Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:59Speaker 00

  All right, so then that's on them.

• 1:01:01Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:01:02Speaker 00

  Right?

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. You're saying mutually assured.

• 1:01:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:06Speaker 03

  Everyone gets a nuke.

• 1:01:08Speaker 00

  And then we get that Hormuz open.

• 1:01:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 00

  Because are, are you feeling that closed Hormuz?

• 1:01:14Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:01:15Speaker 00

  Are you feeling that economically?

• 1:01:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's emotionally.

• 1:01:18Speaker 00

  You're feeling it emotionally?

• 1:01:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:20Speaker 00

  Because as New Yorkers, if you're not driving a lot, you're not feeling the actual direct cost of goods going up. You feel the cost of goods maybe at the grocery store. But there's part of me, it's like, how much is that as directly related to the Hormuz? Or how much is that as inflation?

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:01:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. I order out every day, so I wouldn't know.

• 1:01:37Speaker 00

  But you, now you got to pay that DoorDash.

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:41Mark Gagnon?

  So, the way I do things.

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, tell me, tell me the way you do things.

• 1:01:45Mark Gagnon?

  So it's like, they keep upping the fees.

• 1:01:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:48Mark Gagnon?

  And to me, fees is your tip. So if they, if they up the fees, I'll lower the tip. I always balance out the fees and the tip 20%.

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  Okay, so if the company raises it.

• 1:02:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  Then you say the guy that delivered it gets less.

• 1:02:02Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, but they're supposed to be giving him that.

• 1:02:04Speaker 00

  Let me ask you guys a question.

• 1:02:05Mark Gagnon?

  They're supposed to be giving them.

• 1:02:06Speaker 00

  I'm glad that we're talking about this, let me ask you a question.

• 1:02:09Speaker 03

  Damn, man.

• 1:02:10Speaker 00

  Went to the bar the other day.

• 1:02:12Mark Gagnon?

  Twenty percent is still a lot.

• 1:02:13Speaker 00

  At lunch, okay?

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:15Speaker 00

  Going to have some lunch, went to the bar before lunch, ordered four drinks, ninety-four dollars.

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:21Speaker 00

  Okay? Fair, sometimes drinks are expensive, wine can be so, okay. I'm ordering it at the bar. What are you tipping? Are you going 20% on that?

• 1:02:34Speaker 03

  Is it a cocktail?

• 1:02:36Speaker 00

  Does, sure.

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  I think it makes a difference.

• 1:02:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it doesn't matter. If they're just opening a beer, it's less money.

• 1:02:40Speaker 00

  But like, there's not a, for a drink, it's a dollar or two?

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:46Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, he, they don't do that anymore.

• 1:02:48Speaker 00

  It's 20%?

• 1:02:49Mark Gagnon?

  Maybe not 20, but it's no more the dollar per drink, like we used to do back in the day.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  Not at dive bars, you're just getting beers. Like if I bought two beers, I'd drop two dollars.

• 1:02:58Speaker 00

  But this is the thing, a beer is six bucks.

• 1:03:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:01Speaker 00

  So by dropping two dollars, you're over 20%.

• 1:03:04Mark Gagnon?

  He has over.

• 1:03:04Speaker 00

  What I'm trying to say is the marginal difference of pouring a beer versus pouring a glass of wine. Like the work is no different, just the price of it is different, right? So going 20%, it's the same thing, like if you order a $10,000 bottle of wine at a restaurant, are you tipping $2,000 on that?

• 1:03:20Mark Gagnon?

  I think you have to.

• 1:03:21Speaker 00

  I, to me, that seems, there's something off there.

• 1:03:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Speaker 00

  Like there's such a disproportionate price of the thing versus the act.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw this circulating on Twitter a little bit, people were discussing. Where they were like, okay, let's say you bring 10 plates of food and a bottle of wine throughout the entire course of a meal.

• 1:03:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  But if I buy the $10,000 bottle of wine and super expensive food, I'm now paying you way more money on a 20% basis, even though you're doing the same amount of plates and the same amount of wine.

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  And so they're like, that's not fair, it should just be a fixed rate based off the number of, of tasks.

• 1:03:53Speaker 00

  I mean, if we were doing it based off the work, it would work in that way. I accept when you go to a restaurant, you're going to have like more expensive food. Like if I'm, I always overtip a restaurant, some, I'm all about, I want service to make tons of money. I used to work in fuck restaurants my whole life, I get it.

• 1:04:06Mark Gagnon?

  You're sounding like a cheap fuck right now.

• 1:04:08Speaker 00

  But, but, but, there's something about just going up to the bar and getting a drink.

• 1:04:13Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:14Speaker 00

  And then the, I'd never have thought 20% at the bar. To bar, it was just like a few bucks per drink that you're making.

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  I think like a five dollar tip on a, on a glass of wine pour is probably reasonable. At a bar.

• 1:04:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:27Speaker 03

  Like at, if you're going to the bar. I think that, like, I even do that with like, uh, DoorDash.

• 1:04:32Mark Gagnon?

  Bro, that's more than 20%.

• 1:04:34Speaker 00

  Nah, DoorDash, you gotta, you gotta pay more money, they're out there in inclement weather.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  But it depends on the weather. If it's raining or snowing, then you go up.

• 1:04:41Speaker 00

  So you're paying based on the weather. A beautiful day, no tip?

• 1:04:44Speaker 03

  No, a beautiful day, it's like, if it's close to me, five bucks.

• 1:04:48Mark Gagnon?

  That's less than 20%.

• 1:04:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that guy's family doesn't, is now praying for inclement weather so that you can feed them. That guy is hoping it's raining just so he can feed his family?

• 1:04:59Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, no, no, no. You're not going to make me feel bad for my adjusting, and you only giving five dollars on like probably a $80.

• 1:05:06Speaker 03

  An $80 DoorDash?

• 1:05:07Mark Gagnon?

  You ordered for you and your lady. That's at least 50.

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  No, no, it's, I, it's just me alone. The past two weeks has just been me alone, it's a $20 thing, five bucks, bang, everyone's happy.

• 1:05:16Mark Gagnon?

  I think he lied.

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  But then if it's raining, if it's raining, you go 10 bucks.

• 1:05:20Speaker 00

  Out of guilt.

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  Out of appreciation that you're coming in the rain. You know what I mean? You're getting soaked, you have to stand out there, you're probably doing less drives, you got to drive a little slower. But if it's nice weather, you're going, zipping around super fast.

• 1:05:31Speaker 00

  $10,000 bottle of wine, you're tipping $2,000 on it. It's the same exact move for them to uncork it with the $300.

• 1:05:36Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but you rich, if you're buying a 10 grand wine, so 2G tip is nothing.

• 1:05:44Speaker 03

  But it's still something.

• 1:05:46Mark Gagnon?

  No, rich people over tip.

• 1:05:48Speaker 03

  I think a $500 tip is, is, is like awesome, on a $10,000 bottle of wine.

• 1:05:52Speaker 00

  When, when, when you go out to bottle service or whatever, right? Like these people who do bottle service.

• 1:05:56Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:57Speaker 00

  The bottle service chicks are making like this retarded amount of money. But we all recognize it's retarded. Like it's like, uh, like a, so like some glitch in the matrix, right? Like, we're like, this doesn't make any sense, but because it's in the nightclub, whatever, these are the feet, da, da, da. Like, and they bake it in already, they don't even let you not tip.

• 1:06:14Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:14Speaker 00

  They go, this is, because they know how absurd it is.

• 1:06:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:17Speaker 00

  But those girls are also working, getting sexually harassed all fucking day. Like they're actually doing something to get that.

• 1:06:22Mark Gagnon?

  They bake it in, and they still ask, hey, there's a line for additional tip if you want to leave.

• 1:06:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:28Mark Gagnon?

  And then they do that, that's like the fucking dentist shit.

• 1:06:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:06:32Mark Gagnon?

  How you go with zero on the additional tip line?

• 1:06:34Speaker 00

  It's crazy.

• 1:06:36Mark Gagnon?

  But that, that is like. Bad Latina with a fat ass.

• 1:06:38Speaker 00

  I put an arrow on that one to where the tip already is. I'm just drawing it out.

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  See above.

• 1:06:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, look at this, this one right here is where the tip went.

• 1:06:47Mark Gagnon?

  Did you see the new shit? I don't know if this is fake, I, probably is fake, but the Chick-fil-A thing, where it's like, you order at the kiosk, and then if you don't tip, they change the price and make all the food more expensive?

• 1:06:58Speaker 00

  That's crazy.

• 1:06:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:59Mark Gagnon?

  It's not.

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  I saw it, they said it was a glitch and they patched it.

• 1:07:02Speaker 00

  Fuck is that glitch?

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  That's what they said.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  Now they patched it through the, through the pushback.

• 1:07:06Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:06Speaker 00

  You've seen the coffee one that they figured out, right? They figured out this a couple of years ago, but this is brilliant.

• 1:07:10Mark Gagnon?

  What?

• 1:07:11Speaker 00

  And I actually agree with this one, but like, so back in the day, the first iteration of the iPad that just flips over, it just had 10%, 15%, 20%, or whatever. And now it's 20, 25, 30, whatever it is, but it was percent basis. You order a cup of coffee, a cup of coffee is three, four, or five dollars, not if you're getting some fancy lattes, just regular cup of coffee, right? 10% of $3, 30 cents.

• 1:07:33Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:07:34Speaker 00

  They start realizing, yo, by doing this pay this way shit, we're making less money than we used to make in tips when people would actually pay without, because you always just throw a dollar in the little cup jar or whatever it is. So now what they do is, if the order has a tip that would be less than a dollar, they adjust it to one, two, or three.

• 1:07:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:58Speaker 00

  And then if it's more than a dollar, it's percentage.

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's clever.

• 1:08:04Mark Gagnon?

  Fucked up.

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  That's clever. I mean, I also had a funny moment going to get coffee with one of our friends.

• 1:08:08Speaker 00

  What happened?

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  One of our friends that might be on Red True Tide and might not be, uh, went to a coffee shop that's new and very nice, and like everything in it would make that friend very excited and happy. Ordered a cold brew, uh, tipped, and then was handed a cup of ice. And then you walk over and fill up your own cold brew.

• 1:08:30Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, that's wild.

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  Our friend had a bit of a.

• 1:08:33Speaker 03

  Just holding a cup of ice going, nope.

• 1:08:36Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:08:37Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  And then I think our friend asked if they do refills, like, oh, I can get refills. Person goes, no. And just short circuited that poor little brain.

• 1:08:47Mark Gagnon?

  So then what happened? Did he ask for his money back?

• 1:08:49Speaker 02

  No, he, he just, next time. He's a real next time kind of guy.

• 1:08:53Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, so it's like, yeah.

• 1:08:54Speaker 03

  Silently.

• 1:08:55Mark Gagnon?

  So you got to win, yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  He got got, but he'll never get got again, ever, from that place, so.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. That is crazy, you fill up your own cold brew and they're going to make you tip? That's, that's a little, I mean, now we're being egregious, this is like self-checkout, it's too much.

• 1:09:10Speaker 00

  Do you guys do that self-checkout?

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:14Speaker 03

  I like the self-checkout.

• 1:09:16Mark Gagnon?

  But I don't do food shopping, so it's like CVS, like those small places.

• 1:09:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, let me just get out of there.

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got no issue with that.

• 1:09:22Speaker 00

  Yo, I, I, at JFK, I went to that Dunkin', you know, the Dunkin' at JFK where your bags are?

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:29Speaker 00

  They had the, the screens up where you put the order in. It was the same amount of motherfuckers working there.

• 1:09:37Speaker 00

  So I'm like, let me just order through you like, like it was no different. It was, you think if it's screens, it's one person making coffee and just screens.

• 1:09:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:46Speaker 00

  It was three screens. There's still someone behind the screen. We're, instead of saying it to the Indian woman, we're just typing it on the screen. And then she's just saying, oh, go make this coffee. Like in, in no way was it more efficient.

• 1:09:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:58Speaker 00

  Uh, so I'm like, what, what's going on here?

• 1:10:00Speaker 03

  I'm assuming the airport's like, yo, you're already there.

• 1:10:03Speaker 00

  Also, all the Dunkin's are owned by an Indian family.

• 1:10:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:06Speaker 00

  They're not gonna hire less of their kids.

• 1:10:11Speaker 00

  How does this help anybody?

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:13Speaker 00

  Right? These are like mom and pop shops.

• 1:10:15Speaker 03

  But the corporate came through, they're like, hey, we're going screens. And they were like, nope, we're going my five kids.

• 1:10:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's like, my family's working here and I have to pay them no matter what. So let me just take the fucking order.

• 1:10:24Mark Gagnon?

  But then they're hiring their other engineer kids to make the fucking screens.

• 1:10:28Speaker 00

  Oh, that's fair. Okay, that's fair. So it is full cycle.

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:33Speaker 03

  Damn, that's smart.

• 1:10:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:35Mark Gagnon?

  But yeah, that's the worst Dunkin' Donuts. I don't know why, but everything you get there, the donuts are always stale as fuck. The coffee is fucking burnt and shit like.

• 1:10:43Speaker 00

  They also show you the food too much. Like block it out a little bit, bro. Like you order the sandwich over here. When you're waiting for your coffee, you could see into the little drawers that they got the patties and the eggs in. And you're like, keep it, bro. I like, I know what I'm ordering when I order a Dunkin', but I don't wanna see it.

• 1:10:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like a butcher.

• 1:10:59Speaker 00

  Hide it.

• 1:11:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, put it behind.

• 1:11:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:02Speaker 03

  It, it kinda grows you out.

• 1:11:03Speaker 00

  At least a butcher, you, the animal's real. But when you see like little slides of eggs that have been just frozen and cooked somewhere else.

• 1:11:11Speaker 03

  In a file cabinet?

• 1:11:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then some dude with his fucking nails picking one out. Get the fuck out of here. I don't wanna see that. Come off a red eye flight from LA and I gotta see an Indian guy grabbing a fucking handful of egg whites? And throwing them on like a biscuit?

• 1:11:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't feel, I don't feel super bougie, but there's things that happen sometimes that do make you uncomfortable.

• 1:11:33Speaker 00

  Is that bougie for me to say?

• 1:11:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, it is. You go to fucking Dunkin' Donuts. They've always served it like that for.

• 1:11:40Speaker 00

  I'm asking for this, Al. That's bougie to ask to just not see a guy's fingernails dig into my egg white?

• 1:11:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 1:11:48Speaker 00

  I'm bougie, I guess. Oh, I changed.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  No, it's not bougie.

• 1:11:53Mark Gagnon?

  I'd rather, no protection. So then you're not seeing when they drop it on the floor, pick it back up and put it back in your shit. Cause you know that's going on at Dunkin' Donuts. They ain't wasting nothing there.

• 1:12:02Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:12:02Mark Gagnon?

  You know that's happening. So I'd rather see the shit.

• 1:12:06Speaker 03

  Me and Miles are sitting at a bagel spot and a guy at a restaurant down the way, he like dropped a whole like container, like a bucket of like lettuce or something. Or like beans or some shit. And he's like, ah shit, I dropped it. He goes inside and we're like, oh man, poor guy, he dropped it. And then he comes back out, starts scooping it up, putting it back into the bucket.

• 1:12:24Speaker 00

  Oh, and you wanna see that.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  And Miles and I look at each other.

• 1:12:27Mark Gagnon?

  And I know not to go back to that spot.

• 1:12:29Speaker 00

  But there's only one place for coffee in JFK. I'm getting the coffee.

• 1:12:33Speaker 03

  No, it's possible the guy threw it away. But we were looking at each other like, you don't think, you don't think he's, nah, right? But you never know.

• 1:12:41Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, what place is this? I can't go back there.

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  It's on like the Upper West Side.

• 1:12:44Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, good.

• 1:12:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. But he's just scooping it up. We're like, oh man, I don't know.

• 1:12:47Mark Gagnon?

  Fuck, you're doing Upper West Side.

• 1:12:49Speaker 03

  We did, uh, City Streets.

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  Summer Streets.

• 1:12:51Speaker 03

  Whatever, Summer Streets.

• 1:12:52Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, when you, okay, okay.

• 1:12:53Speaker 00

  What's that about?

• 1:12:55Speaker 03

  They block off a street and cause insane traffic so that, uh, people can run and roller skate.

• 1:13:00Mark Gagnon?

  Fucking retarded. It's the most retarded thing.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  It's so sick. They should do it more weekends. They do it all over Europe. It's awesome.

• 1:13:05Mark Gagnon?

  They split the city in half. So if you're trying to go east to west or west to east, it's impossible.

• 1:13:09Speaker 00

  Guys, guys.

• 1:13:10Mark Gagnon?

  Just so these motherfuckers, oh, I can walk on a street today.

• 1:13:13Speaker 03

  And rollerblade.

• 1:13:14Mark Gagnon?

  You can do that everywhere. You got the West Side Highway. You got the fucking FDR. Like go there.

• 1:13:19Speaker 00

  New York, we're really trying to accommodate people who come here to enjoy their life. This is not to be enjoyed.

• 1:13:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:26Speaker 00

  You come here for your dreams and aspirations.

• 1:13:28Speaker 03

  And you're supposed to suffer.

• 1:13:29Speaker 00

  And you're supposed to suffer. We live on top and next to each other. The suffering is part of the culture of the city. It's what makes us funny. It was makes us interesting. It's what makes us have strong opinions. There's no like walk down the street. And I remember they would try to do these little fucking parades or whatever where they like, it's just a bunch of empanada stands. You know, like an Orapus stands or whatever. It ain't even authentic.

• 1:13:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I know. It's not.

• 1:13:49Speaker 00

  No matter what, what it is, like this is the, this is the, the village, whatever. It's the same stand you get at the Upper East Side. So we're not even having authentic cultural experience here.

• 1:13:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:59Mark Gagnon?

  They doing it for them. For these fucking transplants.

• 1:14:02Speaker 00

  We're doing, we're doing too much of that. Also, stop it with the, stop it with the potholes.

• 1:14:08Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, hold up.

• 1:14:09Speaker 00

  We need more potholes. We need more potholes.

• 1:14:13Mark Gagnon?

  I kinda, I kinda like Zoran with his whole situation. People will post some shit and then it's fixed the next day. That's kinda fire. It's the most low level bullshit, but it's kinda fire.

• 1:14:22Speaker 00

  Stub your toe in a fucking pothole, bro. That's a rite of passage. It's a rite of passage to be taking your bike and fall into a pothole and have your tire bent. This is what makes New York, New York. Well, New York's not gonna be New York. There's nothing to complain about. I also got a different opinion. If you, if you're born and, and raised here, or if you move here as a child against your will, meaning your family took you here. The rent freeze can be applied to you.

• 1:14:46Mark Gagnon?

  I like this.

• 1:14:47Speaker 00

  If you moved here as an adult.

• 1:14:50Mark Gagnon?

  I like this.

• 1:14:50Speaker 00

  Knowing New York is expensive, knowing you, New York rent is absolutely crazy.

• 1:14:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:57Speaker 00

  You don't get to have a frozen rent. You chose to be here.

• 1:15:01Mark Gagnon?

  It should be like universities. Like if you're.

• 1:15:03Speaker 00

  If you move to China and go, it's too many Chinese people. Do you think they give a fuck? Do you know what I mean? If you move to Japan, you're like, it's all these sushi restaurants. Do they change that for you? No, but if you're a child that was moved here at seven years old and you have to endure this price and this expensive shit, cause so many other people come. Okay, then maybe we can work something for you.

• 1:15:24Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:24Speaker 00

  But you don't get to just move here and then one year later go, oh, my rent's going up. And then we gotta, oh, let's accommodate that.

• 1:15:29Speaker 03

  But how do you prove it? So how do you, how do you prove that someone's been here for the right amount of time?

• 1:15:33Speaker 00

  This is very simple. Were you here before you were 18?

• 1:15:35Speaker 03

  But so, someone's born here, they live here till they're five, they move to Florida.

• 1:15:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:39Speaker 03

  They turn 20, they move back. Do they get it?

• 1:15:41Speaker 00

  No, they should be put in jail.

• 1:15:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. I think everybody who moves here, you should get a tattoo of a number put on you.

• 1:15:48Speaker 03

  That sounds familiar.

• 1:15:49Speaker 00

  Nah, you know what I would say? What I would say, I think there's so few people that were just like anchor babyed in New York is what you're talking about. There's so few that you, they get to rock with it.

• 1:15:58Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:15:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, they get fine. I'll deal with that. I'll deal with that. But if you move here.

• 1:16:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:02Speaker 00

  If you move here, like to the city that you know is the most expensive city in the world, then you're like, oh, it's so expensive. It's like, yeah, motherfucker.

• 1:16:09Mark Gagnon?

  If you moved here after high school, you get no New York privileges.

• 1:16:12Speaker 00

  No New York privileges. Zero. That's, this is only for the people that weren't, didn't have a choice.

• 1:16:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:19Speaker 00

  They don't know any better. People that grew up in New York, you think they could just move to the farm? What are they gonna do there? They, they, you think New Yorkers can just go live in a suburb? They'll go fucking crazy.

• 1:16:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. But then you have people stuck here, when some of those people maybe need to leave.

• 1:16:33Speaker 00

  Who is they?

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

  You know, someone's born here. They're like, I don't really like it, but my rent is cheap, so I'm just gonna stick around. And then you're stopping some great creative from coming from out of town that's gonna come in and bring vitality to the city.

• 1:16:44Speaker 00

  From coming into town. Nothing is stopping them.

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  It was expensive.

• 1:16:46Speaker 00

  People will come. They'll find a way.

• 1:16:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:49Speaker 00

  Brooklyn, it looks like Brooklyn now because of that.

• 1:16:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 1:16:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, really ruining Brooklyn. I'm sorry. I know you guys love it.

• 1:16:56Speaker 00

  Why is it ruining? That's the other thing. Why is it ruining?

• 1:17:00Mark Gagnon?

  It's just taking all the character out of it. Like fucking Williamsburg looks like a bootleg Soho now. Like they got high end stores in Williamsburg.

• 1:17:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that's ruined.

• 1:17:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's like, the character's out of Brooklyn. Brooklyn's not that. Go to Manhattan for that shit.

• 1:17:19Speaker 03

  It was warehouses for, there's no culture.

• 1:17:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know if it's ruined.

• 1:17:22Mark Gagnon?

  That was culture. That was culture.

• 1:17:24Speaker 00

  I'm not gonna lie, it's, it's greatly improved.

• 1:17:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's fire.

• 1:17:28Speaker 00

  It's greatly.

• 1:17:28Speaker 03

  You've seen a picture of Williamsburg before? Oh my God, we used to drive through it. It's greatly improved.

• 1:17:34Mark Gagnon?

  I don't like it.

• 1:17:34Speaker 00

  Uh, hey.

• 1:17:35Mark Gagnon?

  It's just, it's no character.

• 1:17:37Speaker 00

  Hey, but what do you mean it's no character? It's nice. It's fun. You could live there. It's like, it works.

• 1:17:43Mark Gagnon?

  You got men and women with the same length hair. Like it's, it's not supposed to be like that, bro.

• 1:17:48Speaker 00

  Williamsburg is so much better. Matter of fact, most parts of Brooklyn are so much better. Did you see that little block party in Bed-Stuy?

• 1:17:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, but that's real.

• 1:17:55Speaker 00

  White guys twerking?

• 1:17:56Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't see the white.

• 1:17:57Speaker 00

  You didn't see this one? There, go look up.

• 1:17:58Mark Gagnon?

  But that's real New York. Like that's where I still go.

• 1:18:01Speaker 00

  No, no. What I'm saying is they turned Bed-Stuy into Williamsburg.

• 1:18:04Mark Gagnon?

  Wait a minute. I didn't see the thing you said. But the block parties that they have like.

• 1:18:09Speaker 00

  I get the idea where it's like, if you had a community and a culture that existed in a neighborhood and then the transplants come in and they like, you know, make it all fucking like, uh, hipster and white. I get that. But like, why are we gonna pretend like Williamsburg? There was no like thriving culture and community in Williamsburg. It was like the Hasidic Jews had their little area and then outside, nobody even went to Williamsburg.

• 1:18:30Speaker 03

  The Puerto Ricans might do it.

• 1:18:30Speaker 00

  Puerto Ricans. I think Puerto Ricans were further. Puerto Ricans were by like Grand Street.

• 1:18:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, there are South Williamsburgs.

• 1:18:36Speaker 00

  It's more south. It's not like on, what is that?

• 1:18:38Speaker 02

  Six, like this, we're making the same point. North Six was like not really like a.

• 1:18:42Speaker 00

  None of us went over there, bro. Let's be honest.

• 1:18:44Mark Gagnon?

  I went over there.

• 1:18:45Speaker 00

  You're from Far Rock away.

• 1:18:48Mark Gagnon?

  When I was in college, I was goat over there.

• 1:18:50Speaker 00

  You, you, you, you can't get your rent frozen. You're from Far Rock.

• 1:18:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:55Speaker 00

  You're from Far Rock, bro. You can't get your rent frozen.

• 1:18:57Mark Gagnon?

  What you mean?

• 1:18:58Speaker 00

  You can't get your rent frozen.

• 1:18:59Mark Gagnon?

  How is Far Rock not New York?

• 1:19:00Speaker 00

  You can't get your rent frozen.

• 1:19:01Speaker 03

  Those in the sand, you can't get your rent frozen.

• 1:19:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. If, yeah, if you grew up swimming.

• 1:19:06Speaker 03

  He's in Florida. He's basically from Florida.

• 1:19:07Speaker 00

  Don't get your rent frozen.

• 1:19:08Mark Gagnon?

  John, I was swimming next to fucking needles and shit floating in the water. It was dirty back in the day.

• 1:19:14Speaker 00

  Also, here's the other thing. It's like.

• 1:19:16Mark Gagnon?

  That's New York experience.

• 1:19:17Speaker 00

  Yo, it is the most New York beach. I will give you that. It is New York as fuck.

• 1:19:22Mark Gagnon?

  Dodging syringes and shit.

• 1:19:25Speaker 00

  Coney Island is a New York ass beach because it's, you never see people that close to the sand that are dressed and not prepared for sand at all.

• 1:19:33Mark Gagnon?

  Like they didn't know the beach was there.

• 1:19:34Speaker 00

  Bro.

• 1:19:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:36Speaker 00

  Like the sand is right there.

• 1:19:37Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:38Speaker 00

  And they're not going in. Do you know what I mean? It's two different worlds.

• 1:19:42Mark Gagnon?

  And then you see families not prepared for the beach, but all their kids in their underwear fully in the water. Straight underwear.

• 1:19:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, like the beach happened to them.

• 1:19:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like tighty whities.

• 1:19:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm trying to think like that, what is it? Greenpoint?

• 1:19:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, Poland.

• 1:19:58Speaker 00

  That little Polish area? Greenpoint is so much better.

• 1:20:01Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Mate, compared to what?

• 1:20:04Speaker 00

  It's white on white crime, so maybe people don't care about it as much, but they improved the fuck out of Greenpoint. Greenpoint stunk back in the day.

• 1:20:12Speaker 03

  The gentrifiers fixing up the Polish.

• 1:20:13Speaker 00

  They fucking, oh, immaculate. Amazing job.

• 1:20:17Mark Gagnon?

  I wish they just like sprinkled them in. Like just change it a little bit.

• 1:20:21Speaker 00

  This is where.

• 1:20:21Mark Gagnon?

  But don't like fully convert it.

• 1:20:24Speaker 00

  This is where the gentrifiers went wrong. When gentrifiers gentrified white areas.

• 1:20:29Mark Gagnon?

  They would do.

• 1:20:29Speaker 00

  Nobody cares.

• 1:20:32Mark Gagnon?

  True.

• 1:20:32Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? So they just did that shit to Greenpoint where it was all Polish. Or like the Italians or wherever, where is that over in like Bay Ridge or some shit like that? Nobody would really trip about it. It's when they went into Bed-Stuy, they went to like Flatbush, they went to, trying to think of other, what's the other point, Fort Greene?

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:51Speaker 00

  That's when you start getting into some cultural issues.

• 1:20:54Speaker 03

  But from a gender fire, it feels racist to be like, hey, I'm only moving where the white people are. Cause then it's like, why don't you just live in a black community? And like, oh, I only want to gender fire the white areas. And it's like.

• 1:21:05Mark Gagnon?

  Give it, then you move into a black area and then just make it all white.

• 1:21:09Speaker 03

  Well, you know.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  You gotta open a small business. You know what I mean? You gotta open a cupcake shop.

• 1:21:14Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, do it to them motherfuckers, man. But nah, I do appreciate the transplants. I'm not hating on all of you guys, but it is, the city has changed quite a bit.

• 1:21:23Speaker 00

  But the city changes. That's the other thing. It's like, that's the nature of New York.

• 1:21:27Mark Gagnon?

  But Manhattan doesn't.

• 1:21:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, my neighborhood growing up changed four times over.

• 1:21:32Mark Gagnon?

  Manhattan still has solid areas where it's very diverse. Like you have.

• 1:21:36Speaker 00

  But Manhattan's always been diverse because everybody got to come there for their job.

• 1:21:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but Brooklyn is slowly like, the white wave is coming.

• 1:21:44Speaker 00

  Do you know why? Cause there's jobs there now. When we were growing up, everybody was just coming to New York to work. Like if you had like a job that paid, you were coming to the city. You were working in Midtown or you were working downtown.

• 1:21:56Mark Gagnon?

  They're all still working in Manhattan.

• 1:21:57Speaker 00

  Well, I think a lot of people work from home now. So now it's like, well, if I'm working from home or I'm just chilling, I want to have a nice little cafe I can go to. I want to have a nice little. Back in the day, happy hour was in Midtown. Now all those fucking Midtown bars are hollowed out. Nobody's going to them shits anymore.

• 1:22:12Mark Gagnon?

  That's very true.

• 1:22:13Speaker 00

  All those like corporate steak houses that used to, remember when we were young, it was like, I'm trying to think, there was like spots in Midtown where.

• 1:22:20Speaker 03

  Queens or whatever?

• 1:22:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, like a Smith and Wolinsky and like these like iconic restaurants that you would just go to these like boozy ass like business lunches.

• 1:22:28Mark Gagnon?

  Steps or some shit like the one, it was like four floors and it was just like a after work party.

• 1:22:33Speaker 00

  They would let it rip. They, these guys weren't going home. You know, you were like plotting global wars for fucking eight hours. You gotta wash that down with a couple martinis, right?

• 1:22:42Speaker 03

  Exactly. You gotta bail out the bankers, tell them to eat. You can't do it at home.

• 1:22:45Speaker 00

  Now you at home. Now you're working in Brooklyn, you're working in fucking Queens or whatever like that. Now you want a place to go eat afterwards. So naturally.

• 1:22:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:52Speaker 00

  That's why all the fucking 24 hour restaurants that, remember in Manhattan when we were growing up, every diner was 24 hours.

• 1:22:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's such a shame. It's hard to find a 24 hour diner.

• 1:23:00Speaker 00

  Cause the kids don't, can't afford to live here anymore.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  And the dock workers all left.

• 1:23:04Speaker 00

  The dock, yeah, but the dock were, that's a, that's like a 60s thing.

• 1:23:08Speaker 02

  I know, but I'm saying that triple shift, there was always someone that wanted breakfast.

• 1:23:11Speaker 00

  You're a hundred percent right.

• 1:23:12Speaker 02

  Three, three shifts of eight hours, you had breakfast at some point.

• 1:23:14Speaker 00

  Like Tribeca was all dock workers.

• 1:23:16Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:23:17Speaker 00

  Like it was all like, there was like bars and shit, super working class.

• 1:23:20Speaker 02

  That was Williamsburg, man.

• 1:23:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:22Speaker 03

  We gotta bring back the dock workers.

• 1:23:24Speaker 02

  I mean, you can't have the West Side Highway and dock workers. That's the issue.

• 1:23:29Mark Gagnon?

  They all stranded on the fucking Lincoln River.

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• 1:27:22Speaker 00

  So what's going on? What else, what else is Mom Donnie doing?

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  I mean, he's fixing up potholes. He's uh, gonna arrest Netanyahu. And uh.

• 1:27:33Speaker 00

  He's really in the perfect position politically. He's, he's good.

• 1:27:36Mark Gagnon?

  He's good.

• 1:27:36Speaker 00

  You could see how good he is when you hear the other people that are part of the DSA talk.

• 1:27:41Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, and they're not, yeah.

• 1:27:42Speaker 00

  And they just sound retarded.

• 1:27:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:44Speaker 00

  Like you could see how polished he is because he can articulate the ideas in a way where you're like, ooh, this kind of makes sense. And you care, and then you see one of these chicks who's like 300 pounds overweight with purple hair in an interview and she's just like, yeah, I think we just gotta like get rid of white people. You know, like, I don't think white people should be able to rent a place.

• 1:28:02Mark Gagnon?

  That Asian lady, right?

• 1:28:03Speaker 03

  I mean, he's busting out perfect Chinese.

• 1:28:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, but when I do that, I can't perform in fucking Toronto.

• 1:28:13Speaker 00

  He's not saying shit. You don't think that he's speaking fucking Mandarin? They love Mom Donnie so much, he could just go and do that shit and people are like, oh no, he actually speaks Mandarin. He's faking it. That's fake. There's no way he's actually speaking Chinese. And none of y'all will ask a Chinese person about it.

• 1:28:36Mark Gagnon?

  He's hitting that shit, bro.

• 1:28:37Speaker 00

  It sounds good, but none of us speaking up Chinese to know.

• 1:28:42Mark Gagnon?

  I think it checks out. It checks out.

• 1:28:44Speaker 00

  There's no way.

• 1:28:45Mark Gagnon?

  The inflection is nice. He's nice with it, bro.

• 1:28:48Speaker 00

  No, he's.

• 1:28:49Mark Gagnon?

  He's nice.

• 1:28:50Speaker 00

  But what's, what's interesting is like, it's, it's like, uh, he's, he, all right, he has to work for the online pundits. He has to work because he's the closest example of what they think is the way that cities should be run. Right? Like he is their ideology for the online pundits. I'm talking about like the people existing in the online creator space. So they'll never criticize him because he is their ideology projected on the most important city in the world. Right? So they gotta be like, yo, he's cleaning the potholes.

• 1:29:25Speaker 03

  But he's also done a good job not having anything to criticize.

• 1:29:28Speaker 00

  Well, what I would say is that if he was.

• 1:29:31Mark Gagnon?

  Was kind of.

• 1:29:32Speaker 00

  What I would say is if he was a moderate Democrat and he was doing cleanup potholes, like if, if it was, I mean, fuck Cuomo. But if it was Cuomo who won and he was closing up potholes, they'd be like, how the fuck, you can spend your time closing up potholes when people can't even fucking eat? You're gonna spend your time closing potholes when people can't afford rent? You're gonna spend your time closing up, you know what I mean? Like, what they would, the criticism would be about what he's not doing.

• 1:29:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:57Speaker 00

  But because he's the perfect representation of their ideology, they have to support everything he does and then give no criticism.

• 1:30:05Mark Gagnon?

  But on the surface, he is trying to do, or at least like optically doing those things.

• 1:30:09Speaker 00

  What I, what I would say is-

• 1:30:10Mark Gagnon?

  He does seem like he's doing a lot. Where he's like, yo, you want food? I got a grocery store. You want rent freeze? I'm freezing the rent. Like, and whether or not it's working or not.

• 1:30:16Speaker 00

  What I would say is the reason we don't hear the criticism of is because the online pundits that make their money criticizing can't, because he's the representation of their ideology.

• 1:30:26Mark Gagnon?

  I see what you're saying, but I think he doesn't receive that much criticism because he's actually doing so much. He's like, he's, or he does a great job of-

• 1:30:33Speaker 00

  There's money in criticism.

• 1:30:34Mark Gagnon?

  -making it look like he does a lot.

• 1:30:36Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:30:36Mark Gagnon?

  So if you check every box, where can you criticize?

• 1:30:39Speaker 00

  If, yes, I, I, but again, it's like, are the things actually being done? Like, it was like, I think this last year was like the largest rent increase in, in, you know, the last decade or something like that. And it's like, we all knew this was gonna happen, because when you freeze the rents, then the rents that cannot be frozen, which are half of the fucking units in the city, those are now the only rents that exist in the free market, so naturally those rents are gonna spike. Like, we knew this, anybody that like-

• 1:31:03Mark Gagnon?

  He ain't run on that. He ran on, I'm gonna freeze the rents. And he got the rest of it, so, that's it.

• 1:31:08Speaker 00

  Which makes perfect sense, and it's why it's like, if we're just objectively like, looking at it and going like, this is really like smart politics, it's great. But you don't hear any pushback about it, because the people that would push back against a more moderate Dem can't really say anything about it. They're not gonna look at it and be like, oh, well, this project actually isn't helping half of the people and making half the people's shit even more expensive.

• 1:31:31Mark Gagnon?

  Right.

• 1:31:31Speaker 00

  Like, ah, look the other way about it.

• 1:31:33Mark Gagnon?

  He's also so popular, you don't wanna go against him from inside the party.

• 1:31:35Speaker 00

  Well, definitely, well, the, I'm, the party for sure, but where you hear rhetoric is on Twitter.

• 1:31:40Mark Gagnon?

  But even the right wing boys are going after him.

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, the New York Post is.

• 1:31:43Speaker 00

  The right wing, of course, but the right wing would go after a moderate Dem too.

• 1:31:46Mark Gagnon?

  Right.

• 1:31:47Speaker 00

  Like, matter of fact, I think the right wing isn't going after him so hard, it's because they want it. The only chance anybody on the right has to win an election after the fucking abomination of what Trump is doing is that if progressives take power and they go, they hate America. Like, that's the only, what else could they run on?

• 1:32:05Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, i- it's still a toss-up, but there, there's places where they're getting some wins. Like progressives, these fucking socialist Democrats are getting wins.

• 1:32:14Speaker 00

  That, that's what I'm saying. That's what right wing people want.

• 1:32:19Mark Gagnon?

  To beat out a Republican?

• 1:32:21Speaker 00

  They want, they want the Democratic Party to be the DSA. Because the only chance they have to win is to go, we're not communists. And they are.

• 1:32:32Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:32:32Speaker 00

  They hate America, we don't, because they can't run on anything they've done.

• 1:32:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's been a shit show.

• 1:32:37Speaker 00

  Right, like, what are you gonna possibly run on?

• 1:32:38Mark Gagnon?

  I get what you're saying, I get what you're saying.

• 1:32:39Speaker 00

  So I think that, I think they're kind of like, looking the other way, going, yeah, let them become more extreme.

• 1:32:44Mark Gagnon?

  Take the reins and then hope that they F it up.

• 1:32:46Speaker 00

  And then, they're just looking through everything they've ever said, and then come around election season, you're gonna vote for the guy that said?

• 1:32:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:53Speaker 00

  That America's horrible?

• 1:32:54Mark Gagnon?

  That's a risky play though, because like, as long as you have Mamdani being the spokesperson for that, and if he looks like he's doing a good job, now it's gonna be like, oh shit, people are gonna be more on board for this socialist Democrat stuff, because if they're all gonna be like Mamdani, I might be on board for that.

• 1:33:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:33:12Mark Gagnon?

  Like, it's not, it's no longer the boogeyman socialist.

• 1:33:15Speaker 02

  And Mamdani's not really-

• 1:33:16Mark Gagnon?

  He's not really tripping up either.

• 1:33:17Speaker 00

  No, he's not.

• 1:33:18Mark Gagnon?

  He's like, yo, you want a water fountain?

• 1:33:19Speaker 02

  Here's ten water fountains.

• 1:33:20Speaker 00

  Yeah. This is, again, but look how easy it is for us to be like, bro, folks.

• 1:33:26Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but look how easy it is for him to do that, and no other politicians are doing that easy shit.

• 1:33:31Speaker 00

  So this is, this is the conversation, which is like, there's an art to politics. And sometimes you don't actually have to make change, you have to make people feel like you're making change.

• 1:33:40Mark Gagnon?

  Exactly.

• 1:33:41Speaker 00

  America, Americans, New Yorkers never really care about potholes. Like, it's something that we joke around about, but like, we take the subway. You know what I mean? Like, how many New Yorkers are really driving?

• 1:33:51Mark Gagnon?

  I'm from Far Rock, I've, I care about it.

• 1:33:54Speaker 00

  How many, how many voters in New York have a car? You know what I mean? I would imagine like, the majority of New Yorkers don't have cars, you know what I mean?

• 1:34:01Mark Gagnon?

  No, but it's like when you bring flowers home for your girl, you know what I mean? It's like, oh, you're thinking of me.

• 1:34:05Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:34:05Mark Gagnon?

  You know?

• 1:34:06Speaker 00

  That is exactly it, and that's what he's masterful at. And, uh, but yeah, it is, we are in an interesting situation. Where it's like, say again?

• 1:34:15Speaker 02

  He's done some stuff, like, he's done the Peter, Peter, tear tax? I don't know how to say it, I'm-

• 1:34:19Mark Gagnon?

  Peter, tear?

• 1:34:20Speaker 00

  Peter, tear, but even that shit is like-

• 1:34:22Speaker 02

  And like, the, the rent increase, I think is actually, and I'm not trying to like, tap for the, the boy or whatever, but like, but didn't they take broker's fees away under Adams? And they said that would increase rent in 2026.

• 1:34:34Speaker 00

  I'm not defending Adams.

• 1:34:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, no, I'm just saying rent going up this year, I think was sort of like a projected idea.

• 1:34:39Speaker 00

  It will continue to go up as more people move back in the city and like, people can't work from home and, you know, like, it's, it's New York at the end of the day.

• 1:34:46Mark Gagnon?

  I also think it's who you surround yourself by. I think you're around a lot of wealthy people who, the things Mamdani is doing, it doesn't necessarily benefit them. And like, everybody I talk to loves everything that's happened. Like, I, I don't hear any pushbacks. So it's like, if the majority is happy, then he's doing a fucking fantastic job.

• 1:35:09Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 1:35:10Mark Gagnon?

  If the minority is upset, it's like, eh, that's gonna happen.

• 1:35:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:13Mark Gagnon?

  But you can't make everybody happy.

• 1:35:15Speaker 00

  For sure. The, the question I'm not, I'm, I'm saying is more like, is this actually gonna positively impact people's lives? Or is it flowers? Giving your girl flowers doesn't really change your relationship, it doesn't change the struggles that you guys have, or the dynamics that you gotta change, but in that moment, it makes you feel good that that person's thinking about you.

• 1:35:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but isn't it positively, positively impacting their lives if all these people are on bikes and now they don't have to worry about potholes?

• 1:35:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:44Mark Gagnon?

  Or if they playing at the park and they're fucking about to die from heat stroke and it's like, oh shit, we got water? Like, that shit is impacting their lives.

• 1:35:51Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, I think it does.

• 1:35:51Mark Gagnon?

  In a way that they feel it immediately.

• 1:35:53Speaker 00

  I, I just don't think that like, that's most New Yorkers' concerns. Like, if you ask New Yorkers their list of concerns-

• 1:35:58Mark Gagnon?

  It's rent freeze, a lot of people are happy about it.

• 1:36:00Speaker 00

  Right, but again, now half of those people that you're talking about-

• 1:36:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:03Speaker 00

  -don't feel it. And they actually feel rent increase.

• 1:36:07Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:07Speaker 00

  So the act, the pain, you could argue, is the same. Because while these people have no pain, now these people are feeling the pain that those people felt and more.

• 1:36:18Mark Gagnon?

  But isn't it only people looking for apartments? Because if you're already in your apartment, you're not gonna have a rent increase. Like, you, you already signed your lease.

• 1:36:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you have a rent increase every year, according to your lease. Three to five percent.

• 1:36:30Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, if you sign a one year, but like, some, like, I sign two-year leases just because it's like, I like to lock my shit.

• 1:36:35Speaker 00

  And they can, and they can increase it up to three to five percent a year.

• 1:36:39Mark Gagnon?

  No, but not within the lease term.

• 1:36:41Speaker 00

  Within the lease agreement, yeah.

• 1:36:41Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, well, they've never done that to me. I thought like, once you're locked in, that's your price.

• 1:36:46Speaker 00

  No, you're locked in for an amount of time that you have that place. And then they can't increase your rent more than three to five percent. And then after that lease goes up, they can adjust it, or you can adjust it.

• 1:36:56Mark Gagnon?

  Got you, got you, got you.

• 1:36:57Speaker 02

  Okay. You're saying in rent control?

• 1:36:59Speaker 00

  No, and just in life. Like, if, if, if I sign a five-year lease at a place, like, that's the, the cost of the place, and then it can go up three percent a year or whatever it is.

• 1:37:08Mark Gagnon?

  Even inside the lease term, I didn't know that. I thought it was once the lease expires.

• 1:37:11Speaker 02

  Also, aren't private rentals within the private market allowed to go up? Is there a cap on private rental increases?

• 1:37:18Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:37:19Mark Gagnon?

  Oh.

• 1:37:19Speaker 00

  But like, if you have a lease, for example, like, if you have a lease that, actually, that's a good point. Like, maybe if you sign a lease for three years-

• 1:37:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:26Speaker 00

  It doesn't go up in that amount.

• 1:37:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:28Speaker 00

  And then, once it's in the free market, it can go up however much.

• 1:37:32Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, during this thing, the people who are most gonna be affected are people trying to move to New York or look for a new apartment right now. Those are gonna go up crazy. That aren't rent stabilized, affected by the-

• 1:37:45Speaker 00

  Or the people whose lease goes up in a year.

• 1:37:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:48Speaker 00

  And every year, some of these things goes-

• 1:37:49Mark Gagnon?

  But that's the thing. Politics is like, you can't help everybody. You just try to do the-

• 1:37:55Speaker 02

  He's trying to get housing built.

• 1:37:56Speaker 00

  I think that 22,000 people getting childcare is big. Like, nobody's really talking about that, like, that doesn't even come up in the conversation. Maybe I, I see that more because I have kids, but like, I see that and I go, whoa, that's, that, that changes somebody's life.

• 1:38:10Mark Gagnon?

  I haven't like, pulled it up, but he's doing a lot of shit. Like, it seems like-

• 1:38:14Speaker 00

  He's been masterful at, in terms of like, this, I, I think he's been masterful in terms of the, the game of politics.

• 1:38:21Mark Gagnon?

  He got us a championship.

• 1:38:22Speaker 00

  Say again?

• 1:38:23Mark Gagnon?

  He got us a championship.

• 1:38:24Speaker 00

  All right, let's chill out.

• 1:38:24Mark Gagnon?

  And we got him elected?

• 1:38:26Speaker 00

  Let's chill out.

• 1:38:26Mark Gagnon?

  So we got us a championship.

• 1:38:27Speaker 00

  Let's chill out.

• 1:38:28Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, no, you know, we got us a next championship. Because we got him elected.

• 1:38:32Speaker 00

  No, that's-

• 1:38:32Mark Gagnon?

  And he got us a next championship.

• 1:38:34Speaker 02

  I see what you're saying.

• 1:38:34Mark Gagnon?

  So, in a way.

• 1:38:36Speaker 02

  Flagrant.

• 1:38:37Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:37Speaker 02

  I mean, Zoran's at three percent right now to be the sexiest man of 2026.

• 1:38:41Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:38:42Speaker 03

  People's Magazine's Sexiest Man.

• 1:38:44Speaker 00

  What a pivot, but.

• 1:38:45Speaker 03

  Zo Ron's at 3%.

• 1:38:47Speaker 00

  Who's number one?

• 1:38:49Speaker 03

  Kelsey has Bad Bunny.

• 1:38:51Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:38:51Speaker 03

  At 28%.

• 1:38:52Speaker 00

  To be the sexiest?

• 1:38:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:38:55Speaker 00

  Wow, the first two are gay.

• 1:38:57Speaker 03

  Is this the guy from Heat and Rivalry?

• 1:38:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:38:59Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:39:00Speaker 03

  Wait, Bad Bunny?

• 1:39:00Speaker 00

  Bad Bunny's not gay.

• 1:39:02Mark Gagnon?

  Bad Bunny is not gay.

• 1:39:04Speaker 00

  I thought that was his thing where he was like, I don't know if I like a guy now, but maybe I will in the future. He's more fluid. He's more open.

• 1:39:10Mark Gagnon?

  No, he never said that at all. He just talked about the way he dresses and he does a little bit. He used to do a little bit of that print shit where it's like.

• 1:39:16Speaker 00

  He literally said, I don't know if I'll like a guy in the future. Right now, I'm into girls.

• 1:39:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yo.

• 1:39:23Speaker 03

  He has stated in interviews, he identifies as heterosexual.

• 1:39:25Mark Gagnon?

  You didn't understand.

• 1:39:26Speaker 03

  But although he has also expressed a fluid and open perspective on sexuality, not noting that labels don't define an entire person.

• 1:39:33Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm never gonna like cilantro.

• 1:39:38Speaker 00

  There'll never be a time in the future where I'm gonna like it. Just telling you.

• 1:39:41Speaker 03

  You also gotta think, like, from a Puerto Rican, to say that?

• 1:39:44Speaker 00

  That's big.

• 1:39:45Speaker 03

  That's pretty good.

• 1:39:46Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, he's also the highest selling fucking artist, so you gotta be inclusive. Everybody, yo, gays pop up at the coster, yo.

• 1:39:54Speaker 03

  That's a good point.

• 1:39:54Mark Gagnon?

  I might like you one day.

• 1:39:55Speaker 00

  Matt Damon, number three.

• 1:39:57Speaker 03

  Shout out, Matt Damon's 55 in third place.

• 1:40:00Speaker 00

  Number three.

• 1:40:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:40:01Speaker 03

  After seeing Talented Mr. Ripley, I think we gotta bump his numbers up.

• 1:40:04Speaker 00

  He's a beast.

• 1:40:05Speaker 03

  He's a cutie in that movie.

• 1:40:06Speaker 00

  He's a beast. Okay.

• 1:40:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:09Speaker 00

  He's a beast.

• 1:40:10Speaker 03

  Also, I didn't realize that movie has so many gay undertones.

• 1:40:13Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:40:14Speaker 03

  David put it on for me. He's like, bro, this movie is like so us. And then all of a sudden, he's like gay for him. And I was like, wait, what? What, what do you mean? He's like, I didn't realize how gay this movie was, anyway. Just keep watching. And then we just both watched it alone, sitting there. I was like, what? There's like a scene where like, he's watching him have sex with a girl and he's all jealous. And I was like, does this remind you of us? And he's like, no, no, not this part, no. More like the chess part.

• 1:40:36Mark Gagnon?

  David got a little of that Bad Bunny in him.

• 1:40:39Speaker 03

  He's got a lot of that.

• 1:40:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, he got a little bit of that Bad Bunny in him, like.

• 1:40:42Speaker 03

  He's a bad bunny, dude.

• 1:40:43Speaker 00

  You know, maybe he's down the line, he might.

• 1:40:45Speaker 03

  He might switch it up?

• 1:40:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:48Speaker 03

  Damn. Yeah, did you see the, the Candace debate?

• 1:40:51Speaker 00

  I've just seen clips from it, dude.

• 1:40:52Speaker 03

  It's just insane. These debates are exhausting.

• 1:40:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:56Speaker 03

  Did you watch it?

• 1:40:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I watched this shit.

• 1:40:58Speaker 03

  The whole thing?

• 1:40:58Mark Gagnon?

  That shit was fire, bro.

• 1:41:00Speaker 03

  I'm shocked by this.

• 1:41:01Mark Gagnon?

  I was at a beach, just chilling, watching that shit.

• 1:41:04Speaker 00

  So, set it up. So, Patrick Bet David.

• 1:41:06Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, he's the moderator.

• 1:41:07Speaker 00

  Moderates a debate between Candace Owens and Andrew Wilson.

• 1:41:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:12Speaker 00

  And Candace is saying, I guess her position is that Tyler Robinson was not the person that murdered Charlie Kirk.

• 1:41:20Speaker 03

  Right, and that it's possibly that Israel's involved.

• 1:41:23Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:41:23Speaker 03

  It was like her position.

• 1:41:24Speaker 00

  And then Andrew Wilson's position is that Tyler Robinson is most likely the person that killed Ken, uh, sorry, uh, Charlie Kirk.

• 1:41:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that Israel's not involved.

• 1:41:35Speaker 00

  And then he paid her $300,000 to debate.

• 1:41:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:39Speaker 03

  Nuts. Nuts.

• 1:41:41Speaker 00

  For what? Is he part of TPUSA? Like, what does he get out of this?

• 1:41:45Speaker 03

  I think just clout.

• 1:41:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:47Speaker 03

  I think that's it, right?

• 1:41:48Mark Gagnon?

  So, uh, she was like, TPUSA brought him in to do like, um, debate training for their staff. And boy, was that some wasted money right there.

• 1:41:59Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:42:00Mark Gagnon?

  He, everybody online is saying he got destroyed. He got cooked.

• 1:42:03Speaker 00

  So, here's the thing that I don't understand about this. Like, there is no convincing people online anymore. You could have a one-on-one conversation with somebody and maybe, you know, see the world through their eyes and maybe it changes a little bit how you feel about something. But we no longer live in a time where like, you watch an interview about something that you already feel strongly a certain way about, and then you change your opinion.

• 1:42:28Speaker 03

  A debate or an interview?

• 1:42:30Speaker 00

  Anything.

• 1:42:31Mark Gagnon?

  Debate?

• 1:42:32Speaker 00

  Talking, I don't know. I, if you feel strong, all of Candace's fans, it's the Rorschach test. It's like, you see whatever you felt. If you are a Candace supporter and you believe what she is talking and you've consumed hundreds of hours of her talking about this case, I'm sure she absolutely destroyed Andrew Wilson. If you're someone who believes that Tyler Robinson was most likely the person that killed it, I'm sorry, I'm sure you believe Candace. If you, somebody that believes that Tyler Robinson is the person that killed Charlie Kirk and you watch the debate, I'm sure you think that Candace had no evidence to support her claims and that Andrew Wilson is 100% right.

• 1:43:02Mark Gagnon?

  And so, a little bit of what I've seen online is, because the majority of people think Tyler Robinson did it. But because Andrew did such a bad job in this debate, they're like questioning it. So, they still think he had something to do with it, but now they're just questioning like, huh, is there something up? Because there's just so many things that Candace brought up where it's just like, this does look weird.

• 1:43:25Speaker 03

  Sewing it up.

• 1:43:25Mark Gagnon?

  Like, why would you pave over the crime scene like, the day after? Like, why would your fucking, that camera, the, the police camera, whatever, just like, the battery dies right when he's about to go on the roof and see where the guy shot from? It's just like, a lot of shit isn't checking out. And I'm like, alright, I still think Tyler Robbins did it, but I'm like, seems like something else is up.

• 1:43:50Speaker 00

  So, but, but here's a perfect example. It's like, you still think Tyler Robbins did it?

• 1:43:53Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, but now I'm like, open to like, hey, maybe there's something else going on where there was no doubt in my head before.

• 1:44:00Speaker 00

  Now, what I would ask you, this is like, were you a person that followed this closely and, and you knew a lot about it? So, you're the perfect person that can get caught up in this because you and me and Mark don't really know, I, I, maybe you know more, but we don't really know anything about the case. So, we're walking it without a confirmed opinion about it. And now we're just hearing the information so we can be swayed. What I'm saying is, if you are someone who believes a certain position and you see stuff online, it's either to validate your position, or it's either to,

• 1:44:29Speaker 00

  you know, confirm that the other, the opposition is bullshit. That's all. Like, I, it's really, something I've been thinking about a lot, it's like a real bummer. I thought we had like a nice, like, four, five-year window where we were willing to like, consume information that we might not agree with and learn different perspectives. And then, I don't know, what switched? Something happened where the, the, the entire internet had just become a thousand different realities and you just live within your reality.

• 1:44:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:55Speaker 03

  And that's my issue with debates in general. Debates are kinda gay.

• 1:44:58Speaker 00

  But there was a moment where I felt like it was useful and like, society got utility. We got all this new information and like, information was democratized for the first time in like, our life. We're reading fucking textbooks in the New York Times and that just was the truth. And then all of a sudden, there was like, a little truth outside of those narratives. And then it was really intriguing. You're like, wait, that's not actually how history transpired? And this is what really happened in, you know, the Civil War and this is what really happened and, you know, World War I, whatever the fuck it was? And now I feel like there's, I, I don't know what the actual catalyst is, but now I feel like there's so much information and there's so many different conspiracy theories, whatever it is, that you can kinda just live in your reality and you don't need facts to back it up. You just need doubt. So, like, doubt is currency right now.

• 1:45:40Speaker 00

  So, there's no like, hey, Tyler Robinson definitely didn't do it, but it's like, but maybe? And now the entire internet is just, but maybe, so you get to live in that little cocoon.

• 1:45:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:50Speaker 00

  Of, but maybe?

• 1:45:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:45:53Speaker 00

  What is that? What happened? Is it too much information?

• 1:45:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think too much information and too many competing perspectives that can all exist simultaneously and so people just get silenced in their own thing.

• 1:46:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:04Speaker 03

  But then my issue with the debate is like, I forgot who said this, but I think it's a good point. But it's like, the person that wins the debate is just whoever has the more viral clips.

• 1:46:11Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:46:12Speaker 03

  I saw it online, so I forgot who had that take, but it's like, completely true. Like, you see a Candace clip that's got 10 million views where she's like dunking on him?

• 1:46:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:20Speaker 03

  And you're like, oh man, I guess she won.

• 1:46:21Speaker 00

  But.

• 1:46:21Speaker 03

  And I don't see his, his point where she dunked on her.

• 1:46:24Speaker 00

  Clips, we don't watch the long-form thing. We just see the clips, and if you see more clips that are pushing a certain perspective, we also, the clip of Candace asking Andrew if he knew what Tyler was charged with.

• 1:46:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 1:46:34Speaker 00

  And he couldn't name any of the charges.

• 1:46:35Speaker 03

  That's the only clip I saw.

• 1:46:36Speaker 00

  That's the only clip everybody saw, so it looks like he wasn't prepared for even his position in the debate. And it looks like she wins. You watched the whole thing.

• 1:46:44Mark Gagnon?

  I watched the whole thing. I'm not a fan of either of them. And I'm like, oh no, Candace definitely got the best of him in this debate, not just that one thing. But it's like, a debate, I look at it, it's like, um, uh, verbal chess. It's just like, hey, who can put their words together in a way that can win this sparring match? Like, I don't even really care about what they're debating. It's just like, how can you, uh, prove your position?

• 1:47:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, if you look at it from that perspective, then there's value.

• 1:47:11Mark Gagnon?

  So, I just think, I think she bodied him.

• 1:47:13Speaker 00

  Yo, you know what? I think you made a good point. Debates are fucking pointless.

• 1:47:20Speaker 00

  Not that they're pointless, obviously there's value in them, but like even the people debating are not willing to submit to a better idea.

• 1:47:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:30Speaker 00

  And if they're not willing to submit to a better idea, then how can we expect their supporters to do it?

• 1:47:36Speaker 03

  Exactly. If there's like a closed debate in a perfect setting where it's like, hey, we're here to debate this topic and it's for a fixed audience, then maybe there's some value.

• 1:47:43Speaker 00

  That works.

• 1:47:44Speaker 03

  But like an open table debate on the internet stage, I'm like.

• 1:47:48Speaker 00

  You might as well be debating Christianity and Islam. Neither person is gonna give an inch there.

• 1:47:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:54Speaker 00

  Right?

• 1:47:54Mark Gagnon?

  It was some conceding.

• 1:47:56Speaker 00

  No, no, I'm not saying there wasn't conceding. I'm just saying like philosophically as we talk about it, it's like, because based on your identity, especially if the thing that you're debating is something that you built your identity around, you can't give in because then you lose your identity. So then what often happens in these debates is it becomes a humiliation ritual. Instead of debating the ideas, I just have to make you look stupid and humiliate you.

• 1:48:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:23Speaker 00

  So that anybody who follows you feels shame in following you.

• 1:48:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yes. Okay.

• 1:48:28Speaker 03

  And to that chess metaphor, it's like, oh, you actually misspoke when you said this. You weren't really precise in your language. So technically, I'm right and you're wrong based off this like linguistic technicality. So I bested you in the technique of debate.

• 1:48:41Speaker 00

  Instead of the ideas which were actually trying to.

• 1:48:43Speaker 03

  But it doesn't get as closer to like what is like capital T.

• 1:48:46Speaker 00

  Doesn't get as close to truth.

• 1:48:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yes. I think we all agree on that. Like, I don't think anybody's tuning into debates for the ideas or to be like swayed in a different direction.

• 1:48:54Speaker 00

  But that would be the, I don't know, like.

• 1:48:56Mark Gagnon?

  I look at it like sport. Like that shit is entertainment.

• 1:48:59Speaker 00

  Oh, but I mean, that's an interesting way to look at it for sure. But like, there is a part of me that goes, oh, it'd be nice to have some, some form of monoculture, like some accepted reality that we all live in. And we, not only do we live in like different realities, we live in insanely different realities.

• 1:49:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 1:49:17Speaker 00

  The predominant conversation online is, is this a genocide or is it not? Do you know how far those things are? Do you know what I mean? Like, this is, this is, that's a far distance.

• 1:49:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:34Speaker 00

  Right? And people can't even agree. They're not like, well, maybe it's clothed. We're not right here. We're like, so that means people are seeing the same thing in two completely different realities. And that's everything.

• 1:49:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:48Speaker 00

  So you just start to get, and maybe this is like by design, by the fucking tech overlords or whatever the fuck it is, but it's just like, is you just, is there just an exhaustion that ends up happening with that?

• 1:49:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:50:00Speaker 00

  And is that the goal?

• 1:50:02Speaker 03

  I don't know if it's the goal. I think it's the inevitable outcome based off the incentives of the marketplace.

• 1:50:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:50:06Speaker 03

  But I, like, an ideal thing for me is like a one hour conversation with one perspective with a person that's interlocuting, that's actually asking good questions, offering like some substantial pushback, but letting me with the point out, and then another hour with the other side.

• 1:50:21Speaker 00

  I mean, that's the best way for you to formulate your own, not you, but all of us to formulate our own opinions, but like there would be a really nice, like there was a time where like, I feel like, there was a time when I was growing up where like, probably the New York Times is just like the gold standard for this is what happened. Right? And they've done tons to fuck that up and that's, that's fair. But it would be nice if there was, and we don't have to use the word moderate, but it would be nice if there was like a place where there was like consensus on this is more or less what happened. And then there was like some editorialized, this is the perspective of people on the right. This is the perspective of people on the left.

• 1:51:02Speaker 03

  This is why I like Breaking Points.

• 1:51:03Speaker 00

  Breaking Points has that.

• 1:51:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I truly watch Breaking Points a lot because of this exactly.

• 1:51:07Speaker 00

  It'll give you multiple perspectives.

• 1:51:09Speaker 03

  Like you, like they're sort of interfacing with each other, bringing up their point. And if there's something completely out of line, they're kind of pulling each other back in.

• 1:51:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:51:15Speaker 03

  And then you generally get the sides plus sort of the middle.

• 1:51:19Speaker 00

  And I think that's a brilliant, like, and like, what's that with all information? You know, like, what, like, it's amazing that Breaking Points has done that. And they've done it so well and that nobody else is even trying. And to me, what that says is like, maybe they're trying, but not like major news outlets. Do you know what I mean? Like, to me, the legacy media, and again, maybe you just can't cut through unless you're more sensationalized.

• 1:51:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like you're incentivized to.

• 1:51:48Speaker 00

  To be more radical.

• 1:51:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:49Speaker 00

  Even though when you speak to people on an everyday level, they're not radical.

• 1:51:53Speaker 03

  It's also, it's the financial incentive. Like Breaking Points is paid for by their listeners.

• 1:51:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:51:57Speaker 03

  So they're able to feed exactly what that listener base is, which is, you know, moderate to like, you know, a few categories on either side.

• 1:52:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:52:06Speaker 03

  Whereas like a CNN or a Fox or any of these other legacy outlets, they're all getting paid by companies to advertise to a specific demographic and they have to appease that demographic.

• 1:52:15Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:52:16Speaker 03

  And so like, if they're like, hey, we're hitting like liberal women in their 60s, like we're not going to float the counter argument to this point. We just need to continue to feed that audience so that they continue to show up so we can keep on selling ads to these advertisers. So if you're funded on an independent level, I think you're able to stay a little bit more like heterodox in your politics. Whereas if you're just funded by the same companies trying to hit the same demo, it's like, yeah, it's the capitalist incentive inside of it that then I think silos the political discourse.

• 1:52:44Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 1:52:45Speaker 03

  Which is the way it is.

• 1:52:47Speaker 00

  Such a shame.

• 1:52:48Speaker 03

  I mean. Yeah. But it's also just the incentive structure. I mean, you go like state funded media and then that's a different problem.

• 1:52:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:52:56Speaker 03

  It solves one thing, causes another.

• 1:52:57Mark Gagnon?

  Cause before the internet, the cult leaders were the people people would follow and you can convince anybody to do whatever. And now they're, the YouTube, it's the, like, the YouTube people, like the Candaces and this guy, it's like, they have cult-like following.

• 1:53:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:15Mark Gagnon?

  Candace has found a way to blame Israel for everything. And her people believe it. It is crazy.

• 1:53:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:23Mark Gagnon?

  And it's like, if you can do that with anything, if you can make this the boogeyman for any single thing that's happening, it's like, you could just make a group of people just do whatever the fuck you want. And that shit is scary. And it's happening.

• 1:53:37Speaker 00

  It's, yeah, it's scary, but it, but it's also like, where do we get some consensus? Do you know, like, where do we, I do miss monoculture. Maybe it's selfishly because I like just conversing with people and I found more and more that like, when I'm talking to somebody, I might bring up something that's like hitting my algorithm and that person is like, I have no clue what you're talking about. I'm like, how do you not know? Like, it literally needs to be Spider-Man.

• 1:53:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:54:01Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? Like, there's like a few topics where maybe it will cross over and to pop into everybody's bucket.

• 1:54:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54:09Speaker 00

  But increasingly less.

• 1:54:12Speaker 03

  I do think it exists on like a micro scale. Like I think about like me, my immediate friend group and like, maybe the people on the periphery of that will kind of be talking about the same shit.

• 1:54:21Mark Gagnon?

  But then that's your bubble.

• 1:54:22Speaker 00

  But that's a bubble. What's cool is being able to cross out of the bubble and you get different perspectives on this issue that you might not understand. But now we're so siloed that like, you go out of your bubble, they might not even know the news story you're bringing up.

• 1:54:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54:36Speaker 00

  They might not even know like the trending video. It might not even be political shit, just like a funny trending video that, yeah, I didn't get that at all.

• 1:54:42Mark Gagnon?

  Like me, I kinda, I don't mind that because like, I like it when you're excited about something you saw in your algorithm. I'm like,

• 1:54:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:54:49Mark Gagnon?

  I've never heard of this. And now you just like showing me some new shit. Like what if we all saw the same shit already? It's like, it's like, yeah, we can vibe and be like, oh shit, you saw that? Yeah, I saw it too.

• 1:54:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, Memphis Fool Party.

• 1:55:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:55:00Speaker 03

  You just learned about the Memphis Fool.

• 1:55:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:55:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I get to bring in something to you, IRL.

• 1:55:04Speaker 00

  Of course, learning different things is good, but having like a consensus of like 10 topics that we're all on the same page with is also really nice. Because it's, it's a social lubricator. You go meet somebody and it's like, you want to talk about things that you both at least have perspective on. You might not agree on it.

• 1:55:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:21Speaker 00

  But you want to talk about things you have perspective on.

• 1:55:23Speaker 03

  The World Cup was nice for that.

• 1:55:24Speaker 00

  The World Cup, like, there are these like synergistic moments that feel good and everybody's like, why does everything feel so good? It's like, oh, well, maybe because we're all focusing on the same fucking thing. It's not the positivity around the World Cup. It's walking up to a stranger and knowing that within 10 seconds, you'll have a strong opinion about something that you're also feeling or talking about. And just not just walking into that fucking, uh, just like endless abyss where you have no clue. You start a conversation, you're like, like when you get into an Uber or something, you're starting a conversation with the guy. It's like, where is he from?

• 1:55:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:55Speaker 00

  Because you know he'll be able to talk about that and you might have some curiosity about it. During the World Cup, it was, you watching? Who you got in this game? Like immediate connectivity with people. And at a time where everybody complains about loneliness and like lack of togetherness, et cetera. It's nice to have these like 10 pole events that ideally are not like political exhaustion that people are just fucking like squeezing. But like these things that we can all kind of talk about, have opinions on, talk some shit about.

• 1:56:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:21Speaker 00

  Do you know what I mean? It's like, it's like what people have romanticized about like the barber shop or the pub in England or whatever, like communal watering hole where you come in, it's like, okay, this happens, what's the opinion on it? LeBron's going here. What's the take on it?

• 1:56:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:38Speaker 00

  It's nice to walk into a group of people and just say that. And I feel like there's less and less of that because people are just divided.

• 1:56:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. I don't feel like I ever grew up in that though. I don't, I don't, I don't think so. I don't feel like I ever existed.

• 1:56:49Mark Gagnon?

  I have, and I can feel that it's different.

• 1:56:51Speaker 00

  Right? Like even, even like within close friend groups, like even in the group chat, someone will throw something out and somebody will be like, wait, what's going on here? Like there's this thing right now with the Lakers being resold.

• 1:57:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:02Speaker 00

  You saw that, right? This is a fucking insane story. Guy buys the Lakers for like eight billion, 10 months later, I think sells it for 12 or something like, or 10 billion sells it for 12. It's barely making the news. Hmm. This is a big sports story. A NBA franchise, the most arguably the most storied NBA franchise in history is sold again in 10 months. And there's some like shady financial shit around it. Yeah. And a Kushner's buying it. Yeah. And nobody's fucking talking about it. I didn't even know there was shady shit going on. I thought I thought he just caught a lick. Well, here's the thing. The surface level is there's shady shit going on. And my buddy was trying to explain the financials of it, but like almost kind of like Ponzi scheme-esque.

• 1:57:45Speaker 00

  So basically like, he was taking investor money to

• 1:57:51Speaker 00

  buy certain thing. I'm going to butcher the whole thing. I'm just not smart enough to know what the fuck it is, but like taking investor money to buy certain things. But the certain things that he was buying, he also owned those properties. So not exact properties in terms of, uh, I'm not even a bother trying to explain it because I don't know well enough. And I would, somebody's trying to explain it to me, but there was like some like almost pseudo Ponzi scheme thing going on. Using investor money to buy his own businesses, basically. I don't know if that's exactly what it was, but there was some stuff where like the feds might be hunkering down. And I heard one version of that. Then I heard another version of like, it might not even be that. So some people were saying he's got to sell it because he's got debts that he has to pay. But then I'm hearing another version of like, he had a stroke that nobody really talked about. And he might not be able to

• 1:58:32Speaker 00

  hold down all these companies that he has because in order to do business that big, you need somebody who's strong leader. So he might be kind of liquidating because he can't hold on to it anymore. But like And already. There's no, like, if I walked up to someone in the street and be like, yo, you're the Lakers sold? They'd be like, oh, really? Yeah. What the fuck is going on? But you think 20 years ago, people would all be like, dude, the Lakers. Yeah. Really? Yeah. It's hard for me to even imagine. Yeah. 20 years ago, I could walk into any place in New York and there would be at least five topics I could talk about and every single one of us would be on it.

• 1:59:06Speaker 00

  But it's just Outside of New York, you can't even talk about the potholes. Yeah. You mean like, and that sounds like it wouldn't be a big deal, but like literally, what do you talk about? You go, you meet a stranger in Idaho. What do you talk to them about?

• 1:59:19Speaker 00

  I mean, I would talk to them about what's going on in Idaho. Yeah, exactly. You're going to meet them there. Yeah. But there was a time where you could just be like, hey, man, like the World Cup when that was happening or the fucking Super Bowl or these events. So there's a big movie coming. The great thing about Sopranos or the great thing about any great Sunday show on HBO, it was like a group collective experience. Like you saw Jordan go off, like everybody saw Jordan go off, like for some reason, or you saw the Mike Tyson fight. Oh, yeah. Mike was one that everybody watched. Interesting. It was just those are, those are It's great. And like now, the only time it happens is like super fucking polarized political shit. And then you're going into the convo like, uh-oh, what am I going about to walk into right here? Interesting.

• 2:00:02Speaker 00

  It was that was, I think, one of the nice things about sports and maybe now we're in this time before football season. This is when it always feels the most hopeless. Like football can bring us together. Yeah. But yeah, I'm like, what is the, like this, these, like, I'm looking at some of the topics that we have here and it's just like,

• 2:00:25Speaker 00

  of the kids charged running a cocaine ring. Fire. Like the fact that this is a news story when literally every single school this is happening. There's not, uh, every school.

• 2:00:38Speaker 00

  Well, I think they were doing it on like a, like a Yeah, I think there's was a pretty high. They were doing a high up and it was like well organized. The pledge labor to make it happen. I didn't know anybody like this, man.

• 2:00:49Speaker 00

  Anybody like this in college. Using pledges to make cocaine? I didn't know anybody like this in college, man. Wish I thought of that. I'll tell you that. We didn't know any fraternities that were known for having the molly parties. We didn't know any of those. Well, who the fuck is putting the drugs out then? Well, if someone is selling it to a guy that knows another guy that then sells it to the guy in the fraternity, then he dishes it to everyone. Right. But these guys are making it.

• 2:01:14Speaker 00

  What school is this? That's a good school. Penn State. Penn State is a good school.

• 2:01:19Speaker 00

  You know, you go into some community college, you're not going to have this type of ingenuity.

• 2:01:25Speaker 00

  Do you feel like this destroys their career prospects? I feel like there's some guy at a hedge fund that's like, hey, kid, I'll bring you in. Oh, they're gonna be all right. Cocaine cowboys. You're like, bring them to Wall Street.

• 2:01:37Speaker 00

  I feel like they might be okay. A Penn State grad with a Bill Gates's kid doing this fucking thing. Friend of the show. Friend of the show. Yeah. Phoebe Gates. Yeah. You know? Hey. So like this is like, I read a little bit about it. Like there are people who I guess did similar things to this. They're like, did real jail time. Yeah. This is a huge story. Nobody knows. You walk somewhere in the street, be like, yo, you're a Bill Gates kid, probably going to go to jail. They'd be like, huh? Bill Gates got a kid? Yeah. Like, you know, It was like, uh, damn, what was that? CRISPR? Not CRISPR, where that silicon lady did. Yes, yes, yes. I know what you're talking about. Is her name Emily, uh? Emma Holmes?

• 2:02:20Speaker 00

  Emma, Amelia, no, Amelia Holmes is the Sherlock Holmes chick. But yeah, something Holmes. I didn't get it right about that. But yeah, I know what I'm talking about. And like, that was a big story. Everybody's like, oh, that was so bad. She gotta go. Like she actually went to jail. She's going to get away with this shit. Yeah, she better get away with it. And it's like, Yeah, she's not going to jail. There's no way. Yeah. It just is an interesting thing. It's like, well, why is the discourse so radical? It's like, well, the only way to capture, you, you can't capture everyone's attention anymore because not everybody is operating on the same wavelength. So what you can do is capture the extremes' attention because all the extreme people in every little bucket are operating on the same wavelength and you know where they are.

• 2:03:03Speaker 00

  You don't know where like the moderates are because you don't even know what the moderates care about. Yeah. You don't even know if the moderates know about the Lakers thing. You don't, you don't know. So it's impossible to like curate a show around more moderate beliefs because the moderate beliefs are so segregated into a thousand different buckets. So the extremes will, will win and they'll thrive. Yeah. And you can kind of be like a minstrel for the extreme, whatever that extreme position is. Candace debate went crazy. Of course. It's incredibly true. Like, did this, are, is there a cover up for one of the most famous people in America getting shot and killed? Like that's a fuck. And they navigate in the extremes. Yes. Online extremes. Yeah. And the moderate person didn't even know that debate happened. Yeah, I know. If you ask regular people in the street, like if that debate happened, they didn't even know it happened. Yeah. So it's an interesting time. Yeah.

• 2:03:47Speaker 00

  Where it's like, how do you corral? Cause most of the people I speak to are not on the extremes. All walks of life, pretty moderate. Fun, wild takes. Yeah. I love a strong opinion, but not that extreme. It's like, Yeah. So it's like, but how do you corral all them if they're not even operating on the same knowledge base? Yeah, you can't really. So it's almost like the discourse is forced to the extreme and it gets even more. And we've watched certain people that are like in the space, like become more extreme. Yeah. And it's like, That's, that's why I'm worried about YouTube doing, uh, this new view count thing. Yeah. Because there, people are going to want to pump their view numbers. And if now the view count is just from when you click the first frame of the video.

• 2:04:31Speaker 00

  You're going to make it the most insane thing ever. So you try to like clickbait everyone. Whereas before, like the clickbait wouldn't work as well because you'd click and then If they clicked off, it didn't count. Yeah. So now I think it's going to make more clip it. We're going to open every pod with a picture of someone very beautiful in a bikini, just sort of. Bro, this is what the fucking sun did in, uh, England. Oh, yeah. Didn't they have like a naked woman on page three or something like that? They had like a page six, not six. I'm mixing it up. But yeah, they did. That's so funny. All right, we're doing that next. Whenever that goes for you, we're going to do one episode or we start with a woman. Oh, Miles, bring them tits out. Yeah. But like, it, it is an interesting thing where like, given the nature of where people are organized,

• 2:05:15Speaker 00

  the way to, you can't corral the big middle because not all of them are on the same knowledge base. Right? And they don't even all have the same kind of identity. Moderate people don't go, I'm moderate. Like they don't walk around there as their identity. The people who are screaming their identity exists on the extremes. Yeah. So you just kind of curate content just for them. And then you have to be more extreme in order to satisfy them. In the same way that you said, like, you know, CNN has to get women aged 35 to 50. So they have to position arguments that will be, you know, palatable to them.

• 2:05:51Speaker 00

  So there's no reason for me to think that why it wouldn't go more and more extreme. Yeah. In an effort to like maintain that audience because someone more extreme than you is going to come along. Yeah. And they're going to start eating away at your views. Then you're going to feel like you gotta go more extreme. Yeah. So really, Yeah. So what are you doing that fucking? How do we speak to these normal people that nobody's speaking to? Those are the most fun people. I'm trying to figure that out there. I don't know. But no, I mean that sincerely. It's like, like, I feel like we went from a time where like it was, it was six years ago where like the mainstream conversation was abnormal. And maybe even longer than that, 10 years ago.

• 2:06:29Speaker 00

  And it was just so abnormal and so performative and so odd that us just speaking flagrantly, but like just about kind of normal opinions that everybody had was cathartic. Now I feel like shit has just gotten so insane. Yeah. Yeah. That there's this massive void right here. That the majority is in that void. And the only thing that pulls them in is Odyssey. Spider-Man, the World Cup. And like for a moment, all the normals get to come out and have their opinion. And then there are these like fun celebs that pop up in these moments. Like we start following Erlin Holland's Instagram, Twitter account or whatever the fuck it is. And you're like, oh yeah, this is like a fun guy having normal fun. He's not doing anything insane. He's not doing anything crazy, extreme.

• 2:07:14Speaker 00

  Nothing radical. It's just fun. World Cup goes away and now all these people are like, oh, what am I supposed to focus on now? Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:07:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't know. I wonder Am I being reductive of the I get it. I just, I don't know what the solution is to pull in like all the, the moderate and normal human beings. I'm assuming it's just like staying the course and not capitulating to the financial incentive of like, oh, I'm going to get all the radical people on either side. Which I feel like, I mean, yeah, I feel like that's something that at least we've been, I think, consistent at. It's like there, it's, it's very easy to go over there and just make that your whole identity. Yes, maybe getting into politics was a fucking great move.

• 2:07:56Speaker 00

  It was a brilliant move. That worked out perfectly. Yeah, exactly. We got the bottles. Yeah, oil's fucking twenty dollars a gallon. We got the bottles. We're part of it all. But yes, yes, but like in terms of like the, I don't even find it seductive. I think once it gets that insane.

• 2:08:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:08:18Speaker 00

  And this is not to say that these people don't believe it. That's another thing. Like, I think that a lot of these guys do believe it. I don't think that they're lying every single day. I think there might be people that do. But like, I think if you sat down with Candace, she, I don't think she's going, yeah, I'm just making us all up. I think she genuinely

• 2:08:34Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:08:34Speaker 00

  believes it.

• 2:08:36Speaker 03

  But then again, I don't know with those. I just don't.

• 2:08:38Speaker 00

  I think there are people that don't, and they're just saying it because that's the thing to say. One hundred percent. And then I think there are people that like, they genuinely believe it. And honestly, the people genuinely believe it, even if we think it's crazy, they'll succeed in their space because someone who believes it will beat a person who's lying every single time.

• 2:08:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:08:54Speaker 00

  But I don't know. When I'm having everyday conversations with people, I'm talking, I meet you for five minutes just at a coffee shop. Naturally, your most extreme view is not going to come out. But I don't know what is, I don't know what they're all tapping into and consuming.

• 2:09:10Speaker 03

  I think if you want to live in the middle, though, and like live with normal people, I think making great shit will still work.

• 2:09:16Speaker 00

  So I think art cuts through.

• 2:09:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:19Speaker 00

  That's the thing. I only think debate cuts through. I think art does.

• 2:09:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:23Speaker 00

  And art could be documentary, you know, art could be film, TV, whatever.

• 2:09:27Speaker 03

  And maybe it doesn't dominate the national headlines, but it does good enough.

• 2:09:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:09:31Speaker 03

  It's fine.

• 2:09:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:09:32Speaker 03

  Right? Like any Apple TV show, any, anything like that where it's like, oh, yeah, a lot of people watched it. It was successful.

• 2:09:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:09:37Speaker 03

  But it's not gonna be like the way it was. Where one show is dominating the whole nation.

• 2:09:44Speaker 00

  It really isn't.

• 2:09:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:45Speaker 00

  Like even coming in today, like I sat down this morning, I was, you guys watching Widows Bay?

• 2:09:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:49Speaker 00

  And I'd never heard of, but there's an actress on the movie I'm doing, Ray Sehorn, fucking amazing. She's, she was in Better Call Saul and Pluribus. I don't know if you guys watch, you watch Pluribus. She's fucking brilliant. But yeah, she was like, yeah, I'm watching this Widows Bay show. I didn't even know this fucking show existed. Randomly, I start watching, like, this is a fucking great show. And I came in, you got, some of you guys kind of heard about it, one of you guys saw it.

• 2:10:13Speaker 00

  There was a time that there was a hot show that came out once a week.

• 2:10:17Speaker 03

  Everybody would know.

• 2:10:18Speaker 00

  And you either watched it or you knew about it and chose not to watch it. You know what I mean?

• 2:10:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, just too much. We got too many options, man.

• 2:10:26Speaker 00

  Is that it? Is it? Is that like, is that also like the dating complaint? I hear a lot of like people complaining about dating now. And has it been like Netflixified? And so many options, but you can't make the choice?

• 2:10:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, because you can go on an app and just see, especially in New York, especially in New York, and social media, like you can see the most beautiful woman is like in the area, the most beautiful man, or whatever that might be. And then you also can just swipe through a hundred people in a day, where it used to be a hundred people was a lot of people to like make a judgment on. You know what I mean?

• 2:11:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, there was like, you know, you grew up in like a town. Now, it was probably a little different for us, growing up in New York, because there's all these people around, so we're maybe used to seeing more people. But like, you had the girls in your grade, you had the girls in the school that was a few blocks away in your grade. It's kind of what you had to choose.

• 2:11:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, the hottest girl in your high school when I was growing up was like, there's four high schools and you knew each of the hot girls or the hottest guy or whatever that was.

• 2:11:30Speaker 00

  And the scarcity gave you gratitude. Right? Like, when shit is scarce and you get something, you're grateful for it. You're like, I don't want to lose this.

• 2:11:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:11:38Speaker 00

  But I feel like that's flipped.

• 2:11:40Speaker 03

  Now, everybody has a roster and it's like.

• 2:11:42Speaker 00

  The abundance has created a lack of gratitude. You're not going, yo, I got this girl and she's fine. You're going, oh, but there might be a finer one out there.

• 2:11:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, if you swipe ten times, you'll find it.

• 2:11:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot of guys, I think, are constantly thinking like, oh, there might be one more out there. Like, this might be, this is eighty percent.

• 2:12:02Speaker 03

  Women are doing the exact same thing. Women are doing the exact same thing.

• 2:12:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm only saying because I talk to my guy buddies about dating.

• 2:12:07Speaker 00

  You ever notice that like the kids that are like from like really wealthy families, like they always take forever to settle down and that sometimes they don't or they're in it. They're not getting married at twenty-two. You know what I mean? Some fucking Vanderbilt or some shit like that. Like, didn't I, they, and I wonder if we're all, not us, we're happily married, but like this younger generation is all living the lives of a billionaire's kid.

• 2:12:32Speaker 03

  Just in terms of options and access?

• 2:12:34Speaker 00

  Hundreds of different girls that are potentially available. They're not actually available and you're alone, but the idea that they are.

• 2:12:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:12:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, makes you paralyzed.

• 2:12:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:12:43Speaker 02

  It's called analysis paralysis.

• 2:12:45Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:12:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:12:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:12:46Speaker 03

  But everything's being sold to everyone at all times.

• 2:12:49Speaker 00

  Go on that.

• 2:12:49Speaker 03

  Like, just all, all content is being sold to everyone at all times. Like, all women or men that are on these dating apps is available to everyone at all times. Whereas before, like, maybe it was like regionalized, like.

• 2:13:01Speaker 00

  Also, you gotta go out on a weekend to meet somebody.

• 2:13:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:13:04Speaker 00

  There was a time where like, if you didn't leave the house, go to a bar, hope that there were girls at the bar that night. Hope that you had the courage to talk to a few of them.

• 2:13:16Speaker 02

  And they're single.

• 2:13:17Speaker 00

  And they're single. You weren't meeting nobody. You know what I mean? Like, like there was a moment where like, if you were a girl's number, it was like, all right, let me plan out how many days I gotta wait to text.

• 2:13:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:13:29Speaker 00

  Because, but I don't want to wait too long.

• 2:13:33Speaker 00

  Now, it's like, I'll meet another girl.

• 2:13:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:13:35Speaker 00

  Oh, this doesn't go well.

• 2:13:37Speaker 03

  The thing with the monoculture point that's weird is like, there was before a monoculture, but there was also more distinct individual culture.

• 2:13:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, that is, now that, now they, keep going on this.

• 2:13:45Speaker 03

  Where now it's like, things are simultaneously more uniform, but less connected. You know what I mean? Like, if you had like a clothing brand in Southern California, you just sold to Southern California and that was your demographic and those were the people you were servicing. But now everything's selling to everyone at all times. And like to the dating thing, it's like your dating pool was just your immediate geography and now it's anyone within, you know, a thousand miles, so you can change your setting. So it's like, things are more accessible on a national scale and even on a global scale. And I think it's created more uniformity in terms of like the way people are culturally. But it's created more in like sort of intellectual division in terms of what people are consuming based on that basis.

• 2:14:27Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 2:14:28Speaker 03

  Like, local news doesn't really exist. Like, all news is national. But now it's siloed algorithmically to base off your preference.

• 2:14:35Speaker 00

  Yes. And to what you were talking about, the uniformity, it's like, the slang in Cali and the slang in New York is kind of the same now. The way kids talk is kind of said, like, we're losing accents a little bit.

• 2:14:46Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:14:47Speaker 00

  You know, you're losing like distinct clothing. Like, the way that kids, when I went to college in California, they were wearing like rainbow sandals. I didn't even know what the fuck that was. You know, it was like so distinct when I went out there, the way that I dressed, the way that they dressed. And even the slang words that they use, like all the things were sort of saying, now with the internet, all these kids kind of all sound the same. Maybe there's like a Southern accent, there's a little, but like the vocabulary is shared.

• 2:15:15Speaker 03

  Every man I see over forty has a version of those Pat Bed David shoes or a shoe that looks like it.

• 2:15:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, Dove is wearing them today.

• 2:15:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, but every guy over forty is wearing the same exact version of his shoe.

• 2:15:29Speaker 00

  So to your point, there is like, there is a monoculture in terms of like accepted stuff. There is a monoculture, maybe like in terms of like societal norm. Right? In terms of the way you dress, the way you talk. And the second you move outside of that, like even getting into music. Where like back in the day with like MTV, it's like, we all knew what the fucking hot song was.

• 2:15:59Speaker 00

  Do you know what the top forty, I know we're washed, but like, do you know what the top forty is right now?

• 2:16:04Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 2:16:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like, do you know what the new band is right now?

• 2:16:08Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 2:16:09Speaker 00

  Now, we're old.

• 2:16:10Speaker 03

  Somebody put me on to some group, Sombra or some shit like that the other day. And I'm like, oh, I like this song. And then apparently they've been out for mad long, they're touring with fucking Taylor Swift. I'm like, oh shit, I just discovered you.

• 2:16:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:16:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's weird for me to put my brain into it because I just never knew a world outside of this.

• 2:16:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:16:27Speaker 02

  But it seems like there's a more like cultural homogeneity even around the world and ideological isolation. Whereas before, I wonder if it was the opposite. It was like, things were.

• 2:16:38Speaker 03

  Culturally distinct, but ideologically, people were kind of on the same page. And now it's inverse.

• 2:16:43Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 2:16:44Speaker 03

  And I think that's the current paradigm. And there's more division, it feels like.

• 2:16:48Speaker 00

  And maybe more confidence in being ideologically different because you know you have a group of people that reinforce that.

• 2:16:56Speaker 03

  Online, yeah.

• 2:16:57Speaker 00

  Online, whereas maybe back in the day, you might have a little different opinion. And that kind of made you unique that you were willing to share it. You know what I mean? Like you knew the things that you felt that went against the grain a little bit. And now there's no grain.

• 2:17:11Speaker 03

  Most people would probably suppress it and just be like, hey, I'm just gonna stick with what everyone's.

• 2:17:14Speaker 00

  Yes, I'm gonna be part of whatever the collective consensus is.

• 2:17:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:17Speaker 00

  But now you got a group that will reinforce whatever insane shit that you feel. Yeah.

• 2:17:23Mark Gagnon?

  No, I'm just laughing. I'm like, yeah, you keep it in until you get a drink in here and then.

• 2:17:28Speaker 00

  But that was.

• 2:17:29Mark Gagnon?

  I'd be ruffling feathers.

• 2:17:31Speaker 03

  What happened?

• 2:17:32Mark Gagnon?

  What happened? No, just every time I go out, it's like a debate starts.

• 2:17:35Speaker 03

  Did you get hammered last night?

• 2:17:37Mark Gagnon?

  Not so much, but this past weekend I went for it.

• 2:17:40Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:17:40Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, just fun debates at the bar. Actually, Mum Dadi was a big one.

• 2:17:43Speaker 00

  Good.

• 2:17:44Mark Gagnon?

  One of the people I was out like, her parents are property owners or whatever. And it's like, they're like, he's such an asshole, the things he's doing. And I'm like, look at all the good. And we were just going at it.

• 2:17:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, that kid of theirs should be pissing people off.

• 2:17:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I know.

• 2:17:59Speaker 00

  Cause it's really just a tax on, this is a tax on wealthy people.

• 2:18:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. But now he's about to do some other thing. I forgot exactly what they said, but going after like mid-tier landlords. So maybe you don't open, own a thousand buildings or whatever, but like the ones that own like some brownstones in Brooklyn and shit like that. They're about to clamp down on them.

• 2:18:20Speaker 00

  To clamp down on them?

• 2:18:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like they got it. They got them on a list right now and they put the list out publicly.

• 2:18:25Speaker 00

  Well, they put the list of the Petersons out too publicly.

• 2:18:28Mark Gagnon?

  So they're like, yo, why are you putting a target on my back? And I was like, you know what? I feel you on that. That's fucked up. Why would you do that?

• 2:18:34Speaker 00

  Well, they'll all go, I mean, I imagine what they would say is like, this list does exist somewhere obscure that like, if you want to go into the DOB or whatever, you could find it.

• 2:18:44Mark Gagnon?

  If this, the.

• 2:18:45Speaker 00

  Or the housing bureau, whatever that is.

• 2:18:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but if he mum Dadi's gonna post it, it's like.

• 2:18:48Speaker 00

  He's gonna shine a light on it. Yes. No, a hundred percent. And now we're.

• 2:18:52Mark Gagnon?

  I felt them on that.

• 2:18:53Speaker 00

  Say again?

• 2:18:53Mark Gagnon?

  I felt them on that.

• 2:18:54Speaker 00

  I think it's a reasonable, but like, the reason why they're worried about it is because I think there's such negative sentiment towards the, the 1%. If there wasn't negative sentiment towards the 1% and a list was out, they'd be like, they'd be posting that shit on Instagram like, yeah. Look at, look at me, look at all the units I got. Because right now they're like, fuck the billionaires and we should, you know, go to their house and like with a pitchfork and Luigi Mangione's a hero. Now they're like, yo, don't post my name on the list.

• 2:19:23Speaker 03

  Right? I didn't realize he put on a list.

• 2:19:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:19:25Mark Gagnon?

  That's crazy. They not happy about that.

• 2:19:28Speaker 00

  That's wild.

• 2:19:29Mark Gagnon?

  But.

• 2:19:30Speaker 00

  But this is.

• 2:19:32Mark Gagnon?

  He's still the man, bro.

• 2:19:33Speaker 00

  But this is the thing where it's like, if you got, if you got money and you're complaining about money problems, nobody's caring. And by nobody, I mean like, the people that are gonna be supportive of his agenda and taxing the billionaires. Like, that's what like, I don't know. Like I see a lot of the, I don't know if we were talking about this, but like, I think that,

• 2:19:53Speaker 00

  like people, you see a lot of people upset at like gambling and like crypto and stuff like that, right? And there's this like big negative backlash towards it. And it's like,

• 2:20:05Speaker 00

  I, when I see young people that are, there were some articles saying it was that they were shifting some of their savings outside of investments and into gambling. And like crypto. To me, I don't see that as a problem with gambling or crypto. To me, I see that as a problem with like,

• 2:20:24Speaker 00

  I don't want to knock capitalism, but like the economic incentive structure in the, in the country. That's down, like that's young people going, oh, if I, if I, if young people are going, if I work hard, bust my ass, I could make a business and I could be incredibly successful. They're not trying to throw shit on a parlay and try to get rich on some rich quick shit. They're not dumping money into some random fucking coin so they could get rich quick. They're doing it, I think, because they no longer, they feel outside of the economic incentive structure that exists.

• 2:20:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:55Speaker 00

  In the same, so now what we're doing is we're blaming these downstream things when the real problem is upstream.

• 2:21:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think the looks making trend is part of the same thing. It's like, I can't control my financial position because I'm completely outside of this economy that's doing whatever.

• 2:21:11Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:21:11Speaker 03

  But I can't control how attractive I am. And if I can bring up that level of status, at least I can retain some status in the thing that I'm.

• 2:21:18Speaker 00

  So I'm gonna smash my face with a brick, right? It's the same thing as I'm gonna just do this crazy parlay because maybe I'll make a fucking a hundred grand on it. I'm gonna do this crypto coin that maybe is gonna go crazy. And it's just, to them, it's, to me, I view it as like giving up.

• 2:21:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's my only shot at buying a house.

• 2:21:33Speaker 00

  I'm giving up on capitalism. So it's like, we have to do something to fix this so that this generation has the same hope that past generations have that we all grew up in. Right? We all grew up with the hope, like if I work hard, like my fucking parents, I'll be able to make something, you know? And my parents' version of that was a dance studio, selling fucking dance lessons. That's a crazy dream for a lot of people. You know, like where my mom grew up, this idea that that could happen and she could like be able to provide for her family. That's like an insane thing, but she believed in it. This generation, they believe it. And I think it's reinforced by seeing everybody else online looking rich. So you have all these different vectors. It's like, everybody else is online on a boat. You're not on a boat. You're like, well, fuck, I'm not gonna be able to get on a boat by doing this shit right here. All right, I'm dumping it into these parlays.

• 2:22:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:14Speaker 00

  And like, it's not the same, but it's, it's like, it's almost like every, people going, fuck the police, right? I know this one is, is tricky, but just hear me out. It's like,

• 2:22:27Speaker 00

  the police are dealing with problems in society that they should not be dealing with, right? So they're the backstop of society. So like, you know, I have a lot of mental health shit in my family. It's like, the mental health, if you got fucking something going on where you're crazy and you're on the street and you're jerking off on a fucking subway every single day, the policeman gotta go handle that. That's not his job. He's there to fight crime. Yes, that is a crime. But like crazy people are not supposed to be part of crime. They're supposed to have institutions that will protect them. When you hollow out those institutions, right? Now you've got the police as a backdrop for all aspects of society. And then when policing goes wrong, and I understand there's racial elements of this, and I want to be sensitive to that in discussion, but you understand more like holistically what I'm trying to say.

• 2:23:08Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:09Speaker 00

  Which is like, when you just go, ah, the cops will handle it. Well, shit's gonna get fucked up if it's just the cops that handle it. Cause that's not what they're trained to do. They're trained to stop crime.

• 2:23:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:16Speaker 00

  But not stop, you know, mental illness. So then when we just go, ah, fuck the police, it's like, ah,

• 2:23:23Speaker 00

  even if you get rid of police, that shit's still gonna exist. And I think it's the same thing as like, fuck crypto, fuck gambling. It's like, okay, well, if the economy is the, is the issue and these people don't feel like they'll ever be able to be part of the economy, we gotta solve that. And all of a sudden you'll solve these other problems. Cause if these kids think that they can be millionaires by actually working hard, busting their ass, becoming entrepreneurs, they're not gonna be dumping shit into fucking parlays and crypto.

• 2:23:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a lot of misplaced anger at the things that represent the kind of late-stage capitalist decay. Where it's like AI, crypto, gambling, all this shit can be issues in their own right, but I think they represent something bigger on like an ideological level. It's like, it's a symbol.

• 2:24:03Speaker 00

  Socialism too. Like the reason why it's attractive, like there's nobody that feels like they can go out there, make their own money, succeed, start a business, who's like, ah, yes, we gotta fuck it. We have to push the, the most progressive socialist or communist, even like communist flirting government policies. They wouldn't think that. But I get it when you think that you have no shot. Then you're like, hey, we gotta do something to change this.

• 2:24:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. You're never gonna buy a house and then all of a sudden you see an AI company prop up and get a billion dollars and you're like, well, that's gonna push my house buying opportunity down another 10 years.

• 2:24:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:24:38Speaker 03

  And so it represents, I think, an anger about the economic condition.

• 2:24:42Speaker 00

  So then what is the prescription for that? Is it like finding, cause you don't want to do away with this thing that's created immense wealth and allowed us to live in like unbelievable privileges, like not comparable through any time in history.

• 2:24:55Speaker 03

  You gotta trespass the monopolies.

• 2:24:56Mark Gagnon?

  Luigi Mangione.

• 2:24:59Speaker 00

  No, but like you, you gotta kind of do that, right? It's like, you have to find ways.

• 2:25:04Mark Gagnon?

  Damn it there.

• 2:25:05Speaker 00

  So it's, it's basically what? Creating some sort of guardrails on capitalism that doesn't, that doesn't stop the entrepreneurial spirit and the investment in these young people and the ability to work hard.

• 2:25:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, develop more competition.

• 2:25:19Mark Gagnon?

  I just feel like the guardrails are gone completely. Again, I don't see it coming back.

• 2:25:25Speaker 00

  And what is an example of a good guardrail that we could instill that doesn't hollow it out? So like communism is the most guardrails to the point where like you, you know, just erode all entrepreneurship. So what is the version where there are some? What is actually prescriptive?

• 2:25:40Speaker 03

  Like actually breaking monopolies.

• 2:25:41Speaker 00

  And like, what would be one, for example?

• 2:25:43Speaker 03

  That was done historically?

• 2:25:44Speaker 00

  No, they're like, we could do now. Like what is prescriptive now? I'm not saying you gotta have this answer. Obviously, it's like a tricky question. How do you fix the American economy? How do you fix Western capitalism? Like, Miles, any thoughts?

• 2:25:58Speaker 02

  I think having safety nets would be helpful for like the populace. If there was like a safety net of like, health insurance, not even health insurance, but like the idea that like, if, even if it's not, you know, the state-funded healthcare or whatever, but like the healthcare companies, like not only being like busted, but also there being some sort of clarity and understanding that like, if you break your leg and you're uninsured or making a run at like the small business, it's not gonna like bankrupt you or like those types of things.

• 2:26:28Mark Gagnon?

  I think the biggest thing would be like free schooling.

• 2:26:31Speaker 00

  So.

• 2:26:32Mark Gagnon?

  If we.

• 2:26:32Speaker 02

  Colleges like.

• 2:26:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, if we did free college and free like, um, what's those like trade schools or stuff like that? Where it's just like, hey, this is a way to lift you up because it is proven that if you go to college, you usually end up making more in life. So that, if we can take that burden away from people and allow more people to go to school and get higher educations, I think that can help.

• 2:26:57Speaker 02

  Get private equity out of homes, like personal, individual homes, like,

• 2:27:03Speaker 02

  if your house can't be bought up by like a massive private equity company that.

• 2:27:06Speaker 00

  But the first two examples, I think you're, not saying that they're necessarily wrong, but they would lean more towards like the socialist communist society where, organization of society.

• 2:27:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:16Speaker 00

  Right? But that's not necessarily a guardrail. I think what you were talking about is like breaking up the monopolistic practices of the companies, right? Like that would allow us for more competition so young entrepreneurs can even get a foot in the game.

• 2:27:28Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, this is controversial, but I think CEOs should only be able to make like X percent more than the lowest person at their company.

• 2:27:40Speaker 00

  Well, now.

• 2:27:40Mark Gagnon?

  I think you have to like lower that gap.

• 2:27:42Speaker 00

  Now, now you're on some Castro shit, my boy. This is again, this is more like.

• 2:27:47Mark Gagnon?

  Isn't that a guardrail, a capitalist guardrail?

• 2:27:50Speaker 00

  So I don't know if that's a guardrail. What I think is that is like a fundamentally, like that's putting a, that, I mean, it is putting government pressure on a private business, which you could argue is a guardrail. But what would that do? Like allow the employees to be paid more because there's more capital that exists? What I think would end up just happening is that money would just be reinvested in the business. And I don't know if it would be reflected in like the employee salary.

• 2:28:14Mark Gagnon?

  Even if it's reinvested, usually that reinvestment can result in more jobs or things of that nature.

• 2:28:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, but if the jobs aren't high paying enough, then you're in the same circumstances.

• 2:28:23Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but if there's more available jobs, it's better than nothing.

• 2:28:25Speaker 00

  Let me ask you this question.

• 2:28:26Mark Gagnon?

  What's the little better is, is better than nothing?

• 2:28:32Speaker 00

  Speaking of capitalism, can we continue this conversation on Patreon?

• 2:28:35Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, let's absolutely. Oh shit.

• 2:28:37Speaker 00

  Let's reinforce what we want. Strong entrepreneurship.

• 2:28:41Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 2:28:42Speaker 00

  People that want a non-extreme take and logic and reason.

• 2:28:48Speaker 03

  And support a small business.

• 2:28:49Speaker 00

  And support a small business. This is great. Let's, this is, God, we look like some frauds doing this right now, huh? But we have limited time and we want to make sure we get a Patreon out this week. Um, sorry for, for that, guys. I've been on this movie, but we're gonna continue on patreon.com/flagrant. Love you guys. Appreciate y'all.