New Epstein Files Get Even Worse, & Bad Bunny Super Bowl Reaction | Flagrant 691

YERRR – the boys go full investigative-mode on Bad Bunny's Half Time Show, Trump, and the Epstein files. It's fun and celebratory up top, but gets chaotic, and conspiratorial fast. We’re talkin’: – Super Bowl halftime politics, TPUSA, and why Jake Paul is corny – Epstein theories: redactions, and whether “he’s still alive” – Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Peter Attia, and sulfuric secret code words – Ghislaine, Wexner, Reddit mods, game-economy laundering, and “sacrificial lambs” No one is safe, everyone’s implicated, and the rabbit hole goes way deeper than you think. All that and more on this week’s episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE. 0:00 Schulz told you! Gaga was unnecessary? 5:56 Embracing this Americana + Landscaping 9:02 Trump’s response was scheduled 10:15 TPUSA Half-Time show + Tap-dancing 13:07 Arg. against Bad Bunny? Jake Paul = corny 19:17 Low amounts of guilt + Recording at WTFMedia 22:07 Epstein files, are the rest coming out? 27:18 Epstein still alive? Dorsey + AI to confuse 30:00 Craziest claims, Bill Gates + David got roasted 36:05 Sulfuric Acid, Code words + Peter Attia 39:47 Is Elon Musk the corniest + Wildest party?? 44:50 Leverage w/ gov, Bannon interview + Middle men 51:04 How early does it go? Epstine? Bear Stearns 56:11 Why him? Inheriting Maxwell’s wealth + Reddit mod 1:00:54 Epstein meeting with 4chan creator 1:05:44 Epstein still alive? Laundering thru game economies 1:09:22 Procuring people, Sacrificial lambs + Redacted names? 1:13:23 Epstein was cooperating + Trump et al lied 1:16:26 Don T redaction, Kash Patel + Too big to fail 1:21:02 Elites + Feared than loved 1:26:16 Clintons’ public deposition + Howard Lutnick 1:29:40 Overseas impact of files + Nothing will happen 1:31:49 Where are the victims? Epstein didn’t self-del? 1:42:37 WH response + Trump friendship timeline 1:48:00 Trump is implicated + Bannon 1:51:09 Are we just Greek? Wexner is Epstein’s BF? 1:53:31 Come on forehead + What’s the story? 1:54:56 Ex-gf crypto scandal + Island = no rules 1:57:56 Kaaba covering, Temple + Satanic rituals? 2:01:47 Victims, Congressmen + Wealth inequality 2:04:47 DA reducing Epstein’s charge + Go to the Island? 2:07:55 Eric Weinstein, Goy hurts + Chris Tucker 2:12:13 Blaccent, Fake Citizens + What’s the real? 2:14:21 Catholic Church + Stoking fear This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:00Speaker 02

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• 1:29Speaker 03

  What's up everybody? Welcome to Flavort's, your boy Chelsea, Alex Media Marketing, gags in the building.

• 1:35Speaker 04

  What's up?

• 1:36Speaker 03

  Shout out Bad Bunny, you did it!

• 1:37Speaker 04

  Yes, it's Bad Mito.

• 1:38Speaker 03

  I told y'all, I told y'all!

• 1:40Speaker 04

  Oh yeah.

• 1:41Speaker 03

  I told y'all!

• 1:42Mark Gagnon?

  You did, you did tell him.

• 1:43Speaker 03

  Did I not?

• 1:44Mark Gagnon?

  You did.

• 1:44Speaker 03

  I said he's the biggest artist in the world and he would conquer the Super Bowl 100%.

• 1:49Mark Gagnon?

  Conquer.

• 1:49Speaker 03

  Let's go.

• 1:51Speaker 04

  You were talking crazy on my mans. On me and Al's mans, right? On our mans, on our Latino mans.

• 1:57Speaker 03

  I said that this would be probably one of the greatest Super Bowl performances of all time.

• 2:01Speaker 04

  Wait, really?

• 2:02Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 2:03Speaker 04

  I don't think he said that.

• 2:04Mark Gagnon?

  Thanks to him, he kicked them out of Williamsburg so now he could perform.

• 2:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, you displaced them. You displaced the Puerto Ricans.

• 2:10Speaker 04

  That is true. That spot right there, by the way, that's a block from my house.

• 2:14Mark Gagnon?

  Really?

• 2:14Speaker 04

  The Caribbean Social Club.

• 2:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. She's holding off a dear life.

• 2:17Speaker 03

  Dear life.

• 2:18Speaker 04

  What do you mean, bro? She's in the Super Bowl.

• 2:20Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they don't pay them. Pepsi's not giving her any money. Pepsi's only paying Theo Hawn. Pepsi's not giving no money to this poor woman.

• 2:28Speaker 04

  What's her name, Tonita? Is that it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. My neighbor, close friend of mine.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  Stop, stop saying yeah, like you know, Al. I know Tonita. We know this shit, bro. No, no, no, no, no. We're not doing it. We're not doing it, baby, though. I'm playing my shit right now, please, man.

• 2:43Speaker 04

  You're from Manhattan, you're not, you're not about this.

• 2:45Speaker 03

  You brought up a great point, by the way. You brought up a really good point.

• 2:48Speaker 04

  If you like thick Latinas shaking ass on TV.

• 2:51Speaker 03

  You're a fucking lib.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  If you're a big time lib.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  You're a fucking lib.

• 2:57Speaker 03

  The chair makes you do that. Hold on. Hold on. The chair makes you do that. Hold on. Now I get it. What the hell just happened? Yo, search Al's name in the files, Al. Search Al's name in the files immediately. I'm just giving you a little bit. You don't know how old those girls were? Give me a little bit. You didn't ask their ID, Al? Nah, that's grown woman.

• 3:20Speaker 03

  Nobody's ever said that. No one's ever said that coming back from the Virgin Islands.

• 3:25Speaker 04

  If you like these thick Latinas, you're a lib, dude. That's just what it is. You're a socialist, you're a Marxist, you're, you're a mental retard. You're a traitor. You're a vampire.

• 3:33Speaker 03

  You are a traitor.

• 3:34Speaker 04

  You're a vampire.

• 3:35Speaker 03

  You are a vampire.

• 3:36Speaker 04

  Vampire.

• 3:37Speaker 03

  I'm D, all the above. Yo, can, can we just be honest, like, did they need? And, and I, Lady Gaga shouts to you. Unnecessary.

• 3:45Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no. No, no, no.

• 3:47Speaker 03

  Unnes- it, it felt like, it felt like they were trying to throw the whites something.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  They were, exactly, they were trying to throw something for you. You know what I mean? Yeah, they, they gave us Benito. They gave us Benito, then they tried to throw you.

• 3:59Speaker 03

  His name is Benito.

• 4:00Speaker 04

  That's what I said.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  It's Benito. It's not Bebito. Like, what do you say? It's Benito.

• 4:06Speaker 04

  Benito, that's what I'm saying.

• 4:07Speaker 03

  Benito. I don't even know how to say it. It's Benito.

• 4:12Mark Gagnon?

  Benito, but you say it with a V.

• 4:15Speaker 03

  Isn't it bendito?

• 4:17Mark Gagnon?

  No, it's benito.

• 4:18Speaker 03

  Look it up.

• 4:18Mark Gagnon?

  Fucking idiot.

• 4:19Speaker 04

  Look it up.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  You're gonna let him do this to our culture, right?

• 4:22Speaker 04

  You're really gonna let him do your culture?

• 4:24Speaker 03

  Look it up, look at that.

• 4:25Mark Gagnon?

  I can't wait for this one.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  You said, what is it? Benito.

• 4:28Mark Gagnon?

  You fucking idiot.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  Put this in your head, dude.

• 4:33Speaker 03

  How you trying to control your head? We need, we need Luke Combs. Okay, we need Luke Combs.

• 4:40Speaker 04

  We need, we need kids.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  Garth Brooks. When is this song rolling to be American again?

• 4:46Mark Gagnon?

  We need a party in this motherfucker.

• 4:48Speaker 03

  Okay? Quit it with these fine ass Latinos shaking ass.

• 4:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, this shit is extremely uncomfortable and un-American.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  That's so lived up. You're so right about that. Bendito, come on. Why do only liberals like fine ass Latinos shaking ass?

• 5:05Speaker 04

  He trying to move a pot from his side.

• 5:07Speaker 03

  Jesus is.

• 5:08Mark Gagnon?

  Fucking idiot.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  I thought you were a fucking idiot. And let me just be honest, you thought you were one for about three seconds.

• 5:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 5:16Speaker 03

  I was like, oh no, oh no, I can't. Is there a D I forgot about?

• 5:20Mark Gagnon?

  I can't let my people down right now. I got nervous. I was nervous. I was nervous.

• 5:25Speaker 04

  Mental retard.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, no, but like, did we need Lady Gaga or were they just throwing a bone to the?

• 5:31Speaker 04

  No, they're trying to throw a bone to the whites. It is funny, because they had Lady Gaga singing a Bruno Mars song.

• 5:36Speaker 03

  Which is also confusing, but he is Puerto Rican.

• 5:39Speaker 04

  Yes, but it's like, okay, we're gonna, we can't get Bruno Mars because it's gonna be too.

• 5:43Speaker 03

  We need a white person to sing.

• 5:45Speaker 04

  To do Bruno Mars.

• 5:46Mark Gagnon?

  Wow, I thought it was her song.

• 5:47Speaker 04

  That's what I thought. I mean, I might be, I might be off the fence.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  It's a Bruno Mars song.

• 5:50Speaker 04

  I might be off the fence, but I'll have someone check.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  What was the song? See, we don't even know the words to that one. Stop acting like you know any of the words to any of the songs.

• 5:58Mark Gagnon?

  But he took one of his lyrics and said, oh, is this what you really want? And then cut it off, and then that's why you got a white girl performing. So in Spanish, he says, is this what you, I think, is this what America really wants? And then cuts to her.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  How do you say it in Spanish?

• 6:13Mark Gagnon?

  I mean.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  Let's just party, guys. Come on.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  Hey, come on.

• 6:18Mark Gagnon?

  Fuck that. Oh, I'm spilling myself out of everything today.

• 6:23Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, let's go, party time.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  Burning Mac himself out of a bomb.

• 6:37Mark Gagnon?

  I ain't scared of you motherfucker.

• 6:42Speaker 04

  Bro, how did you stand up for a music cue that wasn't there?

• 6:46Mark Gagnon?

  They lame, man. Come on, Joe.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  Alright, so wait, what's the, what's the logic with Lady Gaga? What's the logic? Is, do they sit down with Jay-Z and be like, yo, this shit is, it's been like six years without a white?

• 6:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think so.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  We need to give them something?

• 7:00Speaker 04

  The last white was Eminem, I think. Didn't he do it with 50?

• 7:03Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was the last one.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  He's passing.

• 7:07Speaker 04

  But what they, what Jay-Z?

• 7:08Speaker 03

  He's white passing. Eminem is white passing.

• 7:10Speaker 04

  So is Lady Gaga, this fucking thallion.

• 7:12Speaker 03

  I know, dude.

• 7:13Speaker 04

  You really didn't realize this fucking thallion?

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Singing a Puerto Rican song on America's biggest stage? Come on, dude!

• 7:23Mark Gagnon?

  Ah, this was wonderful. This was wonderful.

• 7:26Speaker 03

  Why don't we just embrace this part of Americana? Why, we too love big booty Latinas. We too love pure vibes. We too love dancing.

• 7:36Mark Gagnon?

  Amen!

• 7:37Speaker 03

  We too love some tupitos from mi abuela. This is what we love. Okay, this, for example, right here, this, we do not want to see, right?

• 7:46Speaker 04

  This is socialist.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  For your-

• 7:48Speaker 04

  This is cultural Marxism.

• 7:50Speaker 03

  Like that?

• 7:51Speaker 04

  This is what Jordan Peterson warned us about. This is Marxism.

• 7:53Speaker 03

  How can anybody be mad at this stuff? No, but that's what we're discussing right now. Like, when you look at these fine ass Latinas shaking it, and you enjoy it?

• 8:01Speaker 04

  It's just too political. That's my issue. You, you get these fat ass Latinas shaking ass, making twerking, go through the grass on the field, and it's like, it's just so political.

• 8:09Speaker 03

  Why does everything have to be politics, man?

• 8:11Speaker 04

  Exactly, dude.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  Why can't I just watch football?

• 8:13Speaker 04

  Exactly. We don't get these hot Latinas shaking ass.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, fuck that. We want, well, white chicks with no ass and zero tits with pom poms. That's not political.

• 8:21Speaker 04

  That's not divisive, you know what I mean?

• 8:22Speaker 03

  Bad Latin, no, sorry. Look at that.

• 8:26Mark Gagnon?

  Come on now.

• 8:26Speaker 03

  Don't you hate America?

• 8:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:28Speaker 03

  Don't you hate America and our decisions?

• 8:30Mark Gagnon?

  I hate it a lot.

• 8:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, dude.

• 8:33Speaker 03

  Alright, alright, he throwing, he throwing.

• 8:35Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I should got him going. He's big time, yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  He's throwing it. See, this is, we need to make GLP1s illegal.

• 8:44Mark Gagnon?

  Wait, why is that?

• 8:45Speaker 04

  Because you got girls with thick Latina ass trying to get on a GLP1, gonna ruin it. For what? To confine to white beauty standards? To get to white beauty standards?

• 8:53Mark Gagnon?

  You're kinda talking.

• 8:54Speaker 04

  Which is not what we want as proud, you know, rasa, right? We don't.

• 8:59Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 9:00Speaker 04

  Is that Mexican? Okay, but you get what I'm saying.

• 9:02Mark Gagnon?

  You're close though.

• 9:03Speaker 04

  You get the vibes.

• 9:04Mark Gagnon?

  No, you were close.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  They're not all the same.

• 9:05Speaker 04

  Porico.

• 9:06Speaker 03

  They're not all the same.

• 9:07Mark Gagnon?

  I see how you feel that way.

• 9:10Speaker 04

  Also, rasa is.

• 9:11Mark Gagnon?

  But he feels that way.

• 9:12Speaker 04

  La rasa, si, la rasa.

• 9:15Speaker 03

  He doesn't discriminate who does his lawn.

• 9:16Mark Gagnon?

  I know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:17Speaker 03

  And that's the reality of that, okay?

• 9:19Speaker 04

  Why can't I get these people to do my lawn? Cause they.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  Well, in New York, we don't have lawns.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  But they cleared out that grass so quick though. Did you even see it?

• 9:25Speaker 03

  Why did they make them do landscaping? I think that is a little bit, I think that is a little bit racist. And maybe that was throwing a bone to the whites. Maybe that was Goodell being like, listen, if you're gonna have Latinos out there, at least make them move around some grass.

• 9:39Mark Gagnon?

  It's more white people in the grass.

• 9:40Speaker 04

  No, is it really?

• 9:41Mark Gagnon?

  There's nothing but whites in the grass.

• 9:42Speaker 03

  No. You know how I knew that? The sway was a little off, right? Right? It didn't have like a nice little salsa or bachata to it.

• 9:49Mark Gagnon?

  Every once in a while, white just peeks his little face out like, pimbo.

• 9:54Speaker 03

  They're taking over. But this was good.

• 9:58Speaker 04

  No, it was awesome. And he gave a shout out to my people at the very end. Canada.

• 10:04Speaker 03

  Oh, now you Canadian?

• 10:06Speaker 04

  They did. I'm just saying what he said.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  Question, did, and did you guys, did you guys put up anything on Kelsey for Trump just drone hooking him?

• 10:17Mark Gagnon?

  I didn't even know that was up on Kelsey.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  There was a part of me that thought like, in the middle of this performance, he's gonna jump out of something before his feet even reached the platform. He was just gonna get like.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  Claw machine.

• 10:27Speaker 03

  Claw machines right out of there.

• 10:28Mark Gagnon?

  Damn. If I saw that one, I would have bet.

• 10:30Speaker 03

  Okay, fair enough. Those are the things.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  Well, some people are saying that Trump's response was scheduled. Because look at the time that it came out. 8pm, cause it's central time. It came out at 9pm Eastern Standard.

• 10:42Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  But it basically says worst halftime show ever, no creativity, this shit sucked. Also, we do need to fix the NFL kickoff rule, it's crazy. Make America Great Again. And people are like, oh, this was a vague scheduled post that someone made.

• 10:55Speaker 03

  Hold on one second.

• 10:56Mark Gagnon?

  What time was the performance? Like, was this?

• 10:59Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 11:01Speaker 04

  I know, it did come out after the performance, but it was scheduled at exactly nine o'clock. They're like, oh yeah, it'll be done and we'll just schedule it for the hour.

• 11:07Speaker 03

  Got it. Okay. We're supposed to sit here and believe that Trump doesn't enjoy watching some girls from the island work?

• 11:16Speaker 03

  Is that what we're supposed to believe?

• 11:17Speaker 04

  You would never, dude.

• 11:18Speaker 03

  There's no way, right?

• 11:20Speaker 04

  These girls are the wrong migrants, alright? They need to be Eastern European, on a private jet.

• 11:24Speaker 03

  But are you alleging, or are some people online alleging, that he already had a response baked up prior to the performance? You're saying that he didn't watch the performance objectively and then react?

• 11:34Speaker 04

  Well, what's funny is I think he did actually watch the performance. That people are calling Trump a traitor.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  Why? Because he was bumping his head today?

• 11:41Speaker 04

  Because he was apparently watching, he didn't put on the Turning Point USA one. I just saw that on Twitter, that might be not true.

• 11:45Speaker 03

  Did you guys watch the Turning Point USA one? Yes, bro.

• 11:47Mark Gagnon?

  Of course, man.

• 11:48Speaker 04

  That shit was gas.

• 11:49Mark Gagnon?

  I saw, you know, white speaking English, you know, bah with the bah, the bang, the bang, ding.

• 11:57Speaker 03

  I was on stage, I was like, that's the same joke. It's like, I turned, I was like, I was listening to the one in Spanish and I was like, I don't understand any of this. And I turned to the Turning Point USA and it was just bah with the bah, the bang. I was like, nobody's speaking English in America.

• 12:08Speaker 04

  But that's the thing, that's so annoying. People are like, dude, I don't even understand the lyrics. I've never understood the Super Bowl halftime show lyrics.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  Never?

• 12:16Speaker 04

  Like, do you know the lyrics? Like Shakira did a Super Bowl halftime show.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  What's the rest of it?

• 12:24Speaker 03

  I don't like how you actually tried to sing. I don't like, nah, nah, nah, nah. You're so, no, no, no, no. Whenever you sing it, it's like, hey, why couldn't you just talk it? Now, you're going back to Canada. I don't like how...

• 12:39Speaker 04

  Canada, we say Canada.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  You made an effort to sound like you have a good voice.

• 12:44Speaker 04

  Okay, I'm sorry that God granted me with these unbelievable pipes, dude, and I just know how to sing.

• 12:49Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 12:49Speaker 04

  Also, I do have an ear clog.

• 12:50Speaker 03

  A catheter came out.

• 12:51Speaker 04

  I have an ear clog right now, so I was even maybe a little off pitch. But all that to say, Shakira does this halftime show, no one knows what she's saying. Lady Gaga's saying it in English, I don't even know what song it was.

• 13:02Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, he got a little bit of a point. But fuck.

• 13:06Speaker 04

  I don't know the lyrics, bro. Like, I don't know any of the lyrics to any song.

• 13:09Mark Gagnon?

  This is us. This is us. Who's that on the right?

• 13:12Speaker 04

  That's Erica Kirk throwing it down.

• 13:14Speaker 03

  So what is the argument?

• 13:15Speaker 04

  Yes, bro.

• 13:17Speaker 03

  This is AI. Please tell me this is AI.

• 13:20Speaker 04

  Bro, it's not. She's a-

• 13:22Mark Gagnon?

  No fucking way.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  She's a studio recording artist.

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Stop it.

• 13:25Speaker 04

  What?

• 13:26Speaker 06

  Bradley Gilbert.

• 13:27Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  Bradley Gil- alright. Yeah. No.

• 13:30Speaker 03

  No.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  What, come on Joey, what is-

• 13:33Speaker 03

  Take the computer and smack it over your head. Take the computer, close it, and then break it over the top of your head.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  Come on.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  This is Gabby Barrett.

• 13:43Mark Gagnon?

  Oh. Yeah, but she got Erica Kirk face.

• 13:46Speaker 03

  What does that mean?

• 13:47Mark Gagnon?

  It's like a little, you know what I mean?

• 13:53Speaker 04

  It's too old.

• 13:54Speaker 06

  Dance, dance. Al, dance.

• 13:55Mark Gagnon?

  Here we go.

• 14:00Speaker 03

  Vile with the racism and Al allowing that.

• 14:05Speaker 04

  That made me feel uncomfortable.

• 14:07Mark Gagnon?

  I need to put that together.

• 14:08Speaker 03

  He told you to tap dance and you were up there hitting the pavement.

• 14:13Speaker 04

  He got up.

• 14:14Mark Gagnon?

  Whoa.

• 14:14Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 14:15Mark Gagnon?

  I was, you know, I was trying to get out of-

• 14:17Speaker 04

  I didn't think about it either.

• 14:18Speaker 03

  I know, see, see.

• 14:20Speaker 04

  You know my heart.

• 14:21Speaker 03

  Love beats hate, man.

• 14:22Speaker 04

  Love does beat hate.

• 14:23Speaker 03

  Love beats hate.

• 14:24Speaker 04

  And these are haters over here.

• 14:25Speaker 03

  Miles watched 15 seconds of the Turning Point halftime show and immediately told a black man to dance.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  No.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  Damn, man, I'm sorry, man.

• 14:33Speaker 04

  That's on me, that's on me. I wasn't thinking.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  Damn. So wait, what is the, what is the argument against Bad Bunny? Doing the halftime show? Is it that he said things that are not supportive of America in the past and they're upset about that? Like, let's say he was like a Cuban-American, like, diehard America, conservative, love everything about America, and also performed in Spanish. Would they be that upset about that?

• 15:01Mark Gagnon?

  Well, I think there's a lot of dumb Americans that think Puerto Ricans aren't US citizens.

• 15:07Speaker 04

  That's part of it.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  They can't truly believe that.

• 15:10Mark Gagnon?

  No, there's like some, they, some get punched in the head a lot, and then they think they're fake Americans.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  Oh wait, I feel like this is targeted.

• 15:18Mark Gagnon?

  You know, I'm just saying there's some people that are dumb and think that Puerto Ricans aren't you have citizens. And to those people, I would say fuck you. But uh.

• 15:27Speaker 03

  But like, who are you talking about?

• 15:29Mark Gagnon?

  I'm just saying, I'm just saying if.

• 15:31Speaker 03

  It feels like you're talking about Jake Paul. That's what it feels like right now.

• 15:35Speaker 04

  Friend of the show.

• 15:35Mark Gagnon?

  Is he dumb? Does he not know that America, I mean Puerto Ricans are American citizens?

• 15:39Speaker 03

  Well, he must know because he lives there.

• 15:41Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, I would think he knows. Wait, what's this? Wait, wait. Turn off the halftime. A fake American citizen. Oh, no, he's a dummy. He's a fucking dummy. So fuck Jake Paul. And fuck everybody.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  You had him on the pod. You invited him on the podcast.

• 15:54Mark Gagnon?

  That was him? It was Logan?

• 15:55Speaker 04

  No, you invited Jake on the show. You wanted to talk to him specifically.

• 15:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, y'all all look alike because I thought we had the other one.

• 16:01Speaker 03

  We had both of them on. When we were talking to Tony Ayo and Uncle Murda last week, did you think it was just you were seeing double?

• 16:09Mark Gagnon?

  They were twins.

• 16:10Speaker 04

  I wouldn't say that.

• 16:12Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, but this is really corny and I see you backtracking it now. So if you.

• 16:17Speaker 03

  So what did he initially say? Why don't you bring up the initial tweet, Joey?

• 16:22Mark Gagnon?

  I think this is the initial one. Yeah.

• 16:24Speaker 03

  Was it?

• 16:24Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  Okay, he goes purposely turning off the halftime show. Let's rally together and show big corporations they can't just do whatever they want to without consequences, which.

• 16:32Mark Gagnon?

  Shut your mic, sorry.

• 16:34Speaker 03

  Oh, sorry. Which equals viewership for them. Turn off this halftime. A fake American citizen performing who publicly hates America. I cannot support that.

• 16:44Speaker 04

  Dude, he got hacked, bro. He said he got hacked.

• 16:47Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, he didn't.

• 16:48Speaker 04

  Maybe it was a typo. Maybe he typed it wrong. Maybe. Uh oh.

• 16:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what happens when you start talking about Jake.

• 16:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:56Speaker 03

  Miles takes your mic. You shut your ass up and go back to your answer.

• 17:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, Miles, fix my mic, bitch. Damn!

• 17:03Speaker 04

  There we go. Deserved, deserved.

• 17:06Mark Gagnon?

  We back, we back.

• 17:07Speaker 03

  All right. So what happened? So Jake said that I don't understand the fake American citizen thing. That doesn't even make sense. He knows they're American citizens. He lives there.

• 17:14Mark Gagnon?

  I don't think he does. I think he got punched in the head too many times by Anthony Joshua.

• 17:17Speaker 03

  So you think he forgot?

• 17:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  I think he's like acutely aware that it's part of America because there's a very favorable tax code there.

• 17:23Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, that's true. But maybe that's all he knows about the island.

• 17:26Speaker 03

  Ah, so it's like a tax haven.

• 17:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, yeah.

• 17:29Speaker 04

  Bro, it's being misinterpreted, bro. He's literally said, "The problem with my tweet is that the word fake is being misinterpreted." He's not a fake citizen, obviously, because he's Puerto Rican and I love Puerto Rico and all Americans who support the country. More so, Bad Bunny's fake because his values and criticisms are a great country. You were intentionally trying to misinterpret his tweet because you're a hater, because you have JDS.

• 17:49Mark Gagnon?

  Alright, so if... That's funny.

• 17:52Speaker 04

  You have JDS, dude, you got Jake deranged with something.

• 17:54Mark Gagnon?

  That is funny.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  You're hating on a friend of the show, one of your homies that you invited to come on the podcast. You're just hating on him for views and clicks. You're rage baiting right now.

• 18:02Mark Gagnon?

  If his apology is genuine, I'll give him grace. But I think that came just because he got a lot of backlash. And if that's the case, then fuck him.

• 18:11Speaker 03

  This is an unfortunate thing because Jake did just get knocked out, but lasted way longer than anybody thought. And people were really supportive, I think, of Jake after that. Of course, there are people like, you know, this is what happens when you fight a real boxer, etc. But I think deep down, there was a little part of like, holy shit, this kid's kind of brave. He starts boxing his twenties and he goes and gets knocked out by Anthony Joshua, jaw broken. And maybe like the first time in his entertainment career post like Disney, where it felt like there was kind of unanimous, not unanimous, but majority support.

• 18:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, people then maybe had a little bit of respect for him.

• 18:52Speaker 03

  Maybe respect is a better thing. It's like, I don't like your antics and I don't like somebody's fights, but I respect that you were able to go in there and get your ass kicked and tried your hardest.

• 18:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 19:00Speaker 03

  And then he says this and people are like, what the fuck are you doing? It was so crazy. I thought he was trolling. Like, I was like, oh, Jake's working towards some fight with somebody.

• 19:08Mark Gagnon?

  I thought so also, and then if you go to his grant, he's doing a hard shift to that, the MAGA crowd. He's doing a real hard shift.

• 19:15Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 19:16Mark Gagnon?

  And so, hey, if that's what time you on, then how about that? That's it.

• 19:22Speaker 04

  Well, he says, "If you're publicly criticizing ICE for just doing their jobs, then he's gonna speak on it." So you might get clipped, you might get clipped.

• 19:29Mark Gagnon?

  You think he's coming for us?

• 19:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, bro, you might get punched in the head.

• 19:32Mark Gagnon?

  Fake citizen, bro.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Am I a fake citizen?

• 19:35Speaker 04

  You're fucking Puerto Rican, you're Bodecoy. Hit the music, Miles, come on.

• 19:40Speaker 04

  He's really calling us Puerto Rican. But yeah, that is, it is funny because people are mad at Bad Bunny. It's like he's literally, I mean, I saw someone say he's more American than Trump. I thought that was a funny take.

• 19:50Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Because technically, he's been on Puerto Rico and like his family lineage in Puerto Rico goes farther back. And Puerto Rico was a part of America for farther back than Trump's ancestors.

• 20:00Mark Gagnon?

  Ooh.

• 20:01Speaker 04

  Because like they came from like Scotland in the thirties or something. I don't have the data.

• 20:04Speaker 03

  Now, again, I don't want to be critical of your take, but like.

• 20:07Speaker 04

  Not my take, what? Not my take.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  I don't, I, I, but you know, once you're American, you're American. Nobody's more American because their family was here longer.

• 20:16Speaker 04

  Hmm. No, dude, you're more American. If you're, if you're George Washington's kid, you're more American.

• 20:21Mark Gagnon?

  My ancestors were here for a long time.

• 20:23Speaker 04

  A hundred percent, dude. Our ancestors were here for hell long.

• 20:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  Yeah. Unlike your Scottish ancestors that came over.

• 20:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:30Speaker 04

  In the eighties or whatever.

• 20:32Mark Gagnon?

  That's good. At least they were.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  So there's levels. There's a, yeah, exactly. I missed all the bad shit.

• 20:38Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 20:39Mark Gagnon?

  You know, you're less American, but.

• 20:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. So you gotta catch up. You gotta make up for it. You gotta start doing bad shit now.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  No, I can't do that. I can't, I can't support that.

• 20:46Speaker 04

  Crime.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  I did get lucky though, because like my German side came here before.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  Before Haiti?

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Before, yeah, before Tucker Carlson's favorite time in history. And then my Scottish family came after all the fuck shit.

• 21:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 21:01Speaker 03

  So this is like perfect. Like they got after slavery, before World War II. I'm in a nice little zone in terms of like low amounts of guilt.

• 21:11Mark Gagnon?

  We just gotta get your name out of the Epstein files.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  Did you search people's names behind?

• 21:17Mark Gagnon?

  Of course.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  I searched somebody's.

• 21:18Mark Gagnon?

  Everybody. That's the first thing I did. First I searched mine, see if I'm popping.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. Did you, did you get any shots?

• 21:25Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, nothing.

• 21:26Speaker 03

  Nothing?

• 21:26Mark Gagnon?

  Nothing.

• 21:26Speaker 03

  Damn. Nobody used the studio? Fuck. What did Steve Bannon use when he did that interview with Epstein? He didn't go to WTF Media?

• 21:34Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I think that might have been.

• 21:36Speaker 03

  Bannon did the interview in Alex's studio? And you know, he would have taken that money in a heartbeat. They would have given him a discount. There's no, give me some tax advice.

• 21:44Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, nah. We taxing those guys, but.

• 21:48Speaker 04

  Would you have built a studio in 2015?

• 21:56Speaker 03

  You're saying, you're saying that you're looking into the criminal record of all the people that you build studios for? Or do you have a policy where if people have prior convictions, they're not allowed to record in your studio?

• 22:08Mark Gagnon?

  Traitor. I think I'm gonna dance now.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  How many criminals? How many career criminals?

• 22:18Mark Gagnon?

  What the fuck is happening?

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Have recorded in WTFF Media Studios? Guaranteed, the next Epstein list, whoever the next Epstein is, like 20, 30 years from now, 100% some of his cronies are recorded there.

• 22:28Mark Gagnon?

  Hey, my studio's popping. Come on, I can't help it.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  You're like the island.

• 22:34Mark Gagnon?

  Everybody wants to go.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  So, we can't use his actual name.

• 22:39Mark Gagnon?

  The fuck you doing?

• 22:41Speaker 03

  We can't use his actual name, even though we should search it in front of all of us.

• 22:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Nah, but I definitely, I searched everything. I searched the fake one, the real one, everything.

• 22:50Speaker 04

  Nothing?

• 22:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 22:51Speaker 04

  Clean.

• 22:52Mark Gagnon?

  Clean. Damn, there's a lot of gags in there.

• 22:57Mark Gagnon?

  There's a lot of gags in there.

• 22:58Speaker 04

  Dude, Miles gave me so much shit because he was like, "Yeah, dude, like, my family's not in it, no way." I searched his last name immediately, it was like 10 results. And I was like, "All right." What say you there, Miles?

• 23:09Speaker 06

  It's a woman on the board of trustees for an event that Epstein wanted to go to.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  How convenient.

• 23:15Speaker 06

  At like a charity.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  Is it a relative of it?

• 23:17Mark Gagnon?

  So, he couldn't even get into your family shit.

• 23:19Speaker 06

  Not that I was, no. You think I've, you think that my family is on the board of trustees in a prestigious New York charity?

• 23:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, the part of the family I don't talk to your side.

• 23:32Speaker 06

  But no, I looked it up. I looked deep into it, I was like, "All right, well, let's see. If my last name's in here, I want to know what's going on."

• 23:37Speaker 04

  Bro, the Epstein shit is just so crazy. We were talking about this before, like, how do you actually even untangle the web of debauchery and criminality that's connected with all of the most elite institutions and people around the world? I don't know how. I don't know if there's like a singular thread that like ties everything neatly together.

• 23:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, sometimes he just puts together a sentence.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  You love it.

• 23:59Mark Gagnon?

  You like shit? Yo, I could try to recite this shit and it's not gonna come out.

• 24:05Speaker 04

  I'll say it.

• 24:10Speaker 04

  It's insane. My mom was right the whole time.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  That elite satanic pedophiles are running the government.

• 24:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, you know his mom's a lib now?

• 24:17Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, you were saying she had full.

• 24:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's fully swung all the way back around.

• 24:21Mark Gagnon?

  Respect.

• 24:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, horseshit theory. But yeah, it's just crazy. Like, you go through the emails and you're just like, okay, everyone's kind of connected. They've only released half, for the record.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it's enough to incriminate everyone. Isn't that crazy? Like, just the half?

• 24:37Mark Gagnon?

  I thought we're like two thirds now.

• 24:39Speaker 03

  I don't know, but there's like a few million more.

• 24:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think the total like that was recovered was like six million individual files. And they've released like three million or something to that effect.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  Wow. When Massey and Roe and the rest of Congress got to see unredacted files that were still redacted, those are of the three million that we've all seen.

• 24:57Speaker 04

  I'm not sure. And certainly that because they're looking at some of the stuff that's censored and redacted that they're like, we're gonna just go on the floor and say all the names.

• 25:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  But it seems like, to me at least, that they're also getting access to the unreleased is my suspicion. I don't know exactly that, but that's what I think.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  But you think they've seen those already? And then what about us getting, what about us getting the unreleased?

• 25:16Speaker 04

  Well, there's conversation about are they gonna release more? And are they able to release more through Trump's administration to still, you know, protect their interests, whatever they may be?

• 25:25Speaker 03

  What are the odds we get? What is Cal, what does Cal she say? Is there a Cal she market for will we get the rest of the Epstein files this month?

• 25:32Mark Gagnon?

  Well, yeah, we not getting that shit.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  There's no way. There's no way, right? Like, if it's this bad already and they're giving us, and these are the sacrificial lambs, there's no way we're getting more. What is it?

• 25:43Speaker 04

  There's this, that will Trump release more Epstein files this month? Thirty seven percent chance.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  I don't believe it until like some random account bets a million dollars the day before the release. Like, you can really tell who has the insider information when a fucking trillion dollars get put on your skewer bet.

• 26:00Speaker 04

  Is Maduro gonna get captured? And they'll say just a million dollars the day before?

• 26:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, I wonder why you thought that. I wonder why you're willing to put up a million dollars?

• 26:06Speaker 04

  And then Trump's talking about Barron, like, yeah, he just does the stuff with a computer. He's amazing.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  How does he figure it out? So what does it say? Thirty seven percent Trump will release more Epstein files this month. No way. No fucking chance.

• 26:22Speaker 04

  I mean, it was at 10%. It seems like it's going up.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  But after this fallout, you think they're willing to release more?

• 26:29Speaker 04

  In my mind, I'm like, what does Trump have to lose? Everyone thinks that he's already implicated. Everyone thinks that he's already, like, his reputation has already been dragged through the mud so much.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  Well, what's the other half? If, if, if we got the half that's already...

• 26:41Speaker 04

  That's my point. Everyone already, he's the President of the United States and everyone thinks that he's already done the most treacherous, debaucherous crimes against women.

• 26:46Mark Gagnon?

  What he has to lose is that, all the information of him actually being on that shit.

• 26:50Speaker 04

  The confirmation, but it affects everyone else also. His reputation's already tarnished.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  He don't give a fuck about other people.

• 26:58Speaker 04

  But I'm saying, if, if all the information comes out, like, a rising tide lifts all boats, a lowering tide lowers all boats. And he's already at the bottom of the ocean, so he's like, yeah, just bring everyone else down. And he's the last one standing because his reputation is already destroyed.

• 27:10Mark Gagnon?

  I don't...

• 27:11Speaker 03

  So you think that, so what is he worried? That like, there won't be enough room in the jail? Like, what, what is it, like, yeah, we all go down, maybe I won't go to jail because it's too full?

• 27:22Speaker 04

  I mean, I'm just saying.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  Yo, is that what they're building those concentration camps for? What if it's not for ICE?

• 27:27Speaker 04

  Oh, for the elites.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Then we like it. All of a sudden, we're okay with it, right? If they just got all locked up in those things they're building, that's fine.

• 27:35Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 27:35Speaker 03

  And we get to view them.

• 27:38Mark Gagnon?

  If they were building like pretty resorts, then I would believe that, but...

• 27:41Speaker 03

  No, make them fucking suffer.

• 27:44Speaker 03

  Don't you think?

• 27:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  You want pretty resorts for the people that have been trafficking children?

• 27:48Mark Gagnon?

  Trump is building his future home, so I think he would make it nice.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, but he doesn't think it's for him.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  But we know it is.

• 27:55Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, man.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. Allegedly, this is all alleged.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  Allegedly.

• 27:59Speaker 03

  All the people that are in power, we just want to let you know, this is all alleged.

• 28:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. No one did anything wrong.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  No one has done anything wrong.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  Which, for the record, I'm not an expert on this. I'm not a journalist. This is just me with an internet connection, Google and shit, trying to figure it out.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:13Speaker 04

  We should get an expert.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  Well, next week, we're gonna have a, uh, we're gonna have an interesting one for you. Put it that way.

• 28:19Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 28:19Speaker 03

  We're gonna do a nice little deep dive.

• 28:21Mark Gagnon?

  So they can break it down for real, but now we can just beef.

• 28:24Speaker 03

  Now, we're gonna talk our shit.

• 28:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:26Speaker 03

  Because it's a lot of shit.

• 28:27Speaker 04

  Let, let us get to the bottom of it.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  All of our tour dates in less than 30 seconds. Providence, Rhode Island, March 28th. Los Angeles with Jelly Roll, the Greek Theater, part of the Netflix Comedy Festival. That's May 8th. August 8th, Halifax, Nova Scotia. Mark, go.

• 28:43Speaker 04

  Washington DC and Charlotte, North Carolina, the weekend of February 19th. I can't wait to see you guys there. Peace and love.

• 28:48Speaker 03

  Are those images of the guy that looks exactly like him? And is real real?

• 28:54Speaker 06

  Have you seen this?

• 28:54Mark Gagnon?

  No, you guys are blowing my mind.

• 28:57Speaker 06

  Somehow Al doesn't know about this. You've been so Puerto Rican since the halftime show.

• 29:01Mark Gagnon?

  The only thing about Epstein that's on my timeline is Jay-Z. That's the only fucking thing.

• 29:07Speaker 03

  Did you see Jack Dorsey wearing, he's the guy from Twitter?

• 29:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 29:10Speaker 03

  Wearing the Epstein shirt right next to Jay in the booth at the Super Bowl?

• 29:15Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  So him and Jay are in the booth together?

• 29:17Mark Gagnon?

  As AI.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  Wait.

• 29:19Mark Gagnon?

  I see him as AI.

• 29:20Speaker 03

  Stop it. Go get the picture of Jay-Z and Jack Dorsey, I think his name is.

• 29:25Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 29:26Speaker 06

  Dorsey's wearing an Epstein shirt?

• 29:28Speaker 03

  It's just a black shirt with the yellow writing that just says Epstein on it. And then right next to him is Jay-Z.

• 29:35Mark Gagnon?

  I'm sure the shirt means like, hey, release the files, right? That's like some.

• 29:40Speaker 03

  I'm wondering if it's like a protective thing, which is basically like, I'm gonna be in a booth at the Super Bowl. The chances that 90% of the people around me have fucked kids on an island are high. I need to wear this shirt to make it clear that I'm not down with that shit.

• 29:56Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, that's a weird way to do it.

• 29:59Speaker 06

  Apparently it's fake sadly.

• 30:00Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 30:01Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, see? He's wearing them on, you fucking boomer.

• 30:04Speaker 06

  He's wearing a shirt that apparently says Satoshi on it in the same font.

• 30:07Speaker 03

  Like, uh, the crypto, the Bitcoin.

• 30:10Mark Gagnon?

  You can get caught by that.

• 30:13Speaker 03

  I asked if it was real.

• 30:14Mark Gagnon?

  What did you act? You said, did you?

• 30:16Speaker 03

  Do you think they rolled out, do you think they rolled out? AI on purpose?

• 30:22Speaker 06

  To fuck with you?

• 30:23Speaker 03

  Nah, fuck with you?

• 30:27Speaker 06

  There's a great conspiracy around this.

• 30:28Speaker 03

  Which is?

• 30:29Speaker 06

  That like letting the Epstein files out at the same time that AI is becoming like incredibly hard to tell the difference between was a, was a planned timeline.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. Because now you just completely distort reality. We don't know what to believe. We don't know what is true, what is false, and every bit of information we consume, it looks so salacious that it can't possibly be true. And we're consuming things that are not true, that aren't even that crazy. Like him just wearing the Epstein shirt, that could be done not out of support for Epstein, but he's basically, it's like when people are wearing the Epstein didn't kill himself merch. Do you remember that? Like, I thought he was doing it out of protest of the powerful individuals he might be seated next to in the booth.

• 31:07Speaker 06

  I mean, the shirt's kinda tough to be honest.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  The Satoshi one's kinda fire.

• 31:10Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, it's like-

• 31:11Speaker 03

  Hell of a glow up too, man. He looks like, uh, Jason Bourne.

• 31:14Speaker 04

  Oh, Dorsey?

• 31:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  Nah, he's got a piece.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  You're not going crazy.

• 31:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. Nice beard, good hairline, tan.

• 31:22Mark Gagnon?

  He sees that forehead, he's trying to do that.

• 31:24Speaker 03

  He's always trying to make big foreheads a thing.

• 31:27Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying, some of the worst guys ever. Big brain time, that's what it is.

• 31:30Mark Gagnon?

  Stonehead, right?

• 31:30Speaker 03

  Alright, so, uh, let's go. What are the craziest things we've seen in the Epstein files? Bill Gates catching an STD.

• 31:36Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, we talked about that on Patreon a little bit.

• 31:38Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:39Speaker 04

  Which, for the record, hilarious.

• 31:41Speaker 03

  What?

• 31:41Speaker 04

  Hilarious comments on Patreon.

• 31:43Speaker 03

  Why? What'd they say?

• 31:44Mark Gagnon?

  Patreon is for Patreon.

• 31:46Speaker 04

  Because we had David filling-

• 31:47Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, shit.

• 31:48Speaker 03

  Oh, god.

• 31:48Speaker 04

  And the comments were just ripping.

• 31:50Speaker 03

  They're killing him?

• 31:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 31:51Speaker 03

  They're killing him?

• 31:51Speaker 04

  Cause all the comments been like, "I tried to give this guy a chance. What a douchebag." Put his foot on the table the first minute. What's wrong with him?

• 31:59Speaker 03

  Who called, who called, uh, David a hate sponge?

• 32:02Speaker 04

  Me.

• 32:08Speaker 03

  He just absorbs all the hate?

• 32:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you ever have a controversy, if, you know, there's some heat on you, you hang out with David, people go, "That guy's worse." And then just sucks to him, dude, immediately.

• 32:18Mark Gagnon?

  Shit.

• 32:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's kinda smart. Just keep that in mind.

• 32:22Mark Gagnon?

  We need a little David in the room.

• 32:24Speaker 03

  Okay, so is the, is the-

• 32:26Speaker 04

  The Bill Gates thing is wild.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  Is it true? Is it an actual email correspondence?

• 32:29Speaker 04

  Kind of. From what I'm able to understand, they did obviously meet up and talk post 2008 conviction.

• 32:35Speaker 03

  Right.

• 32:35Speaker 04

  But-

• 32:36Speaker 03

  We know that.

• 32:37Speaker 04

  There's like, two different kinda things happening in the emails. There's the emails with Bill Gates reaching out to Jeffrey Epstein, asking for stuff. And the story as it's coming up on Twitter, which again, I'm not an expert, allegedly, is on all this. Don't sue me. But basically, he's saying-

• 32:56Speaker 04

  Basically, Bill Gates is saying, "I need antibiotics from Jeffrey Epstein, so I can surreptitiously put it into my wife Melinda's drinks, because I did contract an STD after being with Russian prostitutes." Now, why is he going to Epstein? What's all this about? The most interesting thing to me is that there's an email from Jeffrey Epstein to himself, basically laying all of this out in very plain English about Bill Gates. And it seems like it's supposed to be sent to Bill or someone within his circle. Basically, what feels like a blackmail email. Basically saying like, you know, if you want to do this deal, that's fine, but you know, let the record show that I helped you out with this and you've reached out to me for this thing and you reached out to me about these antibiotics with these Russian prostitutes, et cetera. Whether that email actually got sent to Bill, we don't know.

• 33:41Speaker 04

  But the fact that it's drafted to himself in such a way that makes it seem like he's trying to extort Bill Gates is crazy.

• 33:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 33:49Speaker 04

  And just really validates what a lot of people feel about this guy being, you know, some type of espionage spy blackmailing the operator.

• 33:56Mark Gagnon?

  I think he meant to send it to himself because like, for me, if I want some, to keep something important, I'll text it to myself and now I just go to my Texas shirt and I know all the important shit.

• 34:05Speaker 04

  And you keep it on, on deck and that way if something happens, you can just fire it off to him immediately.

• 34:09Mark Gagnon?

  Exactly.

• 34:10Speaker 04

  So, that's sort of the, the story with that. Why is Bill Gates reaching out to Epstein specifically? So yeah, this is to Jeffrey Epstein from himself, which JE Vacation is still just like the funniest thing to me. But he's doing like a vacation email is how he's like conducting like his entire criminal enterprise. Jeffrey Epstein's sweepstakes, it's just like hilarious to me. Regardless, he basically says, uh, towards the bottom. Um, I have not come to this decision quickly or without a great deal of thought during the past few weeks. I've caught a, caught up in a severe marital dispute between Bill and Melinda. I have the greatest respect for my friend of seven years, making the date very specific. I wish them both well.

• 34:54Speaker 04

  In my role as his right hand, I have been asked on multiple occasions and in hindsight, wrongly acquiesced into participating in things that have ranged from morally inappropriate to ethically unsound and have been repeatedly asked to do things that get near and potentially over the line into illegality. Though it was kindly suggested I would make a transaction to a new position over my six years of service, yada, yada, generous package. I felt it would be dishonest to myself from helping Bill get drugs in order to deal with consequences of sex with Russian girls to facilitating his illegal trysts with married women to be, being asked to provide Adderall for bridge tournaments. Hilarious detail. I feel I owe it to my friends and future colleagues to admit a moral failure and to ask forgiveness and to move on with my life. So it's like this stepping down email to a bunch of people where he includes all the fucks

• 35:39Speaker 04

  that Bill ever asked him to do, including getting Adderall for a bridge tournament, which is just so funny.

• 35:45Speaker 03

  What's bridge?

• 35:46Speaker 04

  It's like a game old people play, like a card game. But imagine hitting the best and be like, yo, I need the Addies.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  That's.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  I need the Addies because we're playing cards. And Bill Gates is like, I'm not getting fucked over by Larry Summers and Tom Fritzger anymore at this bridge tournament on the island.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  Locked in.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, I need to be absolutely dialed. It's just so funny to me.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 36:07Speaker 04

  Crazy, right?

• 36:07Speaker 03

  Why would he send that email to himself?

• 36:10Speaker 04

  Having it on deck so that he can fire it off to.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  Is he sending a warning shot to all these different people?

• 36:16Speaker 04

  Well, I don't know who it got sent to. I'm assuming he got sent to himself to log it.

• 36:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, and does someone else, i.e. some like intelligence agency, have access to his email? And this is like a reminder to them? Hey, by the way, we got something on Bill in case you need it.

• 36:30Speaker 04

  Possible.

• 36:31Speaker 03

  Why would he not just call? Was email technology so new that all these boomers were like, there's no way they'll be able to hack it? Right? Because they're speaking quite comfortably on email.

• 36:42Speaker 04

  I mean, he's been navigating in this world for a long time.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  But the other guys are also doing it.

• 36:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:49Speaker 03

  Like, the other people emailing him are doing it with no regard for their own personal safety.

• 36:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:54Speaker 03

  Especially if you're like involved in nefarious activity. You think that you'd be like, I don't want there to be a paper trail of this.

• 36:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:59Speaker 03

  Like, this is, this is Bill Gates, a billionaire, drawing a hooker.

• 37:05Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. Allegedly.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  Allegedly. Like, isn't that like number one thing you don't do? Like, even if you have nothing, you don't draw a hook out?

• 37:17Speaker 04

  I'm saying, like, if he's a wild boy and he's moving around like this.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  But the cost of drawing a hooker to all of your other, like, fathering a kid out of wedlock.

• 37:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:26Speaker 03

  Insane to a guy like that.

• 37:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. But I also think he has the type of money he can have people disappear if he wanted to.

• 37:32Speaker 03

  So now you're adding like a crazier layer there, which is like, okay, if I do get this girl pregnant, they'll just be sulfuric acid.

• 37:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:41Speaker 03

  Got it. Yeah. Wow, that's, that's some gnarly.

• 37:45Speaker 04

  Which apparently industrial amounts of sulfuric acid was sent to Epstein's island.

• 37:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, the day after he was indicted, right? Like, he gets the indictment and then like thirty gallons of it are sent to the island. And that's probably for other stuff.

• 37:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  You know, it's probably not to just melt the body of children.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  A guy can't buy some sulfuric acid anymore.

• 38:03Speaker 03

  Just for you and the boys?

• 38:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  You got a big bridge tournament? You don't know what's gonna go on after that. You gotta light some shit on fire.

• 38:09Speaker 04

  Bro.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:10Speaker 04

  Imagine playing a card game with your boys, being like, I need drugs from a pedophile. I mean, bro, you're taking it way too serious.

• 38:17Speaker 03

  Also, there's no way you can't get Adderall at the office. Like, you work with engineers.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  Call the guy that invented Adderall.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  Exactly. Why are you going to fucking Jeffrey Epstein unless Adderall is code for something else? And bridge is code for something else.

• 38:31Speaker 04

  Ooh. I need Adderall for bridge. I actually need.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  Viagra for kids.

• 38:38Speaker 04

  Ah, they fucking got him. You guys fucking crack.

• 38:42Speaker 03

  See, we crack the case every single time. This is not funny. Why is he so happy about this? Cause it rhymes. At the end of the day.

• 38:51Speaker 04

  It's just like, ooh, that was clever. Just you guys be like, bro, we fucking got him, bro.

• 38:58Speaker 03

  That's the other part of this, is like solving it. You do feel like Scooby Doo a little bit.

• 39:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  You know?

• 39:04Speaker 04

  Everybody's detectives with this shit.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  It does put you in that position and there is something. Like, imagine.

• 39:13Speaker 04

  Kids are getting fucked, bro.

• 39:15Speaker 03

  I know, it's bad, it's bad. Funny, you look like Howard Lutner.

• 39:19Speaker 04

  I know, I know.

• 39:20Speaker 03

  What a fucking sociopath. Is that all this is? Also, it's just like, when you collect sociopaths at the highest level and they're all engaging with one another, they can operate with somewhat normalcy while all this is going on. Like, the average person would be like shitting themselves, right?

• 39:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  Like, the average person that had sent insane emails to Jeffrey Epstein is probably not coming on the podcast and being a dick when Mark asks him what his stack is.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  The average person.

• 39:54Mark Gagnon?

  That was great.

• 39:55Speaker 03

  I just love the fact that he was shitting on you, but. Oh my God, Mark was so happy when he read. When he read Peter's name all over the files. And Peter was acting like the loosest motherfucker on the planet. He wouldn't even tell you what supplements he took. And he's fucking emailing Epstein. Oh, I wish you had your life. You're such a naughty little boy. What was his personality that he was devoid of on this podcast? That he asked to come on?

• 40:21Mark Gagnon?

  I know.

• 40:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. I asked him about supplements and he was like, I don't want to talk about supplements. And I was like, is pussy carb free? And he was like, dude, I'm glad you brought that up. Glad you asked.

• 40:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:31Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I know you felt good about that one.

• 40:33Speaker 04

  Nah, bro, come on.

• 40:34Speaker 03

  Nah, cuz you don't want.

• 40:35Speaker 04

  I don't want bad things to happen to people. I don't want, I don't want this to be true.

• 40:38Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 40:38Speaker 04

  I don't want the reality of the world to be that all of our institutions are run by satanic pedophiles.

• 40:43Speaker 03

  But if that is the case.

• 40:45Mark Gagnon?

  A little piece of.

• 40:46Speaker 04

  When they're mean to me.

• 40:48Mark Gagnon?

  Now, yes, yes. That was God right there. See?

• 40:52Speaker 04

  God works in very mysterious ways.

• 40:54Speaker 03

  Very dude.

• 40:55Speaker 04

  Those are the most mysterious ways ever. This guy was sort of subtly passive to Mark. Well, guess what?

• 41:01Speaker 03

  He.

• 41:02Speaker 04

  Him and his whole family's reputation was destroyed forever. Yeah. Shout out God, dude. This is mysterious. This is beyond me, dude. I don't get it.

• 41:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:13Speaker 04

  Any other thoughts?

• 41:17Speaker 03

  I mean, it's just insane. It is insane, the amount of people connected and how sycophantic they were towards him.

• 41:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is. There's an interesting element of like, just like, high school locker room dynamics never really changing. Like, obviously Epstein was running like this extremely vile and treacherous sex trafficking operation, much of which involving young women. And also was convicted for trying to procure a young woman for prostitution in 2008. So like, he's obviously, you know, debaucherous.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:46Speaker 04

  But the fact that he has access to women. Prostitutes, drugs, most likely. This island, extreme connections with all these people. That type of influence just draws in everyone. And the fact that everyone's like.

• 42:00Speaker 03

  You think that's?

• 42:02Speaker 04

  I think it's an element.

• 42:03Speaker 03

  The influence that draws people in?

• 42:03Speaker 04

  That's an element, at least from the Elon emails, that Elon's reaching out to him and be like, "Hey, is there a party?" And Jeffrey's like, "Oh, maybe." And he's like, "I want the craziest party of all time." I want the wildest one.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  That was the saddest shit I've ever seen, son.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  And Epstein's like, "Oh, yeah, man." Like, he's trying to talk in code.

• 42:19Speaker 03

  He curbed Elon. He was too hungry.

• 42:22Mark Gagnon?

  Is Elon the corniest billionaire?

• 42:24Speaker 03

  Dude, I mean, they're all wildly corny. It is kinda.

• 42:28Speaker 04

  No, Bezos is kinda lit, dude.

• 42:29Mark Gagnon?

  He might be the corniest.

• 42:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, but Bezos is not in it at all?

• 42:32Speaker 04

  I'm really sure, like, he's obviously, like, on emails and, like, different dinners and shit.

• 42:36Speaker 03

  Cause he was selling books online.

• 42:38Mark Gagnon?

  Bezos is on to big booty Latinas, bro.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  Exactly. Bezos is on the bendito tip.

• 42:44Speaker 03

  He was on bendito, dude. It's bendito, Al. It's bendito, get it right. It's bendito!

• 42:53Speaker 04

  We're trying to figure out this web of pedophile elites, we can't even figure out this guy's name.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  Bendito! My boy.

• 43:00Mark Gagnon?

  That's gonna be so funny.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  Shit is hard. This shit is hard getting him.

• 43:03Speaker 03

  So, so Bezos not involved at all?

• 43:05Speaker 04

  I can't say that for sure.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  Or his name isn't up in it?

• 43:08Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, I haven't even heard anyone mention his name.

• 43:10Speaker 04

  It seems like there was, like, an email for, like, dinners and shit like that. But I don't know if it's, like, he's implicated in the way that Elon and the rest of these dudes are. But, I don't know. The fact that Elon's trying to go to the parties and, uh...

• 43:25Speaker 03

  Wow, this one.

• 43:25Speaker 04

  And Epstein's just like, "Hey, man, we actually canceled the parties. Uh, the island blew up. We don't do that anymore." And just basically deadened the whole thing. It's so funny.

• 43:36Mark Gagnon?

  He sent that email on Christmas Day. This guy got, like, 11,000 kids, and on Christmas Day, he's wondering, "Where's the crazy party at?" Ain't that crazy?

• 43:49Speaker 03

  So, here's the thing, like, Elon's on this whole tirade where he's trying to expose everything online. Like, you see him doing, you know, PR on Twitter. And, you know, "I'm gonna pay for the defense of any of the victims if they wanna talk out and, uh, they're worried about getting sued, etc." But...

• 44:05Speaker 03

  It is, he is in like a unique situation because yeah, he didn't go to the island. But he desperately tried to go to the wildest party. Like if Epstein was like, ah, we just kind of have like a normal party today. He was like, well, when's the wildest one? Right? And that means he must have heard that wild shit happens at the island.

• 44:24Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  Cause why even suggest that?

• 44:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:26Speaker 03

  Like if you're going over to your nerd friend's house, you're not going, when's the wildest dinner?

• 44:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  You know, your nerd friend has boring dinners and you're like, okay, I'll just come to any dinner.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:34Speaker 03

  He's specifically asking for the wildest shit. So that means bare minimum, he heard some wild shit goes on. So bare minimum, it's hoes on the island.

• 44:44Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Legal hoes, bare minimum.

• 44:46Speaker 04

  Bare minimum.

• 44:47Speaker 03

  Right?

• 44:48Speaker 04

  I mean, I think he says so much. He's like, the amount, the ratio or something like that is going to make your girl jealous. Or make her feel uncomfortable or something like that. He's like, just the amount of women that are going to be there is going to make Tallulah uncomfortable.

• 44:59Speaker 03

  But does he try to, does he try to go with his girl?

• 45:03Speaker 04

  That's what one of them says. It's like, it's just going to be me and, me and my, my wife. So he was basically writing back like, yo, don't bring your bitch.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  Epstein was basically like, why is he trying to bring his girl?

• 45:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. It says, understood. I will see you at St. Bart's. So this is not, uh, the ratio on my island might make Tallila?

• 45:22Speaker 03

  Tallila, but Tallulah is actually.

• 45:24Speaker 04

  Okay. Yeah. Tallila uncomfortable. And then ratio is not a problem for Tallulah. Whoa. Which, lot to unpack there. Whoa.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  Also, how does Epstein type so bad? Every email has a typo. Like, like what is?

• 45:43Speaker 04

  Well, it's very good.

• 45:45Speaker 03

  Every email has a typo.

• 45:46Speaker 04

  Right. Lots of dots. Some of us.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  Can I, can we just hold on a second? Of all the things there are to be upset about.

• 45:53Speaker 04

  Okay, no, we've already talked about the things that we're upset about.

• 45:55Speaker 03

  Spelling and punctuation are the ones that are really viling you up right now?

• 45:58Speaker 04

  That's part of it. That's the thing that makes me most uncomfortable.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  This fucking Epstein guy.

• 46:01Speaker 04

  I know.

• 46:02Speaker 03

  Right?

• 46:02Speaker 04

  It's the hypocrisy.

• 46:03Speaker 03

  How does he misspell people's names?

• 46:05Speaker 04

  It's the hypocrisy. Okay. That's really what it is.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  What was that? Who said that?

• 46:09Speaker 04

  That's norm. He's talking about Cosby.

• 46:13Speaker 04

  He's like, yeah, you know, the worst part of the Cosby thing is the hypocrisy. I think he's the child. Um, but yeah, it's like, yeah, the fact that everything is misspelled.

• 46:23Speaker 03

  I'm just trying to understand that, and we've been talking about this before, but I'm, I'm just trying to understand the leverage point that he has on all these people. Right? Like you look at the, he did this interview with Steve Bannon, who was like trying to like rehab his image, right?

• 46:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  Um, and he's unimpressive in it. Like, you know, he doesn't seem like some like mastermind genius. You know, it just kind of seems like a, like a goof a little bit. Now, I'm not saying that he can't also be a smart guy and understand finance or whatever the fuck it is. But clearly he has some sort of leverage over powerful people and that leverage might have nothing to do with the kid fucking. Like I think he must have leverage over the government.

• 47:01Speaker 04

  That's interesting. I don't see it as leverage. I feel like he's just become like the fixer. He's the go-to guy for everything. So you want the hoes, you want the drugs, you want the weapons, you want fix my image.

• 47:12Speaker 03

  How do you do that without fear of retribution in some way? And I think you need to have leverage.

• 47:19Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  Right? So like my, my assumption with him is that like he was doing money laundering. By money laundering, I don't mean like breaking bad shit where you're putting money through a fucking car wash, you don't have to pay taxes. I'm talking about like moving weapons from different countries, right? In order to do that, like in order to get like American weapons into Iran so they can fight Iraq. You need some sort of middleman now. I think there was a time back in the day where America could just do it itself. And then you were bringing up, it was like the church act or something like that.

• 47:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, church committee.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  The church committee, basically where now you need to disclose exactly what's going on. And then the United States government is like, well, we can't do that because we're fucking breaking the law around the world.

• 47:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:53Speaker 03

  So they needed these intermediaries. So my assumption is they plucked this guy from finance. Now, if you're a brilliant financial dude, you're just going to go make hundreds of millions of dollars in finance. If you're a guy who's not very risk averse at all, but might not think that he can climb the ladder of finance, but is still a sociopathic fucking maniac who wants power and wealth, you might be willing to do a job like that. And. If in fact, he starts working for our government, other governments, and you would work with these other governments, because in order to get these weapons over there, you might need to hit up his room, be like, "Okay, we're gonna pass through here and get them there." Great Britain is gonna know about something going on, because they're an ally of ours.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  So now you're interfacing with their spy networks, you're interfacing with their, whatever their version of like a CIA is, MI6. Like, you're interfacing with all these intelligence agencies around the world, and they kind of know you as this intermediary. And now we, quote-unquote, "have to have one, so we can do bad shit around the world without it coming back to our pocketbooks," which you can check. So now, all of a sudden, he's in a position of leverage with the United States government, because he gets to go, "Listen, if you guys arrest me for this little tax thing that we're doing over here, why would you do that? Is it really worth it to do that to me, knowing what I've done for you guys? And God forbid that got out." And as long as none of this stuff became like a massive news story, because my first thought is like, "All right, why don't they just kill him? If they know that he has this leverage over them, just fucking kill him, get him out of here, no one knows who he is."

• 49:18Speaker 03

  And then I found out that, once it became a massive story, within a month, they killed him. Right? So like, he gets indicted, and I think within a month of him being indicted, he's dead, in jail.

• 49:29Mark Gagnon?

  And what about the first time around?

• 49:30Speaker 03

  Well, the first time around, he gets that little sweetheart deal. He probably gets the sweetheart deal because he's connected, but it's not such a massive story that they have to get him out of here, and he's still useful to the governments.

• 49:40Mark Gagnon?

  Ah, and they did kill the story, because there was that one girl that was about to put the story out.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  And then they killed the story. So like, all right, if this doesn't become a national news story, and things were much easier to control. Remember, back in the day, you have a handful of people that were organizing the, you know, what we're consuming on an everyday basis in the different media organizations, and those handful of people were probably on that fucking island with him, or doing other nefarious activity. Like, we see how connected the billionaire in elite class is. It's almost like every conspiracy that you could possibly concoct about the ultra-wealthy has been proven true here. Like, this idea that, like, there's this, what is it? There's a, there's a group of insiders, what was Julian saying? There's that famous quote, it's like, there's a...

• 50:21Mark Gagnon?

  It was a great big club, and you ain't in it.

• 50:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. You know, and, um, who said it?

• 50:26Mark Gagnon?

  George Carlin.

• 50:27Speaker 03

  Carlin said it, yeah. And, um, so yeah, to me, it's like, he must have some leverage on the government. And then I was speaking to Saagar about this, and he said that multiple times, he, what is it called, FOIA?

• 50:37Mark Gagnon?

  FOIA.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  FOIA.

• 50:39Mark Gagnon?

  Freedom of Information Act.

• 50:40Speaker 03

  So, multiple times, and then he pressed whom for that? The CIA?

• 50:46Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 50:47Speaker 03

  FBI?

• 50:47Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 50:47Speaker 03

  Anyone can do a FOIA.

• 50:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:49Speaker 03

  About yourself. Yeah, about anything. Well, he did, he asked the government to look up his file or his connection. He did the Freedom of Information Act and he did that twice. On himself. On himself. And to me, what that is, it's a messaging to the government like, hey, you might want to look up. Like, things may have changed and the people in charge may have changed, but I want the current ones to know what I've done. Hmm. So I want you guys to do a little research. Now you know, you're gonna let me get away with this shit. Or now you know, hey, listen, this bank, you know, they did some tax evasion shit. I think the Rothschild Bank in Switzerland, there was an email. And like, they paid Epstein like 25 million bucks to like, decrease the settlement for them. And it's like, well, why was he able to decrease the settlement? Settlement? Well, it's like, well, maybe he knows some people on the inside and he has some leverage in the United States government.

• 51:34Speaker 03

  He's like, hey, can you do me a favor? Let's not make this ugly. Mm hmm. You know? And, um, but again, in order for all these people to have such a sycophantic relationship with him, he needs to have leverage over somebody incredibly powerful. And then with that leverage he has over those incredibly powerful people, he can then gain leverage over all these other people. But he needs to come from a point of strength at one point. Hmm. Right? Like, why else is everybody kissing his ass? Initially come from? Exactly. It's like, cause he's rich. It's like, there's so many people that are rich. Yeah. Right? Like, there needs to be some power structure that is put in place with him. And my assumption is that he basically had dirt on not only our government, but every other government that he was working for or working with. And that put him in a uniquely powerful situation where he didn't really have to abide by the law.

• 52:18Speaker 03

  And when he did break it, they would let him get off. Hmm. And it seems to be that is the case until the story got so popular that they were like, alright, well now it's just, it's cheaper to kill you. Is what they thought. Hmm. Yeah. Again, I don't know. Poke holes in this. Tell me where I'm off.

• 52:33Speaker 04

  No, the thing that I'm so curious about is like, how early it goes. Because like, his whole come up is still so vague. Like, we think we kind of understand it, but like, he, you know, goes to school in New York, graduates, whatever.

• 52:46Speaker 03

  I don't think he graduates. I think he doesn't even-

• 52:47Speaker 04

  Graduates high school.

• 52:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, high school.

• 52:49Speaker 04

  Goes to college, drops out of college.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:51Speaker 04

  And then is immediately hired at like, the most prestigious-

• 52:54Speaker 03

  This private school.

• 52:55Speaker 04

  The Dalton School.

• 52:56Speaker 03

  Dalton.

• 52:57Speaker 04

  And the headmaster at the time is, is William Barr or Donald Barr.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  Which is William Barr's dad.

• 53:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:04Speaker 03

  And William Barr, before he was the headmaster, started what will be the CIA.

• 53:09Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:09Speaker 03

  Hmm. I think it was called something else back in the day. We can look at that. Do you know what it was called? Prior to, uh, anyway, it was under a different name at the time.

• 53:17Speaker 04

  The OSS?

• 53:18Speaker 06

  Office of Strategic Services.

• 53:20Speaker 03

  You're right, OSS. Damn, my boy. Okay, Jorge, come on, Jorge.

• 53:32Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  But yeah, it's like, the fact that early on, he's getting connected with these elite circles. And from that school is allegedly when he starts meeting really prominent parents of kids that are going there. And then is connecting with these parents and then moving up the ranks, getting to Bear Stearns, et cetera.

• 53:48Speaker 03

  So he gets the Bears.

• 53:49Speaker 04

  But I'm like, he gets this first thing. And I think people overlook that. How difficult is that job to get?

• 53:54Speaker 03

  To get a job as a teacher at a private school?

• 53:56Speaker 04

  The most prestigious private school without having a college degree?

• 53:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 54:00Speaker 04

  So is he already being groomed at that point? Is he already being set up?

• 54:03Mark Gagnon?

  You don't think that's crazy?

• 54:06Speaker 04

  Is he getting set up by the time he's 19, 20 years old to run this life as a spy?

• 54:10Mark Gagnon?

  Like, to be a teacher at a public school, you need a masters.

• 54:13Speaker 03

  Not back in the day. We're talking about like, I think they would let any idiot teach back in the day. I actually think it was, I think it was actually quite common where like.

• 54:22Mark Gagnon?

  Look this up, cause I think you just talked shit right now.

• 54:25Speaker 04

  Also, the weirdest thing about this photo, his name is spelled wrong. I always thought that was so weird.

• 54:30Speaker 03

  What, the, it's I before E?

• 54:32Speaker 04

  No, it's, it is T I N E. His name is T E I N.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  That's what I see right, that's what it says.

• 54:39Speaker 04

  No, E P S T I N E.

• 54:41Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, you're talking about on the board. Oh, shit.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 54:45Mark Gagnon?

  And he wrote that.

• 54:47Speaker 04

  I always thought, like, is like a joke? Like, I don't know.

• 54:49Speaker 03

  Oh, that's not even his name.

• 54:51Speaker 04

  It's just a weird ripple to me. I'm like, why is that like that? Anyway.

• 54:55Speaker 03

  That's not.

• 54:58Speaker 03

  Go back to the image, cause I don't know if people are noticing this. Okay, so it looks like, oh, and scroll, zoom out a little bit. So it looks like a yearbook picture or something was taken.

• 55:09Speaker 03

  And at the bottom. Printed is his name. It says math science teacher and his name is spelled correctly. On the blackboard in the background of the image, his name is spelled E.P.S.T.I.N.E. And the E is kind of cut off. And why would he spell his name incorrectly? Or is it a student that spelled his name?

• 55:29Speaker 04

  Is he doing like a joke like, oh, I'm the teacher. I'm the new guy. I can't even spell my name. Like, I don't know.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Okay, so you're thinking that he could be groomed from a very young age. So the question is-

• 55:37Speaker 04

  And then he gets on the Rockefeller board.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  Like, how soon after this?

• 55:41Speaker 04

  I don't even know, maybe like four years, something like that. And his explanation with Bannon is so weird. His explanation with Bannon is this, I think it's like at Bear Stearns. And he's like, yeah, you see at the time, like, you know, if you had a calculator, one of the TI-84 calculators, you could do all these very professional computations. You had a huge advantage. And so they poached me and they say, you're gonna be on the board of the Rockefeller thing. Because I had a calcul- I'm like, whoa, what? Because you have a calculator, you're now like on the board of this extremely prestigious organization?

• 56:10Speaker 03

  At what age is he on the board?

• 56:11Speaker 04

  Like 20 something.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  So this is before Bear Stearns?

• 56:14Speaker 04

  I think it was while he's at Bear Stearns.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 56:15Speaker 04

  So he spelled boob with his calculator.

• 56:20Speaker 04

  Like, a calculator? So it got you in? I'm like, that's crazy.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  What division was he working at at Bear Stearns?

• 56:25Speaker 04

  I think he was just like a trader. And then like, he was like working his way up.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  My, my understanding is that they placed him in a specific division. Right? And that division could have been used if you were going to launder money to, you know, what's it called? Transfer weapons around the world. Like, if the United States government is doing it, they're not doing it through their own banks. So you're gonna have to find a bank with influence where you can transfer these funds or do other stuff. I forget what the division, BRCC or something like that? Can you look that up? Like, what division was he at at Bear Stearns?

• 56:56Speaker 04

  Then you just said one of the names of-

• 56:58Speaker 06

  He swiftly moved up from an options trader working in the special products division and then advised the bank's wealthiest clients. That's all I have there.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  What was it? Oh, yeah, Black Rifle Coffee. But I think it was that. I know, yeah, he was working with Black Rifle Coffee. America's coffee. America's coffee.

• 57:19Speaker 06

  Gagaw. Gagaw. Special Products Division.

• 57:23Speaker 04

  Special Products Division at Bear Stearns. Quickly advancing to be wealthy clients on tax mitigation strategies before becoming a limited partner.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  Hmm, and then he gets fired, right?

• 57:32Speaker 04

  Following a violation. But I'm like, look, we can all speculate how he gets his money. Is it Les Wexner? Is it, you know, Robert Maxwell's secret fortune, dah dah dah dah? Or is he being set up from the time that he's 19 years old to be inserted into these institutions?

• 57:48Speaker 03

  So why him?

• 57:49Speaker 04

  That's what I'm, that's what I don't understand.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  What does he show at 19 years of age that they're gonna let him be one of the most powerful and influential people on the planet?

• 57:56Speaker 04

  That's what I don't get. It could have just been coincidence in that, of course, the person that's going to get connected to all these things is the person that's in these institutions, so therefore it's just like, you know, survivor bias? I don't know.

• 58:06Speaker 03

  Julian Dory hit us with a fantastic, I don't even, what would you frame this as? Cause he's not presenting, he's not presenting this as fact.

• 58:16Speaker 04

  A theory.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  A fantastic theory.

• 58:18Speaker 04

  A story, a narrative, not like the soap opera?

• 58:21Speaker 03

  So, I guess the lawyer, what was his name? Edwards? Who was representing some of the girls that he had assaulted and trafficked down in Palm Beach. I believe if I'm not mistaken, the lawyer, something Edwards? Okay. I believe I could be butchering this. He gets access to interview Epstein's longtime, like, um, house cleaner, house manager. Yeah, Bradley James Edwards. I'm pretty sure this is the case. And they do an interview with him. And one of the things he says is like, yeah, Epstein was like kinda wealthy, like, you know, when I knew him, he was living on the Upper East Side or whatever like that. And then in 1992, shit changed.

• 59:05Speaker 03

  He gets the mansion, the houses, talking about buying jets and everything. So like, something happened around that time. And then Julian says...

• 59:17Speaker 03

  Um, in 1991, Robert Maxwell is, is he found guilty? Or is he killed?

• 59:25Speaker 04

  He passes away suddenly after falling off a boat.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  Robert Maxwell is Ghislaine Maxwell's father.

• 59:30Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, this story I'm familiar with.

• 59:31Speaker 03

  And people are saying Mossad spy, but he was also like this media magnet in the UK. And.

• 59:38Speaker 04

  Falls off a boat.

• 59:39Speaker 03

  Falls off a boat, dies, you know, always happens. Um, but what had happened is that he was getting.

• 59:47Mark Gagnon?

  He just tried to do a back, backflip for the first time.

• 59:49Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 59:50Mark Gagnon?

  That was it. That shit happened, bro.

• 59:52Speaker 03

  But what had happened is apparently his companies had gone broke and he was stealing money from the pension funds of people in the UK. And you've heard this story.

• 59:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:01Speaker 03

  What Julian posits is that that is not the case and that they didn't go broke and that he hired Epstein to essentially extract all of his wealth using his ability to like move and launder money without detection around the world. And he takes the wealth on himself. And Ghislaine is at his hip because that's her access to his fortune. Or which is really her fortune. But if it maintained under Maxwell's name, obviously it would go back and pay all those people that they stole money from, et cetera. All the wealth would be seized. Like they seized everything else, even though there was, I guess, nothing there besides like real estate. Anyway, interesting theory how he can go from 1991 to 1992, you know, be worth hundreds of millions of dollars out of nowhere.

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  Who knows if it's actually true? And having money is important.

• 1:00:49Mark Gagnon?

  Maybe she's the mastermind and all.

• 1:00:50Speaker 03

  Well, some people say that.

• 1:00:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've heard people say that.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  Some people say that, that he's actually working for her.

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  Cause it's working out for her.

• 1:00:56Mark Gagnon?

  What was the Reddit shit you, you told me about the other day?

• 1:00:58Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. The Maxwell Hill thing. Did I say about this?

• 1:01:00Speaker 03

  This is, no, that the account that was being.

• 1:01:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, that this theory is that she's the one that is moderating world news and a bunch of other massive subreddits on Reddit. Controlling the daily narrative of what people digest about the world.

• 1:01:12Mark Gagnon?

  Learned it from her dad.

• 1:01:14Speaker 04

  Her dad, obviously a media mogul. And yeah, is basically just like learns how to control information. She starts the account shortly after Epstein allegedly starts the account, if this is her. Shortly after Epstein is arrested in like 2006. And yeah, basically is posting every day, 12 times a day about world news, geopolitics, all this stuff under this account called Maxwell Hill. And then in 2020, when she's arrested, the account goes ghost and doesn't post to this day. So people are like, yeah, it's pretty obviously her. She has like different sort of British little aphorisms inside the messages and things that she's posting. She says that her birthday is in December, like the account person says that her birthday is in December. Her birthday is December 25th.

• 1:01:57Speaker 06

  There are gaps within when she posts that line up with her mother dying, like a three or four day gap. And then also another gap where she's speaking at a conference of some sort.

• 1:02:09Speaker 04

  So it could be coincidental. It could be the fact that there's an account with the Maxwell thing, Ghislaine Maxwell, and that's all lining up is possible.

• 1:02:15Mark Gagnon?

  And then moderators have so much power on Reddit to make some stuff more popular than others. So now you're controlling what people see.

• 1:02:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, have you, I mean, the fact that Epstein is meeting up with the 4chan dude way early in the game.

• 1:02:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, can you break this down?

• 1:02:29Speaker 04

  I mean, to my knowledge, basically the emails reveal that like in 2010, 2011, something in that window, Epstein is meeting up with this guy Moot, who is the creator of 4chan, which is just another sort of anonymous messaging board that is massive and can really like sway sort of public opinion on the internet. And basically after meeting with Epstein, the subreddit pole, politics is created. Now, is that because Epstein wanted him to create it? Is it because he met this guy and was like, oh, this guy is like a power player, like I should create a subreddit or like a, you know, 4chan board to like talk about him, yada, yada. Why it was created is difficult to say.

• 1:03:04Speaker 06

  It was created the day after they met.

• 1:03:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. But the fact that Epstein is like keeping tabs on these. Media power brokers in this new era of information and information transfer is very interesting to me. That at this point, he's probably like, what, like 50 something? And he's tapping in with like, deep cut internet shit. Did you know about 4chan? No. In 2010? You know what I mean? So like, he's more savvy about what the new wave of propaganda and media is than almost anyone else. And to me, that's just like another really illuminating part of this whole thing. That like, if Ghislaine is doing the Reddit thing and he's tapping into the 4chan guy, it's like, oh, they're actively trying to control what the narratives are around this new generation of media. And they were completely right about how people were gonna consume media in the future.

• 1:03:48Speaker 04

  A big bet that he makes, you know, 15 years ago, on 4chan and on Reddit, turns out that they actually are the hubs of where people get information. Hmm. I don't know. I find that to be very interesting. Now, it could all just be coincidence and bullshit, who knows? I'm not an expert.

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• 1:05:34Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. I mean, the 4chan shit is crazy. Or the Fortnite thing.

• 1:05:38Speaker 03

  Oh, go.

• 1:05:39Speaker 04

  Have you heard about this?

• 1:05:40Speaker 03

  I have. I heard that Fortnite debunked it.

• 1:05:42Speaker 04

  Is that what it was?

• 1:05:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:43Speaker 04

  There's a theory that went around that was fantastic. That basically...

• 1:05:46Speaker 03

  But also Fortnite debunked it, but also is the CEO of Fortnite in the fucking file. You go with the theory.

• 1:05:53Speaker 04

  I mean, to my understanding, as it came up, okay, it says Epic Games debunks, Fireball, Epstein, Fortnite account claims. Basically, there was this thing where Epstein had an Apple account, I believe, that was connected to an Xbox account or something to that extent with the name LittlestJeff1. And then someone found a Fortnite account with the same name.

• 1:06:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:06:17Speaker 04

  And they made this jump, basically, to say that these are the same people. So Epstein legitimately had a LittlestJeff1 account, but then there's also this other Fortnite account. And the account had been buying stuff through the time that Epstein was alleged to have died. So people are basically saying, is it possible Epstein's alive? And he got discovered via...

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  There's multiple cool wrinkles about the Fortnite thing because he recognizes the value of, like, in-game money.

• 1:06:43Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  And essentially is a form of almost like crypto.

• 1:06:47Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:48Speaker 03

  And he's seeing this and he's going, oh, wow, people are buying gold or whatever to buy products within the game. And this money within the game is actual utility.

• 1:06:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, there are robust digital economies that the Fed or the SEC are not touching.

• 1:07:02Speaker 03

  So now, if you're a guy who's in money laundering and you're looking for clever ways to move money around the world undetected in a world that has become increasingly, I would imagine, skeptical of how money moves around. Maybe not. Maybe all the elites are down and they're part of it and they're making it possible, but... I don't think it's that crazy for him to be like, hey, I play this video game. I'm going to transfer you $20 million to do whatever fucking horrible thing that you need to do in this game. Now, I wonder if they can track them in the game. I wonder if you can get Fortnite to hand over whatever documents.

• 1:07:37Mark Gagnon?

  Gamer nerds are pedophiles? That's crazy. Who would think?

• 1:07:43Speaker 04

  World of Warcraft is also involved in this. Like, the idea that people were, they were buying money from a company that Steve Bannon owned in China that would get in-game money for World of Warcraft, that you'd be able to buy and then buy in-game items and sell. So there was like a laundering idea that Steve Bannon and Epstein were laundering money through World of Warcraft in 2008.

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  I mean, again, I don't know how this exactly works, but let's say you are doing it. Let's say you're in China, right? You need to get your Chinese money out of China. You don't trust it.

• 1:08:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  You're buying all this stuff within the video game. Maybe China allows this video game. And then someone on the other end, you're buying that from. You're buying all these things that you don't even fucking need. And then someone on the other end that you're buying them from now has your actual real money. And that's turned into whatever currency you want it to be turned into. So now your money's out. Now you don't have to buy a duplex in Vancouver. You don't have to go through this whole rigmarole to like own real estate that you're not even going to use to get your money out. Anyway, he's clearly looking for clever ways to move money around undetected. Now, why would you move money around undetected? Now, you're a rich guy. You want to not pay taxes, which it seems like none of them do, and fuck all of them because of that.

• 1:08:50Speaker 03

  But what if you need to move money around because you need to do some pretty nefarious shit around the world?

• 1:08:56Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:08:57Speaker 03

  You know, what if you need to pay underage prostitutes?

• 1:09:00Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  Well, that was another-

• 1:09:02Mark Gagnon?

  I don't think they were getting paid.

• 1:09:05Speaker 03

  Somebody's getting paid, maybe not them.

• 1:09:08Speaker 04

  Those are the, that was one of the emails, like the procurement process is what people are talking about this. This is a guy, Siad, if you could look at the files, S-I-A-D, it was his last name. And basically, he just went through this whole sort of system with this guy, I forget his first name, but last name Siad, or Syed, I think. And then Jean-Luc Brunel, and then, yeah, this guy, Daniel Syed. And Jeffrey Epstein, basically saying, hey, this guy's going to find us people around Europe. He's going to procure women for us, and then he will then be compensated $3,000 a month for these services. Second. Euros. Euros. Sorry. And basically in these emails, it lays out this whole thing allegedly of how women would be procured through these modeling contracts to then get into Epstein's web.

• 1:09:53Speaker 04

  Which was just another thing that like a lot of people speculated like, oh, how did this all work? It was a very systemic, organized process that was very businesslike, whereas like you had this person that brought in women and then women would then come in, they would likely be victims slash survivors and then they would also, many of the women on the inside would then act as procures for other women. Ah, yeah. They would be on the inside. Florida. And it was like an MLM, like you would basically bring in women, either they would get brainwashed, they would be victimized, they would be given a deal, I don't know, and then they would then procure other women. And it was just this entire web and this email, once again, just kind of puts into concrete detail of how these systems work allegedly.

• 1:10:32Speaker 03

  Why aren't the women saying names? Well, I think, one, that's a good question, but two, it's like, if it is a complex web, why don't we know any of the other figures that are involved? Like, why are we just hearing about this Daniel Syad guy?

• 1:10:45Speaker 04

  The FBI said there is no one else involved.

• 1:10:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, okay, so it's probably nothing.

• 1:10:49Speaker 04

  Exactly. So, I mean, 2008, there was like other co-conspirators that were named in that original conviction that all kind of got swept away. Epstein was the only one. And then served like an extremely reduced sentence and like all of his charges were reduced.

• 1:11:02Speaker 03

  Question about this, question about this specifically, then I want to hear what you have to say.

• 1:11:05Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 1:11:06Speaker 03

  It's like, okay, it seems obvious from this late, the latest tranche of files that just came out, right? You have all these people, incredibly wealthy, powerful people that are connected. Right? And while they, while some of them might not have done anything horrendous, like maybe Peter Attia didn't do anything horrendous, maybe he did, who knows?

• 1:11:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  Nah, fuck that guy. Well, fuck him for being mean to him.

• 1:11:28Speaker 04

  But like, mean to him.

• 1:11:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, but like, while he maybe didn't do something horrendous, we don't know. There's no proof of that just yet.

• 1:11:33Speaker 04

  And just being named in the files is not implication of criminal activity. It could be, but not everyone that's named is a pedophile.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  It is for everybody, except Jason. Yeah, except Jason, yeah. In the court of public opinion, you're immediately crucified, right? And so they've given us names of very powerful people, right? Yet they're still protecting names.

• 1:11:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:56Speaker 03

  What that lets me know is that These are the sacrificial lambs.

• 1:12:02Mark Gagnon?

  Ooh.

• 1:12:03Speaker 03

  Right? Like, and like Gates is a sacrificial lamb.

• 1:12:07Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, shit.

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  That's a pow- that was at one point the richest man in the world. Like, I know there are people that have more money and they're not even on these lists. Because if you were actually the richest man in the world, you wouldn't fucking let people know who you are.

• 1:12:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19Speaker 03

  But like, if Bill Gates is part of the sacrificial lamb crew.

• 1:12:25Mark Gagnon?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  Who are the people that are still redacted? I mean, Thomas Massey and Ro Khanna.

• 1:12:32Mark Gagnon?

  Shout out to them.

• 1:12:32Speaker 03

  Shout out to them for pushing this like crazy. They just, they just saw more files and they were like, they're still names redacted, 70%. But they said there are six, was it co-conspirators?

• 1:12:41Mark Gagnon?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:42Speaker 03

  There's six names of co-conspirators that were, that they, did they get access to their names? Or they were?

• 1:12:48Mark Gagnon?

  And I mean, Thomas Massey, it seems like got access to all their names. It is basically putting pressure on Congress to be like, either unredact these files or I'll just say who they are.

• 1:12:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:56Mark Gagnon?

  Because there's no reason that they should be redacted.

• 1:12:58Speaker 03

  That motherf- that guy got courage, bro.

• 1:13:00Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:00Speaker 03

  Both of them got courage.

• 1:13:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:02Speaker 03

  And they're doing the right thing.

• 1:13:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yes.

• 1:13:03Speaker 03

  But you know what they do, the reason it's courageous is you know what they do to people who look like they're gonna cooperate. Because Epstein was cooperating. That's another important thing. Epstein was-

• 1:13:14Mark Gagnon?

  Was he going to?

• 1:13:14Speaker 03

  That's what, I think we can look it up, but that's when I was talking to Sager, he was saying, he was cooperating. And then they murk him.

• 1:13:21Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I thought we didn't even get that far.

• 1:13:25Speaker 03

  My, that's my understanding from, you know, my convo with Sager.

• 1:13:27Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:13:29Speaker 03

  Again, who knows? But that's even more of an indictment when you think about it. Like, the second the guy who's organizing it all goes, okay, I'll let you guys know what happens. He kills himself in the prison cell.

• 1:13:40Mark Gagnon?

  That's why it's also weird. It's like, uh, Ghislaine speaks with Trump's former lawyer. And then all of a sudden, now she's in a nice cushy place and all of a sudden she's pleading the fifth.

• 1:13:51Speaker 03

  And she's saying, I'll-

• 1:13:52Mark Gagnon?

  That's weird.

• 1:13:53Speaker 06

  I'll blab if you let me out.

• 1:13:54Speaker 03

  She, no, she says, if he gives me, uh-

• 1:13:57Speaker 06

  Immunity.

• 1:13:57Speaker 03

  Immunity or clemency, is that the word? Um, what's the difference between clemency and immunity?

• 1:14:02Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know. I thought clemency, you take away the charges. Immunity is just like-

• 1:14:08Speaker 03

  You still have the charges, but anything I say can't be used against me. Got it. Okay, so she wants clemency to talk, to clear Trump's name. And it's like, well, if his name was clear.

• 1:14:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:18Speaker 03

  Why do you need clemency?

• 1:14:19Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:20Speaker 06

  Immunity is before, clemency is after. That's what they're saying.

• 1:14:22Speaker 03

  Got it. Okay, but like, to me, like, if she's shrewd enough to indict him that way? Like, is she smart enough to go, "Yeah, I'll clear Trump if you give me clemency"? Well, if he's clear, why are you even putting that on the table? That's...

• 1:14:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:40Speaker 03

  Right, like, just...

• 1:14:41Speaker 04

  She might be shrewd enough, but she doesn't have to be because her attorneys are meeting with her being like, "Hey, just say this." You know what I mean? Like, you have enough smart people working on her behalf to be like, "Hey, here's what you're gonna say in order to put pressure on the right people."

• 1:14:51Speaker 03

  Okay, so now that we know that everybody from Trump, Patel, Bondi, Bongino, like, everybody that was involved in this, "Ah, this is just a hoax, we don't have anything," like, they're all, they're all on record saying versions of this, right? With the latest tranche, all of that is a lie. Yes. Right? Has it been proven effectively that it is complete falsehood?

• 1:15:15Speaker 04

  What exactly is falsehood?

• 1:15:16Speaker 03

  The statements that this is just a Democrat hoax and this is, I don't even know what that means.

• 1:15:23Speaker 04

  I guess he's trying to frame like, "This is a witch hunt against me, I did nothing wrong, they're trying to use this to slander my name."

• 1:15:28Speaker 03

  And they wouldn't use it when they were in power? Like, to me, they also know, like, both sides are incriminated in this. And that's why it wasn't brought up when Biden was in power. Like, they had the opportunity to go look into this stuff and they obviously didn't expose it. Now, him framing it that way, I don't think is...

• 1:15:51Speaker 03

  Like, they're just waiting for Trump to be back in office so that they can do it, it just seems so peculiar. Like, it's obviously you're protecting something. Maybe you're protecting your friends, maybe you're protecting yourself, right? And I'm being delicate with language here, right? But like, bare minimum, if we have these six co-conspirators, uh, conspirators, that their names were redacted, right? And anytime Trump's name is in the files, almost, it's redacted.

• 1:16:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, we can talk about the one, Don T.

• 1:16:16Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, this is interesting.

• 1:16:17Speaker 04

  Like, there's just a random redaction on the word "don't," and you can clearly tell that it's "don't." Like, the sentence is like, "I blank will go there," or "I don't want to go there," whatever. You got what I'm saying? And, uh, basically, "don't" is redacted, and people are deducing, like, "Oh, they just went through with some type of LLM to redact anything with Donald Trump."

• 1:16:37Speaker 03

  LLM is like an AI. Anytime, "Don, Donald, Don T,"

• 1:16:41Speaker 04

  "don't."

• 1:16:41Speaker 03

  Just black it out. And you have so many files that it would be probably impossible to go through every single one with a human being. Talking about 3 million emails or something like that, right? So you kind of have to leave it up to AI a bit.

• 1:16:54Speaker 04

  Bro, it's low-key like, have you seen The Office? There's a scene where Michael Scott writes a whole book and he puts Dwight as like this dumb character and then Command F changes all of it, but then they're reading it and then there's one that's D-wit and he spelled Dwight wrong and he didn't change that one. So then they realized that he actually put Dwight as the dumb character in the book and then it became this whole drama. But literally it's the office in real life, like in the files that like they're trying to redact these things and accidentally redacting the wrong things that show their hand.

• 1:17:24Speaker 03

  So Ricky Gervais was in on the whole time?

• 1:17:26Speaker 04

  Is he implicated in this?

• 1:17:28Speaker 03

  Exactly. Well, like, so, so what happens? Like, once it's, like Kash Patel, for example, who said he looked at everything and there's nothing there.

• 1:17:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:37Speaker 03

  What did he say on Rogan? What kind of bullshit propaganda was he?

• 1:17:40Speaker 04

  That there's no credible evidence that there's co-conspirators in a sex trafficking web.

• 1:17:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:45Speaker 04

  To something, like, it's worded pretty peculiarly, if you really look at it.

• 1:17:49Speaker 03

  Oh, you think that he's delicate enough where he can defend it?

• 1:17:51Speaker 04

  I think so, where it's like, technically, there is no da-da-da-da-da.

• 1:17:55Mark Gagnon?

  He's like, if I saw anything illegal, we would be investigating it right now.

• 1:17:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. And it's like, no, the sort of sex trafficking operation was state sanctioned because it was done with impunity from the da-da-da-da-da. Like, some type of legal magic to try to make it seem like, technically, the statement is true, but the spirit of the statement is obviously not true because he, of course, had co-conspirators.

• 1:18:17Speaker 03

  Right. So he's been given orders to protect powerful people and devise language that will allow him to tell the truth while lying?

• 1:18:29Speaker 04

  I think it's probably the most likely thing. There also might just be like a realization when you're in Patel's situation that you get in and you go, oh, if all of these files leak unredacted, all of the institutions that hold up the world order will change.

• 1:18:44Speaker 03

  So that's, that's, there was a part of me that thought.

• 1:18:50Speaker 03

  And I wonder if they're gonna play this, this hand. But there's a part of me that thought that they were gonna bring in Congress. Or those of the people that were on the board that actually wanna see all the files, etc. There's a part of me that thought they were gonna bring them all in. And go, here it is. You guys ready for the world to burn? And they were gonna walk out and go, guys, there's nothing here. Now, I, I don't know if they will, they're also so pot committed, their reputations are on the line. They're saying that these powerful people are involved and they're being protected by Trump and the administration. And Trump is also protecting himself in it. But is there a version where it goes so high up? And it's so entrenched in all these different countries?

• 1:19:33Speaker 03

  That there's a version where government itself would implode if the information got out? Is there a version where even the people pointing it out, saying that they're gonna expose it? Try to protect it? Is it too big to fail? Is it the banks? Is it the housing crisis? Is it, are we gonna bail out these bankers? Are we gonna do it again? Are we gonna bail out the people that put us in this fucking mess?

• 1:19:55Speaker 04

  If history tells us anything, probably. And that, I think, is the most frustrating part. And I think if you ask the American public in general? Would you rather uphold a system that exists? For the purpose of child sex exploitation in order to do all the nefarious deeds that need to get done? Or do you wanna just tear down the whole system because it shouldn't exist in the first place?

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  Burn the shit.

• 1:20:14Speaker 04

  Everyone say tear it down. And that's why I think they're not giving that as an option. Because the American people, and I think people of the world, don't wanna live in a system like this. Like, the, the fact that this exists at all, I don't think is an aberration from the system. People are like, oh, the system failed, dah dah dah. I think this is exactly the system was set up to function.

• 1:20:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, and we just got privy to it.

• 1:20:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is a feature of it, it's not a bug. Like, this is built in to how it works. Is that you get a level of wealth, power, and influence, and you're able to operate outside of laws and regulation, any of that shit.

• 1:20:42Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:20:43Speaker 04

  So I think it's a built in thing, and that if you want the system to change, you fundamentally have to change the whole, you have to tear down the system, which-

• 1:20:49Speaker 03

  So here's the question.

• 1:20:50Speaker 04

  Changes the global world.

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  When people reach a certain amount of wealth and status? Where they have access to this insider club? Right, the club that none of us are invited to? Are there people that have access to it? And like, let's say like a, like a Bezos or whatever like that? Can they operate? Like Bezos is promoting Trump, you know, he's there at the inauguration. He dumping the money in, he's making the Washington Post change its narrative a little bit to be a little bit more favorable. Are these people? Is it possible these people are working within these systems of power? Because they go, well, in order for me to get what I want, I gotta work with these bad actors. And that's the only way that I can achieve the things that I want to achieve.

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  Is it possible that these people are doing it? And know about the nefarious activities and are turning a blind eye to it? Or is it possible that they are unaware of the nefarious activities? Meaning like child sex trafficking, this type of like blackmail leverage? And they are going, but I'm still going to operate above the law because that is the privilege of the powerful and wealthy.

• 1:22:00Speaker 04

  I think it's all the above. And that every person probably has a different foray into it. But in my opinion, like just the way that the system is built, that once you get to a level of power and influence, any other identifying feature goes away, like your nationality, your race, your sexual orientation, all that shit is gone because your entire motive is just personal growth, aggrandizement and protection of your own capital interests. So you just get to a level where like, none of that shit even matters. It's just all alignment. So who's aligned with making me more money?

• 1:22:30Speaker 03

  Oh, is it Trump? Okay. Well, I'm going to give him whatever he needs and I'm going to stand behind him at the inauguration and I'm going to cozy up.

• 1:22:35Speaker 04

  Exactly. And like, all this other shit is just sort of like a flowery kind of moral veneer that you put on stuff to make it look like you're doing the right thing on behalf of the people. But none of that shit matters.

• 1:22:47Speaker 03

  What's, what's interesting about the files is, uh, you don't really see any, any like athletes or entertainers. We were talking about this. Have you noticed that? Like, like Jay-Z's name comes up, but it's like barely. And it's some like unverified.

• 1:23:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was some bullshit.

• 1:23:02Speaker 03

  Whatever. But again, you don't really see all these like actors or you don't see all these people that we view as kind of famous and influential.

• 1:23:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:12Speaker 03

  And my assumption on that is that the real elite.

• 1:23:19Speaker 03

  Don't see actors and athletes as actual elites. They see them as toys. They don't actually respect them. They're like, you don't actually move markets. You don't actually create something. And meaning like you can't actually generate and create wealth. Like you can shoot a basketball into a hoop, but the second you're 40, like you stop being able to do that. And you're no longer of value. Whereas like if you're creating business and moving markets and changing geopolitics. Now you're a player and you're someone that I have to fear. And I feel like at this level, it's not even, do I like you? It's do I have to fear you? And I think it's pretty obvious that Epstein had enough connections where you had to fear him.

• 1:24:04Speaker 03

  And there's this sycophantic, it's like you, they wanted his connectivity. They wanted what he had, and it was obviously beneficial to them. Like there was that strategic alignment that you're saying. But I think that there's also something deeper, which is simply, do I have to worry about that individual? If I do, I'll be nice to him. Because it's more beneficial to me to cozy up than to go to war with someone who can actually hurt me. An athlete can't do anything to me, is what I think these billionaires are thinking. They're like, they're just toys. We just, you know, we have fun and we watch them do their thing. But they don't need to be part of this system.

• 1:24:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:24:38Speaker 03

  It's kind of interesting.

• 1:24:38Speaker 04

  I think they're also easier to neutralize. Where it's like, okay, if this person is outspoken with a big public audience that can sway public opinion, that could be dangerous. But I could also hire them for a birthday party and pay them an insane amount of money, become friends with them and we're like, cool. And then that might, you know, neuter any type of bad PR.

• 1:24:58Speaker 03

  So this is the thing where it's like, actors or entertainers never really had that kind of influence outside of, you know, saying whatever virtue signaling thing made them look good when they accept an award type of stuff. With the invention of like new media and podcasts, all of a sudden the influence of legacy media dips down. And now there are these new sources of influence, which forced the elites to have to pay attention to what is going on here. Same way they forced to pay attention what's happening on Reddit, forced to pay attention to happening on 4chan. They're like, oh shit, narratives are being moved outside of the traditional structures that we already kind of owned and operated with and were friends with.

• 1:25:41Speaker 03

  Now we gotta worry about this other stuff because they can influence the world in that way. Whereas they never had to worry about entertainers before, because like Billie Eilish isn't really moving the needle that much. Like she can say, no one's whatever, illegal and stolen land or whatever like that, but it's not actually changing structures in America.

• 1:25:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's uh, yeah, it's kinda wild.

• 1:26:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I'm really interested to see.

• 1:26:04Speaker 06

  I have to pee so bad.

• 1:26:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, go, go, go, go. With Bill Clinton and Hillary.

• 1:26:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:09Mark Gagnon?

  Like how they're, they requested for the deposition to be public.

• 1:26:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:15Mark Gagnon?

  Like, that's interesting.

• 1:26:17Speaker 03

  Well, what do you think that means?

• 1:26:19Mark Gagnon?

  I think, uh, they don't want to be like used as pawns and like not be able to control what comes out of that deposition.

• 1:26:29Speaker 03

  So they have a private deposition and then the powers that be leak whatever they want from it.

• 1:26:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, yeah.

• 1:26:35Speaker 03

  Now also, if the powers that be are working against them, against the Clintons, if they're willing to just kind of discard them. Cause they're like, you're the old world order. We don't need you anymore. You guys are about to die anyway. Who gives a fuck? We're gonna, you're the sacrificial lands as well.

• 1:26:51Speaker 03

  Making it public, if the Clintons have anything on the other powers that be.

• 1:26:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:57Speaker 03

  It, it all of a sudden makes them go, if I go down, you're going down. So asking for it to be public might stop it from happening at all.

• 1:27:05Mark Gagnon?

  Oh shit.

• 1:27:06Speaker 03

  Right? If it's private, they could redact all the shit like them are redacting from the emails.

• 1:27:11Speaker 06

  It's going all in. You're gambling, you go all in.

• 1:27:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, if I'm going down, you're going down with me. And then all of a sudden they go, ah, well, we don't really need you to do this.

• 1:27:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, they'll fold their hands.

• 1:27:20Mark Gagnon?

  Interesting. I thought it was just gonna be like, oh, well, this is public now. So now you guys have to behave in terms of the questions.

• 1:27:26Speaker 06

  No, you're also right, Al, but.

• 1:27:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:28Speaker 06

  In the more nefarious version, or like the more conspiratorial, conspiratorial version, it's.

• 1:27:33Speaker 03

  I think, yeah, it protects them. So it protects them in multiple ways. It's like, one, you're not gonna leak information that's gonna be negative about me. Right? I can control what goes out. And two, you know what I know.

• 1:27:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. And if you wanna get cute, I'll get cute.

• 1:27:49Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:27:49Speaker 03

  Cause if everybody knows.

• 1:27:50Mark Gagnon?

  This is gonna be interesting.

• 1:27:51Speaker 03

  Right, like.

• 1:27:52Mark Gagnon?

  Alright, I'm tuning in for that.

• 1:27:53Speaker 03

  This is nuclear war without the nukes.

• 1:27:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:55Speaker 03

  The war is your connect, the nuke is your connection to Epstein.

• 1:27:59Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:28:00Speaker 03

  Right, like, if you are connected to him, if you're homies with him and you've been lying about it, you're nuked.

• 1:28:05Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:28:05Speaker 03

  You know, like, I'm curious what happens with Lutnik. This guy who, I think he said he stopped having contact with Epstein in 2005 or something like that. And he told this story about him and his wife, or like, you know, when I saw him, it was disgusting. And I never want, and then, I don't know when he goes to the island with his family, but I think he takes his family to the island.

• 1:28:24Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:28:27Speaker 03

  This is odd, but again, if you're lying about connectivity to that person, right?

• 1:28:33Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:35Speaker 03

  Well, on some level, I get, we're talking about Lutnik. On some level, I get lying, right? Cause you know, if you're connected to him at this point, it's over for you.

• 1:28:43Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 1:28:44Speaker 03

  So for self-preservation, you're creating as much distance as possible. I get it. But if these files are coming out, you would think that they would try to get ahead of us. These things are amazing, by the way. Shout out here, oh god. Yeah, I was like a little like, you know, out of it. And, um, I'm locked the fuck in right now. Okay, yeah. Um, anyway, so, God bless. Uh, but yeah, it's like.

• 1:29:12Mark Gagnon?

  Patriot.

• 1:29:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. But yeah, it's, it's a, like, I think he said in 2005, that was the last time they connected. And then they showed that there was like many more connections even up until, when was it? 2013, or I don't even know when the latest is. But, um.

• 1:29:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I'm a little disappointed at America right now.

• 1:29:30Speaker 03

  Talk to me.

• 1:29:30Mark Gagnon?

  Because I, I keep seeing overseas, anybody mentioned in the files is like, they're being either stripped of their titles, being fired, or even people.

• 1:29:40Speaker 03

  Who, who, who, who?

• 1:29:40Mark Gagnon?

  Like, ah, fuck it. Well, we have Prince Andrew, of course, but then there's another guy, right now they're.

• 1:29:45Speaker 03

  Mendelson?

• 1:29:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. And like, they're upset at the prime minister just because.

• 1:29:50Speaker 03

  Keir Starmer?

• 1:29:51Mark Gagnon?

  He, just because like, he recommended some guy who was connected to Epstein. I'm like, god damn, so just recommending a guy who was close to Epstein is getting you clipped? Like, they're standing on business over there.

• 1:30:00Speaker 03

  He's ambassador to America?

• 1:30:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yes, I believe so.

• 1:30:03Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:30:04Mark Gagnon?

  So it's like they're standing on business and we're like.

• 1:30:07Speaker 03

  I think they're standing on business when they start clipping people with actual power and influence. The ambassador America is like a cushy position where you do jack shit. The being Prince Andrew, he's like a meaningless nothing goofball prince.

• 1:30:19Mark Gagnon?

  Coming after the prime minister.

• 1:30:21Speaker 03

  They're they're being critical of the prime minister. They haven't asked him to step down.

• 1:30:24Mark Gagnon?

  They're trying to.

• 1:30:26Speaker 03

  But they haven't done it yet. Like what I'm saying is we're doing the same thing. We're holding the people up. Like we have people in Congress that are going, hey, the president is protecting a child pedophile ring.

• 1:30:36Mark Gagnon?

  That's true.

• 1:30:36Speaker 03

  Right? Like, and we want the names and they're redacting and the FBI is stopping this from happening and all of his cronies are lying about it. So it's like, we're pushing to, I don't know how far the UK or any other country involved is pushing to get people actually ousted.

• 1:30:51Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm. Okay. It just seems like they're doing more.

• 1:30:54Speaker 03

  If Keir Starmer is forced to step down, or they call some, I think they can do like special elections with the parliamentary system, right? Like, so if they can do that and they get him out of here, I'm like, oh, okay, that's a big move.

• 1:31:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:06Speaker 03

  What you got, Miles?

• 1:31:07Speaker 06

  It's just so frustrating. No one's actually going to be held to any standard. Like, there's no.

• 1:31:11Mark Gagnon?

  That's how I feel.

• 1:31:12Speaker 06

  I'm trying to have a two cent. We can ask Keir Starmer to step down. We can like kick Loten out. We got Acosta in trouble. There are so many people within these files that are like actually bad people who did insanely bad stuff that we aren't going to be able to have. Like, there's going to be no jail time and all the people that actually uh, were ever in these files are dead or Ghislaine is in a cushy jail. Those are options.

• 1:31:36Speaker 03

  So I think Alex, you brought up this question earlier, right? And and it's like, where are all the victims?

• 1:31:44Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:44Speaker 03

  And how can we give the victims a platform to speak? And will the victims recognize these people? And that is another question I think is important, right? Which is like. 20 years ago, you hooked up with some like old fat white guy. He didn't tell you his real name. You don't know who he is. Like, are they? And, like, the owner of the Giants-

• 1:32:09Mark Gagnon?

  I forgot a few of my bodies.

• 1:32:12Speaker 03

  Like, it's like, unfortunately-

• 1:32:14Mark Gagnon?

  I wasn't trafficked.

• 1:32:15Speaker 03

  But no, but that's the thing, like, this is horrendous that you're trafficked and you're like with all these random dudes. Like, are you able to point out the owner of the Giants, allegedly? Like, I don't know what the owner of the Giants looks like. Could you tell who he was and, you know, how he's different from these other people? I wonder if there's a circumstance like that where like, I went through all this horrible stuff. They didn't tell me the names of the guys. Obviously, they're doing illegal shit.

• 1:32:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:38Speaker 03

  So I don't know who they are and they weren't necessarily famous at the time. We're talking about rich and powerful people that weren't known. It's not like it was actors doing it. Then you'd be able to go, oh, that's the guy.

• 1:32:49Speaker 03

  I wonder if that's part of the reason why they've been hesitant to come out and go-

• 1:32:53Speaker 04

  I think there's a bunch of reasons. Like, of course, what you're saying, like, the nature of the operation is compartmentalized information. So-

• 1:32:59Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:32:59Speaker 04

  Like, Epstein knows one thing. These guys coming in for a party know another thing. And then the women that are actually being trafficked that potentially are a part of this blackmail operation only know what their specific duty is. Do this, or else we're gonna come after your family, destroy your life, your reputation, etc. All the other, like, intimidation and coercion tactics that go along with-

• 1:33:16Speaker 03

  And we're lying to you about who these people are.

• 1:33:18Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:33:19Speaker 03

  They're purposely confusing these girls.

• 1:33:22Speaker 04

  These girls might not know that it's recorded. They might not know, like, that there's a payment situation. We, again, we don't know the exact details of how it actually operates.

• 1:33:29Speaker 03

  Also, where are the recordings? So apparently, you get 80 cameras set up in every room or something like that. We don't have a single recording.

• 1:33:34Mark Gagnon?

  That's the smoking gun. That's the shit they keep it from.

• 1:33:37Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:33:37Mark Gagnon?

  I don't wanna see gay porn, but that's where the shit is at.

• 1:33:42Speaker 03

  At this point, at this point, there's not a single person on the planet that believes he killed himself, right?

• 1:33:51Mark Gagnon?

  Some people still think.

• 1:33:53Speaker 04

  I mean, he might have been allowed to kill himself.

• 1:33:55Speaker 06

  He might have been allowed, that was gonna be my saying, is they come in and they say, it's gonna be us or it's gonna be you. Tonight's your night. You gonna do it? That would be like the most-

• 1:34:04Mark Gagnon?

  I don't think he did.

• 1:34:06Speaker 04

  Which is barely killing himself. That's the most gracious version of it.

• 1:34:08Mark Gagnon?

  Cause didn't the coroner say, like, the way his neck snapped, there was no way you can do that?

• 1:34:12Speaker 04

  No, he said that, like, the wounds were somehow connected with asphyxia through, like, someone's hands. So, like, it's possible, it could have been that, but also through a roof, yada, yada. I don't think he comes up.

• 1:34:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:23Mark Gagnon?

  I don't either.

• 1:34:24Speaker 04

  And as time has gone on, I'm even less confident that he's dead. Like, it's possible he might have just been fucking scooped up. I don't know.

• 1:34:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:31Speaker 04

  That's just like my general vibes.

• 1:34:33Speaker 03

  At this point, I'm like, I could believe anything.

• 1:34:35Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, it would be easier to kill him than try to sneak him out and keep him alive.

• 1:34:39Speaker 04

  Depends how much leverage he has, if there's a dead man switch, I don't know.

• 1:34:42Speaker 03

  So I, I had a-

• 1:34:43Mark Gagnon?

  Ooh, dead man switch is fire.

• 1:34:45Speaker 03

  I had a person say this to me, and take this with a grain of salt. Cause everybody, it's a person told you that talks about a person. So this is all like, whatever. Um. The-

• 1:34:57Mark Gagnon?

  Salt, I guess.

• 1:34:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. The rumor was he had three dead man switches.

• 1:35:03Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:35:04Speaker 03

  And the intelligence agencies found two of them. And upon finding the third, they killed him.

• 1:35:11Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:35:12Speaker 03

  Who, who knows if this, any of this is fucking true, whatever like that, but like-

• 1:35:16Speaker 04

  They found his whore cruxes and fucking killed him. Most of the kind of whore cruxes.

• 1:35:19Speaker 03

  That is fire. Uh, I heard that joke.

• 1:35:23Speaker 04

  Oh, sorry, I didn't-

• 1:35:24Speaker 03

  No, his.

• 1:35:25Speaker 04

  Wait, what?

• 1:35:25Speaker 03

  Oh, I thought you were doing a pun off of whore. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:31Speaker 04

  No, I wasn't, but dude.

• 1:35:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:32Speaker 04

  Look at you, dude.

• 1:35:33Speaker 03

  Chosen. Um, anyway.

• 1:35:36Mark Gagnon?

  We need dead man switches.

• 1:35:39Speaker 03

  For what, Al?

• 1:35:39Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know.

• 1:35:40Speaker 04

  Did you just incriminate us?

• 1:35:42Speaker 03

  Did you just incriminate us, Al?

• 1:35:43Speaker 04

  Why would you need a dead man switch? If you have a dead man switch, if people are trying to take you out and you want to compromise them with blackmail. So who's trying to take you out and what kind of blackmail do you have that would ruin someone's reputation?

• 1:35:54Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, I know, I know you don't shower all the time.

• 1:35:57Speaker 03

  You did shower today, huh?

• 1:35:58Mark Gagnon?

  I did, yeah.

• 1:35:59Speaker 03

  You know how I knew he showered? He came into the Brilliant Idiot studio and it was like a bouquet of flowers walked in. Like, I've never, I've never had him walk in a room and it smells so pleasant.

• 1:36:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:36:10Speaker 03

  Dude, I kept like sniffing around, cause I didn't understand what it was, but you, and you use a fragrance when you shampoo, shampoo?

• 1:36:17Speaker 04

  No, that was just cologne. I got a cologne.

• 1:36:19Mark Gagnon?

  What?

• 1:36:21Speaker 03

  Shit, brother, home?

• 1:36:22Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 1:36:24Speaker 04

  It was a halftime show, bro.

• 1:36:25Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, you cheating, bro.

• 1:36:26Speaker 04

  Halftime show gonna be fired up.

• 1:36:28Mark Gagnon?

  Just bendito.

• 1:36:29Speaker 04

  Yeah. Dude, bendito gonna be fired up.

• 1:36:31Mark Gagnon?

  What happened to pheromones and all that fucking gay shit you used to say?

• 1:36:35Speaker 04

  Bro, it became a problem.

• 1:36:36Speaker 03

  Isn't, isn't cologne just more pheromones?

• 1:36:38Speaker 04

  Nah, bro, it's different pheromones.

• 1:36:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they work better. It's like steroids.

• 1:36:42Mark Gagnon?

  He said his wife, oh, loves his natural pheromones and all the shit.

• 1:36:45Speaker 03

  No, you up to something, bro.

• 1:36:47Speaker 04

  Nah, bro. The problem is my natural pheromones were getting too much attention.

• 1:36:51Speaker 03

  Wouldn't they sell body odor if that's what women wanted?

• 1:36:53Speaker 04

  And they do. I actually just talked to a perfumer not too long ago about this exact thing.

• 1:36:57Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah? So the stinkiest people made perfume and cologne? The people known for smelling like shit.

• 1:37:03Speaker 04

  Who?

• 1:37:04Speaker 03

  The French.

• 1:37:05Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:37:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, we didn't know about those over there.

• 1:37:08Speaker 04

  The Old Spice, yeah.

• 1:37:09Speaker 03

  It was just...

• 1:37:10Speaker 04

  They call it Old Spice.

• 1:37:11Speaker 03

  Did you call me Old Spice? No, we didn't know about them just yet. So the French were known for smelling like shit and they're like, we gotta do something about it. So they made fragrances.

• 1:37:18Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:37:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, they tried to throw dirt on my name, but I grew up out of it.

• 1:37:22Mark Gagnon?

  You French Canadian.

• 1:37:23Speaker 04

  Exactly. Come on, eh?

• 1:37:25Mark Gagnon?

  Dirty and you're nice, eh?

• 1:37:27Speaker 03

  What you calling?

• 1:37:28Mark Gagnon?

  Dirty and you're nice?

• 1:37:30Speaker 03

  All right, okay, so what's the deal? Do we ever find anything? I mean, oh my God.

• 1:37:35Speaker 04

  I don't think so.

• 1:37:36Mark Gagnon?

  But the videos, where are those? Is that part of the other?

• 1:37:41Speaker 04

  Hey, Casper tells us there's no videos, dude. There's not a single video. You didn't remember that? The guy was recording nothing.

• 1:37:46Mark Gagnon?

  So the crazy, the crazy parties that Elon wants to go to, like...

• 1:37:50Speaker 03

  No, he said there's no...

• 1:37:51Mark Gagnon?

  I wanna see the videos.

• 1:37:52Speaker 03

  He said there's no, um...

• 1:37:54Speaker 04

  Blackmail?

• 1:37:56Speaker 03

  He said something specific. Why don't you look it up, Joey?

• 1:37:57Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying, dude. The language that he uses is just...

• 1:38:00Speaker 03

  It's particular.

• 1:38:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, he's an attorney. Like, the guy knows how to, like, sort of legally use up a little statement.

• 1:38:04Speaker 03

  All right, guys, we're gonna take, let's get back to the show.

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• 1:39:36Speaker 03

  Really interesting is, I remember this summer, the first time they said something about kind of discarding the Epstein stuff. Do you remember we said something about it on the pod? We were like, oh, I guess we're the idiots, I guess. Whatever like that. And then the White House responded.

• 1:39:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:56Speaker 03

  Do you guys remember that? So the White House gave a statement. They're like, oh, Andrew Schulz, I think that, you know, he should be happy, it's something, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

• 1:40:02Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay, I do remember that. And I was like, ooh, who'd you pistol?

• 1:40:05Speaker 03

  Like, I should have known right there that they were, I mean, obviously, I felt that they were covering it up, and that's why I was like, what the fuck is going on? But to even respond, to me, that means that they're in like, immediate, oh shit mode. Right? Like, I knew it, and I pushed, and I was like, ah, what the fuck is going on here? But it was so peculiar because they campaigned so hard on exposing it. Like, the Bongino guy.

• 1:40:29Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:30Speaker 03

  And Cash, and Trump are campaigning on exposing it and immediately getting office. Is there part of you that looks at it and goes? Like where do you take that? Do you go, the only way we can squash this is if we get an office? No, because the Democrats had it and they weren't going to expose it because all their donors are in it as well.

• 1:40:49Speaker 04

  I think they underestimated how fervent the base was for truth on this specific issue.

• 1:40:55Speaker 03

  How could they do that? Usually they're pretty calculated in understanding.

• 1:40:58Speaker 04

  That's my, that's my assessment. They go, look, we're going to get all these influencers that control the narrative around your right wing discourse. And we're going to bring them in, we're going to give them these binders. They're going to have all these files.

• 1:41:08Speaker 03

  This is when Pam Bondi invited all them to the White House.

• 1:41:10Speaker 04

  And that's going to be what we need to get this whole thing covered up.

• 1:41:13Mark Gagnon?

  And I bet you that was the plan from the beginning.

• 1:41:16Speaker 03

  I mean, how stupid.

• 1:41:17Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:18Speaker 03

  What an unbelievable miscalculation. And now you see Trump going like, hey, Bill Clinton's a nice guy. Why would he?

• 1:41:24Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, you're saying that now?

• 1:41:25Speaker 03

  You haven't seen it? He goes, yeah, I like Bill Clinton, you know, he's always been nice to me. They asked him, they're like, what do you like about Bill Clinton? He's like, he's always been nice to me. What do you like, what do you like about him? Hey, what do you like about Bill Clinton? I like that he could make me look like a banged 13 year old. I'm not nice to him. That's, that's what I like. Allegedly.

• 1:41:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Oh, man.

• 1:41:48Speaker 03

  So what are the chances, what are the chances that he's? Okay, here's something. Do you think that Trump's timeline with his friendship with Epstein makes is, is accurate?

• 1:41:59Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 1:42:00Speaker 03

  Meaning you think he maintained the friendship after?

• 1:42:02Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I think they just had like a small falling out because they were like fighting over that woman or girl. I don't know.

• 1:42:10Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 1:42:11Mark Gagnon?

  And?

• 1:42:12Speaker 03

  That's, that's not the falling out. The falling out is even, you would hope that that was the falling out.

• 1:42:18Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, it's like they wanted the same property or something like that? And he stole the property from them or something like that?

• 1:42:22Speaker 03

  So the, I think the illusion with a lot of like the, the Trump like loyalists is like, he saw that Epstein was trying to take girls from Mar-a-Lago and he kicked them out. He said, no, no more. And that would be really great if there was somebody with that type of moral compass in the office.

• 1:42:37Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. But the fact that he said that, I do think there's a little truth to it. It's like, I think he just took one of his girls out of the place and he was upset about it.

• 1:42:45Speaker 03

  Fair, but apparently they were beefing over a piece of real estate. And that was the, the final straw. It's like, you could take the teenagers out of here, but if you go after that fucking property.

• 1:42:54Speaker 04

  It's hypocrisy.

• 1:42:56Speaker 04

  You hate it.

• 1:42:57Speaker 03

  It's just. Okay, so the timeline being like they stopped being friends after that real estate thing. Do you believe that? Do you think that they maintain?

• 1:43:05Mark Gagnon?

  No, I think they maintain. Cause I think if like for Epstein to be such a big player, especially in Florida, because he's right there. The island's right there. So I'm like, you can't really just be like, fuck you. It's like, I'm not fucking with you, but you know, we still share a lot of friends. We can be cordial. I just don't really mess with you.

• 1:43:22Speaker 03

  How powerful are the people that he's protecting that he's willing to? Let's say, for example, hypothetically speaking, the timeline is accurate. Meaning stops being friends with them after that. I think that's when 2005 or something like that. Then he gets the pedophile charge in 2008.

• 1:43:41Speaker 04

  He gets convicted in 2008.

• 1:43:43Speaker 03

  2008 conviction, never talks to him again after that, right?

• 1:43:48Speaker 03

  So how powerful are the people that Trump is protecting? Or does Epstein or the powers that be have incriminating evidence on him prior to 2005? Evidence of him doing any, you know, I don't even want to mention horrible fucking things.

• 1:44:07Speaker 03

  Where he's willing to go down with the ship instead of just exposing it. Because if he did stop being friends with him and he was sure that they didn't have anything, knowing Trump. Wouldn't he just sell everyone else down the river?

• 1:44:22Mark Gagnon?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:44:24Speaker 04

  It might be such that it implicates literally everyone. Like monarchs and heads of state.

• 1:44:30Speaker 03

  When does Trump care about them?

• 1:44:31Speaker 04

  Yeah. But if he's like, we have this oil deal and these people are pressuring me saying, hey, if you don't redact our, you know, king's name, we're gonna not sell you this oil. And then oil price in your country are gonna go up. Like, we can extort you through economic means if you don't get rid of our stuff. Or this like financial.

• 1:44:49Speaker 03

  How much leverage do these other countries have over us?

• 1:44:52Speaker 04

  I don't know. It might be, it might be personal. I'd be like, hey, we're gonna give you this jet. Or we're gonna give you this like private thing in order to cover up this thing that someone in our country did.

• 1:45:01Mark Gagnon?

  The problems these files are giving him right now, if he wasn't implicated, yo, put this shit out. This shit is fucking.

• 1:45:09Speaker 03

  Look how quick, look how quick they folded on ice, right? They get pushed back on ice and immediately they send Holman in there. They're probably, maybe they fire Noham. I don't know if they do. They take out the other guy. What was his name? Bavino, right? They go, we're gonna prioritize criminals, we're gonna do, so it's like, they do bend to the whim of the people and to the markets, right? So, and that is, that is somebody I was talking to, Michael Moynihan, who was saying this, and he was like, shout out Michael Moynihan, and he was like, that is to the, to the argument about him being authoritarian, there's no question he has authoritarian tendencies, but authoritarians don't bend to the whims of the public. Like, the leader of Iran is an authoritarian. You guys are

• 1:45:50Speaker 03

  rebelling, I'm gonna shoot you all. Right? So, they're bending to the markets, they're bending to public perception. Knowing Trump, you, you don't think that he would just lay all these motherfuckers out in a silver platter, unless?

• 1:46:06Speaker 04

  In my opinion, I think like 20 years will go by and we'll be like, how did we ever think that he wasn't? But I think he's obviously implicated in some way by proxy, but I also think it implicates legit everybody.

• 1:46:16Mark Gagnon?

  So, so, so, so. If Epstein is the guy to go to, he's a fixer, he's the guy who can like massage your reputation to the public, and I'm about to run for presidency.

• 1:46:25Speaker 03

  You don't think I'm hitting up this guy? Also, like, his, the guy who was gonna do a PR rehabilitation for Epstein, is a guy named Steve Bannon, who was Trump's campaign manager for the 2016 term, and his White House, what is the position when you essentially, what is, what was Bannon's position in Trump's White House in 2016? And then I think he eventually gets fired.

• 1:46:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. And then right after he gets fired, he goes and...

• 1:46:52Speaker 03

  Rehab's Epstein?

• 1:46:53Speaker 04

  Links with Epstein.

• 1:46:54Mark Gagnon?

  White House chief strategist.

• 1:46:56Speaker 03

  He was White House chief strategist.

• 1:46:57Mark Gagnon?

  Come on now.

• 1:46:58Speaker 03

  So, the tentacles are in.

• 1:47:03Speaker 04

  No, I mean, it seems pretty obvious from all the circumstantial evidence. It's kind of shocking that there's not like one singular, like, yes, look, you know? But...

• 1:47:12Mark Gagnon?

  What about his Bannon? Is Bannon getting shit from his people? Like yo, why were you trying to help this dude? I mean, he gotta be out of here. I don't even know why people let that dude speak. I've always felt this way about Bannon.

• 1:47:22Speaker 04

  He operates as such a weird, kinda murky figure. I don't even know really his story super well and like all the details around him. Say again?

• 1:47:30Speaker 06

  He's also rich in his seventies. Like he doesn't, there's no like company he's gonna get fired from.

• 1:47:34Speaker 04

  And I don't know if he has like fans. I just think he's an operative and he's probably a spy.

• 1:47:38Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I thought he has like a huge fanbase. I thought he has like, he's like he's MAGA.

• 1:47:43Speaker 04

  I think he co-opted some MAGA people.

• 1:47:45Speaker 03

  He's like a mouthpiece for existing.

• 1:47:47Mark Gagnon?

  But doesn't he decide like what's MAGA or not like?

• 1:47:51Speaker 03

  I don't think he has that type of polar influence. I don't think he has that type of gravity. I think that he can like organize thoughts for these groups and then be the most sensational about them. Probably say things that the politicians can't say to really like rile up those bases. But I don't think that he's actually moving people or markets.

• 1:48:05Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay. I thought he was like one of the main guys trying to kick Tucker out the shit when.

• 1:48:10Speaker 03

  I think he's too unhealthy looking. Like you have to. He looks like he's dying all the time.

• 1:48:14Mark Gagnon?

  I don't stop him. Look at Trump.

• 1:48:15Speaker 03

  So here's my question, right? You know how we like look back at like history and you look, look about like the Greeks, right? And like all the, the Greek aristocracy. The, the rumor is that like they had these little boys that they would fuck. Or these like little eunuchs that they would fuck. And we're like, oh, this was commonplace at the time that like the rich and powerful would have sex with children and all of them had a little concubine. In a thousand years, do they look back at history now and be like, oh yeah, the rich and powerful would just fuck. Has nothing changed in 2,000 years?

• 1:48:48Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but I still thought that shit was disgusting and nasty.

• 1:48:51Speaker 03

  No, of course we think it's disgusting and nasty, but we think it's like the past. We go, oh, look how weird the past was. Look how obscure and like, look how, uh, just, I don't even wanna call it primal. Just like disgusting this behavior was, but it was commonplace 2,000 years ago, but we're dignified.

• 1:49:07Speaker 04

  This is ancient. We've civilized over time.

• 1:49:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're civilized beings. We would never do something like this. In, in a thousand years, they're gonna look back at us like with the fucking Greeks. We just switched to girls. They're like, oh, they stopped being gay around the year 2000 and then they just kept it with young girls.

• 1:49:21Mark Gagnon?

  Did they?

• 1:49:23Speaker 03

  That's the other thing that's wild. It's like, we don't hear about none of the gay shit? There's nothing.

• 1:49:28Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:49:30Speaker 04

  Well, there was some email leak that talked about Epstein and Wexner, I think. Having a relationship, like a sexual relationship.

• 1:49:37Speaker 03

  I heard, well, the rumor about Wexner is that he's been sweet.

• 1:49:41Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:49:42Speaker 03

  This whole time.

• 1:49:42Speaker 04

  And that's part of the reason why he was so tight with Epstein, pun intended, is because they were fucking.

• 1:49:48Speaker 04

  Epstein and Wexner. That's what I was reading on Twitter.

• 1:49:51Speaker 03

  So we're supposed to believe that like Epstein-

• 1:49:52Mark Gagnon?

  Your timeline is this shit, bro. That shit does not come across my shit at all.

• 1:49:58Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:49:58Speaker 04

  He's been so Puerto Rican since Bad Bunny happened. He's like, I don't see anything. I don't have internet.

• 1:50:04Mark Gagnon?

  Don't make fun of their electricity.

• 1:50:05Speaker 04

  They put it on the Super Bowl.

• 1:50:07Mark Gagnon?

  That's sensitive, Tom.

• 1:50:07Speaker 03

  They put it up there. They did have the electric poles up there for that reason, right?

• 1:50:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:50:12Speaker 03

  Okay, and it was a metaphor for what?

• 1:50:14Mark Gagnon?

  The bad infrastructure that they have in Puerto Rico, because we're supposed to be connected to America, but we can't get funding.

• 1:50:22Speaker 03

  For electricity. Yeah, well, tell those guys to stop playing dominoes and start working on some electricity.

• 1:50:29Speaker 03

  We need those guys. Those guys-

• 1:50:30Speaker 04

  Those guys are retired, bro.

• 1:50:31Speaker 03

  They're brilliant engineers. We need them still.

• 1:50:34Mark Gagnon?

  They visited a phone in World War II.

• 1:50:36Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, man.

• 1:50:39Speaker 04

  So, I think the web is deep. I don't even know if anyone knows, like, the story. Like, I think it's-

• 1:50:45Mark Gagnon?

  You know something. You know a lot of his story, bro.

• 1:50:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, tell us. What are you thinking?

• 1:50:50Mark Gagnon?

  Come on, forehead.

• 1:50:52Speaker 04

  Come on, forehead.

• 1:50:55Speaker 04

  Take your hat off.

• 1:51:05Speaker 04

  I mean, again, I don't know if anyone knows. I think anyone that's like, here's what happened, is lying. Because I don't think they're, I bet, I'm willing to say that this is probably so compartmentalized that people intimately involved might not even know. Like, does Jean-Luc Brunel know how deep Epstein's, like, intelligence ties go? Or is he just like, oh, yeah, he's just like a rich guy that likes young women, da-da-da? Like- Does his connection with Alexander Acosta that gives him the sweetheart deal, does he know about his like foreign passport with Vienna? Like, does anyone actually know the whole story? And does Epstein himself know how he's being utilized by these foreign actors? Like, he obviously knows the most, but now he's not there. Ghislaine probably knows the second most, but she's in prison taking her fifth amendment right. So, to me, I'm like, does anyone actually know the entire thing?

• 1:51:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:47Speaker 04

  I think it'll be years until all of it is unpacked.

• 1:51:49Mark Gagnon?

  They gotta take down his team because it takes us 15 people to do a fucking podcast for him to have that type of ring?

• 1:51:56Speaker 04

  With two people?

• 1:51:56Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, like, come on, bruh.

• 1:51:58Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, and of course, there's people-

• 1:52:00Mark Gagnon?

  Let's go after the team.

• 1:52:01Speaker 04

  That are connected to it that are just quiet, like his assistants, his co-conspirators, his former girlfriends that are just not being affected by this?

• 1:52:09Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 1:52:10Speaker 04

  Like, that to me is also crazy. Like, they must have known, or at least should be questioned about what they knew. And they're gonna just get off scot-free.

• 1:52:17Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah. The ex-girlfriend, that's-

• 1:52:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, Karina Shulik. Karina Shulik.

• 1:52:21Mark Gagnon?

  Miles got his eyes on her.

• 1:52:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, she-

• 1:52:25Speaker 04

  She got a hundred mil.

• 1:52:26Speaker 03

  What was her thing? She just started, she's like, "I'm gonna reveal it all," then it was just like a crypto scam?

• 1:52:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, she was on Twitter talking about how she's gonna reveal it all. But she's a dentist, she's a Belarusian dentist that apparently was doing dental work on the island.

• 1:52:40Mark Gagnon?

  Have you seen the pictures of the dentist's office with the masks?

• 1:52:42Speaker 04

  With all the weird faces and shit? It's so weird. Some people say, "Oh, Epstein was just super particular about teeth and he wanted everyone to have perfect teeth, and so if someone needed dental work, he wanted to have a dentist on the island at all times," who he coincidentally was also dating, allegedly. Now, is it also possible this was used to like remove people's teeth so they couldn't be identified and then thrown in the ocean?

• 1:53:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, how do you go to a dentist's office with that?

• 1:53:05Speaker 04

  Weird, right?

• 1:53:05Mark Gagnon?

  That's strange.

• 1:53:07Speaker 04

  This is just on the island.

• 1:53:08Mark Gagnon?

  That just seems like a cover. Oh, this is actually-

• 1:53:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's on the island. To my knowledge, this is on Little St. James.

• 1:53:13Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I thought this was like her practice.

• 1:53:16Speaker 04

  No, but it's weirder that it's on an island. Like, imagine someone gives you an island. Like, you won Beast Games. You got an island.

• 1:53:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:25Speaker 04

  Would you put a dentist on? Like, it's just so strange to me.

• 1:53:28Speaker 03

  Okay, so, I saw some pictures of the island, I saw this take on Twitter, I thought this was a great take. Uh, it goes-

• 1:53:36Speaker 03

  If anybody, if you believe that any of these billionaires are going to this island for the views of the amenities, you're out of your fucking mind. And I saw the pictures and it does just look like an all-inclusive resort. It doesn't, it doesn't look that fancy. It's like a Marriott somewhere.

• 1:53:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but still, private island is fire.

• 1:53:56Speaker 03

  Well, well, well, well, well.

• 1:53:57Speaker 04

  There's a use for it.

• 1:53:58Speaker 03

  Why is it, why is it fire?

• 1:54:00Mark Gagnon?

  I think just being on a private island is kind of fire.

• 1:54:03Speaker 04

  And why is that?

• 1:54:04Speaker 03

  Why is that?

• 1:54:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I ain't doing no fucking shit and I don't know where you're getting that.

• 1:54:07Speaker 04

  But you could do drugs.

• 1:54:08Speaker 03

  No, it's the same reason why being on the boat is fire. Being on someone's yacht is fire. Because there's no rules.

• 1:54:15Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 1:54:15Speaker 03

  That's what people get. When you're in the middle of the fucking sea, there's no cop that's pulling up and telling you what to do. So if you're going to the island, you don't need all the fancy amenities because the amenity is there's no rules and we can do anything here.

• 1:54:28Speaker 04

  You want to go skinny dip shore? You want to do drugs out in the open? Do it.

• 1:54:32Speaker 03

  It's like, like when we're kids, you build a fucking tree house or something like that. It's this idea that you have a space and there's nobody there watching and you can do whatever the fuck you want. That's what fucking old, you know, this is what these billionaires are doing. So the question is, if you're not going to make it fancy in this like ultra luxurious experience, it's not the Aman, right? If it's just a place that has beds and sleep and some food, what is there that's bringing the people there?

• 1:54:54Speaker 04

  What's the value prop?

• 1:54:55Mark Gagnon?

  What was that big square thing that's the color of the Israeli flag?

• 1:54:59Speaker 03

  Oh, the mosque?

• 1:55:01Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, what is that?

• 1:55:02Speaker 04

  It's an empty temple with nothing in it.

• 1:55:04Speaker 03

  That was the wildest wrinkle where they found like, there was like a piece of the cloth that covers the Kaaba at Mecca.

• 1:55:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55:11Speaker 03

  Like some, they gifted it to him or something.

• 1:55:13Speaker 04

  And the story was that he was using it as like a, like a, on his foot rug or whatever.

• 1:55:18Speaker 03

  Prayer rug?

• 1:55:18Speaker 04

  No, that he was using as like, this is the story, I don't know if this is true, but it's extremely sacrilegious if it is, that he was using it on like a, like a floor mat.

• 1:55:26Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 1:55:27Mark Gagnon?

  Oh shit.

• 1:55:28Speaker 04

  That's what the story was, I saw on Twitter. Someone fact-checked me on that, but.

• 1:55:31Mark Gagnon?

  Muslims come for them.

• 1:55:34Mark Gagnon?

  No, but what was that structure? Like, what happened in there?

• 1:55:37Speaker 04

  No one knows. It was a building, an outhouse, a shed.

• 1:55:41Mark Gagnon?

  But they're like, it's empty inside? Like, is it furnished? Like, what? It's just...

• 1:55:44Speaker 04

  They did an Invisalign.

• 1:55:47Mark Gagnon?

  That's where they were doing the...

• 1:55:48Speaker 04

  That's it. The whole thing was a dental operation, Al. Yes.

• 1:55:51Speaker 06

  It wasn't even finished inside. Like, it was like, partial walls and shit on the side.

• 1:55:56Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, they weren't done. Okay.

• 1:55:57Speaker 04

  Or...

• 1:55:58Speaker 06

  Or they tore that shit out and then...

• 1:56:00Speaker 04

  We see now, they busted it down, they built it to make it look crazy. I don't know. I also think there's an element of like, the satanic ritual abuse stuff, that I've heard people say this. I don't know if this is true or not. I don't even know necessarily how prevalent satanic ritual abuse is. Like, this kind of got like, kicked off with like, the satanic panic through the eighties. And then, kind of got like, written off. Like, oh, this is just like, you know, mentally deluded people, or schizophrenic people with these crazy delusions that are not true.

• 1:56:25Mark Gagnon?

  And then your guy bust into that spot in Cali.

• 1:56:28Speaker 04

  Wait, which guy?

• 1:56:30Mark Gagnon?

  The one we had on the podcast with the weird voice. You were just quoting him.

• 1:56:34Speaker 04

  RFK?

• 1:56:35Mark Gagnon?

  No, fat guy. We had him on the pod. Crazy dude. Conspiracy theory.

• 1:56:40Speaker 04

  Ah, Alex Jones.

• 1:56:41Mark Gagnon?

  Alex Jones, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he bust into that place and they were...

• 1:56:44Speaker 04

  Same first name as you, and you couldn't...

• 1:56:46Mark Gagnon?

  Alright.

• 1:56:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, he snuck into Bohemian Grove.

• 1:56:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:50Speaker 04

  And saw this ritual. It's difficult to say necessarily what was happening in Bohemian Grove was like, ritual abuse? It's possible, but I don't think he necessarily documented like, children being sacrificed for sexual abuse. With that said, part of me goes, is this done to poison the well? To make these claims seem so absurd?

• 1:57:09Mark Gagnon?

  Is what done?

• 1:57:11Speaker 04

  Like, satanic ritual abuse. Like, it's possible that these people are interfacing with like, a spiritual satanic force that controls the whole world. I'll leave room for that. I'm less moved by that theory. I'm more moved by the idea that these people do these things in a ritualistic way that seems absurd and theatric, so that if someone ever snitches on them, they go, "What are you telling me?" There was like all these famous people and there was a fire and everyone was dressed up like this is obviously absurd but it allows them to get away with it with some impunity because the story is so crazy and then not to mention the victims of any type of sexual abuse typically have trauma from it and if they stay in the system long enough they oftentimes will develop

• 1:57:52Speaker 04

  like you know emotional attachment issues you know chemical dependence on drugs or alcohol and that also affects their faculties later on so that their testimony of what happened to them is even more stripped from reality so you basically have this pool of the most vulnerable people in our society that can be abused with impunity because 20 years down the line when they go to testify

• 1:58:12Speaker 06

  Nobody will believe them.

• 1:58:13Speaker 04

  No one believes them their story is crazy there's holes and there's gaps in the stories because potentially they were on drugs when it happened or they had a substance abuse issue after it happened after they survived this trauma and then on top of you have a society that's like ah these bitches be lying so all that and then on top of that it's like oh they signed a deal that they would basically not testify against Epstein in 2008 because that's a part of his settlement with them and that they can't say anything and implicate anyone else so you have all of these things you have the legal system going against you you have the court of public opinion going against you and you have I mean straight up like biology and physiology and your own psychology being done against you through this trauma so I'm like yeah why are women not coming out about it now like look at Virginia Gufray

• 1:58:58Speaker 06

  She got killed.

• 1:58:59Speaker 04

  She is dead and

• 1:59:01Speaker 06

  Suicide.

• 1:59:02Speaker 04

  She might have

• 1:59:02Speaker 06

  Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, I did I say she got killed? I said she's dead, sorry.

• 1:59:06Speaker 03

  I mean it is wild like the most famous one who comes out just ends up killing himself.

• 1:59:10Speaker 06

  Sean, what was his name? Brunel?

• 1:59:12Speaker 04

  Jean-Luc Brunel.

• 1:59:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:59:13Speaker 04

  Also killed himself.

• 1:59:14Speaker 06

  Suicide.

• 1:59:15Speaker 03

  And what was Brunel again? He was the wrangler?

• 1:59:18Speaker 04

  He was connected and had like a fashion house in Paris and then was close allies with

• 1:59:23Speaker 03

  So that's the other thing it's like if you're a congressman you gotta be worried about them taking you out. And at first, they're not gonna take you out directly, right? They're gonna try to malign you and destroy your reputation and, you know, get the internet to come for you and just try to do whatever they can to strip you of your power. If you can get past that, then you gotta be worried about them just straight up killing you. And that's if you're a sitting member of Congress. If you're a girl that has been trafficked for her, not only adult, but like juvenile life, they already think of you as disposable. You can't even imagine what they would do. And you would hope that your lawyer would have some sort of protection. But there's also a version where it's just like, what law agency is taking this claim up, knowing full well the people they're going up against?

• 2:00:08Speaker 03

  You don't think that they're getting some nods and some phone calls like, hey, it would be in your best interest not to take up this case?

• 2:00:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, which is why I think like the material conditions that underline all this, like wealth inequality and all that shit, is something that should be acknowledged because Epstein was able to do so much of what he did. He was able to travel on a private jet to a private island to commit crimes because he was rich. He was able to meet and connect with all these really powerful people because he was rich and just aggrandized more power. And these victims were doing these things and taking these modeling contracts and in many ways were being coerced because of their

• 2:00:42Speaker 03

  They had nothing.

• 2:00:43Speaker 04

  Their financial conditions, they weren't able to get lawyers because they were poor. The other people that are surrounding

• 2:00:47Speaker 03

  From their families, they were

• 2:00:49Speaker 04

  They were intimidated, coerced, they couldn't get legal support. And then all the other people surrounding this that all are hush about it, are also hushed because the material conditions put them in a position where they need the money. And they're not gonna speak out against generational wealth for their family.

• 2:01:01Speaker 03

  Also, they're in a very peculiar situation where it's like if they do speak out about it, they indict themselves.

• 2:01:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:01:07Speaker 03

  Right? So it's gonna take somebody who's willing for the whole world to be like, you aided and abetted pedophiles in the destruction of children. That being said, by doing it, you maybe get to expose it. So it's not, you're not gonna be ever looked at as a hero, but it is a brave act that doesn't take away from the horrible destruction you did. But it does, before you die, you get to at least do one good thing. But then you go, okay, well, those people now have families, they have kids in school. Like, what happens? So all these people that aided and abetted, that might not even be doing that, they might even be in the business anymore. They might be selling insurance somewhere. They might have a fucking coffee shop somewhere. But they know what they were part of. Are they gonna speak up?

• 2:01:51Speaker 03

  Are they gonna stay silent until their name is revealed? Think about it.

• 2:01:54Speaker 06

  There's a woman going through that right now. She's a former New York city-based DA. And she's the one who like argued for Epstein to have a lower level of sexual, whatever that's called.

• 2:02:07Speaker 03

  Charge.

• 2:02:07Speaker 06

  Charge, basically, so that he would either be like a sex predator for a year on the list, or for like his whole life.

• 2:02:13Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:02:14Speaker 06

  Levels within it. She argued it should be lower, yada, yada, and then she's backed out of the DA and like got herself out of it because her name's all over the list. And it's like, was she, it was compartmentalized? Was she aware? Was someone talking to her in her ear? Like, it's a, it's a tough thing to navigate. Was she a bad person?

• 2:02:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:31Speaker 06

  Doing bad stuff?

• 2:02:32Speaker 03

  I don't know what person argues for you to have a lesser charge for trafficking children.

• 2:02:38Speaker 06

  The argument is she only had the data in front of her from the Florida thing. And in the Florida thing, it's a super light charge. So she's arguing, yeah, it should be fine. But apparently, if you look into her, her past and her history, she's attached to Weinstein and all these other things. And it's, yeah. There's people in the files who are actively changing their lives right now.

• 2:03:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:02Mark Gagnon?

  Some guy bought Epstein Island. Did you guys go?

• 2:03:06Speaker 03

  Would I go to the island? No.

• 2:03:09Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, now it's not Epstein. Now it's just an island.

• 2:03:14Speaker 06

  Well, who buys it?

• 2:03:15Mark Gagnon?

  That's what I'm saying. What if, what if it's a cool guy?

• 2:03:18Speaker 06

  A cool billionaire.

• 2:03:19Speaker 03

  Wait, are you saying go to a party?

• 2:03:21Mark Gagnon?

  I'm just saying. Wouldn't you just go in general? Some guy bought it.

• 2:03:26Speaker 06

  I mean, for what purpose am I going? What's the, what is, what is the condition?

• 2:03:29Mark Gagnon?

  Hey, this is like, this is the new St. Bart's.

• 2:03:33Speaker 06

  Do I get to investigate? Can I get to go around and check out the bunkers and report all of it on a YouTube?

• 2:03:36Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I'm pretty sure everything's knocked down. It's just new. It's just like.

• 2:03:39Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 2:03:40Mark Gagnon?

  They've just.

• 2:03:41Speaker 06

  If I get to go do like a cool YouTube documentary, explore it around, like that guy, I don't remember his name, on YouTube did this, where he's stuck on the island at 2023, and that's where we get a lot of the images? Yeah. Hell, yeah, that's awesome. They're like a part of an uncovering, you're part of the.

• 2:03:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:55Speaker 06

  They're getting the information out there as far.

• 2:03:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:57Speaker 06

  But just to go part in an island, bro, at this point, I'm good. I got a kid.

• 2:04:01Mark Gagnon?

  What did the island do to you?

• 2:04:05Speaker 04

  Dude, you are Puerto Rican, bro. Islands are beautiful. Nothing wrong with an island, you know?

• 2:04:12Mark Gagnon?

  Really, bro? We're gonna punish the island? Yeah.

• 2:04:16Speaker 03

  The island was there before Epstein was gonna be there after.

• 2:04:18Mark Gagnon?

  That's exactly, exactly.

• 2:04:20Speaker 04

  You gotta pull Billy Island. Dude, no one's a sex trafficker on stolen land. You know what I mean? Come on.

• 2:04:25Speaker 03

  No, that's a good point. Are you never gonna go to Germany?

• 2:04:30Speaker 03

  You know, you're never gonna go to Poland?

• 2:04:32Speaker 04

  No, you gotta, you gotta give it some time. You gotta give it some time.

• 2:04:36Speaker 03

  You gotta sit on the island for a little bit. You can't build anything there. What do you even put there? What could you put there to? Yeah, you gotta at least wait 18 years.

• 2:04:43Speaker 04

  Exactly. 420, I mean, we don't need to put that specific number, but...

• 2:04:48Mark Gagnon?

  I'm just saying. Are we silly or not?

• 2:04:53Speaker 03

  Our topic is silly, but you're finding it, though.

• 2:04:55Mark Gagnon?

  I don't try, I don't try.

• 2:04:56Speaker 04

  No, no, I actually respect this effort immensely. True, I do. Yeah, but, I mean, nah, I'm probably not gonna go. Probably gonna skip on that one.

• 2:05:04Speaker 03

  Has there been anybody who went to the island that described their experience?

• 2:05:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:05:09Speaker 03

  Who?

• 2:05:09Speaker 04

  I think Brett Weinstein. I don't know if he went specifically to the island, but he met with Epstein and has been like very forthcoming with the entire, the nature of their conversation.

• 2:05:17Speaker 03

  And what did he say?

• 2:05:18Speaker 04

  Basically, like Epstein just had an interest in, I mean, this is again paraphrased, I don't...

• 2:05:22Speaker 03

  He, he had a hilarious thing. He was talking about the, the way that they were speaking about non-Jews in the, in the Epstein files. Did you see his tweet about that? And he's like, "I've, I've known Jews my entire life, grew up with Jews. We have never spoken about non-Jews about, like this once ever. This has never happened. This is something completely unique to Epstein and his cronies. This has never happened." And it's just like, dude, just watch Jackie Mason's comedy.

• 2:05:48Speaker 03

  It's just not, it's not that crazy. This is what people did back in the 70s. You're just like, "This is our group and other groups are different and we'll make fun of them because of it. I grew up in a Jewish family with many Jewish friends. There was Jewish pride, but I never once heard anything like the derisive exclusionary talk in the Epstein files. It is grotesque, anti-American, anti-Western. There's no place in our society, especially near power." That is true. But to say you've never heard that?

• 2:06:14Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:15Speaker 04

  He just sounds like a goy to me, dude.

• 2:06:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:06:18Speaker 07

  He's just spitting goy slop.

• 2:06:21Speaker 04

  Cause now everyone uses goy, you know what I mean? Like we've kind of reclaimed our word. We've taken it back.

• 2:06:26Speaker 03

  Dude, we finally found a word for white people that we're offended by.

• 2:06:30Mark Gagnon?

  Really?

• 2:06:31Speaker 03

  Black people been trying to do this for years.

• 2:06:33Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I gotta tell all my people.

• 2:06:35Speaker 03

  Just start calling white dudes goy.

• 2:06:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:06:39Speaker 03

  That shit hit. That's our N word for real.

• 2:06:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:06:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is. Now, the problem is you're also a goy.

• 2:06:44Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, no.

• 2:06:45Speaker 04

  Technically.

• 2:06:46Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 2:06:46Mark Gagnon?

  She's like, no, I don't want to be that.

• 2:06:48Speaker 03

  You are a goy.

• 2:06:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:06:50Speaker 03

  You're a big old fucking goy.

• 2:06:51Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, I don't like it that.

• 2:06:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:06:52Speaker 04

  You're an island goy. That's what you are, dude. You're a goy, dude. You're a little goyum. You're a little goy cattle. Did you like the Super Bowl watching a little goy slop? Just eating it up?

• 2:07:07Mark Gagnon?

  Uh, Chris Tucker, I think he spoke about it.

• 2:07:08Speaker 03

  What'd he say?

• 2:07:09Mark Gagnon?

  Spoke about his time on the island. Can we find that? Cause I think.

• 2:07:12Speaker 04

  Also, as an identity.

• 2:07:13Mark Gagnon?

  He went on the plane a few times.

• 2:07:14Speaker 04

  It was Eric White's son that talked about it, not Brett.

• 2:07:16Speaker 03

  Not Brett, Eric. Got it.

• 2:07:17Speaker 04

  Brett may have talked about it also, but the guy I'm talking about specifically was Eric.

• 2:07:20Mark Gagnon?

  I blame Epstein for the reason why we never got another Rush Hour.

• 2:07:24Speaker 03

  Hmm, but aren't we getting one now?

• 2:07:25Speaker 04

  Bro, did you see Jackie Chan talking about Rush Hour?

• 2:07:28Speaker 03

  No, what'd he say?

• 2:07:29Speaker 04

  This is so funny. Jackie Chan is doing an interview talking about Rush Hour and he's like, "I went and I did this movie." I'm not gonna do the accent. He's like, "I went and I did this movie and it was the worst movie I'd ever read. I thought it was a terrible script and then my agent calls me and goes, 'The movie's number one. They want to do a sequel immediately.'" I was like, "What?" And then we did the sequel. He's like, "I just don't understand American humor. American jokes make no sense to me. Never touch a black guy's radio. Why?"

• 2:07:55Speaker 04

  He's white. He did the whole movie, three of them, didn't understand any of the jokes. Jackie Chan has no idea why it's funny.

• 2:08:03Speaker 03

  Maybe that's why it's funny.

• 2:08:04Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:05Speaker 03

  Dude. Cause he was acting dramatically.

• 2:08:08Speaker 04

  He wasn't acting, bro. It's unbelievable, bro.

• 2:08:11Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 2:08:12Mark Gagnon?

  All right, let's see what Chris Tucker got to say.

• 2:08:13Speaker 07

  You know, we flew, uh, Bill Clinton and a lot of different, uh, well, that was a humanitarian trip to Africa. And I, I met him on that trip because it was his plane. I didn't know who plane we was getting on, but it was a whole bunch of dignitary people. We was with a delegation and yeah, I, I met him and, and you know, you don't know people, what they do with their private lives, so, yeah.

• 2:08:39Speaker 07

  He was on that private plane and you could tell that it was a private plane because they called it, what's this Lolita Express? Oh yeah, it was a private plane. Yes. Oh, yes. Oh, wait a minute. You didn't never go to that island, did you? No, no, no, no.

• 2:08:57Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, I thought he said, my bad. I thought he was talking about he wasn't. But I thought he was on the plane multiple times. With all due respect, who is he talking to?

• 2:09:07Mark Gagnon?

  Is he talking like the bad guy in Trudy Detective?

• 2:09:10Speaker 03

  But he's on Instagram Live getting interviewed about the Epstein shit.

• 2:09:13Speaker 07

  So you went to the plane?

• 2:09:16Mark Gagnon?

  And Chris is like, yeah, man, I went, I jumped on the plane. It's like, this is news. I'm just, this is funny. Why would you do black accent, but you won't do Asian accent? Come on, bro. I'm trying to get on SNL. I don't want to do Asian accent. You know what I mean? You can do black accent. That's fine. You can do so. That's fine. Also, black people are Americans, all right? Asians. Oh, wow.

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• 2:11:05Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, wow. Dig, yeah, keep digging, motherfucker.

• 2:11:10Speaker 04

  Yo, shut up, boy.

• 2:11:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yo, you gotta shut your goy ass up. Dude, he just said to all agents, "They're fake citizens."

• 2:11:18Speaker 04

  Hold it, Jake Paul.

• 2:11:22Speaker 04

  No, I don't know why. Why is that? I guess I wasn't, because, yeah, nah. I didn't really have a leg to stand on here.

• 2:11:28Mark Gagnon?

  Go ahead.

• 2:11:28Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm gonna die. Go ahead.

• 2:11:33Speaker 04

  I might be doing a Puerto Rican accent. Who's really to say?

• 2:11:34Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm, yep.

• 2:11:36Speaker 04

  So you went on a plane.

• 2:11:39Speaker 04

  Who is that guy?

• 2:11:42Speaker 06

  So we're gonna have someone break all this shit down for us next week in a much better way.

• 2:11:45Speaker 04

  Exactly. We're gonna get the guy that interviewed Chris Tucker.

• 2:11:50Mark Gagnon?

  He's gonna get to the bottom of it.

• 2:11:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:11:53Mark Gagnon?

  No, but I do wanna know the real shit, though. Like, I think, well, you know a lot, but I still think it's like surface-level shit. I wanna know the real. What is the real? Who's reading all these fucking documents? That's, I wanna speak to that first. What's the real? Like... Who actually read the documents? That's, that's what I wanna know.

• 2:12:12Speaker 06

  Yeah. It'll also be awesome to see if Thomas Massey starts naming shit in the next week.

• 2:12:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:12:17Mark Gagnon?

  What does he have to lose outside of getting murdered? Like, what does he have to lose by doing it?

• 2:12:23Speaker 06

  Outside of that, not much. I mean, his family, but like, I don't know.

• 2:12:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, his life, his reputation. They'll find a hard drive on his computer that's like, "Oh, look what we found on your place. Isn't that crazy? You were projecting this whole time." People, this is a dirty game, dawg.

• 2:12:36Mark Gagnon?

  Wouldn't they have already done that? That's what I'm saying. Like, now that he is teasing it. He's clean. He knows, he knows.

• 2:12:40Speaker 04

  It's a dirty game? I don't know. I don't know. You go up against the institutional powers that be. They have many ways to take you down. I don't know.

• 2:12:48Mark Gagnon?

  But then he would've stopped already. It seems like he wants to do it, him and Roe. I think if they did it...

• 2:12:56Speaker 03

  Man.

• 2:12:57Speaker 04

  To start naming shit on the congress floor, you're saying?

• 2:12:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, are you, you're a hero. Now, granted, you have to make sure that these things are investigated. But who do you trust to investigate? That's also the thing. It's like, who do you trust to investigate? How can you make sure that they're actually investigated? I'm sure that's what the FBI is saying. It's like, oh, the reason why we're redacting is because there's a current investigation into this. It's like, oh, is there a current one? Have you been investigating this for the last fucking 20 years? Is that what's happening?

• 2:13:24Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah. Didn't they like, open up another investigation just so they can like, not release certain shit?

• 2:13:30Speaker 03

  I would be surprised.

• 2:13:30Mark Gagnon?

  I remember like, right before they were gonna release it.

• 2:13:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:13:33Mark Gagnon?

  They like, opened up another investigation.

• 2:13:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. And then there's all these people that like, I basically was saying the same on camp where I was like, yeah, I just like, what do I do? Like, what do you do with this information? Like, how do you react, like, knowing that the world is run by the most evil people ever? Like, how do you deal with that? And I was like, you focus on what you can control. And then people were mad. They were like, no, man, you can't do that. You gotta speak out. You gotta revolt, da, da, da, da. What does that mean? Like, the people I talk to don't wanna like, destroy everything, don't wanna like, protest. People are expecting that. They don't want that to happen.

• 2:14:05Mark Gagnon?

  I was gonna make a bad joke. It's like, I mean, it's the same way you still go to the Catholic church.

• 2:14:10Speaker 04

  So they got rid of those people. They moved them to a different parish.

• 2:14:15Mark Gagnon?

  I'm sure they just all stopped being benefactors over there.

• 2:14:18Speaker 03

  Well, the Catholic church is a good example. It's like, let's say that they didn't, let's say they didn't just move them to a different parish. They call it parish?

• 2:14:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:14:26Speaker 03

  Let's say they did. Let's say they locked them all up. The Catholic church still exists. The institution still exists. And I think that there is this like, you even heard Massey and Roe talking about it, like, you know, if these names come out, we could look at the implosion of foreign governments, all this other stuff. I don't know if that happens. Like, I think a lot of these people in positions of power, we replace them regularly. So we can replace these people, and the whole idea of democracy, if we're actually gonna have one, is that people are replaced. We don't want Pelosi in there for fucking 60 years, right? We don't want these lifers. We want people to be in and out, ideally. And the new people are coming in, reflecting the problems of the people currently, not people that are talking. About managing or maintaining the status quo because it just benefits them and their cronies.

• 2:15:09Speaker 03

  So the idea of like the system imploding, I don't think the system implodes. I think that you get a new version of people who are running the system and they will ultimately, if they're not already ready, be corrupted, of course, and then those people will need to be shedded again. And that's just how it goes. I mean, because when we don't shed the people in charge, you look at the countries that have these like dictators for long periods of time. It just gets more and more corrupt, like absolute power corrupts. What is it? A power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, or whatever the Animal Farm quote is. But um, so yeah, this idea like everything falls apart. I don't know if it does. Oh, the CEO of some bank needs to step down? Okay. What is the bank also closed? No, right? People are gonna still pay their fucking mortgage.

• 2:15:54Speaker 03

  The banks can still lend out money that they just print and the system continues.

• 2:15:58Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, at the end of the day, at least there'll be justice.

• 2:16:00Speaker 03

  That's what I, that's what I hope for, but this idea like we can't, what if we let these names out? The whole, there'll be a global financial collapse and governments will fall apart. It's like, no, they won't actually. Yeah, like every four, eight years, we have a new dude that just goes in and takes charge of the most powerful country in the world. It's kind of like an insane concept, right? You don't think we can manage locking up a couple of these fucking pedophiles?

• 2:16:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Snuck them up, man.

• 2:16:23Speaker 03

  It seems like, it seems like a stoking fear to pacify the public.

• 2:16:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like the too big to fail thing. It's like, we're just gonna bail them out because the alternative would be disastrous.

• 2:16:33Speaker 03

  Disaster for everybody. It's like, oh, will it? Well, let's try it out. Let's try it out and see. Yeah, I, I'd imagine we'd be pretty resilient, knowing that powerful people were given justice for their heinous crimes. Yeah, I'd imagine that we'd be okay with, I don't think that we'd be, I don't think we'd be riding the streets if we know that there was justice that was given to them. Yeah, I think we might be riding the streets if we know that they were avoiding justice.

• 2:16:54Speaker 04

  Another cover up? Yeah.

• 2:16:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know if Epstein's dead or not, but I know he's in hell. And he's proven to me that we're all in hell with him.

• 2:17:06Speaker 04

  Just looking around like, all right, what do we do? This whole thing is run by the worst people ever. All right. It makes me sad.

• 2:17:14Speaker 04

  But the Super Bowl was good, you know, at least we got that.

• 2:17:17Mark Gagnon?

  The circus was good. That scared me a little bit.

• 2:17:19Speaker 04

  No, Super Bowl was fine.

• 2:17:21Speaker 03

  All right, guys. We're gonna go on to Patreon. Talk about Tony A and Uncle Murda pressing Ja Rule. Yeah. Okay? Before Mark slits his wrist.

• 2:17:33Speaker 03

  Love y'all, appreciate y'all. Hang with us over there. Peace.