She Got Arrested On Financial Audit

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:54Caleb Hammer?

  Is this her first time getting arrested?

• 0:56Speaker 03

  It just pisses me off. He's allowed to treat me however the [bleep] he wants to treat me, and I just have to be okay with it. I feel like after this whole thing, it is gonna be the end. I think that he's gonna say whatever is gonna make him look the best.

• 1:07Caleb Hammer?

  We all know what you did to him. We know where the story [bleep] ends. That's not gonna work. There's a villain here. Right now, you're the villain.

• 1:15Speaker 03

  I slapped him, and then he [bleep] out of the shower and pushed me real [bleep] hard.

• 1:18Caleb Hammer?

  Buddy, you told me you never put your hands on her. You guys have been dating six months, and you've given her a concussion.

• 1:22Speaker 03

  That happened twice. That wasn't twice. In one night.

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• 2:10Speaker 04

  Hello?

• 2:11Speaker 05

  It's Lindsay, what's up?

• 2:13Speaker 04

  Hey, what's going on?

• 2:14Speaker 05

  Hey, what's going on?

• 2:16Speaker 04

  Hey, a lot's going on, actually. A lot.

• 2:19Speaker 05

  Okay. Okay.

• 2:21Speaker 04

  So right now, my alarm is going off for the fire alarm for the...

• 2:28Speaker 05

  The hotel?

• 2:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:33Speaker 05

  What?

• 2:34Speaker 04

  In jail.

• 2:35Speaker 05

  Why?

• 2:37Speaker 04

  For putting your hands on me.

• 2:42Speaker 05

  Wha- uh...

• 2:46Speaker 05

  Okay, what?

• 2:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's in jail because, uh... Where do I start? So she punched me in the face multiple times. Uh, more of the story. She's in jail.

• 3:09Speaker 05

  Uh, and what's this? When you guys got to the hotel?

• 3:13Speaker 04

  Uh, not long after that. She brought one pair of shoes. Her feet were blessed, and we walked to the 7-Eleven.

• 3:19Speaker 05

  Right.

• 3:21Speaker 04

  And, you know, I was trying to be supportive of her. Eventually, we got into it. I'm like, "I'm just going back to the hotel. You know, I'll meet you back there whenever you decide to come back." And she was... We were at the gas station for 30 minutes comfortably, you know what I mean?

• 3:35Speaker 05

  Right.

• 3:35Speaker 04

  And she was not willing to walk back. She was like, "I'm gonna get a taxi." Whatever, you know what I mean? There's been so much going on in my head.

• 3:42Speaker 05

  I know.

• 3:42Speaker 04

  Just be honest.

• 3:43Speaker 05

  I know.

• 3:44Speaker 04

  She's in jail. It's been so much in the last few hours. I'm crying.

• 3:48Speaker 05

  I can imagine. I'm so sorry.

• 3:51Speaker 04

  It's not your fault. I'm just...

• 3:52Speaker 05

  I know, but...

• 3:53Speaker 04

  I do not know what the [bleep] to do at all right now. I'm kind of like, just... Just everything that's happened, it's not on me, you know what I mean? At all. It's not my fault. I've been supportive regardless. When we were at the gas station, I went to the clerk and was like, "Hey, do you have any, like, bandages or anything, or like, gauze that I can, like, get for her, you know?"

• 4:13Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 4:14Speaker 04

  Being supportive of her.

• 4:15Speaker 05

  Right.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  And, um, whatever. So she's just not very aware of it. She's in pain. I offered to go to the store alone. You didn't want to do that. You wanted to go with me. When I went back up to the room, she's like, "I don't want you here. I'm gonna call the cops if you don't leave." It's like, "Well, what have I done wrong? Like, why are you gonna call the cops? You know what I mean? Like, I literally haven't been with you, so you're gonna call the cops and have me leave? Like, I have my name on this room too, you know what I mean? I haven't put my hands on you. I haven't raised my voice to you. You're just mad at me."

• 4:44Speaker 05

  Right.

• 4:45Speaker 04

  So she pretends to get on the phone and call the cops. And then after that, I'm like, well, like... I called her retarded one time. One time. She was probably gonna say five, but I said, "Well, you're retarded." You know what I mean? Like, I said it one time. And then after that, like, I got punched in the face five times.

• 5:03Speaker 05

  Five times she punched you in the face?

• 5:05Speaker 04

  Five times. And I'm like, "All right, I'm calling the [bleep] cops now. Like, you wanna call the... You wanna threaten to call the cops on me? I'm calling the cops." So I end up calling the cops. And the cops come, and they end up taking her, and I'm the one that's, you know what I mean? Like, the victim in the situation. She's getting cuffs, and she's now in jail.

• 5:25Speaker 05

  Do you know what jail she's at?

• 5:28Speaker 04

  She's at the Austin Jail.

• 5:29Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 5:31Speaker 04

  And like I said, I'm so sorry for everything. This wasn't my intention. Um, it was more like, uh, you know what I mean? Like, uh, if you're gonna call the cops on me for nothing, then I'm gonna call the cops on you for something that's just...

• 5:46Speaker 05

  Well, no, no. Here's the thing, sweetie. I wanna make this work. Like, let's get her out.

• 5:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:52Speaker 05

  And I will... We have to film.

• 6:01Caleb Hammer?

  So Chat, at this point, you have seen the phone calls that have been happening. Now, we think we've figured out a way to get her out of jail for free, surprisingly. So we are gonna go pick up... Is it her husband or boyfriend?

• 6:13Speaker 03

  Boyfriend. Her boyfriend.

• 6:14Caleb Hammer?

  I always say I go in blind, and that's relatively true. I knew nothing about them, other than she got arrested. So we are gonna go pick him up and then go to the jail?

• 6:23Speaker 03

  We're gonna go to the jail and pick her up when she's released. We don't know when she'll be released. I was given a timeframe with a two-hour window, allegedly.

• 6:33Caleb Hammer?

  So welcome to Financial Audit Goes to Jail.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  Financial Audit Live.

• 6:37Caleb Hammer?

  On-site, buddy.

• 6:37Speaker 03

  What's happening?

• 6:38Caleb Hammer?

  On-site. We left the desk.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  For once.

• 6:41Caleb Hammer?

  For once. Well, we've been chasing him down recently. That's true.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  I did ask me to...

• 6:47Caleb Hammer?

  Shout out to the TikToks taking our content. Actually, that comes out around Christmas, so you'll see that. No, you did it for a post-show. Yeah, but that other one was very different. Okay. Time to go to jail. Let's go to jail.

• 7:05Caleb Hammer?

  Chat, we are on our way. Halloween candy in hand.

• 7:10Caleb Hammer?

  You should pant to the other fat ass. He knew who I was talking about. Look at him go. Well, we're the only two eating candy. No, you're huge. You're massive.

• 7:19Speaker 03

  I already ate candy. That's why.

• 7:20Caleb Hammer?

  And you're not?

• 7:21Speaker 03

  I'm not eating any.

• 7:22Caleb Hammer?

  Comparatively, no. Well, no, because you didn't grow past 5'4". Remember when you called Togi a dumbass for bailing people out of jail? And now we're here, six months later.

• 7:31Speaker 03

  She got personal bond, so technically, technically, we're not bailing her up. But we are helping by picking her up. We changed their travel. We are helping. We are contributing to a criminal right now.

• 7:45Caleb Hammer?

  Now, was this lawyer that we were talking to, did he, like, help her?

• 7:51Speaker 03

  I don't... He checked in and gave me information as to what was going on, and he was very helpful. Best in the business.

• 8:00Caleb Hammer?

  Best in the business?

• 8:01Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 8:02Caleb Hammer?

  Big fan.

• 8:02Speaker 03

  Yep. I come bearing cameras, my friend. Pleasure to meet you. I come bearing friends.

• 8:08Caleb Hammer?

  What is happening, my guy?

• 8:09Speaker 03

  Caleb Hammer's here.

• 8:10Caleb Hammer?

  What is happening? How you doing?

• 8:12Speaker 04

  A lot, man. A lot is happening.

• 8:14Caleb Hammer?

  I bet.

• 8:16Speaker 03

  So...

• 8:16Caleb Hammer?

  Sounds like you got a little, uh... A little, uh, touched with fists.

• 8:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. Luckily, no marks, though. Just, uh, just this... This time.

• 8:27Caleb Hammer?

  Good fuck. Oh, this time?

• 8:28Speaker 04

  This time, yeah.

• 8:29Speaker 03

  There have been others.

• 8:30Caleb Hammer?

  I have a feeling we're gonna learn more about that, pretty soon, huh?

• 8:33Speaker 04

  This is a... This is a, uh... I wish I could say not a single, but it's happened quite a few times now.

• 8:42Caleb Hammer?

  Wow.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:43Caleb Hammer?

  Dude, I don't even know. I'm... How do you feel about the fact that she got arrested? We're about to go get her out of jail right now.

• 8:49Speaker 04

  It's stupid. Honestly, the whole thing's stupid. But, you know, what can you do?

• 8:56Caleb Hammer?

  The cops showed up here to this hotel?

• 8:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:58Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, good fuck.

• 8:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:59Caleb Hammer?

  Geez.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  Yep, had to deal with that for basically all night, making calls and I just got like three hours of sleep, so.

• 9:09Caleb Hammer?

  Is this her first time getting arrested?

• 9:10Speaker 04

  No.

• 9:12Caleb Hammer?

  Is this her first time getting arrested for domestic abuse?

• 9:15Speaker 04

  She got arrested for unrelated stuff. I want to say she lost her license and got arrested for OUI. Um, and I want to say another thing, I just don't know exactly.

• 9:26Caleb Hammer?

  OUI?

• 9:27Speaker 03

  Out. Operating under influence, yeah.

• 9:31Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, we'll learn.

• 9:32Speaker 03

  We'll learn.

• 9:33Caleb Hammer?

  Alright, well, I say we go get her.

• 9:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's at the 7-Eleven, but I have the address.

• 9:38Caleb Hammer?

  She's out?

• 9:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's out. Yeah.

• 9:40Speaker 03

  Oh. When did that happen?

• 9:42Speaker 04

  She must, like, 20 minutes ago. Yeah, she's out.

• 9:45Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, what the?

• 9:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  You talked to her?

• 9:48Speaker 04

  I had just called her. Her mom called me and told me that she got out and I messaged her, I said, "We're coming to get you, stay put," so she ended up walking the step off.

• 9:58Caleb Hammer?

  So she's just walked out of jail down to a 7-Eleven, that's where she's hanging out?

• 10:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:02Speaker 03

  Does she know you're coming to get her?

• 10:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:04Caleb Hammer?

  Does she know we're coming to get her?

• 10:06Speaker 04

  I said the production crew, so.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 10:09Caleb Hammer?

  We are the production crew. And don't.

• 10:11Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 10:12Caleb Hammer?

  The next thing she hears will be...

• 10:14Speaker 04

  It's been very vague. We haven't really talked at all, really.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  So.

• 10:20Caleb Hammer?

  We're gonna keep you guys relatively separated, I think, right? Until, pretty much until showtime.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:27Caleb Hammer?

  I think.

• 10:27Speaker 03

  We want to film today.

• 10:28Speaker 04

  Today?

• 10:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:29Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 10:30Speaker 03

  So.

• 10:31Caleb Hammer?

  We're ready, baby.

• 10:32Speaker 03

  We'll chat with her.

• 10:34Speaker 03

  I know you and I have talked about this, you want to film this. I think we kind of have to do it today.

• 10:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:41Caleb Hammer?

  That's the reality, because I need the real story to know what's going on in y'all's life. If you guys sit overnight, all of a sudden start talking, we start gaslighting, I don't know what she's gonna do. I need this, and things might happen again. I need it fresh.

• 10:55Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 10:55Caleb Hammer?

  Let's go get her.

• 10:56Speaker 03

  Let's go.

• 10:57Speaker 04

  Let's go.

• 11:02Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, there goes the police.

• 11:04Speaker 00

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• 11:29Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, oh, oh. Were they watching her? Seeing what she's done afterwards?

• 11:36Caleb Hammer?

  No, not in this town. This is, I know where the jail is. I've eaten breakfast near it multiple times. This is a weird spot for her to end up.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  We're far, but it'd be...

• 11:47Speaker 03

  She doesn't know what car we're in, so.

• 11:50Caleb Hammer?

  Travis County Facility Manager is here. You think she's getting a, oh, there is a police car here, literally. The police dropped her off, that wouldn't happen, that's weird. Ah, yes, you do look like you just crawled out of a dumpster.

• 12:08Caleb Hammer?

  Now, we cans from the prison food?

• 12:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, I actually didn't eat any of the prison food. It was just bread and sliced cheese.

• 12:15Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 12:18Caleb Hammer?

  What is going on here, guys?

• 12:20Speaker 05

  I want to take a nap.

• 12:21Speaker 04

  You do? Well, I don't know if that's gonna happen.

• 12:26Caleb Hammer?

  Is this her stuff, her stuff that got handed to you when she got put in jail?

• 12:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:30Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, meds, I'm glad to see you off meds. I'm sure that works really well.

• 12:38Speaker 04

  So...

• 12:38Caleb Hammer?

  How do you feel seeing her for the first time since she beat you in the face and got arrested and thrown in jail for the night?

• 12:46Speaker 04

  I'm, it's, I mean, I'm happy to see her and alive, I guess.

• 12:56Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 12:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I don't know, it's, it's kind of weird. I'm not gonna lie.

• 13:00Caleb Hammer?

  Why?

• 13:01Speaker 04

  I don't know, just, I don't know where we stand right now, if she wants to be with me, if she doesn't, if...

• 13:07Caleb Hammer?

  How are you feeling, creature?

• 13:09Speaker 05

  Um, I don't know.

• 13:12Caleb Hammer?

  You know, no, you just got out of jail, you know why? Because you've beat this man in the ass, in his face.

• 13:19Caleb Hammer?

  I don't even know how you feel. I think you would have some feelings, you're clearly someone that has feelings.

• 13:27Speaker 05

  I'm, um, I don't know, the way he just hit me.

• 13:31Caleb Hammer?

  How does he treat you?

• 13:33Speaker 05

  Like shit.

• 13:34Caleb Hammer?

  Like shit all the time, so that's an excuse to abuse someone?

• 13:37Speaker 05

  No, no, it's not an excuse. Hitting is never okay.

• 13:40Caleb Hammer?

  Hitting is never okay, says the hitter.

• 13:42Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 13:42Caleb Hammer?

  How many hits did you land?

• 13:44Speaker 05

  I think we needed...

• 13:45Caleb Hammer?

  It was five.

• 13:49Caleb Hammer?

  You guys were supposed to fly down here, come on my show this morning at 11. It is, what, 5, 4, something like that?

• 13:59Caleb Hammer?

  Because you got locked up.

• 14:07Caleb Hammer?

  We need to take this through the studio and I need to learn what's going on.

• 14:12Caleb Hammer?

  Because you're clearly fucked up. Or this man's a complete piece of shit and I have no idea what's going on, but we need to get to the bottom of it. Healthy mixture. We'll find out, let's go back to the studio.

• 14:30Caleb Hammer?

  Who's the first people you called? What happened last night once she got arrested?

• 14:33Speaker 04

  So, the first person I called was, um, I believe, uh, her mom.

• 14:39Caleb Hammer?

  Wow.

• 14:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:41Caleb Hammer?

  What did her mom say?

• 14:42Speaker 04

  Her mom was not impressed.

• 14:44Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, oh.

• 14:45Speaker 04

  She was actually pissed.

• 14:46Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah?

• 14:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:48Caleb Hammer?

  Well, no shit, who was she pissed at, you or her?

• 14:50Speaker 04

  Uh, mainly her, but she was a little disappointed in me and calling the cops, but not, you know. She understood, but just, she wished that something else happened, but, you know, when you get pushed to this point, it's kind of, you know what I mean?

• 15:05Speaker 05

  How far is the jail from that 7-Eleven? Uh, it's like a 10-minute walk, but I didn't have, these shoes have been cutting into my feet, so I've, which is why him and I got into an argument in the first place. It's because my feet are all blistered and he was calling me a bitch, like a pussy, saying I should just, you know, stop complaining about it, basically, so.

• 15:25Caleb Hammer?

  Now, obviously, we do want to hear her side, so, once we get into the whole dispute, I want to go, I want to hear it from both of you together. I don't want to just get your side now. So, we're gonna get into that once we're sitting down at the main set, but,

• 15:42Caleb Hammer?

  let's go in through your head right now, I want to know, about the whole situation that has happened. Because you guys, you guys just came down here to film a show, you came down here to show. You're not expecting a whole WWE thing going on.

• 15:56Speaker 04

  No, um, there's a lot going through my mind, uh, mainly just making sure that she gets, you know, to the hotel safely and, uh,

• 16:08Speaker 04

  stress, like, just, I don't know what is gonna happen between us. Um, hopefully, you know, she can get some help, because I think she needs it.

• 16:17Caleb Hammer?

  What kind of help does she need?

• 16:18Speaker 04

  Mental help.

• 16:20Speaker 05

  It happened within two hours of us landing, like, we got, we landed and got to the hotel. Uh, we weren't, we weren't able to check in until like 4. AM? PM? Yeah, we landed at like 12 PM, noon. We weren't able to check in until 4, so we had to just kind of putt around and find stuff to do. Um, so we ended up walking to the store to go and get some drinks and try to get some bandages for my feet, because my feet have been blistering since the airport in Philadelphia. So, uh, yeah, we walked to the closest store we could find. I didn't want him going by himself, because in times past, he's gone to the store to get stuff for me and then,

• 16:57Speaker 05

  if he can't find what he's looking for, he'll either come back empty-handed, or, I mean, I like, I, I get it, he's grabbing what he thinks is like helpful, but like, I just would like to go and see for myself what they have.

• 17:08Speaker 05

  I guess, I don't know. Hmm. I'm a bitch, I know it, but I wanted to just go and see what they had, just in case they did have what I needed and he missed it or something, I don't know, so I wanted to go. But, I was not walking very fast, because my feet were in pain and he was having a very hard time about it, he was not happy and just, I don't know, turned into this whole thing.

• 17:27Caleb Hammer?

  Is just a random mental health make you lay five punches into your man?

• 17:36Speaker 04

  I mean, it shouldn't, no.

• 17:37Caleb Hammer?

  No, I don't think so. And if it does, that person needs to be locked up, because they're too dangerous to be kept on the fucking streets.

• 17:45Speaker 05

  And then he started calling me retarded over and over and over again, and he knows how I feel about that. We've had conversations in times past where I don't like to be called names like that, like, I just, I don't, call me a bitch, sure, don't call me a retard, I don't want to be called that, don't like to be called that. I don't think any person likes to be called that. And after, I don't know, the fifth time of him calling me retarded, I got up and I punched him.

• 18:12Caleb Hammer?

  Now, she's getting let out for free.

• 18:16Caleb Hammer?

  Isn't that a little? Someone that's literally just beating.

• 18:19Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 18:20Caleb Hammer?

  So didn't she be locked up?

• 18:22Speaker 04

  I'll be honest, I didn't want her to go to jail. I just wanted to get her out of the room, but obviously I don't know the laws in Texas, so.

• 18:29Caleb Hammer?

  Well, no, you don't just get to assault people. That is, it's an interesting thing.

• 18:33Speaker 05

  I have some, uh, anger issues in the mix, which he knows about, but he still likes to tap dance on those lines and gets all

• 18:43Speaker 05

  upset once I've reached the line and I go, I don't even know. I don't even know.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  I guess I am the victim, but I don't, I still feel more for her safety than, you know, my own. Weird trait, but that's just how it is.

• 19:02Caleb Hammer?

  What emotion do you think you're gonna feel when you see her right now?

• 19:05Speaker 04

  Probably, uh,

• 19:10Speaker 04

  sadness.

• 19:12Caleb Hammer?

  My sadness?

• 19:13Speaker 04

  A little bit of frustration. Just because I, I feel like after this whole thing, it is gonna be the end.

• 19:22Caleb Hammer?

  Really? You think this is the end? We're having a conversation about the end? That's what we're walking into?

• 19:27Speaker 05

  I've been asking for the longest time for a better communication from him because if he wants to make this relationship work, he needs to be able to communicate. And tell me what he wants and tell me what he needs and shit like that. He just, he doesn't. And then he expects me to read his mind. And then when I can't, he gets pissed at me. And throws this whole puffy, puffy fit about, he doesn't, I don't even know. Or the last one is the fact that he didn't feel loved enough, but you don't, I don't, I don't know, dude. You don't tell me anything.

• 19:52Speaker 04

  This stuff isn't like normal and that are, it's not helpful, obviously. So I, I don't want to do it like this forever. And she keeps wanting me to make changes.

• 20:02Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, I'm sure I'll hear about those.

• 20:04Speaker 05

  I think that he's gonna say whatever is gonna make him look the best because of the fact that it's being put online. He's very like, he's very much gonna be

• 20:15Caleb Hammer?

  Well.

• 20:16Speaker 05

  in favor of making himself look great. I personally don't care. I know I'm a piece of shit, so whatever.

• 20:20Speaker 04

  How long have you all been together? Um, about six months. This is a new relationship? Yeah.

• 20:26Caleb Hammer?

  What the?

• 20:27Speaker 03

  But, when did you first meet?

• 20:29Speaker 04

  We met almost two years ago.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  Okay. And how old is your son?

• 20:33Speaker 04

  My son is a year and a half.

• 20:35Speaker 03

  There we go.

• 20:36Speaker 04

  This is y'all's kid? Yeah. Oh, okay.

• 20:38Speaker 03

  So do that math, Brandon.

• 20:40Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, okay.

• 20:42Speaker 04

  We've been talking, hanging out for a while now, but we haven't officially dated until six months ago.

• 20:50Speaker 05

  Him and I have had fights like this before where he has even agreed that he pushed it way too far. And he knows that he could have avoided it had he just stopped arguing and given the space that's being asked for. But he wouldn't. He wouldn't give me space.

• 21:06Speaker 05

  He wouldn't stop. He just come, kept coming at me verbally, but I don't know.

• 21:13Caleb Hammer?

  So

• 21:15Caleb Hammer?

  a six month relationship coming to an end. Are you guys finances together? Am I doing a financial audit of you guys combined? Am I separating you guys? What the fuck am I doing?

• 21:22Speaker 04

  I mean, we don't share a bank account or anything. We don't share any finances. We kind of just fifty fifty on as best as we can.

• 21:29Caleb Hammer?

  So I'm gonna have to make this pretty independent from each other, especially if it's going in the direction that you're thinking. But the thing is, are you thinking of breaking up with her or is she over it and breaking up with you?

• 21:42Speaker 04

  I mean, I don't want to, but I feel like it's, it's just gotten to that point at this point. Like can't really do what we did and expect to still be, you know, in a relationship. I guess after as many times as it's happened so far, I just feel like that is what's gonna happen.

• 22:00Speaker 05

  This is not the first time that this has happened. It's happened multiple times where he sits there and calls me names and sits there and treats me like I'm the scum between his toes, basically. And then when I finally snap because I've had enough of it, then he goes and cries wolf and then I'm the bad guy. It just pisses me off. He's allowed to treat me however the he wants to treat me and I just have to be okay with it.

• 22:22Caleb Hammer?

  Now here's the reality. Right now you're very much coming across as the victim and accurately so from what I know so far. But I go into these lacking knowledge and that's so I can kind of go on the ride with the audience. The thing is, as a historical thing on financial audit, many people that come in as the victims, once we learn the full story, many times aren't.

• 22:46Caleb Hammer?

  Or they're actually the aggressor or something.

• 22:51Speaker 05

  He's not putting any effort into trying to make the, the mental aspect of this relationship any better.

• 22:59Speaker 05

  And he knows that. He knows what he's doing.

• 23:01Speaker 04

  I mean, I have never laid my hands on her. I, I partly raised my voice to her. I am not the one that gets physical and will come to find.

• 23:08Caleb Hammer?

  Well, we'll see what she says.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 23:20Caleb Hammer?

  Guys, what the actual are we doing? We're filming this late at night, which is the absolute opposite of what we normally do. The audience already has context, even honestly more context than I have because there's been a phone call. There's been these things. I haven't been in the car with you. I haven't had the chance to talk to you yet. I do not know what's going on. I've kind of gotten this guy's side of the story, but here's the reality. I'll get your jobs. I'll get you income. I'll get all that figured out, but there's obviously more pressing issues that, um, weren't the actual topic of the financial audit that happened last night. What the happened? I haven't heard your side. Maybe I should hear that.

• 24:00Speaker 05

  Um, well, we got into an argument. Um.

• 24:03Caleb Hammer?

  An argument?

• 24:04Speaker 05

  Yeah. That's where it started, was an argument.

• 24:07Caleb Hammer?

  What?

• 24:08Speaker 05

  Um.

• 24:09Caleb Hammer?

  What the possibly?

• 24:10Speaker 05

  We were, I don't know. We were stressed out from the whole, like the plane and everything and we could get back to Austin and then the hotel.

• 24:18Caleb Hammer?

  Not a hotel.

• 24:19Speaker 05

  It's a long one. I, yeah, but like we get back to Austin and we couldn't check into the hotel until four, so we had to walk around and like find stuff to do for a few hours and.

• 24:29Caleb Hammer?

  Wow, sounds like you traveled somewhere.

• 24:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's what happened. Um, so, uh, I don't know. At the Philadelphia airport, the shoes that I have on, it's the only shoes that I brought because I'm a dumbass and I didn't bring better shoes. So they've been.

• 24:42Caleb Hammer?

  Kind of like, what? Not flip flops, but not standard shoes, kind of in the middle?

• 24:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:47Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 24:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're just like weird shoes. They cut my feet up all to shit and I.

• 24:53Caleb Hammer?

  Good choice to wear them, I guess.

• 24:54Speaker 05

  Well, I did, I don't know. He always gives me shit about my shoe choices and says I like, he says I don't have the shoes to, to wear to whatever the we're doing.

• 25:03Caleb Hammer?

  Is this considered a good outfit?

• 25:05Speaker 05

  This?

• 25:06Caleb Hammer?

  Situation?

• 25:06Speaker 05

  Uh, well, I had a better outfit in mind for filming, but, um. Doesn't feel good? Yeah.

• 25:12Caleb Hammer?

  But then something happened. Okay. So what? You were a little irritated.

• 25:15Speaker 05

  Well, we ended up walking to the store to get some drinks and some snacks and stuff. And I wanted to try to see if they had some like bandages or something I could wrap my feet up with. But he offered to walk to the store by himself, which I appreciate, but I wanted to see for myself what they had there because I didn't know if they were gonna have like just Band-Aids or if they would have Ace Wrapping or like, I didn't know what they would have. So I wanted to go and see for myself. And so we were walking. He was getting upset because I was crying because my feet hurt and it just.

• 25:41Caleb Hammer?

  Why are you getting upset that she was crying, bro? Dude, her feet hurt. Why are you getting upset?

• 25:45Speaker 04

  I'm upset because I offered to go to the store for her because I knew she was in pain. So I'm frustrated because well, she's sitting there crying next to me when I offered to go to the store for her.

• 25:56Caleb Hammer?

  Not horribly unfair, I guess. He did say he'd go for you.

• 26:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just in times past, he's gone to the store for me. And if they like, I, whether they didn't have what I needed or he didn't find it, I don't like, he would just come back with like what I didn't need. So I just would have felt better seeing it for myself, I guess, just.

• 26:14Caleb Hammer?

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• 28:24Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 28:24Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so you went to the store, you cried, he got upset.

• 28:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:27Caleb Hammer?

  What do you mean upset? What did he do?

• 28:29Speaker 05

  Well, when we got to the store, I bought the bandages and I bought some beat boxes, uh, which is like alcohol.

• 28:35Caleb Hammer?

  What? Oh.

• 28:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, they're like beatbox little box wine things. Um, bought a few of those and then I went outside to the like beside the 711 to try to wrap my feet up to make them feel better. And he was getting upset because I was taking too long and he wanted to just get back to the hotel.

• 28:50Caleb Hammer?

  He was getting upset, what does upset look like? What's upset?

• 28:53Speaker 05

  He was giving me shit, like he was like, like, like, oh, you're taking too long. We needed to just get back to the hotel, we need to get back, like this is.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  I'm sorry to interrupt, I don't think I said it like that. I was just like, well, we don't need to be chilling out beside a random gas station. Um, can we just go back to the hotel like as quickly as possible? But we sat there for about 25 minutes comfortably.

• 29:13Speaker 05

  Well, cause it wouldn't have taken that long if the Band-Aids would have like worked, but they weren't really working. So I had to go back inside and try to get like some washcloths that they had, they didn't have anything. So like they gave me washcloths, so I wrapped my feet up in those and then I just started walking. But he was getting upset because I was taking too long putting the Band-Aids on, but they weren't sticking. So like I was trying to get them to stick, like the blisters I have are bad, like they.

• 29:34Caleb Hammer?

  Sounds like an uncomfortable situation, why don't we just, okay, we get the bandages, let's Uber back. What are we doing? What the is wrong with you guys?

• 29:39Speaker 05

  I was pissy with him because he was getting mad at me because I was hurt or whatever. So we ended up walking back to the hotel on our own, like he walked back on his own.

• 29:46Caleb Hammer?

  You separated from the convenience store.

• 29:49Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 29:49Caleb Hammer?

  I think you guys are kind of underselling this. The fact that you guys were already separated at that point, just because you guys were a little pissy or whatever you said.

• 29:58Speaker 05

  He had started walking back to the hotel while I was putting the bandages on my feet. Like I wasn't about to just get up and start walking while I'm like mid bandaging my feet. Like I wanted to finish what I was doing before I got up and started walking because my feet hurt. And he left, so I was like, I'm tired.

• 30:11Caleb Hammer?

  He just left?

• 30:11Speaker 04

  I went across the road, I didn't leave her, I, she was still in my, my view.

• 30:16Speaker 05

  That is bullshit. I could not see where you were at. I was literally sitting on the side of the building, I couldn't see. If you were across the road, how can I see you if from where I was sitting? Like I was literally on the side of the building by the dumpsters, the road was like on the other side of the building.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  Why didn't you make an effort to start walking?

• 30:30Speaker 05

  My feet, I was trying to bandage them.

• 30:33Speaker 04

  Well, I get that.

• 30:34Speaker 05

  Why did, why did you walk away? Why didn't you just sit, stand around for a minute and just, I don't know.

• 30:38Speaker 04

  I was standing around for a minute, I was being, I was trying to be helpful, but clearly that's.

• 30:43Speaker 05

  But you had a timeline on it.

• 30:44Speaker 04

  Clearly that's not good enough, I was trying to be helpful. I just wanted to get back to the hotel because we were, like I said, sitting out beside a gas station.

• 30:52Speaker 05

  I feel like this whole thing could have been avoided if he would have just let me be, finish bandaging my feet and just let, you know, we could have walked back and it wouldn't have been a problem.

• 31:00Caleb Hammer?

  You guys are just kind of unkind to each other, so what the happened, okay? You got to the hotel, I don't think bandages is, are why we are where we are.

• 31:07Speaker 05

  No, that was the start, this is how all of our arguments start, is they always start with something really small and really stupid. And then it's always a mixture of like lack of communication and I get frustrated quickly, which I'm aware of, but like he's also aware of this. So he, he could be a little bit more, you know, formative on how he words things. He could be a little bit better about thinking about what he's saying before he says it to me. He doesn't have to sit there and just be rude all the time.

• 31:29Caleb Hammer?

  What's being rude, is he like berating you?

• 31:30Speaker 05

  Yes, like he'll sit there and like it, I don't know how to describe it aside from like it's.

• 31:35Caleb Hammer?

  I'm gonna need you to be able to describe it because I know what's at least coming.

• 31:38Speaker 05

  He'll just sit there and like, just, I don't, like, I don't, I don't know, like he.

• 31:43Caleb Hammer?

  That's not gonna work, that's not gonna work.

• 31:45Speaker 05

  I'm having a hard time.

• 31:45Caleb Hammer?

  You did to him, we know where the story ends, that's not gonna work. That's not gonna work, I'm gonna need to know what the this guy did, there's a villain here, right now, you're the villain.

• 31:55Speaker 05

  Well, well, okay, so let me just finish, we get that, we walked separately back to the hotel. He hangs out down by the pool, I ended up getting ahold of one of the producers here to get into the room. So I got up into the room and I was trying to just keep space separate so that we could try to calm down. He comes up from the pool and immediately starts asking me like, what do you want to do? Or do you even want to be with me? Like what, like what are we doing? Like, I don't even want to do the show anymore, like it's, this is stupid, like just this whole thing. And I'm like, I'm like, I don't want to do this right now, like I, I'm frustrated, I would like to just have some space or whatever. He goes into the shower, he's, it just, it turned, I don't remember how it exactly escalated to this, but it turned into like, we're asking each other to leave. Like I wanted him to just go down to by the pool for a few more hours, just so I can have some space or something.

• 32:38Caleb Hammer?

  For what?

• 32:39Speaker 04

  Nothing, she just wanted me out of the room.

• 32:42Caleb Hammer?

  Who, okay, hold on, having a little space isn't necessarily unhealthy or bad. Calling the cop because he wasn't giving you space is crazy.

• 32:50Speaker 05

  No, I didn't threaten to call the cops on him, I did, no, okay.

• 32:53Caleb Hammer?

  What, what do you mean?

• 32:55Speaker 05

  I don't know how to describe, it's like, I'm very, I don't know, I'm flustered right now. Like it was, it was very confusing, just the whole, the whole way the thing came out, I guess, I don't know, like.

• 33:03Caleb Hammer?

  What?

• 33:04Speaker 05

  I don't.

• 33:05Caleb Hammer?

  What the are you talking about?

• 33:06Speaker 05

  I don't know, I don't know, I did not, I did not threaten to call the cops on him. I told him that if like, if this is going to continue to escalate into a full blown argument, then I would like to have some space. And if the cops have to get called, then it will happen.

• 33:16Caleb Hammer?

  Is that true?

• 33:17Speaker 05

  I did not, I did not threaten to call the cops on him in that moment. I, I had my phone in my hand the whole time, I, like when you walked in the room, my phone was in my hand.

• 33:25Speaker 04

  You picked up like the, the phone in the room and like were pretending like you were gonna call the cops.

• 33:31Speaker 05

  I picked up the phone.

• 33:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:34Speaker 05

  Did I press any numbers? No, I didn't, did I, like I picked up the phone, that was literally, I didn't threaten to call the cops.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  Threat for me to be like, well, what like.

• 33:42Speaker 05

  Okay, so then you turn it around and you start calling me retarded over and over and over again.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  You were being retarded.

• 33:47Speaker 05

  Okay, yeah, this is what happens, every single, he sits there and he calls me names, he'll sit there and.

• 33:52Caleb Hammer?

  Were you being?

• 33:53Speaker 05

  I don't, well, I don't know what his version of being retarded me, like I was trying to, I was asking him for space. I wanted him to just leave me alone for a little bit.

• 34:00Caleb Hammer?

  What's her being?

• 34:01Speaker 04

  The way she acts sometimes, she just quite literally does not listen to any reason.

• 34:06Caleb Hammer?

  What? Guys, I need information here.

• 34:08Speaker 04

  For example, even before going to the store, I, I was like, hey, can you put some socks on your feet? And we ended up going to the store like she said, and they give her a towel, like a microfiber towel, which is essentially no different than a pair of socks, you know what I mean? So.

• 34:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, my feet still barely fit.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, she chooses to do retarded stuff sometimes.

• 34:32Speaker 05

  The socks, when I wear the socks, they don't, like my shoes don't fit, my feet don't fit in these shoes. So I just don't, I didn't, I didn't even pack socks because I just didn't have, they don't fit when I wear the socks.

• 34:42Caleb Hammer?

  Guys, I'm confused.

• 34:43Speaker 05

  I didn't even pack socks.

• 34:44Caleb Hammer?

  So she picked up the phone and you thought that was threatening to call the cops or something, I guess?

• 34:48Speaker 04

  Well, no, she, she had stated, she said, I'm gonna call the cops if you don't leave.

• 34:52Speaker 05

  I said, if this is gonna turn into a full blown bullshit argument thing, then yeah, I would, I will call somebody, like I want some space.

• 34:59Speaker 04

  Well, where the do I have to go?

• 35:00Speaker 05

  Down to the pool where you were hanging out before, you were already down there. When I went down there to grab my bag, because he grabbed all of the bags and everything from behind the counter, because we couldn't check into the hotel, so our bags were back there. He grabbed my bag, so I went down there after I checked into the room to grab my bag, to grab my phone charger and stuff, because my phone was, I don't want, I wanted my stuff. I go down there, grab my bag, he gets all pissed off because I grabbed my shit and then follows me back up there.

• 35:21Speaker 04

  I followed you up because I had the charger in my bag and I knew that's why you came down.

• 35:25Speaker 05

  Okay, but you didn't have to, you could have just handed me the charger, you could, you didn't have to come up and sit there and be like, oh, do you even want to be with me? Why, like, like, what are we even doing here? I don't even want to do the show anymore, this is stupid.

• 35:34Speaker 04

  It's a valid question when all we do is fight, like.

• 35:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, but like at least have some clothes on while you're doing it, you're literally standing there butt ass naked yelling at me like.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 35:43Speaker 05

  Calling me retarded, it's aggravating, it's aggravating.

• 35:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:47Speaker 05

  And then also while I was gone, you took the alcohol that I bought, you drank, you drank two of them and then I had to.

• 35:53Caleb Hammer?

  Are you guys dating?

• 35:55Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 35:55Caleb Hammer?

  Are you guys not allowed to share what you purchased food and beverages?

• 35:59Speaker 05

  No, this is all like a whole thing between him and I back home too, is like equality for him, like if.

• 36:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, like feeling like things are fair, I didn't think that was a bad thing.

• 36:11Speaker 05

  So you took them.

• 36:11Caleb Hammer?

  What? You're not allowed to drink, is he not allowed to drink, what?

• 36:16Speaker 05

  I don't care if he drinks, but he could have taken his drinks, he didn't have to take mine.

• 36:19Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so he brought up your charger and you threatened to call the cops?

• 36:25Speaker 05

  I didn't threaten, I told him if this was going to turn into a big escalation. It, well, it did after.

• 36:30Caleb Hammer?

  What, so what happened?

• 36:31Speaker 05

  He sat there and called me, he sat there and called me names like over and over and over, like retarded, over and over and over again. No, I'm not, and I don't like when he calls me that.

• 36:40Caleb Hammer?

  You sure about that? You sure about that? He just did on the show.

• 36:44Speaker 05

  I, yeah, and won't him, like I, I don't, I don't know, I don't like being called retarded, I don't like it because.

• 36:51Caleb Hammer?

  Cause he knows it's true?

• 36:52Speaker 05

  It's not true, it's just.

• 36:53Caleb Hammer?

  Is it not?

• 36:53Speaker 05

  It, I don't think it's true, I don't feel like.

• 36:55Caleb Hammer?

  Find out.

• 36:56Speaker 05

  Okay, that's fine, I don't feel like.

• 36:57Caleb Hammer?

  Is it true?

• 36:58Speaker 04

  I mean, I think she can be retarded sometimes.

• 37:01Speaker 05

  Okay, not a shared statement.

• 37:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, I can too, but like you got arrested in Texas, like what are we doing right now?

• 37:09Speaker 05

  The cops.

• 37:10Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, so he started calling your names, what happened?

• 37:13Speaker 05

  Uh, I got up and I told him like, are you, like, are you gonna keep calling me a retard? Because he know, he knows that that I get to like these points where I will snap. I don't like to be called names over and over and over again, he knows this. This has happened on multiple occasions where he will sit there and belittle me, treat me like dog shit.

• 37:31Caleb Hammer?

  Why was he belittling you? Why were you belittling her?

• 37:33Speaker 04

  I wasn't belittling her.

• 37:34Caleb Hammer?

  No?

• 37:35Speaker 04

  I don't feel like I was.

• 37:36Caleb Hammer?

  What do you mean, what were you doing?

• 37:38Speaker 04

  I came up to the room because like I said, I know she needed a charger, I knew that's why she grabbed the bag. Um, I went into the shower and like I, she said, I asked her if she even wants to do this anymore, if she wants to be with me. Or.

• 37:51Caleb Hammer?

  What? You went and brought a charger, it got slightly heated and you're like, you even want to do this or should we even be together?

• 37:57Speaker 05

  He could have just handed me the charger. He could have just handed me the charger and like, he, he didn't have to say anything, he could have just handed me the charger, gone and taken a shower, like no words had to have been exchanged. It's the fact that he had to come in there with a problem while I'm trying to like deescalate, I have anger issues and.

• 38:13Caleb Hammer?

  So you were trying to deescalate?

• 38:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:15Caleb Hammer?

  You were the deescalator, so he was calling your names, what'd you do to deescalate?

• 38:19Speaker 05

  I, well, once he started calling me names, I was kind of far gone past the point of deescalating, I was.

• 38:24Caleb Hammer?

  So what?

• 38:25Speaker 05

  I got frustrated and I got up and went over to him, I asked him, can you keep calling me retarded? And he's like, yes, and he called me retarded more and then I started swinging.

• 38:33Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, the hunger abusive.

• 38:36Caleb Hammer?

  The Humdrum Domestic Violence. Swinging.

• 38:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:40Caleb Hammer?

  What does swinging mean? What happened?

• 38:42Speaker 05

  He was standing in front of me and calling me retarded and I just started throwing hands. Cause I don't know. No amount of words go through.

• 38:50Caleb Hammer?

  What's wrong with you?

• 38:51Speaker 05

  No amount of words go through his head. Like his skull is this thick. Like there's no words that go through his head.

• 38:57Caleb Hammer?

  How do we get to violence?

• 38:59Speaker 05

  Because words don't work. I don't know.

• 39:01Caleb Hammer?

  Words? What? You guys were arguing.

• 39:04Speaker 05

  We were arguing because he came up there and started giving me shit for no rea- he could have just left me alone for a little bit.

• 39:09Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, maybe he was a bad person, but in the end, I think the one that throws the punches ends up being the villain.

• 39:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:14Caleb Hammer?

  The thing is, you could have had him be the villain, but you just had to go five steps further.

• 39:20Speaker 04

  Which it seems to always be the case if we get into.

• 39:23Caleb Hammer?

  Always.

• 39:24Speaker 04

  Always.

• 39:24Speaker 05

  It's not always the case.

• 39:26Speaker 04

  I mean, have I put my hands on you? Have I? For what reason?

• 39:29Caleb Hammer?

  Tell me. What reason?

• 39:31Speaker 04

  What reason?

• 39:31Caleb Hammer?

  What, what, what hands does he put on you? Cause earlier he told me he never has.

• 39:35Speaker 05

  Well.

• 39:36Caleb Hammer?

  That's what he told me in front of the hotel.

• 39:38Speaker 05

  A few, like, I don't know, like a month ago where like.

• 39:42Speaker 05

  I did, I slapped his arm first, but like again, he was calling me retarded over and over and over again. And I cannot, I don't like, he knows that I don't like when he does this. He calls me retarded over and over and over again. He knows how I feel about this. Yet he does it anyway. I go in the shower. I slapped him on the arm and yes.

• 39:59Speaker 04

  You ripped the curtain down completely while I was in the shower. You ripped the.

• 40:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, I paid for the curtain. I paid for the apartment. I'll rip the curtain down if I want to. I don't give a shit. That, I didn't touch you at that point, but you still sat there and berated me. Berated me over and over and over again. Like.

• 40:14Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:15Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 40:15Speaker 04

  And I was just trying to shower and you come in there.

• 40:17Speaker 05

  But why, why not just shower silently? Why can't, why can't you shower in, in peace and quiet? Why do you have to sit there and run your flaps while you're in the shower?

• 40:25Speaker 04

  I mean, I didn't think I was.

• 40:26Speaker 05

  You do.

• 40:28Speaker 04

  Do you even remember what happened during that argument at all?

• 40:32Speaker 05

  What, during the argument? I remember what happened during it. I'm, I don't really remember what started it.

• 40:35Caleb Hammer?

  What happened?

• 40:36Speaker 05

  Well, I slapped him and then he got out of the shower and pushed me really hard. And then I got.

• 40:41Caleb Hammer?

  What, what does push you really hard? What does that mean?

• 40:43Speaker 05

  Like he pushed me really hard. Like.

• 40:46Caleb Hammer?

  You fell over?

• 40:46Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 40:47Caleb Hammer?

  Buddy, you told me you never put your hands on her. This is what always happens in this show.

• 40:51Speaker 05

  Okay. Twice. Twice. In one night. He pushed me over really hard. The first time that he pushed me, I fell back onto my son's pumpkin that we had just painted.

• 40:59Caleb Hammer?

  Do you guys have a kid together?

• 41:00Speaker 05

  Yes, I have a one and a half year old. He wasn't even in my one and a half year old's life for the first year of it.

• 41:04Caleb Hammer?

  Wait, you have one? You guys own together?

• 41:06Speaker 05

  Well, he is the father, but like I'm like, I'm, I was the one that was taking care of the baby for well over a year. He wasn't there.

• 41:15Caleb Hammer?

  How long have you guys been together?

• 41:17Speaker 04

  I was, uh, actually told by your cousin that, you know, which I thought was legitimate, that, um, they were frustrated with you because you wouldn't let me in his life when he was young is what they were saying. So I was like.

• 41:30Speaker 05

  Really?

• 41:31Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 41:31Speaker 05

  Really? Because all those times that I texted you and said, hey, do you want to come and meet the baby? No, I'm sorry. I'm sick. I don't want to make, I don't want to get the baby sick.

• 41:37Speaker 04

  Okay, I get I wasn't the best.

• 41:39Speaker 05

  Okay. So you want to sit there and act like I tried to keep you out of the baby's life when I actively messaged you. It's not my job to make you be a dad. It's not my job to make you act like a fucking parent. And this isn't even your first kid. So you should know by now, being 33 years old, that you have responsibilities such as a child.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  I get that.

• 41:56Speaker 05

  And when you go ahead and nut in somebody and you want to get them pregnant, you need to be there for that baby.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  You're right.

• 42:02Speaker 05

  And I didn't sit there and go and use the whole excuse, I'm depressed all the time. I don't, I, I don't want to, I don't, I don't, whatever the excuses you, you use to not be around, sitting there saying your mental health was bad or whatever the. No matter how bad my mental health was, I showed up for that kid. I showed up for him every day.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  You literally.

• 42:17Speaker 05

  I was not a, I won't sit here and say that I was the perfect parent because I know that I wasn't. I had issues. I was drinking still. Like I, I know I had my problems, but I was there.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  So what's up with, uh, your cousin telling me that they're mad at you because you wouldn't, uh, let me in?

• 42:30Speaker 05

  I don't even know what you're talking about.

• 42:32Speaker 04

  Neither do I. That was news to me last night. They go, yeah, we're, we're, we're mad at, uh, you for, you know, not letting, uh, me in his life when he was younger.

• 42:42Speaker 05

  But you know, that's bullshit because.

• 42:43Speaker 04

  I don't know that's bullshit.

• 42:44Speaker 05

  How do you not know that's bullshit? When I asked you when he was younger, if he, if you would come and see him and you would give me excuses every time.

• 42:51Speaker 04

  You told me the first two months of his life that he wasn't going to leave anyway. I couldn't basically go.

• 42:56Speaker 05

  Because you wanted me to sit there and go to your family's house who I don't know. Mind you, he got, we got pregnant off of like a one night stand. We were strangers for like a long.

• 43:05Caleb Hammer?

  How long have you guys been together?

• 43:06Speaker 05

  Since, uh, March, May, around that time, springtime, this year.

• 43:12Caleb Hammer?

  The kid's a year and a half old?

• 43:13Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:15Speaker 05

  Again, I got pregnant.

• 43:15Caleb Hammer?

  Wait, you guys have been together six months?

• 43:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, I got pregnant off a one night stand. We met off of Facebook dating, like, and it, yeah, it was like a one night stand situation.

• 43:24Caleb Hammer?

  What the, and you say he has other kids?

• 43:27Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 43:27Caleb Hammer?

  How many and ages?

• 43:30Speaker 04

  Two others.

• 43:31Caleb Hammer?

  Ages?

• 43:32Speaker 04

  Twelve and eight.

• 43:33Caleb Hammer?

  Are you in their lives?

• 43:34Speaker 04

  No.

• 43:38Caleb Hammer?

  Buddy.

• 43:43Caleb Hammer?

  So that was crazy gasoline and I almost saw there that you said her cousins were telling you that she wouldn't let you in the life? And then you fully admitted that she texted you to go see and then.

• 43:56Speaker 05

  The first two months, which he's talking about, the first two months that I lived with my cousins. I was there and I asked him, hey, if you want to meet the baby, that's perfectly fine, but you're going to have to come here because I'm freshly postpartum, I'm bleeding everywhere. Like I don't feel good. I, I feel fat. I feel gross. I don't want, I don't want to go anywhere. Like freshly postpartum, I just did not feel good. I was still just not. Any postpartum mother will tell you two months out of postpartum is not the time to be going anywhere.

• 44:21Caleb Hammer?

  I know hormones and whatnot, but.

• 44:23Speaker 05

  Yeah. So like.

• 44:24Caleb Hammer?

  The thing is.

• 44:27Caleb Hammer?

  Did you even know he was the dad?

• 44:28Speaker 05

  Yes. Yeah. I've, since I found out that I was pregnant and I went back like.

• 44:33Caleb Hammer?

  Were you having sex with other people?

• 44:34Speaker 05

  Um, not at that time. No, it was like I.

• 44:37Caleb Hammer?

  What do you think? How, what's your confidence level of seeing the kid? I'll be honest, the producers typed to me, they see the pic, they've had the picture of the kid and, uh, doesn't look anything like him.

• 44:49Speaker 05

  Well, I'm willing to do a DNA test. That's fine.

• 44:52Caleb Hammer?

  Uh, yeah, I think that should be a mandatory post-show thing.

• 44:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:55Caleb Hammer?

  Um, uh, so we've done two post-show paternity tests. One was the father, one was not. We're at a 50 50 rate right now. That's where we stand. And I'm feeling, is she a whore?

• 45:08Speaker 04

  I don't really know. I'd like to say no, but.

• 45:11Caleb Hammer?

  Were you whoring around?

• 45:12Speaker 05

  At that time, I was kind of sleeping around, but at the, the timeframe that I got pregnant at, like that month that I got pregnant at, I was only hanging out with him. I was only hanging out with him.

• 45:22Caleb Hammer?

  Uh huh.

• 45:23Speaker 05

  So.

• 45:23Caleb Hammer?

  Right. We'll do the post show.

• 45:26Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 45:26Caleb Hammer?

  Well, since so was the other girl and he was not the father. We know how people like you work. And it was a one night stand, you said. So it's not a one night stand if you were hanging out for a whole month.

• 45:36Speaker 05

  Well, right? I guess. Yeah. We, we slept together a few times.

• 45:40Speaker 04

  A couple of times.

• 45:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:41Caleb Hammer?

  You're not, this doesn't, this is not making sense.

• 45:44Speaker 05

  And also the other person that I.

• 45:47Caleb Hammer?

  The kid does not look related to you at all. You know that, right?

• 45:50Speaker 04

  You don't think so?

• 45:51Caleb Hammer?

  No, nobody thinks so. They've all seen the kid.

• 45:53Speaker 04

  Okay. Well, I guess we gotta do a DNA test at this point and.

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• 46:24Speaker 04

  You know what the reality of it is?

• 46:26Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 46:27Caleb Hammer?

  So what did she do to you specifically last night? What ended up happening? Have you called the cops?

• 46:32Speaker 04

  Um, ultimately I go up to the room like she said after the pool and I was going to hop in the shower. I questioned her about, you know, where do we stand essentially?

• 46:43Speaker 05

  It wasn't like a light questioning though. It was the way, he doesn't seem to understand that tone has a big effect on like what you say to people. And when he's coming at me with a very intense tone, it's not going to be taken lightly. Like it's not going to be taken as a, as a lighthearted, genuine question when he's sitting there snapping at me. And he seems to have no regard for like how tone affects conversation.

• 47:05Caleb Hammer?

  Uh huh.

• 47:06Speaker 04

  Essentially, as soon as.

• 47:07Caleb Hammer?

  What did she do?

• 47:08Speaker 04

  Okay. I was, I was going to get in the shower. I questioned her. Things got heated pretty quick. Um, she broke my headphones. She smashed those on the ground.

• 47:23Caleb Hammer?

  You conveniently left that out.

• 47:26Speaker 05

  I actually forgot about that part, but yes, I did. I did break the headphones.

• 47:30Speaker 04

  Uh, I believe just over 12 hours ago, by the way, this event.

• 47:34Caleb Hammer?

  So forgetting? Okay. So she bashed your headphones. Okay.

• 47:39Speaker 04

  After that, she was pretty pissed off still. Um, she came over to me and started punching me because I wouldn't leave.

• 47:46Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, but the, what, what were the punches? Like, I want to know what actually happened to lead to an arrest.

• 47:51Speaker 05

  He was, I don't know. He was calling me, I started throwing punches. He.

• 47:53Caleb Hammer?

  Where, did she land any hits?

• 47:55Speaker 04

  She did. Yeah. She got me right here in the cheek. She got me a on the back of the head, which I'm sure today. Um, I think she landed.

• 48:03Caleb Hammer?

  Did he deserve it?

• 48:05Speaker 05

  In my mind, yes, but.

• 48:08Speaker 05

  That's, that's a matter of opinion.

• 48:09Caleb Hammer?

  And then you called the cops for that to that?

• 48:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:12Speaker 05

  But the part that I don't understand is when he called the cops, he called the, he didn't want me to get arrested. That's what he was telling all the officers. He said, I don't want her going to jail. I just want somebody to come and talk to her.

• 48:19Caleb Hammer?

  Buddy, you just threw five, you landed five punches. That's not how this is going to work.

• 48:23Speaker 05

  That's why I'm saying when you call the police, you can't call the police expecting nobody to get arrested. That's not how that works. So he, he calls the police, not wanting me to get arrested. And then I get arrested. Like that just, I don't, it just caused a lot of stress when I didn't need to.

• 48:35Speaker 04

  I haven't, I haven't like gone to jail. I don't know how this works.

• 48:40Speaker 05

  Uh, but I was telling you, cause I have, and you don't really ever take like what I have to say into consideration. You were just telling me like.

• 48:46Speaker 04

  We've been to jail. Arguing with each other.

• 48:48Speaker 05

  Back in 2023. Yes, I was.

• 48:50Caleb Hammer?

  Three years ago? What?

• 48:52Speaker 05

  God, I was drinking like really heavily all the time. Like.

• 48:55Caleb Hammer?

  You were 18.

• 48:56Speaker 05

  Yes. I bet I was an alcoholic at 16.

• 48:58Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, that's good.

• 48:59Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 49:00Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, I'm glad you were getting bevs last night.

• 49:02Speaker 05

  I don't, I don't drink like bad anymore. He could even vouch for that. I really don't drink like that anymore.

• 49:07Speaker 04

  I mean, she's gotten better, but.

• 49:08Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, oh, yeah. That's a real vouch.

• 49:11Speaker 04

  It's, it's done nothing as far as, uh, you know, her anger. So I don't.

• 49:16Speaker 05

  It's because of you. You do not talk. Like properly at all.

• 49:20Speaker 04

  How do I, how am I supposed to talk to somebody that blows up? There's no communicating with somebody like that.

• 49:24Speaker 05

  Every single time that we have a conversation.

• 49:26Caleb Hammer?

  I'm gonna be honest, she said this is how your demeanor was gonna be. I wasn't in the car, but this is what the producer that was in the car said, that you were gonna be this chill guy. But that in reality, you just in, in, in, and in relentless, relentless, relentless. That this is not you.

• 49:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:45Caleb Hammer?

  This isn't what leads up to these situations. You're acting like the good guy right now.

• 49:49Speaker 04

  I mean, I feel like I don't really egg on too much. I might add small comments, but it doesn't justify getting hit in the face or.

• 49:57Caleb Hammer?

  I didn't say that, but you are being calm and she predicted this.

• 50:00Speaker 05

  I'm not, he knows that I have a line where I draw. Like I cannot sit here and be berated for longer than 25 minutes before my elastic band snaps.

• 50:12Caleb Hammer?

  Minutes, dude?

• 50:13Speaker 05

  Do it for so long Caleb, he will do it for so long. And then back at home, the shit will go on for hours. And then, and then I'm the bad guy because my elastic band has gone snapped and I lose my shit.

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• 51:02Speaker 05

  And then at home, at the apartment, I can't just kick him out and leave. He has nowhere to go. Last time when we got into an argument and I told him, I said, I'm done. I don't want to do this anymore. I think it's honestly in our both, best of our both interests if we break up. And it'll be healthier for and stuff. He packs all of his shit. He's like, okay, great. That's fine. Perfect. He grabs all of his shit, is ready to go. And then the moment he's about to start walking out the door, he realized that I'm not facing him out the door this time. And he turns around and starts asking me, oh, I want a hug. Can we just talk about it? Like it.

• 51:30Caleb Hammer?

  He told me on the way over that he thinks he's done now. Now that you've been arrested for beating his ass, he thinks he's done.

• 51:37Speaker 05

  I'm okay with that.

• 51:38Caleb Hammer?

  You're okay with it?

• 51:40Speaker 05

  At this point.

• 51:40Caleb Hammer?

  Dating someone that you're just okay with breaking up with.

• 51:43Speaker 05

  I want my son to have a father.

• 51:45Caleb Hammer?

  And he's not a father?

• 51:47Speaker 05

  He is when he's around.

• 51:48Caleb Hammer?

  Well, he isn't for his other two kids.

• 51:50Speaker 04

  I've been around for the last six months. I've been doing what I'm supposed to be doing. I wasn't there for the other year. I'll admit it. I was not there, but I can't take, I can't take back what I've done in the past.

• 52:03Speaker 05

  And try to, you cannot sit here and try to say, oh, you tried to keep me away from him. That is bullshit.

• 52:07Speaker 04

  That's what I was told from your cousin. Like I'm not making this up.

• 52:10Speaker 05

  Say that's what you were told when I was texting you, asking you to come and see the baby. You get, this isn't a matter of I was being told this when I was asking you to come and see the baby. And you were the one coming up with excuses.

• 52:19Speaker 04

  I guess I don't remember any of these messages because we didn't talk back then.

• 52:23Speaker 05

  Right. Because the only time we talked was when I would ask you to come and see the baby and every time.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  Was that like realistically?

• 52:30Speaker 05

  How often should I have to text you and make you be a father?

• 52:32Speaker 04

  I mean, I understand. Don't get me wrong, but like if, I don't know. I understand where you're coming from, but I have been putting in effort. Especially more recently, I can't take back the past, but.

• 52:44Caleb Hammer?

  You've thrown her to the ground twice and you told me you've never laid your hands on her.

• 52:47Speaker 04

  Okay. Yeah, that's true.

• 52:48Speaker 05

  The second time.

• 52:49Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  The second time that he threw me to the ground, it was right outside the bathroom door. He pushed me, which I will admit, when he pushed me the first time, I got back up and I slapped him again. Because that shit pissed me off. He threw me right on top of a pumpkin stalk.

• 53:01Speaker 04

  Coming at me with fists.

• 53:02Speaker 05

  No, it was slap. No, these were open hands. These were, no, these were open hands. Last night was the first time that I've ever actually punched you. Every other time I've ever hit you, it has been slaps.

• 53:11Speaker 04

  Really?

• 53:12Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 53:13Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 53:14Caleb Hammer?

  And the second time?

• 53:15Speaker 05

  The second time, well, yeah, he pushed me the first time. I got back up because I was pissed that he just pushed me. I landed on top of the pumpkin stalk right in my back. It hurt. So I got back up and slapped him.

• 53:24Speaker 04

  No, you came at me like this. You were coming at me like this. I pushed you back again and you fell on your ass.

• 53:30Speaker 05

  How did I come at you like that when I was on my knees? How, how could I come at you like that? I was on my knees.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  One of them you did.

• 53:36Speaker 05

  Your leg, bear hugging your, how am I punching you if I'm bear hugging your leg? Like after the second time that he pushed me, I was on the ground, pumpkin stalk or whatever.

• 53:44Speaker 04

  It was slippery in there. I was just in the shower. I'm sitting there slipping around. She's coming at me and I'm just trying to push her away.

• 53:51Speaker 05

  I'm totally coming at him while I'm bear hugging his leg. Yeah, that's what was happening.

• 53:54Caleb Hammer?

  And the second time, again, we failed to mention the second time.

• 53:58Speaker 05

  Well, I'm trying to explain it and he keeps cutting me off. Well, I was bear hugging his leg and he took his hand and like pushed me from my head. Like his thumb went up under my jaw and he pushed me into the floor. I hit my head really hard. I had a migraine for like five days.

• 54:12Caleb Hammer?

  Maybe you had a concussion.

• 54:13Speaker 05

  I probably, I've had a concussion before and it's what it felt like.

• 54:15Caleb Hammer?

  Oh my, dude, you've given her a concussion.

• 54:19Speaker 04

  I guess, yeah.

• 54:20Caleb Hammer?

  You guys have been dating six months and you've given her a concussion and she's been arrested for punching you?

• 54:27Speaker 04

  I, I guess.

• 54:28Caleb Hammer?

  Guys, what the are we doing? And you said this isn't even the first time. How often does she does do this shit?

• 54:35Speaker 04

  I mean, at least probably four times, three to four times that I've, it's gotten physical to the point where.

• 54:41Caleb Hammer?

  Every month and a half?

• 54:42Speaker 04

  Essentially, yeah. Yeah.

• 54:44Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, what about Florida? Something about Florida? What happened in Florida?

• 54:48Speaker 04

  In Florida, we ended up getting into it one night. Um, we ended up going, because we went with her brother and his girlfriend. We end up going to our rooms. It was the end of the night. We end up getting into it over, I think it was messages or sorry, not messages. It was over a post.

• 55:04Speaker 05

  I posted a picture of him and I on my public story, my snap public story of us on Clearwater Beach. Because I thought it was, you know, it's a cool picture. It was a nice picture. It was pretty like, I don't know. I wanted to post it on my public story. I don't see anything weird about posting on a public snap story.

• 55:17Caleb Hammer?

  No.

• 55:18Speaker 05

  There's nothing weird to me about that. He got pissed because he felt like it was me being dramatic and attention seeking. Because after the fact, like when I went on there, I was just kind of looking at like, you know, looking at the views or whatever, looking at the stories, just looking at my stories or whatever. Like I was just looking.

• 55:31Caleb Hammer?

  A human brain engages with it. It's not healthy, but.

• 55:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. No, I.

• 55:36Caleb Hammer?

  Well, she's not an attention seeking whore.

• 55:37Speaker 05

  He was literally calling me dramatic and like going in about it like.

• 55:41Speaker 04

  She was showing me a comment that some dude had made and she goes, that's weird. I'm like, well, yeah, like when you post on your public story, you're gonna get weird responses.

• 55:49Speaker 05

  The part that I found weird about it was the fact that it was a picture of me and him and the guy was like flirting with me. Which I just thought it was weird. I'm like, why would you, why would you flirt with somebody who's posting a picture with their boyfriend? That was the part that I was commenting on it being weird. Well, I mean, yes, but like I was showing him. I didn't want, I like, I wasn't trying, I wasn't trying to be like.

• 56:08Caleb Hammer?

  Back, were you?

• 56:08Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 56:09Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, okay then what the issue guy?

• 56:11Speaker 05

  I didn't even know. I didn't even message. Like I didn't click on it or anything.

• 56:14Caleb Hammer?

  What's going on?

• 56:14Speaker 04

  Probably insecure. Yeah.

• 56:17Caleb Hammer?

  So what happened though?

• 56:18Speaker 05

  He just, he was calling me dramatic over and over and over again. But this was, I was pretty irritated about that. Like I was irritated before this has already happened. Because he had went to the, he had gone to bed early or whatever, didn't say anything to me about it. We had just landed and stuff. Like I wanted him to tell me. Like, I don't know. I wanted him to let me know what's going on. But I ordered us food and he was just being difficult about it. Like he didn't, he didn't really want food. Once I ordered it, it was fine, but.

• 56:42Speaker 04

  I didn't want her to spend her money. I mean, I was trying to.

• 56:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, but at that point, we had gotten to Florida. You didn't have any money because you were waiting on your deposit to hit the next day.

• 56:50Speaker 04

  I got paid the next day. So I just needed to wait essentially to get paid the next day. So I was fine with just not spending any money till I got paid. I didn't want to take from her. I get where in a relationship, but she had less than I brought, so I just.

• 57:04Speaker 05

  At that time, you had nothing. So I wanted to see you eat food. Like I wanted to see you eat something. We had gone all day without eating. I wanted to see you eat. And you were just pissy about the fact that you didn't have money. You wanted, you didn't want me to spend money on you for the food or whatever the fuck. And then I was like.

• 57:20Caleb Hammer?

  So what?

• 57:21Speaker 05

  Just the whole stupid thing. I don't know.

• 57:23Caleb Hammer?

  What happened?

• 57:23Speaker 05

  Like he, I don't know. He was just, I don't really remember that night that much. Like I don't, I don't remember it that well.

• 57:29Caleb Hammer?

  No, I'll tell you, the rental car.

• 57:32Speaker 05

  Oh, the rental car? Oh, yeah, that. He threatened to call the cops on me in the rental car.

• 57:36Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, that's a different one. Oh, he threatened to call the cops there too.

• 57:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:39Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, because there's even more. What?

• 57:41Speaker 05

  I was yelling at him in the car.

• 57:42Speaker 04

  It wasn't just yelling. Her face was red. She was, I was driving in Florida, mind you.

• 57:47Speaker 05

  Cause my brother, okay.

• 57:49Speaker 04

  I was driving in Florida. We had just dropped her brother off and his girlfriend at the aquarium. We end up going and doing our own thing. I think we were gonna go to a nature preserve or something like that. And we end up getting into an argument.

• 58:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I wonder why.

• 58:05Speaker 04

  I, I, I do too. Yeah, why?

• 58:08Speaker 05

  Because he sat there and, and told me that it was my fault that my brother lit a cigarette in the rental car. But like I, when my brother lit the cigarette in the rental car, I told him to hang it out the window and stuff. Like he's an adult. I can't like, I don't.

• 58:18Speaker 04

  No, tell him to throw it out. Like it's not hanging out the window. It's throw the cigarette out the window.

• 58:22Speaker 05

  I, I did tell him to, he was, I did tell him to throw it out. And then that's when he hung it out the window. I wasn't gonna sit there and get in the, I don't, I don't know. Like why didn't you say anything? You didn't say anything either though. You were the, you were the driver of the vehicle. The vehicle's in your name.

• 58:36Speaker 04

  Focusing on driving and stuff. I figured like you would.

• 58:38Speaker 05

  You talk and drive all the time. You couldn't, you couldn't say something.

• 58:41Caleb Hammer?

  What did he do that triggered you?

• 58:43Speaker 05

  Who?

• 58:44Caleb Hammer?

  Yes, what did he do?

• 58:45Speaker 05

  He was, well, he was straight up like, um, giving me, uh, like crap, like a lot of it. About the fact that it was my fault that that happened and he's gonna get charged with $200 and it was gonna be my fault.

• 58:57Caleb Hammer?

  Maybe.

• 58:58Speaker 05

  But how is it? I didn't tell like the cigarette in the car.

• 59:01Caleb Hammer?

  No, but you didn't tell him to put it out either. And he's not gonna tell your brother too. It's your brother.

• 59:04Speaker 05

  Throw it and he didn't throw it. And he just hung his whole body out the window, basically.

• 59:08Caleb Hammer?

  Well, he's probably upset that he's being charged and he has no money.

• 59:10Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, but at that point, my brother had already told him that he would give him the $200.

• 59:14Caleb Hammer?

  He doing that was so bad with him being upset because he's allowed to be upset.

• 59:17Speaker 05

  We were headed to a nature preserve and he's sitting there yelling at me about the, about the.

• 59:20Caleb Hammer?

  He was yelling at you?

• 59:21Speaker 04

  I don't think I was yelling. I think I was bringing it.

• 59:23Speaker 05

  Again, matter of opinion.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 59:24Speaker 05

  He was yelling at me over this, over the rental car thing and about the fact that like I, it was my fault. And if he got charged with $200, it was my fault. But like I, he didn't say anything about it. And also that happened the day prior, like.

• 59:37Caleb Hammer?

  So what did you do in return?

• 59:38Speaker 05

  I was yelling. I was yelling. I'm like, how is it my fault? Why is it my fault? What did I do? Not good enough to, to get my brother to?

• 59:44Caleb Hammer?

  It was more, he threatened to call the cops.

• 59:47Speaker 05

  I was literally just yelling at him. I was like, I was yelling.

• 59:49Caleb Hammer?

  How did you threaten to call the cops?

• 59:51Speaker 04

  I was driving and uh, like it had gotten pretty heated. She was yelling to the point where her face was red. And she was looking directly at me like, like I.

• 1:00:01Speaker 05

  I was looking at him and my face was red and he felt threatened enough to want.

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  Essentially, she's like, what do you want? Like at top, you know what I mean? Like shit that is like, whoa. You know what I mean? Like, how do I handle this? So I had to pull the car over naturally. She's still right in the face screaming at me. Point blank range. And I'm like, well, I'm gonna call the cops if you don't calm down. Cause I feel like I was pretty calm in the situation. I.

• 1:00:26Speaker 05

  That's always your, that's always your thing. You sit there. And you you will ask me quite you put you get me to the point where I feel like I'm going literally insane and then you turn it on. I'm the calm one. I'm not doing anything wrong.

• 1:00:37Speaker 04

  Well, I usually am. Compared of the two of us, I am the calm one.

• 1:00:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, because you will sit there and just. I don't even know. You just.

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  What not fight, not punch you, not yell at you.

• 1:00:49Speaker 05

  It's the fact that your communication sucks and I've been asking for you to work on it for months and you do nothing to work on it. And then you sit there and ask me all of these questions that don't even make like, what do you? What do you?

• 1:01:00Speaker 04

  They're questions. Are you gonna get offended by questions?

• 1:01:02Speaker 05

  Cause it's not like, what do you, what do you want me to say about it? Like, oh, sorry. Yeah, it's my fault that my brother lit a cigarette in the car. I am so sorry.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  Just say next time, like, well, I don't know, a different resolution. I don't know.

• 1:01:14Speaker 05

  This had happened the day before and like I had already told you, I'm sorry he did that. There's not really much else I can do. I told him to throw it out. He wouldn't. I'm not gonna sit there and get into a whole blown fight with my brother about, about the like.

• 1:01:25Speaker 04

  The reason why I even brought it up again was because it smelled like a cigarette in there. I kept saying that even after the fact.

• 1:01:32Caleb Hammer?

  What can she do about that, though? I'm confused.

• 1:01:34Speaker 04

  Well, nothing.

• 1:01:35Speaker 05

  I sprayed perfume in the car. That's all I had. I sprayed perfume in it to try to make it.

• 1:01:39Caleb Hammer?

  Fucking blow up and get it rid of there. But the, again, the other thing, the thing is like. I don't know if you're trying to save face or what, but the other instance, the story that you're telling that felt like it went nowhere. He was laying down and you beat the shit out of him and he had markings so bad that people on the beach were commenting about it.

• 1:01:54Speaker 05

  Um.

• 1:01:55Caleb Hammer?

  That's the reality of what happened. That's what they're telling me.

• 1:02:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, the.

• 1:02:01Caleb Hammer?

  Like, I don't know what you're trying to do. I don't know if you're trying to save face or what.

• 1:02:04Speaker 05

  I'm not proud of that night. I'm not proud of that night at all.

• 1:02:08Caleb Hammer?

  Of the four nights you've beat on him in six months? You're not proud of those nights, including last night getting arrested and setting the night over jail?

• 1:02:17Speaker 05

  The one in Florida, I do feel like that one was a little bit overboard. I should not have done that, but I had also.

• 1:02:22Caleb Hammer?

  How hard did she go? What was she doing to you?

• 1:02:25Speaker 04

  I was laying on my stomach on the bed. There were two beds in the room. I was laying on a different one than she was. And she essentially just came over and started.

• 1:02:34Speaker 04

  On my shoulder blade, like right here. Yeah.

• 1:02:36Caleb Hammer?

  And why?

• 1:02:37Speaker 04

  She was pissed off.

• 1:02:38Caleb Hammer?

  At what?

• 1:02:39Speaker 05

  He wouldn't talk to me about anything. He just was ignoring me.

• 1:02:42Caleb Hammer?

  So we beat?

• 1:02:43Speaker 05

  Talk to me. I granted, I was very, very drunk that night. I had drank a lot.

• 1:02:48Caleb Hammer?

  Great. Yeah. She has her drinking under control. Great. And you tell me you've been trying to get him to improve his communication for months? You've only been dating for months. Why are you guys together? Can someone answer that question?

• 1:03:02Speaker 05

  Cause I want my son to have his dad in his life and I know that if I don't have around, then it's not gonna have him and I want my son to have.

• 1:03:09Caleb Hammer?

  Is he a good dad to be around? You're not in your other kids' lives. Why?

• 1:03:13Speaker 05

  Choice.

• 1:03:14Speaker 04

  Choice.

• 1:03:14Speaker 05

  Entirely choice.

• 1:03:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:17Caleb Hammer?

  So why is that the guy we want? Go get a real father for the kid.

• 1:03:21Speaker 05

  I don't, I don't know.

• 1:03:23Caleb Hammer?

  You know, you face charges now here in Austin, right?

• 1:03:27Caleb Hammer?

  You're gonna have to return.

• 1:03:28Speaker 05

  I'm trying to talk to my attorney about doing Zoom.

• 1:03:30Caleb Hammer?

  Your attorney? Who the is your attorney?

• 1:03:33Speaker 05

  I don't know. Some.

• 1:03:35Caleb Hammer?

  Public defender?

• 1:03:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, like an orange card they gave me. Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:39Speaker 04

  Jeez.

• 1:03:40Speaker 05

  I still don't even know who it is.

• 1:03:41Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, now if the DNA test comes back in decent likelihood that he is not the father, then what? Cause that's the only reason you're keeping the guy around that you beat the shit out of that according to you berates you every moment of every day.

• 1:03:54Speaker 05

  He's, I don't know. Yeah. He's free to do whatever he wants to do now. I don't care like.

• 1:03:58Caleb Hammer?

  You. What would you think at that point? Cause he's the only reason he's around is cause he's the father of the kid. Well, what if he's not? At a decent odds, by the way.

• 1:04:06Speaker 05

  If he's not, then I, he's gonna end up moving out and we'd have to.

• 1:04:10Caleb Hammer?

  Kick him out. You'll kick him out if he's not the father.

• 1:04:12Speaker 05

  Well, I don't think he would wanna stay in life if he.

• 1:04:15Caleb Hammer?

  No, what would you do? That's what I'm asking. What would you do?

• 1:04:18Speaker 05

  I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:04:20Caleb Hammer?

  What?

• 1:04:21Speaker 05

  I don't know what I would do. Like I would.

• 1:04:22Caleb Hammer?

  What would you do?

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  If I found out that I'm not the father?

• 1:04:25Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah. Are you gonna stick with the kid that's not yours when you won't even stick around for the ones that are?

• 1:04:29Speaker 04

  I wanna say yes. I was.

• 1:04:30Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, hey, how about you go like actually support your real kids?

• 1:04:33Speaker 05

  They don't want anything to do with them. They changed their.

• 1:04:36Speaker 04

  They live in Kentucky.

• 1:04:37Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, you can live in Kentucky. Why have they changed the last name?

• 1:04:42Speaker 05

  Because he has been uninvolved for so long that the guy that their mother was with was more of a father to them.

• 1:04:47Caleb Hammer?

  Why have you done this? Why did you abandon?

• 1:04:50Speaker 04

  Poor choices.

• 1:04:50Caleb Hammer?

  No, that's not an answer. Why did you abandon them?

• 1:04:53Speaker 04

  For me, there's no valid reason.

• 1:04:56Caleb Hammer?

  It's not about valid. I'm asking why you did it.

• 1:04:58Speaker 05

  It's because he didn't just doesn't want to be. He just doesn't wanna be involved. He just, he's being lazy. And this is what I mean when I say he is.

• 1:05:04Caleb Hammer?

  He's lazy?

• 1:05:05Speaker 05

  Yes, he is lazy.

• 1:05:06Caleb Hammer?

  How is he lazy?

• 1:05:07Speaker 05

  Because he has no ambition to do anything, including being in his kids' lives.

• 1:05:11Caleb Hammer?

  He's only with you to keep a roof over your head?

• 1:05:12Speaker 05

  Honestly, yes. Yeah, cause once, once he got evicted out of his trailer, he started staying with his cousin.

• 1:05:20Caleb Hammer?

  Buddy, you're thirty-three. You moved in with a twenty-one year old.

• 1:05:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:24Caleb Hammer?

  That's how pathetic.

• 1:05:25Speaker 05

  And he tells me that I'm a child all the time. Like, he needs to take a look in the mirror.

• 1:05:29Caleb Hammer?

  He calls you.

• 1:05:30Speaker 05

  Yes, but he also calls me childish. Is the one that sticks to mind. He calls me a lot of other things too, but is the one that sticks. He needs to look in the mirror and realize that he is thirty-three years old. I'm, I'm twenty-one. Granted, I am old enough to know better, but like, I'm still fucking learning.

• 1:05:44Caleb Hammer?

  Adulthood. Everyone's learning throughout human existence.

• 1:05:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:47Caleb Hammer?

  That's what human life, like, don't infantilize yourself. But it is pathetic that a thirty-three year old has to rely on a twenty-one year old.

• 1:05:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, I feel like honestly.

• 1:05:54Caleb Hammer?

  What I would give a twenty-one year old is they're less likely to have a stable income. That's what I would give. I'm not gonna infantilize, but that's a reality. What does he do for work?

• 1:06:01Speaker 05

  He is a store manager.

• 1:06:05Caleb Hammer?

  How do you, how can you not afford your own place? What do you make?

• 1:06:07Speaker 04

  Six, six fifty a week.

• 1:06:09Caleb Hammer?

  Net? That's what hits your account?

• 1:06:11Speaker 04

  Uh, after taxes.

• 1:06:12Caleb Hammer?

  Why do neither of you brush your teeth, by the way?

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  Um, good question. I am trying to get better.

• 1:06:17Caleb Hammer?

  I would love a valid answer.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  Laziness.

• 1:06:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:20Caleb Hammer?

  What? Too lazy to? I've, I've been. For a couple of minutes, twice a day?

• 1:06:24Speaker 05

  I am.

• 1:06:24Caleb Hammer?

  You know what's literally probably the easiest thing that can be done other than sleep? That's the next easiest thing.

• 1:06:30Speaker 04

  Laziness. I've been trying to work on it myself, trying to.

• 1:06:33Caleb Hammer?

  Why? How do I try to work? I'm disconnected from this.

• 1:06:38Speaker 05

  His pole. I don't think there's really anything that's gonna help his at this point.

• 1:06:41Caleb Hammer?

  Girl, your teeth are.

• 1:06:42Speaker 05

  Mine, mine are still safe a lot. I don't.

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• 1:07:10Caleb Hammer?

  Asti.

• 1:07:11Speaker 05

  That, well, yeah, I just like have been.

• 1:07:13Caleb Hammer?

  You know how much breath I've been smoking this episode?

• 1:07:15Speaker 05

  Probably a lot.

• 1:07:16Caleb Hammer?

  How often do you guys brush your teeths?

• 1:07:17Speaker 04

  I've been trying to brush mine at least.

• 1:07:19Caleb Hammer?

  Trying? How often do you actually?

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  Once a day.

• 1:07:21Caleb Hammer?

  No, you don't. What have you been doing?

• 1:07:23Speaker 04

  Once a day.

• 1:07:24Caleb Hammer?

  Not until recently. What have you been doing?

• 1:07:26Speaker 04

  Like not, I wasn't before I.

• 1:07:28Caleb Hammer?

  You just weren't brushing your teeth at all?

• 1:07:30Speaker 05

  I think realistically, for both of us, we probably like.

• 1:07:33Caleb Hammer?

  And you?

• 1:07:34Speaker 05

  Um, that's why I said both of us. Probably like, I don't know, twice a week.

• 1:07:38Caleb Hammer?

  Why? What, what, what is the point?

• 1:07:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't think there is a point. I think it's just like thoughtless. We're just both being. We're just, that, that's us being right there is not, not doing it.

• 1:07:49Caleb Hammer?

  So it just, I feel like brushing teeth just happens. Like, I feel like it just, like, this is, it just happens. Like, I don't even think about it. It just happens.

• 1:08:01Caleb Hammer?

  You guys are freaks. So you make net two thousand eight hundred seventeen dollars a month. Average month, some month more, some month less because of your weekly pay. So Anna, what do you do at twenty-one for a living?

• 1:08:15Speaker 05

  I'm a line cook at, or a sports bar.

• 1:08:18Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, that's why, that's why that place of which I think we're bleeping the name of is, does not taste very good.

• 1:08:27Speaker 05

  No, not entirely.

• 1:08:28Caleb Hammer?

  Needs to be a big fan of their wings, let's say, as an example.

• 1:08:34Caleb Hammer?

  Very good. Okay, what do you make?

• 1:08:36Speaker 05

  Uh, seventeen fifty, being in the kitchen, but I just started training for hosting up front, which is, I think, fifteen plus tips.

• 1:08:45Caleb Hammer?

  We train to host?

• 1:08:48Speaker 05

  It's only like once a week, so like a couple of.

• 1:08:50Caleb Hammer?

  Isn't that what the sixteen year olds do that can't serve? They host?

• 1:08:53Speaker 05

  So basically there, I want, I wanna end up in the bar, but in order for me to do that, I have to go up through the, like, I have to start hosting, then serving, and then I can go to the bar.

• 1:09:01Caleb Hammer?

  What's your per paycheck pay and what's the frequency of per paycheck?

• 1:09:05Speaker 05

  Um, right now I don't really get to work a lot, so I.

• 1:09:09Caleb Hammer?

  Why?

• 1:09:10Speaker 05

  Because of childcare.

• 1:09:11Caleb Hammer?

  No, girl, not a chance you're not subsidized. You're not married. I doubt you claim him in your house.

• 1:09:17Speaker 05

  Until I got with him and then since.

• 1:09:19Caleb Hammer?

  You claim it?

• 1:09:20Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:09:20Caleb Hammer?

  You claim him living in your house?

• 1:09:22Speaker 05

  Well, I don't wanna get in trouble with the, like, the.

• 1:09:26Caleb Hammer?

  Out of all things, you choose not to get in trouble for. Okay, um, well, I guess like kudos, I guess. Okay, very good. Um, so if he moves out, then why? Cause I think, are you done? Where are we right now? How about that? Can I just know that? You guys leave here. We've purposely not really let you guys see each other other than right at the gas station. We've kept you separated. We filmed like fifteen seconds after you sat down?

• 1:09:52Caleb Hammer?

  What happens from here?

• 1:09:54Speaker 05

  I don't know. I feel like a lot of conversation and trying to figure out like changes I need to make.

• 1:10:00Caleb Hammer?

  Six months and you're complaining about his communication. Six months, he's pushed you down twice and once you got a concussion. Six months, she's beat the shit out of you four times. We're having a conversation? Six months, we're probably not even your kid. Probably.

• 1:10:14Caleb Hammer?

  And we're having a conversation? What conversation? So this is what I would say. That's what we're here for. Have the conversation.

• 1:10:22Speaker 05

  I don't, I don't know what, I don't, I don't know what to say right now, honestly. I'm gonna.

• 1:10:27Caleb Hammer?

  But this is it. This is it, guys. What? What do you wanna say to him? What do you wanna say to her?

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  I wanna obviously try and do what we can if there is a possibility, but I will, I'm not gonna keep, I'm not gonna keep getting, I'm not gonna be a punching bag.

• 1:10:47Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:10:48Speaker 04

  I'm done with that.

• 1:10:48Speaker 05

  Be your emotional dirtbag either.

• 1:10:50Speaker 04

  That's fair. I get that. You shouldn't have to be.

• 1:10:53Speaker 05

  I'm not gonna sit there and act like.

• 1:10:54Caleb Hammer?

  You shouldn't have to be. Then don't do it, you moron. You imbecile. You trailer trash piece of shit. You pathetic worm on the existence of humanity.

• 1:11:06Caleb Hammer?

  You shouldn't be? Then don't do it. You shouldn't be? Stop being a pathetic wrench. Don't berate her. You shouldn't be. You, you disgusting, non-teeth brushing, nasty, pathetic waste of American life. You contribute nothing.

• 1:11:29Speaker 05

  He's lived in my apartment for like, I don't know, how long? Three months? And he's paid $500 worth of rent.

• 1:11:35Caleb Hammer?

  You're a deadbeat, not even in the life of your two kids.

• 1:11:39Speaker 04

  Come on.

• 1:11:40Speaker 05

  Oh, okay, seven sixty, actually, because it was two sixty that he gave me before. So.

• 1:11:45Speaker 04

  I was in a prior engagement with my cousin, staying at his place, so she knew that.

• 1:11:52Caleb Hammer?

  You've been there six months.

• 1:11:56Caleb Hammer?

  You've been there six fucking months? What are you talking about? Prior engagement isn't. You've been there six months.

• 1:12:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, I didn't live with her for six months.

• 1:12:03Speaker 05

  No, you were coming over every night. So you were damn near living there.

• 1:12:06Caleb Hammer?

  And also, would you not want to support, you know, the, uh, uh, your kid?

• 1:12:11Speaker 04

  Yes, that's, that's why I kind of moved in with her because I want to be there.

• 1:12:15Caleb Hammer?

  That's why you've contributed $750 to rent in the last six months.

• 1:12:18Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, that's just rent. I've obviously provided for.

• 1:12:21Caleb Hammer?

  Just the roof over my kid's head.

• 1:12:23Speaker 04

  I provided diapers, wipes.

• 1:12:25Speaker 05

  I also buy those things. You're not the only one that has to buy them.

• 1:12:28Speaker 04

  I'm just throwing stuff out that I've put in other than.

• 1:12:30Speaker 05

  Okay, good for you. You have to buy shit that parents have to buy. Wow.

• 1:12:34Caleb Hammer?

  Buddy, your answer was the most pathetic thing I ever heard. She obviously is more in the wrong for the domestic abuse. But when she says I shouldn't be, you're verbal punching bag. You're, you're right. You shouldn't have to be. What the is that? What the is that? What manipulation tactic is that? And I get, she actually literally is not even trying to insult her. She's, you're a. You are. You're.

• 1:13:01Caleb Hammer?

  You are. Look at you, trailer trash nasty piece of shit. You're disgusting. You don't brush your teeth. Your kid's probably teeth that's already fallen out at this point.

• 1:13:09Speaker 05

  No, I do make sure.

• 1:13:10Caleb Hammer?

  You're beating people, getting arrested, beating people on beaches. You're a.

• 1:13:16Caleb Hammer?

  Actually, not an insult. You're pathetic and you should be ashamed of your existence.

• 1:13:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, something like that. Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:22Caleb Hammer?

  Something like that?

• 1:13:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't really, um, I don't condone the whole physical violence thing.

• 1:13:28Caleb Hammer?

  You don't condone the thing that you do. Now you're pulling him. Now you're pulling him. You both are so.

• 1:13:33Speaker 05

  Hear me out. No, hear me out. I don't, I don't like the fact that I get to, to the point where I put my hands on him. I don't like, I don't like the fact that that happened.

• 1:13:41Caleb Hammer?

  And then you do.

• 1:13:42Speaker 05

  Because he sits there and pushes me to that point. He knows damn well that I will. I have internal explosive disorder. I have genuine anger problems.

• 1:13:54Caleb Hammer?

  Or she was wearing all that. That's the same kind of excuse you're using. I don't care what he does. Deescalate, move, leave. I don't care. Break up. That doesn't mean you beat.

• 1:14:05Speaker 05

  I asked him to leave the hotel.

• 1:14:06Caleb Hammer?

  Then you leave. Are you that?

• 1:14:10Speaker 05

  Phone was dead. Like I had to charge it.

• 1:14:12Caleb Hammer?

  Take your charger then. There's outlets downstairs in the hotel. We went there.

• 1:14:16Speaker 04

  Everything is always dead of hers because she cannot leave stuff charged like.

• 1:14:20Caleb Hammer?

  I think that's the minimal topic of this episode.

• 1:14:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:26Caleb Hammer?

  You're a pathetic waste of space deadbeat and you're an evil.

• 1:14:31Caleb Hammer?

  You're evil.

• 1:14:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:33Caleb Hammer?

  You're a horrible piece of shit father and you're a piece of shit mother.

• 1:14:35Speaker 05

  I don't think I'm a piece of shit.

• 1:14:36Caleb Hammer?

  You're a piece of shit mother.

• 1:14:38Speaker 05

  I don't think so.

• 1:14:38Caleb Hammer?

  You are for letting this man in your house? You're a piece of shit mother. For beating someone, for beating someone, the partner, the father of your kid, you're a piece of shit mother.

• 1:14:47Speaker 05

  Well, I don't think any father should make a mother feel that way.

• 1:14:50Caleb Hammer?

  I agree, and I don't think any mother should beat the father.

• 1:14:53Speaker 05

  I agree. I don't think that.

• 1:14:54Caleb Hammer?

  You agree, and then you do it.

• 1:14:55Speaker 05

  I'm not saying I was right in my actions. I'm not saying.

• 1:14:58Caleb Hammer?

  Four times, four times, six months, four times.

• 1:15:00Speaker 05

  I'm not saying, I'm not saying that they were right.

• 1:15:02Caleb Hammer?

  Four times, six months.

• 1:15:04Speaker 05

  I'm not saying it was correct.

• 1:15:06Caleb Hammer?

  Just got you out of jail. You were in jail three hours ago.

• 1:15:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:15:10Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, take the high road.

• 1:15:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, I feel like, I don't know, that's probably the best option at this point.

• 1:15:15Caleb Hammer?

  Did she ever hit you in front of the kid?

• 1:15:16Speaker 04

  No, she hasn't.

• 1:15:17Speaker 05

  No, I don't, I don't, I grew, I grew up around that shit and I don't want my son growing up in the same kind of.

• 1:15:22Caleb Hammer?

  You know how close you are?

• 1:15:23Speaker 05

  I know, and it scares the shit out of me.

• 1:15:25Caleb Hammer?

  Saying in front of you and you hit him.

• 1:15:29Speaker 05

  Not in front of the kid.

• 1:15:30Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, we'll see. You don't seem to have much control over your emotions, let's say.

• 1:15:34Speaker 05

  When it comes to my son, I do.

• 1:15:36Caleb Hammer?

  Not when it comes to him.

• 1:15:37Speaker 05

  Because he's a grown man. He knows what he's doing.

• 1:15:40Caleb Hammer?

  Your kid could be right there or in the other room.

• 1:15:41Speaker 05

  Who's 12 years older than me. He should know more than me how to have a conversation with people.

• 1:15:46Caleb Hammer?

  Maybe he's had more human experience.

• 1:15:48Speaker 05

  Exactly. So with this more human experience that he has had.

• 1:15:51Caleb Hammer?

  Haven't you had 21 years to learn how to brush your teeth? Haven't you had 21 years to learn how to not beat people?

• 1:15:57Speaker 05

  I have, yeah. I probably should take a few more notes, but.

• 1:16:01Caleb Hammer?

  Is that not the same thing?

• 1:16:04Speaker 05

  I've come a long way.

• 1:16:04Caleb Hammer?

  Why are you guys possibly together? Kid's probably not even yours. You're going home together? You, you still want to have a conversation together? And the conversation you had is you're right, you should have made me feel bad by me. What's going to come from that?

• 1:16:22Speaker 04

  So I'm just bad at communicating. I mean, I say shit that I guess comes out wrong a lot.

• 1:16:26Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, yeah? Yeah, do you do that? Uh-huh.

• 1:16:30Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:16:31Caleb Hammer?

  Improve yourself. Go to therapy. Read a book.

• 1:16:34Speaker 04

  I know you can't read your.

• 1:16:36Speaker 05

  I've been asking him to try to get counseling or something and he's like, I was asking him for, what? Four months for you to just make a doctor's appointment, go to the doctors, and he wouldn't because he was terrified. And.

• 1:16:48Speaker 04

  I mean, I have a illogical fear of the doctors. I, I got the appointment book, like I.

• 1:16:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, after like four months and then the, the problem that you have been having has continued to get worse and then you. I don't even know. I think.

• 1:16:59Speaker 04

  Stomach issues.

• 1:17:00Speaker 05

  Stomach issues and like, I think he has high blood pressure, so he tends to, you know, he sweats a little bit more than the average person, I think, but like, the stomach issues is like. I empathize that. Like I, I feel bad that he has to wake up feeling like that every day.

• 1:17:13Caleb Hammer?

  Not bad enough to not beat his ass.

• 1:17:15Speaker 05

  Well.

• 1:17:16Caleb Hammer?

  What? How am I supposed to like, oh, she's such a good girl. What a good partner. She's incredible. How am I even doing this, guys? This is actually a lot of paperwork. How am I doing this from here? What's the play?

• 1:17:27Speaker 05

  I don't even know.

• 1:17:28Caleb Hammer?

  What's the idea? What am I trying to do? Why do you think your financial score is zero to 10, zero being the worst, ten being the best?

• 1:17:33Speaker 05

  I'm a point four.

• 1:17:35Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:37Caleb Hammer?

  Point seven. Okay. Buy shirts that cover that thing. If you want to figure out where you stand in the world of finances, make sure you take the financial assessment, the Hammer Financial Score for free at CalebHammer.com. Just takes a few minutes and you can see where you stand in the world of finances, where you're doing poorly, where you're doing better. And if you don't want to be like a guest that ends up on the show, clearly this is not their main issue. Download the Dollar Wise Budgeting app. Uh, you know, take the free trial, see if it works for you, works for the majority of people. That's why they sign up for the annual version. And then, by the way, when you do, you get my brand new cookbook, just pack a sandwich. And I'm going to mail that right to you. So check it out, Dollar Wise, I can just download it. Yeah, hook them up. I'm going to start looking at these things. I both your feet shot on the ground.

• 1:18:20Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, he's wearing a hate pulling out shirt. Very good. That's great. Yeah, you also hate being around the kids that come from it.

• 1:18:27Caleb Hammer?

  You know, you're a bad person, right? You know, you're a horrible piece of shit existence of humanity?

• 1:18:32Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:18:32Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, great. And no self-improvement ever?

• 1:18:35Speaker 04

  I would like to.

• 1:18:36Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, you would like to? Then do. What do you mean you'd like to? I don't like to, fucking do.

• 1:18:40Speaker 04

  I guess I don't know where to start.

• 1:18:41Caleb Hammer?

  Where to start? Oh, say hi to your kids. Hello, kids. It's dad.

• 1:18:45Speaker 04

  I mean, that is the start. I guess I just, I've been so inconsistent. I don't know where to start from here again.

• 1:18:50Speaker 05

  I've tried giving him like options or like ideas to like, you know, ways to try to help his like ambition a little bit, get more on his feet.

• 1:18:56Caleb Hammer?

  No. Your kids are trying to connect with you by inviting you on Fortnite and you're rejecting it?

• 1:19:05Caleb Hammer?

  You are such a bad person.

• 1:19:08Speaker 04

  I'm pretty sure I've played with my son. Actually, that's the last time I've actually communicated with him was on Fortnite.

• 1:19:19Caleb Hammer?

  What's your knowledge of this, if any?

• 1:19:21Speaker 05

  Well, that, that actually was one of the first times that we had ever hung out, which is one of the reasons why I kind of decided I don't really know if I can like be with this person is because. When I had hung out with him, I, I was, I was playing Fortnite on his console and he got an invite from his kid and he said, oh, that, just, that's my kid. Just ignore that. And that was like a big kind of like, I don't know.

• 1:19:43Caleb Hammer?

  What's your blood pressure?

• 1:19:45Speaker 04

  168 over 77.

• 1:19:46Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, okay. I mean, elevated certainly on that first part, but.

• 1:19:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've lost.

• 1:19:50Caleb Hammer?

  Not crazy.

• 1:19:51Speaker 04

  I've lost some weight since I last, I mean, I haven't been to the doctors and probably. Yeah. No, I don't, I don't, I don't do drugs like that.

• 1:19:59Caleb Hammer?

  So how much can we say you make before I go to these finances?

• 1:20:03Speaker 05

  Probably 250 a week.

• 1:20:06Speaker 05

  It's not a lot. That's why I was on aid before he moved in.

• 1:20:09Caleb Hammer?

  Okay.

• 1:20:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was made, I'd make like 250 a week.

• 1:20:15Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, you are getting food stamps still.

• 1:20:16Speaker 05

  Yes. Yeah. I don't know, uh, for how long because him like moving in to the apartment was.

• 1:20:22Caleb Hammer?

  Would your life be better with or without him?

• 1:20:27Speaker 05

  I don't know. When I, when I was not with him and it was just me in that apartment, I was doing really, really good for myself. I was doing really, really well.

• 1:20:33Caleb Hammer?

  I paid for it.

• 1:20:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was doing really well. Um, and since he's kind of come back, I feel like I've not really been doing as well.

• 1:20:41Caleb Hammer?

  Or everything's getting worse since he's been in your life? The deadbeat of the century, the worst dad ever created in the history of the world?

• 1:20:46Speaker 05

  In some aspects, he makes my life better, but.

• 1:20:49Caleb Hammer?

  Why? He sticks it in?

• 1:20:50Speaker 05

  Well, no, but, um.

• 1:20:52Caleb Hammer?

  Does he even do that anywhere?

• 1:20:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, but it's mainly because of me, but, um.

• 1:20:58Caleb Hammer?

  Well, so you don't even want to.

• 1:21:01Speaker 04

  No, I still want to. That's one thing that.

• 1:21:03Speaker 05

  It's the health thing. That's like, it's just, it's a whole thing. It's difficult.

• 1:21:08Caleb Hammer?

  You have a really weird build too, so like that could be.

• 1:21:12Speaker 05

  Thanks. Um.

• 1:21:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:21:15Caleb Hammer?

  Take that shit off, you dumbass! You fuck- you suck at existing.

• 1:21:21Speaker 04

  Figure someone would come over here and rip it off my arm.

• 1:21:23Caleb Hammer?

  Are we your daddy?

• 1:21:26Speaker 05

  He needs guidance.

• 1:21:27Caleb Hammer?

  I know you're not used to seeing what a good daddy looks like. That's what you expected to happen.

• 1:21:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't even, I don't know.

• 1:21:35Caleb Hammer?

  Okay, bro. You got a Capital One.

• 1:21:39Caleb Hammer?

  What's going on, guy? Dude, I don't even, you guys are honestly such evil creatures that I don't even feel compelled to help you guys with your finances, honestly. Which was not what we expected. But then you got arrested last night, the night before coming on the show. But whatever, Capital One Platinum, you owe $429.43 with a... Hundred sixty- oh, wait, no, you're late. I got you earlier. But it's like a $45 payment, but you are, oh, wait! Oh, you're over the limit by $129. Okay, let's pretend he is the dad. Good luck with that one, by the way.

• 1:22:18Caleb Hammer?

  Even if he is, is this the partner you want to be with?

• 1:22:21Speaker 05

  No, financially-

• 1:22:22Caleb Hammer?

  Your life was better before her, before him, and now he's in here, and this is his finances. You want this? This is what you want?

• 1:22:29Speaker 05

  No. No, I don't want that. I-

• 1:22:31Caleb Hammer?

  So what are you gonna do? Even if he is the dad, what the fuck? Is this a conversation?

• 1:22:34Speaker 05

  This is why I have been asking. This is why we even applied. I've been-

• 1:22:37Caleb Hammer?

  Asking what?

• 1:22:37Speaker 05

  I've been asking him to get his shit figured out. At 33, he should have a better grasp, like, better grasp on his finances.

• 1:22:44Caleb Hammer?

  Dude, he can't even talk to his kids on Fortnite. You think he's gonna have good finances?

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  I had a gambling problem. I had, uh-

• 1:22:49Caleb Hammer?

  Had, had, had!

• 1:22:50Speaker 04

  Had, yeah.

• 1:22:51Caleb Hammer?

  When's had?

• 1:22:52Speaker 04

  Realistically, a year ago.

• 1:22:54Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:22:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:56Speaker 05

  That's why he lost his trailer.

• 1:22:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:58Caleb Hammer?

  You fuck-

• 1:23:02Speaker 04

  Gambling and a bad DoorDash addiction and-

• 1:23:04Caleb Hammer?

  I'm just-

• 1:23:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:09Caleb Hammer?

  One of the bad ones. Why does that mean you're not paying on your debt now? You make money.

• 1:23:15Speaker 04

  Uh, I've been trying. I think all my money recently has gone to rent. I just paid-

• 1:23:19Speaker 05

  Rent and diapers.

• 1:23:20Caleb Hammer?

  What rent? He's paid $750 to rent.

• 1:23:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's why I'm, exactly. What rent?

• 1:23:24Speaker 04

  I just gave her, on this, uh, Oc- October, I just gave her $550 for-

• 1:23:28Speaker 05

  That doesn't speak for like the month before that.

• 1:23:30Caleb Hammer?

  How much? How much?

• 1:23:31Speaker 04

  What is it?

• 1:23:31Caleb Hammer?

  How much?

• 1:23:31Speaker 04

  $550? That's half my, half my, uh, rent for that month.

• 1:23:36Caleb Hammer?

  Hey, guy, that leaves you with 2,000, like, 200 or 2,300 left.

• 1:23:43Speaker 05

  This is why I'm confused.

• 1:23:44Caleb Hammer?

  Why aren't you paying a $45 payment?

• 1:23:45Speaker 04

  Well, realistically, we went to Florida. All of my money got spent for-

• 1:23:49Caleb Hammer?

  No. All your money got spent getting stitches?

• 1:23:52Speaker 04

  No. On food and bullshit.

• 1:23:56Speaker 05

  You can't even really blame the Florida trip because this has been an ongoing issue since well before Florida.

• 1:24:00Caleb Hammer?

  It's also a vacation, not a necessity anyways, I don't give a-

• 1:24:04Speaker 04

  I've been having a hard time catching up because, well, when I get paid-

• 1:24:06Caleb Hammer?

  You opened this card during your relationship, and you guys haven't even been together six months.

• 1:24:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I got it to get groceries for the house because we had no money.

• 1:24:14Caleb Hammer?

  For the house?

• 1:24:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I was with her at the time, so-

• 1:24:17Caleb Hammer?

  I would love to see that, but he's passed, too. That makes no sense why he can't make a $45 payment.

• 1:24:22Speaker 05

  I didn't even, I didn't know you took a card out for groceries for the house. We had, we get food stamps.

• 1:24:26Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, you think it went to the fucking groceries?

• 1:24:28Speaker 05

  I didn't even know, honestly-

• 1:24:29Caleb Hammer?

  I told you, you're literally-

• 1:24:31Speaker 05

  I don't know, I didn't even know that he had opened a card since starting our relationship, but-

• 1:24:33Caleb Hammer?

  I'm trying to trigger her so hard.

• 1:24:37Caleb Hammer?

  One main financial. 22.06%. What's going on?

• 1:24:42Speaker 04

  Uh, it's a loan that I got to consolidate all my debt. And, uh, I mean, as you can see, clearly that did nothing.

• 1:24:51Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, I thought that was the balance as a monthly payment, $250.32? Ah! Dude, the balance is $6,588.37. Here's the reality. Listen, I'm okay with consolidations. We've been at CalebHermes.com, we have consolidations, we have home insurance, we have student loan ref- we have every financial tool you could think of at CalebHermes.com. That shops the marketplace for you. We designed it to help people. That doesn't make any sense for people like you. Because you have that fixed behavior that got you in this financial position in the first place. So why the fuck would you consolidate it? You have this much debt, you consolidate it over here, all of a sudden you spend that much debt, you have doubled it up!

• 1:25:27Speaker 04

  Because it was, in my opinion, it was, it felt smarter because I was paying a higher monthly bill versus the one I consolidated.

• 1:25:33Caleb Hammer?

  And have you, you know, ended up with the conclusion that maybe you're an absolute dumb piece of shit? That shouldn't make decisions based on what your brain says because your brain can't process simple things?

• 1:25:47Speaker 05

  This is why I've been having an issue with the whole, like, finances thing for a while, because I've been asking him about where is all of his money going to, because he makes decent money, before he was managing his manager at.

• 1:25:58Speaker 05

  So-

• 1:25:58Caleb Hammer?

  Why didn't you manage it?

• 1:26:00Speaker 05

  Like, I don't, I don't even know. But like, he, he, he's made decent money since him and I have been together, so like, I just don't understand where all of this money is, like, going to.

• 1:26:07Caleb Hammer?

  Do you have an answer for it today?

• 1:26:09Speaker 04

  The past few weeks, um...

• 1:26:13Speaker 04

  I guess the Florida trip, I gave you three quarters of my check last week for rent. Um, the week before that.

• 1:26:21Caleb Hammer?

  Dude, that was $500. I, you makes $2,700-

• 1:26:25Speaker 04

  A month.

• 1:26:25Caleb Hammer?

  $2,817 a month. Yes! Rent was $550! That doesn't make any sense! Oh, you got evicted at one point? Our realty? Is this the trailer?

• 1:26:35Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:26:39Caleb Hammer?

  Affirm. Due.

• 1:26:41Speaker 05

  Can I use the restroom real quick?

• 1:26:42Caleb Hammer?

  No. Due, affirm. Affirm is due. Walmart. 30% interest on Walmart. You would.

• 1:26:54Caleb Hammer?

  $216.77.

• 1:26:58Caleb Hammer?

  Monthly pay- ah, no, I mean, it's probably like 50 bucks, we'll just put... They're even paying on this Walmart? What did you get, dude?

• 1:27:06Speaker 04

  Uh, I believe stuff for my computer.

• 1:27:08Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, you know, the groceries. He's just taking care of the house. He's just taking care- sounds like he wants his gaming PC to be souped up.

• 1:27:14Speaker 04

  This was before we had got together on this loan. This is well before.

• 1:27:17Caleb Hammer?

  Really? All this shit? Oh, it actually was. That's crazy. $191.54 from Walmart, souping up his gaming PC. We have another, this one's only $34. That one's probably done in one payment. How do you feel that this is what his pri- prioritizes? He at least knew he had three kids at that point, even if he was with you or not.

• 1:27:36Speaker 05

  Um, I don't, I always feel like when it comes to his, like, finances, I don't feel like he really is smart about it, I guess. I don't know.

• 1:27:43Speaker 04

  I, I think we're both about it, you want to be honest.

• 1:27:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, we are, but I also make significantly less money than you do, and the money that I make, I do put towards, like, you know, the rent and the diapers and shit like that.

• 1:27:54Speaker 04

  And so have I, the past, literally, all my checks have gone towards something beneficial.

• 1:27:58Speaker 05

  When I'm spending rent and diapers, that's all of my money. That is all of it.

• 1:28:03Caleb Hammer?

  Why do you owe your mom $7,500?

• 1:28:05Speaker 04

  Uh, the car that I'm in. She loaned me money to get it.

• 1:28:09Caleb Hammer?

  Are you paying her?

• 1:28:10Speaker 04

  Uh, no.

• 1:28:11Caleb Hammer?

  And your cousin? $600?

• 1:28:13Speaker 04

  I owe him for, uh, rent previously before I moved up.

• 1:28:17Caleb Hammer?

  And are you paying him? What is wrong with you? We are filming an episode.

• 1:28:21Speaker 05

  I have to pee really bad.

• 1:28:22Caleb Hammer?

  Hold it.

• 1:28:22Speaker 05

  I go, I'll try.

• 1:28:25Caleb Hammer?

  Creature, dude. We're filming a episode here.

• 1:28:28Speaker 05

  I've chugged like three bottles of water since I got out of the jail.

• 1:28:31Caleb Hammer?

  Are you paying your cousin?

• 1:28:32Speaker 04

  I would like to get him paid off, yeah. I-

• 1:28:34Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, you would like to?

• 1:28:35Speaker 04

  No, I haven't given him anything.

• 1:28:36Caleb Hammer?

  You like to treat her better? You like to be in your kids' lives? Are you?

• 1:28:41Speaker 04

  No, I haven't gave him anything yet.

• 1:28:42Caleb Hammer?

  You suck at life, dude.

• 1:28:47Caleb Hammer?

  I hope you're embarrassed for your existence. Would your life be better without her?

• 1:28:51Speaker 04

  I don't think so.

• 1:28:52Caleb Hammer?

  Really? The one who has bruised you, beat you, made you get stitches? Your life wouldn't be better without her? What is wrong with you?

• 1:29:00Speaker 05

  Well, before him and I were hanging out, he really didn't do anything for himself. He kind of just-

• 1:29:03Caleb Hammer?

  I don't think he does now.

• 1:29:04Speaker 05

  I don't think he does either, but-

• 1:29:05Caleb Hammer?

  What a person to breed with. Well done. You were making out with someone who doesn't brush their teeth?

• 1:29:09Speaker 05

  Well, I guess I also don't brush my teeth, so I'm gonna-

• 1:29:12Caleb Hammer?

  How is that a nasty to you guys? I barely liked kissing in the first place, I'll be honest. This is like mouth, ugh, like, suck my dick. But like... Okay, $384.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

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• 1:29:52Caleb Hammer?

  You have in collections. You're me ma.

• 1:29:54Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:55Caleb Hammer?

  Why?

• 1:29:56Speaker 05

  Uh, because she's just, I don't know, she's helped me out a lot.

• 1:29:59Caleb Hammer?

  Are you paying her? $1,500 is what you owe. Are you paying her?

• 1:30:02Speaker 05

  I know, I don't have an active payment plan with her right now.

• 1:30:04Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, student loans, $4,811. Are you paying?

• 1:30:07Speaker 05

  Uh, no, I'm, I'm still in school, like, I'm still-

• 1:30:10Caleb Hammer?

  You're in school?

• 1:30:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:12Caleb Hammer?

  For what? Who's ever gonna hire you, criminal record?

• 1:30:15Speaker 05

  Substance abuse counseling.

• 1:30:18Caleb Hammer?

  No, I hope you never graduate with that because you can't help anyone. You can't even help yourself. Chime, I'm glad you got a Chime checking account. You guys can get hundreds of dollars signing up for Chime using only my link. Uh, you got 41 cents in there, though. I think you guys will be better than that. Here's Apple. It's getting bullshit. She's DoorDashing and DoorDashing and getting bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Maybe groceries, maybe not. Sig- cig- oh. Is that you? Cigarette shopper?

• 1:30:45Caleb Hammer?

  Ew! Paramount Plus, DoorDashing, Antique Marketplace, Apple Bill, Apple Bill, Cigarette Shopper, bullshit, bullshit, Apple Bill, Apple Bill, DoorDash Dash Pass. ATM withdrawal, who knows what drugs those went to, and same with that one for $300. And Apple Bill. Guys... What are we doing? And it's DoorDashing, it's bullshit, it's bullshit, bullshit, Paramount, cigarette, it's just, it's the same shit. Just on repeat.

• 1:31:14Speaker 05

  I think at that time I was DoorDashing most of my groceries because I don't have a license right now. Or a car.

• 1:31:19Caleb Hammer?

  How are you gonna do anything in life? How are you ever gonna get better at anything? Okay, this one's just transferring shit back and forth. It's nothing interesting, nothing unique, nothing special. Same with this one. Okay, here's your cash app. The trailer trash woman I know has this. Okay, it says nothing. Again, this is nothing. Okay, here we go. Transfer, transfer, transfer, but you're just transferring things.

• 1:31:46Caleb Hammer?

  Her debt's not even that bad. How are you trying to compare that? You guys are both equally, yours is substantially worse than her. She has one collection since she owes two family members.

• 1:31:54Speaker 04

  Mine's more, for sure.

• 1:31:55Caleb Hammer?

  It's not even close. It's not even comparable.

• 1:31:57Speaker 04

  No, it's, mine's definitely worse, but-

• 1:31:59Speaker 05

  Like, my spending habits are bad. Like, I, I know I have-

• 1:32:02Caleb Hammer?

  Bad spending habits, but like debt wise, he is way worse than I am. Well, his spending is museum, museum ruinscape reoccurring. Okay freak, you went inside and got some bullshit, went inside, got some bullshit, went inside, got some, oh, you door dash there, you door dash there, hey, your license is not expired, you freak. Oh, Fortnite reoccurring bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, door dash, door dash, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, door dash, reoccurring, subscription, probably Fortnite or something again. Going into games, bullshit, and Steam games, and cigarette shopper for you as well, that's great. So, smoking and not brushing our teeths, Apple bill bullshit, Prime video Fortnite again.

• 1:32:43Caleb Hammer?

  Dude, thirty-three, why are you spending money on Fortnite in the year of two thousand twenty-six?

• 1:32:49Speaker 04

  I think I got the crew and I never did like, got rid of it.

• 1:32:52Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, there's just many of them.

• 1:32:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:53Caleb Hammer?

  Door dash, bullshit, bullshit, Fortnite, door dash, bullshit, bullshit, McDonald's, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, dude. And if we're comparing spending, your spending's already worse. Like, at least you can't drive.

• 1:33:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 1:33:08Caleb Hammer?

  You guys fuckin' suck at everything. Arama Jones, Burger King, DoorDash, Five Guys, DoorDash, bullshit, bullshit, DoorDash, bullshit, DoorDash, KFC, KFC, DoorDash, bullshit, cigarette shopper, Subway, cigarette shopper, bullshit. Spotify.

• 1:33:28Caleb Hammer?

  My gosh, see how much money you got. Is there any retirement, any savings, anything? Anything, anywhere for anything?

• 1:33:33Speaker 04

  I have a small one, it's nothing, like, three grand.

• 1:33:37Caleb Hammer?

  Oh, here's gambling, it's only losses. Congratulations, if that's who you want to be with for the rest of your life.

• 1:33:45Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah, that's where you guys are.

• 1:33:50Caleb Hammer?

  Yeah. So, do I budget together or separately? Um. What am I doing here? We can do it together. You tell me what you want, together? I'll do that if that's what you guys desire. So, what hits your account on a monthly basis? Um. Come on, what hits your account from your pay? Come on. Maybe like twelve hundred, fifteen hundred at most.

• 1:34:11Caleb Hammer?

  Huh, fifteen hundred? At most, twelve hundred. We'll do twelve. And here's the thing, you know what's really interesting? I don't know why she said this, maybe she's drunk the fuck out. She specifically told Lindsay, I think, uh, maybe she thought in secret, I don't know, going through my phone would be a huge problem. Oh, my gosh, oh, my gosh. So, we're gonna do that in the post, so we're gonna go through her phone, and I think you're gonna get even angry, maybe angry enough to throw those revenge fists, we'll see. Total income, four thousand seventeen dollars, yeah, your life's about to be fucked, buddy, if it's not already. Minimum monthly debt payments, let's see, twenty-five, fifty, two fifteen point three two plus forty-five. The debt minimum payment is two thousand eight hundred, just, I'm, I'm sorry, two hundred eighty-five thousand eighty-two cents and

• 1:34:54Caleb Hammer?

  with my words when it's past seven o'clock, when we've been here for eleven hours, because you are bad at existing. What's our total rent? Eleven fifty. Utilities, gas, electric, internet, all combined, how much? Uh, that's all included, except like wifi is. Phone bill. A hundred.

• 1:35:14Caleb Hammer?

  Listen, I'll get you guys course career certifications, so you can take that, get them for free, maybe, if you stop beating each other. Prove that you stop, and I'll get you that. People in the audience have converted those into six-figure jobs. Time check in accounts, all the good stuff, helium, fifteen bucks a line, whatever you need. Uh, gas, room from drive, drive, how much combined? Um, I don't really, I'm not really in the car.

• 1:35:35Speaker 04

  Are we saying monthly?

• 1:35:36Caleb Hammer?

  Yes.

• 1:35:37Speaker 04

  Monthly, probably one fifty.

• 1:35:39Caleb Hammer?

  Car insurance.

• 1:35:41Speaker 04

  Um.

• 1:35:42Caleb Hammer?

  If you're even paying.

• 1:35:43Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:35:44Caleb Hammer?

  He doesn't have car insurance right now?

• 1:35:45Speaker 04

  No, it's lapsed, I need to.

• 1:35:47Caleb Hammer?

  Uh, you guys are crazy. Uh, kids probably off the titty, you could definitely budget this house sold for I'm gonna say eight hundred, being generous, says meal prep meal plan, use our cookbooks and the meal plan, TP fund, anything else to survive two hundred dollars, that is tampons, that is whatever, changes on a monthly basis what it is, but two hundred dollars should take care of it, copays on a monthly basis, probably not. Copays, how much? Uh, wait, actually, I don't. No, is there a gym? No. How much you getting food stamps? Food stamps? It, it depends, like, they change it every fucking month for whatever it is. Okay, average. Uh, I don't know, three hundred. Okay, so I'm crossing that down.

• 1:36:23Caleb Hammer?

  Five hundred. Subscriptions, I'll try to put fifty bucks, you have any pets? No. Thank, first trailer trash people in the history of America not to. Anything else that needs to be in your budget? Um, not that I can think of at the moment. Guys, clearly, this is not your fuck issue, but the reality is, here's the thing.

• 1:36:43Caleb Hammer?

  Guys have an extra one, if I'm being just, uh, I'll say seventeen hundred, just to give you an extra wiggle room of almost eighty-one dollars. This will pay off your debt pretty quick if you aren't being absolute pathetic waste of space, but hey, I'm paying for you guys to go to therapy, because that's clearly what you need, and that's even if you stay together after what we find on our phone, this is not a difficult budget situation, you guys are absolutely just, Hammer Financial Scores zero out of ten, not even close, get yours at CalebHammer.com. Now, join us for Hammer Elite for what is guaranteed to be one of the best post shows we've ever had, plus three premium shows, high-quality shows, every single day, Monday through Saturday. It is absolutely incredible. You can subscribe here on YouTube if you want to stay on the platform by clicking that join button below or link below, or you can go off

• 1:37:27Caleb Hammer?

  platform with the Hammer Elite app or HammerElite.com. It's gonna be absolutely incredible. Wherever you want to be, same membership on both platforms, don't forget, we're also gonna do the paternity test. We'll see you there. What am I looking at here, lady? What is, what? Essentially a shit ton of messages you deleted one day ago. One thousand six hundred sixty messages, what's your thoughts on that?

• 1:37:46Speaker 04

  I don't know, I just.

• 1:37:47Caleb Hammer?

  Savannah, he said he was done with you in the car.

• 1:37:49Speaker 03

  I talked to my grandmother when I got to the seven eleven, and she had apparently just had a conversation with him, and he had just gotten done telling her how much he loved me, and he wanted to make this work, and that he wanted to go to therapy. He did not say that to me on the phone.

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• 1:39:12Caleb Hammer?

  It's getting chilly outside. But you know what that means?

• 1:39:18Caleb Hammer?

  It's time to cozy up with Panera Bread. Let's get toasty, cheesy. Oh, hello, broccoli cheddar soup in a bread bowl. How about melty? Okay, Chipotle chicken ovo melt. It's dip in bread and soupy goodness season. Oh, yeah, we are so back. It's Panera season. Order now.