Travelling Back In Time To Kill The Wrong Baby Hitler (with Gianmarco Soresi!) | Prohibition (Part 2)

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• 0:47Speaker 02

  Welcome back to Finn versus History. Joining myself and Erasio Gould is Gianmarco Sarezi.

• 0:52Speaker 03

  Hello, what an honour.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  What an honour to talk prohibition. You're from America.

• 0:57Speaker 03

  I am.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  And you're, not only are you part Italian, but you're a musical theatre aficionado. So we've just had to move the camera back several feet.

• 1:05Speaker 03

  Well, prohibition, I kept going like, you must know Chicago the Musical. Cause that is set during the flappers and all that stuff.

• 1:12Speaker 04

  Yes, I've seen the trailer for it. I think I saw the poster.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  I've heard my wife talk about it, but I fell asleep.

• 1:17Speaker 04

  But I mean, prohibition was, it was locking America back up with Puritans and stuff. But then when it ended, I guess this allowed Italian musical theatre people to be.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26Speaker 04

  You got liberated, right?

• 1:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, seeing this stuff makes me feel really Italian. Cause I didn't deal with any Italian discrimination, but then you see this and you go, oh, it was.

• 1:34Speaker 04

  Oh, you're welcome to the right place.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. You'll find some here, don't worry.

• 1:37Speaker 03

  Good, good.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  Italian mother or father?

• 1:40Speaker 03

  Italian father.

• 1:41Speaker 04

  Lucky daddy.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  Lucky daddy.

• 1:43Speaker 03

  Great grandpa Luigi Soresi. Luigi Soresi came from Italy.

• 1:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. Whereabouts in Italy?

• 1:50Speaker 03

  Sicily.

• 1:50Speaker 04

  Sicily.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  Oh, damn.

• 1:51Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:52Speaker 02

  So what they would call Africa, they would call Africa.

• 1:54Speaker 03

  He was a manager for a boxer.

• 1:56Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:56Speaker 03

  And the only pictures I have of him are at like some paper plate dinner with Mussolini. There's a number of shots of him, the boxer Mussolini.

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  With Benito Alducci.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09Speaker 02

  And what would, what would you think Benito would think of?

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  Chicago the Musical?

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:14Speaker 03

  Or how he'd appreciate the breaking of the rules and he'd love it.

• 2:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:19Speaker 03

  He might change chorus.

• 2:20Speaker 04

  Mussolini the Musical.

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  I'm there. I'm there. We're working on it. Don't, don't say anything.

• 2:26Speaker 04

  Benito.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  Fuck Hamilton. Where's Alducci? So now in our last episode, Gianmarco, we dealt with the fact that the Volstead Act had just come in.

• 2:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:36Speaker 02

  And that women had been smashing up pubs.

• 2:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. With, with. Because they'd been smashed up, so they took it out on the pub.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  Yes, well, allegedly.

• 2:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Um, but yeah, women were smashing up pubs. And I suppose what we'd like, it'd be good to talk to you about is the fact that, you know, America, it seems is this kind of struggle between different European cultures. I have this theory that basically America's problems are because you have essentially 17th century English Puritans, still to this day, struggling against 19th century cosmopolitan Italians and Viennese people, such as yourself.

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  Yes.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  You know?

• 3:10Speaker 03

  Just dirty New Yorkers.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, you've got noble, you know, southern plantation owners.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:17Speaker 04

  Dealing with these sort of godless deviants.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  Exactly. The citizens of nowhere, these, you know, these, these straight men who claim to be straight. But I've seen, I've seen you topless. You have a rig that is not becoming of a straight man.

• 3:28Speaker 04

  What's going on there?

• 3:29Speaker 03

  Topless, like that's a big deal.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  It's a huge deal.

• 3:32Speaker 03

  You keep the button down.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 3:33Speaker 04

  At all times.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Deeply conservative podcast, Gianmarco.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  Look at, look at this, look at this absolute. This is, this is a man with a girlfriend.

• 3:41Speaker 03

  No, those are some shots after prohibition was, was the 20th amendment.

• 3:44Speaker 04

  Now, is that, you've got a great body, fair play, but are you using it for anything? Are you, is it?

• 3:50Speaker 03

  No, not at all. There's times I'm at the gym, I go, but for what purpose? I can't build, I'm not fighting.

• 3:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:55Speaker 03

  It's just for that picture. This is why prohibition was, was invented, because to stop that.

• 4:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:01Speaker 04

  There was all sorts of. We understand it now. We're talking a lot clearer.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all, I was on all sorts of ketamine and alcohol.

• 4:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:09Speaker 03

  All sorts of things.

• 4:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  So what we're interested in more is that the fact that kind of prohibition was a struggle between Puritans and Protestants. It had this anti-immigrant kind of story to it as well. In that obviously Italians and Jews and Greeks and Germans had brought all their alcohol from Europe.

• 4:24Speaker 03

  Loud.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  To America, very loud, kissing their mothers on the mouth.

• 4:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:28Speaker 03

  And fathers.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Well, you're Italian father kissing your father in the mouth.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  A lot of kisses.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Baba.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  But mother is, where's your mother from?

• 4:34Speaker 03

  Mother, it's Jewish, Italian, German Jewish.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  Italian Jewish.

• 4:38Speaker 04

  Double whammy.

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  My word.

• 4:40Speaker 04

  Jewish mother's the boss level of mothers, right?

• 4:42Speaker 03

  It is, but she, she kind of turned away from it.

• 4:45Speaker 04

  Right.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  You know, her parents told her, do you want a butts for a sweet 16? She picked a sweet 16. So she, she turned away, they got divorced.

• 4:52Speaker 04

  Right.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  So she, a little overbearing, but.

• 4:54Speaker 04

  Not the full, the full gamut.

• 4:56Speaker 03

  Not the full thing. She always, she always say, she said, I don't like Jewish guys. And I go, yeah, I know.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  So hang on, so you, you would have had an Italian grandmother though, presumably, and a Jewish mother.

• 5:04Speaker 03

  I honestly, I don't think my dad gives a shit about the maternal lineage at all.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  Is he obsessed with sauce? Is he one of those guys?

• 5:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, he always claimed to have a Soresi sauce. And looking back, it was just prepared at the grocery store sauce. He added some sugar and butter.

• 5:16Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  But I think my, my great grandma might be from Spain, but my dad doesn't talk about it. He raised me like I was a hundred percent Italian, like, and you know, I was Jewish.

• 5:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  But he acted like it was like an immaculate birth.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  We found some family photos here, actually.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, what do we got here?

• 5:30Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 5:31Speaker 03

  That's Luigi.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  Soresi family tree there.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  That's you in the background, top right, that's Gianmarco.

• 5:38Speaker 03

  We do.

• 5:40Speaker 04

  Do you guys get domi in America?

• 5:43Speaker 03

  Which one? Domi?

• 5:44Speaker 04

  Do you get these guys? This is, this is a pasta sauce brand in the UK.

• 5:48Speaker 03

  No, we do ragu.

• 5:49Speaker 04

  Right, okay, right.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  Um, so prohibition is in force, but, but pretty quickly people just start drinking underground. And it basically becomes the birth of the modern nightlife.

• 6:01Speaker 04

  Hmm. Yeah, definitely.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  Because suddenly.

• 6:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. Saloons kind of end as a.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  The male pub stops.

• 6:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  And now.

• 6:08Speaker 04

  Which is why you guys probably don't have a pub culture anymore.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  True.

• 6:11Speaker 04

  Cause you, you kind of have bars.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 6:13Speaker 04

  It's very distinctly different, but you used to have saloons were everywhere, which is basically a pub, a frontier pub. And that all went with prohibition.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Do you let women in yours now?

• 6:22Speaker 04

  Uh, yes, reluctantly. And I think that was only a couple of years ago. And I think Farage is trying to repeal that.

• 6:27Speaker 02

  I believe it was Starmer who let women into pubs.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  You know, you can see that, you know, they got rid of the, the dart boards. They put women's toilets in it.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  It's, uh.

• 6:38Speaker 03

  That's tough.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, no. We're living under a kind of anomaly, a blip currently.

• 6:42Speaker 03

  Yes. The women with the darts is probably dangerous.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  I know. Hand eye coordination is a risk. Um, no, listen, it's, it's been, it's been a fire sale of values.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  Any values.

• 6:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  The West has fallen.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  The West has fallen. Starmerstan, we're now in Bern, now in Dinanstan.

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  But of course this is, I mean, this is Americanistan, isn't it? This is a dry America.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Sharia America.

• 7:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  Where Americans were, I mean, it's, explain to me how a country that is as libertarian as America.

• 7:13Speaker 04

  Freedom.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  And freedom loving intervenes this heavily in people's lives for 10 years.

• 7:19Speaker 04

  Does it make sense to you, but living out that?

• 7:20Speaker 03

  The beauty of this, it didn't, it didn't work immediately.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  It really is, America's just too fucking big.

• 7:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:26Speaker 03

  It's just too big. So we had all these people who were not getting invited to the cool things.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:30Speaker 03

  Saying no more cool things. And then the people in New York were like, well, no, we're going to keep doing it. Now we're going to have women in there too.

• 7:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Well, that's what's hilarious is that women start entering pubs.

• 7:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  Right? And this, uh, this rule breaking is so mad that it spawns jazz.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  That suddenly women are in pubs.

• 7:49Speaker 04

  It's like the last day of Rome.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Beat up, beat up, what's going on? There are no rules anymore. Women are in bars.

• 7:53Speaker 04

  Well, it's the music doesn't have to follow any rules. Well, if women are allowed to be next to me drinking, then.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  I don't have to sound.

• 7:59Speaker 04

  Who gives a fuck about the fucking normal music?

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Exactly. Cause they're just hearing all these noises in the bar. They're like, what is this?

• 8:05Speaker 04

  I mean, there's, there's literally, who's the, who invented scatting? Louis Armstrong.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  Louis Armstrong.

• 8:09Speaker 03

  He invented scatting?

• 8:10Speaker 04

  Well, apparently there's a story that during one of the records, records were so expensive, one of the, the sheet music fell. And while he's picking it up, he's just like, ba la ba ba, ba la boo boo. Like he's just doing trumpet noises just to cover it over. Because at this point it is like, that's what the nightlife is. It's just making it up. The trumpet's been taken away.

• 8:28Speaker 03

  That's way too clean of a story. Some guy's like, boopity boo, oh my God, what was that?

• 8:31Speaker 04

  Hold up.

• 8:31Speaker 03

  It's a scat, scat.

• 8:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. My dad, my dad's a scat, is a scat singer. He can scat.

• 8:37Speaker 04

  Can he?

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:38Speaker 04

  He's a man of many talents, your father.

• 8:39Speaker 02

  He's an incredibly talented man. Yeah.

• 8:42Speaker 03

  Would he, he'd be performing his tours?

• 8:43Speaker 02

  He used to be in a, he used to be in a band.

• 8:45Speaker 03

  And then he would be the scat guy.

• 8:46Speaker 02

  Uh, no, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say he's the scat guy. Sorry?

• 8:49Speaker 04

  Would he have a discipline with his scatting?

• 8:51Speaker 02

  Eep up.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  Squip up and eep up.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  A stern scatting off.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have many stern scattings from my father. A very disciplinarian scat man.

• 9:01Speaker 04

  Because it's funny that, you know, Finn throws so much conservatism at you, but he actually, this is repressed because he grew up in a theatre home. His dad, his dad is a camp drama teacher.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:12Speaker 03

  Oh my God, your dad's a camp drama teacher?

• 9:14Speaker 04

  His dad is you.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  In many ways, yeah. Do you, do you actively listen to women in their 60s?

• 9:19Speaker 03

  I, I sometimes am forced to if they're in, in the cast of the show.

• 9:23Speaker 02

  Dad rebels in it.

• 9:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  Absolutely rebels in it.

• 9:25Speaker 03

  In their 60s.

• 9:26Speaker 04

  It's like, it's like the dog whisperer, it's like the woman whisperer.

• 9:29Speaker 03

  You're such a theatre kid though. I see the thing, you, you, you're learning German for your little live stage show. You're full of shit.

• 9:36Speaker 02

  I already knew German.

• 9:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. He wanted to read it in the original.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  Yes, to get the, really understand what he meant.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  I think lots of things have been lost in translation.

• 9:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  And the man's name is Mudd. And I'd like to see actually, actually, what was he saying? Turns out, no.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  He's doing your own research.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  Turns out the translation was pretty much correct. He, he meant it.

• 9:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  But as we found out in the last episode, he had lost a brother aged six. Did you know that Edmund Hitler?

• 10:01Speaker 04

  We find things about Adolf every episode.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  Adolf lost his brother Edmund when Adolf was, I mean, about nine or something like that.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  Someone killed the wrong baby Hitler.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  Look at this, look at this.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  Someone went back in time and killed Edmund.

• 10:12Speaker 03

  He really fucked up.

• 10:14Speaker 04

  Look at that.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  Oh, he's like, I don't worry guys, like that, there's no, there's still.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  It's the wrong Hitler.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  Oh jeez.

• 10:23Speaker 03

  How'd he die?

• 10:23Speaker 04

  Larry David.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  No, it is, it's a time travelling Jewish assassin gone back and, oh my God, I killed the wrong Hitler.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  Kirby enthusiasm in 2134.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  Now that's what the show should have been, Larry David's fucking show.

• 10:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:36Speaker 03

  Instead it was Obama kind of, hey, how you doing?

• 10:39Speaker 02

  Oh, his new sketch show, oh yeah, yeah.

• 10:40Speaker 03

  It just keeps killing all the different baby Hitlers constantly. Kills six million baby Hitlers.

• 10:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. Where is this guy?

• 10:49Speaker 04

  And then you realise he's Hitler and he's done the Holocaust. That, I mean, that's a film.

• 10:53Speaker 03

  That's a film.

• 10:54Speaker 04

  Come on.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  Charlie, write that down. Okay, a time travelling Jewish assassin goes back in time, kills Edmund Hitler, then he kills six million Jews. And it turns out he's Hitler.

• 11:03Speaker 03

  Wait, where the Jews, no, it's just six million baby Hitlers.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  No, he killed six million.

• 11:06Speaker 04

  Cause he doesn't know who Hitler is.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  So he's trying to find Hitler.

• 11:09Speaker 03

  Always trying to find Hitler.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Accidentally kills six million Jews babies.

• 11:12Speaker 04

  And then he looks in the mirror and he realises, oh fuck.

• 11:13Speaker 02

  Oh my God. What a schmuck I am. And that's it.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 12:06Speaker 02

  Anyway.

• 12:07Speaker 04

  That's genuinely great.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  Uh, that's generally a film I'd watch.

• 12:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  I'd make it. Uh, yeah. As you say, immediately it doesn't work. So, uh, prohibition basically turns a bunch of law-abiding citizens into criminals overnight.

• 12:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Much like Starman did with pornography.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 12:24Speaker 03

  What did he do with pornography?

• 12:25Speaker 04

  Porn ban.

• 12:26Speaker 03

  With the ID.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  We're currently living under a porn ban.

• 12:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you guys are using VPNs.

• 12:31Speaker 04

  Were you sponsored by them?

• 12:32Speaker 02

  Surfshark. Surfshark. Shout out Surfshark. Shout out the IDF.

• 12:36Speaker 04

  Those are two big sponsors.

• 12:38Speaker 02

  The Iron Dome of Surfshark.

• 12:39Speaker 04

  We have a, uh, we have a Kickstarter for the Iron Dome in the link below.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Repair it.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  You guys are not putting your license on those porn sites, are you?

• 12:47Speaker 04

  No.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  Charlie's got a, what's your email address?

• 12:49Speaker 05

  Uh, [email protected].

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  And then he revealed it on my Patreon.

• 12:53Speaker 04

  So he's got a porn email.

• 12:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then a lot of patrons started emailing him saying, stop watching porn, you dirty fucker. Which I think is a violation of trust, actually, with the audience. I don't think that's fair. Yeah. So rather than changing public, that's the point about prohibition is that it doesn't change public attitudes. It just bans it.

• 13:08Speaker 04

  Right.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  So it's not actually a constructive ban.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a loud minority, right, who are pushing for it?

• 13:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:15Speaker 04

  It's a boring minority.

• 13:16Speaker 03

  I feel like it's more than a minority, though. Like, I think, I think a lot of them, a lot of them were like, we need to change this. Something needs to change. Something needs to change. And it's like, well, how do you do that in a way that's not extreme? It's kind of like what they're doing with social media now. It's like, you know, they're trying to like limit all these social things. It's not going to work fully, but does it change the culture enough that maybe people do it a little less?

• 13:39Speaker 02

  It worked with child porn, I'll say that. Prohibition. It's worked.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  We're working on overturning that amendment, though.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  No, I'm just saying that that, you can't, you can't find it anywhere.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  You gotta use the VPN, I keep telling you.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Surfshark, IDF, shout out. Uh, they're not sponsoring. The two pillars of FinVest's history. Without one, the other one will fall. What's this, Charlie? This is an email you

• 14:02Speaker 05

  got? Enjoy the wank, Charlie.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  Wow. Look at that. All subject, no text.

• 14:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:07Speaker 02

  That's a bit humiliating, isn't it?

• 14:08Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  Love the fact that this is your wank handle. More power to your right elbow. Keep gooning, bro.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  Keep gooning, bro!

• 14:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. But I mean, I guess, so prohibition, though, I mean, we'll probably get on to the effects at the end, but it didn't work, but it did fundamentally change America's relationship to alcohol.

• 14:23Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, so everyone had alcohol. They already had it in storage. All the rich, all the famous politicians were doing it anyway.

• 14:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, and that's the president was getting pissed. So then the whole thing's out the window.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, it seems pretty easy to make.

• 14:33Speaker 04

  I mean, it's like, Keir Starmer's probably fucking jerking it hard.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. He's gooning.

• 14:37Speaker 04

  He's in a goon cave.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  Ten Gooning Street. Do you know what gooning is?

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry, okay.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  But am I a bad expert? I'm an American.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:47Speaker 03

  It's just, it's just for a lot, it's just doing it a lot. It's just.

• 14:50Speaker 04

  It's multiple screens. Let's get a nice control center up.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  It's about multiple screens? Screens or tabs?

• 14:55Speaker 02

  Screens.

• 14:56Speaker 03

  Okay, as long as it's a screen.

• 14:57Speaker 04

  Sorry, we're gonna defer to the expert. Go on, Charlie.

• 14:59Speaker 05

  You enter a kind of trance. It's almost like drugs. It's like you, you really lose yourself all night.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  The women are frowning.

• 15:05Speaker 04

  Women are gooning around. Put that on the screen, then. If you're gonna frown like

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Phoebe, can you stop gooning while you're working, please?

• 15:10Speaker 03

  If we have history things on all three screens, are we history gooning?

• 15:12Speaker 02

  We're history gooning.

• 15:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, definitely. Hundred percent.

• 15:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, like, it's a control center, yeah, multiple curved screens.

• 15:18Speaker 02

  Imagine a security guard's office, but it's in a brothel. That's gooning.

• 15:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you're jerking off the whole time.

• 15:24Speaker 05

  But you never come.

• 15:25Speaker 03

  But you'd never come. It's not a multiple session thing.

• 15:27Speaker 05

  It's a permanent edge. But so you enter a kind of drug flow state.

• 15:31Speaker 03

  And then at the end, though, like.

• 15:33Speaker 05

  I think, I don't even know if you come at the end.

• 15:34Speaker 04

  Who's this guy?

• 15:34Speaker 03

  You don't at the end?

• 15:35Speaker 05

  I don't think so.

• 15:36Speaker 04

  Who's the guy who's tied up?

• 15:37Speaker 05

  I think the whole point is you don't.

• 15:38Speaker 04

  Who's this guy?

• 15:39Speaker 03

  Wait, no, I don't, I think you come at the end. If you don't come at the end, that's, that's sick.

• 15:44Speaker 04

  The perfect goon set, yeah.

• 15:45Speaker 05

  That's Bill Gates, I think.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  That looks like the chair they have in service stations that you can sit on.

• 15:49Speaker 04

  And that does look like Bill Gates.

• 15:50Speaker 02

  Anyway.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  We need to do prohibition of gooning. I think that culture needs to change.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  So President Warren Harding, uh, publicly endorses prohibition while privately entertaining friends with hidden liquor supplies in the White House. You have a guy called George Cassidy who is providing alcohol to the Senate during prohibition.

• 16:08Speaker 04

  Right.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Apparently 80% of lawmakers were being supplied contraband liquor for 10 years. And so, but what's more interesting is that basically the unintended consequence of banning alcohol is to create this huge underground economy and a nightlife. Basically, it turns, because the saloon you'd go to, to hang out with your bros after you'd finished work, and now people go out to drink.

• 16:32Speaker 04

  It turned nightlife gay. It was a, nightlife was straight, which was, straight men would go to a place where only straight men was, would, could be. You'd drink beers in a saloon, then you'd hit your wife. That's as straight as a night out can be.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, and now the wife comes to the bar with you.

• 16:47Speaker 04

  Now she comes to you, you got people playing jazz.

• 16:49Speaker 02

  Drinking cocktails.

• 16:53Speaker 04

  You know, the saloon, it's a speakeasy.

• 16:55Speaker 02

  Squiddly, squiddly, screwed up.

• 16:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. So the unintended consequences, they'd literally turn it gay.

• 17:00Speaker 03

  And they went to Harlem. I was seeing in New York, like, going to Harlem. So there was, there was more like, people of different races, like, hanging out and getting drunk.

• 17:07Speaker 04

  The Harlem Show's, interestingly enough, at the beginning of the Harlem Show, certainly, it was black performers, but still only white audiences.

• 17:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:14Speaker 04

  But that was kind of the first time that there was a cultural mesh like that. So it was the beginning of that, I guess.

• 17:20Speaker 03

  Though I was reading that some of it was like, you'd get the, you'd have the black people, they would have black people, like, have the alcohol, and then if they got busted, it'd be like, well, it was them. Like, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't racial harmony right away. But it started, it started the beautiful place that we are at now.

• 17:35Speaker 04

  It's segregated clubs, but.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  No, it's the, it's the 20s in America.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Pre, this is pre-Obama. Obama obviously ended racism. Uh, that's a settled issue.

• 17:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  So it also, uh, the rise, you get the rise in organized crime.

• 17:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Because suddenly.

• 17:50Speaker 04

  It was very disorganized before.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  It was very disorganized.

• 17:52Speaker 04

  So they got a merry condo came in.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  It was individual, random individual men hitting their wives, which wasn't a crime at the time, actually.

• 17:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, let's, let's corporatize this.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  Organized domestic abuse. So you get kind of, now, we did this a bit in the mafia series, but basically the mafia had kind of been on its knees, and then prohibition comes in, and suddenly, suddenly everyone is now, like, brilliant, we can just, we can sell booze.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  What was it doing before? What was mafia involved in?

• 18:14Speaker 02

  Well, it originated in Sicily.

• 18:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  It's probably why your grandfather was, um, I'm sure. Although, no, actually, because Mussolini had smashed the mafia.

• 18:22Speaker 03

  Yes, well, that's why Luigi left and went to America.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 18:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, but it was Lucky Luciano who changed that all, because he was like a.

• 18:29Speaker 03

  Well, they were saying.

• 18:29Speaker 04

  He made it a business, basically. He was a great businessman, great organizer, really completely revolutionized.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  They basically passed it. It was a conservative government at the time, so even though they passed these rules, none of the government wanted to raise the money for police. So the police were being expected to enforce all prohibition, but no one was paying them any extra money, and that's why they became corrupt so fast.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  So they had these policemen going back to the, the, you know, with like fur coats or whatever, and they're like, you can't afford that on the salary we're giving you.

• 18:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:54Speaker 04

  Right.

• 18:55Speaker 03

  And that's just, it was both those things. It was like wanting them to enforce it, not paying, that led to this intense corruption.

• 19:02Speaker 04

  That was an unbelievable click, man. So now that is a theater-trained click.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  Fuck me.

• 19:07Speaker 04

  It's one of the loudest things I've ever.

• 19:08Speaker 02

  All the way. That's so loud.

• 19:10Speaker 04

  That was the loudest click I've ever heard in my life. That's extraordinary.

• 19:13Speaker 02

  That's the sound of my prostate snapping during the end of Napoleon series.

• 19:18Speaker 03

  I can't scat, but I can click. And we call them snaps, by the way.

• 19:20Speaker 04

  Sorry, that's a snap.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  I know you call them clicks, we call them snaps.

• 19:24Speaker 04

  That was a real snap.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  Oh, here we go. Is this Mussolini with any, where's Luigi in here?

• 19:29Speaker 03

  Luigi had a mustache? Is that?

• 19:30Speaker 04

  No way!

• 19:31Speaker 03

  I told you, I told you. Okay, so Luigi is.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  He's not the massive guy at the back, is he?

• 19:36Speaker 03

  I think, yeah, that's Luigi. That's Luigi.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Sorry, why is Andre the Giant behind him?

• 19:39Speaker 03

  That's the boxer that he, Primo, that's the boxer he managed. His name was Primo, Primo something.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  Awesome.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  Right, can you put a D'Amio text under that?

• 19:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  The new pastor's, D'Amio.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  It's D'Amio Day on FinVest's history.

• 19:53Speaker 04

  D'Amio Bolognese sauce.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  I gotta do the mustache.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  That's amazing. So he's your grandfather, you know, your great grandfather.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  He's my great grandfather. Yeah.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  Fucking how much pasta was that guy eating, Christ?

• 20:05Speaker 02

  Jamark, can I just shake your hand, please? Thank you very much. Wow. Well, we've got to get, um, no, it's rubbish. Crazy. That's insane.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  So we get into the kind of the actual illegal operations, rum running, bootlegging, moon shining.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  And you went over a bootleg, why it's called that?

• 20:29Speaker 02

  Sorry?

• 20:30Speaker 03

  Bootleg, why it's called that?

• 20:31Speaker 04

  Why?

• 20:31Speaker 03

  Cause they would, they had the, in their pant leg, that's where they would keep the alcohol.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  It all sounds like homophobic slurs to me.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  It does, yeah. Bloody bootleggers and rum runners.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Musical theatre, it's musical theatre slang, isn't it?

• 20:42Speaker 04

  Right, yeah.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  Got Jamark on the pod, he's a bloody moonshiner, you know him. Uh, yeah, they also wear like cow shoes.

• 20:48Speaker 04

  Right.

• 20:48Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 20:49Speaker 02

  So they'd wear like big hooves in their shoes.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:51Speaker 02

  Which I think kind of gives it away.

• 20:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, but they're not, they're not pretending to be a cow like a fake theatre horse.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  Not pantomime cow, no.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, you'd look at the footprints and be like, like a cow's doing a pas de ja, it's like cows don't move like this.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  Uh, a bootlegger could be anyone involved in the production. Uh, rum runners were people smuggling alcohol from abroad. So basically, I think most of the whiskey came from Canada.

• 21:12Speaker 03

  And some from, some from Europe or was it all Canada?

• 21:15Speaker 02

  No, a lot of whiskey was coming from Canada.

• 21:17Speaker 04

  And there's Caribbean?

• 21:17Speaker 03

  Whiskey came from Canada.

• 21:18Speaker 02

  And rum come from the Caribbean. And then, yeah, a lot of wines were coming from.

• 21:21Speaker 04

  You'd have, um, the cruises, right? You'd have the.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  Cruise to nowhere. They'd go three miles out.

• 21:26Speaker 04

  Three miles out into international waters, like you're torturing a terrorist.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  Suck each other off.

• 21:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, if you want.

• 21:31Speaker 02

  It's international waters, if you want.

• 21:34Speaker 04

  You don't want to see Finn in international waters. That's why he stays here. That's why he said he doesn't want to come to America.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  I know, I know. You're talking a lot of shit about America for this part.

• 21:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, because on, on the, in transit, he, uh, air host.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  There's no rules in transit. You can do, you can do what you want in a plane, you know? I'll order a gin and tonic.

• 21:48Speaker 04

  The pilot is getting knocked off.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  And the pilot, the pilot's got his dick in my mouth.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  He's terrified of that, so he has to stay.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  Absolutely terrified.

• 21:55Speaker 04

  He has to stay within London or the home counties, basically.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  So, uh, now let's get into how basically prohibition, uh, explodes the speakeasy. Now, do you know, you live in New York, you're from New York?

• 22:07Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. From New York, we have lots of fake speakeasies now. They're annoying as fuck.

• 22:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, they still, we have them over here, right?

• 22:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:13Speaker 04

  Drink out of jam jars.

• 22:14Speaker 02

  The most fucking insufferable people go to them.

• 22:18Speaker 02

  You know, like it's sort of, um, one of the things I detest most in the world is.

• 22:23Speaker 04

  Quite a lot, it's a long list.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  It is, but it's, uh, and I apologize if this is something you hold dear, but it's interactive theatre experiences. Uh, I can't stand them. I, if I was going to shoot anything up, that would be probably in my top two things.

• 22:36Speaker 04

  So if you decided you were going to kill yourself, you'd take one of those down?

• 22:39Speaker 02

  I take, I take an interactive theatre experience with me.

• 22:41Speaker 03

  Is it an angle because you feel like you should be in the cast, not the audience interacting?

• 22:46Speaker 02

  No, this shouldn't exist. You're all annoying. You're all too shit at acting to even work at the London dungeons.

• 22:51Speaker 04

  And he's saying this with an AR-15, by the way.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 03

  Like what, what did you go to? What was the thing you did?

• 22:59Speaker 02

  A lot, like a production, but you had to walk through a house. You're standing up for fucking two hours and the acting shit. And then they're giving you shit booze in like, yeah, like in jam jars. You have to dress up to go.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  You have to dress up to go. I did an interactive Phantom of the Opera and at one point.

• 23:14Speaker 04

  Were you performing or?

• 23:15Speaker 03

  No, I was in it. Uh, no, no, I was, I went. I was not, I would, I would not do interactive theatre. My God, I'm doing better than that. But at one point, there's an escalator and the phantom had to walk by me. And for the Phantom of the Opera mid-show to be like, excuse me, that kind of ruins the illusion.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:32Speaker 03

  Of the evil phantom willing to kill.

• 23:33Speaker 02

  But I never, I go in there with no illusion. I go in there with going, this is fucking shit.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, you gotta suspend the disbelief.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  That's the illusion I have is I'm going, this would be great if I could just mow you all down. Oh, God.

• 23:48Speaker 03

  500 killed at interactive Phantom of the Opera. No investigation proceeding.

• 23:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. God, no.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  So what, the London dungeon, what were your ideal one to shoot up? Is it, would it be a horror movie?

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Here's why the interactive doesn't work is because it's like, it's, it's soft. Like if the alcohol, it's like it's weak. If, if there's any interaction, they like kind of pat your shoulder. If they really did it, if you walked in and like they really, the flapper.

• 24:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, for Finn to like it, it needs to be about your interests, right? Interactive, uh, I don't know, Battle of the Bottle, like something, it'd be Interactive Battle of Waterloo.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  The Bowl, interactive.

• 24:24Speaker 03

  If the hatchet lady came in.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Drinking fucking petrol.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  Oh, God, God. If that hatchet lady came in and shattered your glasses.

• 24:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  That would be fun. There's blood, someone gets arrested.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  I tell you what, an interactive.

• 24:38Speaker 03

  You could hit them.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  An interactive school shooting, where you've got to take cover.

• 24:41Speaker 04

  That would be incredible.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  That would be awesome.

• 24:43Speaker 04

  That genuinely would be incredible.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  Because we don't have the same jeopardy you do.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  We call them school shooter drills.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Sorry, it's called, it's called Sandy Hook, if we're being honest.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  Come on, boys.

• 24:55Speaker 04

  Come on.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  Come on, boys.

• 24:57Speaker 04

  And people say there's no roles for actors anymore.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  There's, what are you talking about? Guys, that's a huge operation. What a production that was.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  This is probably doing comedy shows overseas. Like there's this looseness.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  Anyway, but yes, uh, speakeasies are now, I'd say, uh, a cancer in dating life. They are for people with no ideas. Uh, what shall I do tonight? Oh, let's go to a thing where.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  It's Time Out, uh, Best Things to Do, right?

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly. Oh, we're having some cocktails in a tree. Brilliant.

• 25:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  Why can't we just go to a pub and talk? Because you're boring. That's what interactive theatre exists for, is boring people.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  It doesn't do the full thing. Again, I think if you went to speakeasies and occasionally the cops could come in and arrest you.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Hmm, right.

• 25:41Speaker 03

  Then I go, oh, cool. We're kind of back in time.

• 25:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:44Speaker 03

  It's not going far enough.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  Or what you do is you make it illegal to do interactive theatre, so they have to go underground like it. And then you could be the police.

• 25:51Speaker 03

  Or have a this, speakeasies, speakeasies, but you gotta use possibly the government poisoned alcohol.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  Right.

• 25:57Speaker 03

  So there is a chance you die at the speakeasy.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  Talk about this, because this is, we need to talk about this. This is, so at some point, they realise the government that everyone is still drinking.

• 26:05Speaker 03

  They're still drinking and they can take like industrial alcohol and put it under some treatment and then you have more new alcohol.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  So they are, people are making gin in their bathtub, bathtub gin, because it's not illegal to make it and sell it. You can make it in your house.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  You can't sell it.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  You can't sell it.

• 26:21Speaker 03

  But you can, you can make it.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  You can make it if it's not for industrial purposes or you can't even make it, but you, no one's stopping you.

• 26:28Speaker 03

  No one's checking your bathtub. They've got the force.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  So they're making bathtub gin. It's called moon shining because people would make it under the cover of the moonlight, uh, in night. So what bootleggers would do is they would start, yes, they'd steal industrial alcohol, which was still allowed to be produced for pharmaceutical purposes and maybe for cleaning products.

• 26:44Speaker 04

  Mouthwash and that.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  Mouthwash and stuff. And then they would denature it, which means I guess take some of the shit out of it.

• 26:50Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  No, take, take some of the good stuff out of it, basically make it poison and then they would allow, they'd allow people to sell it.

• 26:58Speaker 03

  Chemicals too.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  So the government is like, okay, so if we're going to do this, we're going to add a little poison, scare people from doing it. And they ended up just killing, I think, 10,000 people.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, but then for 10,000 people die because they're drinking alcohol that had been poisoned by the government.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  So that I think is the speakeasy experience that we need to recreate.

• 27:17Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Every once in a while, there's a tragedy at the modern day speakeasy.

• 27:22Speaker 04

  This is the problem because, because America's so paranoid, but you understand why they're paranoid. Because a piss guy now, drinking their thing, saying I've been poisoned by the government, does sound like a crap, but that literally has happened.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  That's why I didn't get the vaccine. I said, I said, look what they do sometimes. They're going to put it in a couple of vaccines. I'm not trusting it. They did do the stuff that deserves the skepticism. That's the point.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Well, the point is, yeah, America has always done stuff at some point that deserves, like the conspiracy theorist is right every, once every 10 times in America.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  Here, they're less.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  You know, there was some guy who was like, I'm not drinking. And it was like, stop it.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  It's fine. The government's not poisoning. And then the government never like takes a beat to be like, hey, we did that.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  We're going to hang the guy who did it publicly to make you all know it's bad.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  Our guy's David Icke, that's our guy.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Yep, friend of the pod, David Icke.

• 28:08Speaker 04

  We've got to get Icke on.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  What did he do?

• 28:10Speaker 04

  He's the big conspiracy theorist. To be honest, I believe.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  One of the great Holocaust deniers of his, of his time.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  Also, he might be the, the genesis of lizard people.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Yes, he is. Yeah, really.

• 28:19Speaker 04

  As far as, because he's one of the great pillars of modern conspiracy theories, that the, the kind of the queen and like.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  He's kind of a transcendental antisemitism.

• 28:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  Where it's like, you're not even offended by it because you're like, where's this guy? Where is this?

• 28:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  This like plane, this Iowaska antisemitism.

• 28:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. And does he like, does he believe it? Or is he now like in on?

• 28:41Speaker 04

  I've been saying, David Icke goalkeeper, so he was a professional goalkeeper.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  For Everton, I believe, in Exeter City, maybe?

• 28:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  So he's.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  Professional footballer.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  Professional, it's Wikipedia article says David Icke is a professional footballer turned Holocaust denier, which is one of the great sentences.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  There's an amazing Frankie Boyle story that David Icke came to one of his shows.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  And there's all these people queuing up afterwards to speak to me. He's just speaking to the audience. And one guy's just taking ages, being so effusive about how much he loves Frankie Boyle. And David Icke's pointing him going like.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  All right, man.

• 29:10Speaker 04

  Which is, I'd love, wouldn't that be amazing to see David Icke go like.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Shut up. Fucking hell.

• 29:15Speaker 04

  Fucking hell, who's this fucking weirdo? Anyway, the queen is a lizard.

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• 30:20Speaker 02

  What is it, Charlie?

• 30:20Speaker 05

  It's not true that if you believe all conspiracy theories like he does, that none of it really means any, like, how can you be a professional conspiracy theorist who believes all conspiracy theories?

• 30:30Speaker 02

  Well, if you believe one, it's quite, if you believe, if you believe that people can be that organised and cunning.

• 30:35Speaker 04

  If you believe, don't believe anything, then it's, you know.

• 30:37Speaker 05

  But like surely each one, if you believe all of them, then you don't really believe any of them?

• 30:41Speaker 04

  I don't think, yeah, I don't know.

• 30:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree. You're like, if you believe in every, every religion's true. It's like, well, that, that doesn't work.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  I don't think you need to deconstruct David Icke's beliefs like that. I don't think you're really owning him.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  Let's get into what David Icke's.

• 30:52Speaker 04

  I don't, yeah. Well done, Charlie. You've proved David Icke wrong.

• 30:58Speaker 04

  Destroyed with truth and logic.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  I destroyed. So, yes, anyway, the speakeasy, they think this basically, this becomes the roaring twenties.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, you forget, you forget that the twenties is prohibition. I get confused.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  That's what's kind of mental about it is that modern nightlife is invented by the fact alcohol is banned.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  And so by the end of prohibition, a hundred thousand speakeasies exist.

• 31:19Speaker 04

  It's the amount of gay sex orgies that happened in the Vatican.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:21Speaker 04

  If you're not allowed to do it.

• 31:22Speaker 03

  But it is the bringing of women in because they're dancing now.

• 31:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  The guys, they were dancing, you know, like arm in arm, but now you bring in the women, different races. And now you've got a whole new arts boom and then you've got Chicago the musical.

• 31:34Speaker 04

  Because the truth is, so gays are always at the forefront of nightlife, gays and women. It's similar to how porn drives technology, right?

• 31:41Speaker 02

  Gays drive, gays drive nightlife.

• 31:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, definitely. Any innovation in nightlife, it starts in, it just.

• 31:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like porn, mixing up the races and everything else.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  Our female researcher just went, yeah, it's a shame.

• 31:54Speaker 03

  And so now all these other women who are going, if you have whiskey on your lips, they don't kiss mine. And then you're like, well, these gals, you just not just kiss them. And they're going, they're going wild.

• 32:02Speaker 04

  Buck wild.

• 32:03Speaker 03

  Buck wild.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  So is this, would you say?

• 32:05Speaker 03

  This is the start of Girls Gone Wild.

• 32:06Speaker 04

  It really is. I mean, that's lifting your leg up. That's basically lifting your t-shirt up. That's a wet t-shirt competition.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Yes, it is. It's con leg. I mean, are we saying that kind of, you know, is there glory hole stuff going on? How dirty these clubs.

• 32:17Speaker 04

  How glorious are these holes?

• 32:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Cause this, cause speakeasies would be like, they'd be hidden, right? So you'd have like a fake book or something. Got it. So.

• 32:24Speaker 04

  So, yeah, it's, it's the least imaginative retro night building. It's the twenties.

• 32:30Speaker 03

  Everyone becomes cool. Everyone becomes cool. You go to the secret club. There's a million of them, but everyone's like, I'm a bootlegger.

• 32:37Speaker 04

  First page of Pornhub, it's the, it's like, if you think that's cool, it's like the first cool thing.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  I don't think people think that first page of Pornhub is cool. First page of Pornhub is cool.

• 32:46Speaker 04

  No, no. I mean, it's like.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  I'm a first page Pornhub guy. All right.

• 32:50Speaker 04

  No, I mean, it's.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  I like, I like Pornhub's early stuff. I go all the way back.

• 32:53Speaker 04

  It's the lack of imagination.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  No, but you'd be cool.

• 32:55Speaker 04

  My point is, is like being someone who's like, oh, that's brilliant. Yeah.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Lack of imagination.

• 33:00Speaker 03

  If you, if, when, when you're like, when I was a teenager and you're like the first to discover porn, you are cool in that small circle.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  You're like, hey, I turned Google Safe Search off.

• 33:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Christopher Columbus, another, another great Italian.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  So someone's backing off to the first page of Pornhub and you're like, fuck, I need to have some imagination.

• 33:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. My, my point is.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  Curiosity. Click, click a bit through.

• 33:19Speaker 04

  There's a level of like, it's NPC, right? It means that you, you have, you have no edges to your personality, right?

• 33:25Speaker 02

  This is why I hate speakeasies.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Is that it's, it's boring.

• 33:29Speaker 04

  Oh, that'll do. Bang.

• 33:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 33:30Speaker 04

  What's the first cool thing? Right.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  I work in marketing for Tesco's. I.

• 33:35Speaker 04

  I drink out of jam jars on the weekend.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, because that's fun.

• 33:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:38Speaker 03

  I feel bad for these, these, they're just trying to have an interesting time.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they're not interesting people.

• 33:43Speaker 03

  But that's why they need it. You're an interesting person. So maybe we have some sympathy for the people who aren't interesting.

• 33:48Speaker 04

  No.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  No, absolutely not.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  Pull the ladder, become more interesting. That'd be my.

• 33:54Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  Pull yourself up.

• 33:55Speaker 04

  Don't go down to their level. They should come up to yours.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Pull the ladder up and watch them try and.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  What theatre do you like? Have you ever seen a thing that you like?

• 34:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, what's, um, you're waiting for Heat, the, the play.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  Heat, the play I'd watch. Yeah. There's a line in Peep Show where they're watching a play and they think we could be watching Heat. And I, I kind of, every play I watch now, I think I could be watching Heat and it's better than this.

• 34:16Speaker 03

  There's some good historical musicals. Seventeen seventy six is a musical you could check out.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  Watch a Chicago movie after this. The movie of Chicago is very good.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  I tell you what, Cabaret's good. Cabaret's good because the Nazis come in at the end.

• 34:30Speaker 04

  Right. So you liked the last bit.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Well, it's like, it's like, do you know what I like about Cabaret?

• 34:33Speaker 04

  What was the last time you enjoyed a play?

• 34:34Speaker 03

  I, I saw a cabaret in, in London.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:38Speaker 03

  When I was in high school.

• 34:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:39Speaker 03

  Very bad production. And at the end, you know, he's going, welcome. And he takes off his, you know, outfit and he's wearing pajamas.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Yes, I saw that one.

• 34:48Speaker 03

  And it was, it was, it was such a bad production, people started giggling at the end. And they were giggling at this big pajama.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  Reveal.

• 34:56Speaker 03

  You know, concentration camp metaphor. You saw, you, did you see the guy? If this same production, you will remember this.

• 35:01Speaker 04

  That's the bit he likes. He only liked it.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  If this is the same guy who's in the thin blue line, the camp guy, what's his name?

• 35:06Speaker 03

  Did a naked sailor come out in the middle?

• 35:08Speaker 02

  Did it what?

• 35:09Speaker 03

  There was like a sailor with a sex where he comes like, so I can go like this.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  I don't remember that bit, but I didn't study musical theatre. So I'm, I'm, you know.

• 35:16Speaker 04

  You don't have a trained ear for the cock slapping on the thigh.

• 35:19Speaker 03

  If, if you don't remember that stuff, I think it could not have been the same.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  I'm not clicking like you are. Exactly. My dick's more. Is it connecting at all?

• 35:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, it doesn't have that sharp.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  No, sharp edge.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  Uh, but what would you recommend musical? I like Company. Company's.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  Company's great. I represent, you know, Sondheim too, guys. And a little off the beaten.

• 35:41Speaker 04

  If you, if you're trying to go, what would you recommend as, I, I, I like some musical theatre, but it's not for me. I'm a tourist.

• 35:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, like Sweeney Todd is a good one. Sweeney Todd historical.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Outlanded.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  And not the movie. Don't watch the movie though. Go see it live.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Listen, my dad.

• 35:55Speaker 04

  Oh, here we go. This is, this is a good, this is the best.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  Dear England.

• 35:58Speaker 04

  This is a good play. So this is, um, this is a play. You wouldn't know this.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  How'd you explain this to an American?

• 36:04Speaker 04

  England's, uh, twenty eighteen World Cup run where we made it to the semifinals.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  Sorry, that, I will just say that is probably the last play I saw.

• 36:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. So this is, they, they made a play basically for people who hate plays.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 36:17Speaker 04

  And it's kind of insane. They just had like, basically they were talking about footballers who are playing now. So there's people on the national who are playing, people like Harry Kane, you know? And Harry Kane should not be represented on theatre yet, if ever, but yet, you know?

• 36:33Speaker 03

  Dreadful idea.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  It's this, you know, it's the same stage that they would play Macbeth or do the Greek tragedies.

• 36:38Speaker 03

  Like dance numbers with soccer balls?

• 36:40Speaker 02

  No, they had sort of like physical theatre sequences instead of just like scoring goals where they'd like that, you know?

• 36:45Speaker 03

  Terrible idea.

• 36:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, no. Anyway, yeah. So, uh, the speakeasy, but your women are allowed in cocktails. They had been around before, but they're basically popularized because they disguise the tastable, the homemade bathtub.

• 36:57Speaker 03

  All the poison that the government has put into.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, man. And then there's Lucky Luciano, who we dealt with in the mafia series, but we should also.

• 37:07Speaker 04

  He's the big dog of mafia.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  We should talk about Al Capone, right? Because this is the kind of, ultimately that will lead to its undoing, you'd say.

• 37:14Speaker 04

  He's the most famous gangster of all time, Al Capone?

• 37:16Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  Famous and also like publicly embraces it. Like he's like doing interviews, like he'd be doing the podcast circuit now.

• 37:22Speaker 04

  Definitely.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:23Speaker 04

  Definitely. Retired gangster. Tells you how he really is.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  So he runs, uh, is it Chicago he runs?

• 37:29Speaker 04

  Chicago.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. He does propaganda. He runs the underground scene. And Luciano does New York. Is that right? Luciano makes Murder Inc. He makes basically like an actual business.

• 37:39Speaker 04

  Well, is that, is that new to Company?

• 37:40Speaker 02

  Yes, Murder Inc. On Company's house, it'll say Murder Inc.

• 37:43Speaker 04

  Okay, right.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  Murder LLC was taken.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, yeah, but Capone ultimately, does he orchestrate the St. Valentine's Day massacre in twenty nine? I think he does.

• 37:54Speaker 03

  I think he does.

• 37:55Speaker 04

  What is the massacre?

• 37:55Speaker 02

  There's a rival gang, uh, who, in Chicago, and they get called by their, maybe their boss to like a garage.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. They're like, we got alcohol here.

• 38:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then the police.

• 38:07Speaker 04

  They get peshed?

• 38:08Speaker 02

  No, the police turn up.

• 38:10Speaker 04

  Right.

• 38:10Speaker 02

  Uh, and they search them and they then, uh, they line against the wall and frisk them. And then it turns out the police aren't police, they're members of Capone's gang. And then two guys turn up with Tommy guns and they all.

• 38:22Speaker 04

  So this Bugsy Malone is playing off this sort of stuff, right?

• 38:25Speaker 02

  Yes, totally.

• 38:25Speaker 04

  The Tommy gun massacres, right?

• 38:27Speaker 02

  And they empty the Tommy guns into these guys. And this is the, this is on Valentine's Day as well. Yeah.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  What a shame.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  It is, yeah. And the only survivor is the dog who'd been waiting in the car.

• 38:39Speaker 03

  And you know, you know, those guys with the Tommy guns, they had, they had women back home being like, are you serious? You're working?

• 38:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, come on. This is the, towards the end of the prohibition, when it's kind of made apparent to the public that this has caused more problems than it's solved.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  Because there's, you know, Italians being massacred in garages. Let's talk more about the mob, mob violence.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  What about the guy? What about the, the one guy who killed his wife? What's his name?

• 39:04Speaker 04

  The one guy?

• 39:05Speaker 02

  Oh, George Remus. What about him?

• 39:06Speaker 03

  George Remus.

• 39:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:08Speaker 02

  So he, yeah, so he's one of the most successful bootleggers of all time. Is that right?

• 39:11Speaker 03

  He was a lawyer. He was a lawyer first and he, he just like, he represented, I think he represented mafia people. And he just realizes how much money could be made. He gets sent to jail.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  Oh, he purchased whole distilleries. Right.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  He obtains government licence to make.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  It's just crazy. They're, they're doing it all so publicly, it really doesn't make sense. I mean, this is how bad the system was, that they're on full factories. It's not really, it's not even.

• 39:35Speaker 04

  Didn't help at all? Was that, was women getting less hit at all? I mean, I guess they're out. Are women hitting men now? Like what's going on?

• 39:41Speaker 03

  The women are about to get the revenge on this guy. And this, this is where, this is where they realize something's wrong.

• 39:46Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 39:46Speaker 03

  Something's wrong. So he goes to jail, uh, and he's being treated like a, a king in jail because he, he knows them all. Everyone knows him. But his wife starts an affair.

• 39:56Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  With, I think, one of the agents who busted him.

• 39:59Speaker 04

  No, another lawyer, right?

• 40:00Speaker 02

  Franklin Dodge.

• 40:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's another lawyer.

• 40:03Speaker 03

  Franklin Dodge. But is it the lawyer who helped him or who helped put him behind bars?

• 40:06Speaker 04

  He helped him.

• 40:07Speaker 03

  Helped him. Okay.

• 40:08Speaker 04

  His financial lawyer.

• 40:09Speaker 03

  So he thinks he's got all this money back home and she meanwhile is going to get a divorce and leave with this guy. And so when he gets out.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Cuckolded by your financial advisor.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  I can't imagine that happening to me.

• 40:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, what's, how old's your financial advisor, do you think?

• 40:22Speaker 02

  He's in his late fifties and he's probably the most conservative man that's ever lived.

• 40:26Speaker 04

  What's he wearing?

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Uh, he answers Zoom calls like this. Glasses on here, end of the nose, head at a right angle.

• 40:33Speaker 03

  And can you see your wife behind him or?

• 40:36Speaker 02

  Wife's just down there bobbing up and down and he.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:43Speaker 04

  He's getting the neck of his life.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  So he gets out of jail.

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  Goes back home to, you know, his, his mansion and it's empty. She's taken everything. And so they're gonna, they're gonna get a divorce. He goes to the final divorce proceeding. He's driving. He sees his wife's car. He says, you know, get him to the side of the road. He shoots her, kills her. And then when he goes to court, he defends himself because he's a lawyer.

• 41:07Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  And he's, he's one of his co-counsels. He's crying in the courtroom and he, they let him off.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  Sorry, is this the same day?

• 41:15Speaker 03

  No, it's, it's after a while.

• 41:16Speaker 02

  All right, sorry.

• 41:17Speaker 03

  After a while, but, but he, he kills his wife and they, he's declared innocent. They say he's had a really tough time. He's laid out his case.

• 41:24Speaker 04

  It's early men's mental health, I guess.

• 41:26Speaker 02

  Well, it's OJ, I guess. It's an early OJ.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  He was insanity. He pled insanity.

• 41:28Speaker 04

  A man framed for killing his wife.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 41:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:31Speaker 02

  A, a, a man.

• 41:32Speaker 04

  An innocent man.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  An innocent man, uh, rightly cleared.

• 41:35Speaker 03

  It's crazy to plead insanity and you're your own lawyer though.

• 41:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  Cause you're like, well, you're good enough to prosecute this case.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  Your honour, this man is insane. Yeah.

• 41:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  The jury deliberated for 19 minutes before finding him not guilty by reason of temporary insanity.

• 41:53Speaker 04

  Now, what are you trying to do?

• 41:53Speaker 03

  Beautiful. You're like, hey, you don't need to be locked up. You were a little crazy once.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  Can we get the stats up, please? Domestic violence in prohibition, did it do anything?

• 42:02Speaker 04

  Let's dig under the data.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:04Speaker 04

  I think there was definitely a downward trend in it, I think.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  Maybe, but they're all drunk, so no one remembers it.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  No, but they were drunk before, yeah.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  Because also you have this, you have this conflict between the women, who, the flappers and the moralists.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  Right.

• 42:16Speaker 02

  So flappers are, they, are they goers, would you say?

• 42:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They go-go girls.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  So they go-go girls, they're, they're showing the shin, they're, you know, they're flirting, they're dancing. And then you have moralists who are like people, women like Carrie Nation.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. Wearing white burkas, basically.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Wearing a white burka, smashing up a pub with an axe.

• 42:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  And so this is also, now, I've never got into the Great Gatsby because I find it too whimsical and it triggers.

• 42:40Speaker 04

  It's good, it's good.

• 42:41Speaker 02

  It triggers my speakies, hatred of speakies in interactive theatre.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  Uh, Great Gatsby themed, I don't like that.

• 42:47Speaker 03

  There's two Great Gatsby musicals too, so avoid that.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  No, I like the 30s.

• 42:51Speaker 04

  Where in the third, where in the world?

• 42:53Speaker 02

  Well, just, I just.

• 42:53Speaker 04

  Brazil?

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Brazil. I like, I like the 30s as a vibe, historically.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Where, China?

• 42:58Speaker 02

  You know, Central Europe.

• 42:59Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  There's more going on.

• 43:02Speaker 04

  Right.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  You know, it's a, it's a less whimsical time.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  Right.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  You know, I get annoyed by whimsy.

• 43:06Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  It's my point. And the 20s is quite whimsical age.

• 43:09Speaker 04

  Yes, and there's a real slapback.

• 43:12Speaker 03

  You think back then, would you have been, would you have been a teetotaler?

• 43:15Speaker 02

  Uh, probably, yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 04

  You'd have been a moralizer.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  I would have been a moralizer. I would have been drinking moralizer.

• 43:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, he would be someone who has his own drink. He's like the president drinking his own drink, but.

• 43:23Speaker 02

  Put that fucking drink down.

• 43:24Speaker 04

  What are you, what are you doing in there?

• 43:25Speaker 02

  What are you doing there? That's disgusting. No, keep doing it, keep doing it. I wanna watch.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  What about you? I could see a part of me, I could see a different time being, being like, don't drink. This is a bad thing. Cause I was like that in middle school.

• 43:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know. I think, I think I'd be getting after it. I, I, I think so.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  The thing, the thing about this though is that once, when everyone realizes it's not enforced, cause again, it's not a moral victory. It's just the law. Whereas something like slavery, it's a, it's a, it's a moral victory and then it's the law. They win the moral argument and they win, and they win a war.

• 43:56Speaker 04

  They didn't lay the groundwork for this.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  No, not at all. It was, as you say, it was like a loud minority.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  But people who were gonna drink were still gonna drink. But with slavery, it was like, they won the argument, they then defeated them on the battlefield. And that, do you know what I mean?

• 44:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they should have taken this to a war, cause then the dry would have won.

• 44:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:14Speaker 03

  Wet would have been drunk as fuck.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  They got women on the battlefield.

• 44:18Speaker 02

  It would be a disaster.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  Go on, Charlie.

• 44:20Speaker 05

  Is it harder to stop then, just cause there's very little to do anyway? There's no like telly.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's radio, I get the wireless.

• 44:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, but like, I mean, with, with less to do, it must just be that all you can do is drink.

• 44:30Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah, what, what were you doing if you were dry? Cause I mean, if you.

• 44:34Speaker 03

  Praying.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  It's only God bothering, right?

• 44:35Speaker 02

  Going to bed.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  Reading, knitting.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  The perfect Boston night in.

• 44:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  But that's the whole thing.

• 44:41Speaker 04

  Should go to bed 4pm, brilliant.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  It's the same in America now. It's like, no, they're farming, they're keeping everyone fed and they're helping the economy run, so they got shit to do.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  It's now Huberman. That is coming back. There's a whole temperance movement.

• 44:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, all he talks about is going to bed.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  It's framed as masculine, masculine optimization, but it is temperance, isn't it?

• 44:57Speaker 04

  He's like, perfect night, go to bed.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 44:58Speaker 04

  This is the thing.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Eight hours sleep, gym jams, done, you know?

• 45:01Speaker 04

  Night, night.

• 45:02Speaker 03

  Alcohol's way down.

• 45:03Speaker 02

  Gen Z, they're pro, they're prohibiting, prohibiting themselves.

• 45:06Speaker 03

  It's sad.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  It is, well, yeah, it is.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  Well, I think the American.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  Dive a CEO.

• 45:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Your guys' relationship to alcohol is so, I mean, we, in high school, people got in trouble all the time. Cops would bust parties. Which is why when I see the prohibition, I'm very much like, I'm like, it makes me feel.

• 45:22Speaker 04

  What?

• 45:22Speaker 03

  Like American.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  Cause I'm like, I'm like, yeah, you can't, you can't tell us what to do. Cause that's what they did in, in high school. The cops would, I got busted in school for drinking. And it, it fucked up a huge part of my life.

• 45:32Speaker 04

  How so?

• 45:33Speaker 03

  So after the theatre shows, the final night, you'd take down the whole set. You'd call a strike.

• 45:38Speaker 02

  I remember, I remember the secondary school theatre parties, my god.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, you drink, you do drugs. It was, I was in Washington DC, it was a liberal school. And then someone pulled the fire alarm. So our whole production got busted. They suspended a bunch of students. I had to write every college saying I got drunk on campus, but I wasn't a bad kid.

• 45:57Speaker 04

  Well, like, it was like a sex offenders register.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  You had to go around knocking on doors saying.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Cause you had more than five pints once.

• 46:02Speaker 04

  That's ridiculous.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:03Speaker 03

  It was, it was insane, but that's how, like, like this prohibition, this extends to still in Maryland, this weird culture.

• 46:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  When they say that it was a success, it did change the culture in that if you do underage drinking in certain parts of America, you'd get in huge trouble.

• 46:19Speaker 04

  I mean, drinking age being 21 seems pretty barbaric here.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 04

  It seems like a deep infringement of liberties, but which is, that seems like a nightmare.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  And yet guns.

• 46:27Speaker 03

  21 is so old, yeah. 21, so, and in the country that used to give beers to eight-year-olds, it's like insane.

• 46:33Speaker 04

  16-year-old, you can get a gun. 21, you can't have a beer.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  Well, I guess if you've got a gun, you should, you probably shouldn't have a beer for five years. That makes some sense.

• 46:40Speaker 04

  So they, they're stopping kids drinking, cause it's like, well, they need to be able to aim properly.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  To be fair, they've got automatic weapons, so let's not give them alcohol.

• 46:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  It should be either or 16, you can get a gun or you can drink.

• 46:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:50Speaker 03

  Cause then I bet you they'll pick drinking and they'll put the guns away.

• 46:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. So that, that's the legacy though, is cause.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  Or if they're so drunk, they'll start missing at all these school shootings and it'll be fine.

• 46:59Speaker 04

  So the age of 21 is a prohibition legacy, do you think? That's sort of like a.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  For sure. But also the cultural legacy. Can you just play Jan Marko? Are you aware of Sandro?

• 47:08Speaker 03

  No.

• 47:08Speaker 02

  Can we play Jan Marko?

• 47:09Speaker 04

  Go Mallorca Day Two, or is it?

• 47:13Speaker 02

  Horatio's completist. I think, I think Mallorca Day Two is probably the best.

• 47:16Speaker 05

  Malaga Day Two.

• 47:16Speaker 04

  Malaga Day Two, that's probably my favorite.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  So, just before you play this, Jan Marko, there is a huge cultural difference. There's a huge cultural difference in what you consider, what Americans consider alcoholic and what Britons consider cultural drinking.

• 47:27Speaker 04

  So you've never seen this guy before?

• 47:28Speaker 02

  I would, I think this is a great moment of cultural conversation between our two nations.

• 47:33Speaker 04

  Cause I think, first off, I, cause I, I've also drank, I'm friends with a lot more Americans now because of comedy and I've drunk with them and it is interesting. They, they, a drink can take you a whole dinner. You like have one cocktail, they sip at it. It's like, it's insane. When, I've gone on holidays with Americans recently, it's like, if you're a Brit abroad, as soon as you're abroad, it's going from one pint to another.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Before you get on the plane, you've had three pints.

• 47:55Speaker 04

  The whole thing is set up and they just don't think like that. It's not a huge part of where we're gonna get alcohol from.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  No.

• 48:00Speaker 04

  It's completely insane, but this is what, um.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  This is British drinking culture, basically. Put the sound on for us.

• 48:05Speaker 06

  My birthday is 60th of September, there's 16 cocktails on the menu, we decided we're gonna drink them all, really, they're lovely. There's Deborah pouring the gin and tonics into a video of me drinking one, but there they are.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  By the way, it's, it's not, it's not yet, it's not yet 11am.

• 48:18Speaker 06

  Now the April spritz, Moon had went to the bottle, she wouldn't let him out of it.

• 48:22Speaker 04

  And these guys were in their twenties.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  This, I mean, this is the roaring twenties.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Maybe 1pm, maybe not.

• 48:29Speaker 06

  Not too good. Moon had just gulped his down the hatch in one.

• 48:32Speaker 04

  Look how far into the video we are. Not even halfway.

• 48:35Speaker 06

  She wanted to walk with you at home, he couldn't walk. Now tied to walk, Moonhead back to the room. There he is. I embarked and I got his quick drop to nice and safe for him. He decided to hit Frank, he's coming to let the team down with bastard rats.

• 48:47Speaker 04

  See, this is culture.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:50Speaker 04

  Yes, this is him on his own, he's opening a bottle of wine.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. European style drinking, um, open a bottle of wine with dinner.

• 48:57Speaker 03

  If they could go back in time and show that TikTok, prohibition would have succeeded.

• 49:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  But that's, but like, if we drank that much, maybe we wouldn't have needed to legalize marijuana. Like, I see some of this and I'm like, oh, you could do a drug and not spend $200 falling on the floor.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  And maybe that's, maybe that's prohibition's legacy, is it led to marijuana being legalized sooner than you guys?

• 49:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 49:20Speaker 04

  Definitely. Yeah, cause it doesn't have the same moral arguments the same way. It's like, it doesn't.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  They thought it would stop people getting fucked up. It's like, no, they'll find a way to get fucked up. There's gonna be different ways.

• 49:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:29Speaker 03

  You can't stop people from wanting to get fucked up.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  People always need a release.

• 49:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  A man needs a release. Um, unless you're Tom Holland and you fucking talk like you've discovered sobriety.

• 49:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  And he's invented a drink called Beer Row.

• 49:42Speaker 04

  Who's this?

• 49:43Speaker 02

  Tom Holland.

• 49:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  Not the historian, the actor.

• 49:45Speaker 04

  Right.

• 49:45Speaker 03

  They say it's because.

• 49:46Speaker 04

  We use it so interchangeably.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, sorry.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  And he paints a story, I guess he said he used to drink too much and then they say Zendaya didn't like it. And now he's got this brand. It's got a whole brand story.

• 49:55Speaker 04

  What is it? What is this?

• 49:56Speaker 03

  It's called non-alcoholic beer.

• 49:58Speaker 04

  Just like any non-alcoholic beer.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  The sales for non-alcoholic drinks, it's, it's huge.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  So how does prohibition collapse? The corruption is so obvious. Sir Valentine's Day massacre is bad optics.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Women who had campaigned for prohibition start saying, this isn't working. I'm still getting hit. Now I can't buy a drink to fucking take the edge off.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  He's not even drunk, he's doing, cause he's so fat.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 50:22Speaker 04

  Returns more.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  You know, England are still losing internationally, so, and then, uh, then you get the Great Depression and basically they realize that they fucking, there's this whole economy that they're not taxing.

• 50:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, they need the money.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  So they need the money back.

• 50:35Speaker 04

  Fundamentally, it's probably an economic thing.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  This is my favorite thing about the whole story, is that FDR wins the 1932 election and his main policy is, I will legalize beer.

• 50:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, four terms.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Has anyone, has anyone ever had an easier run as president? Oh yeah, I'll vote for that. Yeah. The guy who's bringing pints back. Yeah.

• 50:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  I mean, it's like, it's fucking slam dunk.

• 50:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, and he had a pint when he, um, signed off to the thing. He said, this is a good time for a beer. Well, is he in a wheelchair at this point?

• 51:03Speaker 02

  No, I mean, he, he drinks quite a lot.

• 51:04Speaker 03

  Knows a drunk driver.

• 51:05Speaker 04

  Right.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:11Speaker 02

  Does he have four terms? Is that what he has?

• 51:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, he, and he died in the fourth term. I'm right, yeah?

• 51:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that, that's when they got rid of, that's when they made the limit.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  Ah, it's only after him.

• 51:20Speaker 04

  Then Truman comes in and immediately shows.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  Uh, big bomb, yeah, I'll do that.

• 51:26Speaker 03

  I went to the, the Hiroshima memorial and, you know, there's a picture of FDR and I'm like, yeah, and he died two months later when they were still like talking things out. And then Truman came in.

• 51:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's easy.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  Fucking hell.

• 51:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's simple, just fucking do it.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  I mean, Burnham's two months in now.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  That's a big two months, isn't it?

• 51:42Speaker 02

  Big two months. Yeah. If Burnham did that now, he would not, people would be like, all right, that wasn't necessary. Why have you done that? Japan has not been kicking off for some time.

• 51:51Speaker 04

  What, drop it on Hiroshima again?

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Give them a go, yeah, when they least expect.

• 51:56Speaker 04

  Well, they're not even tensing, it's just gut punch.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Real.

• 52:00Speaker 04

  Really, Andy? I thought it was about like revitalizing the gnaw.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  What about, what about Iran, surely? Why, why have we bombed Hiroshima, Andy?

• 52:11Speaker 02

  Two months in, nice. Burnham, done it. So yeah, Roosevelt wins the election in a landslide. Weeks after office, he signs the Cullen Harrison Act, which legalises beer up to 3.2%.

• 52:25Speaker 04

  Session.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  Session beer is legal. He then says upon signing the bill, probably one of the smuggest things ever, I think it's a big time for a beer.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  And now breweries that had sat silent for 13 years could suddenly roll back into life and they're accused, like it's the new Harry Potter book or something outside. And then.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  But everyone's broke because of the depression.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  It's the great depression, yeah.

• 52:44Speaker 04

  So the roaring twenties is over. Weirdly, they legalise alcohol and it becomes, America in the thirties is quite depressing, right?

• 52:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was greatly depressing.

• 52:51Speaker 04

  That's the dust bowl, isn't it? That's all the kind of like, is that?

• 52:54Speaker 02

  But also, sorry, I didn't know this. NASCAR is started by people driving whisky from Canada illegally.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  Right. That's how NASCAR started?

• 53:08Speaker 02

  NASCAR starts.

• 53:09Speaker 03

  They go, who can do it the fastest?

• 53:10Speaker 02

  Basically, and then they start, they start showing off how, how good they are at driving.

• 53:14Speaker 04

  Oh, I see.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  And that becomes, something like that, yeah. Illegal prohibition era moonshines modifying ordinary cars to outrun the police, which evolves into an organised sport.

• 53:22Speaker 03

  See, that's why I don't like NASCAR, because for me, that's the speakeasy of, of sports, where it's like, it's like, okay, you're not doing anything illegal anymore. So, oh, I'm impressed you went in a circle. Commit a crime and get away. Now like, I'll watch that sport.

• 53:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Provision formally ends 1933.

• 53:38Speaker 03

  Twenty eighth amendment?

• 53:39Speaker 02

  Twenty or twenty first amendment.

• 53:41Speaker 03

  Twenty first.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  How many amendments have there been?

• 53:42Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  There's a lot.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  But that's the only, is that the only one that really was like, nah, nix that other one? Yeah, that's strange.

• 53:48Speaker 04

  And how many cancelled amendments? Because was slavery an amendment?

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Was that?

• 53:51Speaker 04

  And then they cancelled the amendment? Or did they make an amendment to, to cancel slavery because it was in the original?

• 53:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. And what do you guys have?

• 53:57Speaker 04

  We don't actually have a constitution. We just have a king who's a sort of walking constitution. You just.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  But now?

• 54:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, we don't have a constitution.

• 54:06Speaker 03

  You don't have like a, you don't have a numbered thing?

• 54:08Speaker 04

  No, we have like a collection of different documents.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  We have Magna Carta.

• 54:11Speaker 04

  Bill of Rights that tot up to it.

• 54:13Speaker 02

  We didn't even have a Supreme Court.

• 54:14Speaker 04

  We didn't have a revolution, so we didn't have like, right, let's codify all this. It's sort of built up over many years.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  That's better. It's, you need a little chaos. When it gets too strict, you, you got eighteenth and then you have to keep the eighteenth. We, we still have it. We still have to print it.

• 54:27Speaker 04

  We don't have huge debates about what is the constitution and whether it's.

• 54:31Speaker 03

  What is twenty first? Does it just say, my bad? Like what, like, or do they say the eighteenth is overridden?

• 54:36Speaker 04

  So they amend the amendment?

• 54:38Speaker 03

  No, it is a new amendment.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:40Speaker 03

  Two separate, so eighteenth is still there.

• 54:42Speaker 04

  So can you plead the eighteenth?

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Here it goes. The eighteenth article of the amendment to the constitution of the United States is hereby repealed. So it's literally just says, just take it out.

• 54:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  Just take it out. Move everyone back one.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  So that's, that's, I mean, we've sort of discussed really how prohibition has reshaped American drinking now.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  But I really didn't, I really think, when I think about like how people got in trouble, where I remember parties where, where like it would be, you know, in some residential neighbourhood and the cops would block off the exit and then just go and bust the whole party. And, and you heard the cops were coming and you'd get in a car with someone who was drunk as fuck because you didn't want to get in trouble.

• 55:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:21Speaker 03

  And I'm like, that has to extend from.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure. Yeah, definitely.

• 55:25Speaker 04

  But what the police, are they doing it for the power trip or do they genuinely think it's a moral?

• 55:29Speaker 03

  I, I think it's, it's the Puritans who still exist in Maryland where I grew up. But, but I went to New York City. I did a musical theatre summer camp in New York City and I had a fake ID because that was the thing.

• 55:38Speaker 04

  Right.

• 55:39Speaker 03

  And I remember going to buy a gallon.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  What was your name?

• 55:41Speaker 03

  I know it's from Hawaii.

• 55:42Speaker 04

  Sparkles McGee or like?

• 55:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because that's what I look like naturally.

• 55:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, no, but to be fair to you, how do you, how do you sort of Yasify Jan Marco Sorese? It's already.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  It's already kind of Sparkly McGee.

• 55:54Speaker 03

  I show IDs now, they're like, this is not your name.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 55:56Speaker 03

  And I remember I went to go, fifteen years old, go to buy a gallon of the cheapest vodka. Couldn't be more suspicious. And I went to, in New York and I went to go buy it and they didn't ask for the ID at all. And that's an extension of, of New York culture being like, just fucking drink.

• 56:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:10Speaker 03

  I would, I would go to restaurants when I was fifteen in New York and they would just let you drink. Maryland, never. I still get carded in Maryland.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  Really?

• 56:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:17Speaker 02

  Get carded? Indeed.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  With, yeah, they check your age.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  And I think it's, it's all an extension of this.

• 56:22Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 56:22Speaker 03

  And it's same with high school. It's like, they're drinking, they're drinking. What are we, everyone's, everyone's doing it.

• 56:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:27Speaker 03

  So why are you going to punish the, you know who you're going to punish? And this is what happened with me. You're going to punish the people who aren't good at getting away with crimes.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:35Speaker 03

  That's all you're getting is the dumb criminals. And the smart ones are going to the, the good colleges.

• 56:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  It's, it's the long road to a guy walking through a shopping centre smearing poo on the walls.

• 56:44Speaker 04

  Yes, which we talked about in the first episode.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  First episode, which is the, which is the price of freedom.

• 56:48Speaker 03

  You could draw a line from prohibition to this right here.

• 56:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, for sure.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. It's, it's florid stuff. Anyway, Jan Marco, you're on tour in the UK?

• 56:56Speaker 03

  Yes, doing a big tour in October. So all over.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  You're going to Folkestone?

• 57:01Speaker 03

  Going to Folkestone.

• 57:02Speaker 02

  Folkestone.

• 57:02Speaker 04

  Jan Marco in Folkestone.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  Jan Marco's going to Folkestone. My God, what a culture clash that will be. Can't wait to see what the people of Kent think of Jan Marco Sorese. Follow Jan Marco.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  Other places too, to be clear, not just Folkestone.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  He's not come all the way here to go to Folkestone, but mainly it is. He has. The big show is Folkestone.

• 57:18Speaker 04

  He doesn't leave Kent the whole tour.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  He's doing the Palladium, Palladium and Pshmaldium. Really, it's Folkestone. Yeah.

• 57:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  Well, he's going to stick around on the Patreon. We'll talk more about jazz. That's been prohibition and we'll see you all next week.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  Bye.