Pod Insights Elis James and John Robins #536 - A Cup Final You Can’t Lose About this episode They did it! The marathon has been conquered by the bravest and youngest boys around, Messrs John Robins and Dave Masterman. And due to the circular nature of this show’s recording schedule, just 5 days later we can finally bask in the glory of their amazing achievements!
So strap in for a marathon debrief like no other, including a squat competition (which is the real quiz) that has disastrous results for one competitor, and an abandoned dusk run in Farringdon as a result of said squat competition. Elis also reveals whether he’ll be entering the ballot for next year.
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2:07 Speaker 00 Hello, hello, wherever you are. Thank you very much for listening to this episode of Ellis and John. Elis James here and I am with two extremely brave boys who have had to brave enormous pain and discomfort to come into the studio because we usually record on a Friday, which would have given our two very brave boys five days of recovery. But because of plans that actually ended up not happening, things were scuppered. We're recording early, recording on Tuesday, a mere 48 hours after the marathon ended. And I've got to be honest, John and Dave are in fine fettle. They're in great spirits.
2:48 Speaker 01 Who do you reckon could do more squats than me and Dave right now?
2:54 Speaker 00 I actually think you.
2:57 Speaker 01 I'm quietly confident.
2:58 Speaker 00 Because-
2:59 Speaker 02 John's had seven massages in the last-
3:01 Speaker 00 He's had massages and he's used his Theragun.
3:03 Speaker 02 Have you just had the masseuse move in with you?
3:06 Speaker 01 One of the massages I had on site-
3:09 Speaker 00 Oh, did you do that?
3:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:10 Speaker 00 I should have done that.
3:11 Speaker 01 And one of the massages was someone who's been massaging me for some time to help me cope with various injuries.
3:19 Speaker 00 And what was interesting, had you booked that before the marathon?
3:22 Speaker 01 Yes.
3:22 Speaker 00 Yeah, of course, of course you had. But I'd never been to watch before. I really loved it. It was an amazing-
3:31 Speaker 01 Are we not going to do the squat competition?
3:32 Speaker 00 We can do squat competition, but what I want to say is that the reason I think-
3:35 Speaker 01 Dave wanted to race me down the street.
3:36 Speaker 02 I did, I want to race you down Baldwin's Gardens.
3:38 Speaker 00 The reason I think John would win the squat competition is at the end of the marathon. John looked tired, Dave was grey.
3:49 Speaker 00 You were great. You looked ill. John just looked tired.
3:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, I was done. I was absolutely done.
3:55 Speaker 01 Well, that's a remarkable achievement for me, considering I'd been running for an extra hour and 28 minutes.
4:00 Speaker 00 Yeah.
4:01 Speaker 01 I really put in a shift. Dave didn't fancy it. He thought, I want an easy day.
4:08 Speaker 00 Yeah.
4:09 Speaker 01 So I will do it in three hours 20.
4:11 Speaker 00 I'll bang it out in three hours 20 and I'll go and have a burger.
4:13 Speaker 01 I'll have a complimentary fish finger sandwich.
4:15 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah, yeah. John, on the other hand, you thought, I want, I love time on my feet, actually.
4:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, I love people and I love London.
4:24 Speaker 00 And I love running. But yeah, at the end of it, you were like, oh, I'm a bit sore. Yeah, God, I am tired. Dave, you looked like you'd gone to a terrible place. To the extent, I was talking to a friend of the show, Annie McGrath, about this. She immediately joined the ballot for next year. I said, I am, I've never, I haven't joined the ballot and I'm removing myself from the ballot. Even though I'm not in it, I'm distancing myself from the ballot. I never want to do that.
4:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
4:53 Speaker 00 I want to, I'm, I've thrown the ballot in the bin.
4:57 Speaker 02 Like if you get called up into the army, but if you've got a slight.
5:01 Speaker 00 Bone spur, it's Donald Trump style.
5:03 Speaker 01 Ellis is a conscientious objector to the London Marathon.
5:06 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah. Give me a white feather. It doesn't bother me. So do you want to do a squat competition?
5:11 Speaker 02 I wanted to race him. I wanted to race him down the street.
5:14 Speaker 00 I'd like to see a race.
5:14 Speaker 01 But that's not going to happen now, is it? Because we're in a studio.
5:16 Speaker 02 We do afterwards. It's still light in the evening.
5:18 Speaker 00 Caught a dusk run through Farringdon. Yes, please, John.
5:21 Speaker 01 I'm not doing that.
5:22 Speaker 00 I think it'd be quite funny. I'd like to see a dusk run through Farringdon.
5:25 Speaker 02 I'll do your squat challenge if you do my race challenge.
5:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, all right, but I do have to be gone by eight.
5:32 Speaker 00 He's got another massage. It's only one of his nine PM massages.
5:37 Speaker 02 I'll do your squat. I'll do your stupid squat challenge.
5:40 Speaker 01 How stupid is it, Dave?
5:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, because I can't do it. I tried to jog for a train today. It looked, it was pathetic.
5:46 Speaker 01 Ellis, it's got to be, it's got to be horizontal. It's got to be.
5:50 Speaker 00 Got to break the horizontal.
5:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, you've got to break the horizontal.
5:53 Speaker 02 Right, where do you need us, Michael? Ellis, can you give us commentary for the listener, please? Because this is visual.
5:59 Speaker 00 With pleasure.
6:00 Speaker 02 You know, we are primarily audio still.
6:01 Speaker 00 Joining us here at the Record Hall, Farringdon.
6:04 Speaker 01 So are we going to do like first to 10?
6:07 Speaker 02 Uh, yeah, all right.
6:09 Speaker 01 Or max?
6:10 Speaker 02 We're not maxing, are we? All right, yeah, fine. I don't care.
6:14 Speaker 01 What are we doing?
6:15 Speaker 02 Uh, let's do first to 100.
6:19 Speaker 02 Let's do, um, yeah, that's your first attempt.
6:21 Speaker 01 Okay, Ellis, you've got to check that we're going below the horizontal.
6:25 Speaker 00 With pleasure.
6:26 Speaker 01 Okay.
6:27 Speaker 02 This might, oh.
6:28 Speaker 01 So who's, are you going to mark set go us?
6:30 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah. As they take their positions, our two extremely courageous runners, both of them conquered the TCS London Marathon on Sunday, the 26th, but this is the real challenge. John Robins looking horribly confident to my left.
6:46 Speaker 01 This is the real quiz.
6:47 Speaker 00 This is the real quiz. Dave Masterman already staring at his shoes, doesn't want it.
6:53 Speaker 02 I don't want this.
6:54 Speaker 00 Okay, on your marks, get set, go. John looking.
7:00 Speaker 02 Oh my god, no. Oh god.
7:06 Speaker 00 Robins, resplendent, incredible from the Thornbury-born marathon runner.
7:16 Speaker 00 Masterman is down.
7:18 Speaker 02 Oh my back, really twingeing.
7:19 Speaker 00 Aldridge is down, McMahon is down, Dalgleish just stands there.
7:23 Speaker 02 Oh, how are you doing that, you nutter?
7:26 Speaker 01 Ferregan and two massages and two hot baths and on the night I got home, I sat on everything from my freezer.
7:35 Speaker 01 I took everything out of my freezer and I, I put towels down on my bed and I just lay on all my frozen items.
7:44 Speaker 00 Did you?
7:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:45 Speaker 00 Oh.
7:46 Speaker 02 Oh, I've actually just done my, I've actually just done my back in.
7:50 Speaker 01 I'm sorry, Dave.
7:51 Speaker 00 But that was, I mean, I.
7:53 Speaker 02 The race is off, we're cancelling the race.
7:54 Speaker 00 I enjoyed that. So, a lot of people get post-marathon blues. Have you got the post-marathon blues?
8:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, massively.
8:02 Speaker 00 Because it's such a focus for so long.
8:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:06 Speaker 00 It's a bit like Edinburgh, isn't it? I used to get terrible post-Edinburgh blues.
8:10 Speaker 01 Uh, yeah, I mean, I think it was sort of a very mixed experience and I was struggling to know how to communicate that without sort of sounding ungrateful because it's obviously incredibly difficult to even get a place. Yeah, yeah. It is a once in a lifetime experience and I don't think anyone would want the London Marathon any other way. No, but you, but now you want your life to end. Because it is unreal. Um, the support was incredible. Uh, the whole scale of it is so overwhelming. I've never been before. I was staggered by it, actually. Um, but I think. It's bigger than Gloucesterbury.
8:49 Speaker 01 I think something a lot of participants may be experienced but don't necessarily feel they can talk too much about is i- if you're someone who has been doing all your training alone. Suddenly there's a million people watching you. It's really mad. Yeah. And it's very loud. It's, it's sort of like an extremely full on ADHD experience. Yes. Hello. So there's, there's just too much stimulation. Cowbells. A lot of cowbells. People banging pots and pans. Lot of vuvuzelas. Yeah. But it's not, I mean, obviously you want that huge energy, but stuff like there are water bottles everywhere.
9:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're constantly dodging them. Yeah. The, the. Getting sprayed. Yeah, the, the drink station sort of move position. So well, they're on one side, then they're on the other. You've got so many people around you and you can't escape. Yeah. The only escape is by finishing. Yeah, yes. Which is 26 miles away. So if I was in a bar, it was like being in a very loud bar for four and a half hours. Yeah. If I was in a bar, I would be going to the toilet every 20 minutes to just sit. And you wouldn't be running. Or I would go outside. You're not in a treadmill in a nightclub. Or I would say to my friend, hey, have a lovely time, um, but I'm gonna head off now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:19 Speaker 01 You know, things are getting a little bit lary.
10:22 Speaker 00 But they got, they got Larry in Greenwich and it doesn't stop being Larry until, yeah, the finish line.
10:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, so, and so I left the, uh, my Airbnb at, so eight AM. And I was next alone at about three o'clock.
10:43 Speaker 00 Yeah, which for you is a lot, isn't it?
10:45 Speaker 01 Well, especially, I passed nearly a million people.
10:48 Speaker 00 Yeah.
10:49 Speaker 01 Um, so, yeah, it's, it's big. It's, it's not suited to my brain, but I'm glad I, I'm glad I did it. And I had like, um, certain, I didn't actually regret the way I went about it pace wise. Because if you look at my splits, if there's any running nerds listening, so I went off at, uh, four hour pace.
11:13 Speaker 00 Yeah. I knew. Your target, wasn't it?
11:14 Speaker 01 That was my target. I knew that wasn't going to happen.
11:16 Speaker 00 Yeah.
11:17 Speaker 01 But because I was close enough, I thought, well, just see how it is.
11:22 Speaker 00 And you're only going to do it once.
11:23 Speaker 01 You're only going to do it once. So I, I did a two hour half marathon.
11:27 Speaker 00 Yeah. Well, I was following your splits. So at that stage I was like, oh my God.
11:31 Speaker 01 Well, at that stage.
11:32 Speaker 00 Stand ball.
11:33 Speaker 01 At that stage I was like, oh my God, maybe something impossible is going to happen. And maybe I'll feel just as good for the second half as I will for the first half.
11:43 Speaker 00 This is it.
11:44 Speaker 01 Um, but it was hot.
11:46 Speaker 00 Yes.
11:47 Speaker 01 I'd never run in that hot. I mean, it was only like 18 degrees, but still hotter than I'd run.
11:51 Speaker 00 But I was hot.
11:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:52 Speaker 00 And I wasn't running and you've done all your training in terrible weather. Like I'd played football in that weather the day before and was too hot. And remember as I, as I walked back to the car, I thought, I need to run a marathon. And that's what John and David are doing now.
12:09 Speaker 01 And I think what happened was, so I, I'd only ever run 27 kilometres before. And that's about when my, I really started to slip. Um. And in your head, you think, oh, well, I was running at like five forty Ks. And I'm now down to six. That's fine. I'll just run at six.
12:28 Speaker 00 Yeah.
12:28 Speaker 01 And then you're like, oh, I've slipped down to six thirty Ks. I'll just run at six thirty. That's nice, relaxed pace.
12:34 Speaker 00 I'll keep it this.
12:35 Speaker 01 I'll keep it this. And then you're getting close to seven. You think, okay, the goal is not to go past seven minute case. And then it's like eight and you're like, I'm pretty sure I can walk faster than I'm currently running. So then you start to, and then the big, like, personal disappointment, and obviously it's not about me, but I am me.
12:57 Speaker 00 Your A levels.
13:00 Speaker 01 Was like, okay, you are gonna have to walk now.
13:02 Speaker 00 Yeah.
13:03 Speaker 01 And if I had.
13:04 Speaker 00 I, I understand that.
13:06 Speaker 01 If I'd paced it more cannily, uh, I, I, I think I could maybe have run a lot closer to the end and maybe done it a tad quicker.
13:15 Speaker 00 Which would have been better for the optics.
13:17 Speaker 01 But the difficulty is when you're getting towards the end, that's as the already exceptional atmosphere is now building even more.
13:26 Speaker 00 Yeah.
13:26 Speaker 01 People are drunker.
13:28 Speaker 00 Yes.
13:29 Speaker 01 The crowds are on both sides of you, so you can't move to one side to get a bit of sort of space.
13:34 Speaker 00 Yeah, it really ramps up.
13:36 Speaker 01 And as it's ramping up and everyone is encouraging you even more, you are done.
13:41 Speaker 00 Yeah.
13:42 Speaker 01 And because of the like, part of the race I was in, I'm just street, people are streaming past me. So I feel like in the way, I feel a bit self-conscious. And I think just that's a psychological struggle.
13:55 Speaker 00 Yes, of course.
13:56 Speaker 01 Um, but I'm also like, this is a, this is an unrepeatable, once in a lifetime, amazing event that is full of the most inspirational stories. The most incredible causes.
14:07 Speaker 00 The boy with the fridge.
14:08 Speaker 01 The constant, I passed the guy in the fridge.
14:11 Speaker 00 Oh, my God. Every single news report I've seen about that fridge has made me cry.
14:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:17 Speaker 00 He is an absolutely, him and his brother, well, the whole family are extraordinary people.
14:23 Speaker 01 But when you are run, in fact, I think I passed a different guy with a fridge, maybe, or did I not?
14:28 Speaker 00 Ah, well. They're two brothers, aren't they? I so I think they both ran the marathon.
14:33 Speaker 01 For dementia, early onset dementia. But because you're there for, well, four hours, forty eight minutes, you're seeing hundreds of those little stories.
14:41 Speaker 00 Yes, that's what I found overwhelming as a punter.
14:43 Speaker 01 Constant explosions in the crowd when the person is running past and embracing.
14:47 Speaker 00 Well, this I didn't expect. So I was waiting for you. So we were in Shadwell. So that's mile thirteen and twenty one. So we could, we could see you twice. So I saw George Lewis twice. I saw you twice. I only saw you, you Dave at mile twenty one. So I missed you at mile thirteen. But what the one thing I noticed just before you came for the second time, John, was, if you look at everyone's vests, it's muscular dystrophy, it's multi neuron disease, multiple sclerosis, breast cancer, the British Heart Foundation, you know, homelessness charities, St Christopher's hospice, and it's all of these, all of these incredible causes. And then it hits you how much money's been raised. Everyone's got a story. Everyone's story's special.
15:29 Speaker 00 So where we were standing, because we were in the only official run to win and hate yourself fan zone.
15:36 Speaker 00 Ask someone who was lucky enough to be in the only official run to win and hate yourself fan zone brought to you by Superdrug.
15:44 Speaker 00 There was, just before you, just before you passed this at twenty two, because the thing with Shadwell is that there's an underpass and the, the route loops through Shadwell. So you can see people twice. But you know, there's, there's that underpass will never have more than one person in it usually. It took forty five minutes to get through the underpass because it's so busy. Because Shadwell's a pinch point and it's a good spot to watch the marathon. There was this young woman, she was, I would say, in her early twenties, and I was standing next to her mum, which I didn't realise. And I don't know what the, I don't know what the story was, but when she saw her mother, they both embraced and burst into tears. Now I'm crying and people are like, John's on his way. I'm like, John's had a good journey as well.
16:26 Speaker 00 And it's just that for, for the whole day. I was absolutely spent when I got home.
16:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's a crazy, it's a crazy day.
16:33 Speaker 00 Because people will tell you their stories as well, because they're desperate to. It's a genuinely extraordinary occasion.
16:41 Speaker 01 I, the one thing I would just say in terms of if anyone is. Thing of doing it next year or doing one for the first time.
16:48 Speaker 00 Try and train with a million people watching you.
16:50 Speaker 01 Well, yeah, I mean, if you, but if you are someone who finds loud noises and obviously lots of different noises and close contact difficult.
16:58 Speaker 00 Yeah.
16:59 Speaker 01 You need to find a way to experience it a little bit. So do try and do some runs, some official runs near you with other people. Even that won't get close, but you'll at least be used to it.
17:12 Speaker 00 Yeah.
17:12 Speaker 01 So like maybe do park runs regularly or do a.
17:15 Speaker 00 Or big half marathon.
17:16 Speaker 01 10K. But something I really wish I had, I consumed so much marathon content and tips and stuff on YouTube and Instagram over the past year. What I would say that wasn't really a feature of that is run to your heart rate, not to your pace.
17:36 Speaker 00 Yes.
17:36 Speaker 01 Because I went to the loo at, I can check on my splits because it's my only, I lost about 27 seconds or something. I went to the loo in, at, um.
17:48 Speaker 00 Well, I didn't go to the loo. I left the house at Upper State and I then didn't have a wee until 4pm. I was just three, sympathy dehydration. Cause I was just so overwhelmed by the whole thing. I didn't eat anything. You cried out all your liquid. I cried out all my liquid.
18:02 Speaker 01 So I went to the loo in the ninth kilometer.
18:05 Speaker 00 Right.
18:05 Speaker 01 So I thought, get it out of the way. I just needed a wee.
18:07 Speaker 00 Yeah.
18:07 Speaker 01 26 seconds it took. I thought, great. That's not too bad.
18:10 Speaker 00 Pit stop.
18:10 Speaker 01 Pit stop. Yeah. I was straight back in and it was just taking me a while to get back up. I sort of didn't know what my speed was. So I went from what I'd been told is just have your lap pace and your average pace on your watch. So you're not constantly dragged into what speed you're at at that second.
18:25 Speaker 00 Yeah.
18:26 Speaker 01 But I just flicked down to get back up to my previous pace and my heart rate was 178 beats a minute.
18:31 Speaker 00 That's fast.
18:32 Speaker 01 And I was like, oh, you're at the top of zone five.
18:36 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's sprinting.
18:37 Speaker 01 After nine kilometres.
18:38 Speaker 00 Yeah.
18:39 Speaker 01 And when you get in.
18:40 Speaker 00 What's that then? What caused that?
18:42 Speaker 01 It's just heat, adrenaline, how you've slept, what you've eaten.
18:46 Speaker 00 Yeah.
18:47 Speaker 01 So. What I wish I had remembered is that when you get into that zone, a clock starts ticking to when your body will shut down.
18:55 Speaker 00 Of course, yeah, yeah.
18:56 Speaker 01 And it's about forty five minutes to an hour, regardless of your pace, right? Because running, running a certain one pace on a hot day and the same pace on a cold day, your heart's going to be totally different.
19:07 Speaker 00 Yeah.
19:08 Speaker 01 So I wish I'd been like, from the start, just keep it in the middle and you'll be able to carry on running because you start burning more energy than you can get inside you. So really, from nine kilometres, I was a dead man walking. I was a dead man running and almost bang on an hour and a half after that, I couldn't go. So that's, I guess, my experience of it.
19:33 Speaker 00 It was hard to eat though, so I was hungry for quite a lot of it.
19:36 Speaker 02 Were you?
19:37 Speaker 00 So thanks, and I had to stand on my tiptoes, so my calves were sore.
19:40 Speaker 01 Try only eating five hundred millilitres of pure salted shell gel. It was, my stomach is still very confused as to what's been going on over the past few days.
19:50 Speaker 00 Yes, I can imagine.
19:51 Speaker 01 Nothing but gel for four and a half hours and then fish and chips.
19:56 Speaker 00 Yeah.
19:57 Speaker 01 What about you, Dave?
19:59 Speaker 02 Well, I think we had a, interesting, we had a similar experience, I think.
20:03 Speaker 01 Our graph is very similar, just with different times.
20:06 Speaker 02 It must be. I mean, I'm not looking at mine. Deep down, I'm, I am a little bit, I'm disappointed with how my day panned out, but at the same time, I don't really think I could have done anything differently, which was.
20:15 Speaker 00 I was thinking about this because I don't know anyone who has been so disciplined with their training, because you've got a full time job and three children, you couldn't have done any more.
20:24 Speaker 02 I couldn't have done any more, but I didn't do enough is the key. I didn't do enough.
20:27 Speaker 00 You couldn't do any more.
20:28 Speaker 02 No, I couldn't.
20:29 Speaker 00 So that's it.
20:30 Speaker 02 And that's where it showed.
20:31 Speaker 00 Unless you quit your job.
20:32 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:33 Speaker 00 That's, that's the only, that's the answer, Dave, is that you have a drive crisis.
20:37 Speaker 02 Harry Judd's got a running coach.
20:39 Speaker 00 Quit your job.
20:40 Speaker 01 But I think here's where it's really difficult because so many people, when afterwards, are saying, you know, well done, you should be so proud, this is amazing, and that is true.
20:48 Speaker 02 Yes, it is.
20:49 Speaker 01 And I am proud and it was well done, it is amazing and I'm so grateful, but at the same time, another thing can be true.
20:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:56 Speaker 01 Which is that in order to train for six months, you have to have targets or the training becomes, you can't, you can't do it.
21:02 Speaker 00 Yeah.
21:03 Speaker 01 You have to, you have to be able to monitor yourself to, to give you a reason to get out of the front door, to go, well, can I go this far? Can I go this fast? I need today, I need to go slow. What does slow mean? So inevitably you start the race with a target.
21:20 Speaker 00 Yeah.
21:20 Speaker 01 The race is the target, it's all targets.
21:22 Speaker 00 Yeah.
21:23 Speaker 01 So when you've, when you sort of in inverted commas fail, and obviously not a single person who gets to the start line has failed.
21:30 Speaker 00 No.
21:30 Speaker 01 But there is a personal competition going on.
21:32 Speaker 00 Of course.
21:33 Speaker 01 And you're, you're missing out on it in front of a million people.
21:37 Speaker 00 But now my, my friend Alice, who now runs for Wales vets, she ran the Manchester Marathon, very quick time, she's a brilliant runner. But she put a thing on Instagram, she said, the thing with the marathon, so much can go wrong in the training.
21:50 Speaker 01 Hmm.
21:51 Speaker 00 And so much can go wrong on the day.
21:53 Speaker 01 Hmm.
21:53 Speaker 00 That it's all an amazing achievement because you're, you're putting, you're pushing your body to such incredible limits just in training.
22:01 Speaker 01 Hmm.
22:01 Speaker 00 Day of waking up at four in the morning, doing, running 32K and doing the school run. That is an absolutely mad thing to do.
22:10 Speaker 01 Yes.
22:10 Speaker 00 So when you're doing that in the winter, waking up whenever, you know, when it's only, when it's only the, the postman and the sort of the, the guy doing the milk round is awake, running what is almost a marathon and then doing your normal day and, and it's, it's crazy and it's fine if you're gonna be, you know, if you're a Kenyan marathon runner and that's how you live, that's one thing. But everyone else, they're trying to fit their real lives around it. So it's just, there's just so much stuff can go wrong.
22:40 Speaker 01 Well, I think if, I wish I'd put as much effort into that mindset as to the whole, like, how do you maintain a pace when you're tired? How do you?
22:47 Speaker 00 Yeah.
22:48 Speaker 01 Run with pain and all of that. Um, because I realised before I checked my Garmin app, I'd run a thousand kilometres that year, that calendar year. And like, in a way, that's, that's what I was thinking of when it got difficult is like. Really, the extra forty two doesn't matter.
23:09 Speaker 00 Yeah.
23:10 Speaker 01 It's the fact that there were a hundred occasions where you really wanted to just have breakfast and go on the internet. Or where you had to fit in a run in London between two podcast records.
23:21 Speaker 00 Yeah, absolutely.
23:22 Speaker 01 Or where you had to go to the gym when you were injured on the way back home and you really were just wanted dinner.
23:27 Speaker 00 Yeah.
23:27 Speaker 01 And you didn't do that.
23:28 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah.
23:29 Speaker 01 You did these thousand kilometres. Um, and the only time I got really emotional was when I got to five kilometres left and I thought, oh, that's just the woods and back. And I started to cry because that's a run I've done fifty times.
23:43 Speaker 00 Of course, yeah.
23:44 Speaker 01 And I was like, you can do this because it's the woods and back.
23:47 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah.
23:48 Speaker 01 As, and that took me out of London and the noise. But I, I was so ready for like, okay, when this mental battle happens, you use this mantra. When this thing happens, you use this destruction technique. I couldn't think long enough because there's so much going on.
24:04 Speaker 00 Got on your mentally weak.
24:05 Speaker 01 And I'm mentally weak. But I couldn't actually get in my head to have any kind of conversation, yeah.
24:11 Speaker 00 So you couldn't have a, an internal monologue because of the noise of a million people watching you.
24:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, so you know, when Paula said, Paula Radcliffe, my personal friend.
24:20 Speaker 00 Yeah, your mate.
24:21 Speaker 01 Uh, she was counting to a hundred in multiples because she knew that thirteen hundreds is a mile. I could, I got to twenty was the max I could count to.
24:30 Speaker 00 That's amazing. I didn't realise that.
24:32 Speaker 01 I'm proud.
24:32 Speaker 00 Great accounting.
24:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm one of the great counters.
24:36 Speaker 00 You are, you're so good.
24:37 Speaker 01 But that was as far as I could go before I would lose track or something would happen or I'd have to dodge something or someone would be smoking cannabis right by the side of the road and that hits you.
24:47 Speaker 00 Hell yes. Yeah, sorry. The, the thing I found, I found lots of things very moving, but I, when I, when I arrived at Shadwell, the elites had passed. So then you wait a bit and then it's just the good recreational runners and then, you know, the really good recreational runners, then it's everyone else. But everyone's doing the same thing on the same course.
25:05 Speaker 01 Hmm.
25:06 Speaker 00 So you, you run the same course on the same day as the fastest marathon runner in history.
25:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I thought he went off a bit first, actually.
25:12 Speaker 00 He'll be disappointed. But it's, that's the thing, you know, normal people don't get to run on the same. You know, track as Usain Bolt.
25:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'll never.
25:22 Speaker 00 Or play cricket at Lord's.
25:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'll never bat at Lord's. I'll never drive at Silverstone.
25:26 Speaker 02 That's exactly what I, in the build up as we were stretching and stuff. It's exactly that. It's, you're doing the same thing as professional athletes. You're going through the same, and that doesn't happen. You don't just suddenly.
25:35 Speaker 01 Golf, you can do that. You can play on the same course.
25:39 Speaker 00 But not, not at the same time.
25:40 Speaker 01 You can in a pro am.
25:41 Speaker 00 Okay. Like I've, like I've had a kick about at a couple of profession, a couple of real stadiums, but the players weren't there.
25:49 Speaker 02 No.
25:49 Speaker 00 It was, it was, it was me and a, and a security guy called Andy.
25:55 Speaker 00 But that is the same course. It's at the same time. It's the same, literally the same race.
26:01 Speaker 01 And, and I'm absolutely floored by the amount of people who donated to both our charities.
26:07 Speaker 02 We both, yeah, it's incredible.
26:08 Speaker 00 Fantastic.
26:09 Speaker 01 Like, I think between us, over a hundred grand now.
26:12 Speaker 00 Yeah.
26:12 Speaker 01 That's mad.
26:13 Speaker 00 Hundred grand.
26:14 Speaker 01 And all the people who came down, you know, you, I can't really talk about it too long. I'll get upset in a good way. But it just, it means the world to me. I had like friends there who I didn't, hadn't even told me, Robin was there.
26:26 Speaker 00 Yeah.
26:27 Speaker 01 He hadn't even told me he was coming.
26:28 Speaker 00 Yeah.
26:29 Speaker 01 And I suddenly hear, John.
26:31 Speaker 00 Did you see him?
26:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:32 Speaker 02 Brilliant.
26:32 Speaker 01 And it's Robin and Ruth.
26:34 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah.
26:34 Speaker 01 My sister came down, like from elsewhere in the country.
26:38 Speaker 00 Yeah. I stood on a dog by mistake. In, in the official run to win an H S F fans and brought to you by Superdrug, there was a dog that stood his tail. I felt awful about it.
26:48 Speaker 01 And the chance of spotting someone is so rare. Like, it was so hard.
26:52 Speaker 00 Yeah.
26:52 Speaker 01 Because I had my name on my top. So everyone's shouting, John.
26:55 Speaker 00 Yeah.
26:56 Speaker 01 Which is nice. And at times I'm thinking, I wish I hadn't put my name on this. I just want to hide.
27:01 Speaker 00 Or I wish I had a very odd name.
27:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, really long name that people gave up on. But.
27:07 Speaker 00 Or a rude name.
27:08 Speaker 01 I saw my sister and my brother in law. I saw other friends who I didn't know were going to be there.
27:12 Speaker 00 Yeah.
27:13 Speaker 01 I missed a couple of people who I did know were going to be there. And then going past the fan zone was great, but there was about three kilometres before where I was like. Why the did they put this so late in the race?
27:23 Speaker 02 Sorry about that.
27:23 Speaker 01 I'm not going to be able to run past them.
27:26 Speaker 02 Well, I was walking because I walked quite a bit towards the end as well. I was done. And I knew it was coming up, so I just made sure I was running as I went past the fans and then I started walking again afterwards because I wanted to look strong.
27:38 Speaker 01 There are some official photos of me towards the end. They do this amazing thing where they've just got photographers everywhere, which I'd wish I'd known because I'm on my phone a lot of the time.
27:46 Speaker 00 Like at Chessington.
27:48 Speaker 02 You're on nocturnal.
27:52 Speaker 01 Checking my DMs and, uh, what was I saying?
27:59 Speaker 00 Photo photographers.
28:00 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, there are photos of me with both feet on the floor at the same time, which is a bad sign.
28:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
28:06 Speaker 01 With a stride length of about 150 centimetres.
28:10 Speaker 00 My friend Steph said that, he says whenever he goes to photographers in, if they're photographing marathons, is it this two feet on the floor and you're like, you're like one of London's statues.
28:21 Speaker 02 And the actual, the elite, both of their feet are off the floor.
28:25 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah.
28:28 Speaker 02 Well, it was an amazing day. There will be more content to follow, won't there? There'll be lots of bits and bobs knocking about.
28:33 Speaker 01 I say I was on my phone. I was filming content for the Ellis and John cinematic universe.
28:38 Speaker 02 You were.
28:39 Speaker 01 I also filmed a lot of content in and around my prep. We filmed some content afterwards.
28:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
28:45 Speaker 01 There's content from the fans.
28:46 Speaker 00 Yeah, we did loads for New Balance.
28:49 Speaker 01 What did you do in the, what did you do in the fan zone content wise?
28:54 Speaker 00 I, I come reconnected with some random people.
28:57 Speaker 01 Right.
28:57 Speaker 00 That was great fun. Uh, went up to an awful lot of Welsh people, just was trying to come reconnect, take them. They were like, sorry, mate, I'm, my sister's running and I'm not really, yeah, but where are you from? What school did you go to? And when I was filming content for the Ellis and John cinematic universe, the night before, I was sort of, um, I wouldn't say dismissive, but I was, I was quite flippant about it. And having not gone, been to watch before, I hadn't realised how emotional a day it is for everyone who's watching. Because I got on the train, so I caught the train to Chadwell and at the station I got on at,
29:41 Speaker 00 everyone was going to the marathon, like a cup final, but everyone had made signs.
29:44 Speaker 02 And also everyone's on the same team.
29:46 Speaker 00 And everyone's on the same team.
29:46 Speaker 01 Also, it's a cup, it's a cup final with 10 times the capacity of any stadium in the country.
29:51 Speaker 00 And it's the cup final where everyone's supporting the same thing and you can't lose.
29:54 Speaker 02 Yeah.
29:55 Speaker 00 It's true, yeah. So I've never experienced anything like it. And everyone had their own mid-signs. I thought, it did occur to me to make a whole mid-sign.
30:04 Speaker 02 I was sat down against a wall at the end, wishing, wishing the world would end, looking very grey. Guess who comes and sits next to me?
30:13 Speaker 02 Sebastian Vettel.
30:14 Speaker 01 I'll tell you this, Ellis, there may have been a whiff of tropical fruits about him.
30:20 Speaker 00 Not Davy.
30:21 Speaker 02 Davy comes and sits down right next to me and we have a chat. And we shoot the breeze for about 15 minutes.
30:28 Speaker 00 Did he recognise you?
30:29 Speaker 02 No, but I did say, and he said, oh, doing well, that podcast's doing well, which immediately made me think he's never listened. Because he was very complimentary about it.
30:37 Speaker 01 That's fine.
30:37 Speaker 02 Because he would have, he would have gone, oh, oh, right.
30:40 Speaker 01 The one with me eating Mr. Whiffies all the time.
30:43 Speaker 02 So there would have been a nod, there would have been a glint in the eye. There wasn't that, so I think he's aware, but at the same time.
30:48 Speaker 01 But you can see his eyes from his wraparound shades, could you, Dave?
30:52 Speaker 00 So he'd run the mar, he wasn't there in his, in a BBC capacity.
30:54 Speaker 02 He'd run the marathon.
30:56 Speaker 01 Head buried in a knickerbocker glory.
31:02 Speaker 02 The guy is nearly, I think the guy is 60, Glenn.
31:05 Speaker 00 But I mean, you know.
31:07 Speaker 02 He did it.
31:07 Speaker 00 Raspberry ripples are not a charity.
31:10 Speaker 02 He did it in three hours, 12. At 60.
31:15 Speaker 00 I don't see how that's possible.
31:18 Speaker 02 Especially on his diet.
31:20 Speaker 01 A lot of carb loading.
31:22 Speaker 00 I don't see how that's possible, three hours, 12.
31:24 Speaker 02 It's amazing.
31:25 Speaker 00 That's absolutely remarkable.
31:27 Speaker 02 So, ah, lovely chat with him. Nice guy. Shot the breeze and just talked, you know, talked running tips and how he fits it in all in and stuff like that. BBC 10 year was.
31:34 Speaker 00 Wow.
31:35 Speaker 01 What was your favourite stretch of the, the route?
31:39 Speaker 02 Hit flexors. Cutty Sark.
31:42 Speaker 01 Really?
31:42 Speaker 02 Because you still feel great and you think this is how you will run for the full race. So there's so much hope and there's so much excitement because you think, I'm gonna, can I do 230? I can't, can I? I'm gonna do a 230 marathon here.
31:54 Speaker 00 The winner, his cadence doesn't change at all.
31:56 Speaker 02 No.
31:57 Speaker 00 And then he's Harry Styles. He's exactly the same for three, well, one hour, 59 minutes and 30 seconds. It's incredible.
32:05 Speaker 02 So, yeah, Cutty Sark for me.
32:07 Speaker 00 What about you, John?
32:08 Speaker 01 Um, I enjoyed Cutty Sark. Greenwich is difficult because it's nine kilometres and then you're just on the other side of the field that you started from. And I did, I did say at one point, how are we still in **** Greenwich?
32:20 Speaker 00 Yeah.
32:20 Speaker 01 And a few people around me laughed.
32:24 Speaker 01 I.
32:25 Speaker 02 It's like the Greenwich marathon, isn't it?
32:27 Speaker 01 I really liked the bit between Greenwich and Tower Bridge where you're going through more residential areas. And there's like families sat on their front gardens.
32:35 Speaker 00 Yeah, London to Brighton, the British Heart Foundation bike rides are that. It's people in their gardens having cups of tea, cheering you on. It's really nice.
32:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:42 Speaker 01 And the Rainbow Road is, I found, very emotional just because you do, you're going through so many different parts of London. And you're just experiencing all these little stretches of different things. And it just, just sort of feel very, very positive, like the day after the Brexit referendum. And I walked through them setting up the pride march and started to cry.
33:03 Speaker 00 Yeah.
33:03 Speaker 01 Because I was like, oh, maybe things aren't completely.
33:05 Speaker 00 Yeah.
33:06 Speaker 01 I mean, you know, it's not worked out particularly well. For the economy, but you know, you, you feel.
33:13 Speaker 00 You got your country back.
33:15 Speaker 01 You do feel that like all of those cliches about London, you know, London is open, London is welcome, but they are actually true at times.
33:24 Speaker 02 It did feel like that on Sunday.
33:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
33:26 Speaker 02 It really did.
33:27 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah. Tower Bridge, I was watching you on the little map crossing Tower Bridge and Tower Bridge, I love Tower Bridge because it is proper postcard London, like what Americans think London is.
33:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
33:39 Speaker 00 So the fact that everyone gets to run across it.
33:42 Speaker 01 But then you have to go through this bit where it's like you're lost for six kilometres.
33:45 Speaker 02 Well, Isle of Dogs.
33:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
33:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, horrible business.
33:48 Speaker 01 But it's, I didn't mind it in terms of.
33:50 Speaker 00 Were there many punters there?
33:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, there were loads.
33:52 Speaker 02 There are more now than there used to be.
33:53 Speaker 01 But you're like, it's like no one knows where they're going because you keep going, weaving around in circles. You think, when does this end?
34:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's endless. That is, that is an endless part of it. Um, yeah, there was one point where I just, I was, um, I was kind of geeing myself by saying, come on, you've got this. You do know what I'm writing. The guy next to me went, yeah, cheers, mate. Thank you. Thinking I was talking to him. So like, sorry, I was just talking to my son. But then we had a lovely chat for 10 minutes.
34:15 Speaker 01 That's nice.
34:16 Speaker 02 Yeah. When I could still talk whilst I was running.
34:18 Speaker 01 I think it would be a very different experience if you're running with a friend or someone else from the same charity or just someone.
34:24 Speaker 00 Running club.
34:25 Speaker 01 Someone to talk to.
34:26 Speaker 02 Well, I started with George Lewis.
34:28 Speaker 01 Did you?
34:28 Speaker 02 Me and George started together.
34:30 Speaker 00 Yeah, when I, I missed, the first time you ran through Shadowland, I missed you, but I did see George.
34:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
34:35 Speaker 00 So when I saw George, I thought, oh, Dave, I'm bound to see him now. But I didn't know what you were dressed in.
34:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think I made him start. I didn't really share what I was wearing.
34:43 Speaker 00 Looking back, I should have asked you what colour your top was.
34:45 Speaker 02 Yes.
34:46 Speaker 00 Anyway, lovely stuff.
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36:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, so thank you, everyone. Everyone who came down, everyone who sent us messages, and everyone who donated. And for those of you who... Thanks to Superdrug for sponsoring the run.
36:45 Speaker 02 We need to reach out to Superdrug at this point. They're missing a trick here, because the amount of free publicity, the free promo they've got.
36:52 Speaker 01 Free promo.
36:53 Speaker 02 Is there a Cara out today, Michael? Is that the plan?
36:55 Speaker 01 Oh, there's a Maricara.
36:56 Speaker 02 There's a special Maricara.
36:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, with some stills of the action.
37:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, absolutely.
37:03 Speaker 01 And then, as we said, the content will be up on the Ellison John Cinematic Universe. We have a couple of emails about the marathon, Dave.
37:10 Speaker 02 Yep.
37:12 Speaker 01 This is from...
37:18 Speaker 02 The Maracara, just to explain, is a collection of pictures on Instagram that you can follow on our Ellis and John socials.
37:25 Speaker 00 Yes, Izzy doesn't know what a carousel is. Certainly doesn't know what a car is and didn't realise that marathons are referred to as maras. And I said, I can't wait for the Maracara. And she said, I don't know what that means.
37:36 Speaker 02 So, search at Ellis and John and you'll find it.
37:39 Speaker 01 This is from Beth. Beth says, dearest brave runners John and Dave and brave supporter Ellis, well done boys. Now that's out of the way, I just want to email to pass on my thanks to your incredible team who's created an amazingly positive vibe in the run to win and hate yourself fan zone.
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37:54 Speaker 01 Despite what it looked like, despite what looked like some tricky coordination, having to deal with us listeners getting in their way, they were so lovely to chat to and made what can be a tricky and tiring day of watching people run a marathon very exciting and smooth. Yeah, it's also worth saying it's very overwhelming for supporters too, because you are rammed in.
38:12 Speaker 02 And you're trying to move around.
38:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, but they do this nice thing where like if it's your person coming up on the app, people sort of let you get to the front of the raid.
38:19 Speaker 00 Which doesn't happen any other sporting event. So, sorry, I really like Gareth Bale, so for the free kick, can I go to the front?
38:26 Speaker 01 I got a little emotional when John first went by at 13 miles, by which point a larger crowd of us had gathered and the cheers when everyone spotted him were some of the loudest I heard all day. Such a brilliant thing to be a small part of. It was also so nice to meet lots of other listeners. So, thank you for putting that day together and letting us come along to cheer you. The London Marathon is such a special event and today was no different. Congratulations to all involved. Here's to the Hackney half. So, we should have a round of applause for all the Significant Productions crew.
38:56 Speaker 02 Oh, absolutely.
38:57 Speaker 01 Who put in an enormous shift that day.
38:59 Speaker 02 Michael, Jenny, Joe and Gareth. A lot of coordination, a lot of logistics went into some of that.
39:05 Speaker 00 But Gareth's very easy to find because he's six foot five.
39:07 Speaker 02 He's massive.
39:08 Speaker 00 So, he's massive.
39:09 Speaker 01 Ellis, do you want to read the next one because it really made me laugh?
39:12 Speaker 00 Hello, my fuzzy little bumblebees. I went to London at the weekend under the guise of supporting my wife Richland in the marathon. I was actually there to cheer on John and Dave. I missed Dave at the seven mile point because he's dead, dead nipper. And I didn't recognise him without glasses and wearing a headband. And the tracking app showed that John and my wife were almost neck and neck.
39:32 Speaker 01 Wow.
39:33 Speaker 00 We spotted Rachel in the distance running towards us and started cheering. She came over to the barrier and stopped to talk with me and our children. John must have passed us while she was chatting, how inconsiderate and selfish of her. Because the tracker now showed he was already beyond us. There was still hope. We crossed the Thames and found a good spot in mudshoe at the 17 mile point. We missed Dave again because he's dead, dead nipper. Rachel and John were still only seconds apart on the tracker. Rachel came into view first. Again, she stopped for a chat. "Don't stop, you're doing brilliantly", I said, trying to sound motivational rather than disinterested. "How are you all? How's your day going?", she asked. "Yep, great. Yeah, yeah. Keep going. Well done. I love it."
40:14 Speaker 00 Rachel told me later that my eyes were darting around all over the place. And then I seemed very distracted and reluctant to chat. In my defence, we were there to cheer her on, not discuss how her days were going.
40:27 Speaker 00 I've seen Rachel almost every day for the last 25 years. And I didn't want to miss the chance to see one of the youngest broadcasters in the future sphere because of some small talk with my wife. Rachel eventually got the message and continued on her way.
40:45 Speaker 00 She's running a marathon. Seconds later, Johnny JR came into view.
40:50 Speaker 01 Yes, great.
40:51 Speaker 00 All was forgiven from Rachel later when she saw my excitement in the attached video. She too is a big fan. It's been a joy. It's been a joy to follow your running journey for the last few years, to see you running a marathon and smiling at the same time is a real honour. Huge congratulations and thanks for all the years of top quality content. Big love, George.
41:10 Speaker 01 And a lovely still. I don't know if that's a still from a video. But that's, I mean, even then, both feet in contact with the ground at the same time.
41:17 Speaker 00 I'm saying, is your toes, though?
41:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's true. And everyone else who's around you are also both on the ground. That's true.
41:23 Speaker 00 Yeah. It looks like everyone's, and this sounds like a criticism, but it does look like everyone's shuffling.
41:27 Speaker 01 Also, my salt tablets are about to fall out of that pocket because they did fall out.
41:32 Speaker 00 I lost two gels.
41:33 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:33 Speaker 00 Yeah.
41:34 Speaker 01 Oh, there's some, like, right at the start, you see just, like, Yeah. gel apocalypse on the floor and someone's obviously dropped all their gels.
41:42 Speaker 00 Yeah. The cleaner must be massive.
41:44 Speaker 01 Unreal. I mean, there's sixty thousand runners.
41:49 Speaker 00 Yeah.
41:49 Speaker 01 Just below. They must prepare a bottle of water at each station for every runner. They must do.
41:56 Speaker 00 There's water everywhere.
41:58 Speaker 01 So there's gotta be six hundred thousand to a million bottles of water. And bear in mind, ninety percent of them end up on the road.
42:06 Speaker 00 Yeah.
42:07 Speaker 01 I mean, the amount of people that must roll their heels and roll their ankles, I mean.
42:11 Speaker 00 Yeah.
42:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, I thought that.
42:14 Speaker 01 So, yes, there we go. There we go. And the VIP experience, I have to say, was pretty nice, wasn't it, Dave?
42:20 Speaker 00 Talk to me about the toilets, because my friend Steph from distant part saw a woman poo on the street during the Berlin Marathon. So I've always been intrigued by the toilet sit.
42:33 Speaker 01 Well, the toilets in the media centre were, I didn't need any advanced toilets at all, because I'd woken up at half four.
42:43 Speaker 00 All right.
42:43 Speaker 01 So I'd, I'd coffeeed, teed, bagelled, porraged, toileted, toileted, toileted, toileted.
42:50 Speaker 00 Yeah.
42:50 Speaker 01 In the comfort of my own Airbnb.
42:52 Speaker 00 Perfect.
42:53 Speaker 01 I was, I get lots of nervy wheeze, though, that's my situation. But luckily, the urinals were almost unused. There was just a queue for the cubicles.
43:02 Speaker 00 Yes.
43:03 Speaker 01 Um, so they were fine and they had food on and I met Jasmine Paris.
43:08 Speaker 00 Oh.
43:08 Speaker 01 Who's a hero of mine.
43:09 Speaker 00 What's the food like? I suppose it's all carbs, is it?
43:13 Speaker 01 It's like overnight oats and croissants and omelettes. I'm not sure I would have gone for an omelette just before.
43:19 Speaker 00 God, no.
43:19 Speaker 01 Um, and just like drinks and stuff.
43:22 Speaker 00 Hmm.
43:22 Speaker 01 Um.
43:23 Speaker 00 It is exciting. I think you should do another.
43:26 Speaker 01 No. No, no, thank you. No, thank you.
43:31 Speaker 00 No, thank you.
43:32 Speaker 01 No, thanks.
43:33 Speaker 00 I'd rather die.
43:36 Speaker 01 I'm not, I'm not gonna take you up on it, I'll put.
43:38 Speaker 00 No, because my legs feel like they're gonna come off. But I love my obliqued legs.
43:45 Speaker 01 Right then, more emails.
43:48 Speaker 00 This is one, this is a complete gear change, a topic change, but one that I think especially suits John. Dear Alice, Dave, and really mostly John, I'm an Irishman living in London and I would like to be part of the curry scene.
44:04 Speaker 01 Welcome.
44:06 Speaker 00 In Ireland, I didn't know this. It may or may not surprise you, going for a curry is far less common an evening out than it is in the UK. I did not know that.
44:16 Speaker 01 Well, I had one of the worst curries I've ever had in Ireland, one John's Irish Odyssey, when I took eight cans of Magnus into a curry house on an industrial estate.
44:25 Speaker 00 Yes, you did, during one of your many low ebbs. Yeah. I know that all three of you possess the bona fides to provide me with my inn. Where do I go? Will any restaurant suffice? Do I go big chain or local favourite? And this is in bold. What do I order? As a self-employed, single available man, I'm often in John's position of finding myself hankering for sustenance relatively early in the evening. I would like to head to a restaurant solo, but I'm afraid of getting it wrong. Dan, I go to restaurants on my own all the time. I love it. I actually prefer it.
44:57 Speaker 01 Especially early, when it's pretty empty.
44:59 Speaker 00 I would like to head to a restaurant solo, but I'm afraid of getting it wrong. You can't get it wrong. It's brilliant. Stick a book or the paper or magazine or your phone, it's great. I hope to hear from you soon, as until then I will have to continue eating dry basmati directly from the bag. Best, Dan the Irishman. Now, now I'm assuming that Dan doesn't eat very spicy food.
45:20 Speaker 01 Why are you assuming that?
45:21 Speaker 00 Well, because he's, he's not used to curry. And he doesn't know how to order a curry, so where would it, what would his spice experience be?
45:31 Speaker 01 Well, he might be big in the English mustard scene. He might be a wasabi head.
45:34 Speaker 00 But I was big in the English mustard scene.
45:36 Speaker 01 He might down bottles of Frank's red hot sauce every night.
45:40 Speaker 00 It's so unlikely.
45:43 Speaker 00 So he's, we're gonna start.
45:44 Speaker 01 Maybe he's a big Thai guy.
45:47 Speaker 00 Yeah, I suppose.
45:48 Speaker 01 But I would say, go by just Google reviews, as in on Google Maps, search Indian restaurant in the area you want to go, and anything above four and a half is great.
45:59 Speaker 00 Yeah, but do remember, if you're really into the curry scene, you've got to go in full kit, full curry kit.
46:04 Speaker 02 What's that then?
46:07 Speaker 00 Football shirt of a local Sunday League team that's sponsored by The Curry House.
46:09 Speaker 02 Oh, nice, okay.
46:10 Speaker 00 And shorts and socks and boots.
46:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
46:12 Speaker 00 With boot bag.
46:13 Speaker 01 And naans as shin pads.
46:17 Speaker 01 I would say, look, London, Brick Lane is the place everyone talks about in London. I would avoid Brick Lane, it's quite full on, and.
46:24 Speaker 02 They, they try and get you in off the, they're quite pushy, I find, on Brick Lane.
46:28 Speaker 01 And I think, I'm not sure you can necessarily trust the Google reviews, because it's the sort of place where you basically have to leave a five star review or they won't let you out of the restaurant. But you can check out, like, magazines do good guides of like, the decent ones on Brick Lane if you want to go there.
46:45 Speaker 00 Yeah, and there's, you know, Time Out do sort of, like a takeaway awards and all that kind of stuff.
46:51 Speaker 01 But I would say, the, the menu at the restaurant is a bit overwhelming, so maybe Google it before you go. There's always like, menus on the website or on photos of them, so have in your head. I would go for a side, a main, and maybe a rogue choice, so you've got a little selection. If you're going alone, I would go rice or naan, not both, don't fill up with carbs. If you're going with a friend, share rice, share a naan.
47:19 Speaker 00 Definitely, yeah.
47:21 Speaker 01 And.
47:22 Speaker 00 Papa Doms do have mango.
47:24 Speaker 01 I don't have Papa Doms because it fills me up.
47:26 Speaker 02 I love a Papa Dom.
47:27 Speaker 00 I love a Papa Dom.
47:28 Speaker 02 I love a pop.
47:28 Speaker 01 But then, approach it via, approach it via your protein. So you're trying to get your spice level and your protein to converge.
47:37 Speaker 00 It's a marriage.
47:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, so for me, it's prawn, right? And it's spicy prawn, so that's already taking most of the menu out of the equation. They will often be able to advise you, so I would say, if I were you, I want a mild chicken dish, I want a medium spicy lamb dish, what would you recommend?
47:54 Speaker 00 I like huul, if you've got anything that tastes like that.
47:58 Speaker 01 Just bear in mind that Corma is like the go to.
48:01 Speaker 00 Mild dish.
48:02 Speaker 01 But it is so sweet.
48:03 Speaker 00 It is.
48:04 Speaker 01 It's a very different landscape.
48:06 Speaker 00 It is. It's a good one to try with kids though, because it's so sweet.
48:08 Speaker 01 But it's actually does sometimes taste like pudding. It's so sweet.
48:11 Speaker 00 Yeah, I quite like that.
48:14 Speaker 01 So don't, don't be afraid to over order and, you know, share, have a bit of this, have a bit of that.
48:21 Speaker 00 I want curry now.
48:22 Speaker 01 How specials.
48:23 Speaker 00 Oh god, I do want a curry now.
48:25 Speaker 01 But you can't really get it wrong unless you go for a naga and something with like five chilies next to it on the menu.
48:32 Speaker 00 And they'll often, they will tell you if, if by mistake you've ordered the spiciest thing on the menu, they will say.
48:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:38 Speaker 00 Mate, are you, are you sure?
48:39 Speaker 01 But I would ask the waiter's advice. Read reviews and see what people recommend.
48:44 Speaker 00 Tell them you're Irish. Say it's not part of the Irish scene.
48:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:47 Speaker 00 Maybe go with an Irish person who's moved to England before you.
48:53 Speaker 01 And if you had to bring your own place, you know.
48:56 Speaker 00 In terms of booze?
48:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, people always take loads of cans of like Stella and whatever. Really juicy, sweetish, I don't mean sweetish, but like off dry white wines go really well with curry.
49:12 Speaker 01 Just, that's all I was thinking about throughout the whole thing. But like a New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc,
49:20 Speaker 01 a riesling, but not a dry riesling.
49:22 Speaker 00 Yeah, leave it. Let's move on.
49:26 Speaker 01 You want something peachy, something sort of gooseberryish.
49:31 Speaker 00 It's very easy to overeat.
49:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, but only if you're getting rice in a naan. If you're eating a whole naan bread and a whole rice, you're mad.
49:40 Speaker 00 Yeah, but it is easily done.
49:43 Speaker 01 It's very easily done. I would go, if you want just an average curry, I would go for like a balti. The balti on the menu is often not too spicy. It's quite rich. It's not hugely far away from the world you might be familiar with.
49:59 Speaker 00 Yeah.
50:00 Speaker 01 Um, but you know, my choice, it will be a garlic chili prawn. Or a something like that.
50:07 Speaker 02 Are you a Jalf had?
50:08 Speaker 01 No, I'm not a Jalf had.
50:09 Speaker 00 I like Jalf.
50:09 Speaker 02 I like, I'm a Jalf had.
50:11 Speaker 01 I don't like peppers.
50:12 Speaker 02 Oh, right.
50:13 Speaker 01 I don't like green peppers.
50:14 Speaker 00 As well. Yeah.
50:17 Speaker 00 Had some great moments with Madras.
50:20 Speaker 01 This is from, this is from Anders in Barrow-in-Furness. Afternoon, my lovely half-back pairing. Ellis has mentioned a few times recently with a cheeky Welsh giggle, how people in days of yore would think nothing of smoking in the sporting arena. With this in the mind, I give you the career of Puig Albert, universally accepted as the greatest French rugby league player of all time.
50:44 Speaker 00 It's very interesting, French Rugby League, because it's really, does play second fiddle to rugby union. Sorry, that's for a different podcast.
50:52 Speaker 01 It went downhill after very interesting, didn't it?
50:54 Speaker 00 But I would like to talk to someone about it, but not, not you, neither of you.
50:59 Speaker 01 He played four back.
51:00 Speaker 00 Do you like French Rugby League?
51:02 Speaker 02 No. I'm gonna be all out of luck here, I think. Get Bubbins on the phone.
51:07 Speaker 00 Yeah.
51:07 Speaker 01 Ellis, even the listeners to your sports podcasts don't like French Rugby League.
51:10 Speaker 00 They don't like French Rugby League, no, but it did play second fiddle. It's just an interesting story.
51:15 Speaker 01 Is it?
51:16 Speaker 00 Yeah.
51:17 Speaker 02 But, but, but hold on, sorry, John.
51:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
51:19 Speaker 02 Um, it played second, but in England.
51:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's the same, Dave.
51:23 Speaker 02 Isn't it the same?
51:24 Speaker 01 Don't poke the bear, especially because he's gonna say very interesting and then French Rugby League again.
51:30 Speaker 01 Trying to turn back the tide, like.
51:32 Speaker 00 No, no. It was different because English Rugby League went, it went professional.
51:37 Speaker 02 It did.
51:38 Speaker 00 So it was completely, it was two different codes. And certainly in the north of England, rugby league is dominant in comparison to rugby union. You should know that, Dave.
51:45 Speaker 02 Well, actually, Ellis, at our school, we were, I think, the best rugby union team in the whole of the region.
51:52 Speaker 01 You're listening to Ellis and John, brought to you by Superdrug.
51:55 Speaker 00 That's because your little lord, Fodleroy, Dave.
51:57 Speaker 02 No, I'm not, absolutely not. State school through and through, I'll have you know.
52:00 Speaker 00 Uh, yeah, sorry, I, I mustn't.
52:04 Speaker 02 But if there are any listeners to Ellis and John who want to email me about French rugby league and Michael, don't you dare filter out these emails. Send them to [email protected] . A socially distant sports bar available on BBC Sounds these days, of course. Isn't that a treat? That is a treat and we can say that, that's fine. Disney bar, Disney bar, Disney bar, Disney bar.
52:24 Speaker 01 French rugby league player of all time. He played fullback for Carcassonne in the 1940s and 50s. He also captained the 1951 French tourists who beat Australia in Australia in a three match series. The last time, uh, last team to achieve this feat. To say our Puig was a maverick would be an understatement. If a teammate missed a tackle, he would in turn miss his tackle, believing this saved his teammate's blushes. And after scoring a try, he was occasionally known to leave a poem behind the try line mocking the opposition. I now get to the point of this email. At Carcassonne's ground, there is a statue of Monsieur Aubert catching the ball one handed during a match against Wigan. The reason he caught the ball one handed, you guessed it, the other hand was holding a cigarette he was smoking mid game.
53:08 Speaker 01 Thanks for the content and laughs anders in Barren Forness.
53:11 Speaker 02 Good stuff.
53:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
53:15 Speaker 02 That's good stuff.
53:16 Speaker 01 Very good stuff.
53:17 Speaker 02 Does anyone have any ibuprofen? Because I've done my back in from the squats.
53:21 Speaker 01 I do, Dave.
53:23 Speaker 02 Have you? I've got some pills. Oh, no, I haven't. I wouldn't mind a little bit of just something that's going to take the, the inflammation away because sitting here is really. Dave, thanks off. John, why did you challenge me? Such a stupid challenge.
53:37 Speaker 01 You were the one who wanted to run down the streets of Dusk. While I'm wearing hiking boots.
53:43 Speaker 02 It sounds romantic there, doesn't it?
53:45 Speaker 01 Not sprinting, again, we could go on a romantic date and then suggest to your partner, shall, shall we have a race?
53:53 Speaker 02 Anything that happens at Dusk to me immediately sounds fantastic. I love Dusk. It's the best.
53:59 Speaker 01 We've had a wonderful email from our Michelangelo Emily, because we talked about Emily's piece on nostalgia.
54:08 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
54:09 Speaker 01 The sort of cartoons that she drew, which were on the Cara last week. So you can find that on, follow the Ellis and John account on Instagram. But then obviously I corrected Emily, the only flaw in the beautiful rendition she created was that we drive, we sit on the right hand side of the car. So Emily has drawn us another.
54:30 Speaker 00 She's not.
54:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, of her listening to the podcast and us saying she's the next Michelangelo. And then me saying we drive on the left. That is a superb picture.
54:42 Speaker 00 Yeah, she is.
54:43 Speaker 01 That is really something.
54:45 Speaker 00 Is it a full time job?
54:48 Speaker 01 Should be.
54:48 Speaker 00 She is brilliant.
54:49 Speaker 01 She should be painting the Sistine Chapel with cartoons of Ellis and John and Dave.
54:54 Speaker 00 Yeah. So, hi, John, Ellis and Dave. I nearly fell over hearing you discuss my drawings on the pod. Absolutely honoured to be featured. Thank you. Please find my official right to reply attached in the form of a new sketch. I've addressed my shame of the left hand scandal to avoid any further international incidents. Keep up the inspiration.
55:15 Speaker 00 Cheers from Newcastle, Michelangelo crossed out Emily.
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56:26 Speaker 04 1965, London. The world's largest uncut diamond has been stolen from the Natural History Museum. Shortly after, a young London window cleaner is arrested.
56:39 Speaker 05 They said, "You're nicked. You're in a lot of trouble."
56:41 Speaker 04 But was he set up?
56:42 Speaker 05 Wanted ad led to a fall of two cops.
56:45 Speaker 04 His family say he is guilty, but of a totally different crime.
56:50 Speaker 06 You're not going to end up going to prison, are you, kiddo?
56:53 Speaker 04 I'm Jaycee Long, and this is Rough Diamond. Listen now wherever you get your podcasts.
57:03 Speaker 01 We shall now discuss two more things. We shall discuss an appearance of Ellis and John on the Eridite Channel, because we had a message in from Joanne. Joanne says, "Hi, Todgers. I'm a listener to your delightful show and at the age of 38, also a devotee of Radio 4, because I'm super cool. Anyway, I was listening to an episode of Feedback the other day, hosted by Andrea Cathcart Wood, and nearly fell off my chair. They only went and did a segment about your show." Yeah, it's huge. The main focus of the episode was podcast visualisation, and they asked two fans of the pod to record voice notes as to why they liked the show, how they consumed it.
57:44 Speaker 01 And Joanne very kindly omits another fact there, is like whether they would see value in watching it or pay for that privilege. My favourite bit was- And what chilling conclusions they gave.
57:55 Speaker 10 No, balanced.
57:56 Speaker 01 My favourite bit was as if the BBC were going to do a big old ad. My favourite bit was when the two listeners, Emma and Chris, decided what they liked about the show. "Wonder what you'll think of Chris's comments? I've attached a clip for you." And we've got those clips now. Let's have a little listen.
58:12 Speaker 11 I think I discovered them pretty much as they started on Five Live, and I hadn't listened to them when they had been on commercial radio before that. And I just, I found them extremely funny and entertaining. And they're not too much younger than me, so a lot of their content was quite relatable.
58:31 Speaker 10 This is going to sound a little bit cruel, but it's the lack of sort of professionalism about it, the fact that it doesn't feel scripted and that, you know, it's a warts and all effect.
58:42 Speaker 01 Well, I did defib training about three months ago. Did you? Yeah. It was nice. Did you?
58:48 Speaker 00 I was the face of the British Heart Foundation.
58:50 Speaker 02 New work.
58:50 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
58:51 Speaker 02 Campaign.
58:52 Speaker 00 We talked about this.
58:52 Speaker 02 So thanks.
58:53 Speaker 00 No, no.
58:54 Speaker 02 Obviously it's cut through.
58:55 Speaker 10 And there is an element of perhaps banality about what they're doing.
58:59 Speaker 02 Banality.
59:00 Speaker 10 That's quite comforting and it makes you feel that you're sort of part of their world, I guess, to a certain extent.
59:07 Speaker 00 I.
59:07 Speaker 02 There's a bit in there.
59:08 Speaker 00 When I, when I got told that we were on feedback, I was on the train and I had my headphones. So I was able to listen immediately. So I was listening, someone gave me a time code. So within a minute of the text arriving, I was like, great, I'm in.
59:25 Speaker 02 You need this pick me up today.
59:26 Speaker 00 When, is it Chris? When he described us as unprofessional and banal, I howled with laughter. I was howling with laughter. We've been doing this show for 12 years.
59:40 Speaker 02 We have.
59:41 Speaker 00 We haven't.
59:42 Speaker 02 This is charm, right?
59:43 Speaker 00 We haven't improved.
59:45 Speaker 02 Well.
59:46 Speaker 00 Oh, Chris loves it though.
59:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
59:47 Speaker 00 Well, yeah.
59:47 Speaker 02 They were both very warm and very kind.
59:49 Speaker 00 Positive. It's just such a funny thing.
59:51 Speaker 01 Chris was clear, he wasn't going to pay to watch it.
59:53 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's fine.
59:54 Speaker 01 And that's fine.
59:54 Speaker 00 Not everyone has to.
59:55 Speaker 01 That's why not everyone has to.
59:57 Speaker 00 Just some people need to. And they do have to. That's absolutely fine. I've got no problem with that at all.
1:00:01 Speaker 02 Absolutely not.
1:00:02 Speaker 00 You carry on, Chris.
1:00:03 Speaker 01 That's why, you know, it's all available to all, apart from new stuff.
1:00:08 Speaker 00 Which.
1:00:09 Speaker 01 Because not everyone wants to sit down and watch, you know, three handsome guys at the absolute peak of their physical position. Fail to do 10 squats.
1:00:17 Speaker 00 Oh no, of course. That's an, oh no. Watching me bent over double with my back going two days after a marathon.
1:00:24 Speaker 01 Um, so thank you so much for sending that in, Joanne.
1:00:27 Speaker 00 And thank you to Em and Chris.
1:00:29 Speaker 01 Yes, thank you so much for sending in your, your voice notes to, uh.
1:00:33 Speaker 00 Feedback.
1:00:34 Speaker 01 Feedback. Um, we're now going to end on some marathon ask us anythings, but if you are full to the gills of marathon content, you can now stop listening.
1:00:42 Speaker 00 Yeah, just throw your phone out the window.
1:00:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, just throw your phone out the window.
1:00:45 Speaker 00 Just get another one. Throw it out the window and get another one.
1:00:48 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:00:49 Speaker 00 Ask us anything, marathon special?
1:00:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:00:51 Speaker 00 Here we go. Oh, yeah.
1:01:27 Speaker 01 Right then, Dave, pick your four favourite quizzies.
1:01:31 Speaker 02 From Mark, John, did the bum cream work?
1:01:34 Speaker 01 Yes. I mean, I didn't actually use the bum cream in the end, I just used-
1:01:38 Speaker 02 We didn't use Ask Magic.
1:01:39 Speaker 01 No, I used the Body Glide.
1:01:40 Speaker 02 And at what point in the-
1:01:42 Speaker 00 Up the bum?
1:01:43 Speaker 01 Everywhere.
1:01:44 Speaker 02 Yeah. And at what point did you apply it, just out of interest?
1:01:46 Speaker 00 Mile 13.
1:01:48 Speaker 01 Once before I left the house and once while I was being approached by a producer to tell me Gabby Logan was ready to speak to me.
1:01:55 Speaker 02 It was insane. I was stood right next to him and he said, "I'm sorry, I've got to do this now." And now she's trying to just, you know, move him across to where Gabby is.
1:02:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, get my earpiece in.
1:02:06 Speaker 02 That's where the application-
1:02:07 Speaker 01 Slipping out all over my ears.
1:02:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:02:10 Speaker 00 Quick shake of the hand with Gabby Logan?
1:02:14 Speaker 01 But that was a really nice-
1:02:15 Speaker 00 That's why she broadcasts with gloves on.
1:02:17 Speaker 01 It was really nice to chat to Gabby and yes, the cream worked amazingly. Like, didn't have- Here's another major positive, I didn't, none of my injuries flared up.
1:02:27 Speaker 00 How were your feet? Your feet looked good. I saw your feet at the end, actually.
1:02:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, feet were okay. They were weird, I mean, very achy, but no, I didn't lose any toenails.
1:02:35 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:02:36 Speaker 01 I didn't get any blisters. I didn't S myself. And a lot of the signs are focused on those things happening that people hold up. So in terms of like, I didn't get any, all I've got is ache.
1:02:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:02:49 Speaker 01 So very pleased with that.
1:02:50 Speaker 02 Which fancy dress runner beating you hurt the most?
1:02:53 Speaker 01 Microphone.
1:02:54 Speaker 02 Microphone. Oh, I know the microphone guy. Dan. Yeah.
1:02:59 Speaker 00 Ventolin inhaler?
1:03:00 Speaker 01 Didn't see them.
1:03:01 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:03:02 Speaker 01 I mean, there were many to choose from. By the end, it was just lots, but that was the first one.
1:03:07 Speaker 02 I had Gingerbread Man beat me.
1:03:09 Speaker 01 That was when I knew-
1:03:10 Speaker 00 I saw Gingerbread Man beat you.
1:03:12 Speaker 01 Things were tricky.
1:03:12 Speaker 00 I also saw you being beaten by a guy dressed as a Russian cosmonaut. Like a sort of Yuri Gagarin.
1:03:19 Speaker 02 Alice, I-
1:03:20 Speaker 00 Yeah, I'm not having a go.
1:03:21 Speaker 02 I didn't overtake a single person for the last seven miles.
1:03:26 Speaker 02 There is not one person that I.
1:03:28 Speaker 00 It's such a long way.
1:03:30 Speaker 02 It's so long.
1:03:31 Speaker 00 It's mad.
1:03:32 Speaker 01 The only people I overtook were being carried away by paramedics.
1:03:36 Speaker 02 Yeah, they were going essentially backwards at that point.
1:03:38 Speaker 01 They were going backwards.
1:03:41 Speaker 02 Good. What else have we got? How much did sleep did you get the night before? You woke up early, didn't you?
1:03:47 Speaker 01 I did wake up early, but.
1:03:48 Speaker 00 With nerves?
1:03:49 Speaker 01 Um, I was in.
1:03:53 Speaker 00 You were up at four, you texted me at four.
1:03:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'd had a mega nap the afternoon before and I was so well prepped to not panic if I didn't get much sleep. Cause everyone says, look, you're not going to get much sleep and my sleep's been so good for so long. I was like, I've got enough in the tank and I slept for five hours.
1:04:12 Speaker 00 Oh, that's all right.
1:04:12 Speaker 01 So it was fine. I did try to get back to sleep, but you know, try doing that when you're starting to go, okay, we start off at five thirty fives. No, we'll start at five forty ones and then we'll run a negative split.
1:04:24 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:04:24 Speaker 01 We'll run the second half quicker than the first half and you need to have a gel every four kilometres. Okay. Cause you need 90 carbs, 90 grams of carbs an hour. Yeah, I'll just pop off back to sleep.
1:04:34 Speaker 00 Yeah. Try, try to put the bump stuff on before you shake hands.
1:04:39 Speaker 02 Oh, well, George Lewis went into a mini shame well because he went to shake Sebastian Vettel's hand, but Sebastian Vettel went for the nucks. So George kind of grabbed his hand, but then Sebastian Vettel was not moving from the nucks.
1:04:50 Speaker 01 Okay. When Dave says nucks, he means a fist bump.
1:04:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
1:04:53 Speaker 01 No one's called it nucks before.
1:04:55 Speaker 00 Oh, I call it nucks to my kids.
1:04:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, we're not your kids.
1:05:00 Speaker 00 Fist bump.
1:05:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, there we go.
1:05:01 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:05:02 Speaker 01 He's going straight for the nucks. You're having to put that together in your own head.
1:05:07 Speaker 00 Well, I always say tush. That's what I do.
1:05:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, tush, because you're cool.
1:05:10 Speaker 00 Cause I'm cool, yeah.
1:05:11 Speaker 02 But Vettel was not moving from the nucks.
1:05:13 Speaker 01 No, of course not.
1:05:15 Speaker 02 I forgot. Anyway, yes. One question for you, Alice. Were you nervous on behalf of John and Dave?
1:05:22 Speaker 00 Yes.
1:05:23 Speaker 02 Were you?
1:05:24 Speaker 00 It was, it was like watching my kids do sport. I was, I found the whole day really, I was not good.
1:05:34 Speaker 01 Oh, it's full on, but also to be stood in a crowd for like six hours is a lot.
1:05:39 Speaker 00 It was just, I loved it. Yeah. And also I know how hard you both worked. Because when we were on, we were on tour in the autumn and you were both running then.
1:05:50 Speaker 01 Oh, yes.
1:05:51 Speaker 00 So when, do you remember when you ran up Arthur Seat in Edinburgh? And then we did the Great Orme at London, didn't we?
1:05:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:06:00 Speaker 00 That was in like October.
1:06:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:06:02 Speaker 00 Preparing for the marathon, which was in, you know, end of April.
1:06:06 Speaker 01 Well, that was my big plan, that the longer I took, the less I would have to load myself. But then unfortunately lost a couple of months to the old ankle.
1:06:14 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:06:14 Speaker 01 But these things happen and everyone's gone through something like that on the way.
1:06:17 Speaker 00 So that's the thing, and you know, especially because of Dave living in Manchester and coming down here, down to London for work and fitting his running around what are already very early train times. And the three children and John fitting it all around his book, fitting marathon running around, writing a book. It's, I've known how hard you've worked, so I just, I wanted it to go well. And it did go well. It was great.
1:06:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, it did. And that's Ask Us Anything. Right, there we go, folks. Thanks very much for listening. We will be back on Tuesday.
1:06:48 Speaker 00 Goodbye.
1:07:00 Speaker 04 1965, London. The world's largest uncut diamond has been stolen from the Natural History Museum.
1:07:09 Speaker 04 Shortly after, a young London window cleaner is arrested.
1:07:13 Speaker 05 They said, you're nicked, you're in a lot of trouble.
1:07:14 Speaker 04 But was he set up?
1:07:16 Speaker 05 Wanted, Adam, led to fall of two cops.
1:07:18 Speaker 04 His family say he is guilty, but of a totally different crime.
1:07:24 Speaker 06 You're not going to end up going to prison, do you, kid, later?
1:07:26 Speaker 04 I'm Jacey Long and this is Rough Diamond. Listen now wherever you get your podcasts.
1:07:35 Speaker 01 Thanks for listening to the show and you can follow us on Instagram and TikTok at Ellis and John for more content.
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