The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Redemptive Revenge by Greg Gilmartin

Redemptive Revenge by Greg Gilmartin https://www.amazon.com/dp/1807049256 Greggilmartin.com Carlos Quintaro is alive and he's back! With vengeance in his heart and PJ's Crew in his sights... the Crew that shut down his drug empire in the mountains of Colombia. Quintaro has brought the fight to PJ McDonough's home. On the water, in the air and the backwaters of Southern New England. Carlos has a new drug, and he is committed to expanding his empire and avenging PJ's crew. This sequel to Greg Gilmartin's first novel "Crew" continues the adventure with high tech machines and sailors forced to fight for their lives, amidst the background of the Flying Foiling 50s Grand Prix in New London. The chase extends to Block Island where the forces of good must face off against one man's evil, and find their own redemption for the murder of a teammate. Once again, Stoney, Lenny, Mickey, Dave and Kathryn are pushed to the limits of courage and friendship, by Quintaro's evil determination. Redemptive Revenge brings together PJ's Crew once again. Kill or be killed? Fight or Flight? Right or wrong? About the author Gilmartin is a native New Yorker, born in the shadows of the parachute jump on Coney Island. Now living in Connecticut as a writer, producer and director with over 40 years experience in radio, TV and marketing. He served in the Air Force as a Russian Linguist in Germany, but only met Russians while sailing. His has worked as a car wash specialist, automotive journalist, radio DJ and award winning sports talk show host. His lowest form of celebrity came as PA Announcer for the Hartford Whalers, New England Blizzard and Hartford Wolfpack. His travel show “MysticView. TV” was broadcast on line and in hotel rooms in Southeast Connecticut, Hartford and Newport, RI for 20 years. "Castle Fires is his fourth novel and is now available along with "Can't Sail In Jail!", "Crew" and "Spy Island". Keep up to date at GregGilmartin.com

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  Today, amazing young man on the show, are you talking about his book and insights? He's a multi-book author who's written a lot of stuff and I think you're going to enjoy his stuff as well. So we're going to get into it with him and find out all the stuff that he's been up to. We're going to be talking about his latest book that is called Redemptive Revenge by Greg Gilmar. We're going to get into it with him and find out all of his deets, as they say. Today, Gil was born in the shadow of parachute jump in Coney Island, Brooklyn, New York, car wash specialist, USAF, Russian linguist, radio disc jockey, news reporter, award-winning sports reporter, play-by-play announcer for Tampa Bay Rowdies,

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  NASL soccer in 1975, and arena announcer for Hartford Whalers, Hartford Wolfpack, New England Blizzard, and video producer, videographer, scriptwriter, editor for Mystic TV, Newport View TV and Hartford View TV. Welcome to the show, sir. How are you?

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  Thank you. Thank you. Great to be here. A lot of chapters.

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  A lot of books too. We're going to get into it. How many total books do you have, sir?

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  I have five out total now.

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  All right. So people can look for those in order to give us any dot coms. Where can people find you on the interwebs?

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  Greg Gilmar.com.

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  All right.

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  You can find all the connections with me and links to the books and some, some videos are on there and you can buy the book as well from there.

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  Okay. So give us a 30,000 overview. What's inside this book?

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  Redemptive Revenge is a sequel to my first novel, which was called Crew. My background is, I've got to say, sports and team playing. And through the course of playing on teams, that became very important in my life. And I think the books all reflect the idea of friends getting together. They're put in a situation they maybe didn't expect. And now they have to work together to solve the problem.

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  Ah.

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  With Crew, it's a bunch of sailboat racers. I've been a sailboat racer myself for 30 years.

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  Oh, really?

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  I'm a mudhead and

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  Is that what they call mudhead?

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  That's what they call it. The group started when they would sail small boats, they'd flip over and the boats would get the top of the mast stuck in the mud. But it would flip back and the mud would land on your head.

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  Oh, yeah. I've, I've had that happen. Actually, I did that one time with the boat.

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  It comes back in the day where you had to be a part of a yacht club.

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  Hmm.

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  Join a race.

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  Ah.

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  Yachting was associated with having money, wearing red pants, having a blazer. The mudheads, they formed a club so that they could join any race they wanted. The rules. So that, so they became, I would have to say legendary. We don't have a clubhouse. We just sort of have a group of people who love to go sailboat racing.

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  Yeah. When I was young, we used to go out to this place called Saratoga Springs and they had a bay and the army of engineers would keep that bay open by dredging it every few years. Right? And so, I don't know, 10 years later or something, or 15 years later, I got a, we got a boat. We launched it from the closest dock that we could get to by my house. And we had, it was like a motorboat thing there, 20, 25 feet or something. And so I was like, let's go over to the Saratoga Bay and hang out. I didn't know that the army of Corps of Engineers had given up on keeping that thing dredged or the whole area just kind of grew back in. So I was, so we're just cruising along in the motorboat and suddenly my friend, my buddy is with me. He goes, he goes, hey, man, you got mud shooting 20

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  feet up into the air. And evidently the silt and whatever had filled in that bay and we were just shooting mud up in the air, covering ourselves. And of course, we blew out the propeller and the, and Randy wasn't too happy about it.

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  That plays a very, very big role when you're sailboat racing because the current tends to run slower in shallow water.

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  Oh.

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  You tend to go to the current, to the shallow water. Unusual to be moving along and all of a sudden you're just stopped.

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  Yeah.

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  Sit there. And then you play a game of unhooking from the earth and trying to get back into the game.

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  Yeah, it was a lot of fun trying to turn that boat around.

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  And well, the idea of competition was, was very important, still important to sailboat racers. Even though you're only doing maybe eight miles an hour, you're still looking for that extra half a knot, an extra knot. But when you get on a bigger boat, there's six, seven people, you've got to rely on their skills and the talent rises to the top or not. And

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  Or the mud.

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  Where I, where I was developed my experience. And then when the time came to, to write about it, got to talk about a team, got to talk about the team being put in a situation. And in this case, it expanded. It was in the, I guess, mid 2000s cocaine was out there and there was a buzz about that. I threw in a cocaine guy wannabe kingpin and he's in the mountains of South America. And that's how that story started.

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  Ah.

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  So the idea is that the, he's trying to build his empire and doing so, he has to take a piece of land that allows him to do his cocaine processing in the mountains. Back then, the US had gotten involved and it was going into the jungle and looking for him. So he decided to try the mountains. And that brings in a whole group of ideas. There's airplanes involved. We're flying in the mountains. We're amateurs getting involved with a little bit of military background. They, they join up with the Colombian army and they kind of go after this guy, Carlos Quintaro.

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  Ah, Carlos Quintara.

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  Yeah. And in the end, it's, there's some success and there's some failure and the friends are put in that situation where they test their boundary of courage and their boundaries of friendship.

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  Oh.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  And they're traveling all over the place. So it's, I like it. It's an interesting story. And then fast forward 10 years and Carlos Quintaro is back, but this time he brings it to the same group of people. They're now in southeastern Connecticut where the sailboat world is going on. He interrupts their normal life. And there's a whole scenario where all of a sudden the bad guy is back and now he's threatening you and harming you. And we know a little bit about the, the crew. They've, they've gotten closer. We've got a couple of relationships going on and it strikes close to home and they

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  have to reach into their resourceful pocket and find out, how do we solve this guy?

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  How do you, how do you solve it? Now, this book is part of characters or a series, I think. Explain how that series works and what's the deal?

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  I think it's the characters that are around the sailing world. And the main guy is PJ McDonough. He's kind of the leader of the group. He's an entrepreneurial fellow. It's kind of an inventor. He's a pilot. So he's, he's building, building boats and he's working with new chemicals and new materials to improve the sailing world. He also involved building engines for automobiles that ran on methane.

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  Hmm.

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  Again, when that started, that was a buzz. We're trying to help improve the world without gas. And so he's on the edge of new technology that has allowed him to become a wealthier man. He's still into sailboat racing and he does it at a very high level. And then of course, any sailboat racer in southeastern area of Connecticut, New England, Block Island plays an extremely large role. And if you're not familiar with Block Island, it's a glacial glob, about 12 square miles, about 15 miles off the coast of, of Connecticut. And it's a great, great resort, great place to go sailing, a lot of breeze, a lot of tricky currents, a lot of rocks and, and some, some good bars. So there's a lot of entertainment.

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  People go there and have a wonderful time.

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  You got to have a few drinks after you race those boats to celebrate or irritate your loss.

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  And there's several big races that take place there. So that from a, from a sailboat racer's point of view, Block Island's a bucket list. It's a key place. You want to go there. You want to have some of the experiences that are available at the island.

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  Yeah.

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  There for 30 years. So

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  Yeah.

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  That, that is why it became a centerpiece for, for this, this story.

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  Now you've got, I see on the behind you, you've got a big thing up for the can't sail in jail and spy island and the crew book. Now I see the right of you, your left, it looks, it looks like an island. Is that by chance Block Island or different?

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  That's actually Block Island itself, right there.

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  Huh. So we have visual of it. And so you race around that? Is that what?

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  Good. And, and then there's a couple of bars right up in here and one over in here.

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  I noticed you know where the bars are. So that seems to be

• 10:49Speaker 01

  This is good. You might be, we always say to aspiring writers, write what you know. Cause sometimes writers will be like, I don't know what to write about. Write what you see every day. It's kind of like that. It kind of reminds me of that line of, what was the Anthony Hopkins movie? The, the, the guy, the guy does what he, he, he commits crimes against what he sees every day. And that's how the gauve solves the mystery. But with readers or with writers, write what you know. You, you're probably in 18 years, the first book author that we've had on the show who, who's utilized the narrative of the racing sports of boats and, and all that stuff. So that's, that's got to be really unique. And not only that, it's, it's a very exciting sport to watch those boats go through the, we see them on TV. Like I've seen some of the San Francisco runs with those

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  expensive boats. Those things are just fun to watch.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  The game has changed dramatically in sailing and that the revenge kind of reflects that.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  New London, Connecticut has done some changes where they're, I'm proposing to them that they have some kind of a big festival. And they invite Grand Prix 50, flying, flying, foiling 50s.

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  Oh, that might be fun, huh?

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  Yeah, I would think it would be fun. I know, I know the mayor, Mike Passaro is very forward thinking kind of guy. And New London is big enough and swollen up and it could use a little bit of a adrenaline shot. Now we've got sailboats that have no keels per se. They really just have dagger boards.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

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  From eight knots, they're doing like 48 knots.

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  Oh, wow.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  You can imagine a, a sailboat doing about 50 miles an hour in a half mile river. It's going to get exciting, going to get crowded.

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  Oh, yeah.

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  That's the backdrop while our, while our heroes are fighting the bad guy.

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  Yeah.

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  So they're in New London, then they're in Block Island and trying to find a way to, to, to end the story.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  Try to find a way to make it all work there. Yeah. That seems really cool. So, yeah. And what a, what a setting. Now, the first, is there a book that's before this one in a series? Or how does this all start off? Maybe run us through how the books relate to each other?

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  Yeah. Crew, again, sailboat crew, and then can't sail in jail.

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  In the seventies, this was historical and I, I knew some of the folks, I wasn't involved directly myself, but the stories have been, don't die. And basically we had the one guy, he's the hero in can't sell in jail, Dr. Z. He was in charge of manipulating smuggling marijuana into the, into Connecticut.

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  Oh.

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  And out of Venezuela. And yeah, they did a pretty good job. So literally to the point of burying their cash in Tupperware containers in the back of their house.

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  Story was, I'd heard the story. I knew some of the folks who were kind of on the, on the edges involved. And we started making that writer's embellishment. Let's make it, make a fun story about it.

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  Yeah.

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  And then most of his crew on, on the boat that he was able to finance, they really didn't know what he did. They thought his parents ran like a blockbuster or something, but it was in fact smuggling marijuana.

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  Oh, boy.

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  Eventually got caught. So there's a police chase involved and the people are investigating. There's a couple of people who are the law. And eventually they did catch him in real life, but it was right around the time where marijuana was becoming like, oh, maybe you can get a ticket for that. And people weren't pushing too far.

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  Yeah.

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  And now of course, at least in Connecticut, it's, it's relatively legal. And he was fined a half a million dollars.

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  Oh, wow.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  He was sentenced to several months in jail. Never, I think he may have been in jail for half a year and never paid any of the fine.

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  Oh, wow.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  And now he's comfortably living on the south side of the world in New Zealand, I believe. But there was a hot rumor the other day, a couple of weeks ago, that he was coming up here.

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  Oh, really? Now to this, to this, did you use this as a basis for the book? Did you, did that inspire the story? Or was that just something that was coincidental?

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  I, I knew some of the people that knew him pretty well. I was hearing the stories. And then it became a matter of folding in the sailboat community with a group of them who had still racing, but more involved on the edges of, and the marijuana wasn't so much a big deal. It was the sailboat racing that was the important part.

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  Yeah.

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  What sailboat racing does or what the marijuana commerce did was it able to finance the boat, finance the campaign. So they were racing the boat up and down the East Coast, down in Florida. So, you know, there, there's a lot of money involved in that and they were able to do that.

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  Yeah.

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  I like it myself because it's, I knew the story closer to the reality of it than it up completely like you do with so many other books.

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  Yeah, yeah. You knew the story. And sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. And it's a great way to take stuff like this and turn it into a story for yourself and what you want to achieve with it. And

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  Slogans is every legend starts with a little lie.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  But it needs some truth if it's going to fly.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Little bit of lie and, or a little bit of truth and the whole lie maybe. Yeah, it seems to be the way it goes. I can think of some billionaires that are pulling that stunt right now. I just got done reading about the Elon Musk documentary. And yeah, and some of the, some of the ways he's, he's taken a little bit of truth and, and explained it quite greatly.

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  But supply, I think these days.

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  Yep. It certainly is. It's, it's up to us to hold the fire to that and then make sure it keeps working. When did you first know that you were good at writing? And this was kind of a thing that you enjoyed?

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  I would, I worked for the Hartford Whalers as the, I call it the lowest form of celebrity. The public address announcer in the building. I was announcing the games. And there was a gentleman who was a book agent who knew me from the Whalers. And then when I heard about him being an agent and he was a Whaler fan, I sent him a copy of my first script, which I called Deadly Winds at the time. It was before the name was changed.

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  Okay.

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  As I'm, I'm proud to say, we were rejected by eight of the finest publishers.

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  Good for you.

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  And my buddy, who used to drive the car out onto the ice for the Whaler games as part of their, their promotion, he published a book called Brass Pananza Plays Again. Brass Pananza played the song that the Whalers always played when they scored a goal. And it became pretty popular. So anyway, he went ahead and published it. I said, hell, Bob can do this. I can do it too.

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  Yeah.

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  I went from being a writer to becoming a publisher. I'm a self publisher. And, but it worked and the next story came along and, which was spy island. And he kept on going.

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  And how does it work when you write books? Do you, do your characters come to you and talk to you and tell you how to write? Or do you, is, or is it something you have to manufacture? Some people have stalker characters.

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  Yeah. I, I have to admit that in all my books, there is somebody that I know that kind of played the, the role of model, the first one.

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  Ah.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  Then I embellish upon their characteristics. And sometimes I use their name or similar names. I always say you might recognize yourself. You might even be one of the characters.

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  I've had a few, I've had a few authors on the show that if someone, if they're displeased with someone, they kill them off in their book.

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  They make him a character and kill them horribly.

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  One of my best friends, he played an important role in in crew. He dies at the end.

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  Oh, and he's your best friend?

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  His mother, his mother comes up to me like a month after the book is published. Why did you kill my son?

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  He's a hero. I made him a hero.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. So he dies a hero then?

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  Yeah.

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  That's, that's, that's a little bit better.

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  It's just a story.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just a story. Yeah, that's funny.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  I met a gentleman who built a castle for his daughter.

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  Oh, really?

• 19:46Speaker 02

  Literally built a real castle with with Russian immigrants laying the bricks. And he did it in Connecticut, up in, up in Woodstock, Connecticut. And we were doing some filming at the time and got to work with him. We literally created a little video piece. He was trying to get some promotion. And you go to this castle and it's just a genuine, full-on castle. With the turrets and everything, the the walkways and

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  you look at it and you go, got to write about this. Not too many castles around.

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  Yeah.

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  So we're trying to make a movie of it now, but battling out a script and so on.

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  Yeah.

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  That became Castle Fires. And I brought my daughter into it.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  Oh, really? Now, when you say brought your daughter into it, she helped you write or she was a character?

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  She's a character.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's quite a character, let me tell you. No.

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  The, the, the character Juliet

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  suddenly inherits the father's empire after he's been murdered.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  Oh.

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  But she never met him. Just the circumstance of when they all got, when they, the mother got together with the, the father. That all happened to a point where she went through the first 30 years of her life, not knowing who he was, never met him, meeting him. Now she comes back as the heiress. And the father

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  has developed these hologram videos that pop up in various places in the castle. He begins fathering her from the past.

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  Oh, okay.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  But there's a few other mysterious things that happened. A massacre took place among Native Americans 200 years ago. And that somehow poisoned the earth in the apple orchard at the castle.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  And the fruit of that horrible event, which has a touch of truth to it, created strange apples that had strange chemical capabilities. And the father had started experimenting with them. And that pushes it a little bit into a magical world, a supernatural world. It's magic until we prove it's science. And the, the daughter begins to evolve and starts to become more comfortable. And meanwhile, the local town is having a discussion about bringing a mall in to increase the tourists. In a quiet corner, northwest corner of Connecticut.

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  And this creates some tension in the town. So we have this battle going on

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  political as well as supernatural and various characters. So it's a very different approach. There's no selling involved until the very, very end.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Probably is there, is there a boat chase? Kind of like, you know?

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  So that's where the boats come in. There's a, you gotta, it's either a car chase or a boat chase or something like that, right?

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  One of them.

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  Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. You write the books. What's the future look like? Are there other books from the series coming out? Are they going to be the same characters? Or what's your overall plan?

• 23:22Speaker 02

  There's two characters, Luke and Seal in Redemptive Revenge. And

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  they're going to probably end up going to France to track down the assassins that killed Seal's parents.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  Hmm.

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  So

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  that's just an excuse for me to go to Paris, I guess. I don't know.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  We do have a lot of authors that tell me they, they're like, hey, we got to write this book in a, but we got to go take a vacation so that we can study this area. Excuse the going vacation.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  I find it important to have experience, at least part of what it smells like, what it looks like at these various places.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. You gotta, you gotta do that or else you can write about them properly. But yeah, I, I never had an author on the show who uses boat racing to tell a story. So good stuff there. Good stuff there. What advice would you give to aspiring writers? So you, you were trying to get published for a while and, and then you finally published your own and didn't wait for the, the big guys to get around to you. Sometimes it's hard to just get their attention. But what would, what advice would you give to authors?

• 24:31Speaker 02

  I think the important thing is that put the ideas down in your computer on paper. You gotta, you gotta have the idea. If you're going to try and sell something, you gotta have something to sell. Don't be afraid. Go off the chart. Do whatever you need to do. Just get it down. You feel you've got a beginning, a middle and an end. And I, I think, don't be afraid to make the characters as off the chart as possible.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Oh, really? That's a good advice.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  I think people want to hear about the unusual. They, we see enough going on every day. Give me something that's very different.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Give me something that's different for X6. The, yeah, it's, it's, there's so many different flavors that are out there of books and novels and different stuff they'll do. And so, yeah, you can just be like, I don't know, this seems like a really great idea. So as we go out, to give people a final pitch out to pick up your books, where they can reach you on your dot coms and all that good stuff. Did you get that?

• 25:31Speaker 02

  What? I'm sorry.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  As we go out, give people a final pitch out to pick up your book and dot coms where to find that.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  I, I call it Strive with Five. There's five of them now. You can go to GregGilMartin.com. And you'll find all five of them are for sale. There's videos, there's snippets. My new favorite video is Turn the Page. The story is alive tonight. A good friend of mine created that, another AI situation, which is good. And you'll find an interesting trail, I think, of a story. You don't have to be a sailboat racer. It's really about friends working together. And there's always, there's always a love story in there, too. Everyone's got a love story.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, always a love story. You gotta mix a little love in with a little bit of, I don't know what you call it, suspense and all that good stuff. Thank you very much for coming to the show. We really appreciate it. And thanks for sharing your stories. Greg?

• 26:28Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. It's been fun.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Thank you. It has been. And folks, order up his book, Where Refined Books Are Sold. We were talking about Redemptive Revenge and you can see his other books as well. Buy them up for the old, what you call it, the old Christmas time is coming up. So you can give away his friends or you can just hoard the books for yourself and screw those other people out. Yeah, they know. You want to read your book first and then you can tell them about it and then they'll go buy it. So.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  My Island's also out there as an audiobook.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Oh, a lot of people love consuming those audiobooks.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  Coming soon, maybe next year.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  And they'll watch for it. Do you have a newsletter they can sign up for on your website there?

• 27:06Speaker 02

  I don't have a newsletter yet, but if I see people signing up, I'm a, I'm a communicator. I'll get in touch.

• 27:13Speaker 01

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