KHC 205 - John & Jenn Rivet

John and Jenn Rivet are back again to talk about bear hunting. The Rivet’s renowned big-game outfitters, wilderness guides, and co-owners of The Rivet Company (formerly Livin' the Dream) based in Northern Alberta, Canada. With over 30 years of outfitting experience, they specialize in trophy Canadian black bear, whitetail deer, and wolf hunts. Follow John: https://www.instagram.com/johnnyrivet/ Follow Jenn: https://www.instagram.com/jennrivet_/ Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Measuring Bear & Taxidermy Work 00:03:42 – Presentation & a Montana Knife Company Surprise 00:11:00 – Rivet’s Bear Hunt Giveaway & Bear Camp 00:13:12 – Hate Against Bear Hunting 00:17:11 – Tactacam & Hunting with Trail Cameras 00:26:09 – Colored Bear, Giants, and Smart Old Bear 00:29:25 – Cam’s 2026 Spring Bear Hunt 00:34:48 – Bear Management, Conservation, & Sex Differences 00:42:00 – The Quality and Taste of Bear Meat 00:44:46 – Hard Work & Shout Out to Kawasaki’s Quality 00:51:02 – What Screws Up Bear Hunts 00:55:39 – John’s Chainsaw Accident 01:01:05 – The Promise Land: Deep Country Bear & Returning Hunters 01:13:53 – Leaning on God & Wounded Bear 01:21:20 – The Impact of Strong Women Leaders 01:26:20 – Cam’s Spring 2026 Bear 01:33:22 – Rivet’s Bear Hunt & Bentley Giveaway 01:35:40 – Exceeding Childhood Dreams 01:39:41 – John’s First Hunt 01:43:02 – Bear Bait: Beavers and Carp 01:45:55 – Bear Color Variations and Grizzlies 01:49:05 – Measuring Bear Capes & Skulls 01:53:55 – Taxidermy, Bear Meat, and Traveling After the Hunt 01:58:00 – Broadheads and Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: ALP: https://alppouch.com/ use code CAM for 10% off your first order Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 15% off Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 10% your order Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:15Cameron Hanes?

  This is the Keep Hammer Collective. I'm with John Rivet, Jen Rivet, my family from Alberta. You guys, we kill big bear and is there any greater place to bear hunt than your outfit?

• 0:28Speaker 01

  We got big bears.

• 0:29Cameron Hanes?

  Are you biased?

• 0:30Speaker 02

  We're biased.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  I'm very biased.

• 0:31Cameron Hanes?

  A little bit.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, we have the best place.

• 0:33Cameron Hanes?

  Even without that.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  I know some other places that are pretty good too. Some guys that do well.

• 0:37Speaker 02

  But we only like to promote ours, so.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  We work harder.

• 0:39Speaker 02

  We work harder and smarter, not just harder, smarter.

• 0:43Cameron Hanes?

  And you got better smiles.

• 0:44Speaker 01

  Guess I'm all off right now because they'll be watching the podcast.

• 0:46Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, they're gonna hate. I mean, they really hate when we say.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  They're already pissed off that you shot another eight footer.

• 0:51Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  And that you were measuring it wrong somehow. Okay, is it that effing complicated?

• 0:56Cameron Hanes?

  It's.

• 0:57Speaker 01

  If we're squaring him, length and width.

• 0:59Cameron Hanes?

  Divide by two.

• 1:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it.

• 1:02Cameron Hanes?

  Doesn't seem that.

• 1:03Speaker 01

  A skull, length, and we have, no, not with a tape like this, like some, I got a 23 inch bear skull.

• 1:08Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  Calipers on each side, on each end, the largest and the widest.

• 1:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Add that up, there's your number.

• 1:15Cameron Hanes?

  The one guy, and I, I understand, I mean, it's competition.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20Cameron Hanes?

  You know, he's got hunters in camp.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22Cameron Hanes?

  And we say, oh, giant bear, his hunters are like, and they kill good bear too.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:28Cameron Hanes?

  I, it's, you know, it's, it's how.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  And we're not going to measure it the shortest it can be.

• 1:32Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Of course not. We're gonna measure it as long as we can measure it.

• 1:35Cameron Hanes?

  Well, when you take a picture, you want to make the animal look as good as it can be. You want to represent that the best qualities of that animal. You don't sit behind, you don't sit in front of them.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45Cameron Hanes?

  And hold their hours or their head here.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47Cameron Hanes?

  You want to feature the animal.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and like 40 years ago when I started, there was no measurements in Canada of square. We didn't know what that was. We learned that from Alaska. All the Alaska guys at Square Bear, they go, yeah, width, boom.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  But when you take the skin out hide and you stand on the back of the Kawasaki and you hold it and we hold out the legs, you're not lying. I mean, he's six foot. You can tell tail to nose and then the wingspan.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  To be fair to all those other outfitters that are measuring, when we measure the square, if we're measuring a wide square, it means it's been skinned for a rug. It's been skinned up the throat. It's not tube. If it's tube, you're a foot and a half less on width.

• 2:20Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  So it's a, it's a bear that's skinned for a rug is what we're measuring.

• 2:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and it's, you know, these are big bear.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, and when a taxidermist makes a rug out of it, he's not shrinking it, he's stretching it. He's pulling. They're pulling and stretching the whole hide.

• 2:32Cameron Hanes?

  Well, that Orion taxidermy.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  They're swamped. They can't take any more clients.

• 2:37Cameron Hanes?

  I've never had a, a life-size bear.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41Cameron Hanes?

  So.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  Jen's bear is the nicest life-size I've ever seen.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  We just got it back right before we came.

• 2:46Cameron Hanes?

  It looks incredible. That charcoal one?

• 2:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, so beautiful.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  I shot it in 2022 and I, I kept it for a while, wasn't sure where I wanted it and it was just like, this is a bear of a lifetime. Like I just don't want to, so I hummed and hawed and then we started talking with him, started working with him and I started looking at his bears and I'm like, I think he can do it. He did it. Oh, man, it's freaking awesome.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  And some of our taxes have been two, three, four year turnaround. This guy is a year.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  He's already calling. We dropped the bears off. Say it was, was it Tuesday? We dropped the bears off Tuesday. Wednesday morning, clients are getting calls, asking what they want done with their bear. We're like, wow.

• 3:18Cameron Hanes?

  They're on top of it. They're pros.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  It was fantastic.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Paul Deagle just got his in New York and he showed, picking it up at the door. It's not in a cardboard box. His bear rug was in a plastic tote with locks on it where you're not going to damage the skull. You're not going to damage the head or the claws, anything. It's so safe in there. Plus, if customs wants to open it, open the latches, go in, don't have to untape the box.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  It's sweet. They got their shit figured out.

• 3:40Cameron Hanes?

  It's a, well, so the, the presentation, right?

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:45Cameron Hanes?

  That's like the next quality, next level of quality is when you buy a good product or you get a good animal or something like that, but then the presentation, like I think Montana Knife, I think we need to talk about. Don't you guys have something we want to, we want to talk about here?

• 3:59Speaker 02

  Let's do this right now.

• 4:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but Montana Knife is.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  We're talking to Brandon. We're like, we want to do something on the podcast that Cam can do a giveaway.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  And I, and I'm thinking, let's do the pack out Skinner, your pack out, the Cammy's pack out Skinner.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  Let him just open it, let him see what it is.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  And Brandon goes, I got a better idea.

• 4:14Speaker 02

  I got a better idea.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  How about we do something that no one has seen yet?

• 4:16Cameron Hanes?

  Ooh, the MKC Chopper?

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Look at the packaging. So why do they spend so much on packaging? Cause it's freaking beautiful. If you give that as a gift, you think of the guy receiving that, he's like, okay, this.

• 4:26Cameron Hanes?

  This means something.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  This is nice.

• 4:27Cameron Hanes?

  And I like this, like this, this little quality detail right here.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Who did this? I can't read from that.

• 4:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it says, sharpened by, it says Brandon, quality controlled Dylan, packaged by Dylan. So it's just like, they can track, it means something to them. It's like every step means something. And then this is just incredible. You get the sticker for your rig, your little hair cord here.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  When your name is on it, you're gonna do it to perfection.

• 4:55Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Cause they're gonna know it's you.

• 4:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  It's like our old pastor used to say, you, you just don't want fans, you want raving fans.

• 5:01Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  How do you get raving fans going over the top? Look at this, stunning.

• 5:05Cameron Hanes?

  Look at this out thing.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  My god.

• 5:08Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, look at that.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  You see that?

• 5:11Cameron Hanes?

  You know what I, you know what I'm going to use this for?

• 5:15Cameron Hanes?

  This is my.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Oh, my god, no. That's your new knife for running up on the bears?

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Look at that sucker.

• 5:20Cameron Hanes?

  This is my counting two knife.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:22Cameron Hanes?

  Now, yeah, cause you give them the left arm, stab them with this.

• 5:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:27Cameron Hanes?

  And this.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  That's a monster.

• 5:28Cameron Hanes?

  Look at this. Solid, so it's not gonna.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  You can chop wood with that one.

• 5:31Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. It's not gonna fold up on you or anything.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  I want one.

• 5:36Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, man.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  Brandon sent some more.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  They did the sweet logos on it. I was like, he says, let me surprise you. He says, I'll surprise you.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:42Cameron Hanes?

  This is beautiful.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think it's a cerakote is what they put on those. I believe them.

• 5:47Cameron Hanes?

  I know, very sharp.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  So shout out to Montana Knife. You guys are awesome.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  First class.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Always above and beyond what you expect.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Shipped it next day, next day shipping.

• 5:57Cameron Hanes?

  I love those guys. You know, it's like such a success story.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:01Cameron Hanes?

  And, you know, Josh Smith as a lineman, a working class guy, nine to five guy out there busting his ass on poles.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:09Cameron Hanes?

  You know, stringing power lines and then had a dream.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:12Cameron Hanes?

  Always loved sharpening knives, making as a knife maker. And now that dream is incredible. I mean, we were both at the grand opening of their new facility.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Incredible. I was in tears walking through there, just seeing the success.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  But you seen the crowd that's around them. Everybody's cheering the other guy on. It's not like, oh, they're all negative. Everybody's excited.

• 6:32Cameron Hanes?

  There's plenty of negative out there, but not at.

• 6:34Speaker 02

  Not there.

• 6:35Cameron Hanes?

  Not the thousand people that were there.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  No.

• 6:37Cameron Hanes?

  But I think, I think the negative is just people who are, you know, they see somebody else's success as their own failure.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:45Cameron Hanes?

  And it's not. It's like, we can all win.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:48Cameron Hanes?

  That should be an inspiration to you.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like that saying, we can all win.

• 6:51Cameron Hanes?

  We can all win. It's like.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  I was talking to somebody lately and goes, there's enough oxygen for all of us.

• 6:55Cameron Hanes?

  I know, I know, but there's some people out there that they just want to strangle you. For, for what?

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:02Speaker 02

  The crab bucket mentality.

• 7:03Speaker 01

  I'm cheering you on when you're succeeding. I'm cheering these guys on when I'm succeeding because I know I'm next. Plus, if you guys win, I win.

• 7:09Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, this is incredible. Thank you, Montana Knife. I mean, these guys have been the best partners, you know? I mean, we're lucky to have, you know, Grizzly Coolers, Montana Knife. We have the best.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:20Cameron Hanes?

  The very best partners. And it's, speaking of packaging and partners.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Shut the fuck up.

• 7:33Cameron Hanes?

  So, um, do you remember Travis?

• 7:41Speaker 02

  Here's my softie.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  Guys are fucking crazy.

• 7:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's Travis. He was in bear camp with us and just a great guy.

• 7:51Cameron Hanes?

  The most generous person and, you know.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  I have a freaking Rolex. I have a fake Rolex.

• 7:58Cameron Hanes?

  Now you got a real one and that thing is nice, dude.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  How to open it or how.

• 8:02Cameron Hanes?

  That thing is nice. It is beautiful. And so he, he wanted me to give that to you on the podcast.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  Where's the camera?

• 8:12Cameron Hanes?

  They're picking.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  They're everywhere.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  Good job, Travis. You got me good.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  Sneaky. Cause he's talked to him quite a bit.

• 8:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  I actually dropped the boat. It's not Lago that you did this.

• 8:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's not amazing.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:24Cameron Hanes?

  So this is, this is what happens when.

• 8:27Speaker 01

  Do you not open it? I'll put it on.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  I'm gonna let Cam open it. Cause he's a pro at it. I don't want to break anything.

• 8:32Cameron Hanes?

  Not, not really, but.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Such a baby. I said, I'm not going to cry on this podcast this time. We watched a bit of last year's right now. I'm like, god, I was crying again.

• 8:40Cameron Hanes?

  Were you?

• 8:40Speaker 01

  I don't even. When I was talking about my life story and why I'm so appreciative.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, here you go.

• 8:46Speaker 02

  I'm known to be a little aggressive when I'm opening stuff and I can cut myself or hurt myself or break something.

• 8:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so there you go. See, how does that, does that work?

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Look at that.

• 8:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Isn't that, isn't that nice? So Travis, thank you. I mean.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 9:01Cameron Hanes?

  What, his last name?

• 9:02Speaker 02

  Hassy.

• 9:03Cameron Hanes?

  Hassy, yeah. I, it's just, you know.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  What a guy.

• 9:06Cameron Hanes?

  I gave away for that carbon watch company. They've been so generous, but I gave away one to one of my followers too. And it's just, you know, a, a watch like that is a lifetime gift.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:20Cameron Hanes?

  You know, that's quality. That means something, but it's, it's not even that the quality. It's just like, it's just what it represents. It's just Travis came up there. He respects so much the hard work you guys put forth. How much you care about the bears, how much you care about the clients and doing it the right way. And when you carry yourself like that and you make decisions like that and you treat people the way you treat them, this is what happens.

• 9:44Speaker 02

  That's full circle.

• 9:46Cameron Hanes?

  And, and when people, you know, people, there's people who might behave a certain way because they want something in return. But when you don't, you don't need anything in return, things happen.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:58Cameron Hanes?

  And it's just, I'm, I'm so happy you got that. It's just, um, yeah.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  That's amazing. Thanks Travis. Now I don't have to try to find him. I've been looking for one since Christmas.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  I don't even know what to say.

• 10:09Cameron Hanes?

  So beautiful. So beautiful. Yeah. So Travis, Carbon Watch Company. Yeah, this is, this is amazing. And these are Rolex dude. That's, there you go. You gotta keep that.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  When I get dressed nice, I got a nice watch to put on.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Or like Cam, we can skin bears with it. Cam, Travis.

• 10:26Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I know. I wore his like really nice knife.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  Working on a hundred thousand dollar watch while I was skin bears.

• 10:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and he, he sent James a, what, what was that? A?

• 10:36Speaker 01

  Tudor.

• 10:37Cameron Hanes?

  Tudor, yeah. Yeah. And James is a complete fuck up. Why? He doesn't deserve a watch.

• 10:46Cameron Hanes?

  That didn't hit, didn't get the Pope I was hoping for.

• 10:52Cameron Hanes?

  So also, oh, what I was gonna say, I screwed up my delivery. So on the note of this giveaway here, wait, how the hell do I open this again?

• 11:06Speaker 01

  It flips.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  Friend flip.

• 11:09Cameron Hanes?

  So.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  God, that's a nice knife.

• 11:11Cameron Hanes?

  This is a cool knife, but what what we want to talk about is we're going to give away a bear hunt with the rivets. So I'll announce it here on the podcast.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 11:20Cameron Hanes?

  It's gonna be like the old giveaways that we've done where you just get some merch and you're entered to win a bear hunt with the rivets, which is, I mean, I've done a lot of bear hunting. It's the best black bear hunting I've ever been been lucky enough to experience. And we love sharing. We love share. We've been blessed. I think I don't think anybody would argue or we wouldn't argue by saying we've been blessed. We're very lucky.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:46Cameron Hanes?

  Right? So to me, just because we've been blessed so much, it's kind of our duty to give back also. And I want to give away a bear hunt. I want people to experience what it's like to see the giant black bear you guys have. And also just be what I like about it, too. And I love like where you guys are letting me give like the little pep talk before. Cause I love talking about, hey, this is how this camp works and this is how it works the best. When everybody's contributing, everybody's cares, everybody's invested in it, you know, we we take ownership over the the whole process. And every it's it's incredible that camp that we had this week, or I mean, this year with Travis and and Brendan from Ten and Knife,

• 12:30Cameron Hanes?

  and everybody who's there, everybody was like, you you'd say, hey, we need to go do this. Everyone was out there.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  George, like, Dad, I can't even work. Like, everybody's doing it.

• 12:39Cameron Hanes?

  And that's, to me, that was.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  That was the best help ever. That week was incredible.

• 12:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 12:44Speaker 02

  But it was different coming from you. Like, for me, I do it every week. It's kind of like that record that just gets played over and over and over again.

• 12:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  And I just want people to succeed. That's why I do it. And then coming from you, it was pretty awesome. And then the next week, you're on the phone.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  You called in, we did a FaceTime and you gave them all tips and everything. They loved it. Meat Church was there. He appreciated that.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  They really appreciated it. Yeah.

• 13:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  He's becoming a lifelong bear hunter. He's booked.

• 13:08Cameron Hanes?

  Is he?

• 13:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  He took a bunch home, cooked it up. He's like, this is amazing.

• 13:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Was he getting a little bit of like hate?

• 13:15Speaker 01

  He got lots of love, tons. He got like 99% love.

• 13:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  He had just a little bit of hate.

• 13:20Cameron Hanes?

  What was that about?

• 13:21Speaker 01

  His followers go after them because they're like.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  Just stick to beef.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  It's Meat Church. Do you think we're not gonna kill anything? It's Meat Church.

• 13:26Cameron Hanes?

  Cause it was bear meat?

• 13:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, because it was bear.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, they went after him. They went on Nat Geo. Nat Geo sent all the people after him. This guy's killing bears.

• 13:36Cameron Hanes?

  Hey, the bears need to be managed, just like deer and elk.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:39Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, what I always say when people question me on why would you kill a bear? I always say, well, somebody has to, and if you won't, I'll do it for you. Just say thank you.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  Well, you look at the grizzly population right now in Alberta. There is a lot of troubled bears right now. Like, there is so many.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  They're having to shut down parks. They're having to shut down areas where people are going because the bears are going after people.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Jasper, there's been attacks. There's been, you know, a lot of close calls. Nothing's managing it. They're the top of the totem pole.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  An elderly couple just got killed in Saskatchewan by a black bear. Like, people, oh, it must have been a grizzly. No, black bears. Black bears kill more people than grizzlies. It's because they're everywhere.

• 14:15Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, they went to their cabin. They're like in their seventies and they never, nobody heard from them. So they went and checked on them. And one was dead by the cabin, one was dead drug in the bush.

• 14:25Cameron Hanes?

  Wow.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  Oh, there must have been something wrong with that black bear. No, that's a black bear doing black bear.

• 14:30Cameron Hanes?

  Predator.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  That's what they do. They eat whatever's easy to get.

• 14:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, they they'll eat, you know, if something's dead, they'll come across, they'll eat it.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:38Cameron Hanes?

  If they have to kill, they'll do that, too.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Moose calves, deer fawns, elk calves.

• 14:42Cameron Hanes?

  They're pretty good.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  And you never know. They went fishing. They got fish smell on their pants, on their hands, like.

• 14:46Speaker 02

  Or there was something there that the black bear claimed, whether it was blueberries around their cabin, who knows? That was his food source?

• 14:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  You're coming into my area, he's gonna take care of it.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Some of my friends in Manitoba had to deal with, we knew the guy that was the police officer, we knew the guy that was the paramedic, and then the the body remover.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  This is years ago, probably 20 years ago, 15 years ago.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Elderly guy, he went in his backyard. He had fruit trees, beautiful garden, and he went to pick some fruit. And he didn't come back in for a while. His wife finally looks outside and there's a bear eating him. Bear was eating his face off.

• 15:17Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. I think people just, they, I think they see a lot of stuff online where black bear can be harmless. They can also be very dangerous. But people like get lulled into a false sense of security with animals just in general, but with bear, you gotta respect them.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:35Cameron Hanes?

  You know, I I just shared one the other day. It's a kudu somewhere. It must have been in South Africa. But guy fed it, then he was like rubbing his forehead, thing, you know, charged him and he had big scars on his or cuts on his face. And it's like, guys, let's make good decisions. These are wild animals.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  Than a bison. Bison, did you see that guy that went flying?

• 15:56Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, he got launched.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:59Cameron Hanes?

  He got launched. I know.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  I'm like, poor old guy, poor kids, all this stuff. I feel bad for them. But then, on the other hand, us that have some wisdom are like, you don't go mess with them. They're wild animals. They're not like pets that they let out during the day.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  The stupidest question a park ranger ever got was somebody asked him, where do you guys put the animals at night? Where do you put them away at?

• 16:18Cameron Hanes?

  People are just are clueless. Some people are clueless. You know, they're so detached from the wild that, you know, they think it's like TV or something, or it's not real, or it's pretend. It's like, no.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  I see those big bison. I'm like, mm, because I used to, I used to think maybe we do a ranch. I wanted to have bison on it.

• 16:36Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  I love the meat. I love watching them and everything.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Hard to handle.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  And they're just bulldozers.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  All of our friends that have had bison have been damaged at some at some point.

• 16:46Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 16:46Speaker 01

  Badly hurt.

• 16:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. Rich Froning, one of the guests that I've had here is a CrossFit guy. He he has bison.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  He has bison, yeah.

• 16:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And yeah, they're they're big animals, you know?

• 16:56Speaker 02

  Huge.

• 16:56Cameron Hanes?

  And they can be aggressive. And those bulls, you don't know what the bull, or even the females, if they got, you know, little ones running around.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:02Cameron Hanes?

  That's always, that's a whole nother thing.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:05Cameron Hanes?

  You know, those buffalo calves, they're gonna protect them.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:08Cameron Hanes?

  They're gonna stomp your ass.

• 17:10Speaker 02

  So I decided no on that. So.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Well, since we were doing gifts, I have one for Cam.

• 17:14Speaker 02

  We have one more. This this relates to bear season, some of our success.

• 17:18Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  Okay, brand new, just got launched.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  Brand new model just came out right now. It's not an old one yet, but it's getting there.

• 17:27Cameron Hanes?

  This, because I.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  4.0 Pro. It's got everything. Dual dual cameras on it, dual lenses on it.

• 17:32Cameron Hanes?

  Man.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  It's not gonna make noise when it takes pictures. Huge battery.

• 17:36Cameron Hanes?

  Is it a cell cam?

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Oh, sick. And the whole bottom is a battery now, so you get a ton more battery time with it. It's incredible.

• 17:42Speaker 02

  So blacktail, elk, whatever, whatever you want to do.

• 17:45Cameron Hanes?

  I I run these for blacktail. I mean, that's, this is key.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  I would, and I would expect that camera to be three, 400 bucks. I'd pay anything for it. It's a hundred and something. Well, like 129 for the non-pro and 159 for the pro.

• 17:58Cameron Hanes?

  And TactiCam is like, we've talked about this just in camp. Thank you, TactiCam. But in camp, like, how much has changed your guys' operation? So so explain, explain what it's done to how you guys.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  It's one of the keys to success. Like, even on a on a wolf hunt, okay, we've got cameras, we got cell service. Well, even places where there's poor cell service, the cameras have such a powerful antenna that they're getting, your your phone has no bars or one bar, and that'll have.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  They can pick it up.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Several bars and and just, it's amazing where it works. But on a wolf hunt, okay, so if we're headed to a wolf bait, if the wolves are on the bait and we drive in there, you're gonna blow them off and you're not seeing them for a week. Before we get there, we can check the cameras. Oh, shit, they're there. We're not going in right now. Let's let them leave first and then we'll sneak in. So for that, it's incredible. On those ones, you can use a solar panel, so you'll never have to change batteries. Like on the ones watching our house, they got solar panels. They're 100%.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  It's crazy. We're sitting right now and Jordan texts us, hey, Mom, there's a strange vehicle. Go on the app, look at it. I'm like, oh, okay, that's Buddy. He's got a different truck. He's cutting her.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Great, great for security.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. With the with the bears, though, the solar panels don't work so good because the bears like to eat them.

• 19:04Cameron Hanes?

  They, if you touch it, the bear wanna find out.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  They wanna mess with it.

• 19:07Cameron Hanes?

  They wanna find out what's going on.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  But in the spring with those cameras now, now you can go again on the app and you can look, you can check all the time. And they they come automatic on your phone. And it's like, oh, you're waiting for this big boar to show up or whatever. And it's like, oh, they're there. Well, you know, once he's in, you've got maybe three, four days to capitalize on it. So you can go in there.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Non-cellulars, we check, you know, we rebate all the baits at least once a week. So you're doing the.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  And then you're checking chips.

• 19:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, oh crap, he was there Monday and now it's Saturday already.

• 19:34Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, well, you guys are, your country's so spread out too. I mean, it's hours from hours one way to hours.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  It's five hours of driving.

• 19:42Cameron Hanes?

  Right. So you can't get to, how many baits you have? Sixty?

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:45Cameron Hanes?

  You can't get to sixty baits.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 19:47Cameron Hanes?

  And take advantage. You said like, sometimes it might be, be two days.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:52Cameron Hanes?

  A boar might have a sow there that's in heat and he wants to get her bred then go take off.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:57Cameron Hanes?

  So I know last year, uh, raven that I killed is the first eight footer. That bear, we saw it was on in the morning.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 20:04Cameron Hanes?

  It gave us that hit on the cell camera.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 20:07Cameron Hanes?

  And we got it run over there and got him, killed him like an hour.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 20:12Cameron Hanes?

  And normally if it was like the old days, might've checked that chip maybe a couple of days later.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:19Cameron Hanes?

  And oh, there was a bear here a couple of days ago. That doesn't help us.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Yep, exactly.

• 20:24Cameron Hanes?

  But you guys, I mean, it's like such a, such a game changer, especially because we only want to kill these old males.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:32Cameron Hanes?

  So it's not like that, you know, every bait has multiple bear on it and people, I think they get a little confused because they say, oh, this hunting doesn't look hard because there's a million bear there. Well, those aren't shooters. We're only after those big old males. Because that's what's best for the, you know, for the management of the species.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:52Cameron Hanes?

  And if we focus on those, well, you have to be able to keep track sixty baits. They'll, they'll, they'll be like twenty big boar, but.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 21:02Cameron Hanes?

  On what one?

• 21:02Speaker 01

  And he may only make a mistake once in five years, once in seven years.

• 21:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, cuz.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  Your bear was once in five years. Hers was once in seven years. No one had seen it in seven years.

• 21:12Cameron Hanes?

  And same, same with that was a scarface last year. Like how often you guys hadn't seen him and he'd been around for years also.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 23:12Speaker 01

  Nice thing with us is we don't have a lot of problems with nocturnal bears. Well, it doesn't get dark till 11 o'clock at night, right? So you've got a lot of hours of daytime to get them. It's daylight at four in the morning.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  It gives you a bit of advantage though too, of course, like with our weather, when it started raining. I mean, there's places you can't, they're not accessible. So it's like, okay, then you kind of look at the cameras. Okay, I can't really get it. Well, you could get in there, but it's going to take an extra hour and a half to get to that bait or two hours to get to that bait. So you can really adjust where you're taking who and plan out and what's safest and what's best.

• 23:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  It sucks that they banned them in, uh, Utah's banned now outside of hunting season.

• 23:48Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, the trail cameras?

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Use them outside of hunting season, but not during the season. I think like two weeks before you got to quit or something.

• 23:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  Kind of crazy. I mean, it doesn't, it's not going to make you, help you. It'll help you get one, but it's not going to make it guaranteed to get a big one.

• 24:00Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's still hunting.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  Well, because there's no where's it, you see a picture and it's like, okay, well, we're going to get there. Well, it's still going to be anywheres from an hour to two and a half, three hours before you're going to get there, if you can get there.

• 24:11Cameron Hanes?

  And also those big boar, I mean, I had to be perfect to kill that scarface last year.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:19Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I always see him, saw him a few times, but those old bear, because these baits have been, you've been baiting for years there. So it's like some of these bears that are twenties, they might be thirty years old. They know how it works, right? So they know like, okay, the stand's usually here. I'm keeping my eye there.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:37Cameron Hanes?

  And those old boar, they're not going to stand for any funny business.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  And they'd rather chase females than eat.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 24:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And, but the young bear are in there and they're coming up to you all the time and people see these videos and they're like, oh, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. It's like, that's not what we're trying to kill. We're trying to kill that one that's standing back there that won't come in unless you're perfect.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:59Cameron Hanes?

  And if you make a little tiny bit of noise, like I've told these guys, it's like, you know, it doesn't ruin the hunt, but they're back there listening.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:07Cameron Hanes?

  You make any noise, he's just like.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 25:09Cameron Hanes?

  I heard that.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 25:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. We're going to give it another hour now.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Back there 200 yards.

• 25:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:14Speaker 02

  Or, or smell that, that's different.

• 25:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  And you see him sometimes, or, well, with my big brown one circling.

• 25:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Way out there circling, didn't want to come in. Then the sow finally came in and he's circling, circling. We waited for two hours.

• 25:29Cameron Hanes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Finally he started, but he never stopped. He never came into the bait. He skirted the edge of the bait going after where she went and.

• 25:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  I just had a window.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Took the opportunity. Other than that, he wasn't coming into the bait.

• 25:40Cameron Hanes?

  Still got to get lucky. You still got to do everything perfect and get lucky.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  Hit him the right spot.

• 25:46Cameron Hanes?

  The key is there are giant black bear. So that's the first part. We got that out of the way. There's giant black bear in this country. Now.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  It's such a different animal.

• 25:54Cameron Hanes?

  Right. Now can we get lucky a little bit? Can we make good decisions? Can we not screw up when we're sitting there? Can we get a little favorable wind? Can, maybe a sow can drag them in. You still need things to go your way, but there's giant bear there. So at least there's that. Cause a lot of people are, they're bear hunting where there's no big bear and they're holding out hope for a big bear.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:15Cameron Hanes?

  But the outfitter might say, hey, any bear shows up, you better kill it.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:19Cameron Hanes?

  And sometimes that's how a lot of five foot bear get killed.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 26:22Cameron Hanes?

  Because that's just what, that's just what that area produces.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  I remember the old saying, color phase bears don't get that big. They just don't get big. Yeah, they do if you let them grow.

• 26:30Cameron Hanes?

  They do.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  But everybody wants to kill them when they're five foot because they're nice fur.

• 26:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  Mine was over eight foot square.

• 26:36Cameron Hanes?

  That's insane.

• 26:37Speaker 01

  And you guided one like that this spring too?

• 26:39Speaker 02

  I did another one this year. Yeah. Massive, massive.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  That was incredible.

• 26:43Cameron Hanes?

  How big was that one?

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Where did it go?

• 26:46Speaker 01

  Did he go? I should write it down. I did write it down somewhere, but, um.

• 26:49Cameron Hanes?

  Like seven, eight or something, was it?

• 26:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, high seven, wide, crazy wide.

• 26:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  It was way bigger than the barrel.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Big bear.

• 26:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Big bear.

• 26:59Speaker 01

  And that bear, no one had ever seen him.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  We seen him on camera.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  No one had ever seen him. Again, same thing. Those giants, no one had seen him. And I don't, some of them, some of them are really smart. Some of them I think are just lucky. Where the timing, you just weren't at the right place at the right time. Cause that one hit, he used to hit two, three different baits. This year he hit four baits. He went further.

• 27:22Cameron Hanes?

  It was not.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Traveled about twenty, twenty miles.

• 27:25Speaker 02

  Ones, yeah.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. He traveled about twenty miles.

• 27:27Cameron Hanes?

  I don't even want to say the, the number. Then everybody's keeping track of it.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  But he, he travels and he travels.

• 27:34Cameron Hanes?

  Big bear ridge, wasn't he?

• 27:35Speaker 01

  He just looked, yeah, he's just looking for sows. He just wants to breed everything there, which is amazing how many he's bred there. Cause remember the big old sow dude? We've got a brown sow that's over 20 years old. She's made so many babies that are that color.

• 27:46Cameron Hanes?

  Well.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  Him, same.

• 27:48Cameron Hanes?

  We think there's like a thirty year old sow.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:51Cameron Hanes?

  That one with no teeth, with the white all over its face, gray, gray face.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Gray hair speckled all through her whole.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  We never hunted there this year. Never, never had to.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  Well, you think though, we say that, but there's always going to be bears that come through that you just have never seen.

• 28:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  You don't know how far they're coming from, or have they always just had kind of little sections somewheres where it's really crappy to get into and that's their little honey hole and they've got enough girls or.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  Black bear lives in 10 square miles generally, except in the rut.

• 28:16Cameron Hanes?

  Well, and you guys have so much country. That's another thing. It's just like, it's northern Alberta, but it's like.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  It's over three million acres.

• 28:23Cameron Hanes?

  It's crazy. So, and it's so thick. This is why baiting is really the, the best way to manage these animals.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:31Cameron Hanes?

  Because we don't want to shoot sows. We don't want to shoot young male.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:35Cameron Hanes?

  And we need to be able to get a good look at them.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:38Cameron Hanes?

  And sex them sometimes. It's like, it's hard to tell a giant sow from a, from a boar.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:44Cameron Hanes?

  Cause there's seven foot sows. I mean, you talked about that one real old one. That's a huge bear. We had that big chocolate come in, uh, last year up on that log.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:53Cameron Hanes?

  And that thing was a seven foot, most beautiful bear. You'd swear it was a boar.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:59Cameron Hanes?

  And it was a sow.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  And she had three cubs with her.

• 29:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  We're like.

• 29:01Cameron Hanes?

  All different color, kinda.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  She came in again this year with a bunch of cubs again.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. We're like, wow. She's massive.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  She is big.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  She's big.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  There's so many color phases on that bait.

• 29:12Cameron Hanes?

  Go, that, that hunt, my, my, that's all I really look forward to in the spring is just going up and hunting with you guys. And it's like just being in camp and eating French toast.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  James even said he loves being up there.

• 29:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  So I guess we need to talk about what happened this year more. I know we posted on social and stuff about this year's bear.

• 29:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  Bears.

• 29:32Cameron Hanes?

  What happened?

• 29:34Speaker 02

  Pretty freaking awesome.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  You didn't have to spend nine days this time.

• 29:36Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  You were done like three quarters of the week and then you're, normally you'd be on a plane going home because you're busy. You had to get back to work to your day.

• 29:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Right? Now you were able to sit there. We relaxed. It was amazing.

• 29:46Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, it was so fun. It was so fun. I just, I just love the whole, I love it all. I love the camp. I love the people. Like we have good clients, you know, it's, it's feel really lucky to. Normally I don't have to share camp with very many people. You guys kind of keep my week separate, but we had a, a great, great camp this year.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Everybody was done early. Some went, went home early.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  So with your first bear, we went into, so we do have some little holes in the bottoms that we just can't get cell service.

• 30:16Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  So we still have to go old school.

• 30:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  So this is one of those holes. So we're baiting a run and this is one of the holes that we hadn't got to check the camera for a while. So we decided you and James, we went in there to check that camera, rebait and everything.

• 30:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. No big bears live there. It's.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  In the past.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  A lot of country behind it where they can come from.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. And there's, you know, there's always lurkers there.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  And we barely, we barely hunt some of those baits. Like you just don't have time. You, there's so many bears on so many baits that some of the baits you end up not even hunting them.

• 30:42Cameron Hanes?

  And some of them, it's like. Because you have to go pull that card.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:46Cameron Hanes?

  It's a little bit more of an effort.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  And it had rained like crazy. The trails were.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  It's a lot of mud to get there.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a shit show.

• 30:53Cameron Hanes?

  There's a, there's a washout or there was a washout there.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  You guys went to bait it? You went to check the camera?

• 30:57Speaker 02

  We went in in the morning to bait it and we got in there and it was like, oh, there's a, there's a bear there. Oh, there's a big bear there. And it's like, figured out it was a big boar and a big sow. And we're like, oh, baited it and they're kind of hanging around. So we did all of that and.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Coming at you guys or anything or what was he doing?

• 31:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he was, uh, yeah, I mean, he was not wanting to leave.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  Well, his girlfriend was there and we were kind of squeezing in between him and the girlfriend, I think.

• 31:23Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  He wasn't too happy about that.

• 31:24Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  So we went back to camp and we're thinking, what do we do? And.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  There again, I tell people, if you want to, if you want to kill a bear, don't come with me.

• 31:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  I'm like, don't shoot that bear. He's not big enough.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  And I'm like, he's beautiful. You didn't see him. I saw him. He's a beautiful bear. You know, bear. You saw him. He was a beautiful bear.

• 31:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  Big white marking on his chest. I was like, so when we're deciding where we want to go and you're like, I think we should go back.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Just so the viewers know, Cam is not a bear hog. Cam doesn't kill all the biggest bears we have. He's happy killing a nice bear.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  And this was a beautiful bear.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  With a nice coat. He's getting shot. I'm like, no, wait, we want to get a bigger one.

• 32:01Cameron Hanes?

  I love, yeah, like I'm, I don't follow the script as well as like you would like me to.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:07Cameron Hanes?

  Cause I just like bow honey.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  I have to bargain with you. Okay, we're not shooting till later tonight. We're gonna see what else comes in first.

• 32:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  Well, and I was with you this year and I was like, that's a beautiful bear.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  But the kicker was, so long story short, they seen it online. It's like, we did go back in and we're getting, we weren't into the bait yet. And we seen the sow up there and she took off and then off to the left, I guess, way in there, we saw another bear. And I'm like, so he went in spotting and stalking him.

• 32:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  So wasn't your normal bear hunt? Like he had to go in after him and he was not a small bear.

• 32:36Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  He's fricking beautiful bear.

• 32:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  And you're like, oh, good job.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Did you count two on that one?

• 32:42Cameron Hanes?

  Did, yeah. Got a really good one. Yeah. Which, uh, we still haven't figured out a, the right way to show that. I don't know if there is a right way.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  I've seen the kill shot and it's amazing.

• 32:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  I heard, cause I was following behind you guys. I didn't want to rush in behind because I wanted to make sure everything was good. Like I don't like doing that. I'm not him. I'm not going to run up behind you.

• 33:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  Cause like, I'm not a good runner in woods with the knees.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Explodes when the arrow goes through.

• 33:04Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Yeah.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  And then he did have quite an intense death moment.

• 33:08Cameron Hanes?

  He did.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  But he was done. Like he just laid there and it was done. I could see it all. And I was just like, well, and you, you know, you get goosebumps and all that because everybody's like, oh, the kill is so great. That's the main thing. No, it's this, the whole process of years and all the dynamics and the work and just everything worked out that he was there.

• 33:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 33:25Speaker 02

  We took a gamble.

• 33:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Cause if we went in there and he wasn't there, well then, okay, we'd have to decide, are we going to sit here? Are we going to back out? Go to a different bait?

• 33:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  But I think it was meant to be because it, it was pretty epic.

• 33:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And that one, um, he was sitting when I shot and it's a little bit different when their, their vitals kind of change with their stand up or they sit. It's a little, they hang or position a little differently. So I thought I smoked him, but I took off after him and I'm like, did I smoke him?

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. If you're gonna count two, you want to know that he's dead.

• 33:58Cameron Hanes?

  At the tree like this, like kind of going up, started to go up the tree and he's looking at me and I was like running up to him and I'm like,

• 34:07Cameron Hanes?

  wasn't sure, but then he kind of went down. I mean, he was, he was hurting, but yeah, it was intense. It's intense. But mostly I just like to be there to thank them.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:18Cameron Hanes?

  For their sacrifice, for, for allowing me to, you know, I'm going to eat that meat.

• 34:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:23Cameron Hanes?

  I killed him. That life means a lot to me. Um, I don't take it for granted. So I just want to thank them, but it's, it's an intense experience.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:31Cameron Hanes?

  It's, yeah. For many times we would get, have tears well up in our eyes because it is so powerful that, that moment and just what it means to us. And then of course, an animal died. So it's, it's.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, we don't take it lightly.

• 34:46Cameron Hanes?

  No, we don't. We don't.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. We love our bears. We protect our bears. Like we harvest the ones that need to be taken at the right time, but other than that, we don't want a bear killed for nothing.

• 34:55Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  Like a farmer, you know, a farmer that's having bear problems, they're eating his crop and everything. And they call me and say, can you come kill all these bears? I'm like, no, I can't.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  No.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Not gonna shoot.

• 35:03Speaker 02

  We're not those.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  With cubs.

• 35:04Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  You can legally, those bears can all be taken because they're damaging his crop, but I can't.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  It's just really hard for us.

• 35:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  Selective harvest.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  I don't want to say you're attached to them, but they're very important and you value every part of them.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  Protects all of our sows.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  Oh, I do.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  You're not shooting any sows at our place.

• 35:21Cameron Hanes?

  That, yeah, I think that needs, we need to talk about that too. That's, and like I said, there's many outfits that if a bear comes in.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:28Cameron Hanes?

  They tell their clients, shoot it.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Brand new hunters with, with us this year, they're rebooked again for next year and they're going to come every year, I believe. The thing that hit them was they've been to other camps. There was never a talk about a sow or anything else.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Or what it means, how to manage a population. Yeah.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. So us talking of you talking about, we don't harvest sows. We let them get, we let.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  But I explained why and they get it before that first time bear hunter, they don't know. They just want a bear.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Well, there's a difference between a bear and the good bear.

• 35:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  Like, and I mean, if I was, I guess, kind of a jerk, I'd be like, yeah, sure. Shoot whatever bear you want. It's your first bear. Who, what, parade? But it's not. It's like, I still.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  Same hunter, I was sitting on the bait with them and this beautiful color phase came in and I looked right away. Okay, it's a sow. It's got, we saw the, the genital, we saw the, we saw the vagina hair. So I was like, okay, it's a sow. And she's by herself walking around for an hour. And she's acting kind of weird. I thought she's probably got a little cub somewhere.

• 36:25Speaker 02

  Got cub somewhere.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Newborns.

• 36:27Cameron Hanes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  And all of a sudden, a couple hours later, out of the tree right above us, here comes this little brown thing.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  Two little ones. Yeah.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  I said to him, I says, now, if you were somewhere else, that bear come in, you'd have shot it because they wouldn't have warned you about anything. And now those bears are all dead.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  And then those babies are dead.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  That's why we manage.

• 36:46Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 36:46Speaker 02

  That's why you go to watch. And if a sow does come in and like, oh, well, they have no cubs or whatever. If they act all agitated or weird or they're pacing or they're circling and all that, normally it's because they got babies. Maybe not right at the bait. It could be 200 yards out.

• 36:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  But you'll hear it and eventually hear the little.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Yearlings will be with her, but if they're like this newborn or first thing in the spring, you're not going to see them for a while.

• 37:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And that, and how that, I don't know if there's any worse feeling than killing a bear.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:13Cameron Hanes?

  And it's a sow and then you see it's lactating.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:16Cameron Hanes?

  Cause then you know.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:18Cameron Hanes?

  Cubs are gonna die.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:20Cameron Hanes?

  And that, you know, hunting is like,

• 37:25Cameron Hanes?

  it's hard, it's hard. It's hard.

• 37:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:27Cameron Hanes?

  But you don't want to make a poor decision. And then, because sometimes those, those decisions, you think about them for a long time.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:36Cameron Hanes?

  And it's not like we just kill and we forget. It's like, I don't care about these animals. It means a lot. And then you think about like, then you think about you killed a sow and then you wonder about those, the fate of those cubs. And that's, I don't, that is hard.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  But here's the flip side of that. If you can be that person, which I definitely cannot be, that can do that and be like, oh, whatever, there's more. Oh, whatever. It'll die. It's nature taking its course. I'm like, no, no, no, that's not nature taking its course. Like, that's why I impressed so much about checking what type, you know, what sex the bear is.

• 38:10Cameron Hanes?

  You, you inserted yourself in there and killed that sow. That wasn't nature.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  I mean, maybe a boar will get a cub or something will happen. A wolf or something like that. That's nature. But we control the controllables. You have, that's why we had people come. No binoculars. I'm like, I say on my list, bring binoculars. Like, ah, we're sitting 20 yards. Why do we need binoculars? How else do you see it?

• 38:29Cameron Hanes?

  Well, that you said you saw the vagina hair and that's what people, you know, like where they pee out the back that it bleaches those hairs sometimes on a female.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:37Cameron Hanes?

  And then a male will have like penis hair, like it has the penis, but then there's longer hairs.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  Like on a dog when they're walking.

• 38:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 38:44Speaker 02

  And I started doing this years and years ago. And he's like, what I, I'm trying to figure out what, because people said the ears are big, the head, the size, the paws, this, it's all general. But you've seen some of our sows.

• 38:55Cameron Hanes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:56Speaker 02

  You would, that big brown one.

• 38:58Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  Absolutely positive that couldn't have been a big boar. But then as she's walking, it's like, no, that's a big mama.

• 39:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  And then we do the beaver pool.

• 39:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yep.

• 39:07Speaker 02

  Hoping that they, you know, that they'll go up and stand up. And then if it's a sow and she's lactate, you'll see right away on her chest that she's nursing.

• 39:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Or that she has spots where she has in the past. And then if it's a boar, well, obviously you see, like we call it the twig and berries. They're right there. You can't miss it.

• 39:21Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  I mean, somebody said Stevie Wonder could have seen those ones. So, you know.

• 39:25Cameron Hanes?

  But one, you know, a lot of time those big bear come in low light, even when they're standing, you still have to have those binoculars on there.

• 39:32Speaker 01

  Low light, you just don't shoot.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  You know, that last 10, 15 minutes where you're not sure, it's going to be hard to judge. It gets tougher to make a shot too. You're looking at black, you know, trying to.

• 39:42Speaker 02

  And if I'm sitting with clients for like, what do you think? I'm like, I cannot see. This is my job and I cannot, I can't.

• 39:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  It's just too dark. And I'm like, I'm calling it. Well, there's 15 minutes. We can sit until the end.

• 39:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:52Speaker 02

  But we're not shooting because I'm sure you can't see your pee anymore.

• 39:55Cameron Hanes?

  Want people to kill just as bad as they do.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  But I want it to successful kill. I want it to clean kill.

• 40:00Cameron Hanes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  And when it's low light, you know how tricky it is to see, because you say you always want to pick that hair.

• 40:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Well, in, in the dark, when it's low, low light on a black bear.

• 40:08Cameron Hanes?

  Can't see.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  It's tough. It's tough.

• 40:10Cameron Hanes?

  And also like you'll have a bear come in that's like, might be borderline, might be six, six and a half, which early in the hunt.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:18Cameron Hanes?

  A six and a half a boar, maybe you want to wait for a seven.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:21Cameron Hanes?

  But that bear comes in in light and you're like, oh, it's a six and a half a boar.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:25Cameron Hanes?

  It comes in, last 15 minutes, that's a giant.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, they get bigger.

• 40:30Cameron Hanes?

  There, that, the outline of them is dark.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:33Cameron Hanes?

  And it gets, gets a little bigger because of the low light.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:36Cameron Hanes?

  You're convinced it's a seven foot boar. It's the same boar.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  With me all, there's a big one.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  It's massive. It's massive. And you see it.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  Nope. Same bear.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  And then the other thing too is so that low light, maybe it's a bigger bear. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's the same little one that came back in. What I also tell the guys, they, in the moment, you forget about it. I'm like, our policy is if you draw blood, that's your tag.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  So if you mess up and it's a smaller bear, well, it's still your tag. You still get a bear. But if you do a crappy shot or the bear moves or you can't get a good shot in.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Hunters say, that's not fair. That's not fair to the hunter. And no, but it's fair to the animal.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  It's fair to the animal.

• 41:08Cameron Hanes?

  Exactly.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  So, and they're like, oh, yeah. And it's not.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  You know which line I'm fed up of hearing online is the, you know, in the woods with bear or other animals, people are like, well, you're in his domains. Like. Well, where's our domain in the frickin' city?

• 41:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, right.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  We'll put here, we'll put here by God, dude.

• 41:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  To have dominion over all these animals and fish.

• 41:29Cameron Hanes?

  We're, we're no different. We're just as welcome out there as they are.

• 41:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're part of it, too.

• 41:33Cameron Hanes?

  We're try, that, that's where, you know, people say, well, can't Mother Nature take care of itself? It's like, we've got cities all over that we, we interfered with habitat.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:42Cameron Hanes?

  So now, all the animals that maybe could have survived.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:46Cameron Hanes?

  That habitat has shrunk. So now we, we can't have as many animals as, as it once were. We need to control it for the, the habitat they have. That's, that's hunting, basically.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  And they're here, they are here for us to eat.

• 41:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 41:58Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 41:59Cameron Hanes?

  For sure.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  I like steak. I like, I like it. We had bear nachos the other day at Wayne Alisa's. Really good, really good.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  The bear you cook. Can bear is so good.

• 42:08Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I know.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  The other class?

• 42:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, Wayne, I, I got a bunch of canned bear from, from, uh, from Wayne, too. And it's just, it's so, people, I, I don't know. Every time we cook bear hams up there with you on the Traeger.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:21Cameron Hanes?

  People are always blown away by how good that meat is.

• 42:24Speaker 02

  And it's good. You would never know if I, if I didn't tell you it was bear.

• 42:27Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  You think this is pretty good beef.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  She always marinades it for a couple, two, three days before. People are like, oh yeah, well, you can marinate anything and make it taste good. Well, you don't have to marinate. She could do it without marinating. It'd be just as good.

• 42:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  I'll say it again. I do it. So this is the first time you're going to taste bear. And I could give you a piece, just normal, like backstrap or whatever. It'll be good. And that's cool. But do I want just a okay? Or do I want a raving fan? I want them to taste it and be like, wow, this is amazing. Then they get in their head. They understand why we love it so much is because we love to eat it.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  It's no different than somebody brining a turkey or marinating your steak for.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  I did, I mean, I did, uh, on the weekend here, I did a whole bunch of, uh, pork butts. I marinated them for a couple of days because I like that infusion of flavor. Just so it gets in and it just, I don't know. It's just what I like to do.

• 43:12Cameron Hanes?

  We try, we try to, we measure the animals to the best of their ability. We take pictures to make the animals look the best. And we prepare it to make them taste the best.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, because we value it.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 43:20Cameron Hanes?

  It's, yeah. So we put that extra effort in there. That's what it's about.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:25Cameron Hanes?

  And like, why would you criticize that?

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:27Cameron Hanes?

  I don't understand it.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. When you get, okay, this person, say they're criticizing, if you do eat meat and you go to the store and you buy yourself like a really nice tomahawk, beef tomahawk, and you're going to spend 30, 40, 50 bucks for that one steak. Are you just going to throw it like in the oven with nothing?

• 43:41Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  And let it get all brown and nasty and shriveled and well done? No, you're going to take care. You're going to make a nice rub on it.

• 43:47Cameron Hanes?

  Steak, yeah.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  You're going to sear it. You're going to put garlic butter on it and make, you know, make it yummy.

• 43:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  Make me hungry.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  Garlic butter on anything, it's going to taste good.

• 43:55Cameron Hanes?

  No, I know. People, I don't know what the motive of people is.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  There's enough positive ones out there that.

• 44:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Who cares?

• 44:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  We really enjoy eating it. We really enjoy cooking it and sharing it and introducing people kind of like what we love to do. And when you're up there, we'll feed you moose. We'll feed you elk. We'll feed you grouse.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  We'll feed you whatever deer. Like, I like people to experience. Some people have never tried any of it.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  I was supposed to do it before. When I get home, I'm making a bunch of bear jerky.

• 44:20Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah?

• 44:20Speaker 01

  So good. We made some for Luke one time on his, we met him at Calgary at a show and

• 44:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  They took a few bags on the, on the bus and ate it fast. Like, they were, they were half an hour down the road and it was gone.

• 44:31Cameron Hanes?

  I always take pepperoni down there to Joe's when I do his podcast.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  We, we need about a 60 hour day.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  I know.

• 44:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  And then I can start catching up.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  We don't sit down till, she's got us outside working till 11 o'clock at night and then we get in, have a bite and go to bed.

• 44:46Cameron Hanes?

  That's what, that's what I always try to impress on that, when I give the talks. It's like, how hard you guys work and, and why it.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  In and out of the season.

• 44:54Cameron Hanes?

  Right. And why it, it means so much because it's so much effort is involved. You guys have been doing this for decades.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:01Cameron Hanes?

  But also just, then you, then you go, you know, go in a little tighter on it. It's like every year, so much work. It's like, when you're deep in the backcountry and everything depends on your gear, your knife can't be the weak link. That's why I teamed up with Montana Knife Company to build the Keep Hammering Pack Out. What matters to me in all things is performance. The pack out is built to do one thing really well, break down animals efficiently. The blade shape gives you control when skinning, the steel holds an edge, and it's light enough that you don't think twice about carrying it all day. When you're tired, cold, and working on an animal miles from the truck, simple and reliable are everything. Montana Knife Company is American made and that matters to me.

• 45:45Cameron Hanes?

  I know Josh Smith personally, and he doesn't cut corners. He cares about quality, doing things the right way, and about building products here in the USA that actually perform in the field. That's why I trust this knife. If you want to check it out, head to montanaknifecompany.com and right now, podcast listeners, get 10% off any knife with code CAM10. C I M 10. The Keep Hammering Pack Out. Built for the backcountry, built to work. Out in the mountains, there's no room for weak gear. When I'm packing out meat in the heat or loading up for a long range training trip, I need a cooler that holds the line every time.

• 46:28Cameron Hanes?

  That's why I use Grizzly Coolers. These things are bear proof, rugged as hell, and keep ice locked in for days, literally. I've had coolers on the trail, baking in the sun, still holding ice after hauling out elk quarters. That's performance you can count on. Whether you're running deep in the backcountry or just stacking meat for the weekend, Grizzly is built for that grind. Right now, you can get 20% off at grizzlycoolers.com with the code KEEPHAMMERING. And that's all one word. And I'm not going to spell it. Keep hammering. Again, keep hammering, one word for 20% off. Don't roll with weak gear. Go Grizzly.

• 47:11Cameron Hanes?

  You're getting better because it used to be like had to go get the, the oats, you know?

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:16Cameron Hanes?

  Now you have them delivered.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  And it's like, we got fuel at the farm.

• 47:20Cameron Hanes?

  Fuel and the side by sides, like those Kawasaki side by sides with the enclosed cab.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  More of those next spring. That'll be even better.

• 47:27Cameron Hanes?

  With the, with the TactiCam trail cameras. So

• 47:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:30Cameron Hanes?

  Fine tuning everything.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 47:32Cameron Hanes?

  It's still built all around giant bear, but the process is getting even, even better.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  The skinning, the butchering, the packaging, just, we, we try.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  Concrete pad at the skinning shed.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:42Cameron Hanes?

  Got your ribbon co-sign up at the skinning table.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  That's cool. I was like, good idea, Cam.

• 47:48Cameron Hanes?

  Branded. But no, so everything's just getting just a little bit better, but it's still, the, the name of the game is big bear.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  This spring was my less stressed spring forever. You know why?

• 48:00Cameron Hanes?

  Why?

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Didn't have to fix anything.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  Kawasaki's.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  I was not.

• 48:03Cameron Hanes?

  I know you were always.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  The other brand, I was fixing all the time.

• 48:06Cameron Hanes?

  I remember.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  Once a week.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  One day a week.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  Something's going to break. I'm going to have to change parts.

• 48:10Cameron Hanes?

  You're like a master mechanic out there.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  I can fix.

• 48:13Cameron Hanes?

  Rebuilding those things.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Fast.

• 48:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  Done it too much.

• 48:16Cameron Hanes?

  And you say like the, the seal on the hubs or the axle or it's like, mud would get in there.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:21Cameron Hanes?

  It's just, you know.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  And our clay is brutal on stuff. It is.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  Those Kawasaki's are built so good. Like, everything that was the problem with the other brand, they've done to perfection.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  How many times, what did we have to fix this season?

• 48:33Speaker 01

  I changed brakes once.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  After a year.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  A year, yeah, a year ago. Yeah, when I told them how many miles I got.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Once a month.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  I got 3,000 miles on a set of brakes. They're like, are you serious?

• 48:42Cameron Hanes?

  Wow.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  It's incredible.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  Well, I never touched the brakes. We're, we're putting around like old grandpas hunting. We're not racing and

• 48:48Speaker 02

  We're not going over dunes and.

• 48:50Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:51Cameron Hanes?

  Hauling heavy bear around.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  All the heavy bears.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  No, I'm so impressed with it. I'm like, now I have a new windshield coming in for the other one. So I'm pretty excited about that.

• 48:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:59Cameron Hanes?

  So now, yeah, now, now we're getting a little bit spoiled.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:03Cameron Hanes?

  Now we're like, where's the windshield on this thing?

• 49:04Speaker 01

  Goes good. We'll have three crew caps with full air conditioning.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Right. We were in it. Were you with me? Who was with me the day it was pouring and all that rain was coming off the front? Just covering us in rain.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  You don't care?

• 49:15Speaker 02

  Oh, it doesn't, well.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  We went ice fishing in minus 30 with it on the lake.

• 49:20Cameron Hanes?

  No, she was in the open one.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  The way open one.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  Cause somebody took the one with the windshield because he was going through there. So I'm like, okay, cool. We'll do this.

• 49:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  And you're like rain gear, goggles on and you're soaked. And I was like, okay, I'm doing this, but I'm not happy about it.

• 49:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Well, we'll get the enclosed one. Everybody will be happy and comfortable.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  It's so good.

• 49:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's, it's amazing. It's, it's, it's definitely, I think it's, I mean, I love all my hunts, but just because it's for so many reasons, it's my favorite one of the year. Just, just being up there is.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:52Cameron Hanes?

  I just can't wait every year.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Well, we like it. So we, we always try to keep your week. So when you come up and everybody's like, oh, when's Cam going to be there? People are trying to get your week and they're like, hey, I want this week. I won't say what week it is. I want this week. I'm sorry, it's booked. And it's like, we like it if you can come up and you can just kind of like chill. We get how crazy busy you are all the time. And it's like, and then we can just chill.

• 50:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  You know?

• 50:12Cameron Hanes?

  It's fun.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  Hunt, kind of do our own schedule.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  I'm hoping to kill a big bear this fall.

• 50:16Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  It's been a lot of years. I don't even remember the last one I killed.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  We went out a few days, just if, we had what, two days?

• 50:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  Three days. Kind of really two, three days after the season was done, all our clients were gone. Just to go check stuff out and we sat. And he just

• 50:31Speaker 01

  I had a window. I had a window to kill him, but I missed it.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Missed it.

• 50:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he was in.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  I was too busy.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Was at the tail end of season and we're like, oh, well.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Tail end, he was there right after, right after the last group left.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:44Cameron Hanes?

  What?

• 50:44Speaker 01

  It was raining. I'm like, screw it. I'm not.

• 50:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. No, it's been a long year.

• 50:48Speaker 02

  Trail was

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:50Speaker 02

  Horrid.

• 50:50Cameron Hanes?

  It's, it's a ways back there too. I mean, it's a ways.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  Two hours, two and a half hours to get in there.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Two and a half hours.

• 50:57Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  And I'm like, this is, this is tough.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  But.

• 51:01Cameron Hanes?

  It's a long way. What, um, what do you think is the biggest factor for people not getting a big bear? Like what, what sabotage? How do they sabotage?

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Five days. So.

• 51:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Not everybody's going to get a giant.

• 51:15Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  Realistically.

• 51:16Cameron Hanes?

  Cause a giant has to come in. You have to be perfect as we talked about.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:19Cameron Hanes?

  But there's no guarantee.

• 51:21Speaker 02

  But even to get a good bear, like, I don't want to make it so, like even those seven footers, they're pretty smart. They'll make a little bit more mistakes, but the older they get, they learn stuff. I probably from being with, sitting with a bunch of, a bunch of hunters for a lot of years. Maybe they get complacent. They're like, nobody's, cause they're sitting alone now. And it's like, well, I can get away with this movement or I can, they'll pee off the stand, which is fine. But if you're peeing 15 times off the stand, your sense is there. The bear smell it. If that big one.

• 51:51Cameron Hanes?

  Just, I'll just say, I've never peed off a stand. So I know people can do it. I am like so.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  I pee at the bait all the time.

• 51:59Cameron Hanes?

  I'm so.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  But they're used to my smell.

• 52:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's true. You're up there all the time, but I, I don't take any chances.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:05Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I always take the practice shot.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:08Cameron Hanes?

  I don't move around.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:09Cameron Hanes?

  I don't pee or like, I'm like, I pretend like they're white tail.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Your practice shot is a nice confidence builder.

• 52:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 52:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think people take for granted, like what we kind of touched on before is because the smaller bears are coming in and the average bears are coming in. And you can like, oh, my zipper or a bag or a can or a cough or whatever. And it's like, oh, they look at you and they keep going.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  The more mature they are, they usually don't mess up.

• 52:33Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  Unless they're really, really distracted.

• 52:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. They're not giving you that, that, those second, third chances.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  So we've talked before about some of the, the old wives tales of bears, like a bear's eyesight is poor.

• 52:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Totally not true. It's got about the same eyesight as a human.

• 52:49Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  Uh, the other one, the other line I've been hearing lately, I'm like, it's so, it's such bullshit that when you see a bear, he's as scared of you as you are of him.

• 52:58Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  That is the biggest bullshit line ever.

• 53:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It's a, what I, what I, I think one thing, I don't know. It's kind of hard. It's just like those old bear, you just, you just can't screw up.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:13Cameron Hanes?

  And I mean, I, I even went so far like where I killed last year, so I made that other separate blind on the side. Because he was so dialed in on, and he was just never coming in ever.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  No, cause he'd walk in and he'd look, he'd look for where you were, you were supposed to be.

• 53:29Cameron Hanes?

  If he saw something there, cause we're sitting on the ground where we know, so we're, I'm kind of sabotaging myself in that way where I like being on the ground. You're definitely making it harder.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:39Cameron Hanes?

  To kill. If you're in the tree, in the tree stand.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:42Cameron Hanes?

  That's a way to kill a big bear for sure.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:45Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, so if people say, I want to sit on the ground, just know, okay, you're kind of screwing yourself.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. And they want to sit with us. They want to sit with me.

• 53:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  And I'm like, if you really want to kill a big one, go sit by yourself. Sit in the tree stand.

• 53:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  They won't know you're there. Yeah.

• 53:58Speaker 02

  More time in the stand. It's better.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  And plus I won't let you shoot anything either.

• 54:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And I think, I think people too is maybe they, um, I don't know. Maybe they're not quite realistic. Cause I know people have said, I want to sit on the ground. I'm going to kill one on the ground. You leave them on the ground. All of a sudden they're up in the tree stand. Cause they're like.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  At least the stand is there that they can go up.

• 54:21Cameron Hanes?

  It sounds good to sit on the ground.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  They're harassing you.

• 54:24Cameron Hanes?

  Cause yeah, right. And where I killed Scarface last year, there's two like younger bear and they're now that are aggressive.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 54:31Cameron Hanes?

  And.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Lisa found that out.

• 54:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's, it's not fun.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 54:35Cameron Hanes?

  Cause you don't know what they're going to do.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. You, you don't care about bears and they were bugging you to the point where it's like.

• 54:40Cameron Hanes?

  No, I had to chase a one.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:42Cameron Hanes?

  Cause he was, I was like, like doing them all my normal stuff, the knife pointing and he's just like, nope.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  Want to play?

• 54:51Cameron Hanes?

  That's all you got? You got that knife? I got 10 knives.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  That new knife there will be good.

• 54:55Cameron Hanes?

  That one was orange. That was this one.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  That'll reach all the vitals.

• 54:59Cameron Hanes?

  But I think people think that, oh yeah, I want to kill one on the, on the ground too, until they get a bear from, from me to you.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:06Cameron Hanes?

  And then they're like, I don't know if I like this anymore.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  Or you see them fighting, trying to kill each other.

• 55:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 55:11Speaker 02

  At the bait.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  They did that to them, to them. What about me?

• 55:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:14Cameron Hanes?

  Or you see like a sow might chase a, a younger boar or an old boar might chase something, but, and they run just as fast up the tree as they did on the ground.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 55:24Cameron Hanes?

  And you're like, what?

• 55:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:26Cameron Hanes?

  They, they are so athletic and fast and powerful and strong. And then you're sitting there like just with your little camo jacket on.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 55:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  We're easy.

• 55:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  We cave. Yeah.

• 55:37Cameron Hanes?

  Definitely. Our skin is very, very soft.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. His chainsaw incident this year, he, uh, tore very early.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Very, very easily.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  That wasn't fun.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  No.

• 55:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  That was scary.

• 55:47Cameron Hanes?

  I bet. Well, that's, that's another part. There's risk out there with you guys doing the work every day.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  Crapping before hunters come. We're going out. The snow is finally almost gone. We're clearing the trails. Cause I mean, all the.

• 55:57Speaker 01

  Trees falling everywhere from the winter. So.

• 55:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  So you're out there and he was going to go by himself and our son Jordan's like, no dad, I'm going to go with you. No, no, I'm just going to run up here before I go to town, do this one bait real quick.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Go to this one bait. I'll come back then we'll go.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  And Jordan was like, no, we're not going. Cause we talked about this. We're not going solo anymore. Cause there's just, things can happen, which it happened.

• 56:17Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  He was chainsawing, kicked back.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Running too big of a chainsaw. Normally I use my little 16 inchers for cutting brush clearing trail and you're moving around quick. You're cutting, doing it 40 years. So you're used to it. You do it fast.

• 56:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 56:29Speaker 01

  And to get into those baits, like the first trip into those baits in the spring, you're chainsawing for an hour to clear all the trees.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  It's a lot of work.

• 56:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  A lot of work. So it takes time to get all the first initial baiting done.

• 56:39Cameron Hanes?

  I bet.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  And yeah, nicked, nicked my leg, pants all tore.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  Chainsawing, Jordan was.

• 56:43Speaker 01

  There's snow on the ground and I didn't, I didn't know that it hurt me that bad. And Jordan looks and he goes, dad.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  He heard a noise. It was a different noise.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  On the snow and it's pouring out. I'm like, holy frick. No medic kit with me this time. Nothing. And Jordan rips off his hoodie and ties a knot around it and we jump on that four rudder and he's trying to get cell service. There's none for 10 miles.

• 57:03Speaker 02

  Well, he also did volunteer fire department for quite a few years. So he kind of knew a bit.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm driving and I'm backing out of there, ruts and snow and trees all around us. And at first I'm panicking a bit. I'm backing up to get the hell out of there to get home and not bleed to death. Cause my first thought was you're going to bleed to death. You're going to bleed out and you're going to die here.

• 57:21Cameron Hanes?

  Could happen.

• 57:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it could. And the enemy is just, of course he's after.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm like, God, don't let me die here. I don't, I'm okay with going to heaven, but I don't want to leave my family without me right now.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  It was quite yet. One of those moments that kind of make you think about everything.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  So then I'm like, okay, don't drive like an idiot. Back up nice. So you don't get stuck or break something. Cause then you're screwed. There's no cell service here. You're 10 miles out. You will bleed out here.

• 57:42Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  So it took it easier. Jordan's got the phone up all the way, trying to reach cell service to them.

• 57:47Speaker 02

  And he's getting service. We find out this after. So they come into the yard and Jordan's like, oh, where, why are Jordan's in your phone? Dad got hurt, whatever. And he's on the deck. And I come out and I'm like, what? I didn't know. I was on the back deck, pressure washing the tractors in the back deck, getting ready for clients. Julia's got her headset on, busting out, cleaning up all the rooms. Like we have clients coming in a couple of days.

• 58:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  And we're like, oh crap. And I thought it can't be that bad.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  If there's ever an emergency, we're not trying to reach you guys.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  No. We're, well, I was pressure washing, but anyways, I went and seen, I was like, okay, yeah, we, I took a peek. I'm like, let's go to the hospital. You need stitches. So you end up having to get stitches and stuff and.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  And then, yeah, take it easy. Don't put any weight on it for a while. Yeah.

• 58:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  Going baiting tomorrow. We got work to do.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  Banished it up good and went baiting, but it, it could have been worse. Cause where it snagged on his pants, you could see like where the chain, where the blade, I guess of the saw, you know how it kind of skips a little bit? You can see what was back towards the back of the calf, where all the meat is. And it kind of hit more on the front where the bone is. So there wasn't as much meat.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  The most pain I've ever felt in my life is when he stuck the needle in there to freeze it before stitching it.

• 58:50Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 58:51Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 58:52Speaker 02

  He was.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  My pants.

• 58:54Cameron Hanes?

  Was it all, cause on the shin?

• 58:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, right on the front of the shin.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  Shin.

• 58:58Cameron Hanes?

  Holy shit.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  I'm watching.

• 58:59Cameron Hanes?

  When he got that tattoo on.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  But he wasn't doing it nice. Like I'm watching him and he's just in there poking and.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  Jen's enjoying washing it. Cause I've never had pain. I've never had surgery really.

• 59:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  I'm just sitting there and I'm just kind of grinning. He's like, you need to, you, you need to stop that. And I'm like, I'm sorry. I, I don't like that you're hurt, but.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, when you go to the dentist and they freeze you with the needle?

• 59:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  They usually go in the other room and work on somebody else for a few minutes. They freeze. He starts stitching immediately after the needle. I'm like, ow. Oh, you shouldn't feel it. I'm like, well, give it five minutes to freeze at least.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  And then he stitches again.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Does a second one. Ow.

• 59:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  And then the third one, it finally froze and I could watch him do it. Cause I didn't feel it anymore.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  That was, yeah.

• 59:39Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, it's so imagine if that was just a little deeper.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:42Cameron Hanes?

  You know, or

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 59:43Cameron Hanes?

  You know, where that where that femoral comes down in here, it does go down.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:48Cameron Hanes?

  Your, your, your lower leg too. You can get a big artery down there.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  Well, think if you're alone.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, we carry, we, we've got the medic kids. So the pants, the protective pants for chainsawing.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  The tacks.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  That last year, they were in the garage on the shelf.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  The helmet, the goggles, all that. That's what everybody says. So where's your protective gear?

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  You should see me cut now. I'm so careful.

• 1:00:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  I used to just move around.

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  Now he's like.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  I was a big 20 inch saw too, heavy saw. That thing's getting put away except for cutting firewood or big logs, you know?

• 1:00:17Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  So we got these electric duals now.

• 1:00:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  Beautiful. Take your finger off the trigger and they stop.

• 1:00:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  I guess the positive note is it, it makes you take a step back and say, okay, let's just not turn forward. We have to be a little bit more careful.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  And we don't go anywhere alone.

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  No, and we're not as young as we used to be.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, big country there, man. You're a little out there. Something happens.

• 1:00:35Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  Break a leg.

• 1:00:37Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  You're gonna lay there and no cell service till someone finds you, hopefully.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  Or we'll feed you.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:00:42Cameron Hanes?

  Back where that, you know, the bear that you were wanting to kill, imagine if something you broke down or something happened back there.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  There's very few people that come save you there, first of all, because they can't get there.

• 1:00:52Cameron Hanes?

  Was that like 40 K back there?

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And some of it, you gotta be on tracks, depending how much water there is.

• 1:00:58Cameron Hanes?

  It's like 25, 30 miles.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:01Cameron Hanes?

  You're hurt?

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  And it's a shit show to get in there, period.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  But you want to access that area because you want to access new bear. We're always expanding and changing it up.

• 1:01:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:12Cameron Hanes?

  Because you're always like, what could show up?

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:15Cameron Hanes?

  Is there a nine foot black bear back here?

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:01:17Cameron Hanes?

  That's never seen a human? That's always like the, what if?

• 1:01:20Speaker 02

  What if?

• 1:01:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  Well, he's always at, well, what if we just go a little bit further, a little bit deeper?

• 1:01:27Cameron Hanes?

  The promised land.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  It's gotta be better on the other side, right?

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  It is there.

• 1:01:31Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  Get to those spots, all of a sudden a bear comes and with no teeth.

• 1:01:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's, that's what keeps you going.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:37Cameron Hanes?

  It's like always like the what if, but it's what's crazy is like where I killed Scarface.

• 1:01:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:42Cameron Hanes?

  That's not even very far back.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:01:44Cameron Hanes?

  So you don't have to be a million miles back then. You just have to be where it's been managed, right?

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:01:49Cameron Hanes?

  And you guys have shot the right bear, let the, let the, the right bear go and grow.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  We do well on baits that we set up last year. We do well on baits that I've had for, since the late 90s, late 80s, sorry, late 80s.

• 1:02:00Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  And see the, there, there again, the baiting is a key. So at that bait, you have, yeah, sows, average bears, whatever, but you can watch. If you wouldn't congregate all those bears together, your chances of seeing that big boar?

• 1:02:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  Next to nothing.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  Because you're actually bringing them in because he, he might eat a little bit, but he wants, he wants the sow.

• 1:02:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And you guys are always evaluating like what's, what's best for the hunt. Like where I killed that bear, there was a bait close to there that you stopped baiting because you thought it might be pulling bear off, you know, harder to pattern them.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  I was only 3K away. It was reaching other bears in the different area there, but still.

• 1:02:38Speaker 02

  Well, there's lots of beaver ponds and all this stuff. You kind of, you gotta assess all that to the creeks and everything. So you're like, yeah, this one always did good. But this guy, for some reason, he was always doing some traveling. So we're like, okay, let's just not bait that. And then all the other bear that are there that he's after will congregate here too. So it's just, you can direct, you can try to direct traffic.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 1:02:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:57Cameron Hanes?

  Because I think on the, on the one road, wasn't the, the boar like from 25K to 3K?

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:03Cameron Hanes?

  I mean.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  He did that in one day.

• 1:03:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  So. Shit, is it the same one?

• 1:03:08Cameron Hanes?

  Long, long way.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  I examined the photos, like, is it him? Is it the same? Yeah, it's him.

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  He was looking.

• 1:03:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So they, they will travel.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:15Cameron Hanes?

  So they don't, you don't necessarily have to be a million miles back.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  No, that's right.

• 1:03:19Cameron Hanes?

  It's just gotta be in the right place, the right time.

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  Yep. My dad always said, if there's bush, there's bears. Be like, is there bears out here? If there's bush, there's bears.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:27Cameron Hanes?

  Bush dragons.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  There's bears right here outside of town.

• 1:03:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, for sure. Yeah, no, it's a.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  James, when's Bush Dragon four coming out?

• 1:03:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, James.

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  When we get back from our three weeks and.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  Tuck you up, tuck, yeah.

• 1:03:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, well, it's gonna be a good one.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  We're still taking care of booking people from three and two.

• 1:03:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we, we better let it settle down and then we can get it out.

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:53Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. You guys are gonna be all sold out by then.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Okay, so how do I deal with this? All the hunters, well, almost all the hunters that came this year are rebooking for next year. They just want to keep coming back.

• 1:04:04Speaker 02

  And they want their same week.

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  We're ending up now with more lifelong bear hunters than before. This, usually there's very few people that'll hunt bear every year.

• 1:04:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  They do it once or twice and their wife's like, okay, you got your bear, go hunt something else.

• 1:04:14Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  And now it's like, they're coming back every year. They want to eat bear. They want to, they want to be there and hunt with us and.

• 1:04:21Cameron Hanes?

  Why do you think, what do you think's changed? Is it, is it just the, just the camp and just?

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  A bunch of people that have booked over the last two years have heard us on the podcast with you and they've heard us talk about God and they're like, we're believers. We want to go to Canada. We might as well go with you guys. We're believers, you're believers. We don't want to be in a camp with a bunch of drunks that are screaming and fighting and.

• 1:04:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  Like that, like the old days was like that.

• 1:04:43Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  Anymore.

• 1:04:44Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  So yeah, that's been crazy. How many people are booking because of that? Or some people have said, hey, I've, we heard you guys talk about God and the peace that you have. I want that. So I'm gonna go hunt with you guys.

• 1:04:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  Or they're going through a tough time and they're like, hey, they just, God's bringing them to us and we're gonna love on them and I mean, that's what we're there for.

• 1:05:04Cameron Hanes?

  The way we talk about it is it's so positive. It's hard work, yes, but there's reward to it. There's fellowship. There's a lot of positive that I think people. There's a lot of people in life who don't have that. They're missing that.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  I think it's a combination of.

• 1:05:21Cameron Hanes?

  A lot of stuff.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:22Cameron Hanes?

  It's a lot of stuff.

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  Because a lot of time, if you're a single guy going, not meaning single, like not married, but one individual going to a camp all by yourself.

• 1:05:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  It can be pretty daunting.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  Like just think you're going to an event, you're all by yourself and you don't know anybody. You feel kind of like a fish out of water.

• 1:05:38Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Well, we try to always welcome everybody in, like, nobody's above anybody else. We love on everybody the same. They're like, favoritism on bait. No, that doesn't happen. But I think they see now that, especially because we talk about all this stuff. I mean, we want them in, we want them to help them succeed. Like, not everybody becomes part of the family, of course, because some people you never see again, but we, we try to treat everybody like family. I mean, and that's why I like to keep it the size that we are and.

• 1:06:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  Which is getting tough because everybody's like, hey, how many do you want to take a week? And I'm like, holy moly.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  I'll say this on the podcast, so people that are listening, our clients, new clients, old clients, they can kind of figure out what they want to do because everybody that was there this spring wants to rebook the same dates. They liked the week that they were there. They want the same week again next year. Well, last year after Bush Dragon three and the year before after Bush Dragon two, people are calling and they're booking and they wanted a certain week, you know? Well, there's people in that week now. And now, yeah, the guys that were there this spring want the same week and they should have rights to the same, to choose the same week, but people are booking years ahead.

• 1:06:38Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  So now how do we do this? The people that are coming in and want a week every year, they're gonna have to book a few years in a row, like send a deposit for 26, 27, 28. If you want to guarantee that week. If you don't care what week, well, then we can try to squeeze you in somewhere.

• 1:06:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's supply and demand.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, you, there's only so many days, so many weeks, and there's more hunters than weeks.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:59Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah, it gets.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  There's only so many tags.

• 1:07:03Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  It's not, so not everybody can have a tag.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  It's not a problem. It's just.

• 1:07:06Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 1:07:07Speaker 02

  It's never, when you.

• 1:07:08Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's growing pains.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  It's fantastic. I love it.

• 1:07:10Cameron Hanes?

  Success. It's part of success. It's like, there's sometimes success breeds challenges.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Cameron Hanes?

  And this is just something you gotta deal with.

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  That cusp right now.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  We just like to keep everybody happy.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we want, what I like about it too is what, I just like being around people who like what I like. And I know when we're out shooting the bows, getting ready to go out on the hunt, I like being out there with the guys, looking at what they're using.

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:35Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, watching them shoot, uh, maybe if I have any, I'm not saying I'm an expert, but I might have some things I've learned I can share with them. And, uh, or like I think I gave, I think I gave Brandon a couple of broadheads, you know, to use the carnivores on, on the bear. And it's just, so it's just, we're all there to, we want everybody to be successful.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:56Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, it's not a competition. I just like being there, making sure people are set up, sharing what I might know that might help them.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Cameron Hanes?

  And seeing that they're, you know, proficient with their equipment.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:07Cameron Hanes?

  And it works.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  That's the other thing too, though. Like, like I was saying with the single guys or a couple of guys together, they all get in the group. They don't know any, each other. They've never met each other. They don't know. And by day two, day three, they're all buddies.

• 1:08:17Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:18Speaker 02

  And they're all talking to each other still and they're going to, um, archery challenges together, meeting up and gonna hunt together. I'm like, that's what it's all about. It's making the community bigger and stronger.

• 1:08:28Cameron Hanes?

  For sure.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  It's cool.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, it reminds me of Joe's second or third trip with us when there was a group of people there for Keep Hammering. They were there to be there with you and eight different guys and none of them knew each other. And Joe figured they were all buddies that came together because everybody was so close already.

• 1:08:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Friendly. And he's like, you guys don't know each other? No, we just met.

• 1:08:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's the beauty of a hunting camp. That, that is a beauty of a, you know, you, you see online and you see like, God, these guys are all kind of dicks to each other. It's always like an ego thing or like a, you know, dick measuring contest, not in camp.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:01Cameron Hanes?

  In camp, it's like all that fake social media, that's not real.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:05Cameron Hanes?

  People are real. And when you can look somebody in the eye and shake their hand and shoot bows with them and skin a bear with them, that's real.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:12Cameron Hanes?

  That's real. And you, and you see like, you can really like learn a lot about somebody, spend a few days with them doing that.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:19Cameron Hanes?

  And I've never, in, in your camp, it's been all positive. It's been all.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  I think it's like, uh, at a job, you know, if the owners or the bosses are kind of dicks, it kind of flows down.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  It funnels down.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  You got employees that are the same way. It's like, what the hell? And you look at the boss like, oh yeah, it makes sense.

• 1:09:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  So in a hunting camp, however we lead by example or whatever we do, like Matt Pittman, Meat Church, he was up and then he was on a, a trip in BC fishing and the guy's like, so how was your week? Did you drink a bunch? He goes, well, John doesn't drink, so no, I haven't drank for a week.

• 1:09:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  It's like, wow.

• 1:09:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  I was so proud of Matt Pittman, Meat Church, for posting his bears, posting the bear picture, the dead bears and then posting the meat, cooking the meat and everything, which is great. But I mean, it's risky. This guy's got spices and, and the big chains.

• 1:10:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  Like if the antis go after him, they, they can contact those chains and try to cancel him. Hey, don't sell the spices. He killed his bear. Like, so he didn't care.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  But it's part of the circle.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:10:12Speaker 02

  And he's like, I, that's his game, Meat Church. It's all about cooking meat, grilling meat, feeding people.

• 1:10:19Cameron Hanes?

  So I think it's like, and your talk that you start the camp with, it just, it just kind of gets everybody on the same page about how serious we take this and how serious you take it and why it matters. And it's not like, you know, if you gave a talk like, yeah, we're gonna kill a bunch of bear and you guys are gonna, you know, we'll drink every night. It'd be a whole different thing.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:39Cameron Hanes?

  It'd be like, well, what is this? This isn't like the camp I want to be in.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  We've got no problem with somebody having a drink after, after dinner to have a drink.

• 1:10:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  No problem.

• 1:10:48Cameron Hanes?

  But it's not the focus of the, of the week.

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:50Cameron Hanes?

  It's not there to, we're not there to party. We're there to hunt.

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  You party at home.

• 1:10:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we're, we're there to like experience the best bear hunting in the world, like black bear hunting in the world.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  And we want to make sure they're using good equipment.

• 1:11:02Cameron Hanes?

  And we want to honor that. Yeah.

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  Like.

• 1:11:05Speaker 02

  All the controllables, you try to do to the best of your ability.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  That's what, that's what I think we are obligated to do.

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  The baiting, you know, the machines, all of that stuff.

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• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  People that hear us talk about God and then talk about killing, they think like, these are nut jobs, like they're talking about God and they're praying, praying for God to help them hunting? Yeah, of course.

• 1:14:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  Did we have any miracles this spring? Yeah, we did. Some bears that you thought you'd never find, there's no blood trail. Little tiny broadhead that I didn't know the guy was shooting a little tiny broadhead and then you don't, there's no blood trail, so you're just.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  That's probably my bad, because usually I try to go check.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  Normally we see what they're shooting, see what broadheads they got, make sure it's the right equipment, everything.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, just a little, little two blade with little teeny tiny kickers.

• 1:14:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  And then you search for hours not finding this bear and it's like, you hate to lose a bear.

• 1:14:31Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I know.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  And if he's still alive, good, that's fine. But if he's dead, we want to find him. So there was one time, it was like one in the afternoon already, we searched all night before, searched all morning that day. And it gets to a point too where you're going to be too late. If it's hot, it's going to be too late and it's going to be spoiled.

• 1:14:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:48Speaker 01

  And I thought, okay, God, we're, we're ready to leave. And I'm like, okay, God's like, one more time.

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  Let us find him.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  We do a big loop, I said, God, if he's dead, let me find him. And I come around, we're almost done the big loop and I see this black thing ahead of me. I'm like, no way, there he is, dead. No blood trail, just walked and fell over and it wasn't that far, it was 200 yards, but with no blood trail.

• 1:15:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  A needle in a haystack and then dead falls everywhere.

• 1:15:13Cameron Hanes?

  Does that?

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  That was cool, that was, God helps us. There's times, a lot of times where we prayed and we had another one, you and I were looking for the next morning.

• 1:15:25Speaker 02

  It's a blur.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  And it was, that one, that one was alive, we had to finish it.

• 1:15:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:28Speaker 02

  Oh, at the last week.

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  That's hard on us.

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  No, no, that was the same week with the same guy.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  There was two one week. So that guy had to, I don't say names because it doesn't matter.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  Things happen, right?

• 1:15:38Cameron Hanes?

  It's hunting.

• 1:15:39Speaker 02

  Um, he had to leave early, so I went out the next morning to find it. I had his tags and everything in case we found it. Cause we, we looked that night and it was pouring rain, we followed the blood trail as far as we could. And then it just gets to a point where I do, I talk to God, I'm like, I want wisdom. He's got wisdom. I want to be safe, I'm a nana, I, I like my grandbabies, I want to be around for a week. And he's got little kids, so it was like, we got to this one point where it went from down in the swamp stuff.

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  And this is the true hard facts about hunting, because most people wouldn't even talk about this, because you don't want people to think an animal suffered and it, it happens. And it was hard on us, it was hard on Jen and I both.

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  So it went up a big hill off this, it was like a swampy area. And we got there and I could see where it kind of hit the side and I thought, okay, there's quite a bit of blood there, whatever, you know, all my justifications. And then this big hill up, but it was pitch black, it was raining and there was no blood. And I could smell bear and I'm thinking, okay, what do I do? God, what do I do? And in my gut, it was just like, it's time to back out. And I kind of, I knew he was leaving. Do I push it? And I'm like, hey buddy.

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  You've had a lot of those, eh, where God's like, come here, no, back, back out of here. And usually those were still alive the next day and you got hurt.

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  So, hey buddy, I says, I think we should back out. I said, I've got grandbabies, you've got little ones. I said, I don't think it's dead yet, I can smell it, but it was just, and it's raining. I says, we'll come back first thing in the morning. So he left first thing in the morning, had to go catch a flight.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  And then me and him went in there and we went walking in there to where the blood was, checking out everything. And we saw, man, we walked every trail, every bear trail, looking, there was no blood.

• 1:17:06Speaker 01

  So much country split up.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  There was nothing.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  Going different ways.

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

  Finally, we came back to the same spot and you're trying to look for something else, like you do that a hundred times. And he's like, I'm just going to go up here and deep in here and I saw, I'm going to go way to the other side.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  Feeling where they, where they like to go or where you think they would go if they're hurt, you know?

• 1:17:21Speaker 02

  I'm going to go way to this other side around this big pond area to see if like, I missed something.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  Turns out we're both apart in different areas and we can't even hear each other at that point. And we both prayed when we talked after, we had both prayed.

• 1:17:33Speaker 02

  We both just prayed, God.

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  Let us find him.

• 1:17:34Speaker 02

  If he's wounded, because we knew he was wounded.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  It was two seconds after I said that, that I'm, I'm looking, it's like, oh crap, there he is, right there down in that swamp.

• 1:17:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  And I didn't have my scope on my shotgun, so I'm like, I'm yelling at her to come with her. Hers got the big scope on it that.

• 1:17:48Speaker 02

  And I can't hear him, so I think, why are you yelling at me?

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  Bring the shotgun.

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  But it's, it's hard to hear.

• 1:17:54Speaker 01

  And we had to finish him, many death moan in front of us and.

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  I had to get up pretty close to finish him.

• 1:17:58Speaker 01

  That's hard.

• 1:18:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  It shook me.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  And then we talked about it, I mean, he, I actually did what you did because he couldn't go anywhere. So I walked up and I was touching him as he was dying and I was bawling.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  She counted, cool.

• 1:18:10Speaker 02

  And I was like, and then we talked after, I said, this sucks, it happens, it happens, it's a fact, it happens. You can do a perfect shot and it still can happen.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  And I told him, I said, you, what, because I prayed about it. And I'm like, I think at this point, if you don't get this, you need to quit.

• 1:18:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  I'm touching the bear, telling him, we're sorry.

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  We're sorry and stuff and, and it was tough, it was rough.

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  But what did you say after that? Cause we, we both felt like crap, we felt like, you didn't want to do this anymore.

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  And she's like, if I ever get to the point where I don't feel that anymore?

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  I quit. Because it is, it's, it's suffering, it's waiting.

• 1:18:44Speaker 01

  That's how much we care about the animals.

• 1:18:45Cameron Hanes?

  We need to, we need to respect their life.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  Such blood thirsty killers, eh?

• 1:18:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:49Speaker 02

  And then he had to go all the way back and he got the stretcher and me and him carry, it took a while.

• 1:18:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  We had, I had to help him carry it.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  To carry.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  It was heavy.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  You're tough. I can't believe you carried that out.

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  And then we took it back, we skinned it, got the hide done, the skull done, butchered it up, did all of that.

• 1:19:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:07Speaker 02

  And tags, all that other stuff, put it in the freezer and took it to the tax dermis.

• 1:19:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, it worked out, but it's, those are the tough ones, you know?

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  It's the reality.

• 1:19:19Cameron Hanes?

  It is, it's like, I'm just glad that it didn't lay out there and waste.

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 1:19:23Cameron Hanes?

  You know, because that happens.

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:19:25Cameron Hanes?

  And you guys worked so hard to make sure that, that wasn't the result.

• 1:19:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:31Cameron Hanes?

  And I just think, I don't think people understand, I mean, for, for you, I mean, I think it's like when we talk about God, because you, because God has had such an impact on both your lives, but you, I've seen your eyes water up three or four times on this talk.

• 1:19:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:50Cameron Hanes?

  And talking about it, just because that's how much it means and how much it's, it's, we've been blessed by God with this, but also it's like, it's not just over that God gave us this opportunity, it's like, it's every day. It's trying to, to live up to what that means. And it's like, it, it's such, you know, it's, I don't know, it's so heartfelt and you can tell like, anytime you talk about it.

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  We're supposed to be stewards, right?

• 1:20:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  We're supposed to manage and take care.

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  Well, if you manage and take care of something you love, you respect it, you honor it, you want to do justice to it.

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:24Speaker 02

  Not just, ah, whatever, shoot this, shoot that, and who cares?

• 1:20:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, I know, it's.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  And that's another thing people, I guess they, well, they tell us and I didn't expect to hear this because we just, we're just us, this is what we do.

• 1:20:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:37Speaker 02

  I mean, it's how we live our life. And then multiple messages and I was like, oh, okay, it's, it's more impactful than I think. I'm like, it's just us and we banter and we're, we're just us, but we take for granted that other people haven't had that opportunity.

• 1:20:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  Whether it's hunting or to have experience with God, or just have a peace, or to have people that actually care about what they're doing.

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  Oh, you guys are religious, no, it's not religious. And religion does suck, I agree with you.

• 1:21:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  The guys, it's a relationship with God is what it is.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  Come to camp, you'll see me not be religious when something goes wrong and.

• 1:21:09Speaker 01

  We enjoyed going to church with you Sunday, that was cool.

• 1:21:11Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, that was.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Church pastor Rick's awesome.

• 1:21:14Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:21:14Speaker 02

  A little bit of cussing comes out here and a little bit of attitude comes out there, but I mean, you're human, right?

• 1:21:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but I, I also do want to say something that, that I've witnessed at, at your camp and it's like.

• 1:21:28Cameron Hanes?

  Um, just strong women, like you are so strong and such a good hunter, but a, but a leader. And then I see your daughters exhibit those same characteristics.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:43Cameron Hanes?

  And then also it kind of attracts, then I see Lisa with her daughters, you know, Lisa Endicott from here.

• 1:21:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:49Cameron Hanes?

  And it's like, I love seeing strong women in a men's world, so to speak, bear hunting.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:56Cameron Hanes?

  But be leaders.

• 1:21:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:58Cameron Hanes?

  You know, and like Lisa will take her daughters by herself with Wayne has never even been out there, has he?

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:22:04Cameron Hanes?

  No. So it's, but like you're, that example is like, you live that every day and it's you've impacted your next generation with your daughters, but also everybody who comes up there witnesses that also. And I know that's making an impact when they go home.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:23Cameron Hanes?

  And so I just don't, I don't know if you think about that or if anybody's said that, but I think about that and I'm just so impressed. And it's like, I'm not surprised, but I just love seeing it.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't remember who was in camp, but there's times where you and I, you and I'll argue about something.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  We'll banter.

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  And we had, we had argued and it got pretty, pretty.

• 1:22:42Speaker 02

  I might've said a couple of choice words because that's usually what I do.

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  And then.

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  Two minutes later, we're fine again.

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  And a couple of minutes later, we're, we're fine or we'll apologize to each other. And one of the hunters like, that was impressive. Like in my world, we'd have been mad at each other for a month.

• 1:22:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  You guys just boom and it's gone right now. Yeah.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  It's, I mean, it took years to learn that. It didn't come easy.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:23:06Speaker 02

  I mean, two people, two different lifestyles, two everything. But I mean, with goddess, again, that foundation, like I've said before, it's kind of like that bouncing.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  Don't let the sun go down on your wrath. My grandpa always said that, never go to bed angry at each other, always forgive.

• 1:23:20Speaker 02

  But, and then the other thing that we were talking about, I never thought of it that way until people talked about it to me is like, cause I just do what I do. And I think the more I do it, the strong, the closer I get to God and understand how he works, I think the more confident I am. Like there's a lot of things within the last few years and plus with the cancer scare and all that different stuff, it's changed my, my thinking. And it's like, I just want to do my best. I want to stay busy. I want to do my best. I want to do my work, my family, all of that stuff. And if people don't like it, I don't care anymore. I used to care. I used to care so much about what people were thinking. And women in the hunting industry can be barbaric. There's like, just like high school.

• 1:23:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:59Speaker 02

  And I see that and I'm like, I don't do high school.

• 1:24:01Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:24:01Speaker 02

  Lisa and I get along great because we both think the same. It's like, I don't, I'm not in the clicky stuff.

• 1:24:06Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 1:24:07Speaker 02

  I'm not in the showy stuff. But for many years, for 20, 25 years, it was tough. You know, trying to tell a guy, hey, we're going to go, go after this moose or this deer or this bear. And people like, what do you think, John? He's like, you better talk to her, she's your guy.

• 1:24:22Cameron Hanes?

  Guys don't like listening to other guys.

• 1:24:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:24Cameron Hanes?

  Let alone another woman.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  Now with social media, the guys that are coming, I've seen enough to know that you want Jen to take you out.

• 1:24:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. No, I'm, I'm always impressed with your talks and your, just, just how, how you're just good. I mean, I don't care whether it's.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  She pays attention to detail.

• 1:24:40Cameron Hanes?

  A man or a woman, you're just a good guide. You know, it doesn't matter.

• 1:24:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. She goes, I love skinning a bear with her.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  I work my butt off. Like I try it. And like I said, the controllables, the details. And sometimes he's like, he likes to be more the optimist. We'll just kind of roll with it and see how it goes. And I'm the other one is like, I, I like to know where I'm going, how I'm going to get there. The, I like, I map out, it just, it's how God made me.

• 1:25:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

  And we kind of blend that way.

• 1:25:04Cameron Hanes?

  It works.

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  Cause if we were all my way, it would be a shit show. If we were all his way, it would be a shit show.

• 1:25:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:10Speaker 02

  So it's, it's a good blend, but, and I mean, my girls, they're badasses. Like, number one, because they're moms, which is fantastic. But yeah, they're, they're strong. They're women, they're strong women. Like Lisa's girls, they're strong women.

• 1:25:24Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I love it.

• 1:25:25Speaker 02

  We want them, but the dads played a big part in that too, because they didn't want their little girls just to be princesses. We can play princess.

• 1:25:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:32Speaker 02

  We can also go, you know, four wheeling in the mud. We can also go shoot grouse, whatever.

• 1:25:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  It's just, yeah, I, I like it. And now my granddaughters.

• 1:25:41Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Oh man, Hazel's.

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  The, the highlight of, of life. And even Addison now, she'll be three this fall.

• 1:25:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:47Speaker 02

  Oh, she's all about going in the Kawasaki for a ride.

• 1:25:50Cameron Hanes?

  I bet. That's a good life.

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  It's, it's a good life.

• 1:25:53Speaker 01

  Hazel wants a skin. She wants a.

• 1:25:55Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. She has her own knife now.

• 1:25:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, she is full of.

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  Papa, get me my Montana knife.

• 1:26:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:01Speaker 02

  And we're like, okay, make sure it's not that sharp.

• 1:26:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:04Cameron Hanes?

  I know. She is so funny. I love Hazel. I mean, I, I love everything about the camp to be honest, but I just know that just your impact and your influence, I just wanted to mention that too.

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  Thank you. I do appreciate, I really appreciate it coming from you because you, you kind of know us now. It's not like.

• 1:26:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  We've known each other for a while.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  You talked about that first bear.

• 1:26:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  And then you got a second one again.

• 1:26:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  You got two bears again.

• 1:26:27Speaker 02

  What happened with the second one? Like what's that about?

• 1:26:30Speaker 01

  Was that Thursday night? Yeah. Cause you were done for Friday and Saturday, you were just hanging out.

• 1:26:35Cameron Hanes?

  Was I?

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  I think that was Thursday night you got done, which is crazy.

• 1:26:38Cameron Hanes?

  Let's see, which was the second one? Where was I?

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  You were same place as Raven.

• 1:26:43Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  Camera wasn't working for some reason.

• 1:26:45Cameron Hanes?

  That's right. Okay. Yeah. So we, we had a feeling.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  Where'd it go?

• 1:26:49Cameron Hanes?

  So I got a call from, uh, from John Barklow. We were talking about Sitka and when we're baiting that, that, that.

• 1:26:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:58Cameron Hanes?

  That I was going to be, uh.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  We're at the bait talking to John.

• 1:27:02Cameron Hanes?

  Free to make other camo choices, right? So I was talking to Barklow about that and we're baiting it, but the camera wasn't working. So we didn't know what was in there.

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. We're even talking out loud there at the.

• 1:27:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we were. And so, uh, just decided, hey, I killed Raven there last year, big eight footer. Might as well just go see what's in there.

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  There's big bears there.

• 1:27:21Cameron Hanes?

  Big bears.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  Didn't have a picture of one.

• 1:27:23Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  Just because it wasn't working.

• 1:27:24Cameron Hanes?

  And.

• 1:27:25Speaker 01

  We found the pictures on the camera later when we downloaded the chip.

• 1:27:27Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, did you?

• 1:27:28Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. Okay. He was just there.

• 1:27:29Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So just kind of rolled the dice and we were sitting there and we didn't see a bear for a while. I mean, wasn't it like a while, James?

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  It was.

• 1:27:39Cameron Hanes?

  Like hours or something like that, but.

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, without a peep.

• 1:27:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And then James is like, uh, he's sitting up in the tree stand because he's scared. No.

• 1:27:53Cameron Hanes?

  I just like getting him out of my hair. No, uh, he's up in the tree stand filming. I was on the ground.

• 1:27:58Speaker 01

  It's a tiny little ground blind at that one.

• 1:28:00Cameron Hanes?

  So. Yeah, it is a small, a small ground and it's close.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:02Cameron Hanes?

  It's pretty close to that, to that bait. So.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  That's where one jumped in with you last year.

• 1:28:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I did. Kind of, kind of.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Blind.

• 1:28:09Cameron Hanes?

  I know. That was a little squirrely one, but, uh, yeah. So James, he, there was a bear, I could see a bear back in the timber back behind us. There's that, the road you come in on with the side by side. And I can see that a bear back in the timber. I couldn't really tell, but I think it started, it was going back and forth and it started following, uh, James kind of got a, just like a quick glimpse of it. And he thought it was a sow and a cub.

• 1:28:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:34Cameron Hanes?

  Cause there's a, is a bigger bear and a smaller bear. And, uh, I saw the bear come, the bear that he thought was a cub. I was like, it's like a six foot sow.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:44Cameron Hanes?

  So if that's the cub, what's this?

• 1:28:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:48Cameron Hanes?

  And it was a big old boar.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:50Cameron Hanes?

  And a giant boar. And he came in and we got him, uh, got a good arrow into him, took a little bit, uh, to get the right position because I think people can, they think that it's close and you think you can't screw up that shot. You can definitely screw up that shot.

• 1:29:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:06Cameron Hanes?

  So you gotta definitely think about the angles, think about where that shoulder is, where you want to hit on that, the hair hanging down, the light, everything else. But made a good, I was, uh, patient on that one. Made a good shot and got the counting coup on him too. And he, he was a big one.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:24Cameron Hanes?

  He's a big, big old bear.

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  Big bear.

• 1:29:25Cameron Hanes?

  But.

• 1:29:26Speaker 02

  Big bear.

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  You got no room in here.

• 1:29:28Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  You need a bigger place.

• 1:29:30Cameron Hanes?

  I think that, was that, is that the bear I'm doing for Joe?

• 1:29:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I'm going to do live size for, for studio.

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  Standing up probably.

• 1:29:37Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  On a good base.

• 1:29:39Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  So you can look people 10 feet.

• 1:29:41Cameron Hanes?

  He is huge.

• 1:29:43Speaker 02

  He's massive.

• 1:29:43Cameron Hanes?

  That bear is huge. So, uh, yeah, I mean, it's just been blessed.

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  Allegedly it's eight foot square.

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  Allegedly.

• 1:29:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Oh, people are funny.

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  Can you find the guy that measured it? Maybe we could ask them.

• 1:29:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  Maybe they'd know better than us.

• 1:29:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  Some, some wisdom on the internet there.

• 1:30:01Cameron Hanes?

  People are funny. I think people probably had comments about every animal in here at one point or another that, and yeah, you just kind of get used to it, right?

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:09Cameron Hanes?

  And it's like, hey, when you're successful, go ahead and talk.

• 1:30:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:14Cameron Hanes?

  Go ahead and talk.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:15Cameron Hanes?

  We, we got the proof right here, but, uh, yeah, I just, I mean, blessed with another amazing year up there with you guys. Giant bear.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:24Cameron Hanes?

  Amazing camp. I don't know. I, I, I feel, I, I couldn't be happier, couldn't feel more blessed.

• 1:30:31Speaker 01

  The bear that I'm after, you've seen the pictures.

• 1:30:33Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:30:34Speaker 01

  Can you imagine what he's going to look like in the fall?

• 1:30:36Cameron Hanes?

  He looks mean.

• 1:30:37Speaker 01

  In spring, he's rutting nonstop. He barely goes to a bait.

• 1:30:39Cameron Hanes?

  And he's giant and his face looks mean.

• 1:30:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:42Cameron Hanes?

  Doesn't it?

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  I think he's going to be over 22 inches.

• 1:30:45Cameron Hanes?

  I can't imagine in the fall.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  I just want to see him in the fall.

• 1:30:47Speaker 02

  What did, what did Jordan name him?

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Hodor.

• 1:30:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. What would he weigh in the fall, do you think?

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  Easy to recognize, he's got an ear missing.

• 1:30:56Speaker 02

  Well, bears like that, I mean, from one of the, years ago, the biologist was saying they could gain a couple of hundred pounds from spring till fall, the way they're going to eat. Cause once they.

• 1:31:04Speaker 01

  On a giant like that.

• 1:31:05Cameron Hanes?

  Would it be? Had to be over 500.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  Oh, he's 500 in the spring.

• 1:31:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, he'll be 700.

• 1:31:14Speaker 02

  He's huge.

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  We've killed 600 plus in the spring with no fat. So that was a 22 and 516 skull.

• 1:31:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:21Speaker 01

  A giant bear.

• 1:31:21Speaker 02

  The biologist, how much did the biologist say he could get to in the fall?

• 1:31:25Speaker 01

  In the fall, he'd be 800.

• 1:31:26Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, my, that is.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  It's as big as they get.

• 1:31:29Speaker 02

  Can you imagine, you see that, it's like a Volkswagen Beetle walking into the bait?

• 1:31:33Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I know that like that, I think it was a second bear I killed, the big bear. But we had it in the cooler that night.

• 1:31:41Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:31:41Cameron Hanes?

  By another good six and a half foot bear.

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:45Cameron Hanes?

  Six, eight, maybe, I think it was six, eight.

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:47Cameron Hanes?

  And it looked tiny compared to. And it was, that's a trophy bear.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:54Cameron Hanes?

  But that's, that's his example of what you guys have.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:59Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, when they're, when they're laying there, because when you looked at the bear, like individually, you're like, oh, that's a big bear. Oh, that's a, that's a big bear, too.

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:08Cameron Hanes?

  But side by side, then you see the difference.

• 1:32:10Speaker 02

  Well, look when you put them on a skinning table, how big the skinning table is.

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:14Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  And then it's like, you put one on it and like, man, this is a pretty big bear and you're skinning it. Then you put that sucker on there like, okay.

• 1:32:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  The whole hind end is almost off, the head is off.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  We've got a client that's building us a custom skinning table.

• 1:32:28Cameron Hanes?

  Sweet.

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  They build tables for hospitals and places like that.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  So they're like, hey, we want to build you one.

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  I'm like, you don't have to do that. We don't need that good of a table like.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  He says, no, no, it'll be epic. I'm like, all right. So I'm excited to see it.

• 1:32:39Cameron Hanes?

  We like it.

• 1:32:39Speaker 02

  I like it.

• 1:32:40Cameron Hanes?

  Don't we?

• 1:32:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:41Speaker 01

  We're going to concrete that floor this summer.

• 1:32:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  So we can clean it up nice after we're done skinning.

• 1:32:45Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, sprayed off.

• 1:32:46Speaker 02

  Always tweaking stuff, always working on stuff, always trying to improve stuff.

• 1:32:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:50Speaker 02

  Make it better for the clients, make.

• 1:32:52Speaker 01

  Do you know all the hunts you're going on this fall?

• 1:32:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  How many elk hunts are you doing?

• 1:32:56Cameron Hanes?

  Three.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  You do Oregon every year.

• 1:32:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  Utah.

• 1:32:59Cameron Hanes?

  Colorado. Yeah, I'm not doing San Carlos, I'm doing this other hunt instead.

• 1:33:04Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:33:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so should be good.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  It's about the same price.

• 1:33:11Cameron Hanes?

  I really do not want to eat a tag on that.

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:33:16Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah, we got, we got time, we can make it happen. But James, what do you got over there?

• 1:33:24Cameron Hanes?

  You got questions?

• 1:33:25Speaker 01

  So you talked about that you're giving away, you're going to give away a bear hunt.

• 1:33:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:28Speaker 01

  And just so the viewers know, it's not us giving away a bear hunt, Cam's buying a bear hunt and giving it away.

• 1:33:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yep.

• 1:33:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yep, I'm paying for it. I want to share it. I want, I want a lucky listener to be able to experience what we've talked about here and hopefully be impacted like I've been.

• 1:33:42Speaker 02

  We'll have some goodies to go along with that as well.

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  That he'll get one of those coolers. We haven't talked about the cooler yet.

• 1:33:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  And the, and the knife is going to be in that deal.

• 1:33:49Cameron Hanes?

  Awesome. Yeah.

• 1:33:51Speaker 02

  There'll be more add-ons as we go.

• 1:33:53Cameron Hanes?

  A custom grizzly cooler that says Bush Dragons.

• 1:33:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, Bush Dragons.

• 1:33:57Cameron Hanes?

  That logo.

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  Keep hammering.

• 1:33:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I have some other things, I just, I wasn't able to pull them all together to get them here, because it was quite the show to get here. But anyways, I have some other ideas.

• 1:34:08Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:34:09Speaker 02

  I always have things in my back pocket. He's, he's like, what are you doing? I said, I'll just, just let me see if I can get it done first, then I'll tell him.

• 1:34:15Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:34:15Speaker 02

  So I'm like, and he's like, oh, that's, that's pretty sweet.

• 1:34:18Speaker 01

  Montana and I did great to get it done in short time, short notice.

• 1:34:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, they're the best. Well, I'm very thankful for them and thankful for you guys. But yeah, I just want to share, like I said, it's impacted me so greatly and I want somebody else to experience it.

• 1:34:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:33Cameron Hanes?

  And so, yeah, we're going to buy it.

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  And you're giving away the Bentley.

• 1:34:36Cameron Hanes?

  Coming up soon, probably like, probably a month, I think, I think we've got another month.

• 1:34:42Speaker 01

  How's it going? Do you think people want it as much as the trucks, like?

• 1:34:47Speaker 02

  It's a pretty sick car.

• 1:34:48Cameron Hanes?

  It's a sick car, but the insurance.

• 1:34:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  Oh, I bet.

• 1:34:52Cameron Hanes?

  I had a hard time getting insurance on it. So, so.

• 1:34:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:55Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, the, and if you have to work on that thing, I would think whoever's going to win it.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:01Cameron Hanes?

  Is just going to sell it.

• 1:35:01Speaker 01

  Probably going to sell it.

• 1:35:02Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, it's so much money.

• 1:35:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:03Cameron Hanes?

  You know, and like unless you're rich already and you don't need money, which I, I don't know anybody like that. I think somebody's going to sell it, probably drive it for a little while and it'd be.

• 1:35:14Speaker 02

  That's pretty sweet.

• 1:35:15Cameron Hanes?

  That's fine, too, because they'll be able to sell it for, you know, 160,000 bucks.

• 1:35:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:20Speaker 02

  That's pretty sweet. That's a pretty nice gift.

• 1:35:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and I, I just can't wait to, and then I give them 10,000 cash, hand on the keys.

• 1:35:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:27Cameron Hanes?

  And it's like, for me.

• 1:35:29Speaker 01

  Did you ever think as a kid you'd be doing that?

• 1:35:31Cameron Hanes?

  No, for me, it's like, I want it. It's like being on a give like that, it's just like, I never expected, I never expected I'd be in this position. So I just feel very grateful.

• 1:35:41Speaker 02

  You always ask us questions. How about we ask you a question? When you were young, say teenager, what, what did you think? Yeah, I know the story about you getting into hunting and Roy taking out hunting and all that stuff. Where did you think you'd be at like 40, 50?

• 1:35:55Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, man.

• 1:35:56Speaker 01

  The mill?

• 1:35:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, I thought, I mean, I've said this before, but my, I seriously thought I would live in like a trailer. And I, I'm not saying that's bad.

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I didn't mean bad, but working at the mill, but it's a great job for a lot of people.

• 1:36:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we're getting the mill here.

• 1:36:14Speaker 01

  What's your options here?

• 1:36:15Cameron Hanes?

  Is, would be the best job.

• 1:36:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:18Cameron Hanes?

  Probably the best potential job I could have had, because that shift work at the mill.

• 1:36:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:23Cameron Hanes?

  Paid pretty good.

• 1:36:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:25Cameron Hanes?

  And.

• 1:36:26Speaker 02

  It would be like, I guess what I'm asking, kind of, what did you think your future would look like? Like what, because every kid growing up, you have these ideas and for girls, it's usually, oh, I want to have a white house with a white picket fence.

• 1:36:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:36Speaker 02

  And nice little, not, not to negate anything, or I want to become a doctor or a lawyer, whatever. It's like everybody has their aspiration.

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  My mom is like 83 or 84 this year.

• 1:36:45Speaker 02

  Eighty-four, eighty-five.

• 1:36:45Speaker 01

  And she reminds me almost every time I talk to her that I told her that this is what I was going to be doing.

• 1:36:50Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 1:36:51Speaker 02

  He wanted to hunt for a living. He wanted to take people hunting for a living. And his dad always said, if you're going to get a job, if you can get one that you love, then you'll never have a day at work. It'll, it'll be work, but it'll always be something you love.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:04Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:37:05Speaker 01

  Yep, he did tell me that.

• 1:37:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I, man, I, I mean, I think for a while there, I said I wanted to be a writer.

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:14Cameron Hanes?

  But everybody said.

• 1:37:16Speaker 01

  You're a good writer, too.

• 1:37:17Speaker 02

  You are a good writer.

• 1:37:17Speaker 01

  Very good writer.

• 1:37:18Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, thank you, but that's not the feedback. The feedback I got was not positive. And then I remember I killed this like a four point, way smaller than that. And that was like, so I was hunting, I was rifle hunting at this time and I killed a four point. I was with my girlfriend and like walking through the rain on this little skid road and shot this four point, little basket four point. But killing a four by four was, was a trophy, right? And I think I was probably like 18 or 17 maybe. And I remember my brother said, told this girl at school, Cam got a four point. And she's like, oh, where's he going to school at?

• 1:38:00Cameron Hanes?

  And he's just like, so school wasn't, we never even cared about school. So it was like, no, he got a four point buck. And it's like, so hunting was kind of the thing. I kind of want to be a writer, but I was kind of just a screw up. So I thought that I would just be like, probably get drunk on the weekends, go to the mill maybe and work. Or I had a job at a warehouse at that time, live in a trailer manufactured home and have a, hopefully had a decent truck. And that was the dream.

• 1:38:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:32Cameron Hanes?

  And I would have been.

• 1:38:33Speaker 01

  And you'd be happy with that. I would be happy with that, too.

• 1:38:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so that, that, that was as good as it was going to get.

• 1:38:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:38Cameron Hanes?

  So I never thought I'd be giving away a Bentley, for sure. I didn't even know what a Bentley was.

• 1:38:43Speaker 01

  So one of our friends texts me today from Salt Lake City, he's a pastor there now. He was a pastor in Jacksonville, Florida before. Loves you. He's a runner, he's a hunter, everything, same as us. And he's at an Airbnb in Idaho today, and this is what's in there on the wall.

• 1:38:58Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:38:59Speaker 01

  There's your book on the wall of the Airbnb.

• 1:39:00Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's sick. That's awesome. Well, we got one book out there somewhere.

• 1:39:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, so he picked a good Airbnb. He's like, yeah, I picked the right one here.

• 1:39:08Cameron Hanes?

  I guess so. I guess so. Yeah, so I guess you could say, I mean, for, for all of us, we've kind of exceeded our dreams. I mean, I guess you dreamed of it, but like, was it realistic or not? But we're living.

• 1:39:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:22Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, you guys live in the dream.

• 1:39:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:24Cameron Hanes?

  That's the name of your.

• 1:39:24Speaker 01

  We are living the dream.

• 1:39:25Cameron Hanes?

  Business.

• 1:39:26Speaker 02

  So when you thought of it, did you think you'd be taking people hunting or you'd just be hunting?

• 1:39:31Speaker 01

  Probably just me hunting. Yeah.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  Because he just loved to be outdoors.

• 1:39:34Speaker 01

  I didn't know what a guide was at the time when I was really young.

• 1:39:37Speaker 02

  Just being outdoors fishing and hunting.

• 1:39:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  As a little boy, that would be your dream.

• 1:39:42Speaker 01

  I only shot my first big game animal when I turned 15. I turned 15, I shot my first moose.

• 1:39:46Cameron Hanes?

  Me, too.

• 1:39:46Speaker 01

  It was awesome.

• 1:39:47Cameron Hanes?

  That was my first.

• 1:39:47Speaker 01

  My dad handled it. The night before, we went calling at this spot way in there and there was a bull answered. I never heard it. Dad says there was one answered a mile or two away. By the time he gets here, it'll be dark, so we'll just leave and come back here in the morning and you'll get him. So dad and his buddies, they're getting up in the morning and they're kind of hanging around camp and I'm like, I'm going, I'll see you guys later. I'm going where that bull was. So I'm 15 years old on my Honda three wheeler, 200M Honda three wheeler and I'm, it took me like 30 minutes to get there on the three wheeler. So I get over there and it's daylight and I look where we had, my dad had put scent, our own scent that we were making back then already for moose. My dad had put scent on all the branches before we left that night. So if he showed up there during the night, he'd stay around.

• 1:40:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  And there's a cow there.

• 1:40:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  So I get there and I looked like right where we put the scent, he's beating all those bushes.

• 1:40:38Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 1:40:38Speaker 01

  Holy shit. And I had a 30 odd six Remington model 7400, semi-auto, open sights, no scope on it. So I thought, I got to get close. I can't screw this up. Like, it's my first moose. I want to make my dad proud. I want to kill this thing dead. So I'm sneaking in and I'm, I'm thinking he's going to see me, so I'm taking off. You don't have to wear orange in Alberta, you can wear anything. So the coat comes off, it's on the ground and there's a little skiff of ice that morning. It was just getting cold enough where there's, things are freezing up a bit. And then I had hip waders on because it was wet and muddy going in there. And the metal clips that are, that you tie onto are making noise. I'm like, oh, he's going to hear that. I'm going to screw this up.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  I take off the boots. So then I realized, shit, my hoodie is blue. He's going to see me. Take off the hoodie. So I'm in pants, socks, no shirt, and there's ice on the ground. And I'm sneaking up behind pine trees to get close to this moose. I get into like 100 yards and.

• 1:41:35Speaker 01

  I give them two and they were side by side and he just crumbles like

• 1:41:40Cameron Hanes?

  No way.

• 1:41:41Speaker 01

  So nobody to share it with. I get on that three, put my clothes back on. I'm soaking wet from walking through the water and the ice. Get on that three wheeler and that 30 minute drive took about seven minutes to get back to camp.

• 1:41:53Cameron Hanes?

  Lying.

• 1:41:54Speaker 01

  And dad can hear it.

• 1:41:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:57Speaker 01

  And he told the guys, he says, well, if, if he goes and parks it there, he doesn't have one. But if he just pulls out in front and doesn't even stop the machine and jumps off, he's gone. Yep. That's exactly what I did.

• 1:42:06Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 1:42:06Speaker 01

  God, my first moose, I was hooked.

• 1:42:08Cameron Hanes?

  I had a good feeling about it.

• 1:42:09Speaker 01

  Awesome.

• 1:42:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. That's incredible.

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  Moose that you can eat for the whole year.

• 1:42:13Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:42:14Cameron Hanes?

  Moose at 15 by herself.

• 1:42:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:16Cameron Hanes?

  That's great.

• 1:42:17Speaker 01

  I was already making moose calls because dad made moose calls for himself.

• 1:42:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:20Speaker 01

  I can do this and sell them.

• 1:42:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:22Speaker 01

  So at 14, I'm making moose calls out of birch bark like the Indians made them, laced them with rawhide, sold that to hunting stores and we still do that today.

• 1:42:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's incredible. Wow. What a journey, huh?

• 1:42:33Speaker 01

  15 years old.

• 1:42:34Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:42:35Speaker 01

  I'd hunted small game before that, birds, rabbits, all that stuff since I was tiny, tiny. My brother and I would go on cross-country skis with our 22s or shotguns and do like what we saw in the Olympics, eh?

• 1:42:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:46Speaker 01

  So we'd

• 1:42:46Cameron Hanes?

  Biathlon. There you go.

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  Find a rabbit.

• 1:42:50Speaker 02

  Glenn would be happy.

• 1:42:51Cameron Hanes?

  It's a way to do it.

• 1:42:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:52Cameron Hanes?

  That's a good way to do it. I mean, people should hunt off skis, I bet.

• 1:42:55Speaker 01

  If you can move.

• 1:42:56Cameron Hanes?

  You can get a lot.

• 1:42:57Speaker 01

  Pretty quiet, too.

• 1:42:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, you can get way back. Good stuff.

• 1:43:01Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:43:02Cameron Hanes?

  You got any questions?

• 1:43:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got one.

• 1:43:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:06Speaker 03

  I was just hoping you guys could give me the secret recipe for your carp juice.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  Okay, I have that recipe. So that is suckers and carp in a plastic five gallon pail and you leave them in there for about five years.

• 1:43:22Speaker 02

  You let them ferment until it's nothing.

• 1:43:24Speaker 01

  Disintegrate into juice. And that's what James smelt on the video.

• 1:43:28Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:43:28Cameron Hanes?

  Was that the, uh, the gagging video?

• 1:43:31Speaker 01

  That one is bad. Like, that one, not much makes me gag. That stuff can do it.

• 1:43:37Cameron Hanes?

  The beavers, like when he gets that pressure built up in those barrels from, that the lids are sealed?

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:43Cameron Hanes?

  You gotta open those things?

• 1:43:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I think you got some on your lip last year, didn't you?

• 1:43:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did.

• 1:43:51Speaker 02

  At the end of season this year was getting pretty gross. You're trying to hang them and they're just like melting apart and maggots everywhere.

• 1:43:59Speaker 01

  Set up a brand new bait that's never had a bear there before and it's not three days for them to get there. It's the same day.

• 1:44:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:05Speaker 01

  They smell it from 10 miles and they just come right to it.

• 1:44:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:44:08Cameron Hanes?

  I don't, I, this could ruin like people thinking about eating bear meat, but when they pull that beaver and like some of his guts go over his face and the bear is just fine with it?

• 1:44:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:19Cameron Hanes?

  That's rough.

• 1:44:20Speaker 02

  That's one of his favorite meals out there.

• 1:44:22Speaker 01

  Here's another thing that we've always thought too, and it's, we've done lots of testing on it lately and it's like, okay. So we think the more rotten, the better. It's great for smell and it brings them in from far, but we've, we've done the, the two where they can take a pick and they ate the fresh one.

• 1:44:36Cameron Hanes?

  The fresh one?

• 1:44:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:38Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, so we're sort of on the same page.

• 1:44:40Speaker 01

  They'll rub all over the rotten one, use it as perfume, get it all over themselves.

• 1:44:44Cameron Hanes?

  I wonder what that, what is that for?

• 1:44:46Speaker 01

  I don't know. It's like, you're gonna get eaten by a grizzly.

• 1:44:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:49Speaker 02

  Well, you look at, okay, our dogs.

• 1:44:50Cameron Hanes?

  Your dogs rolling?

• 1:44:51Speaker 01

  They're rolling.

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  Anything that's stinky, disgusting, nasty, they'll roll in it and they'll come like, hi, mom, pet me.

• 1:44:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I wonder what the, uh,

• 1:44:59Speaker 02

  I don't totally get that.

• 1:45:01Speaker 01

  I wish I had the, I'm gonna record it next time. Our doctor from Salt Lake, he gave us the exact scientific rundown on what happens to a bear when he death mounds, you know?

• 1:45:10Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:45:10Speaker 01

  He's dead, but the lungs.

• 1:45:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:12Speaker 01

  And he explains it in full. I'm like, I should have recorded that. That'd be so cool. I'll, I'll record it next time I'm with him.

• 1:45:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that'd be good to know.

• 1:45:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. There's such a doctor's explanation of how that works.

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  When we're skinning it and I'm like, okay, you gotta get this button here. This is where you gotta cut. And he's like, that's the atlas.

• 1:45:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:28Speaker 02

  Atlas joint.

• 1:45:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  And it's just a knob at the back of the skull where it connects to the spine. Cause I'll tell everybody you push in behind like he cuts through to get into the voice box. You put your thumb in there and I'm like, that's the button. And he's like, I says, what is it, doctor? He's like, it's actually called the atlas. And I'm like, okay, now I'm like, my doctor says it's called the atlas joint. I still call it a button. But it's just so you can find it and you can cut it, get off the skull without, uh, cutting any bones. Just use the joints.

• 1:45:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:54Cameron Hanes?

  You guys have skinned out a lot of bear over the years.

• 1:45:58Speaker 02

  How many you at now?

• 1:45:59Speaker 01

  I just found a couple of pictures today of, because we've killed them every color phase, right down to white. We haven't gotten a glacier bear. We've seen a couple, but haven't gotten one, but we've killed two white.

• 1:46:08Cameron Hanes?

  That's like a, a bluer.

• 1:46:10Speaker 01

  It's kind of a bluish chin.

• 1:46:11Speaker 02

  They're so beautiful. See, that's on a bucket list.

• 1:46:14Speaker 01

  They're more popular in British Columbia and Alaska. There's glacier, there's a lot of glacier bears. So yeah, I found a picture of two white ones. One of them's done full mountain, one's half mount. Just pure white bears, not albino, just white bears.

• 1:46:26Speaker 02

  Light, light, light.

• 1:46:27Cameron Hanes?

  That's what we need.

• 1:46:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:30Cameron Hanes?

  That's next. A white eight footer.

• 1:46:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:34Speaker 02

  We have the calm ghost.

• 1:46:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. Be in trouble for killing a pole bear.

• 1:46:38Speaker 02

  In our woods, being a white bear of that size, like.

• 1:46:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, you stick out.

• 1:46:43Cameron Hanes?

  Have you guys, have you guys seen white deer, like albino deer?

• 1:46:46Speaker 02

  I've never seen one up there.

• 1:46:47Speaker 01

  In Canada. Uh, Tony Drake's got some on his farm.

• 1:46:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, there used to be one out where I went to high school.

• 1:46:52Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:46:52Cameron Hanes?

  We'd always see, see a doe.

• 1:46:53Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:46:54Cameron Hanes?

  On Windling Road there. That's the road I lived on and I don't know what happened to her.

• 1:46:58Speaker 02

  I've seen online, like what it, what it called, what's the name they call it?

• 1:47:02Cameron Hanes?

  Pie ball.

• 1:47:03Speaker 01

  The pie ball is the one that's.

• 1:47:05Cameron Hanes?

  That, like even that has pie ball, that whitetail right there.

• 1:47:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:47:08Cameron Hanes?

  She has white.

• 1:47:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:09Cameron Hanes?

  But.

• 1:47:10Speaker 02

  I've never seen that in Alberta. I mean, there might be some.

• 1:47:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's like, there's either pie ball or albino.

• 1:47:17Speaker 02

  I've seen albino.

• 1:47:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:19Speaker 02

  Which is freaky.

• 1:47:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:20Speaker 02

  Cause.

• 1:47:21Speaker 01

  Not in real life, like not, not in Alberta. You've seen him on.

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  No, I thought we saw an albino moose.

• 1:47:28Speaker 01

  Yes. Yes. Not far from the farm.

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. A calf, I think it was.

• 1:47:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:34Speaker 02

  We also seen a caribou not far from where we are, which it was totally out of its range. I don't know. It was.

• 1:47:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:40Speaker 01

  Well, there's some to the south and to the north of there.

• 1:47:43Speaker 02

  I know, but still.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  Going through farmland, trying to jump fences.

• 1:47:45Speaker 02

  Way, way far away. I was like, what the heck?

• 1:47:48Cameron Hanes?

  We'll take the, we'll take the caribou, just not, leave the grizzlies. The grizzlies can stay.

• 1:47:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, they need to stay far away.

• 1:47:55Cameron Hanes?

  They stay, we don't want them messing up our baits.

• 1:47:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:58Cameron Hanes?

  And killing our black bear.

• 1:48:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:00Cameron Hanes?

  But, um, man, what an awesome, I just love hunting with you guys. I can't wait to give away this hunt to, to have, share it with somebody up there and super thankful for you guys.

• 1:48:12Speaker 01

  Grizzlies, they are hard on the black bears. Cause yeah, we were looking at numbers yesterday in one of the parks in Alberta and there was about 60 grizzlies in there and 20 black bears. So.

• 1:48:21Speaker 02

  That was numbers from like.

• 1:48:21Speaker 01

  Normally, black bears are more plentiful than anything else.

• 1:48:24Speaker 02

  24 or something?

• 1:48:25Speaker 01

  Kill them. They kill them in the den, out of the den. They love digging them out of the den because the grizzly's out a month before and a month after. So he goes, finds the dens.

• 1:48:33Speaker 02

  And every once in a while, somebody will get it on video, like, and he's like, hey, you gotta see this. I'm like, I know what happens. I don't wanna see it. I don't wanna hear it. Or same, what was last fall? It was some big bull elk that was running and there was a pack of wolves on him trying to take him down.

• 1:48:48Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I don't like, I didn't even like watching that.

• 1:48:50Speaker 02

  I'm like, I know what happens. I, I can't watch it. I just.

• 1:48:54Cameron Hanes?

  I understand it. I just, yeah, I, I used to, I used to be able to watch and I wouldn't even care, but now I'm just getting softer.

• 1:49:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:01Cameron Hanes?

  I'm like.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:03Speaker 02

  It's harder to watch those things.

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  Did you have notes of anything that we didn't want to miss?

• 1:49:06Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I did notes. Like I was doing all these notes and thought I'm gonna be like all factual and all this stuff, but I really didn't, I, we kind of capped most of it.

• 1:49:16Speaker 01

  Recap the 26 hunt.

• 1:49:18Speaker 02

  I mean, we talked about, oh.

• 1:49:20Speaker 01

  Are you coming back next year?

• 1:49:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay, remember last time, or from the spring, people like how you measure and stuff? Just define when we say nose to tail and square. Just put it out there factually. Cause they're like, what do you mean? You're not measuring it right? Blah, blah, blah. You did the divide and stuff.

• 1:49:36Speaker 01

  So you're gonna get longer when you skin it out for a rug. It's gonna be longer than what it was on the carcass because skin stretches and the taxidermy is gonna stretch it to make a rug. So you get what you're gonna get when you stretch it.

• 1:49:48Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, this is probably two.

• 1:49:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:49:52Cameron Hanes?

  This wolf. So you could, you could say how that'd be different.

• 1:49:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:56Cameron Hanes?

  So if.

• 1:49:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:59Cameron Hanes?

  So what we're talking about is.

• 1:50:02Speaker 01

  That's a good example.

• 1:50:03Cameron Hanes?

  Is, yeah, we, we'll cut up here for the rug.

• 1:50:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. You can cut right up to the chin on a, on a bear.

• 1:50:08Speaker 02

  So you can see how much this is gonna.

• 1:50:10Speaker 01

  It'll spread.

• 1:50:10Cameron Hanes?

  So this, so we would measure like this claw to claw.

• 1:50:14Speaker 01

  That's the.

• 1:50:15Cameron Hanes?

  But if you split it like for a rug, that's gonna be wider.

• 1:50:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, this whole thing is tubed, right? So.

• 1:50:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:19Cameron Hanes?

  Right. So, and then that, and then we go nose.

• 1:50:23Speaker 01

  So this wouldn't be a true square because he's not skinned up.

• 1:50:25Speaker 02

  Nose to tail.

• 1:50:26Cameron Hanes?

  Nose to, to the tip of the tail.

• 1:50:28Speaker 01

  Nose to tail.

• 1:50:29Cameron Hanes?

  So that, plus that.

• 1:50:30Speaker 01

  Tell you the bear is seven feet nose to tail, that's there to the end of the tail, to the longest hair.

• 1:50:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So that, that'd be nose to tail. But if we say square, it's that plus the claw to claw divided by two.

• 1:50:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. And that's what they do in Alaska with brown bear.

• 1:50:44Cameron Hanes?

  That's what everybody does.

• 1:50:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. So we're like.

• 1:50:46Cameron Hanes?

  The only difference is if it's tubed or if it's cut.

• 1:50:49Speaker 01

  Exactly. If it's not, if it's tubed, you're not getting the width.

• 1:50:51Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 1:50:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:52Cameron Hanes?

  You're, so even, even if you cut that one, you'd get like another foot.

• 1:50:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:57Cameron Hanes?

  Out of that.

• 1:50:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. So that's how we measure. If people are wondering or if they think we're being unfair and measuring too big.

• 1:51:02Cameron Hanes?

  That's how.

• 1:51:02Speaker 01

  That's how we do it. And that's how we're gonna do it. And so.

• 1:51:05Cameron Hanes?

  And I think what people might be.

• 1:51:09Cameron Hanes?

  Like, do they not stretch it?

• 1:51:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:12Cameron Hanes?

  And they say, so you're just supposed to throw it there and just measure how it was laying?

• 1:51:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:51:16Cameron Hanes?

  We just kind of lay it, just.

• 1:51:17Speaker 01

  I watch a taxidermist make the rugs, how much they stretch it.

• 1:51:20Speaker 02

  Okay, here's, here's a good one. Okay, so you get a big elk or a big mule deer. Are you just gonna look at it and say, yeah, I think it's about this. That'll, that'll be good. He looks like he could be like a 140. You're gonna measure him exactly.

• 1:51:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:33Speaker 02

  Hey, for the fisherman, if you're going out to get a big whatever, like for us, a big walleye or whatever, you have to measure it.

• 1:51:40Speaker 01

  That's a big elk.

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  Okay, you have to measure it.

• 1:51:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, you know what doesn't lie? The skull size. Well, if the guys measure it right.

• 1:51:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:47Speaker 01

  I was listening to these guys one time, like, yeah, we killed a bunch of 22 inch bears. No, you didn't.

• 1:51:52Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 1:51:53Speaker 01

  Doesn't exist.

• 1:51:53Cameron Hanes?

  Hand me that big skull.

• 1:51:54Speaker 01

  There's the odd one killed, but.

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  Here's a monster.

• 1:51:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, so everybody gets a 22 inch bear. So they were measuring, they were taking a tape and they were going like this.

• 1:52:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:06Speaker 01

  And then take a tape and go like this. Well, yeah, you're gonna get fricking grizzly sized black bear.

• 1:52:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so.

• 1:52:13Speaker 01

  But you take your calipers and you go to the longest.

• 1:52:16Cameron Hanes?

  Or we just go like.

• 1:52:17Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 1:52:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, or you just, yeah, if you can put it in a box, they have boxes to measure skulls.

• 1:52:21Cameron Hanes?

  So you just.

• 1:52:21Speaker 01

  And the boards will slide in.

• 1:52:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, you measure that.

• 1:52:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, on the widest point.

• 1:52:27Cameron Hanes?

  You go right there.

• 1:52:28Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:52:30Cameron Hanes?

  And then it's.

• 1:52:31Speaker 01

  And you know, on, on deer or any other animal, there's shrinkage, right? Your deer, say he scored 160.

• 1:52:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:38Speaker 01

  When he dries and shrinks, you're gonna lose a little bit because things narrow down, they tighten up, they shrink.

• 1:52:42Cameron Hanes?

  Dry out.

• 1:52:43Speaker 01

  Dry out. On a bear, they can actually get bigger.

• 1:52:47Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 1:52:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:47Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 1:52:48Speaker 01

  What did he end up, you know, after shrinking, after 60 day waiting period, bigger? And the reason, you don't see it, you got a black bear skull?

• 1:52:56Cameron Hanes?

  I think that's what you're saying there.

• 1:52:59Speaker 02

  Oh, but you can show it on that.

• 1:53:01Speaker 01

  That's a black, yeah. Yeah, so when it's drying, these things right here will pop.

• 1:53:08Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I see.

• 1:53:09Speaker 01

  So it gets wider instead of shrinking.

• 1:53:11Cameron Hanes?

  And also, if you have the bottom jaw on, they, they say you can count that, like if that,

• 1:53:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:18Cameron Hanes?

  the tooth goes a little bit further than that tooth, you can go to that.

• 1:53:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:22Cameron Hanes?

  The bottom tooth, but we're just talking like, like sixteenth of an inch.

• 1:53:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:26Cameron Hanes?

  Just time, but we're just going that straight up.

• 1:53:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:30Cameron Hanes?

  And width straight up.

• 1:53:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:32Cameron Hanes?

  And that's, so that's the skull. We showed the, the hide. That's what we're doing.

• 1:53:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:37Speaker 01

  And in the meat, it's just delicious.

• 1:53:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, for sure. What other notes you got?

• 1:53:42Speaker 01

  Cool to have.

• 1:53:43Speaker 02

  That was kind of, we, believe it or not, I think we touched pretty good on everything.

• 1:53:47Cameron Hanes?

  I think we did, I think we did good. I think it was a good discussion.

• 1:53:50Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:53:52Speaker 02

  I think it was pretty cool. Do you think we missed anything? Cause we talked and we're like, hey, what do we talk about this time? I don't want to always talk about the same stuff.

• 1:54:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:54:00Speaker 02

  But it's like, good, good information.

• 1:54:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's all new stuff. It's just stuff that I see a lot of questions on or I get questions on and but mostly just want to talk about our love of hunting and fellowship and.

• 1:54:14Speaker 02

  And we like the questions. So if you do come to Alberta hunting, you can take the bear meat, the bear skull, everything back with you. I'm going to clarify that because I get a lot of questions about that. Absolutely. Your hunting license is your export permit. You can take it home with you.

• 1:54:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:28Speaker 02

  The catch is if you want to leave it, then we have to get a Sides permit. So if you're gonna get it, take it to our taxidermist or whatever, which is usually.

• 1:54:36Speaker 01

  And that's easy. The taxidermist does it all.

• 1:54:37Speaker 02

  They do it all. They ship it all. They take care of it all. But the biggest thing is if you want meat, you have to take it home. That's the only thing we can't ship. We're not allowed to ship wild game into the States, so.

• 1:54:49Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:54:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:50Speaker 02

  So if you want meat, bring a good grizzly cooler.

• 1:54:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:52Speaker 02

  Fill her up and take her home.

• 1:54:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. And our taxidermist, Orion, is the one that does the shipping for all the other taxidermists. He's the shipping exporter that gets all the permits, the Sides permits and everything. So it's great that he's our taxidermist. He's not going to somebody else to get shipped. He does it all, boom, and it's gone.

• 1:55:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:11Cameron Hanes?

  And just so you know, I mean, you can just load up coolers and you just pay for them as extra luggage.

• 1:55:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:55:17Cameron Hanes?

  And so I, I pay, I think, I don't know, a couple hundred bucks.

• 1:55:20Speaker 01

  Are you shipping them? Are you like, oh, they're going on the plane with you?

• 1:55:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So, and there's, there's a weight limit on the cooler. So you just got to know what that is for your airline. It might be 75 pounds, it might be 100 pounds, but just know what it is on, for your airline. So you don't have to mess with meat at the checking counter.

• 1:55:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:37Cameron Hanes?

  Know that ahead of time and then just have the cooler and then we can weigh it, just like we did mine this year and went through no problem.

• 1:55:44Speaker 02

  And with you on your person, like I said, it's just your hunting license. That's your export permit. You don't need anything else. You have to declare it, of course. But that's it. They have all the information they, they need right there.

• 1:55:53Speaker 01

  And then on your, on your night in the city, before you get on your plane the next day, we use a hotel that's got a walk-in freezer, one of the only ones that's still got a walk-in freezer where the guys can put their coolers in there, let them keep freezing.

• 1:56:04Speaker 02

  And we think about this because if, we want you to succeed, but we also want you to get your game home safe. Whether it's your hide, you're taking your hide and your meat or either or.

• 1:56:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  It's this way it can stay frozen overnight. It's gonna get home. Like in those coolers, they'll stay frozen for days.

• 1:56:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I, I do get that question all the time.

• 1:56:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:21Cameron Hanes?

  About the meat and how I got it home and all that. So that's, that's really good to cover.

• 1:56:25Speaker 02

  And we try to get it all froze.

• 1:56:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:27Speaker 02

  Frozen before you leave.

• 1:56:28Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, you got, you, you do a great job.

• 1:56:30Speaker 01

  If it's not all frozen, when you get to the hotel, you put it in their walk-in freezer and then overnight before you fly the next day.

• 1:56:35Cameron Hanes?

  Those grizzly coolers keep them froze for a while.

• 1:56:37Speaker 01

  A long time.

• 1:56:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:38Speaker 01

  Cups. Where's my drink cup? This thing here, I'll put ice in there and I'm using it for two days with the same ice where I keep on, I drink it all and then there's all the ice left. And then I'll pour another, another drink in there, another Black Rifle energy drink or water. And I got ice in there still for another day.

• 1:56:58Cameron Hanes?

  It's amazing.

• 1:56:59Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 1:57:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. It's a long way from, from those little foam, remember those foam little coolers? You just get that disintegrate.

• 1:57:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:09Speaker 01

  So those big grizzly 450s, their biggest cooler that they make.

• 1:57:13Cameron Hanes?

  That's my ice bath.

• 1:57:14Speaker 01

  So when we go to the taxidermy shop and bring all the bears from all the clients from the spring.

• 1:57:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:18Speaker 01

  We took this year 19 or 20 bears. We can put 10 frozen bears per cooler.

• 1:57:24Cameron Hanes?

  Whoa.

• 1:57:24Speaker 01

  With skulls. That's how big they are. You can put an elk and a half in there.

• 1:57:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:27Cameron Hanes?

  That'd be huge.

• 1:57:29Speaker 02

  So the next thing I want to get efficient on is when we freeze them, I want to figure out kind of what the average is going to be so I can put it in a box or a crate. So it'll freeze the right size because sometimes your bear, there is, there is no getting your bear into one cooler. That was like putting three bears in a cooler. It's like.

• 1:57:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:45Cameron Hanes?

  You had to do a jigsaw puzzle to try to get it as close as possible.

• 1:57:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. And when they're bigger, you gotta take off the hocks and I, so I figured out a couple ways.

• 1:57:53Speaker 01

  Next big build or whatever we're doing next is a walk-in freezer, walk-in cooler.

• 1:57:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:58Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that'd be, that'd be great.

• 1:57:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:01Cameron Hanes?

  Well, thank you, guys. This has been fun discussion.

• 1:58:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:05Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:58:05Cameron Hanes?

  Can't wait for the next.

• 1:58:06Speaker 01

  Again, do you know which podcast is, this is our sixth, I think, including the skinning table ones?

• 1:58:10Cameron Hanes?

  Hey, people love it.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  I kind of miss not doing that this year.

• 1:58:13Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:58:14Speaker 02

  It was so busy and so much.

• 1:58:16Cameron Hanes?

  What we did, yeah.

• 1:58:16Speaker 02

  So much happening and.

• 1:58:17Cameron Hanes?

  There was.

• 1:58:18Speaker 01

  Next year, we gotta get James to film Jen's spiel on the bears too.

• 1:58:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:21Speaker 01

  And put that up on YouTube.

• 1:58:22Cameron Hanes?

  That's what we'll do.

• 1:58:23Speaker 01

  See, if they're not coming with us, they're going somewhere else, they can watch that and go, okay, this is what I need to look for.

• 1:58:27Speaker 02

  This is what I should look for. This is what I've had.

• 1:58:29Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I love that talk. Yeah, no, that, that's, we'll definitely do that. That'll be popular.

• 1:58:34Speaker 02

  It's been refined and adjusted many times over. And now it's kind of like, this is what we need to talk about, the basics. And even a packing list. I'm serious. When he went to Alaska with you.

• 1:58:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:44Speaker 02

  We're like, okay, what do you pack? He's never done this. He's never been there. Like you get all these questions.

• 1:58:48Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I know. And I think it'd be good to talk about like, good broadheads.

• 1:58:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:53Cameron Hanes?

  You know?

• 1:58:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, just, just the basics on, for people going on the first bear hunt.

• 1:58:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:59Speaker 02

  And for bears, never a two blade, not even with little kickers. It's like taking a knife and stabbing it into something. And when you pull it back out, bears have like, they're flabby, big skin, lots of hair.

• 1:59:10Cameron Hanes?

  Covers it up.

• 1:59:10Speaker 02

  It'll kind of just seal it back up. It's not like with an antle for deer, you punch it and it kind of pops.

• 1:59:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's thick. You want a good blood trail to follow.

• 1:59:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I used to have some, some of those. Oh, I think it's in here. But yeah, you want a big old hole.

• 1:59:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. Those carnivores make a hole the size of a shotgun, like a 12 gauge slug.

• 1:59:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, right here. So when you, as you, as opposed to a two blade, that does, as a knife, you put a hole like that in them.

• 1:59:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:38Cameron Hanes?

  That's gonna bleed and that's not gonna seal up.

• 1:59:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:40Cameron Hanes?

  Or you talk about that kind of fat kind of goes over, a hole like that is not gonna seal up.

• 1:59:45Speaker 02

  You think like a two blade. I'll use this. So it's basically this.

• 1:59:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:49Speaker 02

  Like this, and then it has a little kicker and a little kicker. If you punch that into the side that's really like a bear, flabby, lots of hair, and you pull it out, you, you don't see, just do it like after when you butcher something, you stab it in, you pull it out, you can't even see you stabbed it in, so.

• 2:00:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, black bear is pretty easy to poke through.

• 2:00:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, they're definitely.

• 2:00:06Speaker 01

  You still want enough poundage to shoot a four blade like that because it's more resistance, right? So it's gonna shore things down, but.

• 2:00:12Speaker 02

  And then again, in Alberta, in order to shoot archery, it has to be 40 pounds, right? Legal to hunt big game.

• 2:00:18Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:00:18Cameron Hanes?

  So yeah, that, we'll film that next year, put that up. That'll be great.

• 2:00:22Speaker 02

  And this way, people, there's still gonna be lots of questions, but at least they can go to it and say, hey, this makes it a little easier. Cause you can tell me stuff and I'll forget in five minutes. I'm trying to remember when you're saying who else and I'm like, who else was it? My gosh. It kind of all blurs. And each year, because a lot of them are repeats, it kind of blurs. It's like, which week were they there? I'm trying to remember.

• 2:00:43Cameron Hanes?

  Not my week.

• 2:00:44Speaker 02

  What helps memory?

• 2:00:46Speaker 01

  Where time goes by fast. I can't believe it's, fall season's gonna open up right away.

• 2:00:49Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 2:00:51Speaker 02

  So we get home from here, we go to a wedding in Montana, and then on the 11th, we start baiting bears again of August.

• 2:00:58Cameron Hanes?

  Never ending.

• 2:00:58Speaker 01

  Can't wait.

• 2:00:59Speaker 02

  He's excited.

• 2:00:59Speaker 01

  Can't wait.

• 2:01:00Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I gotta go shoot my bow right now.

• 2:01:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:03Speaker 02

  Sounds good.

• 2:01:03Cameron Hanes?

  I'm getting ready.

• 2:01:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:04Cameron Hanes?

  Well, thank you, guys.

• 2:01:05Speaker 01

  I've always dialed in. Oh, my God.

• 2:01:07Cameron Hanes?

  Is it?

• 2:01:07Speaker 01

  Every time of year, when we're here at this time, Wayne and the guys get us dialed in, they get everything set up, got our new Hoyts. And boy, does it fast.

• 2:01:15Speaker 02

  We were at the farm last night because I hadn't got to work on mine yet.

• 2:01:17Speaker 01

  I'm shooting a 525 grain arrow and I'm like, at 300, some, some of the Chronos were 302 or just 290 something.

• 2:01:26Cameron Hanes?

  That is so much energy. Yeah, that's gonna hit hard.

• 2:01:30Speaker 01

  Shoot, like, how is there that much difference from my previous year bow to where now I can dial to 140, 150?

• 2:01:38Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 2:01:39Speaker 01

  Before I'd be touching, fletching on the housing at like 110, 1.

• 2:01:43Speaker 02

  He's out there giggling like a little kid.

• 2:01:45Speaker 01

  I'm shooting off Wayne's deck at 125, 140.

• 2:01:48Cameron Hanes?

  That's fun, isn't it?

• 2:01:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:49Cameron Hanes?

  So fun.

• 2:01:50Speaker 01

  Practicing just in case you showed up and you were gonna compete or something.

• 2:01:53Cameron Hanes?

  So fun.

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  And then he worked with me last night tweaking everything and I was like, okay, doing this.

• 2:01:58Speaker 01

  Wayne tweaked her last night. It was insane.

• 2:02:00Speaker 02

  Season, I didn't get to shoot a lot. And he's like, hey, Jen, do this, this, this. Like, he's like the sensei. What do you call sensei? Whatever, master.

• 2:02:05Speaker 01

  He just watches you and he's like, okay.

• 2:02:06Speaker 02

  He's like, try this, remember this?

• 2:02:08Cameron Hanes?

  Wax off.

• 2:02:08Speaker 02

  Tick, tick, tick. And I went from like this to like this.

• 2:02:10Speaker 01

  She had four arrows touching. Like Wayne's like, my group's not even that tired. I'm like, mine either.

• 2:02:16Speaker 02

  I'm like, okay, I'm done. Let's walk away.

• 2:02:18Cameron Hanes?

  The herd bull's a better teacher than shooter these days.

• 2:02:22Speaker 02

  He's an awesome teacher.

• 2:02:23Speaker 01

  Starts to suck.

• 2:02:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:24Cameron Hanes?

  Well, thank you, guys, for this camera.

• 2:02:26Speaker 01

  Holy moly. Thanks, Travis. I'll be texting you, buddy. I love this.

• 2:02:31Cameron Hanes?

  How, how lucky are we?

• 2:02:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:33Cameron Hanes?

  Well, yeah.

• 2:02:34Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:02:35Cameron Hanes?

  We'll just keep doing it.

• 2:02:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, so Reveal wanted you to have that for your blacktail hunt or whatever you gotta do around here.

• 2:02:40Cameron Hanes?

  Super thankful.

• 2:02:41Speaker 01

  Look from home and go, holy shit, look what's there now.

• 2:02:43Cameron Hanes?

  Super thankful.

• 2:02:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're legal in, in Oregon.

• 2:02:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah, this is great. This is perfect what I need for blacktail.

• 2:02:49Speaker 01

  Pack so it lasts a long time.

• 2:02:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I, I scored.

• 2:02:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:54Speaker 02

  Hey, in the Bible, it says, given it shall be given.

• 2:02:56Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I'm not gonna argue with the Bible.

• 2:02:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. It is true. You give and I mean, it's just, it's, it's fun to give.

• 2:03:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is. It's a principle like gravity. Whether you believe it or not, it works.

• 2:03:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. Awesome.

• 2:03:08Speaker 01

  Right on.

• 2:03:09Speaker 02

  Thanks for having us, Cam.

• 2:03:09Speaker 01

  On the podcast again, Cam.

• 2:03:11Cameron Hanes?

  Love you, guys.

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  Love you too.

• 2:03:12Speaker 01

  Love you.

• 2:03:12Cameron Hanes?

  Thank you. Keep hammering, guys.