The Guildford Four | Head Held High | 3

The lawyer hired to keep the Guildford Four behind bars finds something in the case files that changes everything. But Gerry is about to learn that walking free is only the beginning of the fight. Do you have a suggestion for a scandal you would like us to cover? Or perhaps you have a question you would like to ask our hosts? Email us at [email protected] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Alice Levine?

  Audible subscribers can listen to all episodes of British Scandal ad-free right now. Join Audible today by downloading the Audible app. This episode contains strong language and police violence. Listener discretion is advised.

• 0:13Matt Forde?

  Alice, do you remember that petition I started a couple of years ago?

• 0:17Alice Levine?

  Oh, God. Uh, no, no.

• 0:19Matt Forde?

  You must remember, because I'd said I wanted our names to alternate on who came first on the credits, because it's always yours. And you said if I got 10,000 signatures from the public, you'd agree to the change.

• 0:30Alice Levine?

  Oh, yeah, that. Uh, yeah, I mean, oh, well, unlucky.

• 0:35Matt Forde?

  Well, a mate of mine signed it the other day online. He said it's gone over 50,000 signatures.

• 0:39Alice Levine?

  I doubt that very much.

• 0:41Matt Forde?

  Well, can we have a look?

• 0:42Alice Levine?

  Uh, sure.

• 0:44Matt Forde?

  Yeah, look, it's well over 50,000 now.

• 0:46Alice Levine?

  Yeah, I just don't know if we should be making rash changes to the show now. We don't want to throw people off.

• 0:52Matt Forde?

  You said if I got 10,000, we could do it. Now it's at 50. This feels like you were never intending to agree to the deal regardless.

• 0:59Alice Levine?

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, I think you're blowing this all out of proportion. Of course I'm a woman of my word. It's at 50,000. That's great. I think we just need a fresh start. New deal, 100,000, your name can come first every fortnight.

• 1:12Matt Forde?

  Okay, that's good.

• 1:13Alice Levine?

  So off you go. Go get the 120,000. And then, once you've sent it to me, we'll sort it out. I'll talk to the producers.

• 1:20Matt Forde?

  Uh, feels like you're shifting the goalposts a bit, but yeah, I think I can do that.

• 1:25Alice Levine?

  And if 200,000 people are saying it, then it's very hard for me to push back. And I think that that's fair and right.

• 1:31Matt Forde?

  Hmm, okay, yes, I think we've got a deal.

• 1:35Alice Levine?

  I mean, it is going to be difficult to get a million people to sign this, but if you believe in it, I believe in it.

• 1:43Alice Levine?

  1993, Walter Simmons's house, Surrey. Ex-detective Chief Superintendent Wally Simmons checks himself in the hallway mirror of his mock Tudor semi-detached house, runs his hand through his thinning hair, then tugs down his blazer

• 2:01Alice Levine?

  and heads out to the car. He opens the boot of his Rover, puts in his golf bag of brand-new irons. He's playing against some of his old colleagues from Surrey Police today, and he's been looking forward to it for weeks. He's just about to drive off when he sees his wife running from the house. Her eyes are wide with panic. Wally, Wally! He feels his heart lurch with dread as he rushes towards her. What's happened? Are you all right? She shakes her head. I've just seen them on TV. They're being picked up. Who? John, Vernon, Tommy. It's on the news. He stares at her, his mouth slack.

• 2:43Alice Levine?

  He's due to meet all three men at the golf course in half an hour.

• 2:49Matt Forde?

  Whenever police play golf, or whenever people have done bad things in the past go for a round of golf, they must know that halfway through that game, you're going to be interrupted with some bad news.

• 3:02Alice Levine?

  You're never making it to the clubhouse, are you? You're never making it to the fourth hole. You're never making it to the clown's head that you have to knock the ball through. Do they have that in golf, or is that just pitch and putt?

• 3:11Matt Forde?

  I think that's the Masters.

• 3:14Alice Levine?

  Wally follows her into the house, then stops dead in front of the TV. His blood chills as he stares at the screen.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  The three former Surrey Police officers were arrested earlier today over allegations relating to investigations into the 1974 Guildford pub bombings.

• 3:33Alice Levine?

  He watches in horror as they're led from their homes in handcuffs.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  The officers involved are accused of conspiring to revert the course of justice in the case of the Guildford Four.

• 3:45Alice Levine?

  Wally feels his legs give. He slumps into the armchair. He was in charge of the Guildford investigation.

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Lawyers for the three men have denied the allegations.

• 3:58Alice Levine?

  Wally remembers the interrogation room, the confessions. His men carried out the beatings, but he'd overseen them. He'd signed off on the arrests.

• 4:11Matt Forde?

  This is something I always wonder, is, given the way that the police treated IRA suspects at the time, how were you not permanently harrowed and haunted by the things you'd seen, agreed to, done, watched other people do? I don't know how you'd ever leave the house for a game of golf.

• 4:29Alice Levine?

  Yeah, even when we're reading about it, the brutality is so stark. The way Gerry was coerced into a confession, beatings, psychological torture, cigarettes being put out on him. I mean, it's just so horrific. So the idea that you would sign your name on the bit of paper to sanction all of that is just unthinkable. Wally reaches for the telephone, his pulse smacking in his ears as his voice barks out. Get me a lawyer. I think I might be in trouble.

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• 6:42Alice Levine?

  I'm Alice Mavene.

• 6:43Matt Forde?

  And I'm Matt Ford.

• 6:44Alice Levine?

  And this is British Scandal, an Audible original.

• 6:59Alice Levine?

  Okay, Matt, how are you feeling about Gerry's situation after we left him at the end of the last episode?

• 7:05Matt Forde?

  Obviously, in general, it's still, at times, pretty hopeless. But it does feel like we've reached a bit of a turning point for him, because his lawyer, Gareth Pearce, found the forensic scientist, Higgs. They met in a pub, and Higgs told her that the Woolwich bomb and the Guildford bomb were clearly made by the same bomber. And the Woolwich bomb had gone off after the Guildford bomb, so there's no way it's Gerry that could have made it. Not only that, Higgs is now willing to admit that he was lent on to bury the truth. And as well as all that, an actual IRA bomber, Joe O'Connell, told the police that he'd made the bomb. And on top of that, he'd said in court that the Guildford Four couldn't have done it.

• 7:43Alice Levine?

  Yes, that all sounds very positive, and in a different show, perhaps that would be all the information needed to exonerate Gerry. But this is British Scandal. All I will say, though, is Gareth Pearce, what an operator, what a machine. And thank God she is on the case, and she might have even got the Home Secretary on side, too. But as we know from experience, when it comes to taking on the British establishment, you need to go to the top, and I'm talking about even further to the top than the Home Secretary.

• 8:11Matt Forde?

  Yes, the Prime Minister, who at this time is Margaret Thatcher, and not someone feigned for either changing her mind or apologising.

• 8:17Alice Levine?

  Or being a fan of the IRA who tried to blow her up in her hotel bed four years prior. So will the establishment close ranks again, or could the evidence win? This is episode three, Head Held High.

• 8:34Alice Levine?

  Five years earlier, December 1988, Rhodes, Greece. Margaret Thatcher positions herself in the middle of a group of European leaders, smooths down her blue pattern dress, wipes a bead of sweat from her upper lip, then smiles at the cameras. She glances towards the glittering turquoise sea next to them, takes in the sweeping panoramas of Ilyosos Bay. But she hasn't come here to admire the Greek coastline. She's here to defend British interests against growing European encroachment. And relations with other leaders are tense, to say the least. A few months ago, she told them in no uncertain terms

• 9:16Alice Levine?

  she wouldn't tolerate a federal European superstate. She watches now as the French President, Francois Mitterrand, turns his back on her, huddles with the other leaders. She frowns as she hears a familiar voice behind her. Margaret, could I have a word? Her jaw clenches as she turns to see the Irish Prime Minister, Charles Hawke, marching towards her. She takes in his thin lips, his hooded eyes. He's already cornered her four times in the past three months at international summits. She's sick of it. I've just spoken to a journalist about the Guildford Four case. Is it true Hurd's commissioned an inquiry into police failings? Margaret purses her lips.

• 10:00Alice Levine?

  She's outright refused the Home Secretary's request for a second appeal. And she's still irked he commissioned an independent police report.

• 10:10Matt Forde?

  What's the police report he's commissioned?

• 10:12Alice Levine?

  So Douglas Hurd has asked the Avon and Somerset Police to scrutinise how the Surrey Police have dealt with this issue in the form of an independent police report, which is definitely progress when you think about how the IRA were being treated at the time and how the police were being protected. And considering Thatcher has refused these appeals, she's not best pleased that he's found another way to investigate the whole thing.

• 10:41Alice Levine?

  She lowers her voice. Charles?

• 10:44Speaker 02

  It's not the time.

• 10:46Alice Levine?

  But he cuts in. I've had a letter from Gerry Conlon. The man's almost suicidal. I've had his lawyer pierce on to me. Yesterday, I was even forced to endure a dressing down from a nun. The press are constantly holding my feet to the fire on this, Margaret. He takes out a handkerchief, mops at his forehead. Imprisoning innocent people will not end the troubles. She grips her handbag tightly. She's fed up of being lectured on this. At the last summit, the Russian president, Mikhail Gorbachev, had the gall to talk about the Guildford Four as a terrible miscarriage of justice. She'd snapped back that he had no right to lecture her on human rights. But Margaret has faced wave after wave of criticism.

• 11:32Alice Levine?

  Even that wretched band, The Pogues, have released a protest song about it.

• 11:37Matt Forde?

  They had some bangers as well. You wouldn't want them on your case.

• 11:39Alice Levine?

  You've got the nuns on your case, you've got the Pogues on your case. You know this is over.

• 11:44Matt Forde?

  It would be like Harry Styles writing a song, a protest song addressed to Andy Burnham.

• 11:50Alice Levine?

  I've never heard you sound older. Who is the modern version of The Pogues, Harry Styles?

• 11:58Alice Levine?

  Margaret hisses at Hawkeye.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  I don't get involved in the courts, Charles. I've already made that perfectly clear.

• 12:06Alice Levine?

  His eyes bulge. What if your bloody courts are wrong? She feels her anger rising.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  May I remind you? It's less than four years since the IRA tried to assassinate me and my cabinet in Brighton.

• 12:21Alice Levine?

  Hawkeye puts up his hands.

• 12:23Speaker 02

  One hundred pounds of Jell-O night, Charles. It is a miracle I survived, but I did. Your country has the biggest concentration of terrorists in the world.

• 12:34Alice Levine?

  She glares at him.

• 12:36Speaker 02

  I will not allow the British judiciary to be maligned. The courts have decided those four people are IRA terrorists. They are guilty. And they will serve their full sentence.

• 12:50Matt Forde?

  That's establishment thinking real life, isn't it? That's well, the system has decided that they're guilty. So that's your final answer, rather than any assessment that the system might be flawed.

• 13:00Alice Levine?

  Yes, just the idea that this would actually look really bad. The reputation of the legal system would take a real battering if we acknowledge that there's been a miscarriage of justice. So we probably won't do that.

• 13:11Matt Forde?

  No, and in the eighties, I mean, Thatcherism and the Tory party at the time was so macho. It wasn't just that they genuinely believed in the rule of law and all the rest of it. They loved to be seen to be tough. And there was the whole Portillo thing about the SAS and who dares wins. They're really hot on it. They loved being seen as hard people. So they get a thrill out of stuff like this.

• 13:33Alice Levine?

  Hawkeye locks eyes with her, his face reddening. He jabs a stubby finger. This is not over. She watches him storm off. Margaret pats her hair and decides. She won't be bullied by Hawkeye. And she doesn't negotiate with terrorists. Those four won't be released on her watch. They'll serve their full time. And when she gets back to London, she'll tell the Home Secretary the same.

• 14:06Alice Levine?

  A few days later, Downing Street. Douglas Hurd marches through the busy office, climbs the steps two at a time. He's been called to see the Prime Minister about the Guildford case. She's finally read the report from Avon and Somerset Police. The report he'd commissioned as Home Secretary after finding out about Dr. Higgs and the pressure put on him to change his evidence.

• 14:32Alice Levine?

  And the findings are damning. He hopes Margaret will finally see sense and come round to the idea of an appeal. He follows the aide into her office. He clears his throat.

• 14:45Speaker 02

  How was Greece, Prime Minister?

• 14:48Alice Levine?

  He watches for a few moments as she silently cuts into some rose stems, then arranges them in a vase.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  I will not tolerate shop-bought flowers, not when there's a whole rose garden outside.

• 15:00Matt Forde?

  The Tory party at the time was obsessed with cutting things. Whether it was in public services.

• 15:06Alice Levine?

  Come on.

• 15:07Matt Forde?

  People's wages or indeed the rosebush in their garden, Mr. Speaker.

• 15:15Matt Forde?

  And she took those shears and she used them on our NHS, Mr. Speaker.

• 15:22Alice Levine?

  She snips another stem. Hurd shifts.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  Quite.

• 15:27Alice Levine?

  She places the final flower in the vase, takes a step back and frowns at it. Hurd takes a step forward.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  You've read the report from Avon and Somerset Police.

• 15:39Alice Levine?

  She turns her back to him, moves the vase to the windowsill. He opens his copy.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  I hope you agree, given the level of discrepancies they found.

• 15:49Alice Levine?

  He watches her back freeze. He swallows hard, stutters on.

• 15:54Speaker 02

  Avon and Somerset reported finding thirty-two different sets of handwriting on the confessions and arrest records. Altered witness statements. I don't see how we can avoid opening this up.

• 16:07Alice Levine?

  But she spins around, plants her hands firmly on the desk.

• 16:11Speaker 02

  No, Douglas, no.

• 16:13Alice Levine?

  He blinks.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  Whatever the police did, they must have a good reason.

• 16:19Alice Levine?

  He stutters out.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  With respect, Prime Minister, that doesn't appear to be true. And with Dr. Higgs's evidence. Douglas, the IRA just killed eight British soldiers in County Tyrone, twenty-eight wounded.

• 16:34Alice Levine?

  He puts up his hands to agree, but she spits out.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  The IRA have never been more active or more dangerous. We cannot be soft on terrorism, Douglas.

• 16:44Alice Levine?

  He swallows.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  I don't believe they are terrorists, Prime Minister.

• 16:50Alice Levine?

  But she raises her voice.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  Have you forgotten they tried to kill me?

• 16:55Alice Levine?

  He looks into her blazing eyes, then down at the floor, runs his hand through his white hair.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  You may go.

• 17:04Alice Levine?

  He stares down at the burgundy-patterned carpet. He's already compromised with her wants by calling for a police review rather than an appeal. But now he's seen the report and the evidence is too serious to ignore. He knows Margaret doesn't want to see the case reopened. But he's also aware she believes in the basic tenets of British justice. That the wrongly accused deserve their shot. And as Home Secretary, the final decision on what happens is his. He takes a deep breath, turns to leave and makes his decision. He knows exactly what he's going to do. And he'll face the fallout when it comes.

• 17:51Alice Levine?

  Two days later, Gareth Pearce's house, North London. Gareth snatches up her bag from the kitchen table, grabs her keys. She's on her way to meet a reporter. She wants the findings of the Avon and Somerset Police report to be made public. She's about to switch off the TV when she stops. Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams is being interviewed on the news. A few weeks ago, Douglas Hurd banned live broadcasts from Adams and other Sinn Fein leaders. So now all their words are dubbed by actors. She watches as Adams's words fall out of sync, shakes her head in disbelief. It's absurd.

• 18:33Alice Levine?

  Yes, so this was an initiative that was brought in by Hurd himself. And it is totally absurd. It's ridiculous to think about. But this went on for years. It was the original lip sync battle. Interesting fact, often the voice of Gerry Adams was played by the actor Stephen Ray. What a mad, regular gig to have.

• 18:51Matt Forde?

  I mean, it'd be cool when you say, I'll do a bit of acting, a bit of West End, I play Gerry Adams on the news, you've probably seen some of my work.

• 18:58Matt Forde?

  Oddly with him as well, he was married to a woman called Dolores, who was an IRA bomber who went on hunger strike. So he's then an actor who's very close to the world of the people that he's dubbing over.

• 19:09Alice Levine?

  She turns off the TV, ignores the phone, lets it go to answer machine.

• 19:14Speaker 06

  And Mrs. Pearce, I'm telephoning on behalf of the Home Secretary.

• 19:19Alice Levine?

  She snatches up the receiver. Yes?

• 19:23Speaker 06

  Mr. Hurd would like to see.

• 19:26Alice Levine?

  She stands for a moment, tries to catch her breath, then grabs her coat and rushes out.

• 19:34Alice Levine?

  Forty minutes later, she walks through the grey concrete entrance of the Home Office headquarters, feels a knot form in the pit of her stomach as an official leads her along a corridor to Herd's office. She goes over the arguments in her head. The four were convicted on the basis of their confessions only. All four retracted them as soon as they got lawyers. A police review isn't enough. They need an appeal. She steps inside and stops. Herd's face is grey, covered with a sickly sheen. He looks like he hasn't slept.

• 20:11Alice Levine?

  Which is a great way to lead the country.

• 20:13Matt Forde?

  And it explains a lot of the decisions they took at the time.

• 20:19Alice Levine?

  Herd is standing behind his desk, his hands gripping the back of his chair.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  The Prime Minister has now read the findings on the police report.

• 20:28Alice Levine?

  Gareth waits.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  She feels that granting an appeal would severely damage the reputation not only of the state, but of individuals in the judiciary.

• 20:40Alice Levine?

  She feels her heart sink. An appeal is the only way the four will ever be released. Mr. Herd, in the interests of justice... He talks over her.

• 20:51Speaker 02

  Not to mention the integrity of the police.

• 20:55Alice Levine?

  The police have acted reprehensibly. But again, he cuts in.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  I've reached my conclusion.

• 21:02Alice Levine?

  She watches him look at the floor and mutter out...

• 21:05Speaker 02

  I'm referring the sentences back to the Court of Appeal.

• 21:10Alice Levine?

  She stares. For a moment, she's not sure if she heard right. You're allowing it? He glances up at her.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  I'll be making a statement in the House shortly.

• 21:25Matt Forde?

  It's a big enough decision, anyway, but announcing it on the floor of the House of Commons makes these moments so dramatic.

• 21:30Alice Levine?

  Also, officials fob people off all the time, like, yes, I'm gonna do this, yes, I'm gonna do that. I mean, we've seen it time and time again in scandal with people in power promising big change, but this is the real deal.

• 21:45Alice Levine?

  She takes in a breath, tries to let it sink in. Two years she's been fighting for this moment. Two years of prison visits, unanswered letters, ignored phone calls, trawling through forensic evidence. And now, finally, the door is open. She reaches across and shakes his hand. She can't wait to get to those police files. She's going to go through every last detail in every last document, build up a foolproof case, and show the world, once and for all, that the Guildford Four are the victims of the biggest miscarriage of justice this country has ever seen.

• 22:35Alice Levine?

  September 1989, Ginsu Beach, Portugal.

• 22:40Alice Levine?

  Forty-six-year-old barrister Roy Amlet shifts his weight in the footstraps on the windsurfboard, checks the sideshore winds, then turns his sail to head along the coast. He squints out at the bright, blue-green expanse, lets his neck muscles relax. He's on the last day of his holiday, no courtrooms, no terrorist cases, and he wants to make the most of it. He tilts the sail forward, watches the distant waves rising then disappearing. He's been working long hours recently. In the past few years, he's had to prosecute several high-profile terrorist cases, including the Brighton Hotel bombing, when the IRA tried to assassinate Margaret Thatcher and members of her party.

• 23:25Alice Levine?

  This week, though, all he wants to do is windsurf, listen to music, and totally switch off.

• 23:32Matt Forde?

  Roy sounds like a big deal in the law world. It sounds like he's dealing with some of the biggest legal cases in the country.

• 23:38Alice Levine?

  Oh, yeah, they pull out the big guns when they call Roy. He's a very well-regarded legal advocate, he's a Treasury Council prosecutor, which are the team that deal with the most serious cases in the land. And he's been involved, like you say, in lots of high-profile cases. The ones mentioned, but also notably, he prosecuted Clive Ponting, the whistleblower in the Belgrano scandal. So he's somebody who gets the call when it's seriously important. An hour later, he makes his way up the beach to the hotel bar, orders a vino verde and picks up an English newspaper. His eyes drift to the television above the bar, where a BBC World News reporter stands dour-faced on a dreary grey beach.

• 24:20Alice Levine?

  Roy reclines in his chair, takes a sip of his chilled wine. But as the camera on screen starts to pan out, he realizes he recognizes that coastline. It's Deal, Kent. He's windsurfed there. He leans forward as the image cuts to an overhead view. He freezes as a collapsed, blackened building comes into focus. Turn that up! The bartender adjusts the volume. The worst terrorist attack on mainland Britain. He watches in horror as men desperately remove bricks and rubble from the site. Eleven musicians have been killed at the Royal Marine School of Music in Deal. Twenty-one more injured.

• 25:04Alice Levine?

  He sees photos of the young soldiers appear on the screen, some just teenagers. The IRA bomb detonated at 8:22 a.m. on... Roy slams his fist on the bar. He's spent his entire career upholding and defending the law, whilst these animals kill innocent men and women in the name of freedom. The only thing that can bring real freedom is the law.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  Mr. Amlet, you have a call.

• 25:32Alice Levine?

  He jolts up, takes in the concierge in her neat, blue uniform, follows her to the desk.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Terribly sorry to cut in on your holiday, Roy.

• 25:43Alice Levine?

  Roy recognizes the voice of Director of Public Prosecutions, Alan Green.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  We've just got notice of a rather sensitive case. The Home Secretary has approved an appeal for the Guildford Four.

• 25:58Alice Levine?

  Roy goes still. The IRA operatives?

• 26:02Speaker 02

  We need you to lead the prosecution.

• 26:05Alice Levine?

  Roy rubs his head. When?

• 26:08Speaker 02

  Immediately.

• 26:10Alice Levine?

  Roy looks back at the television screen. Ambulances race along the promenade.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  Roy? You there?

• 26:17Alice Levine?

  Roy's been around long enough to know that the police and the courts rarely get it wrong. He's not going to let four convicted terrorists walk, not on his watch. He's going to go through every statement, every last piece of evidence, leave no stone unturned. And if these convictions are solid, he'll defend them.

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• 27:44Alice Levine?

  A few days later, November 1989, Old Bailey, London. Roy Amlet thuds the heavy bundle of files on his thick oak desk, grabs some scissors, and cuts the string holding the files marked Guildford Four. He swipes away the morning papers, tries to ignore the headlines. Archbishop of Westminster Demands Justice for Guildford Four. Surrey Police Under the Microscope. He's been taken aback by the level of interest, but he's not going to be swayed by headlines. He's going to drill down through the evidence. He's determined to focus on the facts and the facts alone, then smash the Guildford Four's defence to pieces.

• 28:27Alice Levine?

  He starts going through the police custody records. Arrest times, interview notes, legal advice given. Then he stops. Some of the times have been crossed out, and others written underneath. He squints at the page. He snatches up the interview notes, feels his brow furrow at the jumble of different sets of handwriting. He starts to count: nine, ten, eleven different sets of handwriting on a single interview sheet. He stares at it.

• 29:02Matt Forde?

  Eleven. There's no way there were eleven people in that room. So that in itself tells you how brave they were in terms of altering things after interviews had taken place.

• 29:11Alice Levine?

  Yes, how untouchable must you think you are to not even try and conceal the doctoring of these documents? You wouldn't even try and, after the fact, write it all out from scratch. You're like, it doesn't matter. Who's going to catch us?

• 29:25Matt Forde?

  And it would look chaotic. I mean, eleven different sets of handwriting. It would look like graffiti. It'd be a mess.

• 29:30Alice Levine?

  And I think that's a real crime. Have some pride in your work. He reaches for another file. It's Gerry Conlon's confession. For a few moments, he can't quite grasp what he's looking at. The statement is covered in crossings out, other parts added in different ink, whole sentences are removed. Something else catches his eye. He holds the document close. The page is stained with dark droplets. His chest tightens. It looks like dried blood. He rummages through the files, hunts for the arrest photos. His eyes widen. Gerry Conlon has cuts on his face. Paul Hill, dark bruising.

• 30:13Alice Levine?

  The others have more injuries. He squints down at a note attached to Conlon's file. Gerry had asked for medical treatment, but his eyes fall on a note attached to another file, not to be shown to the prosecution. Roy grabs it and pulls it free. It's a statement written by a man called Charles Burke. It details how he was known as Paul the Greengrocer and lived in Hope Hostel in Kilburn, and how on the night of the Guildford bombing, the 5th of October 1974, he spent the entire evening with Gerry Conlon. Roy lets the paper fall from his hands. Oh my god.

• 30:57Alice Levine?

  All this time, Gerry Conlon had an alibi. He feels sick to his stomach. In all his years at the bar, he's never seen anything like this. His hands are shaking, and he can't calm his ragged breath. In a few weeks' time, he'll be expected to stand before a judge and defend the Crown. But he already knows, he can't do that now. Roy can't understand how this ever got to trial in the first place, and he certainly can't understand why the first appeal was rejected. But one thing is for certain: the police need to be held accountable for this outrageous miscarriage of justice.

• 31:40Alice Levine?

  He sits for a long time, staring at the documents spread across his desk. The doctored reports, the amended confessions, the alibi that was never meant to be found. He's spent his whole career believing in the system, believing in the police, and now he has to decide whether that belief is worth more than what's lying in front of him. 19th of October 1989, London. Gareth tips back her head, curses at the ceiling, then bangs her hand on the fax machine. Since Heard allowed the appeal, she's been making almost daily visits to Bristol, where Surrey Police's records are kept on the case.

• 32:25Alice Levine?

  But she's had to sift through the 29,000 documents, and she hasn't had enough time to get through it all. Right now, she needs to make sure her QC, Michael Mansfield, has enough to prove the four's innocence before the hearing. But the fax machine keeps jamming, and her desk phone won't stop ringing. She marches over, snatches up the receiver, hears Michael's voice on the other end of the line. Gareth? She cuts in. I'm trying, Michael, but this bloody machine... Forget the fax. We've been called into court. She gasps. Court, today? I'm meant to be visiting Gerry. Gerry's already in the police van on his way. Meet me there.

• 33:09Alice Levine?

  She stares at the receiver, then snatches up her briefcase. Half an hour later, Gareth pushes her way through the crowd of journalists outside the Old Bailey.

• 33:21Matt Forde?

  Why have you been called in, Mrs Pearce? Is the appeal still going ahead, Gareth? Getting yelled at is such a big part of our democracy in this country. It's journalists outside courtrooms, it's ministers on Downing Street. You're going to resign, minister? Is it time to go, Prime Minister? Mum, it's the last time you cried, Prime Minister.

• 33:43Alice Levine?

  She makes her way to the oak-paneled courtroom in the Old Bailey, slips into a seat next to Chris Mullin, and glances up at the public gallery. It's packed with journalists, families and supporters of the four. Then she sees Gerry's mother and his sisters take their seats. Gareth whispers to Michael Mansfield. What's happening? She watches him shift his huge frame, raise his eyebrows. She looks up at the dock, catches Gerry's eye. He's with Paul, Paddy and Carol, and they're all holding a single carnation. She takes in Gerry's pale blue shirt, his ruffled hair. After 15 years in prison, he finally looks like a man with hope.

• 34:27Alice Levine?

  She just prays this hearing won't crush it. Her eyes snap to the front of the courtroom as the prosecuting barrister, Roy Amlett QC, gets to his feet. She braces herself. She knows how formidable Amlett is. But then she notices, his hands are trembling. She watches him walk into the centre of the room. He pauses for a moment, and then announces.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  I do not seek to uphold the convictions of the four defendants.

• 34:59Alice Levine?

  Gareth's mouth falls open. She takes in the growing muttering around her as Amlett swallows hard.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  It is my firm belief that during the trial in 1974 of the four accused, officers from Surrey Police deliberately misled the court.

• 35:19Alice Levine?

  Gareth reels back.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  The evidence against the four defendants depended entirely on their confessions. There was no other evidence.

• 35:30Alice Levine?

  He turns to the judge.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  Your Honour, I believe the officers concocted that evidence. Altered police records, fabricated interviews.

• 35:41Alice Levine?

  The courtroom erupts. Michael turns to look at Gareth. He looks as bewildered as she does. She stares at Amlett as he holds a manila file above his head.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  The material in this police file has not only thrown doubt on the guilt of the four defendants, it has thrown doubt upon the honesty and integrity of the investigating officers in Surrey Police.

• 36:09Alice Levine?

  Gareth's heart pounds in her ears as Amlett lays out what he's found. She watches him pause for breath. The courtroom hushes to pin-drop silence. When he speaks, his voice catches.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  The shibboleths that have governed my entire working life, that police should be trusted and that the confessions they secure were invariably genuine, those beliefs I realise now were bogus.

• 36:43Matt Forde?

  Well, this is it. This goes way beyond this case. He believes that the system works, that people are good people and they operate well, and that's why we get good outcomes. This is shaking his confidence, not just in the police officers who conducted those interviews and concocted that evidence, but in the entire British justice system.

• 37:00Alice Levine?

  And his role within it. You must go back over the years of practising and the cases that you've done and said, okay, I obviously would have done my due diligence, I obviously would have done my job in an honest and true fashion, but do I hold a bias? Have I overlooked instances of potential corruption or malpractice because I believed so strongly in these institutions?

• 37:26Matt Forde?

  And you'd have asserted it so confidently. You'd feel like the system had made a complete fool out of you.

• 37:33Alice Levine?

  Gareth blinks around at the uproar in the court. She's aware of noise, of people on their feet, of someone grabbing her arm, but she can't quite locate herself in the room. She's been saying this for years, filing it, arguing it, losing sleep over it, and now a QC for the Crown is standing in the Old Bailey and saying it out loud. Mixed in with the eruptions around the courtroom, she hears the words.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  Unsafe and unsatisfactory.

• 38:08Alice Levine?

  She turns to look at the judge, his mouth moving.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  Convictions are quashed.

• 38:15Alice Levine?

  She stands completely still as the room breaks apart around her. She doesn't remember crossing the floor, but suddenly she's there, hugging Gerry, and he's shaking, and she realises she is too. She pulls back, looking at him properly for the first time, takes in the lines on his face, his graying hair. The 21-year-old she's seen in photos has gone. She grits her teeth. There was no apology for taking the last 15 years of this man's life, just quashed. Catching the eye of Rory Amlett as he's walking out of the court, he nods at her,

• 38:57Alice Levine?

  and Gareth realises, this fight isn't over. The Guildford four might be free, but so are the people that put them in prison. And that, she realises, is something she can't live with.

• 39:18Alice Levine?

  A few seconds later, the Old Bailey. Gerry grabs the oak bench in front of him. His throat tightens as he blinks at the chaos. He looks at Gareth in shock, then his mother and sisters in the public gallery. They're all crying. He sways slightly. He's dreamt about this moment, but now it seems unreal. He turns to the other three, but he doesn't know what to say. Then he notices Paul's wearing the same clothes he was arrested in back in 1974. His flares and three-inch platforms. Fuck me, Paul. Did your lawyer not bring your clothes? You look like Elton John.

• 40:01Alice Levine?

  There is something incredibly poignant and sad about that. The clothes that you wore 15 years ago, so much time has passed. So much has changed in the culture and in society, and you are in this time warp.

• 40:16Matt Forde?

  On the plus side, that have just come back into fashion.

• 40:19Alice Levine?

  So true, as is the cyclical nature of trends.

• 40:22Matt Forde?

  There was no such thing as fast fashion back then, so these clothes are built to last. If they were Marks and Spencer's, they're probably still wearing them now.

• 40:30Alice Levine?

  He watches Paul start to laugh and then cry. Gerry puts his arm around him. He can hardly believe it's over. He was only 21 when he was last in this courtroom, so young and naive. Carol was only 17. Now they all look worn, cynical and exhausted. He feels his heart grip with anger at the decades they've all lost. A prison officer puts his hand on Gerry's shoulder. We'll get you out the back door, away from the press.

• 41:04Matt Forde?

  They've all changed their tunes now, the guards, haven't they? They're being nice to them.

• 41:09Alice Levine?

  Gerry starts to automatically follow him, but then he stops. His father's voice suddenly rings in his ears. When the time comes, you walk out, head held high. Gerry thumbs the crucifix around his neck, tips his chin at the guard. No, no, no, the front door. The officer looks at him confused. Gerry eyeballs him. I'm not going back to the cells. I'm a free man. Take me to the front door, now. The officer hesitates, then shrugs. This way. Gerry follows him along a narrow corridor. His body starts to flood with panic that he's being led into a trap

• 41:54Alice Levine?

  and that he's going to take another beating for this.

• 41:57Speaker 06

  Gerry!

• 41:58Alice Levine?

  He spins, sees his sisters Bridie and Anne with his mother running towards him. He rushes into their arms, feels himself collapse as his body dissolves into heaving sobs. For the first time in 15 years, he can hold his family, and he doesn't want to let go. He takes a deep breath as his sisters hook their arms under his and squints against the sunlight as the front door opens. A roar of cheering and clapping hits him.

• 42:31Matt Forde?

  We shouldn't be fooled by this jubilation. The wider troubles aren't over. This is just Gerry's supporters being delighted that a miscarriage of justice has finally been recognised and overturned. Sadly, at this point, there's still a bit of a way to go to ending the troubles.

• 42:44Alice Levine?

  It's only two weeks prior to this that the bomb goes off in Deal, so the atmosphere is still febrile, and these are all supporters of Gerry and co. This is very much a kind of isolated crowd. He zigzags up and down the street, waving at the crowd, shaking hands. How does it feel to be free, Gerry? He stops in front of a reporter, sees a bank of cameras and microphones pointed at him. Here's the crowd, quieter. He doesn't know what to say. It's too big a question. Then he feels a sudden rush of adrenaline as he speaks. I've been in prison for 15 years for something I didn't do,

• 43:28Alice Levine?

  something I didn't know anything about. I'm a totally innocent man. I watched my father die in a British prison for something he didn't do. He feels his jaw harden. He is innocent. The Maguires are innocent. The Birmingham Six are innocent. Let's hope they are the next to be freed. He raises his fist as the crowd cheers. Someone behind him shouts out. Sack the judges! He grins, follows his sisters to a waiting car as the journalists yell at him. Who do you think should be held responsible, Gerry? Are you upset he didn't get a full hearing today?

• 44:12Alice Levine?

  Are you concerned it might be a cover-up? He jumps into the waiting car next to his mum, lets the reporter's questions wash over him. Gerry looks out of the car window. He's lost so many precious years. He knows he can't go back to his 21-year-old self, but he can go home, back to Belfast. He's going to get a steady job, maybe even a family of his own, and finally start to live his life. A few days later, Belfast.

• 44:56Alice Levine?

  Gerry lies in his bed, flicks ash from his cigarette into the ashtray on his chest, takes in the waft of bacon frying downstairs. He listens to the comforting sound of his mother moving around the kitchen. He really wants to go and see her, but for some reason, he can't move. He looks at his bedroom door, feels his heart thud as he realises he can't get used to opening his own door. He takes a deep breath, plants his feet on the soft carpet. He walks over and opens it slowly, waits for a screw to smack him across the head, drag him into solitary, but there's just silence.

• 45:37Alice Levine?

  All he can hear is his own heartbeat.

• 45:43Matt Forde?

  This must be one of the hardest things to get used to. There is a particular regime in prison, and obviously become institutionalised. Even in just workplaces, you get used to certain habits. All of a sudden, just being at home, when you don't have to come out and stand in front of your cell and you're restricted in that way. I can't imagine how hard it is to adjust to real life.

• 46:01Alice Levine?

  You're constantly looking over your shoulder, such a violent place, particularly for somebody like Gerry, that it must just take years and years and years for your central nervous system to sort of reset and think, maybe potentially, I'm safe for a bit?

• 46:16Matt Forde?

  Maybe you need like a transition period where you just say to your mum, "Look, could you just threaten to beat me up once a week? Because it's too hard, an adjustment to go from beatings every day to no beatings. If you could just behave with an air of menace, maybe withhold part of my lunch, and then I can sort of increase the dose of freedom as the days go by."

• 46:35Alice Levine?

  So bleak. A few minutes later, he pads into the kitchen, still shaking. Morning, love. You hungry? He looks at his mother, takes in her grey hair, then sits at the table as she dishes up bacon and eggs. He's imagined this moment so many times, but this place doesn't feel like home anymore, especially without his dad here. He can't get used to the changes, people's clothes, the cars in the street, the new technology. It all feels alien. 15 years ago, he knew who he was, where he fitted in. Now, he hasn't got a clue.

• 47:18Alice Levine?

  And we must continue our battle for security in Northern Ireland. He jumps up, hears himself mutter. I'm not listening to that woman. He kills the TV, but as soon as he does, the telephone starts ringing. He slumps in a chair. He wishes he'd just be left alone. He knows it'll be some journalist wanting a quote to help sell their paper. He watches his mum answer, then slam the phone down. Why can't they just leave you alone? This time, he picks it up. Gerry, I'm calling from The Guardian. I want to know if you have any comment on the police who set you up? Gerry sets his jaw.

• 48:01Alice Levine?

  I'm not speaking to nobody. Do you think they should be arrested? He puts the phone down, heads back to his breakfast, but he's shaking. His mind is on the officers who dragged him into police cells back in 74, punched him, put out cigarettes on his neck, threatened his family, put a gun to his head and pretended to execute him. He wipes his face. He's sweating, trembling. His chest burns with tightness, but all he can feel is rage. He pushes away the plate. All he wants to do is curl into a ball and disappear.

• 48:43Alice Levine?

  But as he looks up, he spots an old, familiar photo of his dad hanging on the wall. A photo he hasn't seen in 15 years. He pads over and gently takes it down. His dad's young, perhaps his age now, and he has a big grin on his face. He blinks back tears as he realises he can't just start again, not without putting things right for him, for his dad, for all the Irish wrongly imprisoned by the British. He needs to hold the police to account for everything they've done to him and to other innocent people like him.

• 49:26Alice Levine?

  So he's going to fight, and he isn't going to stop until every single one of them is finally brought to justice.

• 49:42Speaker 05

  By 1779, Benedict Arnold had sacrificed more for the revolution than almost any other man in America. One of George Washington's most effective commanders, he had nearly lost a leg in the Second Battle of Saratoga. But in return, Arnold believed he had been humiliated by Congress and cheated of his glory by lesser men. So he decided to make them pay. Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of the podcast American Scandal. We bring to life some of the biggest controversies in US history: presidential lies, environmental disasters, corporate fraud. In our latest series, Benedict Arnold turns his back on his comrades in the Continental Army and secretly defects to the British. With the help of his wife,

• 50:23Speaker 05

  he plots to hand over the most important colonial fortress to the enemy and doom the revolution he once served. Follow American Scandal wherever you get your podcasts. Audible subscribers can binge all episodes of American Scandal early and ad-free right now. Join Audible in the Audible app or by subscribing on Apple Podcasts.

• 50:43Speaker 07

  Ghosts aren't real. At least, that's what journalist Tristan Redmond always believed. Sure, odd things happen in his childhood bedroom, but ultimately, he shrugged them off. Until he discovered that he wasn't alone, that everyone who lived thereafter him also had bizarre experiences they couldn't explain. And it gets even weirder. It just so happens that his wife's great-grandmother was murdered in the house next door. Is this ghost somehow connected to her murder? He decides to go where no son-in-law should, digging up a cold case and asking questions that nobody wants answered. Like, could his wife's great-grandfather have gotten away with the perfect crime? This is a podcast about family secrets, overwhelming

• 51:25Speaker 07

  coincidence, and the things that come back to haunt us. For the best bingeable series like Ghost Story, listen to the Audible True Crime Podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Audible subscribers can get all episodes early and ad-free right now. Join Audible in the Audible app or by subscribing on Apple Podcasts.

• 51:50Alice Levine?

  Twelve years later, 2001, Belfast. Jerry sits in the back of the taxi, checks his watch. He's on his way to Glasgow Airport, and he can't miss his flight. He looks out of the window as the taxi weaves through the busy traffic. Belfast has changed beyond recognition, and so has he. It's 12 years now since he walked out of the Old Bailey a free man. Ten since Paddy Hill and the other members of the Birmingham Six were released. Since then, he's spent much of that time campaigning to free other innocent prisoners around the world. Today, he's flying to speak at the opening of Paddy's new charity,

• 52:32Alice Levine?

  the Miscarriages of Justice Organisation. But first, he needs to visit someone. He checks his watch again, then scans the high street, searching for the shop, leans forward and tells the driver, "Pull in here. I'll be two minutes."

• 52:52Alice Levine?

  He jumps out of the car, marches into the florist. The sweet scent hits him. He gazes around, takes in the different flowers and plants, the vivid colours. He's spent so much of his life not being able to make day-to-day choices, where he went, what he ate, when he slept, that now, when he needs to, it's almost overwhelming. He blinks at the woman behind the counter, then chooses a bunch of sweet-smelling lilies.

• 53:24Alice Levine?

  Twenty minutes later, Jerry walks through Milltown Cemetery and stops when he sees it. He kneels in front of the black marble headstone, lets his fingers trace the name: Giuseppe Conlon. He carefully fixes the lilies in the urn. For a moment, he says nothing. Then starts telling his dad how he's just got back from Australia, how he was giving talks on Aboriginal deaths in custody. He lets himself snort out an ironic laugh. "You think the Irish have it bad?"

• 54:00Alice Levine?

  He lets his eyes wander over the grey hills, then looks back at his father's grave, tells him proudly, "They made a film about me, Dad. They had Daniel Day-Lewis playing me."

• 54:14Matt Forde?

  That is cool. I mean, of all the people you'd want to play you, Daniel Day-Lewis would be right up there.

• 54:20Alice Levine?

  Famously, the best actor, the number-one actor.

• 54:23Matt Forde?

  Because it's often a chap who's, "Who would you have play you in the story of your life?" You can say, "It's happened, mate. Daniel Day-Lewis, beat that."

• 54:30Alice Levine?

  Because having a film made about your life, full stop, is fairly cool, fairly impressive. But with the wrong casting, you'd be devastated, wouldn't you?

• 54:39Matt Forde?

  Can you imagine? Joe Pasquale played me.

• 54:44Alice Levine?

  In his only film role.

• 54:45Matt Forde?

  And they really went in a different direction with it.

• 54:50Alice Levine?

  Jerry laughs. "But he's not good-looking enough." He takes in a gentle breeze, then looks back at the grave. "You watch me, Dad. I've just gotten started with all this." He takes a deep breath. "I only ever wanted to make you proud of me. I hope I'm getting there." He listens to the birdsong, feels a sudden sense of calm as he resolves. He's never going to get those years he spent in prison back, but he's going to make sure other people don't lose theirs. He's going to keep going, fight to free innocent people everywhere,

• 55:30Alice Levine?

  no matter where in the world they are, whatever it takes. And he's never, ever going to stop.

• 55:52Alice Levine?

  Jerry Conlon struggled with addiction and PTSD following his release. He spent most of the rest of his life campaigning to free innocent people from jails around the world. His autobiography became the basis for the film In the Name of the Father. It was released in 1993 and brought him global fame. In 2005, Prime Minister Tony Blair issued a formal apology to the Guildford Four and the Maguire Seven. Jerry died nine years later in Belfast in June 2014, aged 60. Paul Hill went on to marry Courtney Kennedy, niece of assassinated President John F. Kennedy. He now lives in Washington DC. Paddy Armstrong lives in Dublin

• 56:35Alice Levine?

  with his wife and children. Carol Richardson shunned all publicity on her release. She died in 2012, aged 55. The Guildford case had a profound effect on Roy Amlett QC, who shifted from being a prominent Treasury Council prosecutor to defence work after the appeal hearing. Detective Chief Superintendent Walter Simmons was never charged with any wrongdoing. The three Surrey detectives Vernon Atwell, John Donaldson, and Thomas Stile were charged with conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. They went to trial at the Old Bailey in May 1993. All three were acquitted. Gareth Pearce went on to represent

• 57:17Alice Levine?

  the Birmingham Six in 1991 and became a high-profile human rights activist, also representing Julian Assange, Moazam Beg, an inmate of Guantanamo Bay, and the family of Jean Charles de Menezes. She remained close to Jerry Conlon, and upon his death in 2014, the family chose to release the statement through her.

• 57:47Alice Levine?

  You've been listening to British Scandal, an Audible original. Produced by Audible with Sammurdat Audio.

• 57:53Matt Forde?

  A quick note about our dialogue. In most cases, we can't know exactly what was said, but all our dramatizations are based on historical research.

• 58:01Alice Levine?

  If you'd like to know more about this story, you can read In the Name of the Father by Jerry Conlon, Life After Life by Paddy Armstrong, and In the Name of the Son: The Jerry Conlon Story by Richard O'Rourke. British Scandal is hosted by me, Alice Levine.

• 58:15Matt Forde?

  And me, Matt Ford.

• 58:16Alice Levine?

  Written by Karen Laws. The story editor was James Maniac. The senior producer was Chica Ayers. The assistant producer was Louise Mason. The production manager was Louis Blatherwick. Recorded by Jai Williams. Sound design by Rich Evans. The executive producers for Sammurdat were Joe Sykes and Dasha Lisatsina. Executive producers for Audible were Theodora Leludis and Estelle Doyle.

• 58:50Speaker 07

  On January 24, 2023, in Duxbury, Massachusetts, Patrick Clancy called 911. He had found his wife Lindsey badly injured and his three children dead and dying. What followed would become one of the most searing and complicated cases in recent memory, raising hard questions about motherhood, mental illness, and how far our justice system will go to understand what really happened. I'm Candace DeLong, host of the podcast Killer Psyche. In our latest episode, we take you inside the case of Lindsey Clancy, the postpartum psychosis defence, the courtroom battle, and the trial that just ended in a stunning mistrial. Follow

• 59:34Speaker 07

  Killer Psyche wherever you get your podcasts. Audible subscribers can listen to all episodes of Killer Psyche one week early and ad-free right now. Join Audible in the Audible app or by subscribing on Apple Podcasts. Journalist Tristan Redmond goes where no son-in-law should ever go. Deep into his wife's family history, digging up the cold case of who murdered her great-grandmother. Because, I should mention, he thinks the murderer might actually be the beloved family patriarch. For the best bingeable series like Ghost Story, listen to the Audible True Crime Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.