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Lizzo

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Hosted by Dax Shepard

2h 32m
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Summary

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Dax Shepard and Monica Padman chat with the four-time Grammy Award-winning artist Lizzo about her Detroit roots, her early aspirations, and her path through music and books. They explore her memories of Belle Isle, urban legends, and her time in Minneapolis where she built her early career. The conversation touches on her children's book, Little Lizzo Meets Sasha B. Flutin, and the importance of self-love and mental health.

The guest and host discuss the realities of sudden fame, the physical and emotional toll of intensive touring, and the journey from feeling completely unseen to finding her voice. Lizzo reflects on her classical flute background, the impact of her father, and how she navigated low points by anchoring herself in who she truly is rather than what she does.

  • You can disarm bullies and urban legends by leaning into the absurdity or taking the power away from hurtful words. 58:05
  • A supportive local arts community can provide a crucial safe haven for an artist trying out eclectic styles. 48:49
  • Identifying with who you are rather than what you do can help protect you when public perception shifts. 1:25:31
  • Taking deep breaths and slowing down can help ground both children and adults during overwhelming moments. 1:32:46
  • Releasing your inhibitions through community and music allows for an uninhibited form of creative expression. 18:26

Chapters

  1. 0:00
  2. 4:00
    Transition to Main Conversation

    The hosts shift from sponsor ads to the main interview, setting the stage for a deeper discussion about Lizzo’s career and personal life.

  3. 33:00
    Detroit Memories and Cultural Roots

    The conversation turns to the hosts’ shared upbringing in Detroit, recalling family reunions, Belle Isle, and the cultural significance of the city’s East Side.

  4. 44:26
    Intro and Ad Read

    The episode opens with a brief introduction and a sponsor ad before diving into the conversation.

  5. 45:04
    Balancing School and Music

    The guest reflects on juggling academic obligations with early-morning rehearsals and the frustration of that dual life.

  6. 47:18
    Minneapolis Relocation Story

    The guest recounts how a chance encounter and a music festival led to a move to Minneapolis and the supportive local scene.

  7. 50:53
    Early Career and Prince Collaboration

    The guest details how a documentary feature and a radio station connection opened the door to working with Prince.

  8. 54:00
    Relocation to Houston and Cultural Shock

    The hosts discuss their move to Houston, the differences between Detroit and Houston culture, and the impact on their personal identities.

  9. 1:01:03
    Self‑Love Journey and Twitch Class

    The guest shares how heartbreak and self‑care practices evolved into a self‑love class taught on Twitch.

  10. 1:12:00
    High School Experiences and Bullying

    They recount high school life, including bullying, body image struggles, and the challenges of fitting in while maintaining their individuality.

  11. 1:28:00
    Therapy Insights on Inner Child

    The speaker reflects on how therapy revealed that their inner child had been controlling their actions, leading to a protective stance toward themselves.

  12. 1:28:55
    Introducing Little Lizzo Book

    The conversation shifts to discussing the creation and description of a children's book featuring Little Lizzo and Sasha B. Fluton, highlighting its emotional impact.

  13. 1:30:08
    Music and Storytelling Parallel

    The speaker draws a parallel between the book’s narrative and their own musical journey, emphasizing how different listeners react to the same song.

  14. 1:33:09
    Palm Springs Pool Incident

    A tense encounter at a hotel pool in Palm Springs unfolds, with guests confronting an aggressive man and debating how to handle the situation.

  15. 1:35:00
    Profanity and Children Debate

    The speakers discuss the inevitability of profanity exposure for kids and the idea of disarming harmful words to protect younger listeners.

  16. 1:36:00
    Music Journey and College Decisions

    The hosts talk about their musical passions—flute, rap, and the decision to attend or leave the University of Houston for music.

  17. 1:54:44
    Hotel Email Confrontation

    The group debates whether to send a formal email to the hotel management after the pool incident, weighing the impact on future stays.

  18. 1:58:31
    Second Day Conflict at Hotel

    A follow‑up confrontation occurs the next day, with the same aggressive individual causing further tension among the guests.

  19. 1:59:37
    Restaurant Encounter in LA

    The speaker recounts a humorous and slightly awkward interaction at a Los Angeles restaurant, where a VIP guest engages with patrons and the host’s bandana moment.

Highlights

  • 4:29

    Childhood Memories in Detroitstory

    The guest shares vivid childhood memories of growing up on the East side of Detroit, playing on Belle Isle, and connecting with a local willow tree.

  • 8:33

    Debunking Urban Legendsinsight

    The host and guest discuss classic urban legends from their youth, examining how these stories circulated before the era of social media.

  • 18:48

    The Power of Church Musicinsight

    The guest explains how growing up singing in church helped her learn to release inhibitions and bring uninhibited expression to secular stages.

  • 32:44

    Surviving Middle School Bullyingstory

    The guest opens up about the challenges of middle school, dealing with weight-related teasing, and using a fantasy world to cope with harsh environments.

  • 41:50

    The Universal Appeal of Wish Fulfillmentinsight

    The host analyzes why stories like Harry Potter resonate so deeply, pointing out that everyone shares a secret desire to be seen as special.

  • 48:02

    Discovering the Minneapolis Scenestory

    The guest explains how she ended up moving to Minneapolis after meeting local musicians at South by Southwest and finding a deeply supportive community.

  • 1:16:52

    The Reality of Sudden Successinsight

    The guest reflects on the massive high of touring and performing for thousands of people, followed by the intense chemical and physical comedown.

Quotes

  • “A mononym? That would make sense. Today's mononym is Lizzo, a four-time Grammy Award-winning, Emmy Award-winning superstar singer-songwriter rapper and actor.”
    Dax Shepard · 0:16
  • “I felt like I was getting pulled, and I was really, really stressed out about it.”
    Unnamed speaker · 46:01
  • “I was like, I'm waking up, and I'm doing music, this is the thing, I'm an independent woman.”
    Unnamed speaker · 45:19
  • “I was like, oh, my God, it's okay to be weird. I would say that all the time.”
    Unnamed speaker · 55:19
  • “my inner child had been leading the show the whole time.”
    Unnamed speaker · 1:28:17
  • “the way you surmised it with going to the space and the sea and the jungle, and like, you tried to play those sounds, but those sounds were not you.”
    Unnamed speaker · 1:30:12
  • Quince 0:53–2:50
  • Allstate 28:19–32:44
  • Peloton 1:04:19–1:05:01
  • BetterHelp 1:05:08–1:06:32
  • Lilly 1:06:41–1:07:06
  • Squarespace 1:08:04–1:09:15

About this episode

Lizzo (Lil Lizzo Meets Sasha B. Flootin', Cuz I Love You, Special) is a Grammy and Emmy Award-winning musician and performer. Lizzo joins Armchair Expert to discuss growing up in a Detroit church where her uncle preached and her cousins made up the choir, being mocked in Houston for “talking white” and liking anime, and losing her father at 19 who told her she could become the next great flute player. Lizzo and Dax talk about being in a dozen Minneapolis bands at once, stripping down during the interview that sparked My Skin, and watching “Truth Hurts” become a hit years after she had already given up on it. Lizzo explains why Whitney Houston “brought the church to the club,” why fame makes people afraid the other shoe will eventually drop, and how turning insults back on bullies became a kind of emotional judo. Thank you to our presenting partner Lilly. Lilly’s Foundayo™(orforglipron). Advertisement Disclaimer: Please see Indications and Safety Summary with Warnings for Foundayo™(orforglipron) at https://www.foundayo.lilly.com/risk Start your 2 month free trial today: https://youtube.com/premium . Terms Apply. Cancel Anytime. Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://www.allstate.com/ Take printer ink off your to-do list with HP Smart Tank | http://www.hp.com/SmartTank See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Transcript

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Speaker names marked are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

Topics

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