Kim Petras: The Throat Goat (FBF)

Kim Petras joins Call Her Daddy for a completely unfiltered interview. Kim speaks about her career's evolution, starting from her wild days in the gay clubs to her recent Grammy win. She reflects on how music became an outlet for her and shares her experiences navigating her identity as a transgender artist. Kim opens up about her dating life and the two burst into laughter when they realize they have the same celebrity crush. They don’t hold back at all and discuss butt dialing your parents during sex, throwing up while giving head, hooking up on the first date and car sex. Finally Kim shares how she has earned the title of throat goat.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 1:28Alex Cooper?

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• 3:14Alex Cooper?

  What is up Daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

• 3:23Alex Cooper?

  Kim Petras, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  Yay, hi, thanks for having me.

• 3:27Alex Cooper?

  I am so happy you came in your sparkle clogs.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Hell yeah.

• 3:31Alex Cooper?

  You showed up.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  Bust them out.

• 3:32Alex Cooper?

  How did you pick your outfit today?

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Um, just kinda, I went off the clogs. They really dictated everything else. I don't know, just kinda felt like witchy. I've been in my witchy vibe.

• 3:44Alex Cooper?

  You need to confirm for everyone, though, are they comfortable?

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, they're comfortable. Like, I would say like, like pool slide vibes.

• 3:52Alex Cooper?

  Pool slide.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Just a little heavier.

• 3:53Alex Cooper?

  But you're not going to like run in those?

• 3:55Speaker 01

  No, even though I probably could and should.

• 4:00Alex Cooper?

  I just have to say, I'm so happy for you. You are

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 4:04Alex Cooper?

  everywhere right now in the best way. Your music, your personality, like everything you're doing is just fucking incredible.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Oh my god, thank you so, so much.

• 4:13Alex Cooper?

  You won a Grammy. Hi. Like, no big fucking deal. How did it feel to win a Grammy and how did you celebrate?

• 4:21Speaker 01

  Um, it, it felt insane. It felt like something that just shouldn't happen to me. Honestly, uh, you know, I'm, I'm such a like, you know, I've just been performing in like gay clubs for so long and been like in that scene and like Sam really changed my life with that song and, um, I mean, I, I went to Diplo's party after, so that was really, really fun. Diplo's fun. I'm a big fan. Um, and, and yeah, I just like saw my friends and we were all just like in disbelief, just like, oh my god, this really just happened. I'm so grateful. I got to like shout out Sophie on, on stage and that I remembered that too. Um, uh, because like I could have just blacked out.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  And like I thanked my mom and, uh, so it was just like such a like big moment that I didn't think would happen. Ever since then, it's just been like a lot less sleep. Like it's definitely like post Grammy, like it's just like kept going and kept getting more and more and more, but I like it. So it's cool.

• 5:20Alex Cooper?

  Dude, that is so crazy to think about going on stage and accepting a Grammy and just being like, I hope I can get my words out.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  I know.

• 5:27Alex Cooper?

  Like I hope I say one thing that like, did you have a full speech planned or no?

• 5:31Speaker 01

  I did, but I like five minutes before like our category was on, I just like put it away and I was like, just speak from like this moment and from your heart and, uh, yeah, because Sam really put me in spot. Sam was like, I'm gonna have you accept the Grammy if we win it. Uh, just because I've done it and like blah, blah, blah. But I'm like, please, no, don't do that to me. Like I was like, please. Um, but I'm so grateful now that I like did it and like, I'm such a shy and nervous person in my life, which you wouldn't think for my music, because my music is kind of where I live out by craziest ideas and fantasies. Uh, but I'm a pretty shy person and, um, so yeah, that, that was wild. And I remember like looking at like J Lo's And like Jay-Z sitting there and just being like, I can't believe this.

• 6:15Alex Cooper?

  That's so interesting. I feel like now, having sat down with people in the music industry, like we were talking about Anita.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 6:21Alex Cooper?

  How Anita is the best. Shout out. We love you, Anita.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Shout out.

• 6:24Alex Cooper?

  Um, but Anita also kind of talked to me about that of like, she's actually really shy. And then like she has this alter ego that she infuses into her music and it's just the way that she's able to like, put her, I guess, side like personality that she wants to be into Anita, the character.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:42Alex Cooper?

  Which is kind of cool. Do you feel like that's similar with you?

• 6:45Speaker 01

  One million percent. I feel like that's always just been like my saving grace in life from like my shyness. It's just when I'm on stage, it's like something clicks and I'm a completely different person. And I just feel in line with everything. I don't overthink myself. I feel like confident because like the one thing that I know how to do is perform and write songs. Like that's always been like everything else. I'm like horrible at and just like can't feel like I can't even cook. Like I can't do shit, you know?

• 7:13Alex Cooper?

  I love how you're like, I can't cook, but I just won a fucking Grammy, bitch.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 7:18Alex Cooper?

  It's okay, Kim. It's okay. I think we would all take that over being able to cook.

• 7:38Alex Cooper?

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• 9:47Alex Cooper?

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• 10:28Speaker 01

  Um, no, I was in my school, like, I remember being like such a like freak to everyone because like since I was a kid, it was like very public that I was trans and like I was very open about it. And so I was just kind of this like nerdy weird kid and like no one thought I was like pretty or sexy or anything like that. And so um, I I doubted being able to do that stuff and especially being like in a swimsuit was like I was I definitely had like a nervous breakdown like the day before. I'm like, can I like pose in a swimsuit and be that because I just, yeah, I I didn't think I could. But then there's like amazing people uh and photographers and like the whole Sports Illustrated team who just like hyped me up and we're just like

• 11:11Speaker 01

  you know, making me feel so good about myself that it like all just like happened. Like they really make me feel like I belong on the cover and it makes me wanna cry because like I I I'm su- such a person who just like doesn't think of themselves as like, you know, all that.

• 11:26Alex Cooper?

  When you say that when you were younger that you were like, people never saw me as like sexy and cute. When do you think you started to actually for yourself? Did you always feel sexy and cute? You were like, fuck you guys, like I'm sexy and cute? Or did it come at a certain point?

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Um, I mean, I'm still waiting. Uh, no, I mean, I um, honestly, uh, I think what gave me a lot of, a lot of confidence and what built my confidence was becoming an artist and becoming a writer and going on stages and stuff like that. And once I kind of found my like friends and and gay people in general who like celebrated me for who I am and uh, that whole, you know, I think once I started going to gay clubs, I was like I belong here and I I get the music, I get the people, I get what it's all about. So I think that's when I started to like myself and all of that. But I think in general, like, it's it's never like my goal to be like sexy or to be

• 12:24Speaker 01

  hot. It's always like I wanna bring like a little bit of a like weirdness to things because I've always felt like I was kind of just like on the outside of things. And I find, I I don't know, I find more happiness in looking a little off and a little weirder than just looking hot.

• 12:40Alex Cooper?

  I totally get what you're saying. Sometimes I actually think it's way better to feel like you're a little outside because then you're also just going based off of your own parameters of like, half the time, we're just trying to be like other people. That's so fucking boring. Like, I don't want to be like anyone else. But I also think, I appreciate you saying, like, I'm still working on it. No one even, you can look at Kim online and be like, she's got it all together. She's winning Grammys. She's hanging out with celebrities. It's like, but we're all still working on ourselves in some capacity till the day it's over. So it's like,

• 13:12Speaker 01

  for sure. You have to.

• 13:13Alex Cooper?

  You have to. Wait, and you're from Germany, right?

• 13:16Speaker 01

  I'm from Germany, yeah.

• 13:16Alex Cooper?

  Can you tell me in German, how to say, "Welcome to Call Her Daddy"?

• 13:21Speaker 01

  Uh, willkommen zu, uh, Nenzi Vater.

• 13:25Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  German is the unsexiest language of all time. I feel like that's why. I'm also like, I've, I've just always been like, a little more, uh, the weird German immigrant, you know, in, in America, because like, it's just not a sexy language. I have a song on my Spooky Halloween album where I sing German, and it comes in handy when you want to sound scary.

• 13:46Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Because most people are really scared when I, like, when I yell at you in German, you're scared.

• 13:51Alex Cooper?

  Wait, can you yell at me in German? Like, Alex, fuck off. Get your shit together. Ask me better questions.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Alex, fick dich. Geb mir bessere Fragen. Hallo?

• 14:05Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god.

• 14:06Speaker 01

  Alex, gib mir bessere Fragen. Right? It's scary.

• 14:11Alex Cooper?

  That is scary. But, Kim, I do kind of feel like you made it kind of sexy. Like, I think you have a little, you know, you've got something.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Dankeschön.

• 14:20Alex Cooper?

  Oh, okay. I'm gonna learn how to say all that by the end of this. Okay, so you talk about how you started your career in gay clubs all around the country.

• 14:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:28Alex Cooper?

  Clearly, that was such a huge part of your coming up and in this industry. How did people in the clubs initially treat you? And like, how did they like you and your personality and your vibe and your music?

• 14:40Speaker 01

  I think, um, they just really immediately kind of got it. I mean, I remember like, my first, uh, few years, like, going back and forth from New York and just kind of being a club kid and having my first few songs out and just like, performing on a bar stool or like, a table, you know, like, um, and people were just like...

• 15:02Speaker 01

  I get this and I understand this and just like since I'm a part of the community it's like it it makes sense. But they were the first like all the little Bushwick kids like were the first ones to play my music and I'll never forget that because was like with a lot of like going into like labels and stuff like that it was a lot of um we don't know what your demographic would be and like is it you know you you make gay club music and it was kind of a in a bad way and not in a good way like to them because like that wasn't gonna make as much money. Um and that's always really confusing to me because to me that's like the coolest thing when people play you in gay clubs.

• 15:39Alex Cooper?

  Right, that's literally all you could ask for. Like you want you want all the gays being like fuck yes, this is the boss. Like what the oh wow that did that ever kind of affect you in your musical decisions? Like did you ever find yourself being like should I go a little bit more one way?

• 15:55Speaker 01

  I think if anything it made me double down on it like it it just like whenever someone says that something is like something that I'm passionate about and something that I love I go harder in that is not it I go harder in that direction. And I feel like so that honestly gave me like so much like will to like prove that there's people who will come to my shows and uh that I can have a big song and all of all of that stuff.

• 16:20Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, and we can sell bitch, we won a Grammy.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, we can totally, we won a Grammy, we had a number one.

• 16:26Alex Cooper?

  When you're saying you're in these clubs, do you remember any like early fun stories for us of like memories from performing in these clubs that have stuck with you of like it just iconic moments for yourself in your career?

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Signing dicks um is one of them.

• 16:44Alex Cooper?

  That must be yeah, that's pretty up there, that's pretty good.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  Totally like doing my fans poppers on stage uh hitting weed pens from my signing weed pens. Um yeah, I signed all kinds of body parts, I hung out with the hottest porn stars.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, like it was, it was, it's wild and I, and I love it and I still like every now and then I just like need it. I just need to go to, you know, like a warehouse rave and go crazy and I'll do all that. But, but yeah, those were like iconic moments, I think. Also, Mandalor being at my first gig. Mandalor is this like New York icon, um, and yeah, uh, just so many iconic people that I, that I've met through clubs.

• 17:31Alex Cooper?

  That is so fucking cool to just be like, that's also how your career started of like, basically you're just having fun, partying and you're singing and everyone loves your music and you're just like thriving. But I wonder, do you ever, yeah, I was gonna say, do you miss that? Cause then you're like standing on stage and it's a little bit more formal and there's some more choreography going.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  I do miss it a little bit. I, I miss mostly going to, uh, to clubs undetected. Uh, I can go to straight clubs now undetected, but I can't go to gay clubs anymore without taking many photos. And I, I party, you know, I, I feel like I really love to, you know, just party and not think about how I look. And I, you know, that, that might be not the, you know, I'm like sweaty and red and all the pictures and, uh, so, so that's put a little bit of like pressure on it. Um, but like, I feel like I've, I've figured out my like disguises and stuff like that. And yeah, honestly, like I need like a fake beard and like, I feel like that'd be really good.

• 18:33Alex Cooper?

  Like a little short haircut, crew neck, little wig, maybe like red or maybe that's too much attention. Maybe a black sunglasses, huge mustache.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  Totally a detransition moment.

• 18:48Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I don't like this. Um, do you, I am actually interested to, growing up in Germany, like, what is the difference between nightclubs in Germany versus nightclubs in America?

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Ooh, um, I think it goes way later in Germany. I think people are down to be there until the morning. Uh, which is fun, especially if you like, think about like Berlin and like Burgheim and all that stuff. It's definitely, and there's more techno, there's weirder music in general. It's just like a lot of electro music. I would say house music is huge.

• 19:21Alex Cooper?

  Do you prefer American clubs or German clubs?

• 19:24Speaker 01

  Ooh, they both have their, you know, pros and cons. I, I think.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  In general, like now, like, American clouds because like I need to actually be up the next day and do stuff.

• 19:36Alex Cooper?

  Right, I always, when I was younger, was like, I was liking going out late, but now as I get older, I'm like, why can't we start at five o'clock?

• 19:43Speaker 01

  I know.

• 19:43Alex Cooper?

  Start raging and go to bed by midnight. And like, we can do the same shit, we can drink the same, like, we can do all the same shit.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  I endorse this. I endorse this idea. Like, I love, like, starting early now and just like waking up the next day and not completely fucked.

• 19:57Alex Cooper?

  Completely.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:59Alex Cooper?

  Cause in your next like forty-eight hours, you're just not a human being functioning in the world.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:03Alex Cooper?

  And I can't afford to do that with this career, this life.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  Totally, you can't. And, and me neither. Like, we have to like do shit now.

• 20:10Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, exactly. So, American clubs, just because it's a little bit more responsible in terms of our timing.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:15Alex Cooper?

  If we're trying to have a good time, let's go to Germany.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Definitely. I think people in general just like go a little more crazy there.

• 20:21Alex Cooper?

  Got it. What is your favorite song of yours to hear played in a club?

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Oh, my favorite song of mine to play in a club, uh, Treat Me Like a Slut. Yeah, I, I have this record called Sleppop, which is all just like my sluttiest self and just only saying the most ridiculous sex shit there is, which was so freeing and fun to make. And, um, honestly, like, I feel like all my coolest fans, like, that's their favorite. Um, so yeah, Treat Me Like a Slut.

• 20:53Alex Cooper?

  I love that answer so much. And we're gonna talk about Sleppop in a little bit because it's truly iconic and it's called our daddy. Something very cool about your career is the fact that you are self-made. You have been doing this since you were super young. You were teaching yourself how to write and how to produce in your bedroom. Where do you think that drive came from?

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Honestly, from being excluded from social life. I feel like, uh, no one really got me, you know, in my like small town in Germany because I'm not, I'm not technically from Cologne even, which is already kind of a small city. I was like two hours outside, uh, like countryside, cows, grass. Um, and I just, um, I loved music. That was kind of the one thing that I would, I would always do. Like always listen to music on repeat and pop music in particular. And I would just harmonize and make my own little concepts and things like that. So I think it's just something that comes like natural to me. Um, but then I would just like sit down in my room and just really.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Every single day because I didn't like school. I wasn't very good in school. I wasn't horrible in school, but I was like, okay in school. And I was just like, I'm gonna be the next biggest hit songwriter and that's a skill I can work on every single day and. Uh, yeah, and then I got into writing jingles for like commercials and. Right, trying to write for other artists pitching songs and. Yeah, I really felt like feel like that is just like my. My savior is that I'm able to write music. Yeah.

• 22:23Alex Cooper?

  It's so inspiring to hear you talk, obviously about like. There's a lot of people that can probably relate to you of like. Being really isolated when you're younger, not feeling like you're fitting in. And just like trying to find an escape, which you clearly found the best escape for yourself and it worked out. What would you say to your younger self that like Kim sitting in her room alone, just being like kinda isolated and getting picked on?

• 22:51Speaker 01

  Live a little. I would, I would say that. I was like really like a maniac, just like only working and. I feel like my whole teen years, like I didn't go to like parties. I, I was like, just like. Just fully focused and so I, I would tell myself to live a little and that things are gonna happen when they're supposed to happen. And uh, that, that, that, that it's all gonna, you know, work out and that it's okay to go with your friends. And it's okay to try and have a social life because like the answer isn't always just like. Well, they all hate me, so I just gotta be by my, by myself and like be this like studio goblin. You know, I can actually also just. Yeah, but, but also it was a little bit of a different time. I mean, that was like.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Uh, so long ago now, I, I legitimately didn't know anyone else trans and you know, so. I was an internet kid. I would just find people online who I could talk to and things like that. Yeah.

• 23:47Alex Cooper?

  That's why like the internet is, I hate it and love. Love it because you're so real. Like, I remember when I was younger, like YouTube, I would find like anything that you were going through, if you were alone, you could find someone somewhere on the internet.

• 24:02Alex Cooper?

  And so there's like a saving grace, obviously, of you saying like, I didn't know anyone trans. I was by myself going through it. And I know you've been open, like your family was very supportive of you. But still, even when like your parents are like, we got you. It's like, okay, mom, dad, like, love you, but like, I like, I need people my own fucking age to relate to and to connect to. So I appreciate you sharing that. I know you've also been a really open in your gender journey from a very young age that like, you said at one point, you felt very boxed in and labeled and that everything became about being trans and you just wanted to be seen as a person. Which I can imagine it's like in every single interview, you're like, I'm an artist, but so many people want to also talk to you about being trans.

• 24:43Alex Cooper?

  Where are you now in your career and your journey of having your own identity? And accepting yourself, but also like putting boundaries of like, we don't need to talk about every fucking thing every single time.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, I feel like it's a unique situation. So I like to talk about it now because I feel like it's, it's something where, yeah, it's just like a unique point of view. And I think it comes in as my strength sometimes that I get to write from that perspective because like,

• 25:13Speaker 01

  that's always just gonna be a big part of me that, that I am trans. And I think that gives me in songwriting, like such an interesting angle. And I think what, what's so special about music is that, that is like, when I came to America and started going to studios, it really didn't matter. Who I was, it just mattered, like, am I good? Is my songwriting good? Can I sing? You know, and I feel like the more, art that I get to put out and the more music I get to make, the more I become an artist rather than, you know, all the labels that people put on me. And it's not just a trans thing. I mean, it's like, if you're a woman and you make music, people just talk about you being a woman in music. Or you being a gay man in music or all of that stuff. You know, we all just get boxed into this label that defines us and I think,

• 25:59Speaker 01

  In general are a good reminder that gender and all of that stuff is just a label. And it really is all about who you are i- in you know, inside and and not about. All the stuff, you know, just because you're this doesn't mean you have to like this or do this and genders is a much. Is is a thing that matters a lot less, I think, and says a lot less about people than we think. And yeah, you are whatever, whatever you wanna be and whatever's in your in your mind and.

• 26:30Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. No, I love it. No, it's so true because it's like when you break it down, it's like just let everyone do whatever the fuck they wanna do. And it's stop trying to. Just talk about people in one specific way. No one would be happy if the roles were reversed and you're just saying one thing about someone. We're all very multifaceted.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  Totally, and every person is their own thing, you know, completely. And I feel like. Just, just more than ever, I'm I'm just trying to, you know, show people. What's what's in my mind, what what you know, what my music is about, what I stand for. Rather than, you know, all the just talking about being trans all the time.

• 27:09Alex Cooper?

  Completely, totally. I think your accomplishments, I mean, we could go through them all, but they speak for themselves. Like you've. You've really popped off in an unbelievable way. You've had such an incredible career already. What a full circle moment that one of your biggest idols, Madonna, introduced your performance at the Grammys. What is it about Madonna that inspires you?

• 27:31Speaker 01

  Well, I think Madonna is someone who who broke a lot of these like gender stereotypes and. Who can be very, you know, masculine in some of her music and talk about sex very freely and in a very different. Way and just like was so ahead of her time and like liberating people from feeling this shame about their sexuality and especially gay people. I mean, she did that shit in the nineties when it was really, really rough for gay people and I will forever just like. Feel inspired and liberated by her taking the hit for so many people because. She really, you know, was called like a witch and like all this crazy.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Stop for just talking about her sexuality and just being so all out there and I I respect that in someone.

• 28:18Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Can be so if they can let that bounce off of them and like, well, I am still gonna talk about whatever I wanna talk about. I'll never forget, like, right before the performance, right before, because there was a little break because it cuts to me.

• 28:29Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  She had like a little whip and she was like, uh, like mouth to me like, go get it bitch and like whipped her little whip and I was like. I was like literally just and I was tied up in this cage where I like couldn't say anything back. It was like arms up.

• 28:46Alex Cooper?

  You're like.

• 28:49Alex Cooper?

  Picturing you trying to like give her the nod and you're like, I wish I could hug you.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Do you do like do a kick like?

• 28:57Alex Cooper?

  Makes totally. The whole cage falls over. You're like.

• 29:03Alex Cooper?

  Dude, I was picturing you like fully tied up, just being like. Like, oh, do I wink? Do I like?

• 29:09Speaker 01

  I know.

• 29:10Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my god.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 29:11Alex Cooper?

  No, I so agree with everything you're saying about Madonna. It's it's so crazy to look back at certain eras where we were so young and watching like every generation has it where there's certain people that just become essentially the people that are breaking down barriers in and in that generation. I know so many people were like Madonna's crazy, like she should be taken off air, like she shouldn't be able to do this. And yet what people didn't understand is she was having such a needed conversation and allowed the next generation of performers to lean even further into it because she did what she did.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:46Alex Cooper?

  It's so cool that you now can be on fucking stage trying to give her a wink or whatever.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  Not only it's it's so freaking cool and like what what she said too, because like I think she was saying that she was supposed to like, uh, do like the record of the year or something like that. And she said she wanted to introduce the first trans performer at the Grammys and like, I was like, oh, you really are the coolest to ever exist, you know?

• 30:08Alex Cooper?

  Coolest, yeah. Didn't you meet her for the first time drunk at an SNL after party?

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Yes, she came to the SNL after party and.

• 30:15Alex Cooper?

  How drunk were you?

• 30:16Speaker 01

  I was so obliterated. I just kept talking her like ear off. About confessions on the dance floor and I was like, that's one of the best like albums ever. It's a timeless classic and like people don't really like appreciate it enough and like when he did this on Ray of Light, it was like the most, it changed my life. I was listening to it, I felt like so much less alone and like I was just talking to her, she was like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And then she was like, we should take a picture. And I was like, thank you so much for saying that because I would have just talked her fucking ears off for hours.

• 30:43Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, she's like, sweetie, let's just pose so you can catch your breath.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  I know, I know. I'm, I'm, she must think I'm insane.

• 30:49Alex Cooper?

  No, no, I bet she gets that all the time. And also, it's just, it's, it's so genuine. That's also just so iconic, though, for you to be like hammered at a party, being like, Madonna, like, I love you. We love you, Madonna.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  I love you so much.

• 31:02Alex Cooper?

  Okay, Kim, we're gonna play a game.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  Let's play this game.

• 31:05Alex Cooper?

  We're gonna play Would You Rather.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 31:07Alex Cooper?

  Some of these are really fucking random, so don't judge me.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  I, I, okay, I love it.

• 31:10Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Would you rather accidentally post a nude on your Instagram? Or butt dial your parents during sex?

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Post a nude on my Instagram. I feel like I have no like decency left anyways. Like you can find nude of nudes of me anywhere. So it's like,

• 31:28Alex Cooper?

  I was gonna say, yeah, I feel like a nude.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  I have my tits out at every shoot. Like, it's like,

• 31:32Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  At this point, I'd rather do a nude because like, I feel like calling my parents during sex would be disturbing for them.

• 31:39Alex Cooper?

  Mm-hmm. And for you, after, when you relive.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 31:42Alex Cooper?

  Cause also how bad to find out that you butt dialed them, but you figure out after she was replaying, like, what was I saying during sex? Like, how nasty was that sex? Like, what was I doing? Like, what were the noises? Like, just, my dad couldn't see the same, my mom couldn't see, yeah, the whole thing.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:56Alex Cooper?

  Okay, great. So rather post a nude. Love that. I agree. Would you rather go a month without sex or a month without music?

• 32:05Speaker 01

  A month without sex. I'm definitely there. Yeah, I'm so single. And like, honestly, like, I've just been so busy. Like, there's no hope right now. But it's like, okay. Like, I'm very happy. The thing is, like, the, the music almost acts like a, as that, like, excitement and like, that crush that I'm obsessed with because I can just like, listen to it again and again and again and like, get really obsessed and like, change little details about it. And like, all the little crushes I have on the side always end up in the music. So I like, I, I make it and then I listen to them and think of them and how they're not. With me.

• 32:38Alex Cooper?

  Wait, I kind of, that's actually great.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  And how I can't have them.

• 32:40Alex Cooper?

  Right. And you can like re-listen to your music all the time in like a not stalkery way that you're like not over texting the person. You're just re-listening to your music.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  I'm not like re-watching their stories. I just listened to the song I wrote about them a million times.

• 32:52Alex Cooper?

  I think that's a great, great answer. Um, I know you love horror movies and I know you love Halloween. So would you rather never be able to watch a scary movie again or never be able to dress up for Halloween?

• 33:08Speaker 01

  This is like mean. I mean, Halloween is gay Christmas, you know, it's like, it's so, so in me.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  I think, but never watch a horror movie again. That would be a, okay, Halloween is just once a year. I would like, you know, just like shut my doors, be a total witch in the hills. Like, see no one, um, and pretend like Halloween doesn't exist and watch horror movies.

• 33:36Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 33:36Speaker 01

  So I would pick that.

• 33:37Alex Cooper?

  And then you can just go dress up another time of the year.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 33:40Alex Cooper?

  Okay, that's fair. I like that. Would you rather fuck someone who is absolutely silent? Or someone who screams the whole time?

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Someone who screams the whole time. At least I know that they're into it, you know, like, but silence would just throw me off.

• 33:54Alex Cooper?

  Right, like at least you know they're there.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally. It would just make me feel like they don't want this to happen and that would be, that would really be.

• 34:03Alex Cooper?

  I've had like some hookups where the guy is so quiet and I'm like, I just need like a couple grunts.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  I know, me too.

• 34:10Alex Cooper?

  Give me like a light fuck, like, oh, fuck, like something.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  I hate that. I hate that like a lot of guys are like.

• 34:16Alex Cooper?

  To win the zone?

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, I'm not gonna make any noises, man, like.

• 34:19Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 34:20Speaker 01

  Come on, just do it.

• 34:21Alex Cooper?

  Just let it go.

• 34:22Speaker 01

  Totally, let it go. It's like honestly hot.

• 34:24Alex Cooper?

  I agree.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:25Alex Cooper?

  Would you rather never give head again or never receive head again?

• 34:30Speaker 01

  Never receive head again. Giving head is like the funnest thing of my life. Honestly, like it's so fun.

• 34:36Alex Cooper?

  We're gonna get into the throat. Go, but.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 34:39Alex Cooper?

  Don't worry, we're getting there. But would you rather accidentally bite someone's dick giving a blowjob or throw up on it?

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Oh. It's such a rough one. I feel like accidentally bite, I mean, it's not defined how hard it has to be. You know, maybe it can just be a little tooth.

• 34:59Alex Cooper?

  Right, like a little, little snaggletooth.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, like just the tiny bit toothy is better than throwing up because I don't think I could work that out on therapy.

• 35:08Alex Cooper?

  Right, right. Like it would have to be the kind of throw up where, because I've had that before where you basically do throw up, but you suck it all back up before it leaks.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  In that case.

• 35:17Alex Cooper?

  Extra lube.

• 35:22Alex Cooper?

  Anything.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  Free lube.

• 35:24Alex Cooper?

  Chunky lube.

• 35:28Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  I want a chunky lube t-shirt.

• 35:32Alex Cooper?

  Chunky lube t-shirt. They're like, what does that mean? On the back throw up?

• 35:35Speaker 01

  That's my brand I'm gonna make.

• 35:36Alex Cooper?

  So good, so good. Would you rather have drunk sex or high sex?

• 35:42Speaker 01

  High sex.

• 35:43Alex Cooper?

  Me too. So much better.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  So good.

• 35:44Alex Cooper?

  Would you rather be in the Mile High Club or fuck in someone's car?

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Someone's car?

• 35:49Alex Cooper?

  Hmm.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like planes are like, plane bathrooms are just gross.

• 35:54Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, disgusting.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  I totally, but I respect it. Like I, I have some like friends and like especially like my gay friends that I like travel with. They're like, yeah, I sat next to the hot guy and then we fucked and like, I'm just like in my pod like with like my eye mask on and like, you know?

• 36:10Alex Cooper?

  It's not sexy and like I, I think maybe the allure could be like, ooh, you have to be quiet and hide it. I don't really want to have to do that. I'd rather be in the car just like using the seatbelt, like choke me out, let's go, let's have a good time, like let's get weird.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like cars are just in general like such a good spot, like being in a car with a boy and

• 36:28Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, and they can move to what's happening. It gives a little like, yeah, it gets a little foggy. There's a lot of good things.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Titanic.

• 36:34Alex Cooper?

  Exactly. Both of us grabbing for it. Let's talk about your dating life. You said, you know, you're in a, you're in a little dry spell and we love that. So you're not dating anyone?

• 36:45Speaker 01

  No, I'm not dating anyone.

• 36:47Alex Cooper?

  Are you interested in dating at all?

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I I mean, I'm I'm interested in it, but honestly, I feel like it's um been something that's just like I'm good without to and I feel like I've always been a relationship girl, like I love a relationship. I'm not like a quick hookup girl, even though like sometimes, you know, I don't have a choice. Like sometimes I have like boys in different cities like that I can just call up in every city. Um, that's a fun thing to be on because I know.

• 37:17Alex Cooper?

  You got your road beef.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  I know my road beef. Yeah, no, uh, that's good, but just right now, I I just feel like I don't know who would like fit into my crazy life right now.

• 37:28Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 37:28Speaker 01

  Because I'm just like always doing shit and always traveling and I'm never in the same space for long enough to even like really, you know, do something meaningful.

• 37:37Alex Cooper?

  I was gonna say, yeah, like what is dating life like now as a pop star compared to like maybe a couple of years ago where you still had like a little anonymity?

• 37:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's it's really changed it. I feel like people are just in general like a little scared of me now. Which is kind of good, you know, it's just like weeds them out. Like you have to just like say that you want me now.

• 37:56Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Or I don't have time for you, you know, my clock just slipped.

• 38:00Alex Cooper?

  The full clock, it felt like it was five hundred pounds. We just hit the floor. Oh, you're like, I don't have time for you. Boom.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:07Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's interesting. So you like, does that make you sad a little bit that you think like, do you have? Do you think people are seeing a persona of yours and then you have to like deconstruct it and be like, I'm not really always like that?

• 38:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think in general, like Slap Pop really changed how guys see me because like I feel like a lot of the guys that I'm dating have heard Slap Pop and like know that and they're like, you know, and it's like, yeah, I'm the girl who sings Throat Goat, you know, and this is like and they just feel like they have to like live up to this crazy expectation and uh, that's like not, you know, it's like such a persona for for that record that it's like that's that's not me, you know, I'm also someone who just like wants to watch horror movies with you and like cuddle and be cute.

• 38:49Alex Cooper?

  Totally.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  All of that. And I like the last thing I want is for you to be scared of me.

• 38:53Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  So if you're scared of me, I'm immediately cutting you off because that makes me feel horrible about myself, you know?

• 38:59Alex Cooper?

  I get that.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  Like, I'm just like a Genuine person and I really feel like I'm but I have crushes on the wrong guys like all the time.

• 39:07Alex Cooper?

  Really, what do you have a type?

• 39:08Speaker 01

  I I don't really, I feel like every single guy is like is very different. I I think the type that I have is just like the energy. Being good and and them being funny, being honest, being like loyal. Um, I think that's like the big ones for me and just like how I like sweet guys. I like when you're sweet, you know?

• 39:27Alex Cooper?

  But you just said you're picking some of the wrong guys, so what's going on?

• 39:31Speaker 01

  So the not sweet guys. Yeah, I don't know, just guys who like keep me like dangling or think they have to constantly like do stuff to, you know, keep me obsessed with them. Then I'm on the road and like then you don't talk to me and then I'm back. It's just like, yeah.

• 39:47Alex Cooper?

  It's exhausting.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  It's exhausting.

• 39:49Alex Cooper?

  Do you let your friends set you up with people or no?

• 39:52Speaker 01

  I do, yeah. I uh went on a date with a guy uh who my friend set me up with recently. Didn't really go anywhere, but it was it was fun because like sharing similar friends, you can at least talk about the friends. You know, you can just like.

• 40:06Alex Cooper?

  She's so cool. You have a commonality to talk about, so you're not like, how's your dream?

• 40:14Alex Cooper?

  You could be like Rebecca's a bitch, right?

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Totally. Um, yeah, I let my I let my friend set me up uh for sure.

• 40:23Alex Cooper?

  When was your last relationship?

• 40:24Speaker 01

  Um, my last relationship was like one and a half years ago and that was like a five year relationship, so like a long one. So I feel like I'm still like anyway at the part where like I need to like be myself, get over that relationship and all the stuff that that did to me because it wasn't like a very nice relationship and made me feel awful about myself for a few years and that's the worst. I should have like cut it off when I felt it. Um, but yeah, I you know, it was it was the first time I broke up with someone and the thank you, thank you. And the first time that I I just really feel like I I did the right thing and listened to my intuition and got out of it.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  And I know a lot of people who don't get out of relationships that don't fulfill them and they're almost like a new person when they get out of it like it's like, oh my god. Not your back and you know, like you're you're like yourself again and you're happy again and so that's my main thing. I I never wanna. You know, I mean, and no one wants to, but just I I really don't wanna be in any relationship that doesn't make me. Feel good and feel great, you know, because I'm such a pleasing person and like. I feel like I always used to just like, I just want you to be happy and I don't care if I'm happy.

• 41:38Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  And that's that's a bad thing. And I think that goes back to me. As a as a kid, as a teen, like I just hope one day like a guy can see me as a girl or. Show me any attention, you know, and like see me as a normal person, not as a freak, you know, I think it goes back to that. Me just wanting to, you know, well, he likes me, so I'm gonna do anything for him and like completely forget that I have value as a person.

• 42:02Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I think that's so relatable, Kim, and like. I also love how you were like, oh, my god, I should have gotten out earlier, but I'm so happy I did get out. I think so. Many times we're so hard on ourselves because when you're so deep in something, it's really hard to actually make the jump to envision life. Even if it's toxic without that person because you've been living in it for so long, you have your routines. That still is the person that you're with all the time and like. You just become so attached to something that you almost forget like what life was like before them and a lot of times it was so much better.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 42:35Alex Cooper?

  It's hard, but it's hard to get out.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  Really hard, but it's like. You're you're gonna live and it's gonna be okay and you're gonna figure it out again. You're gonna get back into it and honestly. Life like on your own sometimes can be so much more like purposeful and. Uh fulfilling. I feel like really I personally like thrive when I have like. Time by myself where I just literally do whatever. It's like recharging and I think in general, like I wish I would have done that in my. Relationship more um and and yeah, I mean, um I feel like. Relationships are the hardest thing to to figure out. They really are and.

• 43:14Alex Cooper?

  So hard.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  They're really, really hard, so.

• 43:16Alex Cooper?

  Really hard.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  But right now I'm having fun and and that's awesome and I feel like I'm just like. Finally, like back at the at the place where I like love being alone and spending time by myself and where I just shut my door and. Just do whatever.

• 43:31Alex Cooper?

  Amazing. What is your perfect ideal first date?

• 43:35Speaker 01

  I don't think there is one. I I really think that uh first dates are always gonna be a little awkward and like I just like. You know, I I feel like my my first thing I do is probably try to drink because I'm so nervous. I get really, really nervous and it's such an awkward thing when like you know that you like technically are attracted to each other, but like you have to like figure it out, do a little dance. Uh uh but I feel like in general, just doing something like active, like going to like an arcade or going uh the fun stuff.

• 44:11Alex Cooper?

  Yes, doing something so you're not just sitting across the table being like, hel- hello.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Totally. Yeah, how are you doing?

• 44:17Alex Cooper?

  Where you can actually do something. I but I also like I like when you show me like one of your favorite places that you actually like actually love going instead of like I wanna try out this new place like just show me like where do you actually go? Are we, what are we doing, Kim? Are we fucking on the first date? Are we waiting? Like, do you have any rules in your head or do you just do whatever the fuck comes to you?

• 44:37Speaker 01

  I live in the moment. I've definitely done the first date, you know, fuck, but I think it's um usually when I do that, like I'm then like not interested anymore. It's like, yeah, I feel like it's just like I need to like give it time and like I need to be like obsessed with you and like you're like I need to let it simmer for a bit more. I realize now because like once I broke up, I would just like go home with like every single one of them every time and it was really, really fun. I had a great time, you know? Um but I feel like when you when you really give it time, it just makes it more special and cooler.

• 45:15Alex Cooper?

  I love how you're I love Kim's out here breaking everyone's hearts, like gives them the best sex after date one and then you literally just ghosting everyone. You're like, nah, you're like, I was happy. That was great, but I'm over it. On to the next.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I'm just like in the next city.

• 45:28Alex Cooper?

  Right, right, you're gone, you're gone. Oh, my god, that's actually that's I've never heard someone say that. You get you're over it once you have sex the first time and you're just like, eh, that's boring. Okay.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  I I mean, maybe it was just the guys. Maybe it was just a situation. I I don't like to like make a rule in general, but I think just like the guys like I went home with, I was just like, I just needed like rebound attention and so I just like. Yeah, and then I was like eh.

• 45:56Alex Cooper?

  So I get it. Growing up, who was your celebrity crush?

• 46:01Speaker 01

  Um, Legolas in Lord of the Rings. Like, that wig.

• 46:06Alex Cooper?

  No, Kim, let me tell you something. Three, three of the people that I like, I'm like, what's wrong with me? Number one, Johnny Depp specifically as Captain Jack Sparrow.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:17Alex Cooper?

  Okay, number two, Legolas, Orlando Bloom specifically as the elf in Lord of the Rings.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Hot.

• 46:23Alex Cooper?

  The, the hair and the ears and then Edward Cullen as vampire. But I'm like, wait, what? Are we like weirdos that were like specifically as an elf?

• 46:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, specifically as an elf. Yeah, in the wig as that character.

• 46:35Alex Cooper?

  He was so hot.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  I know, it was so hot. Like, I, I, because I, totally, uh, yeah, I don't know. That was just like, I, I remember like, ha- like having a poster of him and like just being so obsessed with him. And I will forever be obsessed with him, I'm gonna be honest.

• 46:50Alex Cooper?

  But you must think like-

• 46:51Speaker 01

  But just Legolas, not the person. Yeah.

• 46:54Alex Cooper?

  His name is Orlando Bloom and I bet Orlando Bloom never thought like, of all the roles that I've ever played, everyone in the world's like the hottest version of you.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  The hot elf, baby.

• 47:04Alex Cooper?

  Hot elf, Legolas. No, I'm not kidding if you guys have, actually, I feel like if you don't have the context, like if you just Google him, it, you may all be like, you guys are freaks. Watch the movie. Because the context is important. He's just so like, I don't even remember. He's just great. His vibe is great.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  His vibe is so good.

• 47:24Alex Cooper?

  But he looks amazing.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he looks amazing, stunning.

• 47:27Alex Cooper?

  I'm, I have to be honest, I really never thought that I would sit across from someone in my entire career and have someone say the same thing that I think of. Legolas, elf, Orlando Bloom. I'm like, what the fuck?

• 47:39Speaker 01

  And that's why we're on Hinge.

• 47:40Alex Cooper?

  Here we go, that's why we're here.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  And that's why we're here.

• 48:00Alex Cooper?

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• 49:28Alex Cooper?

  You can see all the delicious options at stouffers.com. Let's go to slut pop, okay? You've been mentioning it, but now we gotta talk about it. You coined the term slut pop to describe your music. Can you define slut pop for those who may be becoming fans today?

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Yes, um, Slut Pop is this really Euro house dance nineties inspired uh EP. And me and my friends would always make pop songs that were slightly slutty and say, oh, it's slut pop. And so I just decided to go with it and make an EP and just be the most slutty version of myself that I could wish I could be in life. Uh, you know, but I feel like I'm too shy to be that all the time. Um, uh, so yeah, I just kind of let let it all out on that one and um, a lot of people were really uh, had interesting reactions to it and I think it's the funnest thing in the world to scream out the most obscene shit and just be like,

• 50:31Speaker 01

  I'm a fucking slut, fuck me, you know, it's just, it's so freeing every time I do it, it's addicting. And uh, and yeah, I I recommend to check it out, it's just.

• 50:42Alex Cooper?

  What are some of your craziest lines that if people haven't heard it, it's like, give it, give them a little something.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Okay, um, uh, these bitches can't suck like me, walk in, I'm the sucking queen. Look around, all eyes on me, jacket off, I'm a suck it clean.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Uh, I'm the, what's my name, what's my name, I'm the throat goat.

• 51:04Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah. It is, it is poetic, it's beautiful, it's touching.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  To me, it's pure beauty, you know, if if if you are, you know, you you might not get it, you might get it.

• 51:19Alex Cooper?

  But if you get it, you really get it.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  You're like a slut, little dirty bitch, I love to fuck.

• 51:25Alex Cooper?

  It's so, it's so good, Kim, other than your own catalog, what's a song or an artist that you would also classify as like slut pop?

• 51:34Speaker 01

  Oh, uh, Britney Spears' Blackout Era, that, it's just the best, so like, dirty and.

• 51:41Alex Cooper?

  Full slut pop.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, cool, that was definitely a huge inspiration for that. I also think that Kylie Minogue has a, has a bunch of songs that I would, I would put on slut pop.

• 51:51Alex Cooper?

  Dude, I'm thinking about how you kind of said like people after slut pop, like people were kind of intimidated by you. Because it's like you're coming in here being like, I am the throat goat, like I, like, and all this shit. When did you actually start to just become really confident about talking about sex?

• 52:08Speaker 01

  I think in in general, when when I made that, I think I was just like in a phase of my life where I felt like I was like a little um, you know, just not talking about that part of my life enough. And I have so many friends and especially as a trans girl, it's like that are sex workers, I, you know, porn is great, porn like sex workers work and it was a moment where OnlyFans was gonna ban sex workers from its platform, which would have taken away like the livelihood of a lot of my friends. And so I was like, I don't think that there's anything wrong with that and I think that like everybody needs to stop like villainizing sex workers because there's a there's a huge demand for it.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  We need it and there's nothing to be ashamed of. And I I also always think, you know, if my life hadn't gone the way it did and I hadn't like been able to transition really early and stuff like that, I would have probably, you know, done that to be able to transition and to be able to be myself. So I wanted to take the shame out of it for my friends, for myself. And I think just in general, people need to be less afraid of it and I think especially women and girls, uh, there's so much power in like loving sex and like you should love it. You should figure out what how, you know, what you like about it and not be, you know, please men, like that's not the goal I like in sex.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  It's like you having a good time and so I'm I'm just a huge supporter of that. And that's been something that's been hard for me to figure out, you know, because like I have always just been like crazy for guys and like, how can I please him in any way? And once I kind of broke out of that, I was like, it's about me too. And yeah, so.

• 53:54Alex Cooper?

  I love also that I had actually someone recently asked me, this reporter was like, I, back in the day of Call Her Daddy, came up with this thing called the Gluck Gluck 9000. And it was just like, you know, my go-to blowjob move. And I remember this reporter being like,

• 54:10Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 54:10Alex Cooper?

  It's so good. It's so good. And I remember the reporter being like, you know, if you're a feminist, like, then like, are you ashamed that you coined that term and that you were teaching young girls how to give blowjobs? And I was like, absolutely not, because of course, there are certain things in the past that I was like, probably way too appeasing of a man. But specifically with that, it's like, I just go to say like, I love pleasing my partner. Like, that doesn't mean you can't be a feminist. If you're like, I also love giving my fiance head and like, making him feel good. That's part of sex. And that gets me off by also making sure my partner is having a good fucking time. So it's like, we need to talk about the throat goat, because as much as we're like, girls enjoy sex,

• 54:50Alex Cooper?

  it's also like, you can also be down and pleasing your partner is also a part of enjoying sex. It's not just a one-off situation where you're just like, by yourself. Well, you can do it by yourself. But when you're with a partner, can you talk about the throat goat? Can you talk about? Give us some tips. Give us a couple little, you know, Kim, just give us like, one little thing, maybe like a little, like, what are we doing?

• 55:12Speaker 01

  I pull out the bottle.

• 55:14Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, you're like, so.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. That was iconic. What did she do? She went?

• 55:18Alex Cooper?

  She was like, you do this. And then she said, you wear the Invisalign on your bottom.

• 55:21Speaker 01

  Yes, wear Invisalign. I want to try that.

• 55:23Alex Cooper?

  I know, I'm like, calling my dentist and like, I just need a bottom Invisalign. They're like, bitch, your teeth are fine. I'm like, no, just the bottom.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  It's the funnest thing. Like, I love giving blowjobs. It's my favorite thing in the world. It's, I'm, I pride myself in it. And I think that's awesome.

• 55:38Alex Cooper?

  It's all on you. Like, you're center stage. It's your time to shine.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  It's literally your time to shine. And like,

• 55:45Alex Cooper?

  It's like, watch me go.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  Eye contact, like, that's a very important one. And I don't know, it's just like,

• 55:51Alex Cooper?

  A little sloppy.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  I love when boys really like that, you know, and really, yeah.

• 56:01Alex Cooper?

  No, I love it. And I think it's, again, I just like that we're talking about it because it doesn't, there's nothing wrong with enjoying and pleasing your partner.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  No.

• 56:12Alex Cooper?

  And I think sometimes to all, you know, the people out there, it's like if you are intimidated by it, you have to just reframe the way that you're thinking about it. It's supposed to be fun. You're supposed to, it's playful, it's enjoyable.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, and if you, if you don't enjoy it, that's fine too, you know?

• 56:27Alex Cooper?

  Totally.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Find the things that you really love. For me, I love giving, giving head. You know, and I call myself the throat go, and have been called that.

• 56:37Alex Cooper?

  Oh, oh.

• 56:40Alex Cooper?

  And that wasn't coined just by myself. Thank you. Goodbye. Would you say you're more dominant or submissive in the bedroom?

• 56:48Speaker 01

  Um, I, I'm pretty subby. Yeah, I'm pretty subby.

• 56:53Alex Cooper?

  Love it.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  But like, I gotta really like trust someone and like if you really like, like me to Dom, I, I will do it. Um, and I like when someone can give me a really specific, like, this is what I like. Like do this. Like I love that. And maybe that's why I'm subby. Because I just like, I like in those situations to be told what to do and just to like, do that. But yeah, but also I can, I can be, I feel like I swing both ways.

• 57:26Alex Cooper?

  Love it. Love it. When you say, treat me like a slut, what do you actually want your partner to do, Kim?

• 57:34Speaker 01

  Um, fuck me.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  I don't know, bend me over. I'm not opposed to a little choking.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  All, all that good stuff. Just, just put me into position and go.

• 57:52Alex Cooper?

  I love how you just push your glasses so I could, you're like, goodbye. I'm just, I'm not acting iconic with you right now. Bend me over, put me in position, let's go. That's good.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, good. Okay, good. Yeah, but I think in general, just like, make me feel like you really want me bad and need me, you know, like. That's the hottest thing you can do.

• 58:14Alex Cooper?

  Okay, on a, just quickly on a little bit more serious note, um, are you like, oh, girl? Don't go there.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Out of nowhere.

• 58:22Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, just out of nowhere.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  And I got back in in a car, it's awesome.

• 58:26Alex Cooper?

  But yeah, maybe I should have like changed. This is like a little too aggressive of a transition, I just realized, but.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  No, I love it.

• 58:32Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 58:50Alex Cooper?

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• 1:01:15Alex Cooper?

  Obviously, everything that's going on with trans rights right now in America, I just felt like it wouldn't be right if I didn't ask you. Obviously, it's disgusting what's happening, and we're clearly regressing. How are you handling the hateful backlash for, you know, with the trans community?

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Well, I feel like I need to hold it up for all the, for all the young kids that are trans and getting, you know, their rights taken away and all of that stuff that they're, you know, I, I try to find the best causes to, to help. I try to stay in touch with all my trans friends and all of that. But just in general, I think it's brutal how people treat trans people. It's just like, everybody deserves to live their lives how they can, you know, and the, the way that they know how to get through life. And I feel like the, the judgment around it is still so intense and scary. And there's so much like, actual like murder and things like that in the trans community that are really, really terrifying. And it's such

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  a beautiful, beautiful community. And that's the one thing that I just like want people to know, like the dolls have each other's backs. Like, we love each other. And I feel like there's so many trans friends of mine that I couldn't live life without, that are such like beautiful lights. And just remember that and find the people who get you and who support you and focus on that. Because I still get called a man every single day, you know, like, and that's, okay, it's funny to me at this point. I'm like, I'm a man, you know, because like, I'm, yeah, because like, I feel like I've been called like that since I was 12 and all of that. So to me, it's like,

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  brush it off at this point but I know how like horrible that that situation can be and there's just a very public like hate campaign on trans people right now that's disappointing and sad but there's also a lot of people who really care and who really are pushing and just know that like it's an up up and down swing with trans rights like it has been with gay rights like it has been with anyone who's different than the norm and it's it's gonna probably get better and swing back around at least that's what I hope but in general know that like there's amazing people out there who have all got your back and who think you're really beautiful and you deserve

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  everything you deserve love you deserve to be seen to who you really truly are and don't settle for anything less I've done it and it sucks and yeah I love y'all

• 1:03:58Alex Cooper?

  oh my god amen

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  amen

• 1:04:00Alex Cooper?

  amen let everyone live however they wanna fucking live

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  I know it's so annoying

• 1:04:06Alex Cooper?

  it's just so crazy like the progress we've made in some areas that we're still having these conversations and it's so infuriating

• 1:04:14Speaker 01

  yeah I mean especially in America it goes with like uh you know birth control and things like that it's the same exact kind of thing where there's just people trying to tell people what they can and can't do with their bodies and it's wrong and no one ever should and it really like and like makes it so much harder for people to just like live their lives and make their own decisions and it's just so annoying that our bodies are still being policed by people and

• 1:04:43Alex Cooper?

  it's it's truly insane but I do think it's we are so fortunate that we can sit here and you can use your music and I can use this show as a platform to just like keep talking about it

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  totally

• 1:04:55Alex Cooper?

  I hope it anyone that it makes uncomfortable look inward as to why and like start doing the work and I think everyone that is supporting like keep supporting and be vocal and post on social media and because I think it's so important that we just keep showing we aren't going anywhere and and everyone should just be able to do whatever the fuck they want and we need to get on board with that

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  I know it's really not that hard it really only is hard to people who Need to control other people in life to get to be comfortable in life. Like you need to be able to control your woman to live with your ego and shit and so you know, because you're too scared. She's gonna go in, you know?

• 1:05:35Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, it's all to maintain their power.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:38Alex Cooper?

  And it's like have your power over there, let us have our power over here, fuck off.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:05:43Alex Cooper?

  But.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Like.

• 1:05:44Alex Cooper?

  Oh, we, I mean, we could sit here for fucking hours.

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  They can't bust anymore.

• 1:05:53Alex Cooper?

  They're like, oh, no, no, no, okay, do whatever you want, do whatever you want. You take away their nut, they're like, oh, no.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, literally.

• 1:06:00Alex Cooper?

  Do whatever you want.

• 1:06:05Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, you have a new album coming out.

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:09Alex Cooper?

  And I'm so excited for you. The album is called Feed the Beast.

• 1:06:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:14Alex Cooper?

  How did you come up with that?

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  For me, it, it was, it started with kind of Feed the Beat, uh, because I feel like I constantly need to listen to music and, and just do my thing over beats. Then it turned into Feed the Beast because, uh, I had an album leak and, uh, my label told me, you gotta get back in the studio, make new songs and go feed the beast. And, uh, that was literally like, okay, let me think about this. And then I kind of thought about myself and like my personal ambitions and I've always wanted to really play the pop game. I've always wanted to make big pop songs and big melodies and be like a real player in the music industry. And, uh, you know, do big shows and all of that.

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  And I was like, there was a part of me that was a little ashamed of that for a while and I was like, but I'm like a gay club darling. And like, maybe that's just like all I want and all I, all I wanna be. And I was like, no, like my passion is to go for it. So go feed the beast, go feed that, what, what I feel like almost ashamed of to want.

• 1:07:15Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  Go want that and, and own it and don't be afraid of it. And you know, so I feel like for me, the album is a reminder, hopefully to my fans, to really find what it is that you can't live without and, uh, go all out on it and don't be afraid to take up space. And don't be, you know, scared to make it as, as massive as you wanna make it and as ridiculous as you wanna make it. And, um, yeah, go feed that.

• 1:07:44Alex Cooper?

  Kim, how is this album different than past work that you've done?

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  Um, I think I just, I think I just had it like a shift creatively where I just like kind of was a bitch to my co-writes and took more control and was like, I just really came in with like full songs flashed out again, kind of like I did in the very beginning. Before people like wanted to work with me, I just came in with fully fleshed concepts and then just was like, we're writing this and feel like I really took control. I worked with some people I've never worked with before. Um, I like tried, I like did a bunch in Sweden, I did a bunch in London. Uh, so it really feels like that like major label really executed on a, on the best level of my abilities and

• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  uh, and I'm really grateful to my label for allowing me to do that and for allowing me to take the time to really make something that feels whole and complete and that feels um, this exciting because I think you're gonna freak when you hear it.

• 1:08:40Alex Cooper?

  I am so excited. Where is the perfect place to listen to this album? Like, are we doing it at the club? Are we working out? Are we having sex? Are we on the beach? What, what's the vibe?

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  In a car getting fucked.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  Literally. Um, yeah, all of those places. I think that's the funnest thing about this. I think it has a lot of, a lot of club moments, but it also, it does have a ballad, um, which is like kind of unconventional ballad, which I'm excited for people to hear because like never really do that. Like I'm very against ballads usually. Like I, I love like Celine Dion, but I didn't think I could do that stuff.

• 1:09:18Alex Cooper?

  Right, here she comes.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  Here I come. Uh, but yeah, I think you can really, I, I think you can listen to it from front to back by yourself, getting ready in the bathroom. You can listen to it in the, in the club, you can, um, all of that stuff. So I think it's an overall, overall listening thing, yeah.

• 1:09:35Alex Cooper?

  I'm so excited for you and for

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:09:38Alex Cooper?

  This summer, are you going on tour?

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, uh, not, uh, later this year, like a little after summer and now it's gonna be up. Uh, but yeah, I'm going on tour. Um, and I'm so, so excited to go on tour because like it's been a freaking while and it's my favorite thing in the world and like I missed it like nothing else in the world. And so I'll just be traveling. I'm doing a bunch of really cool festivals like all over the world and uh, Putting this tour together. I'm like in rehearsals a lot, which is like my happy place. I love being with my dancers and just figuring out the show and the lighting and every detail. Lots of outfit changes. It's gonna be good.

• 1:10:17Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to see the outfits. I am so happy I got to sit down with you today. I've been wanting to do this for so long and you are like...

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  I listen to you all the time, so it's been an honor to be here.

• 1:10:28Alex Cooper?

  No, like you truly have such an energy about you that you're so calm and a vibe and like...

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 1:10:35Alex Cooper?

  But you're like everything. It's just so fun to be able to like sit with you and actually get to know your personality because you are so, so sweet and funny and amazing and I just, I can't wait to see what you do with your career. This is amazing.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  Thank you so much. You're the best. Thank you, daddy girl.

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