Pod Insights Call Her Daddy Podcast Aly & AJ: Disney & Dating Disasters About this episode Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Aly and AJ! Aly and AJ reminisce on their iconic Disney Channel days, touring with the Jonas Brothers, and what it was like dating at the network. They also discuss their sister dynamic, judging each others’ partners, their most brutal breakups, and their advice about cheating, losing friends, and getting caught talking shit. Enjoy!
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3:14 Alex Cooper? What is up Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.
3:23 Alex Cooper? Ally and AJ, welcome to Call Her Daddy.
3:24 Speaker 01 Thank you.
3:26 Alex Cooper? You guys, the last time we saw each other was, we were hanging out backstage at my tour and you were the loveliest people. And I always have these moments because I'm like, I watched you guys growing up. Obviously, I love you guys, your music, all of it. But meeting you guys in person was so fun to be like, oh my God, you guys are like normal girls and we're all just hanging out. So I'm so happy we're finally doing this.
3:48 Speaker 01 Same, same.
3:49 Alex Cooper? So happy to be here.
3:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was.
3:50 Alex Cooper? So happy to be here. Okay, if you guys are not like touring, if you're not working, if you don't have all the chaos of your life, what is your most fun thing that you guys usually like to do together?
4:00 Speaker 02 We're big like spa people and we kind of have been since we were young. Like, we were like hanging out in a spa at like 10 and 12 and we were just loving it. And our parents would be like, I don't know, they just like love hot, dry saunas and getting massages.
4:13 Alex Cooper? Oh, I love this for you guys.
4:15 Speaker 02 So like spa, so spa.
4:16 Alex Cooper? Spa. If you have a day off, you're going to the spa together.
4:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's our number one.
4:20 Speaker 02 That's our number one. That, or like, I mean, literally, it's like a movie, like just on AJ's couch, just like ordering in.
4:27 Alex Cooper? Yeah. How like often do you guys hang out?
4:30 Speaker 01 All the time.
4:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, all the time.
4:32 Alex Cooper? Like every day?
4:33 Speaker 01 Well, no, because now that she's a mom. So now that she's a mom, it's not every day. And also, we don't live down the street from each other.
4:40 Speaker 02 We literally used to live, I'm not even kidding you, like me in my car.
4:44 Speaker 01 Four minutes from each other.
4:44 Speaker 02 Driving to AJ's, four minutes. I could walk to her house in like twenty.
4:48 Alex Cooper? We, how far now?
4:50 Speaker 02 Now I'm like an hour and a half.
4:51 Alex Cooper? What?
4:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, I know.
4:52 Alex Cooper? What happened?
4:53 Speaker 01 She had a kid.
4:54 Speaker 02 I had a kid, yeah.
4:55 Alex Cooper? She's like, bye.
4:56 Speaker 01 Bye AJ.
4:57 Speaker 02 Well, like, really, we moved for like, to be closer to my mom. My mom lives out in San Yenaz. So we were like, okay, if we're closer to her, that will help with, you know, just like childcare or whatever.
5:07 Speaker 01 Of course.
5:07 Speaker 02 And then having more space, because the house that we live in, in, that we lived in in the canyon that we ended up renting out, is like a super cool pad, but it's more like, it's for a couple. It's not really for a kid. So we, we ended up renting a place that just had more space, like, so we kind of were just like, we'll see.
5:26 Speaker 01 But we still.
5:26 Speaker 02 It's only an hour and a half.
5:27 Speaker 01 I visit like every weekend.
5:29 Alex Cooper? We, but would you ever move?
5:31 Speaker 01 I love Santa Barbara.
5:32 Alex Cooper? Okay, you're happy in Santa Barbara.
5:34 Speaker 01 I'd move there in a second.
5:34 Alex Cooper? Okay, okay, okay. That makes me feel good.
5:36 Speaker 01 I really would. I'm not ready yet. I really love where I am.
5:39 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
5:40 Speaker 01 But I think down the road I would. I absolutely would. And I think it's a beautiful place to raise a son.
5:43 Alex Cooper? Do you guys play the typical, like, older, younger sister roles? Do you feel like, or is there anything that you're like, I don't act like a younger sister and older sister in this way?
5:52 Speaker 02 I think they were swapped when we were younger.
5:53 Alex Cooper? Oh, really?
5:54 Speaker 02 I was very much kind of younger sister and she was like older sister.
5:56 Speaker 01 And then it switched.
5:57 Speaker 02 Like, we always joke how, when I was young, I was very shy and.
6:02 Speaker 01 Really shy.
6:03 Speaker 02 And I would have her just kind of, you were like my translator, literally.
6:06 Speaker 01 She would like nudge me, it's like, and I'd be like, she wants a turkey sub with cheese and.
6:11 Speaker 02 No mustard.
6:12 Speaker 01 No mustard.
6:12 Speaker 02 You know, whatever.
6:13 Speaker 01 Like, literally, I would speak for her.
6:14 Speaker 02 She like knew. It was very strange.
6:16 Speaker 01 Oh, my god.
6:17 Alex Cooper? You got out of that, though.
6:18 Speaker 02 I got out of it. And then, and then I think it swapped to being like, okay, now I'm a younger sister.
6:22 Speaker 01 For me, but yeah.
6:23 Speaker 02 No, no. You're like, girl, you never did.
6:25 Alex Cooper? Never. But I think what's interesting is like, obviously, you guys then, like, at a pretty young age, got into the spotlight. So like, you don't think that a kid would be shy that then gets into like this industry? When Disney entered the conversation, were your parents? Parents at all, like this is like too much. They ever try to talk you guys out of it?
6:44 Speaker 01 No, at that point we were fully in, like SAG card in hand, doing commercials.
6:48 Speaker 02 Well, not you, not me. Cause I got my SAG card.
6:52 Speaker 01 Your first gig was Phil the Future.
6:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. So like, I didn't even have, like, I, I mean, I knew the basics of like, this is a mark and stuff, but I learned like everything on that set.
7:01 Alex Cooper? Oh my God, wait, your first gig was Phil the Future?
7:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, that was like how I got my SAG card.
7:05 Alex Cooper? That's like kind of the biggest flex ever. Wait, what?
7:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's funny, yeah.
7:08 Alex Cooper? When you guys, like, I obviously was thinking before I like sat down with you, I'm like, when you look back at that era, you think about like, you think about you guys, you think about Demi, you think about Miley, you think about Selena, you think about the Jonas Brothers, like, when you were in the era that you were in, because it shaped so much of our childhood, I feel like, did you guys realize it was that iconic in the moment, or did it literally just feel like work?
7:31 Speaker 01 I think once Calabals hit, we knew.
7:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, and I feel like when the music started happening on the channel, and that was happening simultaneously with Phil, I think that's when we were like, oh, this is really like clicking with people. And I do remember going to, I, I don't know, I think, were we with Hollywood Records at the time? I, I don't know. I don't think so.
7:51 Speaker 01 Well, I think they signed us season two of the show, right?
7:54 Speaker 02 It was season two, but I think season one of Phil the Future had been out. So no, we weren't signed yet with Hollywood. But for whatever reason, we were invited to Hilary Duff's concert at, I think, the Forum or something.
8:03 Alex Cooper? Oh my God.
8:04 Speaker 02 And I think you were with me.
8:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:07 Speaker 02 And like, I got mobbed at this concert and I was like,
8:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, cause season one had aired and you were like.
8:12 Speaker 02 It was weird. It was like the first real time I remember being like, oh, like people know me from this show. And then it was just, you know, after that, it was still very, we had a very normal life, but I just remember being like, oh, people are stopping me because of this TV show.
8:25 Alex Cooper? Oh my God, a Hilary Duff concert, like, take me back. Oh my God. Cause I was gonna ask like how your life changed with Phil the Future, cause I feel like that was a very, very, very big moment. And I feel like some shows popped, some shows didn't. That one, I like, feel like I watched every freaking episode and it was so good.
8:43 Speaker 02 Thank you. It did pop, but like, we only did two seasons, which people kind of forget.
8:48 Alex Cooper? Wait, what?
8:49 Speaker 01 Yes, that's it.
8:50 Speaker 02 That's it.
8:50 Speaker 01 I know it's a travesty.
8:51 Speaker 02 And then it got canceled.
8:52 Alex Cooper? Wait, but how many episodes were in a season?
8:54 Speaker 02 Twenty-two, I think.
8:55 Alex Cooper? Okay, that's also so different. Like, these days it's like six episodes.
8:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
8:59 Alex Cooper? Okay, but twenty?
9:00 Speaker 01 That's still a lot of episodes.
9:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, so it was only two.
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12:01 Speaker 01 Is this the unwell water?
12:02 Alex Cooper? No, that's water. That's real water. You can, this is unwell drink. Yeah, you can try it.
12:06 Speaker 01 Okay, I'm trying it.
12:07 Alex Cooper? Give it a go.
12:08 Speaker 01 Mango citrus?
12:08 Alex Cooper? It's yummy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's yummy. It's basically like a better ideally version of like Pedialyte and Gatorade.
12:16 Speaker 01 Sure, that's really good.
12:17 Alex Cooper? It's good, right?
12:18 Speaker 01 It's not sweet.
12:19 Alex Cooper? It's not, oh my God, I did so many.
12:20 Speaker 01 You don't have to tone it down with water. Like Gatorade, you have to add water.
12:24 Alex Cooper? In college, when I would play soccer, I would have to literally dilute it. And I would do like half Gatorade, half water. My favorite currently is the mango that you're currently holding.
12:32 Speaker 01 And this one is what?
12:33 Alex Cooper? Orange hibiscus.
12:33 Speaker 01 Orange hibiscus? Oh, that is good.
12:35 Alex Cooper? It's good, right?
12:36 Speaker 01 I think, I think the mango is maybe.
12:38 Alex Cooper? The mango is the best.
12:38 Speaker 01 It's my favorite.
12:39 Alex Cooper? It's my favorite currently.
12:40 Speaker 01 This is orange hibiscus. I like the mango.
12:42 Alex Cooper? Yeah, it's great. Um, okay, so back to, because I was, thank you so much. Because I was thinking about you guys and like, now that I'm like a businesswoman, and obviously like you guys can share what you want, but I was thinking about you guys and I'm like, you were so young and you guys looked like you were at the top of the world. But like, when you look back financially, did you feel like as kids you were compensated correctly? I don't know if that's like a fair thing to say.
13:07 Speaker 01 Um, I don't think we would have known anything to compare it to.
13:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, I don't think.
13:12 Speaker 01 I think it's crazy when you have a job that young.
13:14 Speaker 02 Of course.
13:14 Speaker 01 You know what I mean?
13:15 Speaker 02 And, and, and in a strange way, like any money that you're making.
13:17 Alex Cooper? Of course.
13:18 Speaker 02 Seems like great, but like I made like seven thousand dollars.
13:21 Alex Cooper? Right.
13:21 Speaker 02 Per episode on.
13:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's not good.
13:22 Speaker 02 That ain't nothing. Like, do you know what I mean?
13:25 Alex Cooper? Yeah, that is interesting. Like, cause when you look back.
13:26 Speaker 02 I mean, I don't know what that would equate to today, but like.
13:29 Alex Cooper? True.
13:29 Speaker 01 Right.
13:30 Speaker 02 But I guess for a kids show, you're kind of like, that's great. That could go into their college fund. Like.
13:34 Alex Cooper? And how did you guys handle it with your parents? Cause obviously I remember we were standing in the hallway of my tour and I looked at you guys and I was like, how did you guys just stay so normal? And you guys are like so lovely. I feel like you guys are like my girlfriends from back home. And the unfortunate side of the industry, I feel like we've all seen is like so many of these kids, whether it was like the parents were abusing the power and taking the kids' money. The parents were forcing the kids.
13:58 Speaker 01 We saw it all the time.
13:59 Alex Cooper? The parents didn't help the kids. So they were just kind of by themselves on set.
14:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, they're just like dropped off and left with the teacher.
14:05 Alex Cooper? Right.
14:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:06 Alex Cooper? What attributed to you guys staying so grounded throughout this whole process?
14:10 Speaker 01 Well, I can tell you, we weren't the boss of our household. That's for sure. Like just because we were working did not put us at the top. Like we were the kids.
14:16 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:16 Speaker 01 Um, and then second, like our parents were very, very clear about like, yeah, you can go to this event. You can promote this project, but like you're not going to go to like some late after party with a bunch of adults when you guys are underage. Like, I just feel like when you're younger, you can kind of get away if you're in the industry, but just rolling into every situation.
14:37 Speaker 02 Yes. And you're like a little mini adult, even though you really shouldn't be.
14:40 Speaker 01 It's not really the time and place for that time in your life. Like you just shouldn't be at those kinds of things at that age. Like a, you know what I mean?
14:47 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:47 Speaker 01 I feel like our parents were very, they were pretty strict.
14:49 Speaker 02 And, and like our mom was on set with us. Like.
14:52 Alex Cooper? Amazing.
14:53 Speaker 02 If she needed to be somewhere for you and I was like on set. She would be gone to like, get you to the audition and then would be like, straight back on set, you know?
15:03 Alex Cooper? That, I feel like that's like the biggest key that when kids come out now, it's like, there's this like, missing element, which was kind of like, the parental figures.
15:11 Speaker 02 Yes.
15:12 Alex Cooper? And like, to give the parental opportunity to people that weren't the actual parents.
15:17 Speaker 02 Totally.
15:17 Alex Cooper? They are just looking at these kids like they're cash cows and really your own parent hopefully would be the one to be like, no, no, no, I need to have some guidelines for my kids.
15:24 Speaker 02 Right.
15:25 Alex Cooper? Is it true that you were going to possibly be Hannah Montana?
15:29 Speaker 02 I mean, yeah. I, I, I mean, it's funny like-
15:31 Alex Cooper? She had the offer.
15:32 Speaker 02 I had the offer and it was, Phil hadn't ended at that point. It was like, they knew that Phil, I think, was on the way out, or told us like, you know, we might not be doing a third season. And, and Gary, who, you know, was the head of, of the channel, Gary Marsh at the time.
15:47 Alex Cooper? And Rich.
15:48 Speaker 02 Um, yeah, was like, this pilot has come in and we think that you're really perfect for it. Um, and I just remember reading it and being like, wait, but I'm doing music as Ally. And this might be really confusing being Hannah and, and being the character also playing Hannah.
16:06 Alex Cooper? There actually would have been three of you.
16:07 Speaker 02 Three versions.
16:08 Alex Cooper? There would be three of you.
16:08 Speaker 02 It would be very confusing. And I was like, you know, how does AJ relate to this? And then they, they, I mean, they literally said, well then AJ could play the best friend part.
16:17 Alex Cooper? Lily.
16:17 Speaker 02 Lily, I think, yeah. So they were like, why don't you have, and I was like, but it feels like it's my show. It's not really like, the Hannah and Lily show. Um, and I think at that point too, I was probably,
16:29 Speaker 02 like, close to being maybe seventeen at that point. Um, which is funny too, cause like, we weren't on the channel for that long. Like, I, I booked Phil at thirteen and then by the time it was over, I was like, you know, whatever, sixteen and a half or something. So I was like, almost seventeen, I think, when that was offered. And I just remember thinking like, I've kind of done what I wanted to do here on the channel. You know what I mean?
16:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, and we had done cowbells. The music had aired a lot.
16:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
16:57 Speaker 01 On Disney Channel.
16:58 Alex Cooper? Cowbell.
16:58 Speaker 01 But I guess cowbells we were just starting to like dive into.
17:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, or like, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I did. You're right.
17:04 Alex Cooper? I mean, obviously, like, uh, that was meant to be for Miley. But that's so interesting how like those pivotal moments, obviously, like everyone was kind of up for certain roles that like it would have looked so different with you guys in that position versus her, obviously. Um, okay, is it true, AJ, that you had your first kiss with Joe Jonas?
17:25 Speaker 01 Yes, that is true.
17:26 Alex Cooper? Not me bringing up all the old stuff.
17:28 Speaker 01 I know, I'm like, okay.
17:29 Alex Cooper? We gotta go through it. We gotta go through it.
17:30 Speaker 01 In a bowling alley. It was so innocent.
17:32 Alex Cooper? Wait, a bowling alley?
17:34 Speaker 01 It was sweet.
17:35 Alex Cooper? That's so cute. And did you guys like date for a long time?
17:37 Speaker 01 We dated for a while. I don't, um.
17:40 Speaker 02 I mean, for like a young relationship, like over a year is, is pretty good.
17:43 Speaker 01 Year and a half, something like that.
17:43 Speaker 02 That's pretty solid.
17:44 Alex Cooper? That's a really long time.
17:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:46 Alex Cooper? I feel like I was so curious, like all of you guys were on such like different shows, but like this was kind of your high school experience.
17:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:53 Alex Cooper? So like, how did you guys all hang out and like meet on different shows? Like, what was the social dynamic like?
17:59 Speaker 01 Well, we met on tour. So the Jonas Brothers opened for us and that's when we started like, there was like a spark and I was like, oh, this would be fun. Like we started dating on that.
18:07 Speaker 02 Trying to make like something happen with like me and
18:09 Speaker 01 Kevin.
18:09 Speaker 02 Kevin. And I was like, it's not really vibing. And then, I mean, bless, but like,
18:13 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
18:13 Speaker 02 And then it was like, no, maybe you can like date the bass player, Greg. And I was like, no, it's still not vibing. And I mean, like, again, bless him too, but
18:20 Alex Cooper? Of course.
18:21 Speaker 02 But it just wasn't, I was like, no.
18:22 Speaker 01 You can't like force them.
18:23 Speaker 02 You can't force it. It was like natural that her and Joe had a connection.
18:26 Speaker 01 It was a natural.
18:27 Speaker 02 We were all buddies.
18:27 Alex Cooper? Of course.
18:28 Speaker 01 We were, and it was a really fun tour. Um, but I think beyond that, so like for me, it's like, we were homeschooled our whole lives. We didn't experience school dances. We didn't, but instead we had tour like at a really young age. Like to me, I wouldn't trade.
18:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, I wouldn't trade it.
18:42 Speaker 01 Any of it. Cause I'm like, our experiences on the road were so cool. And it's actually why I love touring as an adult.
18:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:48 Speaker 01 Cause I think it was ingrained in me at a young age that it was a really cool opportunity to have this moment to connect with your fans every night on stage.
18:54 Speaker 02 To like go on the road.
18:55 Speaker 01 And I love it.
18:56 Speaker 02 It's very natural for us.
18:56 Speaker 01 I think some people dive in as an adult and they're like, I don't want to be on the road. And we're like, we love it. Bring it on.
19:00 Alex Cooper? Right. You're like, this is all we ever know.
19:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
19:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's weird.
19:02 Speaker 01 So anyway, I wouldn't, yeah, there's nothing I would really trade back. I just wanted to finish that up.
19:05 Alex Cooper? That's an amazing answer. Okay. Did you secretly date your fill of the future co-star for six years?
19:11 Speaker 02 No.
19:12 Alex Cooper? What?
19:12 Speaker 01 Who said that?
19:13 Speaker 02 That's funny. Is this like a thing online?
19:14 Alex Cooper? Rumors online that you secretly dated Phil of the Future co-star for six years.
19:18 Speaker 01 Literally can attest, never even kissed. You guys didn't even.
19:21 Speaker 02 It was always a friendship.
19:22 Speaker 01 No.
19:22 Speaker 02 Although I remember like.
19:23 Speaker 01 He's also older than you.
19:25 Speaker 02 Well, and in that, that age range felt huge. Like I was 13 and I think he was 16. I think.
19:31 Alex Cooper? Oh, yeah. And that is huge.
19:32 Speaker 01 That's a big gap at that age.
19:34 Speaker 02 But I remember during the test, like when I tested for Phil of the Future and I saw that he was the other boy that was up for, I was like, he's really cute.
19:40 Alex Cooper? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:41 Speaker 02 And then of course you meet them and then you're like, oh, now we're just buddies and like.
19:44 Speaker 01 We actually became really good friends with his girlfriend during that show. Like he was dating.
19:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, that is true. Yeah.
19:48 Alex Cooper? Sweet.
19:49 Speaker 02 Yeah. So no, no, no.
19:51 Alex Cooper? Okay. We're clearing up all the rumors.
19:53 Speaker 02 That is so funny.
19:53 Alex Cooper? Years and years later. Okay. Um, obviously we know Disney was like very strict now that like everyone kind of like knows the deal. Were you able to experiment at all? Like normal teenagers, like have your first drink and like go to parties at all or no?
20:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:10 Speaker 02 For sure.
20:10 Alex Cooper? You did.
20:11 Speaker 01 Yeah. I feel like we had a healthy like teenage life.
20:13 Speaker 02 Yeah. But like, but we were like not party girls. Like for whatever that's worth. I think.
20:18 Speaker 01 The channel got very lucky having us under the umbrella.
20:20 Speaker 02 I mean, in a weird way, we should have been on for like 15 years because they would have been like, they're good. We don't need to be worried about that.
20:25 Speaker 01 No, it's true.
20:25 Alex Cooper? Keep going.
20:25 Speaker 02 Like, yeah, for whatever reason, we just were not like rebellious types, both of us. And I think maybe part of it was because we had each other.
20:32 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
20:33 Speaker 02 So it was like, we didn't have to act out and prove ourself to like our parents or it was just like, I don't know.
20:39 Speaker 01 Yeah. No, you're right. I don't even know what it is. It's like luck, I feel like.
20:42 Speaker 02 Maybe it's just luck.
20:43 Speaker 01 But also like Ally and I, this sounds kind of ridiculous, but when we got a little older, but we weren't quite like drinking age.
20:49 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
20:50 Speaker 01 People like kind of in LA started like trusting us as the girls that would like go into Ladue but not get hammered.
20:55 Speaker 02 They're like, let them in. They can have a, like.
20:57 Speaker 01 Like we knew some of the bouncers and they would just like mark our hand and they'd be like, we trust you.
21:01 Speaker 02 They're like, give them some Red Bull and like, they're fine.
21:04 Speaker 01 Like they're never going to be a liability.
21:05 Speaker 02 No, like truly. And we kind of, I mean, and that was during the height of all of those girls, you know, where you see everybody.
21:11 Speaker 01 Like if you want to have fun, do it right.
21:13 Speaker 02 But like, we were just fine. You were like, hi.
21:15 Alex Cooper? Hi, we'll just be like, no problem in the corner.
21:17 Speaker 01 And it's not being like a kiss ass. It was just like who we were.
21:20 Speaker 02 Who we were.
21:20 Speaker 01 Which I think is.
21:21 Speaker 02 Which I think then made people be like, oh my gosh, we're so darling to the Mashaka girls. Like they're just harmless.
21:25 Alex Cooper? Sweet.
21:26 Speaker 02 Yeah. That is pretty funny.
21:28 Alex Cooper? Everyone knows you guys as Ally and AJ, right? Like everyone, it's Ally and AJ. It's Ally and AJ. Have you guys ever resented that package deal concept?
21:40 Speaker 02 No, I think we've always
21:41 Speaker 01 Like the duo aspect of it?
21:42 Speaker 02 No, we've never resented that. I think the only thing that maybe we've been like, gosh, I wish we had had like a different band name.
21:49 Speaker 01 We just didn't think it was cool.
21:51 Speaker 02 We didn't think it was cool.
21:51 Speaker 01 Like as kids, we were like, why did we do the Ally and AJ thing? Cause now it's just like
21:54 Speaker 02 It's like, what's our names?
21:56 Alex Cooper? Yeah, it's very memorable.
21:57 Speaker 01 But no, the duo thing didn't bug us.
21:59 Alex Cooper? Didn't.
21:59 Speaker 02 No, no.
21:59 Alex Cooper? Like when you guys were growing up at all, obviously taking different projects and if like one was having more success than the other at a time, like how did you guys handle that as sisters? Cause I have a sister and I don't care what we're doing. Like we were competitive.
22:13 Speaker 02 Competitive.
22:13 Alex Cooper? You know what I mean? And like, we are always supportive of each other, but I do feel like naturally there can be moments where it's like, oh, like you're getting the better parts or you're getting the better roles. Or like, did you ever have moments where you had to like sit down and be like, let's talk this out?
22:28 Speaker 01 I think the only time where we felt like, okay, we're getting um, asked to go out for the same roles and we feel really strongly that one of us is really right for this. And would you mind standing down? Like I think there were a couple of times where we both got the same audition.
22:42 Speaker 02 Or, but usually one of us would come to the other and be like, I'm really not ready for this. You should just go out for this and I'm just gonna pass.
22:47 Speaker 01 And, and the other one wouldn't.
22:48 Speaker 02 And not even audition.
22:48 Speaker 01 That's happened before where we're like, we've just like said, okay, fine. You go for it. Like, by the way, it would never be between the two of us.
22:54 Speaker 02 But it would never be down to the two of us.
22:55 Speaker 01 Like our acting is so different.
22:56 Speaker 02 Yeah. I think our ages, our looks, our energy, like
23:00 Speaker 01 But we did get asked sometimes to go to the same audition.
23:02 Speaker 02 And I think some of that was just because of like, I don't know, that some, some parts kind of would overlap.
23:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:09 Speaker 02 Where it's like, you know, 20 to 22 to 25 and we're like, well, we're in that age range.
23:13 Speaker 01 But there was never a role specifically where I was like, wow, I really wish that had been me. And like, I kind of bummed it was out. Like never. Like for me, it was like, I thought it was so cool that she was like in Easy A and Hellcats and like, she's done great work and it always felt like it should be Ally. You know what I mean?
23:27 Alex Cooper? I mean, that's such
23:28 Speaker 01 And I always want it to be her over anyone else. So if I'm not gonna book it,
23:30 Speaker 02 Right.
23:31 Speaker 01 That'd be her.
23:31 Speaker 02 I'd rather than be a family member.
23:32 Alex Cooper? True. No, that's such like a healthy way to look at it. Cause anyone that has a sister, I'm like, I want my sister to win always. And I think there's, you're right. There's like, A natural also like aside from competitiveness, you're also very protective of your sibling being like, I want her to do the best. But I also think it's very like healthy that you guys are able to have that because I'm not in the same industry as my sister. Like, I can't imagine at some capacity, you guys are intertwined and there is a slight competition in light moments that, but that's kind of healthy that you guys are like, we didn't feel it that much.
24:05 Speaker 02 No, no. And like, if anything where it was, I mean, I guess you could call it competitive, it would be like if we liked the same guy.
24:11 Alex Cooper? Oh, yeah, let's talk about that.
24:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, that would happen every now and then.
24:14 Speaker 02 Happen every once in a while.
24:14 Alex Cooper? You guys had the same taste growing up?
24:16 Speaker 01 Similar, right?
24:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, similar. I would say, yeah, our tastes were very similar.
24:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, look at you guys adjusting now. You're like, I know, I know. Adjusting.
24:24 Alex Cooper? Wait, stop. So you guys at one point would like have a crush and how would you handle it?
24:28 Speaker 01 Well, neither of us would get that guy.
24:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was just like, yeah, neither of us, yeah.
24:31 Speaker 01 We just both would be like, we both liked him and both of us failed.
24:34 Speaker 02 Or like, I remember, this is funny that you asked this. We were making a record in New York, one that never ended up coming out. And we,
24:43 Speaker 01 We have 10 of those. No, I'm just kidding.
24:45 Speaker 02 No, just one.
24:45 Alex Cooper? But you're like, one day, maybe they'll come out.
24:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, two. And we were, we were feeling very cool. They were like, you know, living in New York for like a month, no parents, you know, I don't know. At this point, we were like 21 and 22 and 20, right? And every night, we were really obsessed with wanting to go out to all of these restaurants in New York. We're like, sometimes it didn't even make sense where it's like, girl, that's way on the other side of town.
25:09 Speaker 01 That's a 30 minute taxi.
25:10 Speaker 02 From Los Angeles and you don't know shit. So we would be like, okay, we're going to catch or whatever. And we went to this one restaurant called Revel. I don't know why I remember that.
25:18 Speaker 01 How do you remember that?
25:18 Speaker 02 Still around. And there was a cute guy that was our waiter and I left my number for him on the bill. And I told AJ and she was like, what?
25:27 Speaker 01 I was pissed. We left the restaurant. She was like, he was cute. And she's like, I know I left my number. And I was like, what? Like, you mean, I could have and I didn't?
25:34 Speaker 02 And almost like judging me that I had done that, you know, and like put my, like put my neck out. So dumb. But obviously, this guy never texted. Rude.
25:43 Speaker 01 He never calls.
25:44 Speaker 02 Meanwhile, I don't need to be competitive because he didn't come to you either.
25:47 Alex Cooper? We, I'm upset. And did you guys ever, ever, ever hook up with the same person at any point in your lives? Like overlap of like years later, you met up with someone.
25:55 Speaker 02 Like same kiss or?
25:57 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
25:58 Speaker 02 No.
25:58 Speaker 01 No.
25:59 Speaker 02 No, there's been a couple like.
26:01 Speaker 01 Close calls.
26:02 Speaker 02 Yeah. Where it was like, I liked that guy kind of. And then it was like, oh no, like AJ and him are kind of dating. And then it would be like over after six months.
26:08 Speaker 01 Or there was a moment where I like tested for something and the leading guy I thought was really cool. And then Ally actually ended up dating him later.
26:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
26:15 Speaker 01 But it wasn't like I was also with him.
26:17 Speaker 02 No, no, there's never been an actual crossover.
26:19 Speaker 01 No.
26:20 Speaker 02 Thank God. I mean, that would be kind of weird. We're so enmeshed in each other's lives already.
26:23 Alex Cooper? I know. It's like, you're literally like one in that concept. Like when I talk about, because my sister's four years older than me and we've never dated the same guy.
26:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
26:30 Alex Cooper? But even you talk about it incessantly with each other, like when you start dating someone, obviously. So it's like, I couldn't go to her if I knew that she liked the guy that I was.
26:39 Speaker 02 And she knows all the inside.
26:40 Speaker 01 How do you detail it out?
26:41 Alex Cooper? You can't.
26:41 Speaker 01 She's like, I know.
26:42 Alex Cooper? And it's different with a friend. Cause with, with a family member, I would be like, Catherine, you need to get over it. Cause I need to tell you everything. And she'd be like, okay, he was cute, but now I'm over. Okay. Go tell me everything.
26:50 Speaker 02 Yeah. Right. Right. Right. She did one time help, like literally held my hand while I broke up with a guy over the phone. I'm not kidding you. She was like, do you remember that? It was in Calabasas. You were like.
27:02 Speaker 01 I did.
27:02 Speaker 02 And I'm like on the phone with him being like, I really don't, this isn't right. Like I, and I'm like.
27:07 Speaker 01 And I'm like, you got it.
27:08 Alex Cooper? No, that is like literal sisterhood.
27:11 Speaker 01 So I mean, just throw me back to that bedroom.
27:13 Speaker 02 Isn't that funny?
27:13 Speaker 01 Calabasas.
27:14 Speaker 02 Calabasas. Yeah.
27:15 Speaker 01 Yes, we were Calabasas kids. I know.
27:17 Speaker 02 Before it was cool.
27:18 Speaker 01 Way before it was cool.
27:19 Alex Cooper? Love that for you guys.
27:20 Speaker 02 When it was a Johnny Rockets, you know, I mean, like we're that far back.
27:23 Alex Cooper? I love that for you. We, breaking up with someone is the worst feeling.
27:26 Speaker 02 The worst.
27:26 Speaker 01 It's sickening.
27:27 Alex Cooper? It's so hard.
27:28 Speaker 01 It's actually sickening.
27:29 Alex Cooper? But that's why I like people. Whenever I'm like, it's, there's nothing better than having a sister. And it's, I feel for my friends that are like, I never had a sister. I don't know what it's like. It's like, it's a friendship on steroids. Of like, you are literally going to kill for her.
27:43 Speaker 02 And it's different than a brother relationship.
27:45 Speaker 01 It's actually almost a diss to call it a friendship. It's like, no, this is living on another level.
27:49 Speaker 02 That's a great point.
27:50 Alex Cooper? It's like an extension of yourself.
27:51 Speaker 02 Yes. Yes.
27:52 Alex Cooper? It's so fun hearing you guys talk about your dynamic together. And obviously so much of what you're writing also goes into like love and your life and your family and but potential breakup song. I just have to ask the one question because I think it's like I saw Tik Tok. We're gonna, we have to make this Tik Tok and it's someone being like, you guys remember when those two sisters walked into the studio? And they really said this?
28:11 Speaker 02 I know this one. It's so funny.
28:12 Alex Cooper? To this day, still such an anthem. What inspired that song? No. You two?
28:18 Speaker 02 Not a real person.
28:19 Alex Cooper? Stop.
28:20 Speaker 02 It's actually the most like, it's the most anticlimactic.
28:24 Alex Cooper? We cringe. There's no real person. I need to pause you guys because the way you both just paused, I thought I was about to get like
28:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, no.
28:33 Alex Cooper? And you're saying it's like
28:35 Speaker 02 Record scratch?
28:36 Alex Cooper? It doesn't exist.
28:37 Speaker 02 It doesn't exist.
28:37 Alex Cooper? Okay, tell me though.
28:38 Speaker 02 I think we just were like, what if there was a guy that was such a, like, I mean, at this point, we were 18 and maybe younger, maybe 17 and 15 writing the song.
28:48 Alex Cooper? Which would be a day, but like very little.
28:49 Speaker 02 At this point, we had probably each had, you'd have probably two boyfriends. I'd barely had one boyfriend because I was way behind.
28:54 Alex Cooper? She was behind.
28:55 Speaker 02 Behind her.
28:56 Alex Cooper? Okay.
28:56 Speaker 02 So like
28:57 Alex Cooper? I'm like, she was behind. She was behind.
28:59 Speaker 02 So still a lot of the songs were like, living in a dream world of what we thought a relationship was like, because we were still really young.
29:06 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
29:06 Speaker 02 So to us, it was like, what if this guy was like so terrible that he didn't call you on your birthday and that you begged him to get your stuff back? And he like, wouldn't give it back. And then you just had to deliver it in a box at your house.
29:15 Alex Cooper? Clearly that's
29:16 Speaker 02 Like it's that.
29:16 Alex Cooper? It's literally like you two sitting on your bed together being like, genius, let's run it.
29:20 Speaker 02 Yes, let's go. But what's funny though was that we couldn't drive.
29:23 Alex Cooper? No guy.
29:23 Speaker 02 I do remember, I do remember we were young, we were young enough that we weren't driving.
29:27 Alex Cooper? Since there is no story behind it, tell me both of your like most brutal breakups.
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31:18 Alex Cooper? You can see all the delicious options at stouffers.com. We've got a lot of girlies that listen. How did you get through it? What was your most brutal breakup and how you got through it? Obviously, we're not naming names, but just like the concept, like have either of you ever been cheated on?
31:35 Speaker 01 I mean, yeah, I was cheated on. And I found out the guy was like... Hooking up with our really good friend at the time.
31:41 Alex Cooper? No, how did you find out?
31:43 Speaker 01 It like blew up the friendship and the relationship.
31:45 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
31:45 Speaker 01 I don't even know how it came out, but it happened in the Calabasas Commons parking lot.
31:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, and it was like, uh, it was terrible.
31:52 Speaker 01 And we were young, so it was like, obviously it hits hard no matter what age you are when you feel like, wow, I've been completely.
31:59 Speaker 02 But this was like a friendship, this was like a friendship, a girl friendship that was, was basically the breakup. It wasn't like the guy, if that makes sense. It was like, we had found out some stuff about her that made us feel like we didn't really know who she was.
32:12 Speaker 01 And we had been friends with her for like a long time.
32:14 Speaker 02 And that was truly the, the worst breakup. And it was a girlfriend breakup.
32:17 Alex Cooper? That's, those are the worst.
32:18 Speaker 01 And then we met, like, we're okay now.
32:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, like if we see her at a event or whatever, we like, we'll DM and stuff, but we don't like hang actively, which is kinda sad, cause it was a big part of our childhood, but like.
32:28 Alex Cooper? That is so gross.
32:29 Speaker 01 The guy, that guy was like, didn't even matter.
32:31 Alex Cooper? Right, you're like.
32:32 Speaker 01 It's just the concept of what happened with the friendship.
32:33 Alex Cooper? That's always the worst when like, understandably, people are like, don't blame the girl, blame the guy. And it's like, no, no, for sure. But if you were almost closer with the girl than the guy that you were dating.
32:43 Speaker 02 Yes.
32:43 Alex Cooper? That's where it's like, how do you recover from those moments? And then it gives you like full trust issues, cause you're like, how did I not know that? And you could like, hold my hand while I'm crying over this, and little do I know, I'm crying because of you.
32:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's sick.
32:56 Alex Cooper? Okay, Ally, go.
32:57 Speaker 02 Um, okay, I'm trying to think. Gosh, worst? Um.
33:02 Speaker 01 You haven't been cheated on, have you?
33:04 Speaker 02 I haven't been cheated on.
33:05 Alex Cooper? That's nice.
33:05 Speaker 02 Which is actually good. That is, that's good.
33:07 Speaker 01 I know, that's beautiful.
33:08 Speaker 02 That's good, that's good. I don't know, I don't know what that says about me.
33:10 Alex Cooper? Let's all clap for that.
33:11 Speaker 02 Um.
33:12 Alex Cooper? No trauma.
33:13 Speaker 02 Um, yeah, no trauma. Um, I, I'm trying to think of, hmm. I mean, I've had guys, I've, I've had more guys probably break up with me than me break up with them.
33:25 Alex Cooper? Okay.
33:25 Speaker 02 So I've been broken up with probably quite a bit.
33:27 Alex Cooper? Have you been blindsided by the breakups?
33:29 Speaker 02 I mean, I feel like I was blindsided many times.
33:31 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
33:32 Speaker 02 Like.
33:32 Speaker 01 Not many, but yeah.
33:33 Speaker 02 But, but a lot of them. It was like, you know, I was being broken up with because this person was like, a professional athlete and was like, I need to work on my job and like, you're a distraction. I'm like, bitch, I'm on a tour bus right now, you're a distraction.
33:47 Alex Cooper? I need to work on my job?
33:48 Speaker 02 Yeah, I know.
33:49 Alex Cooper? Wait, ridiculous.
33:50 Speaker 01 Do you know where you're sitting? That couldn't have been a direct quote.
33:52 Alex Cooper? No, no, that is the best direct quote I've ever heard. A professional athlete telling you, I have to work on my job. We, you know that I talk a lot about that.
34:03 Speaker 02 Yes, yes.
34:04 Alex Cooper? We, how long did you date?
34:06 Speaker 02 It wasn't that long, but it was very like, um. It was like a solid year. May- maybe, maybe a little. I don't even know.
34:13 Alex Cooper? What sport?
34:13 Speaker 02 Hockey.
34:14 Alex Cooper? Football.
34:15 Speaker 02 Football. I remember being really heartbroken by that. Now I'm looking back on it being like, no.
34:20 Alex Cooper? But to any of the girls that are like, I feel like around New Year, a lot of people end relationships. Cause I feel like everyone's like, oh my gosh, like I want to start fresh. I want to kick this person to the curb or I want to like, try something different. Like, do you have any advice when you look back at those relationships when people ended things with you? As hard as it was in the moment, now when you look back, like, give us some advice of how to get through those horrible blindsiding moments.
34:47 Speaker 02 Honestly, like having a couple of really solid guy friends was really helpful. Like, I would talk to them about this and they'd be like, this guy's a total loser. Like, absolutely not. And, and you know, of course you could say, well, of course you're saying that. They want to get with you. But these were like truly platonic.
35:02 Alex Cooper? Even if they do, okay.
35:03 Speaker 02 Even if they do, it's like, that guy sucks. But they were platonic relationships that were really, like, I would, I would be on the phone, like, talking to Dan.
35:11 Alex Cooper? Yeah, I knew you were gonna say him.
35:12 Speaker 02 And be like, can you believe this? And he'd be like, this is an absolute sign that this guy is not right for you. And like, he was only in it because he just wanted to like, sleep with you and be done and over the next, you know?
35:23 Alex Cooper? Thank you, Dan.
35:24 Speaker 02 Thank you.
35:25 Alex Cooper? Now let's hook up. No, I'm just kidding.
35:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, totally.
35:27 Alex Cooper? Um, okay, daddy gang needs some advice and I feel like all I'm getting from this entire episode is you guys are very wise and you've always been wise and you've always been like.
35:35 Speaker 02 Or like little Yodas?
35:36 Alex Cooper? No, literally, like, you guys, no, but actually, you guys have been like, people would let you into the club because they're like, Ally and AJ are gonna keep it real. You guys didn't lose yourself to fame. You didn't, you guys have like seemingly very normal lives and you're still so successful and you're still in the spotlight. So we need your advice, okay?
35:52 Speaker 02 Okay.
35:53 Alex Cooper? You want to end a friendship where you've been drifting apart? Do you have a breakup conversation with your friend or do you let it die out?
36:03 Speaker 02 I've done both. I've had more, if I'm being honest, I've had a couple die outs, not conversations. Where it's just kind of like, you kind of stop texting and then it's like. They also do. Yeah, and then it's like, you kind of are like, we both know this isn't right. Which is kind of a form of ghosting. It's not great.
36:18 Alex Cooper? I think you should have the conversation. When you had the conversation,
36:20 Speaker 02 It's bigger to do that.
36:21 Alex Cooper? Do you think those were more extreme moments? Like, did something?
36:24 Speaker 01 Yes, it can make it too big of a deal. But, but it was usually because it was based on something that happened that I was like, I can't really not see this now and it's here and let's talk about it. And this is why I can't go forward as a friend.
36:36 Alex Cooper? But I think that's good advice. It's like, you kind of have to gauge where you're at. If it's just like, you never really see each other anymore, but you have this like weight over you and they're not being that great to you, you can maybe let it simmer.
36:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, to me, some, some things don't need like a spotlight.
36:50 Alex Cooper? True.
36:50 Speaker 02 Sometimes, sometimes it's not like this big, huge fight. Sometimes it's like, I'm seeing some things about your lifestyle that doesn't gel with mine or,
36:58 Alex Cooper? Yes.
36:58 Speaker 02 Or that, you know, I don't know, you weren't there for me in these moments that I needed you. And it's kind of like showing your true colors and that's okay. We just part our own ways.
37:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:05 Speaker 02 That's like, sometimes that's part of just growing up and being a girl.
37:09 Alex Cooper? I think that's what's like been so eye opening as I've gotten older. Like, growing apart from friendships is so sad. And it's like horrible to look back at like some of my like high school friends that I'm not as close with anymore, whatever. Or just also like recognizing like, we really grew up and we are different. Or like, we live our lives differently. And that doesn't mean they're a bad person. You're just like, it doesn't mesh anymore.
37:31 Speaker 01 But it is sad when a part of your childhood in that way kind of dies. You're like, wait, I just said bye to a friend in a way that I know I'm not really going to connect with again.
37:38 Alex Cooper? And I think it's like, sometimes, yes, sometimes those are harder than actual breakups with men. Sometimes where you're like, shit, that hurt. But I think that's a good like bit of advice is like, you can do both. But I think, don't actively seek out a conversation if the person's gonna be like, wait, what, what are you talking about?
37:54 Speaker 01 It's too much.
37:54 Alex Cooper? If something happens, absolutely address it. But you can also like let something simmer if that's like the natural course of where it was gonna go anyways.
38:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, and it says a lot if both sides aren't really reaching out. Then it's like, the natural course was for it to fizzle.
38:07 Speaker 02 It kind of says, that says everything in a way.
38:09 Alex Cooper? Okay, you find out you were accidentally the other woman. Do you reach out to her or do you stay out of it?
38:17 Speaker 01 I'm the type that would reach out.
38:18 Speaker 02 I, I, yeah.
38:22 Alex Cooper? We're both breathing so heavy. We're all like, I'm like, yeah, I think I would contact.
38:27 Speaker 02 I think I would. I think I would. I.
38:29 Alex Cooper? I'd say I'm the other woman.
38:31 Speaker 02 I'm so sorry. I didn't know. Um, well, what's funny is that we've seen one of our girlfriends, our close girlfriends do that. And I, it was like, I was kind of being like, don't do this. This is cringe. Like, why is this such a huge message? You know?
38:46 Speaker 01 I don't know if she did it right.
38:47 Speaker 02 She didn't do it right.
38:48 Speaker 01 I think there's a way you can.
38:49 Speaker 02 I mean, I've said that to her face. Like, you didn't nail this.
38:52 Alex Cooper? Oh, she literally wrote like a paragraph. Yeah, no, no, no.
38:56 Speaker 02 And also then that girl is like, ah, yeah, right. Sure, honey, you know, and then making her look like she's crazy.
39:01 Speaker 01 Then it makes her feel like, are you making this up that you're really the other woman? Like?
39:04 Alex Cooper? Yeah, you look insane. Oh, this is really interesting. Yeah, I think a paragraph to ever start something off.
39:11 Speaker 01 It's bad.
39:11 Alex Cooper? You gotta go in shorter and just begin the convo rather than hit it hard where someone's like, oh my God, I need to like, read this tonight when I have time, like, and sit down and actually think about this. But, okay, so you guys would both say something?
39:24 Speaker 01 I would be like, I'm sick. I'm ill. Like, this, this happened. I need you to know. And I'm so sorry. Bye.
39:29 Alex Cooper? I kind of agree with that. Like, I feel like if you were not, again, clarifying, you didn't even know you were the other woman. If you were aware, like, then that's a completely different situation. That's like on you, but.
39:40 Speaker 02 Karma's on you.
39:40 Alex Cooper? Yes. But if you weren't aware, I kind of agree. Cause then even if she stays on her, you know what I mean?
39:47 Speaker 01 Totally. At least you had your moment to say like, this moment happened and I said my piece and like, I can live with that.
39:52 Alex Cooper? Love this. Yeah. If you knew one of your close friends was cheating on her husband, who you're also friends with, how do you handle that?
40:01 Speaker 01 That's really hard.
40:02 Speaker 02 That's really hard. That's never happened. Thank God. Has that ever happened to you? Maybe not husband or even boyfriend?
40:07 Alex Cooper? I have known, not husband, but yeah, I've known that there's like shadiness going on.
40:12 Speaker 01 And you're close to both of them.
40:13 Alex Cooper? Yeah. And I kind of stayed out of it.
40:18 Alex Cooper? Cause I just didn't know.
40:19 Speaker 02 Did dissolve on its own with with you staying out of it?
40:21 Alex Cooper? You know what's interesting is I'm not really that close with them anymore. So I don't know what happened. But I also think maybe that partially is because it was like bleeding into every part of their like when you're lying that heavily in your life.
40:32 Speaker 02 It bleeds into every other moment in your in your life.
40:34 Alex Cooper? Like she was more distant because she was being so cagey. But and then I was kind of like, I don't know. Oh, wow. Yeah.
40:39 Speaker 02 I think it depends on maybe who like, who's the OG friend? Is it? Is it her or is it the guy? Like, I don't know.
40:45 Speaker 01 If you met him at the same.
40:46 Speaker 02 I mean, if you met at the same time, it's it's hard.
40:49 Alex Cooper? It's so hard.
40:50 Speaker 02 I'd like to think I'd have the courage to say something or to be like, I don't know. Like, is everything okay? Like.
40:53 Speaker 01 Well, I want to think if I'm the same woman who's going to tell the person I was the other woman and didn't know until just now, I'd be that same person to say this. Like, I'd like to think those two ladies are the same person. You know what I mean?
41:04 Alex Cooper? Like bolts, like. I agree. I think what's hard sometimes in friendship dynamics is like, there's a lot of dynamics. I feel like you start to feel as you get older and there's cheating involved. I have found sometimes I'm not privy to all the information of these people's relationships. And a lot of times I'm like, oh, you kind of knew that like.
41:24 Speaker 02 I didn't get the whole side.
41:25 Alex Cooper? Yeah. So I'm like, if I'm super close, if it was my best friend and I'm fine, I'm hearing something, I'm telling her obviously and be like, I love you so much and I support you. I just need to tell you I know this. And then I'm here, whatever you want to do.
41:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
41:37 Alex Cooper? Cause I think it's half the time, the judgment that people feel when someone brings that information, they get so anxious, like, I have to leave him now or I have to leave her now. And it's like, I don't know. Sometimes I feel like it come off as judge you when you tell them. So I also think your delivery has to be like, I love you and I know this is so hard.
41:54 Speaker 02 But I saw so and so at this restaurant and this.
41:56 Speaker 01 And I'm leaving this information.
41:57 Alex Cooper? Yes, but I'm here for you if you want to talk and like, whatever you do, I love you.
42:01 Speaker 01 I think now in my thirties, that is how I would approach it. But it would take me a hot minute to come to that.
42:05 Alex Cooper? Yes.
42:06 Speaker 01 Like bravery of of like, okay, we're doing this.
42:08 Alex Cooper? You'd call your sister first.
42:09 Speaker 02 Yes. We would rehearse it. Totally. We'd rehearse it. I'd hold her hand while she says the conversation or we would go in person and I'd hold her hand in person.
42:16 Speaker 01 Thank you, Allie.
42:17 Alex Cooper? Um, okay. You accidentally send a screenshot of the conversation to the person you were gossiping about. How do you play it off?
42:23 Speaker 01 Ooh.
42:23 Alex Cooper? Have you guys never done that?
42:24 Speaker 01 Have you done that?
42:25 Speaker 02 You don't know.
42:25 Alex Cooper? Oh, my God, I have.
42:26 Speaker 02 Never done that.
42:27 Alex Cooper? Oh my god, in, in college, I was talking shit about the guy that I was seeing and I was like texting my friend and I was sunbathing. I was at Boston University. I remember exactly where I was laying. I was in my little bikini and it was so bright out and I was holding my phone up texting. And I was talking to this hockey player. He was so dumb and I was just like so over it. I screenshotted it. Send it to him being like hockey player wants me to go on his boat later. Like I'm gonna have to have like a couple of drinks.
42:59 Speaker 01 And it went to him. And then what he, what was his response? Was he like, um, well see now you can unset. I know. So we're in a good era for that.
43:07 Speaker 02 So now we're good.
43:08 Alex Cooper? And I, guys, I literally responded. I'm pretty sure like first I called my mom screaming like I, you guys, I am under the sun. I realize I do it. I'm pretty sure he responded like LOL at first, which is like actually kind of harmless.
43:21 Speaker 02 Like, oh, that's funny. This is a funny joke, right?
43:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, it shows how.
43:25 Speaker 02 You're like, yeah.
43:27 Alex Cooper? How it's not smart. You're like, I am hilarious. Yeah. No. And then I was like LOL. I'm just kidding. Like, I just can't decide if I want to come. Like, what are you thinking?
43:34 Speaker 02 Good job playing off. Did he, did he roll with it?
43:37 Alex Cooper? He completely rolled with it. Saw him later that night.
43:40 Speaker 02 Ooh, but that says even more.
43:41 Speaker 01 You did start the conversation saying he wasn't smart. So like.
43:44 Alex Cooper? Completely. Also, why did I go? I don't know. I was bored. You know what I mean? Also, I think it was an ego thing where I was like, I have to see this man to like make sure that he actually forgave me. Like this is insane that he doesn't recognize that I was completely shit talking him.
43:57 Speaker 02 I, I would be more likely for sure to do something like that. 100% it would be.
44:01 Alex Cooper? You would.
44:02 Speaker 02 Oh, 100%. Like, I'm actually surprised it hasn't happened.
44:04 Speaker 01 But it hasn't.
44:05 Alex Cooper? Twice. Wait, cause you're just like, you're gonna do some like clumsy shit where you're like, how did I get in this situation?
44:10 Speaker 02 Clumsy texter, clumsy emailer. Hello, you're on the wrong group chat. It's like, oh shit.
44:13 Speaker 01 There will be times where I'll like sidebar chat to her and I'll be like, just so you know, you're talking in a way that if this leads to more, you're in the wrong chat.
44:21 Speaker 02 The wrong, we're on the wrong track here.
44:23 Speaker 01 And she'll be like, oh.
44:24 Speaker 02 Thank you.
44:25 Alex Cooper? Totally. Thank you. That is kind of like younger sister energy, though.
44:29 Speaker 02 The correction officer.
44:30 Alex Cooper? I call my sister and I'm like, are you okay? And she's like, what? And I'm like, why are you sending that to the family group chat? We were just texting and she's like, oh, my gosh, I don't know. Like, yeah, I'm kind of.
44:40 Speaker 02 That is, yeah, that, that, that does track as younger sister.
44:42 Alex Cooper? It is. It is. It's like, we, we know everything, like, stay in line.
44:45 Speaker 01 Exactly.
44:46 Alex Cooper? Um, okay. Do you guys ever go on double dates?
44:48 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
44:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:50 Speaker 01 I mean, with our people now.
44:50 Speaker 02 With our guys now. But I don't think in the past, have we ever really done that in the past? I'm trying to think.
44:55 Speaker 01 Before Steven and Josh? No, I don't think so.
44:57 Speaker 02 I don't think so.
44:58 Speaker 01 It's become more of an adult, like.
44:59 Speaker 02 Yeah. Or it's been like three wheeling, where it's like two people on a date. And then I'm like, hey, I'm here hanging with you, having lunch, you know? Or vice versa.
45:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:06 Alex Cooper? Let's talk about Steven and Josh.
45:10 Alex Cooper? So serious. Ally, you met your husband when you were in your early twenties.
45:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
45:14 Alex Cooper? What made him stand out to you?
45:17 Speaker 02 I don't know. I just got a vibe, like, this guy is just different. Like, he's really deep. He's very mature. He's just, like, tapped into something.
45:27 Alex Cooper? Where'd you guys meet?
45:28 Speaker 02 We, we met on a set. He was the DP and I was the, like, lead actor in this, like, really tiny little indie. And I don't know, like, I just picked up this energy from him that,
45:42 Speaker 02 like, just instantly, I was kind of like, this guy is like, I'm like, safe with this guy. Like, I can really be myself around him and he's, like, artistic and he really cares about this project and how he's talking about it and how he is on set. He has very much like a leadership kind of energy, even though he was very young and it was the first movie that he was, you know, a DP on. So I don't know. I was just like, it was a meant to be thing. And at the time, I was seeing a guy that I was in, like, I call it like a kept relationship.
46:14 Alex Cooper? He was?
46:15 Speaker 02 Like, I couldn't get out. It was just like, he was a guy who was older than me. That I had, like, that I had lost my virginity to, to be completely honest.
46:22 Speaker 01 And I was like, girl, we gotta get rid of him.
46:23 Speaker 02 And I was like, I'm good. Like, it's, it's all good. Like, this is a sweet memory and moment, but like, we're, we're done.
46:28 Speaker 01 You did break up and he.
46:29 Speaker 02 And he was like, I made you a woman, like, bad.
46:33 Speaker 01 I bet.
46:33 Alex Cooper? He did.
46:34 Speaker 02 Ali is cringe.
46:35 Alex Cooper? No, it's cringe.
46:37 Speaker 02 It's really cringe.
46:37 Alex Cooper? We know. How long were you together with him?
46:39 Speaker 02 Uh, like a year, year and a, like a year and a half.
46:42 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
46:42 Speaker 01 I made.
46:43 Speaker 02 I know, I know. Well, you had an okay friendship with him in the beginning.
46:48 Speaker 01 In the beginning.
46:48 Speaker 02 It's someone that should have always been like a guy friend.
46:50 Speaker 01 Oh.
46:50 Speaker 02 Like never should have dated.
46:52 Speaker 01 Hundred percent.
46:52 Alex Cooper? We, for a man to say that he made you a woman, I will kill you.
46:56 Speaker 02 No, I know, I know.
46:57 Speaker 01 I know, it's gross.
46:57 Speaker 02 But the fact that I was like kind of chill, like almost kind of like a bro, like.
47:00 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
47:01 Speaker 02 This is nice, like, whatever, like, who cares? I lost my virginity to you. It's like, not that big of a deal.
47:05 Alex Cooper? And he like.
47:06 Speaker 02 Nothing so sentimental.
47:06 Alex Cooper? He like had it in his diary.
47:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was very much a big deal. Like, wow, I'm excited about this.
47:11 Alex Cooper? How did you end a relationship with him? Cause that's hard. Like to be like, someone that's clearly, he was more into it than you.
47:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
47:18 Alex Cooper? It was, you called it a kept relationship.
47:20 Speaker 02 Yes, I know, I know.
47:21 Speaker 01 I mean, you did end it and then remember he like convinced you to stay in it?
47:24 Speaker 02 To stay in it. So I like, I, we had broken up and then we got back together. And then I'm on this movie, like hanging out, you know, shooting in Sequoia National Park. We're all, we're all staying in these cabins at the base of the mountain. So like, after we would rap, we all would eat dinner together.
47:40 Alex Cooper? And hang out.
47:40 Speaker 02 And like hang out and like run lines or whatever. And, um, I just remember like, essentially like talking shit about him to people being like, I don't know. I'm like, I'm in this relationship, but like, I gotta get out of it. Like, you know, at this time, it was like, what? Uh, it was like November, beginning of November. So I was probably thinking like, you know, I'm gonna try to wrap this up and, and be on my way. But I knew that I had, I had agreed to do a movie that he was directing that was next.
48:05 Speaker 01 It was the next film.
48:06 Speaker 02 So I had to do this next movie with him as a director. And I broke up, I broke up with him at the beginning of the movie. I was so.
48:13 Speaker 01 But then had to be in it.
48:14 Speaker 02 But had to be in it.
48:15 Speaker 01 Directed by him.
48:16 Speaker 02 Yeah. And he would be kind of trying to be like, no, like we can make this work. And I was like, we're done. I, I really don't want to do this.
48:21 Alex Cooper? Wait, you're so strong for that?
48:23 Speaker 02 Brutal. It was not, I do not recommend doing that. I recommend just bailing out of the movie and not doing the movie.
48:28 Alex Cooper? True. But also that's like your career where you're like, yeah, like do I do it? That's tough.
48:32 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:33 Alex Cooper? We, that's also like, ladies listening, I have been in that situation before. When you try to break up with someone, anyone, whatever.
48:41 Speaker 02 And they don't let you go, okay? They literally won't let you.
48:43 Alex Cooper? And they won't let you.
48:45 Speaker 02 That means it's really bad.
48:46 Alex Cooper? Run.
48:46 Speaker 01 It's kind of like firing, it's kind of like firing someone that's like, you're not, you're not doing this.
48:51 Alex Cooper? I'm not leaving.
48:51 Speaker 01 What? But why would you want me now? Like if I'm firing you, you're not gonna be a good match.
48:56 Speaker 02 No, that's normal. Like there'd be like ups and downs. Like sometimes like you'll, you'll be in and out of love. I'm like, no, no.
49:00 Speaker 01 That ain't how it works.
49:01 Alex Cooper? No, when someone doesn't want you, listen to them and leave.
49:04 Speaker 01 Yes, believe them.
49:06 Alex Cooper? Oh my God. Okay. Wait. So when you met Ally's husband, like were you immediately, you like?
49:10 Speaker 01 No, in the beginning, I was like.
49:11 Speaker 02 I think she was a little judgmental, like there's some, she was like, there's some crossover that's happening here.
49:16 Speaker 01 I was a little judgy. I'm not gonna lie. Even though I knew Ally was gonna get out of it. I was like, you should have gotten out of it like six months ago and then you'd be like free and clear, but whatever. Um, but then.
49:26 Speaker 02 At least he turned into my husband, you know?
49:27 Speaker 01 True. He turned into the husband, so I'm happy and he's literally become like my brother. Like I love him and I have so much respect for him as a husband and a dad. Like to watch him as a father, like it's really beautiful. Um, but in the beginning I was like, I don't know about this guy. Like he was really shy. He was really quiet. I don't do great with quiet people, except for like when I was translating.
49:48 Speaker 02 Except for she's a translator.
49:49 Speaker 01 But like in general, like I'm like, come on, like let's go. Like let's have a conversation. Like I've got a really bubbly personality and he was just very quiet. He's like an intellectual. He's very, he's super grounded, super smart. And I think I felt maybe like a little like, okay, here's this like Ivy League guy. I'm not gonna be able to like carry a conversation with him. He's probably smarter than me. Like I think I was intimidated.
50:07 Alex Cooper? I get that. And again, back to what we were saying with sisters. It's like, you're so protective and you have to look for her blind spots.
50:15 Speaker 01 Yes.
50:16 Alex Cooper? That's how I am with my sister. Like she's dating right now and I'm like, no, what is going on and what it like? Cause I'm just like, I want the best for her. So naturally it is your job almost to be like, I don't like you until you prove that I should like you.
50:28 Speaker 01 Yes. And then he did. And I was like, I love him. Although two years later, when he proposed, I like sobbed.
50:34 Speaker 02 Oh yeah. And you knew before.
50:35 Speaker 01 Yeah. I got so, not because I wasn't happy for Ally. I literally felt like, I'm like, I'm gonna lose my sister, I think. Like I had this weird, unrealistic idea that a marriage meant that me and her.
50:46 Speaker 02 Would be over, yeah.
50:46 Speaker 01 Like I literally went up, we were living together in Laurel Canyon and we were sharing a place and I went upstairs. I lived in the top loft and I like closed my closet door and I sobbed. I was so happy for her, but at the same time I was like, I'm literally gonna lose my sister. And it didn't happen at all.
50:59 Alex Cooper? Of course, here we are.
51:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, here we are.
51:01 Alex Cooper? I do think that's really relatable. Like I've talked about this with my siblings, especially like around the holiday season. You get to spend more time with your family. And it is kind of like sad when you start to get older and adults and do all the things that adults should be doing. And your core family starts to expand. And it's like now you're creating your own family.
51:20 Speaker 02 Right, and your own memories and traditions.
51:21 Alex Cooper? And it's so sad, but exciting, but I relate to that a lot of like, as we are all growing older, you're like, we, I want to hold on to my siblings and what we had in our core. Don't grow up and don't leave me. But really, it's more just like, there's now more memories and there's more fun.
51:37 Speaker 01 Yes, it adds to it.
51:38 Speaker 02 You mourn that a bit.
51:39 Speaker 01 Nothing dies.
51:40 Alex Cooper? No, but I get why you would freak out because like I'm the same way.
51:43 Speaker 01 You're gonna, on the wedding night, like God bless our dad, but like he, we were doing like a dance, even though it was a father daughter dance later down the road, it wasn't my father daughter dance. You had had yours, but I was like later dancing with dad and I was like, this is a really sweet moment. And dad goes, honey, how are you doing? And I was like, I'm really happy for them. Like I feel really good about this. And he was like, that's awesome. You know what? You lost a sister, but you gained a brother. And I was like.
52:05 Speaker 02 What the?
52:06 Speaker 01 Huh?
52:07 Speaker 02 I mean, it's saying.
52:08 Speaker 01 It was everything I had cried about.
52:11 Speaker 01 He didn't mean, my dad just, our dad talks like that. And I was like, huh?
52:16 Speaker 02 You're like, wait, come again?
52:17 Speaker 01 You're like, dad?
52:19 Alex Cooper? This is why I'm getting mentally unwell for the past couple of years.
52:23 Speaker 01 Yes, unwell, but this is also the same man, love you dad, shout out to dad and mom, great people. This is also the same man who like lost his father a few years ago and Steven never got to meet him, our grandpa. And literally at the funeral told Steven.
52:36 Speaker 02 Funeral because I was working.
52:37 Speaker 01 At the funeral told Steven, I want you to meet my dad.
52:40 Speaker 02 And he was dead in the.
52:40 Speaker 01 But he's in the, like that's.
52:42 Speaker 02 Like we're just, we're not, we're not totally.
52:43 Speaker 01 Like that verbiage is interesting.
52:44 Speaker 02 It's just interesting.
52:45 Speaker 01 You're like, dad? I want you to meet my dad.
52:48 Speaker 02 It's no longer casket.
52:50 Speaker 01 You want to shake his hand.
52:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, I don't know how. Wait, you were there to witness it.
52:54 Speaker 01 I was there.
52:55 Speaker 02 You said that Stephen handled it as.
52:57 Speaker 01 Stephen handled it so well. He was like, okay, Mark.
52:59 Alex Cooper? Stephen's like, Mark, I am gonna meet your dad and we're gonna hit it off over here. Stare to the open casket.
53:06 Speaker 02 But dads can say some really, really wack stuff.
53:08 Speaker 01 It's unwell.
53:09 Speaker 02 You're like, whoa.
53:09 Alex Cooper? The more and more they get older, dads, you have to smile. My dad has been saying some crazy, love you dad, some crazy shit lately. I'm like, huh? Love you dad?
53:20 Speaker 01 Love you dad?
53:20 Alex Cooper? You gotta just laugh.
53:22 Speaker 01 Happy holidays.
53:23 Alex Cooper? Happy holidays. You're all insane.
53:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
53:25 Alex Cooper? Um, okay, AJ, you have a boyfriend?
53:28 Speaker 01 I do. It's been six years. Yeah.
53:31 Alex Cooper? How did you guys meet?
53:32 Speaker 01 We met at a film festival in Napa.
53:34 Alex Cooper? Oh, yeah.
53:35 Speaker 01 Um, Ali and I, I know it was actually bougie. Ali and I had made a film with her husband that had gone to the Napa Valley Film Festival. And he had produced and starred in a short film that was shortlisted for an Oscar that year that was also premiering at the film festival.
53:47 Alex Cooper? Oh, wow.
53:48 Speaker 01 And it was an amazing short film. And him and I met and like, there was like a spark, but at the time he was with his girlfriend there and I was dating someone in Canada.
53:55 Alex Cooper? Classic.
53:56 Speaker 01 I loved long distance for a while, which was just really an odd phase.
53:59 Speaker 02 Really on that kick.
53:59 Speaker 01 Um, and, and I just was like, gosh, I'm gonna know this guy for a while. And I don't know how or why, and it's gonna happen at some point. But I remember he was wearing this like lumberjack, red, black flannel. And I was just like, this guy is hot and he's like salt of the earth vibes. And then down the road, a year later, he was single, I was single, and we connected on Instagram.
54:20 Speaker 02 And we needed somebody in the music.
54:21 Speaker 01 In our video.
54:22 Speaker 02 Or take me.
54:23 Speaker 01 I cast him in our video.
54:25 Speaker 02 In our, in our video, because we were playing vampires.
54:27 Alex Cooper? And you're like, you.
54:28 Speaker 02 And you were like, can we kill you in a video? He's really hot. He should be in the video. Like, let's have him in it.
54:32 Alex Cooper? Wait, what was your first impression? How did you meet him? When did you meet him?
54:35 Speaker 02 I met him at the, at the festival.
54:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think you did.
54:38 Speaker 02 Okay. Because maybe, was there like a crossover? Were you on a panel or something together? I think, yeah, yeah.
54:42 Speaker 01 I think so.
54:43 Speaker 02 And then we did the, the video shoot and he was like super down. And then we had a couple girlfriends come and also be victims. And they were like down to just kind of like hang out for the day.
54:52 Alex Cooper? When they started dating, were you protective or no?
54:55 Speaker 02 I don't know. What do you feel like?
54:57 Speaker 01 I feel like because. You already had Steven in play for such a
55:02 Speaker 01 you've lost some of that because you're set and you're like, she's got this.
55:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think maybe when I AJ was younger, I was more protective or more like, who is this guy like? What are you after? Are you actually a loser and you're just like hiding it really well? But, but I feel like I've always been on like, good terms with most of the guys that you've dated. Like kind of a friendly banter. Maybe not as much where you've been, been like friends with my.
55:26 Speaker 01 True, in a way I've been more judgmental about who she's dated than the other way around.
55:32 Alex Cooper? I'm like, you're a fucking loser. You don't deserve my sister. My sister's like, Alex, I've gone on two dates with this man. Ran into him on the street in New York. This wasn't even a planned meeting. I'm like, back off.
55:44 Alex Cooper? Okay, I'm like, yeah, that's a nightmare to have me. Your parents are divorced, right? How do you guys think their divorce informed how you approached your romantic relationships in your adult lives?
55:55 Speaker 02 If I'm gonna speak for AJ, I think that.
56:00 Speaker 02 I think, I mean, we, we kind of do in general. Maybe a bad habit, but um, I, I think that AJ as the little sister vibes was more like heartbroken. And took it really bad.
56:13 Alex Cooper? What age did they get divorced?
56:14 Speaker 01 Nineteen and twenty one.
56:17 Speaker 02 Nineteen, twenty one. So like, in a way, you're old enough to know exactly what happened, all the details. Like, I, I think there's a, there's a positive and a negative to it, but I think for us.
56:27 Speaker 01 I was shattered.
56:28 Speaker 02 It helped that I was on a TV show and I was living by myself alone for the first time out in Vancouver. And so I was just focused on that and you were like left to be at home with my mom, still all of us at that point were living together. And you were kind of mourning the divorce a little bit with her. So I think in a weird way, you like carried some of that trauma with you. Where I was kind of like, bye, I'm off shooting the show for eight, nine months.
56:53 Speaker 01 When you wrapped, we ended up living together. We lived with our mom while she kind of dealt with getting her life back together after the divorce. Like we, it would ended up being like a home of three women.
57:01 Speaker 02 It was like three's company, but just, just ladies.
57:04 Alex Cooper? No, that kind of stuff, like I know can like, you're right, affects people. Different ways, literally down to like logistically where you were at in the middle of your parents getting divorced can play such a role in like how it genuinely affected you because you got to be essentially removed.
57:18 Speaker 01 Correct. Yeah, that's a good point.
57:20 Alex Cooper? Did you notice anything with like how that affected when you started to like engage in romantic relationships?
57:25 Speaker 01 There was infidelity with what happened. We're actually like super close with both parents and I was able to forgive our father and like I actually feel like we're in a great place now, but at the time it was really hard for me. And I think when I was dating people, I immediately had this trigger that like they're gonna cheat on me. Like they're gonna like, because how could that happen after 23 years of marriage? Like, I feel bad talking about it because I love my dad, but like it really was one of those things that became a trigger point that like didn't really need to be there. Like no one needs to be assuming you're being cheated on. You just feel like you've seen it now. So you're like, it's gonna happen.
57:54 Speaker 02 It's more possible.
57:55 Alex Cooper? I also think like
57:58 Alex Cooper? that's such an interesting dynamic because I could be sitting here with someone that had their parents get divorced when they were like six and it fucked them up.
58:03 Speaker 01 Right.
58:04 Alex Cooper? I, it is interesting hearing you guys talk about because I know this is a very, very, very relatable topic, which like I have a friend that has a similar situation to you guys with your parents. When you are that age and you're very deep and about to begin to explore your romantic adult relationships, to have a foundation that was like pretty, it seems like pretty solid for your whole.
58:27 Speaker 02 Well, people would be shocked, you know, to find, to find out like, wait, what? The Machaca family? They're, they broke up?
58:32 Alex Cooper? So your reality was so like disrupted. I can imagine that. Yes. Like then you're like, wait, if I can't trust like my dad, then I can't trust any of these men. When really again, it's like they're doing this for the first time too. And that's their relationship or whatever, but it affects you.
58:47 Speaker 01 It does.
58:48 Speaker 02 Girls. But I don't think it's like, or at least I didn't feel like it turned me off from marriage or not believing in marriage for whatever reason.
58:56 Speaker 01 No, no, I agree.
58:57 Speaker 02 I think we still like believed in the idea of it and, and I don't know. I think we always felt like, okay, there is a, there is a, a chance that you can actually have a successful marriage in this day and age. You just got to really work on it. And I think if I'm.
59:14 Speaker 01 They stopped working on it.
59:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, they stopped working on it. If I'm gonna be the, the little Yoda that I am in my heart.
59:19 Alex Cooper? Bring it, here we go.
59:20 Speaker 01 That I am in my heart.
59:21 Speaker 02 I love it. I love you. I'm joking, but I do love Yoda actually. The child really is who I'm obsessed with.
59:28 Speaker 02 I think that not working on.
59:33 Speaker 02 The relationship between the mom and dad like is is the whole end of the marriage because everything was poured into me and AJ and that was almost like a scapegoat. And then it was like, oh, we don't work on ourselves. We're not going to be in therapy. We're not going to do these things. We're not going to make sure that you are flown out on tour every, you know, two and a half weeks.
59:54 Speaker 01 Instead, we're going to pride ourselves being the parents that were really there for the two kids in the industry.
59:58 Speaker 02 But then it's like, but then your guys' relationship falls apart, which then affects us.
1:00:02 Alex Cooper? Right. That's interesting. I saw someone recently talking about when people just become their identity as being a mother or a father. It's like, you can't just be one thing. Like, what's your identity to yourself? What's your identity to your partner? And that's how you lose yourself if you're just one. I wonder, like, obviously, how old is your child?
1:00:23 Speaker 02 He's, he'll be eight months. I mean, I guess when he's when we, when this is out, like, he'll be, you know, almost nine.
1:00:29 Alex Cooper? Oh, my God. How has like that concept of like recognizing still needing to pour? Because you're in the thick of it right now. Like, you've got basically a newborn. How have you tried to like work with your partner to make sure you guys are good? Even in the excitement of having like a new child and that's all you want to talk about?
1:00:46 Speaker 02 Well, I think, I think making moments where it can be the two of us, or even if like our kid is around. It's like, okay, well, he's like asleep right now. We can still kind of have like a little date night and go out to dinner and put him in his little stroller. And like, it can still be romantic or we can put a movie on or we can get away to our favorite place in Big Sur. And it can be not just all about the kid, you know?
1:01:08 Alex Cooper? No, your son is so adorable. Like, when he was at tour, I was literally like, this is the most calm baby. I literally walk into your dressing room. He's here?
1:01:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, you can see him. I see him after, yeah.
1:01:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:18 Speaker 02 Yeah. He's in a little, he's not in a matching. We couldn't get miniature, but he's in a little sweatshirt.
1:01:22 Alex Cooper? You would have tried. You would have tried. No, I'm obsessed.
1:01:25 Speaker 01 The merch team was like, we can't get that turned around.
1:01:27 Alex Cooper? They're like, please calm down. You're like, okay, fine. Um, okay. Before, we're going to go through now. I want to do new music and we're going to play one last game because I think it's fun because sister dynamic.
1:01:51 Alex Cooper? Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Airbnb. So the other day I was just scrolling on my phone and one of those one year ago today notifications popped up. I usually don't pay much attention to them, but when I saw it was from my Napa trip with Lauren. I obviously had to go back through every single photo. I remember we drove up to Napa for a weekend and found the cutest farmhouse on Airbnb to stay in. The location could not have been more perfect. It was right by a vineyard and overlooked this beautiful golf course, which yes, Matt was very jealous of. During the day, we went wine tasting like a little cute couple.
1:02:36 Alex Cooper? Then we brought our favorite bottles back to the house at night for cozy, long girl talks on the couch. Obviously, I haven't had a drink in forever since being pregnant, so I cannot wait for wine nights again soon with my girlfriends. And now that holiday travel season is finally here, all of my group chats are going off with everyone trying to coordinate dates and just figure out where we're going to stay and where we're going to go next. But looking back through those photos reminded me that some of the best parts of a trip happen back at the house, right? Like, that's why I love booking a home on Airbnb. It literally gives everyone space to just spread out and it makes every trip feel more relaxed.
1:03:20 Alex Cooper? You can even order groceries, which I love, for your trip through Airbnb and have everything from breakfast essentials to holiday snacks delivered after you arrive. If you're planning your Thanksgiving trip or any holiday travel this season, definitely check out Airbnb before you book. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Stouffer's. Let me tell you something. When I am hungry and I am trying to figure out what to eat, sometimes you can just actually become so, you're angry. You're like, I am busy, I'm hungry, I'm getting hangry, I'm getting angry. What can I eat? I need something hot and delicious and low maintenance. Well, introducing Stouffer's dinners are not only delicious, they're done in
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1:04:24 Speaker 02 I don't know. Maybe, maybe AJ. She'll splurge on more like, um, like a skincare thing, or like doing like, like your nails. Your skin is beautiful.
1:04:33 Speaker 01 Thank you. Facials, massages.
1:04:35 Alex Cooper? Yeah. Oh yeah, the spa, the spa.
1:04:36 Speaker 01 We both love a spa, but I, I tend to like, maybe do it a little too much.
1:04:40 Alex Cooper? I was gonna say that, like, the most, like, what is the luxury thing you can't live without? The spa?
1:04:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, facials. Like every, like, three weeks.
1:04:47 Alex Cooper? Well, it's paying off. Like, literally.
1:04:49 Speaker 02 AJ does, you have great skin.
1:04:50 Alex Cooper? Oh my, stop.
1:04:50 Speaker 02 Do you ever have bad skin, like, as a teen?
1:04:53 Alex Cooper? Yes. Oh my god, yes. So like, I will take all the compliments. No. Oh my god, you guys, I had like full Accutane when I was younger.
1:04:58 Speaker 02 Oh wow.
1:04:58 Speaker 01 Really?
1:04:59 Alex Cooper? But it was just like very hormonal and then like I got over it.
1:05:02 Speaker 02 And then it was gone.
1:05:03 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:05:03 Alex Cooper? And now like, here we are.
1:05:05 Speaker 01 Blowing.
1:05:05 Alex Cooper? Facials. Um, okay, who is more likely to take a secret to the grave?
1:05:10 Speaker 01 Me.
1:05:11 Speaker 02 Probably AJ.
1:05:12 Alex Cooper? AJ. Yeah. You just smiled so big, AJ. You're like, give it to me.
1:05:16 Speaker 02 That is true. AJ, that, AJ.
1:05:17 Speaker 01 I'm like, come on bitch, it's me.
1:05:18 Speaker 02 But I'm pretty good at keeping a secret.
1:05:19 Speaker 01 No, you are, you are.
1:05:20 Speaker 02 But with each other. Like, like, to the grave together. Do you know what I mean? Like, you tell us a secret. That's not, I know. But it's like, it has to be between the two of us.
1:05:28 Alex Cooper? Who is more likely to pick a fight between the two of you?
1:05:31 Speaker 02 I mean, we both can pick a fight with each other. Pretty like
1:05:35 Speaker 01 Quickly.
1:05:36 Speaker 02 Pretty quickly, if it's the right subject matter, you know, the right thing. If it's like, we're disagreeing on something like how something was handled. Like AJ will be like, you had a bunch of typos in this one business email. I'm like, who cares?
1:05:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'll correct the correction office.
1:05:49 Speaker 02 Like she's like, she will, she's like, you're, you're, you're writing an email like you're texting, you know, like
1:05:53 Speaker 01 I'm like, this is sloppy. This isn't good for our business.
1:05:55 Speaker 02 I'm like, okay. I'm like, sorry, like that, you know?
1:05:57 Speaker 01 But that's not even a fight. But like, I usually start something sooner, I feel like than you do.
1:06:01 Speaker 02 That's probably true. Yeah. AJ's maybe a little more fiery.
1:06:04 Alex Cooper? Love. If you had to say, what is your biggest pet peeve about each other?
1:06:09 Alex Cooper? I just like start a full fight.
1:06:10 Speaker 02 Full fight on this podcast.
1:06:11 Speaker 01 Oh my gosh, I have it.
1:06:13 Speaker 02 Wow.
1:06:14 Alex Cooper? Oh wow.
1:06:15 Speaker 01 Ally started doing this in the last like year, very consistently. I actually don't think I have addressed it with you.
1:06:19 Alex Cooper? Oh my god.
1:06:20 Speaker 01 Where she'll go, maybe you could do that.
1:06:22 Speaker 02 Like, yeah, you're right. It's me. It's me.
1:06:24 Speaker 01 She'll start a sentence that she's asking you to do something, but instead it's like, maybe you could get that bottle. Like for Jack, or like, maybe you could get that. You know what I'm talking about?
1:06:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:06:32 Speaker 01 I don't know how you word it exactly. I think it starts with, maybe you could.
1:06:35 Speaker 02 Oh, interesting.
1:06:35 Speaker 01 And it's like, you want me to?
1:06:37 Speaker 02 You want me to, or I could maybe do it?
1:06:38 Speaker 01 The question and I'll do it.
1:06:40 Speaker 02 Okay. So I should just be asking the question.
1:06:41 Speaker 01 Just ask.
1:06:42 Speaker 02 Or just be like, get me this.
1:06:43 Speaker 01 Can't stand it.
1:06:44 Alex Cooper? Get me the.
1:06:44 Speaker 02 Get me this.
1:06:45 Speaker 01 I mean, I'd rather you just say like, do that.
1:06:47 Speaker 02 Get the burp cloth.
1:06:48 Alex Cooper? Maybe you could.
1:06:49 Speaker 02 Maybe you could. Oh, interesting.
1:06:51 Alex Cooper? Oh, that's infuriating. That drives me nuts.
1:06:53 Speaker 01 That's a good one.
1:06:54 Speaker 02 That is a great one.
1:06:55 Alex Cooper? Okay, your turn.
1:06:56 Speaker 02 Ooh, AJ. Um, hmm. Okay. We both are OCD and we know this about each other, but AJ loves to reorganize an area that I've already kind of pre-tried to organize, knowing that AJ doesn't like something moved.
1:07:11 Speaker 01 That's true.
1:07:11 Speaker 02 Like the shoes or something. I'm like, okay, she'll like it in this corner.
1:07:13 Speaker 01 I love things lined up like perfectly.
1:07:15 Speaker 02 And it's like, the shoes are just in a different corner, but they're still, they're still on the ground.
1:07:18 Alex Cooper? And you're like, I literally cleaned for you.
1:07:19 Speaker 02 I'm like, I cleaned for the OCD, like just trying to get ahead of it.
1:07:22 Speaker 01 But that's OCD. You can't.
1:07:24 Speaker 02 Right. It's the beauty.
1:07:24 Speaker 01 It has to be your way.
1:07:25 Speaker 02 You have to, your way might, doesn't make any damn sense, but it's your way.
1:07:29 Speaker 01 Even if you move it and put it back.
1:07:30 Speaker 02 Yep. Nothing logical. It's like this pile of clothes.
1:07:32 Speaker 01 You're lucky I did not reorganize this bookshelf.
1:07:34 Alex Cooper? I can't imagine what you're feeling in this room.
1:07:37 Speaker 01 It's only in my own space. That's what's weird. It's never in someone else's, ever.
1:07:41 Alex Cooper? Who is the first to usually apologize if you guys are coming back from a fight?
1:07:45 Speaker 02 Probably AJ. Yeah.
1:07:47 Speaker 01 Ally, I don't even remember the last time you said I'm sorry.
1:07:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, I'm not good at saying it.
1:07:51 Speaker 01 She does not apologize.
1:07:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's true.
1:07:53 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:07:53 Alex Cooper? No, you said, but you're, you said you're usually lightly starting it and then you're ending it.
1:07:58 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:07:58 Alex Cooper? Love that for you.
1:07:59 Speaker 01 I'm a closer.
1:08:00 Alex Cooper? Um, you guys, your new music. Okay, we're here. Let's talk about it. You have a new album coming out and a single. The single is coming out on?
1:08:08 Speaker 01 January 10th.
1:08:09 Alex Cooper? Love. What is it called?
1:08:10 Speaker 01 What It Feels Like. We were supposed to do that at the same time, but it's not.
1:08:13 Alex Cooper? Yeah, yeah, let's do it again. Ready? What is it called?
1:08:15 Speaker 01 What It Feels Like.
1:08:16 Speaker 02 Wait. Fuck.
1:08:19 Speaker 01 And five, six, seven, eight. What It Feels Like.
1:08:23 Alex Cooper? Gorgeous, gorgeous. Okay, talk to me about this album. What is the inspiration behind the music?
1:08:28 Speaker 02 I mean, this record feels like it's never been more us. Obviously, every single album, you're hoping to achieve, you know, that 10% better, right? Each time, just like you would with like each, you know, season of the show. But I do feel like we've really stepped into like our womanhood on this album. And I think part of that is, is I think just seeing that this music has been so informed by our live show and touring and playing songs to a live audience and with our band that we've now been playing with for a few years has really helped us identify, okay, this is the kind of
1:09:09 Speaker 02 music we want to put on a record and what we want to then go out and tour. So I think it's looking at it from like, the live show is the, the top of the pyramid and how do we get to the live show? And I think a lot of this music was created with people that we felt really safe with and was, while I was like heavily pregnant. I mean, I guess we started writing it right before I got pregnant. And then really the whole making of this album has been either me pregnant and then delivering and then album is finished and delivered itself.
1:09:44 Alex Cooper? Oh, my God.
1:09:45 Speaker 01 Yes. Her water broke in like day two of like pre-production.
1:09:48 Speaker 02 Production at her house.
1:09:50 Speaker 01 At my, yeah, in the guest room.
1:09:51 Alex Cooper? Wait.
1:09:52 Speaker 01 At like 6 a.m.
1:09:52 Alex Cooper? That's kind of like beautiful.
1:09:53 Speaker 01 I was texting with Steven.
1:09:54 Speaker 02 It was very, it was very us.
1:09:55 Speaker 01 I'm like, what's going on in there? He's like, I think her water broke. I was like, what? We just started the album.
1:09:59 Speaker 02 And then I got really nervous, thinking OCD. I was like, she's gonna be pissed because this water is on her bed and on the ground.
1:10:05 Speaker 01 Not when it's like your child.
1:10:07 Speaker 02 I know.
1:10:07 Speaker 01 Although that is pretty funny. Ally's like, clean it up.
1:10:09 Speaker 02 I was like, clean it, clean it, get the, get the rags.
1:10:12 Alex Cooper? We, oh my god, we, okay, so how long was the writing process of this album?
1:10:19 Speaker 01 The writing was finished. So I would say the writing took a solid year.
1:10:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
1:10:23 Speaker 01 Before we really were ready to be like, these are the 15 songs we want to record. We're very like,
1:10:28 Speaker 02 Like just, maybe just under, maybe just under a year.
1:10:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:10:31 Alex Cooper? This is a hard question. What is your favorite song off the album?
1:10:35 Speaker 01 That's hard. I'm so happy with this record, but I really think my number one is Michael's song. We wrote it about a really dear friend of ours that we had worked with in the industry for years and he passed away last year. And we were like, we have to write about this.
1:10:47 Speaker 02 And we were on tour.
1:10:48 Speaker 01 We were on tour during the funeral. We weren't able to come. Our parents came on behalf of us, which was really sweet. We're really close to his daughter and his wife, literally like a longstanding member of the Allianz.
1:10:58 Speaker 02 Like the longest running team member.
1:11:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:11:03 Speaker 02 For us, like, you know, so it was like, it was kind of almost like a father figure. You know, so it was very hard to come to terms with it. And then we, we felt like this could be a song, you know? And it's so specific, like when you listen to the song and you read the lyrics, you're like, oh, this is, this is very specifically about.
1:11:21 Speaker 01 It's like the very last time we saw him and not knowing, of course, it would be the last time.
1:11:25 Speaker 02 It was like our last dinner.
1:11:26 Alex Cooper? But I feel like that's such a powerful message because everyone has experienced grief. So they'll be able to like, transport themselves probably when they're like, the last time they saw whoever it was to them that they lost and they, what is your favorite?
1:11:38 Speaker 02 Honestly, it's kind of a tie between two. And I think it's because it has to do with my son. And then the fact that I was leaving Laurel Canyon to then live in Santa Barbara, like away from AJ. And I wrote, I basically wrote this song with AJ about, like moving into this new house and this new space and it not feeling like a home. And feeling like I was kind of like summoning it to be this, this place that I felt welcomed in. And not, not like it had like bad juju or vibes. I just was like, this isn't perfect and this isn't right. And I want to change out this doorknob. And my husband was just like, okay. And I'm like pregnant and like nesting and I'm just like frantic. Like fix this, this needs to be fixed.
1:12:22 Speaker 02 And it just and and I was like, you know what? This would be a good song like willing this to happen and to make this space a home. And I really love AJ's, the way she sings the bridge on on that song. The song's called, I don't know what it is. And and I think that song, just whenever I listen to it, it's almost kind of healing because I'm finally at a place where the home doesn't feel like
1:12:46 Speaker 01 A shell?
1:12:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, like a shell. It feels like, oh, this is a place that has good memories and I associate like my birth and I birthed in this living room right here. And this is, this wasn't traumatic. This was all kind of what I hoped it would be. So
1:12:59 Speaker 01 That's beautiful.
1:13:00 Speaker 02 Yeah. So I think it's like the the the end story of it is really great, but it was very much me struggling to find my identity within the home. And then the other song that's like, maybe equal to that is a song called Dandy Lines, which is about Jack. And we kind of wrote this pre him being born, which is crazy. So
1:13:17 Speaker 01 Knowing he was coming.
1:13:18 Speaker 02 Knowing he was coming and that we wanted him to like have this message of hope and like whatever dreams we're not able to reach, he is more than capable of reaching them himself, you know?
1:13:28 Speaker 01 That is And hopefully each generation reaches more.
1:13:30 Alex Cooper? Oh, my God, how crazy and cool that you guys like one day like your son will get to watch you perform a song about him live and listen to it and have it forever. Like, that's such a beautiful gift.
1:13:43 Speaker 01 That is the power of songwriting.
1:13:44 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
1:13:45 Speaker 01 It really is. I think the other thing about specifically songwriting, and it's funny because I'm learning constantly about music we've actually already written, but I'm learning new things about what we've written after the fact. Like to me, when a song takes on a new life, but it had a different meaning when you wrote it.
1:13:59 Alex Cooper? Yes.
1:13:59 Speaker 01 Like, I don't know what it is. Now, when I listen to that song and I picture your home, which you've now created from the ground up as like a beautiful nest. I'm like, whoa, this is so different. Than how we came at this song, writing it, thinking we're splitting up as sisters. We're no longer going to live in the canyon by each other. We're like, what are we doing? We're going to be torn apart. And it's like,
1:14:17 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
1:14:17 Speaker 01 No, we're just shifting into other parts of our life.
1:14:20 Alex Cooper? Right now, that song is like, shows your growth because you're like, now your house is a home and now you're so happy.
1:14:25 Speaker 01 This is what I love how songwriting teaches you something, but you wrote it. Like, and a year later, you're listening to it differently.
1:14:31 Speaker 02 It's kind of prophetic in a way.
1:14:32 Alex Cooper? That's really cool.
1:14:33 Speaker 02 It is prophetic. How songwriting is.
1:14:34 Speaker 01 It is.
1:14:34 Speaker 02 And I think with this record, there was so much like feminine energy around it. And I think part of that was me being pregnant. But then part of that was us just Going through the growing pains of like, we are getting older and we don't live down the street from each other. And we, this, like, we aren't living in our childhood, really, anymore. We're, we're out of that.
1:14:52 Speaker 01 And we're not in our twenties anymore, which we just got reminded by an executive.
1:14:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, literally.
1:14:57 Speaker 01 Stop.
1:14:58 Speaker 02 No.
1:14:58 Speaker 01 We went to have a meeting, like, I'm not kidding, like a label meeting.
1:15:01 Speaker 02 Literally like last week.
1:15:02 Speaker 01 The, the note was like, we love the record. We think it's amazing, but like, we're not here to break women in their thirties. Like, we're here to break pop stars in their twenties.
1:15:09 Speaker 02 So we need to be like 21 or something? I was like, I'm 35.
1:15:11 Speaker 01 I'm 33. I was like, we're still young as hell. And I was like, now I'm reminded that we're not somehow.
1:15:16 Speaker 02 After the meeting, she was like, I'm sorry, I just, I have to kind of like, like, not after the meeting.
1:15:19 Speaker 01 I had to process.
1:15:20 Speaker 02 After we had heard that it was a no. So it was like, you know, we did the meeting and then it was like, you know, whatever it was, two days later, it was like, oh, a call is coming, you know, and we're kind of going, okay, well, I want, I hope it's like positive. And then that was the feedback. And he was like, I just need to sit with this for a minute.
1:15:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, because I'm like, I've never even thought of myself as not being in the zeitgeist of like a young.
1:15:38 Alex Cooper? Is the music good or no? Like, what does it have to do with how old I am? And it's like, how many times do you think they've said that to a man? Probably never.
1:15:47 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
1:15:47 Alex Cooper? They're not trying to break a, what?
1:15:49 Speaker 02 I know.
1:15:50 Speaker 01 I know. Also, I'm like, we're not horses.
1:15:51 Speaker 02 And, yeah, yeah.
1:15:52 Speaker 01 You don't need to break us. And we've broken.
1:15:54 Speaker 02 And also, I think part of it was, besides, you know, like you said, the, the, the fact that it's maybe not ideal age for breaking an artist, whatever, in the music industry. I think part of it was also like, the album was completed and done. They couldn't meddle and change stuff.
1:16:12 Speaker 01 Because it was finished.
1:16:12 Speaker 02 Because it's finished. It's not like, hey, here's some demos. And they're like, oh, yes, we love track one, no to two, three, and six.
1:16:18 Alex Cooper? Change this sound.
1:16:19 Speaker 02 And then you're like, no. And they were like, you know, and we wouldn't maybe go down this route, like, sonically for you. I'm like, like, us playing music and writing the music? Like, what, what do you mean?
1:16:27 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, it's wild.
1:16:28 Alex Cooper? So it was, though, a blessing that you guys did it on your own.
1:16:31 Speaker 01 And you don't want to work with someone that doesn't want to like, doesn't want you in the way you are exactly at right now. Because clearly, you guys said, you have other records that you never put out. This feels right to you. So go with what feels right.
1:16:43 Speaker 02 It, it's, it's, it's a message that, that is very pure and what it is. There's no, like, gimmick behind it. So they're not like, oh, I can like.
1:16:51 Speaker 01 It's harder to sell sometimes.
1:16:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's harder to sell something. Because they're like, what's the shtick? And it's like, just we're sisters, we play music, we write, we've been doing this since you were young.
1:16:58 Alex Cooper? But I think that's like, the best part about you guys. Like, I have to say.
1:17:04 Alex Cooper? Growing up and listening to you guys, you have such incredible voices, but hearing you perform live at my tour, I remember like pinching my best friend Lauren, being like, their voices are so beautiful. Like, literally, you guys have like such incredible voices. And what I appreciate about you guys and about this album is actually more like that it is real. It is obvious when people have not written their music and when they're told to wear the certain thing and look the certain way, just kind of like you guys are describing, you would go into meetings and you feel people trying to shift and mold you into something that you're not. And I think if people are looking for something in their life music wise, that's actually going to connect them to the real shit that they're going through. This is more of the album. I think like people right now are
1:17:49 Alex Cooper? more interested in than maybe, who knows?
1:17:51 Speaker 01 No, but yeah, I think so.
1:17:52 Alex Cooper? Sure, you can love pop, but like, I really think that you guys are connecting to something that people are loving, which is authenticity. So.
1:17:58 Speaker 01 It's exactly what your show is about.
1:17:59 Speaker 02 Yeah. And I feel like people gravitate towards that, you know?
1:18:03 Alex Cooper? Yes.
1:18:04 Speaker 01 That's why this show works.
1:18:05 Speaker 02 Yeah. Because it's speaking to the truths of how women talk and how women feel and how we communicate with our friends.
1:18:11 Speaker 01 You knew that was a missing piece.
1:18:12 Alex Cooper? Yes.
1:18:13 Speaker 01 Was it really going on?
1:18:14 Alex Cooper? I think it's so exciting to see you guys like back at it. And I think it also is such a testament to like your ability to be critical of yourselves, to be like, we didn't put out certain albums because it didn't feel right and we weren't ourselves. And so the fact that like, this is all you, this was done at a very incredible, vulnerable, emotional time in both of your lives. Like, I think that the world is going to be so, so, so excited to hear it and they're going to love it. So I'm so excited for you guys. You are so lovely as human beings. I know we haven't spent that much time together, but like, I feel like I now know you guys enough to be like, you guys are real ones. So thank you so much for taking the time during the holidays and coming and sitting down with me. You guys are the best.
1:18:54 Speaker 01 Happy New Year.
1:18:55 Speaker 02 You could be a little.
1:18:56 Alex Cooper? Oh, I'm putting it on.
1:18:58 Speaker 01 You're an honorary.
1:18:59 Alex Cooper? We look like we're related.
1:19:00 Speaker 02 You're the youngest sister.
1:19:01 Speaker 01 You are, you are the youngest.
1:19:02 Alex Cooper? I'm coming. I'm coming in. I'm going to put it on. Love you guys.
1:19:04 Speaker 01 Love you too.
1:19:04 Speaker 02 Thank you.
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