Apple M6? S27 Leaked? It's Gadget Season!

A lot happened this week! First, Marques, Andrew, and David give final thoughts for the Pixel 11 series before getting into the Samsung Galaxy S27 Ultra. Then it's all about the new Apple chips and Mac computers. We wrap it up with anew Google Fitbit x Pokemon band and the Nothing OS 5.0 launch. It's a fun one! Join the Fantasy Premiere League! https://fantasy.premierleague.com/leagues/auto-join/gigg8r Links: Android Headlines x @Onleaks - S27 Ultra Leak Google - Fitbit Air x Pokemon Sleep ⁠News.com.au: Robot fails Nothing - Nothing OS 5.0 This episode brought to you by: Granola AI: https://www.granola.ai/waveform Airbnb: https://www.airbnb.com Framer: https://www.framer.com/wave Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/waveform Follow us on socials: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:39Speaker 01

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• 1:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Name five Pokémons. That aren't Pikachu.

• 1:04Speaker 03

  Charmander, Charizard, Snorlax.

• 1:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Whoa.

• 1:09David Imel?

  Deep cut.

• 1:10Andrew Manganelli?

  You're already further than I thought.

• 1:11Speaker 03

  Mewtwo.

• 1:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:13Speaker 03

  And.

• 1:16David Imel?

  The one you always say first.

• 1:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, there's one that we all.

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Pikachu.

• 1:21David Imel?

  No. No, there's one that you always say.

• 1:24Speaker 03

  That I always say?

• 1:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:26Speaker 03

  I do?

• 1:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:27Andrew Manganelli?

  At least in David and I's minds.

• 1:29Speaker 03

  Green. Oh, was that Bulbasaur?

• 1:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:32Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.

• 1:33David Imel?

  Good job.

• 1:34Speaker 03

  Wait, when do I ever say that?

• 1:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marquez.

• 1:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 1:46David Imel?

  And I'm David.

• 1:46Speaker 03

  We're all finally back in one room. Took a few weeks, but we did it.

• 1:50David Imel?

  We did it.

• 1:51Speaker 03

  We're back. And right on time for Techtember. Technically, it's not yet Techtember as we record this. But in today's episode, we have Pixel 11s, Apple launched the M6 chip, the M5 Max, the M5 Ultra. We have Nothing OS 5 and somehow also our first render slash leak of the Galaxy S27 Ultra. So if it's not Techtember, it's at least gadget season, we're back.

• 2:16Andrew Manganelli?

  If that's not the most SEO intro we've ever done.

• 2:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:19Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know what is.

• 2:20Speaker 03

  That's true. Pixel 11 Pro.

• 2:22David Imel?

  Nintendo Switch 2.

• 2:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:24David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah, I took, I took stock of all the things that are coming up in the next like month or so. And it's, it's gadget season's back, baby.

• 2:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Your screenshot gave me a heart attack.

• 2:33David Imel?

  Yeah, it was a little, it's a lot of stuff. We're gonna have a lot of one out of tens on this podcast in the next few weeks.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  It's gonna be good. If you want to keep up with all this stuff, I would highly suggest hitting the little subscribe button. I almost said little red subscribe button, but it's not red anymore. But hit the subscribe button so that you're, you know, first to be updated when all the stuff gets talked about. But first, does anyone have a, did they even test this?

• 2:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I do. And I already confirmed that this is also an issue with Adams.

• 2:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:59Andrew Manganelli?

  But I looked at your, anyways. My YouTube subscriptions tab on mobile.

• 3:04David Imel?

  On Android.

• 3:05Andrew Manganelli?

  On Android.

• 3:06Speaker 03

  I can already tell you they don't test that.

• 3:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I want, I'm really mad that right now that number one thing showing is, oh no, it kind of went away. You can still kind of see it. I have a recording of it, but the.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  Padding.

• 3:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Padding.

• 3:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Is super messed up.

• 3:22David Imel?

  Like zero pixels.

• 3:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Right now, so before it was showing shorts first. The three like vertical shorts on top, the bottom of them were touching the thumbnail of the video underneath. And then as you scroll through, look how close the channel names are to each next video. Actually, here, wait, look at the shorts.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's kind of like.

• 3:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you see this?

• 3:45David Imel?

  It's bad.

• 3:45Andrew Manganelli?

  It's touching.

• 3:46David Imel?

  They're touching.

• 3:47Speaker 03

  And it's a pixel. It's a pixel too.

• 3:49Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a pixel.

• 3:50Speaker 03

  Best case.

• 3:50Andrew Manganelli?

  And so on your Pixel, not an issue, right? Your iPhone not an issue?

• 3:55David Imel?

  On my iPhone, yeah.

• 3:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Can you look at yours?

• 3:58David Imel?

  It's bad again too, though.

• 3:59Andrew Manganelli?

  It looks fine? What is happening?

• 4:01David Imel?

  iPhone, but on Adams' Pixel, it's.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  There's no update available for that?

• 4:05Andrew Manganelli?

  I can't find it again. Like, it's not happening now, but when we checked this morning, it was happening.

• 4:09David Imel?

  Subscriptions tab, right?

• 4:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes, and I can, I can swipe away, totally close YouTube.

• 4:13David Imel?

  Bring it back.

• 4:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Open it back up and I'm still doing the exact same thing.

• 4:18David Imel?

  Maybe one random build.

• 4:19Andrew Manganelli?

  It's back. It's about, yours is doing it, okay. I had to make, this was one that was like, felt so specific, I had to check with someone else. But the fact that Adams is doing it too.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:27Andrew Manganelli?

  It looks awful. Sorry, that like made me so bad.

• 4:31David Imel?

  What I looked at yesterday.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Also, when I kept checking last night for it to work, every time I reopened YouTube, it just reopened it as a short playing, which was really weird.

• 4:39Speaker 03

  Oh, that's happened to me before.

• 4:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Why?

• 4:42Speaker 03

  It's weird that they kind of seem to treat like the Shorts feed and the YouTube app as like, not separate, but as different instances. So if I have a long form video playing and then I open a short, it will full screen play the short. And then when I leave the short, the long form video instantly resumes. Has that ever happened to you?

• 4:58David Imel?

  Whoa.

• 4:58Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  They're like two different instances.

• 5:00Speaker 05

  That happens to me, but it doesn't always work. Like, I'll, not every time, but a lot of times the long form will just keep playing while the short is playing.

• 5:07Speaker 03

  That's happened, and I can tell it's not supposed to do that.

• 5:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  But yeah, that's happened to me as well. Yeah, and so that sometimes gets kind of weird.

• 5:15David Imel?

  Yeah, I don't really watch YouTube Shorts at all. I know they've had a lot of growth, but I don't really watch them at all.

• 5:20Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 5:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  That's actually pretty impressive. It's hard to avoid. They're kind of shoving your face in the app.

• 5:26David Imel?

  Yeah, I guess I don't watch a lot of YouTube videos on my phone. And when I do, I have the screen off. So.

• 5:34Andrew Manganelli?

  It's funny, most of the YouTube I watch on my phone is, is Shorts. And then longer form stuff I watch on my TV.

• 5:39David Imel?

  Yeah, I watch, I watch YouTube videos on my projector and that's about it.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  I forgot how weird all of our YouTube watching is.

• 5:44Andrew Manganelli?

  It's very strange.

• 5:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, you watch it on, in your pocket with the screen off, you watch it on a projector, you watch it.

• 5:50Andrew Manganelli?

  On TV.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  On a TV.

• 5:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I do screen off in the car to listen all the time.

• 5:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Or I do Shorts.

• 5:56David Imel?

  Every video is a podcast.

• 5:57Speaker 03

  I don't do any of those things.

• 5:58Speaker 05

  You want to talk about weird YouTube? I, I opened my YouTube app and I'm two hours and nine minutes into a three hour and 49 video. You want, you want to know what the video is? It's the 1995 American League NBA LBS, game five.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  Like uninterrupted broadcast?

• 6:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, Yankees at Mariners.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 6:15David Imel?

  Nice.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, we all have very different ways of using YouTube. I'm about to get on a flight this afternoon and I have downloaded a bunch of videos, but it's a Starlink flight, so I didn't have to.

• 6:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, you still should. I will never fully trust internet on a plane.

• 6:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, last time I got on a plane, it was like, never mind, we don't have Starlink. And you were like, damn it. Yeah, if you get on a United regional flight that's, that has Starlink on it, I promise you don't need to download anything.

• 6:40David Imel?

  Promise.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  I promise. It's, it's phenomenally fast.

• 6:43David Imel?

  I just want to play Dota on.

• 6:44Andrew Manganelli?

  How much does it cost?

• 6:45Speaker 03

  Free.

• 6:45David Imel?

  It's free.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  It's, yeah, you know what's funny? If you don't have Starlink, it costs $8. And if they do have Starlink, it's free.

• 6:52Andrew Manganelli?

  So it's $8 for pretending you have internet?

• 6:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, the bad wifi.

• 6:57David Imel?

  And for the amazing wifi, it's free.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.

• 7:00David Imel?

  It's crazy.

• 7:01Speaker 03

  I had somebody blip me something while I was on flight. I forgot, a couple of flights ago, I got a blip and I accepted it and it was fine.

• 7:06David Imel?

  Part of me wants to.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  What was the blip? It was from, I think Harper captioned a short and like blipped it to me while I was flying.

• 7:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 7:12Speaker 03

  And I downloaded it.

• 7:13David Imel?

  I thought it was a random person.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  No, no, no, yeah, it was great.

• 7:15Speaker 05

  There's a reason it feels like if you, if someone on a plane blips something to someone else on another plane, it would make the plane crash. I, I don't know why, but my brain is just like.

• 7:24Speaker 03

  The flights like sync up and like fly the same direction.

• 7:26Speaker 05

  I don't know what it is, but.

• 7:28Andrew Manganelli?

  You could play RuneScape on the plane now. I might have to start playing RuneScape again.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 7:33Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a perfect plane game.

• 7:35Speaker 03

  I saw somebody FaceTiming.

• 7:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I don't want to do that.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  You're not supposed to.

• 7:39Andrew Manganelli?

  You're not supposed to FaceTime?

• 7:40Speaker 03

  But you can.

• 7:40David Imel?

  You're not supposed to do video calls or even audio calls on planes?

• 7:43Speaker 03

  I think you're not, you're just not supposed to have it on speaker.

• 7:46Andrew Manganelli?

  That's just because it's annoying to other passengers.

• 7:48David Imel?

  Supposed to even do any kind of audio call. I think that, that's a rule. Yeah.

• 7:53Speaker 03

  With Starlink, people have been breaking that rule.

• 7:56David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, your YouTube glitch on the Pixels is reminding me that we all have lots of pixels here in this room. And we haven't actually finished talking about our final thoughts on Pixel 11s. So we might as well do that. Pixel 11 lineup thoughts.

• 8:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  My full review is in the works. So if you want that detailed deep dive and cinema, stay tuned for that. But I have been daily driving the Pixel 11 Pro in matte black for, by the time you hear this, close to three weeks, I think.

• 8:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Pro or Pro XL?

• 8:27Speaker 03

  Pro XL, good call.

• 8:29David Imel?

  And I went back to the regular Pro this year and I usually use the XL. So I kind of was wishing I was using the XL, to be honest.

• 8:35Speaker 03

  It's another one of those phones that I really like and will not be recommending to almost anyone ever.

• 8:43Speaker 03

  It's funny, we've talked about in the past how the Pro phones are harder to recommend because of how good the base phones have gotten.

• 8:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 8:50Speaker 03

  It's more true than ever. The Pro phones have less RAM than last year's Pro phones. They start at the same amount of RAM as the regular phone, so they're even closer together. You still have three cameras, you still have a bright display, you still have all this stuff. The reason to spend an extra $200 or whatever it is for the Pro phone, matte black rails, I guess, like a slightly better set of cameras.

• 9:12David Imel?

  Better cameras, faster night sight.

• 9:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:15Andrew Manganelli?

  You guys are forgetting. Highlight.

• 9:17Speaker 03

  Highlights, yeah.

• 9:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Feature.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  So highlight isn't a good reason to buy the Pro.

• 9:22Andrew Manganelli?

  I give you five reasons to buy the Pro. Pink, green, white.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Whatever the other two colors.

• 9:28David Imel?

  I don't know. This makes my eyes bleed.

• 9:30Speaker 03

  It's a very bright.

• 9:31Andrew Manganelli?

  That's the fuchsia one?

• 9:32David Imel?

  Yeah, this isn't a non-Pro fuchsia.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:35David Imel?

  It hurts.

• 9:35Speaker 03

  It's a nice color.

• 9:37Andrew Manganelli?

  I like it.

• 9:38Speaker 03

  It's a nice guy. It's a commitment to the color, too. It's not just like, oh, we heard you liked color, so here's a splash of we were thinking.

• 9:45David Imel?

  Touching this phone, so this is the standard Pixel 11. It reminds me how much I wish they would put the matte rails on all of the Pro color phones.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  I do, too.

• 9:54David Imel?

  On the, on the black, it's cool. I'm glad that they committed to the bit.

• 9:57Speaker 03

  Appreciate that.

• 9:58David Imel?

  Yeah, appreciate that. Definitely didn't do that just for you, of course. Uh, but I would really like this, like on the green and on the, on the like dune color. I don't know. It's, it's, yeah. Yeah, so why, why do you not want to recommend these phones to anybody? Just because they're so similar and because last year is like almost better in some ways?

• 10:18Speaker 03

  So it's specifically the upgraded phones over the base. So the only one I could really recommend to most people is the Pixel 11.

• 10:25David Imel?

  Okay.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  The Pixel 11 is now eight. It's $900 now.

• 10:28David Imel?

  Eight ninety-nine.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  Um, and for a $900 phone, like you can get a lot of phone. You can get a OnePlus 15. You can get a Find X9 or whatever. Like, there are lots of really nice phones with crazy multiple cameras and super fast charging batteries and all this stuff. Uh, but if you're getting a Pixel, it's because you want the Pixel experience. You want all of the software, Android 17 out the box, all that stuff. And that's great. And you get it. And the hardware is fine. But the second you start thinking about, oh, I might want to get the Pro or the Pro XL or the Pro Fold. Well, you have to find another couple hundred more dollars of value in that. And I don't see that in those phones.

• 11:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 11:05Speaker 03

  Especially not the Pro or the Pro XL.

• 11:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  Even though I like using them and they're totally fine phones. So that's the general thesis. The Pro Fold is like back to being fine because all the folds are expensive. And it has the IP68 angle. It has the Google Software Experience angle. So there are reasons you could get that phone.

• 11:27David Imel?

  And it looks cooler. The camera bar is cooler this year.

• 11:29Speaker 03

  It's nice to use closed, too. I like it.

• 11:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 11:32Speaker 03

  Um, but yeah, it's, it's, they're fine phones.

• 11:35David Imel?

  I have a question. Did you use Gemini Intelligence a lot when, during your testing?

• 11:39Speaker 03

  Not any more than I was on any other phone.

• 11:42David Imel?

  Okay, because I was like pressure testing the hell out of it. And Gemini Intelligence, for people that don't know, is like the experience where randomly a little Gemini chip will pop up on your screen when it thinks it can do something for you. So one of the examples is like, if you want to make a reservation at a, if someone texts you and they said, did you make that reservation at this restaurant? That a little chip will pop up. It's like, make the reservation. A couple of things. One, the animation they show on their website is completely different and way cleaner than the actual process that happens when this happens. Number two, the thing that actually happens is this little chip pops up. You have to have OpenTable installed. It only works for OpenTable.

• 12:24David Imel?

  You have to go into the settings of the phone and then go to the Gemini Intelligence, uh, proactive assistance. And then you have to go and you have to click OpenTable on. So everything's off by default. Which generally I'm like opt-in is better. In this case, the fact that they don't really tell you which integrations work with Gemini Intelligence, like there's not really a list. And then you have to go in and just manually tick on every single option. And then the process of making it work is just so convoluted. Like you'll, it'll be like, make a reservation. You tap a button. The only way to make this chip pop up if you, is if someone texts you and says, can you make a reservation at this place at this time?

• 13:07David Imel?

  If they do, on this day, so it's, it's either date or time, but it's this place and date or time. And if they do not say those exact two things in the text, it will not pop up.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:20David Imel?

  And Google doesn't tell you what you need to make these chips pop up. So, and also, I don't know. My other angle on this is like, if someone's going to text you to ask you to make the reservation and you're going to have your AI do it, why don't they just have their AI do the reservation? You know what I mean? Like, why would you text someone else and say, can you make this reservation and just set it, instead of just on your Gemini phone, just being like, make the reservation?

• 13:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I think they're assuming the person is just like, you were like, oh yeah, let's go there. I'll make a reservation. And now they're just being like, oh, did you make it for this time? Which is like, there's a couple.

• 13:55David Imel?

  Narrow use case.

• 13:56Andrew Manganelli?

  It is a very narrow use case. It's also funny because, what, three or four years ago at, uh, I/O, they were telling us about how like, our phones would be able to call places and make reservations.

• 14:08David Imel?

  That was like a long.

• 14:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, with no, and that didn't work because no restaurant person wanted to talk to the robot that called them.

• 14:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:15Andrew Manganelli?

  And now we're like, oh, now if someone texts you exactly the date and time and place.

• 14:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Maybe if you have this app installed with these permissions checked off.

• 14:24David Imel?

  That you checked.

• 14:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Our AI might be able to get it.

• 14:27David Imel?

  Yeah. Here's another, here's another funny one. Okay. So another integration with Gemini Intelligence is that if you have a grocery list on Google Keep.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  I do.

• 14:37David Imel?

  Yes, okay.

• 14:38Speaker 03

  I know that that's not common, but I do.

• 14:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I make a guess at what I want this to be before you tell me?

• 14:43David Imel?

  Sure.

• 14:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Because I have like, you said this exactly.

• 14:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:47Andrew Manganelli?

  If it could ask which grocery store I'm going to and rearrange it based on the aisle numbers at that grocery store. That is my like number one thing I want to do. So whatever you say now will disappoint.

• 14:59David Imel?

  Not even close. Like, I'm going to tell you how this works. So the only like, it has like some grocery integrations, but it's like got Costco and it's got, um, Instacart. Okay, you have to have these apps installed on your phone. You have to have a grocery list in Google Keep. It can't just be called grocery list. It has to be called like Instacart or something. The, the, the title of the keep, the Google Keep, like list has to be like Instacart shopping list or like something or like Costco shopping.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  That's dumb because when you add a, something to the grocery list, it has, that means you have to have a list in keep called groceries.

• 15:35David Imel?

  Yes.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  So it's a different list.

• 15:37David Imel?

  I, you know, we, this might not be the same forever, but when we were testing this extensively, we had it just called Grocery Shopping List and it didn't work. And we changed it to be called Instacart Shopping List and then it did work.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 15:50David Imel?

  So you have to have a shopping list in Google Keep, which is already really specific. And it has to be called something specific so that Gemini Intelligence can know that it's a shopping list, even though it apparently can't just be called Shopping List. And then it will like suggest meals based on the things that you have in your shopping list. So it'll open up Instacart and like, be like, you should buy these items. It's just like, the, the, the way that I put this in my review was like, it feels like these were made in the like Silicon Valley society if utopia factory. Where some CEO was like, I want to do 5% less work. So this extremely specific set of scenarios and use cases that I have in my life, we're going to ship for everybody.

• 16:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I would almost even say it feels like

• 16:40Andrew Manganelli?

  big idea, so many restrictions. We have to narrow it down to the smallest idea possible where we hope we can nail a demo of it.

• 16:48David Imel?

  And Google doesn't tell you what those parameters are. That's the other thing. Like, they don't tell you what you need to actually invoke these things. And that's what's confusing. And I get it. I talked to them and they were like, well, we don't, we don't want to make it pop up too often, right? We don't want to accidentally invoke these chips.

• 17:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:04David Imel?

  But they don't tell you what the parameters of actually invoking the chips are in the first place.

• 17:08Speaker 03

  That is really interesting. It's almost like the opposite of like the Tesla approach. Well, they'll get on stage and be like, yeah, your car will just be able to drive on any street at any time, all the time.

• 17:18Andrew Manganelli?

  It'll fly.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  And you're like, wait, all the time? And you're like, well, there will be some roads where you ask it and it'll mess up. And you'll have to like take control and then turn it back on later. But like, just for the sake of simplicity, like it'll work all the time on everything. And you're like, geez, that's a big claim. And Google's on the other side like, yeah, so if you wanted to book a concert ticket after you see a poster that has all the details for the concert dates and times on it.

• 17:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 17:42Speaker 03

  And you take a picture of it with our app and then you enable the permissions, it'll probably book those tickets for you.

• 17:48David Imel?

  And the concert's on Ticketmaster.

• 17:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:50David Imel?

  And you, you went into the settings and you checked it on. Yeah, it's, it's, it's ironic to me because I feel like the way that Gemini has been pitched in the past has been, Google understands what's on your screen. It agentially reads what's happening on your phone. You don't need to have these app hooks like Apple has. Like Siri, these developers build in these API tools to make it so Siri can access these apps and agentially use the apps for you. And Google's mentality, it seems like what they've been pitching is that you don't really have to do any of this. And Gemini just knows what's happening and it can just figure it out.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:24David Imel?

  But that's not what they're shipping with, with Gemini Intelligence proactive assistance. It's very specific.

• 18:31Andrew Manganelli?

  It feels like AI, the, the dream AI for so long is like, I want a personal assistant that knows everything about me. Every AI that I've seen has felt like you hire the personal assistant and it is their first day, every single day, where they're way too scared to do anything. It's like, if you ask your assistant to like fix the grocery list and they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, I got that. What kind of butter are you like? Oh. Is it okay if I get 2% milk? Oh, okay, cool.

• 18:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, uh, prime or select choice steak. Okay. Just like, it has to ask you every single thing. To that point, it's like, I'm just kind of.

• 19:03David Imel?

  It reminds me of my first week ever working here. And I felt like I had to ask you permission for every single small thing that I wanted to.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  So theoretically, there's a time where you get over that hump and it knows all your preferences and then it's really good.

• 19:15Andrew Manganelli?

  And I want to. Give them a little credit.

• 19:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 19:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause I'd rather that happen than it just go full blown.

• 19:21David Imel?

  For sure.

• 19:21Andrew Manganelli?

  On the other side, Google, this is a little off topic, but I had my first time where Google, at least I noticed, took a stack of photos and did the face swap thing without telling me about it.

• 19:32David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:33Andrew Manganelli?

  I always.

• 19:33David Imel?

  Best take.

• 19:34Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought best take was an option and I took three pictures really quick of Lane and Owen where one Owen's looking, one's Lane looking. And then it added a third one. Sorry, I took two and then added the third one. And I didn't even notice, but like this little tiny pop up came that went like, this is the best take. Uh, it's using two photos. And I was like, wait, wait, wait. And then it that disappeared and I clicked another little icon. That's just like a, an image.

• 19:59David Imel?

  A little badge.

• 19:59Andrew Manganelli?

  A little badge. Yeah. And it said it did that. And I was like, I did not want you to do that. I'm, I am fine. I was pro that thing. If you're picking it, but don't.

• 20:08David Imel?

  Do it without me ass.

• 20:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. And now my gallery is the fake photo, which was like, it was kind of funny of the one of Lane smiling and Owen's head in like a blur because he's like ripping around. So.

• 20:18David Imel?

  It's funny because that's the exact demo that they would have given, like when they unveiled that feature was you take three photos and two of them have good faces.

• 20:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Yep. And let me choose.

• 20:28David Imel?

  And let me choose.

• 20:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 20:29David Imel?

  He chose for you. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know. I just, I just felt that it was weird and the Gemini Intelligence Productive Assistance was like a big part of this launch. And it's just such a specific thing that is probably going to work for like two CEOs and Silicon Valley and nobody else. Yeah.

• 20:45Speaker 03

  And they're going to think it's a huge success.

• 20:47David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  Cause it works kinda sometimes.

• 20:50David Imel?

  Yeah. But your point about, your point about the, the pros just being like, not that different. Like I was very impressed with the camera quality.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:56David Imel?

  I feel like the cameras actually got significantly better this year.

• 20:59Speaker 03

  They're really good. They are really good cameras. I've taken, we had the eclipse. We went to Spain and I went to Ireland for a week and then I've come back here. And I've, I just left on a 50 megapixel mode and I just haven't really had any issues and it's just been crushing photos all the time.

• 21:13David Imel?

  Although every time you take a 50 megapixel photo now, it has a little thing that's like processing high-res image that lasts like five seconds.

• 21:20Speaker 03

  It takes a little bit.

• 21:21David Imel?

  But I usually am just snapping and then putting my phone away. And so when I go check it later, it's all, it's all there.

• 21:26Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 21:27David Imel?

  So that's true.

• 21:28Andrew Manganelli?

  This, uh, you not recommending the pro one feels like Pixel has done this before. I think on like the seven, the six or the seven, don't, no one stop, everybody, no one, we, no one made the meme to audio listeners.

• 21:44Andrew Manganelli?

  But the problem was is back then, both of the phones felt like good deals where I'm pretty sure the pro at that point cost as much as the regular does now.

• 21:52David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:52Andrew Manganelli?

  It was like a six 90 or like six 99 or 599 to 899 difference.

• 21:58David Imel?

  I remember that specifically. My framing was slightly different. I remember back then, my framing, cause I got, I got crap for this, but I was saying the, the base pixel is such a good deal. That it makes the also good, also good deal pro look like not a good deal.

• 22:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 22:15David Imel?

  Because they're right next to each other and you're like, oh, why would I get that? This, this base one is an incredible deal. So people heard that and they were like, why are you calling the pro a bad deal? I'm not. I'm just saying next to the base one, that's an amazing deal.

• 22:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 22:27David Imel?

  Now in 2026, I'm saying this base pixel is the only one that I could theoretically call a good enough deal. And then the further you go from that base pixel, the worse it gets. Clearly not a good deal.

• 22:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 22:40David Imel?

  And it's fine. Cause you know, phones in 2026 are probably just not a good deal in the first place.

• 22:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 22:45David Imel?

  With this RAM shortage, but yeah, that's, that's where we're at. I heard a lot of people being like, at this point, just buy the 10A, but the 10A is probably close enough to the 11.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. Or just the, just get the 10.

• 22:58David Imel?

  Yeah. Just buy a used 10 or something. I don't know. People need to buy more used tech, by the way. Like we need to stop always needing to buy the newest, newest, newest, especially when they get seven years of software updates.

• 23:09Andrew Manganelli?

  I also find it funny because if you go to the Google store right now, I haven't found a single place that just listed as 899. It always says from 399 with 899 crossed off. Like they are putting some.

• 23:20David Imel?

  Trade in.

• 23:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Wild trade in deals and they are just trying to make it seem like.

• 23:24David Imel?

  Yeah. Which to be fair, Adam got the 512 gigabyte pro for $49 by trading in his.

• 23:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. He traded in Zuri for it.

• 23:34Speaker 03

  No, just traded in the S26 Ultra and you get a slightly worse phone. Yeah. The S26 Ultra, isn't that like a $1,100?

• 23:43David Imel?

  Yeah, but Adam bought, Adam bought the 512 gig version of a pro phone. So that phone is what 1399 or something?

• 23:49Speaker 03

  Something like that. Jesus.

• 23:50David Imel?

  1299?

• 23:51Andrew Manganelli?

  $49?

• 23:52Speaker 03

  So it came with like a preorder deal where you get it X amount off.

• 23:55David Imel?

  And it was cheaper through Googleify.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it was cheap. Had I gotten the 256, I think I would have gotten money back. They would have owed me money.

• 24:02David Imel?

  Giving you cash on the spot. Please take our pixel.

• 24:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Adam has some bookies ready to break his ankles somewhere. There's, there's, he's in debt for something that he doesn't know about. Yeah.

• 24:13David Imel?

  Well, he's going to have that pixel for two weeks and then he's going to trade it in for the iPhone fold. So.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  No, cause Apple doesn't give good trading deals on pixels. They don't care about us.

• 24:19David Imel?

  True. The pixels, they spit on pixels, dude.

• 24:22Andrew Manganelli?

  We'll recycle that for you.

• 24:23David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah. We'll recycle it for you for free. Um, okay. Last thing I want to say about the pixel. I just want to bring up.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  The looks?

• 24:29David Imel?

  No, no, no. Camera looks whatever, but the, the highlight thing, we just, we didn't really talk about it substantially. Did you notice how the flash is way less bright because of highlight?

• 24:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. I didn't notice that until like yesterday or the day before I went to use the flashlight as a torch.

• 24:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Uh, in the dark, cause I couldn't see. And I turned it all the way down because you can adjust the brightness.

• 24:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 24:50Speaker 03

  And I was like, whoa, this gets really dim. And I turned it back up and I was like, wait.

• 24:54David Imel?

  This doesn't get very bright.

• 24:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you think that's because it's using less LEDs or because the diffusion is so strong on it to make it seem more whimsical?

• 25:04Speaker 03

  Less LEDs. Yeah. Cause it's now giving a big section of what's behind that diffusion to highlight.

• 25:11David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  Which doesn't.

• 25:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause usually over the flash has this kind of like lens looking. But the, do you, can I see one of the, with the highlight?

• 25:20David Imel?

  It's like a focusing.

• 25:21Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like, it's not. A lens. It's just like a super diffused circle.

• 25:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:26David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  It's dimmer.

• 25:29David Imel?

  It's dimmer and highlights completely and totally useless.

• 25:33Speaker 03

  Except for people who have their phone face down and get lots of phone calls.

• 25:37David Imel?

  From their favorite.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  There's somebody out there who's like, yay, finally a feature that I'll use. But that's.

• 25:44David Imel?

  But if I getting a phone call, you can see this. I never have my phone face down.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:48David Imel?

  I don't know, man.

• 25:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I have my phone face down a lot, but I don't get phone calls at all.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 25:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Like if I get a phone call, it's a spam call. So like.

• 25:56David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 25:56Andrew Manganelli?

  My pitch to Marquez for an intro skit for this review was, um, him like setting up his mom as like the color green or whatever. So that he never misses her calls whenever he's working. And it's just him working in all these scenarios and it's never blinking, never blinking. And then it finally lights up. He's like, oh, my mom's calling. And he picks up and she goes, I've been texting you for three hours. Where are you?

• 26:18Speaker 03

  Why have you not answered?

• 26:19David Imel?

  Yeah. The only time I have my phone face down is when I'm like getting dinner or a drink with a friend and it's like a sign of respect to put your phone face down.

• 26:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's performative.

• 26:27David Imel?

  It's performative.

• 26:28Speaker 03

  I take it out of my pocket and I put it face down on the table.

• 26:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Literally.

• 26:32Speaker 03

  Not using my phone.

• 26:33David Imel?

  Different than keeping it in your pocket. It's, it's performative. Yeah.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  That's funny.

• 26:37David Imel?

  So anyway, that's all I wanted to say.

• 26:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, there was a teardown and they found that all of the LEDs inside it are RGB.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  So why? Yeah. So that's, that was the thing that we were talking about on the pod in Spain, which is that red isn't one of the colors, which seems like it should be.

• 26:54David Imel?

  And it could be.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  And it absolutely could be.

• 26:57David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:57Speaker 03

  They just didn't make it one of the colors.

• 27:00David Imel?

  Well.

• 27:01Speaker 03

  So strange.

• 27:01David Imel?

  Somebody vibe coded like a, uh, like a highlight app that makes it light up for notifications and stuff. They let you choose whatever color you want, including red. So I don't know why Google is so against red.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:13David Imel?

  But they just hate red.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  This is one of those things where like, this is like a multi, multi trillion dollar company. And they've, they've announced this new feature and some, and sometimes there's like, uh, like in cars, this happens where you'd be like, oh, there's a tuner community out there who's like, oh, we have different spring rates and, and different accessories for the car to make it better. And you're like, what, what do you think you know that BMW doesn't know? Like what do you, are you really going to make a car better than the manufacturer? And you're like, yeah, probably not, but it's just the way we like it. But then we get to this phone and we're like, yeah, we're going to make it way better than Google ever thought to make it. Because somehow they completely missed like 75% of the functionality that this could have had.

• 27:53David Imel?

  Overnight, by the way, like someone vibe coded this. And I'm like.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  In a day.

• 27:57David Imel?

  If they vibe coded it, why couldn't Google just add like, and now they're like, we're thinking about adding functionality for text messages and Google messages. And I'm like, what?

• 28:06Speaker 03

  Knowing the way that Google works.

• 28:07David Imel?

  What?

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Somebody at Google said that. And then they said it in a way that hopefully it would get back to the engineering team that is supposed to make that happen. Cause they don't even.

• 28:17David Imel?

  Yeah. They don't even know.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  They don't even talk to each other. They don't even know who that guy is.

• 28:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  And so that team is going to see it and they'll be like, oh, I should make this work with Google messages. Okay.

• 28:26David Imel?

  Then there's 30 layers of red.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  And then they'll have to approve it. And then there's just like another building of people who are like, what's Google messages? I thought we had seven other messages.

• 28:34David Imel?

  I thought we used Hangouts. Yeah.

• 28:35Andrew Manganelli?

  And that app couldn't just change the colors. It could do different apps, doing different things. Yeah. Like it could do everything. To be fair, it had to be like side loaded. And I thought I read that every time you rebooted your phone and you had to reboot the app or something. It seemed very complicated.

• 28:50Speaker 03

  With Shizuku, I think it's called, is that app that lets you install apps like these?

• 28:54David Imel?

  It's annoying and difficult.

• 28:56Speaker 03

  It took me like an hour and a half. I kept walking over to Andrew like, okay, text me now. And I put the phone down on his desk and he would text me and they would vibrate and nothing would happen.

• 29:03Andrew Manganelli?

  It never worked.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  Damn it.

• 29:04David Imel?

  We got to work eventually.

• 29:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. But it, it was more to us proof that all of the things could have happened on this phone. Especially when you're the person who makes the phone and could.

• 29:14David Imel?

  Well, and it's like, if Google was not a multi trillion dollar company, they could have seen this backlash and then like made it work within a day or two. And they could, they could have had a really good community.

• 29:24Andrew Manganelli?

  That'd be great PR.

• 29:25David Imel?

  It would have been amazing PR to be like, you guys are right. We heard you. We're releasing an update next week that has all this functionality.

• 29:32Speaker 03

  Highlight, highlight feels like a true, did they even test this?

• 29:35David Imel?

  They did not at all.

• 29:37Speaker 03

  Usually when companies are launching big features, they have internal focus groups. They have all sorts of testing that they do ahead of time with like groups inside the company to make sure they're not missing anything. And it'll be used the way they think customers will use it. This didn't get that clearly.

• 29:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 29:50Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't even want to blame engineers because it seems so obvious that I have to assume one engineer got the job of like, oh, I'm going to make the defaults for these five colors. Like someone else must be working on the color wheel. Like my job must just be the favorites or the defaults. Someone else has the color wheel.

• 30:06David Imel?

  You know, it's crazy. Wait to see the finished feature. At our, uh, at our hands-on event, they had a giant pixel camera bar on the wall and you could hit a big button and it would make highlight glow with like the Gemini colors. And I'm like, the prop designer did a lot of work.

• 30:19Speaker 03

  They got a good job.

• 30:21David Imel?

  Marketing team saw the pitch and was like, oh yeah, we'll make this. We'll make this look cool.

• 30:26Speaker 05

  Did we ever get any clarity into like the color wheel filter?

• 30:29Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it wasn't that. It's it's a circle of LED lights and each of those LEDs are RGB.

• 30:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 30:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:35Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not the color wheel filter.

• 30:37David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 30:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Color wheel.

• 30:38David Imel?

  Wheel.

• 30:39Andrew Manganelli?

  You got me. Thank you, everyone.

• 30:40David Imel?

  You're welcome.

• 30:42Speaker 06

  You wanna know my conspiracy theory for this?

• 30:43David Imel?

  What?

• 30:44Speaker 06

  I think they're saving it for a pixel drop.

• 30:48Speaker 03

  A feature?

• 30:48David Imel?

  DLC.

• 30:49Speaker 06

  To be like, oh, look at this. And a whole new thing your phone can do in two months, like in December.

• 30:54Speaker 03

  I.

• 30:55David Imel?

  It's called red.

• 30:57Speaker 03

  I think they should have, and this is maybe, I'm not the expert, I don't work for Google, but I think they should have made this work for messages, phone calls, a whole bunch of other apps. You should have a bunch of colors and a bunch of customization. And then in pics, in future drops, you can hear what other people would like to be able to do with it that's more creative, that wouldn't obviously be stuff that we think of, and then add that later.

• 31:18David Imel?

  In the Nexus days, we could do whatever the hell we wanted.

• 31:21Speaker 03

  The glowing trackball from what the, literally the first Nexus.

• 31:25Speaker 06

  This X, the S, the very first Nexus phone.

• 31:29Andrew Manganelli?

  I think what makes this more frustrating is Google themselves kind of did that weird, was it in I/O where they showed a bunch of like clips? And there was the guy in the mirror holding his pixel and we all thought pixel glow is gonna be around the camera bar? So we were all like, that's gonna be so nuts. And then that was our expectations. Now we went down to just little dot and we were like, okay, it's still a notification LED. It can be sick. And then they gave us a five color call only.

• 31:55David Imel?

  And that's my thing is that the pixel glow thing has been, it was leaked like six months early. They had so much time.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Months.

• 32:02David Imel?

  To add any functionality to this.

• 32:05Speaker 03

  For six months, they were like, should we add green?

• 32:08David Imel?

  What if?

• 32:09Speaker 03

  How about yellow?

• 32:10Andrew Manganelli?

  What's your favorite color? White.

• 32:12David Imel?

  What if you're talking to Gemini without looking at your screen?

• 32:14Speaker 06

  That's all they care about. You hit the nail on the head. They don't want LED notifications.

• 32:18David Imel?

  But nobody does that.

• 32:20Speaker 06

  They want Gemini.

• 32:20David Imel?

  I sometimes use Gemini voice mode, but I like to see what it says on the screen while I'm using it.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Maybe this is the proxy for exactly how Google thinks about the pixel, which is it's just a vessel for Gemini. And if you, if you put this phone across the room, face up, and you say, hey, G, then you see the, the light turn on, you're like, alright, I'm talking to it, and then it's responding. But they must believe that people are talking to Gemini so often that when it's face down, they still wanna make sure it's hearing them. So they add a little light on the back so we can make sure everyone knows, okay, I'm talking to Gemini and it's face down now. That's the thing that they think.

• 32:55David Imel?

  It's at least the user behavior they want.

• 32:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:57David Imel?

  I've thought a lot about like the, they're kind of getting back to their whole ambient computing thing with like Google Home. And now the AI is just a vessel to make the ambient computing work. Because they, they released the new smart speaker and everything, and they're trying to put more surfaces in your life that you can interact with Gemini through. So it makes sense to have your phone be one of those surfaces and have it be able, you be able to actually see when you're interacting with Gemini all the time. It's just that I just don't think that that's a user interaction that people do naturally.

• 33:27Speaker 03

  It's.

• 33:27David Imel?

  My phone is so rarely faced down like this.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  And if your phone like lights up when you say, hey, G, on the screen, that's not a problem. Like, I don't, I don't see why, why would you have it faced down? I don't know.

• 33:37Speaker 05

  It's like maybe see, if you say, hey, G, at your house, you can tell if you're speaking to your phone or your, your.

• 33:43David Imel?

  Yeah, but your phone would light up anyway if you did that.

• 33:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, I sort of understand like the narrative point of like giving your phone a thing that's like just for Gemini. Like it makes a statement that like Gemini is this thing. No, that, and more than that, it's like, it's like, it's this standalone thing that like you say is ambient, it's always there and it will appear in this spot. Like this is, it's, it's like, it's a narrative storytelling thing. I think it's stupid, but I think, I think I get it.

• 34:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't mind that it can be that signal for Gemini if your phone's down. I, I have my phone down all the time. That's why I want this to be a notification dot. The thing is, is don't ship it as the thing you all expect the people to use it for and then half ass the rest of it. Ship a, a good thing that most people will use and then there's the option of the Gemini thing. I think more people use Gemini if they're all in the customizations of highlight of, I can make my mom text message this color and I can make any important people from work calling this color. If you can do all that customization, then you'll see the Gemini tab and what it can do face down. And you're probably more likely to actually use the feature.

• 34:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 34:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Instead, they're forcing it down our throats and pretending to throw us a bone that's half chewed.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  This is a question that I wanna ask the Google engineers. Of all of the face down pixels in the world, do you think more people get text messages? Or use Gemini?

• 35:06Speaker 03

  And I know what they want it to be, but what do you really think?

• 35:08David Imel?

  What do you really think?

• 35:09Speaker 06

  They're getting texts from Gemini because Gemini's in Google Messages now. I feel like the only way they, the engineers or the PMs were able to get this feature is by tying it to Gemini in some way. You have to get the feature approved by the higher ups, which means it has to be a Gemini feature.

• 35:24David Imel?

  That's probably true. Yeah, because when, uh, when Microsoft made them dance or whatever, they, like, they went out and they were like, oh, we're an AI first company now. We're, they literally restructured Android around Gemini. So I bet you they have some sort of benchmark where they have to connect it to Gemini. Every new feature probably has to be connected to Gemini in some way.

• 35:46Speaker 03

  Which is why the GPU of Tensor never gets better. Cause it doesn't help Gemini at all and there are still 20,000 leagues under.

• 35:53David Imel?

  But their TPU's got better.

• 35:54Speaker 03

  Their TPU's got better and that's why Gemini is faster and all the AI stuff is going better, but have you seen the benchmark results?

• 35:59David Imel?

  Yeah, it's bad.

• 36:00Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 36:01David Imel?

  And I will say, I will say, I, I do wanna note that I was, I, I kind of take back part of what I said on our Eclipse, uh, week episode where I was like. I don't take it back. I, look, I said what I said. I still think that Google's.

• 36:16Speaker 06

  Why are you booing me? I'm right.

• 36:18David Imel?

  I still think that Google's mentality is we're focused on AI, we're focused on Gemini, we're, we're not focusing on the fastest, single thread CPU speed for your Genshin Impact, right? That's not what they're benchmarking it against. They're not making a OnePlus phone. But when I was, when I was reviewing this phone, there was some stuttering and I was like, oh. Like in Google Maps, Google Maps would kind of like lag and sometimes stutter and I was like.

• 36:43Speaker 03

  Just scrolling.

• 36:44David Imel?

  I haven't experienced this on a phone in a while.

• 36:47Speaker 03

  On a new phone.

• 36:48David Imel?

  On a new.

• 36:48Speaker 03

  On a brand new thousand dollar phone.

• 36:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:51David Imel?

  So it wasn't like a lot, but it was enough where I was like, oh, I would not, this would not happen on a regular phone.

• 36:58Andrew Manganelli?

  So I think what you're saying is Tensor can't handle more than five colors in highlight?

• 37:01David Imel?

  That's probably the, that's probably.

• 37:02Andrew Manganelli?

  GPU's not good enough.

• 37:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 37:04Andrew Manganelli?

  That's, that's why.

• 37:05David Imel?

  AI, AIs don't know how to sell strawberry. There's no way that they know what the color red is. You know what I mean?

• 37:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, the GPU is, is a crying shame on Tensor.

• 37:15David Imel?

  Well, it's not a crying shame.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  You'll be fine.

• 37:17David Imel?

  What?

• 37:18Speaker 03

  Well, actually TBD. We got the S27 Ultra leaks, the design specifically.

• 37:24David Imel?

  This is so early.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  And, and I don't know, people are mostly just commentating on the fact that it's a camera plateau now instead of a camera bar. Actually, honestly, the Ultra didn't have a bar at all. It was just like the ring sticking out the back.

• 37:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  And then like the little plateau around each ring. Now it's just a big camera mesa, which, you know.

• 37:41David Imel?

  I was literally about to search synonym for plateau.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  It's a big camera mesa, kinda like the iPhone.

• 37:47Andrew Manganelli?

  They'll name it space something, I feel like.

• 37:49David Imel?

  The space mesa.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  Space Zoom Mesa.

• 37:53Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm just excited that this series won't look exactly the same as the last.

• 37:58David Imel?

  Same.

• 37:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Five years. This thing has not changed what feels like in forever. So just the fact that it's different, I'm like, whoa, cool.

• 38:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I can maybe be excited.

• 38:08David Imel?

  That's why. I think that's why. They're like, yeah, let's change the look just a little bit so we can say we changed the look just a little bit.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I guess. Camera plateau, for audio listeners, big old camera plateau on the top.

• 38:19David Imel?

  Mesa.

• 38:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Mesa. Now instead of three cameras, um, down the left side, we have two cameras left aligned. And then it almost looks like to the right of it, it looks like the camera bar from the iPhone X, um, right? Like two cameras in one singular pill with a flash in between, potentially camera and sensor.

• 38:36David Imel?

  It kinda looks like a time of flight sensor.

• 38:38Andrew Manganelli?

  A time of flight sensor.

• 38:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Flash, uh, camera, and then the right half of the plateau completely bare. I don't know why, but I kinda dig it.

• 38:47Speaker 03

  Weirdly, weirdly bare.

• 38:49David Imel?

  Weirdly bare.

• 38:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:51Speaker 06

  It's because they don't want it to wobble anymore. The wobble was crazy.

• 38:54Speaker 03

  That's actually valid, but although if, if this lens sticks out far enough, it will still wobble.

• 38:59Andrew Manganelli?

  True.

• 38:59David Imel?

  Yeah, but we can't tell that yet.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  Not as much.

• 39:02Andrew Manganelli?

  It's definitely sticking out. It's definitely gonna wobble.

• 39:04David Imel?

  Maybe it'll be like the iPhone Air and the whole, the whole phone will be on the right side of the mesa.

• 39:09Andrew Manganelli?

  You have to assume they're stacking something in there, like.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  There's probably one telephoto that folds over sideways, which goes behind the rest of the mesa. There's probably, I don't know, some GPU up there. Which the Tensor doesn't have.

• 39:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I, I like it better than the three, three vertical cameras.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  I think, yeah. No, I don't mind it. There's a lot of haters because it's, oh, the iPhone, iPhone bad, Android good, but.

• 39:35Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't care what everyone credits the iPhone for the plateau.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Xiaomi had it way longer.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  That's actually.

• 39:40David Imel?

  Looks exactly like a Xiaomi phone.

• 39:41Speaker 03

  But now that the iPhone has it, that's the way people react to it.

• 39:45David Imel?

  That's true.

• 39:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I think the people who are mad comparing it to the iPhone probably aren't the actual iPhone. The iPhone people who would call this iPhone centered, don't give a about this phone.

• 39:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 39:55Andrew Manganelli?

  So it's just Android people hating iPhones so much that they're, they themselves are comparing it to an iPhone.

• 40:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. I actually like camera mesas slash visors because I've said it before, that's where I like rest my finger.

• 40:05David Imel?

  Me too.

• 40:06Speaker 03

  On the back of the phone. It's a little thing. It's a subtle thing.

• 40:08David Imel?

  Do you wanna call it the butte? Because a butte is a flat topped hill similar to a mesa, but typically smaller and taller than it is wide.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  No. I think a butte is, yeah, I think this is a mesa more than a butte.

• 40:20David Imel?

  Yeah, I guess you're right.

• 40:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:21David Imel?

  This may be, maybe this is a mesa on the Pixel 11.

• 40:23Speaker 05

  What are you talking about with the Xiaomi being, what?

• 40:28Speaker 03

  The 11T?

• 40:29Speaker 05

  The 11.

• 40:29Andrew Manganelli?

  There's been like a Xiaomi, it was, was it Xiaomi or Huawei did one with a whole ass screen on the back?

• 40:35Speaker 03

  The Xiaomi something Ultra?

• 40:37Andrew Manganelli?

  There was a Poco phone that we, that had a giant like full width wise.

• 40:43Speaker 05

  I know, but that came out after the iPhone.

• 40:44Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it didn't.

• 40:45Speaker 05

  The 17 Pro came out after the iPhone. I remember.

• 40:47David Imel?

  The Xiaomi 11T Ultra is the one that.

• 40:50Andrew Manganelli?

  There are ones from far ago, my little iPhone boy. Back in my day.

• 40:57Speaker 03

  Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra.

• 40:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, I know.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  11T Ultra?

• 41:00Speaker 05

  You're right. I was, I take it all back.

• 41:03David Imel?

  That is a.

• 41:03Andrew Manganelli?

  What, what was the Among Us Poco phone?

• 41:06David Imel?

  Oh, yeah, that was a long time. Yeah.

• 41:09Andrew Manganelli?

  That.

• 41:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 41:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Damn, they stole it from Apple three years before Apple did.

• 41:18Speaker 03

  You know what I wonder sometimes? Whatever happened to the camera? The selfie camera cutouts being moved to under the display? Remember that?

• 41:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Remember there was a time where?

• 41:29David Imel?

  That's true.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  It's eventually gonna go to zero and it's gonna be invisible.

• 41:32David Imel?

  Will they do that on the full, on the?

• 41:34Andrew Manganelli?

  I was gonna say, that was the last fold.

• 41:36Speaker 03

  They did, and then they stopped and went back to a whole bunch.

• 41:38David Imel?

  They did?

• 41:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:39David Imel?

  It was probably just too hazy.

• 41:41Speaker 03

  And I thought that they committed to it because they thought they had a path to like a good selfie camera.

• 41:46David Imel?

  Apparently not.

• 41:47Speaker 03

  But you just don't see that anymore.

• 41:49David Imel?

  Maybe they just really people don't care.

• 41:50Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm similar to the bezel video you made. I just don't, the screen to body ratio died. Like, no one cares about that anymore. I think we're fine with the little dot in it.

• 42:01Speaker 05

  I think also selfie cameras became way more important. So taking the hit on.

• 42:07David Imel?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  I think that selfie cameras have been important for a long time, and I think they realized that nobody was willing to take that massive hit to get the under screen selfie camera. And then nobody was willing to like, put in the work to make it a really, really good under screen selfie camera because nobody was making them anymore.

• 42:24David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  So we're all just like, okay, there's never any useful UI up in the top or in the corner. They used to all be in the corner.

• 42:30David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  Now they're in the top middle.

• 42:31David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:31Speaker 03

  And we're just like, fine with the whole bunch cut out.

• 42:33David Imel?

  Yeah. By the way, something else that the Pixel 11 Pro does very well is the selfie camera is really good. It's like, I think it's the same one from last year, but it's really good.

• 42:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it is really good.

• 42:41David Imel?

  It's really good.

• 42:43Andrew Manganelli?

  The 5X lens too is fire.

• 42:45David Imel?

  The 5X lens is way better than it was last year. Yeah.

• 42:47Speaker 03

  Am I gonna keep using the Pixel?

• 42:49David Imel?

  Join me.

• 42:50Speaker 03

  This is what happens to me every year.

• 42:51Andrew Manganelli?

  I know, me too.

• 42:52Speaker 03

  I use it for like, three months and I'm like, I think I'm a, I'm a full time pixeler. And then I'll, I'll go back to the OnePlus 15. Oh, right, phones can be fast.

• 43:01Speaker 05

  Listen, if you just like, accept that this cage is golden, it's a beautiful life.

• 43:06David Imel?

  Well, now that OnePlus is practically dead everywhere but India. I feel like the OnePlus 15 is gonna be the last, like, true flagship OnePlus phone that you're gonna be able to have.

• 43:15Speaker 03

  I think I'm gonna end up with the S27 Ultra.

• 43:17David Imel?

  I'm gonna bury you with the OnePlus 15.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  I feel like, that's the phone I've used the most in the past like, three years, probably.

• 43:25David Imel?

  Damn.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:26David Imel?

  That's crazy.

• 43:28Speaker 03

  Anyway.

• 43:28David Imel?

  Anyway.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  All right, we should take a quick break. We have way more brand new tech to talk about, because it's that time of year. But before we take that break, trivia time.

• 43:43Speaker 05

  All right, I had a whole question about where the, where the, the front facing camera was on Pixel phones. But all this talk about a company making a feature, AKA highlight, that they wanted users to use in a certain way, and users didn't use it that way, and they didn't adapt. Made me wanna pivot to one of my favorite trivia facts ever, about one of the greatest products ever made, WD-40.

• 44:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I agree.

• 44:11Speaker 05

  What was it originally?

• 44:12Andrew Manganelli?

  No, hard agree.

• 44:13David Imel?

  Okay.

• 44:13Speaker 05

  And, and, and real WD-40 fans may know that while it is popularly used as an industrial lubricant, it was not originally developed as an industrial lubricant. So my question to my three waveform host today, what does the WD in WD-40?

• 44:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Why can't it just be, what was it developed for?

• 44:35Speaker 05

  Because that's what it was developed for.

• 44:37David Imel?

  Wumbo.

• 44:39Speaker 05

  Wumbo Dumbo, that's it! David!

• 44:42David Imel?

  Wumbo Dumbo 40.

• 44:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I have a guess.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  I weirdly only knew the first half of this trivia fact. I knew that WD-40 wasn't originally just supposed to be a lubricant. But I don't know the other half, which is, what was it supposed to be?

• 44:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I know what it's, I know what it's supposed to be, I just don't think I know what that stands for.

• 45:00Speaker 05

  If you know what it's supposed to be.

• 45:02Andrew Manganelli?

  I think I have a guess, okay.

• 45:03Speaker 05

  It should, you, you probably can arrive at the WD.

• 45:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 45:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I have a guess.

• 45:09David Imel?

  Wumbo.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  All right, well, answers will be at the end of the show, like usual. We'll be right back.

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• 46:49Speaker 03

  All right, welcome back. I just wanted to ask you guys a question real quick.

• 46:52David Imel?

  Yep.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  I know that when I was out, you guys, you guys covered the new YouTube views counting metric.

• 46:59David Imel?

  Oh, dead.

• 47:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, okay.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  Of viewflation, as I've been calling it in the office. Well, we have published a video since the beginning of viewflation, so I'm curious what you guys think the difference is in engaged views versus publicly counted views on our newest video on the bezel-less concept phone. The public view counter is 2.391 million views. What is the amount of engaged views?

• 47:25David Imel?

  20%, 20% difference, like 80?

• 47:28Andrew Manganelli?

  1.8.

• 47:28David Imel?

  80% of that?

• 47:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I'm going 1.8 now.

• 47:30David Imel?

  1.8.

• 47:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I saw, I think Harper posted this at like, 1 million.

• 47:35David Imel?

  Were you paying?

• 47:36Andrew Manganelli?

  And it was, it wasn't a big difference, so I don't know what it would be.

• 47:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, 100,000 view difference? I don't think it's very much, but I have insider knowledge.

• 47:45Speaker 05

  Wow, that's cheating. I saw that too. Just pretend you did.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, but there's no.

• 47:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, what?

• 47:49Speaker 03

  I don't lie to our audience, like all of you guys.

• 47:51David Imel?

  Any guesses over there?

• 47:53Speaker 06

  What is an engaged view? It's like, 20 seconds?

• 47:55Speaker 03

  An engaged view is the original.

• 47:57David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I know it's the original.

• 47:59Speaker 03

  There's no metric. So there is no default. It's basically YouTube determined that you are a real person who watched it for more than a split second and actually watched the video.

• 48:08David Imel?

  More than a frame.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:09Speaker 06

  I always in my head felt like it was like, eight or nine seconds, but I don't know why.

• 48:12Speaker 03

  It used to be seven a long time ago, I think, unless I'm lying.

• 48:15Andrew Manganelli?

  YouTube will always say there was never any specific number, AKA, we just aren't telling you.

• 48:20Speaker 06

  I think that video probably has like, 1.6 million.

• 48:26Speaker 03

  Engaged views.

• 48:26Speaker 06

  Engaged views.

• 48:28Speaker 03

  Okay, so the, again, the actual public counted views is 2.391 million. The actual engaged views is 2.354 million.

• 48:39David Imel?

  Oh my god.

• 48:39Speaker 03

  So it only added about 50,000 views to the view counter on a 2.3 million view video.

• 48:45David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  So hardly a fraction of what we thought, at least in this one case, we have a very small sample size of one single video, but.

• 48:53David Imel?

  Wait, I have another question.

• 48:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:55David Imel?

  What, so what is your impression to click rate?

• 49:00Speaker 03

  My click-through rate is 8%.

• 49:02David Imel?

  Oh.

• 49:03Speaker 03

  Which is just a ratio of impressions to clicks, so 22 million impressions and.

• 49:08David Imel?

  Okay.

• 49:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. So that's normal.

• 49:10David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  For this, this age of a video, two days old. But yeah.

• 49:14David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  I think we'll see different types of videos have bigger ratios, like, older videos might start to find that they separate more different genre videos that get like, suggested a lot, might get a lot of like, hover auto plays, so we'll see how that goes.

• 49:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm interested in channels that, like, for real clickbait, because a lot of times, if something seems really crazy in the thumbnail, one of the things you do is you hover it to then see that, you can immediately tell the video is nothing like what the thumbnail's like, and then be like, I'm not watching this.

• 49:42Speaker 03

  Like a breaking news.

• 49:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Now that gets a view, yeah.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, something like that. TBD. Anyway.

• 49:47David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:48Speaker 03

  Speaking of breaking news, we did get some new products from the fruit company in Cupertino. New Macs, Mac Mini and Mac Studio. These two also have new chips, so it's kind of a new computer story, but mostly a new chip story. The M6 chip is out already, just the base M6. So we have a new M6 Mac Mini. It's a 2 nanometer chip, that's very exciting. And there's also a new M5 Pro Mac Mini. There's also a new M5 Ultra chip, finally. And they shoved it in a Mac Studio. And oh my God, it has all the things. I may or may not have pre-ordered an M5 Ultra Mac Studio already. Because it's a studio and

• 50:30David Imel?

  I'm gonna go with me.

• 50:32Speaker 03

  So, okay, just to summarize, there are two new chips. There's an M6 chip. And there's an M5 Ultra chip.

• 50:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  And with those new chips, we get a couple of new computers. They've refreshed the Mac Mini, so now there's an M6 Mac Mini. And they're throwing in M5 Pro into the Mac Mini, which is also a new computer. And there's a new Mac Studio with the M5 Ultra. No other machine got the M5 Ultra. But that's where the M5 Ultra goes. So those are the new computers that we can talk about. I think the most interesting one is probably the base M6 Mac Mini. Because, God, that used to be like the deal of the century for a solid six months, or however long it was, that you could get one for $500. The base Mac Mini was one of the best deals in the tech world. They updated to M6. Now the base Mac Mini costs $900.

• 51:19David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  Which is not even

• 51:21David Imel?

  It's still a

• 51:21Speaker 03

  It's almost double.

• 51:22David Imel?

  It's still an amazing computer.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  Again, we're in the era of cost inflation, of like, everything costs more now. And also, you know, it's going to be a good computer, but also a better computer. So there's lots more to talk about. I think M6 is gonna basically be the fastest single-thread chip Apple makes. I mean, it should be, right? Other than maybe the iPhone. And so it's gonna be a phenomenal computer, much more capable than the previous one. But yeah, not even close to as cheap.

• 51:47David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  Uh, 2 nanometers now, 170 GB per second unified memory, 12-core GPU, double the neural engine, I believe. Uh, and lots of improvement over They usually compare it to M1. So they're saying, oh yeah, it's 2.5 times faster than M1. Because they don't compare it to the last gen anymore. They always compare it to the beginning of Apple's silicon.

• 52:05Andrew Manganelli?

  1.2 times faster multi-threaded performance compared to M5.

• 52:09Speaker 03

  Great, okay. So yeah, 1.2, so 20% faster multi-thread.

• 52:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  But obviously, much, much faster than M1. So great, M6 chip. Now, in the future, we can expect to see M6 Pro and M6 Max in that touchscreen MacBook Pro.

• 52:22David Imel?

  Yes, which means it could possibly still come out this year. I was worried that it was gonna get pushed to next year.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  I think so. I think I'm expecting like an October-type of event for this touchscreen OLED MacBook Pro.

• 52:35David Imel?

  I don't even wanna know how much it's gonna cost, but I do

• 52:38Speaker 03

  All of it.

• 52:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 52:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 52:39Speaker 03

  It's gonna cost all of it.

• 52:40David Imel?

  Especially if they put an Ultra chip in it. They can't possibly do that.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, probably not. You're right.

• 52:44David Imel?

  But speaking of the Ultra chip, that M5 Ultra, oh my God, it's powerful.

• 52:50Andrew Manganelli?

  But can I just say this? So we talked about price on Mac Mini and how it's so much more expensive now. And even in the press release of it, Mini has always been this like, great for students, great for creators. They peppered in so much more talk about LLMs and AI

• 53:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 53:05Andrew Manganelli?

  in the press release about using this. Which is probably one of the main reasons it's so high. It's actually, it's so funny, that Twitter clip that's going around of that guy like, unpacking all those laptops to like, put in his AI server rack.

• 53:16David Imel?

  So sad.

• 53:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Two days before this got announced. And they're all like

• 53:19David Imel?

  Curse videos.

• 53:20Andrew Manganelli?

  That, that guy deserved that, but um

• 53:22Speaker 03

  Well, this was a surprise announcement, like it came out of nowhere.

• 53:25Andrew Manganelli?

  It was, I was gonna say this before, the surprise of it was Miles talking to Marquez about, I think, an autofocus video. And Marquez just completely stopped listening to Miles. And I heard Miles continue to drag on and then go, oh wait, what is that? Because Marquez had on his screen

• 53:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 53:42Andrew Manganelli?

  the new Mini's getting launched out of nowhere in the morning.

• 53:44David Imel?

  Well, Marquez posted in Slack, he said, they dropped this all. And I said, what?

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Because I think like, three hours earlier, we'd saw like a rumor that they may announce it before the September event. And we're like, oh, that would be interesting. Oh, and they're here.

• 53:56David Imel?

  And they're here. And they're here.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  So they're here.

• 53:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 54:00Speaker 03

  I may have also bought one.

• 54:02David Imel?

  Okay.

• 54:03Speaker 03

  I mean, I wanna see how good it is.

• 54:04David Imel?

  Do you wanna talk about the Ultra chip?

• 54:06Speaker 03

  But yeah, the M5 Ultra chip as well. So for those who don't know, the Ultra chip, it's been a long time since we got a new one. I think M3 Ultra is the last one that we got, which was in a Mac Studio. And the Mac Pro was still on M2 Ultra. So it shows how much they've like, really kept up to date with it. But it's essentially fusing together two M5 Max chips. And that gets you a solid, let me read this here. 64-core GPU, 30-core CPU, 32-core neural engine, and starting at 96 gigs of unified memory. Uh, and up to 512 gigs of unified memory.

• 54:40David Imel?

  Starting at 96 gigs of RAM.

• 54:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I think it's a, I think the number was like 1.2

• 54:47David Imel?

  1.2 terabytes of unified memory bandwidth, yeah.

• 54:51Speaker 03

  Just, yeah. I, this is not a machine that, again, regular people or anyone, even, even video editors are mostly gonna have to clamor over. This is for people who have specific use cases with like, oh, I need to run a massive local LLM in the unified memory, or I need to like, you know

• 55:08Andrew Manganelli?

  That's pretty much it.

• 55:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, well, that's for the unified memory part. But for the massive GPU part, this is like, uh, 3D rendering, intense color correction. Obviously, video editing is like the low end of what this thing is designed for.

• 55:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 55:21Speaker 03

  Um, it's what I'm gonna be doing with it.

• 55:23David Imel?

  I wanna see the benchmarks so bad.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, the benchmarks are gonna be silly.

• 55:27David Imel?

  15-minute benchmark, 15-minute video rendered in one minute.

• 55:31Speaker 03

  I just can't wait. I've been chasing real-time video exports my entire 8K career.

• 55:38David Imel?

  But we passed real-time, didn't we?

• 55:40Speaker 03

  Not exports.

• 55:41David Imel?

  Really?

• 55:42Speaker 03

  So like, a 10-minute video will take 20 minutes to export. Which is awesome. Like, an 8K Red RAW transcode from, you know, all the chopped up timeline to all my graphics and effects and transitions and color correction and sharpening and all of that. Exporting a 10-minute video in 20 minutes, that's pretty sick. But I've been chasing the real-time export. And I think this is gonna get meaningfully closer to that.

• 56:07David Imel?

  Yeah. So You can configure this with up to 512 gigabytes of RAM.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  So on that note

• 56:13David Imel?

  Which is crazy.

• 56:14Speaker 03

  You can preorder an M5 Ultra Mac Studio today.

• 56:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  And just for funsies, I went through and maxed everything out. You can spend $18,300 on a Mac Studio. That does not include the 512 gigs of unified memory. That only goes up to 256.

• 56:33David Imel?

  Oh.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  So when they do drop the 512-gig version for you local LLM freaks out there, that's gonna be a very, very expensive machine. Now, that's also 16 terabytes of internal memory, so I

• 56:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Storage, storage, storage. Holy

• 56:48Speaker 03

  16 terabytes of SSD.

• 56:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 56:51Speaker 03

  Um, which sounds silly unless you work with massive video files. Um, so that's another reason why it's so expensive.

• 56:58David Imel?

  I love videos.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm a video file.

• 57:01Andrew Manganelli?

  I need to humbly request another short where you explain what all the Macs and Ultra chips mean now. If you look at this script, I have everything wrong because I'm still so confused in this. Like, so much of this, I have the wrong chip name. Because not only is it confusing, but to then release M6 Base and then go M5 Ultra. Like, the releases just make it very confusing.

• 57:22Speaker 03

  Am I the only one who finds this very simple and intuitive?

• 57:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes. Pro, Base, Pro, Max, Ultra. But then we also release things out of order.

• 57:31Speaker 03

  The only thing that makes it confusing is the out-of-order release timing. But as far as like, what's more capable, it's very clear.

• 57:37Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's also that, and they've just skipped some. There's no M4 Ultra, right?

• 57:42Speaker 03

  True, they've skipped some.

• 57:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, so there's just like

• 57:44Speaker 03

  So there's a base chip.

• 57:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Random board of chips that

• 57:47Speaker 03

  There's a base chip. You can put the base chip in any of the base stuff, like, and now it's M6, right? So we have it in the Mac Mini. I will expect to see an M6 iPad and an M6 Mac, an iMac, and like, all the base stuff. MacBook Air, right? Then you have Pro and Max versions of the chip, which are essentially doubling the GPU capabilities. And I expect those to be in the Pro level stuff, like MacBook Pro. And then, once in a while, if you're lucky, you'll get an Ultra version of a chip, which fuses two Maxes together. And then you get the real freaky benchmark results and extremely powerful Mac Studio and Mac Pro.

• 58:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Once in a while, because you're lucky, is the reason it continues to be more confusing. Because, and also like, Pro and Max, we're used to it together in this one term. Where now Pro and Max is separate. And like, all of them are just good adjectives. They're not laddering adjectives, like, all of those

• 58:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 58:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Ultra, Max means the maximum.

• 58:42Speaker 03

  Technically, Max is

• 58:43Andrew Manganelli?

  And then Ultra is two maximums. That doesn't make sense.

• 58:45Speaker 03

  That is actually, that's true. That is very true. I guess I'm used to knowing that Pro is a little above Base, and then Max is a little above Pro. And then Ultra is above Max.

• 58:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Pro Max. That's the

• 58:56Speaker 03

  Pro Max also, that's, Apple does do Pro Max too, which is annoying. But anyway, I have also pre-ordered a Mac Studio.

• 59:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Worth noting that because these are all pre-orders and they come out September 22nd.

• 59:08Speaker 03

  That's always a long time away. Take your time.

• 59:10David Imel?

  Almost a month.

• 59:11Speaker 03

  Take your time.

• 59:12David Imel?

  That's gonna be after the September event.

• 59:13Andrew Manganelli?

  That's just gotta mean that the September event has so much stuff in it that they can't toss this on at the end, but they want it to still come out similar time.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  I actually, I think two of that is happening. One, and you guys mentioned this about the iPhone, I think the September event is heavy on Pro and Fold.

• 59:30David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 59:31Speaker 03

  And they wanted to spend so much time on the Fold especially, that they had to move some stuff out of there, so they moved the base iPhones completely out of the September event.

• 59:38David Imel?

  Makes sense.

• 59:38Speaker 03

  To make a way to focus on the crazy stuff.

• 59:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  That's why I think we're gonna see that in like, spring, or like, early next year. And then for the October event, which we typically see as like, the Pro computer event, they're gonna focus so much on new MacBook Pro with OLED touchscreen, blah blah blah, that they needed to move some stuff out of there. And so here we're getting iMac, or Mac Mini and Mac Studio updates ahead of time, M6 chip ahead of time, so that they can get to that and spend more time.

• 1:00:06Andrew Manganelli?

  And visually, like, these are the least impressive. Even though these are incredible, iPhone Fold is a folding iPhone, you get to see new MacBooks. Like, all these things are things you can see. These are just little, super powerful computers.

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. They really have some paradigm explanations to do for, like, we've never had a folding iPhone. They really have to explain to the public why they would want a folding iPhone for the first time ever. And for the touchscreen MacBook Pro, it's been so many years of MacBook Pros not having touchscreens, when they finally do one, they really are gonna have to spend some time explaining and justifying, here's why we're making this, here's why you might want a touchscreen laptop. So, make some room in those events, and then, yeah, move stuff till early next year.

• 1:00:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Speaking of the Apple event.

• 1:00:51David Imel?

  Oh yeah, it just got announced.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  It did just get announced.

• 1:00:53David Imel?

  Live on the podcast. It'll be September 9th, it's Wednesday this year, which never happens, it's always the second Tuesday, but it is Labor Day that Monday, so I think that they just don't want people to travel on a holiday.

• 1:01:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I comment on this graphic?

• 1:01:07David Imel?

  Yeah, I wanna talk about it.

• 1:01:08Andrew Manganelli?

  You see this graphic?

• 1:01:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:09Andrew Manganelli?

  It looks like I just highlighted it with my mouse, but I didn't. That's actually what it looks like. Doesn't it kinda look like it was like, a darker image that I highlighted?

• 1:01:18Speaker 06

  To me, it reminds me of the sunshine flavored La Croix.

• 1:01:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, the iPhone's gonna have highlight?

• 1:01:24David Imel?

  So the tagline this year is Surprise and Shine. There's the Apple logo with sort of like, this displacement effect, and it's sort of glowing, and it has this like, lens flare going around the Apple logo. Strangely, I would've thought that they would've had some nod to the Fold.

• 1:01:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:40David Imel?

  But, I have no idea what this is gonna be, unless like, I dunno, maybe the torch is gonna be like, 30 times brighter.

• 1:01:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Why are we all calling it a torch?

• 1:01:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, what the hell? When did this happen? It's a flashlight, people. Marquez goes to the UK, I guess, none. I messed it up this time!

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  Careful, careful.

• 1:01:58David Imel?

  Careful, Ellis, careful, Ellis. I got torched for that last time.

• 1:02:02Speaker 06

  But it's all torch this, torch that.

• 1:02:05David Imel?

  I got torched for saying that last time, so be careful.

• 1:02:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:08David Imel?

  Uh, yeah, so I dunno, I dunno why they're calling it Surprise and Shine, like, what is it gonna have to do with that?

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  Surprise and Shine.

• 1:02:14David Imel?

  Surprise and Shine. Nothing's really a surprise, unless there's a crazy surprise.

• 1:02:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Except that it was on a Wednesday.

• 1:02:18David Imel?

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  I mean, Rise and Shine.

• 1:02:21David Imel?

  Well, yeah.

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  It's a play on Rise and Shine, so surprise.

• 1:02:24Andrew Manganelli?

  The Fold has to rise up when you open it.

• 1:02:26David Imel?

  Oh, yeah. That is actually the best thing I've heard so far. It might just be that. It's gonna have to rise open.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  Risers.

• 1:02:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Wrong one.

• 1:02:34David Imel?

  Yeah, it's the wrong one.

• 1:02:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Boo. Well, they did announce one more thing.

• 1:02:38David Imel?

  They did, oh god.

• 1:02:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Not everything is affected by Remiggenden.

• 1:02:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:41Andrew Manganelli?

  The polishing cloth at Apple is now $9.

• 1:02:44David Imel?

  It's less than half expensive.

• 1:02:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Less than half the price. What I'm confused about here, and there, we don't have confirmation yet.

• 1:02:51David Imel?

  It is a great polishing cloth.

• 1:02:52Andrew Manganelli?

  It is a nice polishing cloth. Is it smaller? We're assuming it's smaller, right?

• 1:02:58David Imel?

  I dunno.

• 1:02:58Andrew Manganelli?

  This, this.

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  Unconfirmed.

• 1:03:00Andrew Manganelli?

  It's unconfirmed because this store page has the overview of the polishing cloth, it has what's in the box.

• 1:03:05David Imel?

  Importantly, the compatibility list.

• 1:03:08Andrew Manganelli?

  A 50+ model length list of compatibilities? Nowhere does it say the dimensions of this polishing cloth. How? It even has, oh my goodness. But, based on the Apple logo, presumably the same size as the previous cloth, it is, I guess, takes up more space. I think it's smaller, it's $9. Is the last, is the other one not available anymore? I don't think it is.

• 1:03:31David Imel?

  If this was a bid to make people less mad about the prices of everything else going up, it's working. That's all they had to do. They just had to make the polishing cloth cheaper.

• 1:03:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Nine bucks.

• 1:03:40David Imel?

  And people used to meme it for $19. My hot take was always that it was worth $19, cuz it's really good. Like, it's a nano, you know, it's not a microfiber, it's nano fiber.

• 1:03:50Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like it can be good and not worth $19.

• 1:03:52Speaker 06

  No, it has a fatal flaw, which is like, if your phone is not insane, if anything you wipe with it is not ridiculously clean before you polish it, that cloth gets so disgusting and will never not be disgusting.

• 1:04:05David Imel?

  That's also true, yeah. The nano fibers get pretty.

• 1:04:08Speaker 03

  The hot take is, maybe it's not even a hot take, it's not a good polishing cloth.

• 1:04:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Whoa.

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  Just as far as.

• 1:04:14Speaker 06

  No, no, it's good at polishing.

• 1:04:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good, yeah, exactly. It's specifically good at, like, you have a clean surface you need to polish, and it's already, the grit's gone, you just need to polish it and make it shiny, or super clean, then that's what it's good for.

• 1:04:28David Imel?

  Yeah, you sandpaper to get the rest of the stuff off.

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  I just use my, I just. Usually works like a charm.

• 1:04:35David Imel?

  Hmm.

• 1:04:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, don't do that, don't do that.

• 1:04:37David Imel?

  No.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  That's gonna be a gif, unfortunately.

• 1:04:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Gif, gif, but yeah.

• 1:04:43David Imel?

  A gif. You go to the UK, sorry.

• 1:04:48David Imel?

  Anyway.

• 1:04:49Andrew Manganelli?

  You go on the internet one time.

• 1:04:50David Imel?

  You go on the internet one time.

• 1:04:51Speaker 03

  We should take a break.

• 1:04:52David Imel?

  Alright, we gotta take a break.

• 1:04:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. Trivia question?

• 1:04:54David Imel?

  Trivia question.

• 1:04:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Why'd you say like, a question? Of course we have a trivia question.

• 1:04:59David Imel?

  Trivia question.

• 1:05:00Speaker 06

  Trivia.

• 1:05:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Alright, this one I'm stealing from Ellis, cuz I love it so much. The Pixel has taken many shapes and forms over the years, but only two iterations of the Pixel have had the front-facing camera in the top-left corner of the phone.

• 1:05:12David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:05:12Andrew Manganelli?

  What were they?

• 1:05:13David Imel?

  I know one of them.

• 1:05:14Speaker 03

  Pixel, okay, so not Nexus.

• 1:05:16David Imel?

  Exactly. Two iterations.

• 1:05:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:20Speaker 06

  There were two. And then there were two.

• 1:05:22David Imel?

  Hold on, I know both of these.

• 1:05:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I think I know both.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  In the top-left corner of.

• 1:05:25David Imel?

  The phone.

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  Are we not counting foldables?

• 1:05:27David Imel?

  No.

• 1:05:28Speaker 03

  Because in the inside screen of the foldable.

• 1:05:29Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm gonna say no, let's not.

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  You said top-left?

• 1:05:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, yeah, top-left.

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  Top-left.

• 1:05:32Andrew Manganelli?

  And you're using the term.

• 1:05:33David Imel?

  Foldable's top-right.

• 1:05:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:05:35David Imel?

  Okay, top-left corner. I know this.

• 1:05:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, I know one of them. Remember Soli.

• 1:05:43David Imel?

  Don't.

• 1:05:44Andrew Manganelli?

  We should, we'll be right back.

• 1:05:45David Imel?

  We'll be right back.

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• 1:07:20David Imel?

  Alright, welcome back. This is a fun, weird collaboration I just wanted to bring up. So, Fitbit Air, as we all know, I'm still rocking mine, it's really gross now. I should probably shower with it on, just like.

• 1:07:33Speaker 03

  I've been charging my Whoop.

• 1:07:34David Imel?

  In the shower?

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:07:36David Imel?

  They tell you to.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  Charging in the shower?

• 1:07:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm pretty sure you are not supposed to do that.

• 1:07:40David Imel?

  That's insane. No, you are.

• 1:07:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, you can.

• 1:07:42David Imel?

  Every single time I take it off, I used to take the Whoop off to take a shower, it would be like, "No, you can charge it in the shower!" And it sends you a notification, and it's like, it's waterproof.

• 1:07:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Why would I ever want to do, okay.

• 1:07:53David Imel?

  Anyway, we got a Fitbit Air update, which is kinda cool. There's a Pokemon Sleep collaboration with the Fitbit Air.

• 1:08:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Cuz that's what we were waiting for.

• 1:08:01David Imel?

  Yeah. So, if you don't know what Pokemon Sleep is.

• 1:08:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't.

• 1:08:05David Imel?

  You don't know what Pokemon Sleep is? Uh, it's an app that is mostly made for kids to like, help them go to bed. There's a Snorlax, there's other Pokemon you can collect.

• 1:08:16Andrew Manganelli?

  For kids, and David and I.

• 1:08:18David Imel?

  Well, look, I'm gonna get, I would get a lot of crap for saying this is for ki, it's just like the robot movie, whatever. Anyway.

• 1:08:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Dog robot movie?

• 1:08:27David Imel?

  Just because, just because something is targeted at kids, doesn't mean only kids can enjoy it, okay?

• 1:08:34Speaker 03

  Ah, I see.

• 1:08:35Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like that's like Mr. Beast videos.

• 1:08:38David Imel?

  I don't enjoy those.

• 1:08:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Marvel.

• 1:08:40David Imel?

  Marvel.

• 1:08:40Speaker 03

  Spider-Man.

• 1:08:41David Imel?

  Not Marvel, not really Spider-Man. Pokemon, Pokemon's the perfect example.

• 1:08:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, Pokemon is.

• 1:08:46David Imel?

  It's targeted at kids, but I love Pokemon, and I'm 31. I'm turning to dust. So anyway, they have a Pokemon Sleep, Pokemon Sleep, it's an app that came out that basically, it tracks your sleep, and then, the better you sleep, the more you can like, befriend these Pokemon, and level up the Pokemon, and do stuff like that. So it's like, it's a game you play when you wake up and you try to get a better sleep score, and it's just trying to encourage kids to like, go to bed and sleep better, right? It's been out for a couple years.

• 1:09:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Noble cause.

• 1:09:17David Imel?

  Noble cause.

• 1:09:18Andrew Manganelli?

  I can't play this cuz I don't think you might better me. Sorry. We're tracking kids' sleep?

• 1:09:24David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I guess.

• 1:09:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I dunno why that sounds crazy to me. Also, I'm trying to Prestige in Call of Duty, I ain't sleeping as a kid. Like, I'm not playing this game.

• 1:09:32David Imel?

  Well, it's probably for like, six-year-olds, you know?

• 1:09:35Andrew Manganelli?

  I was on Call of Duty.

• 1:09:38Speaker 06

  I already see you twice by six years old.

• 1:09:41David Imel?

  Anyway, so, strange collaboration, um, they are releasing a Pokemon Sleep band. The color is actually really nice.

• 1:09:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Color's fantastic.

• 1:09:51David Imel?

  It's like, a really deep blue color, um, but it does.

• 1:09:54Speaker 03

  It's more Steph Curry colors than the Steph Curry band.

• 1:09:57David Imel?

  Probably true.

• 1:09:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 1:09:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Golden State Warriors are like, blue and gold, just like this.

• 1:10:01David Imel?

  And this is more of the blue that the Golden State Warriors are, yeah. Uh, it has a little tag on it that says Pokemon Sleep, which I don't think they should've added, I think that's, the wordmark is a little bit ugly, but it's got a sleeping Pikachu on it.

• 1:10:11Andrew Manganelli?

  The wordmark is weird.

• 1:10:12David Imel?

  It's weird to have a Pokemon Sleep wordmark on a band that you're gonna wear all day, you know what I mean?

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:17David Imel?

  When it says Pokemon Sleep. Unless, the whole point is to only put this on before you go to bed, which is also a thing, I guess.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  It is easy to change bands.

• 1:10:23David Imel?

  Yeah, if you really want to. Every day is crazy.

• 1:10:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I wouldn't do it every day.

• 1:10:26Speaker 06

  Pajama band!

• 1:10:28David Imel?

  Something that's cool about this, though, is that they, there's a, there's like four different Velcro notches on it. So the standard Fitbit Air, it's just one, oh, I'm wrong.

• 1:10:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I was gonna say, I thought that looked exactly the same.

• 1:10:43Speaker 03

  Investigative journalism is so back.

• 1:10:49David Imel?

  I didn't know that.

• 1:10:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Tell us what's cool about it.

• 1:10:51David Imel?

  Nothing. It's blue.

• 1:10:54Speaker 03

  Four Velcros.

• 1:10:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I was wondering why the Velcro isn't.

• 1:10:58David Imel?

  I, I had only looked at this side of the Velcro, but it turns out, yeah, nevermind. Anyway, I like the dark blue color. That's all I gotta say. It's nice.

• 1:11:08Andrew Manganelli?

  It looks nice.

• 1:11:09David Imel?

  Yeah, they're doing an official collaboration with Pokemon Sleep. Right now, my, my, on my iPhone, it doesn't want to integrate with my Apple Health data or my Fitbit or my Google Health data yet. So it hasn't worked for me yet, but it might also need an update that is not yet, because this technically gets announced tomorrow as of day of recording, but it will have already been announced by the time you guys hear about it.

• 1:11:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:34David Imel?

  So it's blue and doesn't have anything special about its Velcro, which is unfortunate, but I just wanted to mention that.

• 1:11:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Thank you for introducing me to Pokemon Sleep, because I'm very, still very confused about it, but.

• 1:11:48David Imel?

  Yeah, try it. I don't know. Maybe you'll like it. I don't know.

• 1:11:52Speaker 05

  Do they tie it into like the move at all?

• 1:11:55David Imel?

  A rest?

• 1:11:56Speaker 05

  Oh, is the move not even called Sleep?

• 1:11:57David Imel?

  No, it's called Rest.

• 1:11:58Andrew Manganelli?

  No, there's a move called Sleep.

• 1:12:00Speaker 05

  Isn't it a TM?

• 1:12:00David Imel?

  No, there's not. It's called Rest. I would know. I'm a 31-year-old who likes Pokemon.

• 1:12:06Speaker 05

  You know, when you were.

• 1:12:07David Imel?

  You can, Sleep Powder is also a move. Yeah.

• 1:12:09Speaker 05

  I was sick all weekend and I was playing Adams 3DS for a lot of it. And you saying, talking about Pokemon being for kids but enjoyed by adults made me think I was playing Super Mario 3D Land.

• 1:12:20David Imel?

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 1:12:21Speaker 05

  Quite, quite fun. And the whole time I was thinking, damn, these, these buttons are really small, until I had the realization like, right, it's for children.

• 1:12:31David Imel?

  It's targeted at children. We have to be clear about this, because I love games. I love Pokemon. I love all this stuff. I still play Pokemon TCG Pocket on my phone, because I will never stop, even if Alex abandoned me. Anyway, we gotta move on. Uh, real quick, this is also gonna announce this morning as of day of recording. Nothing OS 5, uh, it's a big update from them. It's mostly a cohesion and sort of spring cleaning in the summer update that makes the animations better. It makes them smoother. There's refreshed typefaces. There's new icons. There's two new lock screen clocks. It's sort of just like a visual refresh update and it's making a lot of the things on the phone that were not cohesive, more cohesive.

• 1:13:17Speaker 03

  I appreciate updates like this. I like that Android 17 was a lot of the stuff. It was a lot of like, hey, we've had stuff piling up in the corners that we're just gonna finally get to it and clean it up and make sure it's all working nicely.

• 1:13:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:29Speaker 03

  So if you make a skin for Android or if you make a ROM like Nothing OS on top.

• 1:13:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:34Speaker 03

  You gotta do that, too.

• 1:13:35David Imel?

  Yeah. They also made the dedicated glyph app now, so you don't have to just go into the settings and like find the glyph stuff.

• 1:13:42Speaker 03

  That makes sense.

• 1:13:42David Imel?

  Which I appreciate. I think that's really helpful. Um, there's small things like if you scan a QR code with the camera open, instead of the little icon of the link kind of moving with the QR code, it just gets affixed, which is helpful.

• 1:13:56Speaker 03

  To the bottom.

• 1:13:57David Imel?

  To like, I think wherever you scanned it from.

• 1:14:00Andrew Manganelli?

  I really like this new clock face widget where it's like text, but all kind of, it almost looks like comicy. And it can have like time, date, weather, you know, calendar things, but it doesn't feel like all these differences. It all feels cohesive between it.

• 1:14:14David Imel?

  I think my favorite new feature, which is a Brandon feature through and through, um, is that now there's this new collector widget. So you can create a sticker out of anything that you take a photo of. It will cut out the object and you can just stick that sticker on your home screen.

• 1:14:29Speaker 03

  That is very Brandon.

• 1:14:30David Imel?

  Which is so awesome.

• 1:14:31Andrew Manganelli?

  It's kinda sick.

• 1:14:32David Imel?

  It's really cool. It's really cool. It's just like whimsy for no reason, which I really appreciate. Um, yeah, so I don't know. It's a nice update.

• 1:14:40Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a nice update. It would have been cooler if they explained it while not playing really terrible pool and taking fake phone calls in that weird video they released.

• 1:14:47David Imel?

  Yeah, the explanation video was like a really long video where they didn't even get to the update till seven minutes, six and a half minutes through. And they're just playing pool the whole time, which is strange. I think they're just trying to be more relatable. They also released it on both the Nothing YouTube channel and Carl Pay's YouTube channel, which I did not know existed.

• 1:15:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Carl Pay YouTuber confirmed.

• 1:15:05David Imel?

  Confirmed. I mean, he, I mean, he does react. He does make react videos, so he is a YouTuber. Anyway, open beta is starting today as of day of recording. It will have been two days ago by the time you guys hear this for Nothing Phone 3. And other devices will be rolling out over the coming months, but they do have a public calendar for when that's happening, so. Yeah, just had to mention that. Um, we have anything else before, what is this?

• 1:15:30Speaker 03

  Adam wants to talk about something.

• 1:15:30David Imel?

  I got one more thing. I've had a couple of people ask me if I'm gonna do this again, and I wasn't going to, but you know what? Now I will. If you're into Premier League at all, we're doing a Waveform Fantasy League. Ellis is in it now. I got him in and he's picked Whole City for some reason as his squad, so.

• 1:15:46Speaker 05

  I picked, I picked Whole City the week before the league began and I've been riding nothing but highs ever since. Go Tigers.

• 1:15:54David Imel?

  By the time you listen to this episode, they will have lost again, but it's fine. So if you wanna join, link in the description. It'll be fun. Ellis and I are in there.

• 1:16:01Andrew Manganelli?

  How many people can join? Is it like infinite?

• 1:16:03David Imel?

  Last time there were hundreds, so I don't know.

• 1:16:04Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like, there's no cap to it?

• 1:16:06David Imel?

  I don't think so. I mean, I'm sure there is, but I don't think we reached it.

• 1:16:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, aren't there only so many players in the league? Or can you just pick? I guess I don't know how it works.

• 1:16:14Speaker 05

  It's not like normal fantasy where you draft someone and then no one else can get him. It's, it's you essentially like pick like a roster. Like everyone can have the same roster if you're ready.

• 1:16:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, cool. I feel like more people will. Socialist ass fantasy league.

• 1:16:30Speaker 03

  It's happening to Marquez.

• 1:16:31David Imel?

  Oh, man. I gotta say, okay, I wasn't gonna talk about this, but I have to.

• 1:16:35Speaker 03

  After that reaction, you do.

• 1:16:37David Imel?

  So much of my feed on social media, on all social media, YouTube, Twitter, Threads, Instagram, is this like humanoid robot Olympics? Have you guys seen this? And every one of them is a slightly different disaster.

• 1:16:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:52David Imel?

  And it's really, I have so many questions. We don't have to get into it, but I'll just show you guys the one that, um.

• 1:16:57Speaker 03

  This is so funny.

• 1:16:58David Imel?

  I'll put it in my, just, I just want you guys to think as you watch this. In regular track and field, isn't it a lane violation to leave your lane? Like, you're not allowed to leave your lane in the race.

• 1:17:10Speaker 03

  Well, Andrew Leaf says lane at home all the time.

• 1:17:12David Imel?

  That's a great pun.

• 1:17:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Shoot, it's very sad.

• 1:17:14David Imel?

  But yeah, just watch this video and while you watch about it, while you watch this video, just think like, I don't, I don't think you're allowed to leave your lane.

• 1:17:20Speaker 03

  Andrew will watch it on my.

• 1:17:21Andrew Manganelli?

  What video? Yeah.

• 1:17:26Speaker 03

  Oh my God, these robots are so funny to watch running.

• 1:17:33Andrew Manganelli?

  In a 100-meter race, you're not supposed to leave your lane.

• 1:17:35David Imel?

  For some reason, there is a competition happening in China where bipedal robots have to run as fast as physically possible.

• 1:17:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Four of those are the same one.

• 1:17:43David Imel?

  When one of them runs faster than a human, they'd be like, it broke Usain Bolt's record. And it's like, well, it's a robot.

• 1:17:49Speaker 03

  Like, but then it slammed into a wall and exploded.

• 1:17:51David Imel?

  Yeah, and exploded into 12 pieces.

• 1:17:53Speaker 03

  They're really funny. I, yeah.

• 1:17:55Andrew Manganelli?

  The best part of this is that they can't stop and they have to have that giant padded wall where half of them just explode when they hit it.

• 1:18:01David Imel?

  They start from a stop and then they start running. Why can't they stop running?

• 1:18:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Look at this one.

• 1:18:06David Imel?

  They can only crash into a wall. They all run past the finish line and then 12 yards later slam into a wall.

• 1:18:11Andrew Manganelli?

  They can only do the straightaway of the track.

• 1:18:14David Imel?

  No, they have 100 meters, they have 200s, they have 400s.

• 1:18:17Andrew Manganelli?

  We're watching here are just running straight and cannot curve at all, it seems.

• 1:18:20David Imel?

  Oh, yeah, they got some curves.

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  The funniest thing is that after they crash and break their legs, they carry them away on stretchers.

• 1:18:26Andrew Manganelli?

  The stretchers are great. I don't know why there aren't robots carrying them away on stretchers.

• 1:18:30Speaker 03

  Because they'd explode if they did that.

• 1:18:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Slam into the wall for no reason.

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  So funny.

• 1:18:33David Imel?

  If you ever had any doubts about, uh, China being really far ahead in humanoid robots, just watch some of these videos. Just Google world humanoid robot games.

• 1:18:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:43David Imel?

  On any social media and you'll see, they are, they are cooking. Anyway, I think that's it.

• 1:18:48Speaker 03

  Boxing? Some of them are boxing?

• 1:18:49David Imel?

  There's soccer, there's boxing. There is one that did a clean and jerk and it's just a robot picking up a weight. How is that a competition? Of course it could pick up the weight. It's a robot.

• 1:18:58Speaker 03

  I don't know, man. Grip strength? I don't know.

• 1:19:00David Imel?

  Grip strength? I programmed the motors to.

• 1:19:02Andrew Manganelli?

  What was the robot? I think it was Tesla Bot where they're like, don't worry, can only deadlift like 40 pounds. And that was supposed to make us feel like comfortable with it.

• 1:19:10David Imel?

  Yeah, it can only run X miles per hour and like pick up and grab certain strength.

• 1:19:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Just zigzag, you're fine.

• 1:19:15David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah. All right. We gotta do trivia.

• 1:19:18Speaker 03

  All right. Time for me to continually not get more trivia points.

• 1:19:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I?

• 1:19:24David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Marquez said something really funny to me the other day, which was, don't worry, I would have gotten both the trivia questions wrong from last week.

• 1:19:31David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:32Andrew Manganelli?

  And he apparently trusts you guys so little that his response to where is Texas Instruments headquarters was gonna be Shenzhen, China.

• 1:19:42Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it's really smart.

• 1:19:44Speaker 05

  If I was a Shenzhen manufacturing company, I would name my company Texas Instruments.

• 1:19:49David Imel?

  Exactly. Exactly. Either that, or they would have just gotten acquired by a Chinese company by now. Yeah.

• 1:19:55Speaker 05

  That was like, I saw that Slack message and it was one of the funniest things I've ever read.

• 1:19:58David Imel?

  It's kinda like how Hassablot is headquartered at the DJI headquarters in China. So it's not that far out.

• 1:20:05Speaker 03

  So anyway, I still have one trivia point.

• 1:20:06Speaker 05

  Yes, guys. Uh, WD40, what does the WD stand for? Hint, it was the original manufacturer purpose.

• 1:20:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:20:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, wait.

• 1:20:23Speaker 05

  You got this.

• 1:20:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Does spelling count?

• 1:20:28Speaker 05

  I just read Marquez's whiteboard and, um, crazy.

• 1:20:33David Imel?

  There's so many things that could be Western Digital, you know? That's like one of them. That's not my guess. I'm just kidding.

• 1:20:39Speaker 05

  That would be cute. You would guess Western Digital.

• 1:20:43Speaker 06

  What?

• 1:20:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:20:46David Imel?

  Okay, I wrote Western Digital.

• 1:20:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Did you see him write that?

• 1:20:50David Imel?

  No, I didn't.

• 1:20:51Andrew Manganelli?

  You just guessed it?

• 1:20:52David Imel?

  Marquez and I think alike.

• 1:20:53Speaker 03

  Great minds, great minds.

• 1:20:54David Imel?

  We think alike.

• 1:20:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I wrote water deterrent. I'm so close, aren't I?

• 1:20:58David Imel?

  It's actually pretty good. I wrote wet drying.

• 1:21:03Speaker 03

  What do you mean wet?

• 1:21:04Speaker 05

  How far behind, oh.

• 1:21:05Speaker 03

  What? What do you mean wet drying?

• 1:21:07David Imel?

  Because like it's.

• 1:21:09Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 1:21:09David Imel?

  Is that a thing that happens?

• 1:21:11Speaker 03

  Wet.

• 1:21:11David Imel?

  Drying?

• 1:21:12Speaker 05

  It's wet.

• 1:21:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I see what he means. Yeah, he's trying. It's you're supposed to dry the wet.

• 1:21:16Speaker 03

  You mean like how liquid chalk, you like put the the liquid on your hands and it makes them dry after it like evaporates? Cause it's got alcohol.

• 1:21:22David Imel?

  Don't they call some things like wet dry?

• 1:21:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Dries something.

• 1:21:25David Imel?

  I thought wet dry was a thing.

• 1:21:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Like you put a sponge on top of water and then you lift it up in the water.

• 1:21:29Speaker 03

  That's just drying.

• 1:21:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's drying the wet.

• 1:21:35Speaker 03

  What's the actual answer?

• 1:21:36David Imel?

  I appreciate that you guys are going to bat for me. I don't really know what I'm.

• 1:21:39Andrew Manganelli?

  WD-40 sounds better than D-40.

• 1:21:41Speaker 05

  Unfortunately, the answer is water.

• 1:21:44David Imel?

  Deterrent.

• 1:21:45Speaker 05

  Displacement. Water displacement. It was originally a coating for rockets to make sure they did not rust or corrode in their silos. Does anyone want to guess what the 40? Means?

• 1:21:57Speaker 03

  Forty.

• 1:21:58Andrew Manganelli?

  That must be the density. The density versus water?

• 1:22:01Speaker 05

  No, there's no like real confirmation on this, but allegedly it was the 40th iteration of the formula.

• 1:22:09David Imel?

  You know, I can displace water too.

• 1:22:11Speaker 03

  You just hold on to the rocket.

• 1:22:13David Imel?

  I just jump into it.

• 1:22:14Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:22:15Speaker 03

  Wow, another non point for me.

• 1:22:17David Imel?

  All right.

• 1:22:17Speaker 06

  Next question, but first quick update on the score. Marquez with uno. Andrew with tres. David with cuatro. Ha, ha, ha. All right. Question. The Pixel has taken many shapes and forms over the years, but only two iterations of the Pixel had the hole punch, front facing camera.

• 1:22:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:37Speaker 06

  In the top left corner of the phone.

• 1:22:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:40Speaker 06

  What were they?

• 1:22:47Speaker 03

  Do we want?

• 1:22:48Speaker 06

  It's four individual phones. If you give me any of the two.

• 1:22:53Andrew Manganelli?

  That's what's confusing me now.

• 1:22:55David Imel?

  No, I'll I'll explain it to you.

• 1:22:57Speaker 06

  But you have to get two. It can't be like one and one. Yeah.

• 1:23:02Andrew Manganelli?

  But I think that's why I'm confused, which makes me think I got it wrong.

• 1:23:06Speaker 05

  This is Google's fault. This is not my fault. Okay, I'm doing great.

• 1:23:09Speaker 06

  It's the Pixel Pro Max Ultra, which is what don't you understand? All right, flip them and read. What do we got?

• 1:23:16Speaker 06

  All right.

• 1:23:16Speaker 03

  Kind of hedged.

• 1:23:17David Imel?

  The Pixel 6 had it in the middle.

• 1:23:20Speaker 03

  Okay, so I'm probably wrong. So I said Pixel 6.

• 1:23:23Speaker 06

  Nope.

• 1:23:24Speaker 03

  Pixel fours.

• 1:23:26David Imel?

  You wrote Pro?

• 1:23:27Speaker 06

  Pixel 4.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  The 4 did have it.

• 1:23:28David Imel?

  Also Pixel 4 Pro and.

• 1:23:29Speaker 06

  But you're not getting the point for that, sorry.

• 1:23:31David Imel?

  There wasn't a Pixel 4 Pro.

• 1:23:32Speaker 03

  Excel.

• 1:23:33Speaker 06

  4 didn't have it?

• 1:23:34David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:34Speaker 03

  Whatever.

• 1:23:35David Imel?

  That solely though, which was.

• 1:23:36Speaker 06

  Oh, you're right. Yeah. No, Pixel 4 didn't have it. So you're wrong.

• 1:23:41David Imel?

  Wait, why did I write Pixel 4?

• 1:23:42Speaker 06

  What'd you guys write?

• 1:23:43David Imel?

  I wrote Pixel 5.

• 1:23:45Speaker 06

  5?

• 1:23:47David Imel?

  Pixel 4 Series, which was it was just the 4A and 4A XL, wasn't it?

• 1:23:52Speaker 06

  It was just the 4A.

• 1:23:53Andrew Manganelli?

  It was the 4A?

• 1:23:54David Imel?

  4. Ah, that's.

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  4A 5G.

• 1:23:56Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:23:57David Imel?

  Andrew, which was the 4A XL.

• 1:23:59Andrew Manganelli?

  I wrote 5A, but it's because of the release dates. I'm thinking of the.

• 1:24:03Speaker 06

  The 5A had it.

• 1:24:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I was.

• 1:24:05Speaker 06

  Andrew gets the point.

• 1:24:05Andrew Manganelli?

  So smart.

• 1:24:06David Imel?

  So do I get a point for Pixel 5?

• 1:24:07Speaker 06

  You do not.

• 1:24:08David Imel?

  Why?

• 1:24:09Speaker 05

  The Pixel 5 had it, he does.

• 1:24:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, I said at the beginning, you need to get two correct.

• 1:24:13David Imel?

  But he only got one correct.

• 1:24:14Speaker 06

  No, he got both 5 and 5A. They both have top left.

• 1:24:16David Imel?

  Oh, wow. Nice. I'm so mad.

• 1:24:18Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:24:19Speaker 03

  Well played, Andrew.

• 1:24:20Speaker 05

  Did the A4 come out before the 5A?

• 1:24:23Speaker 03

  Before the W4D?

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  And thank you guys for watching this episode of the Waveform Podcast. We are so happy to have you as we dive into tech timber. Get subscribed if you haven't already, because there's going to be all sorts of coverage of all the stuff that comes out. It's going to be exciting. I've pre-ordered some of it. I've I've been getting my hands on some of it. Uh, and there will be all sorts of fun in between and trivia questions. I promise I'll get one right. Thanks for watching. Catch you guys next week. Peace.

• 1:24:51Speaker 06

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• 1:24:55Speaker 05

  Bingo.

• 1:25:07David Imel?

  You also watched the F1 movie on the plane.

• 1:25:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:25:09David Imel?

  Well, 80% of it, and then you finished it later.

• 1:25:12Speaker 03

  I finished it later.

• 1:25:13David Imel?

  But that's not an anime.

• 1:25:14Speaker 03

  I mean, it's not not an anime.

• 1:25:19David Imel?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:25:20Speaker 03

  We'll come back to that.

• 1:25:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, you know what? Let's talk about that.

• 1:25:26David Imel?

  Let's get into it.

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