YouTube Views Feel Fake Now

This week, Andrew and David take over the podcast while Marques is out for Ultimate Frisbee. First, it's all about the new Instagram logo before they get into the news that YouTube is changing what counts as a view. Then it's all about the newest AirPods with cameras leak and a new open-source trackball that Andrew and Ellis are excited about. Enjoy! Links: YouTube changing how views count MacRumors - Apple AirPods leak Bloopy - New A+ trackball This episode brought to you by: Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/waveform Follow us on socials: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger.

• 1:05Speaker 03

  No, sorry, not 30.

• 1:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Badger, badger, badger. Mushroom, mushroom.

• 1:09Speaker 04

  What just happened?

• 1:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Thank you, David, for not making me look insane.

• 1:17David Imel?

  What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

• 1:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 1:24David Imel?

  And I'm David. Got you again. You guys are never gonna stop falling for that. Marquez is once again in Ireland, being hot with his frisbee, as usual.

• 1:35Andrew Manganelli?

  It's pretty rainy there.

• 1:36David Imel?

  Yeah. Well, he's cooled off. He's cooled off. But today, today, we got a lot of, we're gonna start spitting some hot fire for you guys. We got a lot of stories. We got AirPods with the camera have officially leaked. We got a video of it, so we can see what they look like. It's pretty weird. There's a bunch of other Apple products that got leaked that we're gonna talk about. YouTube is changing how numbers work once again, because views are completely fake, as always. And we also got an open source project that Ellis is gonna love. But first.

• 2:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Promise.

• 2:08David Imel?

  Did you see our eclipse episode? I know we've talked about this like 10,000 times, but our eclipse episode is pretty cool. It released on Tuesday.

• 2:16Speaker 04

  10,001 now.

• 2:17David Imel?

  So if you only saw us hyping it for like 10,002 times, now you can actually go watch it. It's pretty good.

• 2:24Andrew Manganelli?

  It's really good. I, I've seen a lot of comments that are like, this is the only time I've ever seen a video or like media of the eclipse that's in like real time.

• 2:33David Imel?

  Yes.

• 2:33Andrew Manganelli?

  And that's kind of exactly what we were going for. We just wanted it to be a fun time hanging out and then like experience the eclipse as best as you can. And I think we nailed it.

• 2:44David Imel?

  I think we nailed it.

• 2:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I've watched it like four times already. Claire loved it. My family's loved it. I think you should go watch it if you haven't watched it. And if you didn't watch it, that means you're not subscribed, so you should also subscribe.

• 2:55David Imel?

  That's true.

• 2:56Andrew Manganelli?

  What if we do it again?

• 2:56David Imel?

  We did ask you to hit the bell icon. If you didn't do that yet, I don't know what you're doing. It's only like 45 minutes, so it's very consumable. You can watch it with your breakfast cereal, you know, something like that.

• 3:06Andrew Manganelli?

  How long does it take you to eat breakfast?

• 3:08David Imel?

  Look, my cereal's soggy by the time I'm finishing my video, okay? But before the news, we got, did they even test this? As usual, gonna throw it to Ellis this time.

• 3:17Speaker 03

  As usual, I stopped doing this because I'm always wrong. It's always my fault. Every single time, there's like, did they even test it? No, I'm just not doing it right.

• 3:25Andrew Manganelli?

  There's a level of that, that's like, we are the tech people. If we can't get something right off the start, like, yes, maybe we missed it, but like, maybe it's also not programmed that well if we are missing.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  Nah, it's, it's usually.

• 3:38David Imel?

  You're right, you're more.

• 3:39Speaker 03

  I'm the problem. Well, okay, so for me, I'm now the proud owner, as of like two or three months ago, of AirPod Pro 3s. I finally switched from the 2s to the 3s.

• 3:48David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 3:49Speaker 03

  And for all intents and purposes, they're AirPods.

• 3:53David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 3:54Speaker 03

  AirPods Pro, can't go wrong. Except I have this weird thing where when my laptop is in my backpack, closed, if I don't turn Bluetooth off on my laptop before putting it in my backpack, my AirPods will just constantly disconnect from my phone.

• 4:11David Imel?

  What?

• 4:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 4:12Speaker 03

  Constantly.

• 4:12Speaker 04

  Are they following?

• 4:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:13Andrew Manganelli?

  And are, do you think they're connecting to the?

• 4:15Speaker 03

  If my iPad's in my backpack, I have to put that on, I have to turn Bluetooth off before.

• 4:19David Imel?

  That's weird.

• 4:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you think they're connecting to the laptop?

• 4:22Speaker 03

  It's my best guess, because when I do that, I don't have the connectivity issues. That seems to be the only thing that changes the behavior. I'm sure it's my fault somehow. I have all sorts of funky scripts running on that laptop, but also it's like, maybe the iPad then doesn't really make much sense.

• 4:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  And also, I just want to say, it doesn't happen when I take Office iPads out for various things. Like, it's only my personal iPad.

• 4:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, wait, sorry, I missed that part. It connects to your iPad if you don't turn off Bluetooth?

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. My, it connects to my M1 small, iPad Pro. But when I have the Office's M something newer, large iPad Pro, doesn't matter.

• 5:04Speaker 04

  Are you signed into the same iCloud account?

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, all three of them are on my iCloud account.

• 5:07Andrew Manganelli?

  My thought on the laptop was if you have something running like, what's it called? Like caffeine or something like that?

• 5:13Speaker 03

  No, I mean, like, this is part of the reason I think it's my fault. I have so much stuff running on that laptop. It looked, I'm sure the inside of my laptop looks like a NASCAR car. Like, there's just like stuff that I've like spattered all over it. But then, like, you can't really do that to an iPad. But then also, why are, I thought all iPads were this. Anyway, if anyone would like to tell me what I'm doing wrong and how much this is my fault, I'll accept it. It's always, I know, I know how this goes. This ain't my first, did he even test this?

• 5:44David Imel?

  To be clear, is your computer like doing things even though it's closed? Like, you have it running?

• 5:50Speaker 03

  No, and to be honest, I always sort of thought that like, even if you have like a caffeine script running forever, when your laptop is closed, it shouldn't, like, the closed lid should override a lot of stuff. But I also know there's a lot of programs, like Touch Designer. If you leave Touch Designer running, even with caffeine off and your laptop closed, you will open your computer to a dead laptop, like.

• 6:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  So I'm sure there's just something running somewhere that loves.

• 6:21Andrew Manganelli?

  It's the iPad thing that confuses me more.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 6:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I could see like a weird something happening with it, like thinking it's in clamshell mode, so thinking it's like connected and wanting to be there, but like the iPad, I can't imagine.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  And it doesn't happen on my Pro 2s. It's only the 3s to add another layer of intrigue to this caper.

• 6:39Speaker 04

  Have you tried putting the iPad in clamshell mode?

• 6:43Speaker 03

  Just take it like.

• 6:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Fold it in half.

• 6:45Speaker 03

  Right over the knee, baby.

• 6:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Fold the body.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  So yeah, that's my, and you know, I'm sure they did test this. This seems like something that they would test. They probably just didn't test it with my bohemian lifestyle, so to speak.

• 6:59Andrew Manganelli?

  If AirPods had little cameras to be able to tell what you're working on, it might be able to automatically connect. Just a thought, Apple, if you want.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  This is gonna be an episode now.

• 7:09David Imel?

  We will get to that. We will get to that.

• 7:11Andrew Manganelli?

  We will.

• 7:11David Imel?

  But first, I feel like the true, did they even test this? Is the Instagizam logo? Instagizam, like the Shaq movie?

• 7:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I think the funniest part about this logo, which David's talking about, the new Instagram logo, is even when people try and talk, like, enunciate it by the letters that looks like it is now, because it's so bad, it's still not going, like Instagizam. It's just, it's Instagizam. There's no R there. Like, right? Like, we keep adding extra letters, because the R looks like a Z, and it's so confusing at what it.

• 7:47David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 7:47Andrew Manganelli?

  I honestly think someone who didn't know about Instagram wouldn't be able to say this out loud.

• 7:51David Imel?

  I also think that Instagram's core user base doesn't know how to write cursive. Because they did stop teaching cursive in schools, so.

• 7:59Speaker 03

  I can't believe I'm about to defend.

• 8:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Do it.

• 8:02Speaker 03

  Meta, but like, what are you guys talking about? What are you guys talking about? Are we really?

• 8:06David Imel?

  The biggest problem is the R looking like a Z. That's the biggest problem.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  Dude, it's Instagram. Like, like, everyone knows what Instagram is. There's like, outside of like, straight up like North Korea, I bet even in North Korea, people know what Instagram is.

• 8:21David Imel?

  I know that people know what it looks like.

• 8:23Speaker 03

  It's one of those words that you don't even read anymore. Like, when is the last, like, obviously, it's a subconscious process, but I guarantee you, at no point in the last 10 years have you ever actually read the word Instagram? You just see words that are in the vague shape of the word Instagram. And you go, that's Instagram.

• 8:38David Imel?

  The wordmark is now at the top of the app. Well, it's replaced the old logo at the top of the app. The old wordmark. So you still the old one?

• 8:47Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it's the new one.

• 8:48David Imel?

  Oh, you have the new one?

• 8:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I, I have Instagram on my phone, because I wanted to post stuff from Spain.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  I re-downloaded it from Spain.

• 8:55Andrew Manganelli?

  And I'm very worried I'm not gonna delete it, so someone forced me to.

• 8:59David Imel?

  Do it now. Do it live on the podcast.

• 9:01Speaker 03

  Right now.

• 9:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Thank you, thank you.

• 9:02David Imel?

  He talks your life.

• 9:03Andrew Manganelli?

  These are the friends you need.

• 9:05David Imel?

  Yeah. Come on.

• 9:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm doing it. Uninstall.

• 9:09David Imel?

  Oh.

• 9:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Uninstall.

• 9:10David Imel?

  Instagizam is gone.

• 9:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Goodbye.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  It's done.

• 9:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, it's called Instagram?

• 9:16David Imel?

  Instagram, mom, you're still using that app.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  I never want to give this company a pass, but.

• 9:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Ellis approved.

• 9:22Speaker 03

  Ellis approved.

• 9:23David Imel?

  I am.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  It's in line with their other word marks. Like Meta, WhatsApp, like it just looks the same as those now.

• 9:29David Imel?

  Does it?

• 9:30Speaker 03

  Pretty much. I mean, it's a sans serif, you know, evenly spaced.

• 9:33Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not Chobani.

• 9:35Speaker 03

  It's not Chobani.

• 9:36David Imel?

  It doesn't really look like.

• 9:36Andrew Manganelli?

  It doesn't look anything.

• 9:37David Imel?

  The Meta word mark is just

• 9:40David Imel?

  a regular serif.

• 9:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, WhatsApp is about as plain as you could think.

• 9:44David Imel?

  It's just the, it's just the cursive.

• 9:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, it just fits in.

• 9:46David Imel?

  I did see a, like a rebrand thing where all they did was connect the G to the R.

• 9:53Andrew Manganelli?

  The Z.

• 9:54David Imel?

  Yeah, the Z. And it actually made it look normal. I don't know, guys.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  What I'm curious about is like, there was definitely a meeting where they were like, what part of the old logo do we keep? And someone was like, it's not Instagram without the S and the R.

• 10:10David Imel?

  And.

• 10:10Speaker 03

  And that was, I don't know.

• 10:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 10:13Speaker 03

  Anyway.

• 10:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I asked two of our designers in the office today to send me a quick, um, their thoughts.

• 10:19David Imel?

  Redesign?

• 10:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah. Do you want to hear Olivia or Tim's thoughts first?

• 10:22David Imel?

  Olivia.

• 10:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. She said, "New Instagram logo feels pretty static and bland. The old logo felt so much more human and personable. I think it also became nostalgic to some degree. It's extremely hard to read, feels too clean. It's not the worst thing I've ever seen. Things change and evolve over time, but it's definitely not groundbreaking."

• 10:39David Imel?

  Okay.

• 10:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that's very fair.

• 10:42David Imel?

  Solid. What about Tim's?

• 10:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I totally understand by the way that like, changes to anything get backlash? I just think the R looks like a Z and it's hard to read. Tim said, "The most Gen Z logo ever, only somewhat capable of writing a word in cursive. I understand they're trying to bridge the gap between old and new, but this bridge is broken. The logo isn't legible at the end of the day."

• 11:04David Imel?

  Banger.

• 11:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Sorry.

• 11:06David Imel?

  This bridge is broken.

• 11:07Andrew Manganelli?

  This bridge is broken.

• 11:08David Imel?

  Nice. Yeah, I heard someone say, "You can't go back to the classic logo for an anniversary if you never change it at least once." You know what I mean?

• 11:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 11:16David Imel?

  That's true. So.

• 11:17Speaker 03

  Hashtag Philadelphia 76ers.

• 11:19David Imel?

  In 10 years, they'll, they'll have a week where they bring back the classic logo and everyone will like them again. So.

• 11:25Andrew Manganelli?

  That's true. Still won't be chronological.

• 11:27David Imel?

  I mean, the young kids are apparently not even on Instagram anymore. I think young people are probably just most on Snapchat nowadays anyway. Instagram's probably cringe, so.

• 11:34Andrew Manganelli?

  That's fair. Um, at what point do young people graduate out of Snap into Instagram?

• 11:39David Imel?

  I don't think it's graduating.

• 11:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't.

• 11:41David Imel?

  I think Snap has a much stronger hold than we would like to believe.

• 11:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I agree with.

• 11:46Speaker 04

  Agree. I just don't know anyone besides Tim that actually uses Snap. Like, I knew a lot of people that used Snap back in the day. And then everyone just like evolved into Instagram, but somehow Snap keeps getting new users?

• 11:58David Imel?

  I have.

• 11:59Speaker 04

  Do they just stay there or?

• 12:00David Imel?

  I've talked to a lot of youth recently, um, and they are all about it. They, they're like, oh, we use it for just messaging. There's group chats now. They use it for like all their messaging.

• 12:12Speaker 04

  But that's what I mean. Like, how long will it stay that way?

• 12:16David Imel?

  Well, I don't think it's like you graduate to a boomer app.

• 12:20Speaker 04

  I think you do. That's exactly what I'm saying. I feel like you do.

• 12:23David Imel?

  To the millennial.

• 12:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like the app graduates to a next age life shelf. I don't know what to do. Like, like, it just grows with Gen Z. And then eventually, whatever the next generation and goes. But if Gen Z, when Gen Z becomes a slur, then they.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  But if that was the case, we'd all still be on Snap. Because I use Snap all the time back in the day. And then little by little, all of my friends dropped off.

• 12:49David Imel?

  Yeah, but that's, it was, that was for other reasons.

• 12:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Claire and I and a couple of our parent friends, Snap has turned into the like tamer way of just sending pictures of silly things our kids are doing. Like, like the one where it doesn't deserve a whole chat thread or like muck up the group chat that we have between our friends. But just like a, "Look what Lane's doing right now. Like, look what my kid's doing right now. It's kind of funny, but like if you don't see this, I don't really care."

• 13:13David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 13:13Andrew Manganelli?

  That's what Snap is for for the moment right now.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  I wish it was like email where, you know, you could just have one client and get all these different kinds of messages on a. Nothing, David?

• 13:24David Imel?

  I'm sorry. I was thinking about something else.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  I was like, Ellis, no, no!

• 13:28David Imel?

  Is it federated? He was baiting me. Yeah, it should be like email. It should be an open protocol. So you could snap between Instagram and Snapchat.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Just so I could have like.

• 13:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  Con- communi- the, the communication app on my phone.

• 13:42David Imel?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 13:42Speaker 03

  That I got everything on.

• 13:43David Imel?

  Yeah, we'll just move to China, use WeChat for everything.

• 13:46Speaker 04

  That's the communication app.

• 13:48Speaker 03

  Where's the text eclipse, you said?

• 13:50David Imel?

  They both have stories, so, because Meta stole that. All right, um, the big story this week, or one of the big stories this week. YouTube has once again changed how views work, uh, which is, I think, a bad move. Their reasoning, so, so effectively what they did is that a while ago, they changed the way that Shorts views work. So that as soon as a short starts playing, it counts as a view. The reason they said they did this was because that's how all the other platforms do it, because all the other platforms want to inflate their, uh, success in comparison to YouTube. Now YouTube is like, okay, well, now our mainline videos are long, long form videos as they're put, even if they're only four minutes.

• 14:34David Imel?

  Needs to adapt to the way that everybody else is doing it. So now, just like Shorts, the minute, the second, a single frame.

• 14:44Andrew Manganelli?

  The frame.

• 14:44David Imel?

  The frame of video plays, including autoplay, is counted as a view.

• 14:51David Imel?

  I, this is gonna mess everything up for a while. There's gonna be a calibration period.

• 14:56Andrew Manganelli?

  This is, I mean, we've kind of been through this already, like you said, with Shorts. And I liked, at least when they did it with Shorts, they basically admitted, "Everyone else is inflating them, me too." Like, "I want to also do this." And while I didn't like it at that point, they, you know, it did kind of make sense with the other platforms, although they're admitting this. I feel like a lot of big tech companies don't like to admit there is other competition, like Apple famously never likes to talk about anyone else. And I feel like you kind of, it's the power move to just pretend you are you.

• 15:29David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 15:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, yeah. So by admitting all that, it kind of feels like a, we're a little scared, and they should have been scared in Shorts. Doing it here is this, because they're still doing this thing where it's only public view count.

• 15:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 15:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Engaged views is still the thing that all of the creators still care about. And now it's now hidden in YouTube Studio.

• 15:49David Imel?

  Yeah, so traditional views, which require a certain amount of seconds of playback, are now called engaged views. And, uh, that's what you're gonna be paid based on. That's where all of the metrics come from when you're trying to, when you're trying to become part of the YouTube Partner Program. Which we didn't mention last week, but they actually doubled the amount of hours that you need to have, uh, to get into the Partner Program.

• 16:12Andrew Manganelli?

  That was its own, like, roller coaster of both of these news things. Uh, I think you have written down here that the new requirements are 10 million short views in 90 days, uh, or 8,000 qualified watch hours, or 20 million qualified Shorts views in 90 days. Is the new requirements to join the Partner Program?

• 16:29David Imel?

  So there's a, there's a separate Shorts program as there is a long form program. The Shorts program is, uh, let's see, let me find it here.

• 16:41David Imel?

  Yeah. The Shorts program, if you want to be paid for Shorts, is you have to get 10 million Shorts views within a 90 day period. Which seems like a lot, I'm just gonna say. I know that Shorts are, like, they're all counted differently and whatever, but you're still just like, hoping that the algorithm likes you, and you're gonna have to really, really, really be pumping that. Also, by the way, Shorts don't pay for that. Shorts really don't pay that much, like, at all. And then now, uh, if you want to be a part of the YouTube Partner Program for the regular long form videos, you have to have 8,000 qualified watch hours. So previously it was 4,000. It's kind of hard to get to, um, and 8,000 seems like a lot now. So it's gonna take new creators

• 17:22David Imel?

  quite a lot of time of just making things without getting any monetization before they can start getting paid, which is tough.

• 17:28Andrew Manganelli?

  It is, and it's YouTube, like, I'm not gonna sit here and try and defend YouTube that hard, but it is a a way that people can make money off of making a bunch of content on a place that uploads and stores massive, massive, massive amounts of data.

• 17:44David Imel?

  Um, yeah.

• 17:44Andrew Manganelli?

  So like, with so many more people coming on, continually raising the requirements is something they probably have to do at a certain point.

• 17:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 17:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Um.

• 17:52David Imel?

  Cause they're paying out sort of a pool of available ad revenue.

• 17:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Especially in Shorts. Like, that is.

• 17:57David Imel?

  Especially in Shorts.

• 17:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, and so. Bumping that was like, okay, this is so much harder now. This is literally twice as hard and it was pretty hard already. Then when they did the view change, they announced this view change. People were like, oh, maybe this isn't that bad.

• 18:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Because now views are going to be counted easier. Maybe not twice as much, but easier. But then within the blog post that they posted and Renee Ritchie's video explaining it is these requirements are based on engaged views. So essentially based on the old version of you. So actually nothing's changed, except that it is all now doubled.

• 18:29David Imel?

  This is also just going to be very confusing because the way that a lot of YouTubers get paid outside of YouTube is that they go to these brand partners. And they say, here's all my metrics. You can see it publicly, but also I have YouTube studio metrics that I can hand to you. Now there's going to be a discrepancy between what the brand sees publicly on youtube.com and what the creator gives to them from Creator Studio. And what the creator gives to them is going to be way lower. Which I'm a little worried will make the brands kind of be like, oh, we thought that you were getting this much, but you're actually getting this much. I'm not really sure I want to work with you now.

• 19:04Andrew Manganelli?

  And I think part of that is, I mean, we've joked about it a million times on the podcast, but still in influencer marketing and brands and everyone feels like they just really don't understand the landscape of engagement. I mean,

• 19:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 19:18Andrew Manganelli?

  there's impressions, there's, there's views, there's watch hours, there's all these different things and so many of the subscribers, so many of them are still like, you have 5 million subscribers. I can't tell that your videos are getting 10,000 view now because you haven't really been making a lot of content. So like, it's already confusing for them. We're throwing another wrench in here now. And I do think brand deals are going to be hurt on this.

• 19:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Part of that might be because a lot of creators might take advantage of this off the riff. If you had to take a guess, what do you think the average view count percentage increase would be for like a standard popular video? I don't think it's going to be double. But the more you pop up on the like,

• 20:01David Imel?

  Six, 40 to 60%.

• 20:02Andrew Manganelli?

  I would guess like 20 to 40% increase at first of like what a view count. If a person might get a million views, I would not be surprised if like a 1.4 million view publicly is what might show up, whether that's just random autoplay is when you're scrolling. Like it feels weird to me that I might be reaching for a video on the right side of my homepage. And I might accidentally give two views out with my mouse just hovering on the way over.

• 20:30David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 20:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, there's a lot of quote views to be put around here. And, and when they say this is what other people do. It's also in a weird other sense, and I'm definitely rambling here, but like Twitter and Facebook did this because they're still scrolling chronological feeds that autoplay and they want to boost their videos.

• 20:47David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 20:48Andrew Manganelli?

  So, so much because they want to look like

• 20:50David Imel?

  They want to compete with YouTube. They want to feel competitive with YouTube.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  Would you say that this is basically just an impression now? Like a view is an impression?

• 20:58David Imel?

  No.

• 20:59Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not yet because an impression still counts anytime a thumbnail is served.

• 21:03David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:03Andrew Manganelli?

  So if I were looking at the YouTube homepage right now, there might be 10 videos. All of those get one impression. Three of those now might get a view because of a hovering autoplay or just a random autoplay because when you're like, I guess in mobile, you are still scrolling. Mobile has the best chance of giving random videos a ton of extra views.

• 21:23David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:24Andrew Manganelli?

  But I still don't think full on impression. Yeah. I think that number will still be higher.

• 21:29David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Because of just serving a thumbnail and also serving a thumbnail on the right side recommended on browser. None of those are going to really autoplay, but those are all still going to be an impression.

• 21:38David Imel?

  One thing I was kind of thinking about was that generally when I get to near the end of a video, I sometimes will pause like one or two seconds before the video ends because I don't want another video to autoplay. But then occasionally I think about, well, I would like the creator to get a 100% watch rate for me. So I just let it finish, but then it it just starts playing another video. And so now like the amount of videos that just I'm, I watch a frame of, but they have a view is kind of going to be messed up. I don't know. I think it makes sense for YouTube to want to show their superiority by changing the way that they count views to the same way everybody else is.

• 22:19David Imel?

  But they just, they just don't need, it feels like a reaction to competition that didn't really exist.

• 22:24Speaker 04

  Yeah. I feel like it makes them seem not superior.

• 22:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I totally agree.

• 22:27David Imel?

  I agree with you.

• 22:27Andrew Manganelli?

  This feels like the scared move.

• 22:29David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 22:30Andrew Manganelli?

  I think before in the creator economy and I'll admit us and the people listening to us see the creator economy way different than like most average people do just looking on YouTube. But like every person in

• 22:45Andrew Manganelli?

  ever who makes content just considers a view on YouTube to be exponentially more like worth it or profitable or what, yeah, valuable

• 22:57David Imel?

  Valuable.

• 22:58Andrew Manganelli?

  than any other view on any other platform. I mean, like you could possibly argue that a long form YouTube view is equal to like a thousand TikTok views, probably even higher than that.

• 23:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 23:10Andrew Manganelli?

  And that was in itself, like every TikToker, every Instagram reels person, every one, they all want to be YouTubers because there's better money on YouTube and that all. It's nothing to take away from them, but like that is where the money seems to be. YouTube has figured out monet station the best.

• 23:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 23:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Instagram hasn't even figured it out at all. So I think by now being like, oh, we're going to be about the same views. It feels like you're I don't know. Yeah. It feels scared. I get this whole, we want to make it easier to understand and whatever, but that feels like it's tech is so good at being like technically correct on things, but very clearly like this is just a play to in their eyes have inflated view numbers.

• 23:56David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 23:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Which I think is a bad thing.

• 23:58David Imel?

  It's going to be interesting to see them do their earnings call. You know, it's part of Google, but I'm wondering if Google will go and say like YouTube had a really great quarter. We, our views went up by this. Or if they're going to explain how that works.

• 24:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Like are they going to pitch to advertisers? Wow. We've seen a 30% increase in views on videos and like, are they going to create their own? What do we call it? Admageddon? What was the old one where like?

• 24:27David Imel?

  Adpocalypse.

• 24:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Adpocalypse. Sorry. Yeah. Are they going to create their own one where they're going to like pitch all these increased view counts? And then like all these companies are going to be like, yeah, I'm all in and then see the same exact thing and no increase. And those companies aren't going to want to advertise as much. I don't know.

• 24:43David Imel?

  I think overall there's just going to be kind of an evening out period where creators are like, hey, look at all these views that I'm getting. And then the companies will be like, wow, that's awesome. They'll probably pay them more for a short period, but eventually that will normalize and

• 24:56Andrew Manganelli?

  One thing to clarify in here, August 24th, this launches, any video posted after that will have the new view slash engage view metric. Any video posted before that will keep its original views and any views added on after the 24th will be the new metric. So that's going to be a little confusing with those things, but you might see like spikes in videos that have been posted beforehand. What I think is a little funny right now is YouTube owned by Google. I mean, this is a very tech niche funny part, but just launched the pixel. Generally our three biggest podcasts of the year are like Samsung launch, pixel launch, Apple launch.

• 25:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 25:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Pixel video did great. I think it was a one out of 10. And then they're going to change these views and now we're going to get the Apple thing out and Apple's going to look like it's doubling and or tripling views. Because it usually does a little better already and now it's going to get inflated views. So publicly the iPhone is going to look so much more popular. Send the pixel at least to a waveform crowd.

• 25:56David Imel?

  That's true.

• 25:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is kind of

• 25:57David Imel?

  I think we'll have to look back on this in like a year and see how things have changed, but overall, like I, I do understand like the normalization taking place. Like that was going to happen eventually, just whether, whether or not it happened when other companies caught up in some sense of, of the word or now, I guess I just need to do it now.

• 26:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I get it on shorts. That was actually something they needed to like compete again, but I just really don't think anyone's competing with YouTube in long form. So it just feels like its own thing. And this just feels like a

• 26:32Andrew Manganelli?

  pat, pat ourselves on the back, pat our stats kind of.

• 26:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:35Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like smurfing.

• 26:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:37Andrew Manganelli?

  It just doesn't feel real. So views are going to be weird for a little bit. I mean,

• 26:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:42Andrew Manganelli?

  for brand deals and stuff, we'll look pretty sick for a little while until they figure it all out. So it might be beneficial for us, but

• 26:48David Imel?

  That is true. That is true.

• 26:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Otherwise, yeah, I just don't really get it.

• 26:51David Imel?

  Okay. Before we throw this to ad break, I just want us to react to this for a second. I had thrown this in Slack a little bit earlier this week. I put it in Slack again. So you can check it out now. The link to it. I don't buy Supreme stuff, but Supreme dropped its fall and winter 2026 preview. And there are so many products in here that I just never thought would get a Supreme collab. The Kodak Super 8 film camera, which I thought they only made like 5,000 of, if not less, because they cost like $7,000 and it's not that much better than a regular Super 8 camera. There's a Supreme version. There is a Supreme version of the classic Dyson.

• 27:35Andrew Manganelli?

  The Dyson one's sick, not gonna lie.

• 27:38David Imel?

  Yeah, I mean, it is kind of cool. It's like see-through red and it's got like this, half the Supreme logo on it. It says super for some reason.

• 27:45Andrew Manganelli?

  The Supreme Dyson will be in

• 27:49Andrew Manganelli?

  every single LA apartment of an influencer who like just got popular on Instagram and bought an apartment that's way too big. And there's not furnished. This will be in the side.

• 28:00David Imel?

  This is gonna be in a lot of those videos. Okay, the one that I actually think is pretty sick is the Analog Pocket. If you guys don't remember, the Analog Pocket is like a Game Boy color, but it's made by the company Analog, which also is making N64. They're pretty, there's a red one and there's a gold one. And they have like, everything is very metal. I just think they look kind of good. I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy.

• 28:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I think my favorite is the Christmas version of Gremlins statue. Gremlins, the movie. It's just the gremlin in a Santa costume with a Supreme belt holding, what is the gremlin called before it's a gremlin? Is it still just a gremlin?

• 28:39David Imel?

  I think it's just a gremlin, but non-

• 28:41Andrew Manganelli?

  The cute gremlin, the pre-food-after-midnight gremlin or pre-get-wet gremlin, holding a candy cane in a Supreme bag. I don't get Supreme. That's the most boomer thing I could have said out loud.

• 28:53David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 28:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Probably, but yeah. Well, there is some tech stuff.

• 28:56David Imel?

  Yeah, there's, there's also like the classic JBL speaker that you bring with you to like, like a beach party.

• 29:01Andrew Manganelli?

  And the clip-on iPhone microphones. It's not like a road. It's not a holly land. These are the like very skinny ones that are like $13 and probably break after one use.

• 29:11David Imel?

  Yeah, the funniest one for me, I think, is the Braun razor, which I have bought this razor probably eight times because I always leave them at hotels by accident. But it's just a big red Braun razor.

• 29:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Braun or wall?

• 29:23David Imel?

  Sorry, wall. Wall. This is the exact razor that I own.

• 29:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes. But it's Supreme.

• 29:28David Imel?

  Really funny and really ridiculous. And I didn't know they did stuff like this.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  David and I were talking about this at the airport yesterday. You know, this podcast, like talking about random Supreme products, you know, tale as old as time. But do you guys remember, I think this was like when I was in high school or maybe college, the brick?

• 29:50David Imel?

  Yes.

• 29:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 29:51David Imel?

  The Supreme brick.

• 29:52Speaker 03

  The Supreme brick. I think you said it best, Andrew. This is when you get your first like million-view TikTok, you go straight to Supreme.com, baby.

• 30:01Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like all the people who had like a couple viral posts on social media and they're like, I'm gonna buy a penthouse in LA. This is the stuff that half-empty apartment gets filled with before they realize that they're a viral clip.

• 30:15Speaker 03

  When I was growing up in LA, like they were, you know, it was like the odd future heyday and Supreme was sort of having its like real moment. And I had a bunch of friends that like, you know, would save up forever. And we'd go to the Supreme store back when they had like a skate park in the Supreme store. It was this whole thing. But I do remember the first time a friend bought like an object, like that wasn't like a closer thing. And it was the most intense feeling of like, and now what?

• 30:42Speaker 03

  Okay, you have this and you don't have $400.

• 30:45Andrew Manganelli?

  That's it, yeah?

• 30:46David Imel?

  Yeah. They have a, they have a Darth Maul skateboard. It's the very last one.

• 30:52Andrew Manganelli?

  There's also a skateboard that just says like two German shepherds.

• 30:56David Imel?

  Strange, strange. Also strange just to see such common tech products on here, but that's how it is. All right, we gotta take a break. We have a very big section coming up with a lot of very interesting Apple news, so make sure you stay tuned for that. But first, we gotta do what we always do every single week.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  No, I'm just kidding. It's trivia.

• 31:19David Imel?

  Marques, please come back.

• 31:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know why that trivia sounded

• 31:25Andrew Manganelli?

  not very enthusiastic. It's just the way you said it.

• 31:28Speaker 03

  I'm a little tired from the airplane.

• 31:30Andrew Manganelli?

  That's fair.

• 31:30David Imel?

  Yeah, Ellis and I got off the airplane last night, so we're a little-

• 31:33Speaker 03

  Literally a lie.

• 31:34David Imel?

  We got off the airplane yesterday afternoon.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't have an excuse for being this tired.

• 31:39David Imel?

  I mean, you are jealous. That's fine.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. Anyway, so because we talked about YouTube for so long, first question's kind of not really about YouTube, it's sort of YouTube chase. But I found out something really interesting about a company called Connected Ventures, which is the company that founded College Humor, and I think still technically is like the parent company of Dropout, like. And for a while, they, I didn't know this, they had a really early investment from Barry Diller, like the old-school Paramount executive turned QVC executive, just like an old-school media tycoon-type guy. But I also found out that engineers who like developed a lot of the early video streaming stuff for College Humor and worked at Connected Ventures

• 32:20Speaker 03

  actually launched what other popular video streaming website that was sort of for a time the sister website of College Humor?

• 32:29David Imel?

  What year?

• 32:30Speaker 03

  Sort of been like, I don't know if I can tell you that. I guess you know, you know what year. It's like 2005, between 2004 and eight. I'll give you that, you know?

• 32:40David Imel?

  Live leak.

• 32:44Andrew Manganelli?

  So we're guessing a video platform or website?

• 32:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:48Andrew Manganelli?

  2004 to 2008?

• 32:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, somewhere in there.

• 32:50Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not College Humor?

• 32:51Speaker 03

  It's not College Humor.

• 32:52Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not Ebum's World?

• 32:53Speaker 03

  Stop. It's not, were there videos on it? I thought that was all flash. It was a little bit before my time.

• 33:01David Imel?

  All right, well, answers are at the end like usual. We'll be back.

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• 34:38David Imel?

  All right, welcome back. The Apple event is in like three or four weeks, but we already got our first look at the camera quote-unquote AirPods that we've been talking about for a while now.

• 34:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I like this because you said official leak and arguably it couldn't be more official.

• 34:53David Imel?

  Could not be more official.

• 34:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Because Apple leaked it.

• 34:55David Imel?

  Apple leaked it, so.

• 34:57Andrew Manganelli?

  This is like exciting. We don't get this very often.

• 35:01David Imel?

  Someone at Apple is getting more than fired. Let me just say that.

• 35:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, but like everything on Twitter was, most of the things I saw about it weren't even about the AirPods. It was just like, yeah, this is fun again. Like this feels like 10 years ago where we got like random leaks of things and we were all excited.

• 35:17David Imel?

  And the cool thing too is it's not like a, like a random leak where we didn't know where it came from, right? Like when leaks happen from Google, they feel very planned, you know? It's like, oh, it leaked. Oh, we gave this to a leaker. But when you find things in the system files, that's when it's very fun. So in the macOS Tahoe release candidate 26.7, which is funny because it's not Golden Gate. It's actually an older version of macOS that is a release candidate. There was a video file that was demonstrating the new AirPods with visual intelligence. Now, the video did not seem color graded or like done at all. It might have even been like a test video. I'm not sure. It also seemed very green-skewed, like not a polished video like we're used to seeing from Apple.

• 35:59Andrew Manganelli?

  If you remember, the audio felt really, can I play it real fast?

• 36:01David Imel?

  Yeah, sure. You can play it. With visual intelligence, your world becomes savable.

• 36:06Andrew Manganelli?

  See something you like? Just ask me to save it for later. Doesn't that feel like very?

• 36:11David Imel?

  It feels robotic.

• 36:12Andrew Manganelli?

  It feels like placeholder.

• 36:14David Imel?

  Yeah, it feels kind of placeholder. So what's happening in this video is there is a man who picks up a book. And he has these longer stemmed AirPods Pro. They kind of look like AirPods Pro, but their stem is almost the length of the original AirPods.

• 36:26Andrew Manganelli?

  The electric toothbrush.

• 36:28David Imel?

  The electric toothbrush top. And they look a little bit silly. I mean, I think every new version of AirPods looks a little bit silly until it eventually gets normalized. But he picks up a book and basically, based on this voiceover, it just says, just save it for later. So what we assume is happening is the AirPods are sensing the book. They're sensing the text, whether or not that's through an infrared camera or through a regular camera. We're not sure. I really do not think that Apple is going to put standard cameras in these AirPods where you can just take photos of your world. Because they are the privacy company. It would piss a lot of people off. They're going to have to do a significant amount of public relations and marketing to make people real like,

• 37:10David Imel?

  to make people feel better about these things, if they even possibly can. Because whether or not it is an infrared camera, it is still a camera.

• 37:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Still a camera. And Meta is out here just really screwing up public perception of cameras everywhere.

• 37:22David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 37:23Speaker 04

  Wait, but if you can look at a book and tell it to save it till later, that's not infrared, is it?

• 37:28David Imel?

  Infrared can still.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  Like detect text like that?

• 37:30David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Yeah. No. Yeah. I don't know. No.

• 37:37David Imel?

  That'd be a good sound clip. I don't know. I, we really, we, we just don't know enough about these yet. But a regular camera, I think, would be a huge mistake from Apple.

• 37:47Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm looking at an infrared camera, looking at like an AC unit outside and it can read the text on the thing.

• 37:54David Imel?

  Yeah, so.

• 37:56Andrew Manganelli?

  That is the depth of my knowledge of infrared cameras. One Google search.

• 38:00David Imel?

  In my opinion, this would be the best bet for Apple, but yet again, they're going to have to make people feel okay with that.

• 38:07Andrew Manganelli?

  They have to call it a camera, no matter what, which is tough.

• 38:10David Imel?

  Which is, will they? Well, they'll call it a sensor.

• 38:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 38:13David Imel?

  They'll call it an infrared sensor. Technically, a camera is a sensor, a sensor is a camera. But I think they're also going to have to do a lot of work to just say, these are just for visual intelligence. You can't ask it to take a photo. You can't ask it to do this. Either way, I don't know, having these in your ears is kind of tough. Now, I can see why Apple wants the future of their AI products to just be their existing products, right? AirPods and the Apple Watch are pretty much the best quote unquote AI device you could have because you're already wearing them. The best way to integrate new technology into people's lives is to put it in existing things that they use every day. And a lot of people use AirPods all the time. Also, allegedly, if hair is covering the AirPods, you will receive an alert that asks you to make sure that they're not covered.

• 38:58David Imel?

  Because, you know, if you have long hair or.

• 39:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Presumably only when you ask it the question.

• 39:02David Imel?

  When you ask it the question.

• 39:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Because it would be very annoying.

• 39:05David Imel?

  Yes.

• 39:06Speaker 04

  What is this for?

• 39:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, luckily, we have none of the answers and only speculation, so.

• 39:12Speaker 04

  Well, like, what would you use it for, I mean? Like, I have Google Lens on my phone and I barely use that. And sure, when I use it, it's super useful and cool. And it's like, whoa, that's a thing I can do. But do I need this on my headphones?

• 39:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, so you can now lean down to that dog that that person's walking, not ask them the question, say, what kind of dog is this? That was a callback to a previous.

• 39:32David Imel?

  What kind of dog is that? Yeah.

• 39:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, no, I, I don't know. There's things that could, I, I get the idea of like, save this for later. Or like, the fact that he's looking at a book in his house and saying, let me look at this later is kind of weird. Maybe, but if you're at like, a library or a coffee shop that has books, it's like, oh, add this to my list of something I want to get later. Or like, I could see that being a thing. I'm not trying, like, I don't think I would ever use it. I kind of think these are silly and I cannot imagine the price tag on these. Um, I can only assume a significant price increase with this.

• 40:07David Imel?

  It feels like a bit like a solution in search of a problem.

• 40:11Andrew Manganelli?

  It, or like a shareholder tactic of like, this looks good for AI and we're incorporating it into other products of our things.

• 40:20Speaker 04

  That's everything, though. I just feel like this isn't, like, to David's point, this isn't a user behavior thing. Like, as a person walking through a library, if I see a book I like, I take a picture of it. And it would be more useful for the Photos app to then know that I took a picture of the thing, pull the image, be like, hey, there's this thing, blah, blah, blah. When I ask it, what book did I see last Tuesday? But like, do I need that in my headphones? I don't, I feel like that's overkill.

• 40:45David Imel?

  Yeah, the question also becomes, do you have to explicitly ask it to sense the world around you? Or is it constantly developing context? That's the other question.

• 40:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Which would mean constantly recording.

• 40:56David Imel?

  And Apple would be like.

• 40:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Audio, but audio as well, yeah. Well, like, because it would need to know, like, when you say, require context, my guess would be like, if I'm having a conversation with you and something I say was, is like, I really like that watch. Like, is it going to be like, oh, it likes this watch, I see watch, do I record that context?

• 41:16David Imel?

  I was thinking more of like, where did I leave my keys?

• 41:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is still constantly recording.

• 41:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:21Andrew Manganelli?

  To be able to know where that is.

• 41:22David Imel?

  Apple would probably make some talk, I would probably say something like, oh, we take frame data every 10 seconds, but we're not really storing it anywhere.

• 41:34Andrew Manganelli?

  No, we're just sending it to a.

• 41:35David Imel?

  We're encrypting it. Yeah, I don't know.

• 41:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Where they're watching it.

• 41:39David Imel?

  There's so many questions.

• 41:40Andrew Manganelli?

  It would be funny if it just went, you should really have an AirTag on your keys.

• 41:44David Imel?

  Yeah, this reminds me a lot of the Sony LinkBuds. And their whole pitch was like, keep your headphones in all the time. And you don't have to take them out because they've got a hole in the center of them. The original LinkBuds, remember? And they just like, wanted you to keep your, your, your ear, your earphones? Wireless headphones? Earbuds?

• 42:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Earbuds.

• 42:05David Imel?

  Wireless earbuds. They want you to keep your earbuds in all day. And it feels like Apple also kind of just wants you to keep them in all day.

• 42:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I, to Adam's point of, like, is this something a user would do? Is it safe to say now that a lot of tech companies, in order to try and get ahead, is they're taking so many risks on not what the user's currently doing, but it's our job to tell the user what they should be doing and we want to, that's how we get the forefront of things.

• 42:32David Imel?

  I feel like Apple has done that a lot.

• 42:33Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm going to tell you how to use this, you're going to then see that that, I'm telling you how to use it. I'm going to think that's a cool way of using it and maybe spend an extra $100 on a thing that I already own.

• 42:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Unfortunately, but.

• 42:46David Imel?

  Apple does have a history of being able to tell users what they want. But whether or not this is a hit is going to be a long shot.

• 42:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, this, the, the cameras on things are going to be the, I think, the tough thing.

• 42:57David Imel?

  It's just the wrong time, guys. It's not the right time.

• 43:00Andrew Manganelli?

  What's funny is, just going all the way back to us saying this video might not be fully finished, is somebody posted what the, um, where it's located in the build. And the MP4 file is called B790 Save For Later. Which really makes it feel like a placeholder thing. Like, almost everything about this feels like a really well shot placeholder, but nowhere near Apple quality of.

• 43:23David Imel?

  The vid, I mean, the, the background's blown out and we would normally never see that. You know, but it is August, September is right around the corner. At least the design of the headphones and the structure of the headphones is probably set in place by now.

• 43:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's fun because we haven't had like, an Apple leak from Apple themselves and that part's really fun. It's dystopian that it's AirPods with cameras in it.

• 43:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 43:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Earbuds, AirPods with cameras.

• 43:46David Imel?

  I think what's going to happen here is that people are going to get very angry, rightfully. Because I don't think anyone wants more cameras that are constantly recording them when they don't know about it. And then it's an Apple product, so it's, people are going to buy a lot of them. And there's going to be a normalization period where this does eventually normalize. I don't love that.

• 44:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I do think, I am not, I'm, I do not like defending Apple here. Like, because of the fact that this presumably will not have a, I can record the like, I can be a creep record on it.

• 44:19David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 44:20Andrew Manganelli?

  At least then publicly, it might be a little more normalized to wear into a private establishment. Like, that's not quite as bad. You still, as a person, should be worried about Apple themselves.

• 44:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 44:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Tracking what you're doing and or saying, um, but it doesn't seem to have creep capabilities on it, yet.

• 44:39David Imel?

  Creep abilities.

• 44:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I will not take that away from them at some point in the future.

• 44:42David Imel?

  Yeah, and hopefully these don't get hacked, um, which they probably will. Okay, uh, in this release candidate, we actually also got a bunch of other references to other unreleased products, uh, including one of Apple's new Home Hub products, both the one that goes on the wall and the one that goes on the table, listed as J490 and J491. There's allegedly a new Apple security camera that we've talked about before. The Pebble Home OS operating system, um, it's probably just going to be called Home OS, but the, it's called Pebble internally. The AirPods with cameras, new Beats headphones, AirPods Pro 4, which, it's interesting that they're being listed separately from these.

• 45:22David Imel?

  Uh, people are calling the ones with the camera AirPods Ultra, which I just, Ultra is just the general name people say when it's an unannounced, like.

• 45:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I think that's hard with AirPods Max because it makes it feel bigger than AirPods Max, which, nothing is bigger than AirPods Max, except for maybe the headphones Ellis is wearing right now. But, yeah, it would be weird to go, AirPods Pro, then AirPods Max are over ear, then AirPods Ultra are earbuds again.

• 45:46David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah. Uh, there were references to the iPhone Air 2, the iPhone 18 series, including the foldable. New MacBook Pros, new iMacs, new iPads, new Vision, a new Vision Pro was also listed in there. Could have been a placeholder.

• 46:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Or like a chip update, maybe?

• 46:02David Imel?

  Or it could have been while they were working on the cheaper one, but then they scrapped, I don't know, whatever's happened in there. And then, uh, new Apple TV. So that should be interesting. That's a lot of products that they're allegedly working on, uh, and it's interesting that they're all in the release candidate, which means we are probably going to get a lot of products this year, if not this year and then into spring.

• 46:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I mean, it is like notoriously iPhone, what is it, like iPhone AirPods Watch will probably be September event. And then they like to do some Mac stuff in like November.

• 46:32David Imel?

  They do Mac stuff in October, November, and then do like iPad and back to school stuff, and then the E series in the spring.

• 46:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, and then.

• 46:40David Imel?

  There are actually a lot of Apple events through the year now. We don't think about that. We used to think about the fact that it used to be like, one big Apple event in September. Now they're pretty spaced out. But that leads us into our next little story here, uh, because the standard iPhone 18 might not launch until next spring. So there are now, um, there's a new report that is claiming that the iPhone 18 standard edition is going to launch in March of next year. This report comes from, it came from MinChico before, but Pegatron, as we've talked about various times on this podcast, an Apple supplier, held an annual, uh, earnings call and indicated that one of its customers would be changing its usual smartphone shipment schedule.

• 47:22David Imel?

  And when you have to tell your investors during an earnings call, that your shipments are going to go down significantly for this quarter, you kind of know it's Apple. Yes, the clicks communicator. Wow, that's a dig. You clearly know that that's Apple. So that makes it seem like Apple is going to be pushing the standard 18. And I have a hot, I have maybe a hot take. I actually think it makes sense from the company's perspective to launch the standard models later. Because they've been launching like, the E gets launched later, right? But if you launch the Pros first and you give it, I don't know, five or six months before the standard models launch, that would entice a lot more people who might have just gotten the standard one to get a Pro because they want the new thing.

• 48:07David Imel?

  And the thing is, the standard additions of all of these phones are getting better and better and better, to the point where why should you get the Pro is becoming a very common question.

• 48:18Andrew Manganelli?

  I agree with your hot take. As a capitalist.

• 48:23David Imel?

  Yes, I'm saying from, I'm saying from Apple's perspective.

• 48:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm not saying I'm a capitalist. Strike it from the record, I'm saying to make as much money as possible.

• 48:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 48:32Andrew Manganelli?

  You are entirely correct.

• 48:33David Imel?

  That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. From Apple's perspective, I feel like it makes sense to be like, if you want our new stuff, it's only the Pros, and in six months, you can buy the cheaper one.

• 48:42Andrew Manganelli?

  And for that entire six months, you'll be on our website, looking at them.

• 48:46David Imel?

  Yes.

• 48:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Dreaming of them, realizing that it's just a couple hundred more bucks.

• 48:52David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 48:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Just a couple smackers.

• 48:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 48:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Press, press buy.

• 48:56David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 48:57Andrew Manganelli?

  The best way to get people to buy stuff is to constantly be back on the website and add it to the cart and then forget, and then think about it.

• 49:03David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:03Andrew Manganelli?

  And then come back and then think about it.

• 49:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  This also lets the, the colors of the standard iPhone be the big story when they come out. It's not like some new feature that is on the Pro, like, oh, the Pro gets all the feature, blah, blah, blah, and then you get to be like, ooh, pine cone, or whatever they're gonna do.

• 49:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:17Andrew Manganelli?

  I have a, I don't think it's a hot take, but an irrelevant take, possibly. This is, if this happens, Google is pumped because last year, we kept comparing them to the base iPhone, with the, the base storage issue. They did a price increase this year. Their best shot to be like, guys, see, it wasn't that bad, was the new iPhone base to release with a price increase as well.

• 49:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:44Andrew Manganelli?

  At the same storage, and they can be like, see, now they have to live potentially for like, six more months of being like, this is a shit deal.

• 49:53David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 49:53Andrew Manganelli?

  So I think, uh, or...

• 49:56David Imel?

  Even though the standard Pixel is $899 this year, if there is no matched iPhone, and the cheapest iPhone comes in at like $1,100 or $1,200, the Pixel is actually still gonna look like a good deal.

• 50:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 50:10David Imel?

  Everything's expensive.

• 50:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Everything is expensive. I do, hmm, I hate that it makes sense to launch it with the E. I, I always have said, I think, I get really confused with Pixel and A series where it's like,

• 50:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:22Andrew Manganelli?

  The Pixel 9 comes out, and then the Pixel 9A comes out later, and the average person comes to me and says, should I get the new Pixel? What new, the Pixel A, it's like, no, it's worse than the one that just, like, it's worse than the one you have.

• 50:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, this is confusing.

• 50:37David Imel?

  That's true.

• 50:37Andrew Manganelli?

  If anything, the cheaper stuff should come out first, so every time it is new, it is better. But by doing this, especially by naming them the same numbers, the new thing winds up actually being technically worse.

• 50:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:49Andrew Manganelli?

  And I think that's a weird, confusing way of doing it.

• 50:52David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:52Andrew Manganelli?

  And some of the Apple users might be to the point where they just say, new iPhone, and literally buy a worse phone.

• 50:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Later on.

• 50:59David Imel?

  This is true.

• 51:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is bad.

• 51:01David Imel?

  Yeah, allegedly, the iPhone Air 2 is also going to launch alongside the standard 18.

• 51:06Andrew Manganelli?

  That is weird to me.

• 51:08David Imel?

  Yeah. Well, they, they sort of positioned the Air as like, alongside the standard iPhone, as like, oh, you want the standard, but you want the thinner standard one?

• 51:17Andrew Manganelli?

  And they want more expensive?

• 51:18David Imel?

  Yeah. But yeah, yeah, more expensive, but it's also like, way more premium, you know?

• 51:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I know, that's why I think it makes more sense, if they were gonna switch regular to the E release in the spring, it makes it feel like September event is like, best in class, shiniest, coolest, which I guess iPhone Air 2 is probably just going to be updated iPhone Air that we've seen already, so it's not that jaw dropping anymore.

• 51:43David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, so if we just, so what we think we're gonna see, Pro, Pro Max, Ultra, which presumably is the foldable, AirPods with spy cameras, and then new watch?

• 51:55David Imel?

  Yeah, I mean, we should be getting a new Apple Watch, um, there's so much stuff, there's so much stuff.

• 52:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 52:01David Imel?

  It's gonna be a lot of stuff this year. It is strange though, because yeah, the iPhone Air 2 is like, the iPhone Air is just not only one of the most premium iPhones. I think that because the 17 was the tick of the TikTok cycle, and it kind of changed the way the iPhone looks a little bit, and the 17 Pro is one of the best-selling iPhones in a very, very long time, they are very worried about people actually wanting to upgrade to an 18, because it's not gonna look that different. And so I think if they isolate the 18 alongside, there's the 18, and then there's the fold, which costs like $2,300. I think the 18 starts looking like a, the 18 Pro starts looking like a pretty good upgrade for some people.

• 52:39Andrew Manganelli?

  I think, I don't remember exactly, I think it was Mark Gurman posted a picture of a case from OtterBox, and on it, it said, compatible with iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro. So like, he, either they made a mistake, or they think it is so similar that it would fit in the same case.

• 52:58David Imel?

  Yeah, I would not be surprised. Um, I don't think anything is gonna significantly change on those phones.

• 53:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I would agree with you on that.

• 53:04David Imel?

  I, I think the rumor is that there's going to be a variable aperture on one of the cameras, but maybe it's not thicker because of that.

• 53:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's already got the giant camera bar, the plateau on it.

• 53:14David Imel?

  The plateau.

• 53:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 53:15David Imel?

  The plateau.

• 53:16Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry to interrupt, David, a little bit ago, you used a term that is such deep Intel ball knowledge, like, I had never heard of before, can you explain what the TikTok model is? I literally had to Google it to know what you're talking about.

• 53:29David Imel?

  Yeah, so the TikTok model of, of technology is usually that you release like, a very big kind of foundational update one year, and then the next year, instead of, uh, make, changing the design, doing something like that, you basically release the same design, but with like incremental upgrades.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  Like the S series iPhones.

• 53:49David Imel?

  Yeah, like the, yeah, so, yeah, exactly. Like, um, the Apple, the Apple, Apple used to do the iPhone 7 and then 7S, or like 4 and then 4S. And so the second year would always just be like, oh, we added this like incremental feature. But now they don't do that anymore.

• 54:07Speaker 03

  Well, Wikipedia says that it actually comes from Intel.

• 54:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 54:11Speaker 03

  Because what they would do is they would shrink a die size.

• 54:13David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 54:14Speaker 03

  And then use an old microarchitecture, and then they would improve the microarchitecture on that shrunken die size. Then they would shrink the die size with the old micro, like, they would alternate whether they were improving the die or the...

• 54:24David Imel?

  Yes, yes, I was going to use that as an example, but I think people are tired of hearing people, me say that I used to work at Intel.

• 54:32Andrew Manganelli?

  You used to work at Intel?

• 54:33Speaker 03

  David, what was your first job?

• 54:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I give some context to potentially our younger viewers as to why it's called the TikTok?

• 54:40David Imel?

  Because we have to dance.

• 54:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Because it has nothing to do with the app, in fact, clocks. Grandfiling. Before they were on our phones. Tik. Talk. Tik.

• 54:52David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 54:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Talk, that's the noise they made.

• 54:54David Imel?

  That's true.

• 54:55Andrew Manganelli?

  This feels like how I'm gonna have to describe the save button.

• 54:58David Imel?

  When I used to use calculators. We had this thing called the TI-84.

• 55:05David Imel?

  No, I'm just kidding.

• 55:06Speaker 04

  What do you mean, used to, we still got that.

• 55:08Andrew Manganelli?

  And it's probably still $140?

• 55:10David Imel?

  It is, for sure is.

• 55:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Used to be?

• 55:12David Imel?

  Um, yeah, so yeah, it was, it was architecture and then improvement, architecture improvement.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  Sorry about that tangent, just you said, you said the TikTok process, and I was like, the what?

• 55:22David Imel?

  That's fair, that's a fair question. Anyway, um, yeah, we'll have to see what that happens. It's coming up really quick, guys, uh, we're, we're ramping right into, you know, we're into tech-tember, tech-tember, here.

• 55:34Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm gonna make a bet.

• 55:35David Imel?

  Bet.

• 55:37Andrew Manganelli?

  This is my prediction.

• 55:38David Imel?

  Okay.

• 55:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you know how they do, uh, pre-filmed videos for Apple events?

• 55:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 55:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Shot on AirPods Ultra?

• 55:49Andrew Manganelli?

  That would be crazy. It's all in infrared.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  Every now and then my hair gets in the frame.

• 55:53David Imel?

  It's all in infrared, so you can just see heat and that's it.

• 55:56Speaker 03

  Dude, picture the, the shot of an AirPod falling out of someone's ear, just like, ah! No, not funny.

• 56:03David Imel?

  Oh, you're from the camera?

• 56:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, would that actually be part of the feature, though? It's like, oh, I lost my AirPod.

• 56:10David Imel?

  It's here.

• 56:11Andrew Manganelli?

  It looks like it's in your couch cushion.

• 56:13David Imel?

  You can get a live stream of where it is, that'd be funny. No, I, I highly doubt that. Anyway, um, yeah, we only got a couple of weeks until the Apple events, so make sure you stay tuned for that. Until then, we gotta do our trivia.

• 56:27Speaker 04

  Trivia, dude, so I had a separate question, but after this conversation, I'm doing a different one. Texas Instruments.

• 56:35David Imel?

  Oh, boy.

• 56:36Speaker 04

  The maker of the TI calculators.

• 56:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 56:39Speaker 04

  They had HQ'd in what city?

• 56:43David Imel?

  Texas.

• 56:44Speaker 04

  City.

• 56:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Texas City. Instrument City, Texas.

• 56:47David Imel?

  Instrument City.

• 56:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:49David Imel?

  We do have, um, in, in LA, there's, what is it called, Ellis? Transportation City? Industry City? The city of, Industry City.

• 56:58Speaker 04

  There's an Industry City in Brooklyn, too?

• 56:59David Imel?

  No, that's the city of industry, that's different.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  No, I think you have a backwards, I'm pretty sure in LA, it's the city of industry.

• 57:05David Imel?

  Oh. Okay. Well, we'll find out after the break. Actually, at the end of the show.

• 57:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

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• 58:46Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, welcome back. Ellis.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:48Andrew Manganelli?

  A new trackball just dropped, and I think you're gonna like this.

• 58:51David Imel?

  I think it just rolled.

• 58:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Probably.

• 58:55David Imel?

  The ball.

• 58:56Andrew Manganelli?

  You're right. I also know almost nothing about this except for the article I found and then the website I read, and I am basically all in on this company without knowing anything about them. But I'm not a trackball person, but after the Keychron Nape we looked at the other day, I was like, this thing's pretty sweet, and I now kind of want to try one, partially because of how cool they look. I know that's not the real reason we should be liking these, but they look pretty sick. And let's be real, half of the reason of a desk setup is just so it looks cool, not so it's actually a productivity focus.

• 59:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 59:26Andrew Manganelli?

  So this is the A+ from a company called, I believe it's pronounced Ploopy, which is, I mean, it just gets better as it goes. I already love these people. But so this is the first time I'd heard of them. I did a quick look over their website to see what they're about. They're from Canada. It's two guys. They started in 2019. I believe one of them kind of focuses on the hardware, one of them kind of focuses on the software. And in and out, they are open source. Everything about them is open, from the design files, most of these things are 3D printed, to all of the software. It seems like you can essentially do whatever you want with these products, which is really cool. They make a ton of

• 1:00:06Andrew Manganelli?

  different computer peripherals, knobs, trackpads. They have a mouse that is essentially four buttons and the little red knob from Thinkpads, like in the middle to use as your pointer, which is kind of awesome.

• 1:00:19David Imel?

  That's amazing.

• 1:00:20Andrew Manganelli?

  And this is a new updated trackball they have called the A+. They used to have something called the Adept, which was a six-button trackball, kind of in like a squircle shape. And this is essentially the update version of that because of how many modifications and notes people had on the previous version. Because they're open source, people just created all these different things for it, and they decided to update it. So the previous version had six buttons. This is adding two more, and those two new buttons, which are circular towards the bottom of the ball, are knobs as well that can do by default high-resolution horizontal and vertical scrolling, but can be reprogrammed. The modding community

• 1:01:02Andrew Manganelli?

  had designed a wristrest for the previous Adept, so now there's a detachable and attachable or permanently attachable wristrest for the new A+. For keyboard enthusiasts, this uses QMK for programming, but is also configurable with VIA, I never know how to pronounce it, which is awesome. Couple new features they added, gestures, so holding down a button and flicking the trackball in eight different directions can all be programmable to a different feature. Some of them they do are like media controls, desktop changing, like swipes, cut, copy, paste. They have layers, which is awesome. One of them is just to kind of

• 1:01:41Andrew Manganelli?

  access the hardware device configuration, so left-hand mode, DPI, LED brightness, whether you want high-res scrolling or stepped scrolling on the knobs. It's also 99 CAD or 70 like USD, which is super reasonable. Preordering started today. Actually, should look at the website to see. But yeah, I've never used any of these products, and I know I went through that really fast, but these come in a bunch of really sick colors. Like the one I'm looking at, there's a yellow one with a blue ball. There's a white one with a blue. There's red and black on Marquez. Now.

• 1:02:18David Imel?

  They look amazing.

• 1:02:19Andrew Manganelli?

  They're 3D printed, so it's very, obviously, the finish is like 3D print-esque. But from afar, I think they look great. Everything looks really ergonomical. Like, I think this makes me want to use a trackball. I think it looks so sick. It almost makes me want to buy four different ones to match the different keyboard colors that I have. But I just love, even though I haven't used them, having the chance to highlight a not giant company, but rather what feels like a passion product.

• 1:02:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:49Andrew Manganelli?

  A community-driven passion product.

• 1:02:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:51Andrew Manganelli?

  That's promising to keep things open source 100% of the time.

• 1:02:54David Imel?

  That's awesome.

• 1:02:55Andrew Manganelli?

  So this looks awesome. I'm probably going to order one.

• 1:02:59David Imel?

  I might order one, too. These look amazing.

• 1:03:01Speaker 03

  I wish they would let you 3D print. I couldn't find anywhere to get the files.

• 1:03:04Andrew Manganelli?

  No, you can have the design files. This just didn't come out yet.

• 1:03:08Speaker 03

  Oh, but I could like buy a board by itself.

• 1:03:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I don't know about that.

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  That's what I want.

• 1:03:12Andrew Manganelli?

  I think you buy it, but then all the design files are available. So I guess if you wanted to print in different colors. But I think they really are focusing on people making their own modifications to it and letting that be open. Because they have all these different things of like, obviously, this is smaller, like a smaller company, but they have their soldering guides to see how things are done on here. And a modders guy or a mods index, like there's all this stuff on here, presumably by the community, which they also have a Discord and a subreddit for people who do all the stuff to these products. And this is the kind of tinkering I'm fully here for.

• 1:03:52David Imel?

  Yeah, they also have like these backlight modes. Like they have a big backlight that can make the ball glow, which is awesome. And then they have just the backlight of the buttons. And I guess you can switch between them. So it tells, it's context clues to help you understand like what mode you're in. So if the trackball itself is glowing, you're in one mode. If just the buttons in the backlight are glowing, if they glow a different color. This is something that you would only get from a community open source project, and I really, really appreciate this.

• 1:04:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  This plus Opus and/or Fable 5 is going to be like so much fun to have at your desk.

• 1:04:25Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I'm serious.

• 1:04:27David Imel?

  No, I know you're serious.

• 1:04:29Andrew Manganelli?

  They've got a bunch of other cool products. I feel like I could just imagine walking into the audio room. They do, they have headphones, they did, that are 3D printed and open source. And I don't know what on earth you would do with them, but.

• 1:04:45David Imel?

  That's cool.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Right now at home, my left-hand macro is a, the Logitech MX Creative thing. And I have the big knob as a jog wheel for going between frames in Pro Tools. And then I use the vertical scroller as a bunch of different things. Like sometimes it's it's vertical zoom, so I can do both at the same time. But the Logitech software is kind of slow and doesn't really work there with Pro Tools. And so I prefer to use my MX Master switches as my zoom in Pro Tools. But with this, I'm having the dream of like being able to use the jog wheel as both vertical and horizontal zoom, and then hit a button with my pinky and have that turn into scrubbing frames. That would be freaking awesome.

• 1:05:29Andrew Manganelli?

  It seems like there's a lot to do, and QMK is like wildly accessible, or not accessible, no, it is not accessible. It is fairly confusing, but there's a lot of stuff you can do in it.

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  I'm, I have a macro project I'm working on.

• 1:05:42Andrew Manganelli?

  This white one looks awesome.

• 1:05:43Speaker 03

  That maybe I could talk about a little bit.

• 1:05:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Do it.

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  It's not.

• 1:05:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Because I flew through that.

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I wish I had more to say about this, but I.

• 1:05:50Andrew Manganelli?

  I could just see 10 of these in the audio room.

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I could tell you all about all the things I would want to do with that. I just don't think it'd be very interesting, you know? But I'm stoked. That's the answer. It's like, I want this. I'm going to probably obtain this because as much as I love the MX Master as my left-hand macro, I think I'm ready for a new left-hand because my right-hand macro at home just changed.

• 1:06:13Speaker 03

  Are you familiar with Bitfocus Companion?

• 1:06:16Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 1:06:16Speaker 03

  Bitfocus Companion is sick. It's open-source Stream Deck firmware.

• 1:06:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  That also works on pretty much anything that has buttons with screens on it.

• 1:06:29Speaker 03

  And there's a community of people that build integrations into software that are really tight. And it's really, it's used all the way at like some of the highest levels of production and broadcast. Like if you go into like NFL broadcast rooms, you will see a million dollars' worth of broadcast gear being run by a Stream Deck because it has Companion on it. Just think of it as like the dopest way to use a Stream Deck. If you're not doing very professional workflows, I wouldn't recommend it. Like it's not, it would be way more difficult, I think, to like make a Stream Deck adjust the volume on your computer, for example. But if you're using like something like Resolun Arena,

• 1:07:12Speaker 03

  where you're like triggering clips for a Jumbotron or something, like it will automatically like bring the thumbnails of the clips into wherever that clip's play button is on the stream. Like there's lots of just like life things that just make it so easy. Anyway, a bunch of years ago, I sort of borrowed, let's say, a Huawei Mate Pad Pro that was lying around the office that like we, it was essentially useless to us because you can't put any Google apps on it, which means you can't have the Play Store on it, which means the only app store that I was able, I guess now actually that's sideloading and other app stores are there. I couldn't even get other app stores on it because the Huawei firmware really hates side. This thing is useless. That's like what I'm trying to get at is like unless you're like so bought into the Huawei ecosystem

• 1:07:56Speaker 03

  and also speak Chinese, there's just like not a lot that's like super awesome about this thing. So it ended up sitting in a closet at my house for a long time. But the web browser works. And I figured out with Bitfocus Companion, you can emulate the buttons on a Stream Deck in a web browser and then have it still go to your computer. So I 3D printed like a stand that sits the, it's like a full-sized landscape tablet. So it sits at probably like a 20-degree angle on my desk. And it's an 8x11-button Stream Deck now on my desk. I have 88 freaking Bitfocus Stream Deck buttons on a touchscreen right above my keyboard, and it is bliss.

• 1:08:40Speaker 03

  I, every single time, I'm like, oh, I did that twice. It gets a button. It's just, it's just incredible. And so I've set it up so like every application has its own 88-button page too. So I'll like turn on my computer and it loads to the homepage of the Stream Deck. And then I go, oh, I'm doing Pro Tools today. Hit the Pro Tools button. I'm doing Arena today. Hit the Arena button. Hit the Touch Designer button. Boopity, boopity, boop, boop, boop. It is just so fun.

• 1:09:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm imagining you as like the organ player with just like keyboards all around you, except that 99% of the time when you're using the computer, you're just like hunched over with like just your trackpad like click.

• 1:09:19Speaker 03

  No, I don't use a trackpad at home.

• 1:09:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Use a mouse?

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Hunched over with your mouse?

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  At work, I'm a trackpad guy. At home, I'm a mouse guy. I can't tell you why. It's just, that's the, that's the way I do it. It's, I'm freaky like that.

• 1:09:31David Imel?

  I like that. It's context switching.

• 1:09:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, fair.

• 1:09:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. At home, I'm an MX Master person. At work, I'm a Magic Trackpad person. Everywhere, like there's a Magic Trackpad here and at my edit desk. I think I just like to make you guys think I'm weird and cool. But yeah.

• 1:09:47David Imel?

  It works. Don't worry.

• 1:09:49Speaker 03

  It's working. If anyone needs a 3D file for a, a stand for a Huawei Mate Pad Pro, hit me up. I'll send it to you. And yeah, if you have the chance to have more than 80 buttons on a Stream Deck, do it because it is really fun.

• 1:10:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:08Speaker 03

  And that's my macro talk.

• 1:10:09David Imel?

  I like it. I like it. Um, for those that are wondering, the pixels, they just drop officially. We're not going to talk about them this week because Marquez is out in Ireland being hot, like we said. And I think that we all want to have a little roundtable discussion about them. So that'll come next week, but don't worry.

• 1:10:28David Imel?

  We do have them.

• 1:10:28Speaker 03

  What was that? What's that color called again that you're holding?

• 1:10:31David Imel?

  Uh, pistachio? Or is that the regular one?

• 1:10:34Speaker 03

  That's a good name.

• 1:10:35David Imel?

  No, the regular 11 green is pistachio.

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  Oh, is that like sage?

• 1:10:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Is it olive or pine?

• 1:10:39David Imel?

  It's like, it's all.

• 1:10:41Speaker 03

  That's not an olive.

• 1:10:42David Imel?

  I think this is olive.

• 1:10:43Speaker 03

  Someone get an olive.

• 1:10:44David Imel?

  Wait, let me.

• 1:10:45Andrew Manganelli?

  This was the, I just remember reading through the rumors and there were so many different color potential names. I think it's either pine or olive.

• 1:10:53Speaker 04

  Olive.

• 1:10:54David Imel?

  Olive. Yeah, olive. It's not quite olive. But anyway, we'll talk about that next week. So make sure, yeah.

• 1:11:00Andrew Manganelli?

  If the RGB could be more than five colors?

• 1:11:02David Imel?

  Yeah. That's a whole thing. It's a whole rabbit hole we're gonna get into.

• 1:11:06Speaker 03

  I can't wait till we find out the, how that actually works and like what happens.

• 1:11:10Andrew Manganelli?

  It doesn't.

• 1:11:11David Imel?

  It doesn't work. So, all right. Well, I think that's it for story this week, but we're gonna get into trivia. Answers. Now.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  Guys, while College Humor was in its early days, some developers who worked at its parent company developed what video hosting site?

• 1:11:48Andrew Manganelli?

  College Humor.

• 1:11:51Speaker 03

  College Humor was so much fun back in the day.

• 1:11:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm like, I'm just throwing a random video site out there from that era.

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

  All right, guys, two answers. Whoa. Everyone over 30 listening right now is gonna be like, whoa.

• 1:12:14Speaker 03

  And the answer is such a letdown. All right, what do you guys got?

• 1:12:16David Imel?

  I put Funny or Die.

• 1:12:18Andrew Manganelli?

  That was actually way better. I put Albana Black Sheep.

• 1:12:21Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 1:12:22David Imel?

  I don't even know.

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  I'm not even 30 yet. I'm whoa-ing.

• 1:12:24David Imel?

  I'm 31. I don't know what that is.

• 1:12:25Andrew Manganelli?

  What was the, I, was that where the Badger song started?

• 1:12:31Speaker 03

  I don't remember that one.

• 1:12:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger.

• 1:12:34Speaker 03

  No, sorry, not 30.

• 1:12:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Badger, badger, badger, mushroom, mushroom.

• 1:12:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Thank you, David, for not making me look insane.

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  At least one person is driving right now.

• 1:12:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Homestar Runner?

• 1:12:46Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:12:48Speaker 03

  You guys are, you guys are having, you're having too much fun.

• 1:12:50David Imel?

  So much stuff that we found so funny when we were like 12 is just really not funny.

• 1:12:54Speaker 03

  The correct answer is Vimeo.

• 1:12:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, wait. But you said it only was around from 2004 to 2008?

• 1:13:03Speaker 03

  No, no, no, I didn't say that. I said I didn't want to tell you what year this actually was, and so I just gave you a general range. The year was 2006. But I thought 2006 would give it away. So I didn't give it away.

• 1:13:14Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought you meant.

• 1:13:15Speaker 03

  Did I ruin the question?

• 1:13:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I was not getting it anyways.

• 1:13:18Speaker 03

  You don't know what Vimeo is?

• 1:13:19Andrew Manganelli?

  No one thinks about Vimeo. I know what it is.

• 1:13:20Speaker 03

  Hey, breaking news, professional YouTube, but never heard of Vimeo.

• 1:13:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Albana Black Sheep is still around.

• 1:13:25Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:13:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Looks like it's gonna give me a virus.

• 1:13:28Speaker 03

  For everyone that's been complaining for the past few episodes, we're back on one mic. All is right in the world.

• 1:13:35David Imel?

  Wait, you had multiple mics before?

• 1:13:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Two episodes in a row.

• 1:13:38Speaker 03

  On the past two episodes, Adam and I had separate mics and people were livid. People were like, this is so wrong.

• 1:13:43Speaker 04

  Something feels wrong.

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  Anyway, while Mark, while Adam gives you an update on the score and reads his trivia question, I'm gonna go find someone in the office to play for Marquez.

• 1:13:57David Imel?

  Just for this question?

• 1:13:58Speaker 03

  For both questions for this week.

• 1:13:59David Imel?

  Okay. Quick update on the score. Marquez with one. Andrew with three.

• 1:14:07Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:14:08David Imel?

  David with three.

• 1:14:09Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:14:10David Imel?

  Oh. Question number two, Texas Instruments HQ. Where is it?

• 1:14:19David Imel?

  Adónde? ¿Dónde está la biblioteca?

• 1:14:25David Imel?

  I actually got good at Spanish while we were in Spain.

• 1:14:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Did you? Prove it.

• 1:14:33David Imel?

  ¿Dónde está la biblioteca? I was looking for the library and I found it.

• 1:14:38Speaker 03

  And, and did your Spanish work? Because you were in Portugal.

• 1:14:42David Imel?

  No, I went to Spain too. I was in Spain as well, as well.

• 1:14:45Speaker 04

  Flipper and Reed, what do you got?

• 1:14:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I just picked, I don't know if this is an obscure, but I was like, I picked Plano.

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  I've never even heard of that, but no, that is not it.

• 1:14:56Andrew Manganelli?

  It's pretty obscure. It's Dallas.

• 1:14:58Speaker 03

  The people of Plano.

• 1:14:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I hear you. I was like, what are the obvious ones? I don't think it's gonna be one of those.

• 1:15:03David Imel?

  I wrote Dallas.

• 1:15:05Speaker 03

  Dallas it is.

• 1:15:06David Imel?

  Dallas was like.

• 1:15:07Speaker 03

  The obvious one.

• 1:15:08David Imel?

  Well, either that or awesome. But Dallas in the 80s was like.

• 1:15:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Houston.

• 1:15:12David Imel?

  Yeah, Houston, yeah. Dallas was like where a lot of the computer revolution happened.

• 1:15:15Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:15:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:16Andrew Manganelli?

  It just felt like, obviously Texas. Dallas felt like the most obvious, so I thought he was screwing with us. So then I went even more obscure.

• 1:15:25David Imel?

  Oh. I just read something.

• 1:15:27Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:15:28David Imel?

  Yeah, Rich knows the answer now.

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  Right. Okay, well, he can still do my question.

• 1:15:35David Imel?

  All right.

• 1:15:35Speaker 03

  Yay, everyone, give it up for Rich.

• 1:15:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Rich was just quietly sitting there like, oh.

• 1:15:45David Imel?

  Is that open source? Can we use that?

• 1:15:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. You think I'd play copyrighted music on this podcast?

• 1:15:49David Imel?

  I don't know, but I've heard that so many times.

• 1:15:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:51David Imel?

  But I guess this was from you.

• 1:15:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's from me. I always, okay, Rich.

• 1:15:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Hello.

• 1:15:58Speaker 03

  The only question we have for you, because I messed this up really bad. You know what College Humor is?

• 1:16:05Andrew Manganelli?

  I've heard of them. I've heard of them. Uh-oh.

• 1:16:07Speaker 03

  Okay, great. College Humor's parent company had some developers working for it that also started a very, very popular video hosting and sharing platform. Do you know what that platform is?

• 1:16:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Is it, wait, do I say it out loud? Because are they right? Is it?

• 1:16:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Dropout?

• 1:16:35Speaker 03

  Sorry. It is not Dropout. The answer is Vimeo.

• 1:16:41David Imel?

  Dropout is like very new.

• 1:16:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, I definitely did not know that. I'm not sure if Marquez would know that.

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  That's okay. He's not getting the point. Sorry, Marquez.

• 1:16:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm interested. We should still ask him, but not give him the point if he gets it right.

• 1:16:53David Imel?

  All right.

• 1:16:55David Imel?

  What a podcast this is.

• 1:16:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:05Speaker 03

  Thank you very much. This has been wait for, baby.

• 1:17:11David Imel?

  We'll be back next week with everything you ever wanted to know about anything. Marquez will be back. We'll have a great time. Join us. If you will, subscribe. If you want to, hit the bell like your life depends on it. I've been Marquez. He's been Andrew. And I've been David. That's been Alice.

• 1:17:35Speaker 03

  Are we, are we, are we actually gonna use this?

• 1:17:37David Imel?

  I thought we were.

• 1:17:38Speaker 03

  That's up to Adam. Anyone else have any other fun stories this week? Or should we, I guess we already dealt stories, we dealt all the trivia.

• 1:17:45Andrew Manganelli?

  We're gearing up for a sick Apple event.

• 1:17:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Like smartphone season kinda started already and it

• 1:17:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:51Andrew Manganelli?

  It about to hit. And go watch the Eclipse podcast if you haven't already. I can't believe you're still here and you haven't watched it.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  I, I have a correction from

• 1:17:59David Imel?

  From the Eclipse pod?

• 1:18:00Speaker 03

  From actually both of the last two podcasts. One of them's not really a correction. One of them is like, I am so sorry for not knowing about what tidal locking was, you know? I, I, I make podcasts, like, I don't know everything about space and the moon and stuff. I'm not Marquez.

• 1:18:15Speaker 04

  You knew what it was.

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  No, I didn't. I was like, that's crazy that it's like that. And everyone's like, it's like that. It's because of this thing called tidal locking. And I was like, oh.

• 1:18:23Andrew Manganelli?

  In the pod, it was like, I think Marquez said, because it happens to rotate the same, at the same speed as

• 1:18:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Orbiting, that's why it's always facing it, but it's

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  Well, no, I knew that part, but I wasn't sure if they, they were that, those speeds were the same just by chance or by something. And it's not by chance. It's because of something that I, to be honest, I still don't quite

• 1:18:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Tide lock? It's that button in the top right part of your keyboard.

• 1:18:46Speaker 04

  Got him.

• 1:18:46Speaker 03

  But then the other thing that's way more important is in the hotel room episode. When I was introducing the question in Spanish, I said, estabas atento? Which does mean, were you paying attention? But it's more like the specific you, like, were you Andrew paying attention? Where I should have said

• 1:19:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, in Spain, it's vosotros.

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  Actually? No, it's, that's not vosotros. You may be thinking about that for a sec. But I believe it should have been estaban, which is like the general you, were you guys? I think, I think it's time to drive into the sunset, fellas. Do you hear the music?

• 1:19:20Andrew Manganelli?

  This is what happens. Thanks for joining us. Marquez will be back next week. Dad will be home.

• 1:19:27David Imel?

  Dad's coming home.

• 1:19:27Andrew Manganelli?

  We'll miss you. Go watch the Eclipse podcast. And actually, go watch the Eclipse studio video, which is also really good. I made grind it really hard to get that out in time.

• 1:19:35Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 1:19:37Andrew Manganelli?

  We're back in Jersey, though. We're ready to rock.

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Spain was the second most beautiful place I've ever been. Carney number one. And we'll see you next week.

• 1:19:47David Imel?

  Good night.

• 1:19:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Adios.

• 1:19:48David Imel?

  Good night.

• 1:19:49Speaker 03

  All right, let's go get McDonald's.

• 1:19:50Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, Adam, no!

• 1:19:53Speaker 03

  We don't eat that much McDonald's. Wait, Bummer's produced by Adam Alida and Ellis Rovin. We are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music is produced by Vane Sil. And now you can start the outro music.

• 1:20:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Bingo. After a few more years, you should have enough soundboard clips where even when Marquez isn't here, you can just, he can just be part of the conversation.

• 1:20:27Speaker 03

  You'll just be like, I'm one of those, like, talking dogs with the buttons.

• 1:20:33Speaker 06

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