I Don’t Need AI in My Toothbrush

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David jump right into it by discussing the differences in YouTube views now that Viewflation has been happening for a full week. After that, it's all about GoPro, Markiplier, and what a "review" actually means. Then they talk about some new Android features before getting into the new AI Dyson toothbrush. We wrap it all up with some show and tell and trivia! Links: Philip DeFranco - Markiplier GoPro video Markiplier - GoPro Mission 1 ILS Review The Verge - Markiplier becomes GoPro biggest shareholder Sonos Ace Ultra Dyson CameraJet Citizen Ani-Digital Temp Veo camera Radio Garden Chipolo Loop Voltra I This episode brought to you by: Framer: https://www.framer.com/wave Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/waveform Follow us on socials: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  Support for the show comes from Google Gemini. You know that moment when curiosity strikes? You're exploring a new city with the family and a sculpture catches your daughter's eye. What is that? Who made it? With Gemini, you can snap a picture and get a fully interactive breakdown of its history, architecture, and even hidden secrets. Gemini is built for moments like that. Whether you're learning something new, solving a problem, or looking for your next favorite thing, Google Gemini is here to help. Download Gemini, Google's AI app, or visit gemini.google.com to learn more.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  Everyone's got a hard question about AI. Your job, your kids, where it's going. Anthropic was built to surface those questions and share what it finds along the way, because there's hope in hard questions. Ask yours at claud.ai/spotify and keep thinking. That's claud.ai/spotify.

• 1:02Andrew Manganelli?

  See the Taco Bell ice cream taco?

• 1:05Speaker 03

  I did.

• 1:06Andrew Manganelli?

  The cherry, like a Choco Taco. They're doing, I know, I'm so excited. Choco Taco is the best packaged ice cream treat possible.

• 1:15Speaker 03

  I was gonna. That's a big claim. The best packaged.

• 1:19Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's true.

• 1:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

• 1:29Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 1:30David Imel?

  I'm David.

• 1:30Speaker 03

  We've got a little bit to talk about this week, the first week of September. And I kind of think of it as like a ramp. Like, we're gonna ramp up into way more stuff in September. But we still have a good amount. We're gonna talk a little bit more about engaged views and how our opinions might have changed about that since last week. Some thoughts on this whole GoPro situation, a new Google Find Hub feature that's actually useful, and a Dyson toothbrush that might not be as useful. And then at the end, we're gonna end with a little bit of a show and tell, which should be a good time. Mine's in a briefcase, by the way.

• 2:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Mine kind of is in a briefcase, too.

• 2:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, it'll be good. Nice.

• 2:06David Imel?

  Where can I find a briefcase?

• 2:08Speaker 03

  It came with the thing I bought, actually. It's a, we'll get there. Okay. But first, did they even test this? Do we have any?

• 2:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I go again?

• 2:16Speaker 03

  Yes, of course.

• 2:17Andrew Manganelli?

  This is turning into YouTube is screwing with Andrew. I cannot assume anything else is going wrong, other than they are personally attacking me. But I've showed you all this. For whatever reason, in my YouTube app right now, and I have closed the app, I've restarted my phone, I've done all the things you were supposed to do.

• 2:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35Andrew Manganelli?

  But anytime you click on a video, it is now in half dark mode, half light mode. Where all of the video and description and comments are in dark mode, but all of the recommendeds are in light mode underneath.

• 2:49Speaker 03

  Is your system?

• 2:50Andrew Manganelli?

  And even when I close it.

• 2:52Speaker 03

  Your whole system's in light mode.

• 2:54Andrew Manganelli?

  My whole system is in light mode. And like, this is the homepage of YouTube, right? It's in total light mode. Then I click on a long-form video.

• 3:02Speaker 03

  The top half of the UI and the comments are dark mode. And then the related videos underneath that are still light mode. Your YouTube app. I've never seen that stuff. You have some weird feature flags going on in your YouTube, bro.

• 3:15Andrew Manganelli?

  I have to only assume that someone's screwing with me at this point. They're like, I bet I could get Andrew to mention this on the podcast next week.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:23Andrew Manganelli?

  You're welcome. I did.

• 3:24David Imel?

  I really would love if there's like an internal YouTube leaderboard for how many times you could get Andrew to shout out your product.

• 3:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know if it's shouting out in the, did they even test this feature?

• 3:35Speaker 03

  That's, that's what they say, you know? You're talking about YouTube every single day.

• 3:38Andrew Manganelli?

  That's true. Well, we're gonna keep talking about YouTube.

• 3:40Speaker 03

  That's right. Yeah. Okay, so remember last week, we, we went over, I presented some numbers to you guys with video. I said, you should guess the difference between engaged views and publicly counted views of a recently uploaded MKBHD video. And do you remember what happened last week? It was like. Forty K off. Like, a million and a half view video had like a 40,000 view difference between public and engaged. Uh, I present to you the same video five days later. Okay. What do you think the difference now is between publicly counted views and engaged views? Ooh, is it closer to the like 40% difference that I was forecasting before?

• 4:18Andrew Manganelli?

  I brought in different numbers, and based on those numbers, whoa, can you tell me what the engaged views are?

• 4:24Speaker 03

  The engaged views are 3.2 million.

• 4:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm guessing five.

• 4:29Speaker 03

  The, the public views are 4.6 million. So the same video has sort of diverged. We, we came away from that first thinking, oh, it's actually not as bad as we thought. We thought maybe it was gonna be plus 50%, but it turns out it's only like maybe a 2% difference. But now, it's, uh, that particular video, what I'm guessing happens is when it first shows to your audience, it's not that big of a difference because it's not getting shown publicly or recommended as much. And so there aren't people just like skimming for one second and leaving. Yeah. But over time, more and more people will do that on a video that gets lots of impressions. And so now, the difference is, uh, plus 1.4 million views on this video. And I've started to see a lot, we've seen this across our channels now.

• 5:14Speaker 03

  We saw this on the last podcast episode. What were you saying, Adam? The last?

• 5:17David Imel?

  Well, I have it. The last clip posted yesterday.

• 5:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I haven't seen that.

• 5:21David Imel?

  The last clip posted yesterday was a one of 10, and I was like, oh, man, it's really crushing.

• 5:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:25David Imel?

  And then I remembered.

• 5:28David Imel?

  So this one right now is at 127K. The most, the third other one, like number three on the list, is 77K. That was the last number one.

• 5:39Andrew Manganelli?

  I have the metrics from my last podcast episode, which, to be fair, it was a banger. The thumbnail had a Samsung pics or Google and Apple product in it, which like four waveform gadgets and thumbnails.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  Pop.

• 5:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, should pop. It was a one out of 10.

• 5:54David Imel?

  Which was expected. I was like, if any of them are gonna be one of 10, it's gonna be this one, this thumbnail.

• 5:59Speaker 03

  Until next week.

• 6:01Andrew Manganelli?

  So it has, at the time of recording, 496,000 live views.

• 6:06Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 6:07Andrew Manganelli?

  250,000 engaged views. So it is double.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 6:11Andrew Manganelli?

  If you were just going by engaged views, it would be a three out of 10. Instead, it's a one out of 10 by 2X.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Don't tell the sponsors.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  Depending on your upload cadence as a YouTuber, your next nine uploads will all be slightly confusing until you dig in a little bit.

• 6:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I was thinking about this, and it's like, they'll just like 10 uploads, a couple of weeks, you'll be done. Michael Reeves is going to be 65 by the time his is finally finished in his last 10 and changing.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  I saw a few YouTubers this week that were posting like celebratory posts of like, oh, my God, I feel so grateful. I can't believe this video did so well. I was like, ooh, who's gonna tell them?

• 6:47David Imel?

  Who's gonna tell them?

• 6:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. My theory, though, yours was that it comes early and doesn't start getting recommended later.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  Diverges, at least with this video, started diverging after like 24 hours.

• 6:57Andrew Manganelli?

  So based on last week's pod, my theory is that it actually just took longer than 24 hours to really roll out the new stuff. Because when you released that video, it was on the first day it was supposed to go live.

• 7:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:10Andrew Manganelli?

  And we saw very little difference. But then Friday, like two or three days after, I think, when we released the pod, from the get-go, it was just one out of 10 skyrocketing.

• 7:22Speaker 03

  Okay. I have an alternative theory.

• 7:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 7:24Speaker 03

  I think that there are some channels where the audience that always watches the video as soon as it comes out, if there's more people that are like that, the views will not be as divergent immediately. Yeah. But as YouTube just starts putting those videos on people's homepages, like across YouTube, that's when they start to diverge. And I think your, your main channel. Yeah. Is gonna have more of that.

• 7:46Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a fair point.

• 7:46Speaker 03

  But things like Waveform, or to Adam's Waveform clips. Waveform clips is something people kind of like tune into occasionally, and then they leave. And maybe it'll surface on their homepage. But they don't necessarily always watch it. Yeah. Yeah. So interesting. Different types of videos, still, we will continue to keep a finger on the pulse of this, but it's like different types of videos, different types of channels. My theory from like weeks ago was that this iPhone Fold impressions video is probably gonna be the most viewed video in 24 hours of our channel's history. Maybe competing with the PS5. And, uh, yeah. Uh, yeah, I think as of right now, the Vision Pro, uh, like first review I did, and the PlayStation 5 unboxing are the top two.

• 8:29Speaker 03

  I think those both had like a million views in an hour, and then like close to nine million views in 24 hours.

• 8:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Before viewflation.

• 8:35Speaker 03

  The four of you.

• 8:36David Imel?

  Back in our day.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  Back in the good old days.

• 8:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 03

  So we'll see.

• 8:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I have one more gripe about this.

• 8:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:42Andrew Manganelli?

  So a lot of the, the public statements from YouTube to creators was like, guys, everything's going to be exactly the same as you've always had it. Don't worry. This is just public facing. You have engaged views. That's still what you're getting paid on. That's still what getting into the partnership program is going to be. Don't worry. Everything's the same. Inside the dashboard, it still just shows us the new public views. So now in order to see exactly what we were seeing before, you have to go to YouTube studios, click analytics, click advanced mode, then in a dropdown menu, select engage views, because it's not even defaulted on to then now compare engage views to live views. So the dashboard is pretty much useless at this point. It is just a bunch of fake views showing,

• 9:26Andrew Manganelli?

  yeah, charts are completely insane.

• 9:30Speaker 03

  Charts on older videos are funny because you can see it, you can see the bump when the new views kicked in.

• 9:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Whoa.

• 9:36Speaker 03

  Cause that's a weird chart. You'd never see a chart of videos like that, but now you can see it.

• 9:40Andrew Manganelli?

  So the, the like the dashboard, the easy to look at, just get an idea of how a channel is doing in the last 28 days. Obviously right now is really weird because halfway through that it changed. But like, it's still strange to see a, first of all, a views that are crazy, which always shows like you're doing better or worse than within the last year. So for the next year, it's going to compare it to the month previously and be like, holy cow, you're killing it.

• 10:04Speaker 03

  This is your best March ever. It's your best April ever.

• 10:07Andrew Manganelli?

  And then our revenue is going to be by that, looking like half of what it generally is. Or it's going to look the same of what it's been.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  Same revenue, but the.

• 10:16Andrew Manganelli?

  With the views being double. So looking like it's getting paid really.

• 10:18David Imel?

  What's funny too is yesterday I was looking at some of the numbers on waveform clips channel. I'm just like going through, you know, digging through analytics as you do. And I was like, you know what? Let me just ask the AI to see what it thinks. So I asked the YouTube AI, it's in the creator and I'm like, hey, can you summarize the last like 12 months of this channel? Let me know any trends, whatever, blah, blah, just to see what it says. And in that answer that it gave me, there's a disclaimer at the end where it's like, just so you know, YouTube changed how views work. So everything from this point forward is not going to mean shit.

• 10:50David Imel?

  It like gave me its own disclaimer about how to think about views, which was really.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  That's actually surprising.

• 10:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 10:56David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 10:57Andrew Manganelli?

  To be fair, the views in the dashboard has the little like exclamation warning sign. And when you hover, it says that, but it still just doesn't feel useful as a creator. When all of these things I put, add a new box that says live views, engage views. I think it's like CTR and revenue, like, yeah, give me something there because that's the dashboard. Advances when I really want to dive in. Now just to see the regular stuff I was used to seeing, I'm five to six clicks deep, which is really annoying.

• 11:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. Let's just tell all the sponsors that we doubled our views this year and they should pay us more money.

• 11:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that's the only logical.

• 11:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. One more across the channel. This is the last, like however long this has been on. Engage views for the last month, 32 million, total views, 42 million.

• 11:45David Imel?

  For 10 million.

• 11:46Andrew Manganelli?

  And it's been one week.

• 11:47Speaker 03

  It's been a week.

• 11:48Andrew Manganelli?

  And it's added 10 million.

• 11:51Speaker 03

  So, yeah.

• 11:52David Imel?

  That just means that you have good impressions.

• 11:54Speaker 03

  Buckle up. It does mean if you have a large back catalog that your, this number will be high for your channel.

• 12:00David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, true. At least one that keeps getting views. I think tech shouldn't get as many views because old tech videos probably don't.

• 12:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  Surface as much, but anyway.

• 12:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's all happening.

• 12:11David Imel?

  All right.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  Speaking of YouTube.

• 12:13David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  Uh, this is kind of YouTube related, or at least it has to do with the YouTuber, which was the Markiplier slash GoPro situation that's unfolded over the last couple of days on our timelines and on our feeds and has a lot going on to it.

• 12:28David Imel?

  We never make situation is crazy videos because we're not drama farmers. We try not to be drama farmers.

• 12:35Andrew Manganelli?

  However. Okay. This has to do with a product we've talked about before.

• 12:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Cinema cameras, which we love.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:42Andrew Manganelli?

  And a YouTuber that I have, I don't watch him, but I have no issues with him.

• 12:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:47Andrew Manganelli?

  This is, and, and it's specifically something happened that's very similar to stuff that happens to us all of them.

• 12:52David Imel?

  Listen, we need no explanation because in the Philip DeFranco video, Marquez is in the thumbnail. So we could talk about it.

• 12:57David Imel?

  Just because Marquez left a thread and commented.

• 13:01Speaker 03

  Once. And I am now the face of the reply. Yeah.

• 13:04David Imel?

  Yeah. I guess you better double down then.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, do not.

• 13:08Speaker 03

  Okay. Let's first start with what actually happened and then we can give our takes.

• 13:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Sure.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  So GoPro, I don't know how much you guys have followed stock prices. I personally don't very much, but if you think about GoPro as a company for the last decade, what do you think of? Oh, hero six, hero seven, hero eight. They've been making this camera over and over, getting slightly better, slightly better. But generally their lunch has been starting to get eaten by the DJIs and Insta 360s of the world. And if you look at their stock price for the past 10 years or so. It's been trending downward for a long time.

• 13:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Cratering.

• 13:42Speaker 03

  Kind of flatlining.

• 13:43David Imel?

  If it was a ski slope, the footage from the GoPro going down would be incredible.

• 13:47David Imel?

  Yeah. It'd be a bunny, bunny slope.

• 13:49Speaker 03

  That is good. That is good. Yeah. So, so that's, that's just kind of the background noise about GoPro. And then there's this headline.

• 13:57Speaker 03

  I don't remember, two days ago, whatever it was, that, oh, Markiplier, the YouTuber you guys all know, one of the biggest creators ever, just became one of the largest individual shareholders of the entire company of GoPro. Everyone went, whoa. Wow. Okay. What does he know?

• 14:12David Imel?

  8.5%.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. Pretty big headline. There was an article that came out. It was an interview with him. So that gets surfaced. A whole bunch of people parrot that headline and then sort of go, wow, he's really invested in GoPro suddenly. That news gets out, the stock price bumps quite a bit, probably by like 150% in one day on that news. Doesn't necessarily mean much because it's essentially a penny stock at this point, but it is a multiple of what it was. And then.

• 14:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I think even just where you are there, those two headlines make everything seem really intense. Like biggest investor in GoPro ever.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  Gets unveiled.

• 14:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Eight percent though. It's not like, he's not a majority stakeholder.

• 14:48Speaker 03

  Sure. But in a company as big as GoPro, it's kind of shocking that a YouTuber is suddenly the biggest individual shareholder.

• 14:55Andrew Manganelli?

  My first thought with that is GoPro is in a really bad spot. If YouTuber is now the highest.

• 15:01David Imel?

  Yeah. But he's also like.

• 15:02Andrew Manganelli?

  He's got a lot of money.

• 15:03David Imel?

  He's very, very.

• 15:04David Imel?

  He's a very successful YouTuber.

• 15:05David Imel?

  For sure.

• 15:05Speaker 03

  Filmmaker, et cetera. Yeah.

• 15:07David Imel?

  He made a very successful movie recently.

• 15:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I, it's still GoPro gigantic company we think of.

• 15:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Also. YouTuber.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. Just to add to this timeline, just right before all this news came out that he acquired 8.5% of the company. He put out a comparison video between the GoPro Hero ILS, which is, we've talked about this. Mission ILS, not Hero, sorry. We've talked a lot about this interchangeable lens system. GoPro seems really cool. Seems really like a good camera. Um, we've been excited about it. He put out like a comparison video that was that versus a red.

• 15:44Andrew Manganelli?

  A Komodo.

• 15:44Speaker 03

  Komodo. Uh, or no, it wasn't a Komodo.

• 15:47Andrew Manganelli?

  It was a Komodo.

• 15:47David Imel?

  It was.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  It was a Komodo? No. Okay.

• 15:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  And it was a little confusing because he said it was a sponsored review.

• 15:54David Imel?

  I'll get to that.

• 15:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Oxy-moron.

• 15:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. You can't, I mean, look, he's not, he's not generally a reviewer. So I will give him a pass for, for not really understanding that you can't really call something a sponsored review because it's kind of an oxymoron. But I'll give, he's not a reviewer. So I'll give him a pass for that. But he does do a video several days before the news. Reviewing slash talking about this GoPro.

• 16:16David Imel?

  Yes.

• 16:17Andrew Manganelli?

  And in our world, sponsored and review, like David said, is just like, yeah, big old no-no that just never happened.

• 16:23Speaker 03

  Thoughts on?

• 16:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 16:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:24Andrew Manganelli?

  So I'll get to that.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  So that happened before the Bloomberg article, which announced that he had now owned 8.5% of the company. So the news comes out, holy crap, Markiplier so invested in GoPro, must really believe in the company. Maybe he knows something. I don't really know. The next day, there's this huge announcement that there's a merger acquisition type of deal that's happening where GoPro is merging with this company that is going to use that technology for a whole bunch of other stuff down the road. I think it was this like $280 million acquisition or something crazy like that.

• 16:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. I, can we say the other stuff? Cause I think that's where a lot of people are.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. What did they say? AI, defense, et cetera?

• 17:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Defense, government, robotics. Um, one of them is, uh, in Woodman's email to the company, he says, they're very strategically positioned in the AI infrastructure industry as an up and coming US manufacturer of optical transceivers that we believe will bring in meaningful, high margin revenue.

• 17:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Everyone assumes that to be flock camera adjacent.

• 17:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. I read that as, oh, GoPro, their price is really low right now. Their expertise is tiny cameras and optics. We can do something with that. That's why we'll buy them. Markiplier, uh, makes a stream, goes, actually he talks to Philip DeFranco in his video. And then he goes on a stream explaining, this looks a lot like insider trading. I did not know this was going to happen. So he makes it very clear. He did not know that that acquisition was coming. He'd been acquiring shares for months and months and months before this. And then the news comes out and then one day later, this extra news about the acquisition comes out. So I totally gave him the benefit of the doubt on like, just what he's saying at face value.

• 17:55Andrew Manganelli?

  And even a step into that, it was like his SEC filing was August 20th, which is then.

• 18:01Speaker 03

  Another week.

• 18:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Posted on GoPro's thing, which is then when the interview reaches out to him.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:05Andrew Manganelli?

  And it just gets posted a week later, happens to be a day before.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  Which I can relate to. Typically I've done interviews where I'm like, this will come out tomorrow, right? And then it's two weeks later. And you're like, oh, okay. I forgot I did that. So all of that is the background noise. I, so the, the one public thing that I said about this was on threads, which was, uh, basically I said, I'll just read what I wrote. This is not a line I see crossed often, but to each their own. And it was just reminding me of what you brought up, David, which is that when we in the waveform studio, see the word review on a video, that means something very specific to us.

• 18:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 18:45Speaker 03

  And as reviewers who do lots of reviews, it's kind of funny. He, he made this like joke in the beginning of his video. Like I'm coming for you tech reviewers. I'm in your house now. It was a joke that he was making, but it's like, all right, welcome to that arena, Mark. Like there's a lot of baggage. There's a lot of baggage that comes with being in the arena of tech reviews and journalism, et cetera.

• 19:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Leave while you can.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  So that video that he made, he called it a review and he compared it pretty earnestly to the Red Komodo, had a lot of nice things to say. And we can even take all of his words in that video at face value, that he really believes in it. He thinks that footage is better. It does higher frame rates of slow motion, et cetera, et cetera. Great tool, really believes in it. He says somewhere in the first like two minutes of that video, that this video is sponsored by GoPro. He later, on the Philip DeFranco interview, explains that that individual video wasn't actually necessarily sponsored by GoPro, but he just wanted a way to explain that he had some financial incentive to make this video.

• 19:43David Imel?

  Which I probably would have just said, I own 8.5% of the company.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. So that's, that's tricky.

• 19:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I have his response when you.

• 19:50Speaker 03

  Okay, great. I, I, I think, so in the US, we have all these, we have the FTC, we have all these rules that you have to, you know, explicitly in the first few seconds or a minute of the video, disclose when a video is sponsored, verbally and on screens. There's a box you can check in YouTube, behind the scenes and all that. And he decided that that was his way of doing that. I think, I think you should just say that you're an investor in the company, if you are. I think a sponsored video is a slightly different relationship to that company than an investment of that magnitude in that company.

• 20:24David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 20:24Speaker 03

  So that's why I said, because Mark said in response to DeFranco, I don't really know what line I cross. I don't know what Mark has us talking about. That's the line that I think was strangely crossed, when you typically don't see in the tech review space, somebody doing a sponsored video with a relationship to the company and calling it a review. Because we have this relationship with the word review.

• 20:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  Which, to be fair, not everybody thinks about the word review that way. I see this all the time. I'll make an impressions video of the new phone that comes out. People go, oh, nice review. In my head, I'm like, no, no, this is not the review. But in the spectrum of the way people think about tech videos, if all the way on one side is schooled, trained journalist, and all the way on the other side is someone who's never done this before and is just making their first video.

• 21:13David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:13Speaker 03

  I think tech reviewers sit pretty close, but distinctly different from journalism. And we get torn apart for the difference between us and journalism all the time. But there are lots of viewers and lots of people all over the spectrum that have their line in the sand in a different place.

• 21:30David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:31Speaker 03

  Markiplier, I'm wearing his merch right now. I literally watch his videos. Like, I think he's a great guy, great creator. He's made that film we all love. He is nowhere near that end of the spectrum. He is over here and he's using the word review or comparison willy nilly. That's why I think that's a line that I typically don't see crossed.

• 21:49Andrew Manganelli?

  That's cool. What's funny is, I think outside of the tech world, that line gets crossed all the time.

• 21:53Speaker 03

  I do.

• 21:53Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm sure there, there are people who use the term review, reviewing other products that I'm sure do it all of the time.

• 21:59Speaker 03

  Even in the tech world, I see it now, because we have what we think of as tech review videos, which is like long form YouTube videos. There's now like TikTok creators, there's now like Instagram reels and YouTube shorts, and people will do what they would call a review, and it's sponsored, all the time. And I see that on my feed and I'm like, what?

• 22:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. That was something we could do.

• 22:19David Imel?

  The word review kind of took on a colloquial meaning within our sphere of understanding. And I think that probably people who were early to watching and consuming tech videos also understood that the word review meant it was unsponsored, unpaid for, unbiased to the extent that you can be unbiased. You know, the, the, the actual word review means like that you're evaluating something or judging its quality. You would hope that if you're judging its quality, there's no influence in what that quality is.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  And if there is, it should be disclosed.

• 22:50David Imel?

  And yeah.

• 22:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Or if there's the potential, I would say, I still, the majority of the times I see people doing sponsored things and then giving opinions, like, I usually actually believe them. But there needs to be the disclosure. So if someone wants to take that piece with a grain of salt, because there is a transaction going on, it should be in there.

• 23:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:10David Imel?

  Yeah. You need to give the audience the ability to make their own decision about.

• 23:13Andrew Manganelli?

  And then you trust, trust the creator, as you will.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  This is another reason why I think I'm, I'm considering making, it was like, I looked up, like six years ago, we made a Can You Trust MKBHD video, in which I outlined all of my essential like guidelines for understanding our relationship with companies and how we make these videos. And I think I might do like an updated version of this, because there's so many like smaller lines in the sand now, that people can get stuck on or totally accept. Like Mark's video, he had an affiliate link in the video. I think it was labeled properly, but it's an affiliate link. Some people hate that. All the way on the journalism side, that's a complete no-no. No affiliate links at all. And then if you further yourself from that line, it's like, oh yeah, there's an affiliate link. Obviously, if you want to buy the product, check it out, it supports me. I see that

• 24:01Speaker 03

  from YouTubers all the time. So that's a small line in the sand people like to talk about.

• 24:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 03

  So there's all kinds of smaller access. The access that you get if you're in the first wave of coverage of a product versus out of it. If you benefit from that access, should you, should your coverage be less valid or less valuable?

• 24:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 24:22Speaker 03

  Kind of depends. There's a whole bunch of other flags there. It all depends on the way you think of the word review.

• 24:26David Imel?

  I think that's a great idea for an updated video, because the audience has become more privy to the way that things, things work too. And a lot of people have called out very valid things, like access, to your point. Like, even though, you know, we, we get devices in and then we evaluate them, and then we either send them back or whatever, like, people, not spending your own money on a thing is an implicit change in the way that you think about a thing.

• 24:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:55David Imel?

  You know, so.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  I think, um, yeah, there's a lot of really good responses to that too, specifically. I think there's like a clip from Mr. Mobile showed up where he's like, you know, you might think that I get a box with a free phone in it that shows up on my desk and I get, oh, I'm really excited. I better make a nice positive video. But when that box shows up, it might as well just say work on the screen.

• 25:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  Like, yeah, like, I've been doing this a long time. Like, I, I think that when people watch videos like this, they put themselves in the shoe of the, of the reviewer.

• 25:25David Imel?

  A hundred percent.

• 25:25Speaker 03

  Which makes a lot of sense. I would do that if I was watching a video. If I was reading a restaurant review, I would put myself in the shoes of the person who's writing that review, maybe who had a reservation that got like delayed or something, I'd be mad. So you put yourself in the shoes of the reviewer and you go, oh, they got the computer for free? If I got the computer for free, I would feel a certain way about that. I might not always, I might feel pressured to say nice things. But I think there's an extra layer of, well, they're professional, they've been doing this for a long time. If you do a good job as a reviewer, that does not have any effect on what you're saying. But not everybody thinks about it that way.

• 25:58David Imel?

  There's also, has no effect, and then there's like, there is like implicit effect that you can't even really understand. You know, I don't know, like shelling out 1,200 actual dollars for a thing is like.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  It does feel different.

• 26:12David Imel?

  If you had to do that and then review a product, you probably would think a little bit differently about it.

• 26:18Speaker 06

  Yeah. Quick addendum. We, like, most of these things that we get for free, we send back.

• 26:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's something not a lot of people think.

• 26:25David Imel?

  Most people do not think that.

• 26:26Speaker 06

  It's not, it's not like, it's not like it's becomes our property. Like, most of the time, there's a legal thing that states that this is still a company's property, we're just, you know, holding it.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's logged in a database somewhere and then.

• 26:37Speaker 06

  Yeah. And they ask for it back.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  That's another line in the sand. Not everybody discloses that. That's one of the things, every single time I review a product that was provided by the company, I have a line in the description of the video that says who the product came from.

• 26:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  No one has to do that. Nobody told us. That's just a random line in the sand some people want to know. So that's another quick aside.

• 26:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:59Speaker 06

  I think this video is a good idea, because I've had, not a ton of people, but more than three people asked me this week.

• 27:06Speaker 03

  What do you do with all this stuff?

• 27:07Speaker 06

  No.

• 27:08David Imel?

  Everyone always asks that.

• 27:09Speaker 06

  What are, what are the new iPhones like? You guys have them in the studio.

• 27:12David Imel?

  Oh, yeah. Well, to, to be fair, Apple is.

• 27:15Speaker 06

  We don't.

• 27:16David Imel?

  I know, but Apple is like the only company that doesn't seed stuff out early. Every single other company does give us stuff like a week early. Apple, we don't, so you guys know, we don't know anything actually about these phones, until the entire world knows about them.

• 27:32Andrew Manganelli?

  This is why.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  Everybody we know, you know, because we talk about.

• 27:34David Imel?

  Because we talk about it every week.

• 27:35Speaker 03

  This is why the iPhone impressions videos and first look videos hit so hard, is because that's actually everyone's first impressions of it and first unveiling. They do their best not to get leaked like everybody else, but like, every, literally every other tech company who has something out, they have a program, they have preceded devices so that people who really want to evaluate it can spend meaningful time with it. Cameras especially, like, if I get a camera five days before, it's like time to publish the video, I need to go somewhere, take pictures, a whole bunch comes with that. So people send camera reviewers stuff for weeks and months, which makes a lot of sense. It might take me one or two weeks to review a phone and take it places and burn through battery and see what it's good at. That's typical. Apple is like the only company that doesn't do that for anything.

• 28:18David Imel?

  They do eventually have a review embargo, like we get devices before, like before the public can purchase them, but we don't know anything about them until everyone else in the world knows everything about them.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:28David Imel?

  So, yeah, we will not know anything about these iPhones until you guys do next week.

• 28:32Andrew Manganelli?

  How many people have actually texted you about this? Because I've had two so far. You've had three.

• 28:35Speaker 03

  Oh, really? I just got done dropping my phone off at service and the service guy was like, so, uh, how about that new phone?

• 28:43David Imel?

  He probably knows more than you do.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  He's been reading the articles.

• 28:46David Imel?

  People at Best Buy see this before we do.

• 28:48Speaker 03

  He's been reading the articles, you know? That's, that's a totally, people wonder about these things.

• 28:52David Imel?

  Yeah. I mean, I was in Portugal a few weeks ago and someone was like, so like, you guys, like, of course you, you say better things about the companies that pay you more, right? And I was just like, what are you talking about?

• 29:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:03David Imel?

  Why do you think this is the case?

• 29:05Speaker 03

  Well, the reason they think that is because. Because there are reviewers whose line in the sand is in a totally different place that just do that.

• 29:11David Imel?

  They call themselves reviewers, they're not. And I'm willing to start beef on that, on that end.

• 29:16Speaker 03

  I think, I think this video, whenever, whenever I make this video, it's gonna really lean on that, uh, line in the sand.

• 29:23David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 29:24Speaker 03

  Analogy slash visual, because it's everyone, literally every single reviewer puts their line in a different place. And a lot of people who call themselves journalists, there's, there's almost like a invisible code where everyone knows exactly what we do and what we don't do as a journalist. And that's great, but it's like, it, outside of that, there is a huge spectrum of, oh yeah, I'll just do a sponsored review, whatever.

• 29:44Speaker 06

  There's a, there's a reason the, the annual Qualcomm information keynote thing is in Hawaii, you know, it's not, it's not subtle.

• 29:51David Imel?

  Yeah, nobody would go otherwise.

• 29:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:53David Imel?

  Yeah. No, I think this is what's confusing, because when there were only like, three publications, like newspapers covering tech at all, you know, it was like Walt Mossberg at the Wall Street Journal. It was like, there were two or three people in total that were covering technology.

• 30:07Speaker 03

  Right.

• 30:07David Imel?

  They basically all had all the same standards and the same line in the sand. But as the world of technology has gotten like diffused into all these different media outlets and different types of media, and then influen- like influencers were not a thing that existed back then.

• 30:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. Now go to this event and there will be mostly influencers.

• 30:26David Imel?

  And what people mostly see is content from influencers, because there are way more influencers than there are Wall Street journals. And so what they see on their phone is gonna be the lines in the sand that most of the influencers draw, which are all different.

• 30:40Speaker 06

  It also depends legally where they're from. Like the US has very different rules than Europe has different rules in Canada than South America. Like, there's a lot.

• 30:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, we've noticed that in sponsored, we'll see a sponsored campaign where a creator from the US discloses in the first minute and a creator from Canada just doesn't. And you're like, oh, right, that's because it's different.

• 30:59David Imel?

  Right, totally, totally. They don't have to.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  So yeah, the lines in the sand get drawn by government sometimes too.

• 31:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:05Speaker 06

  Sorry, not to Tom Scott out, but I do think it's really funny that if we were to release, or not us, because we don't take any money for it, but a hypothetical creator were to release their reviews in a movie theater, they would not need to disclose anything.

• 31:19Andrew Manganelli?

  It would just be like in the credits at the end, like, I'm pretty sure in Tom Scott's video is like, it's after all of the people who worked on the movie, there's like a couple paragraphs of like, some of the like Pepsi sponsors or whatever.

• 31:31Speaker 03

  Product placement stuff.

• 31:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:32Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 31:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Can I just throw in Markiplier's response to why he said sponsored?

• 31:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, he did a live stream.

• 31:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, he did a live stream last night. I, so this kind of feels like, uh, thinking too hard about it may have, I don't, I don't even want to say bit him in the ass, because I don't think there's a ton of controversy around this. It was just like all a bunch of weird happenings in like 48 hours.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  Forty-eight hours.

• 31:55Andrew Manganelli?

  And I don't think any of his audience is really being like, you scammed us at all. So I, I don't think.

• 31:59David Imel?

  Also in his defense, if he really didn't know anything and this happened, like if we're taking him for his word, this sucks.

• 32:04Andrew Manganelli?

  It does.

• 32:05David Imel?

  I would say, I'd be like, yeah.

• 32:07Speaker 03

  He accidentally played the lottery and accidentally won.

• 32:12Andrew Manganelli?

  His reason for saying sponsored and not invested was to show, this is his words, show some way of showing that there is potential financial gain out of this video. But in this world where so many different creators are hyping up different cryptos and investment advice kind of things, that he was worried if he said he was investing in GoPro, that his audience would then think, I also want to invest in GoPro. And he's like, I don't want my audience investing in a thing that's been down 95% over the last five years, because it's probably not a very good investment. And to kind of his point though, when it got announced he came out, it shot up before any of the other stuff. So it happened. What he didn't want to happen, happened.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, that's a valid take.

• 32:58Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a valid thought. It didn't work as well, but.

• 33:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, hindsight is definitely 2020 on a lot of this. Probably next time, just say that. I am invested in this company. This is not financial advice. I do not think you should invest.

• 33:09David Imel?

  The companies that are trying to pump the like crypto coins and stuff and say, I'm invested in this, they're not actually invested in it. They're invested because the company gave them a bunch of free investment to promote it, which is different. And I think that we should just, everyone should just be more honest and clear.

• 33:25Andrew Manganelli?

  The problem is, is with his honesty, doesn't mean the people in the crypto ones are gonna be honest, because they are, they are saying, I invested in this.

• 33:31David Imel?

  I'm just saying like.

• 33:32Andrew Manganelli?

  No, you're right.

• 33:33David Imel?

  In a perfect world, those crypto people would also say, these people paid me money to say this.

• 33:39Andrew Manganelli?

  But they're lying.

• 33:39David Imel?

  But I'm not personally invested in it. They just gave me money.

• 33:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. So now he's in this weird spot where it's like, he, it merged with this company that might be making like flock cameras and, but he doesn't want to sell everything, because then it looks like a pump and dump. But he also doesn't, he's hoping that this new camera is good and GoPro focuses on it. He sounds pretty skeptical about it.

• 34:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I will end with his, I will end with like the cautious optimism that like, okay, he is a believer in the product and the tool, and wants to enable in some way, future creators having this awesome tool, having access to it. How the investment helps that or not, I don't really know. But just to give the benefit of the doubt, GoPro is gonna still be around. We don't know exactly what's going to happen with their cameras in the future. They could keep making cameras. We hope they keep making cameras. But there is some doubt around that and we'll have to just see what happens.

• 34:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  I think the, we talked about DJI before and Insta360, and not all these companies are necessarily going to be able to sell their cameras forever here in the US. There's lots of weird legislation around that with this administration, so we don't know. So there's a potential of GoPro continuing to make cameras that are amazing and game breaking. And to be fair, I have an ILS, I haven't tested it yet.

• 34:58Speaker 06

  Wait, what?

• 34:58Speaker 03

  But a lot of.

• 34:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I know, Ellis wants it.

• 35:00Speaker 03

  We have it. I'm gonna check it out. A lot of other people have said very positive things about it.

• 35:04Speaker 06

  I'm gonna bring you a bunch of vintage glass, because that, that's the really cool thing, is you can adapt all this crazy vintage glass to it.

• 35:11Andrew Manganelli?

  To kind of go full circle on this whole conversation, back to the fact that GoPro's only ever made Hero 12345678 400, and it is tanking their stock price, because they're a marketing company up until now of like, they're a, hey, you do cool things, buy this camera, and then you ski down a ski slope and watch the footage, and you're like, I'm going one mile an hour in this ultra wide, like this is not fun unless you do a backflip.

• 35:33David Imel?

  You know what GoPro should have done? They should have made an energy drink, because Red Bull.

• 35:37Speaker 06

  They're about the same.

• 35:38David Imel?

  Because Red Bull's the same company as GoPro, but they sell an energy drink. That's the only difference between these companies.

• 35:44Andrew Manganelli?

  So the mission ILS, we're excited about it, because it's this very accessible thing that seems like it's in good quality, and it's kind of breaking the mold of what they're making, and seems really interesting.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:56Andrew Manganelli?

  And then they're like, cool, we're also gonna make flock cameras. And it's like, oh god.

• 36:00Speaker 06

  Hear me out, hear me out. Cinema flock cameras. So when the techno fascist state, you know, sees you doing something or whatever, and you get hauled to court and they pull that footage up, you could be like, damn.

• 36:11David Imel?

  Those lens flares.

• 36:12Speaker 06

  It's a video, man, sick.

• 36:15David Imel?

  Uh, I also want to note that Starman Optical, which was the company that, the holding company that merged with GoPro yesterday, was incorporated in Delaware the day before yesterday.

• 36:25Speaker 06

  No way.

• 36:26David Imel?

  Great.

• 36:27Speaker 06

  What?

• 36:28David Imel?

  And that.

• 36:28Speaker 03

  Holding company.

• 36:29David Imel?

  It's, it's held by Starman New Photonics, which is part of Starman Holdings. This is a bunch of shell companies.

• 36:37Speaker 06

  Wait, so who owns GoPro?

• 36:39David Imel?

  Well, Starman Holdings now owns GoPro. Markiplier.

• 36:45David Imel?

  Technically owns 8.5% of GoPro, which is owned by Starman Holdings. Starman Holdings owns Starman New Photonics, and Starman Optical is a subsidiary of Starman New Photonics. Starman Optical was founded the day before yesterday. Um, it sounds like a bunch of shell companies. The reason it's probably a bunch of shell companies is because they want to do weapons manufacturing, and they don't want the public to know who they are.

• 37:08Speaker 06

  What if it's, what if they were actually caught in like a crazy 4D chess game and Philip DeFranco owns?

• 37:14David Imel?

  Owns Starman Holdings? We are not saying this is true.

• 37:19Andrew Manganelli?

  I just, I think it's like.

• 37:20David Imel?

  It'd be funny though.

• 37:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Even more here to the fact that he probably didn't know about this, because if you knew about this, this is the last thing a creator wants to be a part of right now. Like, a way to tank your reputation is be like, I just put a bunch of money in government, like robotics, weapons, and flock, and like government surveillance.

• 37:37David Imel?

  As one of the biggest investors, he should shoot an email to that founder.

• 37:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. He wrote in there like, if I get to vote, I'm going to vote no, but it's probably going to do nothing.

• 37:46David Imel?

  The whole company, yeah.

• 37:48Andrew Manganelli?

  He did say if they start doing flock type cameras, he will be out of it.

• 37:51David Imel?

  Yeah. Interesting. Fingers crossed for the good cameras of the future.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:54David Imel?

  Yeah, so we don't wanna like, we're not trying to start a bunch of drama. We're just saying this is like a crazy situation.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  It's a wild situation.

• 38:01David Imel?

  Yeah, situation is crazy. That's what this episode's gonna be named.

• 38:05Speaker 03

  Wait, we do have the ILS, though?

• 38:06David Imel?

  We do have the ILS.

• 38:07Speaker 03

  I do want to-

• 38:08David Imel?

  Every time you hear ILS, I think of the space station.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  I also do.

• 38:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I S S. I'm, I'm Amazon, I'm ordering a, uh, a Micro Four Thirds two C-mount adapter. I'm bringing in some lens flare glass.

• 38:22David Imel?

  Okay.

• 38:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Where it's gonna be amazing.

• 38:24David Imel?

  Yeah, we'll mess with it. That'll be exciting. So, um, speaking of-

• 38:31Speaker 03

  Google's-

• 38:31David Imel?

  Tracking, tracking?

• 38:32Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, tracking, yeah.

• 38:34David Imel?

  Yeah, tracking.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 38:35David Imel?

  Cause GoPros will probably be tracking you on the street in the future. Uh, Google is letting you track stuff that you don't have trackers on, which is cool.

• 38:44Speaker 03

  I saw this, I saw this get added in a Pixel feature drop, and I thought-

• 38:47David Imel?

  Android feature drop.

• 38:48Speaker 03

  Android feature drop. And I thought, oh, nobody, nobody thought of that before.

• 38:52David Imel?

  I, I know. This was the basic thing ever.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, so obviously in the Find My apps, you've been able to have like an Android phone, Android devices, internet-connected devices, and you can find them at any point. Obviously with Apple stuff.

• 39:03David Imel?

  Find Hub is-

• 39:04Speaker 03

  Find Hub is Android's, obviously Find My with Apple.

• 39:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 39:07Speaker 03

  And with AirTags and all these chips now, you can add these things. But also, if you just wanna remember where you put something that doesn't have a tag in it, like say your passport, this is the example from the video. You can just tell Gemini, "I'm putting my passport in the safe in the basement." It will then remember that location and put it in the Find Hub. So that when you ask Gemini again, or check your Find Hub, like, "Where did I put my passport?", it will just remember that that's where you put your passport.

• 39:34David Imel?

  That's so specific, Marques. Is that where you put your passport?

• 39:36Speaker 03

  In the safe in the basement?

• 39:39David Imel?

  Passport, that is where I put my passport.

• 39:42David Imel?

  Safe in the basement, come get me.

• 39:43Speaker 03

  Doxed your passport.

• 39:44David Imel?

  But, uh, yeah, that is an example of something. I don't wanna put an AirTag on my passport, but I do kinda wanna remember, cause I don't use my passport all the time. And I just wanna remember where I put it, so that when I do have my next international trip, I can be like, "Hey Gemini, where's my passport?", bam.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  You know what's funny? I have a tracker card in my passport, but I, my passport wallet, but I forgot that my passport wallet is RFID-blocking, so it just doesn't work. I know, it's like, all these wallets, for the longest time because people were skimming credit cards, became RFID-blocking wallets.

• 40:12David Imel?

  Yep.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  And now there's all these tracker cards that just don't work in RFID-blocking wallets.

• 40:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  So that's a-

• 40:17David Imel?

  Now you can find, uh-

• 40:18Speaker 03

  That's a funny thing.

• 40:19David Imel?

  At least the last place you put it.

• 40:20Speaker 03

  But it is so funny, because, I mean, this is one of, this is one of those super over, over-engineered things for something you could just write down, but-

• 40:27David Imel?

  But it's gonna be alongside, it's gonna be in the like Find Hub, which is a place where you wanna find stuff.

• 40:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:32David Imel?

  It's like, it's a smart-

• 40:32Speaker 03

  And it's all in your phone, and it's like, you could do it from your laptop, you could do it from your phone, like, I, I think this is a very simple solution to a problem that nobody really thought about before, and I think that's cool.

• 40:42Andrew Manganelli?

  This is the equivalent of being like, "Claire, I'm putting this in the basement right here, remember that." It's just like, I can say it to my phone, and then we actually will remember, instead of both of us forgetting five seconds later.

• 40:52David Imel?

  What I always do is whenever I need to remember where something is, I put it in a very specific place, because, oh, I'm like, oh yeah, if I put it in this very unique place, I'll definitely remember.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 41:01David Imel?

  Absolutely.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  Never.

• 41:02David Imel?

  As the worst possible thing to do.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:04Andrew Manganelli?

  No, this is, or for-

• 41:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, I, I parked Level Two, Section A. Like, at the airport or something like that.

• 41:11Speaker 03

  That's good. I always, I just take a picture of the car with the nearest sign somewhere in the frame.

• 41:18David Imel?

  Hmm.

• 41:18Speaker 03

  That's like my habit. Every time I park at the airport, I go, "Okay, where's the sign?", let me get the car and the sign in the frame, and that's the picture.

• 41:24David Imel?

  Do you use this with your hotel number, too?

• 41:26Speaker 03

  Sometimes. I, for some reason, don't have a problem remembering my room number. But I often come back to the studio still with the room key, and I try to swipe the hotel room. And then I always have to switch back.

• 41:37David Imel?

  I always take a photo of like, right outside my door, just to remember.

• 41:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, that's a good idea, cause last time when we traveled, I got to the floor I knew I was supposed to be on, but I just kinda stood there for a bit. Like, damn, wait, what room was it?

• 41:48David Imel?

  I'll put my room number in my, uh, Find Hub, so.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  Boom, tell Gemini about it.

• 41:52David Imel?

  There were a couple other really fun features as part of this Android feature drop, though, that I wanted to talk about really quickly. A few years ago, Apple released this new feature on the iPhone that allows you to basically use your phone while you're in a car. Because it has these bubbles that will appear on the screen that sort of move with the gyroscope while the car is moving. And it's supposed to be, there's, I don't know the, the biology of this.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  I do.

• 42:16David Imel?

  Okay, let's, okay, tell me about the biology.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  When you get nauseous in a car-

• 42:20David Imel?

  Cause you actually get car sick.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  I do get car sick, and I've paid a lot of, this is why I've looked it up.

• 42:23David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  Is, it's be, when you're on your phone, and you're looking down at your phone.

• 42:27David Imel?

  Inner ear thing, I'm guessing.

• 42:28Speaker 03

  You're, well, essentially, there's a difference in perceived motion between your eyes and your inner ear. Your inner ear can feel that you're accelerating forward, but your eyes only see your lap in your phone, which is not accelerating forward. And when your inner ear feels a difference from what your eyes see, that can cause you to feel nauseous. The same way if you're in a VR game, and you move forward in the game with the controller.

• 42:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:50Speaker 03

  But your inner ear doesn't feel you moving forward.

• 42:53David Imel?

  Your stomach kinda drops.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, it makes you, that difference is what makes you feel nauseous.

• 42:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  So what it does is it puts dots on the screen, where as the car accelerates and turns, it gives you that same exact feeling emotion. You turn right, and the dots also turn right. So it feels like, to oversimplify, like the road is underneath your phone.

• 43:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 43:12Speaker 03

  And you can see the movement of the road.

• 43:14David Imel?

  Right.

• 43:15Speaker 03

  With dots.

• 43:16David Imel?

  Right.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  Well, so it's trying to give you something to look at that matches your inner ear's feeling of the way you're accelerating.

• 43:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  And that's now coming to Android.

• 43:23David Imel?

  That's cool, yeah. And I heard this works. A lot of people said the ILS-

• 43:26Speaker 03

  Some people swore by it. I think Rich uses it.

• 43:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 43:29Andrew Manganelli?

  The previous way of doing this was they had, essentially, do you know like, when you could have those silly straws that came up and went around your eyes? So when you drink something, the liquid goes through it?

• 43:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 43:39Andrew Manganelli?

  A closed version of that with liquid in it, so in your peripherals, the liquid is, it's like half-fold, and it's sloshing with the car. So something in your peripherals is moving the same as the car, giving you the sense of movement when you're reading. They look so silly.

• 43:53David Imel?

  They do, they have to look so ridiculous.

• 43:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, but this is a way better version of that.

• 43:58David Imel?

  I didn't even know they made this.

• 44:00Speaker 03

  Oh my god, they look so ridiculous. My suggestion, so this is what I've always found, cause I've gotten car sick in the back of cars so many times, especially, actually, there's a couple things that make it really bad. One is if it's one of those like throttle stabbers in an EV where there's like-

• 44:12Andrew Manganelli?

  So every Uber driver ever?

• 44:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're like, accelerate, slow down, accelerate, slow down. That sucks no matter what.

• 44:18David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 44:18Speaker 03

  But also, if I'm in the backseat, and they have one of those huge seats with a headrest in front of me, that's like blocking my view of the road.

• 44:24David Imel?

  Oh.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  For some reason, that sometimes is enough for me to like, I have to, basically, I just stare out the window. I just go, I just look directly out the window as long as I can, and that's the best thing that's helped with feeling car sick.

• 44:36David Imel?

  Is that why people get sick in the backseat and not the front seat? Because they don't have such an immediate view of the road?

• 44:41Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 44:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, is it?

• 44:42Speaker 03

  For me, anyway, yes.

• 44:43David Imel?

  That makes sense. Yeah, that's really interesting. Well, two other features in this Android drop that I thought were interesting. Um, you can now change the background images for your Google Messages chats, which is definitely a swipe at iMessage, which did this a couple of years ago, which did this because of WhatsApp a couple of years before.

• 45:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:01David Imel?

  Uh, I am assuming these companies are realizing that the personalization thing is actually important to people, it keeps them on the platform.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 45:08David Imel?

  They, my, uh, group chat for my photography group is just like a picture of my dad's face, um-

• 45:15Speaker 03

  As the background?

• 45:16David Imel?

  As the background. I'm not sure why we did that, but that's what it is.

• 45:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm only thinking of this now, which might be stupid, but I've always thought changing the background of chats was stupid, but now I'm realizing.

• 45:26David Imel?

  It is.

• 45:27Andrew Manganelli?

  It, it's silly.

• 45:28David Imel?

  That's the point.

• 45:28Speaker 03

  It's harmless, harmless stupid.

• 45:29Andrew Manganelli?

  But how often do you guys get a text, it pops up on the notification thing, you read it, but instead of clicking on it to reply, you hit the tech, the text button?

• 45:40Speaker 03

  The reply.

• 45:40Andrew Manganelli?

  The messages button?

• 45:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 45:41Andrew Manganelli?

  No, not reply, the messages button on the bottom of like your dock. And then I reply, and then I realize I sent it to the wrong person, because it's actually the last thing that came up.

• 45:50Speaker 03

  Never.

• 45:51Andrew Manganelli?

  So with background chats different, I'd be much more aware of like-

• 45:55David Imel?

  Bigger signal.

• 45:56Andrew Manganelli?

  "Oh, that's not Claire. Oh, that's not Ellis I'm responding to."

• 45:59David Imel?

  Right, that's not Claire if it's a picture of David's dad's face.

• 46:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, like, if, if David texts me up top and is like, "Yo, what are we talking about on the pod today?", and I open it up and it's Claire, and I don't see David's dad's face, then I don't text Claire. "The Markiplier-GoPro situation?", and then she's like, "What are you talking about?", like, I feel like that would actually save me much. I think I'm going to change all of my chat backgrounds now.

• 46:21David Imel?

  Okay, I like that, okay.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  Google Messages.

• 46:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, you should just change one or two important ones, cause if they're all just random colors, you're not gonna know when you open it up.

• 46:28David Imel?

  Real quick, uh, just speaking of Google Messages, the way they do pinned chats is terrible. They just list them.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not really-

• 46:36David Imel?

  They're just pinned to the top, so when you, like, the way that iMessage, the Apple Messages does it, it's just like-

• 46:42Speaker 03

  Huge bubbles.

• 46:42David Imel?

  Huge bubbles, and they stack, but the way that, that it does, it happens in Google Messages, it's just, it's the same just text chat indicator, but they're, they just happen to always be at the top.

• 46:54Andrew Manganelli?

  So it's like a forum?

• 46:56David Imel?

  Yeah, and the problem is when I reviewed the Pixel 11 Pro, I did the transfer thing from my iPhone to the Pixel, and one of their big updates was, "Oh, now all of your pinned chats also transfer."

• 47:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:07David Imel?

  But I have eight pinned chats on my iPhone, so it took up the entire screen. So when I would get a new text, I wouldn't even see it when I opened the app, because it would be below all of my pinned chats.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  That is funny.

• 47:20David Imel?

  Yeah, so-

• 47:21Speaker 03

  Time to unpin somebody.

• 47:22David Imel?

  I think Google needs to either just copy Apple directly or do something else, cause like, yeah, pinning in that way is not-

• 47:27Andrew Manganelli?

  You gotta have like 10 pins, though, don't you?

• 47:29David Imel?

  I have eight.

• 47:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, wow.

• 47:31David Imel?

  I'm gonna bet-

• 47:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Are they all that important?

• 47:33David Imel?

  I, I talk to all these groups every day.

• 47:36Speaker 03

  Hmm. I'm gonna bet that they copy the big bubble at the top for pins feature.

• 47:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:41Speaker 03

  Within-

• 47:44David Imel?

  One year.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  Within a year and a half.

• 47:46David Imel?

  Year and a half?

• 47:47Speaker 03

  I need to give it till summer of next year.

• 47:49David Imel?

  Summer of 27.

• 47:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:51Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know, that seems too soon to me.

• 47:53David Imel?

  I think it's gonna be sooner than that.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  I think someone at Google just heard this and started writing it down.

• 47:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, right under his note of screwing with Andrew's YouTube, he will then work on.

• 48:01Speaker 03

  Perfect, while we're yelling about Google Messages, I have a Did They Even test this mid-episode.

• 48:05David Imel?

  I mean, mine was kind of a Did They?

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's a feature, "Auto-delete OTP one-time password messages after 24 hours."

• 48:11David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 48:12Speaker 03

  That [__] does not work.

• 48:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, really?

• 48:13David Imel?

  It doesn't?

• 48:14Speaker 03

  I have-

• 48:14David Imel?

  I never turn it on.

• 48:15Speaker 03

  I turn it on, I currently have nothing but OTP messages.

• 48:19David Imel?

  At the top?

• 48:20Speaker 03

  Constantly, from, there's so many of these.

• 48:22David Imel?

  But is it within 24 hours?

• 48:24Speaker 03

  It's like from days ago at this point.

• 48:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, mine works perfect, I don't see a single-

• 48:28Speaker 03

  Mine used to work, and then it stopped working, and like, as the last like six months, it just stopped working.

• 48:33David Imel?

  Are you sure it's on?

• 48:34Speaker 03

  It's def, I just went to the settings to double-check, and I do this like at least twice a week, cause I'm like, "Why are you not deleting?", and it still keeps messaging me.

• 48:41David Imel?

  And that fog color is so good every time I see it.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  Thank you, thank you.

• 48:44David Imel?

  It's like better in real life, by the way.

• 48:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I like how your newer, newer Pixel doesn't work, and my older Pixel works.

• 48:49David Imel?

  I'm telling you, Marques, I'm gonna bury you with that phone. I'm just telling you.

• 48:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 48:52David Imel?

  The 1.15. There is one more, uh, Google Messages feature in this Android update that I'm excited about. Oh my god, they remembered again that Google Keep exists.

• 49:00Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 49:01David Imel?

  And maybe, so-

• 49:02Speaker 03

  Every two years?

• 49:03Andrew Manganelli?

  We're usually scared about this, right?

• 49:05David Imel?

  Yeah, it's a little bit, it's a bit concerning when they ever have a Keep update, because it might mean they get rid of it. But, uh, they are now basically allowing you to have shared lists through Google Keep inside- Of Google Messages. So if you are texting with somebody and I'm assuming this has to be an RCS chat because it uses, you know, internet stuff. You can now have this little embedded Google Keep list that is shared and you can, whoever is in the chat can add to the list. So this is obviously kind of targeted at like grocery shopping grocery lists. Which maybe will make this proactive assistance thing a little bit better where you have specifically your grocery list in Google Keep. And now you're using it in Google Messages. Maybe they're just kind of trying to incentivize people to use this.

• 49:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Has this come out yet? Because I just tried to test this by messaging you to like attach a Google Keep and I do not see any features or options for this.

• 49:57David Imel?

  It's are you rolling out? Yeah, it might depend on your phone. Yeah. Even though you have the pixel 11.

• 50:03Andrew Manganelli?

  The newest pixel.

• 50:03David Imel?

  I'm probably not getting it for a while. Yeah, yeah.

• 50:05Speaker 03

  I think you'll get it before me.

• 50:07David Imel?

  I don't know. Sometimes OnePlus gets stuff before Google does.

• 50:09Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 50:10David Imel?

  If it was a Samsung, I would have had it already.

• 50:11Speaker 03

  That's true. That's true. Because that's really the Google phone. Anyway.

• 50:14Andrew Manganelli?

  You know what's crazy?

• 50:15Speaker 03

  What?

• 50:16Andrew Manganelli?

  This is our first ad break.

• 50:17David Imel?

  I, that is crazy. We started about an hour ago. That is crazy. You know, sometimes you just gotta pop off. All right. Well, then that sounds like it's trivia time.

• 50:31David Imel?

  I am begging you. I need a point. I need something that I'm gonna get.

• 50:35Andrew Manganelli?

  You will not be getting one.

• 50:36David Imel?

  I'm begging you.

• 50:37Speaker 06

  Marquez, I wrote this question thinking of you because this is a binary answer. Okay. It's either one.

• 50:42David Imel?

  I got coin flip. I get a point here.

• 50:44Speaker 06

  You get a 50% chance. Okay. Because after the break, we're going to talk a little bit about Sonos. And when I think about Sonos, I think of a product category.

• 50:55Speaker 06

  I'm not that fond of. Soundbars.

• 50:58David Imel?

  Bars. I'm not either. So I'm.

• 50:59Speaker 06

  I'm not gonna hate on anyone who has a soundbar. I get it. They're, they're efficient. They take up very little space.

• 51:04David Imel?

  Spatially efficient.

• 51:05Speaker 06

  You know, that's great. Not for me.

• 51:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:09Speaker 06

  That's fine. But I was doing some research into the history of soundbars, which is some interesting stuff there. And so today's question is, what came first? The initial first experimental soundbar, which is, is, is a soundbar. I think if you saw it, you'd be like, that's a weird looking soundbar, but it, it to me meets all the qualifications one needs to be to be a soundbar.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  Or is it a hot dog?

• 51:36David Imel?

  Hot dog.

• 51:36Speaker 03

  Go ahead.

• 51:37Speaker 06

  Or TV broadcasts in stereo.

• 51:44David Imel?

  Yeah, this is a coin flip for sure.

• 51:45Andrew Manganelli?

  What came first?

• 51:46David Imel?

  NT-Ser pal. All right. All right. Well, answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  Everyone's got a hard question about AI. Your job, your kids, where it's going. Anthropic was built to surface those questions and share what it finds along the way, because there's hope in hard questions. Ask yours at claud.ai/spotify and keep thinking. That's claud.ai/spotify.

• 52:26Speaker 07

  Your heart can tell you a lot about your health. Apple Watch Series 12 measures your heart rate every five seconds with the most accurate heart rate sensing in wearable. So your vitals app, now with heart rate variability, can tell you when something is off. And your readiness score can let you know when to rest and when to push. Hear the story in every heartbeat with Apple Watch Series 12. The features described are for wellness purposes only and not for medical use. iPhone 11 or later required. Based on Apple conducted study of heart rate accuracy, August 2026. Visit apple.com slash apple watch series 12. Does checking your bank statements feel like digging through a dusty attic full of forgotten subscriptions and old free trials?

• 53:05Speaker 07

  Experian can help take the pain out of canceling by handling it for you.

• 53:09Speaker 03

  Think of it as Operation Get Your Sanity Back. Over 200 subscriptions are cancelable. So get started in the Experian app and see how much you could save. Results will vary. Not all subscriptions eligible. Savings not guaranteed. Paid membership with connected payment account required. See experian.com for details.

• 53:25David Imel?

  All right, welcome back. We're gonna talk a little bit about Sonos. If you didn't so know, a couple of years. A couple of years ago.

• 53:35Speaker 06

  For audio listeners, that was Adam. I did not make that noise.

• 53:38David Imel?

  Couple of years ago, this company really destroyed their app. Everyone got real mad, real, real mad, so mad.

• 53:44Speaker 03

  It's been a saga.

• 53:45David Imel?

  They got a new CEO and then they decided they needed to like completely refix the app and everything like that. In the process of all this, they announced and released the Sonos Ace headphones, which Marquez did a review of last year. They're sort of their competitor to anyone's flagship over ear headphones, I would suppose.

• 54:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, flagship ANC.

• 54:07David Imel?

  ANC.

• 54:08Speaker 03

  $400.

• 54:10David Imel?

  I think they're over. They're 450.

• 54:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, they're expensive.

• 54:12David Imel?

  They're expensive. They're really, I mean, they're great headphones in general, but they're really only big feature was that you could dynamically switch between your Sonos soundbar or audio system and the headphones when you were watching TV. That was like the selling point. It was like, oh, if your wife falls asleep next to you and you want to turn off the audio ambiently, but listen on your headphones, then you can do that. And it's like, that's a very.

• 54:36Andrew Manganelli?

  It's so niche.

• 54:37David Imel?

  Billionaire and I have one, uh, one little use case kind of situation. Anyway.

• 54:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, funny thing real quick about the, yeah, Marquez's review last year is he called it, you had one job and Sonos's invitation this year.

• 54:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 54:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Says we had one job.

• 54:53David Imel?

  My question is, was that the invitation to everyone or just to you?

• 54:57Speaker 03

  I think that was to everyone.

• 54:58David Imel?

  That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Well, at this big event, they, uh, they released two new, two new, well, three new things, kinda. They released a new version of the Sonos Ace called the Sonos Ace Ultra, because everything is ultra in 2026, apparently. We'll see if the iPhone is ultra or, or duo or fold or whatever they call it. They released a soundbar ultra.

• 55:21Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 55:21David Imel?

  And they released a new, um, OS that is going to span all of their products, which they're calling Sonos 27, which I'm not.

• 55:31Speaker 06

  They didn't call it Sonos. It's right there.

• 55:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 55:34Speaker 06

  Are you serious?

• 55:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 55:36Speaker 06

  You had one job.

• 55:37David Imel?

  You had one job.

• 55:39David Imel?

  You know, last year you had one job, this year it's a different job and you messed both of them up. So it's headphones, not super different. They say how they have better ANC in two specific category ranges from it's in the HVAC frequency range.

• 55:54Speaker 03

  That's a good one.

• 55:55David Imel?

  And also in the airplane drone frequency.

• 55:57Speaker 03

  That's the other good one.

• 55:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Nailed it.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  Those are the two good ones.

• 56:02David Imel?

  Combine them and it's sitting in an airplane with the HVAC on.

• 56:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I need, they need to add one more. Server room whine, because we have that stupid server next to our office now. Driving me insane and I have a feeling we're all gonna hear a lot more servers whining in the next 10 years.

• 56:18David Imel?

  Yeah, the service, yeah, they just, they want more food. They want more power. They're like, Andrew, give me more power. They're whining. Okay, so they also have new adaptive EQ that adjusts to, due to your fit. So if you have glasses on and it's kind of like, kind of like poofing out the headphones a little bit, or if you have hair. Crazy concept. And it doesn't have like a firm seal on your head. The EQ will adapt a little bit to make up for those gaps. They have five hours of more rated battery life, up to 35 hours with the ANC on, which actually seems quite good. Three hours of fast charging gets you three hours of listening. There are two new colors, blue agave.

• 56:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Three hours of fast charging gives you three hours.

• 57:00David Imel?

  Three minutes, sorry. Three minutes of fast, sorry. Three hours of fast charging.

• 57:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Real time.

• 57:06David Imel?

  Yeah, real time.

• 57:07Andrew Manganelli?

  No one commented. I was like, wait, that can't.

• 57:09Speaker 03

  You want to listen to four minute song? You gotta charge for four minutes.

• 57:13David Imel?

  That would be crazy. Well, there's a new, there's two new colors, blue agave and beige sand. Um, yeah, that's kind of it for those.

• 57:21Andrew Manganelli?

  The blue look nice.

• 57:22David Imel?

  The blue does look very nice.

• 57:24Speaker 03

  Still $450.

• 57:25David Imel?

  Still $450.

• 57:27Speaker 03

  They, there is no limit to how much they can charge for headphones.

• 57:29David Imel?

  Not when you're a company that sells really, really expensive, uh, speakers to people who own houses.

• 57:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:37David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 57:37Speaker 03

  I, I'll try to check these out. I want to get my hands on them. I, as far on the power rankings of like things that matter to me in ANC headphones. Sound quality in ANC is at the top. Battery life is right below that. And then all the other features of like multipoint or like comparing with the Sonos system or all these other stuff. It's for me personally, not super interested, but.

• 57:59Speaker 06

  Are you a Sonos connected? Like you have Sonos at your house?

• 58:02Speaker 03

  I have one Sonos sound system. Yeah.

• 58:04Speaker 06

  But you don't have.

• 58:04Speaker 03

  I never personally go from listening to it on speakers to listening to it on headphones.

• 58:10David Imel?

  Yeah. A big thing with Sonos speakers too, is that many of them you can hardwire into your house so that they don't have to be just like, yeah.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  Jesus.

• 58:17David Imel?

  So you can like put it in the corner of your home and.

• 58:21Speaker 03

  That's a nice little billionaire penthouse.

• 58:23David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 58:24Speaker 03

  I get it. I get it.

• 58:24David Imel?

  A hundred percent. Uh, but the big news here is the Sonos 27 OS, uh, which is very chock full of AI integration. Which I'm not totally sure if you're trying to like rebuild trust with your customers over your botched, uh, software release.

• 58:40Andrew Manganelli?

  This guy is a hard job. They're trying to rebuild trust with their investors.

• 58:44David Imel?

  Right, right, right. That, that's honestly, yeah, probably true. So they're releasing a new Sonos 27 voice assistant for the system, which sure, I suppose. That gives you access to like system control and music control. There's a Sonos 27 MCP or Model Context Protocol. So you can tell Claude to play something for some reason. I really don't know why you would do that. But you can also have up to 10 Sonos agents, which can do different things. Like when you wake up, they will tell you the weather or give you a motivational speech. We really don't know what to do with AI yet.

• 59:20Speaker 03

  It seems.

• 59:22David Imel?

  I.

• 59:22Speaker 03

  I don't know, man. A motivational speech as soon as I wake.

• 59:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Wake up, sounds like it would slap.

• 59:27Speaker 03

  We're just.

• 59:27David Imel?

  Speech is crazy. Speech?

• 59:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I need like the, what's a good like sports speech? Like, give me a Ted Lasso, like, pick me up.

• 59:34Andrew Manganelli?

  No, or that girl who just learned how to ride her bike. Do you remember that YouTube video? And she gives the speech like, you can do it too.

• 59:42David Imel?

  Yeah, so it is like you can have 10 different little agents with different voices, which is wild. And they just do.

• 59:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Why do you need 10 more? Why do we need AI as in everything? And a speaker might be the dumbest product I've ever seen AI in.

• 59:54Speaker 03

  This is why I ran.

• 59:54Andrew Manganelli?

  So have you seen the Dyson toothbrush?

• 59:56Speaker 03

  Bro.

• 59:57David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:00Speaker 06

  Real quick, I think if, if it works, this is the one putting an AI in a thing that I might be okay with. Cause being able.

• 1:00:10Speaker 03

  Oh, are you talking about the toothbrush? Are you talking about the?

• 1:00:12Speaker 06

  No, the, the.

• 1:00:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I was trying to make a really bad segue.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  We'll get to the toothbrush.

• 1:00:18Speaker 06

  I just think, there's so much music out there. We have access to, in theory, all of it. And as far as I'm aware, there is not a good natural language, like music, search platform. And so the idea of being able to be like, I like the example that they did in the event of like, um, play the, I forget. It was like, play the acoustic version of this one song and it knew like instantly to look for an MTV live album. Because that's the acoustic. Like, I think that's pretty cool. Or to be like, are there any instrumental covers of this song? And it, in theory, being able to be like, actually, yeah, bro. Again, I'm hesitant. I'm hesitant.

• 1:01:03Andrew Manganelli?

  No, you're not wrong.

• 1:01:04Speaker 06

  This work. I just think as someone who really likes music and has thought a lot about music databases and music metadata for quite some time. I know I've talked about this before, but when I was trying to go to college and I thought I wanted to go to business school instead of music school. I pitched. I pitched this business idea because a lot of these schools asked for a business pitch and it was like the largest music metadata database ever. Specifically for things like this. And resoundingly, everyone was like, that's dumb. And look where we are now.

• 1:01:36David Imel?

  So agents crawling around. I feel that Spotify would have done this.

• 1:01:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I was gonna say, in the event they said it can do this.

• 1:01:43Speaker 06

  This was using a, uh, in, like, I didn't watch the event. I only read recaps.

• 1:01:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:01:48Speaker 06

  This, I believe in the event they were using Alexa Plus to do this. So that means they would be streaming on Amazon Music?

• 1:01:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:55Speaker 06

  So maybe I guess it is the streaming service and not the Sonos.

• 1:01:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I don't know. My biggest question on that is, is it like universal and different streaming services? Or there's so many companies that are like, we can do this thing.

• 1:02:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:06Andrew Manganelli?

  In Amazon Music. And you're like, well, I don't use Amazon Music. And that's the stuff. Now I just have some weird agent telling me the weather and pumping me up in the morning.

• 1:02:15Speaker 06

  Anyway, I'm, I'm excited about the idea of finally being able to search for music in the same way you talk to like the weird guy who works in your local record store.

• 1:02:23David Imel?

  Do you have, uh, Sono speakers?

• 1:02:26Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:02:28Speaker 06

  No, and I won't.

• 1:02:29David Imel?

  Yeah, same. Yeah, one, one day I almost splurged online and then I was like, what am I doing? This is my midlife crisis.

• 1:02:36Andrew Manganelli?

  There's, oh, this is so off topic, but it is about Sonos.

• 1:02:39David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:02:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll go really fast. In that podcast I was listening to, uh, the Dead Eyes one.

• 1:02:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Andrew Manganelli?

  He's an actor and he, he talked about this one really weird job he took one time where for 500 bucks, him and this other actress for a full day had to be the actors in a Sonos quote, press briefing where them, a fake child, were in a, in an apartment with their Sonos setup. And every 30 minutes, a journalist would come in and they would explain to them how they use their Sonos speakers in their everyday life. So there was like a fake child sleeping in one of the rooms and they had to pretend to be husband and wife to talk to these journalists about their like.

• 1:03:16David Imel?

  When you say fake child, do you mean a real child?

• 1:03:18Andrew Manganelli?

  I think, no, no, I think there's two. I think there was, I think there was one room with a crib that was sleeping the whole time. So there's no child in it, but, and I think there may have been a child actor or something like that. Um, very strange, but they, and I'm just imagining us as the people who cover stuff like that, going into that and being like, this is the most like tech PR advertising thing I could ever think of.

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  I don't know, man. Imagine going to a Google event and having someone running on a treadmill every time you walk in.

• 1:03:45David Imel?

  Imagine someone doing burpees and constantly doing them the entire time, shooting footage.

• 1:03:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Props to that guy. Please stop.

• 1:03:54David Imel?

  Nah, he's got abs of steel. Well, speaking of toothbrushes, um, have you ever purchased a toothbrush for $499?

• 1:04:03Speaker 03

  Here's a fun fact about me that seems to surprise a lot of people. I've never bought an electronic toothbrush.

• 1:04:07David Imel?

  What? What?

• 1:04:09Andrew Manganelli?

  What?

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  Do you use one?

• 1:04:10David Imel?

  No. You're like the tech guy. Universally, people have agreed that vibrating toothbrushes are more effective.

• 1:04:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Hey, Marquez is like the Michelin star chef who like enjoys some Taco Bell every once in a while.

• 1:04:22David Imel?

  Is that the equivalent?

• 1:04:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I have no idea.

• 1:04:24David Imel?

  I don't know.

• 1:04:25Speaker 06

  His phone's got too much AI.

• 1:04:27Speaker 03

  I got a lot of tech in my life. I've never even used an electronic toothbrush.

• 1:04:31David Imel?

  Is this going to be a hill you're gonna die on now?

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  No, no, I have nothing against them and I may be willing to adopt it. It won't be this one.

• 1:04:37David Imel?

  Why?

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  Cause it's $500 and it's got AI and I don't.

• 1:04:41David Imel?

  But it has a camera.

• 1:04:42Speaker 03

  It's also a water pick and there's just a little too much going on there.

• 1:04:45David Imel?

  There's a lot going on. Let's explain what's going on.

• 1:04:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, what is the Dyson toothbrush? You tell me.

• 1:04:49David Imel?

  Okay, so it's called the Dyson Camera Jet and it's called that because that's exactly what it does. It uses a camera which looks in between your teeth. And when it notices gaps in your teeth where it thinks that plaque and food might get stuck, it then uses a, uh, a camera, which first, they, they described the camera's resolution in pixels to make it sound like a lot of resolution. It's 0.1 megapixels.

• 1:05:14Speaker 03

  It's 100,000 pixels. It's so many pixels.

• 1:05:18David Imel?

  It's 100,000 pixels is the way they market it, which is 0.1 megapixels. So they have a 0.1 megapixel camera.

• 1:05:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Put that on a billboard.

• 1:05:27David Imel?

  Yeah, 100,000 pixels that monitors the inside of your mouth. When it sees a gap, it then squirts, sprays, uh, hoses.

• 1:05:36Speaker 03

  Jets.

• 1:05:36David Imel?

  Jets. Jets is probably the correct term.

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:40David Imel?

  What is it? Mouthwash.

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  Blasts.

• 1:05:42David Imel?

  Blast.

• 1:05:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Anyway.

• 1:05:44David Imel?

  And I started blasting. So it's blasted mouthwash in between your teeth.

• 1:05:49Speaker 03

  Sure does.

• 1:05:49David Imel?

  And Dyson says it's the same as flossing.

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  So you gotta fill this thing with, you gotta fill it up?

• 1:05:54David Imel?

  It fills itself up.

• 1:05:56Andrew Manganelli?

  And it's a little stand?

• 1:05:57David Imel?

  It has a stand that you charge it on, but it has a air bladder inside of the toothbrush that, uh, uses like suction to fill its reservoir. Within three seconds, it will refill the, uh, reservoir. And, uh, it's really over engineered. They say it has AI.

• 1:06:15Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, all right, all right. Hear me out.

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  Agents for motivational speeches.

• 1:06:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Hear me out. Every time Dyson releases something, I'm like, why?

• 1:06:25Speaker 03

  That's like a thousand dollar vacuum cleaner. Are you kidding me? And then we use it.

• 1:06:29Andrew Manganelli?

  And it's the greatest that you've ever used.

• 1:06:31David Imel?

  No, no, that's a fallacy. I, I'd like to address this fallacy. They, they cooked on the vacuums. They absolutely.

• 1:06:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, they did.

• 1:06:37David Imel?

  But just because they cooked on the vacuums, doesn't mean we have to say they cooked on everything.

• 1:06:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you remember the headphones?

• 1:06:43David Imel?

  Not cook on the headphones.

• 1:06:44Andrew Manganelli?

  The headphones worked?

• 1:06:45David Imel?

  The headphones, they didn't.

• 1:06:46Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know if they worked.

• 1:06:48David Imel?

  They are the dumbest thing I've ever.

• 1:06:49Speaker 03

  They arguably spread more disease than.

• 1:06:51David Imel?

  Yeah, they did not cook on the headphones. It's kind of like whenever people, I always get annoyed by this. Maybe this is overreacting, but people would be like, they'd just react to any new Apple product and be like, eh, I would say something like, I don't see who this is for. The market is too small. And then they go, well, that's what they said about the first iPhone. And I'm like, that, just because they cooked on one thing does not mean everything else is cooking. So I would say that like, let's let people, let's let the toothbrush reviewers get their hands on this thing, you know? Let's see if it's actually good.

• 1:07:17Speaker 03

  The tooth flu.

• 1:07:18Speaker 06

  I can't believe I'm like the Ellis defends AI episode.

• 1:07:21David Imel?

  You're not defending AI.

• 1:07:22Speaker 06

  You know how some people like, have like a really complex like skincare routine at the end of the day? That's how I am with my teeth because I was just like cursed with the least, whatever like bacteria combination I have going on here is just, just the worst.

• 1:07:38David Imel?

  So you're in the target demographic.

• 1:07:39Speaker 06

  If I could, if I could like, if I could Sonicare and Waterpik.

• 1:07:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:45Speaker 06

  In one session. Is it worth $500?

• 1:07:50David Imel?

  Maybe, maybe.

• 1:07:52Speaker 06

  If it lasts multiple years.

• 1:07:54David Imel?

  Which it probably won't.

• 1:07:54Speaker 06

  It might.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  You know how many toothbrushes I can get for $500?

• 1:07:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:58Speaker 06

  But it's like.

• 1:07:59David Imel?

  And floss.

• 1:07:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Analog toothbrushes? Acoustic.

• 1:08:03Speaker 06

  Bro, I use, I use, I have to use two different kinds of floss, bro. I use regular floss and then I use the stuff called super floss.

• 1:08:09Andrew Manganelli?

  But you'll still have to use floss because I think most people consider a water pick not as good.

• 1:08:13David Imel?

  No, but they say it effectively.

• 1:08:14Speaker 06

  33% reduction in activities. You know what I mean? Cause I could go, I could go toothbrush.

• 1:08:19David Imel?

  What's your time worth, Ellis? Is it worth $500 over the course of three years?

• 1:08:23Speaker 03

  I will, I think, I don't know if I've brought this up before, but remember there was this like super old article that was like, one guy went to 100 different dentists and got like 100 vastly different opinions.

• 1:08:34David Imel?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:35Speaker 03

  And his conclusion.

• 1:08:35David Imel?

  It's a wired article. I remember.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, honestly, anyone could say anything and I just kind of have to go with it because I don't know anything about like dentistry. I was like, dentists might kind of just be scamming me. And then a couple of years ago, I went to my dentist and they did the thing where they're like, you've been flossing? And I was like, yeah.

• 1:08:55David Imel?

  I wasn't. I floss every day. Honestly, like your gums would be, all these things would be better if you were flossing. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna do it. And for the entire next year, I flossed every single night. A year? An entire year. I brushed twice a day and flossed every single night, right? I get back to the one year later appointment. I go and I sit down and I look in through and before I say anything, they go, wow, you've really been flossing, really been flossing. I can tell. And I was like, oh, shit. They can tell.

• 1:09:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, they definitely can.

• 1:09:29David Imel?

  Now I keep it up. I gotta say, the dentist always gasped me up and I don't do a good job. But I manually, no electric.

• 1:09:38Speaker 06

  Lottery thing, you know what I mean? Some people just have the right combination.

• 1:09:40David Imel?

  My microbiome in my mouth is incorrect.

• 1:09:43Speaker 06

  Nothing, nothing was good in here, you know? Despite all the beautiful things that come out of my mouth. Existence of the things inside my mouth are no good.

• 1:09:52Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a yin yang, man. You can't have both, Ellis. You can't say, you can't be winning that hard.

• 1:09:58David Imel?

  All this is to say, I don't think a $500 Dyson toothbrush slash water prick pick is necessary for my routine. It's not necessary for anybody, but it's great.

• 1:10:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it might be worth it.

• 1:10:10David Imel?

  I think, I mean, I think flossing is. We're gonna wait for the reviews.

• 1:10:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Flossing is better than water picking and way cheaper.

• 1:10:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Andrew Manganelli?

  And so my biggest thing here is, everyone else here uses an electric toothbrush, right?

• 1:10:21David Imel?

  Everybody?

• 1:10:22Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 1:10:23David Imel?

  No. So you use an acoustic one?

• 1:10:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I have used electric toothbrushes and I love them. I just never replaced it when it died, so I'm in my acoustic phase, but I'll go back to.

• 1:10:32David Imel?

  Are you using your electric one?

• 1:10:34Andrew Manganelli?

  You're doing your solo album right now? No, I got a regular toothbrush.

• 1:10:37David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:10:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, I. Well, so when you guys brush, the way you're supposed to use an electric toothbrush is basically let it do its whole, all the work, right? And just go across your teeth. Then I could see it, no scoping all the gaps in that. But do any of you do it like that? Or do you brush it like a regular toothbrush, even though it's an electric toothbrush?

• 1:10:54David Imel?

  I think most people probably brush it.

• 1:10:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I think most people still go.

• 1:10:57David Imel?

  Until you told me this.

• 1:10:59Andrew Manganelli?

  And there's zero chance it's hitting those gaps in that situation.

• 1:11:03Speaker 06

  My Philips Sonicare has feedback that lets me know when I'm not brushing.

• 1:11:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Mine does too and gives me a little frowny face and I go, I don't.

• 1:11:11Speaker 06

  Yeah. Mine, when you, when you use it incorrectly, it, the motor kicks on a little extra and goes eh eh, like while it's vibrating.

• 1:11:18Andrew Manganelli?

  So mine glows red on the bottom, like. Chill, chill, chill, chill.

• 1:11:22David Imel?

  What I'm learning.

• 1:11:23Speaker 06

  Not to keep, my Philips Sonicare also, when I need to move on to a new part of my mouth, it goes eh, like, like, like, there's tons of feedback.

• 1:11:30David Imel?

  Holy.

• 1:11:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, mine, it's like every 30 seconds, it like does something different to be like, oh, you're getting closer.

• 1:11:35David Imel?

  How much did Philips Sonicare pay you, Ellis?

• 1:11:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Mine's Oral-B.

• 1:11:38Speaker 06

  I'm just, I'm a believer, man.

• 1:11:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll say though, in the dentist thing, they do know, cause mine went using electric toothbrush, right? I was like, yeah, he's like, you gotta be calmer with it, cause it's kind of like, your gums are starting to get affected from it.

• 1:11:52David Imel?

  Tell that once they started cleaning your teeth or before?

• 1:11:54Andrew Manganelli?

  When they, I mean, they were in my mouth.

• 1:11:56David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Like looking at it, he was like, using an electric toothbrush, right? And I was like, yeah. And he's like, yeah, if you're going too hard, your gums are getting hit too much with like, right, too much power and it's gonna start receding.

• 1:12:07David Imel?

  Do you guys remember ToothTunes?

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:12:09David Imel?

  Where you have like a, what is it, a 60 second song?

• 1:12:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Didn't they catch on fire?

• 1:12:14David Imel?

  Probably. They're for kids. That's a bad combination. Yeah. What? I'd argue that a fire in my mouth is equally bad as a fire in a kid's mouth. Yeah.

• 1:12:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I was wrong. I swear there's something about.

• 1:12:27David Imel?

  That sounds, it sounds familiar though. Like this toothbrush catching on fire? I feel like that was a thing. Maybe. Well, anyway, uh, these ToothTunes, they would play songs and they use bone conduction. Right. Cause they would vibrate on your teeth and you could only hear it. So it incentivized the kid to actually keep it on their teeth because it used the bone conduction so they could hear the song. They had like Hannah Montana, stuff like that.

• 1:12:51Andrew Manganelli?

  You put the right AI agents in this Dyson and you've got ToothTunes. All you need is a Hannah Montana cartridge.

• 1:12:56David Imel?

  Or like a 60 second motivational speech.

• 1:12:59Speaker 06

  Oh my God, that's what they, I could do.

• 1:13:01David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I would like a review unit.

• 1:13:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Are you gonna send it back?

• 1:13:13David Imel?

  How does that work? They can't repurpose that. If they want my mouth biome, go for it.

• 1:13:19David Imel?

  Do you really wanna talk about this, Andrew?

• 1:13:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I wanna go so fast because I think it's funny.

• 1:13:22David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:13:23Andrew Manganelli?

  We're potentially getting new Twitter because of a company called Operation Bluebird in Virginia is launching their new social media website, twitter now.

• 1:13:30David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:31Andrew Manganelli?

  They've been, I guess, working on it a little while.

• 1:13:34David Imel?

  Yeah, I remember when they announced this.

• 1:13:35Andrew Manganelli?

  They announced it, cause in April, they brought it to a US district court where the judge gave a, I guess not a ruling, but said he's, that he thinks X seems to have given up the word tweet, the Twitter bird logo, and possibly the word Twitter, although this is not a written order yet. So this Operation Bluebird wants to now take the name Twitter. What's funny is the two founders, one is a former trademark lawyer from Twitter and the other is a trademark attorney, which feels kind of weird that two trademark attorneys wanna start a new social media website when it really just sounds like they really want the word Twitter and the blue bird.

• 1:14:13David Imel?

  I mean, everyone kind of does.

• 1:14:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Everyone does.

• 1:14:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:15Andrew Manganelli?

  It seems more like a, let's get the old popular name and figure it out after that.

• 1:14:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Anyways, it's going to be a $20 social media platform that uses trust scores versus an algorithm and uses an AI called Vera to, you know, provide context and sources on things. It all sounds great, but obviously X is not gonna be happy about this and this is probably just gonna be a giant legal battle.

• 1:14:37David Imel?

  It's gonna be a legal battle. I don't think it, I think it's, you can pay $20 to secure your handle now. It's not like you have, you're going to have to pay $20 to use a platform.

• 1:14:47Andrew Manganelli?

  You can pay $20 to have a handle for giant legal fees that you'll probably never gonna use your handle on.

• 1:14:51David Imel?

  Yeah, and I just like, I wanna say, this is, this, Blue Sky had this chance. Like, Blue Sky is close enough to Twitter. It's, it looked exactly, it looks exactly the same. It's better, it's part of the Fediverse. It's, you know? It had all these things going for it and it still didn't really, or hasn't yet overtaken X, taken off Twitter. Uh, I just don't think, just because they have the name Twitter, I just.

• 1:15:17Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I don't think it will.

• 1:15:19David Imel?

  I think if this had launched like immediately after Twitter changed to X, there could have been a mass migration and it could have been cool migration, like a migration.

• 1:15:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, it's already, if you go to twitter now, 404-ing and saying we're down. This was harder than we thought.

• 1:15:31David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, but yeah, I just, I miss Twitter. None of them are going to work because the base of Twitter was on, is on X now and mostly just fragmented away from me.

• 1:15:42David Imel?

  I also think that this, yeah, I think people yearn for the days of social media before algorithmic feeds, but the problem is people's dopamine receptors are just too attuned to algorithmic feeds now. And even if there was a platform that came out that was like, we are healthier, people don't go for the healthy stuff. They eat the candy, they don't eat the vegetables. Yeah, then your dentist goes, I could tell.

• 1:16:07David Imel?

  I could tell. You need to buy the Dyson toothbrush.

• 1:16:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Have you been on Twitter?

• 1:16:10David Imel?

  Yeah. All right, we need to do another trivia question and then the ad break. And then we're going to do a little show and tell because Adam wanted to do show and tell and I forgot my product, but I'm gonna.

• 1:16:21Andrew Manganelli?

  You have 30 seconds to think about it.

• 1:16:23David Imel?

  You can just tell, I can just tell you about it.

• 1:16:25Andrew Manganelli?

  That's true, you don't need to show.

• 1:16:26David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:26Andrew Manganelli?

  It is show and tell. Okay, anyway, Google Find Hub was first announced August of 2013, but it had a different name when it was first announced. What was that name?

• 1:16:36David Imel?

  August of 2013?

• 1:16:37Andrew Manganelli?

  2013. I think I know what this is. Oh my God.

• 1:16:41David Imel?

  I don't, that's crazy, really?

• 1:16:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I think I might get a.

• 1:16:44David Imel?

  No.

• 1:16:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Don't say it, don't say it. Kim from Marcus.

• 1:16:47David Imel?

  I don't wanna jiggit. I'm just gonna keep it in the back of my head. Uh, answers at the end, of course. We'll be right back.

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  Everyone's got a hard question about AI. Your job, your kids, where it's going. Anthropic was built to surface those questions and share what it finds along the way because there's hope in hard questions. Ask yours at claud.ai/spotify and keep thinking. That's claud.ai/spotify.

• 1:17:27Speaker 07

  Your heart can tell you a lot about your health. Apple Watch Series 12 measures your heart rate every five seconds with the most accurate heart rate sensing and wearable. So your vitals app, now with heart rate variability, can tell you when something is off. And your readiness score can let you know when to rest and when to push. Hear the story in every heartbeat with Apple Watch Series 12. The features described are for wellness purposes only and not for medical use. iPhone 11 or later required. Based on Apple conducted study of heart rate accuracy, August 2026. Visit apple.com slash Apple Watch Series 12. Does checking your bank statements feel like digging through a dusty attic full of forgotten subscriptions and old free trials? Experian can help take the pain out of canceling by handling it for you.

• 1:18:10Speaker 07

  Think of it as Operation Get Your Sanity Back. Over 200 subscriptions are cancelable. So get started in the Experian app and see how much you could save. Results will vary. Not all subscriptions eligible. Savings not guaranteed. Paid membership with connected payment account required. See experian.com for details.

• 1:18:24Speaker 03

  All right, welcome back. We're gonna do one last segment this week before we dive into the thick of tech-temper. And that is a little show and tell. Why not? We got a couple of things brought into the studio or that we're going to tell each other about that maybe we haven't heard of. Who wants to go first?

• 1:18:44David Imel?

  Um, I could go first.

• 1:18:46Speaker 03

  I'll allow it.

• 1:18:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Let's go first. Free break, you didn't even have anything. And now you're going first. So let's do it.

• 1:18:51David Imel?

  I was reminded that I do have something new. You might have not heard of it. It's called the iPhone Fold.

• 1:18:56Speaker 03

  That's...

• 1:18:57David Imel?

  Kidding.

• 1:18:58Andrew Manganelli?

  We lied before.

• 1:18:59David Imel?

  Kidding. So sometimes the audience likes to care about our watches, which is kind of fun.

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  They do be doing that.

• 1:19:06David Imel?

  We have a lot of watch fanatics on this team. I recently switched over from my very basic Casio over to a Citizen Anadigi Temp.

• 1:19:18Andrew Manganelli?

  What time is it?

• 1:19:19David Imel?

  Uh, it is 12:38 and 52 seconds.

• 1:19:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow.

• 1:19:23David Imel?

  Yeah, it actually is, it doesn't really drift, which is cool. The story of this watch, I believe it was Japan only, which is kind of crazy. But it can tell the temperature, which is kind of cool for a analog watch.

• 1:19:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Like your temperature?

• 1:19:37David Imel?

  Like it's... You know, it's always pretty off, so I couldn't really tell you.

• 1:19:41Speaker 06

  Did you read the manual?

• 1:19:42David Imel?

  I did.

• 1:19:43Speaker 06

  Okay, because I also, I own a Casio Pro Trek that has a temperature, but in the manual, they're very clear. They're like, in order to get a temperature reading, you need to leave it in the shade for half an hour.

• 1:19:54David Imel?

  Yeah, that sounds like it's probably correct also on the Citizen Anadigi Temp. So the story of this watch is, for people that don't know, I have many baristas, okay? And one of my baristas, Mateo, gave me this watch because he found three of them in a box outside of a design agency that said free.

• 1:20:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Nice.

• 1:20:17David Imel?

  My guess is that the design agency buys a lot of stuff that's very aesthetic, much like we do, just to kind of like get inspo. And then they eventually just threw them away. And yeah, I think it's really nice. It's very cool looking and it can allegedly tell the temperature, but only in Celsius because they only resided in Japan.

• 1:20:34Speaker 03

  It says 1240 on that.

• 1:20:36David Imel?

  It says 1240.

• 1:20:37Andrew Manganelli?

  It says 1240.

• 1:20:38Speaker 03

  When I was looking at my computer, it said 1239, so one of them's a lot.

• 1:20:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:45Andrew Manganelli?

  It's funny, you say, people ask about our watches all the time. Marquez has not been wearing a watch because he's wearing his Whoop Band.

• 1:20:51David Imel?

  On the left hand.

• 1:20:52Andrew Manganelli?

  And so I was like, oh, what's a cool watch Marquez could get? And I, on a subreddit, I saw this like Casio Cosmo Phase. And I was like, Marquez might like that because it has like this cool graphic on the top that shows like the planets. It's from 1980 and the cheapest one I can find is $2,000 and it is beat to hell. So I was like, okay, maybe not. Maybe we won't convince Marquez.

• 1:21:17David Imel?

  You could buy four Dyson toothbrushes for that.

• 1:21:20Speaker 03

  I have not seen a lot of analog watches that...

• 1:21:23Andrew Manganelli?

  This is digital.

• 1:21:24Speaker 03

  I mean, this is digital. I've not seen a lot of any watches that are of the aesthetic that would make me decide to get a watch.

• 1:21:35David Imel?

  Yeah, maybe you should get a watch.

• 1:21:38Speaker 03

  Well, we have to find one that I like. Remember when Kevin O'Leary tried to get me to get a watch? And I was like, I like this Apple Watch. And he was like, "How dare you." He hated that.

• 1:21:49David Imel?

  Yeah, well, Kevin, it's the most sold watch of all time, so.

• 1:21:52Speaker 03

  Turns out.

• 1:21:53David Imel?

  Yeah, so anyway, it's not as fun and maybe next week I will actually have something real.

• 1:21:57Andrew Manganelli?

  I like it.

• 1:21:58David Imel?

  But some people care about our watches.

• 1:21:59Speaker 03

  They'd be watch-watching.

• 1:22:00David Imel?

  They'd be watching my watch.

• 1:22:01Andrew Manganelli?

  I care. I watch your watches all the time.

• 1:22:03David Imel?

  I don't watch my watches. Who's next?

• 1:22:05Speaker 03

  I can go. I said mine came in a briefcase. It's not really a briefcase, it's more of like a small Pelican case, but I get asked a lot, is there any tech in Ultimate Frisbee? And usually I say, no, there isn't. But I am on film committee for the team that I play on. We have a lot of committees. Logistics committee, travel committee, budget committee, weather committee, that's me.

• 1:22:30Andrew Manganelli?

  He created that one.

• 1:22:32David Imel?

  You are the weather committee?

• 1:22:33Speaker 03

  It's just me.

• 1:22:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Self-appointed.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  But film committee always a tough job because we want to film all of practice and every game that we play. But it's hard to have like a good angle and like have someone, maybe like you hire someone who like films every game, has a camcorder. Back in college, we had a camcorder on the sideline. If you weren't playing that point, we would just assign someone to go run over to the camcorder and point it at the action. So we always had film of every game.

• 1:22:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I swear to God, Marquez, if there's a GoPro in here.

• 1:22:57Speaker 03

  It's not a GoPro. It is a camera. It's called, I don't even know how to pronounce it. It's either called a Vio or the Veo. Have you not seen this?

• 1:23:05Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 1:23:06Speaker 03

  All right, so this thing right here goes on top of a tripod, a very, very, very tall tripod, like 20 feet in the air. And it sways in the wind. But this thing has two ultra-wide cameras on the front and it's designed, I think, for soccer. Because basically what it does is you put it at half field, it sees the entire field and then it will stitch together this huge, on this huge panoramic image, it will auto-track the players and the ball as they are playing and film the whole practice or the whole game.

• 1:23:36David Imel?

  As you say.

• 1:23:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's got this huge panoramic view, but you don't see the whole view unless you want to and the software will zoom out. But it will auto-follow the action. And what I think is happening is it's trained on soccer, but a Frisbee flying through the air looks on camera kind of like a soccer ball. And so it appropriately follows a Frisbee game as well.

• 1:23:57David Imel?

  You sure it's not just like human tracking? Like it's tracking the person?

• 1:24:00Speaker 03

  Um, it sometimes tracks the disc. Because what happens is we start with seven people on the left, seven people on the right, and there's a kickoff. And it always follows the kickoff from the direction that the Frisbee comes from.

• 1:24:11Andrew Manganelli?

  It does volleyball, hockey, baseball, football. It's got it all. This is sick.

• 1:24:17David Imel?

  If we can do lacrosse, it can do all.

• 1:24:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, if it can find a lacrosse.

• 1:24:20David Imel?

  A lacrosse ball is like this big.

• 1:24:22Andrew Manganelli?

  This is the second time I'm like, how have I never heard of this before? Because last time you brought in like...

• 1:24:27David Imel?

  The juggling balls.

• 1:24:28Andrew Manganelli?

  This time, I feel like we ask you pretty often on this podcast if there's tech in Ultimate Frisbee. And you're like, nah, not really.

• 1:24:34Speaker 03

  There kind of isn't really.

• 1:24:35David Imel?

  That's USB-C.

• 1:24:36Speaker 03

  You have a tracker. Yeah, so on the back, so I have a couple of gripes with it. It's not perfect. The battery life is maybe one and a half games, so it's not a long time. USB Type C, it's got local storage, but then it's got this really shady, not shady, not a very good app where you have to like upload the footage to the cloud. It's also a subscription, like it's not ID. And it's pretty expensive, but it does the thing. I think 10 years ago, we wouldn't call this AI, we'd call it like object tracking. But I think today, this would be like an AI-powered sports photography. It's waterproof, this gets, it's out in the sun, it's like 100 degrees, it's baking hot and this thing, it's fallen over multiple times, you can see the scratches on it, it survived, it's pretty durable. So yeah, shout out to the Veo.

• 1:25:17Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like a turtle head.

• 1:25:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:19David Imel?

  Would you say that this is a popular product?

• 1:25:21Speaker 03

  I see one at every tournament I go to.

• 1:25:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 1:25:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I see them.

• 1:25:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Is like UltiWorld using them or?

• 1:25:28Speaker 03

  Um, not, they do real broadcast cameras, but like every team's got one, it seems like now.

• 1:25:33David Imel?

  I do like the way that on the website, they show footage and I do like the way that it's panning and kind of doing a slow zoom, a slow pan. It looks very natural.

• 1:25:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then they have like an online portal where you can like clips, you can like clip sections and like comment on it, your whole team can view footage.

• 1:25:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Put it in vertical and scroll through all the clips.

• 1:25:51David Imel?

  Yeah, you can do the, you know.

• 1:25:52Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:25:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. I think I'm most impressed by the 20-foot tripod. I want to see that.

• 1:25:57David Imel?

  Does that come with it?

• 1:25:58Speaker 03

  Fun fact about the tripod, we went to Limerick, Ireland for Worlds. We brought the Veo, we brought the tripod, we flew back.

• 1:26:05David Imel?

  Limerick is a place?

• 1:26:06Speaker 03

  Limerick is the name of the city. We flew back, I brought the Veo back, nobody brought the tripod back.

• 1:26:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, no.

• 1:26:14Speaker 03

  It's still in our Airbnb.

• 1:26:15David Imel?

  And is this like, is this a proprietary tripod or does it?

• 1:26:18Speaker 03

  No, it's got a quarter 20 on the bottom. But the thing about tripods, when you picture a tripod, it's like the three legs and then the mount at the top. But this thing has to be, yeah, it's got to be 20 feet tall. So it's got this tripod section at the bottom, but then a bunch of telescoping like scopes to get really high off the ground. So we got another one of those.

• 1:26:34David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:26:35Speaker 03

  Film committee is on it, for those wondering.

• 1:26:37David Imel?

  Are you the only one on the film committee?

• 1:26:39Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:26:40David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:26:41Speaker 03

  No, the other guy on the film committee forgot the tripod.

• 1:26:44Speaker 03

  Sure, bad guy.

• 1:26:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:45Andrew Manganelli?

  And now he's, now he's, Marquez is the only one.

• 1:26:47David Imel?

  There's only one other guy, Marquez.

• 1:26:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, so yeah, I took care of that.

• 1:26:53David Imel?

  All right.

• 1:26:53Speaker 03

  All you have to do is check a bag. It's not that hard.

• 1:26:55David Imel?

  All right, who's next?

• 1:26:57Speaker 06

  I'll, I'll go next, because I think mine is sort of small. Mine is not a physical thing.

• 1:27:02David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:02Speaker 06

  It's an app slash a website. Um, I've hyperlink it in the show description. Anyway, it's not a new thing. It's a thing I found out about a long time ago and recently rediscovered and have a newfound appreciation for. It's called Radio Garden. Is, uh, it's very simple. It is in its core, a collection of tens of thousands of, um, radio stations that do digital streams of their, their broadcast, but it is wrapped up in a user interface that is very, very similar to Google Earth. So when you want to listen to something, you have the ability to scroll through the globe and be like,

• 1:27:44Speaker 06

  what's going on in Panama? What's going on in Korea? It's very, very fun. Um, there's feeds all over the world. It's a very simple application. There's no, you, you don't sign up for an account. There's no tracking. Um, it's just good. It's just good. So if you want to enjoy something that is not a for you page.

• 1:28:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:07Speaker 06

  I recommend.

• 1:28:08Speaker 03

  You ever stumble across anything crazy?

• 1:28:09David Imel?

  Stumble upon?

• 1:28:11Speaker 06

  I've stumbled across a few. So they curate some like pretty cool stations from, uh, around the world. I also, there are some like existing online radio stations I really like, like WMF, WFMU here in Jersey City.

• 1:28:23Speaker 03

  WVFRM is a good one, too.

• 1:28:26Speaker 06

  Oh, that's, that's, we're not, we're not on it. Um, uh, Dub Lab, NTS, which I just happen to be wearing an, an NTS shirt today. All of those are already on it.

• 1:28:35Speaker 03

  NTSy.

• 1:28:36Speaker 06

  But I've, I'd say like the, the best station that I've like stumbled upon that I do a lot is a, uh, station from Madrid, where we just were called Loca Ambient, which is all just like very calm ambient music. It's beautifully curated. Uh, so yeah, Radio Garden, very fun.

• 1:28:54Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 1:28:54David Imel?

  That's kind of awesome.

• 1:28:55Speaker 06

  Oh, and it's Android, iOS and, uh, browser.

• 1:29:00Speaker 03

  Cool. They have apps?

• 1:29:02Speaker 06

  They, they have apps.

• 1:29:03Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:29:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:29:04Speaker 03

  They're free.

• 1:29:04Speaker 06

  Much like Chili's.

• 1:29:05Speaker 03

  They got apps, boy.

• 1:29:06Speaker 06

  They got apps.

• 1:29:08Speaker 03

  Sick.

• 1:29:09David Imel?

  All right.

• 1:29:10Speaker 03

  Do you want to go, Adam? I'll go last.

• 1:29:12David Imel?

  Okay, mine is not new. It is an old, well, old-ish thing, but it just like solves a problem that I feel I've had since AirTags came out, which is AirTag, the thing I lose the most is my keys. And I can't put an AirTag on my keys without a special case, without a special like extra thing that I have to get. And most of the time they're trash or like they age terribly. So Chipolo came out with a Chipolo Loop, which is just basically an AirTag on this little floppy piece of like silicon that is just perfect. And I've been using it. I expected it to break. I've been using it for a couple of months now and it still is like perfectly on my keys. It's a little stretchy and everything. And the Chipolo thing itself is compatible with the Find My Network and with Google's Find Hub, which is perfect. So it's between both.

• 1:29:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:57David Imel?

  And it has extra functionality because there's a button. So if I press the button, I'm not going to do it now, but it would like set my phone off. So like if I have my keys, but I don't know where my phone is, I could just press the button and it works. It does things like that. It'll be like a selfie camera. So if I put up a camera over there, I can press the button and it'll take a picture. Yeah, it's like really cool, actually useful, and it's like not that expensive.

• 1:30:17Speaker 06

  Wait, and you're, you're forgetting the coolest part, which is that what's on the bottom?

• 1:30:21Speaker 03

  The recharge.

• 1:30:21David Imel?

  USB-C, baby.

• 1:30:23Speaker 03

  Oh, you can charge. How long is, uh, how long does it last on a charge?

• 1:30:26David Imel?

  Um, a couple of weeks, yeah, a couple of weeks. I haven't charged it in like, I think like two months maybe, so.

• 1:30:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, really?

• 1:30:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:33Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:30:33David Imel?

  Well, I don't use it that much. But I'm sure if you're like using it every day, pinging things, maybe it doesn't last as long, but like it's fine. I have, I think the ringtone for this that I have is Lakuka Racha, which is awesome, so.

• 1:30:45Speaker 03

  It's got a speaker?

• 1:30:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, a little speaker.

• 1:30:47Speaker 06

  That's a certified bagger product.

• 1:30:48Speaker 03

  That's, that is. That sounds like a great deal. Mine, on the other hand.

• 1:30:54Speaker 03

  Uh-oh.

• 1:30:55Speaker 06

  So this is why you wanted me to go before you.

• 1:30:57Speaker 03

  Jesus.

• 1:30:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, I also brought a briefcase.

• 1:30:59Speaker 03

  You know how many Dyson toothbrushes you could have bought for this?

• 1:31:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, I'm going to.

• 1:31:03Speaker 03

  This is crazy.

• 1:31:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Preface this by saying this is something that was sent to the office. This is something that is going to go into the new studio, but was taking up room here. So I asked Marquez if I could try it out at home until we bring it to the new office, and I have, and I've been loving it. It's called the Vultura One by Beyond Power. It is a portable home workout machine.

• 1:31:25Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:31:26Andrew Manganelli?

  That is essentially a, how big would you say this? A large water bottle size.

• 1:31:32Speaker 03

  This is the size of a loaf of bread.

• 1:31:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Very heavy.

• 1:31:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:36Andrew Manganelli?

  It is essentially a portable, uh, adjustable cable machine.

• 1:31:41Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:31:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Where, um, you have a screen, you have this, a place that you can attach workout accessories. Um, and then a cable that can adjust to different, uh, levels of resistance. And because of how you mount it, there are different ways you can mount it. You can either mount it to a thing that will attach to an, an average squat rack, something I don't have. You can have something that will attach to a pole. So I have one above in, I have a pull-up bar in my garage, so I can attach it to that. But what's kind of cool is it also has this thing, which I brought behind me,

• 1:32:14Andrew Manganelli?

  which is a big piece of wood.

• 1:32:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:17Andrew Manganelli?

  So what you can do is you can attach it onto the piece of wood,

• 1:32:24Andrew Manganelli?

  lock it in place, and now you standing on it is the weight resistance.

• 1:32:29Speaker 03

  Can you hold it up to the camera? Because you're putting it in the exact spot where there's no camera.

• 1:32:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Heavy, though.

• 1:32:35Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:32:35Andrew Manganelli?

  So to, uh, if you want to give an example, um, Marquez or David, do one of you guys want to try this? Okay, so if you take this, I just brought in one singular.

• 1:32:47Speaker 03

  So don't take a smartphone video?

• 1:32:49Andrew Manganelli?

  So take this and put it on the ground.

• 1:32:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:52Andrew Manganelli?

  It's pretty heavy.

• 1:32:53Speaker 03

  You're just going to turn the camera?

• 1:32:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Have you told it how much weight to do? Uh, no. So what you're going to do is on the, the touchscreen on your left, which is pretty good, you should be able to hit weight training, and then there should be a scroll to your left on how much weight you want it to do. Pick yours, and then hit tap to load.

• 1:33:13Andrew Manganelli?

  So choose a weight, tap to load. Now stand on it. You're going to do a hundred pound curl or like a, oh, you're going to do like, okay, yeah, squat, okay. So now grab the handle and pull.

• 1:33:28Andrew Manganelli?

  It's up, so like with just the stance, you can do bicep curls, tricep pull, push-up, like shoulder push-ups. You can do squats, you can do deadlift, like there's so much you can do with just standing and using your own weight as a counterweight in it. And I forget how much it goes up to. It goes up pretty high. Um, it is an absurd amount of money. For just, I don't know how much it goes up to. You can try, see.

• 1:33:54Speaker 03

  Twenty-four hundred bucks.

• 1:33:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, is twenty-two hundred dollars for just the machine. I think at minimum, you probably need,

• 1:34:05Andrew Manganelli?

  at minimum, you probably need the twenty-six hundred dollar like Nomad bundle, which gives you the board that it connects to, a straight bar and one handle. It what?

• 1:34:14Speaker 03

  It can run out of battery, which is a funny thing to say.

• 1:34:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, it can run out of battery. It's just charged with USB-C. I've used this five or six times and it's at eighty percent battery.

• 1:34:22Speaker 03

  I was going to work out, but my weights ran out of battery, so I'm sorry, yeah.

• 1:34:27Andrew Manganelli?

  But like, I don't, and it's got all different ways. You can change the way the weight resistance works to kind of mimic like people who put chains on things. It can do different types of resistance to it. Um, it, it's really simple to use. The touchscreen is actually like pretty solid. Do you want to try it, David?

• 1:34:42Speaker 03

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:34:46Speaker 03

  It's not cheap, though.

• 1:34:47Speaker 06

  But just to be.

• 1:34:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, you can see you behind it.

• 1:34:50Speaker 06

  It doesn't charge your phone, right?

• 1:34:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't believe so.

• 1:34:54Speaker 06

  Okay, for some reason, all of the branding, all of the naming, I thought that's where this is going.

• 1:34:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, well, oh, it's yeah, by Beyond Power.

• 1:35:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, I like, this whole time I thought this was.

• 1:35:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Do some bicep curls on camera. That'll help us. Yeah.

• 1:35:10Speaker 03

  You can't hear the music, but.

• 1:35:11Andrew Manganelli?

  It's, it's nice, though, right? Yeah, it definitely has some resistance.

• 1:35:16Speaker 03

  I'm only doing a hundred pounds, though.

• 1:35:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:19David Imel?

  It has a precision drive motor that can do five to 200 pounds. So we can't max out your curl here, but we can do a lot of work.

• 1:35:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I do think this has a really, um, there's some people that this would be super useful. People who like travel van life, kind of stuff like that. This is your mobile workout station connected to your van. Use the board outside, like you can still get a workout in it counts your reps. It has an app. I try not to use the app for it.

• 1:35:46Speaker 03

  Do you know how many months of a gym membership is $2,400?

• 1:35:49Andrew Manganelli?

  So many. Listen.

• 1:35:50Speaker 03

  Van life people should just pay for Planet Fitness.

• 1:35:52Andrew Manganelli?

  That's also super true.

• 1:35:54David Imel?

  And they get a shower.

• 1:35:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I think most people who are buying at home or personal workout equipment, understand they probably have to spend a lot of money for you. You don't always, you can do secondhand stuff. You either need a lot of space or a lot of money.

• 1:36:06David Imel?

  Or you're in the national parks and they don't have Planet Fitness.

• 1:36:08Speaker 03

  Promo videos wrapping it around a tree.

• 1:36:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it has like a strap, like an anywhere. It's, I really think like people in RVs or stuff like this, if you are living like that, this might be something that's cool. Again, it's so expensive. I am not recommending anyone buys this. The first time I saw it actually was, um, there's a disc golfer who uses it because they are just, to save money, they're driving everywhere, but she's really into working out. So this is her mobile workout station when she's at tournaments and stuff.

• 1:36:35David Imel?

  You know, I like seeing things that are really, really, really well made, even if they cost insane amount of money, like the Dyson toothbrush. But yeah, this seems, I mean, the build quality is crazy.

• 1:36:46Andrew Manganelli?

  It's well made. I've been having a fun time with Justin in the garage. And it's easy to just switch between like everything. It snaps on so nice.

• 1:36:53David Imel?

  Would you say this is a startup or is it like established?

• 1:36:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know enough about them. I don't know why they sent it to us, but there was.

• 1:36:59Speaker 03

  Startup, like, well, I mean, in the world of fitness equipment, like this is a pretty niche thing to be doing rather than free weights, but it is like very high tech.

• 1:37:07David Imel?

  Build quality is just really good and like the, the screen is really responsive and the app, it looks pretty decent.

• 1:37:13Andrew Manganelli?

  And as far as I know, it's only one product with a bunch of accessories for the same product.

• 1:37:18David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:37:18Andrew Manganelli?

  So like, it feels like their only thing they've made.

• 1:37:22David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Again, crazy expensive.

• 1:37:23David Imel?

  Crazy.

• 1:37:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Don't go buy it unless you're ready to spend $3,000 or whatever. But it's well made and I'm going to be really sad when I put it in the gym at the new office.

• 1:37:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:32Speaker 03

  That's where we'll be all working out.

• 1:37:33David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:35David Imel?

  Very cool.

• 1:37:35Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 1:37:37David Imel?

  Is that everything? I guess that's everything.

• 1:37:38Andrew Manganelli?

  That was all.

• 1:37:39David Imel?

  That was fun. Only one thing left to do, which is give me trivia points. And then unveil the iPhone fold live on the podcast.

• 1:37:48Speaker 06

  I forgot one important disclaimer, which is that Radio Garden, the, the thing I said, is not available in the UK or Turkey. Or in the UK, you can only listen to UK radio stations and in Turkey you could not.

• 1:37:59David Imel?

  What?

• 1:37:59Speaker 06

  It doesn't work.

• 1:37:59Speaker 03

  Why?

• 1:38:01Speaker 06

  Copyright law, like international copyright.

• 1:38:03David Imel?

  No wonder they had pirate radio.

• 1:38:04Speaker 03

  Do you need a marker? Oh, yeah. We have Sony markers.

• 1:38:06David Imel?

  You see that movie Pirate Radio? Yeah. I haven't seen it. It's a movie?

• 1:38:11Speaker 03

  I have one of those.

• 1:38:13Speaker 06

  I know the general gist of, of what it's about.

• 1:38:16Andrew Manganelli?

  It's with Johnny Depp.

• 1:38:17David Imel?

  Broad.

• 1:38:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:38:18David Imel?

  They broadcast radio from the sea and then the UK government's very angry at them about it.

• 1:38:24Speaker 06

  Guys, what came first? The soundbar?

• 1:38:27David Imel?

  Or the egg?

• 1:38:28Speaker 06

  Or the egg? And by egg, I mean stereo. Did you press the button?

• 1:38:33David Imel?

  Wait.

• 1:38:34Speaker 06

  Damn, you did that so sneaky like.

• 1:38:35David Imel?

  Soundbar or what?

• 1:38:36Speaker 06

  Or stereo, uh, cable TV broadcast. Is that not cable? Is it cable? Whatever. Stereo TV broadcast.

• 1:38:41Speaker 03

  I want to ask a clarifying question.

• 1:38:44Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 1:38:44Speaker 03

  This can only, there are only two answers that this could be, correct?

• 1:38:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, it could either be soundbar or stereo.

• 1:38:49Speaker 03

  There's not a trick question of they came out the same month or something. Okay.

• 1:38:53Speaker 06

  Nope, nope, nope.

• 1:38:54Speaker 03

  Cause I almost put that, cause I don't trust you at all.

• 1:38:56Speaker 06

  All right, let's do David first.

• 1:38:58David Imel?

  I wrote, "Soundbar."

• 1:39:00Speaker 06

  Soundbar is, oh, all three of you wrote soundbar.

• 1:39:05Speaker 06

  Everyone say soundbar on three. One, two, three.

• 1:39:08David Imel?

  Soundbar.

• 1:39:09Speaker 06

  Yay.

• 1:39:10Speaker 03

  I was ready to say stereo as the buzzer went.

• 1:39:13David Imel?

  Even though I gained no ground on them, I'm happy to get a credit point.

• 1:39:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I was gonna say, that's the most useless point.

• 1:39:18Speaker 06

  Tele Sound Model 1300. It had this, uh, a thing that was kind of popular back in the day called duophonic, where you take a mono signal and it kind of tricks your brain into thinking it's sort of stereo. But it did have actual stereo capabilities because LaserDiscs, and I think VCR tapes, like VHS tapes at the time, had stereo sound. So you, you could watch some stuff in stereo, just your TV wasn't in stereo. TV stereo broadcast sort of became a thing about four years later.

• 1:39:47David Imel?

  Cool.

• 1:39:48Andrew Manganelli?

  So with that, Marquez now has two points.

• 1:39:51Speaker 06

  Let's go.

• 1:39:53Speaker 03

  Double them up.

• 1:39:54David Imel?

  Double them up.

• 1:39:54Speaker 03

  You ever double up your points?

• 1:39:56David Imel?

  That's crazy.

• 1:39:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Andrew and David tied at five.

• 1:39:59David Imel?

  Yeah, whatever.

• 1:39:59Speaker 03

  Tied. That far.

• 1:40:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, you're not that far.

• 1:40:01David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:02Speaker 03

  It was just four to one for a while. That was a tough one.

• 1:40:05Andrew Manganelli?

  When Google Find Hub first launched in 2013, what was it called?

• 1:40:09David Imel?

  Oh, Marquez about to get another point.

• 1:40:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Maybe. We'll see.

• 1:40:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Everyone's right in a way. You guys all didn't even think about it.

• 1:40:19David Imel?

  Actually.

• 1:40:19Andrew Manganelli?

  A lot of confidence here.

• 1:40:20David Imel?

  I think I remember it now.

• 1:40:23Speaker 03

  I hope I'm right. This would be embarrassing.

• 1:40:25David Imel?

  Yeah, actually, I think this is correct.

• 1:40:28Speaker 03

  We'll see.

• 1:40:29David Imel?

  We'll see.

• 1:40:30Speaker 03

  By the way, there's a taco truck thread.

• 1:40:32David Imel?

  I saw that.

• 1:40:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Did you see the Taco Bell ice cream taco?

• 1:40:36David Imel?

  I did.

• 1:40:37Andrew Manganelli?

  The churro, like a Choco Taco. They're doing. I know. I'm so excited. Choco Taco is the best packaged ice cream treat possible.

• 1:40:46Speaker 03

  I was gonna cut this and now I can't.

• 1:40:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I know. And they're, they're doing, uh, yeah, they're doing a ice cream taco.

• 1:40:53David Imel?

  That's a big claim. The best packaged ice.

• 1:40:56Speaker 03

  I think it's true.

• 1:40:57David Imel?

  It's really, really good.

• 1:40:58Speaker 03

  Chocolate chip cookie.

• 1:40:59David Imel?

  Ice cream sandwich?

• 1:41:01Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:41:01David Imel?

  There's a lot of.

• 1:41:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Ice cream sandwiches are good, but they're not. Klondike bars are good, but such a mess.

• 1:41:06David Imel?

  The chewiness of the shell of the Choco Taco is unmatched.

• 1:41:08Speaker 06

  It's so, peanuts on ice cream is so slept on. Okay. That's like a, like one, it's like better than PB and J combo wise.

• 1:41:15Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know about. My issue with Klondike bars is the last quarter is like the two pieces of chocolate are slipping on the ice cream. And you're like, ah, ah.

• 1:41:22Speaker 06

  I hate all the, the challenges I have to do just to get one.

• 1:41:26Andrew Manganelli?

  A Klondike bar?

• 1:41:27David Imel?

  What'd you do?

• 1:41:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:27Speaker 06

  Oh, sorry. Whatever.

• 1:41:28David Imel?

  No, that was funny.

• 1:41:29Andrew Manganelli?

  That was good. That was good. All right, flip them and read. What do we got?

• 1:41:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, who wants to go first?

• 1:41:35David Imel?

  I wrote, "Find my Android."

• 1:41:39David Imel?

  Just so close.

• 1:41:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I just wrote find.

• 1:41:41David Imel?

  Find? Google find.

• 1:41:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Wrong.

• 1:41:43David Imel?

  I wrote, "Find my, find my device."

• 1:41:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Find my device.

• 1:41:47David Imel?

  What?

• 1:41:47Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:41:48Andrew Manganelli?

  And I wasn't gonna give you the point, Marquez, until I saw that David had the correct actual answer.

• 1:41:54Speaker 03

  David, why?

• 1:41:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Sorry.

• 1:41:58David Imel?

  Sorry.

• 1:41:59Speaker 03

  Okay, well.

• 1:42:00David Imel?

  It is very, I will give you, Marquez. Google did call everything blank Android before they eventually just moved over.

• 1:42:08Speaker 03

  Was it at some point called find my Android after that?

• 1:42:10David Imel?

  I don't, I got it.

• 1:42:12Speaker 06

  It actually used to be called Google Keep.

• 1:42:15Speaker 03

  That actually.

• 1:42:15David Imel?

  And Google Drive was the car Android auto? Okay. Anyway. Cool. So I have six?

• 1:42:22Speaker 03

  Whatever.

• 1:42:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't even care about trivia.

• 1:42:26Speaker 03

  Shout out to your points, whatever.

• 1:42:28David Imel?

  Whatever. I didn't even care.

• 1:42:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Thanks for watching. Thank you for listening. Let's, let's embrace tech temper together.

• 1:42:34David Imel?

  Next week.

• 1:42:35Andrew Manganelli?

  And then techtober. And then, and then techember. We're ready for this wild ride with you all.

• 1:42:41David Imel?

  Yeah, it's gonna be fun.

• 1:42:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Keep inflating our views. Thank you.

• 1:42:44David Imel?

  iPhone fold video is gonna do two billion views.

• 1:42:47Speaker 03

  See you from Apple Park.

• 1:42:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:50Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:42:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Peace.

• 1:42:50David Imel?

  Bye.

• 1:42:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Waveform is produced by Adam Alina and Ellis River and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Intro to your music was created by Vane Still.

• 1:43:08David Imel?

  I'm sorry to my mom for playing so much Weird Al when I was in middle school.

• 1:43:12Speaker 03

  I listened to a lot of Weird Al.

• 1:43:14Andrew Manganelli?

  White and Nerdy was so good.

• 1:43:15David Imel?

  I listened to Chameleon Air personally.

• 1:43:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Chameleon Terry May.

• 1:43:19Speaker 01

  Everyone's got a hard question about AI. Your job, your kids, where it's going. Anthropic was built to surface those questions and share what it finds along the way, because there's hope in hard questions. Ask yours at claud.ai/spotify and keep thinking. That's claud.ai/spotify.

• 1:43:44Speaker 07

  Your heart can tell you a lot about your health. Apple Watch Series 12 measures your heart rate every five seconds with the most accurate heart rate sensing in wearable. So your vitals app, now with heart rate variability, can tell you when something is off. And your readiness score can let you know when to rest and when to push. Hear the story in every heartbeat with Apple Watch Series 12. The features described are for wellness purposes only and not for medical use. iPhone 11 or later required. Based on Apple conducted study of heart rate accuracy, August 2026. Visit apple.com slash apple watch series 12.