Pod Insights Wolf & Owl with Romesh Ranganathan and Tom Davis Timothée Chalamet, Ewoks and How To Interview About this episode What pictures did Tom send to Timothée Chalamet? How can Romesh improve his interview technique? And why does Tom dislike Ewoks?
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Chapters
00:00 - Intro00:55 - Rick and Morty and TV intros03:30 - Ewoks04:03 - Kids films?07:06 - The issue08:09 - Texting Timothee Chalamet20:30 - Jill Scott and Jill Scott28:01 - Compliments28:29 - Interviewing techniques29:20 - Justin Timberlake 45:56 - Giggling fits47:02 - Rhubarb49:16 - Martin the dog
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0:00 Speaker 00 Welcome to the Wolf for Now.
0:02 Speaker 01 The Wolf for Now, the Wolf for Now.
0:04 Speaker 00 No, the thing is, we keep doing this, we've already got a theme tune.
0:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
0:07 Speaker 00 Then we keep doing a theme tune on top of a theme tune, it's a hat on a hat.
0:10 Speaker 01 And by the way, the theme tune is epic.
0:11 Speaker 00 It is epic.
0:12 Speaker 01 I sometimes listen to that when I'm just lying in the bath.
0:14 Speaker 00 No, you don't.
0:15 Speaker 01 I do.
0:31 Speaker 01 Just quickly, like, when it comes to, like, the modern way of watching television, streamers, right?
0:36 Speaker 00 What's the modern way?
0:36 Speaker 01 Streaming, right?
0:39 Speaker 00 Christ. Why are you saying it like you're ahead of the curve?
0:43 Speaker 01 No, but I'm just saying.
0:44 Speaker 00 Just talking about a little thing you might not know, guys.
0:46 Speaker 01 But a little thing called Netflix.
0:49 Speaker 00 Streaming.
0:50 Speaker 01 I'm talking about Netflix, babe.
0:52 Speaker 00 There's all the people that are still using Blockbuster.
0:54 Speaker 01 No, but do you skip through, because you know you can skip titles now?
0:57 Speaker 00 Yeah.
0:58 Speaker 01 Do you skip through the titles?
0:59 Speaker 00 Not on Rick and Morty, I don't, everything else I do.
1:01 Speaker 01 Thank you for bringing Rick and Morty up.
1:03 Speaker 00 Well, I was delighted.
1:05 Speaker 01 To hit me grunt on there.
1:08 Speaker 01 I had a little, yeah, a little.
1:08 Speaker 00 You had a thing, like, my favourite show.
1:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, you're very sweet, by the way.
1:12 Speaker 00 One of my favourite shows.
1:13 Speaker 01 You're one of the only people who actually messaged me about it.
1:15 Speaker 00 Because I love Rick and Morty, and then the new season dropped on Netflix.
1:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:18 Speaker 00 I got very excited, I watched it all in about a day. And then, I think it's like episode 10 or something?
1:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:25 Speaker 00 You, uh, you play Jealous X.
1:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:28 Speaker 00 Really good.
1:28 Speaker 01 Thank you very much.
1:29 Speaker 00 I thought you were great, I was jealous.
1:30 Speaker 01 Wow, thank you.
1:31 Speaker 00 That's the biggest compliment I can pay, is that I was really jealous of you, and I don't get jealous.
1:35 Speaker 01 Oh, you're right, you're, you're in.
1:36 Speaker 00 I'm fucking smashing it.
1:37 Speaker 01 You are smashing it, West End superstar.
1:41 Speaker 01 Olivier nominated.
1:43 Speaker 00 So difficult, some people say, you know, do you feel envy? They don't even remember it.
1:50 Speaker 01 But do you have a thing where you're watching, do you, do you have any, like, if you're watching one of your favourite shows? Obviously, Rick and Morty.
1:55 Speaker 00 Well, and then somebody you know comes into it.
1:57 Speaker 01 No, no, but when you skip, do you skip through, or do you watch, like, theme tune from Friends? Do you skip through it or do you watch it?
2:01 Speaker 00 Yeah, I'll skip through that.
2:02 Speaker 01 Really?
2:03 Speaker 00 What would you do?
2:04 Speaker 01 I'll watch it all.
2:04 Speaker 00 Get the family round.
2:07 Speaker 01 I'll be, you know, I, I, yeah. I think that's, it's, it's a positive thing to have like.
2:11 Speaker 00 Well, the one thing I do think.
2:12 Speaker 01 The A team.
2:14 Speaker 00 What streamer's got the A team?
2:15 Speaker 01 Oh, I sometimes watch old DVDs of it.
2:17 Speaker 00 Oh, right, okay.
2:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:18 Speaker 00 Modern.
2:21 Speaker 01 Mask.
2:22 Speaker 00 Mask, yeah.
2:23 Speaker 01 Great thing, Jim.
2:24 Speaker 00 Mask Crusader.
2:26 Speaker 01 Fighting out of time, fighting crime.
2:29 Speaker 00 Uh, what, what's in it? What's the verse bit of that?
2:32 Speaker 01 Um.
2:32 Speaker 00 Shrek is gonna lead the mission. Na na na na supervision.
2:39 Speaker 01 Ma ma ma mask.
2:40 Speaker 00 Superstition, is it?
2:41 Speaker 01 Superstition, yeah.
2:42 Speaker 00 What? Superstition. Crusader. Is it supervision?
2:45 Speaker 01 Superst- no, superstition, right? Cause it was that, you had a bald guy in it who was really superstitious.
2:50 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah, that's right. And they had to sort of, the whole series was about trying to get him to walk under a ladder.
2:57 Speaker 00 I forgot, yeah.
2:59 Speaker 01 I don't know if we've talked about that. I always think that if you were in that, you'd have been T-Bob.
3:02 Speaker 00 Fucking hell, he broke a mirror.
3:03 Speaker 01 You'd be T-Bob.
3:05 Speaker 00 I hate T-Bob. I hate all those characters in that thing. T-Bob, Snarf, go fuck yourself.
3:11 Speaker 01 That, that is, I always think when you're coming in.
3:16 Speaker 00 Fuck off.
3:18 Speaker 01 You're doing the voice for a character in a cartoon. That's like, you're going, oh, you know, would I be Mumra? Who's that? Who's that in The Turtles? The Turtles haven't really got someone like that, have they?
3:26 Speaker 00 No, they haven't actually.
3:27 Speaker 01 No.
3:28 Speaker 00 They've not got a cutesy, uh, uh, uh, it's sort of like the equivalent of the, it's the Ewok.
3:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:33 Speaker 00 The Ewok of the piece.
3:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:35 Speaker 00 Although I do like Ewoks, actually. That's, I, that was really, I don't know, Ewoks. What?
3:39 Speaker 01 I can't stand Ewoks.
3:41 Speaker 00 Did you not watch the spin off films, Battle for End or Caravan of Courage?
3:44 Speaker 01 I've watched the main ones and I thought they were great. I'm like, all right, it's getting a bit thirsty now. Right.
3:49 Speaker 00 How's it getting thirsty? Because kids, listen, kids like it. This is what people forget. Star Wars is a kids film.
3:55 Speaker 01 Mate, it's a great, look, I, I do know what.
3:57 Speaker 00 And then people go, it's not a kids film. We go, no, you were a kid when you watched it. You've just grown up, silly old bastard.
4:02 Speaker 01 By the way, can I say a kids film that isn't really a kids film, is a lot sexier than I remember, is I watched Big the other week.
4:07 Speaker 00 What's sexy about that?
4:08 Speaker 01 Uh, there's loads of sexy stuff in Big. It's a lot sex- more sexualized than I remember.
4:11 Speaker 00 Here's a question for you. Is the woman he gets with a nonce or not?
4:14 Speaker 01 Well, no, she's got paedophile tendencies, yeah.
4:16 Speaker 00 More than tendencies?
4:17 Speaker 01 Yeah. Well, no, but she doesn't know he's a kid, but she's attracted to children.
4:20 Speaker 00 Yeah.
4:21 Speaker 01 Like, she's with.
4:22 Speaker 00 It's a horrible thing to find out about yourself, isn't it? What I'd love is a sequel to Big is just her, what will happen to her psychologically.
4:28 Speaker 01 At the end of that movie, when she's watching him and he's a kid, I actually had a lump in my throat. I found that very. Quite sad, like it's quite sad and she's sort of like, you know, he runs off down the street. And then she just watched him go and then he's a little boy again.
4:40 Speaker 00 Did they say something like, look me up in twenty years or something?
4:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, something like, yeah.
4:43 Speaker 00 I don't think they say, dusty old bitch.
4:47 Speaker 01 I mean, can you imagine, can you imagine? Can you imagine like, the kid from Big, like when he goes back to school and has, tells everyone, like, what he's been up to?
4:58 Speaker 00 Yeah.
4:58 Speaker 01 Everyone's like, what the fuck?
4:59 Speaker 00 Like, they smell incredible. And then she got naked.
5:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:03 Speaker 00 Grab the boobies.
5:05 Speaker 01 What? What?
5:07 Speaker 00 What a terrible start to this.
5:08 Speaker 01 Yeah. Oh my god. What did you do on summer break?
5:11 Speaker 00 Did you learn that thing they do?
5:13 Speaker 01 No, no. That, that, you know, can I say, by the way, that's the sort of thing that people do as party trick. You know, like when people have a party trick and, oh yeah, I remember the thing from Big and they do the handshake or something, oh, I remember that as well. And they both just. I'm never any good at that kind of thing. I haven't got that.
5:27 Speaker 00 Okay, well, there, there we've uncovered the reality of it. It's initially, you sort of pitched it like you thought those people were pricks and now it turns out you can't do it.
5:34 Speaker 01 No, I'm jealous.
5:35 Speaker 00 Maybe you could do, yeah, you're jealous.
5:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:36 Speaker 00 If you could do it, you'd love to do it.
5:38 Speaker 01 Do you ever think about films like that where like, what happened after the film? Like.
5:43 Speaker 00 Yeah, sometimes they tackle that, don't they?
5:45 Speaker 01 I love, those are my favourite films.
5:47 Speaker 00 Ahead of the curve, sequels.
5:48 Speaker 01 No, no, no, but even when they go, like, you know, you watch a film and at the end they'll just show like a picture of the character and they go like, you know, Merv Tomlinson ended up buying a shop in downtown Louisiana or whatever.
6:00 Speaker 00 I've never really understood that for fictional movies.
6:02 Speaker 01 No, but I.
6:03 Speaker 00 Cause you sort of think like, what you're doing is you're telling the story.
6:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
6:07 Speaker 00 But the film is the opportunity to be a story, isn't it?
6:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, but like.
6:10 Speaker 00 Like, that's the storytelling medium you've chosen. Why don't you just do the whole thing in a scroll? If, if, if you're gonna do that bit.
6:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, but then whatever happened after the Goonies and you know, Sloth moves in with, um, Chunk and his family.
6:21 Speaker 00 Hmm.
6:21 Speaker 01 How did that work out?
6:23 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's not bad. Do you know what that would have been good? Sitcom.
6:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
6:27 Speaker 00 That would have been a great sitcom.
6:28 Speaker 01 Also, Chunk.
6:29 Speaker 00 Sloth and Chunk, Sloth and Chunk.
6:32 Speaker 01 There was a dark.
6:33 Speaker 00 Got themselves in a bit of a funk.
6:36 Speaker 01 I think he should have.
6:36 Speaker 00 Yeah, you don't want that when it discovers sort of sexual desire. In your house, do you?
6:43 Speaker 01 I think they'll be fine sharing a room together.
6:45 Speaker 00 Yeah, just giving him this crash test dummy to fuck.
6:48 Speaker 01 Can't really go, someone with such a short temper and sloth and someone as annoying as Chunk sharing a bedroom. It's like literally.
6:57 Speaker 01 Got like a Netflix spin off documentary.
6:59 Speaker 00 This got so dark. Anyway, how are you?
7:00 Speaker 01 I'm very well, good, good.
7:02 Speaker 00 Great to be back here.
7:03 Speaker 01 Back, back in the, yeah, back in the studio, very excited to be back.
7:06 Speaker 00 There is an issue.
7:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:08 Speaker 00 Are you aware of the issue?
7:09 Speaker 01 Uh, have I bogged you in my nose?
7:11 Speaker 00 No.
7:11 Speaker 01 Okay.
7:12 Speaker 00 I would have told you before now.
7:13 Speaker 01 Okay, okay.
7:14 Speaker 00 Um, it's the Wolf and Owl podcast.
7:17 Speaker 01 Yep.
7:19 Speaker 00 Owl.
7:20 Speaker 01 Uh, yes.
7:21 Speaker 00 Wolf.
7:22 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
7:23 Speaker 00 And if you look at it, if you look at us now, it's Owl and Wolf. It's the Owl and Wolf podcast.
7:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, yeah, and that doesn't work at all.
7:30 Speaker 00 No. But what I'm suggesting is we swap.
7:32 Speaker 01 I come and sit over there.
7:34 Speaker 00 No, the other way of swapping.
7:38 Speaker 01 I'm happy to, yeah, I mean.
7:40 Speaker 00 Yeah.
7:40 Speaker 01 I've, I've sort of equipped myself on this seat a little bit.
7:44 Speaker 00 What does that mean?
7:44 Speaker 01 Well, my buttocks have been engaged with the, the seat and the lineage of the seat. So I just sort of like, I feel at home here.
7:52 Speaker 00 Well, you can bring the chair around here.
7:54 Speaker 01 There's a lot to bring the chair. I'll just jump into your chair. See how you get on. It's quite warm. That's all I'm saying.
7:58 Speaker 00 Have you been burying farts in that cushion?
8:00 Speaker 01 No, I've buried a fart in this cushion. Right, am I taking this wolf with me, by the way, really?
8:05 Speaker 00 Yeah, I think so, yeah.
8:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, okay, okay.
8:09 Speaker 00 Okay, um, so how have you been?
8:12 Speaker 01 Good, good.
8:12 Speaker 00 We're all sorted now. We're in the right place. Look, Wolf and Owl.
8:15 Speaker 01 Everyone can be relaxed.
8:15 Speaker 00 I think there'll be some people that have found this unwatchable up until this point.
8:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, and now.
8:20 Speaker 00 And there are some people, as we know, find it unwatchable.
8:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:23 Speaker 00 And that's the end of the sentence.
8:24 Speaker 01 I think it's incredible. People are watching this.
8:26 Speaker 00 Yeah, well, we don't know that, though.
8:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:28 Speaker 00 Let's not start tempting fate. So how are you?
8:30 Speaker 01 I'm good, I'm good. I've, I've had a.
8:34 Speaker 01 Um, I realise I might have over egged um my friend, uh my friendship.
8:39 Speaker 00 Timothy Chalamet?
8:40 Speaker 01 Yep.
8:40 Speaker 00 Would be my guess.
8:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:42 Speaker 00 So what happened?
8:43 Speaker 01 Well.
8:43 Speaker 00 So you're, what, what, when you, so you did Wonka with him?
8:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:46 Speaker 00 What was the state of play with you and Timothy Chalamet? Cause obviously we all know, everybody's watched Underdog.
8:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:53 Speaker 00 Um, so we know.
8:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, look, to be fair.
8:55 Speaker 00 His trailer.
8:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, but there was.
8:57 Speaker 00 How was it left at the end?
8:58 Speaker 01 There was a nice friendship. Uh, we hung out at the premiere, um, we, we, yeah, we've been in contact.
9:04 Speaker 00 Yeah. Who's instigating contact mostly?
9:06 Speaker 01 I'd say ninety nine point five percent me of, I've, well, a hundred percent I've instigated a lot of the chat, but.
9:13 Speaker 00 So what sort of things will you say to him? Just give me an example of the sort of thing you might say. I mean, I find it, I find it incredible that you've got Timothy Chalamet's phone number. Or is it the one where he's giving you the email and it's just on iMessage?
9:24 Speaker 01 No, no, no, it's his number.
9:27 Speaker 00 Do you ever send a voice note?
9:28 Speaker 01 No.
9:29 Speaker 00 That'd be so sad.
9:29 Speaker 01 Although he did take this picture of me when we were filming Wonka.
9:33 Speaker 00 That's awful. That is such a depressing picture of you.
9:38 Speaker 01 So he said, um, great hanging, bro. Can't wait to hang on normal hours. Stay safe, stay bold. Great working together.
9:46 Speaker 00 It's nice.
9:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:47 Speaker 00 What did you say?
9:48 Speaker 01 Uh.
9:49 Speaker 00 I don't, I don't, I wasn't really after what he sent you. What sort of stuff have you sent him?
9:53 Speaker 01 This looks going straight on the gram, my G.
9:59 Speaker 01 I mean, to be fair, actually, uh, my G, big Tom, put Tom Day here checking in.
10:05 Speaker 00 Oh, fucking hell, Tom.
10:07 Speaker 01 Hope, hope life is treating you well. Uh, my man, good here. Can't wait for Wonka. Seen some stuff. It looks awesome. Hope you're good, brother.
10:15 Speaker 00 So this is all before the film's come out?
10:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. Um, then a couple of Merry Christmases. Um.
10:22 Speaker 00 What was the Merry Christmas text?
10:24 Speaker 01 I said, very Merry Christmas to you and yours, bro. And he said, same to you, Tom.
10:28 Speaker 00 Same to you, Tom? Did he say same to you, Tom, in the response to that?
10:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:32 Speaker 00 Oh, God.
10:32 Speaker 01 And then.
10:33 Speaker 00 That's the message. That is him training you to be appropriate.
10:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:38 Speaker 00 Anyway, go on.
10:39 Speaker 01 Then I was, for some reason, sent, yeah, some pictures, some MMA fighters, um.
10:43 Speaker 00 What? Why?
10:46 Speaker 01 But.
10:47 Speaker 00 Why did you send that?
10:49 Speaker 01 Cause we, we used to watch MMA together.
10:50 Speaker 00 What did you send with that picture?
10:52 Speaker 01 Nothing. Just fly safe for me, guy.
10:56 Speaker 01 Then we've got, um, quite a lot of this, oh, that tra- the new trailer looks amazing. Hope you're well.
11:03 Speaker 00 Are there any conversations he's instigated?
11:06 Speaker 01 No, no. Um, then I've said, June two looks banging, bro.
11:11 Speaker 00 Oh my God, please tell me you didn't say that.
11:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, there it's there, look.
11:17 Speaker 00 Fucking hell.
11:21 Speaker 01 And I got nothing back from that.
11:22 Speaker 00 No.
11:23 Speaker 01 So then I say.
11:23 Speaker 00 Why would you?
11:25 Speaker 01 Yo, bro, um, just watched Complete Unknown trailer, blown my mind.
11:31 Speaker 01 Hope life is good.
11:32 Speaker 00 What was the response to that?
11:33 Speaker 01 Nothing.
11:38 Speaker 01 That was in November, 20th of November, I sat on it now and then I've gone, very merry Christmas to you and your family. Have a blinder. Nothing.
11:48 Speaker 00 Nothing.
11:49 Speaker 01 But then I said.
11:50 Speaker 00 Do you think the June two text was a mistake? Cause it sounds like you had, you're having interaction before.
11:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, no, no, no. Then I've gone, my word, Marty Supreme is a work of genius.
11:59 Speaker 00 Okay, good.
11:59 Speaker 01 You fucking smashed it. Uh, congrats on.
12:02 Speaker 00 Very much in keeping with the anus cleaning service.
12:05 Speaker 01 No, no, I've gone and then he's gone in capital letters, thank you, Tom.
12:08 Speaker 00 Okay, that's nice. You're back in the game. You're back in the game.
12:11 Speaker 01 And then I should, I said, I should say that you're searching for greatness, Pete, struck a chord with me. I was very inspired.
12:20 Speaker 01 And that was the last
12:23 Speaker 01 conversation we had.
12:28 Speaker 01 You know what you're like?
12:29 Speaker 00 Can I make a suggestion as a mate?
12:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:31 Speaker 00 I don't think you should text him again.
12:32 Speaker 01 No, no, I don't think, yeah. The trouble is, you know what? We, we had this really lovely.
12:37 Speaker 00 Yeah.
12:37 Speaker 01 Time, but I'm doing all the instigating. It's like, it's like, you know, when you go on holiday with people? And you hang out and you go, fucking hell, this is great. And you don't need to see those people together. You just go, oh, we had fucking.
12:48 Speaker 00 That, that, that's the problem is you. You had a nice experience with Timothy Chalamet.
12:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:53 Speaker 00 He seems like a nice guy.
12:54 Speaker 01 Great guy.
12:55 Speaker 00 You've hung out with him.
12:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:57 Speaker 00 Enjoyed each other's company.
12:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:58 Speaker 00 There is nothing wrong with that being temporary.
13:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:01 Speaker 00 And you've got each other's numbers and should you ever need each other, you can get in touch.
13:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:06 Speaker 00 And you know, he might be on a film where they go, oh, we need.
13:09 Speaker 01 A big, yeah.
13:10 Speaker 00 You know, big. Super generational talent, character actor.
13:15 Speaker 01 Or just a big doofus, yeah.
13:16 Speaker 00 And then he'll, he'll, he's got a direct line to you.
13:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:19 Speaker 00 But, but you don't have to be mates. I mean, he's not gonna meet up with you, is he?
13:22 Speaker 01 No.
13:23 Speaker 00 Well, he might do. If, if he was like, if.
13:25 Speaker 01 If I was, if.
13:25 Speaker 00 If he came to London, maybe.
13:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, or if, yeah, or if he's.
13:29 Speaker 00 If he was here for six, eight months.
13:31 Speaker 01 In London for the whole of the promotion for my super.
13:35 Speaker 00 But, but when that, but in fairness, in your defence.
13:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, I know how busy he was.
13:38 Speaker 00 It's very hectic.
13:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, but then I'd look at it and think, maybe if we were like both in like, I don't know, if he was filming in Prague and I was in Prague as well.
13:45 Speaker 00 Yeah, well, what happens is, is um, you both have to be away from home, don't you, in order to meet up?
13:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:51 Speaker 00 That's, that's, that seems to be, so you'll, you'll be quite close to people.
13:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:55 Speaker 00 And you go, we should meet up. You never do it. And then you happen to both be in Barcelona and you go, we should definitely meet up. And then you do meet up.
14:00 Speaker 01 So if he's in Barcelona, I just happen to be there as well.
14:05 Speaker 00 I, I just think it's, I just think it's better for you to not instigate any more text conversations.
14:09 Speaker 01 I think.
14:10 Speaker 00 Let it come from him.
14:11 Speaker 01 Do you think I'd, I'd, if, but if I was work, yeah, but if I was working in Barcelona, I'd text him and said, or I just went, hey, just seen you're filming in Barcelona.
14:18 Speaker 00 No.
14:19 Speaker 01 Uh, hey, man.
14:20 Speaker 00 No.
14:21 Speaker 01 Okay.
14:22 Speaker 00 I don't think you should text him again.
14:24 Speaker 01 What if I, uh, uh, but I.
14:26 Speaker 00 Give me a series of scenarios and I'll tell you when you should text him.
14:29 Speaker 01 Uh.
14:29 Speaker 00 You try and design a scenario in which I think is acceptable for you to text him.
14:32 Speaker 01 Okay, he's filming.
14:33 Speaker 00 Based on what's happened there.
14:34 Speaker 01 Barcelona, cause it's a city, right. He's filming in Barcelona.
14:37 Speaker 00 Use Barcelona, cause it's a city, good.
14:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, no, if it's a city, he might film in, it's a great looking city. He's filming in Barcelona.
14:42 Speaker 00 Could be Helsinki.
14:44 Speaker 01 Helsinki's a beautiful city, but for this film, it's gonna be Barcelona.
14:46 Speaker 00 Colombo.
14:47 Speaker 01 Colombo?
14:48 Speaker 00 Yeah.
14:49 Speaker 01 Is that a place?
14:50 Speaker 00 Yes, it's the capital of Sri Lanka.
14:55 Speaker 00 Just, you know, like, you, you, you, your mates' family origins are from there.
15:00 Speaker 01 I don't know, the capital city.
15:01 Speaker 00 Fucking do a Google.
15:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:03 Speaker 00 Well, I know London.
15:04 Speaker 01 About to say, yeah, no, but would you know the capital city of Ireland? I was gonna say.
15:10 Speaker 00 Anyway, go on.
15:11 Speaker 01 So, right, we're in Barcelona, right? Uh, I'm out there to watch, go to the Camp Nou, uh, to watch a football game and I.
15:18 Speaker 00 This is a scenario.
15:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, I'm, as I'm walking along, I'm chatting, so I hear someone go, oh, you know, the new crazy movie's being filmed and Timothy Chalamet's filming out here. And then, so then I was like, oh, fuck, Tim's out here as well. If I was then to text and go, hey, man, just heard you're in Barcelona. Say it ain't so, lol. Um, I'm here watching Barcelona.
15:38 Speaker 00 No, I wouldn't send.
15:40 Speaker 01 Really?
15:40 Speaker 00 Yeah.
15:40 Speaker 01 What would you send?
15:42 Speaker 00 Nothing.
15:43 Speaker 01 Okay, all right, um, I'm in LA or New York, let's say New York.
15:47 Speaker 00 Okay.
15:47 Speaker 01 Right, he's, he lives in New York.
15:49 Speaker 00 Right.
15:49 Speaker 01 I'm out in New York, right? Uh, I'm doing a couple of gigs. Uh, yo, Tim, uh, just landed at NYC, my friend, um, fancy coming down, watching the big man in action? Lol.
16:01 Speaker 00 Why do you get adding lol to everything?
16:02 Speaker 01 No, just cause, cause then it makes it less aggressive or like it makes him, yeah, it feels like.
16:08 Speaker 00 Were you just checking in, watching, see if you've got a text from him there?
16:10 Speaker 01 No, no, it's.
16:10 Speaker 00 Have you texted him while we've been doing this podcast?
16:13 Speaker 01 I was gonna text him this, send him, I go, hey, man, I hope you don't mind me chatting about you a little bit on there. No, I'm not going, um. No, so that's not, cause, cause what if then he does text me and go, hey, hey, buddy, um, heard you were in New York, man, my hometown, and you didn't even say you were here?
16:30 Speaker 00 And then you, and then this is when you have an amazing opportunity to go, yeah, it would have been cool to see you, but I figured, you know, you'd be super busy and I didn't want to intrude. And then he goes, oh, my God, no, next time, definitely hook me, look me up. And then.
16:44 Speaker 01 So you're so much cooler than I am in this sort of situation.
16:46 Speaker 00 Well, it's not cool, but it's just like you've sent without response. You've cleaned his ring.
16:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:53 Speaker 00 S- successively with those texts.
16:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:56 Speaker 00 Your speech is inspiring, bro. What the fuck are you doing?
17:00 Speaker 01 No, I think, I think, I think the way I put it, I think, I.
17:03 Speaker 00 Read it to me again.
17:04 Speaker 01 Can I just say that you've actually been very complimentary and made it sound a lot cooler than I actually fucking. I said, should say that search of greatness speech struck a chord with me, my bro. And then I just realised I did the, that emoticon.
17:22 Speaker 00 You didn't realise?
17:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:25 Speaker 00 Oh my god, you're not even lying. I thought you're doing it for comedy.
17:31 Speaker 01 So I'm like now, I'm.
17:33 Speaker 00 So what do you think that text says?
17:36 Speaker 01 I genuinely did think, by the way, can I just say, I did think it was a kind of cool speech.
17:40 Speaker 00 Fine, so say that. Why do you, why do you have to amplify it? Also, the other thing is, right?
17:49 Speaker 01 Number one.
17:50 Speaker 00 Fist bump, fucking hell, man.
17:53 Speaker 01 I, do you know, but can I say, I hope he found, he thought that was me being silly as well.
17:58 Speaker 00 Definitely.
17:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:59 Speaker 00 Yeah, definitely. It was laced with irony, your text.
18:08 Speaker 01 It's so fucking, you know, the worst. The worst thing I could think of, right, is because we had quite a laugh and we quite enjoyed it, that I, he's a lovely guy. But I just keep thinking, and this is, I do this in a lot of situations in my life, but I do think that he's there with his missus. And I walk into a bar somewhere like Barcelona and she goes, oh my god. You know that guy who was texting you all the time from work, yeah, Tom? Yeah, he's just walked in. Oh my god. Oh no. Is he looking over? I don't think he's seen a shit.
18:46 Speaker 00 I don't think it'd be like that, but it will be if you keep sending those texts.
18:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, okay. I'm gonna, I, I think this is, I, I just have a, like, if I, if I'm impressed by something. I, I can't help but tell people.
18:58 Speaker 00 No, that is true. You're, you're very fulsome with your praise.
19:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, but I.
19:02 Speaker 00 About Tom Davis is if he thinks, if he some, if he thinks something you've done is really good and you're famous, he will text you.
19:09 Speaker 01 No, that's not true. There's a waiter just now, he was so charming to everyone who walked in.
19:14 Speaker 00 Right.
19:14 Speaker 01 Beautiful to see.
19:15 Speaker 00 Yeah.
19:15 Speaker 01 And when I was paying my bill, I said, by the way, uh, can I just say, I, I thought you were absolutely amazing to watch how, how you interact with people. It was a real beautiful thing to watch.
19:25 Speaker 00 It's funny, isn't it? Because uh uh uh it's weird how all these stories are kind of reported because I just had lunch with you. And the waitress was wonderful and you barely fucking made eye contact with her.
19:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, number one, it would have been rude because we were chatting and she did actually butt into the conversation a couple of times.
19:39 Speaker 00 Yeah, to ask what we wanted to eat.
19:41 Speaker 01 No, but she she wasn't but, look, this guy was absolutely beautiful in his way. I'm not, this is what, I'm not hanging it out. She was a good waitress. She was very officious. She did, at no point did she sort of turn around and sort of go, oh wow, this is delicious. Oh, what a nice jacket. Or like this guy, right, this woman came in and she went.
19:58 Speaker 00 I don't, I wouldn't like that.
19:59 Speaker 01 And she, well, this woman came in, she went, I'm meeting my parents here. I'm gonna be half an hour, here half an hour ago, that I can't get hold of them. Um, like, I'm a bit worried. He said, hey, you have a rest. You have a sit down. I'm gonna get you a coffee and they'll be here soon enough.
20:11 Speaker 00 That is quite nice.
20:12 Speaker 01 It was a really nice thought. He put her mind at rest. He said London transport's awful. They could be stuck underground.
20:17 Speaker 00 Yeah, slowest city in the world apparently.
20:19 Speaker 01 Really?
20:20 Speaker 00 For traffic. I find it hard to believe, but they've just been awarded that, Caby told me, just after he finished talking about immigrants.
20:30 Speaker 00 Now, I want to apologize to you.
20:32 Speaker 01 Yep.
20:33 Speaker 00 Because I was giving you shit about Timothy Chalamet and I, um, I was doing, uh, For the Love of Hip Hop.
20:38 Speaker 01 Yep.
20:38 Speaker 00 And we interviewed Jill Scott, the singer.
20:41 Speaker 01 Okay, right.
20:43 Speaker 00 By the way, I didn't really like that face, even if it was a footballer.
20:45 Speaker 01 No, no, no, I was just thinking.
20:46 Speaker 00 But you went like this.
20:47 Speaker 01 No, no, I didn't know she liked hip hop, Jill Scott.
20:49 Speaker 00 I don't think she does, but Jill Scott, the R and B singer.
20:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, okay, cool.
20:52 Speaker 00 Okay. Quite a big deal.
20:54 Speaker 01 Yep.
20:55 Speaker 00 I'm a big fan.
20:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:57 Speaker 00 I'm assuming that's the fir-, I'm sort of guessing that's the first time you were aware that was a Jill Scott.
21:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, I always find it strange when I, there used to be a time, didn't there, with celebrities that you could only have one person by that name?
21:07 Speaker 00 What do you mean?
21:08 Speaker 01 Like, you had to sign up and then you had to change your name if someone else had the same name as you.
21:13 Speaker 00 Oh, are you doing a character? What are you doing now?
21:15 Speaker 01 No, no, I used to be a thing.
21:15 Speaker 00 It's not true.
21:17 Speaker 01 Mate, for actors and actresses, that that's why loads of people change, select, like, famous actors, change their names, because they went in and.
21:23 Speaker 00 Isn't that just to avoid confu-, it's not a law?
21:26 Speaker 01 Mate, it's as good as law.
21:27 Speaker 00 Why?
21:27 Speaker 01 Because people were like, oh, well, we can't have two Jennifer Lawrence's. It would just be confusing. If you went along to watch, like, a film where, oh, Jennifer Lawrence is in this, go, hey, hold up, this isn't the Jennifer Lawrence I was expecting.
21:38 Speaker 00 No, actually, you make a good point. You make a good point.
21:42 Speaker 01 So.
21:42 Speaker 00 Yeah, okay.
21:43 Speaker 01 Right, so Jill Scott.
21:45 Speaker 00 Why are you chuckling to yourself?
21:46 Speaker 01 Because I'm just thinking, no, because I like it when I get shit right.
21:49 Speaker 00 Yeah.
21:49 Speaker 01 So when you say about Jill Scott, I am not as fungus on the pulse with R and B as you are by any means. So you say, I would speak to Jill Scott, I'm like, okay, that the footballer.
21:58 Speaker 00 Yeah, but I hardly think somebody is tuning into the overlap and going, fucking hell, when's she gonna sing Golden?
22:06 Speaker 01 No, but do you know how many times I get comments and messages about Tom Davies, the footballer?
22:11 Speaker 00 What what what kind of comments?
22:13 Speaker 01 Uh, for example, uh, tickets for my Brighton show went up and there was a one of these things that they put up on Facebook for trying to sell tickets for my Brighton show, um.
22:22 Speaker 00 Advert.
22:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:24 Speaker 00 Don't skirt around it.
22:26 Speaker 01 An advert.
22:26 Speaker 00 Yeah.
22:27 Speaker 01 And in one of the, one of the comments on it meant, um.
22:30 Speaker 00 It looked like it's a fucking news story.
22:31 Speaker 01 One of the comments on it read, um, uh, glad he fucked off to Sheffield United, um, or something like that. He couldn't even learn from so and some Everton footballer. It was quite a harsh thing about, and I've been trolled as being Tom Davies a couple of times.
22:45 Speaker 00 Do you think, is that possible that's a bot or something?
22:47 Speaker 01 Maybe.
22:48 Speaker 00 How can it, how can it be somebody that thinks that's Tom?
22:49 Speaker 01 But my point is, me and Tom Davies are very disalike, we're in very different trades, but there's still a confusion.
22:54 Speaker 00 Yeah.
22:55 Speaker 01 So I'm just saying that when you were saying, oh, yeah, yeah, Jill Scott on, I'm like, if I was to listen to that and you were like showing off and you're like, just had Jill Scoff, Scott, Scoff, Jill Scott on the, uh, hip hop podcast, I'd go, I'll never listen to that, throw it completely thrown me if I listen to it. And I was like, oh shit, this is entertaining, brilliant, actually really a fan now, but I was going there.
23:15 Speaker 00 Well, how long into it do you think you'd have discovered that it wasn't Jill Scott, the footballer?
23:19 Speaker 01 Probably, well, I hope I'd know quite, quite quickly.
23:21 Speaker 00 I think you know from the intro.
23:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, I guess.
23:25 Speaker 00 I don't think you'd be disorientated. Sometimes. Fucking hell, she sounds different.
23:28 Speaker 01 Going back to our conversation.
23:29 Speaker 00 Why are you talking about her time working with The Roots?
23:33 Speaker 01 If I fast forward through a little bit of the intro.
23:36 Speaker 00 Getting in touch with, I didn't know you'd knew Kendrick Lamar.
23:41 Speaker 01 So hold up, you got thirsty around, I mean, you get a little bit thirsty around Jill Scott, the footballer at times.
23:46 Speaker 00 Don't start this.
23:47 Speaker 01 You do.
23:48 Speaker 00 How?
23:48 Speaker 01 You're very sweet with her, but there's a thirstyness.
23:50 Speaker 00 I'm being nice.
23:51 Speaker 01 You are, but there's also.
23:52 Speaker 00 I like her.
23:53 Speaker 01 She's lovely.
23:53 Speaker 00 She's a mate.
23:54 Speaker 01 She's a diamond.
23:55 Speaker 00 Yeah.
23:55 Speaker 01 But there's a thirstiness there.
23:56 Speaker 00 What, like what?
23:57 Speaker 01 You're definitely, I'd say out of all the people you're thirsty around, when we do Legging Our Own, that's where I go, uh-uh, someone's, someone's dying for a drink, right?
24:05 Speaker 00 Oh, that's coming from the most, that's coming from fucking Gandhi's flip-flop himself, by the way.
24:11 Speaker 01 I'm thirsty around everyone, that's just my fucking being.
24:13 Speaker 00 Anyway.
24:14 Speaker 01 If I'm not thirsty around you.
24:16 Speaker 00 I mean, you are, you are, li- listen, if anybody has met Tom and he's not thirsty around you.
24:22 Speaker 01 That's a lie.
24:22 Speaker 00 You are scum.
24:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, you're a lie.
24:24 Speaker 00 That's, that only really sort of happens on the nonsense wing.
24:30 Speaker 01 And even then.
24:30 Speaker 00 And even then occasionally, so I've got a bit of charisma. Um, anyway, so before I did the interview, it was a bit like rushed, cause I was, it was in the middle of like, they're trying to pack this pre-recording around a load of other stuff, so they were, the production team were sort of panicking.
24:47 Speaker 01 Under stress.
24:47 Speaker 00 Do you know when you turn up and everyone's quite stressed and that, it sort of transfers to you, I was sort of feeling a bit flustered.
24:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
24:53 Speaker 00 And I'd had a, a message beforehand saying, um, Jill will only, I mean, and by the way, this is reasonable, but the way it comes from the P R is, it sounds pretty stern, but she might know.
25:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:03 Speaker 00 It says like Jill's only doing interviews with people that have listened to the album, right?
25:07 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
25:11 Speaker 02 No worries there. Hello, hello mate, it's Rob here, just tired to see the thing about the album, loved it, listened to it all.
25:21 Speaker 01 You didn't do that, did you?
25:22 Speaker 00 No.
25:22 Speaker 01 Good.
25:23 Speaker 00 I'm not, only because I'm not in direct contact with them. So, anyway, she comes in, but then as soon as somebody says you have to listen to the album, then I'm nervous that she's gonna like, say a lyric, or go, or she might, my paranoia makes me think she's gonna go, and what did you think of Fluteal Flump?
25:38 Speaker 01 What is that?
25:39 Speaker 00 Was that your favourite song? No, but that's what I'm saying. What do you think of Fluteal Flump?
25:42 Speaker 01 That's quite a cool name for a song.
25:43 Speaker 00 Yeah, I do, well, I just, what do you think of Fluteal Flump? And I go, oh yeah, it's like really good. She go, what? I just made it up.
25:49 Speaker 01 Is she American?
25:50 Speaker 00 Yeah.
25:51 Speaker 01 That's not a track, are they?
25:52 Speaker 00 The first thing she said to me was, nice porn stash.
25:57 Speaker 01 What?
25:58 Speaker 00 Nice porn stash.
26:00 Speaker 01 Oh, oh, porn stats, as in your moustache.
26:03 Speaker 00 Yeah.
26:04 Speaker 01 I thought like maybe you'd lent on a couple of old Razzle Mags.
26:08 Speaker 00 Just knocked over some Asian babes.
26:11 Speaker 01 You've got Regis Watch there if you want to have a little leaf through that.
26:14 Speaker 00 Yeah, anyway.
26:15 Speaker 01 Cala Grumble Mags.
26:15 Speaker 00 Um, I say, long story short, that ship is sailed, but I, um, I just was like, I was just being like, um, I just, I just kept talking. I basically kept going, first of all, it's like such an, like, we've got a legend in the building. It's such an honour to be talking to you.
26:29 Speaker 01 But that's also, you're beginning to have a hard time.
26:31 Speaker 00 It didn't stop.
26:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, but like, you, like, can I just say, it's a very different thing going on there. Like, you are interviewing someone you're a big, big fan of. Uh, uh, this is me saying, don't give yourself a hard time. That's someone you, you're, you're, you're a fan of, she's on there, she's promoting something, you're bigging it up. That's your job within it, right? So that is what you're there to do. You're there to make her feel really, really good about herself, like, you know, boost sales. And you're a fan and you've listened to it. I'm sure you liked it.
26:58 Speaker 00 I know what you're doing, Tom.
26:59 Speaker 01 No.
26:59 Speaker 00 Okay. People don't realise how you operate, okay?
27:02 Speaker 01 No, no.
27:02 Speaker 00 And this is what, this is what's happened, okay? I've been a prick to you about Shalamar.
27:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:07 Speaker 00 You've gone, people are gonna think he's been a bit harsh to me there. And then I've, I've offered you the opportunity to go back in on me and you've thought, do you know what?
27:14 Speaker 01 No, no, no, no.
27:16 Speaker 00 If I take, if I take the high road here, this makes me, this solidifies me as a nice guy.
27:20 Speaker 01 No, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you, and I will tell you quite clearly, my friend. If I'm gonna die on a hill, it will not be the Jill Scott one. You haven't been muggy enough. Like, when you're a mug, I'll be the first one to dive in two-footed. I'll be in a Jones you straight away. But for me, I think you're giving yourself a bit of a hard time.
27:39 Speaker 00 Okay, thank you.
27:40 Speaker 01 I do think like she, I think that is what you're doing. That's, you're a polisher by nature there.
27:44 Speaker 00 A what?
27:44 Speaker 01 A poli-, you're polishing people's egos. You're there, that's what you're, that show is for.
27:48 Speaker 00 Do you think you clock when you're being polished?
27:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, I find it awful when someone gives you loads of, I'd actually much rather you rinse me like you just did.
27:55 Speaker 00 Hmm.
27:56 Speaker 01 Rather than someone gives you loads and loads of compliments.
27:58 Speaker 00 Like you just did.
28:00 Speaker 01 You but you like a compliment.
28:01 Speaker 00 What you mean?
28:02 Speaker 01 You're like, you you're like, you know, you know, a dog gets stroked too much and then it sort of wheeze on the the floor. That's what you're like when you get a compliment. I see your your tummy comes out, you know, I feel good about myself now.
28:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's nice, it's cute.
28:17 Speaker 00 Anyway, it's it's it's a it's a habit I've got, a bad habit I've got that I'm a bit of a sycophant in interviews. I'd like to get better at it.
28:24 Speaker 01 What in what sense? Be more like cool and who's like Rick Edwards?
28:28 Speaker 00 Is Rick Edwards particularly cool about it?
28:30 Speaker 01 Fucking cool, yeah, Rick Edwards is a cool guy.
28:32 Speaker 00 I mean, I know he's genuinely a cool guy, but is he?
28:33 Speaker 01 When he interviews people, he's cool. Rick Edwards could interview like Barack Obama, any number of really, really cool people. He weirdly feels like he's on the same level as them.
28:42 Speaker 00 Why was Barack Obama like your go to on that?
28:45 Speaker 01 I think he's a pretty fucking cool guy.
28:46 Speaker 00 He's a cool guy, yeah.
28:47 Speaker 01 I think if I'm thinking about cool guys who are also like high status and powerful.
28:51 Speaker 00 Who's your second favourite after Trump?
28:55 Speaker 01 President wise?
28:56 Speaker 00 Yeah.
28:57 Speaker 01 Uh. Yeah, probably.
29:00 Speaker 00 Oh, no, sorry. Um, okay.
29:02 Speaker 01 I like Joe Biden.
29:03 Speaker 00 President wise, number two, Epstein Island visitors. Was he four or five?
29:08 Speaker 01 Try I like, yeah, I like Clinton. I thought Clinton had a vibe. He was very sexy.
29:13 Speaker 00 Yeah.
29:13 Speaker 01 Also, yeah, Clinton was like a sexy dork sort of vibe.
29:16 Speaker 00 Hmm.
29:19 Speaker 00 Anyway, I thought, um, basically, I want a bit of practice at this.
29:25 Speaker 01 What what being cool, like Rick Edwards cool?
29:27 Speaker 00 Yeah, basically, I want to interview.
29:28 Speaker 01 Who would be the coolest person that you could interview who you'd feel like you are so inadequate and so inferior to? Apart from Jill Scott.
29:36 Speaker 00 Just any, well, do you want to be a rapper?
29:39 Speaker 01 No, but you've got to be careful. I don't know.
29:41 Speaker 00 Yeah. Have we got some makeup? Um, no, uh, just make, just be a singer, a singer that I like, all right?
29:47 Speaker 01 No, yeah, but I need to, I can't, you can't go to an act that, yeah, it shows how little regard you got to me as a professional, as an actor. Oh, just be a singer. I've got no like the vibe. I've got like, I need to get into character.
29:58 Speaker 00 This is like a two minute fucking bit.
30:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, but I take that seriously. You've asked, you've come to me begging for a favour. You're like, oh, please, I'm so thirsty and inadequate when it comes to interviewing. And I'm like, okay, I'll help you out. I'm gonna, don't worry about fucking taking it too seriously. We'll just rush for, but if you want help, I'm here to help you.
30:15 Speaker 00 Okay, fine, fine, fine.
30:17 Speaker 01 Okay, uh, what about Marc Anthony, who used to go out with, um, Jennifer Lopez?
30:22 Speaker 00 What do you know about Marc Anthony?
30:24 Speaker 01 No, I know.
30:24 Speaker 00 Because I know fuck all.
30:26 Speaker 01 Okay, someone else.
30:28 Speaker 00 Why don't you be Justin Timberlake?
30:30 Speaker 01 Cool guy, okay.
30:33 Speaker 01 Yo, how you doing, doc?
30:38 Speaker 01 What? What?
30:40 Speaker 00 Okay, um, so imagine it's on a, it's on a, it's on a radio show.
30:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's your radio show. Wow, cool, cool room, man. Cool room. Makes me think about some other cool rooms I've been in.
30:53 Speaker 00 Uh, well, I look forward to hearing about that. So, uh, for the love of hip hop here, we are doing a ten minute mixtape with the legendary Justin Timberlake.
31:04 Speaker 01 Okay, easy. I think you're cool as well, huh?
31:07 Speaker 00 Thanks. So, Justin, how are you? You over in London?
31:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, I love London City, bro. London City. It's cool. It's great. I, you know, had some nice fish and chips yesterday. I went for a park run with my cousin Mark.
31:26 Speaker 00 How was the park run?
31:28 Speaker 01 Great, man. Yeah, yeah, I beat Mark. He's not much of a runner, but, uh, you know, he's a hell of a guy. He's a cool guy.
31:33 Speaker 00 So, um, are you a big fan of hip hop?
31:37 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, for sure, dog.
31:39 Speaker 00 What sort of stuff you into?
31:41 Speaker 01 Um, N W A, I like them, two pack, Snoop, Biggie Smalls, I guess.
31:48 Speaker 00 Anyone else? Cause you're a big hip hop fan, aren't you?
31:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, man. Um, some of the newer stuff like, um, yeah, some of the underground stuff you probably wouldn't know.
32:00 Speaker 00 Like what?
32:01 Speaker 01 Uh, the Radical Mile.
32:02 Speaker 00 The who?
32:03 Speaker 01 The Radical Mile.
32:04 Speaker 00 The Radical Mile?
32:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, man. They're really up and coming. They're from Connecticut. So, yeah, you know, I don't wanna show off, but they're cool.
32:11 Speaker 00 Um, and, uh, are you, are you planning on touring anytime soon?
32:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, hopefully soon. Hopefully soon. At the moment, I'm just getting my life back in order. I've been through a lot of different stuff. Uh, I just had a new kitchen installed back home. So, I had to quiet up my time.
32:27 Speaker 00 Oh, cool. You got a new kitchen put in. What sort of stuff do you get?
32:30 Speaker 01 Got one of those big islands that people get when they get a lot of money.
32:33 Speaker 00 Yeah, I mean, imagine, I'm surprised that this is your first time getting an island.
32:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:38 Speaker 00 It's your first time in your life that you've had a kitchen island?
32:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, I didn't have one before, cause uh sometimes when I'm cooking, I like to dance. Um, you know, I'm a dancer, right?
32:47 Speaker 00 How do you mean a dancer?
32:48 Speaker 01 I sing and dance, you know?
32:50 Speaker 00 Yeah, I mean, you're amazing.
32:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, I I used to like to dance around the kitchen, but now I'm a bit older and I've got like three dogs. Yeah, I was tripping over the dogs and but actually I'll just probably dance in the dance studio that I have in my house, so.
33:02 Speaker 00 What's this got to do with the kitchen? So, I'm not, sorry, Justin, I'm not following, so.
33:08 Speaker 00 How did that stop you getting a kitchen island?
33:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, cause I like to dance as I was cooking, so I'd be cooking like some, you know, uh, Mexican food, uh, probably my favorite kind of food.
33:19 Speaker 00 What sort of stuff do you like, Mexican?
33:20 Speaker 01 Fajitas, uh, burritos, and I think we're checking in the red things, if you put it in.
33:26 Speaker 00 Tortillas?
33:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, tortillas. Um, I like the uh spices and stuff.
33:33 Speaker 00 Yeah.
33:33 Speaker 01 Uh, so uh guacamole is quite easy to make. Um, so, yeah, I'd uh, I'd do that.
33:40 Speaker 00 Okay, Justin.
33:41 Speaker 01 Sorry, even though I have, um, this, you know, not to be interrupted on my Apple Watch, someone's calling me, I think it's a guy about my kitchen. So, yeah, but I used to like to dance, I put some music on, I get jivey, you know, uh, and then I realized that actually, you know, it was harder to dance in there than I thought, so I just put an island in. And now I lean on the island, I'll just listen to music.
34:03 Speaker 00 How high is the?
34:05 Speaker 01 Oh, I'm quite short. I'm quite, you know, you know that about me, right?
34:09 Speaker 00 Yeah.
34:09 Speaker 01 I look bigger on TV.
34:10 Speaker 00 It's almost impossible to predict how short's pronounced in the American accent, isn't it?
34:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I play with different ways. That's part of my job as well, cause I'm an actor as well, so.
34:19 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah.
34:20 Speaker 01 So I've just done a big new movie.
34:21 Speaker 00 Yeah, so tell me all about the movie. I'm really, really excited about it, by the way.
34:26 Speaker 01 What's that? What was that?
34:29 Speaker 00 Oh, that's all I was just.
34:31 Speaker 01 That's over familiar. I'm sure when my P R people message you, they said, can you make sure not to touch Justin? He doesn't like it.
34:38 Speaker 00 Um, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't say that. Sorry.
34:40 Speaker 01 Very strange that you were so overly confident.
34:43 Speaker 00 Uh, it wasn't confidence. It was just.
34:45 Speaker 01 It was arrogance is what it is. You hit me on the arm like we'd known each other for ten years.
34:52 Speaker 00 Sorry, I did. It was just because we were getting on with.
34:54 Speaker 01 It's very strange that you.
34:55 Speaker 00 Yeah.
34:56 Speaker 01 Do I do something that enforced you to be so quite so flippant with your hands?
35:01 Speaker 00 Um, no, I don't even think I meant to do. I just went like, you know, it was just.
35:04 Speaker 01 That was intentional, the way you touched me.
35:07 Speaker 00 Well, well.
35:07 Speaker 01 You're touching people intentionally. Own it.
35:11 Speaker 00 Well, I didn't.
35:12 Speaker 01 Don't be weak. Own it.
35:15 Speaker 00 Okay, I touched you.
35:17 Speaker 01 Say what happened there?
35:18 Speaker 00 What?
35:19 Speaker 01 Well, you, you should have, that's the point. You should have said, yeah, I touched you because I thought we were mates.
35:23 Speaker 00 Okay, but first of all, I don't know why I touched you. I never would do that in an interview.
35:27 Speaker 01 I know because you're getting over familiar, you know what it is?
35:29 Speaker 00 Yeah, I know, yeah.
35:29 Speaker 01 Can I just say what it is? I know exactly what it is.
35:31 Speaker 00 What?
35:32 Speaker 01 You became the alpha and you didn't know how to handle it. You out alphaed Ja- Justin Timberlake.
35:39 Speaker 00 I, I mean, I don't, I don't know what that exercise achieved.
35:43 Speaker 01 In what sense?
35:44 Speaker 00 I was actually trying to tee you up to sort of have a go at me.
35:47 Speaker 01 I did in the end.
35:49 Speaker 00 Because I, I had to touch you for that to happen.
35:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:51 Speaker 00 Okay, so, so imagine you're Justin Timberlake.
35:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:55 Speaker 00 But you're really wanting praise.
35:56 Speaker 01 So basically, what I think you need to do is you stop, you need to make sure that you're not, you're not sort of sucking up to them and giving them folkfalls praise.
36:05 Speaker 00 Am I allowed to give any praise?
36:06 Speaker 01 You, no, you can't at all.
36:07 Speaker 00 But nothing positive?
36:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, you've basically got to be a hardball here.
36:11 Speaker 00 Okay.
36:11 Speaker 01 You're, you know, you've got, for you, right? They're lucky to be with you right the other way around. Okay?
36:17 Speaker 00 I'm joined today by Justin Timberlake.
36:20 Speaker 01 Hey, man. How you doing? You good?
36:22 Speaker 00 Yeah, thank you for coming on to the show.
36:23 Speaker 01 Oh, man. Blessing to be here. I'm a big fan of your stuff. Um, I watched your, your skits when I was coming over on the flight.
36:30 Speaker 00 Oh, thanks.
36:31 Speaker 01 And I was like, God, this guy's funny, man.
36:33 Speaker 00 Yeah.
36:33 Speaker 01 You got some funny stuff, bro. You're a funny guy. I was doing this. The guy next to me, I didn't know him. Turned out he was a salesman, um, selling ink pens. Uh, dying business, I know, but.
36:47 Speaker 00 Ink pens?
36:47 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
36:50 Speaker 00 And what's that been, what have ink pens been replaced by?
36:53 Speaker 01 Computers, I guess.
36:54 Speaker 00 Okay, right. This is the way you said ink pen.
36:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how he described it.
36:59 Speaker 00 There's a different liquid that was going.
37:00 Speaker 01 I said, what are you doing in the UK? Firstly, I went, you've seen this guy, he's hilarious. He went, oh, who's this? His name's Romesh Ranganathan.
37:09 Speaker 00 Can we just pause this? What's happening?
37:13 Speaker 01 Sorry.
37:13 Speaker 00 I thought the point of it was.
37:17 Speaker 01 Okay, it's character.
37:18 Speaker 00 Well, this is fucking character.
37:22 Speaker 01 Okay, okay.
37:24 Speaker 00 The whole thing was I was supposed to be calling in the face of somebody that wants praise. Just sitting here silently when he goes to this fucking anecdote about who was sitting next to the plane. I sort of let it go for a bit, then he started talking about the fuck. I'm now listening to you pretending to be Justin Timberlake, talking about the guy who was sitting next to on the plane.
37:44 Speaker 01 Okay.
37:46 Speaker 01 Okay. Right. You need to quit. Yeah, man, it's great to see you. I watched some of your skits over here on the way over on the plane.
37:53 Speaker 00 Thanks.
37:53 Speaker 01 Boy, you're a funny guy.
37:56 Speaker 00 Thank you, thank you.
37:56 Speaker 01 You're sure a funny guy. The skits are funny, man.
37:58 Speaker 00 Thank you. Thanks so much.
38:00 Speaker 01 Well done.
38:00 Speaker 00 Um, how are you finding London?
38:02 Speaker 01 Oh, don't even get me started. This weather is rainy.
38:09 Speaker 01 No, it's wet, but, uh, you know, uh, yeah, some people walk between the raindrops and some people get wet as heck.
38:19 Speaker 00 What's going on?
38:27 Speaker 01 Okay, uh, well, we're not really here to talk about the weather. We're here to talk about my new album, which I'm hoping you heard.
38:33 Speaker 00 Yes, I did. Yes.
38:35 Speaker 01 And you're a big hip hop fan, and this is my first real delve into what I think is my serious hip hop phase.
38:41 Speaker 00 Yeah. What made you move into hip hop?
38:44 Speaker 01 I've always loved it, man. I've always loved it. And that's why when I'm, you know, with a hip hop nerd like you, I really wanna see if they like it. And if it's, you know, how much you've enjoyed it.
38:55 Speaker 00 You've definitely like.
38:58 Speaker 00 Definitely explore the genre.
39:01 Speaker 01 Thank you. And you know, and you know, where would you gauge your enjoyment? Were you toe tapping? Were you dancing or singing along?
39:08 Speaker 00 Yeah, you can't. Well, I wouldn't say I was singing along, uh, only because it's the first time I was listening to it, so.
39:13 Speaker 01 So you only listen to it once?
39:15 Speaker 00 Well, no, I mean, I've listened to it a couple of times, but you don't know the words from.
39:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, but I mean, did the lyrics stay with you? Did you find them everest?
39:22 Speaker 00 Yeah.
39:26 Speaker 00 It's funny, mispronounced that word like a friend of mine.
39:31 Speaker 01 Sorry.
39:32 Speaker 00 But you can't have got it from the same place because he's a real thick.
39:39 Speaker 01 So you weren't, you know, jiving? Did you play it? I, you know, when I was, I hear your son is a big hip hop.
39:45 Speaker 00 He is, yeah, yeah.
39:46 Speaker 01 So, uh, did he enjoy it or was it cool for the kids?
39:50 Speaker 00 He listened to it, yeah.
39:52 Speaker 01 Did he enjoy it? Did he?
39:54 Speaker 00 I, I've not spoken to him about it, but I.
39:56 Speaker 01 What do you mean? You, you play someone a, a track and don't say, hey, what do you think? Bob or Bill or, I don't know what your kids name is.
40:05 Speaker 00 But those are your guesses.
40:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, I, I don't know.
40:10 Speaker 00 Yeah, um.
40:11 Speaker 01 Andrew?
40:12 Speaker 00 I don't know what to, uh, yeah, he, he listened to it, yeah.
40:15 Speaker 01 All right.
40:16 Speaker 00 And he wa- he wasn't negative about it at all.
40:18 Speaker 01 Hey, did you see me when I was in the social network? Did you enjoy that movie?
40:21 Speaker 00 I saw that film, yeah.
40:23 Speaker 01 Did you enjoy it?
40:24 Speaker 00 A lot of people loved that film, didn't they?
40:25 Speaker 01 Did you enjoy it?
40:26 Speaker 00 Huh?
40:26 Speaker 01 I, I was nominated for some pretty big, big awards for that.
40:29 Speaker 00 Yeah.
40:30 Speaker 01 Great film.
40:30 Speaker 00 Yeah, congratulations on that.
40:32 Speaker 01 You know, I, I've done the Super Bowl a record amount of times.
40:36 Speaker 00 Yeah, the, what, would you, I mean, wh- what do you, how do you respond to the theory that, um, Janet Jackson's nip slip led to massive ramifications for her career, but didn't touch you at all?
40:46 Speaker 01 Well, look, that was something I don't want to get into. I don't want to talk about.
40:51 Speaker 00 Systemic racism.
40:52 Speaker 01 Now you're stepping in a place.
40:53 Speaker 00 Things that surround the NFL and American culture in general.
40:56 Speaker 01 Into a place where I don't want to talk. So, um, I've got a new cookery show where I cook stuff.
41:01 Speaker 00 What's it called? Oh, you were talking about, of course, about Justin Timberbakes.
41:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's my new show. I baked. I'm a massive, you, you, and you probably are as well. I'm a big um, uh, Bake Off fan.
41:13 Speaker 00 Yes. Yeah, we love it over here. So you like, you like it in the States?
41:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, we've got a version in the States.
41:19 Speaker 00 Yeah.
41:19 Speaker 01 Uh, Paul Hollywood, uh, who isn't actually from Hollywood, either the Northern Ireland one or the American one, but it's certainly many.
41:26 Speaker 00 Then either the what one?
41:27 Speaker 01 Northern Ireland or the American Hollywood.
41:29 Speaker 00 Yeah.
41:29 Speaker 01 But it is certainly did a lot of good for him out there.
41:32 Speaker 00 Okay.
41:32 Speaker 01 In the U S.
41:33 Speaker 00 Cool.
41:34 Speaker 01 Um, so I watched that. I sat there in my, at first I was watching it with popcorn and, god damn, Justin make a cake. I think I addicted to making cakes. And, you know, now I got Justin Timber bakes.
41:48 Speaker 00 Okay, end scene.
41:52 Speaker 00 You just keep getting too excited about doing the character.
41:56 Speaker 01 I'm in, I'm a character actor, that's what I do. I'm in, completely immersed.
42:00 Speaker 00 All right, all right.
42:00 Speaker 01 It's like, you, you, once I'm in, I'm in.
42:02 Speaker 00 Yeah.
42:03 Speaker 01 By the way, I, I felt like Justin inside of me.
42:06 Speaker 00 What did you think of how I dealt with it?
42:07 Speaker 01 I did actually think you were quite good, but the trouble with you, you need to up call it.
42:12 Speaker 00 What does that mean?
42:12 Speaker 01 I'll, do you want me to show you how I think you should do it?
42:15 Speaker 00 Okay, yeah.
42:15 Speaker 01 Who are you gonna be?
42:16 Speaker 00 Who do you want me to be?
42:17 Speaker 01 Uh, Ricky Martin?
42:20 Speaker 00 Okay.
42:21 Speaker 01 Okay, I'm you.
42:22 Speaker 00 All right.
42:22 Speaker 01 Hello, welcome to Hip Hop Save Your Lot, what?
42:27 Speaker 00 Well, two things. First of all, I don't know why you're doing that voice. Secondly, I don't know why you're calling it a podcast that I stopped doing six years ago.
42:34 Speaker 01 Okay, what's your new show called?
42:35 Speaker 00 For the Love of Hip Hop.
42:36 Speaker 01 For the Love of Hip Hop, all right. Do you want me to, I'll do it in a voice that's called, hi, this is me, Ramesh, Ramesh.
42:43 Speaker 00 Oh, my God.
42:44 Speaker 01 Let me get into, that's why it's hard to do a character that voice. Hi, this is me, Romesh Ranganathan, and this is For the Love of Hip Hop. Today, I'm joined by an actor, a singer, and I guess a dancer, Mr. Ricky Martin.
42:57 Speaker 00 Hey, man, how you doing?
42:59 Speaker 01 Good, Ricky. How are you?
43:01 Speaker 00 Really good, thank you. How are you? I love being in London. It's great.
43:07 Speaker 01 We're not here to talk about London, though, Ricky. We're here to talk about your new album, Hot Sexy Dancer.
43:13 Speaker 00 Yeah.
43:13 Speaker 01 Now, that is a hell of a title.
43:15 Speaker 00 Thank you so much. It came from, um.
43:18 Speaker 01 Well, you being a hot sexy dancer, I'd imagine.
43:26 Speaker 00 How come you're winking at the camera?
43:29 Speaker 01 Oh no, it's something I do, just for the viewers.
43:32 Speaker 00 Now, it's um, a friend of mine was, I played in one of the tracks and he was dancing and I just said, hey man, you're moving like a hot sexy dancer. And then I thought, oh my god, that's a great name for the record.
43:43 Speaker 01 For the whole album, yeah. And, and there's a lot of dancy music on there. I really enjoyed. It's got this hip hop flavour, which you know I find delicious. Um.
43:54 Speaker 00 Thanks, man.
43:55 Speaker 01 Um, now, I can't have you here without asking you, Ricky. Acting wise, you are phenomenal in some of the stuff you've been in. Tell me.
44:05 Speaker 00 What?
44:07 Speaker 00 What the fuck is going on? Right, can we just cut there? First of all, why are you asking about acting stuff on the hip hop show? Secondly, why did you wink at the camera on a radio show? Thirdly, you complimented me about six or seven times.
44:25 Speaker 01 It's very hard not to be complimentary, but someone like me can put this amazing.
44:29 Speaker 00 Why are you telling me not to do it? And then you're going, I'll show you how you should do it?
44:31 Speaker 01 No, I didn't compliment you. I, I swear. I was very, very dismissive.
44:35 Speaker 00 I don't think you were.
44:36 Speaker 01 I was, I was more dismissive.
44:37 Speaker 00 I thought you were pretty encouraging, actually.
44:40 Speaker 01 I, I, I didn't give you any big scale when I came in. I think Ricky Martin, if usually you like, you'd be like, fuck it, that was Ricky Martin! Like, do you know what I mean? So, yeah. What I'm saying is you need to be more measured, I guess.
44:53 Speaker 00 Yeah, but I thought what you did was shit.
44:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm not an interviewer. By the way, did you not think, oh, as I was just in Timberlake, you're like, fuck.
45:00 Speaker 00 I think you could be a good interviewer.
45:02 Speaker 01 I'm not, I'm not an interviewer. If I was interviewing, that would.
45:05 Speaker 00 It's, it's part of the thing, isn't it? Because a lot of the interviews, one of the things, one of the main things, because people think that interviewing is difficult. You actually have to have a basic foundational interest in other people. That's where, that's where you.
45:17 Speaker 01 Also in, in stuff that they're into.
45:19 Speaker 00 Well, you just have to be, you you have to be interested in hearing what someone else has to say.
45:23 Speaker 01 But I would, I'd, I'd be the fool down, cause you, in that Jill Scott thing, they go, you know, I would make sure you've listened to the album. And I'd be like, oh, you know, I've just played FIFA all night last night and listened to the album. And then I'd probably just blag it through.
45:37 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's, yeah, we should do it.
45:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, so.
45:41 Speaker 00 And also you wouldn't be interested, and also you've not heard of Jill Scott.
45:43 Speaker 01 No, I mean, Jill Scott, the football, I'd be great with her if I was interviewing her.
45:46 Speaker 00 Yeah, um, okay, so we've cured my problem, I guess.
45:49 Speaker 01 Do you feel?
45:50 Speaker 00 By which I say making it worse.
45:52 Speaker 01 I think, I think that I can see you going forward and being one of the great interviews of our time.
45:56 Speaker 00 Can, can I just say, I, I, I, I think this studio has changed you a little bit.
45:59 Speaker 01 Why?
46:00 Speaker 00 Because you, you've started doing this thing now where you sort of run off on a train of thought and then send yourself into like a giggling fit.
46:08 Speaker 01 Cause you know what it is?
46:09 Speaker 00 What?
46:09 Speaker 01 I find you really funny.
46:11 Speaker 00 I'm not doing anything.
46:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, but when you don't do anything, I find like the small little things that you say, I find really, really amusing. And your little looks, cause I know that you're gonna come back with something that kicks my ass.
46:23 Speaker 00 I'm not trying to kick your ass.
46:24 Speaker 01 I know, but that's what I like. I like the, the rampous nature of it.
46:27 Speaker 00 Yeah, um.
46:28 Speaker 01 I think I've always done this. I think it's more apparent because you're with me now. And quite a lot of the time in the old days, I was delayed. So it might seem.
46:36 Speaker 00 What would you do if like, you know, we found out like a few months in of doing this, that actually the delay is what really sort of makes us work?
46:43 Speaker 01 I'd probably do this.
46:45 Speaker 00 What do you mean?
46:47 Speaker 00 Oh, okay. It's not that long a delay.
46:49 Speaker 01 Sometimes it was.
46:51 Speaker 00 Not all the time.
46:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, sometimes you, you turn around and go, um, uh.
46:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, I just ate some rhubarb.
46:59 Speaker 00 When have I said that?
47:00 Speaker 01 No, I'm just saying that.
47:01 Speaker 00 I actually don't, I actually don't think I've eaten rhubarb in the last decade.
47:05 Speaker 01 Really?
47:05 Speaker 00 I don't think so.
47:06 Speaker 01 What are you doing?
47:07 Speaker 00 What, I'm eating other stuff?
47:08 Speaker 01 It's delicious.
47:09 Speaker 00 I'm just saying, I'm not eating.
47:10 Speaker 01 Delicious fruits out there.
47:12 Speaker 00 Rhubarb is?
47:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:14 Speaker 00 One of the most delicious fruits?
47:15 Speaker 01 A rhubarb crumble.
47:16 Speaker 00 Better than pineapple?
47:18 Speaker 01 Pineapple's do.
47:19 Speaker 00 Okay, better than mango?
47:21 Speaker 01 Why are you putting poor rhubarb up against two that you know they're champions?
47:23 Speaker 00 It's one of the most.
47:24 Speaker 01 Better than apples, yeah.
47:25 Speaker 00 You said it's one of the most delicious fruits, so I'm putting up some of the other delicious fruits?
47:28 Speaker 01 Those two, but I'd say that rhubarb.
47:30 Speaker 00 Banana.
47:31 Speaker 01 Banana, look, I love banana, but banana's delicious, is delicious as rhubarb.
47:36 Speaker 00 Banana is not as delicious as rhubarb.
47:38 Speaker 01 You get someone who knows what they're doing with rhubarb, you're in for a treat. You haven't had it for a decade.
47:42 Speaker 00 Get someone who knows what to do with a banana, you're in for a treat.
47:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm gonna just say, you haven't had rhubarb for ages, so it's a bit unfair for you to sit here criticizing it. You haven't had it for a decade.
47:51 Speaker 00 Yeah, the reason I've not had it for a decade is because it's.
47:53 Speaker 01 Probably you had it cooked in some insignificant hands, who didn't know what they were doing with it.
47:59 Speaker 00 No, I didn't have it cooked by somebody. I had stewed rhubarb.
48:02 Speaker 01 Mate, enough sugar?
48:03 Speaker 00 I don't know.
48:04 Speaker 01 Sugar, you need it, it upsets the rhubarb.
48:06 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's what they say about all the naturally best tasting things. Oh, do you know what, it's good. Loads of sugar. You put enough sugar on a dog shit, it'll be edible.
48:16 Speaker 00 Rhubarb is not, listen, I've got, I'm not dissing rhubarb.
48:19 Speaker 01 The flavour of rhubarb, I, I wish to, rhubarb and custard in a donut.
48:27 Speaker 01 That is, banana can't, banana wouldn't even wanna go anywhere near that.
48:30 Speaker 00 I would love a banana and custard donut.
48:33 Speaker 01 I, I will tell you now, if there's a donut place out there doing, and they're looking for, what is the biggest seller? Get a rhubarb and custard, banana and custard, put them head to head.
48:43 Speaker 00 Okay.
48:43 Speaker 01 I guarantee everyone will go, because it was, I have the banana one, I don't wanna take a risk. And then you'll literally be there and someone will have the rhubarb one and go, taste that, Trev? Oh, fucking hell, it's amazing.
48:55 Speaker 00 By the way, a massive, so, considering somebody said have a taste, he's taking a massive fucking bite there, Trev.
49:01 Speaker 01 I know, but yeah.
49:01 Speaker 00 I'd be so pissed off. Uh, right, Tom. Uh, actually, [email protected] .
49:08 Speaker 01 Yep.
49:09 Speaker 00 To let me know if I'm being too horrible to rhubarb or if Tom's being too nice to rhubarb.
49:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
49:14 Speaker 00 Or, or neither.
49:15 Speaker 01 Rhubarb gate.
49:15 Speaker 00 Um, okay, that is it for us today, Tom.
49:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:18 Speaker 00 Could you, um, could you please do what the honours have taken us out?
49:23 Speaker 01 Ooh, well, boy. Martin the doglet out of his window.
49:31 Speaker 01 Outside, other dogs were playing. They felt jealous, envious. He turned around to his owners, who were kissing, fornicaing on the sofa. They seemed like they've got it all worked out. Martin, scurrying round, started pouring at the door. They didn't listen. Shh, dog shush. So he ran upstairs and started barking, louder and louder. Until someone let him out. Go on, go out if you need to. Martin ran outside and started running around with the other dogs. Before too long, the other dogs were called in as night came. Martin was left outside. He could see the light on in the bedroom upstairs.
50:15 Speaker 01 But they forgot that he was out there. He sat all night in the pouring rain, just thinking, God, when will they come and let me in? In the morning, Toby, his owner, opened the door and said, oh, God, Martin, I forgot we left you out last night. And they let him in. What's the moral of this story? Well, the grass is always greener and as you look outside or look into other people's lives, you can go, wow, they've got it all worked out. But sometimes what you're doing is closing the door and leaving a very sweet, sweet space yourself. Don't look for answers in other people's worlds when the things you need are in yours.
50:55 Speaker 00 Thank you so much for sharing that selection of disparate, unconnected thoughts. Uh, that's all we've got time for on the Wolf and Owl Podcast. We'll see you next time. Peace out.
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