Manscaping, Country Music & Dinner Invites

What are the Wolf & Owl's top tips for manscaping? On this week’s Wolf & Owl, Tom and Romesh get into the important stuff: feet, showers, skincare and exactly how you're supposed to wash your arse. Tom reveals his emotional story behind getting his first ever pedicure at 46, while Romesh introduces Tom to his new Korean skincare routine. Elsewhere, Tom tells us about his date night as a Luke Combs concert, including an awkward social encounter, before declaring himself a fully-fledged country music fan. Plus, there’s a discussion about dinner parties, biscuit bingeing and another unforgettable Tom Davis story to finish. A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform Media. If you've been thinking about therapy, BetterHelp can help you take the first step. Sign up and get 10% off at https://www. BetterHelp.com/wolfowl Chapters 00:00 Intro 01:25 Toenails and pedicures 15:37 A debate on washing 20:05 Korean skincare 21:36 Beard scaping 23:01 Luke Combs, cowboys and date night 24:47 Tom’s socially awkward situation 32:18 Country Music 39:17 Rom wasn't invited to Tom’s lunch 40:34 Biscuit bingeing 42:30 Tom’s Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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  Oh my gosh.

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  Welcome.

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  It is about that time.

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  Welcome.

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  About that time.

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  Welcome.

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  About that time.

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  Welcome.

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  About that time. Well, for now, baby.

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  Yes.

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  With Tom Davis.

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  Romesh Ranganathan.

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  And we are here. We've actually today, fun thing, we've actually planned everything we're gonna say. Scripted today.

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  All scripted. Well, we're scripted because there's a slight change in the engine room.

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  I didn't wanna really bring this up.

• 0:29Speaker 01

  Um, well, John.

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  Is doing, he's working on OnlyFans stuff, isn't he?

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  Yeah, so John, John's had a big uplift in his social media profile.

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  He is doing, if anybody is interested, look up on OnlyFans, John Footstuff.

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  Also, it's just a lot of him.

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  I would say if you're into toes and spreads.

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  Yeah.

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  You are gonna have a great time.

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  He's got apparently the sexiest verruca in England. And there's a lot of him eating onions and different things, like smelly.

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  There's a thing where he, only using two of the toes on his right foot, he makes a sandwich. And I think people are gonna be really into it.

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  He's got perfectly manicured toenails, by the way.

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  Yeah, pedicured.

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  You had a pedicure the other day, didn't you?

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  Beautiful.

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  Um, tell me about it.

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  Do you know my toenails have grown back quicker though, from it? It's like, I don't know what's happened, but yeah, it was.

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  First of all, I don't think that's true.

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  No, I swear they have. They're like, now, you know, what's the, what's the dinosaur with the, oh, first job?

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  Um, yeah, can you Google, what's the dinosaur with that, please?

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  The toenails, long toenails.

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  The velociraptor.

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  Is it velociraptor?

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  Well, in Jurassic Park, it does that, doesn't it?

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  Yeah, they've come back like that. And I'm now having to, at some point, go and get another. I'm not cutting myself, but I could never cut them myself again.

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  My dad had such horrible, horrible toenails that he never cut. I honestly believe he could have scaled a cliff face. Like, it was, it was horrific.

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  Didn't they not get painful?

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  I don't know, but like, I don't know what, I don't know if it's a generation, I don't know, like, his feet were horrendous, like genuinely.

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  Mine aren't pretty feet.

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  Like, you could hear him, like, it's like hearing heels come across the kitchen floor. His toenails clacking. Yeah, it was so bad. They're horrible.

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  I've got to say, I think a pedicure is like, it's a really enjoyable. Also, I don't know, but you still doing the magnesium butter on your feet?

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  Hmm, occasionally.

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  Yeah, I've been doing it quite a lot. And I don't, it seems to be having like, like, like paint stripper on the soles of my feet.

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  Right.

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  I don't know if I'm putting on too much. I've got a cheaper brand of magnesium butter.

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  Yeah.

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  But I'm getting a lot of excess skin. I'm just having to sort of scrape off.

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  Um, have you, have you ever tried sanding your feet?

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  That's what I mean, that's what you get done at a pedicure.

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  Yeah, so you influenced me.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Did you have one?

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  So I booked in to get a pedicure done. And then, um, we were getting something delivered and Lisa had to go out and we had to take the delivery. And Lisa, it was not anyone's fault.

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  Yeah.

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  He says, as if he believes it's Lisa's fault. Lisa sprung it on me a little bit, although she told me that she told me the day before.

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  Yeah.

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  That she was gonna be out. So I then, we had a four hour window for this thing to arrive. And I thought it could happen while I'm out. So I phoned up the place and I said, I've got to cancel my pedicure. They're so nice. I'm, oh, bless you. What's happened?

• 3:32Speaker 01

  Really?

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  Yeah.

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  That is sweet.

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  I know, really sweet. I said, I've had a bit of an emergency. Um, so I'm gonna, so I've rescheduled. I'm going in two weeks' time. Anyway, Tom, you will not believe it, as bloody my luck, put the phone down, they sent me a specified time, I could have gone.

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  Oh, you, why couldn't you call them straight back?

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  It was like fifteen minutes later. And by then, I should have been on my way by then, do you know what I mean?

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  Yeah, but no, but they'd have worked around you.

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  I don't wanna make, I don't wanna make people.

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  Some of the most, honest, most understanding people in the business.

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  You've had one pedicure.

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  Yeah.

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  And you were able to, this is, can I tell you something?

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  I didn't even book. I walked into the pedicure and said, I haven't booked.

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  Right.

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  And they went, don't worry, we've got our best person on it today.

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  I think if you can walk in and they say their best person is free, you take your little trotters and you walk out again. That for me is a red flag.

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  You're, I'm gonna say at the end of it.

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  You've got this thing where you think if people are available, that's a good sign.

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  No, of course it is a good, no, I went in and, look, there's this part of me that does agree with you. There's also a part, when this lady started going to work, I was like, boy, gosh, she knows what she's doing.

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  Well, you've never had a pedicure before.

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  No.

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  So you don't know.

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  And if I'm honest with you, my toenails have grown back in quite an unsightly way. And there's been a lot of dead skin on my, you know, like the surf of the sea where it leads that sort of scaly sort of stuff? That's what my feet have become like.

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  I mean, if you wanna see what this looks like, head over to John's OnlyFans. Um.

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  So what did they do? Because when I said to Lisa, I've booked a pedicure, and she said, why? She didn't say why in that way. She said it in like, oh, well, how come?

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  I said, because Tom got one. And now he's influenced me and I wanna get one.

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  So.

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  And she said to me, once you get one, you'll never stop.

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  That's, that's, that's how, I've got to get, I'm getting one on Tuesday.

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  Can't you, your feet are decaying.

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  Yeah, they are decaying.

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  Your feet look like.

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  It's like they're done with Patreon.

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  You found them in some sort of Egyptian tomb.

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  Obviously, the nail cutting is beautiful, right? But they also get rid of a lot of the sort of like fungal nail stuff as well.

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  What are you talking about?

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  No, you know, like, you know, like, what's that bit called, like this, like the quill or something, right?

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  Cuticle?

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  Cuticle, yeah, right. That thing, they get rid of, like, all your nails, they sort that out.

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  Yeah, sure. Let, let's get back to, I don't, I, why things happened is you've said fungal. I've asked a follow-up question, your arse is gone, and now you're talking about cuticles.

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  Well, I had.

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  So what is, what is the fungal thing that you're talking about?

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  When I worked on building sites and stuff, and, and sold t-shirts, I was doing a lot of work outdoors in very, very tough conditions. Right? So my feet took a battering for many a year.

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  How long have you been doing comedy for?

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  Well, that's a lot of standing. But I've never had a pedicure before.

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  Right.

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  So my toes, toenails are slightly, were a little bit, I look.

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  So if people are starting to get emotional by this story of hardship, I, I just wanna say, obviously, guys, we should probably put a trigger warning. Anybody that hasn't had a pedicure, you're gonna find this quite triggering. Tom, sadly, and it's really good to hear you open up about this, you've not had a pedicure this whole time.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  Can we, in the edit, maybe put some sort of that somber music, like, you know?

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  Let's do, okay, let's do it like this.

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  Let's do it like our favourite twat, darling, I'm the CEO.

• 7:41Speaker 00

  So look, Tom, thank you. Thanks so much for, for coming on. So.

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  Thank you for having me.

• 7:45Speaker 00

  Look, this isn't something I've heard you talk about before.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  I've never, I don't know, I've never opened up about this before.

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  But I had a little chat with you before, and you said you're okay to talk about this. And I actually think people will find this quite helpful.

• 7:55Speaker 01

  I have to talk about this now. I think I've held back and it's the one thing that I've never really opened up about.

• 8:00Speaker 00

  Hmm. So, so let, let, before we get into the actual nub of it, if you like, tell me a bit about the, the background, the answer. So you, you worked on the, you worked on the sites, building sites, didn't you?

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  And I also sold festivals.

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  And what was that, what was that like, just to give us an idea? Because I guess people, some people don't realise, they just think building sites are building sites. But what was that doing?

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  Building sites are a building site.

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  And what was that doing to your feet?

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  Just to, just to, building sites are building sites.

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  Yeah, sure.

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  So just so you know that, I don't want you getting confused.

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  No, well, that's why it's good to have an expert.

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  So, um, so it's tough, all conditions. Sometimes it rained, sometimes obviously it snowed.

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  Yeah.

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  Uh, and then you had that heat, man, all the time, you know, you had to wear shoes, you couldn't go barefoot on a building site.

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  No.

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  So a lot of sweating, and she's sweating on the feet. Um, in the, and my God, when the rain came in, sometimes your trainers would get wet.

• 8:50Speaker 00

  Um, did your feet ever get sweaty when you were catcalling women as they walked past?

• 8:54Speaker 01

  Uh, no, that was mainly my groin. Um, that would get quite sweaty then, if I'm honest with you.

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  How often on the sites were you nursing a boner?

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Um, it depends who I was working with. If it was a guy called Gary Ellis, I'd quite often be aroused. He often just worked in a, quite a tight pair of old 1989 Arsenal shorts. Um, and he had a six pack and sort of quite strong shoulders, very strong shoulders.

• 9:23Speaker 00

  Um, Gary actually texts the podcast and he said, and I just wanted to put this to you.

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  Yeah.

• 9:29Speaker 00

  He quoted you directly as one day saying to him, after you've finished on those doors, why don't you get to work on my back doors? Is that, is that true? Can you confirm what I'm on that?

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  Yeah. We were never carpenters. I don't know what you think we were making with doors.

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  Well, I guess it's asking him to fuck you.

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  Yeah, yeah.

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  Is what I'm getting, is what I was getting, or I think what you were getting.

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  In the way that I.

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  Ground zero for this.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd always be quite sort of, yeah, I'd like to sort of like, you know, a bit of wordplay before we get out with sort of like rough guys.

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  Sure. So you worked on.

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  That's why I'm here to talk about.

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  You worked on the sites and your feet took a battering, didn't they?

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  Yeah, my, and then I worked selling t-shirts, festivals, feet took a battering there as well. My feet have been, you know, and obviously.

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  Did you not have a chair when you were selling the t-shirts?

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  You can't sell things sitting down.

• 10:16Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, I'm, I'm assuming that people aren't.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  You've obviously never sold anything in your life.

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  Um, well, I've sold the idea of a podcast where I'm carrying somebody to a production company. So I have sold stuff. Um, but.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  Apart from sunglasses, obviously.

• 10:29Speaker 00

  But you, but what I'm saying is, you, you, at the times where you weren't, where you didn't have customers, what would you do?

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  You'd be looking for customers. That's.

• 10:38Speaker 00

  In what way?

• 10:39Speaker 01

  So you'd be at the front of the store. Hey, how you doing? How you doing? The, the grind never stops. The hustle never ends.

• 10:45Speaker 00

  So if I was a customer, how would it, if I was just wandering around the festival?

• 10:49Speaker 01

  Hey, you need yourself a new t-shirt, you silly wally.

• 10:52Speaker 00

  What do you mean by that?

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Sorry, I've gone in too hard. I got excited. Right. Hey, hey, hello, mate. Did you enjoy The Killers?

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  I'm just on my way to.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  You, you definitely watched The Killers?

• 11:03Speaker 00

  Yes, I did, yeah.

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  Do you enjoy them?

• 11:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're great. I love The Killers.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  Mister Brightside.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  Can I get you a T-shirt or a jumper?

• 11:12Speaker 00

  I was wondering why you-

• 11:13Speaker 01

  That weather's changing, huh? Ah, gosh.

• 11:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, suddenly you wouldn't buy a T-shirt if it was cold. I mean, I understand if that would, that would work on somebody who was topless, yeah. I get that as a sales technique.

• 11:28Speaker 00

  Anyway, so, so you worked on the T-shirts, you stood up the whole time.

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  Yeah.

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  You're going up to people going, oh, it looks-

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  Obviously, then, I, you know, I was doing that and then got into stand-up comedy, which is also all standing up. So-

• 11:39Speaker 00

  Yes, a lot of standing up comedy. And would you not sit down backstage?

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  Never. No, no, I'm always pacing. So my feet, over the years, have taken a real, real pounding.

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  What size foot are you?

• 11:48Speaker 01

  Uh, twelve.

• 11:51Speaker 00

  Right, so that's a lot of surface area.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Not as much if I was a thirteen or fourteen, but-

• 11:56Speaker 00

  No.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  More if I was a ten or eleven.

• 11:57Speaker 00

  Absolutely, yeah, yeah.

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  That's good. It's, it's, sometimes I think a lot of podcasts forget to reiterate how numbers work.

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  Yeah.

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  It's good to get that.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  So, um-

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  Um, and would you, in your days as a, on, on the building sites or selling T-shirts or doing your stand-up comedy, um, would you moisturise your, what was your foot care regime then?

• 12:17Speaker 01

  My feet are the one part of my body I've never paid any due diligence to.

• 12:20Speaker 00

  Right.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  And they've just been an afterthought, if I'm honest with you, rubbish. And looking at it now, that just makes me quite ashamed.

• 12:26Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  Um, and also feel quite selfish about my feet, because I look at it now and these guys have been carrying me for, well, up until I'm at you, really, so.

• 12:34Speaker 00

  But they've, and they've continued to do that, haven't they, I assume?

• 12:37Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, no, but now I can sort of lean on you quite a little more, so.

• 12:39Speaker 00

  Yes, absolutely.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  So, thank you.

• 12:41Speaker 00

  I've, I've actually got to go somewhere about my spinal issues, all the carrying, but, um-

• 12:47Speaker 01

  So, so, yeah, and, I don't know how to say this, three weeks ago, I made a big life choice. I decided to put my first pedicure.

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  And it was then I realised-

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  Not your, oh, your first one of the month, I'm assuming?

• 13:03Speaker 01

  No, my first one at the, like, I've never done a pedicure.

• 13:05Speaker 00

  You've never had a pedicure before?

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  Um, and, um-

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  Do you want a moment?

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  No, no, I need to get this out. I need to get this out. Um, and then it was then it dawned on me what I put my feet through over the last forty-six years. And, um, yeah.

• 13:25Speaker 00

  Yeah. Just take your time, take your time.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, it dawned on me then what I put my feet through for the last forty-six years. And I don't think you can look at any part of your body as being less than the sum of its parts.

• 13:40Speaker 00

  No, I don't think I even understand what that means.

• 13:44Speaker 00

  What do you mean by that?

• 13:46Speaker 01

  That your feet aren't any less important.

• 13:48Speaker 00

  You're gonna go to your eyes off to your nose?

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Then your eyes or your nose, um-

• 13:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  Your ears.

• 13:55Speaker 00

  Right.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  You know, we, we look at those things all, all the time, because obviously mirrors are usually face, you know, you look at your face and-

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  Yes.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  They're your sort of top.

• 14:02Speaker 00

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  You know, they're your-

• 14:04Speaker 00

  They're the things that you look at the most.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then you go, okay, you know, I don't know.

• 14:08Speaker 00

  It's difficult to look at, you know, uh, fo- foot mirrors are quite unusual.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  Unless you go to a shoe shop.

• 14:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  And then you've got shoes on. Seldom do you take off your shoes and socks and go, sorry, mate, it's gonna be-

• 14:17Speaker 00

  Could have a quick look, yeah, it's unlike-

• 14:18Speaker 01

  Um, so, yeah, and I think actually it's a metaphor for life, we don't look down enough.

• 14:25Speaker 01

  We just look forward and up and so on, and, you know.

• 14:28Speaker 00

  But everywhere except for down.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Oh, how, when did you last thank your feet?

• 14:32Speaker 00

  When did last thank my feet?

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:35Speaker 00

  I don't think I've ever thanked my feet.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  Then the joke's on you.

• 14:38Speaker 00

  What joke?

• 14:44Speaker 00

  So, do you thank your feet?

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I do.

• 14:46Speaker 00

  I'd love to see you do it.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Okay, um, Robert, Martin, thank you both, um, for getting me here today, for walking, um, for, um, always being there. Thank you for letting me, allowing me to wiggle my toes, um, with glee, but also when times are tough, for pushing the soles of my feet down and going, I've got this.

• 15:08Speaker 00

  Really nice.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  I've put a lot of weight on my feet, literally, so, yeah.

• 15:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, very, very moving. And I would say be- better than most of your closing thoughts.

• 15:18Speaker 00

  So you had your first pedicure?

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:20Speaker 00

  And, uh, how was it? How was it? Was it good?

• 15:22Speaker 01

  It was amazing. The woman who did it was just a foot expert.

• 15:26Speaker 00

  Right.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  And she just looked at them at first and she went, oh, huh, okay.

• 15:30Speaker 00

  No, just she didn't do that, did she?

• 15:31Speaker 01

  No, she did look at them and she was like, okay.

• 15:33Speaker 00

  How bad were they?

• 15:34Speaker 01

  They were, yeah, I mean-

• 15:35Speaker 00

  And did you prep them before you went to get your pedicure?

• 15:37Speaker 01

  No, that's, that, that's half, that's the, can I say, by the way, if you turn up and you prep your feet, you're taking all the joy away from that person.

• 15:45Speaker 00

  Well, you're not taking the joy away, that, uh, yeah, but if you turn up-

• 15:48Speaker 01

  That's like pumping up, you're going to the garage and doing your wheels on your car and-

• 15:52Speaker 00

  No.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  Making sure all your oils are, oh, yeah, by the way, the car's nearly done, just, you know, you've got, I'm, I'm just gonna, where are you going? I was just gonna go to the hairdressers.

• 16:00Speaker 00

  No, it's not the same thing at all.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Of course it is.

• 16:02Speaker 00

  No, it isn't.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  What, what prep are you gonna do before you-

• 16:05Speaker 00

  But I'm just, what I'm saying is, if like your feet stink or whatever.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 16:08Speaker 00

  You're taking a bit of extra care to wash them.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  By the way, do you wash your feet every day?

• 16:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  Good, good.

• 16:13Speaker 00

  I know that you're about to, but, by the way, you're about to go in two-footed on me there when you thought I didn't.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 16:18Speaker 00

  My, do you know that eighty, eight, do you know eighty percent of people don't wash their legs?

• 16:22Speaker 01

  But why?

• 16:22Speaker 00

  Because it's runoff.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  What do you mean runoff? Yeah, because it runs down.

• 16:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you have to wash them. Like, washing your legs is as important as washing your arse. Well, not as important, but yeah, your arse is the one thing to really wash, but-

• 16:36Speaker 00

  But I wouldn't say it's the one thing to really wash.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  No, but if, if you could wash one part of your body, what would it be?

• 16:41Speaker 00

  I think I'd probably wash my arse more than I wash any other part of my body. I think that's probably true.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the bit. By the way, arse first or last when you're having a shower?

• 16:49Speaker 00

  Arse first or last? I'd go first.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  What?

• 16:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Then you've got arse hands for the rest of your-

• 16:54Speaker 00

  Well, there, there is running water in my shower. I don't know how yours is operating. I'm not just going to one bucket-

• 17:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you-

• 17:00Speaker 00

  And, and repeatedly using that water.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  No, but still, it's an insane choice to get in there and give your arse a good scrub and then go through your hair.

• 17:08Speaker 00

  I don't think it's insane.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Mate, it's a bit, I, I'd say that's the last bit and then you really, really go to work on it. To me, I wouldn't say you-

• 17:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, what I'd like to do is finish really washing my arse and then go and hug my child. What, like, like, if you, it's not, you've not got the fucking, like, like, you've not got the lurgy. You, you, what, you can wash your, you're in a shower, man.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  You're in a shower, but to go in and put your arse first, I'd say your arse is the bit that needs the most fucking work done to it, right?

• 17:36Speaker 00

  Uh, uh, can I be honest with you? Can, can I be honest with you? You're giving away a lot about your lifestyle and the way that you're talking right now.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 17:43Speaker 00

  You're, you're making out like, you, you, you, you've got, it's a fucking heavy-duty job every time you go to the shower.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  It's not a heavy-duty job, but-

• 17:51Speaker 00

  But you're talking about, oh, well, you know, what I like to do is I like to have a shower, wash everything else, then I go away, have a break, have a high-protein meal, get myself ready, three deep breaths, and then I go in on my crack.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  You're not gonna fucking jump in the sewage before you get in the swimming pool.

• 18:05Speaker 00

  Where is there any sewage?

• 18:07Speaker 01

  Your arse is your sewage pipe.

• 18:08Speaker 00

  Are you, do you not wipe your arse and cleanse yourself? So what are you talking about?

• 18:11Speaker 01

  But I'm not gonna wash my arse and then go and give my face a good wash. I go, I go literally down.

• 18:16Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  I start at the top of my head, get that all nice and washed.

• 18:19Speaker 00

  I get, I get it, I get it. Please do not go through the geography of your body, top to toe, please. You got, you start at the top and finish at the bottom.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then I'll go front to back when it gets to the genitalia.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  Right, right? And then, then I'm, then I'm down through legs and feet.

• 18:33Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  But also, by the way, feet-wise, are you lifting every foot off the floor, giving it a good scrub?

• 18:38Speaker 00

  Every foot, yeah, every single foot.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  No, but you're like that.

• 18:41Speaker 00

  I, I, every single foot.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  Because I know, there's some people I've watched, right?

• 18:45Speaker 00

  You've watched in the shower?

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, or you just look at when you're in a gym, who just do a little, like that.

• 18:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:51Speaker 01

  I'm saying about getting your feet up and getting between the toes.

• 18:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, I get my foot, what, what's going on with you?

• 18:54Speaker 01

  I'm just saying. I've never seen you in the shower.

• 18:57Speaker 00

  No, I've never seen you in the shower. For all I know, this could be just a fabrication.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  No, it's not. I, I, this is one thing I would never lie about.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Right, that's my shower technique. And I'd film it quite happily and send it to you.

• 19:10Speaker 00

  I'd love that. Would you, do you ever use a flannel?

• 19:12Speaker 01

  Uh-

• 19:13Speaker 00

  Or like a loofah or a scrubber?

• 19:15Speaker 01

  Oh my god, a loofah, I love. One end of a stick, oh, it's the best, isn't it?

• 19:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Really get your back nice.

• 19:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  That's a jo- uh, not every day, I won't, again, I'll be honest.

• 19:25Speaker 00

  No, I think you have to say that's special occasions.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:29Speaker 00

  Why would you not use a loofah every day?

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Because if I'm honest with you, I'll, I'll absolutely smash it using a loofah for a week and then go, that loofah's disgusting now, and then I've got to buy another one. Sometimes I forget to put it on the shelf.

• 19:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, I get it, I get it. Especially if you're go- going to work on your arsehole, you'd like to have some of it.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  You don't loofah your arsehole?

• 19:45Speaker 00

  No, I, I don't. I, I don't know what you do. It wouldn't surprise me at this stage if you tell me it gets inside you.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Do you exfoliate often? How often? We exfoliate in the body of the Rangana Ethan.

• 19:54Speaker 00

  I don't think I ever exfoliate.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  You never exfoliate?

• 19:57Speaker 00

  Don't think, well, I don't know what you mean by exfoliate.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  It's, well, you get an exfoliate and you rub it on your skin.

• 20:01Speaker 00

  Like a cream?

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:02Speaker 00

  Do you mean with the little bits in it?

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:04Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, I don't really do that.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  Mate, that's the way.

• 20:06Speaker 00

  I do it for my face, but not anywhere else, really.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  Get your whole body done. Not obviously your, your, your, your front, your front, your willy and stuff, but-

• 20:14Speaker 00

  My front willy?

• 20:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, your willy.

• 20:16Speaker 00

  But it's okay to exfoliate your back willy, isn't it?

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Oh, don't do your willy, don't do your penis.

• 20:21Speaker 00

  Don't exfoliate your penis.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  And be careful around your arse. Don't go, don't go too crazy around your arse.

• 20:25Speaker 00

  So you do exfoliate your arse?

• 20:26Speaker 01

  I exfoliate everywhere.

• 20:27Speaker 00

  And will you go into the valley as well?

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That, that's the bit you want the cleanest of your whole wallet.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  No, I get that, but I'm talking about exfoliation.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you want it smooth, nice and smooth.

• 20:38Speaker 00

  I don't want, you want it smooth?

• 20:41Speaker 00

  Do you want it smooth?

• 20:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it's nice, yeah.

• 20:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it makes you-

• 20:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't do that, really.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 22:59Speaker 00

  I have started to get into Korean skincare.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  What is Korean skincare?

• 23:02Speaker 00

  It's skincare from Korea. I mean, the clue's in the name.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  No, no, no, but what is it?

• 23:05Speaker 00

  Uh, like little cleansing pads and like different types of moisturizers and little bits of, you know, de-aging things and stuff like that.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  How much, how much time have you got to be doing this in the morning?

• 23:14Speaker 00

  Not a lot of time. It takes me about five minutes. It adds five minutes to my daily routine.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  You're looking good for it, I've got to say. Skin looks nice.

• 23:23Speaker 00

  Somebody we know has gone to an actual, I don't think we should name them, but somebody we know has gone to an actual skin expert and they are looking.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  Oh, I know the person.

• 23:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, they are looking.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  He was showing off about this recently.

• 23:35Speaker 00

  Well, I wasn't showing off, but.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  But he looks incredible.

• 23:37Speaker 00

  He's gone to a specialist.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  He had quite grey sort of skin.

• 23:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  And now.

• 23:41Speaker 00

  Well, I didn't, I didn't think he had grey skin.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, but he had that sort of grey sort of like.

• 23:44Speaker 00

  I mean, he might have talked about this publicly, so we might, we might be being coy about it. Because the number of times I've tried to protect somebody and then it turns out they're just talking about it openly.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. But this person, by the way, looks like they'd sort of been working like in a science lab.

• 23:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. So basically what they do is you go, you go into this thing and then they analyse your skin.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:01Speaker 00

  And then they give you like a series of treatments to, and he looks unbelievable.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  He looks so young.

• 24:06Speaker 00

  Shall we get it done?

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd love that. I, I mean, I, I try to.

• 24:09Speaker 00

  I mean, you've got great skin, actually.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  I try to, I try to use stuff on my skin. I've got, my nose feels a bit tender today. A stress, my, all my stress goes to my nose.

• 24:18Speaker 00

  In what way? How does that manifest itself?

• 24:20Speaker 01

  I just get like a sore nose when I'm stressed.

• 24:21Speaker 00

  Okay. So you're quite stressed at the moment, aren't you?

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:25Speaker 00

  Um, I had, um, so one of the things, do you brush your beard?

• 24:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, brush it and, and try and use a nice oil in it.

• 24:33Speaker 00

  Hmm, so.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  It feels bad now because I haven't done it this morning. To be fair, I got so much weird messages after the, the state of my beard was brought into question a few episodes ago.

• 24:42Speaker 00

  Oh, but that was only because you'd grown it for the.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I've, I've cut it back now.

• 24:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, it looks good. I looked good before.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  I wish I'd shaped it more from where it was, but I, I've, I've been cutting my own beard. I quite like it. I quite like the sort of process of it. And now I feel like.

• 24:56Speaker 00

  Can I just say something?

• 24:59Speaker 00

  You've been cutting your own beard. Again, you've made it sound like a hardship. It's a pedicure all over again. Most, but most people do their own beards.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, but I, I, I've, I've had disasters cutting my own beard. Do you remember when I, I went too far down there?

• 25:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  And it like, yeah, yeah.

• 25:14Speaker 00

  You look like you remember colour me bad.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  So I've, I've been, I've been scarred by that. I've got to be really careful.

• 25:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  Cause I, I, cause I would literally go, I'm just gonna take, notch that down, notch that down before you know.

• 25:29Speaker 00

  You look, you've done a great job on it though.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel, I feel, I'm, I'm learning now. I've been watching YouTube videos.

• 25:35Speaker 00

  So, um, bro, I'm so close to losing mine, man.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Where are you gonna go? No, no beard, nothing?

• 25:41Speaker 00

  Maybe just a, I might go back to Tash.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  I like Tash on you. Tash, I actually enjoyed having a Tash. I, I felt there was an inner confidence about having a Tash that I'd, I've never known anyone like it.

• 25:50Speaker 00

  It's because it's such an, I think it's quite a weird, it's a deliberate look.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  You know, but I, I went to see Luke Combs this weekend.

• 25:57Speaker 00

  Let's talk about this because you did a grid post.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:59Speaker 00

  On your Instagram.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:01Speaker 00

  Something about nothing, nowhere in the world I'd rather be than with my angel watching Luke Combs or something like that, wasn't it?

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Something like that, yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, something on those. It was you and Catherine. Tell me about the nights. You went to see Luke Combs.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Luke Combs. I, I get into this because there was a lot of moustaches there.

• 26:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  A lot of tashes. A lot of people were dressed as cowboys.

• 26:20Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, does Catherine like Luke Combs?

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Uh, not as much as I do.

• 26:25Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Um, I mean, no, she knew three of his songs.

• 26:27Speaker 00

  Right. Well, that's, that's good.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:30Speaker 00

  If you, if you go into a gig and you know three songs.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  I actually think that's not bad.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  There were three songs that he played, but all, two of the three songs he played on the encore. It's quite a long, and he was on stage for two hours. He's incredible.

• 26:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  One of the best things I've ever seen in life. I love Luke Combs. I was, and I sing along a lot. Yeah, I've talked about this with the ISIS thing. I was, I very much get into the, the night. Um, fun night. Uh, a very, amazing crowd. Uh, I, I genuinely, everyone dressed up as cowboy. I, I felt a little underdressed if I'm honest with you.

• 27:01Speaker 00

  Right.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  I wish I'd worn like a sort of cowboy shirt and a, and a hat, sort of more of a cowboy hat. I didn't think about it enough. And it's sort of, that's gonna be one of my biggest regrets of this year.

• 27:12Speaker 00

  Hmm. I, I would, before you might complete that list, I'd listen back to some episodes from this year. So you went, so how, how do you make the decision? You, you say to Catherine, I really love.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  I'm like, would you be up for a date night going to watch Luke Combs? And she said, like, okay, this is your, yeah, this is your night.

• 27:33Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Um, went along. Incredible. Few drinks. I mean, it, it was a, I, I would say it's one of a few, few times recently I've suffered a lot of real social anxiety though. We sat, where we were sitting, um, you know, a lot of lovely people, but a lot of, you know, all of a sudden, people with pictures and stuff.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  Have you?

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, and people were drunk and straight away I, I felt like, oh, a little bit like, oh shit, like this is, so, um, ended up having quite a few beers, the two of us, which is fun, which is good.

• 28:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  Um, it had a weird, I think Catherine went to the bathroom at one point

• 28:10Speaker 01

  and a woman who wasn't sitting next to us came and sat, on her own, just came and sat next to me and then sort of tried having a conversation.

• 28:18Speaker 00

  Right.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Um, and she was very sweet, but the, do you ever had that situation? I'm sitting there, this woman's chatting to me. Um, she's a very attractive woman and she was like chatting away and I was like, when Catherine comes back, this would look like this woman wasn't sitting here. She's come and sat next to me for a chat. And, and you know when you just feel like, is, is this a, do I look like I'm, I'm being a bit of a prick just having a chat with this, this woman? So I found myself sort of like being a little bit despondent, I guess.

• 28:47Speaker 00

  You, you were trying to bring this to an end before Catherine came back from the toilet, right?

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Not bring it to an end. I was trying not to sort of get pulled into her. She was like, what's your favourite song? Oh my God, are you excited to be here?

• 28:56Speaker 00

  She recognised you.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:58Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Um, and she came up to talk to me and I was like, yeah, just chatting at first. She was very full on. She was very, very, very.

• 29:04Speaker 00

  Unattractive, you've said that.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, but you know, a loud character. And if I'm honest with you, I felt, this is a bit disrespectful if I'm sitting here having this full on conversation with this woman who's come up to speak to me.

• 29:16Speaker 00

  Yeah. Who, let's be honest, if you were on your own, you would have tried to shag.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Yeah. I mean, naturally, I'm that kind of disgusting human being.

• 29:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  Well, I'd have showed her the pedicure. I'd have slipped off my cowboy boots.

• 29:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're, how about we enjoy this next song, Barefoot?

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Which is one of his songs.

• 29:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, anyway, so you're worried about, not, you're not sorry, you're not worried.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  I, I wasn't worried. It's more of, it's like, this isn't a very respectful thing to do. And also the woman was very, you know when someone's very full on, chatty? And it's, I mean, actually now I'm thinking about it, she had a lot of Tom energy. Uh, but I was like, it's, this is, I, this can't be the evening now. She, she's literally chatting about.

• 30:00Speaker 00

  It's all, but isn't it Catherine comes back and you go, look, sorry, I know we came together, but.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Now the three of us. And also, by the way, this woman knows all of his songs. She was singing them before the concert started.

• 30:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  She was, she was going, oh my God, do you like Hurricane? I went, I love Hurricane. And then she started singing Hurricane.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  Did she know more of the songs than you did?

• 30:17Speaker 01

  Well, she, yeah, I mean, probably on par, but you're, I'm not singing.

• 30:20Speaker 00

  Do you remember, don't you, when you told us the story about the Oasis gig where everybody that didn't know the songs, you were really angry with?

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I, it's very hard to be that angry with my wife when she's coming along and done a nice thing.

• 30:30Speaker 00

  I'm not talking about her.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Oh, I knew a lot of songs.

• 30:32Speaker 00

  I'm talking about this woman arguing, being angry with you because obviously she knew.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  She was angry, no, but she, what she wanted to do was sing, like she was singing the songs before the concert had started. So she was like, you know, she was just loudly singing out. It was just a bit like, yeah, okay, cool. Well, yeah, Luke Combs is about to do this.

• 30:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  It feels a wild thing that you're preempting the song.

• 30:52Speaker 00

  So what face are you doing while she's singing this song to you?

• 30:57Speaker 00

  And how long's she going on for?

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Well Catherine also, and this is, this is a bit, Catherine was then, cause I'd seen, I'd seen this bit of merch out like this, this Luke Combs, um, baseball shirt. So Catherine was then trying to find in the merch store, she went to a form merch store, she took a lot, I was like, she's taking ages. And she came back and she was like, I couldn't find the Luke Combs baseball shirt, I was trying to buy you that as a, as a gift, sort of, which was a lovely gesture.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  Oh my god, and while that, you're cracking on with some other woman.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, well that's how it might look to people.

• 31:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and this woman's then, but she said, when Catherine came back, I, I think she'd, she, she'd sort of finished her own little concert. Um, by the way, a lot of people round me were finding this quite annoying.

• 31:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know.

• 31:37Speaker 00

  It sounds quite embarrassing for you, actually.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, people were looking round, cause she, she wasn't just going, oh, I like this song, and then giving it a gentle like, you know, yeah, I came in like a hurricane, yeah, she's like loudly singing.

• 31:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. Out where the wild things are, like, out where the wild things are, like that, and I'm like, alright, yeah, chill out, like, I'm not with you, like that. And people are looking round going, what is she doing? Yeah, and so, yeah.

• 32:01Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  She's, you know when you feel like, okay, this, this night's become about, and she had, she was fully decked out.

• 32:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  Like redneck chic, cowboy hat, cowboy boots, that literally, she's, yeah.

• 32:14Speaker 00

  And then how did it come to an end?

• 32:16Speaker 01

  No, she, she stayed next to us for the whole concert. She was trying to dance with it, me and Catherine were dancing, I was singing, Catherine was sort of like, getting the use of the swing of the songs and then trying to sing, I mean, we, we, she, she was like, yeah. And then someone was like, oh, we're sitting there, and she was like, I've been sitting here since before the concert, it was all very awkward. It's very strange.

• 32:36Speaker 00

  Hmm. And did you, did you, did you feel any responsibility for how it went out, went down?

• 32:42Speaker 01

  Well, I was polite.

• 32:44Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  But then, what I realised, by the way, is being polite sometimes is, is a killer. I was polite to quite a lot of people. Did you, do you ever have this thing, I was being polite, people want, you know, do you want to get a picture? Yeah, of course, and chatting away and talking about Luke Combs, or, you know, quite a few West Ham fans, whatever. Uh, having a laugh with people, and then this guy went, came up, he was so aggressive, he was like, oh, who the fuck do you think you are? And I was like, no one, I'm just, and he was like, fucking giving it all up with your fucking pictures, mate, and he was, yeah. I was like, no, I'm just doing pictures. He was so aggressive, and I was queuing, he was trying to not, you know, just, yeah. I was like, no, I'm just doing a few pictures, and you're like, no, this is fucking, I'm gonna get beaten up.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  By some fucking lunatic in a fucking cowboy hat. And he, and he'd done the thing, I mean, it's a big look, by the way. He'd done the thing where he'd got a short C-shirt and he'd rolled the, the, the sleeves up to about there. And his mouth, he had this fucking, he was so hench, he was terrifying.

• 33:41Speaker 00

  I think that's probably the gear talking, isn't it?

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think he's had a couple of lines of coke.

• 33:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and also, you know, my girlfriend's been up there for fucking two hours doing her concert, and he, yeah, he was so angry. Yeah. And he did that thing, do you know like, he ran out of aggressive things to say to me, so he just stood next to me, sort of like, like a bull, just going.

• 34:02Speaker 00

  I'm surprised that this guy was at this gig.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was the, by the way, the only twat that there was, you know, it was like they'd gone, oh shit, we haven't got a twat here.

• 34:08Speaker 00

  Where was the gig?

• 34:09Speaker 01

  Wembley. Beautiful gig.

• 34:11Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  There was a, weirdly actually, what, looking down, there was a couple of, there was a couple of fights in the crowd.

• 34:16Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, you could see the torches in the crowd.

• 34:18Speaker 00

  I, I, I wouldn't have thought it'd be supercharged like that, but it was.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's always gonna be hell.

• 34:23Speaker 00

  I mean, his music's quite.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  His music's beautiful.

• 34:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  And it's all about love, it's all about family, friendship.

• 34:27Speaker 00

  You wouldn't expect there to be a big row at a Lewis Capaldi gig, would you, for example?

• 34:30Speaker 01

  No, no. But if you, you know, there'll always be a prick who's had to, Noel Horan came out there with the guy from, um, Clarkson's Farm. Both shot at a beer.

• 34:40Speaker 00

  Caleb.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, Caleb.

• 34:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Caleb was wild, it was an incredible thing to see.

• 34:44Speaker 00

  What, what is this gig?

• 34:46Speaker 01

  So they come out and they, they, they shot a beer, you know, like.

• 34:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  Did a beer. Uh, and Caleb, so Caleb, but Caleb was like, ah, he was so sweet to see. I'm like, wow, he is really blossoming into, yeah.

• 35:01Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Something. Um, and Noel Horan was there, sweet Noel.

• 35:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was, yeah.

• 35:07Speaker 00

  Really glad you did a good time.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Mate, I loved it.

• 35:11Speaker 00

  Can you see yourself moving into doing more live music gigs?

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Oh, country music, yeah. Right, I, I.

• 35:17Speaker 00

  Country music's your thing, isn't it?

• 35:19Speaker 01

  I think it is now. I think I've, do you know what, I've been dancing around, I've been, you know, in the, I quite like a little bit of hip hop as we know. Uh, but this, this feels the thing for me now.

• 35:28Speaker 00

  That's your genre?

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's it now. I think.

• 35:31Speaker 00

  You're a country guy?

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:33Speaker 00

  This is exciting.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like I've found my place in the world.

• 35:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, so what are you gonna do?

• 35:36Speaker 01

  I found my people.

• 35:37Speaker 00

  What are you gonna do?

• 35:38Speaker 01

  There was a lot of, maybe do a country album.

• 35:41Speaker 00

  I don't, I think you can just enjoy the music for a while. You've only just discovered that you like the genre.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  No, I've liked it for a while.

• 35:46Speaker 00

  I know, but you've only just declared that you're into.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is my thing, like you have hip hop, I have country music now.

• 35:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, I understand what that, I get that's what you're saying.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  I was thinking of like a tattoo, you know, like a sort of like, like a cattle, like a cat, you know.

• 35:57Speaker 00

  A cow?

• 35:58Speaker 01

  No, like cattle, American buffaloes or something like that, to signify my sort of emergence into the.

• 36:04Speaker 00

  I don't think that's what people think it'll signify.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  What do you think it will look like?

• 36:08Speaker 00

  What, just like you're into livestock?

• 36:12Speaker 01

  I bet Caleb's got a big cow tattoo.

• 36:14Speaker 00

  Fine, but I don't think they're gonna, yeah, he works.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  That's someone I'd like to be friends with, by the way.

• 36:17Speaker 00

  He's off Clarkson's Farm.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I, I worry about him now.

• 36:20Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 36:21Speaker 01

  Well, Clarkson's Farm, he's doing, I don't know if the farm's doing, I think it's doing okay.

• 36:25Speaker 00

  Doing great.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I, I, I think Caleb's such a sweet soul.

• 36:28Speaker 00

  Why are you worried about him now?

• 36:30Speaker 01

  Well, just the world, he's into the world we're in now.

• 36:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  He's very famous.

• 36:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, so he's having the time of his life, isn't he?

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, but no, but, but when people start being pricks, I hope that he's got a sweet.

• 36:39Speaker 00

  So you thought he was a prick at that gig?

• 36:40Speaker 01

  No, I thought he was incredible at that gig. But I just worry about people being pricks to him.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  Oh, to him?

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Cause he's a really sweet guy.

• 36:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  I do worry that he's gonna get that.

• 36:47Speaker 00

  You should reach out to him.

• 36:48Speaker 01

  He, he's bigger than me now. He's a massive following. He won't even, yeah. He was on stage with Luke Combs. The night before John Terry was on stage with Luke Combs.

• 36:57Speaker 00

  What?

• 36:58Speaker 01

  John Terry shotgunned a beer with Luke Combs. He got booed.

• 37:00Speaker 00

  John Terry?

• 37:01Speaker 01

  And he kicked into the ground.

• 37:02Speaker 00

  Okay, do you know what, can I just say this? You will never see me at one of those fucking gigs.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  Why?

• 37:08Speaker 00

  Um, it's, people are coming on stage and shotgunning beers.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:12Speaker 00

  Fucking John Terry's there. No, thank you. Who was it the next night? Rupert Lowe?

• 37:18Speaker 01

  John Terry. John Terry had a flat cap on, he looked like.

• 37:21Speaker 00

  Fucking hell.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  He looked like he wandered in from Football Factory. I was like, give him a cowboy hat at least.

• 37:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, full cowboy, he's a proper full kit wanker, isn't he? He probably caked on the horse.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  Little pair of denim hot pants.

• 37:34Speaker 01

  Some daisy jokes.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  It was, uh, yeah, it was a great night. A great night, I had.

• 37:41Speaker 00

  Good, I'm glad you had a good time. So what other art, oh my god, here we go. John Terry just shotgunned a beer with Luke Combs, Coombs at Wembley Studi- Stadium.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  He allegedly got booed.

• 37:52Speaker 00

  Incredible how difficult I found it to read that single sentence, wasn't it? Can I tell you why? I'm unsure of how to pronounce his surname, I'm just gonna say that, I've been.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Luke Combs?

• 38:00Speaker 00

  Is it Coombs?

• 38:02Speaker 01

  I feel, do you know what, I think we put too much, we, we've been pronouncing your surname wrong for fucking fifteen, twenty years.

• 38:07Speaker 00

  Well, not wrong, it's only the way that I've.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, Runga Nathan, right, but.

• 38:11Speaker 00

  Who's been pronouncing it Runga Nathan?

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 38:14Speaker 00

  What did you just say?

• 38:15Speaker 01

  I thought it was Runga Nathan, no?

• 38:16Speaker 00

  Runga Nathan.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  Runga, well, okay, yeah. There, there we go, look, yeah.

• 38:19Speaker 00

  But don't get all shruggy, now, now.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  It's pizza or pizza, you know what I mean?

• 38:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  Right, Luke Combs.

• 38:26Speaker 00

  Is it Luke Combs?

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Coombs, yeah.

• 38:27Speaker 00

  Coombs, okay. I mean, I've played his song, I've played a lot of his songs on my radio show, I still have to pronounce his name.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  By the way, a lot of love for him, right? Even on the old R2 show.

• 38:35Speaker 00

  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot of love for him.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:38Speaker 00

  So is he your favourite now?

• 38:39Speaker 01

  I adore the guy.

• 38:40Speaker 00

  What, what, who are your other country artists?

• 38:44Speaker 00

  No, cause this is your genre now, I'm, I don't think that's a bad, full lot question.

• 38:50Speaker 00

  Who are the other people you're into?

• 38:57Speaker 01

  There's a guy called Zach.

• 39:02Speaker 00

  You can listen to people, it doesn't just have to be people that live on your road. What about music artists that you like, country artists?

• 39:10Speaker 01

  Uh, I, I have it on shuffle, so sometimes.

• 39:13Speaker 00

  Right, okay, so you just go, you go and you find the, you go to country.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  I'm terrible with that, I'm terrible with names. I don't even, yeah, so.

• 39:20Speaker 00

  Well, look, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  Do you know what, I think this is my journey though. This is my journey, Luke Combs is, that's, that's my peritif, that's my, that's my entrance into the.

• 39:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  Into the world. That's like, oh, that's nice, oh, that tastes delicious, I could eat more of that.

• 39:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Oh, we've got loads of dishes for you, sir. Bring them forth. And then I'll slowly eat them.

• 39:40Speaker 00

  No, I get it, I get it, I get it, the analogy, yeah, it makes sense now. When you said peritif, I was like, what could he possibly mean? But then you explained how a meal works and I was like, okay. I, I get it now. I get what you're saying. Um, but, but, but what I think you should do, if you're trying to deep dive into this genre, cause that whole thing of like, I'm into this thing, I'm gonna listen to a playlist, is great, but it's only really great if you then like, say you hear, is to actively listen, and when you hear a song that you like, then go to that artist.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  Go to that artist.

• 40:09Speaker 00

  And then maybe you've got, you find someone that you're gonna be a new fan of, do you know what I mean?

• 40:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 00

  I mean, I, I sort of ended up having to do that because of the hip hop show, not having to do that, but you're trying to stay.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's become your, your DNA, that's the thing you're known for more than anything else now.

• 40:21Speaker 00

  What is?

• 40:22Speaker 01

  Hip hop.

• 40:22Speaker 00

  No, I love hip hop, but what I'm, what, but what I mean is like, you'd be listening to a playlist.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:27Speaker 00

  And then like, sometimes you can just let that wash over you.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  I like this a lot, this is good. Okay, let's see what else I've got to offer.

• 40:34Speaker 00

  Okay, you've made it sound absolutely disgusting now.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  That's what you were saying you were doing.

• 40:38Speaker 00

  But that's not what I'm doing, you fucking ruined it now.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  That's what you, that is.

• 40:42Speaker 00

  Hmm, okay.

• 40:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think I like the sound of that.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  I like this guy. I like this guy. He's a wordsmith. Okay, let me just.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  He's got some good, so he's got three albums. Oh, listen to this.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do.

• 41:00Speaker 00

  Look, look, you can make me look like a prick if you want, but it just means that you'll have a follow up question to what other artists would you like? I'm just trying to help you out.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  I'm gonna do the same thing. I'm gonna do it.

• 41:09Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  So next, I'm gonna have more people. That's the thing. I might do what you do and just go, you know that when you put the videos up of people you like Instagram?

• 41:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  And go bang her and all, or whatever like that.

• 41:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'd love to see you start doing that.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm on it.

• 41:22Speaker 00

  Okay, great.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Operation Country.

• 41:25Speaker 00

  Post Malone did a country album.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  Post Malone, I know. Great guy.

• 41:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, his country albums are really good.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Jelly Roll?

• 41:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, Jelly Roll's good.

• 41:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like Big Jelly Roll. Well, not Big, he's lost a lot of weight.

• 41:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's just.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  You know, he did it by running, like, yeah. He did a lot of running.

• 41:39Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  I, I, I actually.

• 41:40Speaker 00

  Sadly split up with his wife.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:43Speaker 00

  Bunny.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which is really sad because how it's such, such sweet names.

• 41:47Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  That's a dinner, but yeah. Who's coming around tonight? Jelly and Bunny?

• 41:50Speaker 00

  That, that, it sounds like something you'd watch on Cartoon Network.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they come around, and by the way, outstanding guests at any dinner party. Actually, probably not as much now, because he's not eating as much, but.

• 42:00Speaker 00

  Well, that's better, isn't it?

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Well, no, you want him to come around and have a full fucking.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  Well, I'm sure he's still eating full meals. What I mean is that.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  No, but he's not eating as much, do you know what I mean? You've got a portion control going, oh, yeah, be careful, mate. You've got a big run.

• 42:11Speaker 00

  Um, when you invite people around for dinner.

• 42:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:14Speaker 00

  And I, by the way, I'm asking this because I've never been invited around, so that's.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  You have been invited around and you've been around to my house for dinner.

• 42:19Speaker 00

  For, for a lunch.

• 42:21Speaker 01

  A lunch, okay.

• 42:22Speaker 00

  A quick lunch and it was made, it was made clear when you, it was very rare to be invited to someone's house where there's a hard out.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Was there a hard out?

• 42:33Speaker 00

  Oh, very hard out.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  I can't remember why.

• 42:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't, well, you gave us a call sheet.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  I actually put on a hell of a spread.

• 42:40Speaker 00

  You did. It was great.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  It was a hell of a spread.

• 42:41Speaker 00

  It was really very sweet.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  I thought about everyone.

• 42:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, you did.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  You gave me everyone's dietary requirements.

• 42:45Speaker 00

  Everyone had a great time.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  Slightly worried that I'd, I'd sort of maybe drop Lisa out a little bit because Lisa's, I think, I think, because you said Lisa would eat nearly anything, so I just thought she would just.

• 42:54Speaker 00

  Well, actually, I, I've slightly changed my mind on that. Lisa won't eat nearly anything.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  No, that's what I found out that day. It was like, actually, everyone else, like, I've got, given, got you these incredible vegan, I went to a specialised vegan, uh, place for curries.

• 43:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  One of my favourite restaurants to go to. I thought he'll love this.

• 43:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Boys, I've got some chicken, nice chicken nuggets, chips.

• 43:11Speaker 00

  It's great. Yeah, it's good.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  And then I, I thought I'll.

• 43:13Speaker 00

  It's weird that you still remember the whole list.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, because I.

• 43:16Speaker 00

  It felt like quite a casual evening, like us around and just have whatever you want, but now you're giving me an inventory of every single thing you brought in.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  Well, I've been to yours, I can tell you when I went to yours, I can tell you what I got for yours. I had a sleeve of biscuits.

• 43:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you didn't come around for lunch.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Hello, I came around for, yeah.

• 43:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, you came around just to say hello and you ate all our fucking biscuits.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Which is not, that's what I mean about Jelly Roll. You're not having that problem.

• 43:43Speaker 00

  By the way, just so you know, it's unusual to say, I ate a sleeve of biscuits. You threw that out there like that's something somebody says.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  I would say.

• 43:52Speaker 00

  Do you remember when somebody says something? That normally follows this sentence, when did you know you'd hit rock bottom?

• 43:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, but a sleeve of biscuits isn't rock bottom. You'd never sat and watched a Netflix documentary or something and gone, oh, fuck, mate, this is brilliant. This is great.

• 44:08Speaker 00

  Are you asking me if I eat biscuits like popcorn? No.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  I don't, I, I.

• 44:12Speaker 00

  Well, I, I'm, I'm not being harsh, by the way, on your eating habits. I, I, the, the reason I don't do that is I have to be really careful that I don't do that.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, but this is the thing. I think, I, I, I'm in a place now where I, that is my joy, where I go, okay, this is, it's biscuit o'clock.

• 44:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. But what I mean, what I mean is, can I tell you my slight issue with that?

• 44:30Speaker 01

  Go on.

• 44:31Speaker 00

  To be honest.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:33Speaker 00

  Is, I don't think there's anything wrong with, there is nothing wrong with, and we are in this, like, we have all these fitness influencers, they're all going like, you know, oh my God, you've got to be careful with what you eat and earn your, earn your calories and all that bullshit.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:45Speaker 00

  So I don't, so I, I don't agree with that. And I think if you eat what you want, but the only stipulation is like, I think you should at least savour what you're eating.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 44:54Speaker 00

  So like, if, for me, if I sat with a packet of biscuits in front of the TV, I'm not really.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, but can I, I suck every Jaffa cake. It's like, every Jaffa cake, I, oh, but if I'm sitting there with a sleeve of Jaffa cakes, everyone gets exactly the same respect and adulation.

• 45:10Speaker 00

  Well, that's great.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't, I don't like scoffing them in like that. I'm like.

• 45:13Speaker 00

  It's, it's really nice to hear you refer to Jaffa cakes like a pimp might do to his hose.

• 45:22Speaker 00

  Right, Tom, it's about that time, my G. Can you wrap us up?

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 45:27Speaker 00

  Lick this podcast to its close like a juicy little Jaffa cake.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Thank you for listening, watching, and please, subscribe if you can.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Aaron had a dog, Willie Taylor. Willie Taylor was the most loyal and sweet dog you could ever see, but as silly as the wind. See, every day, uh, Aaron and Willie lived near a small cliff and Aaron would let Willie out of the back door and Willie would run off. And quite a lot of the time run down this cliff, thus finding himself stuck on the beach. Aaron would go, Willie, you silly thing, you're as silly as a blooming wind, mate. And he'd climb down and he'd get Willie and take him back to the house. He'd do it again and again and again.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Then came a day where Aaron had to go to the hospital because he had, um, a really bad case of the piles. So he was in hospital and the door blew over. Guess it was the wind being silly. And Willie escaped and ran and he jumped down a cliff and found himself on the beach with the tide coming in. All of a sudden Willie was up against it. He didn't know what to do. I guess that's the thing about life. If you keep putting yourself in silly situations that you can't get yourself out of and people help you from, you'll never, ever be able to work your way out of those problems. That might be the lesson. But that, though, Willie did work out. He climbed up the cliff.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  Because sometimes when you find yourself put into the face of adversity or a big cliff, you find something in yourself that it's you become the hero you've always needed to be.

• 47:19Speaker 00

  Hmm. Really good.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:22Speaker 00

  Really good.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 47:23Speaker 00

  Very surprising story.

• 47:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 47:25Speaker 00

  You know, for example, surprising, I think, to everyone that Willie survived the fall off the cliff. And it was the water that proved to be the thing he was most nervous about.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that's, that's life, man.

• 47:35Speaker 00

  Scrambled back up the cliff face.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  Sometimes it's not the fall, it's the climbing up that teaches you.

• 47:38Speaker 00

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 47:40Speaker 00

  Sort of almost Amale Cyrus.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  That's a country song right there, I think.

• 47:44Speaker 00

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