The Blues Brothers

In the summer of 1979, citizens of Chicago found themselves subject to traffic jams, random explosions, and S. W. A. T. teams invading Daley Plaza. But they weren’t frightened, they were thrilled! It was just Jake & Elwood Blues, and they were on a mission from God. This week Chris and Lizzie dive head first into John Landis’ 1980 classic ‘The Blues Brothers’. Find out why they really drove cars through downtown Chicago at over 100mph, how Dan Aykroyd’s first draft was 324 pages long, and why John Landis punched John Belushi in the face. Please note that this episode will cover substance abuse and addiction. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 2:09Chris Winterbauer?

  Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to another episode of What Went Wrong, your favorite podcast, full stop, that just so happens to be about movies and how it's nearly impossible to make them, let alone a good one, let alone a mission from God. As always, I am Chris Winterbauer, joined by my Blues sister, Lizzie Bassett. Lizzie, what do you have for us today?

• 2:32Lizzie Bassett?

  I have a movie that begs the question, why don't they just fire everyone and hire Aretha Franklin for their band and call it a day? Why is she the only person they don't hire?

• 2:43Chris Winterbauer?

  I would say, this is a movie that begs the question, what is a movie?

• 2:47Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, also that, also that. Don't give me the blues, brother. Yep, you know, I'm just saying, she's the best part of the entire movie, and they just leave her right there in that diner, and it makes no sense to me. But that's okay.

• 2:58Chris Winterbauer?

  She certainly has the best voice of everyone in the movie.

• 3:00Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes.

• 3:00Chris Winterbauer?

  She's fantastic, of course. Although, well, all due respect to Cab Calloway, Ray Charles, and many other people in this movie.

• 3:06Lizzie Bassett?

  Seriously, which we will talk about. We are, of course, talking about The Blues Brothers. Um, wow. This is, okay, so I want to hear from you. Yeah, let's just get into it. I'm, this is one of the most confusing movies I feel like we've ever covered. The story behind it is deeply insane, which I knew going into it. I didn't know how crazy it was gonna be. So, Chris, what was your experience with The Blues Brothers prior to now? And what did you feel upon re-watching it for the podcast?

• 3:35Chris Winterbauer?

  I had only seen this movie in full, I think, once before, when I was very young. Did not connect with it when I was little. All the musical touchpoints were before my time. I did not understand the humor.

• 3:47Lizzie Bassett?

  Well, it's weird.

• 3:48Chris Winterbauer?

  There are still times where I don't understand the humor. It's like Da Da-esque. It is very much of that late 70s, early 80s, very irreverent, non-sequitur-based Saturday Night Live style, I feel humor. Like, some moments made me laugh out loud, like, very heavily in this one, especially some of the visual pranks. But, long story short, wasn't that familiar with it. And then re-watching it now, with Carmella last night, especially once I kind of got on its wavelength, and I really got on its wavelength when Ray Charles pulls the gun on the kid. And I was like, okay, I finally feel like I understand the tone of this movie. And then by the end, I was fully on board. On the one hand, I do think it's just insane. It's an acid trip of a movie, which is super fun.

• 4:29Chris Winterbauer?

  This idea of like, look, this is a music movie, but it's a comedy, but it has two straight men as the leads, but also it's a kid playing with monster trucks, but also it's Aretha Franklin, but also, you know, it's just, it's everything, but also nothing. Somebody wrote in at some point saying, what's the least amount of story you'd be okay?

• 4:47Lizzie Bassett?

  It's Blues Brothers.

• 4:48Chris Winterbauer?

  Can a movie get by on, it's Blues Brothers. This is it. This is the gold standard. There is no, this has-

• 4:51Lizzie Bassett?

  You cannot go below this.

• 4:53Chris Winterbauer?

  This has less story than your average adult film from the time.

• 4:56Lizzie Bassett?

  Oh, certainly.

• 4:56Chris Winterbauer?

  And so, again, I don't really know what to think about it. I really enjoyed watching it. I don't really have any intelligent thoughts about it. I love Aykroyd and Belushi, they're very funny. I thought all of the musical performers were wonderful. The choreography's great. The car scenes are wildly dangerous and entertaining, but also, how many people died on this movie?

• 5:18Lizzie Bassett?

  Stunningly zero, which is really a shock.

• 5:21Chris Winterbauer?

  Crazy. Somebody at some point reached out to us or wrote on some comment or something. They were asking, are there people you have trouble watching their work because of things they've done, their personal failings? And Landis is the person for me.

• 5:34Lizzie Bassett?

  I agree.

• 5:35Chris Winterbauer?

  And I think this is a well-directed movie. It's a very funny movie. I have a hard time getting that out of my mind when I'm watching it. So I just want to be upfront about that. I know that doesn't bother a lot of people. I'm not saying it should, it just does with me. And so I've mixed, again, I enjoy it for all of the weird grace notes, including Aretha Franklin, Carrie Fisher with an M16, like, those are all of my favorite. I enjoy those moments more actually than necessarily the Landis and Aykroyd of it all. And I also like, I mean, Belushi was pretty fantastic as well. So yeah, that's my very, I mean, it's rambling like this movie. This is the ultimate Shaggy Dog story. It's, it's up there.

• 6:15Lizzie Bassett?

  It's barely a story.

• 6:16Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 6:16Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, so I grew up, my dad loves this movie, and I saw this probably several times when I was way too young to understand what was going on. And I was also very, very familiar with the soundtrack.

• 6:27Chris Winterbauer?

  Amazing soundtrack.

• 6:28Lizzie Bassett?

  Incredible soundtrack. Most of these songs, most of these artists, this was my introduction to them, which is the case for a lot of people, which we'll talk about a little bit. And, yeah, upon watching it for this, I was like, oh, this is bizarre. This is absolutely bizarre. I really thought it was gonna be like, I mean, my favorite of all of John Landis's movies, I'm with you, I think he is a despicable person. In case you're wondering why we're saying that, go back and listen to our episodes on The Twilight Zone, there's, it's a two-parter. In our opinion, he is at least semi-responsible for the deaths of three people.

• 6:59Chris Winterbauer?

  And then the way he handled it afterward.

• 7:01Lizzie Bassett?

  And then the way he handled it. And you're gonna see shades of that here as well. Obviously, this is before The Twilight Zone, but I think, you know, there are elements of him as a person that make him very hard to handle and make his movies very hard to watch. I agree.

• 7:15Chris Winterbauer?

  Because we know he's a dangerous director. That's my thing. It's when I'm watching this movie, I watch these stunts, and I think, oh my God, I don't trust this person.

• 7:22Lizzie Bassett?

  So that's the thing that was actually hard for me watching this, was all of the car chase sequences, because he is a dangerous director, we know this for sure. But I think I had maybe less of a hard time watching than you did. And I still, I really love Trading Places. That is probably my favorite of all of his movies.

• 7:37Chris Winterbauer?

  Look, it's a great movie, An American Werewolf in London, great movie.

• 7:40Lizzie Bassett?

  Well, it's great, but like, I was expecting something more like Trading Places, which is actually a pretty tight movie.

• 7:47Chris Winterbauer?

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:48Lizzie Bassett?

  There's not a lot of space, like, it really moves, it's very funny, it has a very strong story, strong hook, and I did not remember this movie very well. And I started watching it, and I was like, what is happening? Like, there's so much space, there's so much weird silence, where just nothing is happening. And I'm like, what, like, could you not afford a score? The answer may be yes, but it's weird. It's really weird. It truly has almost no story, which I didn't remember. It's just an excuse for them to go and collect all of these incredible musicians. And we'll talk about this a little bit in the episode, so I don't want to go into it too much here, but one thing that did strike me as I was watching it was I was like, should I be uncomfortable about this?

• 8:33Lizzie Bassett?

  Should I be uncomfortable about the fact that there's two white guys, you know, helming this movie about the Blues? And my answer by the end of the movie and the end of the research was that I'm not. I know some people are, and we can talk about it a bit, but it did strike me this time watching, I was like, boy, I don't, I don't think we would make this today like this. All that being said, I still really, really enjoyed it. I love all the musical numbers. Whenever there is a musical performance, this movie just absolutely lights up.

• 9:03Chris Winterbauer?

  I mean, all of them. I mean, even the, like-

• 9:05Lizzie Bassett?

  Rawhide, it's incredible.

• 9:07Chris Winterbauer?

  In my opinion, Rawhide is one of the movies actually really finds its groove, because that's when most of the music starts, the good music starts with Rawhide. And it's great.

• 9:14Lizzie Bassett?

  It's amazing.

• 9:15Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 9:15Lizzie Bassett?

  I love that whole sequence. I love that they continue throwing bottles at them even when they like it.

• 9:20Chris Winterbauer?

  It's just like, we have more candy glass to get through. Throw more bottles. You can see Aykroyd at least once, when he turns away toward the band from the glass breaking, you can see him smile.

• 9:32Lizzie Bassett?

  Laughing, yeah.

• 9:33Chris Winterbauer?

  Breaking character, because it's so absurd that they're still getting hit with so many bottles.

• 9:37Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, I love that. For me, the movie, really the last act of the movie, I think, is excellent. From the concert forward.

• 9:44Chris Winterbauer?

  It's great.

• 9:45Lizzie Bassett?

  It's awesome. It's just totally awesome.

• 9:47Chris Winterbauer?

  The Nazi car launching 7,000 feet in the air is so funny.

• 9:53Lizzie Bassett?

  It's so funny.

• 9:53Chris Winterbauer?

  And then turns to him, I've always loved you. Like, it's so absurd.

• 9:57Lizzie Bassett?

  It's so good.

• 9:58Chris Winterbauer?

  It's very absurd.

• 9:58Lizzie Bassett?

  Shout out to, is that Henry Gibson? Is that his name?

• 10:00Chris Winterbauer?

  Henry Gibson plays the Nazi leader.

• 10:02Lizzie Bassett?

  The lead Nazi, the Illinois Nazis, yes.

• 10:04Chris Winterbauer?

  The Illinois Nazis.

• 10:06Lizzie Bassett?

  Prescient. Anyway, let's get into it because there is a lot to discuss here. And obviously, a lot of this episode, we'll be talking about John Belushi, who we have not really covered on the podcast too much before. Fair warning to anybody before we get into this, because we are talking about John Belushi and because this movie is sort of the hinge on which his life begins to tilt in a very bad direction. We are going to talk quite a bit about drug use and abuse and his eventual death. So if you don't want to hear that, that's totally fine, but that will be present in this episode. But we're also going to have a lot of fun because this is The Blues Brothers and it's bonkers. So here are the details as always. The Blues Brothers is directed by John Landis, was written by Dan Aykroyd and John Landis. We're using the word written loosely.

• 10:49Lizzie Bassett?

  It stars John Belushi, Dan Aykroyd, Carrie Fisher, Aretha Franklin, Cab Calloway, Ray Charles, James Brown, and then 100 million cameos, John Candy, Steven Spielberg, Frank Oz, so, so, so many more. It was released in 1980, and here is the IMDb logline as always. Jake Blues rejoins his brother Elwood after being released from prison, but the duo has just days to reunite their old R&B band and save the Catholic home where the two were raised, outrunning the police as they tear through Chicago. I do love the Penguin. I love that sequence where she's just beating them with the rulers very, very much.

• 11:25Chris Winterbauer?

  I like when she dollies away from the door. Her name, Sister Mary Stigmata, I believe, is what the full name, the full character name from the credits is.

• 11:35Lizzie Bassett?

  Incredible. All right, couple of main sources for today. Vanity Fair's Soul Men, The Making of The Blues Brothers. There is a write-up on the production and stunts included with the Blu-ray and many articles and retrospectives as always. I do want to mention, we did use Bob Woodward's book Wired: The Short Life and Fast Times of John Belushi. Now, I want to note that we used this last source for anecdotes on how Belushi's drug use impacted the production, but it's worth noting that Woodward got just absolutely slammed by Belushi's family and friends for this book. People really felt like it reduced Belushi to his drug use. Hollywood historian Sean Levy called it painstakingly thorough, but often tone deaf. Aykroyd also was very unhappy with it, said he painted a portrait of John that was really inaccurate. This was my friend that was being besmirched.

• 12:18Lizzie Bassett?

  And then John's brother Jim Belushi put it the most bluntly, saying, Woodward, that cocksucker, that motherfucker, I don't think Woodward's capable of understanding what love is or compassion or relationships, he is one cold fish. So please know that we know that criticism about the source and took it with a Bob Woodward-sized grain of salt. But it was useful just because of the amount of people he spoke to and information that he had in that book. All right, let's start with John Belushi. So Belushi was born in 1949 in a suburb of?

• 12:47Chris Winterbauer?

  Chicago?

• 12:48Lizzie Bassett?

  Chicago. He had one older sister, two younger brothers. His mother, Agnes, a pharmacy worker, was a first-generation American born to Albanian parents. And his father had emigrated to the United States from Albania at 16 years old in 1934. And his father was a workaholic. He had worked his way up from a dishwasher in a restaurant to owning his own restaurant. And while this is obviously very impressive, it sounds like he was kind of never around, especially during the holidays, those were often the busiest times at the restaurants. And according to Belushi's wife Judy, who started dating him in high school, quote, "His parents never assimilated, and I think it was hard for John. Going to this all-American high school in the day and coming home to this very Albanian family in the evening, none of us in the neighborhood even knew what Albania was. John looked different from all of us, dark.

• 13:30Lizzie Bassett?

  And there was a joke that he was born with a beard, so he was self-conscious of his ethnicity, and he never brought people back to his home. He always went to other people's houses." So Belushi had a real knack, though, for winning people over. In high school, he was the co-captain and middle linebacker on the varsity football team, as well as the homecoming king. He played drums in a garage rock band called The Ravens, which recorded a record. He did great in school, he did variety shows, he could play anything. He did everything from a ballerina to Marlon Brando, and he was extremely popular. He briefly attended college, but then he tried out for Second City, which is, of course, the Chicago improv comedy machine that produces live shows, operates, I believe, the world's largest comedy training centers, and of course, has produced people like Steve Carell, Stephen Colbert, Tina Fey, Amy Poehler.

• 14:14Lizzie Bassett?

  But John didn't even have to train with the touring company first. He was hired directly into the main stage ensemble. And in 1972, he was hired by the National Lampoon to star in their off-Broadway stage shows. But just one year later, he was having a little bit of a hard time with some of the comedians performing with him at the National Lampoon, specifically Christopher Guest and famous, mean person, Chevy Chase.

• 14:36Chris Winterbauer?

  Chevy Chase, yeah. I had forgotten about Christopher Guest, but I remembered Chevy Chase. Yeah.

• 14:42Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah.

• 14:42Chris Winterbauer?

  What do you mean, I'm so easy to get along with?

• 14:44Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, according to zero people. But according to John's wife Judy, she said they had a private-school, put-down kind of humor, and John was an easy mark. He was from the Midwest, overweight, he hadn't graduated from college, he was ethnic. No, even better, he was Albanian. This was all good fodder. The dynamic with Chase did apparently continue into SNL. Even though they respected each other, it just sounds like Chevy Chase could be really cruel. But according to Ivan Reitman, who produced the National Lampoon show, he said, quote, "I tried to direct them, but they all laughed that off. They directed themselves, but while they didn't listen to me, they all listened to John." And according to The Guardian, people who knew Belushi in the early years described a warm and deeply loyal man, one who always tried to get jobs for his friends and was so gentle that if his cat fell asleep on his lap,

• 15:27Lizzie Bassett?

  he would be late for rehearsals rather than wake up his pet. So now, before we get into the SNL of it all, let's talk about Elwood Blues, aka Dan Aykroyd, who we have discussed a little bit on Ghostbusters. So this will be brief.

• 15:39Chris Winterbauer?

  Dan Aykroyd, as I always have to remind myself. I spell his name wrong every single time.

• 15:43Lizzie Bassett?

  Every time. I'm looking at it, it's spelled wrong right here.

• 15:45Chris Winterbauer?

  A Y.

• 15:45Lizzie Bassett?

  Yep.

• 15:45Chris Winterbauer?

  It's wrong, right? He's like, he's spelled it wrong for decades.

• 15:49Lizzie Bassett?

  It's wrong right in front of my face.

• 15:49Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 15:50Lizzie Bassett?

  So Aykroyd, Dan Aykroyd, was born in 1952 in Ottawa, Ontario. His dad was a civil engineer who was a policy advisor for Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau.

• 16:00Chris Winterbauer?

  And big into ghosts.

• 16:02Lizzie Bassett?

  And big into ghosts.

• 16:03Chris Winterbauer?

  Whole family, whole family, big into ghosts.

• 16:05Lizzie Bassett?

  I love their family.

• 16:06Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 16:06Lizzie Bassett?

  And his mom was a secretary. Now, according to Aykroyd, "My first passion was really just surviving in Ottawa, in the government town, as an upper-middle-class son of bureaucrats. I started to work on the Canadian National Railway unloading boxcars at 14, and I have not stopped working since." I just, he's just Ray Zelensky, the auto parts king in my head, always and forever, from Tommy Boy. He also started taking improv classes at 12 years old, at his parents' suggestion. Just like Belushi, he went to college, Carleton University in Ottawa, but he did not graduate. He did study criminology, though, with the intention of becoming what, Chris? Do you remember?

• 16:38Chris Winterbauer?

  No, was he going to be a detective?

• 16:39Lizzie Bassett?

  A prison guard.

• 16:40Chris Winterbauer?

  A prison guard, that's what it was.

• 16:42Lizzie Bassett?

  The goal was to be a prison guard.

• 16:44Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah. Carmella's grandfather was a prison guard.

• 16:46Lizzie Bassett?

  Oh.

• 16:47Chris Winterbauer?

  After the war for a long time.

• 16:49Lizzie Bassett?

  Oh, wow.

• 16:49Chris Winterbauer?

  Up in Northern California.

• 16:50Lizzie Bassett?

  Damn.

• 16:51Chris Winterbauer?

  Yes.

• 16:52Lizzie Bassett?

  Those are scary prisons.

• 16:53Chris Winterbauer?

  I can't remember the name of the prison. It was an intense one, but he actually ran, at one point, he ran the prison basketball league.

• 16:59Lizzie Bassett?

  All right.

• 17:00Chris Winterbauer?

  Which I thought was pretty cool.

• 17:01Lizzie Bassett?

  That is cool.

• 17:01Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 17:02Lizzie Bassett?

  So while in college, he started frequenting Le Ébou, a local club that featured all the top touring soul, R&B, and blues acts. And it was here that, of course, he developed his lifelong obsession with the blues. An obsession may not be a strong enough word, Chris. It has been described as encyclopedic and monomaniacal. Unlike Belushi, though, Aykroyd was not sprinting towards a comedy career. He drove a mail truck. He was happy where he was, until his friend Valerie Bromfield, who he would later form a comedy duo with, told him he could dream a little bigger than mail truck driving and prison guarding. So he dropped out of college, started performing at the local comedy clubs. And just behind Belushi, in 1973, he joined Second City's brand-new Toronto branch. And by the way, it's thanks to Valerie that he ever even left Ottawa.

• 17:44Lizzie Bassett?

  According to him, he would have been happy working as a prison guard for the rest of his life, and she really pushed him into the comedy career.

• 17:50Chris Winterbauer?

  Captive audience, as they say.

• 17:52Lizzie Bassett?

  That's true. He would have been a funny prison guard.

• 17:56Lizzie Bassett?

  Just what you want.

• 17:57Chris Winterbauer?

  Which could have been cruel and unusual punishment at the end of the day.

• 18:00Lizzie Bassett?

  Maybe. No, it might be nice.

• 18:02Chris Winterbauer?

  Might be.

• 18:03Lizzie Bassett?

  All right, now we're caught up. It's 1973, Aykroyd is about 21 years old, and he had just opened up his own speakeasy called the 505 Club in Toronto. It opened at 1:00 AM, because of course, he worked nights doing shows. And one night, he was unwinding after a show, and 24-year-old John Belushi came barreling into the bar. They had met earlier that night backstage at Second City, and according to Aykroyd, it was love at first sight. Belushi had traveled to Toronto to poach talent for the National Lampoon Radio Hour in New York City, which, of course, he was working on. And so he asked Aykroyd if he was interested in joining them, and Aykroyd said, no. He's like, I'm happy in Canada, and besides, I'm under contract at Second City, like, I can't leave. But they got to talking, and Aykroyd is like, do you like the blues? And Belushi said, no, he didn't really care. And so Aykroyd is like, let me play you every single blues record ever recorded.

• 18:48Lizzie Bassett?

  And he did. And then, of course, the seed was planted. Now, about two years later, they would come together again when they were both hired to join the original cast of what?

• 18:56Chris Winterbauer?

  Saturday Night Live.

• 18:58Lizzie Bassett?

  Saturday Night Live.

• 18:59Chris Winterbauer?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:59Lizzie Bassett?

  Interestingly, Belushi was a bit of a holdout. He was hesitant to do it because TV was kind of considered a death knell for comedians at the time, but he did eventually come around. But on October 11, 1975, SNL debuted, and that, of course, changed forever. And John Belushi stood out immediately as one of the show's earliest and biggest stars. Pretty much everyone loved him, interestingly, except for maybe the women who worked on the show. I did not know this, but he would reportedly refuse to perform in any scenes written by women. Jane Curtin flat-out said that his behavior was really sexist. It's interesting, because in every other description of him, he's a very, you know, he's such a nice, lovable guy, but there is, there's that one thing. Anyway, after tapings, the cast would all hang out at the Holland Tunnel Blues Bar, a private club that Dan Aykroyd had rented.

• 19:42Lizzie Bassett?

  How many private speakeasies does Dan Aykroyd own? He's like 22, 23 at this point, and he has several.

• 19:48Chris Winterbauer?

  He's got that milkman money.

• 19:49Lizzie Bassett?

  I guess. At this club, he and Belushi would jam. They would sit in with local blues bands coming through town, and reportedly, it was the OG musical director for SNL, Howard Shore, who told them they should call themselves The Blues Brothers. And of course, from here, Jake and Elwood Blues began to take shape. According to Aykroyd, "We were inspired by John Lee Hooker's House of Blues record. He had the suit and the shades, who wouldn't want to look that cool? We put on a suit and tie and ended up looking like FBI agents. It was a universal look that worked so well."

• 20:18Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 20:20Chris Winterbauer?

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• 24:43Lizzie Bassett?

  Now, contrary to popular belief, the Blues Brothers were not developed for SNL, which I did not know. It's because they were not pretending to be a band. As far as they were concerned, they were a band. And because they were a band for realsies, at least in their own beautiful and semi-delusional minds, they asked Lorne Michaels to let them perform on SNL. And he was like, "No." "What?" "No."

• 25:04Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 25:05Lizzie Bassett?

  "What?"

• 25:06Chris Winterbauer?

  "No."

• 25:07Lizzie Bassett?

  "No."

• 25:07Chris Winterbauer?

  "What?" "No."

• 25:09Lizzie Bassett?

  But eventually, he compromised by allowing them to perform on January 17, 1976, as part of the show's running Killer Bee's sketch, playing the Blues song "I'm a King Bee" alongside Howard Shore and his All Bee Band. And of course, everybody was dressed in Bee costumes. Have you ever seen this? It's so weird. It's really strange. It's not funny. It's just, they're very serious. They're just all dressed like Bees. Anyway, it did not take off. But they kept performing around town. And by the second season of SNL, Belushi was an enormous star, arguably the biggest star on the show. And the fame had come with a lot of late nights, a lot of attention, and of course, drug use. Meanwhile, some of his old buddies from the National Lampoon had written a script about a college frat house. But Universal told them,

• 25:52Lizzie Bassett?

  "Unless you get John Belushi in this cast, we are not making it." Now, of course, this film is Animal House. And according to Animal House director and co-writer John Landis, quote, "So I went to New York to persuade him. We met in my hotel and during the meeting, Belushi makes a call down to room service. Soon after he left and suddenly, all these waiters walk in with plates and plates of food, spaghetti, shrimp cocktail, pie, everything on the menu. It was like something out of a Marx Brothers movie." But it was not the plates of food that sealed the deal for Belushi. It was the fact that Universal tentatively agreed to develop another movie for him in return, one following Jake and Elwood Blues. And this was a big deal because this was the first time that actual SNL characters, characters, at least in this case, that had sort of appeared on SNL, would jump to the big screen.

• 26:35Lizzie Bassett?

  Of course, not the first time that a performer would do it. Bill Murray had done it. Belushi was doing it. Chevy Chase had done it. And in July of 1978, John Landis's National Lampoon's Animal House became an enormous surprise hit, grossing over $120 million. We will cover it at some point, I'm sure. And everyone loved Belushi's performance as Bluto. Chris, how would you describe it?

• 26:57Chris Winterbauer?

  I mean, it's the opposite of Blues Brothers in so many ways, in my opinion, right? He's outlandish, huge.

• 27:03Lizzie Bassett?

  He's huge, but he's also like weirdly quiet. Apparently, John Landis would just keep taking lines away from him because he was so funny physically and what he could do.

• 27:11Chris Winterbauer?

  Sure. It's a physical comedy performance, sure. I always remember the pimple thing. Like, I just, to me, it's like the Blues Brothers, the joke of the Blues Brothers, these two like taciturn. You know what I mean? You hardly get anything more than a reaction out of them, which is what makes, like, they are the straight men to everybody else in the movie.

• 27:27Lizzie Bassett?

  Right.

• 27:28Chris Winterbauer?

  Which is ultimately why I don't have a problem with the structure of recruiting the Blues artists in this movie is they're ultimately platforming them.

• 27:34Lizzie Bassett?

  I feel the same way.

• 27:36Chris Winterbauer?

  All to say, sure, quiet, but the weirdo, sort of, you know?

• 27:40Lizzie Bassett?

  Exactly.

• 27:40Chris Winterbauer?

  Big, physical performer.

• 27:41Lizzie Bassett?

  Well, he was a huge hit coming out of this movie. Everyone loved him, but he was exhausted. He was shuttling back and forth between New York City, where he was still performing on SNL, and Oregon, where Animal House was being filmed. And the drugs were starting to become a necessity at this point just to be able to keep up with the amount of work that he was doing. Or at least, that's the way that he felt about it. Meanwhile, Belushi and Aykroyd had started warming up the SNL audience as the Blues Brothers. And they were a hit. So finally, Lorne Michaels agreed to let them perform on air. And on April 22, 1978, Jake and Elwood made their official SNL debut, performing "Hey Bartender" and "I Don't Know." And the audience loved it, but they were also confused. It wasn't a joke.

• 28:20Chris Winterbauer?

  No.

• 28:21Lizzie Bassett?

  But was it a joke?

• 28:22Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 28:22Lizzie Bassett?

  It's kind of funny, but they seem really serious.

• 28:25Chris Winterbauer?

  Every once in a while, I feel like Tenacious D falls into a similar thing where you, because they're really good.

• 28:31Lizzie Bassett?

  Right. They're genuinely good.

• 28:32Chris Winterbauer?

  But Tenacious D leans more comedy. But every once in a while, they'll do a song and you think, huh, that was kind of just a good song. I don't know what to feel about this.

• 28:40Lizzie Bassett?

  Was that a joke?

• 28:40Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 28:41Lizzie Bassett?

  I don't think that was a joke. Yeah. No one knew what to make of it.

• 28:44Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah, it does feel very alt comedy, in a sense, but it really blurs a line.

• 28:49Lizzie Bassett?

  But they're also just good.

• 28:50Chris Winterbauer?

  They're just good.

• 28:51Lizzie Bassett?

  They're just good. They're just fun.

• 28:52Chris Winterbauer?

  They are.

• 28:52Lizzie Bassett?

  And someone who agreed with us is Steve Martin, who after the show, asked them to open for him at his nine-night show in Los Angeles at the Universal Amphitheater, which, by the way, doesn't exist anymore. It was torn down to make The Wizarding World of Harry Potter. Boo. But it had a capacity of over 6,000 people. Sorry, those rides make me want to vomit.

• 29:10Chris Winterbauer?

  I've never been.

• 29:10Lizzie Bassett?

  And that butter beer was disgusting, but children love it.

• 29:13Chris Winterbauer?

  Never been.

• 29:15Lizzie Bassett?

  Belushi and Aykroyd were stoked. They said, absolutely, Wilt. Of course we'll open nine nights of your show. There was just one problem, Chris. What do you think their one problem was?

• 29:25Chris Winterbauer?

  Will they have to get out of their SNL contract to go to nine nights?

• 29:28Lizzie Bassett?

  No.

• 29:29Chris Winterbauer?

  They don't have nine nights worth of material?

• 29:30Lizzie Bassett?

  No.

• 29:31Chris Winterbauer?

  I don't know.

• 29:31Lizzie Bassett?

  They don't have a band.

• 29:32Chris Winterbauer?

  Oh, okay. Fair enough. Yeah.

• 29:33Lizzie Bassett?

  They have no band.

• 29:34Chris Winterbauer?

  Howard Shore, you want to come too?

• 29:36Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, well, so actually Paul Shaffer was the one who compiled a list for them of highly skilled and of course expensive musicians who could do this for them on the tight timeline that they had. And so John Belushi started cold calling these guys at like three in the morning. And here's an example of how this would go. This is John Belushi, he told Steve Cropper, who by the way, Rolling Stone named number 36 on their list of the greatest guitarists of all time. So these are not like small time folks.

• 29:58Chris Winterbauer?

  Who actually played with like Wilson Pickett and stuff.

• 30:01Lizzie Bassett?

  All of these guys did.

• 30:02Chris Winterbauer?

  Is the joke. Yeah, exactly. When they do the Wilson Pickett number. Yeah.

• 30:05Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah. So we're putting a band together. I need you here tomorrow. There's no way, Cropper replied. I'm mixing an album. I gotta have you. No way. I can't do it. I gotta have you. And of course, this would continue for hours and Belushi would wear them all down. Within days, the team had assembled in New York City to rehearse. Meanwhile, Belushi's cocaine use was majorly ramping up. And on September 1st, he and John Landis, reportedly at Landis's suggestion, checked into La Costa, a famous health spa outside San Diego. Landis was quite pissed to discover that Belushi had brought over a thousand dollars worth of cocaine with him. And when Landis discovered it, he threw it out and Belushi was furious. But on September 9th, 1978, the Blues Brothers went ahead and opened for Steve Martin, and they were an enormous hit.

• 30:47Lizzie Bassett?

  Everything happened very fast from this point forward. They signed a deal with Atlantic Records, recorded a whole live album at one of these shows, briefcase full of blues. Within five days of that album's release, 50,000 copies had been sold. It went double platinum. So on January 24th, 1979, John Belushi turned 30 years old, and he had a number one album, a number one TV show, and a number one movie. So he turned to his Blues brother and said, I say we make the thing into a movie. And Dan Aykroyd agreed. So word got out that Belushi and Aykroyd wanted to turn the Blues Brothers into a feature and an all out bidding war ensued. Paramount and Universal were the most aggressive. Universal ends up winning thanks to the Animal House connection. And of course, they had made him the original development deal.

• 31:30Chris Winterbauer?

  So they didn't have an exclusive option on the development deal? That's so weird.

• 31:35Lizzie Bassett?

  It is and it isn't. I feel like they said that just to get him in Animal House.

• 31:39Chris Winterbauer?

  Right. So maybe it was just a development deal vaguely. Yeah, not.

• 31:43Lizzie Bassett?

  Because like, think about the pitch. It doesn't make any sense. It's insane. And the Blues Brothers hadn't taken off. Then they take off independently. And now they're like, oh, remember, we're doing this.

• 31:51Chris Winterbauer?

  Well, and ownership would theoretically remain with, I mean, I'm assuming SNL, Lorne Michaels, there's some involvement. Must be.

• 31:58Lizzie Bassett?

  I don't think so, because they were performing independently before SNL. So I believe this is all Aykroyd and Belushi, separate from SNL. Now, the director was a no brainer. It would be 29 year old Animal House director, John Landis. And Universal put the movie on a lightning fast track. They wanted it immediately. So they said yes to basically everything, Chris, something they would come to regret.

• 32:20Chris Winterbauer?

  Sure.

• 32:22Lizzie Bassett?

  In fact, Sean Daniel, the exec who had greenlit the film at Universal, didn't even formally discuss the decision with Ned Tannen, the studio film division's president, or Lou Wasserman, the owner of Universal. Daniel reportedly just called Tannen and said, Belushi, Aykroyd, Blues Brothers, how about it? And Tannen said, yeah, great. I'll tell Lou. And that was it. Belushi's salary was set at $500,000. Aykroyd got $250,000. So that should tell you how big a star John Belushi was at this point. Universal wanted the film made for $12 million, while Landis, Aykroyd, and Belushi estimated somewhere closer to 20 million. And they were all wrong, as we're gonna learn.

• 32:57Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 32:58Lizzie Bassett?

  Universal also wanted the movie to be finished, as in shot, edited, everything by August of 1979, which was six months away. Insane. Like, why? Why would you do that?

• 33:09Chris Winterbauer?

  No, no.

• 33:10Lizzie Bassett?

  In addition to this being essentially impossible and very ambitious for a movie with as many crazy set pieces as this has, there was a bigger problem, which is that there were no set pieces because there was no script. So Belushi begged his friend, music journalist Mitch Glazer, to partner up with Aykroyd to write the script, but Glazer declined. He didn't want to step on Dan Aykroyd's toes. This was clearly Aykroyd's passion project. But Aykroyd, who was at this point an Emmy winning writer for SNL, as well as one of its most popular performers, had never in his whole life written a screenplay. You can tell.

• 33:40Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 33:40Lizzie Bassett?

  And so he decided to take a crack at his first with the Blues Brothers. And one day, Chris, in March of 1979, the phone rang at producer Bob Weiss's house. Be on your property tonight, said the caller. And sure enough, that evening, a package flew over Weiss's fence and into his backyard. And wrapped inside the covers of the LA Yellow Pages was a screenplay titled The Return of the Blues Brothers. It was, according to the script itself, written by Scriptatron GL9000, aka Dan Aykroyd.

• 34:08Chris Winterbauer?

  Dan Aykroyd. So wonderfully odd.

• 34:12Lizzie Bassett?

  He's a strange man. I love him. He liked thinking of himself as a writing machine. So that's the credit.

• 34:17Chris Winterbauer?

  He's hallucinating it about the rate of chat GPT on this one, so.

• 34:20Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes. That's true. So Weiss called up Sean Daniel and was like, great news. The first draft finally got here. And then he's like, that's the only good news. The bad news is, do you want to guess how many pages this first draft was?

• 34:32Chris Winterbauer?

  I know one of his Ghostbusters scripts was like seven million. I think maybe it was the first Ghostbusters. I can't remember if it was one or two, but I'm going to guess. Okay, so let's assume it's formatted properly.

• 34:41Lizzie Bassett?

  Oh, it's not.

• 34:42Chris Winterbauer?

  I know. I'm just saying from like a spacing perspective.

• 34:45Lizzie Bassett?

  Sure.

• 34:45Chris Winterbauer?

  I'm going to guess it's like 190 pages.

• 34:48Lizzie Bassett?

  It's 324 pages long.

• 34:50Chris Winterbauer?

  There you go. Exactly. That's insane.

• 34:52Lizzie Bassett?

  Like you write a first draft of a script. It's messy, but it's loose. How long is it?

• 34:55Chris Winterbauer?

  If it's over 120 pages, I'm sending a very carefully worded preamble about how I know it needs to get shorter. So.

• 35:04Lizzie Bassett?

  324.

• 35:05Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 35:06Lizzie Bassett?

  It was written basically in free verse.

• 35:09Chris Winterbauer?

  Right.

• 35:09Lizzie Bassett?

  It had long, elaborate.

• 35:11Chris Winterbauer?

  It's a novel.

• 35:11Lizzie Bassett?

  It's a novel. It's a novelization.

• 35:14Chris Winterbauer?

  He's written the novelization of the movie Blues Brothers, which hasn't come out yet.

• 35:18Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah. It had long, elaborate meta backstories for each of the characters.

• 35:22Chris Winterbauer?

  This is what he did with Ghostbusters. One of the Ghostbusters two, I'm sorry, I'm blanking on which one, but I think it was probably the first one. But yes, he would just, it was like free associative sort of writing.

• 35:31Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes, it's free verse. It's, you know, it's like slam poetry, basically, but it's a movie.

• 35:36Chris Winterbauer?

  Slam poetry.

• 35:37Lizzie Bassett?

  Well, and Chris, he had two, I think, you know, totally understandable touchstones when writing the film. And those were, of course, Bernardo Bertolucci's five hour long 1900 and Stanley Kubrick's Barry Lyndon, which what else would you think of when trying to write The Blues Brothers?

• 35:50Chris Winterbauer?

  Barry Lyndon does.

• 35:51Lizzie Bassett?

  That makes more sense.

• 35:52Chris Winterbauer?

  It's funny. I would not have put the Bertolucci film, it never came to mind, but Barry Lyndon came to mind while I was watching this because it is a bit of a pickersque story.

• 36:01Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah.

• 36:01Chris Winterbauer?

  But then also, obviously this hadn't, but also Bullet came to mind, the French connection just for the car stuff, obviously.

• 36:09Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah. All to say, it was a mess. Probably a delightful mess, but an absolute mess.

• 36:14Chris Winterbauer?

  I bet you it was a lot of fun to read for the first 100 pages. And then you just went, oh, fuck.

• 36:22Lizzie Bassett?

  So Universal called up John Landis and they were just like, you need to fix this. So John Landis locked himself away for two weeks and cut it down into a 150 page, somewhat usable script. But Chris, it still didn't even have stage directions at 150 pages. Meanwhile, he's dealing with Dan Aykroyd, who's haggling with him about like, we need to have a scene explaining the magical qualities of the Bluesmobile. And John Landis is like, sure, whatever. I don't care. I'm going to cut it later. Just do it. Fine. Like, whatever. Landis was mostly editing. He did add some pretty important things, though. He added the four fried chickens and a Coke line, which was based on John Belushi's actual order. He saw him eat four fried chickens and a Coke at one point. And he added the entire we're on a mission from God bit because Aykroyd's dedication to the blues was in fact evangelical. Carrie Fisher was cast as Jake's ex-girlfriend,

• 37:07Lizzie Bassett?

  but in real life, of course, she was dating Dan Aykroyd. The two were engaged. She was a huge star. She was riding the Star Wars fame. Empire Strikes Back would also be released just a month before The Blues Brothers. Now, obviously, she and Aykroyd would not stay together, but it sounds like they had a lot of fun while they were dating. Following her death in 2016, Aykroyd wrote her a tribute in Empire, saying, one of the most brilliant and hilarious minds of our eon. Carrie would say things like, I love tiny babies. When they cry, they turn red and look like screaming tomatoes. Or, this romance is finished the second you let out even a threep. I'll be sick for a year. And, you have a jawline. Hold your chin up, otherwise you look like a tuna. From then on, I would identify myself on the phone as tuna neck. Aykroyd also said, Carrie wasn't shallow. We had a great time. She was also in love with Paul Simon. She married him, but I hope she kept my ring.

• 37:51Chris Winterbauer?

  And it didn't go well with Paul Simon.

• 37:53Lizzie Bassett?

  If you gotta choose between Dan Aykroyd and Paul Simon, you gotta choose Dan Aykroyd every time.

• 37:58Chris Winterbauer?

  Well, because Paul Simon also chooses Paul Simon.

• 38:00Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah.

• 38:00Chris Winterbauer?

  So you can't, you can't choose Paul Simon.

• 38:03Lizzie Bassett?

  No. Now, she famously had her own struggles with addiction, later saying, slowly, I realized I was doing a bit more drugs than other people and losing my choice in the matter. If I'd been addicted to booze, I'd be dead now because you just go out and get it. Now, while on set, Belushi apparently did confide in her that he too had a problem. When it came to the rest of the cast, the goal was to absolutely stack it with the best musicians the Blues had ever seen. Now, the band was, of course, their actual band that they had assembled, performed and recorded with, including Steve the Colonel Cropper, as we mentioned, one of the greatest guitar players of all time. Saxophonist Lou Marini, incredible session musician, solo artist, core member of the SNL Band. Trombonist and saxophonist Tom Malone, again, just insane. He'd played with Frank Zappa and the Band, also was a member of the OG SNL Band.

• 38:47Lizzie Bassett?

  Drummer Willie Hall, played on a bajillion albums and tours, probably most famous outside of The Blues Brothers for his work with Isaac Hayes. Matt Guitar Murphy, legendary Blues guitarist, who was inducted into the Blues Hall of Fame in 2012. And then keyboardist Murphy Dunn, who was a friend of Belushi's and also a former Second City member himself. And he actually took over the role because Paul Shaffer was not allowed to leave SNL to do it. So that makes me think that SNL was definitely not part of this. Aykroyd insisted on casting James Brown, Cab Calloway, Ray Charles and Aretha Franklin in speaking parts with whole musical numbers built around them. And Landis was happy to do it. Universal was not. One, because they're like, this is not gonna be a $12 million movie. This is gonna push the budget way higher.

• 39:30Lizzie Bassett?

  And also because, believe it or not, at the time, they felt like nobody would care about those names. They wanted younger and more, quote unquote, relevant acts. Ray Charles was the only one at that time who even had a regular gig. And you have to remember that, as Landis put it, quote, "In 1979, rhythm blues and Motown was in decline and the popular music was disco. People ask, how did you get all those amazing acts? We called them up. The whole point of the movie was to showcase these extraordinary artists."

• 39:56Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah, I mean, it would have been harder to get like ABBA, you know?

• 39:58Lizzie Bassett?

  That's the biggest.

• 39:58Chris Winterbauer?

  Or the Bee Gees, for example, because those are the big names.

• 40:01Lizzie Bassett?

  Those are literally the two biggest bands.

• 40:03Chris Winterbauer?

  And so you think about Cab Calloway. I mean, I love, obviously, we did The Cotton Club earlier this year. And, you know, you have the Minnie the Mooch performance here, which is so fun. But Cab Calloway, when was the last time he had a number one hit? I mean, he's-

• 40:17Lizzie Bassett?

  Minnie the Moocher, probably.

• 40:19Chris Winterbauer?

  Do you think he's in his, is he in his 70s in this movie? Late 60s, something like that, you know?

• 40:24Lizzie Bassett?

  I think 70s.

• 40:25Chris Winterbauer?

  Obviously Franklin more recently, and then Charles after that. But yeah. What I think is so fun about it is it shows the timeless quality of this music as well. And it fits in seamlessly in this movie in so many ways.

• 40:37Lizzie Bassett?

  Well, we teased this a little bit at the top. In case you're wondering if anybody criticized the optics of this at the time, you know, two white guys singing and playing the blues opposite a sea of, of course, African-American performers, the answer is yes. Many feared that the film was exploitative, although Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles and James Brown have all vehemently disagreed with that. Because they said this was an enormous career revival for them, for all of them. Their careers were in a decline at this point. And like I said, I couldn't really tell how I felt when I was watching it, but the more research I did, I land on the side of this being truly a tribute and not exploitative at all. Especially because, you kind of pointed this out, but like, John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd basically just get out of their way.

• 41:18Chris Winterbauer?

  They do for most of it.

• 41:19Lizzie Bassett?

  For almost all of it.

• 41:20Chris Winterbauer?

  They'll join in the dancing eventually, you know, but you think about James Brown's scene, Aretha Franklin's scene, that's just her scene.

• 41:26Lizzie Bassett?

  They're not even in there.

• 41:27Chris Winterbauer?

  And it's just fun at one point when just randomly Belushi and Aykroyd start doing the choreography with the other women. Like, that's fun. It's a nice, like, garnish on the dish.

• 41:36Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah.

• 41:36Chris Winterbauer?

  But I would argue they actually do a very good job of seeding the stage overall.

• 41:41Lizzie Bassett?

  I agree. I think they do a great job of it. And not only did they, of course, leverage their actual stardom to showcase all of these musicians, again, many of whom had seen major decline in their careers by this point. But the real kicker for me is that Dan Aykroyd secured publishing rights for all of the performers in this film. They all made a shit ton of money off of this.

• 42:00Chris Winterbauer?

  Great.

• 42:00Lizzie Bassett?

  For the rest of their lives, their estates continue to make money, and that was non-negotiable for him.

• 42:05Chris Winterbauer?

  And I love ABBA. I'm not a huge Bee Gees fan. I love ABBA. This movie's not very great with, with ABBA.

• 42:10Lizzie Bassett?

  No.

• 42:11Chris Winterbauer?

  But like, it just, it needs to be the Blues.

• 42:13Lizzie Bassett?

  It's The Blues Brothers, of course.

• 42:15Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 42:15Lizzie Bassett?

  Now, despite these folks having been massive stars in their prime, it sounds like they've worked, for the most part, pretty easy to work with and very happy to be there. Aretha Franklin did struggle with the lip syncing because that's not something she ever did. She never sang the same song the same way twice. And so if you watch it knowing that, her lips don't match.

• 42:32Chris Winterbauer?

  It's like she's too good live.

• 42:34Lizzie Bassett?

  She's too good. Nothing matches.

• 42:36Chris Winterbauer?

  I know, no.

• 42:36Lizzie Bassett?

  I think they just gave up at a certain point.

• 42:38Chris Winterbauer?

  It's fine. It's a Sergio Leone scene.

• 42:40Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes, that's what it looks like. It's a good, the bad and the ugly. But she was apparently not a diva. She did her best. I think she's one of the funniest parts of the movie. That's my favorite musical number of the whole thing, I think. It's so good.

• 42:50Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 42:50Lizzie Bassett?

  Cab Calloway actually wanted to perform Minnie the Moocher as a disco number because he had recently rerecorded it and was releasing it as that. He was pretty pissed when John Landis wouldn't let him and insisted that it be performed in the original big band fashion.

• 43:03Chris Winterbauer?

  That's my favorite musical number.

• 43:04Lizzie Bassett?

  It's so good.

• 43:05Chris Winterbauer?

  Is when he says, do you know Minnie the Moocher?

• 43:06Lizzie Bassett?

  The stage.

• 43:07Chris Winterbauer?

  Immediately the curtains open and the whole set has been redone in The Cotton Club style. I love that. I also just love it because I feel like you can see the extras really getting into the call and response.

• 43:18Lizzie Bassett?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:18Chris Winterbauer?

  And it shows the power of 50 years later, that piece of music, it still retains its potency.

• 43:25Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah.

• 43:26Chris Winterbauer?

  And him as a performer, he still has that charisma to get them into it this much.

• 43:30Lizzie Bassett?

  He's great.

• 43:30Chris Winterbauer?

  So I love that number.

• 43:31Lizzie Bassett?

  I actually, I think out of all of the musicians that appear in this, he is probably the most successful as like an actor in the movie.

• 43:38Chris Winterbauer?

  He's good, yeah.

• 43:38Lizzie Bassett?

  He's really good.

• 43:39Chris Winterbauer?

  Well, he reminded me of like, you know, Scatman in The Shining, for example, or something like that, so.

• 43:44Lizzie Bassett?

  Definitely.

• 43:47Lizzie Bassett?

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• 44:29Lizzie Bassett?

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• 44:57Lizzie Bassett?

  One last fun fact about Ray Charles's scene is that the dancers in that sequence are not professional dancers at all.

• 45:03Chris Winterbauer?

  Oh, wow.

• 45:04Lizzie Bassett?

  They are random people that the crew just asked to come and be in the scene.

• 45:08Chris Winterbauer?

  They do a great job.

• 45:08Lizzie Bassett?

  Well, the reason was John Landis was like, Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi are not professional dancers.

• 45:13Chris Winterbauer?

  No, they are not.

• 45:13Lizzie Bassett?

  So if we put them next to professional dancers, they're not gonna look great. And so they just went and grabbed random people. So that's what that scene is. And you know what? It's great.

• 45:22Chris Winterbauer?

  And you know what? Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi, still pretty good.

• 45:26Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes.

• 45:26Chris Winterbauer?

  Like, they're doing a lot better than I would.

• 45:28Lizzie Bassett?

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:28Chris Winterbauer?

  To be fair.

• 45:28Lizzie Bassett?

  Dan Aykroyd's little, like, knee dance thing he does at the end. Yeah.

• 45:32Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah. He ripped off from some Eastern European Jewish family or something.

• 45:36Lizzie Bassett?

  Fiddler on the Roof, yeah, absolutely.

• 45:37Chris Winterbauer?

  From Fiddler on the Roof, exactly.

• 45:39Lizzie Bassett?

  So filming kicked off in Chicago in July of 1979. And as we learned on The Dark Knight, Chicago will basically let you do whatever the hell you want.

• 45:47Chris Winterbauer?

  How many Cap gass you need? A baker's dozen?

• 45:49Lizzie Bassett?

  How many caps you need?

• 45:51Chris Winterbauer?

  Two baker's dozen?

• 45:52Lizzie Bassett?

  According to Landis, we were allowed to film things on a scope and scale that has rarely been done before in the center of a large city. Now, a fun fact is that the Chicago Film Office was founded in 1980, I believe, as a response to The Blues Brothers.

• 46:05Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 46:06Lizzie Bassett?

  Perhaps they realized they needed some regulation after what we're about to talk about. Action scenes were filmed on Sundays and holidays, so the city center would be as empty as possible. Universal hired 76 police officers to drive squad cars and direct traffic. They also hired 40 stunt drivers, because yes, Chris, basically all of the stunts you see in this film, with like one or two exceptions, are real. They had about 13 Bluesmobiles. Two were built to go as fast as possible. Three were built to be as light as possible for all the jumps. Another was rigged with a lever for that moment when the whole car falls apart on cue at the end.

• 46:37Chris Winterbauer?

  Great moment.

• 46:38Lizzie Bassett?

  So funny.

• 46:38Chris Winterbauer?

  Great job, special effects team.

• 46:40Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, it was great. They said it took forever and was very expensive, but it looks wonderful. They also bought around 60 to 70 old police cars.

• 46:47Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah, for the pileup.

• 46:48Lizzie Bassett?

  For the pileup. And they used some actual police officers in those chase sequences. I'm, they're just like, you guys wanna drive your own cars?

• 46:56Chris Winterbauer?

  The funniest joke involving the police and the military is just that hut, hut, hut, hut, hut, hut, hut, hut, hut.

• 47:02Lizzie Bassett?

  The SWAT team members scaling down the building.

• 47:04Chris Winterbauer?

  Everybody and like doing the army crawl, hut, hut, hut, hut, hut, hut. But when they all crashed their cars and then out of frustration, they just all pulled their guns out and decided to just open fire on the Bluesmobile. It is a very funny send-up of, like, the destructiveness of police chases in general.

• 47:22Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes.

• 47:22Chris Winterbauer?

  Which is, you know, the joke is, just let them go.

• 47:25Lizzie Bassett?

  Right.

• 47:26Chris Winterbauer?

  Like, somebody else will catch them.

• 47:27Lizzie Bassett?

  You're literally destroying the entire city of Chicago in order to go get these guys.

• 47:31Chris Winterbauer?

  Which also shout out The Other Guys, does a pretty good job of that as well.

• 47:35Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, I love that movie. Now, you may see that supposedly The Blues Brothers holds the record for destroying the most cars of any movie. They say over 100. John Landis says it's a lot lower than that because they actually had a 24-hour body shop on retainer and they were just recycling these cars. They were just fixing them as soon as they were destroyed. So I don't know how safe that was, but they didn't destroy 100 cars. But they destroyed a lot. So Landis was struggling with the scope of the film from the very beginning. He said that most of the crew couldn't even figure out what kind of movie it was. He said, I told some of the crew, this is a musical, and they were so confused. They didn't know what the fuck we were making.

• 48:10Chris Winterbauer?

  I don't, I mean-

• 48:11Lizzie Bassett?

  I don't know what the fuck you were making and I just watched it.

• 48:14Chris Winterbauer?

  There are some rules. It doesn't seem like there's really score. All the music's either needle drops or like diegetically performed songs. And so like, I guess that's a rule. The opening of this movie is so tonally strange. It's just, I forgot too, it's just-

• 48:25Lizzie Bassett?

  Silent.

• 48:26Chris Winterbauer?

  Silent Blade Runner shots of Midwest factories, followed by Joliet Prison, you know, and then-

• 48:33Lizzie Bassett?

  And John Belushi backlit like he's stepping out of heaven. Yeah.

• 48:36Chris Winterbauer?

  Exactly. The light of God behind him. It's so unusual.

• 48:39Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah. Like you're saying, it's a very strange dichotomy. You have these massive musical numbers, replete with dancers and acrobatics. And on the other hand, you have one of the most insane car chase sequences ever put to film, which is of course, the one at the very end. So let's talk about it. 200 police and production assistants manned basically every entrance to, did you notice this? What drive were they on?

• 49:01Chris Winterbauer?

  Lower Whacker Drive.

• 49:02Lizzie Bassett?

  Lower Whacker Drive, back from the dark night. They obviously had to seal that off in order to film that sequence. They did get permission to drive down Lake at more than 100 miles per hour.

• 49:13Chris Winterbauer?

  Some of the POV shots of, there's a stunt car, right? They're doing the POV shots and then they'll do a reverse on Belushi and Aykroyd. At first I thought, oh, it's sped up.

• 49:23Lizzie Bassett?

  No.

• 49:23Chris Winterbauer?

  And then you see the cross traffic moving at a normal speed and you realize, oh shit, they're going so fast, nearly clip other cars so many times. I, I mean, just the number of times I thought someone was gonna get hit in the mall sequence.

• 49:39Lizzie Bassett?

  The mall sequence is crazy. We will talk about that.

• 49:42Chris Winterbauer?

  The number of flips on the freeway, John Candy's car with Steven Williams going into the side of the semi truck. I mean, it's so funny, but also I would have a heart attack on this movie because I would be so terrified on every stunt that somebody's gonna, I mean, at minimum suffer some life altering injury.

• 50:00Lizzie Bassett?

  Well, John Landis doesn't feel that way, Chris. You know, you, you mentioned that the reason you can tell they're going over 100 miles per hour is because you can see the other cars and pedestrians. They actually shot that sequence once. John Landis went back, looked at it and he was like, no, people are gonna think we sped this up in post. I want them to know we didn't. That's why there's people walking. There's stunt pedestrians on either side of the street because he wanted you to be able to tell.

• 50:23Chris Winterbauer?

  And they're not just on the other side of the street.

• 50:24Lizzie Bassett?

  No, they're in front of the car.

• 50:25Chris Winterbauer?

  Cross cyclists that nearly get hit, you know? It's crazy.

• 50:29Lizzie Bassett?

  Worth it, says John Landis. So in order to film the scene with the pileup of police cars, they actually drilled holes into the street to install a pipe ramp and it would basically just flip the car on its axis if it hit the right point. There were wooden ramps that gave car jumps extra height and power. Yes, they did really drive through multiple buildings in this movie. There is of course, the Dixie Square Mall in Harvey, Illinois, which had been shut down for over a year at the time of filming. Evidently it had closed because crime had become quite rampant in the mall, both while it was open and after it had closed, including multiple murders. Production designer John J. Lloyd rebuilt about 32 stores inside the mall to make it look like a shopping center. It looks great.

• 51:10Chris Winterbauer?

  It looks great, but the amount of breakaway glass that's going-

• 51:13Lizzie Bassett?

  Oh, it's crazy.

• 51:13Chris Winterbauer?

  It's mind boggling to me.

• 51:16Lizzie Bassett?

  I don't even know if that was breakaway glass, if I'm being honest.

• 51:19Chris Winterbauer?

  I mean, I just, I presume, I'm not sure it was candy glass. I would presume it's breakaway glass in the sense that they need it to just shatter so the car can keep, you know, going.

• 51:27Lizzie Bassett?

  Right. Well, it took months to prepare this. It took five days to shoot it. Obviously, it's full of stunt people sending cars through all the stores. There's stunt people in the mall. Apparently, when they were done filming, they just left it like that. And the Harvey Dixmoor School District actually sued Universal because they hadn't cleaned anything up when they left. Eventually, they gave up and ran out of money though. The mall actually sat abandoned until 2012, when it was finally torn down. So you probably could have gone and like played Blues Brothers in that mall for, you know, a solid 30 years. Fun. You might get murdered.

• 52:01Chris Winterbauer?

  Great.

• 52:02Lizzie Bassett?

  And of course, they did actually drive their cars through the Daly Plaza. This is the craziest, to me, this is like Chicago. What are you doing? This was filmed over Labor Day weekend. It features, of course, dozens of stunt people, six different camera crews, 300 crowd extras. You've got police, National Guardsmen, actual National Guardsmen costumed as soldiers. You have SWAT team rappelling down the Cook County building.

• 52:26Chris Winterbauer?

  There are tanks in one overhead shot.

• 52:28Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, there's tanks.

• 52:29Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 52:29Lizzie Bassett?

  There's three tanks, five fire engines, three helicopters.

• 52:32Chris Winterbauer?

  Anti-aircraft guns, at least one.

• 52:34Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah. And they actually replaced the windows of the Daly building for when they crashed through it. They replaced it with breakable glass. What are you doing, guys? What are you doing? But of course, the most insane section of the film is probably the Nazi car chase at the very, very end.

• 52:50Chris Winterbauer?

  Yes.

• 52:50Lizzie Bassett?

  And although this was just three minutes of screen time, filming took place in three different states and it involved just a ton of prep. But I want to talk about the one shot in this chase that I cannot believe they really did. Do you know which one?

• 53:04Chris Winterbauer?

  Is this just the one where they dropped the car from a plane?

• 53:06Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes.

• 53:07Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 53:07Lizzie Bassett?

  They dropped a car.

• 53:09Chris Winterbauer?

  I know. You can tell. I didn't know, but when I watched it, I presumed they actually dropped a car.

• 53:14Lizzie Bassett?

  They did it.

• 53:14Chris Winterbauer?

  You know, somebody wrote to us on Independence Day, this person was a pilot, and they wrote that the inertia of planes moving through the air, Independence Day gets it wrong. They slalom too swiftly, et cetera.

• 53:26Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah.

• 53:26Chris Winterbauer?

  This car falls with the exact right weight to it where you can feel the wind resistance under it. It's catching a surprising amount of air and yet you can tell, I don't think that's just a little car. I think that is a legit full sized car. Maybe it's been stripped down a little bit, but I think they have dropped a car from either a helicopter or a plane from like 1,500 feet in the air.

• 53:47Lizzie Bassett?

  They dropped it from a helicopter at more than 1,000 feet in the air, near Lake Shore Drive and the Chicago River in an area formerly used to store salt. They did it.

• 53:56Chris Winterbauer?

  Absolutely crazy.

• 53:56Lizzie Bassett?

  They really did it.

• 53:57Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah, it looks like it. We did it, Joe. We did it.

• 54:00Lizzie Bassett?

  We did it, John. They did use some models. They used a five foot model of the car for the Bluesmobile flipping backwards, for example.

• 54:08Chris Winterbauer?

  Yes. The backwards one, I didn't-

• 54:10Lizzie Bassett?

  You can tell.

• 54:10Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 54:11Lizzie Bassett?

  That's one of the only things in this though, that I think you can tell. It's not a full sized car. But yeah, when I was watching this, I felt the same way. I was like, they dropped that car out of the sky. And apparently the FAA did give them permission to do this. They had to do a test run where they dropped it from 500 feet in a field before they were able to do that. They had to prove that it would drop straight down and not veer off.

• 54:33Chris Winterbauer?

  Right.

• 54:33Lizzie Bassett?

  Which I don't know how you can prove that with wind and, but whatever, they did it.

• 54:37Chris Winterbauer?

  Flat earth.

• 54:38Lizzie Bassett?

  Flat earth. And Chris, if Chicago opened its doors to the crew of the Blues Brothers, it opened its hearts to hometown hero, John Belushi. Landis once described going to Wrigley Field with him as being like with Mussolini in Rome.

• 54:52Chris Winterbauer?

  John.

• 54:53Lizzie Bassett?

  I know. John.

• 54:54Chris Winterbauer?

  What?

• 54:55Lizzie Bassett?

  What are your references?

• 54:56Chris Winterbauer?

  Could have been like, you know, this was like going with JFK to the cap. I don't know. Pick a different leader. What are we doing?

• 55:02Lizzie Bassett?

  It's gotta be Benito Mussolini. Some fun stories about John Belushi in Chicago. Apparently, when he was entering the bathrooms at Wrigley Field, I assume on this trip with John Landis, he went up to the urinals, said, okay, stand back. Everyone stood back. He peed, turned around and said, okay, back you go. According to Mitch Glaser, quote, John would literally hail police cars like taxis. The cops would say, hey, Belushi. And then we'd fall into the backseat and the cops would drive us home. According to Dan Aykroyd, quote, we lost John one night, but it wasn't because he was high. It was because he was hungry and didn't like what was available to eat on set. I couldn't find him anywhere. Finally, I saw this path going through a parking lot into a nearby neighborhood. So I followed it. The neighborhood was dark, except for one house. I knock on the door

• 55:47Lizzie Bassett?

  and say, excuse me, we're shooting a movie and missing one of our actors. And the guy goes, oh, Belushi? He came in about an hour ago, raided my fridge and crashed on my couch.

• 55:56Lizzie Bassett?

  But the love for Belushi also manifested in the form of free drugs. As Aykroyd put it, by the time we were shooting, John had become addicted to cocaine. And that, as we're about to learn, was an understatement. Fans would literally throw bags of Coke at him, slip vials into his hands and pockets. It became a full time job just to try and keep him off of cocaine and no one was up to the task. According to Landis, John was fucked up. It was a battle to keep him alive and to keep him working on the movie. Now, before we go any farther here, maybe you shouldn't keep him working on the movie. Just a thought. When Carrie Fisher arrived on location, Landis gave her the same spiel that he gives everyone. He said, for God's sake, if you see John doing drugs, stop him. Now, it didn't help that John Landis was in way over his head. Again, he's 29 years old. This is his

• 56:40Lizzie Bassett?

  fourth feature. The previous three had been teeny tiny in comparison. It was Schlock, Kentucky Fried Movie and The Animal House. His cinematographer had never supervised a production larger than Kentucky Fried Movie. And now they were helming a movie with a ballooning budget that reportedly included a line item for cocaine. Dan Aykroyd said, everyone did it, including me, never to excess and not ever to where I wanted to buy it or have it. But John, he just loved what it did. It sort of brought him alive at night. That superpower feeling where you start to talk and converse and figure you can solve all the world's problems. Aykroyd also told The Guardian in 2020, at the time cocaine was a currency. For some of the crew working nights, it was almost like coffee. We drove John Landis crazy. Sometimes he didn't know whether we were gonna show up for work after

• 57:23Lizzie Bassett?

  the parties. At one point, Dr. Bennett Braun, a Chicago doctor and psychiatrist who was providing medical support for the film, arrived to give Belushi his regular B12 shot. After giving him the shot, he did a routine physical to check his health and it was immediately clear that things were not good. He was doing way too many drugs. Braun reportedly went to Seeweiss and told him that Belushi needed psychiatric help. And according to Woodward's book, he then said, you've got to get him off drugs. If you don't, get as many movies out of him as possible because he only has two or three years to live. Carrie Fisher estimated that Belushi may have been taking about four grams of cocaine a day. That is an unbelievable amount of cocaine. Morris Lyda, a 29-year-old who was originally hired as the road manager for the Blues Brothers Band, ended up kind of

• 58:07Lizzie Bassett?

  becoming Belushi's babysitter. He had to wake him up, drive him to set, somehow try to control his cocaine intake, which he tried to do by withholding cash. But of course, John could just get it from cast, crew, or people on the street. Like, this was completely impossible in Chicago to keep him away from it. For her part, Belushi's wife Judy tried to lay down laws where she could, including at the Blues Bar that Aykroyd and Belushi had reopened as a private speakeasy. She would tell everyone, "No coke at the bar. I know you don't want to hurt John." But Belushi would disappear for days at a time, setting the entire production massively behind schedule, costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. And while he was an absolute chaos machine, the movie itself was also an unmitigated disaster. Filming was supposed to have wrapped in mid-September, but they

• 58:51Lizzie Bassett?

  were nowhere near done. Lew Wasserman was pissed. He ordered Ned Tannen and Sean Daniel to do anything to get this movie done, and they were just like, "Listen, we have a problem. It's John Belushi. Like, there's nothing we can do about this."

• 59:02Chris Winterbauer?

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:03Lizzie Bassett?

  The movie started getting called 1942, after Spielberg's 1941. Also, Spielberg's cameo in this movie is very funny.

• 59:10Chris Winterbauer?

  Very funny. Well, Belushi was in 1941, and so, yeah.

• 59:14Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, Landis was too, right?

• 59:15Chris Winterbauer?

  I don't remember if Landis was, but I just remember Belushi was.

• 59:18Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes, he was. It also became a game of telephone. Wasserman would call Tannen and scream at him, who would call Daniel and scream at him, who would call Dan Aykroyd and beg him to get through to John Belushi, who was still holding up shoot after shoot. And they were in a real pickle, because at this point, they felt like they were too far along to shut down production and send Belushi to rehab, which is, of course, absolutely what they should have done, regardless of how far along the movie was. But they could also barely get him to the set. On October 25, 1979, John Landis had fucking had it. The crew was waiting around to start filming. Again, it was day 64 on location. They were almost done in Chicago, and John Belushi refused to come out of his trailer. So John Landis stomped his little body over to Belushi's trailer, and he busted down the door. And

• 1:00:00Lizzie Bassett?

  inside, he found John Belushi sitting and staring straight ahead. There was Kowalski spilled all over. There was urine on the floor. On the table in front of Belushi was a giant mound of cocaine. And according to Woodward's book, Landis shouted, "John, you're killing yourself. This is economically unfeasible. Do not do this to my movie. Don't do this to me. Don't do this to Judy. Don't do it to yourself." Now, if accurate, the fact that he led with "don't do this to my movie" feels very on-brand for John Landis. I understand.

• 1:00:29Chris Winterbauer?

  Yes.

• 1:00:30Lizzie Bassett?

  I understand.

• 1:00:31Chris Winterbauer?

  But like, if accurate, also, who knows how much forethought went into that line?

• 1:00:36Lizzie Bassett?

  None.

• 1:00:36Chris Winterbauer?

  It's like, you just walk into a room and you say something.

• 1:00:38Lizzie Bassett?

  I get it. I get it.

• 1:00:39Chris Winterbauer?

  You know? I'm not a John Landis defender. I'm just saying.

• 1:00:41Lizzie Bassett?

  No. I get it. I am sympathetic to him around a lot of this. However, the one thing that kept standing out to me over the course of all of this research is that what you should have done, I understand that it was the thing that would have cost you money. It's the thing that might have cost you your career. You should have shut down the production. Like, I'm sorry. Especially given what we're going to talk about. This is not someone who can be in this state at this point.

• 1:01:05Chris Winterbauer?

  I don't disagree. I actually don't ultimately think that was on Landis.

• 1:01:10Lizzie Bassett?

  Maybe not.

• 1:01:11Chris Winterbauer?

  I think that is the studio and the producers. Like, now, should Landis have advocated for it? Maybe?

• 1:01:16Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes.

• 1:01:16Chris Winterbauer?

  Okay, that's fair. But I'm just saying, like, I do have some sympathy here.

• 1:01:20Lizzie Bassett?

  I do too.

• 1:01:20Chris Winterbauer?

  I don't later. Where he's 29, Belushi's his peer. He's a bigger star than him.

• 1:01:26Lizzie Bassett?

  He's a much bigger star.

• 1:01:27Chris Winterbauer?

  He's dealing with an actor with a drug problem. You know, he can't get him to stop. He did check him into Costa before.

• 1:01:33Lizzie Bassett?

  I know, but everything that he does seems to be in service of getting these movies made versus actually in service of, like, taking care of John Belushi. And I understand. I understand he's 29. I'm not saying I would do any better than he's doing in this position. I probably wouldn't, with the amount of pressure that he's under. But my point is, the economic feasibility of this is not the problem. The problem is that this person is killing themselves.

• 1:01:54Chris Winterbauer?

  I don't disagree, but ultimately, I also don't think he's John Belushi's guardian.

• 1:01:59Lizzie Bassett?

  He's not. But no one is, which is the problem.

• 1:02:02Chris Winterbauer?

  I know. This one feels really tricky to me. I do think the studio should have intervened.

• 1:02:08Lizzie Bassett?

  Somebody should have.

• 1:02:09Chris Winterbauer?

  You know what I mean? At some point, or a producer at some point. And maybe that just should have been Landis. Who knows? My charitable interpretation is he's thinking, "We have to finish this goddamn thing."

• 1:02:17Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes, he is. They are quite far along.

• 1:02:19Chris Winterbauer?

  Because that's the only way I'm going to get John in rehab. You know what I'm saying? Like-

• 1:02:23Lizzie Bassett?

  That could be true.

• 1:02:24Chris Winterbauer?

  So, yeah.

• 1:02:25Lizzie Bassett?

  Now, he reportedly threatened to go get the production still's photographer to take a picture of the scene, so he could show Belushi what he looked like. He then scooped up the cocaine with his hands and flushed it down the toilet, at which point Belushi, who was way bigger than John Landis, stood up and started staggering towards him. And John Landis punched John Belushi in the face, hard enough to knock him over. And Landis could not believe what he had just done. As we've said, he is 29 years old. He really only has one hit film under his belt at this point, which is in no small part due to John Belushi, who he just punched in the face, and who also could beat the shit out of him. John Belushi was a big guy. But Belushi started sobbing and said, "I'm so ashamed." He hugged Landis and begged him to understand, but Landis was baffled, as was everyone around Belushi. Belushi's wife Judy showed up a few hours later and realized

• 1:03:10Lizzie Bassett?

  that even though she'd stolen Quaaludes from him earlier in the day, she hadn't gotten them all. The next day, Belushi again refused to come out and told Landis he would kill him if he didn't leave Belushi's trailer. He then took the remaining Quaaludes that Judy hadn't grabbed, came out to film the scene. Now, all he had to do was sit on the edge of a car, smash a bottle, and say they had to go to the concert. But within 10 minutes of arriving on set, he passed out and was carried back to his trailer, at which point Judy realized he'd taken somewhere around five Quaaludes, which was an enormous dose, especially coupled with the cocaine and alcohol. And the onset nurse induced vomiting and told Judy to "make sure your husband doesn't slip into a coma." I feel so bad for his wife.

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

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• 1:04:36Lizzie Bassett?

  On October 27, 1979, they filmed the final scene in Chicago, blowing up the gas station, because why not? And then everyone else headed back to Los Angeles for three more months of filming.

• 1:04:47Chris Winterbauer?

  Well, because a lot of the big musical numbers, including The Church with James Brown, those are all builds on a stage.

• 1:04:52Lizzie Bassett?

  It's LA.

• 1:04:52Chris Winterbauer?

  They're complicated, you know, the interiors.

• 1:04:55Lizzie Bassett?

  Or it's the Hollywood Palladium.

• 1:04:56Chris Winterbauer?

  Yes.

• 1:04:56Lizzie Bassett?

  It's the big concert. Yeah. Now, Belushi actually did seem to do better once they got out of Chicago, because, you know, there weren't people literally palming him cocaine every day.

• 1:05:05Chris Winterbauer?

  And also, the studio can be much more overbearing once you're on the lot, you know, basically.

• 1:05:10Lizzie Bassett?

  Right. Now, in November, they were set to film that big concert at the Hollywood Palladium, which, of course, is supposed to feature Belushi and Aykroyd doing a choreographed dance, cartwheels, all this stuff, except that John Belushi had seen a kid riding by on a skateboard, asked to borrow it, promptly fell off, and massively injured his knee. So Lew Wasserman had to strong-arm the top orthopedist in town on Thanksgiving weekend to postpone his trip to Palm Springs and instead wrap and inject Belushi with painkillers so he could physically get through that finale. I don't know how he's jumping around the way he is. If you watch it, though, he does look like he might be in pain.

• 1:05:44Chris Winterbauer?

  You know, with Belushi in particular, it's incredible how athletic he was.

• 1:05:48Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes.

• 1:05:49Chris Winterbauer?

  I don't think we appreciate it, or I didn't appreciate it. And there are a lot of physical performers where I think, in part because of our, we all, I think, have a bias against heavier folks.

• 1:05:59Lizzie Bassett?

  Chris Farley, I mean, is a huge example of this.

• 1:06:02Chris Winterbauer?

  Chris Farley, who is extremely flexible, strong, like, could jump, surprisingly, like, could jump higher than I can by a mile.

• 1:06:09Lizzie Bassett?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:06:10Chris Winterbauer?

  And Belushi, the way he moves, A, it's so fun and surprising, but B, it's also in such stark contrast to the wonderful stiffness of Dan Aykroyd in this movie.

• 1:06:20Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes.

• 1:06:20Chris Winterbauer?

  That it really enhances that sort of opposite The Odd Couple vibe, even as they're both stone-faced.

• 1:06:25Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:26Chris Winterbauer?

  Most of the film.

• 1:06:27Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, it's great. I mean, they're a wonderful duo, and you can tell that they love each other.

• 1:06:30Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:30Lizzie Bassett?

  On February 1, filming finally, finally wrapped, and almost immediately, John Belushi went missing. Now, to your point, we will give him some credit. John Landis and Belushi's wife wanted him committed in order to detox and receive mental health care. But Belushi's longtime manager Bernie Brillstein insisted that this was simply a temporary binge. He was like, "We've seen this before. He'll come back from it. It's, you know, whatever." And John Landis reportedly replied, "You fuck. You can't make money off a corpse." But the biggest problem of all was that Belushi himself was completely unwilling to go to rehab, and it seemed that they could not force him to do it. So instead, they hired a personal bodyguard named Richard "Smoky" Wendell. He was a former Secret Service agent for Nixon and was hired as basically an anti-drug bodyguard. This is a side note, but he would

• 1:07:14Lizzie Bassett?

  later provide the same service to Joe Walsh of the Eagles, this time successfully. And out of everyone, it actually seems like he did manage to get through to John Belushi. Belushi told him that he felt he needed the drugs in order to stay on top of the incredible pressure. He had to always be alert to potential comedy. Meanwhile, the Blues Brothers had clocked in at a whopping $27.5 million. It was massively behind schedule, making it one of the most expensive comedies ever made at that point.

• 1:07:41Chris Winterbauer?

  I have to say, and I haven't looked at the numbers in comparison, but for reference, The Empire Strikes Back was, I believe, only about $3 to $6 million more than this movie.

• 1:07:50Lizzie Bassett?

  That's insane.

• 1:07:52Chris Winterbauer?

  Kind of crazy.

• 1:07:53Lizzie Bassett?

  I mean, you do have Carrie Fisher with an RPG, launching it into buildings.

• 1:07:57Chris Winterbauer?

  I was actually gonna say, though, that being said, I think they're comparable. I know that Star Wars has a lot more optical effects, but the sheer scale of an American city under siege as they are driving this check to the assessor's office is remarkable. I think, for the most part, the money's on the screen.

• 1:08:14Lizzie Bassett?

  I agree. And following a very fast edit, it also faced an unexpected distribution issue. As editing finished, Lou Wasserman introduced Landis to a guy named Ted Mann. Now, he was the head of the Mann Theaters chain that's owned many of the nation's top theaters. And Mann told Landis, quote, "Mr. Landis, we're not booking The Blues Brothers in any of our national or general theaters. We have a theater in Compton where we'll book it, but certainly not in Westwood." And Landis was like, "Why won't you book it in Westwood?" And Mann said, "Because I don't want any blacks in Westwood." Mann reportedly said that white people are not gonna wanna see The Blues Brothers, quote, "Mainly because of the musical artists you have. Not only are they black, they are out of fashion." So The Blues Brothers only got about 600 theaters to release it. That's like, less than half of what they had expected.

• 1:08:59Chris Winterbauer?

  It's nothing.

• 1:09:00Lizzie Bassett?

  It's nothing.

• 1:09:00Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah. Again, we should poll Empire Strikes Back. For example, I think by the time it did its wide release, it was doing 1,500 theaters.

• 1:09:08Lizzie Bassett?

  I think they expected 14 to 1,500 for this.

• 1:09:10Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:09:12Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, 600. Aykroyd and Belushi had also left SNL at this point, potentially reducing their impact on audiences. And the early reviews before it was fully premiered were not good. They were, in fact, really bad. The Washington Post said, quote, "Far from developing into a snappy comedy team before your hopeful, pleasure-seeking eyes, Belushi and Aykroyd hold their poses. There is no witty repartee or deft physical interaction. They maintain a presumptuous, mind-boggling, double-deadpan routine for the duration of a starring vehicle that is starving for comic characterization, incident, and invention for a reason to exist. The séance is relieved only fitfully by a spot of singing and dancing, which helps but adds nothing fresh to the act."

• 1:09:51Chris Winterbauer?

  It's not wrong in its assessment.

• 1:09:53Lizzie Bassett?

  It's not wrong, and yet it is wrong, I think.

• 1:09:57Chris Winterbauer?

  Well, I don't know.

• 1:09:57Lizzie Bassett?

  Technically, that's correct.

• 1:09:59Chris Winterbauer?

  I appreciate this movie now. I think if I was a critic in 1980, I would not have known what to make of it. I really would have just said, "I can appreciate the music. I don't get it. I don't think it's that funny." You know what I mean? It's like, part of the appeal now, to me, is how insane it is.

• 1:10:14Lizzie Bassett?

  Totally.

• 1:10:14Chris Winterbauer?

  And it's the story behind it, and is how, the fact that it just got made, which is crazy. And I do think it's funnier than they're giving it credit for, but my point is, it does not surprise me that there was a very mixed reaction to this movie.

• 1:10:25Lizzie Bassett?

  Mixed is kind.

• 1:10:26Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah, from the critics, I mean.

• 1:10:28Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah. One of the only people who seemed to see some sparkle amidst the rubble was Roger Ebert. He said, "This is some weird movie. There's never been anything that looked quite like it. Was it dreamed up in a junkyard? What's a little startling about this movie is that all of this works. The Blues Brothers cost untold millions of dollars and kept threatening to grow completely out of control, but director John Landis has somehow pulled it together with a good deal of help from the strongly defined personalities of the title characters. Belushi and Aykroyd come off as hard-boiled city guys, total cynics with a worldview of sublime simplicity, and that all fits perfectly with the movie's other parts. There's even room in the midst of the carnage and mayhem for a surprising amount of grace, humor, and whimsy." But Belushi's response to the critics was to go on another binge.

• 1:11:11Lizzie Bassett?

  On June 20, 1980, the film opened, and despite its limited release, it defied all expectations, bringing in $57.2 million in the US and $115 million worldwide. On 600 screens, that's really impressive. Not to mention the soundtrack, which was certified platinum, selling over 3.5 million copies.

• 1:11:31Chris Winterbauer?

  I wonder if the soundtrack also, I mean, you could argue a disco soundtrack would have done just as well internationally, if not more, but I wonder if the musical elements... Comedies famously don't travel, is how the adage goes in Hollywood. But because this movie does rely so heavily on its musical numbers and very recognizable music...

• 1:11:48Lizzie Bassett?

  Very American music.

• 1:11:49Chris Winterbauer?

  Very American music from not just one or two decades prior, but three or four decades prior as well. I wonder if that then, those become footholds for audience members outside of the United States who may have missed more recent exports like SNL.

• 1:12:03Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:03Chris Winterbauer?

  But, "Oh, I do know Ray Charles. Oh, I even remember Cab Calloway. I certainly know Aretha Franklin."

• 1:12:08Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, that's a good point. But unfortunately, John Belushi would never really enjoy the success of The Blues Brothers. He starred in only two more films, both in 1981, neither of which were hits. And finally, on February 28 of 1982, he checked into the Chateau Marmont in Hollywood. Now, he was ostensibly working on a screenplay called Noble Rot, a rom-com about a robbery scheme in the California wine industry, but it seems like no one, not his manager, not execs at Paramount, nobody was happy with the script. More than that, though, everyone who came to visit him at the chateau left with the same impression, which is that he was really not okay. He had started doing heroin in addition to cocaine. Now, Dan Aykroyd and Judy Belushi were working on a plan to get John back to New York, where they felt they could keep him clean, they could keep an eye on him, they could get

• 1:12:52Lizzie Bassett?

  him working on something more productive. This would have been Ghostbusters, almost certainly, since Aykroyd was writing that at the time for himself, John Belushi, and Bill Murray. But Belushi was impossible to pin down. And on March 4, 1982, Robert De Niro and Harry Dean Stanton stopped by Belushi's bungalow at the chateau to try and get him to come out, and what they saw was disturbing. It was completely trashed, like, ripped to shreds. And amongst the rubble was a woman named Kathy Smith. De Niro immediately didn't like her and was happy when Belushi suggested that he and Stanton just leave and come back and meet him later. And later that night, when De Niro returned to the chateau, Robin Williams called him and suggested that they all go meet up at Belushi's bungalow. So they again went, and again, they did not stay, because Robin Williams was too creeped out by what they saw, which also included Kathy Smith.

• 1:13:38Lizzie Bassett?

  At 8:00 AM the next day, a waiter delivered room service to the bungalow, and Smith left to run errands. Belushi was asleep. At around noon, Belushi's personal trainer, Bill Wallace, arrived and found him unconscious and non-responsive. He performed CPR and then called, not the police, but Bernie Brillstein. Brillstein responded that perhaps John was just faking it, because he didn't wanna go to a Paramount meeting later that day. But then Wallace called back and said, "No, there's something really wrong with John." EMTs finally arrived, and they declared Belushi dead at the scene. They did not even try to defibrillate him. It was extremely clear from the needle marks on his arms that he had died of an overdose. He was 33 years old. Bernie Brillstein called Dan Aykroyd first and told him to run over to Judy's house and tell her before it made the news. Aykroyd said, "My first impulse was to find Judy as soon as possible, running down the

• 1:14:23Lizzie Bassett?

  entire length of Fifth Avenue to their townhouse on Morton Street. Arriving at Judy's house, I burst in and saw that she was standing at the fridge and did not know yet." He told people in 2024, "Having to tell Judy that John was gone, that I'll never forget. That's a piece of trauma that will be with me forever." Now, Nelson Lyon, who wrote for SNL, would later testify that he did see Kathy Smith injecting John Belushi with drugs more than once in the hours leading up to his death. She pled no contest to a charge of involuntary manslaughter and three counts of administering and furnishing narcotics to Belushi. But even at his lowest point, it seems that Dan Aykroyd had always brought out the best in John Belushi. When he visited him at the chateau shortly before his death, the two were seen staging a mock sword fight in the lobby using two-foot-long candles as their rapiers.

• 1:15:07Lizzie Bassett?

  Aykroyd said, quote, "I lament that he's not around. It's more than wistfulness, it's a true lamentation. Losing him set me back for a full year, but then I just wanted to go on and do more work and carry on." In 2024, Aykroyd released the Audible original Blues Brothers: The Arc of Gratitude, which tells the story of making the movie and his friendship with John. And about the movie itself, he said, quote, "I hope people take away the emotion of the love story between John and myself, but also laughs and knowledge and inspiration that you can still keep doing something you love." And on that bummer of a note, that wraps up our coverage of The Blues Brothers.

• 1:15:41Chris Winterbauer?

  Well, thank you, Lizzie, for taking us on that tour of one of the most chaotic productions of the last 46 years.

• 1:15:48Lizzie Bassett?

  Definitely.

• 1:15:49Chris Winterbauer?

  Would you like to go first with what went right?

• 1:15:54Lizzie Bassett?

  Sure. I'll go first with what went right. I have to admit, I'm, in some ways, almost tempted to give it to John Landis, because I can't believe he got this thing over the finish line.

• 1:16:03Chris Winterbauer?

  Sure. Again, my problems with him, they don't exist in the current timeline yet.

• 1:16:07Lizzie Bassett?

  No.

• 1:16:07Chris Winterbauer?

  You see what I'm saying?

• 1:16:08Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:08Chris Winterbauer?

  You know what I mean, with this movie? So I think that's totally fair. It wouldn't come and tell Twilight's on the movie.

• 1:16:12Lizzie Bassett?

  But I just can't do that, because it's John Landis. So I...

• 1:16:14Chris Winterbauer?

  But he did.

• 1:16:15Lizzie Bassett?

  No, he did. It deserves acknowledgement.

• 1:16:17Chris Winterbauer?

  It's crazy well-directed for, especially for the leap in scale that he made with this movie.

• 1:16:22Lizzie Bassett?

  And not only that, but the fact that he was dealing with what he was dealing with on this, the fact that they got it done, like, yes, he deserves an enormous amount of credit for that. I don't like him. I still think that every single quote we saw about this, he was referencing the financial repercussions of John Belushi killing himself, just didn't put that out there. But, you know, I understand the pressure that he was under. But I am not gonna give it to him, because he's John Landis. I will give it instead to Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi, because they didn't let rules, reason, story, plot, they didn't let anything get in the way.

• 1:16:53Chris Winterbauer?

  I'm not sure they were aware of those things when they wrote this. Or at least when Aykroyd wrote the first draft.

• 1:17:00Lizzie Bassett?

  I just, I love that they were like, "You know what? We love the blues. We love being together. We love playing together. Like, we love experiencing this music. We are famous now, and we wanna use our fame and our money to platform these artists? We wanna use it to just make a movie that's just fun, where we just get to have fun and expose people to the kind of music that we love? Does it make sense? No. Is it technically a good movie? I don't know. But I'm glad that they did it, and I'm glad that they just never gave up. And, you know, I think they're totally delusional when you think about the trajectory of this. You have to be, to a certain extent, to achieve what they did. And I love that. I love how much they loved each other, and it is so fun to watch them together on screen.

• 1:17:44Chris Winterbauer?

  Well, I will then give mine primarily, so I want to pin this person's name because they were my favorite of this category, to Cab Calloway.

• 1:17:52Lizzie Bassett?

  He's great.

• 1:17:52Chris Winterbauer?

  He's fantastic in this movie. I watched some of the old, well, I remember when we were watching The Cotton Club, I went back and you can find not exactly those performances, but some later performances from those artists. And I love that time period. Anyway, by extension, Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin, James Brown, and then also Steve the Colonel Cropper, Donald Duck Dunn, Murphy Dunn, Willie Too Big Hall, Tom Bones Malone, Lulu Marini, Matt Guitar Murphy, Mr. Fabulous, Alan Rubin, and more. In this movie, all of the musicians are wonderful, and they make it timeless.

• 1:18:30Lizzie Bassett?

  Also, John Lee Hooker.

• 1:18:31Chris Winterbauer?

  John Lee Hooker, yeah. He's playing the steel string right on the street when they come through. Yeah.

• 1:18:36Lizzie Bassett?

  He's playing his own song. He's playing the boom, boom, boom, boom, ah, ha, ha.

• 1:18:39Chris Winterbauer?

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

• 1:18:41Lizzie Bassett?

  It's incredible.

• 1:18:41Chris Winterbauer?

  It's great. Well, Lizzie, if folks are enjoying this podcast and they want to get bummed out some more.

• 1:18:47Lizzie Bassett?

  I know. I'm sorry. You gotta know, anytime you cover a John Landis movie, it's gonna be a bummer.

• 1:18:51Chris Winterbauer?

  You're picking a lot where people die at the end. I mean, it's been...

• 1:18:54Lizzie Bassett?

  Yeah, I guess that's true. It wasn't intentional. This connection was Chicago, in my defense.

• 1:18:59Chris Winterbauer?

  Sure.

• 1:19:00Lizzie Bassett?

  It was Lower Whacker Drive. I didn't really think about that, but yes.

• 1:19:02Chris Winterbauer?

  No, but two great movies back to back.

• 1:19:04Lizzie Bassett?

  Yes.

• 1:19:04Chris Winterbauer?

  Lizzie, well, if folks are enjoying this podcast, how can they support it?

• 1:19:08Lizzie Bassett?

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• 1:19:48Lizzie Bassett?

  $5. And if that's not enough, then for $50 a month, you can get a Blues Brothers shout out, just like one of these.

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• 1:22:49Chris Winterbauer?

  Well, if I wasn't on a mission from God before, I certainly am now. And, Lizzie, next week, we're on a mission to hell. We are going to the depths of the ocean with a shipwreck of a movie that has been long requested. I think people have been frustrated that we have not covered this movie yet.

• 1:23:09Lizzie Bassett?

  I agree.

• 1:23:10Chris Winterbauer?

  But we are trying to save some of these enormous debacles, because we don't want to blow through all of them too quickly. But it's time to go to Cutthroat Island.

• 1:23:19Lizzie Bassett?

  I can't wait.

• 1:23:20Chris Winterbauer?

  And just witness all of the career throats that were slit on Cutthroat Island. I'm really excited. We did cover Pirates of the Caribbean. We also did a primer on Pirates. If you guys are interested, you can listen to those ahead of time. Mostly the primer, there's a little context that could be useful going into this episode, but I'm excited. We haven't done a Rennie Harland film yet. We have a lot of his to get through. This one, you know, this is a movie, I like this movie, despite the, you know, kind of negative aura around it. And I'm really excited to talk about it, because I think it is as much a victim of timing, circumstance, right, you know, as any other that we've covered. And I don't know why, it seems like Geena Davis was left holding the bag on this one.

• 1:24:03Lizzie Bassett?

  Unfair. We love Geena.

• 1:24:04Chris Winterbauer?

  I'm excited to talk about it.

• 1:24:06Lizzie Bassett?

  All right. Geena Davis Summer coming your way.

• 1:24:09Chris Winterbauer?

  All right, guys. Until next week. Stay safe, stay out of the heat. We'll talk to you soon.

• 1:24:14Lizzie Bassett?

  Bye.

• 1:24:19Speaker 04

  What Went Wrong is a Sad Boom podcast, presented by Lizzie Bassett and Chris Winterbauer. Post-production and music by David Bowman. This episode was researched by Laura Woods and edited by Karen Krupso.

• 1:24:34Lizzie Bassett?

  By the way, folks, you may hear a baby screaming in the background. It's mine. I apologize for it. She's not gonna stop, so we're just gonna keep going. Just like the Blues Brothers would want us to.