Wil Sylvince: Grappling with Nuance

Wil Sylvince is back, and the conversation goes exactly where you'd expect and nowhere you could predict. Trevor, Eugene, Dave, and Wil bounce from pop culture debates and comedy tangents to a candid conversation about the health journey that changed Wil's life. Along the way, they tackle everything from misheard Rihanna lyrics and the Michael Jackson biopic to awkward relationships, before settling the only debate that really matters: which Michael Jackson songs belong at the very top.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:04Trevor Noah?

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• 0:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:08Trevor Noah?

  The amount of times, can I tell you something? The amount of times I have not eaten something because of Will. Like, you are responsible for fifty pounds I do not have on my body.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  That's a lot. That's good.

• 0:20Trevor Noah?

  The amount of times Will has gone, "Man, you don't need that." When we're on the road, "Man, you don't need that."

• 0:26Speaker 01

  But he'll eat it later.

• 0:28Speaker 02

  That's weird, innit?

• 0:29Trevor Noah?

  This may or may not be true.

• 0:32Trevor Noah?

  No, but I'm serious. You know, you know why? Because you, you, you've never judged me. I don't see you judge people.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 0:37Trevor Noah?

  But you get into like a very, you get into like a very inspirational. No, Will gets very like, he gets very motivational. Like Will will be like, and then he'll be, and then start telling you about like the, the benefits of omega threes and fatty acids in fish. And why you should move to fish and you need this in your body. And then he'll like squeeze, he'll take like a piece of steak from your plate. Then he'll squeeze it, then the fat comes out, then he's like, he's like, "This fat, this go to your heart, man. This go to your heart." And then he puts it back down and then he like, "You gonna eat that?" And you're like, "No, I'm not gonna eat that."

• 1:06Speaker 01

  You know why, you know why I should do also? I was, I was a big fan of this guy, right?

• 1:10Speaker 03

  I know, he does, it's a good thing. But it's, when Will gets into like healthy food mode, it's one of the best shows you'll ever watch in your life. Because he's so evangelical about it.

• 1:21Trevor Noah?

  I see why I listen to thirty percent of what my friends say.

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• 4:00Trevor Noah?

  I feel like you make people uncomfortable with how you dress all the time. No, Will is like, "Why are you even looking at me like that?"

• 4:10Speaker 01

  What you mean?

• 4:10Trevor Noah?

  Will.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, what you mean?

• 4:12Trevor Noah?

  You are the king of dressing incorrectly for the climate that we're in.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  Tell us more.

• 4:18Trevor Noah?

  Yo, when we were in Singapore, we went out.

• 4:22Speaker 02

  Why are you admitting? Why are you going?

• 4:24Trevor Noah?

  We were out in Singapore.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  You are accused right now, so I'm trying to defend you. We're on trial.

• 4:27Trevor Noah?

  You can't defend this man when he's, he's beyond guilty. He is like the, the, you know, like the archetype. We're in Singapore. If you've ever been to Singapore, especially in the summer, it is one of the hottest, most humid places you've ever.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Singapore have winter.

• 4:41Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, in the summer.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 4:43Trevor Noah?

  Their winter is just a nice, their winter is what a Norwegian person would consider a warm sunny day. It was summer. We went out, humid, humid, humid, humid. Humid, like full on, everyone's sweating everywhere. This man next to me came out in layers. It was so bad that people were taking pictures. So people would come to the shows and stuff, so they're like, "Can we get selfies? Can we get pictures?" They took pictures of us, you remember this? And then all the people said in the comments on the pictures, on Instagram and everywhere was, "Yo, why is that guy dressed like that in Singapore? Who is that man and why is he dressed?" It didn't matter where the pictures were posted.

• 5:25Trevor Noah?

  People were made uncomfortable by Will Silvins.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  I'll tell you this, I'll tell you this. I like the heat. I love the heat. A big heat fan. But I don't wear scarves. Real men don't wear scarves. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. This is, this is a true story that happened to me. I wore scarf one time, I can't remember, a long, long time ago. I was getting off the train, right? My scarf got caught, you know, I had to throw it through, close the doors. Took my, I almost choked. I had to let the scarf go. And the train took off with my scarf waving. I know people was laughing, some people was laughing. And then I was like, "Never again."

• 6:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, because there's a few garments that I think should not have been add-ons in any case, right? So a pullover jersey, what do you call it here?

• 6:10Speaker 01

  What's a pullover?

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Like you know a jersey that doesn't have sleeves?

• 6:12Trevor Noah?

  Oh, what is, what?

• 6:14Speaker 02

  So it's a, it's a.

• 6:15Trevor Noah?

  Sleeveless.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  But it's a jersey, like this?

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Oh, sweater, a jersey?

• 6:19Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, we call those, we call those jerseys sweater.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  A knitted sweater.

• 6:23Trevor Noah?

  A sweater with no sleeves.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  You know those people who wear those?

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, because they, they, they got, they cold hair, but warm hair.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  Yes, same with, exactly, same with scarves. I'm like, if you're worried about this part going up, you should have maybe covered your, yes.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  They call it menopause for men, because they feeling hot in the arms.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  Or, or hot in the arms. And then I'm like, so when people wear polo necks, I mean, and, and scarves, I'm like, why is this part important, more important than this part? And the, and where you're, so wear a paraglava and wear the polo neck.

• 6:57Trevor Noah?

  Ski mask. I'll translate for you, don't worry. I got you, Will.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I thought it was a person named Paraglava.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  Could have been a dessert. But then I'm like, take a ski mask on, tuck it in, let's show your eyes, go about your business. But the fact that you're gonna cover this part only in a polo neck upsets the fuck out of me.

• 7:15Trevor Noah?

  Why?

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Because I don't understand. Why would you do that?

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Eugene, I will say that you are correct to be upset.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank you.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  What's the purpose of the scarf?

• 7:25Trevor Noah?

  Please don't, let's not, we're not going back to the scarf.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  No, no, just real quick, someone give me their purpose. Is it because your neck gets, gets a lot of cold and, and that's how you get sick?

• 7:35Trevor Noah?

  Ask the scarf guy.

• 7:36Speaker 03

  No.

• 7:36Trevor Noah?

  I mean, we're back here.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  What happened?

• 7:39Trevor Noah?

  I mean, we may as well.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Or it matches your socks.

• 7:41Trevor Noah?

  I'll say, we may as well. When I woke up this morning, that's all I thought. I hope, I'm just like talking about scarves for like long. Just, I just want to talk about scarves, man.

• 7:49Speaker 03

  Okay, I'll say it like this. If you don't live in a climate that is like a really, obviously, we see you're trying to warm yourself.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:56Speaker 03

  You know, like where, if, if someone was in Antarctica, then you're like, "I, I get it. It's freezing there wearing a scarf." In normal circumstances, it is a fashion choice. But one of the, one of the downsides to the fashion choice is that after wearing a scarf, you do get a cold neck. So since I became a scarf wearer, I do experience cold neck. And then so now I'm trapped in wearing a scarf. Whereas before I wore scarves, I didn't ever have a cold neck.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  Can I say something? Your body will eventually adjust to, to the cold neck. It's like when you, when you cut your hair off and you're, "Oh, I got hot hair, uh, cold hair."

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  And then you get used to it. You, you just never want to get used to cold necks.

• 8:39Speaker 03

  Again, I do agree. I am agreeing with.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Is that where the, the phrase turtle neck comes from? Because a turtle's neck wants to be retracted back inside so it gets cold. So if you are, if your neck is exposed, you got a turtle neck.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  I had no idea I got a wild turtle neck.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  We can always check. Let's check there, where the, where the term turtle neck came from.

• 8:57Trevor Noah?

  I'm assuming a turtle neck comes from the fact that this, this skin folds over in such a way that reminds people of the, when you're wearing the sweater itself.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there has to be a reason why the turtle would rather have, exactly.

• 9:09Trevor Noah?

  What?

• 9:10Speaker 01

  What the animal, the turtle got to do with it?

• 9:12Trevor Noah?

  Because when they made the sweater, they were like, "Oh, that looks like a turtle's neck."

• 9:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  They should call it a, a lion neck.

• 9:18Trevor Noah?

  What?

• 9:19Speaker 02

  Because of the mane. It's covered.

• 9:24Trevor Noah?

  Guys, have you seen a turtleneck sweater?

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Oh, what's that bird that got the, got the?

• 9:27Trevor Noah?

  Have you guys seen a turtleneck sweater?

• 9:29Speaker 02

  Which bird is this?

• 9:30Speaker 01

  What's that bird got the, got the fur around his neck?

• 9:32Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, the one that go Yeah, and does, yeah, does like a

• 9:36Speaker 01

  That's what they call the sweater.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's an Amazonian bird.

• 9:39Trevor Noah?

  We're talking about a turtleneck right now. Do you understand what we're talking about?

• 9:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's

• 9:42Trevor Noah?

  We're talking about the sweater that looks like the neck of a turtle. That's why we say it.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  It doesn't look like the neck of a turtle.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  I'm saying it look like the bird, the bird with the, with the fur around his neck.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  Exactly. So what I'm saying is

• 9:53Trevor Noah?

  You know why I hate people who wear scarves? It's because this is what happens.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  So you hate Dave?

• 9:58Trevor Noah?

  No, I don't.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  No, I'll say this.

• 10:00Trevor Noah?

  But I'm just saying, like, the scarf made this happen.

• 10:02Speaker 03

  No, no, so I'm willing to say this. And, and, and I am sorry to, I am sorry to people.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  How sorry are you?

• 10:10Speaker 03

  Honestly?

• 10:11Speaker 02

  Are you so sorry that you'd give up scarves?

• 10:13Speaker 03

  No.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  So sorry means, when you say sorry, that means you, something that you did that you're not, you're not gonna do again?

• 10:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Right? It's like, if you cheat on your girl and you say, hey baby, I'm sorry.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  They says, are you gonna stop?

• 10:25Speaker 01

  And then she, I'm not gonna stop. Then, so why you saying sorry then?

• 10:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:28Speaker 03

  I don't know if that, I don't know if that's the definition of sorry.

• 10:31Trevor Noah?

  So do you see here, Will?

• 10:32Speaker 01

  On medication, that is the definition of sorry.

• 10:36Trevor Noah?

  You see here? Do you see that that is the neck of a turtle?

• 10:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:39Trevor Noah?

  Do you understand now?

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, hundred percent.

• 10:42Trevor Noah?

  Yeah. Do you understand why it's called a turtleneck?

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Turtleneck.

• 10:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's not the neck of a turtle.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  But that's not how we normally see, that's not how we normally see turtles though. That's, you, you found the one rare picture.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  No, that's not the turtle's neck, that's a turtle's head.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  You know what that look like?

• 10:57Speaker 01

  That look like someone in, in Europe.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  How, how you doing, Will? Welcome to the show.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  Oh, don't do that. Will, don't accept his welcome.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  Welcome to the show.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Don't accept it. What he must do now, he must go on the fancy phone of his and Google where the name turtleneck for a garment comes from.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  That's what I thought he's doing.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  No, he will never do it because he knows one thing for sure.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  So he just, he, he picked the stuff that fits his, his agenda?

• 11:27Speaker 02

  How do you know him so well?

• 11:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're waiting now.

• 11:34Trevor Noah?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this.

• 11:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, please do. We're here for him.

• 11:37Trevor Noah?

  I'm gonna do this.

• 11:40Speaker 02

  All the time in the world.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  In the meantime?

• 11:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Did you see, did you see Michael?

• 11:44Trevor Noah?

  The term turtleneck?

• 11:45Speaker 02

  The movie?

• 11:46Trevor Noah?

  Oh, the term turtleneck originated in the United States in the nineteenth century to describe a sweater with a high tubular collar that folded over resembling the way a turtle pulls its head out of its shell.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  Nowhere near describing a turtle's neck.

• 12:03Trevor Noah?

  Did I not just say the word turtle and neck?

• 12:06Speaker 02

  No. Read that last part again.

• 12:08Trevor Noah?

  Are you guys crazy, bro?

• 12:09Speaker 01

  I mean, he

• 12:09Speaker 02

  No, resembles?

• 12:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:11Trevor Noah?

  The way a turtle pulls its head out of its shell?

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there's no neck involved. Pulls its head out of its shell.

• 12:17Trevor Noah?

  Did you watch, did you watch, uh, Michael?

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:20Trevor Noah?

  What did you think?

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Amazing. I'm, I'm probably gonna see it seven more times.

• 12:23Trevor Noah?

  You didn't understand it the first time?

• 12:26Speaker 01

  Hey, movement, man. It was amazing.

• 12:29Trevor Noah?

  What confused you?

• 12:29Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 12:30Trevor Noah?

  Cause Will, cause Will falls asleep in movies. I wouldn't be shocked if Will started watching the movie, then he woke up, then he's like, why is this, why is this white lady singing? I gotta come back and see what happens. So let me tell you, Michael Jackson had a thing with his skin, you see, Will, and so what happened was

• 12:45Trevor Noah?

  what do you mean you're gonna go see it seven more times?

• 12:46Speaker 01

  When I love a movie, right?

• 12:48Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  And my, don't, don't, no disrespect to the white people out there, but when I love, it's a black movie, I go and start trying to support it as many times as I can because I enjoy it.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  That counts.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  I don't know if it's count, but I, it make me feel good.

• 13:00Trevor Noah?

  Oh, that's good, that's good enough, then it counts.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  And then plus, I try to take a different person who was not, who was on the fence of seeing that movie, whether it was Sinners, um, Get Out.

• 13:08Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Um, all these movies, I, I went and go see them, you know, uh, Foodville Station, I saw like eight times. And then take different people with me, hey, listen, enjoy on me.

• 13:18Trevor Noah?

  When you, when you go back and watch a movie that you've watched before, do you act like you know what's gonna happen to the person sitting next to you? Or do you still act surprised or do you?

• 13:27Speaker 01

  I play dumb with myself. I act like, what's gonna be, what's gonna happen next? And then when, when they jump, I jump, oh, you know what I'm saying?

• 13:34Trevor Noah?

  But now at some point, once you like seven times in, you and even the people in the movie are like, hey, bro, hey, Will. Hey, yo, Will.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  No, but you know, I, I do this thing with my mind where I, I pretend I didn't see it so I could, I, it's almost the same reason why we keep chasing, uh, not to get crazy. While crackhead keeps smoking crack, they chasing that first high.

• 13:55Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Or, or, or when you, well, I'm not sure this works, when you have sex, so you keep chasing that first part that the first time. Or when you keep chasing, so I watch a movie and try to chase that first feeling I had.

• 14:06Trevor Noah?

  Has it ever worked?

• 14:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:08Trevor Noah?

  Which, which movie got better the more you watched it?

• 14:10Speaker 01

  You, you blank yourself out of what happened.

• 14:12Trevor Noah?

  Which movie, which movie have you watched that got better the more you watched it?

• 14:16Speaker 01

  Uh, J- Django Unchained.

• 14:20Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  Because Django Unchained, actually, I was actually upset and mad because they said it was a, a, for a real story. And then I looked up, like, oh, there's, it's a fake story.

• 14:30Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  And then once I got that out my system, I, I went back to re-watch and, and I enjoyed my, oh, it's actually, it's just a good film. It's a great film.

• 14:39Trevor Noah?

  It's crazy that they can do that, right? You know, there's a, there's a difference between based on a true story?

• 14:43Speaker 01

  And a true story.

• 14:44Trevor Noah?

  And a true story?

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:45Trevor Noah?

  And inspired by a true story? And inspired by real events?

• 14:49Speaker 01

  Or inspired by the book?

• 14:50Speaker 03

  You know that

• 14:51Trevor Noah?

  You can, you can just say

• 14:52Speaker 03

  I think that's, I, I, I have the impression that previously, just a short while ago, it used to be based, like, based on a true story, it was a true story. Like, if you watched it, you were, you were moved by it.

• 15:07Trevor Noah?

  It was a retelling.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  It was a retelling of what happened.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  Or like, the, the, what's that movie, Dare Candy?

• 15:13Speaker 01

  Dare, um, Dare Can, or, um, Honey Bun?

• 15:16Trevor Noah?

  You're just saying words now, bro.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  The, the movie about the, the comedian, he was, he, he was being stalked by this big girl.

• 15:23Trevor Noah?

  Oh, ah, man, uh, the, the, the, the deer.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  Honey, Honey Bun.

• 15:27Trevor Noah?

  No, no, stop saying the wrong words. You're throwing us off. You're not helping. I hate it when people do this.

• 15:32Speaker 03

  Isn't this a series?

• 15:33Speaker 01

  It's a series, it's a series.

• 15:34Trevor Noah?

  She says it to him all the time. She calls him like a, she has a nickname for him.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Sugar cakes?

• 15:38Trevor Noah?

  No, no. It's, it must be a deer. It must be a deer, I think. I think it's like a deer or some

• 15:44Speaker 03

  Baby reindeer.

• 15:45Trevor Noah?

  Baby reindeer.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  What the hell?

• 15:47Trevor Noah?

  Thank you, baby reindeer. This guy says sugar cakes.

• 15:50Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, baby reindeer is a, is a, is a series?

• 15:53Speaker 01

  No, so what Netflix did wrong, they, when they started, they said true story. Instead of based on a true story or inspired by a true story, they just said true story. And that's why they got, remember that girl came on?

• 16:06Trevor Noah?

  That's why she sued them.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  She sued them and she went on a bunch of interviews and stuff.

• 16:10Speaker 02

  Wait, the real stalker?

• 16:11Speaker 01

  Because instead of just saying based on a true story.

• 16:13Trevor Noah?

  Don't get us involved, bro.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  Okay, the alleged stalker came out and said, I didn't do all of this.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  This is, this is false, you guys are, you tainted my name. And I think it's, if she didn't come out, we didn't know what she looked like. So she, she, why did she come out? Yeah.

• 16:27Trevor Noah?

  The weirdest was that she came out sounding exactly like the character from the show. It was like, it was, you know, when, people didn't know what to do with themselves. Because like she came on TV and then people were like, so you're saying, um, I think it was Piers Morgan. And then he was like, so you're saying that this is about you, but it's, it's not about you. Then she's like, no, Piers, I don't even know why they're saying it's me. I don't even understand what it is.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  That she looked like the character.

• 16:53Trevor Noah?

  Yo, everything. It looked like she was doing an impression of the character. Then, you know, when you, before you might have gone like, I don't know if this is you. After watching that thing, you're like, oh no, this is you, bro. This is a hundred percent you.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  Rachel Dolezal?

• 17:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  What happened to her?

• 17:07Speaker 01

  She's, uh, I think she's Chinese now.

• 17:14Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 17:15Trevor Noah?

  Two P M, Will?

• 17:19Trevor Noah?

  I think she changed her name.

• 17:20Speaker 03

  I think she has a OnlyFans.

• 17:22Trevor Noah?

  Rachel Dolezal.

• 17:23Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 17:24Trevor Noah?

  You can, you can say you follow her, it's fine.

• 17:25Speaker 03

  No, I don't follow her. I, I read the Daily Mail and Daily Mail has all sorts of salacious things in there.

• 17:30Speaker 02

  Wait, so why does she do an OnlyFans? Because people assume that it's only porn on OnlyFans.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  It's not only, it's not only porn. She could take her clothes off and she's white. And, and white people are like, yes.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  By her face?

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Can I tell you something though? About Rachel D- Dolezal?

• 17:45Trevor Noah?

  You know the way you say it, you say it like her name is Rachel Dolezal?

• 17:49Speaker 02

  I was about to say.

• 17:50Trevor Noah?

  Which is actually a great name. The way Will, the way you say it, you go like racial Dolezal, what's, what's?

• 17:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 17:56Trevor Noah?

  It's Rachel, but I'm saying

• 17:58Speaker 02

  You said racial Dolezal?

• 17:59Trevor Noah?

  Rachel. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 18:01Trevor Noah?

  Which sounds like racial, which is great, which is actually a better name.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  It is a better name.

• 18:06Trevor Noah?

  Like, that's a good name to just say to somebody. Oh, look at Rachel, Rachel, Rachel Dolezal over here.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  How you say her name?

• 18:11Speaker 02

  Rachel.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  And how you say the other one?

• 18:13Trevor Noah?

  Racial.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  That's the same word.

• 18:14Speaker 02

  No, you

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Rachel Dolezal.

• 18:18Speaker 02

  No, you say racial Dolezal.

• 18:20Trevor Noah?

  You're saying racial.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  That doesn't, she's racial.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  And the other, and her name?

• 18:24Trevor Noah?

  Rachel.

• 18:26Speaker 03

  Okay, say this, say this. I'm multiracial.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  I'm multiracial.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  Okay, good. Now say Rachel Dolezal.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  Rachel Dolezal.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Okay, let me just get to the point. Racial dollars are, right?

• 18:43Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, cool.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  I actually, I loved it.

• 18:45Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  Initially, I loved it. I'm like, wow, finally. Because black people, we're always trying to imitate white people with the long hair. You know, bleach our skin. Not just black people, you know. You know, trying, trying, oh, when you talk proper, you're talking white, or you talk, you know. No one ever tried to imitate us. So when she came, I'm like, yes, she love us so much that she wanna be us. But then I found out why she wanna be us. And I'm like, I can't.

• 19:14Trevor Noah?

  Why?

• 19:15Speaker 01

  She said that black people, uh, black people don't deserve welfare. I deserve it. Cause they're not, they're not, they buying shit with it.

• 19:22Trevor Noah?

  Yo, she said this?

• 19:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm paraphrasing, but you know.

• 19:24Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, make sure, make sure, yo, you're gonna get, you're gonna get her haters. Yo, I don't think you should, Will just throws you under the bus hard. Yeah, he said, uh, that's a whole race of people that should be wiped out. He said this? I'm paraphrasing. What he said was, I'm not having a good day, but I know what he meant.

• 19:43Speaker 02

  You can't just say that, Will.

• 19:44Trevor Noah?

  But you know.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Wait, look it up. You know, you know, if I saw it turn me against, I'm like, oh.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  You know what, you know what I always find weird while you're searching for that fact? Now, when you're watching cartoons and then you'd see different races in cartoons? And then you see that behind the scenes and they'll show you that the person that did the voice was actually the same color as the cartoon. Have you seen those ones where they're like?

• 20:05Speaker 01

  Not in The Simpsons.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, in The Simpsons, obviously, the same person doing the voices for everything.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, but white person doing that.

• 20:11Trevor Noah?

  Wait, but yeah, what you're saying, you see that they're the same, like, race?

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Yes, as the character that they're portraying, right? But then you watch the news here. When I watch the news in America, I'm like, if I close my eyes, I wouldn't be able to tell if the person reading the news is black or white.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Because.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  And then when, because it's almost like the, the female black news readers in American television.

• 20:37Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  If their skin color would change, they would be a white person. There's nothing to.

• 20:41Speaker 01

  I think because in America, if, in the seventies, eighties, if you a black person, a person of color wants to do the news, you have to sound a certain way. And look, even like black women could not wear their hair in a natural state. Cause they felt, they felt threatened or they like, that's not, that's not proper. Your hair, the, the way your hair naturally is, that's not proper. You gotta put it in proper, which is crazy. They just passed a law in New York City, twenty nineteen, that the, the Crown Act.

• 21:09Trevor Noah?

  Which is?

• 21:10Speaker 01

  Which is women, you cannot fire people because of their natural hair. So if you come, if you come to, to your work with an afro.

• 21:19Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  The way your hair goes out your head, they could send you home and fire you.

• 21:23Trevor Noah?

  The thing you're talking about with the news is, is like a real thing. There's, there's a fascinating story about how the voice of the black news anchor in America had to change over time. Because at some point, the news was completely like split.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:40Trevor Noah?

  You know, so you had like black television anchors and black news. And you know, we talked about it with Roy, Roy, cause you know, his dad was like heavily involved in, um.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  Radio news.

• 21:48Trevor Noah?

  In radio and news in, in, in the US. And black anchors sounded like the way they spoke, like in the streets and in their lives. And then at some point, when the lines got blurred, when things came together, when they were integrated and stuff like that, now you had to sound quote unquote, professional. And that's when this started like, uh, you know what I mean?

• 22:09Speaker 01

  By professional, they mean white.

• 22:11Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, no, no, no, that's, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  Always freaks me out. And then when I watch two news anchors, female, black and white, and they go, yeah, nerd. I'm like, you also.

• 22:21Trevor Noah?

  It's exactly that. It's a specific, yeah, it's a specific type of. And earlier today, many were brilliant. A little asking, well, what is that? People on the street, who did it have this to say? That's like a specific, yes.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  But, but, but not just in news, but radios has certain voice. Hey, you listen to Hot one oh five point one, the light hour. We play all the light songs. When you dance, you light on your feet.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's, there's one, there's one, there's one thing my ear can get used to is drive time and breakfast, New York radio. There's too many people talking and they talk too fast.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  It's only because ADD has not got to your country yet.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  That's all. Once you guys get ADD.

• 23:19Trevor Noah?

  Can I tell you, Will? You just put one of the funniest thoughts in my head. ADD has not come to your country yet, cause now I just pictured a shipment of ADHD coming to Africa. And the Africans not knowing what's about to hit them. And the ship come, brrrr. Guys are in the harbor there. Then it's like, Abidjo, have you, have you got the, the consignment? Have you got the shipping forms ready? Yeah, we've got them here. We're, we're, there are a few things coming in. There's a big shipment of ADHD, ADHD, what is that? I, I don't know what, but we are going to inspect the container. They say it's quite dangerous. Okay, let me know when it arrives. And the container comes in, it's like, okay, are you ready? Opens the door, like, brrrr. Hot one oh five, Africa.

• 24:01Trevor Noah?

  All the news in the breakers, yo, I'm pranking my mom, fuck you. I'm sorry about that.

• 24:11Trevor Noah?

  I'm like, I'm not sure if there was a jingle or a prank. You're such an asshole, is your mom talking on the forty, I'm K four oh five, six F F, two five oh one. And the five oh one interstate is traffic, and there's a black guy in the car.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  American radio has to keep up with the personalities out there. That's how they keep in tune.

• 24:30Trevor Noah?

  Oh, damn.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Speaking of which.

• 24:33Trevor Noah?

  Did you, by the way, did you, were you ever diagnosed with ADD as a kid?

• 24:36Speaker 01

  I diagnosed myself and I fixed it.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  My man. Fuck medicine. Fuck therapy. I got this.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  Why are you talking about ADHD?

• 24:51Trevor Noah?

  Wait, wait, wait.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  About scrambled eggs.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  Can I explain?

• 24:55Speaker 02

  Can you?

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, can I explain?

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Guys, you can explain.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  If you know you got a problem, right? Once you know the problem, then you, then you, then you know what the solution, or you could figure out what the solution is.

• 25:06Trevor Noah?

  This I agree with.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Right?

• 25:07Trevor Noah?

  But how over you is this happening?

• 25:08Speaker 02

  If that's the other was true, Jeffrey Dahmer would have killed one person only.

• 25:11Trevor Noah?

  No, but he did, maybe he didn't know he had a problem. That's what Will's saying.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  When the fridge started smelling.

• 25:14Trevor Noah?

  No, that's a different problem.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  No, but, but there's another.

• 25:18Trevor Noah?

  I get what Will's saying. He's saying, do you acknowledge that you have a problem?

• 25:21Speaker 01

  But there's another part to that.

• 25:22Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Once you acknowledge you have a problem, do you wanna fix it?

• 25:25Trevor Noah?

  Yeah. Powerful.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. If you don't wanna fix it, then like a crackhead knows, ah, ah, you know what, I do smoke crack.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  You're right, there's many of my, there's many, there's many of my problems I don't wanna fix, cause then I looked at my bookmarks on, on eggs. And I was like, I don't wanna fix this problem.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Yo, you know why I used to do, I used to walk like this. What, what do you call when you, when your feet walk like this?

• 25:46Trevor Noah?

  Duck feet?

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Duck feet. I used to walk like that.

• 25:48Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Right?

• 25:48Trevor Noah?

  Why?

• 25:49Speaker 01

  That's, I just, I have my legs.

• 25:50Trevor Noah?

  That's horrible for boxing.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  No, no, that's when I was little. Well, not little, when I was in the high school and stuff. I used to walk like this. And then I'm like, why am, why am I, and, and I wonder, I caught my, do you ever catch yourself in one of those outside mirrors?

• 26:02Trevor Noah?

  All the fucking.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Where the glass?

• 26:04Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  And I just saw, saw myself waddling. And I'm like, ugh. No, when I ain't got no girlfriends, I wouldn't date me. And so what I did was I forced my feet to walk pigeon toed, right? Every time I, oh, let me walk pigeon. Eventually, my body just fixed the difference, adjusted to the difference, and I just started walking regular.

• 26:25Trevor Noah?

  I'm now thinking of all the people who were on that street with you when that happened. That must have been like watching a Kaiser Soze moment, cause now imagine, you were walking against, you were walking down the street. You see this, you see this young man, waddling, he's in front of you, waddling, waddling, waddling, waddling. Turns, looks in a mirror. You don't know what's happening. Turns, and then turns back and all of a sudden changes his body and then walks the other way.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  Pigeon toed.

• 26:52Trevor Noah?

  You would be like, I just witnessed something. I don't know what crime I witnessed, but something has happened here.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  And then eventually, when I kept doing that, my body just remember, hey, this is.

• 26:59Trevor Noah?

  Wait, wait, so, okay, so you fixed your duck walk, you fixed your ADD, how did you fix your ADD?

• 27:03Speaker 01

  Hey, so, so I learned to just look the person in the eye and, and either look the eyes or watch the mouth. Where am I looking, the eyes or your mouth right now? What am I doing?

• 27:13Trevor Noah?

  I can't tell.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  Exactly. So you can't, so, but now, so it forced me to like, listen to your words and.

• 27:20Trevor Noah?

  So you just forced yourself to do this?

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Forced myself. I kept forcing myself.

• 27:22Trevor Noah?

  What did you, what did you do before that?

• 27:23Speaker 01

  I just, just be like this. Uh huh, yeah. Nah, man, what the hell is going on with this?

• 27:28Trevor Noah?

  Oh, wow. And so you were just like, I'm going to look.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Stay focused.

• 27:31Trevor Noah?

  But how did you know that you weren't looking at them?

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  How, no, I wasn't?

• 27:34Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, did someone tell you?

• 27:35Speaker 01

  Cause I was, cause I was all, all over here. And I'm like, and I'll be like, wait, what happened? Repeat that again? Repeat that again? You know what I'm saying? So I, I, no, no, no, I was paying attention, but, but what the hell is this? Is this real? You know what I'm saying? I was just all over the place.

• 27:48Trevor Noah?

  This man is a miracle of science right here.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  I think, I think you create a problem instead of curing it. I think the best.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  You could fix anything if you, if you mentally force yourself.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the best part about having a conversation with someone is not hearing everything they have to say.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  I would, this is not your girlfriend.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Some of my best friends, I only take my thirty percent. If I were to consume a hundred percent.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  Will.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  What would happen?

• 28:14Speaker 02

  Exactly. I wouldn't know because why would I be like, why would?

• 28:20Speaker 02

  My man, you don't know my friends. I can't be a hundred percent.

• 28:23Trevor Noah?

  You know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't believe you.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  If.

• 28:26Trevor Noah?

  No, I wouldn't believe what Will is telling us. If you also hadn't lost like a hundred pounds.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  But that's the one I'm telling you.

• 28:32Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, no, no. I'm letting, I'm on your side. Don't fight with me. I'm saying I'm on your side here. I'm saying.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  I used to weigh two hundred twenty pounds.

• 28:39Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Another thing about, I used to weigh two hundred twenty pounds, right? And then.

• 28:43Speaker 03

  Why is that figure so round? Why, why wasn't there one hundred twenty two, two, one point?

• 28:47Speaker 01

  No, no, that's the last time.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Because when I weighed myself, I remember like, oh damn. And then, and then, you know, you just take it as life. And then a couple of things made me change my ways. I, I, one day I was, I was, they, they booked me at this show at this, in, in Colorado. They put me in a nice suite, nice suite. Big ass mirrors everywhere. And whenever I go with nice hotels, like where I'm on tour with Trevor, don't ever come in my room and, and just barging. You got, make sure you're not. I just, I just like to walk around naked. You know, I make some calls, hey girl, you, you wish you was here. Look, you know what I'm saying? Walk around naked. So I'm, I'm in the bathroom, brushing my teeth, right? I looked in the mirror, a dude, someone broke into my room.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Right? And they, and they, and they're naked and backing up.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  It was me. I didn't recognize my back fat.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  And I was like, it was so shocking to me that I couldn't, I, I looked like an old man. Huh? No, I'm not, I'm not hairy.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  Okay, sure.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  I, but it was huge. It was like, I looked like a lump of clay.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Ah, ah, nah.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  And then I remember I went and I just took one of those thick ass robes. I could, I think, I couldn't bear nobody to look, you know, look at me.

• 30:01Trevor Noah?

  Aw, shade Will.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Not even a mirror. And then, um, I just sat down watching TV. I remember, I can't remember the sports player, but some sports player was still playing sports. And that, cause I kept saying, I'm getting old. I'm, you know, I'm thirty, I'm just old age. I looked at this and then it was like, hey, he's, he's fifty, fifty something and he's still in great shape. And that's what made me change. I'm like, damn, it's just, it's all in your head. Like you, you are what, what you wanna be. So from that moment on, I decided to change my life, you know, change your foods, start exercising and, and change the way I think. It's more, it's really the way you think, right? Thinking first and then you apply. That's why I tell people, if you wanna lose weight, what do you really want? Right? If you wanna be unhealthy, that's fine. That's your life. It's your life.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  But understand being unhealthy come with consequences and you have to be okay with that. Diabetes, hypertension, cancer, uh, um, your bypass might stop, stop working. You have to be okay with that because this is the choice you made. But also you wanna be healthy, understand that is a hard road. Like, you know what? I, I'm, I'm just, it's just like when you go to college. You're not going to ace all, you, you're gonna have to study, you're gonna have to work hard, you're gonna have to do everything. Or if you're in a relationship with, with a partner, it takes work. Uh, uh, because being, going healthy, you have to understand you've been eating a certain way your whole life. You used to taste, you used to certain smells, you certain textures. So you have to give all that up to go on this healthy, healthy path.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  And understand it won't be easy. Just like when you ride a bike, when you first of all rode a bike, you fall. You don't take the bike and put it away. No, you get back on and ride again. Get back on and ride again until you're like, I got this now. Now you, now you're riding with no hands. Same thing with health. When you wanna be healthy, you just gotta give you, give yourself time, understand that you're gonna fail, understand that. You know what? You know what? I'm gonna, but this is the road I wanna be. I wanna be healthy. And about me, it's not about, I don't wanna be a hundred years old. I don't wanna be ninety. But I wanna, I wanna, I wanna be today. I wanna live today. That makes sense? I wanna be healthy now.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  So when you're a lump of clay, you're not living today?

• 32:07Speaker 01

  I don't know where I'm gonna be a hundred years or ten years or even two years from now. But today I wanna be, I wanna be, you know what I'm saying?

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Wait, wait. So you were in a suite, doing comedy and on tour with back fat, looking like a lump of clay? Brushing your teeth? You were still that guy?

• 32:25Trevor Noah?

  Speaking to a girl.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Wait, weren't you happy that day?

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Not when I saw that fat person.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  Before you judge yourself.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  Weren't you?

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Weren't you happy that day?

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Not, I, there was always low self-esteem. There was always a sense of, I'm not.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  But when you walk into a hotel. Wait, the suite, you're walking in there, you even took off your clothes.

• 32:45Speaker 01

  Because I don't see.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  You call girls.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Because my mind is not on me, understand? My mind is on other things. But then when you, when you, when your mind, when I, I start focusing on me, then, then I get depressed. I ain't nobody. My comedy sucks.

• 32:59Trevor Noah?

  Oh, so when, so when, what you're saying is, when you, when you avoided yourself.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  I avoided my, yeah.

• 33:04Trevor Noah?

  Life was good.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:05Trevor Noah?

  But that mirror made you unable to avoid yourself in that moment? And you decided this is what I need to change?

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:11Trevor Noah?

  How, how long did it take you? What was, what was like the first?

• 33:15Speaker 01

  It took, it took some years because changing the way you think could take a while, man. It took me another two years to like, to, you know, I had, I realized I, it wasn't fast, it wasn't quick diets, it wasn't, let me just get this up and. No, I had to change the way I think.

• 33:32Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  And then I applied. Then after you, after you accept, you know what? I wanna be healthy, change the way I think. Then I had to, I had to, um, learn about health, read books, watch documentaries. When you, when people go to war, right? They just go in there, they, they learn about how much, how much airplanes they have, how much ships they have, how many, how many this they have. And then they have a plan. Okay, we're gonna enter here because there's no people, there's nobody in, in, in part, part level C. So we're entered to level C. Same thing with the war on fat. You gotta, you need a.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  There's a war on fat now.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Yes. With yourself, with myself.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  In America, it's war on fat.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  You know, I hope this podcast doesn't reach people where they're starvation, eh?

• 34:15Speaker 01

  The war on fat.

• 34:17Speaker 02

  This war, this war on fat.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  The, the war on fat is an individual war, not a nationwide, because America try to make it seem like it's why you are, we got a war on fat. No, it's because companies want you to be fat.

• 34:28Trevor Noah?

  You know what? Let me, wait, let me ask you a question. Wait, wait, let me ask a question. There, there are people who lost weight the hard way. And I've heard a lot of those people have resentment towards people who'd like take Ozempic. Do you, do you have that?

• 34:42Speaker 01

  I don't because why you care about somebody else, what they, they, they chose? It's almost like, I, I hate this person because they're Catholic. Or I hate this person because they chose to date a, a Asian person. I hate this. But why do you care about what other people are doing with their lives?

• 34:55Trevor Noah?

  Okay, so you don't, you don't have any of that.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  How's their life affect your life?

• 34:58Trevor Noah?

  No, I'm just asking. You don't have any of that.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  No, not at all.

• 35:00Trevor Noah?

  So if you see them lose the weight because of Ozempic, you're just as happy?

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Hey, but, but that's why I say.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  You're just happy that they lost the weight?

• 35:04Speaker 01

  That's why I say when the number one choice, what do you, what do you want? Not what other people want for you. Not what your parents want for you or your girlfriend or boyfriend. What do you want?

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Why do you say your boyfriend that looked at me?

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Cause you wear scars.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 35:23Trevor Noah?

  Can I ask you something? Did you, did you, did you always have this growing up? Were you always strong willed?

• 35:28Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, that, no, I was very weak, weak minded and more of a follower and stuff.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  Duck feet.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Duck feet. Um, pimples and stuff.

• 35:38Trevor Noah?

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, pimples doesn't have anything to do with your personality. I love how you threw pimples in.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  Pimples is part of a poor, poor diet.

• 35:45Trevor Noah?

  No, man, Will, come on, man. You see, this is, you're gonna start with that conspiracy shit now. You see now? You see what Will just did there? He just threw it in. He's like, man, nah, man, my mind was weak when I was young, man. I had no confidence and, you know, and I, I, I was just a follower and I had pimples, man. Yo, you can't control whether or not you have acne. That's not in your control.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  It's in the, it's in the diet.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  No, there's a man who grew up.

• 36:10Trevor Noah?

  He grew up as a kid with acne.

• 36:12Speaker 03

  Will, I will say this one thing to help you. Oh no, I mean to add on to what you're saying. There's a lot of the time, a lot of the time, people have done a thing like that. But they don't, uh, either they don't remember it or they don't reference it.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  What do you mean? Wait, what?

• 36:30Speaker 03

  So like, in a person's life.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  There was a time where they had to do a thing where they had to like do it for themselves.

• 36:38Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  You know, where they had to.

• 36:39Speaker 02

  Do it themselves.

• 36:40Speaker 03

  Yes, do it themselves. They had to fix something in their life, whatever it may be.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:45Speaker 03

  And then, then they do it. Other people didn't tell them to do it. And sometimes it's not even a, like a negative thing. It's just like a thing where they used self-discipline or self-will.

• 36:57Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 36:58Speaker 03

  You know, when someone is like, I just, you meet people. And a person not overweight or anything, but you'll be like, how come you started, uh, jogging? Then they were just like, I just thought it was hard. I started waking up at five. Why? I don't know. I just, but it was hard and I did it based on myself, you know? Then when they take on other challenges, they, they forget to reference that. Cause you saw like dipping in the same pool of.

• 37:24Trevor Noah?

  Oh, they forget to tell other people.

• 37:26Speaker 03

  Of their own thing.

• 37:27Trevor Noah?

  That they now have a new skill or muscle that they had to develop from a certain space.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  And they don't, of their own thing. So let's say you learned to play, you learnt to, like your thing, the duck feet thing. You fixed it yourself or the weight thing. Then you decide to do another thing.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  If this is another person, they forget to reference that they once did that thing. It's like we want, we want.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, they come out, they come out perfect after the results.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  No, so like, when you won a championship and you do another tournament, you must be like, I won the previous championship.

• 37:59Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, what I'm saying is like, if someone learns how to play the piano, then they go on to play guitar. They need to reference the fact that at some point they had learned how to play piano. Because that thing, yeah, that thing sort of directly ties to this next part of it, as opposed to it being an independent.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  But not the, not the actual activity.

• 38:17Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, not the act, no, the willpower of the act, that's what I mean.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  They built it from somewhere.

• 38:21Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 38:21Speaker 03

  Cause they'll be like, I don't have the willpower to do this. Then you go like, surely, not surely. In your life, there's a thing where you, just in the course of life, just like in the course of life. People have a bad time, people have a good time, you know, like life, office things, in the course of your life. Just because you're a human being, there was a time when of your own volition, you did a thing. When you now need to do another thing of your own volition, remember that you are doing this for the second time. That's just how life is. The second time where you're like, I need to do this thing. I can guarantee you, it is not the first time you need to use that self.

• 39:00Speaker 02

  Discipline.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  Yes, you definitely, definitely, definitely have done it once before and you gotta reference that.

• 39:06Trevor Noah?

  But Pimples is not one of them. I'm just gonna go back to.

• 39:08Speaker 03

  A hundred percent not one.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  But you know, the strange thing with, with.

• 39:10Trevor Noah?

  Acne is not.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  With weight, when you tell people that you've lost weight, that have never seen new fat.

• 39:15Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  You're wasting your time.

• 39:17Trevor Noah?

  This is true, completely.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  Because we don't know how to reference that.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  Right, right, but I'll tell you this.

• 39:21Trevor Noah?

  Will you give us, will you give us a picture that we can put up for the people? No, no, you don't need to now. Just give us a picture so we can put it up for the people.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  And you must put it upside down for more, for more, not upside down, but you must start it upside down and then it must rotate for more effect.

• 39:35Trevor Noah?

  Okay, cool, I'm down.

• 39:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, and wear more tent tops, just to show us what you've done with your life.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  Also, my, my, my, about the willpower thing, right? With your family and friends.

• 39:46Trevor Noah?

  That's what we're gonna call this episode, Will Power. Get it? Cause your name's Will.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  Thank, thank you.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  I love doing that to Will, cause he does that to us all the time. And when you do it back to him, he looks at you like, how can you live like this?

• 40:03Speaker 01

  So, what made my journey a little bit harder, right? The people I surround myself with, whether they want you to be fat or they, they, they, they, they don't like, they, black community think. If you're not, if you're skinny, you're sick, you're something, something's wrong with you, right?

• 40:21Trevor Noah?

  But that's where, it came from, it came from a real place, though.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, what do you mean?

• 40:26Trevor Noah?

  Well, I mean, for, for almost the entire history of existing. If you were super skinny, it means things were really tough for you and life was not good.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Right, but not super skinny, just more.

• 40:37Trevor Noah?

  Even, even then skinny, like, things were not good for you.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:41Trevor Noah?

  Do you know what I mean? Skinny is a byproduct of, of lack.

• 40:43Speaker 01

  So now, now that we've reversed it, you think now this gonna be the thing, the thing like, you, you're really big.

• 40:49Trevor Noah?

  No, it is. I actually think it is. I do think, I think if you look at society now versus then, and obviously. It's different depending on where you are in the world.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:57Trevor Noah?

  But certain body shapes and types hold a completely different connotation depending on where you are.

• 41:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:04Trevor Noah?

  So now, especially because of Ozempic and these things, now I think people who are heavier. Are going to be seen as being poorer or of that class.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 41:13Trevor Noah?

  Because, because, no, because before it was like a willpower thing. Oh, you, you, you gained, or you, you, you, you overweight. It means that you don't work out or you're struggling. But now it's like, oh, you don't wanna take Ozempic, you don't wanna take these drugs. It also means you can't afford them probably. So I think to your point, that's, that will become very quickly a signifier. Of how people see your, your, your place in society, like what is your station in life? They'll go.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, become class.

• 41:40Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, it becomes, it literally becomes that. Like when we grew up.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:44Trevor Noah?

  The skinnier people, you were immediately like, just looked at as things are not, you, if you're like dad or uncle were skinny.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:52Trevor Noah?

  They're not doing well.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's why in Haiti, back in the days, men used to like the bigger women, cause bigger women meant two things. They were healthy and they could cook.

• 42:01Trevor Noah?

  Oh, there you go.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, so.

• 42:03Trevor Noah?

  Has that, has that changed or is it like stayed the same now?

• 42:06Speaker 01

  It's, it's changed. Now, now they want, they want the small waist for the big butt bumps.

• 42:10Trevor Noah?

  Oh, now they want Instagram essentially. They want the things, okay. So, wait, wait, when was the last time you went to Haiti, by the way? How often do you get back?

• 42:17Speaker 01

  Last, last year, two years ago.

• 42:19Trevor Noah?

  What's it, what's it like when you go?

• 42:21Speaker 01

  Um.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  That long?

• 42:23Speaker 01

  I, I, it's nice. I got, well, the Port-au-Prince is, is, you know, is not doing well.

• 42:31Trevor Noah?

  That's, is that the part that's overrun by gangs and, okay?

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. So imagine like, America, New York City's over by game, but the rest, you know, Miami's still good.

• 42:42Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  You know, Boston's still good, like, it, you know.

• 42:45Trevor Noah?

  When you see it in the news, it's like, don't go to, Haiti as a whole is all just a war zone.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  But if you look at the news, for a long time in the eighties, seventies, eighties, nineties, America, with these countries, they don't only show you the bad part. They only show the bad, bad part. They won't show you, oh, but, and if you fly into this part of town, the sun is out.

• 43:03Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  They only show you the bad part. So what I'm saying was, when I get around my friends, I got teased a lot, like, look at Will, eating, eating trees and leaves. And stuff, you know, you know.

• 43:16Trevor Noah?

  Also now that you've.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Shout out to Keith Robinson, who always teased me. And, and so. I, I had to.

• 43:22Trevor Noah?

  Keith teases everyone.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  I had to either A, stop hanging out with my friends, or B.

• 43:27Trevor Noah?

  This is when you were becoming healthy.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  I'm becoming healthy, on my path to a healthy lifestyle. I had to just eat before I got around them, so I didn't feel, you know, pressure to eat.

• 43:36Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  And, and, and then once I became, once I got comfortable and didn't care what they said and didn't let that affect me. Then I became more of a like a role model to some, inspiration to some.

• 43:47Trevor Noah?

  You've definitely been a role model and inspiration to me. I'm gonna put it out there. If you made a website and you need a testimonial, I'll come on there.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:55Trevor Noah?

  The, the amount of times, can I tell you something? The amount of times I have not eaten something because of Will. Like, you are responsible for fifty pounds I do not have on my body.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  That's a lot. That's good.

• 44:07Trevor Noah?

  The amount of times Will has gone, man, you don't need that, when we're on the road, man, you don't need that.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  But he'll eat it later.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  That's weird, isn't it?

• 44:16Trevor Noah?

  This may or may not be true. No, but I'm serious. You know, you know why? Cause you, you, you've never judged me. I don't see you judge people.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 44:24Trevor Noah?

  But you get into like a very, you get into like a very inspirational, no, Will gets very like, he gets very motivational, like Will will be like. And then he'll be, and then start telling you about like the, the benefits of omega threes and fatty acids in fish. And why you should move to fish and you need this in your body. And then he'll like squeeze, he'll take like a piece of steak from your plate, then he'll squeeze it, then the fat comes out, then he's like, he's like, this fat. This go to your heart, man. This go to your heart. And then he puts it back down and then he like, you gonna eat that? And you're like, no, I'm not gonna eat that.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  You know why, you know why I used to do also? I, I was a big fan of.

• 44:55Trevor Noah?

  This guy, right? No, he does, it's a good thing, but it's, when Will gets into like healthy food mode. It's one of the best shows you'll ever watch in your life, because he's so evangelical about it.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  You see why I listen to thirty percent of what my friends say?

• 45:11Speaker 01

  You know, and I think.

• 45:12Trevor Noah?

  You see what, when you get dialed in, what happens?

• 45:15Speaker 02

  Right, like I'm watching Telemundo, but why am I watching the storyline? Why?

• 45:19Speaker 01

  So I used to do little tricks, right? So one of the tricks I used to do, I, I love cake, right? I used to love cake. So I do this.

• 45:24Trevor Noah?

  Used to?

• 45:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I used to love cake. I would eat, eat two bites and throw it in the, throw it in the garbage. And people are like, you just wasted food, you throwing away food. I'm like, yeah, either I throw that away or I throw this away. I'd rather throw that away. That makes sense?

• 45:37Trevor Noah?

  You know that, you know Will, there were kids in Africa.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay, I'll mail it to them.

• 45:41Trevor Noah?

  There are kids in Africa who didn't have cake and we're those kids, Will.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  And I wish that I was them, cause they never, they, you know, they're skinny and nice and healthy.

• 45:51Trevor Noah?

  So wait, so why would you, why would you, I don't understand. So you did that?

• 45:53Speaker 01

  I eat that whilst, in my, my, while, while I'm, I'm getting the high from that, and then I get rid of it and get rid, cause I'm, I, I got the fix.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, psychologically, you're showing yourself.

• 46:03Trevor Noah?

  Okay, okay, so you wouldn't, so you would go like, I may not be able to resist eating a cake, but I can not finish the cake.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:08Trevor Noah?

  And it's better than nothing.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  It's, it's better than eating a whole cake.

• 46:13Trevor Noah?

  Okay, I like this. This now, this explains why, I see why you're like, I see now why you're a boxer and like, this is like, this is the guy. This is like, you know?

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Also, we always want the best girlfriend or the best boyfriend or the, or the best partner or the best husband, best wife. Right, we always want them, but we never offer the best of us.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Wait, can you just genderize me?

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Okay, the best girlfriend and the best boyfriend, right?

• 46:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  But we never offer the best of us. We offer this person that don't wanna eat healthy, this person that don't wanna exercise, who don't wanna take their career seriously. Don't wanna, so we, we, we, we like, hey, you better take this, you better accept me as is, but you better, you better be on your P's and Q's.

• 46:51Speaker 03

  Here's a question, Will. The, um, you were so obese and I'm not saying.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  Wait, wait.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  How obese was he?

• 47:02Speaker 03

  No, no, you said.

• 47:06Speaker 03

  You said two twenty.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  Every time we turn around, they give him a welcome back party.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  The way you said that.

• 47:13Trevor Noah?

  Were you obese?

• 47:14Speaker 01

  No, I was just, yeah.

• 47:16Speaker 03

  Oh, I don't know what two twenties, cause I work in kilograms.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  A hundred kilos.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  You were a hundred.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  I dropped thirty kilos.

• 47:23Speaker 03

  Okay, a hundred kilos.

• 47:24Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but a hundred kilos for his height.

• 47:25Speaker 03

  Yes, relative. I was gonna say for height depends. And this is a, a honest question.

• 47:30Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 47:31Speaker 03

  Is that you got shocked by the hundred kilos.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  I got shocked?

• 47:35Speaker 03

  Shocked.

• 47:36Trevor Noah?

  By seeing yourself at a hundred kilos.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 47:39Speaker 03

  You, as for you, you said it, not me.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 47:42Speaker 03

  You were naked, you were naked in the hotel room, speaking to a girl.

• 47:46Trevor Noah?

  Flashing your teeth.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  Let me, let me explain to you, so you could visualize what I'm saying.

• 47:50Speaker 03

  Maybe we don't want to.

• 47:51Trevor Noah?

  We wanna visualize this, go, go, go.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  We're so used to seeing the front.

• 47:54Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  By, by mirrors, pictures, all the time. We never see the other part.

• 47:59Trevor Noah?

  Why you wanna see that other part?

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Hold up, Hammer, I'm trying to explain to you, right? He's sorry.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  So the other part is the part that you don't see. And we never seen the front. And let's say you, you remember yourself from high school, right? I'm not sure if you were skinny in high school. I was, I was one thirty in high school, right? I mean, I used to see myself skinny. And let's say I, I didn't, I couldn't see for like twenty years. And now, and I, and I'm like, whoa, who is this person? That's why I'm talking about my back fat. I, I saw my back a long, long time ago. And, and you could see the blades, you know, your, your shoulder blades?

• 48:33Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  And I could, I, I used to always put my finger in, in my, in my back and stuff. I also used to able to touch my back. I can't even do it now. And then when I saw that image, it, it was shocked me. It shocked me. It's almost like, you know, this person who I haven't seen in a long time, and I see, I'm seeing now, I'm like, wow. Does, does that make sense?

• 48:53Speaker 03

  It does make sense. That's what I, that's what I assumed that you said, and that's why you need to repeat it. Now.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  That was what my assumption was. I fully got what you said. Wonderful communicator. I was on board with what you said.

• 49:11Trevor Noah?

  How you felt about your back? That's how we feel about Dave's comments.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  No, that's what I'm saying about the back.

• 49:15Trevor Noah?

  As we see them and we're like, ah!

• 49:17Speaker 03

  I'm saying about the back thing.

• 49:18Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 49:19Speaker 03

  What is your, uh, recommendation for people who don't have that shock moment? Do you see what I'm saying? A lot of people are living, but they, but life does not shock them hard enough that they can make this huge change. So then, I would venture to say, I, I mean, I don't know the percentage, but a huge amount of people are not going to have the shock moment. But if they, if they did what you say, their lives would improve. But they, but without, how are they gonna do it without a shock moment?

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Well, well, well, okay. Let me be a, a little bit more clear. So that was one moment, right? And that, that, that was enough to get me depressed for a long time. Then I had another moment. I was dating this girl, right? Tall, model girl, and I did a show, right? You know, I liked, used to like to wear my tank tops, right? Cause I had nice arms. And I did good. I got on stage, like, good show, good show. I got to her, she said, either wear a shirt or wear the tank top without the stomach.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Have you ever someone tell you something and you, wait, what, what? Cause there's so much.

• 50:27Trevor Noah?

  They chose to tell you that after the show.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you got, ADDs coming out, but that, that's the one that stuck. And I know how to go, cause I'm getting all this high praise, a good show, amazing, blah, blah, blah. Wear a shirt or wear the tank top without a stomach.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  I'm expecting a compliment, but I'm not expecting, and then it hit me like,

• 50:48Speaker 01

  the only thing I could say in my head was, but, but you're having sex with me. You're having sex with this.

• 50:54Speaker 03

  But now that's even, you've answered it.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  And another thing I learned about women, women will date a dude that's not, they're not attracted to, cause they, they find other things attractive about them.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  Well, this is not answering my, my, you understand what my question is?

• 51:06Trevor Noah?

  K one oh five F E out.

• 51:07Speaker 03

  No, you're just saying you had a, you're just saying you had a second shock moment, which is not helping me, which is not helping us who are not having shock moments. I'm saying, what are we?

• 51:17Trevor Noah?

  Will is saying.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  We're in the church.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  That was my rock bottom.

• 51:20Trevor Noah?

  So let me explain, so let me explain.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  Do we have to wait to rock bottom? How can we, a huge amount of people, cause everyone in the world, the sob story you're telling.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Okay, I got it.

• 51:30Speaker 03

  This sob story you're telling, everyone is telling it on the internet. Everyone is telling us.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  Okay, I got it.

• 51:35Speaker 03

  Everyone is telling us about rock bottom.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  If you wanna get that shock moment, send a picture of yourself in your underwears to a modeling company and say, hey, would you hire me?

• 51:44Speaker 03

  That, that's, and, and why won't you?

• 51:48Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 51:48Speaker 03

  No, no, I'm saying, and give a, and please, and please give details on why you won't.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  Act like, hey, look, this is my friend, they wanna be a model.

• 51:56Trevor Noah?

  You know what? I, I hope people, I hope people with low self-esteem are not listening to this episode.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  He asked for it.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  No, but you see what I'm saying? Now I'm asking a reasonable thing. I'm saying the world is, the world is full of shock moments.

• 52:06Trevor Noah?

  Yes, but what I'm saying is this, though.

• 52:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:08Trevor Noah?

  It seems strange to me that you would ask the person who needed a shock moment, what people should do if they don't have a shock moment. Because he's told us that he's, he achieved this through shock moments. So I wouldn't assume that he knows what to do without the shock moments.

• 52:22Speaker 03

  Okay, let's just, let's just place this whole thing.

• 52:24Trevor Noah?

  Maybe the real shock moment was not seeing your back, was that woman being mean to you.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  Wait, can I say some, can I say something else?

• 52:29Trevor Noah?

  No, you can't say anything else. Hold on, we're done, we're done. It's it for you.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  Dave, you know how many people?

• 52:34Trevor Noah?

  You're a portal prince right now. You can't be touched.

• 52:36Speaker 01

  You know how many people have shock moments but still don't do anything about it?

• 52:41Speaker 03

  It is that a shock moment?

• 52:42Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, then it's not.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, yes. A lot of people hit rock bottom and they still can still to the small crack.

• 52:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  Or, or, or lose everything, their house, everything, their kids, their wife, and still go gamble soon as they get another dollar.

• 52:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, because, yes, but also because quitters never win.

• 52:58Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 53:01Trevor Noah?

  To those people who have hit rock bottom, people who have lost their houses, taken crack, all of it. As they said, dust yourself off and try again.

• 53:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. What I'm saying to you, Will, forget these guys.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  Quitters never win.

• 53:14Speaker 03

  Forget these guys. Forget these guys. What I'm saying to you.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  You never quit being a winner.

• 53:21Speaker 03

  So, no, I'm joking, you know, I'm joking, I'm joking.

• 53:24Trevor Noah?

  Don't go anywhere, cause we got more What Now after this.

• 53:31Trevor Noah?

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• 54:16Trevor Noah?

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• 55:01Trevor Noah?

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• 55:05Trevor Noah?

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• 55:44Trevor Noah?

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• 56:26Trevor Noah?

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• 57:06Trevor Noah?

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• 57:41Trevor Noah?

  What I've always appreciated about you is you are able to choose a path and then go just, you know, straight down that path. You know, you, you really are strong-willed, like your name. What is, where does Wilner come from? What does Wilner mean?

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Wilner.

• 57:57Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, what does it mean? Do you know?

• 58:00Speaker 01

  Look at that, Dave.

• 58:01Trevor Noah?

  Wilner has to mean something.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  You're a man on the streets.

• 58:03Speaker 03

  You've been your whole life now with Conter.

• 58:07Trevor Noah?

  He doesn't, we don't, we don't surprise you, um, but like.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  Pull it, pull it up, Dave.

• 58:12Trevor Noah?

  So here's what I'm, here's what I'm saying.

• 58:18Trevor Noah?

  Unbelievable.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  Who's the tech?

• 58:21Trevor Noah?

  Put it up there.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  Who's the tech guy? And let's go to the matter. Dave?

• 58:25Trevor Noah?

  Oh, wow. Look at this. It's beautiful. So this is amazing. So I'm seeing here.

• 58:30Trevor Noah?

  The surname, well, I guess it was a surname. So I guess you just have it as a name. But it is a German and Jewish name, which in Yiddish means Wilna Vilna.

• 58:43Trevor Noah?

  And it generally means

• 58:48Trevor Noah?

  Resolute Protector is what it means.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Which is what you're currently doing.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. You're Resolute.

• 58:57Trevor Noah?

  Protecting us from cake.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  And you're trying to protect us from our worst health.

• 59:00Trevor Noah?

  Can I ask you a question? I'm not saying this to be facetious.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  Facetious, she lives in my building. Facetious. Facetious, get down here. You got a package.

• 59:09Trevor Noah?

  Oh, you see, but when I do to him, you see now, I told you.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  I felt sorry for you. Not anymore hammer.

• 59:15Trevor Noah?

  So where do you think we find the balance in life between living life optimally and living life enjoyably? I'll tell you why I asked this question. Do you know Brian Johnson? The guy, don't die. He's that dude who's doing all the experiments on himself.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Oh, the one on Netflix?

• 59:36Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy. And he's like, he has scientists take his, draw his blood like multiple times a day. He went, so his, the long version, the short version of his story is he made a lot of money in the tech sector, I believe. Found himself very depressed, almost suicidal. Was overweight, really struggling in life. Something switched for him and he was like, I've got to like fix this. Dedicated himself and his life to science. He's like, I want to figure out how to be healthier and live better.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Live longer.

• 1:00:06Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, and live long. But the main thing was not like live longer. It's sort of like live healthier to Will's point. Right? So he starts embarking on these experiments, assembles a team, crazy amount of scientists. They draw his blood, they run tests on him. They try and understand the effects of everything. Food, alcohol, sleep, exercise, etc. And they always try and like figure out a more optimal way to do things. Right? Now, I actually like a lot of what Brian's doing because he clearly says that, look, this is not the answer. It's just what we're finding with myself. Right? And a lot of the things he offers you are actually quite, he goes like, here's what we found is most impactful with sleep.

• 1:00:49Trevor Noah?

  You know, and he'll be like, this is what's most impactful with working out. This is what is most impactful. All of this stuff is great. But then I bumped into Brian at some event that was happening in Sweden.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Illuminati.

• 1:01:06Trevor Noah?

  Okay, we just call it the hang.

• 1:01:10Trevor Noah?

  Then, then it's like 11:00 PM at night. There's music playing and everything. Then I said to Brian, isn't it past your bedtime? Because he goes to bed at like 5:00 or 6:00 PM.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  That's when it's optimal.

• 1:01:25Trevor Noah?

  Then he goes, yeah, but I mean, because I'm out now, I'm doing this. Then I said to him, and this was an honest question, I said, do you ever wonder how much your life is now becoming the antithesis of what you're sort of saying? Because like,

• 1:01:41Trevor Noah?

  you're having fun, you've even said it, you're having fun right now. Right? The reason you're having fun is because you're going against optimal.

• 1:01:49Speaker 02

  Doing what you're supposed to be doing.

• 1:01:50Trevor Noah?

  Sleeping at the perfect time is optimal. Sleeping alone is optimal in many ways.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  Is it?

• 1:01:56Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Haven't you seen those things where they go like you, it's like

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  Sleeping alone is more optimal.

• 1:02:01Trevor Noah?

  For many metrics, not for all.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, I get you.

• 1:02:03Trevor Noah?

  But for your temperature, sleep disruptions, all of these things. That's why in like, you know, when you go to Germany and some Scandinavian countries, when you go to a hotel, they don't have one duvet cover. They have two, even on a, on a, on a

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  Double bed.

• 1:02:18Trevor Noah?

  On a king bed or whatever, it's two.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  You'd imagine, just quickly, you'd imagine that someone who have developed the technology where you start together and then through the course of the night, the beds split.

• 1:02:30Trevor Noah?

  That's actually not a bad idea. So

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  So you can hire someone to do it while you guys are sleeping. Sorry, sorry.

• 1:02:39Trevor Noah?

  So what we, what we were chatting about is I said, you're having fun, right? And he said, yes. And I said, do you acknowledge that a lot of this fun that you're having, it's not ideal and not optimal? And he's like, yeah. And then I said to him, could we say that your life is more fun than when you were only doing the experiments? And he said, yes, it is. And then I said, now, how do you find the value of that in life? And that's the question I'm sort of posing to you as I go. We can not eat anything unhealthy. We can not do anything unhealthy. We can't, but yo, man, like monkeys get high sometimes. You know what I mean? Dolphins get high.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  They're high because of us.

• 1:03:21Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, no, no, Will. What are you talking about?

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  The, the stuff with dolphins? Did you hear about the, the, the sharks that's on, that's on cocaine?

• 1:03:29Trevor Noah?

  There's a lot of, yes, there's a lot of cocaine in the water. There's a lot of fish that they find in cocaine.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  Elephants with the marula. I'm saying the marula.

• 1:03:37Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, elephants get drunk on the marula fruits.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 1:03:40Trevor Noah?

  So there's a fruit that we have in South Africa. And when it ferments, the elephants will purposefully wait for it to ferment. And then they consume like copious amounts.

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  Called bootlegger elephants.

• 1:03:51Trevor Noah?

  And then they get drunk.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  Did that elephant go home and be his kids and his wife?

• 1:04:04Trevor Noah?

  So what I'm saying is, where do you or how do you find the balance?

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  Wait, so how did your, the story with your friend end? So you said to him right now?

• 1:04:14Trevor Noah?

  No, he just acknowledged. He was like, yeah, he's like, you make a good point. He said, I, because I said in all of your tests, you are able to measure the impact that these

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  Activities.

• 1:04:23Trevor Noah?

  Activities have on your life because you can't track them. But I was like, but you can't track the, the, the value of community.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  Fun.

• 1:04:29Trevor Noah?

  You can't track the value of fun. You can't, like, whenever I see those stories about people who've lived beyond a hundred, they'll always go into like, oh, yeah, they walk a lot and they eat well and they just

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  Eat the same shitty food.

• 1:04:41Trevor Noah?

  But you know what they also all have? They have community, they have a good time, they have friends, they, they, they all seem like they also lived like a full life. So what I'm, what I'm asking you as well, not even challenging you, what I want to understand is like, how do you find the balance between living your life fully optimally?

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:04:57Trevor Noah?

  And then also like indulging when you, when you want to.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Okay, I'll tell you this. I started noticing the small things in life that's enjoyable. The stuff that I, I would pass by.

• 1:05:09Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Whether it's sit down and really listen to that song that I claim I like. Listen to the lyrics. Try to pick out the bass, try to pick out the drums. Or

• 1:05:19Trevor Noah?

  This is because you can't have cake.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  No, but, but they, we, we, we, we so quick to live like this.

• 1:05:25Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:25Speaker 01

  As opposed to sit down and, and you know, or like when I, now when I go for a walk, I'm noticing things about the street, about buildings, about people. You know, you find other, I, I've been finding, obviously not for everybody. I've been finding other, other things that I enjoy, that I, I, I like and, or you know.

• 1:05:42Trevor Noah?

  Appreciate.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  I appreciate, I'm like, wow, life, life is crazy. In a good way, life is, there's so much to life.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  That's how I live my life.

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  But when you, when you, look, I, I, I'm not judging anybody at all, you know.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  Judge as you look around them, Will.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  Judge. But when you drink or you take drugs, you, you, all that's a blur now.

• 1:06:02Trevor Noah?

  Man, you crazy. Get out of here with this. This guy's going to come and tell us about noticing. Man, you, you crazy and you're out of your mind. There's people who will go and do mushrooms, they'll see more than you can ever like just see.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  Why, why you say with drugs, did I? Because I do believe some drugs, I think marijuana is healthier for you than cigarettes.

• 1:06:21Trevor Noah?

  Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay. So you're not saying like just everything?

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  I'm not saying hardcore drugs are hardcore liquor.

• 1:06:26Trevor Noah?

  You've never drank though?

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  I don't drink, no.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  At all, you've never touched alcohol?

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  I, I, I started drinking, I tell you, I started drinking red wine when they said red wine is good for your heart. And I started drinking a cup a day. Then I started, I'm like, oh, you got to drink. Then I found out red wine has resveratrol in it. Resveratrol is the closest thing to the front of the yute. So, so it slows down your aging process. But the amount you got to drink, the amount of alcohol, alcohol you got to drink, red wine.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  To get that, yeah.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  So they, they, they make them in supplements. Because they, they, the inside of grape seed leaves, grape, you know, grape seeds? Grapes, grapes, the, the, the inside of the, the skin, that's where they extract the resveratrol. And, and then I now just take supplements. I don't need, I don't need to drink red wine.

• 1:07:11Trevor Noah?

  So when Will goes to a restaurant with you, he's insufferable. They'll be like, would you like anything to drink? And then Will's like, I'll just take the glass. I brought my resveratrol myself.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  And the sommelier comes.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  But you know, now, so, exactly, oh, here goes another thing. I enjoy water now. Like, like not, not just drinking it for thirsty, but I taste in the water. Because our taste buds become so impaired and, and, and

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  Numbed.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  Numbed and, and, and, and layers and layers and water is just, wow, water. But when, when you, when I stopped

• 1:07:46Trevor Noah?

  Do you, do you believe in vaccines?

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  Do I believe, like, like, like Santa Claus?

• 1:07:51Trevor Noah?

  Do you think people should get vaccinated?

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  I, I don't know enough about, I'm not saying, I'm not saying yes or no. Hear me out, hear me out. Because you're about to, you're going to come in of, of, of no vaccine.

• 1:08:01Trevor Noah?

  No, I just wanted to know.

• 1:08:03Speaker 02

  I just wanted to know who I'm dealing with.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  I do believe vaccines will help and yes, they, they fix, they help save maybe mankind from dying out.

• 1:08:13Trevor Noah?

  Okay, okay. No, that's fine. That's all I was asking you.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  But same thing with like a car. Car is, you could take it from A to B. All car could also have killed people.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:23Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. That's, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, no, no.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  People probably making vaccines just for the, for the money, you know?

• 1:08:28Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, I, that's all I, no, I was trying to understand like who I'm dealing with.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  No, no, no, there's no such thing as all vaccines are bad.

• 1:08:36Trevor Noah?

  No, no, that, that's, that's what I was, I was just waiting to see.

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  So what happened to that girlfriend that told you tank top or polo neck?

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  What happened to her? The one who said, yo, man.

• 1:08:48Speaker 01

  We're actually, we're actually still, still cool.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  Are you still dating?

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  No, no, no. In fact, in fact, one of, one of the reasons why we probably stopped dating is because, it's going to sound crazy.

• 1:09:04Trevor Noah?

  Say it, Will.

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  So, so on my path to be a healthier lifestyle, I, I started cutting down on sex. Right, but I feel like just having random sex with, with random women. Not random sex, random sex, random, random women.

• 1:09:21Trevor Noah?

  So the sex wasn't random, the women were random?

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:23Trevor Noah?

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  It just, and I realized I could just smash myself and then nobody get hurt.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  And roll.

• 1:09:33Trevor Noah?

  Uh uh uh uh. Rock and roll. Will. Listen here.

• 1:09:43Trevor Noah?

  Uh uh. Rock and roll. Ladies and gentlemen.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  Wait.

• 1:09:49Trevor Noah?

  He killed the A D D.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Hand me out.

• 1:09:51Trevor Noah?

  Can I just say what I. You find me at the back.

• 1:09:56Trevor Noah?

  Smash your four E knee. You went from. You went from random, no consequence.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Can I just say.

• 1:10:02Trevor Noah?

  Sex to I can do this myself.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Can I just say. Hand me out.

• 1:10:05Trevor Noah?

  We don't talk about chai tea here. Yo, what an emotional, what an emotional journey we've been on. I did not, I, there's no way I thought you were gonna say that. Will started, wait, wait. I will. Just, just to catch, if you, if you're just tuning in, uh, you might be wondering what journey we've been on. Um, Will, Will Sylvince regaled us with tales of how he found himself unattractive when he saw himself in the mirror from behind. And then has now taken us on a journey. Where he's landed at a place where he was losing so much weight that now I guess you were like, I would hit it from the back.

• 1:10:41Trevor Noah?

  He was. Now, when I'm trying to solve one problem, you start another one. When now. So now that we all caught up. Sorry, there was an in-between, sorry. Which one? In, no, I'm saying in you took the turn because Eugene asked, what happened to that girlfriend? Yes. Yeah, but he's telling us. Yeah, yes, you answered the question, not in the way we thought you were gonna answer it.

• 1:11:03Trevor Noah?

  He's a bad thing. Yeah. But how did that, do you know, did you tell her that, oh, by the way, I figured out there's a better way?

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  No, so, so, so that was a point in my life is like, I, I don't like lying, right? To, to women or to, to people, I, if I, if I call you a friend, why, why, why should I lie to you? But you know, we lie.

• 1:11:25Trevor Noah?

  Strangers, we don't, you're in there.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  I, so I'm, yeah, I lie to strangers all day.

• 1:11:28Trevor Noah?

  Okay, cool.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that CBS is that way.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  But.

• 1:11:41Trevor Noah?

  Vaccines, they're great.

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  I say that.

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  So it's like, it's like, um, I feel like we use people just for, for, for our fix, for our high, whatever that high is, where you just wanna, you know? And, and then we use people and then, and then, and especially when you know this person is into you, you know this person wants you like that. And yet you still do that to them, you still.

• 1:12:07Trevor Noah?

  That's what random people that are not close to us in our lives are there for. They are Mr. Nicky. Hey, I'm Mr. Nicky's. And then they show up, they're there to serve a purpose, and then when, when they're done, they explode and disappear.

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  Right. The other part of that is strangers, you don't know who, you don't know what kind of stranger that person is. They come knock on your door or they come with, with some kind of weapon, like, yeah, you're gonna stop avoiding me now.

• 1:12:29Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, no, no. Go back, go back, go back. I like what you're saying though. Carry on. Yeah. So you're saying, you have this realization.

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  So it's like, it's like, I, I don't wanna, and.

• 1:12:38Trevor Noah?

  But what I, what I wanna know is which side of the equation did you feel you were on?

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  Well, okay, let me explain this. Let me, let me clear, just probably clear it up. The, the, the, the amount of level of respect I have for women, right? Strangers or not, it, it comes from my dad, right? My dad always said that when you got a good woman in your life, make sure you take care of her.

• 1:12:57Trevor Noah?

  Define good woman.

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  Good woman, that's a good woman, that's a good, you know, a good woman, a good woman.

• 1:13:01Trevor Noah?

  No, I don't. No, good, I get what he's saying. No, no, no. However you define it.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 1:13:05Trevor Noah?

  No, he's saying however, good for you. But there has to be, there has to be a base.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  What's your, what's a good woman to you versus a, a bad woman?

• 1:13:12Trevor Noah?

  This is not about me, Will.

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  No, not a bad woman versus a good one. I'm saying, what's.

• 1:13:16Trevor Noah?

  I wouldn't know. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  You wouldn't know?

• 1:13:18Trevor Noah?

  No, but that's what I'm saying. It's.

• 1:13:19Speaker 01

  But people.

• 1:13:20Trevor Noah?

  Will, don't fall into this trap.

• 1:13:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:13:22Trevor Noah?

  Carry on.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  So, so my dad always say, when, whenever you have a good woman in your life, right? Make sure you always take care and pay. Even if they make more money than you, the world treat women like shit for a long time. Either they underpaid them or they, they, they, when a crime happened, they don't believe them, or what were you doing there? What were you wearing? So it's like, it's like, as a kid, I didn't, I'm like, what, what is he talking about? And then as I was getting older and watching and watching, and I, I started realizing, man, we treat women, and women are the nature, they nurture, they, they nurture this planet. You know, without women, where would we be? You know? So it's like, we treat, we treat a group of people this way.

• 1:14:03Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  Mistreat them, underpay them, don't listen to their word, say, say they talk too much, you know? The whole thing about women talk too much is because in the back of the day, men didn't want women talking, so any little talk, they was talking too much. So now when they get.

• 1:14:20Trevor Noah?

  How long ago was this?

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  This, this, as, early sixties, women couldn't talk while a man was talking, you know? Women were not allowed to have bank accounts. Women was not, you, you know, when, when, when people say, man, my grandparents, they stayed together to, to forever. Nowadays, they don't do that. You know why your grandmother stayed with your grandfather? Because she had no choice. She had, she had no money. And if she left, people looked at her as used goods.

• 1:14:46Trevor Noah?

  I'm gonna clip that and just send it to everyone who says, my parents, my grandparents stayed together. That is a perfect clip. Thank you, Will. I'm just gonna use that clip and send it to everyone. I'm gonna design an A I agent that is gonna find people on the internet who say, I'm so proud my grandparents stayed together, that I'm gonna throw that video of Will. The only reason your grandparents stayed together. Sorry, carry on.

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  And, and so your grand, your grandmother had no choice because a, a woman, a, a, a divorced woman or, or a mother was looked at as like, oh, you, you obviously didn't learn your lesson. So women stayed in these shitty relationships and eventually the, the man came about because he got too old. Or then, or the people started noticing, so he couldn't be, so then he became a good husband by the time he was sixty, seventy, eighty years old.

• 1:15:33Trevor Noah?

  So how does this, how does this apply?

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  Grandfather, you're like, wow, grandfather and grandmother is nice.

• 1:15:38Trevor Noah?

  Wait, but then how does this apply to you and the girl?

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  Oh, I was, I was getting, so my dad told me, my dad told me like, you know, you treat these.

• 1:15:45Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You told us the dancing.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  Right? So, so now I'm, I'm getting, I, I'm realizing, wow, this girl.

• 1:15:51Trevor Noah?

  Treats you bad.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  This girl is a nice girl, right? Now, the fact that she told that to me in my face told me like, wow, this is a good person.

• 1:15:59Trevor Noah?

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, nah, bro, nah.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  Let me explain.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  Let me explain.

• 1:16:06Trevor Noah?

  Yo, bro.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  Let me explain.

• 1:16:08Trevor Noah?

  My friend, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, my friend. You've done a gig, you're getting adoration, people are complimenting you on a high. Will, will, will. She decided to tell you. I don't know who this person is. I don't know what your situation was. But let me tell you something now.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  Shout out to Esther.

• 1:16:23Trevor Noah?

  Let me tell you something now, Will. If you just come off stage. And people are high-fiving you, telling you what a great set you've just done. And then you get to the person that you were romantically linked with. Yes. And you get ready to give them a high five and instead they say to you, either wear.

• 1:16:43Speaker 01

  Wear a shirt.

• 1:16:44Trevor Noah?

  Wear a shirt.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  Or wear the tank top.

• 1:16:46Trevor Noah?

  Wear the tank top.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  Without the stomach.

• 1:16:47Trevor Noah?

  Without the stomach.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:16:51Trevor Noah?

  That, my friend, is not kind.

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:16:53Trevor Noah?

  Switch roles, switch roles. That is not kind. If she was a female comedian and you were a husband.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:16:58Trevor Noah?

  Oh, her boyfriend. Yo. And she had just done a gig and you said that.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Let me answer his question about the switching roles. We've been treating women like shit forever, so that wouldn't work the other way around. So you, a man can't tell a, a man can't tell a woman that, cause, cause we, we.

• 1:17:13Trevor Noah?

  Wait, Will, Will, Will, wait, Will.

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  Let me address this now. Well, hold on, can I, can I get a chance to address this, Hammer?

• 1:17:20Trevor Noah?

  Will.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:17:21Trevor Noah?

  No.

• 1:17:23Speaker 01

  There's no right or wrong way to let someone know.

• 1:17:26Trevor Noah?

  There is.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  Okay, look, to you, to, look, there's no, maybe she felt like if I don't tell her now, I'm gonna forget.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  I can't, I can't fault her.

• 1:17:43Trevor Noah?

  You can.

• 1:17:43Speaker 01

  I can't fault her when she, when she.

• 1:17:45Trevor Noah?

  Two things can be true at the same time.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  It's one thing, okay, it's one thing she told me in front of everybody, hey, hey, wear, wear a shirt and wear the tank top. She told me that in a, in a private space.

• 1:17:55Trevor Noah?

  Will, I agree with what Eugene is saying. Two things can be true at the same time. And I think that's, that's very valid and important to remember in life because I think, and this is, you forgive me if I speak for you, comrade, I think.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:18:07Trevor Noah?

  This, this is something that we generally are all too comfortable with as society. We just swing from one extreme to another. We love it. We just swing from one extreme to another. All good, all bad, all old, all new, all.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  You're the best.

• 1:18:28Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. So what Eugene is saying is very important.

• 1:18:34Trevor Noah?

  Two things can be true at the same time. A society dominated and controlled by men could have been responsible for the oppression and subjugation of countless women. This is completely true. And a woman, as a human being and an individual not representing anyone else of her gender, can do something to you, who happens to be a man, in an unkind way. Both things can exist at the same time. So what we're disagreeing with is we're going, we're not saying women weren't treated better. No, no, no.

• 1:19:09Trevor Noah?

  But we're saying, we can't now say this person has an inability to be unkind or be an asshole in a moment because of what has happened to an entire gender. Does that make sense?

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  Right. Can I address that?

• 1:19:21Trevor Noah?

  Does this make sense?

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:19:23Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, so, so we're, that's what we're saying from the telling of your story. Maybe you're not telling the story correctly. I'm just saying to you as an observer. A, as an observer of the story, this is what I'm saying, cause I wasn't, cause I wasn't.

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  Can I address that?

• 1:19:35Trevor Noah?

  Oh, yeah, of course you can.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  As human beings, even in like, there's no owner's manual on how to handle situations or how to live life or how to approach things.

• 1:19:46Trevor Noah?

  There is, my friend. It's called the Bible. All right? You better read it.

• 1:19:50Trevor Noah?

  But.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  There's no order's manual on how to do things, how to do, so you, we, we go as we learn as we go for the most part.

• 1:19:57Trevor Noah?

  No, I definitely think it is.

• 1:19:59Speaker 01

  For the most part, we go, we learn as we go.

• 1:20:01Trevor Noah?

  In all seriousness, we teach it to kids for them to become better human beings.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  Teach what?

• 1:20:05Trevor Noah?

  Lead with kindness.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  But, but, okay, okay, okay.

• 1:20:08Trevor Noah?

  That's like basic, basic.

• 1:20:09Speaker 01

  You hear what he said?

• 1:20:10Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  You teach it to kids. If you do not know, then how can you teach it?

• 1:20:15Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  Hold up, Hammer, hold up, hold up.

• 1:20:17Trevor Noah?

  Every child is taught please and thank you.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:20:19Trevor Noah?

  That's leading with kindness.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, but if you, okay, not every child, that's your assumption. That's your assumption. Not every kid is taught.

• 1:20:25Trevor Noah?

  Almost every kid.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  Not every kid. Hold up, hold up.

• 1:20:28Trevor Noah?

  No child that's, that's, that's raised in a root.

• 1:20:30Speaker 01

  What you're doing is, you're doing what? The K K K day, blanket a group of people, this is how they all are. This is how they all are.

• 1:20:38Trevor Noah?

  Just said, you're doing what the K K K.

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  You just, you just, you might as well join the K K K.

• 1:20:43Trevor Noah?

  Just get a shot of Eugene, right? He's doing what the K K K did.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  You're just like, this is what they all do.

• 1:20:49Trevor Noah?

  Will just came with the craziest, yo, if I'm ever trying to win an argument, I'm gonna use Will's tactics on anyone, bro. You try to mess with me. Let me tell you what you're doing, mom. You. Doing KKK sex.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  You're some all kids.

• 1:21:05Trevor Noah?

  Okay, wait, wait, but we derailed you. What's more important, Will, is so how did the relationship and what happened?

• 1:21:11Speaker 01

  Well, I, I, I, so it's two, it's two things.

• 1:21:15Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but let's go. What happened?

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  So I wasn't having sex with her.

• 1:21:19Speaker 02

  From the day she told you where she.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:21:22Speaker 02

  Even before?

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  No, no, in our relationship, I was avoiding having sex with her.

• 1:21:26Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  Right? Because I, I, I, I was so very, I was very religious and stuff. And, and I was thinking about, you know, saving my.

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  And, and, and then, and then, and then also, but most important, I wasn't sure if I wanted to be in a long term with her.

• 1:21:43Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  So that, but, but I knew like, I knew that if I had sex with her, that's like, oh, oh. So what, what, what's gonna happen? What's, what we doing with this now?

• 1:21:52Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, I'm with you.

• 1:21:53Speaker 01

  And so I didn't want to have to lie. And then now I had to, because she provided good services to my life. She was honest. She, uh, she made me look good. She gave me some good advice. So I didn't want to lose this friend over sex. Over like, oh, nah, I don't want to have sex with her no more. Does that make sense?

• 1:22:11Trevor Noah?

  So, so, so you could, did you tell her this?

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  No, I, no, I didn't, I didn't have that built in me to have that type of conversation.

• 1:22:17Trevor Noah?

  So you didn't want to lie to her, but you didn't want to tell the truth?

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:22:21Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, because, because, because people like me were looked at as nerds or, or they looked at, oh yeah, he must be gay if he's not doing, dealing with women. So it's like, I didn't know, I didn't have the skills.

• 1:22:32Trevor Noah?

  Okay, got it, got it.

• 1:22:32Speaker 01

  To know how to, how to express this.

• 1:22:36Trevor Noah?

  Okay, so you were just like, you were just like, it's over.

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  Or, or, no, I didn't say it's over. I, I was like, we, it just kind of faded away and stuff.

• 1:22:43Trevor Noah?

  So she, so she saw you lose the weight. So she was dating you and you were, by your words, overweight?

• 1:22:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Trevor Noah?

  Then you lost the weight and you were like, peace out?

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:22:54Trevor Noah?

  No, I'm saying that's what it like.

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  It looks like to her, yeah.

• 1:22:56Speaker 01

  We broke up before that.

• 1:22:57Trevor Noah?

  Oh, okay, okay, okay.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  I told, I told you it took me another two years.

• 1:23:00Trevor Noah?

  Okay, got it, got it. Okay, so this happened in the two year period.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  So after the tank top incident, you guys were still together for two years?

• 1:23:05Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no. I, I took another two years to change where I think about.

• 1:23:08Trevor Noah?

  His mindset for food and everything.

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  So but how long were you together before you broke up after the tank?

• 1:23:12Speaker 01

  Probably a month, a month, two, two, two, three months.

• 1:23:14Speaker 02

  And what was the straw that broke the camel's back?

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  We would not, we would, you know, she wanted some penis.

• 1:23:19Speaker 02

  And?

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  I, I, I was like, oh man, I gotta go to a show.

• 1:23:22Trevor Noah?

  She was out of stock.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  Okay, so.

• 1:23:24Speaker 01

  Out of stock.

• 1:23:24Speaker 02

  Okay, so here, here, here's a woman going, yo, let's hook up. And you keep avoiding the hooking up?

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:30Speaker 02

  And then how does that situation come to a head? Like at the end, how does she go?

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  It, it, it's one of those things that, so relationships escalate because.

• 1:23:38Trevor Noah?

  They do what?

• 1:23:39Speaker 01

  The more intimate.

• 1:23:40Trevor Noah?

  Huh? Is this like racial?

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  Racial?

• 1:23:43Trevor Noah?

  We need a dictionary, by the way.

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  Escalate, racial, relationships.

• 1:23:47Trevor Noah?

  If I, that's one thing I need is a Will Silvins dictionary.

• 1:23:51Speaker 02

  I'm starting to learn that too.

• 1:23:52Trevor Noah?

  Of the, of your words.

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  Which, which word?

• 1:23:54Trevor Noah?

  Cause now we just added a new one.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  Which word did you want? Escalate?

• 1:23:56Trevor Noah?

  Escalate.

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  Escalate.

• 1:23:57Trevor Noah?

  Escalate.

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:59Speaker 02

  So they go high.

• 1:24:00Trevor Noah?

  Escalate.

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  Escalate.

• 1:24:01Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, escalate.

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  What does that say?

• 1:24:03Trevor Noah?

  Escalate, which I'm gonna use, by the way. You know me, I take all of your words, bro.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  Escalate is not the same thing?

• 1:24:07Trevor Noah?

  No.

• 1:24:08Speaker 01

  What does that mean?

• 1:24:08Trevor Noah?

  No.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  Escalate.

• 1:24:09Trevor Noah?

  Escalate is when somebody goes on an escalator and then ejaculates. That's escalation.

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  I thought you were better than that.

• 1:24:21Speaker 01

  Technically, I was on an escalate.

• 1:24:25Trevor Noah?

  Wait, no, escalation, so yeah?

• 1:24:26Speaker 02

  So, yeah, too much of avoiding.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  Usually relationships

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  es- es- escalate because you get, you're doing more things together, you, you're more intimate, you're more kissing, more petting, more, more hanging out in parks or cooking dinners. So, but when that don't happen, it just kind of, it's just like two ships. They just kind of start falling apart. That makes sense? So that's what. But, but they didn't climb like, ah, never again.

• 1:24:55Trevor Noah?

  Okay, got it.

• 1:24:55Speaker 01

  They're just like, hey, I'll talk to you later. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like one of those relationships.

• 1:24:59Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  Okay, but here, wait, here's my thing.

• 1:25:04Speaker 02

  It's two months, almost, of no intimacy. She's asking you, you're coming up with excuses. You're doing a gig, you're going away, you don't feel like it, you have a headache. How does that, how does that relationship end? How, who says who?

• 1:25:17Trevor Noah?

  No one, no one set anyone down is what he's saying.

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  It's not, it just fades away.

• 1:25:21Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, no one set anyone down.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  So no one, no one calls anyone?

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  There's no conversation. It's, it's like when you start dating, but nothing's.

• 1:25:27Trevor Noah?

  It's a slow fade, Eugene.

• 1:25:28Speaker 01

  It's a slow fade. Like, you know, hey, we'll go out next week, but it's not the fine, next week is not the fine versus if you wanted to go, hey, let's go out Tuesday. Or what you doing Wednesday? Versus, all right, I'll see you next week. We'll like hang out, go to the movies.

• 1:25:41Speaker 03

  It's like ghosting in a way, but, but a ghost end. But fade away. No, no, no, no, it's not ghosting. I'm trying to explain. Eugene seems to not be getting this idea.

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  No, I, I, I, but what I'm trying to say is if this activity that most people enjoy, men and women enjoy.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Right, so it's activity?

• 1:26:01Speaker 02

  Sex.

• 1:26:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  If all of a sudden you feel like you don't want to do it with that person, but you don't want to tell them you don't want to do it.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  It's not that you don't want to do it.

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  What was it?

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  I, I, I, I was too religious.

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  To do it?

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I didn't, I didn't have the, the skill set to tell her that I was into my religion.

• 1:26:17Speaker 02

  But you wanted to do it?

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:19Speaker 02

  But you didn't want to do it because of her religion?

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  I didn't, look, if she was, if she was one of these, you know how it goes, like, hey, I just want to hug butt naked and, and, and I'm cool with that. I'm, yeah, all right, cool, let's do that. I'll be down with that.

• 1:26:32Trevor Noah?

  But you didn't know how to, how to, um.

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  I didn't know how to express.

• 1:26:35Trevor Noah?

  No, I understand. You were dealing with two conflicting issues at the same time. One was your, your new devotion to religion and then the other one was.

• 1:26:42Speaker 01

  Not new religion was since I was born.

• 1:26:46Trevor Noah?

  No, but if that's the case, then Will, then why did you? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Your new devotion to the religion.

• 1:26:51Speaker 02

  How you are willing to commit yourself to it?

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  But, but it's, it's, this was since I was, I was li- little. I, I got weak. Yes, I had weak moments.

• 1:27:00Trevor Noah?

  That's what I'm saying. So your new devotion, that's what I mean still.

• 1:27:02Speaker 02

  So your religion did not include you having sex with anyone?

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  I, I.

• 1:27:07Trevor Noah?

  That's what, but that's what I'm saying. So I'm saying you were conflicted at that.

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:10Trevor Noah?

  I want to know what, what changed in life? What like?

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  I, I started, I started realizing, um, the religion I was followed was, was all, you know.

• 1:27:21Speaker 02

  Wait, a religion that tells me I mustn't smash a model?

• 1:27:27Speaker 02

  Some religions, like, don't eat bacon. I'm like. I've dropped religions for smaller, minor, minor inferences. You only eat fish and eat them.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 1:27:40Speaker 02

  You had to break up with a model because of religion and then you took your walk to go.

• 1:27:46Speaker 01

  I didn't break up with her. I, look, I never had experience with relationships. So I never really had, like, I didn't know what to do. I, I just never. I didn't, no one sent you to school, no one tell you what to do.

• 1:27:57Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, no, no, I get it. I get it. It makes sense. It makes sense.

• 1:28:00Speaker 02

  In, in your dad's words, was she a good woman?

• 1:28:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was. Look, ninety-nine percent of the women that come in my life are good women. A lot of women are good women. We just, we, sometimes people, not just men, people treat a certain person like crap and they, they become, they, they can't take it no more. They, and they, and they become whatever they become, you know, but.

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  Wait, so if ninety-nine percent of the women that you.

• 1:28:23Speaker 01

  Ninety-nine percent in my life.

• 1:28:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, that you were with were good. So how many of them percentage was a left behind?

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  The what?

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  Like are still in your life?

• 1:28:31Speaker 01

  They, they want to be in my life. They, they welcome to be in my life.

• 1:28:34Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm saying in that percentage of ninety-nine percent of women that were in your life were good, how much percent are still in your life now?

• 1:28:42Speaker 01

  That's not how life works. People come and go in your life constantly, like, like, like a ship comes and it sails away. People come and go.

• 1:28:48Speaker 02

  Not in the strength of hummus.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  You know, so, so I, I feel like we don't, you shouldn't hurt friendships like you hurt like a hoarder. You know what I'm saying? If, if it's time for the relationship to go, then, you know, it's fine. But there's no hard feelings. There's no.

• 1:29:08Trevor Noah?

  It just, yeah, it.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  It just, hey.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, but I feel like.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  You ever had, you ever had a friend that you, you talked to all the time and then all of a sudden you just feel nothing bad happened? You start calling Shelly Lester and then now, now, you have been thinking about it. Next, you know, six months you haven't heard from this person, but not like, like, wow, it just happened naturally.

• 1:29:26Trevor Noah?

  It's a, it's a time, it's a time and a phase in life, right?

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:29Trevor Noah?

  Everything has its season.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that doesn't mean the person is good or bad. It just, you know, and you don't try, hey, hey, I didn't hear from you last week. What happened? No, it's just, it just, you know, people just, life happens. People just living their life.

• 1:29:45Trevor Noah?

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• 1:31:13Trevor Noah?

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• 1:32:05Trevor Noah?

  You look like life is good right now.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  I do?

• 1:32:07Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, man.

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  Child, child, should wear the tanks out of that stomach?

• 1:32:12Trevor Noah?

  No, but I'm serious. You look, you look, you look good right now. You been on the road? What you been doing?

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  Oh, by the way, when we was talking about, um, about what?

• 1:32:19Trevor Noah?

  The Lion King?

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  The, the, the, the voice.

• 1:32:23Trevor Noah?

  What voice?

• 1:32:24Speaker 01

  Well, all that, ah.

• 1:32:26Trevor Noah?

  Wait, when we were standing there?

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  Rachel. No, no.

• 1:32:29Trevor Noah?

  Rachel Donner.

• 1:32:29Speaker 01

  When we was talking, oh, what's the Rachel that's, oh, no, we was talking about the newscats.

• 1:32:33Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hot butterflies.

• 1:32:36Speaker 01

  Yo, you know, you know who's the king of that?

• 1:32:39Trevor Noah?

  Who?

• 1:32:40Speaker 01

  Michael Jackson.

• 1:32:42Trevor Noah?

  What do you mean?

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  Michael Jackson's real vo- hey, guys.

• 1:32:45Speaker 03

  The Deep One.

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's not his real voice.

• 1:32:48Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  His real voice, yo, yo, what's going on? Yo, what's up, player? What's up, player?

• 1:32:52Trevor Noah?

  Yeah. Did you ever hear his voice, uh?

• 1:32:54Speaker 01

  So you know where you can hear his real voice?

• 1:32:55Trevor Noah?

  In the video game.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  Rock, uh, um, um, the one with, with, uh?

• 1:33:00Trevor Noah?

  You can hear in the?

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  Rock my, you rock my world.

• 1:33:03Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:03Speaker 01

  That, in the beginning, when he doing a sketch with Chris Tucker?

• 1:33:05Trevor Noah?

  You know, if you didn't say the lyrics there, I wouldn't have known what song you were talking about.

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:33:10Trevor Noah?

  Will is the, if you were, if you were on a game show with Will, and Will was gonna sing a song, and then you would have to guess what the song was, you would leave that game show with less money than you came with in life.

• 1:33:26Trevor Noah?

  I have never seen somebody who has a more.

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  Okay, you know this song? I'm gonna say, I bet you'll know it.

• 1:33:34Trevor Noah?

  Okay, let's go.

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  You, me, needed me. You just know the N-word on Hit List. Horse and carriage.

• 1:33:43Speaker 01

  You, me, needed me.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  You just know the N-word on the Hit List.

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  Horse and carriage.

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  All right, let me, let me sing it.

• 1:33:55Trevor Noah?

  Okay, shop, eh?

• 1:33:56Speaker 01

  You, me, needed me. You just know the N-word on the Hit List. Horse and carriage.

• 1:34:03Trevor Noah?

  Bruno Mars?

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  Is that how you say it in, in Julu?

• 1:34:11Trevor Noah?

  Wait, I don't.

• 1:34:13Speaker 01

  You.

• 1:34:13Trevor Noah?

  I lost more money.

• 1:34:14Speaker 01

  You, me, needed me. You just know the N-word on the Hit List. Horse and carriage.

• 1:34:23Trevor Noah?

  You, me, needed me? Tell me when you give up, and then I'll play you the real song. Know the N-word on the Hit List.

• 1:34:29Speaker 01

  Horse and carriage.

• 1:34:30Trevor Noah?

  Horse and carriage.

• 1:34:33Trevor Noah?

  I gave up.

• 1:34:38Speaker 01

  You.

• 1:34:39Trevor Noah?

  Nah, that's not the same song. Let me tell you something, let me tell you something. You.

• 1:34:45Trevor Noah?

  Me.

• 1:34:47Trevor Noah?

  You sing that song, you sing that song so far from what it is, that if you released an album.

• 1:34:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:34:53Trevor Noah?

  Rihanna wouldn't sue you.

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  She wouldn't sue you, yeah.

• 1:34:55Trevor Noah?

  The record label would be like, we have no, we have no claims on this man whatsoever.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  You know what she said, right?

• 1:35:01Trevor Noah?

  That was not the same song.

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  She say, you, me, in this relationship, needed me. Meaning, meaning I'm the one that's keeping this relationship alive. You, me, needed me. You just know the N-word on the Hit List. Horse and carriage.

• 1:35:17Trevor Noah?

  Oh, man.

• 1:35:18Speaker 01

  That's what she's saying.

• 1:35:19Trevor Noah?

  Oh, man, Will. Oh, man, you my hero, Will.

• 1:35:23Speaker 01

  Is it because I don't have the same pitch?

• 1:35:25Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, that's part of it. That's part of it.

• 1:35:29Speaker 01

  Yes, you get it, right? You, me.

• 1:35:32Speaker 03

  No, no, I do get it. I do get it now.

• 1:35:35Trevor Noah?

  Just an N-word on the Hit List.

• 1:35:37Speaker 03

  No, but.

• 1:35:37Trevor Noah?

  Horse and carriage.

• 1:35:39Speaker 03

  When you, I think, Trev put it aptly in that you, you couldn't be sued. Rihanna couldn't sue you.

• 1:35:48Trevor Noah?

  And she has no claim against you.

• 1:35:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:50Trevor Noah?

  Whatsoever.

• 1:35:50Speaker 03

  For real.

• 1:35:51Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, you're safe.

• 1:35:52Speaker 03

  But, but it's also quite, um,

• 1:35:56Speaker 03

  because you, did you do that intentionally?

• 1:35:59Speaker 01

  Do what?

• 1:36:01Trevor Noah?

  I don't think it's possible.

• 1:36:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:05Trevor Noah?

  Basically, he's asking if you jumbled the words up and the tone and the, when you're trying to confuse her.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  Obviously, I, I'm not a good, that good of a singer, right? I'm not that good of a singer.

• 1:36:15Trevor Noah?

  What a time to make this confession. After all of that, you.

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  But, but you get, but you could, you could catch the word, you, me, needed me. You just know the N-word on the Hit List. Horse and carriage.

• 1:36:29Trevor Noah?

  Can I tell you, I actually like this song.

• 1:36:32Trevor Noah?

  Like, I, I want this song to exist.

• 1:36:33Speaker 01

  I like the singer.

• 1:36:35Trevor Noah?

  That's the song that I want.

• 1:36:36Speaker 01

  I can do without. So my point is, right?

• 1:36:40Speaker 01

  My point is.

• 1:36:41Trevor Noah?

  We picked our best parts. You see what it is with friendship? You only take the percentage you want.

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  My point is, when you gotta talk like this and stuff, the king of that was Michael Jackson, right? Did you see the Michael movie, by the way?

• 1:36:54Trevor Noah?

  I told you I haven't. You're gonna take all of us, remember? You gotta convince us.

• 1:36:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I, I'll take y'all. Y'all, you, you wanna know, Dave?

• 1:37:00Trevor Noah?

  I'm coming on.

• 1:37:00Speaker 01

  Bring your scarf.

• 1:37:01Trevor Noah?

  I'm coming time number seven. That's when I'd like to come.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  Time number seven?

• 1:37:04Trevor Noah?

  You said you're gonna watch it like ten times. I'll watch it seventh time, please.

• 1:37:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:08Trevor Noah?

  I wanna be the seventh time. Where did you watch it, by the way?

• 1:37:10Speaker 01

  I watched it, uh, on the east side of Manhattan.

• 1:37:14Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  And third, yeah.

• 1:37:15Trevor Noah?

  Daytime or nighttime?

• 1:37:17Speaker 01

  Nighttime.

• 1:37:17Speaker 03

  IMAX.

• 1:37:18Speaker 01

  No, I'm, I wanna see on IMAX. We should go see on IMAX.

• 1:37:21Trevor Noah?

  Is, is the, is the acting good? Cause I've seen, I've seen reviews, yeah, but I've seen reviews that go. But he looks like him, don't he?

• 1:37:27Speaker 01

  Can I say something that's not spoiler?

• 1:37:29Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, go. We know what happens in the story, so I don't think you can spoil the movie.

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  So people are upset that they don't have the, the accusations in there.

• 1:37:36Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  They, they forget, the accusations didn't come into the mid nineties.

• 1:37:42Trevor Noah?

  Hmm, oh, so the movie doesn't cover?

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  The movie starts when he was a kid and up until early, early, early nineties.

• 1:37:48Trevor Noah?

  In his prime.

• 1:37:49Speaker 01

  Right? So it's like, it's like no one was, yeah, they were saying, yeah, he's, he's a little, you know, wacko jack or whatever, because of other things he was doing.

• 1:37:57Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:57Speaker 01

  You know, he likes animals, he was doing, you know, going to places in his pajamas, he likes to hang out with kids. But then in the movie, they explain how the whole kid thing happened, and it makes sense.

• 1:38:08Trevor Noah?

  What, what did they say?

• 1:38:10Speaker 01

  Dude, he, he, he used to look out the window, watch kids play, and that, come here, Mike, get away from that widow, come here, and sing this song. So he wanted to be a kid, he wanted to be a child. And so when he, when he, he saw some kids, I think at this toy store, that wanted autographs, and he was like, he was at a toy store, and he, and he was signing autographs, he felt like a kid, that, that makes sense. You know, the mind, the mind is so funny, man.

• 1:38:30Trevor Noah?

  So if you, if you were on a jury, would that, that would suffice for you?

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  No, no, no. What suffice for me, what suffice for me, three things about that, or four things about that, about why I say he's one hundred percent innocent. Um, one,

• 1:38:48Speaker 01

  nobody, no other kids from around the world. He, Michael, Michael, tell me, Mi- Michael, tell me, Michael, tell me. No other kids, but these two ass, greedy ass kids. Nobody else from around the world, no other kids. If you, if you likes what you like, you gonna seek it everywhere you go. That makes sense?

• 1:39:08Trevor Noah?

  You.

• 1:39:10Speaker 01

  Me.

• 1:39:11Trevor Noah?

  Needed me. Okay, wait, I'm, I'm liking this, I'm still, don't, don't get, don't get, yeah, don't go.

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  Nobody else.

• 1:39:16Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:39:16Speaker 01

  Nobody else. Number two, um, um, when you look at the kids, right? The one kid, the mother took her son to Walmart and told the kid, go steal something, I'm gonna keep the security guard occupied. The kid got caught by another security guard, the mother said, oh, he was sexually harassing me. Walmart had to drop all the charges. You know, when you, when sexual harassment come in, you gotta drop. The other kid, the dad asked Michael for twenty million dollars. He, I wrote a movie, Mike, give me twenty million dollars so I can make it. Mike said no. A week, two weeks later, Mike touched my kid. What are the chances of that happening? Then, then, then the head goes the most credible evidence.

• 1:39:58Speaker 01

  Two things. One, the legal secretary, who was taking notes for the kid, the son, for the kid, the dad, and the lawyer, right? She said, and she quit, she said they was writing ways on how to get Michael. One of the, so, so your mother, the kid said, he has a birthmark on his penis.

• 1:40:17Trevor Noah?

  I don't remember this, but keep, keep going.

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  He has a birthmark in his, in his private area, right?

• 1:40:22Trevor Noah?

  Oh, no, it's a private area. Yeah, well, now we got the censored version.

• 1:40:25Speaker 01

  So, you know what happened?

• 1:40:26Trevor Noah?

  Tell me.

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  So Michael used to tell the kids, my bedroom is forbid, do not come upstairs in my bedroom.

• 1:40:32Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  But, you know, kids don't listen. Kids ran up there.

• 1:40:35Trevor Noah?

  You're saying he knew that kids don't listen?

• 1:40:36Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no. We know kids don't listen.

• 1:40:38Trevor Noah?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:40:39Speaker 01

  One of the, one of the kids ran up there.

• 1:40:41Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:41Speaker 01

  Coincidentally, saw him coming out the shower, saw him naked.

• 1:40:44Trevor Noah?

  Huh.

• 1:40:44Speaker 01

  And Michael, what you doing? Get out of here, get out of here. Kid ran downstairs, told all the other kids. So that kid took that other kid's story and told it as his own.

• 1:40:52Trevor Noah?

  So that, so that kid.

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  So that's how that kid knew.

• 1:40:53Trevor Noah?

  So that kid that ran in, and then was, that.

• 1:40:56Speaker 01

  That kid, nothing, nothing.

• 1:40:57Trevor Noah?

  And then that quickly, and then like saw the birthmark that quickly.

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  And told all, told all the other kids.

• 1:41:01Trevor Noah?

  Damn.

• 1:41:01Speaker 01

  And then, and then, but that kid, nah, I'm gonna use that in my story. And so they wrote that down. So the legal secretary said, wait, I thought you had, I thought you, your, your thing was real. And they was, no, we, we gonna come up ways on how to get him. So she quit.

• 1:41:15Speaker 03

  You know what's weird about? I'll tell you one thing, I, one thing I'll suggest, the next time you tell the story, just say you have three ways. You know what I mean?

• 1:41:23Speaker 01

  Well, you didn't hear the last, you didn't hear the other way.

• 1:41:25Trevor Noah?

  No, the fourth one, you don't know.

• 1:41:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. The fourth one. Cause three, we are used to three. Three is good.

• 1:41:30Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:30Speaker 03

  I have three ways, you do the three ways, we're with you. And like, if you really wanna do four, I could give you one, like, I, you, uh, Macaulay Culkin hasn't said anything.

• 1:41:39Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:40Speaker 01

  And you.

• 1:41:40Trevor Noah?

  I got one better than that.

• 1:41:41Speaker 03

  Yes, but that's one you, the fourth one you did now.

• 1:41:44Trevor Noah?

  Actually, I know that one. Running into the bedroom. I didn't even know this story, by the way.

• 1:41:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:49Trevor Noah?

  And when you told me this now, I'm a little shaken. When if it was a small bedroom, I would believe this. Yes. That he came out the shower, all of a sudden he was there.

• 1:41:55Speaker 01

  The last and most credible evidence, that when the FBI seized, you know, seized his stuff and went through all this stuff, they found nothing.

• 1:42:03Trevor Noah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:42:04Speaker 01

  They found nothing. These, these PDF file, files, right? They love to put stuff in their computer, love to save pictures, they found no, no pictures.

• 1:42:13Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:13Speaker 01

  Of anything. So FBI are like, we, we got no, that's why nothing happened to him.

• 1:42:19Trevor Noah?

  Okay, so.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  If, if that was something, they would have released, they would have released these pictures, like, look at Michael, what they, they would have, trust me, they would have released these pictures.

• 1:42:28Trevor Noah?

  The whole thing of him being in bed with kids, was that true or not?

• 1:42:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, but you, you're thinking the other way.

• 1:42:35Trevor Noah?

  No, no, I'm saying, I'm saying, no, no, no. He has this huge bed, he has kids, and they're sleeping.

• 1:42:39Speaker 01

  They just sleep in the bed, but.

• 1:42:40Trevor Noah?

  Okay, whoa, whoa.

• 1:42:41Speaker 01

  I don't know if that's true, I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true.

• 1:42:43Speaker 03

  Yo, Eugene, yo, man, this guy, bro, I don't ever wanna meet you in court, this man.

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  I don't know if that's true or not, but if it's, if it's true, if it's true, nothing happened.

• 1:42:55Trevor Noah?

  No, what I'm saying, okay, I was getting to my next part.

• 1:42:57Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 1:42:58Trevor Noah?

  So let's, let's assume that he was not a pervert, but he didn't mind being in bed with kids. Would you let your kid be in bed with him?

• 1:43:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:07Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 1:43:08Speaker 01

  You asked, you.

• 1:43:08Trevor Noah?

  You. Me, needed me.

• 1:43:13Speaker 03

  The only way that you can sort of say, you know, a scuba, scuba diving gear?

• 1:43:18Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:19Speaker 03

  Is if he was wearing like that suit, do you know what I mean?

• 1:43:21Trevor Noah?

  Like a full on wet suit zip from top to bottom.

• 1:43:23Speaker 03

  Do you know what I'm saying?

• 1:43:24Speaker 01

  But you know what that sound like? Sound like someone who's, who's, who's, who's attracted that they got wet is to keep them from, you know what I'm saying? That's what that sound like.

• 1:43:32Trevor Noah?

  Ah, so what you're saying is the real way to show that you're not attracted to them is to lie in bed naked.

• 1:43:36Speaker 03

  No, no, no.

• 1:43:37Speaker 01

  He wasn't naked.

• 1:43:38Trevor Noah?

  This is what you said, Will.

• 1:43:40Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 1:43:41Trevor Noah?

  Damn, the one thing I will say is, I'm going to watch this movie.

• 1:43:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean.

• 1:43:45Trevor Noah?

  I'm tell, I'll tell you now, before I was like, ah, if I go watch the movie, I go watch the movie. You, Will Sylvince.

• 1:43:50Speaker 01

  Wait, can I do something?

• 1:43:51Speaker 03

  You know it's a box office smash.

• 1:43:52Trevor Noah?

  Say again?

• 1:43:53Speaker 03

  It's a box office smash.

• 1:43:54Trevor Noah?

  Already?

• 1:43:55Speaker 01

  Hundred million dollars, why?

• 1:43:55Speaker 03

  The public don't care. The public, it's a huge smash.

• 1:43:58Trevor Noah?

  I'm not saying the public should or shouldn't care. No, can I, can I tell you why? Can I tell you why? I'll tell you, I'll tell you why. This is, this is, this is something that I've grappled with for a very long time. I wish in society, we spent more time discussing or trying to figure out how we deal with retribution, absolution, and accusations when the systems either don't support us or do support us. Cause, cause we live in a world where some people are found innocent of a crime, but then spend the rest of their lives paying for it because they were accused.

• 1:44:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:36Trevor Noah?

  We live in a world where some people are accused of something.

• 1:44:38Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:44:39Trevor Noah?

  And even though that accusation never materializes into anything else, it could even be a fabrication as an accusation. Their lives will never be the same. They carry that thing with them.

• 1:44:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:50Trevor Noah?

  Right? They're burdened by it. Then we, we also live in a world where law enforcement has shown that it may not have an appetite to pursue certain individuals because they have so much power. And then after like decades, someone puts out a documentary and we're like, damn. This thing, and then the person's like, yeah, but I was not guilty the whole time. And you're like, oh yeah, law found you not guilty. But remember, the law is really just about finding the right person to find the right argument. That means you cannot be prosecuted.

• 1:45:20Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:45:21Trevor Noah?

  But it doesn't, or indicted, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you are innocent of, of doing, of the crime. So, so it's this weird world that we live in where some people's lives are ruined because of an accusation. Other people's lives are not impaired because of, uh, you know, them being let off for some reason, or they're found not guilty, or whatever it might be.

• 1:45:44Speaker 03

  And some people's lives are ruined because of lack of prosecution.

• 1:45:46Trevor Noah?

  Yes, and so it's like, and that, no, I, I mean this honestly, I don't think there's one fixed one, but I, I wish we spent more time talking about that in society. Because otherwise, it just becomes this like messy.

• 1:45:58Speaker 03

  You know, well, I don't, I don't think the, the Michael one is messy at this particular moment in time.

• 1:46:03Trevor Noah?

  What are you talking about, Willis?

• 1:46:04Speaker 03

  Because, uh, what I'm saying at this particular moment in time, people are so, like, think of them releasing this, this movie.

• 1:46:12Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:46:13Speaker 03

  At another time where like more, uh, the world is so crazy now that we're like, this thing that Michael did.

• 1:46:24Trevor Noah?

  No, I don't agree.

• 1:46:25Speaker 03

  I, I mean, I'm saying.

• 1:46:26Trevor Noah?

  I don't agree. I actually, no, I actually just think.

• 1:46:28Speaker 03

  I was saying it in a jokey way.

• 1:46:29Trevor Noah?

  Oh, damn.

• 1:46:30Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:46:31Trevor Noah?

  You said, you said it completely seriously to me.

• 1:46:33Speaker 01

  So I'm saying it, take the scarf off and say it again.

• 1:46:35Speaker 03

  I was, no, I, I was saying it, no, no, actually, I was saying it in a, in jest. Cause half is real, half is not real. This is the half that I, is real.

• 1:46:45Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:46Speaker 03

  Is that the world is so crazy now that my little, it's so crazy. There's a war, there's nuclear, there's all these, there's islands, there's all this that I, if it was just the Michael thing alone, we'd be like. But now it's so crazy that it's like, guys, if I like him, ah, well, I don't care.

• 1:47:07Trevor Noah?

  But you see, I actually think it's more the latter. I don't think it's that the world is so crazy. I think now we live in such, um,

• 1:47:19Trevor Noah?

  we live in such silos of everything that now everyone just goes into that camp and then like we, in a weird way, it's like we don't grapple anymore.

• 1:47:30Trevor Noah?

  Because we sort of don't have to grapple.

• 1:47:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:32Trevor Noah?

  Right? Your social media doesn't make you grapple. What it does is, it puts you with people who agree with you.

• 1:47:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:38Trevor Noah?

  And it shows you the people that you definitely disagree with. It's easy to, it's easy to move on your social media if you actually think about it.

• 1:47:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:43Trevor Noah?

  This video makes you angry. I knew they were doing that. This video makes you happy. Yeah, my team. Those are easy things.

• 1:47:50Speaker 03

  Echo chambers.

• 1:47:51Trevor Noah?

  To, yeah, but, but even one is not an, yeah, yeah, I mean, an antagonistic echo chamber, and then I guess one that's, you know, in sync with you. But the thing that we, we forget is, the heart isn't going against or for, it's the grappling. One of the hardest things in life is to grapple. Is the girl who told me this thing a kind person who did a mean thing? Or is she a mean person?

• 1:48:16Speaker 03

  Who did a kind?

• 1:48:17Trevor Noah?

  Who did a kind thing? Or is this a kind thing at all? Is it a mean thing at all? Or, you know what I mean? I, is me having sex with somebody but not intending a long-term relationship, is that a mean thing? Or is that human nature as well? Is, is, is it bad? Is it good? Should I eat some cake and no cake? Or should I eat a little bit? Or should I not? Or, do you get what I'm saying? Grappling is one of the hardest things. And I genuinely think grappling is the thing that we don't practice at all anymore.

• 1:48:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:46Trevor Noah?

  We just don't practice it at all. So the reason I'm saying the Michael thing sort of is like just going, like they can release the movie, is because there's enough people who will just go, Ebra, I'm not grappling at all. Michael's one hundred percent in it. I don't give a damn. And I'm gonna go watch this movie. And then to your point, even in the movie, they don't make you grapple. So you come in there, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba da, and then you're like, ah, I had a great time. Thank you very much.

• 1:49:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're not gonna reach those accusations.

• 1:49:10Trevor Noah?

  You didn't make me grapple.

• 1:49:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:12Trevor Noah?

  So I leave this movie. And then there's a ton of people who are like, I can't believe this movie's out there. How could they, you know, you know, how could they, uh, exalt Michael Jackson after all the shit that he's done? Well, this is, this is a travesty. They'll never go watch the movie, but they too will not grapple.

• 1:49:26Speaker 01

  But they, but they voted for Trump.

• 1:49:29Trevor Noah?

  No, not necessarily, but you find they won't, but they won't grapple. You know what I mean? But they won't, they just won't grapple, I find. And so I think, I actually think, this is just my, my assertion, but I actually think that's the reason that they can release it. Is because the grappling is actually a thing that makes it hard to put something like that out.

• 1:49:47Speaker 03

  Oh, yes, for sure.

• 1:49:48Trevor Noah?

  Is when, is when people go, I don't know how to feel.

• 1:49:52Trevor Noah?

  If people hate something or if people love something.

• 1:49:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:54Trevor Noah?

  It's actually quite easy to make it a success.

• 1:49:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. Okay, what about this?

• 1:49:59Trevor Noah?

  You know what I mean? Like, like in wrestling is a good example. In wrestling, you have the wrestlers that people hate.

• 1:50:06Speaker 03

  The heel.

• 1:50:06Trevor Noah?

  The heel, and then you have the wrestlers that people love.

• 1:50:09Speaker 03

  No one cares about those arms.

• 1:50:12Trevor Noah?

  But.

• 1:50:12Speaker 03

  Care about the heel.

• 1:50:13Trevor Noah?

  No, but what I'm saying is, people love, you love The Rock when he's the hero. You hate The Rock when he's the heel. You love John Cena when he's the hero. You hate John Cena when he's the heel. No, but listen what I'm saying. What I'm saying is,

• 1:50:26Trevor Noah?

  what they won't tolerate in wrestling is like.

• 1:50:29Speaker 03

  Indifference.

• 1:50:30Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, the, no, the guys where you're like, I don't know how I feel about him. I'm like, I, I don't.

• 1:50:35Speaker 01

  It has to be extreme.

• 1:50:36Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, because that's an easier thing. Boo, yeah. But, ah, that one confuses us.

• 1:50:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50:45Trevor Noah?

  We don't know what to do. We don't know how to deal with it. And the most important thing I'm saying is, we don't practice it. So we cut off friends who, you know, yeah, I, I found out that they actually like leather goods. They're out of my life. Why? No, because I, I can't be with somebody who wears a dead animal on them. Okay, so they're out of your life. What about you? Yeah, no, this person, uh, you know, they, they, they don't pray anymore before they eat their food. They're out of my life. Then it's like, okay, but do you grapple?

• 1:51:13Speaker 03

  Okay, I get your grappling. Let me just say, okay, let me restate what I said. If we rewind six years ago or so.

• 1:51:20Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:21Speaker 03

  The climate that was.

• 1:51:22Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:51:22Speaker 03

  Remember? There was a different climate.

• 1:51:25Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:51:27Speaker 03

  Let's say when, I don't want to phrase them that way, but when wokeness was heavy.

• 1:51:32Trevor Noah?

  Okay, yes.

• 1:51:34Speaker 03

  A movie like this is the antithesis of the climate in which we live.

• 1:51:38Trevor Noah?

  That's exactly what I'm agreeing with.

• 1:51:39Speaker 03

  What happened was, the people said, that's over. If they, people have just decided it's over. Now, a person who you truly love, Michael Jackson, cause a lot of people love him because he was part of their life, you know, that kind of thing? In terms of growing up, there's a movie about him. Previously, in that time, your grappling thing, you might have been, man, I love him so much. But now it's, but now when people have said, yeah, guys, you do you. People are like, let's make it a box office smash.

• 1:52:06Trevor Noah?

  That's exactly what I mean.

• 1:52:06Speaker 03

  They're like, this is not the time to tell me to not.

• 1:52:09Trevor Noah?

  That's exactly what I'm saying.

• 1:52:11Speaker 03

  Yes, cause we just, but release this five years before it's gonna flop because people will be like.

• 1:52:15Trevor Noah?

  Yes, but that's, but that's exactly what I'm saying. And that's what I'm, I'm saying that, that is one of the worst things that can happen for people. Because it means a Trump voter cannot grapple with the fact that his family is using the administration to enrich him. You're like, cause in South Africa, we're comfortable with that. We'd be like, oh, that's corruption. We know it very clearly. We see what you're doing. In Africa, we're like, yeah, we know this. Oh, yeah. And then your kids make billions and, oh, yeah, you've got contracts coming up. Ah, yeah, yeah, this is corruption. And you would even be able to say, it is corruption, but I still like some of your policies. You, you get what I'm saying?

• 1:52:50Speaker 03

  I just don't like you stealing.

• 1:52:51Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but I just don't like you stealing. Or I even just acknowledge that you're stealing.

• 1:52:55Speaker 01

  But you still steal some for us.

• 1:52:57Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but I'm saying, but, but what I, to your point, this is what I'm saying, Dave, is the grappling is the thing that we're losing. And if you can't grapple, it just pushes people and then almost nobody deals with a reality that's inconvenient for them.

• 1:53:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I feel like in the Michael Jackson story, he could have been two things at the same time. He could have been this great performer that everyone loved, but he could have had that dark side that only those kids experienced than everyone else, because obviously, the number of people that love him were far more and greater than the number of people that accused him.

• 1:53:31Trevor Noah?

  And we also don't know to what degree. That's the thing. That's what I mean by grappling. So, Michael Jackson could have been, again, I'm not saying this is or isn't, but he could have been a person where he liked that a kid would occasionally walk in on him naked, because we also know people do this. Do you know what I mean? To your point of like years ago, when Me Too was happening, how many of the stories were, oh, the guy would be in a bathrobe? When the housekeeping in the hotel would walk in, and you're like, oh, so this is a fetish some people have is being busted, you know? So that could have been a thing. I'm not saying that it is, and I'm not saying that it isn't, but I, I personally am saying for myself, I, I, I think it's more important to be like grappling with that. Like, I love those movies. You know when it's like a biopic where you go,

• 1:54:13Trevor Noah?

  do you, how do you feel after the movie? And you're like, I don't know, man. I, I mean, I still think they're one of the greatest artists and I loved, but oh, there's one part of the story that, you know, oh, it just made me feel like a, like a certain, cause, because you know why? Because to be. Humanist to grapple, Will.

• 1:54:28Speaker 02

  And I think it would have been more.

• 1:54:30Trevor Noah?

  You get what I'm saying?

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  It would have been more powerful to show the audiences and people that love them, the scenario that it he was in and let them decide.

• 1:54:38Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:54:38Speaker 01

  No, no, but but another thing about that, that part of his life did not happen yet.

• 1:54:43Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm saying that they could have.

• 1:54:45Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, they could have if they wanted to. You're making it seem like the movie ended because they had to there. They could have. They chose whatever they wanted to put on.

• 1:54:50Speaker 01

  There's a part two.

• 1:54:52Speaker 02

  No, no, wait, we're saying here now. We're not at part two yet. So I'm saying.

• 1:54:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm telling you, there's a part two.

• 1:54:56Trevor Noah?

  No, hundred percent. Coming out.

• 1:54:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:54:58Trevor Noah?

  You hundred percent sure about this?

• 1:54:59Speaker 01

  No, because, hold on. The director said if part one does not do well, he's not gonna release part two. He said there's so much about Michael, he can't put all in one movie.

• 1:55:07Trevor Noah?

  Okay, then we're gonna, then we're gonna.

• 1:55:08Speaker 01

  It's almost like saying, it's almost like saying, yo Eugene, yo man, you you you failed that that that math test in college. And he's like, what, we, I'm still talking about me in high school.

• 1:55:18Trevor Noah?

  Okay, okay. No, then we then we table it.

• 1:55:20Speaker 01

  So it was like, what, what, we didn't get there yet.

• 1:55:22Trevor Noah?

  But Will, if this sequel doesn't come out. You, who, me.

• 1:55:29Speaker 01

  Can I do something, can I do something with y'all real quick?

• 1:55:31Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, do it. What you got?

• 1:55:32Speaker 01

  So, you know how like people always compare Michael, hey, who's better, Michael the Prince or Michael the Elvis?

• 1:55:37Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:37Speaker 01

  The only person I feel that you could compare yourself with is yourself, right? Because it's not fair to you or not fair to other person. Everybody had their own path and got got to where they are. You know, hey, him asking me, how do you get, you know, that that that urge to lose? I I can't tell.

• 1:55:53Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:55:54Speaker 01

  So I came up with a list of songs of Michael's, like, which is better?

• 1:56:01Speaker 02

  You guys on first name basis now?

• 1:56:02Speaker 01

  She, that's the name of the movie, Michael.

• 1:56:05Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:56:06Speaker 01

  She's Out of My Life or Lady of My Life? You know both songs?

• 1:56:09Trevor Noah?

  Oh, you want us to choose?

• 1:56:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  Lady of My Life.

• 1:56:13Trevor Noah?

  She's Out of My Life.

• 1:56:14Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:56:17Trevor Noah?

  I mean, I like girls.

• 1:56:19Speaker 03

  She's Out of My Life.

• 1:56:20Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:56:21Speaker 03

  Because he cried when he was recording it.

• 1:56:24Speaker 01

  I I like that one too. So she's she's out of my life.

• 1:56:29Speaker 01

  Quincy Jones had it, right? And Michael said, what's that? And Quincy Jones said, oh, no, that's.

• 1:56:32Trevor Noah?

  Phone is ringing.

• 1:56:33Speaker 01

  That's me. Michael Michael goes, Michael goes, Quincy Jones said, oh, no, that's, I'm I'm, I think I'm gonna get that to Lana Richie. And Michael go, can I, can I? And he sang it in the office and he was crying. And Quincy was like, I gotta get this song to Michael. Michael, like, he was performing it and crying.

• 1:56:51Speaker 02

  I don't know the song, but anyway.

• 1:56:52Speaker 01

  Um, okay, uh, Bad or Beat It?

• 1:56:59Trevor Noah?

  Beat It.

• 1:57:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, Beat It.

• 1:57:01Speaker 01

  Beat It?

• 1:57:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:02Speaker 03

  Beat It.

• 1:57:03Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:57:04Speaker 02

  Because that's what you did after you decided you don't want.

• 1:57:08Speaker 01

  I knew you were gonna say that. I knew you were gonna say that. Oh, man.

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. So you said Bad, you said Beat It?

• 1:57:17Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, we all said Beat It.

• 1:57:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, Beat It was pretty. Uh, Smooth Criminal? You like Smooth Criminal?

• 1:57:23Trevor Noah?

  No, ask the next song, ask the second song.

• 1:57:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, or Billie Jean?

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  Smooth Criminal.

• 1:57:33Trevor Noah?

  Smooth Criminal.

• 1:57:35Speaker 01

  Over Billie Jean?

• 1:57:37Trevor Noah?

  Dave?

• 1:57:37Speaker 03

  Billie Jean. But but I will say this brilliant uh matchup.

• 1:57:43Trevor Noah?

  That's a great matchup.

• 1:57:44Speaker 03

  Brilliant matchup.

• 1:57:44Trevor Noah?

  That's fire.

• 1:57:45Speaker 03

  Like, I can't, I can't say no to your, I can't just say.

• 1:57:49Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, no, that's fantastic.

• 1:57:49Speaker 03

  I can't just dismiss Smooth Criminal.

• 1:57:51Trevor Noah?

  You did well there.

• 1:57:51Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, okay. Um, black or, this is gonna be easy. This is a bad matchup. Black or white or man in the mirror?

• 1:58:00Trevor Noah?

  Uh, man in the mirror. That's a, that's a terrible one. Delete that and start again.

• 1:58:03Speaker 01

  Dangerous or Dirty Diana?

• 1:58:05Speaker 03

  Dirty Diana.

• 1:58:05Trevor Noah?

  Dirty Diana.

• 1:58:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, um, uh, this is also bad. Let me skip that one.

• 1:58:11Trevor Noah?

  What was it? Let's judge.

• 1:58:13Speaker 01

  Okay, Remember the Time or Liberian Girl?

• 1:58:15Speaker 02

  Liberian Girl.

• 1:58:16Speaker 03

  That's not the worst.

• 1:58:17Speaker 01

  Liberian Girl?

• 1:58:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, Liberian Girl. That's not the worst matchup, by the way.

• 1:58:20Trevor Noah?

  It's not a bad matchup at all. I actually don't think that's a bad matchup.

• 1:58:22Speaker 01

  You guys picked Liberian Girl over Remember the Time?

• 1:58:23Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:27Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, no, no, no.

• 1:58:28Speaker 01

  Okay, um, um, Earth Song or Heal the World?

• 1:58:32Trevor Noah?

  Heal the World.

• 1:58:33Speaker 03

  Heal the World. Now you're, that was, Heal the World is better than Earth Song. They're not good match. I mean, thematically, but strength wise, no.

• 1:58:40Speaker 01

  The Way You Make Me Feel or PYT?

• 1:58:43Trevor Noah?

  PYT.

• 1:58:46Speaker 01

  The Way.

• 1:58:46Speaker 02

  Any day.

• 1:58:47Speaker 03

  PYT is a brilliant song and PYT is better, but The Way You Make Me Feel did not deserve to be not a winner. If if like, uh, but but PYT, yes.

• 1:59:01Speaker 01

  One more.

• 1:59:04Trevor Noah?

  Damn, that's, yeah, that's hard. That's, this is a good matchup.

• 1:59:06Speaker 01

  All right, we're gonna come back.

• 1:59:07Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go with, um, I'll go with The Way You Make Me Feel.

• 1:59:13Speaker 01

  Okay. Don't Stop Till You Get Enough?

• 1:59:15Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:16Speaker 01

  Or Wanna Be Starting Something?

• 1:59:18Speaker 03

  Brilliant matchup.

• 1:59:18Speaker 02

  I wanna be starting something.

• 1:59:19Speaker 03

  I I I would, don't stop.

• 1:59:21Trevor Noah?

  Don't stop till you get enough for me.

• 1:59:26Speaker 03

  Should I tell you a funny thing about that, Will?

• 1:59:28Trevor Noah?

  You're gonna get a suit, just so you know. Will must sing all the songs.

• 1:59:31Speaker 03

  Wanna Be Starting Something is is continuing the thing that Don't Stop Till We Get Enough, the hard work, Don't Stop Till We Get Enough.

• 1:59:41Speaker 01

  Don't Stop Till You Get Enough starts?

• 1:59:42Speaker 03

  The hard work of Don't, Don't.

• 1:59:44Speaker 01

  Hey, he's mumbling.

• 1:59:48Speaker 03

  Don't Stop Till You Get Enough is better.

• 1:59:50Speaker 01

  Don't Stop Till, okay, um, um, Human Nature or Rock With You?

• 1:59:55Speaker 03

  Uh, Human Nature.

• 1:59:57Trevor Noah?

  Oh, Human Nature.

• 1:59:59Speaker 03

  I I rock with you. I I have a.

• 2:00:02Speaker 01

  Okay, now we're gonna switch it to Young Michael.

• 2:00:04Trevor Noah?

  Whoa, there's more albums. No, Will, this, let's end this podcast. This just turned into like a musical.

• 2:00:09Speaker 02

  How many more did you have?

• 2:00:10Trevor Noah?

  This guy had three albums.

• 2:00:11Speaker 02

  No, four more, four more, four more songs.

• 2:00:12Trevor Noah?

  You had four more.

• 2:00:13Speaker 02

  Four more songs or four more albums?

• 2:00:14Trevor Noah?

  All right, do four more songs. All right, four more songs. Let's go.

• 2:00:16Speaker 01

  Got to Be There or Never Could Say Goodbye? Got to be there, be there.

• 2:00:22Speaker 03

  I'm familiar, I know.

• 2:00:23Trevor Noah?

  I mean, Never Could Say Goodbye, only because I'm more familiar with it.

• 2:00:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know, I don't know either one.

• 2:00:27Speaker 01

  Um, uh, A B C or I Want You Back?

• 2:00:32Speaker 03

  They're hard, hard. I Want You Back. But but again, uh, good matchup. But wow, okay.

• 2:00:40Speaker 01

  Um, Who's Loving You Now? Who's Loving You or Never Could Say Goodbye?

• 2:00:45Speaker 02

  Who's Loving?

• 2:00:46Speaker 03

  Who's Loving You? I absolutely love Who's Loving You.

• 2:00:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can smell Smokey Robinson on that song.

• 2:00:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:51Speaker 01

  Okay, last one. Rockin' Robin or Ben? Because they're about, um.

• 2:00:59Speaker 02

  Ben. I don't know either one.

• 2:01:02Speaker 03

  I'll choose, um.

• 2:01:06Speaker 03

  Both are are odd songs to me, I will say, even though people, you know, I mean, Ben is a win. They say he's singing to a mouse or whatever it is. You know what I mean? It's an odd thing, so.

• 2:01:17Speaker 01

  It's not, it's a rat, first of all.

• 2:01:19Speaker 03

  A rat, whatever it is, yeah, it's like worse. Uh, okay, Ben, yeah.

• 2:01:23Speaker 02

  All rats gotta die.

• 2:01:24Speaker 03

  Those are odd songs.

• 2:01:25Speaker 02

  Must explain.

• 2:01:26Trevor Noah?

  This was dope, man.

• 2:01:26Speaker 01

  All right, thanks, man. Thanks for having me back. Who cancel, who cancel?

• 2:01:29Trevor Noah?

  This guy, nobody canceled, man. Yo, leave that low self-esteem outside. We put a mirror behind you so you can see who you really is, man. Look, look at the back there. Look behind you. You see who you are? You're our friend. Nobody canceled. This is dope, Will. Thank you, man.

• 2:01:46Speaker 01

  Thank you. Thanks for having me.

• 2:01:46Trevor Noah?

  This was really great. And I guess go watch the movie.

• 2:01:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, go watch the movie.

• 2:01:50Trevor Noah?

  This was a great promo. I'm in.

• 2:01:53Trevor Noah?

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