WTF is a Googlebook?

We are officially in Techtember! First, it's a quick viewflation update from Andrew before Marques and David talk about their experiences using the iPhone 18 Pro. Then it turns to speculation about the upcoming Googlebook event before talking about the Steam Frame and Tesla Roadster event. It's going to be a jam-packed few weeks and the new iPhones are just the beginning. Links: 9to5Google - Google Maps speedometer during navigation MKBHD - iPhone 18 Review Stephen Robles - John Ternus iPhone picture Dave2D - Steam Frame review Linus Tech Tips - Steam Frame review Verge - Meta Slim Headset Leak This episode brought to you by: Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/waveform Pipedrive: https://www.pipedrive.com/waveform Framer: https://www.framer.com/wave Follow us on socials: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:08Speaker 02

  Let's just start with the thing that you got wrong.

• 1:09David Imel?

  Me?

• 1:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11David Imel?

  Yes, exactly. Start there.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  I have a hard time thinking of that. Yeah, I just, I noticed on Twitter, you said that the burgundy was a good color. I just want to be very clear.

• 1:19David Imel?

  It's so good!

• 1:19Speaker 02

  I just want to be super crystal clear. You got that one wrong.

• 1:23David Imel?

  What are you talking about?

• 1:24Speaker 02

  You did get that one wrong.

• 1:25David Imel?

  Okay, just because they made a matte black phone doesn't mean the other colors are bad.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  Yes, it does.

• 1:31David Imel?

  One thing being good does not make everything else bad.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

• 1:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 1:44David Imel?

  I'm David.

• 1:45Speaker 02

  And we've got Ellis and Adam over at the podcast desk.

• 1:48Speaker 05

  The Waveform, bro.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  We're finally back. And by back, I just mean back in our normal place that we record.

• 1:55David Imel?

  Nice.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Audio listeners have no idea what's different. Maybe they do. But we're, we're back.

• 1:59David Imel?

  People are very upset last week that we were not in our normal configuration.

• 2:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, a long story behind that.

• 2:04David Imel?

  We did talk about that.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  We did.

• 2:06David Imel?

  We debated where to sit.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was a whole, I mean, it's too long of a story. I'm not gonna try.

• 2:12David Imel?

  I don't even know what he's talking about.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  They were like, oh, where do you want to sit? And I was like, honestly, it doesn't matter. I'd probably sit on the right. And they were like, oh, we figured we put you on the left so you have an eye line to the producer table. I was like, okay.

• 2:23David Imel?

  Actually, that's so funny because you have the worst eye line to the producer table here.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  I typically, I typically have to do one of these to see you guys.

• 2:29David Imel?

  It was very weird. Randomly, you would just like, look up and be staring into my eyes. And I was like, okay.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I usually find out. I was trying to get a hint on the trivia answers just by like, looking at you guys the whole podcast. That was what I was trying to do.

• 2:40David Imel?

  It is really nice to be able to make eyes at Adam and Ellis all podcast.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's great. I enjoyed it. But we're back. So in today's episode, we've got our final thoughts on iPhone 18 Pro. Since the reviews are out, there's David's burgundy one. We'll talk about that color.

• 2:54David Imel?

  Ew.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  Google Books pre-orders, and some thoughts about the Steam frame and some more VR stuff and more tech timber as usual. But first, do we have a, did they even test this?

• 3:05David Imel?

  Adam has one.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  Oh, do I?

• 3:07David Imel?

  I heard Adam had one.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I have been in a anime mood for the past like, eight months.

• 3:13David Imel?

  Name all the animes.

• 3:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I got you.

• 3:15David Imel?

  Oh, you like anime?

• 3:17Speaker 02

  Name every anime.

• 3:17David Imel?

  Done.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  That's all.

• 3:20David Imel?

  That's all of them.

• 3:21Speaker 02

  I've been in a binge watching this one anime called Frieren. Great, great anime.

• 3:27David Imel?

  Frieren?

• 3:27Speaker 02

  Frieren.

• 3:28David Imel?

  Tom Snorwud.

• 3:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Marquez watches that one.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, Marquez knows all about it. But I signed up to Crunchyroll via YouTube TV to watch this, right? So in my YouTube app, there's a little like, oh, not YouTube TV, YouTube, I don't know, one of them. In my YouTube app, there's a little Crunchyroll icon. I click there, it shows like, everything, basically. As of a couple of days ago, I started a re-watch with my fiancee Jess, and she's super into it now. So we just finished both seasons that are out. We're like, let's run it back. We go through the whole first season again. We're up to the second season, and it's just not there. And I'm like, I'm paying for this service. Why is this not here? And we're like, okay, maybe it's a weird glitch, whatever. Like, second season is, like, it jumps from the last episode of the first season to like, episode six of the second

• 4:13Speaker 02

  season. And I was like, okay, we'll check again tomorrow. Let's watch something else. I'm like, whatever, weird bug. Two or three days later, I go back and I'm like, oh, the second season is here. But it's not there. It's only the first and second episode. It skips three. It shows the fourth and the fifth and the sixth, and then it skips the rest of them. And I'm like, what is happening? Like, who is deciding which episodes get added?

• 4:33David Imel?

  So there's Crunchyroll inside of YouTube?

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Crunchyroll inside YouTube. And I know that there's like, all these like, deals that show what shows are allowed on certain streaming platforms and all that. So I was like, maybe they just don't have the rights to the second season. But then for random episodes to be popping up is like, strange to me. And then I go to try to buy the second season because I'm like, okay, whatever, I'm a huge fan of the show. I'll just buy it so I can watch it. I can't find anywhere to buy this thing. It is like, impossible to buy.

• 4:58David Imel?

  Can, does the Crunchyroll app have it?

• 5:01Speaker 02

  I have not checked the Crunchyroll app. I have only checked Crunchyroll inside of YouTube.

• 5:06David Imel?

  I would check the app and see then if there's a discrepancy of like, YouTube polling data. That's, that'd be my first guess.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:13David Imel?

  Unless you just like, happen to hit the weirdest time where they like, lost rights to certain episodes and...

• 5:18Speaker 06

  My, my instinct, and I, this is completely just based on solely the information you gave me, is that it has something to do with music rights, because those are some of the only rights that would be in that show that aren't owned by whoever owns like, the rest of the rights to the show. And music also has like, weird international distribution rights. Or...

• 5:38Speaker 02

  It's the same music guy, though. Evan Call. He's like, the composer. So that happened for all of season one and season two.

• 5:45Speaker 06

  But he might not own all of the rights to the music. If he licensed some music or he, he hired some composers. There's a bunch of things. But I was gonna say, or it could be like, a Pokemon situation where those three episodes gave a bunch of people seizures and they're just like...

• 5:57Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:58Speaker 06

  I don't know if those three episodes were crazy, but uh...

• 6:01Speaker 02

  They were pretty crazy. It's probably some insane licensing thing. It's always a weird licensing thing.

• 6:06David Imel?

  Yeah, I'm gonna check Crunchyroll right now and I will report back.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  For example, on Spotify, the Shrek soundtrack, like, half the songs are just not on there.

• 6:16David Imel?

  Which is...

• 6:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Are they really?

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is funny because isn't it all just Smash Mouth?

• 6:20Speaker 02

  No. No! Maybe it's the Shrek 2 soundtrack.

• 6:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I had something like this on Spotify where I was listening to this awful version of the audiobook Animal Farm. And it like, the audio sounded like I was listening to like, a 1950s radio, which fit the vibes so well. And I get halfway through it. It's not a very long audiobook. And then it just disappears from Spotify. I was like, was I the one person who listened to that? And they went, wait, we don't have the rights to that anymore. And just got rid of it.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  Can confirm Crunchyroll has all the episodes. So it is...

• 6:52David Imel?

  It's a weird YouTube.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Okay. Yeah, because in the Shrek 2 soundtrack, Holding Out For A Hero, Livin' La Vida Loca, Fairy Godmother Song, and You're So True are all not on Spotify.

• 7:07David Imel?

  Oh, it's, the Fairy Godmother Song is kind of amazing.

• 7:10Andrew Manganelli?

  And the Livin' La Vida Loca is the Eddie Murphy version.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  Right. So it's probably some weird licensing thing with the donkey.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  I bet the donkey probably took it off.

• 7:20Speaker 06

  When we did our secret history of the internet episode, we had to cut a segment because we included an infomercial in the middle of it, an infomercial for a company that doesn't exist anymore.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  It was so old.

• 7:31Speaker 06

  It was an early MCI, pre-email, like, electronic messaging service.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:36Speaker 06

  And obviously, the company's out of business. We were like, we can use this. The music in the background of that video was not owned by the company. It was owned by the original rights holder and they flagged us.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  Just so crazy that they flagged us for that.

• 7:49Speaker 06

  Infuriating.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, so licensing, my friends, licensing.

• 7:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, but that's, the fact that it's random episodes, that is really weird. And it sounds like a YouTube ingestion problem.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  I have episodes one, two, four, five, and seven out of 10. One, two, four, five, and seven. I was gonna say prime numbers, but four is not prime.

• 8:07David Imel?

  They're just filler.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  Two, no, three?

• 8:09David Imel?

  They're probably filler episodes.

• 8:10Speaker 02

  This thing feels like a riddle to solve. This might be a riddle.

• 8:14David Imel?

  Might be.

• 8:14Speaker 02

  I'm just gonna go back to watching One Piece. Episode 750.

• 8:18Andrew Manganelli?

  One other update on, did they even test this, is 9 to 5 Google just posted an article that they are rolling out speed limits and speedometer readings on Google Maps in Android Auto when you're not navigating somewhere.

• 8:33Speaker 02

  So somebody at Google listened to the pod?

• 8:35David Imel?

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:36Speaker 02

  There's no other explanation?

• 8:37David Imel?

  That's exactly what we talked about.

• 8:39Andrew Manganelli?

  We are taking full credit. No further questions.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  So like, you're welcome on behalf of Google. Like, that's, that was us.

• 8:45David Imel?

  Another thing, a couple of weeks ago, we talked about how Google Messages, when it imports here, like, the way it does pinned messages in Google Messages is terrible. I saw an article later that day that said that they are adopting bubbles. The same, the same thing.

• 9:03Speaker 02

  Which I'm not even sure our episode was out yet by the time that article went out, but I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna say that.

• 9:08David Imel?

  The hero did put it into the ether.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  We put it into the ether.

• 9:11David Imel?

  That update came to the Pixel phones via the Pixel update for September.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  Oh, which just rolled out.

• 9:17David Imel?

  Just not in Messages. It's the Contacts app.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  I'm gonna kill myself. Are you serious? Well, hopefully soon they also...

• 9:23David Imel?

  How often do you open the Contacts app?

• 9:26Speaker 02

  Never.

• 9:26David Imel?

  Once every six months, probably.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  Oh my god, guys. Okay.

• 9:29David Imel?

  All right.

• 9:29Speaker 02

  Well, we have some updates on viewflation, specifically because we have a bunch of Apple videos that we just put out.

• 9:37Andrew Manganelli?

  This is our best sample size.

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Probably the best sample size. We just went to Apple Park. We put out a ton of videos. We did main channel impressions on both the Fold and the Pro, although it was mostly about the Fold. We got the Duo revisited, which is like, a second Duo video we put out. We have the main podcast episode. We have the Man on the Street episode that we put out. And we have a studio video. A few of those are a little bit newer, but we, we have a lot of data on...

• 10:03David Imel?

  Several channels.

• 10:04Speaker 02

  True views versus inflated views. Our inflated views for the podcast did surpass a million. So even though it's inflated, I'm just gonna say...

• 10:12David Imel?

  I want to be like, happy. Because obviously, the podcast did well, but the million milestone, like, doesn't hit the same.

• 10:20Speaker 02

  Not even close.

• 10:22David Imel?

  And I don't know how happy I should get.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay, so we're gonna, we're gonna...

• 10:26David Imel?

  Don't take this away from me, Marquez.

• 10:27Speaker 02

  I know. I'm like, pumped. Like, a million view podcast. Like, it's great.

• 10:30David Imel?

  But it's not.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  We're gonna show you guys the difference between the actual engaged views versus the inflated views, because some people are asking about that. So Andrew, do you want to take that?

• 10:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you want to start with that one right there?

• 10:40Speaker 02

  Let's start it with the podcast, yeah.

• 10:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Did Apple actually Duo it? Great title. By the way, good job, Adam. 1,70,000, no.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  1,71,000.

• 10:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Views live, 641,000 views engaged. Still a great podcast. Still a like, top 20 podcasts we've ever done, probably. But still, not quite double, but pretty close to double. And then, your reactions to iPhone Duo, which just came out yesterday, the Man on the Street bonus episode, live, 203,000, engaged, 93,000.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  So it's 2X.

• 11:19Andrew Manganelli?

  So over 2X.

• 11:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, and on the main channel, it's kind of felt like slightly over 2X as well. So the, the main impressions video on the Duo is now the second most viewed MKBHD video of all time.

• 11:34David Imel?

  What?

• 11:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, wait, second most, are you including?

• 11:37Speaker 05

  So I don't include Retro Tech. Retro Tech I do not count.

• 11:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 11:40Speaker 05

  Uh, Vision Pro had 28 million views. This video is now showing 26.7 million views.

• 11:45David Imel?

  Jesus.

• 11:46Speaker 05

  Uh, obviously, those are not all real views because the Engage views is 13.6. So exactly half, roughly half. It's still 13.6 million views, but 25, that's a completely different ballpark.

• 12:00David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:00Andrew Manganelli?

  It makes the Engage view feel so much worse. We should all be like, 13 million, let's go. That's an awesome video. Instead, we're like, eh.

• 12:09Speaker 05

  Well, only 13.

• 12:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 12:10Speaker 05

  It is crazy. Um, yeah. Engage view is still, I mean, it's still a great video, but that's something to note. So 2X. And then there's two other videos. There's a second iPhone Duo video I published on with a little bit more breaking down like the, the distribution between like iPad buyers and this, et cetera. The analytics are showing that has 11 million views. It has 5.5 million Engage views. So it's exactly half.

• 12:30David Imel?

  Wow.

• 12:31Speaker 05

  And then just today, we published, as of recording this, on Wednesday, the iPhone 18 Pro review. It's been a couple hours. It's showing 3.1 million views and 1.4 million Engage views, so less than half.

• 12:44David Imel?

  It seems like overall it trends towards 50%.

• 12:46Speaker 05

  Something like that, yeah.

• 12:48David Imel?

  Which is really bad.

• 12:50Andrew Manganelli?

  It's terrible. I've yet to find a reason why I should like this. Do you know how we always say over, or under promise, over deliver?

• 12:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, YouTube's doing the exact, they're over promising, under delivering. This is terrible.

• 13:04Speaker 05

  I saw a few other videos about this and one interesting thing I hadn't considered is that, uh, actually, I did consider this accidentally. I think in the last episode, I was talking about how I can't tell what a good video is anymore because I see a video, it has a ton of views, and then I open it up and I have no idea how many dislikes it has. So I really am totally thrown off and I can't tell if it's a bad video or not at first glance. That's still true. And I think a lot of these videos now, like on my homepage, I'm like, oh, wow, look at, there's a ton of videos, of views on this. Let me click it. And then every single time, I realize that it has a ton of views because of the Vflation.

• 13:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 13:35Speaker 05

  So I don't know what to click anymore.

• 13:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 13:38Speaker 05

  Like, everything has a lot of views.

• 13:39David Imel?

  And there's no dislike button anymore.

• 13:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:41David Imel?

  Is it a hot take to say that maybe they shouldn't have even given us access to Engage view statistics?

• 13:46Speaker 05

  No.

• 13:47David Imel?

  Because?

• 13:48Speaker 05

  They have to.

• 13:49David Imel?

  I, I mean, I don't know.

• 13:50Speaker 05

  I think there'd be.

• 13:51David Imel?

  It makes it always feel bad. And none of the other platforms give you Engage view statistics. So like.

• 13:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Your CPMs would be like a third and you would just be like, what happened? Are we not getting paid? If you didn't get the Engage views to compare, because you need Engage views to compare to your CPM. And then, yeah, you're just like, why is every video I'm making getting?

• 14:11David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:12Andrew Manganelli?

  You'd be like, why is it getting the same amount of money I always make, but a third also?

• 14:16David Imel?

  It's definitely better to have more information. It's just like, I don't know. Eventually, I feel like if they're trying to get people used to the new view counts over time.

• 14:25Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a good point.

• 14:26David Imel?

  Showing you the true views is not going to help you get used to it. You know what I mean?

• 14:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, but they did bury it a little bit.

• 14:33David Imel?

  Yeah, fair enough.

• 14:34Speaker 05

  So people are just gonna be, and you don't see it on anyone's channel other than your own. So for most people, they never look at Engage views. They just look at other people's public view counts.

• 14:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:41Speaker 05

  If you're not a creator, that's just something you'll just get used to over time.

• 14:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:44David Imel?

  True.

• 14:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Also, Studio Video, uh, 948,000 live, 454,000.

• 14:50Speaker 05

  So almost half.

• 14:51David Imel?

  50% again.

• 14:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Still another great video.

• 14:53David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:54Andrew Manganelli?

  But half.

• 14:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:55David Imel?

  Um, okay, so we have a lot of thoughts about the new iPhone Pros. The reviews went out this morning, so you should watch that video on the MKBHD channel if you have that. I have a bunch of camera thoughts and I have also, uh, brought up a little, a little thing that I can show you guys on the screen. So I can show you guys some, um, some camera stuff.

• 15:14Speaker 05

  Let's just start with the thing that you got wrong.

• 15:16David Imel?

  Me?

• 15:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes, exactly. Start there.

• 15:20David Imel?

  I have a hard time thinking of that.

• 15:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just, I noticed on Twitter, you said that the burgundy was a good color. And I just want to be very clear.

• 15:26David Imel?

  It's so good.

• 15:26Speaker 05

  I just want to be super crystal clear. You got that one wrong.

• 15:30David Imel?

  What are you talking about?

• 15:31Speaker 05

  You did get that one wrong.

• 15:32David Imel?

  Okay, just because they've made a matte black phone, doesn't mean the other colors are bad.

• 15:35Speaker 05

  Yes, it does. It's a clear one.

• 15:38David Imel?

  One thing being good does not make everything else bad.

• 15:40Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 15:43Speaker 05

  No, what's, what's funny about these colors? Okay, they have four new colors, the silver, the light blue, the burgundy and the black.

• 15:50David Imel?

  Glacier.

• 15:50Speaker 05

  The darker ones, which include the matte black and the burgundy, show a lot of fingerprints this year. There's like a different finish. And so there, it's a little bit annoying how many fingerprints they show.

• 15:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 16:00Speaker 05

  Um, I still personally love the matte black and shooting video of it, it's clear how much it absorbs light and doesn't reflect. It's awesome.

• 16:08David Imel?

  I see it again.

• 16:08Speaker 05

  I happen to really like it. The burgundy is weird because it's hard to show on camera. It, if you look on Apple's website, that can look one way. If you look at footage people have gotten of it, that can look one way. It's generally kind of like a dark plum, uh, I don't know, purple.

• 16:23David Imel?

  It's like a burgundy color.

• 16:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, I think.

• 16:27Speaker 05

  True.

• 16:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Initially, my thought of burgundy was wrong. I thought there was a little more red. I guess I was thinking more of like a maroonish. But it's far more like brown purple than I thought it was going to be.

• 16:39Speaker 06

  It's a Cabernet.

• 16:41Speaker 05

  It does look like wine.

• 16:41David Imel?

  Cabernet.

• 16:42Speaker 05

  In the sun, though, in the bright lights, there is like a metallic reflective fleck.

• 16:47Andrew Manganelli?

  There is in the, especially on the like back glass.

• 16:51Speaker 05

  So it has like a shiny shimmer to it, which is interesting.

• 16:54David Imel?

  I don't love this matte black. I'm not gonna lie.

• 16:56Speaker 05

  I can't believe how wrong you.

• 16:57David Imel?

  I feel like.

• 16:59Andrew Manganelli?

  You've got the two right in front of you.

• 17:00David Imel?

  Yeah, I feel like it kind of reflects the white balance of the room and I can see some like green in it right now.

• 17:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Trying to say something about our white balance?

• 17:06Speaker 05

  It's like a video tool?

• 17:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Talking about Mike Kelvin?

• 17:10David Imel?

  How can you call this a bad color? I don't understand how you could call this a bad color.

• 17:13Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a confusing color.

• 17:15David Imel?

  It's not that it's a bad color. I would say that it is the worst color Apple has ever made.

• 17:19Speaker 05

  You are so insane.

• 17:21David Imel?

  It's true.

• 17:22Speaker 05

  That is.

• 17:22David Imel?

  There are so many better colors.

• 17:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Just above that Band-Aid iPhone 8.

• 17:26David Imel?

  Worst color.

• 17:26Speaker 05

  Audio listeners are like, what are we talking about right now?

• 17:29Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know. I have a hard time because every time I look at it in a different light, it looks different. I'm like, oh, that's purple. Oh, that's brown. Oh, that's really dark. Oh, that's kind of light. I'm, and every time I try and take a picture of what color I want it to look like, it turns out the other color.

• 17:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:44Andrew Manganelli?

  It's extremely confusing.

• 17:45Speaker 05

  Nothing has ever been that color before.

• 17:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Nothing's usually see-through.

• 17:49Speaker 05

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna jump off a cliff. Just wanted to get that out the way.

• 17:53David Imel?

  Okay, sure. All right. We could talk about the other things in the phone. Obviously, this is not the biggest update iPhone this year in terms of like giant hardware update, upgrades. It was an improvement year. In your review, you called it an S year. Um, a lot of people don't remember the S years, but they used to do that.

• 18:09Speaker 05

  Oh, I feel old.

• 18:10David Imel?

  I know.

• 18:11Speaker 05

  Okay, yeah.

• 18:11David Imel?

  I know.

• 18:11Andrew Manganelli?

  So the Reddit thread totally agreed with you. They said, calling this the S update is the most apt, like TLDR of this entire video.

• 18:19Speaker 05

  Redditers will remember like the 3GS versus the 3G, the 4S versus the 4, the 5S versus the 5. You would get this like design increase, this new design, some new interesting things in the big number. And then when you get the S, it would be the faster one and maybe like one camera feature.

• 18:34David Imel?

  The Intel TikTok cycle.

• 18:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 18:36David Imel?

  Tick and tock, right?

• 18:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, that's what he said too.

• 18:38Speaker 05

  So this iPhone 18 Pro, design-wise, when visually people see us the same design, they go, oh, it's not a big update. Fine. It's the same design. But the updates are a slightly new camera feature and new performance and new battery. That's, that's.

• 18:52David Imel?

  Better cooling, better cooling.

• 18:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, and better cooling. That being said, those three things did get really interesting updates. I think the chip update is underrated. I think the variable aperture is a little overhyped from Apple, but it is interesting potentially for the future.

• 19:06David Imel?

  Yes.

• 19:06Speaker 05

  And then the battery, uh, everyone loves a good battery and it's a great battery.

• 19:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 19:10Speaker 05

  So here we are with those three new things. Talk about the camera a little bit, because I know it's the same sensors as the last year's phone.

• 19:18David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 19:18Speaker 05

  But they're doing different things with the primary camera's lens.

• 19:20David Imel?

  Yeah, so I talked to the camera team a little bit because I went to Arizona for a week and tested these cameras. Uh, I was very impressed because I was taking photos both in just the HEIC modes and then also in Pro Raw. I don't usually shoot in Pro Raw because traditionally I found that Pro Raw does the same artifacting that just straight out of the camera photos do, where it oversharpen's a little too much. It has that sort of plasticky smartphone look. So I was shooting a little bit of RAW through like Moment Camera 2. And then I just started using the main camera and shooting Pro Raw and regular photos. And I was like, oh, a lot of that artifacting went away.

• 19:58Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 19:58David Imel?

  The plasticky like skin texture stuff is like kind of gone. And you don't get as much of a smartphone camera look in a lot of these images anymore. So I talked to the camera team and I was like, did you do something? And they said, oh, yeah, we, we thought that the signal to noise ratio got good enough this year that we decided to pull, we re-engineered the image pipeline and we're doing way less, uh, sharpening now than we used to do. They also said, because we added the texture modes, um, in photographic styles, that gives you access to, you know, more texture stuff, sharpening, softening, whatever. We don't need to do as much of that straight out of camera. So we like re-engineered the pipeline.

• 20:36David Imel?

  And in my opinion, it's way better. I really wonder if they're gonna pull this onto the iPhone 17 Pro or before, or if it's just with this.

• 20:44Speaker 05

  I have a feeling the wider aperture, the F1.48 max aperture is partially responsible for that better signal to noise ratio, which made them more comfortable with it just on 18 Pros, but we'll see.

• 20:54David Imel?

  I think that's probably true. Um, but specifically the color and the texture, I found much better. So here's some samples. This is almost straight out of camera. It was Pro Raw and I brought down the highlight in the sky a little bit and that was basically it.

• 21:09Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, the gradient from like shadow into highlight is very impressive.

• 21:13David Imel?

  Something I've really noticed in all of these photos is that they kind of let the shadows lie where they are instead of like jacking them up as much as they're used to.

• 21:22Speaker 05

  Really?

• 21:22David Imel?

  And it adds more contour to the photos in general. I mean, here's another one. What's kind of crazy that I noticed was that a lot of the photos that I was taking felt like they could have been in the keynote. Because it, there's generally a huge distinction between the keynote photos and the actual photos that you get out of the camera where.

• 21:40Speaker 05

  Keynote photos, they go to like a desert and take outside pictures.

• 21:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Partially, this is you're in like an extremely beautiful place.

• 21:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Taking.

• 21:50David Imel?

  Some things are just super well lit, so I understand, but like, I mean, the, the kind of like texture and quality and the color is way more natural than I found.

• 22:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that a national park bathroom?

• 22:01David Imel?

  Uh, yeah.

• 22:02Andrew Manganelli?

  All right.

• 22:02David Imel?

  Well, no.

• 22:03Andrew Manganelli?

  I can tell if it's in anywhere.

• 22:04David Imel?

  It was not a national park.

• 22:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Like a state park?

• 22:06David Imel?

  It was a.

• 22:07Andrew Manganelli?

  That brown.

• 22:08David Imel?

  Navajo Park. I don't think that those are either.

• 22:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, probably.

• 22:11David Imel?

  Um. But yeah, if you just like, this one impressed me the most. It was a telephoto 4X photo that is a ProRAW image straight out of camera.

• 22:21Speaker 05

  That's nice.

• 22:21David Imel?

  With like zero changes. And I understand that like in super bright environments, when you're saturating those, those pixels, it's gonna look good, no matter what.

• 22:29Speaker 05

  Case scenario.

• 22:30David Imel?

  But like, the texture and the col- like, the color's so natural. That's what I was really surprised at.

• 22:36Andrew Manganelli?

  For audio listeners, just imagine, super beautiful Arizona desert photos.

• 22:41Speaker 05

  Red rocks.

• 22:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Red, yeah, very warm, blue sky.

• 22:44David Imel?

  This is an H- this is a, not even ProRAW. This is like HEIC telephoto, straight up camera, no edits.

• 22:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:52David Imel?

  And I'm just like, overall, I was just like, this is crazy. The sun stars are fine. I, I don't.

• 22:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:59David Imel?

  You know?

• 23:00Speaker 05

  So the sun stars, you typically, okay. I've come from a long history of camera lenses, like a lot of fun, different camera lenses. And the thing that people always try to get from like a cinematic lens flare is like the perfect like sun star or like lens flare. And whenever you watch lens reviews from back in the day, they would always say the number of blades in the aperture and then show the types of sunbursts you can get from that number of blades. Oh, there's nine blade aperture. Oh, there's an 11 blade aperture. So you can kinda get some of the same effects here. If you stop down while you have a point light as your, in your source, you can get one of these, uh, nice six blade.

• 23:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 23:40Speaker 05

  Sun stars, which is cool. You can also add that by asking Siri to add it. But yeah, that is, that is one of the unique things about this one, it's not wide open.

• 23:49David Imel?

  I do wish they had more than four aperture or six aperture blades because it, I don't know. A six aperture sun star is just kinda, kinda mid, in my opinion.

• 23:58Speaker 05

  Give me like a 12.

• 23:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 24:01David Imel?

  Low light was still a weak point for it, in my opinion. Like, you can get a decent photo, but it's definitely got more of the artifacting and sort of the compression in the low light images. And I didn't put it in here, I don't think, but there was a, I tried to do an astro photo handheld and the pixel's still just like, far and away.

• 24:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 24:20David Imel?

  Far and away, yeah.

• 24:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Actually, that first photo was the most impressive to me, just because of like the shadow.

• 24:26David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 24:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, yeah, it's not just trying to make this, hello, bright, see everything. It's just.

• 24:33David Imel?

  I mean, I felt that way about this too.

• 24:35Andrew Manganelli?

  True, yeah.

• 24:36David Imel?

  The dark areas are really dark and I didn't do anything to that, which I thought was, which I thought was awesome.

• 24:42Speaker 05

  It's nice to actually see some shadows.

• 24:44David Imel?

  Yeah. The telephoto, again, really cool. It adds some natural depth of field. I just think the color, straight up camera color is like really nice.

• 24:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:54David Imel?

  So, yeah, I was pretty impressed with this.

• 24:56Speaker 06

  We're, we're three for three with, we said something and they listened, bro. We, we asked for shadows.

• 25:02David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 25:03Speaker 06

  We got shadows.

• 25:04Speaker 05

  Sometimes, yeah. I, I took a bunch of stuff. I still am not, I mean, these are more subtle differences are pointing out. I still think in general, it has a habit of seeing faces and lifting shadows. I think when you turn, I, I mess with tone sometimes, so just force it to give me more shadows.

• 25:18David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 25:20Speaker 05

  But yeah, the photos were pretty great. I was not, you know, shocked at the difference between wide open and F4, but I was like, okay, this is one of the subtle things you can now add to your things, you can change in a photo.

• 25:30David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 25:30Speaker 05

  Cool. As I mentioned in the review, I think this gives me more confidence that when they continue to go to larger sensors, like, give me like that 1" type sensor on an iPhone now. And variable aperture.

• 25:43David Imel?

  Hundred percent.

• 25:43Speaker 05

  I think that will make a bigger difference and will be more useful.

• 25:46David Imel?

  It's funny because Sony themselves, who are using 1.0 type sensors, their biggest problem on those, on those smartphone cameras is that they have no variable aperture and everything's always out of focus.

• 25:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's tough.

• 25:58David Imel?

  Uh, and blown out. They don't do that well either.

• 26:01Speaker 05

  That's just Sony.

• 26:02David Imel?

  Yeah. I like the Pro controls that they added, uh, to be able to like change the shutter speed and things like that. You can only do one second though. I wish you could do a little bit longer. So you can do things like, kind of like whip pans and like adding different effects and stuff like that. I think the variable aperture is gonna be semi-more useful in video because it'll allow you to have a little bit more creative control there. But overall, I kinda feel like people are not clamoring for a wider field of focus in their smartphone camera.

• 26:33Speaker 05

  The opposite usually.

• 26:34David Imel?

  Yeah, usually the opposite because the, the thing that separates a smartphone from a dedicated camera has traditionally been depth of field. And so I don't think people are like, I want a less professional looking thing, which it's not always less professional. Anyway, it's a whole thing. I'm gonna yell that by the photo community for this, but anyway, yeah. I was just, I was really surprised by the, the camera quality, the color and the texture. I think were really awesome.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  So then, there was a new chip. There's the A20 Pro. And a couple interesting facts about it. One, it benchmarks the highest single core score ever in an Apple chip that we've ever tested. That's exciting. Two, in multi-threaded CPU tests, it's like M1 level. That's pretty exciting. And three, it's a 2nm chip now. And so they did a couple interesting things to get a little bit more performance and efficiencies out of this chip. Obviously 2nm, 2nm makes it easier for that. Uh, they moved the DRAM off of the CPU, like we said last episode, and put it next to it. So now you can cool the CPU more effectively. So it has better peak performance and better longevity because of the better cooling.

• 27:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 27:40Speaker 05

  Bigger vapor chamber and all that. Will a regular person notice any of this when just using it like a regular phone? No. And that's why they probably shouldn't get this phone. They should get the base phone, whenever it comes out next year. But for the pros, if there are things that you are doing with like a longer processing time, you're exporting videos, you're gaming, you're doing stuff, uh, this gives you more headroom and it's just a flat out impressive chip. Made me happy and excited for the MacBook Neo to get this chip.

• 28:04David Imel?

  Yes, yes.

• 28:05Andrew Manganelli?

  And all the compatible components?

• 28:07Speaker 05

  And all the compatible.

• 28:07David Imel?

  I will also say like the, the bigger vapor chamber that I think is like 40% bigger or something, it's quite a bit.

• 28:13Speaker 05

  Thought it was the surface area.

• 28:15David Imel?

  Surface area, yeah.

• 28:16Speaker 05

  300.

• 28:17David Imel?

  I mean, I was in Arizona in like 112 degree heat and the phone was not overheating and it was not getting super hot and I was taking a lot of photos and stuff like that. And that's a pretty big deal.

• 28:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's interesting the way that this is sort of panned out because I think a lot of people have started thermally measuring the outside of the phone.

• 28:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 28:35Speaker 05

  When, and, and Mr. Who's the Boss did a good job explaining this in his video. That actually isn't the best, like, isn't the most indicative of how well it's cooling the chip. If it's cooling the chip inside the phone really well, it's evacuating the heat to the outside of the phone.

• 28:49David Imel?

  Right.

• 28:49Speaker 05

  So it can feel warmer in your hand and it can actually read warmer from the outside from a thermal camera, but that's because it's cooling the CPU inside better and moving the heat out.

• 28:58David Imel?

  It's also less like concentrated heat in one area and it's that heat is spread across the entire phone. So it's less hot, but it's across the entire phone instead of just being on one little area.

• 29:08Speaker 05

  The whole mid-frame, the whole back of the display. So it'll feel, I, I did a bunch of benchmarks and that phone gets plenty hot in my hand. It feels warm in my hand, but it is scoring 25% better on every single run because it's evacuating heat from the chip.

• 29:22David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 29:22Speaker 05

  It's a more powerful chip.

• 29:23David Imel?

  One thing that I found to be just colloquially, wait, is this not the right way to say this? One thing that I found to be slightly worse, but I think I would like to see some official testing because it could just be my experience, was when they, they moved the Face ID sensor to underneath the display, on the top left of the phone.

• 29:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 29:42David Imel?

  And it's similar to the iPhone Duo under display inner camera where they sort of like, they lower the resolution of that little area and then in between those pixels, they put the Face ID sensor, which is infrared cameras. And I have sort of noticed in my day to day that it's not grabbing my face as quickly and easily as I felt like it was on the 17 Pro. Like on the 17 Pro, it felt like the, the phone could be sitting, uh, on its face or it could be like face up on the table and it would notice my face from like here. It was like.

• 30:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:12David Imel?

  Really wide.

• 30:13Speaker 05

  Same.

• 30:13David Imel?

  Apple told us that it was the same field of view and that should be able to capture the same thing, but I have had to input my password into my phone more often because it doesn't read my face at certain angles.

• 30:27Speaker 05

  I have not had any difference, but.

• 30:28David Imel?

  Okay.

• 30:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I wonder if that's just, it is the same field of view, but it is shifted to the side of the phone now. Is it?

• 30:35David Imel?

  Right.

• 30:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Gee, are you just used to, uh, I'm not saying this is, this is still a problem of it changing and people have to get used to it, but like, you nailed the perfect angle of what you're used to capturing and now that angle. Although.

• 30:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 30:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Depending on what side it's on, I don't know. We did a, we took like a microscope photo of those pixels and it's pretty cool. It's like right where the one starts on the, the time.

• 30:56David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 30:56Andrew Manganelli?

  And like the left and right difference, you could see them. Also, you're welcome to everyone on Twitter who stole that image out of our and posted it everywhere.

• 31:03David Imel?

  That was from our video.

• 31:04Speaker 05

  Cause I saw it all over Twitter, I didn't know that was ours. That's funny. Yeah, so I don't know. I would like to wait to see some official testing on that. For now, I'm not sure. I have the regular Pro and I've had the Max in previous years. Apple says that the battery life on the regular Pro is as good as the Max from last year.

• 31:20David Imel?

  Confirmed.

• 31:22Speaker 05

  I was, I was making sure, this is just my own testing, I was making sure to have a couple of days where it's like not indexing, not benchmarking, not doing anything crazy and just using the phone like regular. And on those days, I was like, oh wow, this is really good.

• 31:33David Imel?

  Okay.

• 31:33Speaker 05

  52% at the end of the day type of stuff. I'm at 80 something right now.

• 31:36David Imel?

  Oh.

• 31:36Speaker 05

  And I, and this is my normal usage, like a bunch of CarPlay.

• 31:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:39Speaker 05

  Bunch of photos, a bunch of scrolling emails, stuff like that.

• 31:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:43Speaker 05

  It's been excellent for me. So the Pro Max, I'm, I'm sure is really good too.

• 31:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:49Andrew Manganelli?

  If you were true reviewers, you would have an 18 Pro and a 17 Pro Max and do the exact same thing. Every single input you put into the phone for a whole day.

• 31:57David Imel?

  I think that is what Joanna Stern did in her video.

• 32:00Andrew Manganelli?

  That sounds like something Joanna Stern would do and that's why she's the greatest.

• 32:02David Imel?

  It had to do with the pickle too, though.

• 32:04Andrew Manganelli?

  And that's exactly what Joanna Stern.

• 32:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:08Andrew Manganelli?

  We love her.

• 32:09David Imel?

  Um, yeah. So I know you're all waiting for the iPhone Duo. Uh, hopefully we'll have review units of that in like a while. I don't know. But we're all very excited for that. We're wondering how the battery life is going to be. We're wondering how the experience is going to be.

• 32:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I want to see it in person.

• 32:22David Imel?

  October's gonna go crazy.

• 32:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I'm so interested in it. I, I want to see the animation. I think it's so funny. All the people replicating animations to be like, it wasn't that hard. And every single one of them, they open the phone and it's just black, black, black, black, black on. And then animations like, the reason this animation works well is because it's, it looks like it's instantly on.

• 32:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Maybe that's not the case.

• 32:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:43Speaker 05

  Oh, um, also the charging. Sorry. I wanted to just bring this up faster. I couldn't say this on the podcast because, uh, we were not allowed to say we had the phones yet. Uh, but I have the, a power brick that tells you how much power is going through the phone and it hit 40 watts.

• 32:57David Imel?

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:57Speaker 05

  Which is pretty awesome. I, so I plugged it into like a super high wattage charger, my MacBook Pro charger, and it was pulling 43. And then Rich brought in his specifically his new 40 watt charger that will vault up to 60.

• 33:11David Imel?

  Right.

• 33:11Speaker 05

  For Apple devices or whatever.

• 33:13David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 33:13Speaker 05

  And it charged at like 54 watts.

• 33:16David Imel?

  Really?

• 33:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:17David Imel?

  Wow.

• 33:18Speaker 05

  For the first like third of the battery, it was plenty fast.

• 33:20David Imel?

  It's kind of crazy. I feel like, cause Apple never talks about specific numbers, right? They don't talk about capacities.

• 33:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Not at all.

• 33:27David Imel?

  They don't talk about wattage. They don't have any of that. I feel like they should when it's impressive. Because you know, it's obviously not impressive against a OnePlus phone or an Oppo phone. But against like the Pixel, which is still charging at a way lower speed, like they should be doing that. They should be talking about that.

• 33:42Speaker 05

  I wish, yeah.

• 33:43David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 33:44Speaker 05

  One of my requests specifically for this new iPhone, 8K video. It's time. It's time. You're ready. Everyone is ready for 8K video from iPhone.

• 33:52David Imel?

  Why?

• 33:53Speaker 05

  Because.

• 33:54David Imel?

  Why?

• 33:55Speaker 05

  So you have the sensor, it's capable of it.

• 33:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 33:58Speaker 05

  You have the eight, you have the 820 Pro chip, you're capable of it and processing and all that. And there's a new feature that they added, which lets you set a hard limit to how much storage your ProRes video takes up on your phone.

• 34:10David Imel?

  Oh.

• 34:11Speaker 05

  So you'll never, I, I assume the reason they don't want to enable 8K video is because, oh, you know, it's not that big of a difference and it's going to fill up people's phones too fast and they'll get mad.

• 34:18David Imel?

  Destroy their batteries.

• 34:19Speaker 05

  Well, now when you turn that on, just pop up that feature and let people set like a 100 gig limit or something and it'll say, oh, this is only five minutes of 8K video. Fine. As long as I know, let me turn it on. I'm a pro. I'm using it a pro iPhone. I'm a pro. Let me take 8K Pro video on the iPhone, please.

• 34:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Wasn't there a, a feature a few generations ago where like you could only get it on the Pro One storage up?

• 34:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was like ProRes, ProRes RAW video. Yeah, it was like not available on the base storage.

• 34:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, you had to get like the 512 or the.

• 34:49Speaker 05

  Yeah. So that makes it clear to me that they, it's at least partially a storage question. I think it's ready.

• 34:54Andrew Manganelli?

  It's ready.

• 34:55Speaker 05

  Give me 8K. Also give me Rex799 preview while shooting log.

• 34:58David Imel?

  You know, at first I was surprised that you cared about 8K, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

• 35:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. When he said that, it's like, do you know when like in a movie, they, they say the title of the movie and you're like, that, they did the thing like.

• 35:11David Imel?

  Oh, he's.

• 35:11Andrew Manganelli?

  When Marquez is saying 8K, why is anyone surprised? It's the title of.

• 35:15David Imel?

  It's crazy that I want my matte black phone to shoot 8K video.

• 35:18Speaker 05

  Black is ugly.

• 35:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, I have a, a question I kept seeing, which a question I'm kind of surprised about. I guess in a, in a short, Linus had mentioned with the passport style short phone that using the exterior screen, when you have a keyboard and like a URL board up. How do you have any space for, you know, what's the typing experience? How do you have any space for things in between that? And I guess, and then everyone I saw in the comments, not everyone, but a lot of comments, the Duo, sorry. Yes, on the Duo. So we don't have it yet.

• 35:49David Imel?

  No.

• 35:49Andrew Manganelli?

  But you guys experienced this.

• 35:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 35:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Lots of people were like, why didn't any reviewers show the typing experience on it? And my thought was because everyone's used to it already. We've had like 12 different passport style phones on Android that all would have the exact same issue. Do you remember typing on the exterior screen?

• 36:05Speaker 05

  Actually do. I might have a shot of it. I can give you guys. I'll look for it. But, uh, when it's wide open and you're typing in widescreen, it's a big keyboard. But it can do a split keyboard. Cause if you partially fold it, it kind of separates the UI.

• 36:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Though. What about exterior screen?

• 36:20Speaker 05

  Oh, it's just a normal keyboard.

• 36:21Andrew Manganelli?

  That's what I.

• 36:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Thought.

• 36:23David Imel?

  I don't think it's bad that it's wider. And actually when you're using the exterior screen, when it's closed, it's more comfortable to use that phone with two hands.

• 36:30Speaker 05

  Did I really not show the keyboard? I feel like I probably at some.

• 36:32Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know. There was, it sounded like you guys had pretty minimal time on getting videos of it. And I just, to me, it felt, we have a million passport style phones already. We've seen what a keyboard and an address bar looks like on this. So.

• 36:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 36:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know if that was a, one person mentions it, everyone jumps on top of it. But, uh.

• 36:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 36:50Andrew Manganelli?

  I was surprised by that. The other funny thing I saw, did anyone see John Ternus at the Emmys showing off his Duo?

• 36:57David Imel?

  I did see that.

• 36:57Andrew Manganelli?

  And then later showing that he was taking a selfie with the iPhone 18 Pro.

• 37:01David Imel?

  Sideways.

• 37:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Sideways, when it doesn't need to be sideways because of center stage.

• 37:05David Imel?

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Everyone, I don't know. It's totally a not story. It's just very funny that he brought both and obviously doesn't.

• 37:12David Imel?

  I think that was intentional. I think Apple needs to position the Pros as the camera phone and the Duo as the.

• 37:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 37:19Speaker 05

  I agree.

• 37:20David Imel?

  100% think that.

• 37:21Speaker 05

  There's no way that wasn't planned.

• 37:22David Imel?

  Uh-huh.

• 37:22Speaker 05

  And if he, if he.

• 37:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, cause they need to post that selfie.

• 37:25David Imel?

  Well.

• 37:25Andrew Manganelli?

  And it very clearly is going to be posted better from the Pro.

• 37:28Speaker 05

  I think they clearly gave it to Turner and said, when you do the selfie, use this one.

• 37:33David Imel?

  They need to sell both phones and they especially need to sell the Pro right now while it's available to sell.

• 37:37Andrew Manganelli?

  True.

• 37:38Speaker 05

  True.

• 37:38David Imel?

  And I, yeah, they had to show both of them off. It was a marketing opportunity.

• 37:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't, I think that's a sick marketing besides the fact that only one is available of the Duo being flipped around and him holding a giant, taking the photo out.

• 37:49David Imel?

  Nice demo.

• 37:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Like that's a sick photo because you're seeing it from behind also, but.

• 37:53David Imel?

  As long as he's not taking it with the interior camera, which is really bad.

• 37:57Speaker 05

  That picture will come out next month when the Duo.

• 37:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 37:59Andrew Manganelli?

  I am only ever calling that the FaceTime camera like they did, because I refuse to call that a selfie camera, because it looks terrible.

• 38:05David Imel?

  It's pretty bad.

• 38:06Speaker 05

  It's fine. It won't be there in the next one. So.

• 38:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:09Speaker 05

  We should take bets on it. Did we take bets on that?

• 38:11Andrew Manganelli?

  On if it'll be there in the next.

• 38:12Speaker 05

  How long do they do? That's, okay, two things. I don't know how long they'll last. One is the under screen selfie camera. Two is a variable aperture lens. We've seen companies.

• 38:21David Imel?

  They're both staying.

• 38:21Speaker 05

  We've seen companies have the variable aperture lens and then kill it after a couple of generations. But we're getting these bigger sensors now. Does that mean Apple's is gonna stick around? Not sure. I hope it sticks around.

• 38:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Variable aperture.

• 38:33David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:33Speaker 05

  It'll stick around.

• 38:34Andrew Manganelli?

  It's definitely their next, I think both of these are clearly their next year.

• 38:37Speaker 05

  I think it gives them the green light next year to do a way bigger sensor.

• 38:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Possibly.

• 38:42Speaker 05

  I notice a bigger difference.

• 38:43David Imel?

  I agree.

• 38:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I just don't know how much further out from that it stays.

• 38:45Speaker 05

  Same.

• 38:46Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know.

• 38:47David Imel?

  They don't tend, I mean, what are things that they've gotten rid of besides like Touch ID?

• 38:51Speaker 05

  They do everything twice, at least.

• 38:53David Imel?

  They do everything twice.

• 38:54Speaker 05

  But like what other things have they gotten rid of?

• 38:55David Imel?

  3D Touch.

• 38:56Speaker 05

  3D Touch.

• 38:57David Imel?

  3D Touch. We had at least two years of that.

• 38:59Andrew Manganelli?

  The action button on the Duo.

• 39:01David Imel?

  Well, on the Duo.

• 39:02Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll never not be mad about that.

• 39:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 39:04Speaker 05

  Yeah. They will have another air. They always have two things. They had a mini twice. They had the plus twice.

• 39:09David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 39:10Speaker 05

  Before killing it off, they always do it at least two times.

• 39:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 39:12David Imel?

  I feel like.

• 39:13Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a priority making it right now.

• 39:14David Imel?

  I was kind of surprised. I'm surprised they haven't gotten rid of.

• 39:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Camera control.

• 39:18David Imel?

  Camera control.

• 39:18Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought it was so funny that they showed all these Pro camera options and didn't mention how any of them could connect to camera control at all.

• 39:27David Imel?

  They don't.

• 39:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Like they don't even mention it anymore.

• 39:29David Imel?

  I love using camera control to open the camera, but I had so many instances while I was testing this camera where I was accidentally slightly upping the exposure.

• 39:38Speaker 05

  I hate that. And I, I have mine set to tone and I was doing that as well. Also.

• 39:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 39:42Speaker 05

  Yeah. So camera control doesn't change variable aperture, but it can be mapped to the fake bokeh. So you can have like, you can accidentally change camera control in portrait mode to switch you to the fake depth of field instead of the actual variable aperture that they added to this phone.

• 39:56David Imel?

  So weird.

• 39:57Speaker 05

  There's also, there's four stops of variable aperture on this phone. Um, but third party apps will have access to a super granular control of it.

• 40:04David Imel?

  Why not camera control?

• 40:05Speaker 05

  It's, yeah, why not camera control?

• 40:07David Imel?

  Cause it's gonna be gone next year.

• 40:08Speaker 05

  Well, maybe.

• 40:10David Imel?

  It's conspiracy theory.

• 40:12Speaker 05

  Yeah. So I don't know. Variable aperture. Okay. All right. Well, uh, I think that's about it. You should go watch the review if you haven't watched it already. Um, we got to take an ad break because we are bad at taking hand breaks. So we're gonna do trivia first.

• 40:31Speaker 06

  All right, we're back in the studio, we're back to trivia, but we're trying something new. Instead of a trivia question, we're gonna do a trivia challenge. That's kinda what this is. Because we discussed, very briefly, not for very long, but very briefly, what the typing experience is like on the iPhone Duo. And it made me think back to the early, early Android days, when pioneers in their covered wagons were still heading west in search of gold.

• 41:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Avoiding dysentery.

• 41:05Speaker 05

  That was me. We were flashing bootloaders and stuff.

• 41:07Speaker 06

  And no one quite knew how typing was gonna work on a slab touchscreen. And all sorts of various ideas were thrown forth. And one of my favorite ideas is called the 8 Pen Keyboard. Have any of you familiar? Don't Google it, don't Google it, no one Google it.

• 41:22Andrew Manganelli?

  No, sorry, I was Googling something else that was not that.

• 41:24Speaker 05

  I do remember that.

• 41:25Andrew Manganelli?

  We were just talking about something similar to this the other day.

• 41:27Speaker 06

  It's called the 8 Pen Keyboard. It was modernized by an app called the 8 Vim Keyboard. Disclaimer, if you ever are going to install any third-party keyboards on a device, know that they can sneak trackers in there really easily. It's like, probably not the best idea, which is why, on this air-gapped, burner account logged in, nothing phone 3, I have installed the 8 Vim Keyboard. And when it comes time for trivia answers, I am going to have each of you type "like and subscribe" on that keyboard. And I'm not going to explain how that keyboard works. I have a screenshot of the keyboard, so if you'll draw your attention to the screen.

• 42:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I've always wanted to do a T9 typing challenge. Maybe that could be a studio short.

• 42:12Speaker 05

  I remember this. I remember this. I had this. I, Jesus, I had this. What phone did I have this on?

• 42:19David Imel?

  I tried this.

• 42:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm gonna try and explain this.

• 42:21Speaker 05

  Galaxy S1.

• 42:22Andrew Manganelli?

  It kind of looks like the crosshair of a fighter pilot, turned 45 degrees, so it kinda makes an X with a circle. And then around it are letters.

• 42:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Not all of the letters, a lot of the letters.

• 42:35Speaker 05

  It is all the letters.

• 42:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Is it all the letters?

• 42:36Speaker 05

  It is all the letters. This is when swipe keyboards were getting really big.

• 42:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 42:40Speaker 05

  That's a little hint. But, remember swipe, when that first dropped?

• 42:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 42:44Speaker 05

  It was like, a revolutionary thing that you could swipe. And obviously, now all the keyboards have swipe abilities now. But that was really interesting. And then this was like a...

• 42:51David Imel?

  What was that other keyboard that Microsoft bought, that was really good?

• 42:54Speaker 06

  I think you're thinking of Swift Key.

• 42:55David Imel?

  Swift Key.

• 42:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:57David Imel?

  Swift Key was like, a competitor to Swipe.

• 42:59Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 42:59Andrew Manganelli?

  So, I have to assume this is like, the letters more commonly next to each other go in some sort of pattern.

• 43:07Speaker 06

  I'm not, I'm not giving you any information. You're just gonna get a phone in your hand, 60 seconds on the clock, and you will have to type "like and subscribe." Whoever makes it through the most letters will get the point.

• 43:19Speaker 05

  And we have to swipe everything we can't tap?

• 43:20Speaker 06

  I'm not telling you how to use it. You're just gonna get a phone in your hand.

• 43:24Andrew Manganelli?

  There is, the photo we get to see does have a red mark across it, that does kind of look like swiping. So whether that is a hint, or a way to screw with us.

• 43:33Speaker 06

  It was an unfortunate hint. I could not find any screenshots of the keyboard.

• 43:36Speaker 05

  Oh, I kinda remember this. Yeah. You like swipe around it, and...

• 43:40Speaker 06

  Don't say anything.

• 43:41Andrew Manganelli?

  What I was looking up was, we were talking about old, when we were first doing touchscreens. Do you guys remember the BlackBerry Storm?

• 43:47Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Where it was a touchscreen, but the whole screen was a button, and you had to like, press the whole screen. That was terrible. It was so bad.

• 43:54Speaker 05

  Yeah. Early touchscreens were something.

• 43:57David Imel?

  They were something.

• 43:57Speaker 05

  Okay, well, we will type at the end. We'll be right back.

• 44:11Speaker 07

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• 45:27Andrew Manganelli?

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• 46:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 05

  Chromebook with Gemini.

• 46:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Chromebook with Gemini. Not far off.

• 46:05Speaker 06

  We ain't on Chromebooks anymore.

• 46:06Andrew Manganelli?

  We got, it was kind of talked about at the Android show, I think, earlier this year. And now, we got the announcement that the preorder is coming up. My favorite way of announcing a product.

• 46:17Speaker 06

  Preorders for what?

• 46:19Andrew Manganelli?

  The Google Book.

• 46:19Speaker 05

  The Google Books.

• 46:20Speaker 06

  What Google Books?

• 46:21Speaker 05

  Many different Google Books.

• 46:22Andrew Manganelli?

  There's lots of ones. So, first of all, big win, you have to go to googlebook.google. Great URL. Already my favorite part of the story.

• 46:33Speaker 05

  What?

• 46:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Preorders are starting Monday, September 21st. And googlebook.google has a lot of fun teasers and information. So I wrote them all down, and I will explain what Google Book is to the best of my abilities.

• 46:44Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 46:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Because we are looking at this with the teaser page at googlebook.google, before preorders that come out Monday.

• 46:53Speaker 05

  Guys.

• 46:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 46:54Speaker 05

  Dot book is a TLD.

• 46:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Google dot book.

• 46:57Speaker 05

  They could've done that, Google dot book.

• 46:59Andrew Manganelli?

  They don't have enough money.

• 46:59Speaker 05

  They're goo...

• 47:01David Imel?

  Google dot book would've popped off. Is that taken?

• 47:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Google dot book is good, but googlebook.google is way better.

• 47:06Speaker 05

  I highly doubt it's taken.

• 47:07David Imel?

  Google dot book is not occupied.

• 47:08Speaker 05

  What?

• 47:10David Imel?

  They chose Google Book.

• 47:11Speaker 05

  Can you buy it?

• 47:11Andrew Manganelli?

  That's where the actual preorder page is. This is the teaser.

• 47:14David Imel?

  That's crazy. Yo, Siri, buy that URL.

• 47:16Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, so when you go to the page, we're greeted with a tagline called "Google Book: Designed for Gemini Intelligence." That just seems to be the tagline we're getting for everything now, right? The X product designed for X AI of X company.

• 47:29Speaker 05

  But there is a specific design feature that it has to have to be a Google Book.

• 47:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is?

• 47:34Speaker 05

  The light bar.

• 47:35Andrew Manganelli?

  The light bar? Are you sure?

• 47:37Speaker 05

  It seems like they're making such a big deal about the light bar, that this is a required design element.

• 47:41Andrew Manganelli?

  It's almost like we've been fooled before.

• 47:43David Imel?

  It only lights up when you get a call from a certain client. We have absolutely been fooled.

• 47:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I want it, I like, I have in my notes that the optimist in me wants to believe that this is a multifunctional bar with different colors, because you see it as like, the gradient of red, blue, yellow, green, the Google colors.

• 48:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:00Andrew Manganelli?

  And all we ever see it do is light up in this teaser page. So I want to believe that it can do all sorts of different things, like talking to Gemini, or different colors for different customizable things, or when you're charging with it closed.

• 48:11Speaker 05

  At least.

• 48:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Battery indicator.

• 48:12Speaker 05

  At least.

• 48:13Andrew Manganelli?

  So, would be so sweet.

• 48:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:14Andrew Manganelli?

  The realist in me, that's been burned by a highlight, assumes that it's just a color film over top of a bar with a white light behind it.

• 48:21Speaker 05

  Here's the other thing that's giving me a little bit of hope. When I go to the bottom of the website, in the FAQ section, there's three FAQs.

• 48:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 48:27Speaker 05

  One of them is, what's the difference between a Google Book and a Chromebook?

• 48:30Andrew Manganelli?

  I have that written.

• 48:31Speaker 05

  And it's sort of genuinely, so it says, "Google Books are a brand-new category of flagship laptop, bringing together the best of Chrome OS and Android. They come from high-quality materials, powerful performance, intelligence features, and seamless connectivity with your Android phone." So kind of an emphasis on the premium part. And then they say, "Chromebooks, on the other hand, run Chrome OS and are built to prioritize simplicity, speed, and efficiency, which makes them great for everyday use." So I think that because they're leaning into the premium part, and because of how prominently these like, glowing bars are on all the teasers, it seems like that's one of the like, required premium things. It probably has to be metal, probably has to have the bar, probably has to have like, a, you know, a good screen.

• 49:13David Imel?

  They all have to have the light bar, they mentioned that.

• 49:14Speaker 05

  Okay, good.

• 49:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, but, but none of us have confirmed what the light bar does. Cause in this, when I read "seamless connectivity with your Android phone," I think my light bar lights up five different colors when someone calls me on WhatsApp.

• 49:25Speaker 05

  That is fair. That's where my hope ends. I do not know what they will do with the light bar, but it will at least have a cool light bar.

• 49:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. It also says "featherweight design, heavyweight power." I mean, it's very clear we're looking at here with like, actual spec laptops versus Chromebooks with, like Mark has mentioned, they're like, simplicity, they're the perfect thing for a long time to buy your parents, your kids, who, people who just need to browse the internet, students in classroom, cheap, lower spec, worse material, but still durable laptops, quoting laptops using Chrome OS. That's what they were for.

• 49:59Speaker 05

  There has always been a really weird friction, where every few years, Google tries to make the Chromebook premium, and they just make the hardware incredible, and they add a bunch of RAM, and they add a fast CPU, and then you're just like, for Chrome?

• 50:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Pixelbook, remember that?

• 50:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, there have been multiple iterations.

• 50:16Andrew Manganelli?

  It's so sick and so bad.

• 50:17Speaker 05

  And I would argue that maybe the Pixelbook Go, which was the like, cheap one, that they released with the Pixel 4, was possibly like, the best Chromebook ever made.

• 50:26David Imel?

  Nah, Pixel's the best one.

• 50:28Speaker 05

  Chromebook Pixel.

• 50:29David Imel?

  Chromebook Pixel, and then also the, yeah, the Chromebook Pixel, the one that flipped around, that was really thin. Or are you talking about the first one?

• 50:36Speaker 05

  Talking about the first one, that $1,000 Chromebook Pixel with the light bar.

• 50:39David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:40Speaker 05

  And the touchscreen, yeah.

• 50:41David Imel?

  That one was awesome.

• 50:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Pixelbook.

• 50:42David Imel?

  There was the, yeah, the Pixelbook, that was great. It was so thin.

• 50:46Andrew Manganelli?

  It was like the Panda laptop.

• 50:48David Imel?

  Yeah, it was, that was pretty awesome. I really liked that computer, but the Pixelbook Go was like, their affordable version of it. And it was really great.

• 50:57Speaker 05

  If this one doesn't work, they're a fresh shot of names.

• 50:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:00Speaker 05

  So...

• 51:01Speaker 06

  Speaking of names, I'm so sorry. I have an update on this.

• 51:03Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 51:04Speaker 06

  You cannot register .book domains.

• 51:06Speaker 05

  I just, sorry, I was gonna...

• 51:08Speaker 06

  It is solely owned by Amazon and reserved for their book services.

• 51:11Speaker 05

  Oh, really?

• 51:12Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 51:13Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:14Speaker 06

  It is not a generic top-level domain. Sorry. That was bugging me since you said it, and I was like, why are there .book websites? Why can't I buy?

• 51:22Speaker 05

  Well, there's a website you can go to, where you can like, try to reserve a .book domain.

• 51:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, they all list it, but you can't.

• 51:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:29Speaker 06

  It's accessible. I'm so sorry, please.

• 51:30Speaker 05

  No, no, no, that's good.

• 51:31Andrew Manganelli?

  What if Google released a book called Google, and then published it?

• 51:37Speaker 06

  On Amazon?

• 51:37Andrew Manganelli?

  On Amazon. And then just redirected to the landing page for the Google Book.

• 51:41Speaker 06

  I did think it was funny, GoDaddy, I was like, can I buy Google dot book? And GoDaddy goes, "No, but you can buy facebookbookbook.com."

• 51:53David Imel?

  Yeah. Also, google.kids was available, which I feel like Google should own. But I don't know. It was $10 a year. Anyway.

• 52:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Interesting.

• 52:02David Imel?

  I didn't know. It suggested it to me. It suggested it to me.

• 52:06Andrew Manganelli?

  All right.

• 52:07Speaker 06

  Totally normal thing to say.

• 52:08David Imel?

  It said it to me. I didn't.

• 52:10Andrew Manganelli?

  So with Chromebooks being the, you know, lower spec, cheaper version, Pixel, no, why do I keep? Now I'm calling it a Pixelbook and I'm gonna make them a second again. Google Book.

• 52:20David Imel?

  Google Book.

• 52:20Andrew Manganelli?

  You know, if it's built for Gemini, it's obviously gonna, they need all the compute for LLM, so we're gonna see.

• 52:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 52:27Andrew Manganelli?

  You know, they even say like, intelligence is the new spec, which sounds like the easiest way to say gonna be expensive.

• 52:34David Imel?

  Don't worry about the specs.

• 52:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Don't worry about the specs, but it's gonna cost a lot. So hey, we've got our more powerful Chrome OS. There are some other interesting things about it. Like you said, in FAQ, they say, um, brand new category of flagship laptops, high quality materials, powerful performance. It is different than Chromebook, other than the fact that they both run Chrome OS. They also have some partners they've lined up for this, which is the part I'm the most confused about here. Because in the teaser image, the really nice laptop that they're showing, it says Google Book on the interior, under the keyboard, but nowhere else does it have a company name. And it says, some of the partners they have lined up for the launch during the fall, Acer, Asus, Dell, HP, Lenovo.

• 53:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Kind of all the usual suspects we think of in Windows laptops. And even in Chromebooks, they've been making Chromebooks for a while.

• 53:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 53:25Andrew Manganelli?

  But I don't know which one this is. I don't know what pre-orders it sounds like. I don't know if the Monday preorder is just gonna be one of these. I don't know if we're getting a Google version, a Google hardware version.

• 53:36David Imel?

  I don't think we are, which is surprising. I feel like we would.

• 53:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Is this a fake picture of just like the most vague?

• 53:43David Imel?

  My guess is this is the Asus one, because Asus generally makes the better hardware.

• 53:47Speaker 05

  I think, yeah, I think this is one of them. And I also think that the Google Book text branding is another one of the things that they've required to be a Google Book.

• 53:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, one of the interesting things about that is there is also, instead of the alt key, there is a Google logo, which at first I'm like, obviously a Gemini button, but then why wouldn't it be the Gemini logo? If it's the Gemini button. So now I'm confused by that because also in the lists of features, one of the things you can do is wiggle the mouse to activate Gemini to use onscreen.

• 54:16David Imel?

  Leave it, leave it. I'll take it.

• 54:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Onscreen references to different things. So you can like shake the mouse and you can circle a bunch of clothes and hit, what would I look like in these clothes?

• 54:26David Imel?

  Magic pointer.

• 54:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Magic. Is that what they're calling it? Magic pointer? Yeah.

• 54:29David Imel?

  You can select anything to ask, compare, or create with Gemini.

• 54:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is cool, but then what is the Google button for? I am not sure. Is it just like, no one even looks at the alt key? Let's just change it and have branding there?

• 54:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 54:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm not really sure about that.

• 54:44David Imel?

  There's a create my widget feature where you can like, create your own widgets by, it's vibe coding, your own widgets, basically, but on the laptop.

• 54:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I think creating your own widgets on phones and laptops are gonna be the new thing that we all think about. When we think about like, the old Android is the most customizable version, like creating your own widgets on things is going to be the new version of that.

• 55:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 55:04Andrew Manganelli?

  And I think it's kind of awesome, even though I have not used it at all.

• 55:07David Imel?

  Yeah, there are some really interesting ideas in this. One is that you can just open phone apps on your laptop without having to install them on the laptop. Cause Chrome OS, you had to install them from the Play Store and they were sort of separate from the ones on your laptop. You can access files from your phone directly on your computer, just instantaneously.

• 55:25Andrew Manganelli?

  And specifically, in the taskbar on the bottom, you have two separate buttons. One is the Google logo, which is the normal settings on your laptop, like on desktop. And one next to it is your phone, which then just pops up a little floating menu that's the apps on your phone to go into. I think an example they use is like, Duolingo said, don't forget your streak and pops up Duolingo and they do it real well. And that just shows how simultaneously it is. Uh, you're welcome, Duolingo. There's your shout out. Stop bugging David. We're good. Um, but it is cool that it's just right there seamlessly. Do everything with your phone. We've been talking about ecosystem for so long.

• 55:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 56:00Andrew Manganelli?

  This is, this feels like finally the Android ecosystem play people want.

• 56:04David Imel?

  Yeah. It is a really interesting idea because I think everyone's thought about like, well, Google cannot really make an Android equivalent of the MacBook because Google doesn't make an OS for computers that is like a dedicated hardware OS.

• 56:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 56:19David Imel?

  But it makes more sense to just be like, this is an extension of your phone. If you're a person who like lives off your phone, if you've, if you've got a Galaxy S26 Ultra and it's a very powerful, fast phone, you do a lot of things on your phone anyway. Instead of like docking your phone to a computer or something like that, just having a laptop, but all of your phone's files are there.

• 56:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 56:38David Imel?

  All of the things that you can do through your phone are there. You can cast your apps directly to the computer. That is a really interesting idea.

• 56:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it sounds nice.

• 56:46Speaker 05

  I, I guess my last question is just, what do we expect the difference in a buyer of a regular Chromebook versus a Google Book to be? Obviously, they're more expensive.

• 56:56David Imel?

  It's like a power user.

• 56:56Speaker 05

  They have more features, but then, yeah, it's a power user that still only really needs Chrome and doesn't need Windows or macOS.

• 57:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 57:06Speaker 05

  Doesn't game, doesn't, you know, have like, like video editing, yeah, and AI stuff. Is that a distinct enough group? I guess so.

• 57:16David Imel?

  I think they, they should either only sell Chromebooks to schools going forward, or just kill off Chromebooks in general.

• 57:25Speaker 05

  I think that's the lower price thing they have to keep around to be a lower price thing.

• 57:28Andrew Manganelli?

  It's so good to just like, convince your parents that this is the only laptop they need and spend. I mean, I don't know what they are anymore. I remember a Chromebook.

• 57:38David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, they're so cheap and they just are looking at Facebook on that instead of their phone. That's like, it's, it would be bad, I think, if we took that away from anyone outside of a classroom.

• 57:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 57:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's like too, too good.

• 57:52David Imel?

  Aren't there like a lot of school districts that are getting rid of Chromebooks, though?

• 57:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:55Speaker 06

  Who knows?

• 57:56Speaker 05

  A lot of school districts, yeah. And they're also, there's a lot of, this is maybe like last year, we started hearing a lot about this, like the MacBook Neo type stuff. Like Apple's trying to get into schools because they know that that's a, that's valuable real estate. And if they can get into schools and make lower price stuff, then they have themselves customers for life. So, uh, school boards are valuable customers. We will see how long Google can hold on to that.

• 58:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. I think you're right, though, on who, who wants this and what is that level of

• 58:25Andrew Manganelli?

  like market cap? And then immediately take that potentially niche segment and now split it between five different companies, all making the different ones. And it's like,

• 58:33David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 58:33Andrew Manganelli?

  You wonder how much it's worth these companies to make something like this. And I wonder why Google doesn't just make the hardware on it. But maybe since Google's not making the hardware on it, it'll have more than five colors on the bar.

• 58:45David Imel?

  Yeah. Google's notably bad at making hardware, so.

• 58:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm sure. I love you saying that.

• 58:50David Imel?

  New phones are really, really well made.

• 58:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. No, they've gotten, with enough generations of Pixel, they've gotten to a good enough Pixel. Tensor's still Tensor. And it's not amazing, but we know how Pixel phones started and how Nexus phones went and, yeah.

• 59:05David Imel?

  It surprises me that they're not making their own Pixelbook as a reference laptop.

• 59:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I, I agree.

• 59:11David Imel?

  Especially when we're this far into the Pixel phone being like their thing.

• 59:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Seems like a very different strategy. It's either, I think you either have a first party one, or you have partners making them, probably not both. Like, we'll see the Surface event, we'll, we'll talk about that maybe in a second, but the Surface event in October, I expect to only see Surface presented as a product that you can buy and then no other partners will be talked about.

• 59:34David Imel?

  Yeah, but the difference is Windows is on a bunch of computers from partners.

• 59:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Right, yeah.

• 59:39David Imel?

  Surface is the first party one.

• 59:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Right. So if you have Chrome OS or whatever we're gonna call this, and you have Acer, Asus, Dell, HP, and Lenovo all making these, I would expect either that or a Google one, but not both? It is strange, because I mean, like, Google makes their own phones, yeah, Android's on them, other companies. And, and they've done this weirdly, and this is not the best example of them succeeding, but like Assistant has been on stuff. They used to launch

• 1:00:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Google Home, but there also was like the Lenovo version and like all those other weird screened versions that came out.

• 1:00:14David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't, yeah, I'm not sure. The, the laptop they show here, a couple other quick things. It does have, this one, which we don't know which company's making it, has a fingerprint scanner in the top right corner. We've got HDMI, USB-C headphone jack on one side, one singular, um, USB-C port on the other. Not a ton of I/O, but probably still all you really need. It does look really thin. It looks sleek. The color bar is the most obvious thing and I'm really excited to see it. Although, is it mirrored? Is like, this picture on the left look like a very textured laptop top and the one on the right is smooth? Are these different laptops?

• 1:00:50David Imel?

  Funny enough, the one on the left, the one on the left looks like the bottom of the track bed, doesn't it?

• 1:00:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I think you're right.

• 1:00:54David Imel?

  We're gonna find out a lot more about these in like a week or so, so I'm very curious. Um, I think it's an interesting idea. I think Chrome OS was an interesting idea. This feels like another kind of big leap, uh, but we'll see if it makes any sense or not. Really quick, before we throw it to another trivia slash ad break, I just wanted to address the Ocarina of Time situation. Yeah.

• 1:01:18Speaker 05

  Go ahead.

• 1:01:18David Imel?

  I know that you don't care, but, uh, when they originally announced the Ocarina of Time remake, I was very skeptical because they only showed like one image of Link sleeping and it looked kind of bad. And it looked kind of like an Unreal Engine kind of situation. Since then, Nintendo has done a direct and they have shown a bunch of footage of the redone Ocarina of Time and it looks really good. And, uh, it's not just like one of those Unreal Engine 5, like we, what if Zelda was an Unreal 5? They like have kept the very cartoony style while also making it feel more sort of high quality, high fidelity. They have also changed some of the puzzles so that if you've played Ocarina of Time before,

• 1:02:02David Imel?

  you get a relatively fresh experience for some of that. They have expanded some of the areas so that there's more to explore for people that have played it before. There is way more dialogue from all of the characters so that you can have more experience. I think this is the way that you do a remake, um, especially with, you know, the graphics difference and things like that. And like making more stuff like that. I don't know. I just, I want to say I was wrong. I jumped the gun and I'm sorry.

• 1:02:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Marcus, do you know what the Ocarina is?

• 1:02:30Speaker 05

  It's a game, right?

• 1:02:31Andrew Manganelli?

  It's the instrument that wakes up Snorlax when he's moving, when he's blocking the, uh...

• 1:02:35David Imel?

  That's the poke flute. That's a flute. An Ocarina is a type of flute.

• 1:02:39Speaker 06

  Ocarina, it's the pasta that kind of looks like little ears.

• 1:02:42Speaker 05

  I was pretty sure it was a dance, but I guess.

• 1:02:44Speaker 06

  Dan, that was gonna be my joke.

• 1:02:46David Imel?

  I'm gonna jump off.

• 1:02:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Trivia.

• 1:02:48David Imel?

  Oh my god.

• 1:02:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Eh, Ocarina.

• 1:02:54Speaker 05

  All right, trivia. So when Google launched Chromebooks in 2011, there were a bunch of small Chrome booths inside like electronics stores and stuff. They were called blank zones. Do you remember what that blank is?

• 1:03:08David Imel?

  No flex.

• 1:03:09Speaker 05

  No flex zone.

• 1:03:10Andrew Manganelli?

  There's a Chrome booth.

• 1:03:12David Imel?

  A Chrome zone.

• 1:03:16David Imel?

  Okay, so this would be like in a store, like a Best Buy or something?

• 1:03:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:03:20Andrew Manganelli?

  If it's named anything other than the Chrome Zone, I will be upset.

• 1:03:24David Imel?

  I have not. What else could it be called?

• 1:03:26Speaker 05

  Dude, I would have so much more respect for Google if they called it the Chrome Zone. Welcome to the Chrome Zone.

• 1:03:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I bet chrome.zone is available for a URL.

• 1:03:34Speaker 05

  If zone is a TLD, I'm not sure.

• 1:03:36David Imel?

  Hmm. Okay. Wow. That's a great, that's a great question. I do not know this one. I can't wait to learn what it's called.

• 1:03:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:42David Imel?

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• 1:05:46Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, welcome back. Steam Frame.

• 1:05:48David Imel?

  Steam Frame.

• 1:05:49Andrew Manganelli?

  We know very little about this. Prefacing this. I put it in because it's new. There's some good reviews out. You should go watch Dave 2D or Linus's reviews on it.

• 1:05:57David Imel?

  I was gonna say, I saw that there is a Dave 2D and Linus review of something called the Steam Frame. It looked like a headset. I haven't watched them yet. Have you watched them?

• 1:06:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I watched Linus's.

• 1:06:09David Imel?

  Tell me everything.

• 1:06:10Andrew Manganelli?

  That's, I cannot tell you everything.

• 1:06:11David Imel?

  For some context, months ago, when Valve announced the Steam Machine, which is the hardware box that can play Steam games, they also announced something called the Steam Frame. It's their newest version of their VR headset. Valve, we were just speaking about first-party options versus like third-party options. Valve has often made a first-party version of hardware. They have had the Valve Index was another VR headset they released like eight years ago or so. Before that, they partnered with HTC on the original Vive. That was sort of a co-brand type thing. Now they have the Steam Frame, which is yet again sort of their example to the industry of the advancements that they've made in VR technology.

• 1:06:51David Imel?

  Because like Meta, sort of, Valve does do a bunch of R&D on virtual reality technology, and they have advanced the industry in some ways with the Steam Frame. So that's what we're gonna talk about now.

• 1:07:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, and I don't have much more to say outside that, except for, so like, prefacing is, we haven't tried it. We're not really VR people. I think we got roasted pretty hard. I don't think you were in the episode when David and I talked about the Steam Machine and the Frame coming out.

• 1:07:19David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:19Andrew Manganelli?

  We were like, we're not really that excited for the Steam Frame because we don't really play VR stuff. And a lot of people were like, how could you not be excited about that? So I'm sorry.

• 1:07:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:28Andrew Manganelli?

  To you, you will not like this, but.

• 1:07:30Speaker 05

  All seven of you. We apologize.

• 1:07:32Andrew Manganelli?

  His name is Adam. Stop messing up both of our names when you wanna go at him. It is not Andrew. That is Adam.

• 1:07:38David Imel?

  Adam.

• 1:07:38Andrew Manganelli?

  At Adam.

• 1:07:39David Imel?

  Can I ask the like, basic questions?

• 1:07:41Andrew Manganelli?

  How much does it cost?

• 1:07:42David Imel?

  Yeah, how much does it cost?

• 1:07:43Andrew Manganelli?

  $1,059 starting.

• 1:07:44David Imel?

  Okay, okay, pricey. What does it work with? Is it any PC you can plug into it?

• 1:07:48Andrew Manganelli?

  It's standalone.

• 1:07:49David Imel?

  Standalone.

• 1:07:50Andrew Manganelli?

  But also can stream from your PC, which seems to be the like, very, very good thing. Because it does something called foveated streaming, which can make a standalone, not extremely powerful headset, produce very good quality stuff coming from your machine. Because what it's doing is it's streaming where you're looking at in the highest definition, and then slowly fading out your peripherals.

• 1:08:17David Imel?

  Like foveated rendering, but just over.

• 1:08:18Andrew Manganelli?

  It is, yeah. And Linus said, extremely impressive. Like, this seems like the, the big wow moment of this, is the foveated streaming. It reminded me of when everyone talked about like, with the Vision Pro and how well the, the eye controls were.

• 1:08:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:34Andrew Manganelli?

  That it's just very good at sensing where your eyes are looking. And Linus said he was like, jolting his eyes around all over the place, trying to get it to, to like glitch up, and it would not do it.

• 1:08:43David Imel?

  Okay, so that's, I think that's pretty cool, because the, the thing that we keep seeing, and this is just my understanding of these headsets, is as you try to take, make them lighter and thinner and all this stuff, you are, you're still trying to give them a lot of compute. And so there's different solutions to that. You can like, have a wire off your head to like a box in your pocket, or you can try to put them all on the frames or whatever. And so streaming from a PC, but obviously, streaming exactly the right stuff to minimize how much processing you have to do on device, strikes me as really smart. And I did the same thing as Linus when I was testing the Vision Pro, twitching my eyes all over the place, trying to see if it worked well.

• 1:09:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Just trying, yeah.

• 1:09:17David Imel?

  You could, you could, if you went really fast, you could get it to really quickly like, catch up to you.

• 1:09:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Be confused.

• 1:09:24David Imel?

  But it's still pretty good. I think probably the biggest feature, well, one of the biggest features on this as well, is that they have a 6 GHz dongle that you can plug into your PC. And that will like, stream your games directly from your PC to the Steam Frame. And apparently, it is super, super, super high quality. It's really quick. It doesn't drop frames that much or anything like that. You can also do a thing where some of the packets get transferred over that, some of them get transferred over Wi-Fi. So you have two different channels where the data is being passed through, and it'll take the, the quickest route, depending on the packets that are moving through. So they've done a lot of networking advancements in this headset.

• 1:10:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:01David Imel?

  And they've also optimized certain games and also sort of like, ported different games. So Half-Life: Alyx can run directly on the headset now without needing a computer, which is a fairly big deal, because that means you can just walk around your apartment, playing this game.

• 1:10:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16David Imel?

  And you don't have to do the thing where you're like, hopping different places, which can make you kind of feel.

• 1:10:22Speaker 05

  I have a couple other questions. Maybe you don't have all the answers yet, but how far from your PC can you be with that like dongle?

• 1:10:28David Imel?

  I mean, as long as you're in the same room, I think it's fine.

• 1:10:30Speaker 05

  Probably, yeah, pretty close.

• 1:10:31David Imel?

  It's 6 GHz, so I don't think it's gonna go to like, the other side of your house.

• 1:10:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, and one thing they said is, if you are like, trying to do the walk-around like Vision Pro pass-through, is the pass-through cameras seem very bad and annoying.

• 1:10:42David Imel?

  Yeah. Which is kind of.

• 1:10:43Speaker 05

  They said they're black and white, too.

• 1:10:45Andrew Manganelli?

  They looked, I don't know if they were exactly black and white, but they were definitely like a grayscale or like a, I'm remembering like, purple for some reason.

• 1:10:52David Imel?

  It looked blue in the review video, but I thought they mentioned it was black and white.

• 1:10:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:10:56David Imel?

  Yeah, I feel like you can kind of quickly tell like, what they imagine the primary purpose is, based on how good the pass-through cameras are. Like, if it's stereo versus mono, if it's black and white versus color. Like, it seems like this is mostly VR and less mixed reality.

• 1:11:07Andrew Manganelli?

  This is, I think, I'm not going to say 100%, but it seems like the, like, this is the VR set to like, stream from your PC and play like, really tough games that you would normally not be able to play on like, a standalone device or something. This is the gamer's.

• 1:11:23David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, headset. I know there are probably a bunch of other ones that aren't in the mainstream that I'm not thinking about, but like, this seems like, if you really, really like Steam and Valve, this is the thing you're gonna buy. The price has so many mixed opinions that I think it is going to, the people who were excited from this are probably like, that is a price. It is not an awful price. It is not a good price. No, I don't think anyone is going to see this and not be, and not know what the Frame is and be like, wow, that's such a good price. I'm gonna hop on it. I think it's gonna be like, wow, that's too expensive. $1,000 starting is tough. Also, Linus mentioned that like, the accessory pack that gives you the, um, grips for the control, not the grips, the straps for the controller and the vertical head strap, because the battery's on the back of it.

• 1:12:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:08Andrew Manganelli?

  But everyone, they all said that the, while the weight distribution is very good for that, it needs the top strap. I think we've figured that out now. Every reviewer has realized that a top strap should be on a VR headset, and why we continue to not include that in packages seems wild to me. But that's another 60 bucks in order to buy that. And it's, they said it's just essentially a necessity. It's a couple different straps for a couple different things.

• 1:12:31David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:12:31Andrew Manganelli?

  But it is an accessory pack that does not come with the Frame itself.

• 1:12:35David Imel?

  My last question in this, I'm gonna watch the review after this, but do we have a battery life?

• 1:12:40Speaker 05

  It's like an hour if you're playing a high fidelity game.

• 1:12:43Andrew Manganelli?

  It's.

• 1:12:44Speaker 05

  It's not great.

• 1:12:45Andrew Manganelli?

  It sounded not very good.

• 1:12:46David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:12:47Andrew Manganelli?

  I think one of the things they mentioned, um, what game were they playing? One of the games they played, being a more high fidelity one, I think running on the standalone device and not the streaming, was like, 45 minutes. And that's terrible.

• 1:13:02David Imel?

  Yeah, but they are apparently, Valve has said that they are working on a way to hot swap batteries, like while you're playing the game, so that it doesn't like, die and you don't have to turn it off.

• 1:13:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, and I do think there is a way to connect to a USB-C.

• 1:13:14David Imel?

  You can.

• 1:13:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Battery bank.

• 1:13:15David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, you can connect to a battery bank, so it'll last longer.

• 1:13:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:13:18David Imel?

  Anyway, we're not really VR people, but.

• 1:13:20Speaker 05

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna watch those reviews. Those are the guys I trust, and I'm, I'm saying this without watching those videos, but I'm gonna watch Dave and Linus's reviews later.

• 1:13:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Speaking of, I don't even, headsets.

• 1:13:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Not VR headsets. Meta Connect is next week, and we may have gotten our first leak of possibly what they're going to launch.

• 1:13:39David Imel?

  September.

• 1:13:39Andrew Manganelli?

  And it seems like some sort of slim.

• 1:13:44Andrew Manganelli?

  VRAR headset, mixed reality headset? I don't know what to call it.

• 1:13:47Speaker 05

  This one's more mixed reality.

• 1:13:48Andrew Manganelli?

  It reminds me of Vive Flow, where they were like, "We make Vive the full headset."

• 1:13:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:13:54Andrew Manganelli?

  "And now let's make one that's a little less intrusive, but definitely still not something you're gonna go wear in public."

• 1:14:01Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:14:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. More glasses type, uh, for, what do you call it? Stems? What do you call the things on the side of glasses?

• 1:14:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:14:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Stems?

• 1:14:10Speaker 05

  Arms.

• 1:14:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Arms.

• 1:14:11Speaker 05

  Arms.

• 1:14:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, more glasses like arms, but still a very thick set of glass and lenses in front of you. Um, some people are comparing it to maybe like Exreal and what they've launched recently.

• 1:14:22Speaker 05

  Ah.

• 1:14:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I was wondering if this could be more like the updated version of Quest Pro, where the point of it is to be like in an office scenario with pass-through, extended monitors, 3D modeling, stuff like that, where you use it in an environment like that, but you're not gonna go walk around and get lunch.

• 1:14:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Kind of thing. Like, I, I remember when Ellis used to be locked in with the Quest Pro at his desk, but he basically had like a dumbbell attached to his forehead. And that's looked awful, where this would be a less neck hurting.

• 1:14:52Speaker 06

  Not just a dumbbell, a really hot dumbbell. Yeah.

• 1:14:58Andrew Manganelli?

  That's, that's my guess for this. I have to assume this is a productivity thing, where like, use this in your office and get those benefits without just absolutely feeling cooked all day.

• 1:15:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. I, this strikes me as something I'll be connected to a PC a lot. And, uh, that would be cool.

• 1:15:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:15Speaker 05

  I'd be interested in that.

• 1:15:16David Imel?

  But MetaConnect is in a week, so we're gonna know a lot more.

• 1:15:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, we'll know all of it next week.

• 1:15:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:21David Imel?

  Uh, the last thing we gotta talk about, and I'm just gonna let Marquez handle this.

• 1:15:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll take my thumbs off, you got this one.

• 1:15:27David Imel?

  Tesla has a, a Roadster event for October 1st.

• 1:15:31Speaker 05

  October 1st, Tesla is having a Roadster event. So we should talk about this. Um, some of you may not be old enough to remember

• 1:15:40Andrew Manganelli?

  That's insane.

• 1:15:42Speaker 05

  That in 2000, I believe, 2017.

• 1:15:45David Imel?

  2017.

• 1:15:46Speaker 05

  Uh, Tesla had a semi-event, so they were talking about this truck, which is a whole nother story. And, uh, at the very, very end, they pulled the equivalent of a one more thing. And out the back of that truck, they rolled a brand-new 2020 Tesla Roadster. At, at the time, that's what they were calling it. And this was the unveiling event for the truck, but also now for the Roadster. They give a bunch of crazy specs, 200 kilowatt-hour battery, 600-plus mile range, 8.5-second quarter-mile, 200-plus mile an hour top speed, insane specs. We'd never seen specs like this in an electric car before.

• 1:16:22David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:23Speaker 05

  Ever. 0.60 in 2 seconds flat. Never seen this before. All right? They promised that they would be selling it in 2020, and they started taking people's money. $50,000 if you wanted one, or if you wanted one of the first 1,000, give us the whole quarter million dollars right up front.

• 1:16:38Andrew Manganelli?

  How do you know those numbers, Marquez?

• 1:16:39Speaker 05

  Uh, you know, I was at home. I remember watching the event, and I thought, "This is, this is crazy. I, I don't know if I'm gonna get one, but, uh, I am impressed by the numbers. I'm gonna keep my eye on this." And then the next day, I was like, "Ah, I'll get one." And I, I did give them $50,000 in 2017. Uh, cue all the jokes about how much money you could've made if you bought Tesla stock instead, blah, blah. So, fast forward.

• 1:17:06David Imel?

  Millions.

• 1:17:06Speaker 05

  There have been many, many, uh, people attempting to follow up from that. Like, 2020 comes and goes, right? 2021 comes around, you know? Franz goes on a podcast, and someone asks him all about the new Model 3, and the new this and that. And then at the end, they go, "So what about that Roadster, huh?" And he always goes, "You know, it's the dessert. It's the icing, it's the cherry on top of the icing on top of the cake. It's just the ver, it's not necessary for the company, but when it comes out, it'll be good. It'll be even better than we announced." And then people go, all the, all the Tesla people eat it up. And then another year goes by, and no Roadster. And then another year goes by, no Roadster. And then they keep teasing it.

• 1:17:43Andrew Manganelli?

  There was like an event where you got to then another time go and drive in it, correct?

• 1:17:48Speaker 05

  No. So, I got to-

• 1:17:50Andrew Manganelli?

  You've driven in one?

• 1:17:50Speaker 05

  No. I've never ridden, sat, sat in, or driven the Roadster. I went to the Peterson Museum and got to see it sitting there in a museum.

• 1:18:00David Imel?

  The new one.

• 1:18:01Speaker 05

  The new one. Yeah. Before it even comes out.

• 1:18:03David Imel?

  In a museum.

• 1:18:04Speaker 05

  Yes. Um-

• 1:18:06David Imel?

  Which are usually designated for things from the past.

• 1:18:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. Interestingly.

• 1:18:10Andrew Manganelli?

  The museum of the future.

• 1:18:12Speaker 05

  Now, since that 2020 has come and gone, there started to be more rumors, uh, about, uh, a collaboration with SpaceX. So, obviously Elon being the connector between Tesla and SpaceX. This would be a product collaboration between Tesla and SpaceX.

• 1:18:27David Imel?

  SpaceX AI cursor.

• 1:18:28Speaker 05

  Well, SpaceX at the time was just the rocket company. And if you remember, there was lots of chatter on Twitter about cold gas thrusters. You know how when the, the capsule does re-entry and has to sort of reorient itself and like change orientation in space? Or even in the ISS, when the astronauts are like moving around, doing spacewalks, they're using cold gas thrusters, which has compressed air that'll shoot out and help you turn and move in space. That's a rocket technology that apparently you could put on a car. And so, the idea was that this electric car would be bolstered by cold gas thrusters. There would be like a four-seater version of this car, or a SpaceX version, where the backseats would just be taken up

• 1:19:12Speaker 05

  by the, the compressors and the cold gas, and the cold air. That all just gets sat in the back of the car, and you could put the thrusters on the bottom of the car, on the back of the car, on the front of the car. And it would have this crazy agility that it could do moves we've never seen cars do before because of these thrusters, because of the SpaceX collab. This was the idea. If you ask people on Twitter, this is what they're excited about. But many, many, many, many, many years have come and gone since the original announcement of the Roadster, and no one has seen anything about it. So now-

• 1:19:44Speaker 06

  Sorry, I just wanna interject.

• 1:19:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:19:45Speaker 06

  A lot of these things, I don't know if it's fair to call them rumors, because Elon just said that.

• 1:19:51Speaker 05

  Right. So, this is the thing about Tesla is, uh, a lot of this is just things Elon tweeted once.

• 1:19:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:19:58Speaker 05

  And so, we don't, this isn't things Tesla has ever confirmed. This isn't things anyone other than Franz and Elon going on podcasts and tweeting have ever like, it's never popped up anywhere. But we finally have this new thing about the Roadster, which all it is really is this website and this announcement of an event.

• 1:20:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Website?

• 1:20:17Speaker 05

  Uh, it's in, yeah, tesla.com/roadster.

• 1:20:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Teslaroadster.tesla?

• 1:20:20Speaker 05

  Tesla.com/roadster. If you go to that, you can see, uh, essentially just the teaser, which is what appears to be cold gas thrusters and the word "Roadster", and some like bar light on the back, and a countdown. And, uh, what it also, if you have, actually, uh, brighten this up, there's some text hidden in there. It says where we're going, which is, I think, a Back to the Future reference, where we're going, we don't need roads, type stuff.

• 1:20:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:49Speaker 05

  So, I don't know. I still, I famously canceled the, I, I got my $50,000 back like a year or two ago from the one that I was going to buy. But there is still one in my account from the referral award program, or whatever that is, if they choose to honor that, and I'm getting a free Roadster allegedly. Um, I still not sure how practical or legal many of these things are on the road. So, the idea, if you're a Tesla person, you're really excited, "Oh, yeah, put the cold gas thrusters facing backwards so that the car gets this burst."

• 1:21:25David Imel?

  Pushes.

• 1:21:26Speaker 05

  This push forward from the cold gas, and essentially it just goes 0.60 in under 1 second.

• 1:21:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I can't wait to see that in bumper-to-bumper traffic.

• 1:21:34Speaker 05

  Yeah. Just, I mean, okay, sports cars are not practical, we get that, but this would be like some crazy thing. Here's the other thing I forgot to mention, is lots of other EV supercars have come out since the Roadster announcement, which have like specs similar to what they announced. Like, the Lucid Air Sapphire is a 200 mile an hour EV that does 0.60 in 1.5 seconds and is a sub 9-second quarter mile, just a crazy car.

• 1:21:57David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:57Speaker 05

  So, this cold gas thruster thing is supposed to be what separates the Roadster from the pack. This makes it their amazing car. If you put the thrusters at the bottom of the car, it could jump over stuff?

• 1:22:14Andrew Manganelli?

  No, Marquez, that would be a silly thing to say.

• 1:22:16Speaker 05

  That would be a pretty crazy thing to say.

• 1:22:18David Imel?

  Doesn't like Xiaomi's car do that?

• 1:22:20Speaker 05

  Xiaomi, okay, you're thinking of the Yangwang?

• 1:22:23David Imel?

  Yangwang.

• 1:22:24Speaker 05

  Uh, U9, I think, is what it's called.

• 1:22:27David Imel?

  That jumps over stuff.

• 1:22:27Speaker 05

  Which is just through purely, I think, hydraulic suspension, will do small hops. So, if you're driving forward, it'll jump a little bit, and it can go over a pothole. But yeah, the idea is wherever you choose to put the cold gas thrusters on the car, that can give you some superpower, basically, that you couldn't pull off with just the friction of the rubber on the road.

• 1:22:46Andrew Manganelli?

  On the front.

• 1:22:47Speaker 05

  If you put it on the front, I don't know, 3G's of braking, maybe, I don't know.

• 1:22:51Andrew Manganelli?

  If a small child jumps in front, he'll just blow them away, and then you won't hit them.

• 1:22:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is, I mean, sports cars, like I said, are not practical. They are insane. Flagship cars that cost this much have insane features already. I've just, we've never seen a rocket company collab with a sports car before.

• 1:23:10Speaker 06

  A rocket, social media, AI.

• 1:23:12Speaker 05

  Now, of course, yes, they do many more things, allegedly.

• 1:23:15Andrew Manganelli?

  It's weirder to call it a collab when he owns both of them.

• 1:23:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, they're theoretically, SpaceX doesn't make cars.

• 1:23:22Speaker 06

  Also, hold on, hold on, hold on. Give Saab credit where it's due, okay?

• 1:23:26Speaker 05

  Saab?

• 1:23:27Speaker 06

  Saab also made airplanes while they were making cars.

• 1:23:31Speaker 05

  Okay, but they didn't do cold gas thrusters?

• 1:23:34Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:23:35Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:23:35Speaker 06

  That's dumb.

• 1:23:36Speaker 05

  That's like a rocket. Well, it's, it's really good for rockets, but it's obviously never been on other products before. But we've seen compressors on other products before. We've seen all sorts of other stuff. So yeah, it's, it's a, it's a crazy invitation. I guess it's just another unveiling event.

• 1:23:51Andrew Manganelli?

  So that was my question to you, because to me, following Cybercap event, which was...

• 1:23:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, the second one.

• 1:23:58Andrew Manganelli?

  The second one, where they like, they put it out there and everything blew up, like, this is gonna be a huge event, and it was like, four engineers sitting on a stage for like 10 minutes, not livestreamed. Is the potential, without Elon, is the potential of this just like, four engineers, a bunch of influencers invited, one drive each?

• 1:24:17Speaker 05

  Okay, I was guessing.

• 1:24:19Andrew Manganelli?

  No livestream. This is just another like, we're still thinking about it.

• 1:24:23Speaker 05

  So that one, I think that Cybercap event was a bit, even Tesla people would admit that was a bit of a weird event for them. This one has its own website, it's, it's, you know, public, whatever. I think there will be people already invited, etc. I'm not invited, but fine. I think, if I was guessing, it's been so long since the original Tesla Roadster 2020 unveiling event, that they can do another unveiling event, showing that it's different now. And they don't have to...

• 1:24:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, totally different car?

• 1:24:55Speaker 05

  I mean, based on this teaser, like, this looks different. I've never seen any element like that on the Roadster, which I've seen plenty of images of.

• 1:25:03Andrew Manganelli?

  It kinda looks like the N74.

• 1:25:05Speaker 05

  It kinda has like a retro future taillight bar type of vibe. Maybe that's a diffuser, I don't know. But I think they'll just come out and roll a new Roadster out, and go, this is it. And it's still not shipping, and it's still not ready, but we'll do some demo rides in the parking lot again, and it's gonna have jumping ability or something. That'll be crazy.

• 1:25:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Timeline again.

• 1:25:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think that's what's gonna happen. And I still don't know when they're gonna ship this thing, and I still don't know if they're gonna honor the free ones that they promised to many people.

• 1:25:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:25:36Speaker 05

  But yeah, maybe they'll show it jumping over stuff.

• 1:25:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:25:44Speaker 05

  How legal is that?

• 1:25:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know.

• 1:25:45Speaker 05

  Dude, does it matter anymore? I mean, it's not a real shipping product, so it's not really...

• 1:25:51Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not coming out, so it doesn't matter.

• 1:25:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, the amount of things that has, have been promised, like, I saw a lot of people being like, oh, if you referred a certain number of Teslas, you, you got guaranteed like 17% off a Roadster when it comes out. But I have no idea who to talk to about the fact that I technically have this ability.

• 1:26:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, yeah, the, I guess I've probably talked about this like years and years ago in a video, but like, there was a, an old referral program, where if you had like a link that people clicked and bought a car, then there were some rewards that the referrer would get, like a bag or a t-shirt or whatever. And then once you...

• 1:26:29Speaker 05

  Or a free Roadster.

• 1:26:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, well, no, so once you pass a certain level, every additional referral that you made was 2% off of the Roadster. So if you got three referrals, then each one of those was 2% off, so you could, you could pay for the Roadster, put your 50 grand down, but then you'd get 6% off at the end. And then some people got 20% off, and then 50% off. And if you got 50 extra referrals, that was 100% off, which my link was used that many times. I have just a Roadster free paid sitting in my account. And many people have multiple Roadsters sitting in their accounts right now. Many people have done the math on how much, how much capital this would cost Tesla to ship all these free cars, like $20 million of cars that they owe people. And I think that they could wiggle their way

• 1:27:14Andrew Manganelli?

  out of it by claiming that this is an entirely new car. That is a funny way of wiggling out.

• 1:27:19Speaker 05

  Which is crazy.

• 1:27:19David Imel?

  This is so insane.

• 1:27:20Speaker 05

  But if people, if the people that are just like ride or die Tesla are not mad about this, if they actually do try to wiggle their way out of it...

• 1:27:28Speaker 06

  It's a different car, David. It makes complete sense.

• 1:27:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, they'll, they, the ride or die Tesla people are mostly shareholders who are kinda just happy about anything that makes Tesla more money. And so if they can wiggle their way out of 20 grand of, $20 million of owed something, but oh, these entitled influencers don't need their cars, then whatever, they'll be happy about it.

• 1:27:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Changes are, the people who have all the referrals also want Tesla to do well, so they're not gonna make as big of a stink out of it, because that would be bad.

• 1:27:54Speaker 05

  So insane. But it is October 1st, and so at some point on that day, we'll, we'll see what happens.

• 1:28:01David Imel?

  Any other company lied this much, they would be destroyed.

• 1:28:05Speaker 05

  I, I will push back on that slightly. There are lots of concept cars at CES every year that are just lies.

• 1:28:11David Imel?

  Yeah, but they...

• 1:28:12Andrew Manganelli?

  They're just have worse marketing.

• 1:28:13Speaker 06

  Like $50,000 from people.

• 1:28:14Andrew Manganelli?

  They would if they could, no? Faraday?

• 1:28:16Speaker 05

  The Sony Affila took money, right?

• 1:28:19David Imel?

  Did they take pre-orders?

• 1:28:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't remember that Faraday took money, right?

• 1:28:22Speaker 05

  Faraday, oh god, the whole, yeah. Faraday took a lot of money as well.

• 1:28:25David Imel?

  And what happened?

• 1:28:26Andrew Manganelli?

  They got destroyed.

• 1:28:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, legally, they got, they got crime and punishment.

• 1:28:30Andrew Manganelli?

  They're just worse at marketing.

• 1:28:33Speaker 05

  Well, it's the difference between a company that's never shipped anything versus a company that has shipped some stuff before.

• 1:28:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:28:40Speaker 05

  So, yeah, trust has to be earned. Tesla has earned a lot of trust from a lot of people from the other stuff they've shipped, which has sort of masked how massive of a myth the Roadster was a decade ago.

• 1:28:52David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:53David Imel?

  All right.

• 1:28:54Speaker 05

  So yeah, October 1st. October, Techtober is probably like a nice continuation of September.

• 1:28:59Andrew Manganelli?

  I think we don't even get a livestream for this. I think it's like the Cybercap event.

• 1:29:02Speaker 05

  There's a literal countdown on their website. There's definitely gonna be something.

• 1:29:05Andrew Manganelli?

  You think?

• 1:29:06David Imel?

  Yeah, but remember what happened.

• 1:29:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like Cybercap felt like it was posted everywhere, like, we can't wait till the Cybercap event.

• 1:29:11Speaker 05

  But that wasn't, they didn't have a website. I would bet anything this is livestreamed.

• 1:29:15Speaker 06

  They, they haven't said like explicitly, we're doing a livestream, but...

• 1:29:20Speaker 05

  Having a website with a countdown kind of implies that something happened at zero.

• 1:29:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't remember if there was.

• 1:29:24Speaker 06

  And God King Elon said that, I'm glad, he said something along the lines of like, being glad that people will be there in person, because everyone who's watching online will think it's AI, not real.

• 1:29:36Andrew Manganelli?

  He said that.

• 1:29:37Speaker 06

  It's like sort of implied people will be able to watch it live, but also, like, who knows, you know, here I am believing something Elon Musk is saying, so.

• 1:29:45Speaker 05

  I just can't think of anything else that would happen at zero on a dedicated website with a countdown.

• 1:29:50Speaker 06

  A YouTube premiere.

• 1:29:52Speaker 05

  Of a video of a...

• 1:29:54Andrew Manganelli?

  It'll still be a video. I don't even, like, my thought was, is it even gonna be that? Because Cybercap was just nothing. It happened, like, do you remember Marques was like, I'm gonna watch it, and then Jake Notes, and then he just wrote, it's not here, it's nowhere. And all, and like, half of Twitter was like, I wanted to see this. It's just nothing.

• 1:30:10Speaker 06

  And, and weren't the people like NDA'd, like, we, we can't know anything?

• 1:30:13Speaker 05

  The people there had to wait a couple hours.

• 1:30:15Andrew Manganelli?

  They had an embargo, yeah.

• 1:30:16Speaker 06

  Okay, yeah. What a freaking... Do you guys think, hmm, how do I phrase this? Do you guys think it will have weapons?

• 1:30:26Speaker 05

  What do you mean by weapons?

• 1:30:28Speaker 06

  Well, one of the only things we know about the Tesla Roadster is, and this isn't an exact quote, but something along the lines of, if you took all the technology in every single James Bond car and combined them, it would not be as cool as this vehicle.

• 1:30:43Andrew Manganelli?

  They say that?

• 1:30:44Speaker 06

  Elon said that on Joe Rogan last year.

• 1:30:47David Imel?

  That's just...

• 1:30:47Speaker 05

  Don't know what that means.

• 1:30:49Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a stupid comparison, because yeah, half the stuff on James Bond is like, our weapons. Yeah, it's...

• 1:30:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't think it'll have weapons. I think it'll be an electric sports car. It'll probably be like a smaller plaid with like, the similar specs, and then like this crazy SpaceX thing.

• 1:31:09Speaker 06

  And...

• 1:31:10Andrew Manganelli?

  It's just a plaid with gold paint on the wheels?

• 1:31:12Speaker 06

  The SpaceX thing can't be legal on the road, right? Like, that has to be a track-only version.

• 1:31:16Speaker 05

  It seems, that, that is another possible thing, is track-only or whatever. I think it'll be like one of those, it's, it's like, there's no legislation that specifically says you can't do this, but that's...

• 1:31:28Speaker 06

  No, there has to be somewhere. There's no way. There's just like no legislation.

• 1:31:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Some sort of like propulsion outside of...

• 1:31:33Speaker 05

  Tech goes beyond what legislation is, is ready for all the time, so I'm not sure.

• 1:31:38Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:31:38Speaker 05

  I would look for it, but I'm not sure there's a, no rockets allowed on your car.

• 1:31:42Speaker 06

  Even if it's not no rockets, it's like, it's like, it's insane.

• 1:31:45Speaker 05

  There's noise, there's noise ordinances, there is emission standards, there's rules.

• 1:31:50Speaker 06

  How could this work? Like, what if you do it too close to someone, and you freeze their bumper? What if you get lightly bumped, and this hyper-pressurized gas container in your car?

• 1:32:00Speaker 05

  There are lots of things like that with regular cars now, that seem just as crazy. Like, most, most gas cars are like, you know, if you stand right behind a Corvette and rev it, like, you're gonna burn your legs.

• 1:32:13Speaker 06

  Oh, I, I know. There's a video of me getting blasted in the face by the Ferrari Purosangue when I had it.

• 1:32:19Andrew Manganelli?

  NOS is not legal on streets.

• 1:32:23David Imel?

  Am I because of the explosive part?

• 1:32:24Speaker 05

  What is NOS?

• 1:32:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Nitrous oxide. Like, you know in Fast and the Furious, when they like hit the NOS?

• 1:32:30Speaker 06

  And then the red button, yeah.

• 1:32:31Speaker 05

  I feel like actively changing your fuel mix, it's like a little more explosive.

• 1:32:36Speaker 05

  That's, but yeah, like, there, there are rules, I just don't know how many of them pertain directly to compressed air.

• 1:32:42Speaker 06

  We need like a space lawyer, or a...

• 1:32:44Speaker 05

  Car lawyer.

• 1:32:45David Imel?

  We need the NTSB.

• 1:32:46Speaker 05

  There is no space law, remember that.

• 1:32:47David Imel?

  Yeah. We had a whole episode about that.

• 1:32:50Speaker 05

  If you work for NTSB and already know of what law prevents some of this, I already know that there's like a render of like the license plate flipping down. I know that that's illegal, so that one, it won't be behind the license plate. But if you work in national highway transportation, whatever, please tell me what other laws that we should know about.

• 1:33:09David Imel?

  There are laws. There's gotta be laws.

• 1:33:13Speaker 05

  All right, with that...

• 1:33:15Andrew Manganelli?

  We ready to type trivia?

• 1:33:17Speaker 05

  Oh, it's so hot in here. I'm just kidding.

• 1:33:20Andrew Manganelli?

  It's actually, it's very nice in here.

• 1:33:21Speaker 02

  Do I get to watch other people type before I type? That would be nice.

• 1:33:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:33:25Speaker 05

  Tin type.

• 1:33:26Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  Oh, no. Okay.

• 1:33:29Speaker 06

  Uh, Marques Brownlee, you have in front of you a Google Notes app. I'm not sure which one. I didn't even know how to open. Marques Brownlee, you have in front of you a instance of Google Keep and the eight Vim keyboard. Uh, I would like you to type, uh, like and subscribe before the trivia music ends. I believe that gives you 90 seconds.

• 1:33:49Speaker 05

  However, far I get, I should stop at the end.

• 1:33:51Speaker 06

  Uh, yes, has ever, has ever, yeah, yeah. Stop with the end of the music. If you make it all the way through.

• 1:33:56Speaker 05

  Okay, I'm, I'm ready. I'm holding the phone.

• 1:33:59Speaker 06

  Ready?

• 1:34:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:34:00Speaker 06

  Set, go.

• 1:34:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm trying to not look at his fingers, so it doesn't feel like I'm cheating. But I do want to look at his face. He's locked in.

• 1:34:12Speaker 06

  Again, we're looking for like and subscribe.

• 1:34:14Andrew Manganelli?

  You know someone's having a hard time when their eyes are flickering like up and down, up and down, up and down. It's like when Adam types on a keyboard.

• 1:34:19Speaker 06

  No commentary from Marquez.

• 1:34:21Speaker 05

  I have not gotten a single letter.

• 1:34:28Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:34:29Speaker 06

  All right, Marquez.

• 1:34:30Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:34:31Speaker 06

  How far did you get?

• 1:34:32Speaker 02

  I have typed absolutely nothing.

• 1:34:34Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:34:35Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:34:36Speaker 02

  I did several times close and open the keyboard by accident, though.

• 1:34:39Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:34:40Speaker 02

  So that's something. I didn't make zero progress.

• 1:34:42Speaker 06

  Andrew, are you ready?

• 1:34:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I need to make sure that I'm able to type. Okay. I see the cursor. I just want to make sure that Marquez wasn't on like some.

• 1:34:50Speaker 05

  No, yeah, I definitely did something.

• 1:34:51Speaker 06

  Ready to go?

• 1:34:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 1:34:53Speaker 06

  All right, I'm starting the clock. Three, or excuse me, ready, set, go.

• 1:35:02Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 1:35:06Speaker 05

  No, yes, yes.

• 1:35:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I lost it.

• 1:35:10Speaker 06

  What, what do you mean you lost it?

• 1:35:12Andrew Manganelli?

  I have a different thing. Okay, there we go. I'm back.

• 1:35:16Speaker 06

  All you need is one letter to put you in the lead. Can you input a character on the eight Vim keyboard?

• 1:35:23Speaker 05

  I say we all tie it zero.

• 1:35:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I got absolutely nothing.

• 1:35:26Speaker 06

  Absolutely nothing. Okay, David. If you can type the letter L on this keyboard, you will get the trivia point this week.

• 1:35:34Speaker 05

  No other letter.

• 1:35:35Andrew Manganelli?

  I felt some haptic feedback and I thought I was cooking right off the bat and then it just was like, no.

• 1:35:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, I lifted my thumb and it was there. Okay, ready?

• 1:35:42Speaker 06

  This could have been how we all typed, but we decided not to.

• 1:35:45Speaker 05

  Well, I don't know how to use this, but let me know when I start.

• 1:35:47Speaker 06

  Ready, set, go.

• 1:35:50Speaker 05

  Oh, that didn't work. Uh, ooh.

• 1:35:55Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:35:57Speaker 05

  Oh. What? Why didn't it?

• 1:35:59Speaker 06

  How's it going there, David?

• 1:36:00Speaker 05

  Why didn't it add it?

• 1:36:01Speaker 02

  This needs to be in the.

• 1:36:02Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 1:36:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Funny for audio listeners, L I K E are all on the same stem, so it seems very obvious.

• 1:36:09Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:36:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Yet none of us have gotten a single character.

• 1:36:13Speaker 05

  Fifty.

• 1:36:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh. Oh, that's because you just accidentally brought up the number of keyboard and typed fifty.

• 1:36:19Speaker 05

  Did that count?

• 1:36:20Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:36:21Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:36:21Speaker 06

  I was looking for the letter L, David. All right, um. Who would like to get, be the phone holder when I teach you how to use this?

• 1:36:29Speaker 05

  I'll try it. I want to try it.

• 1:36:30Speaker 02

  Do it to Marquez.

• 1:36:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, let's, how, so how does it work?

• 1:36:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, can I say, I, I, we all assume swipe just between it like regular swipe, right? We all tried to do that.

• 1:36:40Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:36:41Andrew Manganelli?

  There's this circle in the middle, so I was like, oh, maybe I end the word at the circle as like a enter.

• 1:36:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, try that, try that.

• 1:36:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:49Speaker 06

  You're close, though. So the way this works is you have the circle in the center, then four quadrants around, right?

• 1:36:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:36:55Speaker 06

  So you can see each quadrant has four letters on its left edge and four letters on its right edge.

• 1:37:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:37:01Speaker 06

  You start with your thumb in the center circle.

• 1:37:04Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:37:04Speaker 06

  You swipe into the quadrant that you would like, that the letter of your choice is. And then you go around the circle the number of times for that letter. So if the second letter is L.

• 1:37:17Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:37:17Speaker 06

  Up, one, two quadrants, and then you go back to the circle and that inputs a character.

• 1:37:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, not like, not two full times around a circle, two sections. I got, can I try?

• 1:37:30Speaker 05

  Did you, was this just like an experiment to see if they could and not something that people actually thought would be?

• 1:37:37Speaker 06

  For is innovation. Was this fun?

• 1:37:39Andrew Manganelli?

  It was awful.

• 1:37:40Speaker 06

  Everyone let me know in the comments if you had fun, if we should do more trivia challenges.

• 1:37:44Speaker 05

  No one got any points? I hate that.

• 1:37:46Andrew Manganelli?

  This is the worst experience I've ever had in my entire life.

• 1:37:50Speaker 06

  Yay.

• 1:37:51Andrew Manganelli?

  And that will only be changed on October 1st.

• 1:37:54Speaker 02

  All right, second question. No points awarded on that challenge.

• 1:37:57Speaker 05

  Thank God.

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  Uh, so when Google launched Chromebooks in 2011, there were some small Chrome booths and stores inside of electronic stores. Quick clarification, the ones that were in the Best Buys were not these. These were in a couple of stores in London. But doesn't matter. What's the name of these stores?

• 1:38:15Speaker 05

  But it was Zone, right?

• 1:38:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was blank Zone.

• 1:38:19Speaker 05

  Was it just Chromebooks or other stuff?

• 1:38:20Speaker 02

  It was Chromebooks. It was, wait one second, let me pull it up. Um.

• 1:38:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Are you gonna start the trivia music over when you say the new things?

• 1:38:30Speaker 02

  No, they were only Chromebooks.

• 1:38:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Only Chromebooks.

• 1:38:32Speaker 02

  Only Chromebooks.

• 1:38:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:38:33Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:38:36Speaker 05

  I can't think of anything.

• 1:38:39Speaker 06

  Yes, you can.

• 1:38:39Speaker 05

  We're all guessing, right?

• 1:38:41Andrew Manganelli?

  We're all guessing.

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  Everyone's guessing. Flip 'em and read, what do you got?

• 1:38:45Speaker 05

  I wrote Chromezone.

• 1:38:46Andrew Manganelli?

  I also wrote Chromezone.

• 1:38:48Speaker 05

  Oh, boy.

• 1:38:48Andrew Manganelli?

  What'd you write, Marquez?

• 1:38:49Speaker 05

  G-zone.

• 1:38:50Speaker 02

  That's.

• 1:38:52Speaker 05

  Please don't be Chromezone, please.

• 1:38:53Speaker 02

  It was Chromezone.

• 1:38:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I could just, I can tell Adam's like, I'm laughing to play a long face. And he, that's what he was doing the entire time we were joking about Chromezone.

• 1:39:05Speaker 05

  I would have seen it. Dude, we used to have.

• 1:39:08Andrew Manganelli?

  On the Apple campus, you would have had a direct sightline.

• 1:39:10Speaker 05

  We used to have whimsy.

• 1:39:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Chromezone's awesome.

• 1:39:12Speaker 05

  Whoever named that is a king.

• 1:39:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, no trivia points for me once again. Um, but that's okay. I'm not that far behind.

• 1:39:21Speaker 06

  You have two.

• 1:39:22Speaker 05

  You did double your points that one.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  David has eleven.

• 1:39:24Andrew Manganelli?

  He has eleven?

• 1:39:26Speaker 06

  Andrew has six.

• 1:39:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 1:39:28Speaker 06

  David.

• 1:39:29Andrew Manganelli?

  This might be the farthest spread we've ever had.

• 1:39:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'll just get railed and [bleep] trivia extravaganza again.

• 1:39:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Can we get tech trivia, please?

• 1:39:38Speaker 06

  I'm out of questions. I've tried, I've tried.

• 1:39:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I liked the eight Vim thing. It was just very hard.

• 1:39:44Speaker 05

  Chromezone is a single letter.

• 1:39:46Speaker 06

  I'm sorry, Marquez. I've been doing the podcast for almost four years now. I genuinely feel like I'm running out of questions.

• 1:39:51Speaker 05

  You should just, just ask me about like old YouTube features or something, or like get so many points.

• 1:39:56Speaker 02

  The store that Google used to sell Chromebooks in.

• 1:40:01Speaker 05

  Did Google's?

• 1:40:02Speaker 02

  Fast buy.

• 1:40:03Andrew Manganelli?

  The Chromezone.

• 1:40:04Speaker 06

  The Chrome.

• 1:40:06Speaker 05

  I was wrong again. That was a layup. That was a layup. I should have got that. But anyway, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. And of course, it's only halfway through TechTember, so get subscribed if you haven't already to see and be a part of the rest of this very exciting month and also Techtober. See you soon. Peace.

• 1:40:22Andrew Manganelli?

  We're formed by Adam, Melina, and Elizabeth, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our show music is created by me, so.

• 1:40:27Speaker 05

  Bingo.

• 1:40:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Bingo.

• 1:40:40Speaker 02

  Wake me up when TechTember ends.

• 1:40:45Speaker 05

  Bingo.

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