WTF Happened in 2024? - Waveform Rewind

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about the Google XR headset, Nintendo Switch 2 rumors, and even Bluesky verification before getting into some AI videos that Marques got using Google Veo 2. After that, we take a look back at some of our predictions from last year to see if anyone got it right before making some predictions for what we think is going to happen in 2025. Of course, we wrap it all up with trivia in the end. Enjoy! Links: Google XR announcement Flipboard Surf Verge - The Nintendo Switch 2 and its dock dbrand Switch 2 Voxon Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

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• 1:17David Imel?

  All of the like, AI, big stuff is just going to like, your expectations need to lower, and then that'll be where it's at, in your phone. It'll be like, RIP Google Assistant.

• 1:33David Imel?

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• 1:40Speaker 01

  Yo, what's good, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

• 1:46David Imel?

  I'm Andrew. And I'm David.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  We're all currently wearing ugly Christmas sweaters, and this is also our last episode of the year. Happy holidays, happy new year. Yes, it means we're taking two weeks off. It also means that this is the first weeks that we are taking off. In five years of weekly episodes of this podcast.

• 2:07Andrew Manganelli?

  It hasn't all been weekly, but these are the first two scheduled episodes we're missing.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Which is, you know, it's fun to actually take a little time off and we're gonna, we're gonna enjoy that a little bit. And I hope you guys do too, but this is the last episode of the year, which means we have all sorts of end of the year stuff to talk about, which is great. And we also have some late 2024, but also early 2025 news. We can just jump right into it. We have.

• 2:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Let's jump into the news, the news first, then we'll get into kind of our like waveform rewind for 2024.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  Okay, so 2025, January, what usually happens? We get a Samsung event. We usually get the Galaxy S flagships, the S Ultra and the S Plus and the S. It's gonna happen again. Shocker. I mean, CES is the other thing and that's also gonna happen again. Cool.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  So January 22nd is the leaked date for unpacked for when we are expecting not just the Galaxy S series, but also potentially some version of maybe a preview of this XR headset they've been working on.

• 3:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  There is this preview that they gave a few people.

• 3:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  So it's not on video, but they allowed some people to check it out, test it, use it for a few minutes and then write about it and or make videos describing it. So there's no videos of this, but there are lots of descriptions of it floating around.

• 3:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Did we even talk about that headset last week?

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Not really.

• 3:27Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Okay, so for those that don't know, this is Samsung's Project Muhan XR headset.

• 3:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  That won't be the final name.

• 3:34Andrew Manganelli?

  No. Do you know what that means?

• 3:37Speaker 01

  It's like Mudang.

• 3:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Infinity in Korean, I believe.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Oh, Infinity.

• 3:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Bar.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Interesting. It's the introduction of Android XR, which is Google saying, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, to Vision Pro.

• 3:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Vision OS?

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Uh, Vision OS, whether or not that actually plays out, who knows?

• 3:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Whether they should be saying, oh my God, oh my God, to Vision Pro is another.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. The, the Samsung headset looks a lot like a Vision Pro, though.

• 4:03Andrew Manganelli?

  That's what we've heard. Yeah.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Again, we haven't seen it.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  There's photos.

• 4:06Andrew Manganelli?

  But it's this. Well, yeah, I have not seen it.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Google officially released photos.

• 4:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought those are renders based on descriptions.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  I don't think so. I think Google made a blog.

• 4:14Andrew Manganelli?

  That's it? I probably saw this and just thought it was the.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, okay. That's actually it.

• 4:19David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Okay, so yeah, people were saying it was heavily inspired by Vision Pro. I think the reason you see that is because most headsets don't have glass on the outside, and this one does. I don't know if there's any display facing outwards, probably not. But it looks like a Vision Pro because the Vision Pro is the only other one that has glass on the outside.

• 4:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 4:35Andrew Manganelli?

  It's similar, like, colors.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Plastic on the outside of, like, the Quest, but I think that's a distinguishing feature. Otherwise, yeah, pretty similar. Pretty clean design. Looks fine.

• 4:45David Imel?

  The UI looks very similar to Vision Pro.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:48David Imel?

  So, it's, but with, like, kind of a little Googly take with more round corners and stuff like that. Um, less translucent stuff. So, interesting. I feel like every, like, five or six years, we get an XR, uh, push. I remember, I'm old enough to remember, back in 2015, when Microsoft thought that XR was gonna be the next big thing. And Lenovo, and HP, and Dell, and Compaq, all made headsets for, like, Windows 3D Paint and, and stuff like that.

• 5:19Andrew Manganelli?

  The good stuff.

• 5:19David Imel?

  Quickly, uh, got rid of that, so.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  This one's for real this time.

• 5:24David Imel?

  Final, final, dot.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Export this one.

• 5:27David Imel?

  Ship this one dot PDF.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  December 18th dot JPG.

• 5:31David Imel?

  Yeah. Uh, yeah, so we'll probably hear more about that, and hopefully, a little bit more of Google's detailed plans for Android XR, considering now Samsung events are kind of Google events, and Google events are kind of Samsung events.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's something to that.

• 5:44Andrew Manganelli?

  When, when this says unveiled previewed at Unpacked on January 22nd, do we think there's gonna be a significant portion, or do we think this is of the event, or is this gonna be the, um, Galaxy Home?

• 5:55David Imel?

  It de-

• 5:56Andrew Manganelli?

  End of the thing, and then never see it again?

• 5:58David Imel?

  It depends if they're actually planning on releasing this. But I guess they were also planning on releasing the Galaxy Home, and then never did.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  But they do have the Home Mini in Korea. We don't talk about that?

• 6:07David Imel?

  They did.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, we don't talk about that.

• 6:09Andrew Manganelli?

  All I want for Christmas. All I want for Christmas is the original Galaxy Home.

• 6:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  I think if they're saying it's going to be a 2025 launch, then this is a preview to get people hyped about it coming out in a few months, maybe? Something like that?

• 6:23David Imel?

  I could see that.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  That'd be cool.

• 6:25David Imel?

  Yeah. But the, the thing we definitely want the most out of this event is G2, so.

• 6:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Which I read something-

• 6:31Speaker 01

  G2?

• 6:32David Imel?

  G2. Not on the headset.

• 6:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Where?

• 6:37David Imel?

  Yes, slap your head. No, on the phones.

• 6:40Andrew Manganelli?

  So I read something, I don't remember exactly who I read it from, but remember, was it last week or the week before? We said that like, I think Ice Universe said that there was gonna be Cheeto on it, but it was based off of a tweet someone else put. And we said, based on how there's properly naming Cheeto, it should have the magnets.

• 6:59David Imel?

  Right.

• 7:00Andrew Manganelli?

  I read a tweet recently that's saying it has Cheeto, but not the magnets. So that's like the Cheeto.

• 7:06David Imel?

  The guy from the Wireless Power Consortium said, you cannot call it Cheeto without the magnet.

• 7:11Andrew Manganelli?

  It's.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  I think that's gonna turn out to not be true. I think companies are gonna call things Cheeto without the magnets.

• 7:17David Imel?

  I feel like I should just reach out to them again.

• 7:19Andrew Manganelli?

  If they call it Cheeto and don't put the Cheeto branding on it, it seems like that's what we were at, right? The guy from the, the guy was saying that if it has the Cheeto branding, it has to be the magnet protocol.

• 7:32David Imel?

  Right.

• 7:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Maybe companies are just saying it's like the, they're gonna say it's Cheeto compatible.

• 7:39Andrew Manganelli?

  They're gonna say it, they're gonna have a slide and it's gonna have a little bullet point.

• 7:41David Imel?

  But also Samsung has a history of being like one of the first ones to use a more expensive like protocol or product, right? Cause they introduced the, um, not the in-screen fingerprint reader with ultrasonic. They were the first ones to do that in the US at least, in a phone with the Galaxy S10. And nobody else used that for a very long time.

• 8:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 8:06David Imel?

  So maybe they'd be willing to spend the extra money to license it for Cheeto officially?

• 8:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 8:12David Imel?

  I, I would love it. I mean, I, the magnet part is what is exciting.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Well, think about this, they could sell more, they can sell more expensive first party chargers that way too.

• 8:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. So apparently this is from ChunVN8888, saying that it won't be proper Cheeto support, explaining that they're without the magnets essentially. So take that as you will. The original report was us completely speculating on it anyways.

• 8:35David Imel?

  Alright, well.

• 8:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Let's, let's make our first prediction of 2025 right here.

• 8:39David Imel?

  Okay.

• 8:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Will the S25 have Cheeto with magnets?

• 8:42David Imel?

  Yes. No.

• 8:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm gonna say yes, but that is the most optimistic yes I could possibly have out there. What about you two?

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Nay.

• 8:53David Imel?

  Wow, okay.

• 8:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Tiebreaker.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  I, I have no, I have no idea. I don't, I don't know. How am I supposed to know?

• 9:00Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a prediction.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  It's gonna be a shot in the dark.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 9:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Same maybe.

• 9:05Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 9:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 9:07David Imel?

  Hey.

• 9:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Heard it here first. The S25 will have magnets.

• 9:11David Imel?

  It's official.

• 9:11Speaker 04

  Wait, why would it not have magnets?

• 9:13David Imel?

  No one's done it yet. Because no.

• 9:15Andrew Manganelli?

  No, uh.

• 9:16David Imel?

  Well.

• 9:16Andrew Manganelli?

  What's that phone?

• 9:17David Imel?

  Technically, the HMD Skyline did it.

• 9:21Andrew Manganelli?

  That sounds like a car.

• 9:22David Imel?

  Only phone to have G2, but it's a very bad phone overall.

• 9:25Speaker 04

  But it's repairable.

• 9:26David Imel?

  It is repairable.

• 9:27Andrew Manganelli?

  And it's not a track car.

• 9:29David Imel?

  That's also true. Apparently, the magnets in that phone are really weak.

• 9:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, no.

• 9:34David Imel?

  It barely, it barely sticks to a lot of.

• 9:37Speaker 04

  Can't you just get like a sticker?

• 9:39David Imel?

  Yes.

• 9:40Andrew Manganelli?

  It's hard to do with cases and stuff like that and people who want their phone without a case.

• 9:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 9:44Andrew Manganelli?

  That's.

• 9:45David Imel?

  No case.

• 9:46Andrew Manganelli?

  But it stinks holding that. I've had it before on my Zen phone. It's annoying to just have this like protruding

• 9:52David Imel?

  Mm hmm.

• 9:52Andrew Manganelli?

  on the back. What's worse? No magnets or weak magnets?

• 9:57David Imel?

  What's worse?

• 9:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Weak magnets.

• 9:58David Imel?

  Cause I'd rather just.

• 9:59Andrew Manganelli?

  What's worse?

• 10:00David Imel?

  No Wi-Fi or weak Wi-Fi?

• 10:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I think it's the same question.

• 10:03David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, you still pay for it on the plane, don't you?

• 10:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Unfortunately, yes. Put myself through that torture and I know it's gonna suck every time and I pay the eight dollars anyway.

• 10:12Speaker 04

  What's worse? Weak Wi-Fi or having eight dollars?

• 10:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Give me the Wi-Fi.

• 10:18David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna see probably S25, S25 Ultra, S25 Plus. You know, with S25 Ultra being a successor to the phone of the year. It could get even better with the Snapdragon 8 Elite.

• 10:32Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 10:32David Imel?

  Probably with a bigger battery. Probably with an improved display. Like this is probably gonna be a really good phone again. That's a super cold take. Well, hopefully they don't, they don't pull an S20 Ultra again and just make it bad.

• 10:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, remember that. What a bummer.

• 10:49David Imel?

  That was bad.

• 10:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I throw one more thing in here about the Unpacked event?

• 10:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 10:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Last year, Samsung Unpacked was January 17th. This year, it's the 22nd. Every year, it feels like we've moved back and back and back to the point where I was like, when are we getting the December Samsung event? I'd prefer, can we get this back in February? For some reason, February felt nice of like, let's just chill in January.

• 11:12David Imel?

  It was Samsung's month.

• 11:13Andrew Manganelli?

  It did, like, that's, yeah, I don't know.

• 11:15David Imel?

  Sony also did something in February.

• 11:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, yeah, but then it released in November.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  They would announce the phone and then they'd just go silent for six months.

• 11:23David Imel?

  Six months.

• 11:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Thank you, Samsung. Give us some breathing room in the new year so we can appreciate the last year. Make our steps forward and then start reporting.

• 11:32David Imel?

  And let Dua Lipa interview Tim Cook?

• 11:35Speaker 01

  The schedule is always, uh, new year, everyone gets back, immediately CES, go get sick, come back, and then you have a break. And it's like Samsung is pinched into that more and more.

• 11:48David Imel?

  Yeah, they're like, nah.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  Like, yeah, no, go straight from CES to R and B.

• 11:52David Imel?

  Okay, so some additional news that was going, that is going to happen in 2025. We have alleged, uh, renders of the actual Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, Thank You Algorithm.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Is that for the transcript to just max SEO?

• 12:09David Imel?

  Yes.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:11David Imel?

  Courtesy of Dbrand. So Adam at Dbrand says that he has official dimensions, and so he built out, uh, some...

• 12:20Andrew Manganelli?

  It was like a 3D render that The Verge put. It is a 3D render with what?

• 12:25David Imel?

  With the case on it.

• 12:26Andrew Manganelli?

  The case that Dbrand would be making on it.

• 12:28David Imel?

  But it's translucent, so you can kind of see through.

• 12:30Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a very funny render. I'm surprised Dbrand's doing this, and I'm also not surprised Dbrand's doing this. It's, it's like one of those things, Dbrand seems to like to poke the big console bear that did it with Sony.

• 12:43David Imel?

  I always thought that the way these things worked were that they were just under NDA, but it seems like they just have access to things that they don't have to sign NDAs for.

• 12:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know. We don't ask Dbrand how they get access to things.

• 12:55David Imel?

  That's true. That's true.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  You know, I'll put it this way, when you are an official accessory supporter, you get to see things ahead of time.

• 13:04David Imel?

  Yeah, but like, you're not supposed to.

• 13:06Speaker 01

  Then they just leaked that to The Verge.

• 13:08David Imel?

  That's bold. That's bold. That's for sure bold.

• 13:11Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a, it's a good point, though, because accessory makers don't just get, you know, like, package widths of like, height, length.

• 13:19David Imel?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 13:20Andrew Manganelli?

  They know exactly, everything has to fit perfectly. They know, like... Perfectly what I think is going to look like essentially. Maybe not, they don't know the specs of it because that doesn't matter, but like every accessory manufacturer you know, knows what all of these devices are.

• 13:34David Imel?

  That's how they have their case on the shelf when it's announced.

• 13:37Andrew Manganelli?

  When it's launched, yeah.

• 13:38David Imel?

  So the additions to the Switch 2 seem to be that it's quite a bit bigger than the last Switch. There's an additional button on one of the Joy-Cons, which is very interesting.

• 13:51Andrew Manganelli?

  On the Joy-... Oh, oh, sorry, sorry. I'm thinking the stick, yeah.

• 13:54David Imel?

  Yeah, below the home button.

• 13:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 13:57David Imel?

  And then there's also an additional USB-C port on the top, thank god.

• 14:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, oh, yeah.

• 14:03David Imel?

  The biggest issue prior was like, they assumed that you were going to charge it while docked, but a whole nother thing was that you could play it with the kickstand open and the Joy-Cons in your hand. But the problem with that is if it was low battery or dead, you had to like MacGyver a USB-C cable underneath it. And it was just horrible.

• 14:21Andrew Manganelli?

  So bad. It was a huge design flaw.

• 14:23David Imel?

  Yeah, very massive design flaw. They did say that they were going to officially announce the Switch 2 before April 2025. Nintendo said that. So, earlier this year. So we're hoping that we get something in the next four months or so, but...

• 14:38Andrew Manganelli?

  March 31st.

• 14:40David Imel?

  Yeah. And I imagine it'll come out holiday 2025.

• 14:44Andrew Manganelli?

  April 1st.

• 14:46David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, just, it mostly looks bigger. It will probably be faster. It will probably have stuff.

• 14:54Andrew Manganelli?

  The case looks sweet too, just because it's like low profile. Also, we're partnered with D-Brands, so take that with a grain of salt, but it looks like a sweet case.

• 15:03David Imel?

  Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2. Okay, we can move on now. Uh, last little bit of stuff that I wanted to just like slide in here because it's the very end of the year. Some Fediverse news.

• 15:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Do it!

• 15:16David Imel?

  Thank you, Alice.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Some Fediverse news.

• 15:18David Imel?

  Some Fediverse news.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  What's going on in the Fediverse?

• 15:20David Imel?

  It's more fun than the WordPress drama for me to talk about.

• 15:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Some people would disagree with that.

• 15:26David Imel?

  That's true, that's true. Okay. Um, so some stuff was happening last week with Blue Sky where people were basically parking on domain names. Because if you remember, Blue Sky's way of like verifying accounts was that if you owned your domain, you could change your handle to that domain and that was like a way for people to be like, "This is the real me." The problem is, they got a lot of normal people on Blue Sky and that's a very engineering mind-focused way to verify people. Because most people do not own their own domain, right? So apparently, people had been parking on domains of like famous authors and other people that weren't...

• 16:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Like League of Legos?

• 16:08David Imel?

  That's not owned by anybody but me. It's Legoflegos.

• 16:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, Flegos, man.

• 16:14David Imel?

  Oh, Flegos. Uh, and so they're actively working on figuring out another way to do verification. I still think it's cool that they're allowing you to, you know, set your domain as your handle. Uh, but I think that they're gonna need to figure out some other ways to do it.

• 16:29Andrew Manganelli?

  I think you should need to have a personal video call with the creator of Blue Sky in order to get verified.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  Shouldn't have any issues at all.

• 16:39David Imel?

  It's a little shout out to T2.

• 16:42Andrew Manganelli?

  That's what T2 was doing.

• 16:44David Imel?

  Yeah. You have to schedule a call with them and then they would verify you.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  Actually?

• 16:48David Imel?

  Uh-huh. Wow.

• 16:49Andrew Manganelli?

  In their defense, I don't think they had anything in place at the time, so this was what they...

• 16:55David Imel?

  They were new.

• 16:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it was like week two.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  If I was that executive, my entire job would be figuring out how to stop doing these calls. Like, "I need to figure out a way to verify people."

• 17:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 17:05David Imel?

  Okay.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, that happened, I guess.

• 17:06David Imel?

  Yeah, so, so Blue Sky has mentioned that they are actively looking into ways to verify people. They are also actively looking into a potential subs- like Twitter Blue kinda thing for Blue Sky, which I would like.

• 17:18Andrew Manganelli?

  We're going very quickly into?

• 17:19David Imel?

  I, I don't know. Some of the things they had talked about doing with a with a paid system is that you get to like MySpace-ify your profile. I think that's sick.

• 17:28Speaker 05

  Does that mean put music on it and pick a top eight?

• 17:31David Imel?

  Maybe.

• 17:32Speaker 05

  That I'll pay eight bucks?

• 17:34David Imel?

  I mean, that'd be dope.

• 17:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just want to say, there was already a way to verify yourself on social media, which was this app a while ago called Keybase, where you can like use PGP to like put public-private keys on all of your public profiles and it would verify you. And then Zoom bought them and everyone like lost trust in it and it died. But that was a solution that I wish would come back.

• 17:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Everyone could just

• 17:56Speaker 05

  I have no idea.

• 17:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Make their profile picture their driver's license.

• 18:00Speaker 05

  Their whole driver's license.

• 18:01David Imel?

  And then I would take it and I would make it my profile photo. Uh, okay, some other Fediverse news. Uh, we talked a little bit in the What is the Fediverse episode about this thing called BridgieFed, which is a bridge that bridges the Fed- uh, Activity Pub and the AT protocol. And allows, uh, Threads posts to show up on Blue Sky effectively. It sort of creates like a, like a fake version of the Threads account on Blue Sky and then it just crossposts for it so that you can follow someone's sort of like faux Threads account through Blue Sky.

• 18:45David Imel?

  Because they are using different protocols. Anyway, that was a thing.

• 18:49Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 18:50David Imel?

  It got very popular. They're building it out. But now they've decided they're going to start a whole foundation to just bridge all of these different protocols together because we're in this weird space where like Activity Pub was originally supposed to be this like end-all, be-all protocol that everyone used. But that's just not how protocols work. Nobody ever just like decides on a protocol. There's a famous ex-KCD comic about this.

• 19:17David Imel?

  So now they are starting a foundation in which they are just going to keep bridging all the new social media protocols that pop up and work with the platforms to make sure that it is like more natural and better.

• 19:28Speaker 05

  One protocol to rule them all. It really feels like

• 19:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Another protocol.

• 19:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I feel like, and I don't know if we said this in like the Fediverse long form, but

• 19:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Everyone wants it to be open and for everyone, but then everyone wants to create that thing that does it.

• 19:49David Imel?

  Indeed.

• 19:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Does that make sense? Which makes me feel like there's not a lot of paths forward in this if everyone's gonna fight over.

• 19:56David Imel?

  Well.

• 19:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Who gets to be the one that.

• 19:58David Imel?

  Most of the people are not fighting anymore. Most of the people that, well, except for Meta. They'll fight tooth and nail to make sure that Threads is the only thing. But, uh, most of the people are starting the smaller platforms with their own protocols, which I agree, they should just like, make one that they like.

• 20:16David Imel?

  They're not fighting as much because they just want the open social web to exist. So, anyway, there's now a foundation. It is their goal to build this out. That's good. It's good to have foundations. Last little bit of news.

• 20:30David Imel?

  The people who started Flipboard, which is a very old, app that used to be pre-installed on Samsung phones way back in the day. That was easier. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I use Flipboard. It is a news aggregator reader app. We had their CEO, Mike McQ, on for the Fediverse episode. They have just launched, actually as of recording today, a Fediverse browser, which allows you to basically like have all of these sources, whether it be Threads accounts, Blue Sky accounts, podcasts, YouTube channels, because podcasts and YouTube channels are both RSS-based. And create your own like packs of,

• 21:11David Imel?

  like news feeds that you can use to just like read different topics. And so you could create your own pack, which I could then follow, and I could add your pack to my, all my friends packs pack, and then it would just be a giant news aggregator. So it's all, that's all federated as well. So.

• 21:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Speaking of packs, I'm gonna throw one really quick thing in here.

• 21:32David Imel?

  You're talking about Pokemon?

• 21:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 21:34David Imel?

  Oh, boy.

• 21:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Three of us in here play Pokemon card game.

• 21:37David Imel?

  Okay.

• 21:37Andrew Manganelli?

  The new expansion came out. Adam.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:42Andrew Manganelli?

  I messaged everyone in our office that plays it the other day. I'm like, yo, let's open packs together. I'm not going to get into that argument because that was some big drama at the MKBHD studio where everyone stabbed me in the back. But Adam just that morning goes, I got this. Is this cool? And it's a gold Mew EX. It's like the rarest thing you can pull in the new expansion pack. And just stunts on all of us. And then David and I proceed to pull absolute garbage.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  Nothing good.

• 22:10Andrew Manganelli?

  This is just random, right?

• 22:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a slot machine.

• 22:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  They have like percentages of like what the probability is that you're going to get a certain card.

• 22:18Speaker 04

  Do you like trade the cards?

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Not yet.

• 22:21Speaker 04

  It's coming.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  You will next year.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  Okay. And what blockchain is all of this registered on?

• 22:26Speaker 01

  It's on Solana four.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  Crypto edition.

• 22:31Speaker 04

  That's the one that fart coin is on, right?

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, isn't that real?

• 22:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. I think it.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  That came out like last week, I think, right?

• 22:38Andrew Manganelli?

  And it just reached like a $900 million. No, okay, we are not financially.

• 22:42Speaker 04

  You people are animals.

• 22:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like talking about this, yeah. Talking about this is not financial.

• 22:48Speaker 04

  I'm so sorry.

• 22:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Anyways, Adam's very lucky. He pulled like a 0.2% pull.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  Sounds skilled.

• 22:54Andrew Manganelli?

  For it is, it is skill based. But to all you new expansion. Cards on my side. To all you new expansion enjoyers, good luck this holiday season with your pack pool.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Did you also notice that a lot of the cars, cards are have like a small Mew somewhere in the photo?

• 23:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I did not know.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of the, the Pokemon art will have like a Mew like diving into the, the lake or something in the background.

• 23:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Too mad at how unlucky I've been. Okay, cool.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 23:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Marquez, you have a really cool thing to share.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  I've prepared something to show you all. Uh, audio listeners, I think you should probably watch the video version just for this segment. Just for this segment.

• 23:34Andrew Manganelli?

  We'll do our best to describe it.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  Sure, we'll attempt, of course.

• 23:36Speaker 04

  But pull it, pull over and, and open your phone.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely pull over first. So Google, uh, kind of out of the blue announced their AI video generation model. Vio, Vio 2 is, uh, suddenly out and. It, okay, so Sundar Pichai like posted this announcement with like four videos and we know it's gonna be like handcrafted generated videos.

• 24:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that why it's called Vio?

• 24:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, more or less. And they're, they're super creative over there. It comes out, we get these four hand-selected videos and each one of those videos, in my opinion, is better than everything that I've seen from Sora. And we just, we just reviewed Sora like a week ago. We're like, guys, this is the worst the tech is gonna be from here on out. It's getting really good at a lot of things. It's still, you know, remember, we talked about this, not great at physics, not great at certain things.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  Vio seems like it's really good at that stuff, too. These videos that people are generating, and I, I got access to it, and I started playing with it, actually have, and people have done side-by-side comparisons, real working physics, things look like they move correctly and they seem to have object permanence and things overlap and move around each other and don't disappear and glitch out and look weird. And that is another huge step in whatever direction you think it is.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  So what I did was, yeah, what I did was I asked you guys in Slack, give me a couple prompts, and David, you have access to it too, so I know you've played with it. But I asked everybody else, give me a couple prompts of things you want to see me put in this new one, Vio. And we can look at them and see your reactions, because you guys have now seen a whole bunch of Sora-generated videos. You know kind of what to expect, what looks real, what doesn't. And so I've generated them and there, you can't change the resolution. This is still very early, very limited access. There is, it's like a small couple of seconds. Each video is like two megabytes, but I have them for you. I'm gonna-

• 25:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Can you pay extra to remove the watermark?

• 25:33Speaker 01

  At this point, no.

• 25:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Garbage.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  So at this point, it is very much not as productized as OpenAI's Sora is. But I think Google saw Sora's announcement and went, alright, we gotta get our thing at least off the ground and out. So I have a box and a prompt generator. I can make stuff now and I think they'll have more features coming soon. Now, just to give you guys a peek in these guys' heads, these are the prompts that they gave me before you see the video.

• 25:57Andrew Manganelli?

  You should say the prompt first so the audience can guess who said it.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Okay, so I won't tell you who gave this prompt, but here's the first prompt.

• 26:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  "A humanoid sponge living inside a pineapple at the bottom of the ocean with his best friend, who is a starfish." Um, just gonna

• 26:15David Imel?

  No copyright issues there.

• 26:17Speaker 01

  Just gonna drop that video in the Slack. It is

• 26:19David Imel?

  Oh my god!

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Check this out.

• 26:23David Imel?

  Holy crap.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  So this video, maybe, uh, David, you can describe what you're seeing.

• 26:28David Imel?

  SpongeBob box trousers.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  This is literally SpongeBob SquarePants with very nice eyelashes.

• 26:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  And his pineapple house is upside down for some reason.

• 26:37Andrew Manganelli?

  And then his starfish looks more like a pet starfish versus

• 26:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Patrick Starb.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Um, it's literally just SpongeBob.

• 26:46Andrew Manganelli?

  With no fingers.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  There's like maybe a couple very, very slightly different like facial things.

• 26:52David Imel?

  The pineapple's upside down.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  Cake. It's under the sea. I don't know why it's upside down, but it is there. And, you know, this is a cartoon style, but so, you know, it's not like a perfect photorealistic thing, but

• 27:04David Imel?

  Well.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  The bubbles are rising. The bubbles overlap things in the background. They all, the, the water physics look kind of solid. The lighting is all cartoonishly good.

• 27:15David Imel?

  It's like if SpongeBob was made in the Bluey, uh,

• 27:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's

• 27:19David Imel?

  Oh my god, that's exactly what this is.

• 27:21Andrew Manganelli?

  It feels more like

• 27:23David Imel?

  Bluey universe.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:24Andrew Manganelli?

  It feels more like drawn animation where like it's a very set background, but the things in the foreground are like moving a little bit and

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Super, way more clear than the stuff in the back.

• 27:33David Imel?

  But the character even has like the same exact outfit as SpongeBob.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's got the same working attire. This, right from the beginning, has me thinking like, what does the Google thing get trained on that Sora's doesn't? Because this is very different for Sora.

• 27:47David Imel?

  If you posted this, uh, Paramount would, uh, would have some issues.

• 27:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm thinking, low key, even on the YouTube video, we might have an issue. This is very similar.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  It's very similar.

• 27:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  It has the two teeth. So what's funny is I posted on Twitter, uh, a couple of videos when I was talking about Sora. And I posted some of them that were kind of in this cartoon style. The artist community got very mad. They were like not happy that I thought this was like a decent animation. I'm curious what they think of this one.

• 28:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I think there's a difference between we thinking it's like Impressive for AI thing and then like artists are clearly a thousand times better than this.

• 28:21David Imel?

  Exactly. The bars in totally different places.

• 28:23Andrew Manganelli?

  But I understand the frustration.

• 28:24David Imel?

  Yeah, it is crazy. Alright.

• 28:27Andrew Manganelli?

  The fact that you didn't type SpongeBob though, and it literally made exactly SpongeBob is.

• 28:32David Imel?

  Yeah. We have seen SpongeBob.

• 28:35Andrew Manganelli?

  It's worse than the plant, the tech reviewer plant.

• 28:38David Imel?

  There's like a weird tension now between like trying to look at something and say, this is where the technology is and also not necess- like advocating for it to exist.

• 28:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 28:50David Imel?

  You know, like.

• 28:50Andrew Manganelli?

  It's shining a spotlight on it.

• 28:52David Imel?

  Sort of. Yeah, it's, it's complicated, right? Like doing journalism about anything or like talking about anything is hard because you're technically giving it a platform.

• 29:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Everything you do is platforming.

• 29:02David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah. So it's.

• 29:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Ellis, were you gonna say something?

• 29:06Speaker 04

  Uh, I had like the most minor criticism of this ever, which is that the water ripples are really nice in the.

• 29:14David Imel?

  With the bubble. Oh, in the top.

• 29:15Speaker 04

  In the top, but they're not reflecting caustics upon the sand floor.

• 29:19David Imel?

  Ah, yes. Right.

• 29:21Andrew Manganelli?

  How dare they?

• 29:22Speaker 04

  Frankly.

• 29:23David Imel?

  Trash.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  A human would have.

• 29:27David Imel?

  Do you mean like the like thing on the sand?

• 29:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, the like.

• 29:30David Imel?

  The shimmering?

• 29:31Speaker 04

  When you, uh, when you look down at a pool and you see that sort of like wavy grid.

• 29:35David Imel?

  I love how that looks.

• 29:36Speaker 04

  That's called caustics.

• 29:37David Imel?

  Alright, well, well, so, okay, spoiler, that was, that was an Adam prompt.

• 29:42Speaker 04

  No way.

• 29:43David Imel?

  Thanks, Adam. This was Adam's next prompt and we'll, we'll, so that one, keep in mind Ellis was a cartoon style. This one is very much not.

• 29:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Photorealistic.

• 29:51David Imel?

  A smartphone reviewer talking about the latest product release, sitting in front of his desk while talking to the camera, explaining what they like about the phone.

• 29:59Andrew Manganelli?

  With a plant.

• 30:01David Imel?

  Oh, you'll see a plant, don't worry.

• 30:03Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like a Motorola phone mixed with the phone. It's got a very, okay, so table, person sitting at table, phone sitting up in front of them. It looks like a mix between a Motorola and a Sony and a Samsung.

• 30:15David Imel?

  They're like an Apple phone.

• 30:16Andrew Manganelli?

  That is really photorealistic though. This guy has 60K subs. Like, I, I would.

• 30:22David Imel?

  Wearing an Apple Watch.

• 30:23Andrew Manganelli?

  100% an Apple Watch.

• 30:24David Imel?

  He's got like the very prominent like lamp and plant in the background. It looks like a nice fiddly fig back there.

• 30:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Ellis, check out his lav mic placement. Pretty good.

• 30:33Speaker 04

  I was checking that out.

• 30:35Andrew Manganelli?

  He has the like window um reflection on the back wall.

• 30:39Speaker 04

  He's got the Brandon.

• 30:41David Imel?

  That's like literally an A twenty two, a Galaxy A twenty two. The same phone.

• 30:46Andrew Manganelli?

  This is this is really good.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  Even of his fingers, right up until the very end, he grows a couple of extra fingers. But most of the hand movements as he gets occluded by the phone are pretty reasonable. They're all like physically accurate. His eyebrows go up and down.

• 31:01Speaker 04

  Bro, look at his, look at the fabric of his shirt on his left sleeve. That's crazy.

• 31:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:06Speaker 04

  It like it it folds with his arm.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  All of these decisions from the plant to the light, to the color of the shirt, to the way the guy looks and the phone and the watch and the lab are all just generated. That's all just things that I thought would make sense for this prompt.

• 31:21David Imel?

  The way I know that this isn't real is because he's using a Apple Watch with a Galaxy A twenty two.

• 31:26Andrew Manganelli?

  You can still review. It's a reviewer.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can use two phones. This guy could be a two phone guy. Two phones over here.

• 31:32Andrew Manganelli?

  The phone does, I guess you could stand a phone up like that. It's it feels like weird placement.

• 31:37David Imel?

  I used to do that. Not in my.

• 31:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Just like right in front of you.

• 31:40David Imel?

  Not in my video.

• 31:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah, in a video. It feels more natural if he was holding it, but.

• 31:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I wonder if that's a liberty they took of like that would maybe not look as good.

• 31:48Speaker 04

  Well, the computer. I really like the set aesthetic.

• 31:52David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:52Speaker 04

  Just like a lamp, a plant.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  Also, something.

• 31:55Speaker 04

  A desk.

• 31:55David Imel?

  Something I've started noticing about these, the shadows are mostly pretty good.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:00David Imel?

  Which isn't always true about AI-generated videos.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 32:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, not.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  All right, one more prompt from Adam. A Jaguar car driving off of a ramp and flying away into the clouds with New York City skyline in the background.

• 32:13Speaker 04

  I just want to say, I'm pretty good at prompting, not to toot my own horn.

• 32:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, before I've even hit play. Do you know those like, do you know when you're um like watching TikTok and it has to have the like attention span killing thing underneath your? And it's the rant, the car that's on the ramp that just goes like.

• 32:30David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:31Andrew Manganelli?

  And slowly gets out of control. That's what this looks like.

• 32:34David Imel?

  What are you talking about?

• 32:35Andrew Manganelli?

  There's like.

• 32:35Speaker 04

  I have no idea what you're talking about.

• 32:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you know like in TikTok, they do the like.

• 32:38Speaker 04

  Exposing yourself.

• 32:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Cutting. Oh, yeah, I am full brain rot.

• 32:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, um, they're either like cutting squand or they're like.

• 32:45Speaker 04

  Glan?

• 32:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Squand is that like sand that kind of gets wet and like sticks together in different colors?

• 32:51Speaker 04

  What?

• 32:51Andrew Manganelli?

  They're either cutting that or they're like subway surfers. It's all the attention span. Uh, brain rot things. One of them is there's this game where a car is going down this big ramp, but there's like a series of gaps. So it slowly just starts like bouncing and bouncing and skidding and like flipping.

• 33:08David Imel?

  And you gotta watch it.

• 33:09Andrew Manganelli?

  And it's on the, it's underneath like a podcast clip. So you can not to go off the podcast. We should start it. Honestly, waveform would be at 10 million subscribers if we started doing that. Anyways.

• 33:20David Imel?

  Okay.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  So anyway, yeah, this, this is a very realistic looking Jaguar. The ramp ends, it floats off. It's definitely Manhattan in the background. You can see some recognizable buildings and it's clearly a peninsula, but also it just kind of flies horizontally and the wheels stop.

• 33:35Andrew Manganelli?

  I would argue it doesn't ramp. It just.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:39Andrew Manganelli?

  It goes off of the platform.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  And it just goes straight.

• 33:41Andrew Manganelli?

  And it stays perfect. Yeah. The, it doesn't drop. The wheels also stop completely at some point.

• 33:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, because he's flying.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  This one you can tell is AI.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  Well.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  It, but it is much, I don't think Sora would have been this.

• 33:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  It's also, that's an exact car, right? Like it's not like a.

• 34:01Speaker 04

  Google Jaguar E-type.

• 34:03Andrew Manganelli?

  I would argue the thing Sora might do better is like, I bet it would have started falling in Sora.

• 34:09Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 34:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, this is the E-type.

• 34:11Speaker 04

  It's like just the E-type. It's just the E-type.

• 34:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Even with the curves, yeah.

• 34:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. Nail, and it even, even got the rims right. Yeah.

• 34:19Andrew Manganelli?

  I cannot tell just straight up that this is AI. I would think that this would be like some bad special effects.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Adam, it's flying off a floating platform.

• 34:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, but if you're, if you're watching like a film, a college film. Okay. How I can tell it is.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  It's bad CGI.

• 34:32Andrew Manganelli?

  The wheels are going from full speed and then they just stop. There's no like ramp down of it.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, bad CGI. It could be a bad animation, I guess.

• 34:40David Imel?

  Yeah. It looks like a blender animation.

• 34:42Speaker 04

  Or they got an ABS delete.

• 34:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  What does that mean?

• 34:48Speaker 04

  Uh, in the comments, they'll answer.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  You don't explain it.

• 34:54Speaker 04

  Fine, okay, cars have this thing called anti-lock brakes that when you slam on the brakes as hard as you can, the wheels will slowly come to a stop so they don't start skidding. But the joke is, is that they took that out so you can just lock the wheels up instantly.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Oh, calipers go quicker. Okay, let's, uh, so I think those are also, as we've seen, probably better than what we've seen from Sora.

• 35:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Agreed.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  Andrew gave me one prompt, but I did run it several times and get several videos.

• 35:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay. Yeah, I'm so interested in what this did, because I gave it a pretty, there's different paths it could take.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  And I got several different answers. Andrew's prompt was the New Jersey Devils winning the Stanley Cup.

• 35:38Andrew Manganelli?

  This might be the only way I see it.

• 35:40Speaker 01

  You know it's AI-generated.

• 35:41Speaker 04

  Because it's gonna be actual Devils.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 35:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Whoa, okay.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Wow, it is. Video number one.

• 35:47Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  So, the New Jersey Devils are a copyrighted, licensed, uh...

• 35:54Speaker 04

  Is that their logo?

• 35:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, that's their logo. It's extremely close.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is very much recognizable as the New Jersey Devils logo. They tried to put a Stanley Cup in the middle, confetti falling from the ceiling, in confetti ways, it kind of disappears a little bit, and you can tell it's not real, but a bunch of Devils players in the background, not real people, but wearing Devils jerseys, jumping up and down, celebrating.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  I feel like if you put that clip in a live, like, broadcast after they actually won, I don't think people would notice.

• 36:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Or like, or like, uh, part opacity over it with like, the like, MSG Network coming up next, like, it probably would. But I will say, this feels super, the super AI-generated. The Stanley Cup is really off. It's like, identical, it's big, and then small, and then big, rather than it's normal. Like, look, their words on it are really weird. They don't really say anything. There's no individual team names. Some of the players are kind of weird. I'll, I'll give them credit for when their jerseys are jumping, you can tell there's like pads underneath it, which is pretty impressive. And the laces, which the Devils don't have, are going up and down. But there, there's some physics issues in this for sure.

• 37:04Speaker 04

  The reflections don't match.

• 37:06David Imel?

  Yeah, the reflections are weird.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:07Andrew Manganelli?

  A lot of people like don't have bottom rows of teeth, which maybe hockey players don't.

• 37:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 37:11David Imel?

  Yeah, totally normal.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the Stanley Cup is like that thing that people buy, the thermos thing, right?

• 37:18Andrew Manganelli?

  That's. I didn't even think that's what it could be.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Cause it looks totally different.

• 37:21Speaker 04

  That's the best thing you've ever said on this podcast.

• 37:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I hope, I hope the next one is a literal demon drinking out of like a Stanley Cup they bought it, a bedazzled Stanley Cup.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  No, so it, it, I, for all three of these, it never even fluttered from the New Jersey Devils thing.

• 37:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Like the hockey, they got hockey right every time?

• 37:38Speaker 01

  Here's the second video. This is later on in the same night.

• 37:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, okay. These players look very like Eastern European, which is very hockey related.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  So the players are now back to the locker room. They've calmed down. There's no more confetti. They've still got the slightly weird, but pretty close New Jersey Devils logos on their, on their jerseys.

• 37:56Andrew Manganelli?

  It's worse. The logo is worse.

• 37:58David Imel?

  But it's consistent.

• 38:00Speaker 01

  The one guy goes for a high five and then doesn't get one.

• 38:02Andrew Manganelli?

  The jersey.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  That's realistic.

• 38:04Andrew Manganelli?

  The jersey on this is super realistic. These are like the new Fanatic slash Adidas jerseys where like the, the way the black and the top neck piece is, is very realistic. Um, the hats in the background and the names on the lockers are really bad.

• 38:20Speaker 04

  Dude, that's so funny.

• 38:22David Imel?

  Is that what the Stanley Cup looks like?

• 38:23Andrew Manganelli?

  This is what the team would look like if they just won the Stanley Cup five years in a row and like, aren't even excited for winning it anymore. If the, the Devils haven't won since 2003, there would be, these guys would be blackout drunk and champagne flying everywhere.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  So here's the last video from a, a week later.

• 38:43Andrew Manganelli?

  With a parade. Wow, they, this looks so bad.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  This, this is the least realistic looking one, but it is the hardest one to generate, which is hundreds of people, a bus, all the players on the top of the double decker bus, the Stanley Cup, the people in the street, the flags waving, tons of physics. Um, zoomed out, it doesn't look terrible, but as soon as you start inspecting it.

• 39:06David Imel?

  I don't think I would think twice if I just saw this clip on like a news broadcast.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  If I was scrolling my Twitter timeline, I wouldn't check twice. That's kind of where it is.

• 39:15Andrew Manganelli?

  This F-150 is holding like 15 players in the back of it?

• 39:18Speaker 01

  I thought it was bigger than, it looks kind of like an ambulance size. Like it's kind of bigger than an F-150.

• 39:23Andrew Manganelli?

  The, them sitting in the bus is really bad. Like they're on top of a double decker bus that they obviously aren't fitting in it very well.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  But compared to what we've seen from Sora.

• 39:34Andrew Manganelli?

  This is the closest Stanley Cup out of all of them.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  It is.

• 39:37Andrew Manganelli?

  That's very.

• 39:38David Imel?

  I also like how there's like 40 people on the hockey team.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  Dude, the reflection of the guy in the street on the side of the bus is pretty close.

• 39:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, but every single, there are over a hundred people in the crowd. Not one of them is looking at the bus with the players. They're all looking backwards and there isn't a face facing forward.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  Cause Santa Claus is back there.

• 39:58David Imel?

  Yeah, but the reflection like doesn't go away. Like the bus drives way past him and it stays with the refle- the reflection stays.

• 40:05Speaker 01

  It's like what a college freshman would do on their first ever VFX project. And they'd get a C minus or something. It wouldn't be that good.

• 40:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know about that. Yeah, this, that ran the gamut of one, all the different things that happen when you win the Stanley Cup. And two, progressively got worse.

• 40:21David Imel?

  You should have seen my VFX work freshman year. It was much worse than this.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  The people on the left, like sort of just down left from the street lamp are like merging into one another in this sort of like

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:32Speaker 04

  terrifying human soup.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  A very Sora thing to do.

• 40:36Andrew Manganelli?

  The flag also that's being waved is just freaking out.

• 40:40David Imel?

  Oh, yeah. So.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  That's flags too.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  The focal length or the like doesn't, not focal length, but like the, the plane of focus doesn't make sense. Like some of these guys faces are really sharp and then six feet behind them, it'll be blurrier. And then six feet behind them, it'll be back to sharp again.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:56David Imel?

  It's paraphocal.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  It's something we would notice for sure.

• 41:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  So, last three prompts are Ellis prompts.

• 41:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Let's go.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Thank you, Ellis.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  And these go, these are also very interesting. So first one, first one from Ellis. A wide angle shot of a dolphin jumping out of a tropical ocean in the style of, can you say that? I don't know how to say that.

• 41:18Speaker 04

  Frutigeraro.

• 41:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that a cheese?

• 41:22Speaker 01

  Don't know what that is, but I put it in the prompt engine anyway.

• 41:24Speaker 04

  Frugiere Arrow is, let's see, yeah, let's.

• 41:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, wait. Okay, I'm gonna try and explain this as best as I can.

• 41:32Speaker 04

  No, go on.

• 41:32Andrew Manganelli?

  It is a very realistic dolphin. It is underwater, then jumping out of the water and landing where everything looks pretty good, except for like the velocity of the dolphin. It like slowly goes up to where it looks like it's just gonna poke his head out. Then it just slowly continues to be about five feet over the water, flies for a little bit and just like very slowly.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  And then it just goes horizontal for a little bit and then dives back in. Yeah. He decides what his gravity is at any given moment.

• 42:02David Imel?

  Did it match your style?

• 42:04Speaker 04

  Uh, no, I'm gonna drop some, um, images in the slack of what Frugiere Arrow is supposed to look like. Uh, it's a very distinct visual style. Also, but I would like to give it credit. Uh, caustics on the dolphin.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. See, some of it, that's the thing. Some of it is pretty impressive and then some of it is totally wrong. So it's like, how do you summarize it as a whole? Oh, it's not that bad.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  That's this. That's what Frugiere Arrow is.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  Uh, so I was really hoping for something like straight out of like a juice commercial.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Greatest. Like some of it, again, this is, this is going to annoy people who do this for a living, but some of it is really impressive. When the dolphin's under the water, look at the bottom of the water where it reflects the dolphin as it's coming up.

• 42:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, like the.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  That I, that's kinda interesting.

• 42:48David Imel?

  Bottom of the water?

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, under the surface of the water where it reflects the top of the dolphin and the reflections. It's just.

• 42:54David Imel?

  Okay.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  I found that impressive.

• 42:57David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Again, Sora doesn't necessarily get all of these things wrong, but I don't think it's this good. Here's one more Ellis prompt. It reads, "A crane looming high above a pristine mountain lake on a cold, misty winter morning."

• 43:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, before you send it, were you talking about the bird or the construction equipment?

• 43:15Speaker 04

  That's up for Google to decide.

• 43:18David Imel?

  Let's go.

• 43:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, cool. It went bird.

• 43:20David Imel?

  Oh.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  This one, I think, gets the highest grade. I'm gonna read the prompt again as we're looking at this.

• 43:25Speaker 04

  Dude, that bird be sh**ing no.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  As cranes do, obviously.

• 43:32Andrew Manganelli?

  So much bird poop on that.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  The prompt one more time is a crane, look at this video. A crane looming high above a pristine mountain lake on a cold, misty winter morning.

• 43:42David Imel?

  That is crazy.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  It got all of it.

• 43:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I wish it thought construction equipment because if there was just an actual crane sitting here, it would be pretty sweet.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  Don't worry, the next prompt gets.

• 43:52Speaker 04

  I chose the word looming very carefully, like to see what it would do.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, again, it gave me a couple of options. This was the one I think fit the best. One of them, it was kind of on a lower rock. I thought high above this fit better. The environment, very, very impressive. There's not really any real place, but it's definitely a mountain lake. It's definitely a cold winter morning. It's pretty good.

• 44:14Andrew Manganelli?

  It's really good.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Pretty good. If you saw this on your Twitter timeline, do you know it's AI? Uh, I've seen Planet Earth shots that look just like this.

• 44:22Speaker 05

  I was just gonna say, not even Twitter. If you put this in the middle of like Planet Earth for a quick three seconds, I would not think twice.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is.

• 44:30David Imel?

  Well, the stabilization is not quite perfect, kind of wobbles a little bit.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  As drone shots do.

• 44:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I think if David Attenborough was speaking over that, I wouldn't blink an eye.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  Here we see the crane looming over the mountain lake. Crane's neck, it does these sort of lateral movements that if you pay attention to them, yeah, I don't.

• 44:49David Imel?

  But again, like 99% of people are not going to be looking for this stuff.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  If you only saw the clip once and moved on, it probably would pass your, what's the test?

• 44:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Vibe.

• 44:59David Imel?

  Smell vibe check.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  That's the smell test, sure. All right, one last prompt from Ellis before we take a quick break. This one got a very different response. A bat with vampire fangs being held by a child behind home plate at a Little League game.

• 45:13David Imel?

  I hope it's a animal bat.

• 45:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Specifically tried to mess that one.

• 45:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, this one is pretty obvious.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  Okay. Again, the prompt is a bat with vampire fangs.

• 45:23Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, so we're talking the animal behind.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 45:29Andrew Manganelli?

  It is.

• 45:30Speaker 04

  Someone described this, because I.

• 45:32Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like a souvenir baseball bat that looks like it's. Yeah, yeah, and it. It looks like it's made out of like Play-Doh.

• 45:39David Imel?

  Yeah, and it has like Play-Doh vampire fangs hanging up.

• 45:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, these are more like boar tusks versus.

• 45:47David Imel?

  That's true.

• 45:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Vampire fangs, because they're facing upwards instead of downwards.

• 45:50David Imel?

  That is so funny.

• 45:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Also, I don't see home plate, but it does look, I see the pitcher's mound, so this is approximately home plate.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  There's a plate.

• 45:57David Imel?

  I think that the models are gonna be good.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  That's the pitcher's mound, I think.

• 46:00David Imel?

  The models are gonna be good at knowing like what you mean to talk about because of the way that large language models like associate words together. So if you put like baseball bat, it, or if you say like home plate, it's not gonna associate that with a, an actual bat.

• 46:14Speaker 04

  But I said vampire fangs. That, I, I gave, I gave, I gave it one of these.

• 46:18David Imel?

  I get what you're doing, and I actually think that would be very fun to do a lot more of those, just to see what happens.

• 46:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 46:24David Imel?

  So.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  Overall, really interesting results.

• 46:28David Imel?

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  I think it's really good, yeah, I know, it's, it's, it's really good at some things that Sora struggled with, which is why it to me feels so like interesting that Google would drop this right after Sora. It's, yeah, it's, it's just gonna keep getting better at this.

• 46:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Or that Sora dropped it right before Google.

• 46:48David Imel?

  Got it.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  True, yeah. And you know, they had the 12 Days of Christmas, it got leaked, they felt pressure to release, that comes out early, now Google goes, oh, this is out, we might have some pressure, we release ours. There's other video generation models that are evolving very quickly, there's just a lot going on.

• 47:01David Imel?

  Google always was going to have more data to work with, you know?

• 47:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, are they, how much, because I.

• 47:06David Imel?

  The entire internet.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  Is there YouTube stuff? I don't know.

• 47:08David Imel?

  Like OpenAI, OpenAI had to go and take everything. Google just had everything on hand, you know what I'm saying?

• 47:15Speaker 01

  Do we think there's, so, do we think there's?

• 47:18Andrew Manganelli?

  They're not trying to say that, I could say that.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  100%. Because they just gave us a tool to opt in, not opt out.

• 47:24David Imel?

  Yes, to third parties.

• 47:26Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 47:26David Imel?

  It specifically said third parties. So for those that don't know, there was a story that came out this week. YouTube is now allowing creators to opt in to third-party training models, training on their content, which like, I have no idea why you would want to do that. I guess what they are probably planning on is like, there's all these publishers that have been striking deals with OpenAI to train on their news organizations work. And maybe YouTube is thinking that some YouTubers could like, go to OpenAI and say, "Pay me a million dollars and you can train on my content." I don't think that will happen, but the way that I see that story is that they specifically said "third parties."

• 48:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Is there an argument that Google and YouTube are separate?

• 48:12David Imel?

  No.

• 48:13Andrew Manganelli?

  And Google using it?

• 48:13David Imel?

  No.

• 48:15Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm like really trying to find like-

• 48:17Speaker 05

  I thought the same thing. I looked through their announcement and there, there's no mention of Google or YouTube.

• 48:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, I'm just saying, Google's making VO, YouTube's the one saying third-party.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  I think they're both first-party in this case.

• 48:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I, that's what I would agree with. I just want to make sure we're-

• 48:30David Imel?

  I get where you're coming from.

• 48:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 48:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 48:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Or that's what they're hoping morons like me think that.

• 48:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  YouTube.

• 48:36David Imel?

  Yeah. Considering they have like more realistic, like, like Sora would probably make up a fake Jaguar that's sort of vaguely based on what Jaguars look like, but just make them up. Google just takes the actual iType.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  Right. Again, because we got lots of refusals. Yeah, we got lots of refusals from Sora on anything that had any sort of potentially intellectual property. With this, clearly a SpongeBob, clearly the Devils, clearly a Jaguar, like, things that would not pass the same test. So that's, that's, that's a trend. Something to notice.

• 49:11Speaker 05

  Can someone make a meme that's like, "Google, when a YouTuber infringes on intellectual property rights," and it's like someone freaking out, and then like, "Google, when Google infringes on intellectual property rights?"

• 49:23David Imel?

  Someone's already making that meme.

• 49:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Oopsie.

• 49:26Speaker 05

  Thanks, fam.

• 49:27Andrew Manganelli?

  We're sorry.

• 49:28David Imel?

  Anyway, we have gone in detail. Let us know what you think in the comments. We should take a quick break, though. And before we do the quick break, we should do trivia.

• 49:38David Imel?

  Trivia dude. I've been getting complaints on the comments that people say, I don't say trivia dude enough. So I'm gonna start saying it again for all you out there.

• 49:50Speaker 04

  I've been getting complaints from these lights that say hail us, even though we worked perfectly all morning. We're just gonna stop. Anyway, today's trivia, today's first trivia question, I should say, is about Samsung Unpacked. Specifically, they move it all over the world, which makes it different than other tech events. So.

• 50:12David Imel?

  They only started doing that last year, though.

• 50:14Speaker 04

  That is not true.

• 50:15David Imel?

  Never mind. Two years ago.

• 50:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I've been in two different places.

• 50:20David Imel?

  It's usually in, okay, continue.

• 50:21Speaker 04

  Which of the following cities has Samsung Unpacked never been in? We have our first one, Seoul, Korea. Our second one, Barcelona, Spain. Our third one, Tampenes, Singapore, and, or Tampines, excuse me, Tampines. I looked up the pronunciation of that. If I still got it wrong, Singaporean audience, please correct me. But Tampines, Singapore. And finally, Amsterdam, Netherlands.

• 50:50David Imel?

  Cool.

• 50:53David Imel?

  Huh. I have a 50/50 shot.

• 50:56Speaker 04

  Really?

• 50:57David Imel?

  Mm-hmm. Cause I was at the other two.

• 51:00Andrew Manganelli?

  I've been to two and they were, none of them were at the list.

• 51:03David Imel?

  Never mind. Okay. Yeah, we'll think about that one. The answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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• 52:48Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, we're back. So last year, we did a recap episode. Since this is our last episode of the year, we are going to do that again. We called it the Waveform Awards last year, and then everyone told us, hey, you morons, you call everything else YouTube Rebound, why aren't you calling this Waveform Rewind? So I'm calling this Waveform Rewind.

• 53:04David Imel?

  Bet.

• 53:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Good idea. Thank you for calling me a moron. You were right.

• 53:11Andrew Manganelli?

  So we're going to do some things we did last year. We have some fun questions. We're going to go over some predictions we had. We're going to make new predictions. It's kind of how we're going to wrap this episode up. But before that, I want to do some stats about Waveform this year because they're awesome. So as of writing this, not including this episode, we did 24.5 million views on the Waveform channel, which is wild to think about.

• 53:32David Imel?

  So many dishes, dude.

• 53:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 53:34David Imel?

  So many dishes.

• 53:35Andrew Manganelli?

  We have 8.8 million watch time hours. Dish is washed hours is gotta be at least 100,000.

• 53:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 53:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I think.

• 53:42David Imel?

  Wait, okay, 8 million? Keep going.

• 53:44Andrew Manganelli?

  You keep doing that, okay. We gained just shy of 100,000 subscribers this year. Maybe there's three weeks left. You could try and hit that last 6,000. Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2. We did 13.1 million views in shorts, which is something we really focused on a lot this year, and that did great. I think the thing I'm the most proud of is we posted 60, we will have posted 62 episodes of Waveform this year. We did a lot of bonus episodes. We did four more episodes than last year, even though we're gonna take this break now, which I think is really cool, and I can't wait for 2025.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  I figured it out. 8.8 million watch time hours is just over a thousand years of human life washing dishes. I mean, listening to the podcast. That's impressive. That's impressive.

• 54:32Andrew Manganelli?

  That's super impressive. I can't believe.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  That's a lot of dishes, bro.

• 54:35Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a lot of years.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Audio wise, we were just shy of 8 million total downloads, which is technically down from last year, but this was the first full year after the Apple Podcasts change where auto downloads stopped. And from what I've heard, podcasting across kind of the world has hit a dip, and we stayed pretty even. So I'm taking that as a huge win. Thank you for sticking with us. Thank you for being like loyal listeners who don't just listen to one hit auto download and then completely forget they have 40 episodes of a podcast.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  And I think it means a bunch of new people joined us. So, hi, welcome. Subscribe. Thanks.

• 55:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, so we have some cool plans for next year. I'm super excited for it. But news wise, we covered a lot of things.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  There's a lot of stuff.

• 55:21Andrew Manganelli?

  We are notoriously really bad at being like, that happened this year?

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:25Andrew Manganelli?

  So David was great and put down kind of the biggest stories. And I just want to like also reiterate it with the question we did last year was, was there anything that happened this year that wasn't on our bingo card? So do you want to say the the big things? And if there's anything someone really was not expecting?

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 55:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Jump out on it.

• 55:42Speaker 01

  So I went through just the episodes that we launched and the stories that we covered, and I listed basically the biggest topics that we covered this year.

• 55:50David Imel?

  Uh, Google getting labeled the monopoly in search by the Department of Justice.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  Probably could have seen it coming, but it actually happened.

• 55:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Didn't expect it to come to fruition.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  And it's still happening.

• 56:03Andrew Manganelli?

  This, yes.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  In progress.

• 56:05David Imel?

  Yeah. The Vision Pro technically launched.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  That we knew was happening.

• 56:10David Imel?

  And is out.

• 56:12Andrew Manganelli?

  And feels like an eternity ago.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  That was this year.

• 56:14David Imel?

  That was this year. It was January, so it's fair. Uh, the Humane AI pin happened this year.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it did.

• 56:23David Imel?

  That was this year as well.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:24David Imel?

  The Rabbit R1 happened this year.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. They sure did.

• 56:28Andrew Manganelli?

  It was fun. That was an interesting couple of months, for sure.

• 56:31David Imel?

  Uh, the Fisker, Fisker went out of business this year.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  That was definitely also this year.

• 56:36David Imel?

  Uh, Sora launched this year officially only like last week, but it's previewed.

• 56:43Speaker 01

  And now it's out.

• 56:44David Imel?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah. The Cybertruck actually came out this year. Lots of big things this year.

• 56:50Andrew Manganelli?

  We were, I was watching the end of last year's episode and we were all debating on if we thought 25 Cybertrucks came out before the end of last year.

• 56:56David Imel?

  Yeah. Did that happen?

• 56:57Speaker 01

  Oh, but.

• 56:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Remember, the bet was 25 delivered non-Tesla employees Cybertrucks.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  Before the end of last year?

• 57:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 57:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Before the end of 2023.

• 57:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 57:07Andrew Manganelli?

  And we were all like very on the fence of if we thought that was happening.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  It's still hard to say.

• 57:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's hard to say.

• 57:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 57:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, I don't think it happened.

• 57:14David Imel?

  The Meta Orion Smart Glasses happened this year. We got a very super thin OLED iPad Pro. The Google Generative Search Experience that kind of, uh, made people eat glue and rocks came out this year. That was fun.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Forced them to.

• 57:33David Imel?

  Uh, Nothing came out with their CMF phone, which was weird.

• 57:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Whole CMF line, right?

• 57:40David Imel?

  Um, that's a good question. Did they launch the earbuds in Watch last year?

• 57:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought those were all together. We were talking about them all together at first.

• 57:48David Imel?

  Oh, you might be right. They might have all been this year.

• 57:50Andrew Manganelli?

  And they've launched two Watches in the process, right?

• 57:55David Imel?

  Uh, Apple Intelligence got both announced at WWDC and is half out because they're still missing Siri.

• 58:04David Imel?

  Uh, the Fediverse got a really big push. Blue Sky is big and now Threads is big. Threads, by the way, the day before today, they announced they have 300 million users now and 100 million.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  Wait, did Threads come out this year?

• 58:17David Imel?

  No.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  Oh, that was last year?

• 58:19David Imel?

  It was last year.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 58:20David Imel?

  Yeah. It was last July.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 58:23David Imel?

  Which is crazy because I literally remember where I was the moment I made my account. And because I have that so vivid in my head, it doesn't feel, it feels like it was this year. But also, the restaurant I was in is now out of business. So it's clearly was a while ago.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:39David Imel?

  Uh, okay, we had the Huawei Trifold.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:43David Imel?

  Which is very strange, got announced the same day as the iPhone. The Tesla Cyber Cab event.

• 58:50Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 58:51David Imel?

  Uh, Google Bard rebranding to Gemini technically happened this year.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  Bring it back. Bard was better.

• 59:01David Imel?

  And the Scarlett Johansson AI, uh, voice mode thing.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  Controversy.

• 59:07David Imel?

  Controversy happened.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. ChatGPT.

• 59:09David Imel?

  So the funny thing about this is like, most of these were in the second half of the year. It doesn't seem like a ton of stuff happened at the beginning besides, uh, the.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 59:19David Imel?

  There was like.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  Vision Pro, the Cybertruck.

• 59:21David Imel?

  The AI pin.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  AI pin.

• 59:24David Imel?

  When was the Cybertruck?

• 59:25Andrew Manganelli?

  They were gadgety for the first start of the year, it feels like.

• 59:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:28Andrew Manganelli?

  An AI towards the second set.

• 59:30David Imel?

  R1.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Was it OLED? That super thin iPad was like.

• 59:33David Imel?

  That was mid-year, yeah. That was like June or something.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 59:37David Imel?

  Uh, yeah. It was a pretty big 2024.

• 59:39Andrew Manganelli?

  If I had to pick the thing that wasn't on my bingo card, it's Apple announcing a phone and its main selling point not fully coming out till mm, yeah, literally the next calendar year.

• 59:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 59:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Wouldn't have guessed that. Feels very off-brand.

• 59:54David Imel?

  I did not have the Orion glasses on my bingo card. I think that was an interesting surprise.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Uh, cause we all saw the headsets start to come out and we assumed the smart glasses thing was super far away, but to actually have them go on stage and just be like, here, we're not ever going to sell this, but we still are like prototyping. Check this thing out. That was kinda out of the blue. It was cool.

• 1:00:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that just in itself, having a company that big announce something and publicly saying this isn't for sale, we're not going to sell this and immediately make money on it.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Stock price.

• 1:00:25Andrew Manganelli?

  True. So yes, they're making plenty of money on it, but I didn't have that on my bingo card of making the correct decision of not immediately just trying to sell to everyone.

• 1:00:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Or do you have a sick bingo card?

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  They're all.

• 1:00:40David Imel?

  Bingo. Let's go. Um.

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  Cybercab event? Was that on your bingo card?

• 1:00:46David Imel?

  No.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  That was a, there's a lot at that event.

• 1:00:49David Imel?

  Is that the thing that was not on your bingo card?

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Well, there's, that's another thing that was on, like Blue Sky coming back, having the year that it did, especially the last few months was not on my bingo card. And yeah, the Cybercab, all the things that happened at that event were also not on my bingo card. Cause a lot of people were thinking Model 2 has gotta be the next thing they show. It's gotta be this smaller version of the Model 3 for these markets that we need a $25,000 car. Like that's what a lot of people thought was coming from Tesla.

• 1:01:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  So this was just kinda different.

• 1:01:15David Imel?

  We've had like multiple episodes where we said there were reports that the Model 2 got canceled and then Elon said, no, they haven't been. And then the reports were like, the Model 2 is now just the Cybercab. So it's, it's gone back and forth quite a bit.

• 1:01:32David Imel?

  Yeah. I, I didn't have it on my bingo card that Google would like just force everyone to use the search generative experience no matter what. That was definitely not on my bingo card. Cause that felt to me like they are literally just playing with fire, allowing their robots to answer people's questions and not even like, yeah.

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, that was.

• 1:01:55David Imel?

  That was this year as well.

• 1:01:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh my goodness.

• 1:01:56David Imel?

  Yeah. The like eat three rocks a day thing, pulling things from Reddit. Yeah.

• 1:02:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, that's, and just like how much they blew up their own search. It felt like, like I know Google's slowly been making their search absolutely miserable.

• 1:02:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Andrew Manganelli?

  But man.

• 1:02:14David Imel?

  They really.

• 1:02:14Andrew Manganelli?

  They hit it home this year.

• 1:02:15David Imel?

  They really hit it home.

• 1:02:16Andrew Manganelli?

  They hit their goal.

• 1:02:17David Imel?

  Yeah. So. What about you guys? You guys have anything?

• 1:02:21Speaker 05

  I think the thing that wasn't on my bingo card the most was how quickly everyone forgot about the Apple Vision Pro.

• 1:02:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:29Speaker 05

  Like, it came out, it was a huge deal. We spoke about it constantly.

• 1:02:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Biggest video of the year.

• 1:02:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, it has like random resurgences, like people on social media that discover a new cool thing you do with it. Or Ellis. Or Ellis. And everyone's excited about it for like another couple of days and then it kind of just like fades into the background again.

• 1:02:47David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:47Speaker 05

  And like for an Apple product, a new VR, basically, Apple, like, that's just weird to me.

• 1:02:53Andrew Manganelli?

  It went from like, people taking like candid videos of themselves outside, like crossing the street poking things and it was everywhere. And then it's just nowhere.

• 1:03:04David Imel?

  I think you really need something to have that reason to come back to it every single day if you don't want it to just be a blip in the news. And they just don't have that right now. So it could be like an original iPhone where not a lot of people buy it initially. And then later on, it just becomes crazy popular, but right now it's, uh, it's looking a little bleak.

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  This, here's an interesting stat for the video we made about it.

• 1:03:26David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  It blew up, obviously. It was one of the biggest videos of the year. In the first week, it had 22.9 million views. Like, a lot of people who weren't ever gonna buy it were just watching that video. It has since gotten roughly 1 million views in the last 300 days.

• 1:03:45David Imel?

  Wow.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  So the chart is just, shh.

• 1:03:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  And people just stopped talking about Vision Pro.

• 1:03:51David Imel?

  Caring. Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  It's interesting.

• 1:03:55David Imel?

  What I didn't, also did not have my, on my bingo card is, uh, Google Fi still not supporting RCS.

• 1:04:02Speaker 05

  That's so funny.

• 1:04:03David Imel?

  On the iPhone, on the iPhone. That really bugs me.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  I was thinking about switching to Google Fi and I'm probably not gonna do it.

• 1:04:10David Imel?

  If you're on your iPhone, it will not, like, you can't do RCS chats with Android phones.

• 1:04:15Speaker 05

  Oh, that's why I was trying to text Mark has yesterday and that's why it didn't work.

• 1:04:19David Imel?

  Oh, cause you have a Fi on the iPhone, yeah.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I started noticing a lot of people, I mean, obviously they updated to iOS 18, but I started getting the, the typing indicators. So I've been on Android and I'm not used to getting the typing indicators. And when I did see one, I'd be like, oh, another Android person. That's so cool. Now I see it, I'm like, yeah, everyone's got these now, which is cool. I get to see when people are typing.

• 1:04:40David Imel?

  I did expect all the misinformation that people are spreading about RCS and stuff, but.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Pretty classic.

• 1:04:45David Imel?

  That's fun.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  Honestly, what wasn't on my bingo card was discovering I love Vision Pro.

• 1:04:53Speaker 04

  I've like chilled out a little bit, you know, but damn, there was like a month or two where it was just like, I was in, I was in that thing.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  You were locked in.

• 1:05:01Speaker 04

  All day, every day.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  You've been in it within the last month.

• 1:05:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's, it rocks, man. It's so, it's so dope. It's like.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  Do you want to tell people what you're using it for specifically?

• 1:05:15Speaker 04

  Literally just computing.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  So you're just on the computer, but with the headset on, so your environment's different?

• 1:05:20Speaker 04

  Like, yeah, I sit at my desk and I do my normal work, but I'm wearing Vision Pro and I'm in Hawaii and it's nighttime. Like, that's like the vibe. Like, I don't really know.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  A bigger screen and cooler environment?

• 1:05:33Speaker 04

  Bigger screen, cooler environment, less distractions. Uh, I don't, I don't, I'm not a developer. Like, I don't pay for the developer beta pass. So I'm still waiting for, is it 2.2 or 2.2.1? Whichever one adds the ultra wide display.

• 1:05:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:51Speaker 04

  Cause that's gonna be a game changer for me.

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  I was gonna mention that. So the, cause the, you know, we're not gonna get a Vision Pro 2 anytime soon.

• 1:05:59Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  But I always feel like when you get a first gen product, that's the company trying to see what's interesting about it and see what sticks. And the closest we have to a Vision Pro 2, which is when they learn, okay, this is what worked, here's what their direction will go, is the software updates they've put out.

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  And the fact that they're improving the, specifically the, the Mac connectivity and like adding an ultra wide and adding more capabilities there.

• 1:06:23David Imel?

  What people really like to use it for.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  It tells me that that's one of the primary uses of the Vision Pro.

• 1:06:29Speaker 04

  It's just, it's the resolution. The resolution is so good. It's so high. Like, it just feels so natural. To use and then being able to like, typically what I do is I have all my work stuff on the virtual display and then like Slack, I'm running the Vision Pro app for and it's like floating onto the side. And then because of universal control, my mouse will automatically go from my computer to the Vision Pro. It's just like-

• 1:06:54David Imel?

  You know, I really don't like though, I used it with the Mac Mini the other day and if you're not using a Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse, you cannot see your keyboard and mouse. It only recognizes-

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, and same with the trackpad, like you can't see it. But I have figured out like the perfect environment setting to where I can still see my-

• 1:07:15David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  And then when you have it like at that halfway, little past halfway point, if you're in a nighttime environment, even though the environment's like mostly in front of you, if you turn around, it matches the lighting in the room you're in.

• 1:07:27David Imel?

  Dims the room.

• 1:07:28Speaker 04

  Dims the, it's so-

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  Would it be weird if we were all wearing Vision Pros all day in the studio?

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:07:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, maybe would it be weird because we'd all be in our own environments, we wouldn't even notice.

• 1:07:39David Imel?

  Yeah, I'd be in Hawaii.

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I'd be a crane.

• 1:07:43David Imel?

  Yosemite.

• 1:07:44Speaker 04

  No one even thought about it. Everyone's just like, yes.

• 1:07:47Speaker 01

  I'm just like, when you're describing, I'm like, maybe I should do that more often. And then I'm picturing like several people in the office doing it. I'm like, what if we all did it?

• 1:07:53David Imel?

  I don't want the nightmares of saying, hey, Marquez, and having you turn around in your eyes.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  You're just bothering people for a minute. I was reviewing that, just walking around Vision Pro. People were like, I can't talk to you while you're wearing this. I was like, yeah, that's fair.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  You walked into the studio like a few weeks ago when I was wearing it and you just stopped by my desk and stared at me and said-

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  I did.

• 1:08:14Speaker 04

  You said, you said, right, this is how the world is now.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  I remember that.

• 1:08:20David Imel?

  You've got bug eyes.

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. I wonder if Samsung's gonna do that with theirs, put the eyes on the outside. Probably not.

• 1:08:26David Imel?

  Great question.

• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  Probably not.

• 1:08:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  All right. So we should make some predictions for 2024, right?

• 1:08:32David Imel?

  2025.

• 1:08:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, let's look at our predictions from last year and then make our predictions.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  Okay, sure. Yeah.

• 1:08:39David Imel?

  Okay, cool.

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  Let's do that.

• 1:08:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, all right. So this was last year. We have a split up of these. David said multi multimodal AI is going to take off and be integrated into everything. Adam said that was the safest prediction possible.

• 1:08:53David Imel?

  That's true.

• 1:08:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Would we say?

• 1:08:55David Imel?

  I would say it got integrated into everything. I wouldn't necessarily say it took off.

• 1:09:01Speaker 05

  I wouldn't say everything. I would say the important things. It got integrated into like Google.

• 1:09:07Andrew Manganelli?

  The things we expected, I feel like.

• 1:09:09David Imel?

  There's visual search on the iPhone right now. That's basically multimodal. There's Gemini has the back and forth with what am I looking at kind of thing? There's the Ray-Ban Meta Glasses.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  That's fair. Yeah.

• 1:09:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  I think that would be a successful prediction.

• 1:09:22David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I do agree. Yeah.

• 1:09:24David Imel?

  It was a soft.

• 1:09:24Andrew Manganelli?

  It hasn't taken off quite as much, even though if I'm talking about AI stuff, that's probably the one. Except for if you just want to know what's person's dog is, just ask them what the dog is. Don't ask them to take a picture.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Picture of their dog and then figuring out everything.

• 1:09:41David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  How old's your dog? Don't tell me.

• 1:09:43David Imel?

  Don't tell me.

• 1:09:44Andrew Manganelli?

  How old is this dog?

• 1:09:46David Imel?

  Any day.

• 1:09:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Is he a good boy?

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  I got it. It's Charlie now.

• 1:09:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I think that's a fair prediction.

• 1:09:53Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, Marquez, you had Hasselblad releases a camera and one that shoots AK video.

• 1:09:58Speaker 04

  Or video at all.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:10:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Or video at all. He said, or video at all, but it's AK.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Here's the problem.

• 1:10:05David Imel?

  Everything that you just said.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  I'm looking up the X2D release date. So the X2D came out in September 2022. And I'm pretty sure they promised it would shoot video with a software update and it still doesn't.

• 1:10:17David Imel?

  Yeah, they, yeah.

• 1:10:18Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't remember.

• 1:10:19David Imel?

  The X1D at least had a section on the camera in the software that said video and it said coming soon and it just never.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  It never added. And the X2D, the X2D is the number one camera where I'm like, I don't need it. I don't need it. I don't need it. There is no reason for me to have an X2D.

• 1:10:33David Imel?

  I need.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  But I want it so bad. And I'm like, maybe I could justify it if I could occasionally shoot like handheld video clips on it and I could use them at home or whatever. And I'm fairly sure, even though it came out before 2024, they still never added video. So.

• 1:10:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  I think I failed here. I think they did not announce any cameras with video. And that's just how the world is.

• 1:10:53David Imel?

  They also just got rid of the video section entirely on the next one.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  On the X2D?

• 1:10:57David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  So they didn't even promise it?

• 1:10:58David Imel?

  No.

• 1:10:59Andrew Manganelli?

  They walked back.

• 1:11:00David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:01Andrew Manganelli?

  You don't even get the the hope.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  I was, I think this is more of a like, hope than a prediction.

• 1:11:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  But it didn't come true.

• 1:11:08David Imel?

  Uh huh.

• 1:11:09Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, Ellis, you said holograms.

• 1:11:11Speaker 04

  Okay, so I just want to say, if you're, look, look, look, look, listen, all you haters, all right, look.

• 1:11:20Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  Maybe we haven't seen him in the news, but if you're like me and you're deep in that hologram web community, you would know that the two leading companies, Voxon Photonics has, Voxon Photonics and Light Field Labs have made great developments in their products this year. Voxon Photonics new, I forget what the name of it is, I think they just call it like the Voxon display. It looks great, it has a new housing, you can buy one for $6,800, it's pretty sweet. Uh, Light Field Labs seems a little more and more kind of scammy, but, um, but, but I'm not going to call it because I still have faith, they had a press release a few days

• 1:12:01Speaker 04

  ago, that they just, you can now go see one of their hologram machines at the SETI Institute.

• 1:12:11Speaker 04

  So that's pretty cool.

• 1:12:13David Imel?

  Looking Glass also came out with some products this year. They came out with the like, the one that attaches to your computer and it's like a little side by side display. And they also, uh, you can integrate it with ChatGPT now and it'll talk to you, which is interesting. And it looks like they have like a, like a 3D volumetric picture frame thing now too.

• 1:12:36Speaker 04

  Okay, so, yeah, so I'm not an expert in this, but I'm about to drop my, uh, what little knowledge I have. So the, the CEO of Voxon did this cool interview a little bit ago, where he was like, we gotta start, we gotta drop the word hologram, because holograms refer to this thing like, what I'm, if I understand it correctly, like this, uh, proto display thing, um, that David just mentioned, and if I'm looking at the right thing.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  Glasgow.

• 1:13:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:03Speaker 04

  Which is a hologram, the way we know it, like those things that you like move side to side and it like gives perspectives. You know what I mean? What Voxon and Light Field Labs are developing are called volumetric displays, which is think of a display. But instead of pixels, we have these things called voxels, which are 3D pixels. So they're sort of slightly like this is still pixels, just with like perspective information. The other ones have voxels. Anyway, so while I will concede there were bigger news stories this year. The volumetric display train just keeps on a-rolling.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  Fair enough.

• 1:13:38David Imel?

  True.

• 1:13:39Speaker 01

  How close are we to? Oh, I'm gonna embarrass myself. Is it the first Star Wars that they had Princess Leia in the thing?

• 1:13:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  How close are we to that?

• 1:13:47Speaker 04

  Uh, I don't know. So the big thing right now is both of these companies, it seems like they're these self-contained things. Like think of like a fish tank and then it can exist in there. And then you could walk a full 360 degrees around this thing and you're still still able to see it. But as far as like throwing a projection.

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  That's still pretty specialized.

• 1:14:10Speaker 04

  I don't know if that exists yet.

• 1:14:12David Imel?

  Right. I think a lot of people have not yet figured out totally how to commercialize hologram technology. But there is still a group of very dedicated people who want to make it a reality just because they want to make Star Wars again. You know?

• 1:14:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:26David Imel?

  Like, so that's cool. And I think that will keep advancing over time. So.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:32David Imel?

  Let's go to the next one. We got Andrew.

• 1:14:35Andrew Manganelli?

  I was watching it back and I like, I don't think I ever actually said one, whether I was scared or got caught up in it. Um, I did agree with something David said, which was a major software redesign for the Apple Watch. Like, don't believe that did not.

• 1:14:50David Imel?

  They did have a software redesign.

• 1:14:51Andrew Manganelli?

  It was a software redesign, but it wasn't like major.

• 1:14:54David Imel?

  Yeah, it wasn't major.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, they kind of just tacked on tiles.

• 1:14:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is like a feature. I would not say that came true.

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. We, we thought they would have, everyone thought there would be like a crazy 10th gen new redesign for the whole watch.

• 1:15:07David Imel?

  Well, it got thinner.

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  It got thinner. It looks exactly the same as the last one. It's like, all right, you made it thinner, which is, it's nice.

• 1:15:14David Imel?

  Thinner.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  It's nice that it's thinner.

• 1:15:16David Imel?

  Less.

• 1:15:17Andrew Manganelli?

  I believe.

• 1:15:17Speaker 04

  The exact words we used last year when we were talking about this was a complete redesign of the watch.

• 1:15:22David Imel?

  Complete.

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:22Andrew Manganelli?

  That did not happen.

• 1:15:23Speaker 04

  I don't think that happened.

• 1:15:24David Imel?

  We were picturing like Moto360s and like.

• 1:15:26Andrew Manganelli?

  They hyped it up like it was a complete redesign.

• 1:15:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  They did talk about.

• 1:15:30David Imel?

  From the ground up.

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  The lightest Apple watch we've ever made.

• 1:15:35David Imel?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:15:36Andrew Manganelli?

  And then Adams, which I really liked, he said, we're gonna stray away from transparent tech and get more colors.

• 1:15:45David Imel?

  No, what are you talking about?

• 1:15:46Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 1:15:47David Imel?

  It's been all about transparent tech this year.

• 1:15:49Speaker 04

  What transparent tech came out this year?

• 1:15:51David Imel?

  All of it.

• 1:15:52Andrew Manganelli?

  The ones that already were stayed transparent.

• 1:15:54David Imel?

  We made a whole video about it.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think there's just as much transparent tech as there is new colorful tech.

• 1:15:59Andrew Manganelli?

  And I will argue the colors just continue to get less colorful, it feels like. Bro, I ordered a purple iPad accidentally and thought it was silver for like a week before Adam told me that's purple.

• 1:16:11David Imel?

  So desaturated.

• 1:16:11Speaker 04

  Okay, counterpoint, counterpoint, iPhone 16s, really saturated.

• 1:16:17David Imel?

  There's a number of.

• 1:16:18Speaker 04

  More saturated than they've been.

• 1:16:19David Imel?

  Ultramarine.

• 1:16:20Speaker 04

  Exactly. Rabbit R1, the most orange thing a human being has ever made.

• 1:16:24David Imel?

  CMF.

• 1:16:25Speaker 04

  CMF, no transparent stuff there.

• 1:16:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Get him, Ellis.

• 1:16:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, let's go, let's get him.

• 1:16:30Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm pretty sure every single new iMac is less saturated than the iMac before it.

• 1:16:35David Imel?

  That's.

• 1:16:35Andrew Manganelli?

  From generations, all of the pro iPhones are still just like.

• 1:16:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:40Andrew Manganelli?

  More and more silver, essentially, like, they're like the La Croix of colors. It just doesn't feel like we're getting super colorful.

• 1:16:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:49Andrew Manganelli?

  You make a good point with Rabbit, though. That was a color that essentially broke cameras.

• 1:16:53David Imel?

  You know, we did get a lot of this year.

• 1:16:54Speaker 04

  You are right about the iMacs.

• 1:16:57David Imel?

  You know, we did get a lot of this year that I'm like very glad we got, we got a lot of weird game console stuff. Like, there was, uh, there was, there's always new special editions of the, um.

• 1:17:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Playstation?

• 1:17:09David Imel?

  No, of the.

• 1:17:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Analog Pocket.

• 1:17:11David Imel?

  Analog Pocket, that like Game Boy thing.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:14David Imel?

  They always do new colors and new like fun things, but then we got, we got the Arms Dealer Game Boy this year.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's colorful, too.

• 1:17:22David Imel?

  Yeah, it was, uh, Palmer Lucky's Game Boy.

• 1:17:25Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:17:26David Imel?

  Yeah, so we got an Arms Dealer Game Boy, we got a bunch of new weird amber nick handhelds, which are like the, the weird Chinese rum.

• 1:17:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:17:34Speaker 04

  Is that the stuff that you find on Dead Whale sometimes?

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  You find, wait, what?

• 1:17:38David Imel?

  What?

• 1:17:39Speaker 04

  Adam gets it, you can keep going.

• 1:17:40David Imel?

  Okay, amber?

• 1:17:42Speaker 04

  Ambergris.

• 1:17:43David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  I'm not hanging around.

• 1:17:48David Imel?

  I don't know, it just, it felt, and then um.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  PS5 Pro.

• 1:17:52David Imel?

  And PS, well, yeah, yeah. But Analog also came out, or at least announced its N64 redo this year as well. So yeah, I don't know, there's like a lot of really cool retro.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  Just shoveling nostalgia onto people.

• 1:18:05David Imel?

  They are, they really are. They're like, what if we had what you had in your childhood, but it was metal? And you would pay $400 for it.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, and everyone who did have it during their childhood is very excited about it.

• 1:18:17David Imel?

  Yes.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  And everyone who didn't have during their childhood, at least I'm speaking for some of them, are very confused.

• 1:18:23David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Like, oh, you want a Game Boy again, but more, but more.

• 1:18:27David Imel?

  And you still have to buy the cartridges.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  Okay, cool.

• 1:18:31David Imel?

  To Adam's point, a lot of these things are very colorful. That's, that was my point.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  No, that's fair, yeah.

• 1:18:34Speaker 05

  I wish things were more colorful.

• 1:18:36David Imel?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:18:38Speaker 05

  Cool.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  We could get some transparent stuff though, so.

• 1:18:40David Imel?

  That's true.

• 1:18:41Speaker 05

  Do you want to do our predictions, real quick?

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  I am unprepared, but I will think of one. I will try.

• 1:18:47Speaker 05

  I have one.

• 1:18:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I had one and I forgot it already.

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  Kick us off, if you have one.

• 1:18:50David Imel?

  Start it off.

• 1:18:51Speaker 01

  Hit us.

• 1:18:51Speaker 05

  My prediction is someone will get the AI wearable right.

• 1:18:58David Imel?

  Disagree.

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  Someone will get the AI.

• 1:19:00Andrew Manganelli?

  But, so like, do the Meta Ray-Ban glasses count for that?

• 1:19:03Speaker 05

  That is where my head went to, but not everyone is just walking around wearing Meta Ray-Ban glasses. Like, if you have them, you have them, you love them, I'm sure, I want a pair, but I wouldn't say they're right. I think they're the closest, but I think this year someone will get it right.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  When you, if you define get it right, is that like, it's in the zeitgeist, regular people are buying it?

• 1:19:23Speaker 05

  Like, it's a success. People, people, I wouldn't say people are buying it, but people want it.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  Because there's levels to success. There's AirPods, which is like amazing success, but there's also Tesla Model 3 success. And there's also, you know, Canon or Sony A6000, which is like, in a community that's into this stuff, it's very successful.

• 1:19:42Speaker 05

  I would consider an A6000 to be a complete success.

• 1:19:45David Imel?

  Yeah, I mean, much more successful than even like an A7000.

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  So you probably never see them on the street, but everyone who knows, knows.

• 1:19:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, and everyone who knows wants one.

• 1:19:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:54Speaker 05

  Like, even if it's like, Google pushes a software update to the Pixel Buds, if it's like, the Meta Ray-Bans get significantly more powerful, like, something like that.

• 1:20:01David Imel?

  Do you think Google's gonna release the new glasses that they keep teasing? Yeah, I have so many phones.

• 1:20:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Google Glass 3.

• 1:20:09David Imel?

  Does, does AirPods getting Apple Intelligence count?

• 1:20:13Andrew Manganelli?

  No, because Apple Intelligence isn't there yet.

• 1:20:15David Imel?

  But if it gets it, if there's some amazing Siri talking, translating.

• 1:20:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, if it, if it comes out and it blows everyone away, I will consider that a success.

• 1:20:25David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:20:26David Imel?

  I think that all of the like AI big stuff is just going to like, your expectations need to lower. And then that'll be where it's at in your phone. It'll be like, RIP Google Assistant.

• 1:20:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Pour one out.

• 1:20:47David Imel?

  I miss you. Gemini is just gonna be like doing more stuff and Siri's just gonna do more stuff.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  Is that a cold take?

• 1:20:56David Imel?

  That's definitely gonna happen, right?

• 1:20:58Andrew Manganelli?

  We thought it was gonna happen this year.

• 1:20:59David Imel?

  I don't think there's gonna be a separate wearable that like really takes off. I see.

• 1:21:03Andrew Manganelli?

  But. Well, I can segue into my prediction.

• 1:21:06David Imel?

  Do it.

• 1:21:08Andrew Manganelli?

  So my prediction will either be, I think, right or super wrong. Rabbit R2, I think they survive long enough. But since it's not a subscription base and it is taking compute power for each person that could potentially still be using it. They'll need to release a new one so that they can charge money for it. I don't think it'll be much different. I don't think it will have a lot of success. But I would not be surprised if we get a Rabbit R2.

• 1:21:35David Imel?

  That's a good pick.

• 1:21:36Andrew Manganelli?

  And if we don't, I wouldn't be surprised if that's because Rabbit folded.

• 1:21:40David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of that, you know how Humane recently was like, hey, guys, uh, you can use our OS if you pay us money? Cause they recently were like Cosmos isn't just for the Humane AI pin.

• 1:21:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I miss that.

• 1:21:54David Imel?

  Yeah, this had, this was like three weeks ago.

• 1:21:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:56David Imel?

  They like did this whole press thing being like, we spent so much money and time engineering this AI OS for the AI pin. You could actually use this in like a car or something if you wanted to. And they were basically just trying to vet like people to use them as an AI OS company instead of as an AI hardware company. So I don't know if they're gonna make any sales, but I think Humane gets sold this year.

• 1:22:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I wouldn't be surprised.

• 1:22:25Speaker 01

  Okay, they successfully do what they've been trying to do.

• 1:22:29Speaker 04

  Probably not to HP, but probably to someone else.

• 1:22:32Speaker 01

  To Fisker.

• 1:22:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Will they be sold for more or less than Juan Soto's current contract? Seven hundred and sixty-five million dollars.

• 1:22:41Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:22:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that's actually a great number to be looking at for that.

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it could be less easily. Easily.

• 1:22:51Speaker 04

  But it could be more easily.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  Because their sales, it's like, do you care about the sales or the talent?

• 1:22:55Speaker 04

  No, no, no, you're, yeah, you're acquiring the talent because there is like.

• 1:22:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I guess I said current contract.

• 1:23:00Speaker 04

  Product aside, there are some talented people over there.

• 1:23:02Speaker 01

  The talent's kind of been exposed at this point.

• 1:23:05Speaker 01

  Dang. It's tough, it is tough. They have designers clearly, but they also have a long way to go.

• 1:23:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:10Speaker 01

  That is a good over under.

• 1:23:12Speaker 04

  It's a great over under. I have no idea. I would say five hundred million.

• 1:23:17Speaker 01

  Haven't they raised that much?

• 1:23:18Andrew Manganelli?

  They raised more, four hundred million, I think?

• 1:23:21Speaker 04

  No, I mean, it's, it's hard to know exactly how much they raised because they don't, they don't have to like publicly disclose it, but it seems like estimated they raised in between two hundred and, I'm going to say, three hundred and ten million dollars. So if they could sell for Juan Soto money, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.

• 1:23:39Speaker 01

  That'd be good for them, yeah.

• 1:23:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, you could just around for eight years and net like five hundred mil.

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's just called the roadster, so. Welcome to Silicon Valley. Um, I've come up with a, with a prediction.

• 1:23:54Speaker 04

  Okay, let's hear it.

• 1:23:55Speaker 01

  That I'm excited for. Uh, the browser wars are back.

• 1:23:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 1:24:01Speaker 01

  The browser wars at least heat up again and are interesting because at this point it feels pretty stable. It feels like people who use Safari use Safari, people who use Chrome use Chrome, people who use alt browsers use alt browsers. And there's a little bit of people like sometimes leaving Chrome for, oh, I switched to Arc, you know, there's a couple of people doing the browser dance. But I think maybe with all this antitrust, with some, some Google pressure and maybe with maybe a new search engine or maybe Apple does something interesting with Safari. I think we could see some version of the browser wars heating up, whether it's on desktop or mobile.

• 1:24:33Speaker 04

  Do you think Chrome?

• 1:24:34David Imel?

  Has to be either sold or divested this year.

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  I don't think it has to happen for the browser wars to heat up. But I think, yeah, just something, something happening, whether it's the default search engine being a thing that kind of just gets up for grabs in some major browser. Something happens in 2025. I think that could heat up the browser wars. It could be fun.

• 1:24:54David Imel?

  A lot of people are trying to re-architect what the browser looks like right now.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:58David Imel?

  I think it's a long shot personally, but it'll be interesting to watch.

• 1:25:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. Every once in a while, I open up Safari on the Mac again because it's a laptop. And I'm like, wow, my better life could be so much better.

• 1:25:09David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  And then like an hour later, I'm like, Safari is lame.

• 1:25:14Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  Never mind.

• 1:25:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Firefox, baby.

• 1:25:16Speaker 04

  I've been having the opposite experience where I was like, you know what, Ellis? Like, you're boring. Like, let's try, let's try another browser. And then I was like, Safari has tab groups now. Stay in here, brother.

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, every eight months, they add like an old feature that every other old browser has had. And they go, look at this thing we invented. And everyone goes, all right, Safari is pretty good. Yeah.

• 1:25:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, Ellis is just over the moon.

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  It's good. It's good that they add stuff. Yeah, that's my, that's my prediction.

• 1:25:42David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:25:43Speaker 04

  My prediction, and I've said it before, I'll say it again. Microsoft will not be adding live translations to any product they ship in 2025. You heard it here first.

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  Not even Teams video call.

• 1:25:59Speaker 04

  And you know what? You know what was really awesome? Just to like, just to make sure I had all the facts I needed to make that prediction. I Google, Microsoft adds live translation press release.

• 1:26:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:11Speaker 04

  I found articles from every year for the past five years saying Microsoft's adding live translation.

• 1:26:17Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:26:18Speaker 04

  Every year. It's just, at a certain point, it's like their Christmas party invite. You know what I mean?

• 1:26:23Speaker 01

  Tesla full self-driving.

• 1:26:24Speaker 04

  It's really, anyway, so Microsoft, if, Microsoft, if you're listening, prove me wrong.

• 1:26:28Andrew Manganelli?

  This could be the year.

• 1:26:30Speaker 04

  I will.

• 1:26:30David Imel?

  What are you willing to do if they add it?

• 1:26:32Speaker 04

  Oh. I. Look, I'm a, I'm a man of, of character, of, of good moral character. I will admit that I'm wrong. I will get right up here and I'll sit at the big table in 4K and be like, Microsoft.

• 1:26:45Andrew Manganelli?

  He'll lay across the table.

• 1:26:47Speaker 04

  I didn't believe you, but, uh, you know, I'll, I'll really eat my words in public and, and be willing to be the guy who is wrong. But I just like.

• 1:26:55David Imel?

  Will you shave your head?

• 1:26:56Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 1:26:58David Imel?

  What, what is it?

• 1:26:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Will you take a dab of the bomb?

• 1:27:02David Imel?

  The bomb. While crying.

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  A dab's not that bad. I think you could do that.

• 1:27:06Andrew Manganelli?

  A teaspoon.

• 1:27:07Speaker 04

  I, I will.

• 1:27:08Speaker 01

  I think if a hundred engineers get together and build this impossible thing in the next year, then you should take a dab of the bomb.

• 1:27:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'll, let's, let, I'll, I'll eat something like unbelievably spicy in this room. Uh, I don't know if it'll be a dab of the bomb. I don't know. We, we.

• 1:27:22David Imel?

  While giving your concession speech.

• 1:27:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, no, no, totally. No, no. Well, um, we'll figure out the specifics, but yes. Microsoft, if you're able to do the impossible and make good on your word, that again, you started promising almost 15 years ago at this point. I will melt my taste buds.

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  And if it does not happen, Satya has to do that for you.

• 1:27:43Speaker 04

  If it's.

• 1:27:43Speaker 01

  For sure. He's in on it. He's listening right now, obviously. Yeah.

• 1:27:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. Honestly, Satya, if it doesn't happen, just send me one of the hard hats that you sell with hollow ends and sign it. And like, that's enough for me.

• 1:27:55Speaker 01

  I mean, I've, I have a lot of predictions of things I don't think will happen in 2025, but that's a little more boring.

• 1:27:59David Imel?

  Roadster?

• 1:28:01Speaker 01

  Roadster is not happening in 2025. Cyber Taxi is not happening in 2025. Rebovin is not happening in 2025.

• 1:28:08Speaker 04

  Rebovin's never.

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  Maybe, uh, maybe Jaguar has some interesting predictions around it. Do they ship a car that people buy?

• 1:28:15Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought the whole thing was that it wasn't.

• 1:28:17Speaker 04

  Copy.

• 1:28:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Their release wasn't until 2026 anyways.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, never mind. Yeah.

• 1:28:23David Imel?

  What do you think the Pixel 10 is gonna look like next year?

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a fun one, because we think that the tensor chip finally does the thing.

• 1:28:29David Imel?

  Tensor 5 is supposed to be TSMC based.

• 1:28:31Speaker 01

  That could be good.

• 1:28:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:33Speaker 01

  I want that to be good. I don't, I don't want to fall in the trap of making a prediction of just something I want to happen.

• 1:28:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  That's what I've done before, but this is the year for Pixel 10.

• 1:28:41David Imel?

  Do you think Google will have a big, uh, like splashy redesign of the hardware? Because it's the 10th, the 10th one? Cause the 9 is already very refined, so.

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  I think they do the tick tock strategy of updating the outside, then the inside and the outside. So there, we had this new flat visor thing this year. Outside get updated, but tensor's still tensor. I think Pixel 10, inside gets rejuvenated. Very exciting. I think Pixel 11, outside gets changed again. But that's 2026. I think that's a fair prediction. Yeah. Okay. Well, we should take a break.

• 1:29:18Andrew Manganelli?

  We should.

• 1:29:19Speaker 01

  We should come back. We've talked our faces off. Um, before that, one more trivia question.

• 1:29:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I was thinking really hard at the end of that.

• 1:29:32Speaker 04

  He's worried.

• 1:29:34Speaker 01

  I'm just trying to think if I, I've talked so much here. I was just like, do I have any other predictions?

• 1:29:38Speaker 05

  I have a thing for next, for

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  The next section.

• 1:29:41Speaker 05

  After the ad break.

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:29:42Speaker 05

  It is an optimistic question.

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 1:29:45Speaker 05

  That.

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:29:46Speaker 05

  Question number two. Project Muham. Remember Google Daydream?

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  Don't do I.

• 1:29:53Speaker 05

  When it was announced in May of 2016.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 1:29:57Speaker 05

  Google said that it would be built into the next release of their Android operating system, which was?

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  Oh, I think I know this.

• 1:30:04Speaker 05

  Question mark, question mark, question mark.

• 1:30:07Andrew Manganelli?

  So what operating system?

• 1:30:08Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  I think I know this.

• 1:30:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I always just assume I get these ones wrong.

• 1:30:13Speaker 01

  I have a guess, but yeah.

• 1:30:15Speaker 05

  I will accept the number or the treat that it was named after.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm right unless I'm wrong, in which I was just kidding.

• 1:30:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Same.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  Great hedge. Great hedge. On that note, we'll be right back.

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• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  All right, welcome back. Andrew, you've got two more things to close this out for the whole year. No pressure.

• 1:32:34Andrew Manganelli?

  That was way more pressure than I was expecting. Okay, last year we did worst product of the year. I think we all kind of know a few things we would. We already just made fun of half the worst products of the year. So let's do favorite product of the year. Maybe that's, I'll open it up to this. Favorite product that got released this year or favorite thing, product you bought this year? So I'll let it be a little more open.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  I mean, I have one pretty obvious one that I'm using.

• 1:33:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  It's one right in front of me.

• 1:33:02Andrew Manganelli?

  This is, that's, okay, so what is it first? For audio listeners.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, so for me, it's both. I bought this one and I reviewed this this year. It's the M4 MacBook Pro. It has the nano texture display.

• 1:33:14Andrew Manganelli?

  And how's it holding up?

• 1:33:15Speaker 01

  For those wondering, I mean, I have taken really good care of it and it's holding up fine. It does have a couple little marks on it that aren't coming off. But in general, when I'm looking at it from reasonable angles, it looks fantastic. And I almost like forget that there are things that could be reflecting. Like it looks that good all the time. So it's been incredible. It's super performant. I have all my stuff on it. I got rid of my home Mac Studio and I now plug this into a dock. And so I have all my documents and everything. This computer goes with me everywhere. This is, this is a good one.

• 1:33:52Andrew Manganelli?

  And this is, because you had an M1 before this, correct?

• 1:33:55Speaker 01

  The M1 Max.

• 1:33:56Andrew Manganelli?

  When was the last time you didn't?

• 1:33:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Hop on like the newest, because like you're always pushing that and it's

• 1:34:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:04Andrew Manganelli?

  What I've thought is really impressive about the M series is it got Marques Brownlee to not immediately upgrade and wait, three iterations before actually.

• 1:34:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't need, I mean, again, it's, it was the two main things that I do on my laptop, which is all the everyday around the studio stuff. And then once in a while, I need to edit a video on my laptop. And so I could use a MacBook Air, I could use any laptop for 99% of the stuff, but it's for, oh, I will also need to go to the Apple event and edit the entire video in the hotel room while I'm there. That two, three times a year thing requires a powerful machine with a high resolution display. And, and I went with the 14 inch laptop this time. Hopefully that doesn't come back to bite me. I have not edited a video on it yet, but I think I can. And I can mess with the window sizes and do my coloring and probably get it done. So I, it's been awesome for the 99%. I'm waiting for having to edit a video,

• 1:34:57Speaker 01

  but it's been phenomenal. What about for the 1%?

• 1:35:00Andrew Manganelli?

  The 1% of things where I'm just editing a video?

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  Well, you said it's awesome for the 99%.

• 1:35:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, the 99% is all the daily activities that are not editing videos.

• 1:35:07Speaker 01

  I was trying to make like a really wealthy people joke.

• 1:35:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Sorry.

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Sorry.

• 1:35:12Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 1:35:13Andrew Manganelli?

  So great laptop. Came out this year. I bought one this year. It's good.

• 1:35:16Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:35:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:18Speaker 01

  Mine is the Anbournic RG35SP, which is a Gimboy Events SP clone ROM machine. And I had a lot of fun with it. I got to, this year I played a lot of games from my childhood that I like never finished because my attention span was too short. And I actually finished them. So that was good. And it would cost me like $40. So it was a pretty good, pretty good purchase. I also want to shout out the PixelBuds Pro 2, because I have fully switched over to them. I really like them. They also have a nice mint color.

• 1:35:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Mint.

• 1:35:56Speaker 01

  Which is cool. I really like that they have.

• 1:36:01David Imel?

  They have dual, what do they call it? When the Bluetooth can connect to multiple devices? Oh, multi-point? Yeah, a multi-point Bluetooth, which in my opinion, if you don't have an iPad and you have a computer and a phone, because it connects to two things, that's like all I need. And it is like more stable than the H2 chip in my AirPods Pro was before then. I like the shape more. Um, yeah, I like them a lot. They're cool. Sweet.

• 1:36:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I think mine is a keyboard, obviously. But I think a keyboard that's more suited towards the gamer, the person out there that doesn't want to build it. There's the ZenBlade 65. It is a Hall effect keyboard, which has been super popular this year. But it's a Hall effect keyboard that has a great build quality and stock feels and sounds very good. I think if you wanted to upgrade it, all you would have to do is buy a nice set of keycaps and maybe lube the stabilizers, which you can do without taking the whole thing apart. Other than that, great build quality Hall effect is really awesome for gaming. And if you get the silver one, which I think is the only version, and you get the silver MKBHD escape key, it matches chef's kiss.

• 1:37:14David Imel?

  Looks great. The black logo.

• 1:37:15Andrew Manganelli?

  The black logo, yeah.

• 1:37:17David Imel?

  Sick.

• 1:37:18Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like $300 still, but most gaming keyboards are like $200, $300 at this point. Especially Hall effect, it feels like.

• 1:37:25David Imel?

  What about you guys?

• 1:37:25Speaker 05

  Uh, mine is the Marvel Unlimited subscription. I got really into like reading comics this year and just having that like backlog of comics to go through has been awesome. Like anytime that you're just bored sitting on the subway or something, you just whip that out and read for a bit. It's pretty cool.

• 1:37:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Alice?

• 1:37:46Speaker 04

  I don't know. There wasn't really a lot. I mean, Fisher Pro is cool, but I would never, I would never buy that.

• 1:37:52David Imel?

  You got your keyboard.

• 1:37:55Speaker 04

  That didn't really come out this year.

• 1:37:56David Imel?

  Yeah, but you got it this year.

• 1:37:57Speaker 04

  That's true. I do like that thing a lot, but my, the piano I have at home, but even that thing has some, some flaws. I was gonna say Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024, but it's unplayable garbage. So I would actually change my answer to Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020.

• 1:38:14David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:14Speaker 04

  Which is an unbelievably terrific experience.

• 1:38:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool. And I'm assuming way cheaper now.

• 1:38:22Speaker 04

  I have Game Pass, so I couldn't tell you. But I can't wait till 2024 works, because then I will switch. But until then, I'll be stuck on 2020.

• 1:38:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Awesome. Cool. One more thing to wrap it up. This worked well last year. We want to do our favorite soundbite of the year. Soundbites, again, they're, they're in our shows a lot, but I don't think people understand how much we play them in the, this room.

• 1:38:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:49Andrew Manganelli?

  It's probably 10 times more than it is on the, the podcast, but I think a bunch of us have some favorite ones. Whether they were this year or not will be very hard to remember. Do you want to throw us through a couple of greatest hits from this year? Or do you have a few?

• 1:39:03Speaker 05

  Sure. Yeah. I mean, we could start off with the classic that made it on this year that I don't think will ever leave, and it is this one.

• 1:39:10Andrew Manganelli?

  That's, that's fine.

• 1:39:11Speaker 05

  That's.

• 1:39:12Andrew Manganelli?

  That's what I wrote down.

• 1:39:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:39:13Andrew Manganelli?

  It's, it's.

• 1:39:15David Imel?

  Do people know what that is?

• 1:39:16Andrew Manganelli?

  It's David making like a party.

• 1:39:18David Imel?

  Making a party.

• 1:39:18Speaker 05

  Wait, can you recreate it right now perfectly?

• 1:39:21David Imel?

  It's gonna be so much worse.

• 1:39:22Speaker 05

  Try it.

• 1:39:22David Imel?

  This is, it only happens when you don't try.

• 1:39:25Speaker 05

  You can't do a magic trick twice. You just gotta do it once.

• 1:39:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:27Speaker 05

  Once or it's luck.

• 1:39:28David Imel?

  Everybody goes.

• 1:39:28Speaker 05

  Twice or it's luck.

• 1:39:29David Imel?

  Yeah. I could do it perfectly. I just don't feel like.

• 1:39:33Speaker 05

  Also, shout out to the people that also watch the studio channel and noticed that Ellis put that in that.

• 1:39:38David Imel?

  Did people notice?

• 1:39:39Speaker 05

  Section. Yeah.

• 1:39:39Andrew Manganelli?

  That's the reason why I think it's my favorite. It expanded outside of the podcast. Did you only use it in studio? Was it in a main channel at all?

• 1:39:50Speaker 04

  No, it's never been on the main channel.

• 1:39:52David Imel?

  Yet.

• 1:39:54David Imel?

  Smart phone or words intro?

• 1:39:57David Imel?

  I just sit down with a suit on.

• 1:39:58Andrew Manganelli?

  So that was my favorite. I was pretty sure you were gonna play it. It was a great one.

• 1:40:02Speaker 05

  Then there is also this, I don't remember this was this year either, but personally, it's one of my favorite. I just don't get to use it a lot.

• 1:40:09David Imel?

  Do you have birds?

• 1:40:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I got birds, boy. That was this year, yeah.

• 1:40:13David Imel?

  That was this year?

• 1:40:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I believe so, because I think I got the bird feeder this year, yeah.

• 1:40:17David Imel?

  Bird buddy. Do you still have birds?

• 1:40:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I need to find a new way to stake it into my ground and I've been very distracted. I need to get it up again.

• 1:40:26David Imel?

  It's also freezing outside.

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  Maybe you could use a pork chop.

• 1:40:28David Imel?

  There's still birds, but it's.

• 1:40:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Pork chop?

• 1:40:30David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:31Andrew Manganelli?

  What?

• 1:40:33David Imel?

  He staked it into the ground.

• 1:40:34Speaker 04

  My favorite soundbite of this year was not in an actual episode because Andrew said it while we were sound checking, but Andrew dropped this bad boy on us a few months ago.

• 1:40:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Quees.

• 1:40:50David Imel?

  Nice. I thought it was maybe something crazy.

• 1:40:53Andrew Manganelli?

  I was very worried.

• 1:40:53Speaker 05

  What did we say?

• 1:40:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I rewatched last year and the majority of them were.

• 1:40:56Speaker 04

  I have, I have plenty of crazy ones, like, like, I don't even know what this one is. We have so many crazy wave four moments. Like, do you remember this? I'm not making up a frittata.

• 1:41:08David Imel?

  Yes, vividly.

• 1:41:11Andrew Manganelli?

  That was.

• 1:41:12David Imel?

  That was my favorite.

• 1:41:12Andrew Manganelli?

  That was one of the best episodes.

• 1:41:15David Imel?

  What? So that was, was that the trivia episode?

• 1:41:18Speaker 04

  It was 215. I don't remember what that was. I just remember talking about oof, coo, coo.

• 1:41:21David Imel?

  I was gone that week because I remember I came back and you guys kept reciting it. I was like, what are you talking about?

• 1:41:26Andrew Manganelli?

  It was a trivia question.

• 1:41:27Speaker 05

  I think it was a question.

• 1:41:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:41:29David Imel?

  And then everyone said you didn't know what a frittata is. And I was like, really?

• 1:41:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, well, yeah.

• 1:41:34David Imel?

  Yeah. That's fine.

• 1:41:35Andrew Manganelli?

  I know.

• 1:41:36David Imel?

  Wait. That's fine. I mean.

• 1:41:37Andrew Manganelli?

  This is very off track. Do you remember when you pinged everyone on our Discord to ask them if they knew what a plum was?

• 1:41:43Speaker 04

  But that was, that was not 2020.

• 1:41:45Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, it was not. It just feels like the.

• 1:41:48David Imel?

  Have we told people about that? What I?

• 1:41:50Andrew Manganelli?

  It's the only time in our Discord at everyone has ever been pinged and we were just having a debate on if people knew what plums were.

• 1:41:57Speaker 01

  Look, I needed data. I needed a sample size. And A, listen, some people, so we were talking about it in the studio.

• 1:42:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  And somehow fruits came up and then plums came up. And I think someone said, I don't think I've ever eaten a plum. And someone else was like, what do you mean you've never eaten a plum?

• 1:42:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:42:13Speaker 01

  Everyone's had a plum. And then the debate was like, wait, no, plums are not a common fruit. So then we had this whole like, have you ever had a plum before? A lot of people I know have never had a plum before, blah, blah. And we had to figure it out. So I went to the Discord and I said, at all.

• 1:42:25Andrew Manganelli?

  At everyone.

• 1:42:26Speaker 01

  At everyone. I need to know if you even know what a plum is.

• 1:42:31Speaker 04

  And then what did you do?

• 1:42:32Speaker 01

  And then I hit send.

• 1:42:33Speaker 04

  And then?

• 1:42:34Speaker 01

  And then I just like the Joker just just walked away from the experience.

• 1:42:38Speaker 04

  Exactly. You closed Discord and walked away.

• 1:42:41Speaker 01

  But we got a ton of answers and I think it was close to 50 50 too.

• 1:42:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, it actually was.

• 1:42:45Speaker 01

  There was actually like a reasonable like position in that debate, which is plums are not very common, but some people find it crazy that they're not there.

• 1:42:51Speaker 04

  They're delicious though.

• 1:42:52Speaker 01

  They're great. They're great. If you made it this far in the episode, comment if you've had a plum before.

• 1:42:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Or if you know what a plum is.

• 1:42:59Speaker 01

  Or if you don't even know what a plum is. That'd be great. Uh, yeah, well, you know, here's, here's to another year of waveform and great sound bites and hopefully learning about egg dishes and all sorts of fruits we've never heard of.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  Thank you for watching and listening and making this year possible. I think the only thing left to do is end with trivia.

• 1:43:22Andrew Manganelli?

  There was a conversation that somehow went from cannibalism into.

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  It was David.

• 1:43:37Speaker 04

  Question number one. Which of the following cities has Samsung unpacked never been held in? A, Seoul, South Korea. Yeah, South Korea. I don't know why. You can just say Korea. Sorry, guys.

• 1:43:49Speaker 01

  South Korea.

• 1:43:51Speaker 04

  Two, B, Barcelona, Spain. I don't know why I said two. I'm really losing it here. Three, Tampa, Tampa, Tampa, Tampa, Singapore. Or D, Amsterdam, Netherlands. My last brain cell is like barely hanging on today. I don't know what's happening.

• 1:44:09Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm doing the thing where I think I'm answering the trick question.

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Which always means I am wrong.

• 1:44:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. That means I'm wrong too.

• 1:44:15Speaker 04

  But are you right?

• 1:44:18Speaker 05

  Sounds like we're, oh.

• 1:44:19David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:44:19Speaker 05

  We all picked different things.

• 1:44:21David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:44:22Speaker 05

  Okay, well, I said Seoul, which is funny because Samsung's headquartered there, so I figured that would be a funny non-answer.

• 1:44:28David Imel?

  Last year they did.

• 1:44:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. And that was their first one in Korea.

• 1:44:32Speaker 05

  Oh, that's the one I didn't go to.

• 1:44:33David Imel?

  And two years ago, they did in Paris.

• 1:44:35Speaker 05

  I'll say why I picked this as a trick question. I said Barcelona because I assumed it was MWC, not Unpacked.

• 1:44:42David Imel?

  It was.

• 1:44:43Speaker 01

  Well, there was an Unpacked at MWC.

• 1:44:44Speaker 04

  So.

• 1:44:45Speaker 05

  It was Samsung at MWC.

• 1:44:46Speaker 04

  Samsung has been referring to their event as Unpacked, uh, since long before it was its standalone event. Like, they referred to their MWC thing as Unpacked.

• 1:44:55Speaker 01

  I went to that one.

• 1:44:56Speaker 05

  That's kind of why I assumed that was more on that one.

• 1:44:58David Imel?

  I put Amsterdam.

• 1:45:00Speaker 04

  Amsterdam is correct. It has never made it to Amsterdam. Um, and I just want to say, on the theme of tech companies writing their own blogs and spreading misinformation about themselves in these blogs, Samsung, you have two blog posts, one of which says that the very first Galaxy Unpacked was in Las Vegas in 2010. And you have another blog post that says the very first Unpacked was in Singapore in 2009. So, make up your mind, I guess, like.

• 1:45:28David Imel?

  Damn.

• 1:45:29Speaker 05

  Quick update underscore. Marquez with one. Andrew with one, two.

• 1:45:36Speaker 04

  He's carrying it, folks.

• 1:45:37Speaker 05

  Zero, while Marquez carries the one.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  We got it.

• 1:45:41Speaker 05

  David in the lead with three after that correct question.

• 1:45:43David Imel?

  Chill, slow down. Call me Wolverine with my three claws.

• 1:45:46Speaker 05

  Shh, he's got six, but sure. So, remember Google Daydream?

• 1:45:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:52Speaker 05

  Hmm. Which operating system was it built into first after it was announced in May of 2016?

• 1:46:00David Imel?

  But there's a difference between going down like this and going like down like that, you know?

• 1:46:06Speaker 01

  Well, they have jets attached to them.

• 1:46:07David Imel?

  Yeah, so the jets like, you know, push them forward. And as long as the force pushing them forward is higher than gravity.

• 1:46:14Speaker 01

  It's like a fish swimming through water. Yes, gravity's pulling the fish down, but there's a certain force holding the fish up.

• 1:46:19Speaker 05

  And how do boats?

• 1:46:20Speaker 01

  The water.

• 1:46:20David Imel?

  They're holder value.

• 1:46:24Andrew Manganelli?

  That was a soundbite, by the way.

• 1:46:26David Imel?

  Yeah, no, no.

• 1:46:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Audio listeners.

• 1:46:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:28Speaker 01

  Shareholder value. I still get people tweeting at me that say, but how do boats work, David?

• 1:46:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Shareholder value.

• 1:46:34Speaker 01

  Shareholder.

• 1:46:34Speaker 05

  Flip 'em and read. What do we got?

• 1:46:38Speaker 05

  Oof.

• 1:46:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Very close.

• 1:46:41Speaker 05

  David?

• 1:46:41Speaker 01

  I said nougat.

• 1:46:43Speaker 05

  Correct.

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  I said seven.

• 1:46:47Speaker 05

  Correct. Andrew?

• 1:46:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I said seven nougat. I said nine.

• 1:46:52Speaker 01

  Wrong.

• 1:46:53Andrew Manganelli?

  I meant no, that's not right.

• 1:46:55Speaker 01

  With our powers combined, Marquez, we could know any question.

• 1:46:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I was like, I looked at nougat, I was like, that's seven. Oh, that's seven, seven, great.

• 1:47:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:47:03Speaker 01

  But thanks for sticking with us. Many more trivia questions, many more episodes, many more fun news topics and things coming up in 2025. Wow, this feels weird to say that out loud, 2025, right around the corner. We'll see you then. Bye.

• 1:47:19Speaker 05

  See you next year.

• 1:47:21Speaker 01

  Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch.

• 1:47:22Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm the dad, I'm supposed to make this see you next year joke.

• 1:47:25Speaker 05

  Guys, I have an announcement.

• 1:47:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Cut it. No outro, no nothing.

• 1:47:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Waveform is produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Rovin. We're a partner of Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro music was created by Vane Sil.

• 1:47:52Speaker 01

  Bingo. Let's go 2024.

• 1:47:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Let's go 2025.

• 1:47:56Speaker 01

  2025.