Pod Insights Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast CES 2025: the Good, the Bad, the Ugly About this episode We're back! After a nice break for the holiday Marques, Andrew, and David waste no time getting right back into the newest gadgets and announcements. With Ellis and Adam both out sick, Mariah is in control of the producer table so you know it's going to be a good one. First, everyone gives a quick update on what they did over the break before venting about Qi2 wireless charging in upcoming Android phones. Then it's all about CES where they talk about everything from weird vacuum robots to the new Nvidia announcements and even some new wonky screens from LG! After that, it's all about the cars of CES including Afeela, Faraday Future, and even Honda. Of course, we wrap everything up with some trivia. Enjoy!
Links:
MKBHD - OnePlus 13 Review
CNET - Nvidia CES in 12 Minutes
Verge - Nvidia Digits
Verge - Nvidia RTX 5090
9to5Google - Qi2 article
Linus Tech Tips - Nvidia RTX 5090 demo
Verge - Tracking Microsoft tricks
Tony Statovci - Bing Short
Tom’s Guide - Microsoft copies Google
Tom’s Guide - StanByME 2 Hands-On
Verge - Dell Kills XPS
Verge - New Bird Buddy Cameras
Motor Authority - Faraday Future Prototypes
Electrive - Faraday Future sold 10 cars
Car and Driver - Afeela
Verge - New LG lamps
PC Gamer - Ducky keyboard
Verge - AutoKeybo Short
Verge - Honda Zero
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1:19 Speaker 01 That's J-I-R-A dot com. It's 2025. We are back.
1:25 Andrew Manganelli? I wrote "Feeling Fresh" after our first break, but two of the five people are missing, so how fresh could we really be?
1:31 Speaker 01 We're feeling fresh. We are halfway back.
1:39 Speaker 01 Yo, what is going on, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. It's 2025. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
1:47 Andrew Manganelli? I'm Andrew.
1:48 Speaker 01 And I'm David. And, okay, so we're mostly back. Ellis and Adam are both a little sick, taking a little bit of time to get better, rightfully. So, at the desk today, Mariah, producing. She has all of the buttons. She has all the trivia questions. It's gonna be a good time.
2:07 Andrew Manganelli? They're already on.
2:09 Speaker 01 I'm ready. Thank you, Mariah. Yeah, wow, we have a kind of a mix of things because we took a little bit of time off. So there's been a stuff piling up that we want to talk about. A little bit of CES stuff, I should say, a lot of CES.
2:21 Andrew Manganelli? It's mostly CES stuff.
2:22 Speaker 01 That's, that's happening now and that's a lot of, it's a lot of stuff, but it's like a lot of empty calories. It's like just headline after headline after headline, new stuff, new stuff, new stuff. We'll talk about some of it, but what'd you guys get into over break? Did you have any fun, anything, any stories you wanted to tell?
2:38 Andrew Manganelli? I have a New Year's Day story that is tech related. And if you follow me on Blue Sky, might have physically or digitally seen me pulling my hair out.
2:49 Speaker 01 Oh, I know.
2:49 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, so I spent my entire.
2:53 Speaker 01 Not, no, I probably do.
2:55 Andrew Manganelli? I'm pretty sure you do.
2:56 Speaker 01 I probably do.
2:58 Andrew Manganelli? I spent my entire New Year's Day because over break Claire and I noticed that our Google Home, when you asked it the time or the weather, would not respond. And it wasn't like the, I can't help you with that now. It would just spin, like spin or light up and just like play the animation and nothing would happen. So at first I was like, I'm way too busy, whatever. New Year's Day, when you have a one year old, you're in bed way before midnight the night before. So New Year's Day isn't, is just another day.
3:27 Speaker 01 Until the ball drop.
3:28 Andrew Manganelli? Not even remotely. If I made it to 10pm, I'd be surprised.
3:32 Speaker 01 Okay.
3:34 Andrew Manganelli? So New Year's Day, I'm like, I'm going to fix this. I have a pretty chill day. It can't be that hard.
3:40 Andrew Manganelli? Long story short, it was very hard. And I wound up flipping the breaker on my entire house. I reset every Google Home I had. I disconnected every single smart home device from my network and re-added them all in, nothing.
3:58 Speaker 01 Why was it so important to get you? Google homeworking.
4:01 Andrew Manganelli? Cause the weather is like one of the things I ask my Google. It's so nice. Yeah, I can, but like when I'm getting changed in the morning, like after the shower, it's way easier to say, what's the weather? Do I need?
4:13 Speaker 01 Part of the routine.
4:14 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it's part of the routine for sure.
4:16 Speaker 03 I flip the breaker of my house every morning when I get up too, just to make sure I can check the weather.
4:20 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, no, no, no, I, I, that was the one time thing to try and fix everything. Yeah.
4:25 Speaker 01 Tech support.
4:25 Andrew Manganelli? But long story short, and the, the moral of this story is in tech, when something is wrong, always check the simplest version of the problem. And what I did after doing all of these stupid things for hours and hours is I went on my phone and I disconnected it from the wifi and I asked it the weather and it did the same thing, which meant it had nothing to do with my devices or my internet, which meant that it was a Google issue. So then I spent the rest of the day adding all of my smart home devices back onto my account. And then the next day I get tagged in like 30 different times from different articles. That's like Google's having some sort of issue only doing the weather and the time.
5:09 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
5:10 Andrew Manganelli? It was only those specific things. So, yeah, there's a million things that went through my head of what could have been wrong.
5:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:16 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. It was Google's.
5:18 Speaker 01 This is the reason every support person is like, sir, is your computer on?
5:22 Andrew Manganelli? 100%. Is the monitor plugged in?
5:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:25 Andrew Manganelli? Is it lying on the ground?
5:27 Speaker 01 That probably is the issue like 60% of the time.
5:30 Andrew Manganelli? It, it, I did very little like tech support and it's almost always the like, turn it back on.
5:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, turn it off, turn it back on. It works most of the time. Well, I'm sorry for you and I hope you can now ask the weather to your robot.
5:43 Andrew Manganelli? I can. And they tell me that it is very cold.
5:46 Speaker 01 New Jersey.
5:47 Andrew Manganelli? It is very cold.
5:48 Speaker 01 It's cold. It just says, it's cold. It's definitely cold.
5:51 Andrew Manganelli? It cold.
5:51 Speaker 03 Wow. That's how you started your year?
5:53 Andrew Manganelli? That's how I started my year.
5:54 Speaker 03 What happens the rest of the year for you?
5:57 Speaker 01 I. Many more days.
5:59 Andrew Manganelli? If it happens again, I will be throwing all of my Google stuff out of the window. I can tell, I can guarantee that.
6:05 Speaker 01 Just Google it first. Make sure it's not.
6:06 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
6:07 Speaker 01 You know, a server side issue.
6:08 Andrew Manganelli? Dang.
6:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, I had a fun, I had a weird story that was, it wasn't supposed to be a story, but it turned out to be a story. Which was I, I sold my Cybertruck. I don't know if you saw the headlines.
6:20 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
6:20 Speaker 01 Now, I.
6:21 Andrew Manganelli? Why are there headlines?
6:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, this is the thing. So I've, I, you guys knew and a lot of people who follow the channels know I had both a Cybertruck and a Rivian R1T. And we got them, we ordered them around the same time, not knowing which would show up first. And we were going to use them for our car videos, for the tow hitch rig, for the stuff that we set up and get rollers of cars for. And we still use them for that. And I mean, I, they're kind of the, they're the same thing. They're both a big expensive electric truck. So I don't need both of them.
6:49 David Imel? Yeah.
6:49 Speaker 01 So I was trying to decide which one we're going to keep. And at one point I realized that the Cybertruck had been sitting in the garage for like a month. And I was just using the Rivian for all the things I was normally using it for and for the tow hitch stuff. And for any like picking up stuff, I was like, okay, I think we've made our choice. It's, it's the Rivian that I prefer. And so started the process of selling a Cybertruck, found a private seller, sold it. So I posted an Instagram story, sold the Cybertruck, just for the people who knew that we were still picking. And now you know which one I picked. Within 12 hours of that, there were like CBS News headlines that Mark, that this influencer had picked, you know, over Elon Musk's precious Cybertruck.
7:33 Speaker 01 And there were all these reactions from Tesla fans and, you know, I, I only posted the Instagram story. There wasn't really any context, so I eventually updated people on like why I picked the Rivian. There's, they're very similar trucks. I like a lot of things about each of them, but I picked the Rivian. The funny part about that was one of the headlines was that, oh, Marquez and Elon unfollowed each other on, on Twitter.
7:56 Andrew Manganelli? The way I saw it was our subreddit said, Marquez unfollowed Elon. And then
8:03 Speaker 01 Some others.
8:04 Andrew Manganelli? I think on Blue Sky I saw, which then I went onto Twitter to see was Elon unfollowed Marquez.
8:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:09 Andrew Manganelli? And so I think I came in the morning and be like, saw that unfollowing thing. Sorry, that's like blowing up.
8:15 Speaker 01 Yeah. And I, the funny thing is I didn't unfollow Elon at all. I woke up to find that my account had unfollowed.
8:24 Andrew Manganelli? What?
8:25 Speaker 01 What I assume happened was, you know how you can like, if someone's like going a little nuts.
8:29 David Imel? As a follower.
8:30 Speaker 01 Or you can like block and unblock, sort of soft unfollow, so they don't know that they unfollowed you.
8:35 David Imel? Does that force them to unfollow you?
8:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, if you block someone, they can't follow you anymore. So if you like block them and unblock them, they'll stop seeing your stuff.
8:42 Andrew Manganelli? Cause there's no notification that you got blocked.
8:44 David Imel? Wait, so our. Did he block you?
8:47 Speaker 01 So I was following you. He tweets a ton and I don't really have any like political follows. Like I tweet, I follow people who I want to see their stuff and I don't follow people who I don't want to see their stuff. So Elon is tweeting a lot. I don't know if you noticed. It was getting close where I was like, do I mute him? I still want to see like the important stuff, but there's just too much stuff now. And then when I saw that, I was like, wait, yeah, I just realized I haven't seen any Elon stuff in like a couple of days. So I assume he like did something, either block and unblocked or like.
9:18 David Imel? Well, so now they changed the block, how the block thing works so that you can still see their content. If you go to their profile, you just can't engage with it. So maybe he is still blocking you?
9:28 Speaker 01 My theory is, no, he didn't block me. Well, I'm not blocked now. My theory is he just went block, unblock so that I'm no longer following the account.
9:35 Andrew Manganelli? So if I do like.
9:36 Speaker 01 You're blocked?
9:37 Andrew Manganelli? Only if you catch it in the time that it's happening. So like if I go to you right now.
9:42 Speaker 03 Could you block him real quick?
9:44 Speaker 01 Can you block me?
9:45 Andrew Manganelli? Block you? Alright, so now if you go to my page.
9:49 Speaker 01 It doesn't say anything.
9:50 Andrew Manganelli? No, it says, no, it says Andrew McAnally has blocked you. So now if I unblock you.
9:54 Speaker 01 Then I won't be following you anymore.
9:58 Andrew Manganelli? But you're not following me anymore.
9:59 Speaker 01 Yeah. Cool, cool, cool. So look.
10:02 Andrew Manganelli? No confirmation, that's what happened.
10:04 Speaker 01 No confirmation. I'm just saying, I just noticed that I had not, I wasn't seeing this stuff anymore. I don't know how personally that guy is taking me selling my Cybertruck, but uh, long story short, um, yeah, the Rivian is, is pretty good at all the things we use it for. I miss things about the Cybertruck. Don't get it wrong. I miss the larger second row, the larger bed, the way better speakers, the four four-wheel steering. There's a lot of things that are better about the Cybertruck, but there are also things that are better about the Rivian, including being smaller and more nimble, parking in New York City with that thing. I have, I like the design better. I like the gear tunnel better. I like a lot of the materials and the build and finish better. So there's things on each side, but I picked one and that was that. But that was, uh, that was what happened over break for me. So.
10:45 David Imel? Everyone dramatizes everything now.
10:47 Speaker 01 That's a fact.
10:47 David Imel? You don't want to read about that?
10:49 Speaker 01 It's a fact.
10:50 Andrew Manganelli? Because it's not a story. I wish.
10:53 Speaker 01 Well, the story was like, once the Twitter drama happened, then it's a story for them.
10:57 Andrew Manganelli? The funny thing is, it wasn't even Twitter drama, because you didn't even do anything.
11:00 Speaker 01 Yep, yep.
11:02 Andrew Manganelli? It's Twitter drama that happened to you.
11:04 Speaker 01 Manufactured, I would say.
11:06 Andrew Manganelli? But here we are.
11:07 David Imel? Well, my break was much less dramatic than both of yours.
11:10 Speaker 01 Nice.
11:10 David Imel? Um, I just went to California and I went to my rattlesnake den that I grew up in.
11:16 Speaker 01 What does that mean?
11:17 David Imel? On top of.
11:17 Speaker 01 Not a literal rattlesnake den.
11:19 Andrew Manganelli? No.
11:19 David Imel? What is a rattlesnake den? So.
11:23 David Imel? Yeah, I told you guys how Chuck Yeager, like, ruined my childhood, right? The guy that broke the sound barrier.
11:29 Speaker 01 I vaguely remember some of, and like, the street has changed names now or something?
11:34 David Imel? My mom named it, and then he bought my road, and then he renamed it to Chuck Yeager Road.
11:38 Speaker 01 Oh.
11:39 David Imel? Yeah, anyway, that road, at the top of the road, on the top of the mountain, is a rattlesnake den that my parents did not know was a rattlesnake den when they built the house on top of it.
11:47 Speaker 01 An actual rattlesnake.
11:48 David Imel? An actual rattlesnake den.
11:50 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, okay.
11:50 David Imel? So like, we just had tons of rattlesnakes all the time. Regardless, I went back there, haven't been there since I was like 15, and I was really afraid of getting shot, because there was lots of signs that were like, "Do not come here," like, "Back off," like, all this stuff, because it's in the middle of nowhere. But I went up to the house and I knocked on the door, and a very nice lady let me in. She's like, "Yeah, this lot was just sitting here for like, four years. We bought it from a bank for like, nothing, and then they remodeled it, and it was cute, and it was weird."
12:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:21 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just imagining growth.
12:23 Speaker 01 The house that you grew up in.
12:25 David Imel? Yeah.
12:25 Speaker 01 I've thought about doing that.
12:26 David Imel? It was crazy, because I haven't been there since I was like, 14, which means more than half my life, I have not been associated with that area, so it feels like I watched, it feels like a long time ago, I watched a movie that was my childhood.
12:41 Speaker 01 You know, I might have told you guys this already, but a very high percentage of the dreams that I have take place in the house I grew up in.
12:50 Andrew Manganelli? Really?
12:50 Speaker 01 Ninety-plus percent.
12:51 Andrew Manganelli? Elementary school.
12:52 Speaker 01 In the school?
12:53 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just like, wandering the halls, and I want to go back to my old school so bad, and just like, walk the halls and see what it's like, but I'm gonna get arrested if I do, so.
13:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, don't do that. Without being announced, probably don't do that.
13:03 David Imel? Don't do that, please. I did go to my high school because I brought a friend with me and I wanted to show her like everything about my childhood. So I showed her my high school, but it was not open when we went. It was on a weekend.
13:15 Speaker 01 But you could still get in.
13:15 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, you went in.
13:16 David Imel? Well, it's there's no inside really. It's like an outdoor.
13:19 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah.
13:22 Speaker 03 It's like living in a movie.
13:24 Speaker 01 Yes, I don't know if visiting the house would like solve that or what, but I've driven past it a few times.
13:29 David Imel? Does that still happens to you, the dreams?
13:31 Speaker 01 To this day, ninety something percent of the dreams that I have are either in my bedroom, on the stairs between the bedroom and the kitchen, or in just around that house.
13:40 Speaker 03 You should keep like a dream journal where you wake up and you write it all down.
13:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:44 Speaker 03 And then we analyze it on the podcast next week.
13:47 Speaker 01 One of them recently was on the block of the house. It wasn't in the house, but it was like I rode my bike down that block a lot.
13:53 David Imel? Dang.
13:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, anyway.
13:54 David Imel? Yeah, so yeah, mine was fairly undramatic. I sailed around San Francisco, around the bay on a sailboat. It was really cool. I couldn't go to Lake Tahoe because the pass was snowed over, but and I told you guys this before the podcast started. I started the screen time thing on my phone to see how much time I was going to use my phone every day and it was like twenty four minutes a day.
14:14 Andrew Manganelli? That's crazy.
14:14 David Imel? Which was incredible. It was just my brain was healed.
14:17 Andrew Manganelli? Mine was the opposite.
14:20 Andrew Manganelli? I had to get those forty five wins in Pokemon the card game and that took a lot of screen time. And I did do it, though.
14:26 Speaker 01 Oh, speaking of phones, so I did review the OnePlus thirteen. I really like that phone a lot. There's a lot of good things about it. The the main pillars of the review are that there are three things about that phone that are really, really good, but are trends and that are going to be really, really good about a lot of phones in twenty twenty five. The Snapdragon eight Elite is amazing. Great battery, great high end performance, great gaming.
14:48 David Imel? Was it overheating at all?
14:49 Speaker 01 Never.
14:50 David Imel? No?
14:50 Speaker 01 No issues at all. So I marked that as a win for that chip. The six thousand milliamp hour battery, the carbon, what are we calling it? Silicon carbon battery. Again, awesome. Like the battery in that phone, obviously having a lot of capacity is great, but it also managed the battery great. Could not kill it in a day, not even if I tried. I had like a day where I drove back and forth home and then picked my parents up from the airport and came back in like high brightness. Waze Navigation, the whole time streaming Bluetooth, like five hours of Waze Navigation for the day.
15:20 Andrew Manganelli? Waze Navigation with not plugging in feels.
15:23 Speaker 01 That feels like you're trying to kill your phone.
15:25 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it feels.
15:26 Speaker 01 Cause I was, I was like, I will not plug this phone in. And I got to the end of the day, it was like, yeah, no problem. Forty-four percent, ready to go. So, battery amazing, chip amazing, and then the screen, like, we've seen this for like the past year or so, but it's gonna keep happening. You're gonna get phones with like four thousand nits peak brightness in HDR and like fifteen hundred nits of full screen brightness and high brightness mode. Great screen. I could, I could see it all the time outside, no matter what I tried to do. So, I love that phone. It has also like nailed the other fundamentals. There's some weird quirks in Oxygen OS I don't love, but the thing that's keeping me from using it as a daily is it doesn't have Wi-Fi calling on AT&T. And so I can't, there's not good enough signal in this studio. And so I can't keep using it. I'm missing important calls.
16:08 Andrew Manganelli? This is something I found out with my Zen phone, is that, and I think I remember pleading to people, is like, the phone, it has Wi-Fi calling, right?
16:18 David Imel? The feature is available, it just has to be approved.
16:21 Andrew Manganelli? It's really annoying that like carriers apparently have to whitelist it. I think that's what I originally found out with T-Mobile after hours of talking to them.
16:29 David Imel? And they probably won't really do any phone that they don't sell.
16:33 Speaker 01 Yep. It's basically the ones they sell are the ones that get approved. So, the Pixel, the iPhone, the Samsung, the major ones, they all work. And OnePlus phones for years on AT&T have not had Wi-Fi.
16:41 David Imel? T-Mobile, do they still sell OnePlus phones? Cause they had that deal with OnePlus when the OnePlus 6T first came out, where they started selling OnePlus phones.
16:49 Andrew Manganelli? There's some reason I thought Verizon was the OnePlus people.
16:51 David Imel? No, they always like, it always sort of worked on Verizon, but not officially.
16:55 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah, I get it.
16:56 David Imel? Yeah, they had like unofficial support for Verizon.
16:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, there's like years of forum posts from like years and years of OnePlus phones for people on AT&T being like, "Hey, does Wi-Fi calling not work?" And it's, it's been true for a long time. I remember I had this with the OnePlus 7. I wanted to use Wi-Fi calling and it didn't ever show up.
17:12 Speaker 03 T-Mobile has a couple?
17:14 Speaker 01 Do they?
17:15 Speaker 03 I'm also looking at an old page.
17:16 David Imel? Cause I went to their website and I went to smartphones and then I went to brands and there is a OnePlus like filter, but when you click it, it has no results.
17:26 Speaker 01 So they at one point sold some OnePlus phones.
17:28 David Imel? Yeah.
17:28 Speaker 01 Either way, I like that phone enough that I would daily it. The camera as a weakness, being a B+ camera is totally fine. So, yeah, that, that was a good, that was a good phone. That was the first review of the year. Go watch that video if you haven't already. We'll link it below.
17:41 Andrew Manganelli? I have kind of a segue from that.
17:42 David Imel? Yes.
17:43 Andrew Manganelli? So one thing with the OnePlus phone is it has their first-party cases, which is something OnePlus does.
17:49 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
17:49 Andrew Manganelli? Very good all the time. Actually, I brought some in. And they have these magnets for like MagSafe. One question we've had a lot of that we kind of got the answer to this week at CES.
18:01 David Imel? Unfortunately.
18:02 Andrew Manganelli? Unfortunately, is so the the WPC, the Wireless Power Consortium.
18:07 David Imel? Yeah.
18:08 Andrew Manganelli? List Cheeto as needing the magnets and we are Cheeto purists here.
18:12 David Imel? That's right.
18:13 Andrew Manganelli? Well, a fellow Cheeto purist, Ben Shun.
18:15 David Imel? Yeah.
18:16 Andrew Manganelli? Wrote two articles at CES so far, one about Samsung having Cheeto.
18:21 David Imel? Because they announced that they would.
18:23 Andrew Manganelli? Exactly.
18:23 David Imel? In Galaxy devices.
18:24 Andrew Manganelli? And then like a day later, the WPC announcing that Cheeto will have.
18:31 David Imel? A subs, a subdivision of Cheeto.
18:34 Andrew Manganelli? Extensions.
18:34 David Imel? Extensions.
18:35 Andrew Manganelli? To Cheeto.
18:35 David Imel? Yeah.
18:35 Andrew Manganelli? One of them being something called Cheeto Ready.
18:38 David Imel? I hate everything.
18:39 Andrew Manganelli? Which, I know, from them says, "The growth of the Cheeto ecosystem will continue with the introduction of Cheeto Ready certified devices. These devices, smartphones and accessories such as cases, deliver the full Cheeto user experience when paired together in approved combinations."
18:54 David Imel? Well, okay, but you have to have two things. So it's a full experience, but if you also buy the accessories. Can I just point out, it was like, it was like three weeks ago, that that the guy from the Wireless Power Consortium was like, "I need to make something very clear. For something to be Cheeto, it must have magnets."
19:11 Andrew Manganelli? Technically, that is still true. For something to be Cheeto Ready.
19:16 David Imel? Yeah.
19:17 Andrew Manganelli? Which is like the official naming of it. Not just that it is ready for Cheeto, it is called Cheeto Ready.
19:21 David Imel? Semantics ruin the ruin the world.
19:23 Andrew Manganelli? So, yeah, as if the the wireless coil inside of the phone meets the Cheeto specifications minus the magnets, it is not Cheeto, but if it has.
19:34 David Imel? But it's ready.
19:34 Andrew Manganelli? But it can be called. Case. No, no, no. As long as it has an approved case from Cheeto with the magnets that line up correctly. Then it can be Cheeto Ready.
19:42 David Imel? Yeah. Yeah. Bad. My take.
19:46 Andrew Manganelli? Mariah is on, she was, she must have been practicing yesterday, she's ready.
19:49 Speaker 01 My take is, so I was using the phones and I was, I was happily enjoying that I could slap a case on and then drop it on any MagSafe accessory.
19:58 David Imel? But Marquez.
19:58 Speaker 01 And so, so the way I phrased it in the video was like, okay, I'm an, I'm a no case person, because there's two sides of this. I'm a no case person and I literally in the Rivian, I have one of these cases so that when I go drive, I sit down, I put the case on and I pop it in the dash.
20:13 Andrew Manganelli? Doesn't need to be this way.
20:15 Speaker 01 And when I get out the car, I take the case off and I go inside. But the other side of that is, let's be honest, most people use a case. And so, if you just spend 20, $30 or whatever it is, yes, it's an upcharge, but it's as good, for most people, it's as good as having.
20:34 David Imel? But then also, in order to be like officially C2, it's going to have, it's going to need a C2 ready certified case and that certification is going to cost money.
20:44 Speaker 01 So the case won't be cheap.
20:45 David Imel? So it's either the case won't be cheap or the random case that you buy on Amazon will say it's ready, but won't actually be officially C2 ready. And then it won't really work quite as well, or, I don't even, there's probably, I don't think that they have like a microcontroller that says this is a C2 case. Because you know how Apple, when you put an official MagSafe case on it, it does a little special animation because it knows.
21:05 Speaker 01 I think there might be.
21:06 David Imel? Look at the, so there's like the magnet here.
21:09 Speaker 01 Well, does this phone have C2? It's C2 ready.
21:13 David Imel? Was this?
21:14 Speaker 01 Or is it just a magnet?
21:15 David Imel? 1+13 says.
21:15 Speaker 01 Oh, maybe it's not C2.
21:16 David Imel? I think they just have a magnet in the case.
21:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, because OnePlus never used the words C2, but they were, they literally, maybe I shouldn't say this, but in the press briefing, they said, this works with MagSafe. They told me this works with MagSafe. So they're like, use, use MagSafe accessories. And I was like, great.
21:30 David Imel? They won't market it that way.
21:31 Speaker 01 They're not going to publicly say that. But they, they also have this little thing up here by the NFC chip, so maybe that has something to do with telling the phone the case is on.
21:39 David Imel? Oh, interesting.
21:40 Speaker 01 They each have that.
21:41 David Imel? Okay. Either way, it worked with everything MagSafe, so mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned.
21:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, I mean, the main thing with Qi2 is like, they want the magnets to align perfectly, so you can get the highest rate of charging possible, because Qi2 standard is going to evolve over time to allow you to pump more power into your phone. And they need to make sure that the coils are perfectly aligned, because otherwise it's meh.
22:02 Andrew Manganelli? It is nice that there's some sort of standard that these cases have to be to get that, which means we're getting the best possible way for it.
22:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:11 Andrew Manganelli? And honestly, like you said, there's two people, there's case people.
22:14 Speaker 01 I mean, I want it in the phone.
22:16 Andrew Manganelli? I know.
22:16 Speaker 01 Let's be clear.
22:17 Andrew Manganelli? But I think the difference is, everyone outside of listening to this podcast.
22:20 Speaker 01 Uses a case.
22:21 Andrew Manganelli? Uses a case, and if they get the first-party one, it's perfect.
22:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:25 Andrew Manganelli? For people in this room and/or listening to this podcast, I think that's where we have the people that might be like, please.
22:31 Speaker 01 But just intense irony of all these companies being like, "We etched a special S pattern into the back of the device, and the emerald green reflects our heart." So like, you know, it's like, it's like something like that, and then they're like...
22:43 David Imel? But you're gonna put a case on it, right?
22:45 Speaker 01 Yeah. I will be giving points, I will be giving phones extra credit this year for building in the magnets, put it that way.
22:50 David Imel? Thank you.
22:50 Speaker 01 I will be appreciating those extra.
22:52 David Imel? And if you're gonna build in these special silicon carbon batteries or whatever that have more density, then you have more room to put a magnet.
23:00 Speaker 01 True, but they're putting some big batteries in these phones.
23:02 David Imel? That's true.
23:03 Speaker 01 The numbers of the OnePlus 13 battery, 6,000 milliamp hours.
23:06 David Imel? Yeah.
23:06 Speaker 01 Compared directly with the OnePlus 12, the phone is thinner.
23:10 David Imel? Yeah.
23:11 Speaker 01 Lighter, and has 600 more milliamp hours of battery.
23:14 David Imel? Finally.
23:14 Speaker 01 That's amazing.
23:15 David Imel? I remember being like 12 years old and seeing all these articles in Wired, being like, "The battery of the future has just been invented, and it will be in your stuff really soon," and then it never came.
23:24 Speaker 01 It's graphene.
23:25 David Imel? So it's just, well graphene was the main one, but it's always like, "This professor just discovered a new way to have unlimited power density," and...
23:33 Andrew Manganelli? It's funny, even the silicon carbon one, it's not just silicon carbon, because silicon carbon swells so badly, that it's like a composite.
23:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, with like salt.
23:43 David Imel? Yeah, but it works. These phones are lasting forever.
23:45 Speaker 01 So I'm happy about that.
23:46 David Imel? Yeah, I'm glad we're gonna see that a lot more.
23:48 Speaker 01 We have a lot more to talk about with CES, etc., so we'll get to that in a second, but before we do that, let's take a quick break and do some trivia.
23:59 Andrew Manganelli? I think that's the longest I've gone without hearing that jingle.
24:04 Speaker 01 You mean you didn't play it on every day? Just to hear it once in a while?
24:08 Andrew Manganelli? When I arrive at my destination in my car.
24:10 Speaker 03 Wow, wake up in a cold sweat to that sound. Well, as you know, CES 2025 is here and we've already seen some bangers come out, but it wouldn't be CES without some absolutely heinous products. I did not make this list, I want you to know that. And so the question for you is, which of the following is not a real product from CES?
24:32 Andrew Manganelli? These are always the best.
24:33 Speaker 01 It could be anything.
24:34 Speaker 03 Okay, so we have a couple of options for you. Option A is a razor heated and cooled gaming chair. Option B is a 3D printer that prints cake batter and bakes it with a laser. That sounds like a lot.
24:49 Speaker 01 That sounds dope as hell.
24:50 Speaker 03 That's crazy.
24:51 Speaker 01 I want that.
24:53 Speaker 03 Option C, Samsung stretchable display that just sort of bulges out sometimes.
24:59 Andrew Manganelli? Like bubbles?
25:00 Speaker 03 Unclear.
25:01 Speaker 01 In what direction?
25:02 Speaker 03 This is an Ellis and Adam writing.
25:05 Speaker 01 4D.
25:06 Speaker 03 Option D, Mirumi? I don't know, a furry little companion bot that imitates
25:12 Andrew Manganelli? Always real?
25:13 Speaker 03 imitates a shy infant
25:17 Speaker 03 stealing glances nearby people while clinging to a bag strap. That is, that's a title from The Verge.
25:24 Speaker 01 That's real.
25:24 Speaker 03 That's
25:25 Speaker 01 That's gotta be real.
25:25 Speaker 03 That's crazy.
25:26 Speaker 01 Allegedly. I have no question, I've seen that. I've definitely seen that.
25:30 Speaker 03 That's in your dreams. And then option E.
25:32 Speaker 01 Wait, there's five questions?
25:33 Speaker 03 Option E is just, they're all real.
25:35 Speaker 01 Oh.
25:36 Speaker 03 So I'll let you simmer on that, think about that, and we'll come back.
25:40 Speaker 01 Man. This is a trick question. Is it a trick question that it's a trick question? That's the I've wanted to, yeah. Well, okay, we'll think about that, answers will be at the end like usual, we'll be right back.
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28:04 Speaker 01 All right, welcome back. So CES is a thing that's happening. You know what's crazy? I haven't been to CES in, uh, four years.
28:13 Andrew Manganelli? This will be the fourth one you missed, right? Cause we went to 2020.
28:16 Speaker 01 I went to 2020, the original Superspreader event.
28:19 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
28:19 Speaker 01 And I haven't gone since. So 21, I didn't go. 22, I didn't go. 23, I didn't go. 24, I didn't go. Now it's 25.
28:25 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
28:26 Speaker 01 So this is the fifth one.
28:28 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
28:28 David Imel? Well, one, two.
28:29 Speaker 01 I didn't go to one, two, three, four, or five. I don't hate that. I actually kinda like that we can see all the stuff that's happening at CES. And if there's a couple of things that are standing out like diamonds in the rough, then we can pursue those right after CES. So shout out to everyone who's making the sacrifice, who is in the thick of it in Vegas, who is finding the stuff, right? And now we get to sit here in the cozy podcast studio and go, oh, that seems cool.
28:53 Andrew Manganelli? The real heroes out there.
28:55 Speaker 01 So yeah, shout out to the frontline workers at CES. One of the biggest headlines, of course, is Nvidia sort of delivers their keynote. They have the RTX 5000 series cards. There are new prices, new capabilities, new AI stuff. Uh, Andrew being a resident gamer, do you want to walk us through?
29:13 Andrew Manganelli? David and I are gonna tackle this together.
29:15 Speaker 01 Okay.
29:15 Andrew Manganelli? Because we both play games. This is, do you know how Tim and Miles did it once and they were really ripped? This was the like, the light version of that.
29:26 David Imel? The discount version.
29:27 Andrew Manganelli? The discount version, but, um, we're gonna cover this together. We're not gaming channels.
29:33 Speaker 01 No.
29:34 Andrew Manganelli? They're a gaming channel. You all know LTT and Gamers Nexus will do the like insane coverage of this stuff.
29:38 Speaker 01 I've watched some of them.
29:40 Andrew Manganelli? I watched some, I watched Linus's first one.
29:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, I watched some of the highlight stuff, yeah.
29:44 Andrew Manganelli? So let's start with the graphics card.
29:45 Speaker 01 Okay.
29:45 Andrew Manganelli? Cause the 50 series, I'm sure you're gonna get some [__] for calling it the 5000 series.
29:49 Speaker 01 My bad, 50 series. But it's RTX 5070, 5070 Ti, 5080, 5090.
29:54 Andrew Manganelli? That's what got released, correct?
29:55 Speaker 01 That's what got shown on stage. And they had the price tags and there was a big screenshot of like, this one's cheap, it's a good deal. This one's expensive. That's crazy.
30:03 Andrew Manganelli? Let's start there.
30:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:05 Andrew Manganelli? Prices.
30:05 Speaker 01 Good way to start.
30:06 Andrew Manganelli? 5070, 549, 5070 Ti, 749, 5080, 999, 5090.
30:14 Andrew Manganelli? One thousand nine hundred and ninety nine dollars. So the, the thing that strikes right there is that I believe the fifty seventy, fifty seventy TI and fifty eighty, if you take their forty series counterparts are all cheaper than they were when the forty series originally came out.
30:30 Speaker 01 That's good.
30:31 Andrew Manganelli? While the fifty ninety is four hundred dollars more than when the, did I say fifty, the fifty ninety is four hundred dollars more than the original sixteen hundred dollar base of the forty ninety when it first came out.
30:43 Speaker 01 Okay.
30:44 Andrew Manganelli? Two thousand dollars is a crazy number.
30:47 Speaker 01 Forty ninety, the first one to have a ninety?
30:49 Andrew Manganelli? I thought there was a thirty ninety.
30:51 Speaker 01 Was there a thirty ninety? Okay. Yeah, I don't know. Was there a twenty?
30:54 Andrew Manganelli? I know the forty ninety was. Us asking that is where you should gauge how much you take.
30:58 Speaker 01 I used to be really into this stuff a long time ago.
31:01 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. The thirty ninety, I believe, is the one that we got in the main gear.
31:05 Speaker 01 That was a forty ninety.
31:06 Andrew Manganelli? I'm pretty sure.
31:06 Speaker 01 The eight K gaming one, so the thirty ninety?
31:08 Andrew Manganelli? The thirty ninety was like, they, I've, I've always found gaming so interesting, be graphics cards specifically because tech just gets so small. And gaming does get smaller, but it costs so much money to, to make your computer smaller that just like, PC gaming computers are still gigantic and we're still spending so much money.
31:27 Speaker 01 Empty the studio was back then. Oh, my God. So that was four years ago. We did a RTX thirty ninety with a gaming in eight K and it handled it and we uploaded the video in eight K. And we nearly broke YouTube processing, but.
31:38 Andrew Manganelli? It took like a week to process.
31:40 Speaker 01 It literally took a week to process. Yeah.
31:42 Andrew Manganelli? Um, wow. So I think what I always find interesting with graphic cards, especially from Nvidia being released, is there's always like two groups. It's what's like the cheapest one that I can compare to a previous series and then what's the most expensive one?
31:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:57 Andrew Manganelli? Here we have the two thousand dollar fifty ninety and one thing they said on stage was that the fifty seventy at five hundred and fifty dollars is. Comparable performance to the 4090.
32:09 Speaker 01 This is the one I saw the most chatter about.
32:10 Andrew Manganelli? For sure. I think that is the most chatter.
32:12 Speaker 01 Initially, the reaction of, oh, my God, the 5070 is cheaper than the 4090 and delivers the same performance. This is amazing, great, universally positive. That's the first reaction. And then the second wave of reaction that I saw was, wait a second. Really? And I think a lot of what Jensen, the CEO of Nvidia, said on stage about AI frame interpolation, you know, X percentage of these pixels are rendered, but the rest of them are AI-generated. That being not exactly the same as a 4090 is what most of the conversation I've seen has been about. I still think it's going to be a good card. It's 550. It's going to give you great performance. Seems like it. Linus did a video of being the first one to game on one of these cards.
32:56 Speaker 01 Like, it looks like it's going to be a good card, but I think that that line was what got.
32:59 Andrew Manganelli? In Linus's video, he got to try Cyberpunk on two computers right next to each other. One had a 4090 in it, one had a 5090 in it. And from the frames he was getting, he was getting double the frames in Cyberpunk at like full settings. Now, there's a lot of questions to how it was set up in the like full settings. He went through it quickly. They're obviously going to pick things that work really well. And there were some things that weren't quite perfect. I think one of them specifically was if you're moving really fast, the text in the like UI or like floating text was blurry and some things weren't quite doing as well. So I'm interested to see what their real findings are when they're outside of the Nvidia booth that they got like captured into after the event.
33:40 Speaker 01 People are going to find ways to expose the AI part.
33:43 Andrew Manganelli? I think the biggest question is like what you said, is if we're focusing so much on AI because they introduced Blackwell chipset or something in it. That there's so much AI and they even said the reason the 5070 can be comparable to the 4090 is would be impossible without the AI enhancements that they made.
34:04 Speaker 01 Right.
34:04 Andrew Manganelli? So clearly, there's a lot of AI helping in here. And whether those frames are comparable is what we will find out from all of these different, you know, gaming channels that dive really deep into it.
34:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:15 Andrew Manganelli? But I think people listening to us that right now aren't calling us morons. Because there's a lot of them and I understand why you're doing it. The other type of people who are like, oh, cool, a 5070 might be somewhat comparable to a 4090 and for $550. Those people probably will be like, cool, I'm getting some frames and things generally do look pretty good for this price tag. I think that's probably, I think the 5070 looks like the more interesting lineup right now.
34:42 David Imel? The architecture of the chip is obviously going to be focused on AI because that's what Nvidia is focusing everything on right now. And something that AI is good at is upscaling. So I would imagine that a lot of the frames that they're quoting is with their enhanced upscaling capabilities. Because you can just interpolate frames and have them be a higher quality and also interpolate resolution. So I imagine the discourse when these cards come out is going to be like, well, what's the true performance? And then like, oh, the upscaling kind of messed up here and it doesn't look perfect. And there's going to be a lot of discourse around.
35:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, I almost want to make a graph of like, the 4090 got here and this new card is going to get slightly higher, but then plus AI.
35:21 David Imel? Plus AI.
35:21 Speaker 01 Makes it double. You're like, oh, okay.
35:24 Andrew Manganelli? And I think a lot of that will also depend on the, how optimized games are for specific things like that as well. So like, there could be some optimizations where some games are going to run way better on this new AI chip. Or like the AI power from these new cards. So it's like every piece of tech, it's going to be super subjective to like what you're doing. And but either way, it's like, I think this is hands down the most chatter from CES.
35:53 David Imel? Yeah, you know, it's funny, so the 5070, 549, I've not followed this stuff super closely for a long time. But in, I don't know, 2015 or something, 2014, when the 970 came out. I remember that being a big deal because that's four gigabytes of video memory, except only three and a half of those gigabytes. By the way, $349. So just saying, it was, it was like $200 cheaper and that was like considered a great deal. Yeah. But I had three and a half gigs of super fast video memory and then half a gig of super slow video memory. They got sued over it. I got a $35 check in the mail over a frustrating lawsuit.
36:32 Andrew Manganelli? Everyone's gotten that $30 check. Mine was from AMD a long time ago.
36:38 David Imel? Yeah. Also, Jensen wore this alligator, um, like jacket. Yeah. His jacket to be an alligator leather.
36:46 Andrew Manganelli? We're saying it was the RTX jacket.
36:48 David Imel? It was.
36:48 Andrew Manganelli? RTX on jacket.
36:50 David Imel? He usually wears this jacket. It was like a, just a regular leather jacket that he wears at every single trade show.
36:58 Speaker 01 But he upgraded.
36:59 David Imel? But he upgraded it to, let me see if I can find a photo.
37:01 Speaker 01 I think my.
37:01 David Imel? Sure, if you generate a trillion dollars in shareholders, you can just grab a new jacket. I think that's sort of what the vibe is. All the billionaires recently have been flexing crazy jackets. Zuck has his chains, you know?
37:13 Speaker 03 Should we get new jackets?
37:14 David Imel? We're not billionaires. I don't think we get to do that.
37:17 Andrew Manganelli? My favorite comment on one of the videos covering this was after he announced the pricing, he pulled out this like cardboard cutout of like the chip so that he could show what all the different things were physically.
37:31 David Imel? Yeah.
37:31 Andrew Manganelli? What was holding in front of him was a big circle and someone's like, he had to pull the shield out after he announced prices to the crowd that apparently just went kind of silent when the night, the 5090 price got.
37:41 Speaker 01 I watched one of those super cuts of like them showing the prices and them showing the 5070 got a lot of people riled up and then they revealed the entire price spectrum and everyone went, oh.
37:51 David Imel? I will say 5080 999 to 5090 1,0099 is nuts.
37:56 Andrew Manganelli? That's crazy. There's gotta be a 5080 TI coming out at some point, right?
38:01 David Imel? Or maybe a.
38:02 Andrew Manganelli? Something's gonna slip in between there.
38:04 Speaker 01 So I have a, I have a question that might not be able to be answered if you haven't been in the thick of this for a while, but I'll throw it out there anyway.
38:09 David Imel? I'll try.
38:10 Speaker 01 Are GPUs in the same kind of category of smartphones where when the new one comes out, the last generation ones drop in price where they might be a better deal?
38:19 David Imel? They don't really sell them much anymore after that.
38:22 Speaker 01 Okay.
38:22 David Imel? Generally, it's like you have to get them secondhand, but they drop in price by a lot.
38:27 Speaker 01 Right. Cause nobody wants a 4070 anymore.
38:29 David Imel? Yeah.
38:30 Speaker 01 Even though it was probably just fine as a card literally a year ago.
38:33 David Imel? Yeah.
38:33 Speaker 01 So I.
38:34 Andrew Manganelli? If they're available, I'm sure they get. Grabbed pretty quickly when they drop and secondary market of GPUs is like the worst thing you could go into because they'll all be like lightly used and lightly used means like
38:47 David Imel? For crypto mining.
38:50 David Imel? For two and a half years.
38:52 Speaker 01 Like literally never stop working soon. Yeah.
38:54 Speaker 03 I have a question. Um, is this one of the first GPUs to quote to use AI to enhance?
39:00 Speaker 01 No.
39:01 Andrew Manganelli? Sure not.
39:02 Speaker 01 They've been using the DLSS thing for a while.
39:04 Speaker 03 Is it just like a rebrand of like now we're calling this?
39:07 Speaker 01 I think they're dedicating more compute specifically to drive that more. I think that, I mean, this is the whole theme of CES in general is how can we lean into AI making our stuff better? And if you're Nvidia, it's let's make as many improvements to this specific technology in these GPUs as possible, even though it's existed for a while. Yeah. So that's how you
39:28 Andrew Manganelli? Lots of flops going on. That's how I know. I have no idea what's going on and we're just all AI.
39:33 Speaker 03 Don't call for the trap.
39:35 Speaker 01 So yeah, that, you know, that was the headlining event was Nvidia's announcements.
39:39 Andrew Manganelli? They also did a couple of quick things that David might be able to ask, do better on, which was their like personal AI supercomputer and this like robotic chip.
39:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, I tuned out for those. Yeah. Just being honest.
39:51 David Imel? They, they announced their own, your own personal supercomputer, which to be clear, they also announced a like lighter, way cheaper version of this in December, which was $250 and could do eight billion parameters, but they announced one at CES that can do 200 billion parameters and is $3,000.
40:12 Andrew Manganelli? It was like the size of a Mac mini.
40:14 David Imel? It's like a gold Mac mini. It looks like, it sort of looks like a Mac mini if it was 3D printed.
40:20 Speaker 01 A current Mac mini?
40:21 David Imel? Yeah, current Mac mini. It's tiny. It's called Nvidia digits. Um, it has 128 gigabytes of unified memory and four terabytes of NVMe storage. So definitely fast. You can link two of them together to handle 405 billion parameters. Um, and for context, I think Meta's top tier llama model is exactly 405 billion parameters. So it's like you could run your own top tier llama model on it. For $6,000.
40:47 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I guess my primary question was gonna be, what do you do with one of these that you wouldn't?
40:51 David Imel? So it's mostly for, it's mostly for startups and people that wanna develop AI applications.
40:56 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
40:56 David Imel? So, yeah.
40:57 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
40:57 David Imel? But it is crazy because most, you used to have to like rent out like cloud processing for like a lot of money.
41:05 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
41:06 David Imel? To be able to do this kinda stuff from different companies and now you can have one locally.
41:10 Andrew Manganelli? The value proposition is like, it runs dramatically faster and probably more efficiently if you have all this locally and you can do way more development on that machine rather than depending on paying someone for cloud.
41:20 David Imel? You own it in person instead of doing it in the cloud.
41:23 Andrew Manganelli? Got it.
41:23 David Imel? Um, and also you have access to all of Nvidia's like models and software libraries and development kits and stuff.
41:29 Andrew Manganelli? Which have great names, by the way.
41:31 David Imel? Yeah.
41:31 Andrew Manganelli? They just all have great names.
41:32 David Imel? They do.
41:33 Andrew Manganelli? Lots of llamas and stuff, it's just, it's great.
41:36 David Imel? Yeah, um, so it runs on a Linux-based DGX OS and supports all these different frameworks. It's pretty cool for startups, I would say, like, I think the $250 one is probably for like the hobbyist or high school student or college student.
41:50 Andrew Manganelli? Hobbyist.
41:51 David Imel? Which is becoming a thing.
41:53 Andrew Manganelli? It is.
41:53 David Imel? Yeah, becoming a thing. But if you're a startup, like $6,000 to run the two of these in parallel and run like the top, some of the top tier models is pretty good value proposition.
42:05 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
42:06 David Imel? I did not pay much attention to the robotics thing. Did you?
42:08 Andrew Manganelli? I didn't, okay, here are the two things that I remember from it and they're going to be extremely vague.
42:14 David Imel? Okay.
42:14 Andrew Manganelli? And one is just more funny. So the one thing I saw is that they were developing some sort of like, I don't know if, like, digital teaching for humanoid robots. So like, the reason we can do all this automation in cars is because we can attach cameras to cars and figure that out. Whereas we can't just send like test humanoid robots out all over the place. So they have a lot of video that they're taking from to teach robots digitally and do all of these different, um, act, like, tasks and stuff in a digital world. So it's not creating massive wear and tear on robots and, and chaos, I guess.
42:51 David Imel? Yeah.
42:52 Andrew Manganelli? Um, which I thought was kind of cool, but I didn't fully understand.
42:54 David Imel? Also done that to train its, uh, car systems.
42:57 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
42:58 David Imel? It's like car visual learning systems.
43:00 Andrew Manganelli? Digitally.
43:00 David Imel? It trains them in a virtual world, so it can do it way faster and without actually hurting anybody.
43:06 Andrew Manganelli? If we kept all of it in that digital world, I'd be okay with it.
43:09 David Imel? Yeah.
43:10 Andrew Manganelli? The other funny thing I just saw is- I'm pretty sure it was on a screen and not physically, but he like talked about this robotic chip. And how like this new chip could power a robotic brain or like a function. Something of it. And they brought up all these different potential like humanoid robots in the back and Tesla bot just wasn't one of them, which I thought was funny.
43:29 David Imel? This is gonna be.
43:30 Speaker 01 Optimus?
43:31 Andrew Manganelli? Uh, Atlas was there.
43:33 David Imel? Oh, really?
43:33 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, so Optimus was, no, yeah, Atlas was there, Optimus.
43:36 David Imel? This is gonna be the EV week at the White House moment, except for robotics, huh?
43:41 Speaker 01 He, well, yeah. Hmm. Tesla makes their own chip, right? Or do they use Nvidia chips? So they make their own chips. Maybe Nvidia is just trying to show things that use their own chips.
43:49 David Imel? Does the Boston Dynamics one use an Nvidia chip? Probably.
43:52 Speaker 01 I wouldn't be shocked.
43:53 Andrew Manganelli? I have no clue.
43:54 Speaker 01 I don't know, to be clear. But yeah, I would assume that that's what they're doing.
43:57 David Imel? Yeah.
43:57 Andrew Manganelli? So, speaking of robots.
43:59 David Imel? Yes.
44:00 Andrew Manganelli? Let's move to something far more important.
44:02 David Imel? Okay. So I went through and just kind of picked out a bunch of fun CES picks. Lots of weird stuff, lots of fun stuff. The first one, because Andrew said we're speaking of robots. There are many new robot vacuums, like many new ones. And the fun thing about CES this year is that there are so many different robo vacuum companies now that they all have to differentiate themselves somehow. So they're all doing the robot vacuum thing, but also doing really weird other stuff.
44:32 Speaker 01 Nice.
44:33 David Imel? So I listed some of the most fun ones. Um, there is the Switchbot K20 Plus Pro, horrible name, which is also an air purifier, security camera, and iPad holder.
44:43 Speaker 01 Wow, Astro could never.
44:45 Andrew Manganelli? It sounds like DJ Roomba from Parks and Rec.
44:49 David Imel? It kinda is. Uh, there's the Ufie Clean E20, which allows the suction part to detach. And then you can attach a stick vacuum to the suction part. So that's like multi-stage.
45:02 Speaker 01 Corners?
45:03 David Imel? You can do the corners better.
45:04 Andrew Manganelli? Or so I guess like it can do one room, but then you can attach it and pull it up to another room and manually?
45:09 David Imel? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:10 Andrew Manganelli? That's kinda cool.
45:11 Speaker 01 Kinda cool.
45:13 David Imel? I, it might be one of those things where like something that tries to do multiple things just does both of them worse, but.
45:21 Andrew Manganelli? I 100% believe that.
45:23 David Imel? There were multiple robots that have little like side things that come out to clean corners that are better than they used to be. The Dreamy X50 Ultra can go up short stairs.
45:36 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, I was just going to say that. I need the one where like the legs pop out and like tiptoe up my stairs.
45:43 David Imel? It's kinda, it has these like, these like weird, I don't even know what to call them. They're wheels, but they're like triangular wheels that kind of like, like pull it up the stairs like this.
45:54 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
45:54 David Imel? But it can't be, it can't be big stairs. It has to be like really short steps.
45:59 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, I was gonna say, cause I'm in a ranch, but I do have two stairs between my like living room, front hallway and the rest of my house. So I need something that can just do two stairs. They're normal sized stairs.
46:09 David Imel? Oh dang.
46:10 Speaker 01 You could drop, drop a ramp down for the little robot.
46:12 David Imel? Yeah.
46:15 Andrew Manganelli? I would, I would have to make like a 15 foot ramp to go up two stairs just.
46:19 Speaker 01 And it's always dirty under the ramp, but the robot always goes up the ramp.
46:22 David Imel? Yeah. But I think the weirdest and most fun one is the Robo Box Saros Z70, which has a little mechanical arm that pops out of the top and it can pick up things like your socks and underwear from around.
46:36 Speaker 01 That's what I'm talking about.
46:37 David Imel? And you can set designated locations for it to just like collect the laundry and put it in certain areas.
46:42 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
46:43 David Imel? This is why, cause you know how we were just talking about this? Like there's a bunch of humanoid robots and everyone's like, yeah, it could do your chores. It could like vacuum your house. Guys, the vacuum is the robot. It has a little arm, comes out and like does stuff and like vacuums it. That's, that's what it is.
46:57 Andrew Manganelli? Can I stress test this? Because having a toddler means my living room every single day is just.
47:05 David Imel? Yeah.
47:05 Andrew Manganelli? I don't think you understand how many toys get on the ground from one day of playing. My night, every night is putting all the toys back. I could watch, it would have to pick up a hundred different things and I would love to see.
47:18 Speaker 01 How much time do you have?
47:20 Andrew Manganelli? I would, I'll stress test.
47:21 David Imel? It also has, I mean, the pincher claws are not like, they're not thick. They're very kind of like.
47:26 Andrew Manganelli? They're mostly small toys.
47:29 David Imel? I saw, I saw a couple of videos of this and there were a couple of socks that it would like, it was kinda like a claw machine where like some, it would get it most of the time, but sometimes it would like kinda get it and it would dangle for a second then fall. But they're actually releasing this.
47:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, but something you said. It says it can hold 300 grams. That's not, that's like barely half a pound.
47:49 Andrew Manganelli? That's like less than the amount of like.
47:50 David Imel? It's like a phone. Isn't a phone like 300 grams?
47:53 Speaker 01 There's videos of picking up shoes.
47:55 David Imel? Okay.
47:56 Andrew Manganelli? Not, not high top Jordans.
47:57 Speaker 01 When I say videos, I mean renders on their website. But.
48:01 Andrew Manganelli? That's like a Birkenstock.
48:02 Speaker 01 Slower than that.
48:03 David Imel? It's like an UG boot, so. It is funny because like previously you had to keep your house really clean for these robots to work. Um, or at least with nothing on the ground.
48:12 Andrew Manganelli? And like if it could pick a wire up and just like go underneath it.
48:15 David Imel? That was the main thing.
48:16 Andrew Manganelli? That's the number one killer of robot.
48:18 David Imel? Yeah, true.
48:19 Speaker 01 The number.
48:21 David Imel? Especially in this studio, because we've had plenty and we've tried a bunch, the number one killer of like walking in the next day. And it's just like strangling itself with wires. Like it's just the wires.
48:29 Speaker 03 What if we give it a pair of scissors? It cuts through the wires.
48:34 David Imel? And then behind it, it like sews it back together.
48:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:36 David Imel? Oh, my God. It solders it back together on the back end. Um, yeah, so that was actually coming out in May or June of this year, which is hilarious.
48:44 Speaker 01 Never stops CESing.
48:45 David Imel? So, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm here for all the weird robot vacuums. There was, there was one that could, like it had a mop on it, but it would pick itself up like a short amount. When it did carpet, so that it, the mop didn't touch the carpet and the vacuum part would still vacuum.
49:02 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, so it was both, because you would previously need a mop one and a vacuum one?
49:06 David Imel? Yeah, it was one that like, yeah, it would lift itself up after it mopped to do the carpet. And it would keep going. So it is very fun seeing all these companies go crazy with this.
49:17 Speaker 01 Man.
49:17 David Imel? Uh, okay. Second headline for CES.
49:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:21 David Imel? You guys have heard of the LG Stand My V Go.
49:24 Speaker 01 Of course.
49:24 David Imel? Which we bought last year because it was a thousand dollars. That is the suitcase. Um, TV, I guess. Yeah, it's a TV.
49:32 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
49:33 David Imel? And we joked about bringing it on an airplane and stuff like that. Well, LG has announced the Stand By Me Go 2. Which is even more portable in some senses of the word. Cause a suitcase TV, you couldn't actually take it out of the suitcase. It had like these mechanisms that kept it in the suitcase, but it could be angled. This one is a fully, just, it's just a display, but it comes with a strap. So you can like carry it around on your shoulder if you want.
50:01 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it's different.
50:02 David Imel? It has a clamshell case that looks just like the iPad clamshell case that like closes on the front to protect it. And it is also a folio, so it like can stand up on its own. And now the remote magnetizes to the top of it as well. So, yeah, their booth at CES had them basically just like having the strap and just like hanging it on the wall. It's like, yeah, hang your TV on the wall where you go.
50:26 Andrew Manganelli? But like hanging on the wall means it's just battery powered?
50:29 David Imel? Yes, it's battery powered.
50:30 Andrew Manganelli? And the plug is on the side. So like it won't be as clean hanging on the wall. But there is something really funny, just thinking about somebody shoulder slinging their Stand By Me Go and like. I mean, walking around.
50:43 David Imel? We got the, you got, you got the dancing pizza guys outside of pizza places, you know, spinning the signs and stuff. Now you can spin a TV.
50:50 Speaker 01 Have a guy with a TV.
50:52 Speaker 03 It kinda reminds me of like a fast food drive through sign. You could put up like the menu on it, but in your house.
50:58 David Imel? They last four hours. So it lasts four hours, pretty good. USB C charging.
51:03 Speaker 01 It's actually longer than I thought you would say.
51:04 David Imel? It's up to.
51:04 Andrew Manganelli? And still not anywhere near long enough.
51:06 David Imel? Yeah, I know, I know. But it's up to 1440p instead of 1080 from last time.
51:13 David Imel? Yeah.
51:13 Speaker 01 This is the perfect place to unveil that CES.
51:16 David Imel? Yeah.
51:16 Speaker 01 That's the perfect place.
51:17 David Imel? LG does some weird stuff.
51:19 Speaker 01 Evergreen.
51:19 David Imel? I'm gonna jump to another LG one real quick. Just, this is a personal favorite from CES. And I know some people might not find this that interesting, but I think it's cool as hell. This is a lamp slash speaker slash garden slash garden water.
51:36 Andrew Manganelli? The more slashes at CES, the better.
51:39 David Imel? Interesting. I think it's quite attractive. Go on. It's like an accent lamp. And then that lamp shines down directly on a garden that you can grow things in that is auto-watered from a reservoir in the lamp. And also, it is a 120-watt, 4.1-channel Bluetooth speaker.
51:59 Andrew Manganelli? There also is a like side-table version of this.
52:03 David Imel? Life's good, baby. Life is good. Wow.
52:07 Andrew Manganelli? I like the end-table version of this.
52:09 David Imel? There's two versions. There's a very tall one, and then there's like a shorter end-table version.
52:12 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
52:13 David Imel? I think they're both cool as hell.
52:14 Speaker 01 Before we leave the LG train, I just want to play you the first five seconds of a reel from The Verge. They went to CES, and they found another LG creation, so I just want to let you guys hear this.
52:26 David Imel? What was it? Does it say in the reel?
52:30 Speaker 07 Have you ever wanted to use your microwave as a selfie camera?
52:34 David Imel? Nice.
52:35 Speaker 01 LG is there for you, let me tell you.
52:37 David Imel? Are they the ones that put the camera inside of the microwave, too? Because someone put a camera inside the microwave so you can watch your food cooking.
52:43 Speaker 01 That's old news, though. What if you want to stand outside the microwave while it cooks your food and do a TikTok dance on the camera?
52:51 Speaker 01 Now you can. LG has made this possible. I'm just, they're thinking of everything.
52:55 David Imel? Life's good, dude. They got out of smartphones, which is a stressful industry, and they just decided to do whatever the heck they wanted.
53:02 Speaker 03 Side quests. Do you think that the plant-combo light speaker, when you're blasting the speaker, will your plants be upset by the volume?
53:10 Andrew Manganelli? Depends.
53:11 Speaker 01 It'll be good for them.
53:11 Andrew Manganelli? What are you blasting?
53:12 Speaker 01 Probably good for them.
53:13 Speaker 03 See, that's what I'm saying. If you're playing like metal music, or you're playing like orchestral music.
53:17 David Imel? Look, when you're pregnant, you play Mozart to your baby. It's the same thing, right?
53:21 Speaker 01 There's for sure been studies about people who, not people, but if you talk to the plants, they grow better. No?
53:28 Speaker 03 I believe it. This is a science podcast.
53:30 Speaker 01 I promise there's been A B texting of like. And I'm, I'm just spewing misinformation now, but I, I've also read that and I've looked into specifically money trees. Cause I have one and if you, uh, every once in a while just shake it. Cause it just sits there, but it shakes it as if it experiences wind and gets stronger.
53:50 Andrew Manganelli? I've heard that for fiddly fig.
53:51 Speaker 01 So it's, that's like, you have to pay attention to the plant a little bit. And I think if you play the right music, that speaker will help it grow better.
53:58 Speaker 03 So do you come home and shake your plant?
54:00 Speaker 01 Maybe.
54:01 Andrew Manganelli? He has this Google task, shake money tree.
54:06 Speaker 01 Just a little, just a little, yeah.
54:07 Speaker 03 I like it. I like it.
54:08 David Imel? Well, LG is unfortunately not announced pricing or availability of these, um,
54:13 Speaker 01 dang it.
54:13 David Imel? combination.
54:14 Andrew Manganelli? I actually want the plant side table.
54:17 David Imel? I want both of them, but they're probably going to be really expensive.
54:20 Andrew Manganelli? I want it with rosemary in it. So it just smells like rosemary in my room.
54:23 David Imel? I was thinking you could grow like mint or something and then you just always have fresh mint for your tea and stuff. Oh my God.
54:29 Speaker 03 Also I just Googled, should you shake your money tree? And the AI told me no.
54:35 Speaker 03 But if it's working for you.
54:36 Speaker 01 But it's like flourishing. It's like doing so well.
54:38 Speaker 03 Then keep, keep doing this.
54:39 Speaker 01 Also like talk to it. So.
54:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
54:41 Speaker 01 It's one of those two things. It's helping it for sure. Yeah.
54:42 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
54:44 Speaker 01 Okay. Well, LG is out there.
54:46 David Imel? LG is out there. Okay. Next. Do you guys remember Bird Buddy? Yeah. So we talked about this on the podcast previously, and I believe that they sent us.
54:54 Andrew Manganelli? I have one.
54:55 David Imel? A Bird Buddy to use after we called them out on the podcast. That was a camera that you would put like, it's like a smart bird feeder, basically. And it would take pictures and analyze birds that showed up to your bird feeder and be like, oh, you've got a mockingjay today. And it would be a funny photo of the bird. They have, uh, expanded or should I say shrunk?
55:14 Speaker 01 This is such a good like shark tank story.
55:16 David Imel? Yes. Um, so now they are doing plants and bugs with a new bird feeder, Bird Buddy feeder. They rebranded or like put themselves under an umbrella of wonder now. So there's all these like wonder devices. But yeah, now they have these special cameras that you put on your plants. Um, and some of them have their own, um, solar panels. And you can sort of contort the camera around different things. So there's some that you can basically use as a vine to go like around.
55:48 Speaker 01 Gorillapod style.
55:49 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it's a gorillapod camera.
55:51 David Imel? To be able to point at certain things in a special way. They look really good and they're cute and they kind of, kind of go all over your garden. But they also will like recognize different bugs and they'll say, this butterfly is this. And then one of the few actually good uses of a chatbot. Um, it will tell you about all of the bugs and stuff and summarize all of the bugs that came to your garden. And you can ask them about the bugs that came to your garden, which I think is very adorable.
56:17 Andrew Manganelli? $300 on this to be like, that's the invasive blank beetle. So enjoy the tree service where you have to cut down eight trees for $1,500.
56:27 Speaker 03 It's just like 200 lanternflies.
56:30 Speaker 01 That's what you get in New Jersey. You just be like, you got nothing. You got nothing. You got one spider. You got 150 lanternflies.
56:35 David Imel? Yeah.
56:36 Speaker 01 Oh.
56:36 David Imel? Yeah. So they also created these new things called the Wonder Blocks, which are these modular systems that you can put around to attract different types of, uh, bugs and butterflies and stuff. And they sell things like a plant base, a butterfly feeder. Um, it basically looks like a little honeycomb nest. But you can grow plants in them. It's cool. Like they really, they really took a phenomenon and ran with it. Which I think they're doing a great job.
57:00 Speaker 01 The last line in the Verge article is Petal and Wonder Blocks will be available on Kickstarter in the spring of this year with no details on price. So it's an announcement of a Kickstarter.
57:11 Andrew Manganelli? Kickstarter's are weird now though, where like these companies that are established already do it. And it just feels like a different way of pre-ordering.
57:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, I, I imagine they're using it to try to find how much demand there is before they start ordering and shipping and all that production stuff. But that's your, your asterisk.
57:27 Andrew Manganelli? Cause BirdBuddy is already a company that.
57:29 Speaker 01 Sure.
57:30 Andrew Manganelli? Delivers a product.
57:31 Speaker 01 But how much, how much could they be making?
57:36 Andrew Manganelli? Beats me. Yeah, so it's pretty good. I like my bird buddy.
57:38 David Imel? Kickstarter, yeah. Oh, yeah. You have the bird buddy.
57:40 Andrew Manganelli? I do.
57:40 David Imel? How's it still, still operational?
57:42 Andrew Manganelli? I need to get a new post for it so I can bring it closer to my house because my wifi signal was having a little issue with it. And it was just dying a bit faster because of it. Um, so yes, I'm in the process of upgrading a steak. It is so cold outside though, that I, it is not a priority.
57:58 David Imel? Not a lot of birds. Fair. They also said that they're going to be selling a optional solar panel that goes on your roof that can power the cameras and stuff. So.
58:07 Andrew Manganelli? That's pretty cool.
58:07 David Imel? Yeah.
58:08 Speaker 03 I do feel like the downfall of a lot of these outdoor things is you need a really good router for your signal to reach into your yard. And mine is not good enough.
58:16 Andrew Manganelli? No, that's a really good point because we wanted to get one for my father-in-law, but their internet and router is terrible. But he's a big bird fan, but I don't, I literally don't think I could set one up at his house.
58:26 David Imel? I got birds, boy.
58:27 Andrew Manganelli? We got birds.
58:28 David Imel? Um, do we want to do our stuff at the end of the CES stuff and we'll go through all the other stuff first?
58:32 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, let's do cars and the two keyboard things after the break and we'll rip the rest of this up now.
58:38 David Imel? Okay, you've heard of Dell.
58:44 Andrew Manganelli? Dude, you're getting a Dell.
58:46 David Imel? Dell seems to have taken a lot of tech YouTubers advice in a certain direction.
58:54 David Imel? There are many companies that create bad naming schemes for their stuff. Sony actually did the same thing last week. They named a pair of headphones like Sony Ultra Max or something.
59:05 Andrew Manganelli? And they went like self-aware.
59:06 David Imel? That's not what they're called, but.
59:07 Andrew Manganelli? And made.
59:08 David Imel? They made a self-aware meme about it, which was funny. But Dell did basically the same thing. So you remember the XPS brand? Dell XPS has been a tried and true beloved.
59:19 Speaker 01 One of the more established brands in the BCS.
59:22 David Imel? Quite. Like people that are into tech know about this brand.
59:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, it'd be a shame if something happened to it.
59:26 David Imel? Well, that did. So unfortunately, the shame was shamed. Uh, we no longer have Inspiron XPS or Latitude. Now we have Dell, Dell Pro, and you guessed it, Dell Pro Max.
59:40 Speaker 03 Wow.
59:40 Speaker 01 This is not a joke.
59:44 Andrew Manganelli? When I told Mark has that on like Monday. There's some things that just get Marques to do the perfect, just like head down disappointment. And that was one that I haven't seen in a while.
59:54 David Imel? I saw something on Blue Sky where someone was like, now that all the companies are naming things Pro and Pro Max, Apple should just change it to something else.
1:00:02 Speaker 01 You know what's actually worse about this is they still subdivide each tier.
1:00:07 David Imel? Yes.
1:00:07 Speaker 01 By premium, plus, and base.
1:00:11 David Imel? Yeah.
1:00:11 Speaker 01 So you can get the Dell base, or the Dell plus, or the Dell premium.
1:00:16 David Imel? Yeah.
1:00:16 Speaker 01 Or the Dell Pro base, the Dell Pro plus, the Dell Pro premium, or the Dell Pro Max base, the Dell Pro Max plus.
1:00:27 David Imel? Yeah.
1:00:27 Speaker 01 Or the Dell Pro Max premium.
1:00:31 David Imel? Yes.
1:00:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:00:32 David Imel? That's...
1:00:33 Speaker 01 I think like online, this is not going to be as big of a deal because the options will be right in front of you and you can see the changes, but someone trying to sell this in a Best Buy store is going to have the worst time. Here's an interesting counterpoint is, was it always clear to the average person who was walking into a Best Buy and about to buy a laptop, which one they should buy, XPS Inspiron or Latitude?
1:00:55 David Imel? No.
1:00:56 Speaker 01 I feel like looking at the specs.
1:00:57 David Imel? This potentially like puts it in order better, just makes it more annoying, you know?
1:01:01 Speaker 01 It's not worse necessarily.
1:01:03 David Imel? It's just, it's just cringy.
1:01:05 Speaker 01 It's just cringe.
1:01:05 Andrew Manganelli? It's only because it's Pro Max. If it was like, yeah, like...
1:01:09 David Imel? If it was Pro Plus, it would be like not as bad, honestly. It's just, yeah.
1:01:14 Speaker 01 Or if they just said, like, if they didn't have these sub tiers and they just said it's configurable, I think that would be fine.
1:01:21 Andrew Manganelli? I do think that's where you lose, like, somebody who doesn't know much about laptops wants a very distinct naming of like,
1:01:30 Andrew Manganelli? base, middle of the ground, best.
1:01:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, but I think they could have done Dell, which it's just called the Dell.
1:01:37 David Imel? Well, the Dell base, or the Dell plus, or the Dell premium. Yeah.
1:01:41 Speaker 01 The Dell...
1:01:42 David Imel? Base.
1:01:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:43 David Imel? Give me the what?
1:01:44 Speaker 01 Give me the base Dell.
1:01:45 David Imel? Geez, okay.
1:01:46 Speaker 01 Plus, I don't know.
1:01:47 David Imel? I don't, but you could have walked into a store and you could have said, oh, I like the way that one looks. What are the specs like? Best Buy could carry like three SKUs of each without naming them something different. You know what I mean?
1:01:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:59 David Imel? Anyway, I'm not like against this. I just think it's a little cringe, but that's okay.
1:02:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:04 David Imel? You're allowed to be a little cringe.
1:02:05 Speaker 01 You're allowed to be cringe.
1:02:06 David Imel? Yeah.
1:02:07 Speaker 01 You're allowed to kill your best, most successful brand name you've had in years.
1:02:11 David Imel? Which to be fair, like XPS was the only, like, we knew Inspiron, but we also knew them as like the really cheap, like, school laptops that were bulky and not that good.
1:02:20 Speaker 03 Did anyone here have a Dell Latitude? That was an absolute unit. Um, those things are bricks.
1:02:25 David Imel? I had one from like 2005 or something. It was my first laptop ever and it was insanely thick.
1:02:33 Speaker 03 Indestructible.
1:02:34 David Imel? Indestructible.
1:02:34 Andrew Manganelli? I miss Sony Vio.
1:02:36 David Imel? Hmm. Well, they split, Vio got split off.
1:02:39 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I'm just saying I miss it.
1:02:40 David Imel? Oh.
1:02:41 Andrew Manganelli? There's no rhyme or reason for it. That was my like old, my eighth grade home computer.
1:02:47 David Imel? Yeah.
1:02:47 Andrew Manganelli? Big old Sony Vio.
1:02:48 David Imel? Yeah.
1:02:49 Andrew Manganelli? It was awesome.
1:02:49 David Imel? They were cool. Okay.
1:02:53 Andrew Manganelli? Think that's everything except for keys and cars.
1:02:55 David Imel? Keys and cars.
1:02:56 Speaker 01 Should we do keys and cars after the break?
1:02:57 Andrew Manganelli? We can do that after the break, I think.
1:02:59 David Imel? Okay.
1:02:59 Speaker 01 Keys and cars after the break. You heard it here first, but that does mean we have one more break to do some trivia.
1:03:07 David Imel? Scooby doo da da. Trivia, dude.
1:03:11 Speaker 03 All right. Our second question for you today is Bing is clearly trying to do everything in its power to stay relevant and including tricking users, but they have to hold on to that number two search engine spot by US market share. Who holds number three spot in the US market share for search?
1:03:31 Andrew Manganelli? I'm also going to say this is based on something we had written in the script that we haven't talked about yet. So we will talk about that. Bing tricking people after the break as well.
1:03:42 David Imel? We'll get there.
1:03:42 Speaker 01 True.
1:03:43 David Imel? See you soon.
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1:06:06 Speaker 01 All right, welcome back. CES. CES is a fun show because obviously there's lots of like robot vacuums and consumer gadgets and drones and stuff like that. But there's also this whole like section that's just cars every year. There's just car stuff.
1:06:21 Andrew Manganelli? There's also like boats and like tractors and stuff.
1:06:25 Speaker 01 Totally. And the meta with CES is it always feels like it's like a vibe check on like, what's the theme with tech this year? Sometimes it's 3D. Sometimes it's curved displays. Sometimes it's 2025 and it's just AI in everything. And so if you, if you ever go to the car section of CES, what you will find is a mixture of like regular cars and then future concept, uh, prototype, not real cars that may never ship, but more like a concept of mobility, like super vague stuff like that. Uh, and those are
1:07:06 Speaker 01 interesting, I would say, but usually not ever going to come out. Some of the stuff we have here are right in between, I would say. First one, CES car headline. Uh, so remember the Aphila?
1:07:19 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
1:07:19 Speaker 01 The Sony car? Sony and Honda collaborating on making a car. This was like two CES's ago. We first saw this and we've seen it.
1:07:25 Andrew Manganelli? I think it was way longer than that, no?
1:07:27 Speaker 01 We've seen it a few times.
1:07:29 David Imel? Two, I think.
1:07:30 Speaker 01 Either way.
1:07:30 Andrew Manganelli? I remember seeing a Sony car.
1:07:32 David Imel? Right. 2023, I think they showed it off for the first time. 2022 is when they announced it.
1:07:36 Speaker 01 Cause it was like, it was a car.
1:07:37 David Imel? They were going to do something.
1:07:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was a car in the Sony booth and we were all like, whoa, Sony? Well, I guess Sony does make screens and Sony does make display, like motors. Maybe they can make a whole car.
1:07:47 Andrew Manganelli? So there was a, just because I remember physically seeing it, there was the Vision S01, which was in 2020.
1:07:52 David Imel? Concept vehicle.
1:07:53 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, that was concept vehicle. It was just like a car that was just sitting there.
1:07:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:07:57 Andrew Manganelli? At the CES show floor.
1:07:59 Speaker 03 And then Vision S02 was 2022.
1:08:02 Speaker 01 And then Vision OS was 2024. So here we are in 2025 and Sony and Honda are officially collaborating and announcing a price that you will be able to buy this car. Maybe.
1:08:14 David Imel? What is the price?
1:08:15 Speaker 01 The price is it will start as eighty nine thousand nine hundred dollars. So it will not be cheap. It's called the Aphila One Origin. There also will be a higher end hundred and three thousand dollars signature version of this car. People who have been looking at this car, I mean, it looks like a regular Honda. I think it's reasonable to say.
1:08:35 Andrew Manganelli? Kind of lucid, almost.
1:08:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, I mean, it's an EV. It's a it's a brand new look. Obviously Sony's got a little injection of design. There's also a subscription associated with the car. You get the first three years free, but that includes Aphila Intelligent Drive, Level Two ADAS, apparently, immersive entertainment selection, customizable themes, and Aphila Personal Agent. This is, like I said, it's right in the middle of CES cars.
1:09:03 Andrew Manganelli? Because everything hardware wise about this car looks super reasonable for CES.
1:09:08 Speaker 01 Like, it has some screens and stuff.
1:09:10 Andrew Manganelli? It has, you know, a sleek, minimalist design.
1:09:14 Speaker 01 And a CES part.
1:09:14 Andrew Manganelli? But nothing on the inside is like, no mirrors or no steering wheel or like that. It seems normal.
1:09:20 Speaker 01 This looks like an Accord from twenty twenty five. It looks like a normal looking car on the outside with some nice screens. But being Sony, not sure. Being a new brand, not sure. It's collaborating with Honda, but it's ninety grand. Who who buys a ninety thousand dollar Honda? Like, there's a bunch of questions still about this thing.
1:09:39 David Imel? I have two things to say about this.
1:09:40 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:09:41 David Imel? One, Mr. Stark, I'm not Aphila so good.
1:09:44 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
1:09:45 David Imel? Two, for this price, they should really be putting a PS5 in the car.
1:09:50 Speaker 01 Hey, wait a minute. Well, hold on. You might be onto something.
1:09:52 Andrew Manganelli? That's the difference between the Origin and the Aphila Signature. One's a PS5, one's a PS5 Pro.
1:09:58 David Imel? For like another twelve thousand dollars.
1:10:01 Speaker 01 There's some big screens in the back.
1:10:02 David Imel? I think only the Signature has the big screens, right?
1:10:05 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:10:05 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, is it?
1:10:06 Speaker 01 That checks out.
1:10:06 David Imel? I believe so.
1:10:07 Speaker 01 I mean, for a hundred grand, yeah, Jesus, dude.
1:10:09 David Imel? That's an expensive car. Like, a Lucid is like that price, right?
1:10:12 Speaker 01 You can get a Lucid for that price, yeah, a new one.
1:10:14 Andrew Manganelli? There's something so funny about having the big screens in the back, but also under the seat, still having like the cigarette lighter power board.
1:10:22 David Imel? Yeah. You can preorder it right now.
1:10:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:10:25 David Imel? But only in California.
1:10:27 Speaker 01 Oh, that's very CES.
1:10:28 David Imel? Like, only in California.
1:10:29 Speaker 01 Wow. So if I'm in New Jersey and I want one.
1:10:32 Andrew Manganelli? CES is in Vegas, actually.
1:10:33 Speaker 01 Well, I'm just saying.
1:10:33 David Imel? I know, isn't that funny?
1:10:34 Speaker 01 They're so not sure about shipping this that they're like, how about just California?
1:10:39 David Imel? California.
1:10:39 Speaker 01 I think we can ship this in California.
1:10:41 David Imel? The people that have a lot of money and are willing to buy an EV.
1:10:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:10:44 David Imel? Yeah. They said a global launch is coming later, but no details on that.
1:10:49 Andrew Manganelli? I like how it's like, there's two options, California only, global launch.
1:10:53 David Imel? Yeah.
1:10:54 Andrew Manganelli? Not even nationwide launch.
1:10:57 David Imel? Uh, it's a $200 down payment, so.
1:11:00 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:11:00 David Imel? Or, you know.
1:11:01 Andrew Manganelli? Or down payment or yeah, a pre-order.
1:11:03 Speaker 01 Interest-free loan.
1:11:05 David Imel? Yeah.
1:11:05 Speaker 01 Yeah. Okay. CES car story number two. Do y'all remember Faraday Future? When I say that name, does that ring any bells?
1:11:12 David Imel? That's a word I haven't heard in a long time.
1:11:14 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. 2017, I made a video.
1:11:18 David Imel? Yeah.
1:11:18 Speaker 01 Showing the Faraday Future FF91. I don't know if you remember this.
1:11:22 David Imel? I do.
1:11:22 Speaker 01 They, they actually had a separate engineering development car that was near final. And then they had a aesthetically finished car.
1:11:29 David Imel? Yeah.
1:11:29 Speaker 01 They would, they would give me a ride in the engineering car. And I remember the guy like Florida and he was like, that's better than a Model S, right? And I was like, yeah, it's pretty quick. And then they had the aesthetically finished car, which was mostly kind of a clay model that you can maybe roll on the stage, but like point your camera at it, it looks pretty cool.
1:11:43 David Imel? Yeah.
1:11:44 Speaker 01 That was 2017.
1:11:46 David Imel? Yeah.
1:11:46 Speaker 01 It's 2025 now.
1:11:49 David Imel? Wow.
1:11:49 Speaker 01 And they are showing some new prototypes at CES.
1:11:53 David Imel? Here we go again.
1:11:54 Speaker 01 They've been at CES, I'm pretty sure every year since 2017. The FF91, they still want to ship and they still claim that they're going to produce and it will be $300,000. But I found some new cars.
1:12:07 Andrew Manganelli? I found a funny thing in this before we get into the new ones.
1:12:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:10 Andrew Manganelli? In one of these articles, I found a quote that says, "The announcement of the new brand comes just months after Faraday Future disclosed to the US Securities and Exchange Commission that it only delivered 10 cars by the end of 2023."
1:12:24 Speaker 01 And I would put an asterisk on, an asterisk on those 10 cars too. So like 10 sounds like not that much, but to me, someone who's been hearing about Faraday Future, I'm like, 10?
1:12:33 David Imel? They delivered.
1:12:34 Speaker 01 Really? Yeah. So, yeah, they're coming with some new prototypes that they want to target 20 to 30 to $50,000 in price, which is very noble. It's what you probably would like to get to at some point. But yeah, this is also, I would say, very, very Faraday Future in that they have continued to attempt to get funding and to try to sell this idea of a new brand. The only startups that have really hooked are Rivian, Lucid, Tesla, right? As far as EVs. I mean, that's it as far as here. So it's a challenge getting a company like that off the ground, but Faraday Future's still at it.
1:13:13 Andrew Manganelli? The thing I'm most confused about is I saw all this stuff that they're announcing at CES. I have not seen any coverage of these new vehicles at CES at all. Like I can find something about Faraday Future to host exclusive private showcase and experience in Las Vegas of prototype mules. But like I've seen, when I search it, nothing's coming up and CES has been going on for like three days now.
1:13:38 Speaker 01 We literally, I, we were both, we were all at that.
1:13:41 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:13:42 Speaker 01 In 2017.
1:13:43 Andrew Manganelli? So I wasn't. It was, that was the CES where Mark has texted me and was like, I think I need help. Let's, so that was pretty much as I started. So I've been, since I have been working at MKBHD, that's how long we've been waiting for the FF91.
1:14:00 Speaker 01 Dang. When they actually release their car, you might get fired. You gotta be careful.
1:14:04 Andrew Manganelli? I have a lot of job security, I feel like.
1:14:08 Speaker 01 So yeah, they're, Faraday Future's still doing their thing. Okay. The last headline I've pulled from CES cars that I thought was interesting is another Honda one, Honda Zero. It's a, it's another concept, but like more futuristic looking Honda cars. And these have torn people apart purely on aesthetics. So I'm gonna, I have this link here. If you guys click and look at the top image in this and you can see these, this SUV in the sedan. I, before you, before you answer, I suspect that you either think these are sick or you think these are horrible looking.
1:14:42 David Imel? Jaguar.
1:14:42 Speaker 01 I think they're sick.
1:14:44 Andrew Manganelli? You think they're sick?
1:14:45 Speaker 01 I think they're sick.
1:14:45 Andrew Manganelli? Really?
1:14:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:14:46 Andrew Manganelli? The one, okay. So there's two. I will try and describe them. One looks like a... Kind of like that new Prius redesign, but larger and longer, the one on the left.
1:14:58 David Imel? Yeah.
1:14:58 Andrew Manganelli? And then the right looks kind of like CRV mixed with the Hyundai N75. Was that what it was called?
1:15:06 David Imel? N74.
1:15:07 Andrew Manganelli? The like, no, then because of like the headlights, the like, very like futuristic, but the future is now trying to be like retro future with the like dot lighting and stuff. Yeah.
1:15:16 David Imel? The first one looks like if a Lamborghini was in Halo one.
1:15:20 Speaker 01 So it has the face of a Lamborghini Murcielago Countach. It has the old Lamborghini face.
1:15:28 David Imel? Okay.
1:15:28 Speaker 01 Like they, I think they copied.
1:15:30 Andrew Manganelli? From the front.
1:15:31 Speaker 01 From the front. And then it's got this big sloping crazy thing and it's, it's a concept car. There's no rearview mirrors, no door handles, that whole thing, but still silhouette goes hard. Then the right one, I think, yeah, you're right. It's like CRV plus like Polestar because there's no rear visibility.
1:15:47 Andrew Manganelli? So the back of the like, uh,
1:15:50 Speaker 01 Looks crazy.
1:15:50 Andrew Manganelli? The first one you're talking about has kind of like, do you know those like infinity mirrors where it's like, uh,
1:15:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:55 Andrew Manganelli? Only like one set of lights, but the mirror make it looks like it goes forever. That's what that has on the back.
1:16:00 Speaker 01 Illegal.
1:16:03 Speaker 01 I think there are lots of things about.
1:16:04 David Imel? Well, yeah, there's no door handles.
1:16:06 Speaker 01 Yes, there are many things about these concept cars that will not make it to any sort of production car. But this is Honda's zero concept and it's named after their, um, they have an in-house OS they're developing named after Asimo, their humanoid robot.
1:16:21 Speaker 03 Is that the tiny little guy over here?
1:16:24 Speaker 01 Asimo, Asimo, I don't know if I'm saying it right.
1:16:27 Andrew Manganelli? These are all also only renders, right?
1:16:29 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:16:29 Andrew Manganelli? Like there is not anything as CES about this.
1:16:32 Speaker 01 Correct. It's just announced as CES stuff.
1:16:34 Andrew Manganelli? Cool.
1:16:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:16:35 Andrew Manganelli? So, you know, CES.
1:16:38 Speaker 03 It's just a vibe.
1:16:39 Andrew Manganelli? It's, it's all vibes.
1:16:40 David Imel? The concept electronic show.
1:16:44 Speaker 01 A conceptual electronics show.
1:16:46 David Imel? Yeah, yeah.
1:16:47 Speaker 01 So that's, that's the cars of CES.
1:16:49 David Imel? That's fun.
1:16:49 Speaker 01 Thank you for joining my TED Talk.
1:16:50 Andrew Manganelli? Thank you. Now, welcome to my TED Talk about two keyboards at CES.
1:16:55 David Imel? Okay.
1:16:56 Andrew Manganelli? I'll go pretty quick about this.
1:16:57 David Imel? Let's go.
1:16:58 Andrew Manganelli? Ducky released a new inductive switch for mechanical keyboards, which is kind of cool. And I will try and get through it as fast as possible. So it's actually Cherry who developed a new switch. They're calling multiple point switches. We've talked previously about how hall effect switches are the new fad in gaming.
1:17:14 David Imel? They are.
1:17:14 Andrew Manganelli? Because of all the different rapid trigger and features you can add to it.
1:17:20 Andrew Manganelli? Ducky 1X is launching with these Cherry multi-point switches that they're calling inductive switches. And the cool thing about this is they're far more energy efficient than the magnetic hall effect switches.
1:17:35 David Imel? The switches are more energy efficient.
1:17:37 Andrew Manganelli? Yes, and the reason for that is because you need all these different sensors inside the PCB for hall effect switches. And because this is, this is where I'm trying to get it from. I could not fully figure out how these worked, but it is some sort of metal device inside of the switch and then coils on the actual PCB A, which I learned the difference between a PCB and a PCB A is a PCB is an unfinished circuit board. And the PCB A is a circuit board with all of its modules attached to it. So that makes me think that this is a, all the switches are attached and there's not much you can do. So I wonder what the modding category on this is for the nerds like me that like to do different things to their switches and keyboards.
1:18:19 Andrew Manganelli? But anyways, what's really cool about this is we haven't seen any wireless or some, but not many wireless hall effect keyboards because of the inefficiencies of each switch.
1:18:29 David Imel? Because they take more power.
1:18:30 Andrew Manganelli? So this, this new Ducky 1X does have Bluetooth and 2.4 gigahertz because they're saying it's far more energy efficient and it has pretty solid battery life.
1:18:39 David Imel? Interesting.
1:18:40 Andrew Manganelli? I think this is something that's going to be very popular because Ducky is already a popular brand in the gaming category. This will be popular for people who want those features, play games and want a slightly better keyboard, but don't really care about the stupid stuff I do where you're like spending hours looping switches and stuff.
1:18:56 David Imel? Yeah.
1:18:56 Speaker 03 So does this improve like latency?
1:18:58 Andrew Manganelli? It's not latency, it's. The benefits of Hall effect and what these inductive switches are is there's not one actuation point anywhere in the keystroke, it can calculate and you can change per key where those actuation and deactuation points are. And there's a lot of cool things in gaming for, it's not physical latency, but it's more like how fast things react because you can do 0.1 millimeter is like the actuation point for each key and stuff like that.
1:19:26 Speaker 03 My god.
1:19:27 Andrew Manganelli? Exactly. The other thing I want you guys to click on this, I saw this, keep seeing this auto retracting keyboard. So it's essentially, imagine like this big pad that you have in front of you. And then there are like a split keyboard.
1:19:43 David Imel? I'm out.
1:19:43 Andrew Manganelli? Where you're typing, but if you want to use your number pad or your trackpad, they are underneath the split keyboards and you like, if your right hand, you type, type, type, you lift your hand up and a camera sees it and it pulls away the keyboard and a trackpad pops up. And then you can use the trackpad and then you can lift your hand and then the keyboard swipes back in and you type, type, type. And then on the left, you lift your left hand up, numpad pops up.
1:20:07 David Imel? I love how we just went from the most energy efficient kind of keyboard to the thing that probably needs its own power supply.
1:20:17 Andrew Manganelli? This is good.
1:20:18 Speaker 03 Oh, okay. That was a piece of foam falling off the wall.
1:20:23 David Imel? Cool. It is cold.
1:20:24 Andrew Manganelli? Luckily, that's not, that part's not on camera. So we don't have to fix it right now.
1:20:27 Speaker 03 Wow.
1:20:28 David Imel? Yeah.
1:20:28 Speaker 03 Well, it wasn't near your body at all, so.
1:20:31 David Imel? I did fall in the background of a shot, though. Yeah.
1:20:34 Andrew Manganelli? I just saw Mariah's face, her eyes light up.
1:20:37 Speaker 03 It's the lights again.
1:20:38 Andrew Manganelli? I know. She looked like what I looked like when the light fell on Adam's head. So I got very scared for a minute.
1:20:43 Speaker 03 Well, you're wearing a hat. You're okay.
1:20:44 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, that's.
1:20:46 David Imel? One more thing to know on these keyboards. I feel like we are just trying to recreate the like things from WALL-E where you just get like wheeled around and you just don't move at all. And you just kind of do this to exist.
1:20:58 Andrew Manganelli? I think there's potentially.
1:21:01 Andrew Manganelli? At best here, like some accessibility.
1:21:03 David Imel? Totally.
1:21:04 Andrew Manganelli? Benefits. I don't think this is a mainstream thing. It's also.
1:21:08 David Imel? Paralyzed and you can't do this kind of movement.
1:21:10 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, like you have very specific hands movement and can't go that far left or right. This might be super useful. The thing is, is like, look how large, I mean, the, what I'm assuming power supply for this thing underneath is like a foot and a half tall in front of it.
1:21:27 David Imel? Yeah.
1:21:28 Andrew Manganelli? So where I put my keyboard on my desk, I literally wouldn't be able to fit the rest of it on there.
1:21:33 David Imel? Yeah.
1:21:33 Speaker 03 We need something to go on that plate in the front nearest to you. Maybe some kind of like food apparatus. So you don't have to move your head or neck as well.
1:21:41 Andrew Manganelli? Exactly. It needs the little arm from the robot vacuum to just feed me Doritos.
1:21:45 David Imel? There's a tiny microwave in there.
1:21:47 Speaker 03 They're cooking. They're making some.
1:21:49 David Imel? They're cooking. Wow.
1:21:51 Andrew Manganelli? I think that wraps up CES for us.
1:21:53 David Imel? Mostly, yeah.
1:21:54 Andrew Manganelli? I think that does. There is one thing we did not mention before, but since the trivia question is based on it, I want to go over it. Mark, it's about Bing.
1:22:02 David Imel? Wait, can we play this before we do the Bing segment?
1:22:05 Speaker 01 Hi, I hope you're having a fantastic day. What can I help you with? Oh, never been here before. Well, that's just the thing you can find all things with the Bing. We are more than a search engine. We are an engine that searches. Google.
1:22:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, Google is the leading search engine in the world and it was founded in. You know what I mean? Take me to Google.
1:22:40 Speaker 01 Give me a bow to here, man. Take me to Google now. Right through that door.
1:22:48 David Imel? Yeah.
1:22:48 Andrew Manganelli? Can you do me a favor, Marcus? Can you go to Bing.com right now?
1:22:51 David Imel? Yes, I can. Do they not get rid of this yet?
1:22:54 Andrew Manganelli? It worked for me yesterday. Can you type in Google and tell me what it does?
1:22:58 David Imel? Oh, let's do it. And not hit enter?
1:23:00 Andrew Manganelli? It's not doing it.
1:23:01 David Imel? It doesn't do it anymore. We'll try it. Try it on his. Enter.
1:23:05 Andrew Manganelli? No, they changed it. This worked yesterday.
1:23:08 David Imel? What did it do before? This is what it looked like when you would do it before. No way.
1:23:13 Andrew Manganelli? And funnier. Okay, so for audio listeners, essentially when you would type in Google and hit enter, this like, it wouldn't say Google, but what do they call it? Google doodles?
1:23:23 David Imel? Yeah.
1:23:24 Andrew Manganelli? So there would be this Google doodle-esque picture of a bunch of different people and then a search bar underneath it and then under it, a bunch of the results for Google. The best part about this is if you were in this, if you scrolled up, it revealed where the Bing search bar was. So it wasn't just making this page. It was auto scrolling down. So you didn't see the Bing bar above to tell that you were still on Bing.
1:23:48 Speaker 03 Oh my God.
1:23:49 Andrew Manganelli? It was so funny.
1:23:51 David Imel? Bing and being like, I got it. I got it. This is what, this is what's gonna happen. People are gonna come to Bing, they're gonna type in Google and then we got them.
1:23:58 Andrew Manganelli? I'm so mad it doesn't work for you.
1:23:59 David Imel? Using this. Do it. My God. Wow.
1:24:02 Andrew Manganelli? Oh my gosh, they really changed it. That's so funny. Well, like one of the, someone who worked for Google that works on Google search tweeted like imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and then just wrote new, new year, new low at Microsoft.
1:24:18 David Imel? It says imitation is a sincerest form of flattery, but Microsoft spoofing the Google homepage is another tactic in its long history of tricks to confuse users and limit choice.
1:24:26 Andrew Manganelli? New year, new low, Microsoft.
1:24:28 David Imel? New year, new low.
1:24:30 Speaker 03 Was this for like a special occasion or they just felt like, felt like doing it?
1:24:33 David Imel? I mean.
1:24:34 Andrew Manganelli? It went on for like a week. I have a feeling it was just.
1:24:37 David Imel? Yeah. So I saw this as a Reddit post on r slash Google like a week and a half ago. And then it got picked up by news organizations like a couple of days ago.
1:24:44 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:24:45 David Imel? So, yeah, I think.
1:24:48 Andrew Manganelli? You tried.
1:24:48 David Imel? They really thought that the AI ification of Bing was going to be their moment and it just wasn't. So.
1:24:54 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, they did have a moment there, but now.
1:24:56 David Imel? They thought.
1:24:56 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, they thought. That's, that's, that's brutal. Well.
1:25:00 David Imel? Yeah.
1:25:00 Andrew Manganelli? CES, by the way, so we're recording this on Wednesday. CES will continue to happen for the next few days. So there's probably going to be even more crazy stuff that we don't even know about between now and when you see this on Friday. So send it to us if you, if you think we should check it out next week. But either way, that's it. That's all, that's all we've seen. We do want to say one thing. There's some crazy fires going around in Los Angeles. So if you're a listener from over there, please be safe. We wish you the best, sending out good vibes to all of you. And yeah, stay safe out there. But I think it's time.
1:25:35 Speaker 01 Trivia.
1:25:36 Andrew Manganelli? Thank you.
1:25:36 Speaker 01 Sorry. Was that too soon?
1:25:37 Andrew Manganelli? No, I almost was like.
1:25:39 Speaker 01 I was waiting for the pause.
1:25:40 Andrew Manganelli? I didn't want to be. It's always you who throws it, so it felt wrong for me to do it. So I was gonna let you throw.
1:25:44 Speaker 01 Pause. That's great.
1:25:46 Andrew Manganelli? All right.
1:25:46 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:25:46 Andrew Manganelli? Hit it, Mariah.
1:25:52 Speaker 03 All right. Would we like to know the current standings?
1:25:54 David Imel? Yes.
1:25:55 Speaker 01 Oh, yes.
1:25:56 Speaker 03 So the current standing for season five that we just started is Marquez has two points. Andrew has zero points and David has four points.
1:26:06 Andrew Manganelli? Thanks.
1:26:07 Speaker 01 That's wild.
1:26:09 Andrew Manganelli? And you know you can carry that one.
1:26:12 Speaker 01 But yeah, I've still never won a trivia extravaganza.
1:26:15 Speaker 03 There's still time. There's still time.
1:26:16 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:26:16 Speaker 03 Quick refresh. Our question number one for you today is about CES. So in CES 2025, we've already seen some crazy cool stuff. And I want to know which of these is not a real product from this year's CES. So we have option A is the razor heated and cooled gaming chair. Option B is a 3D printer that makes cake batter and then cooks it with a laser. Option C is the Samsung stretchable display that just kind of bulges a little bit. Don't know why. And option D is that fun little critter that hangs on your bag.
1:26:54 Andrew Manganelli? I need to see a photo.
1:26:55 Speaker 01 And then E is.
1:26:56 Speaker 03 And then E is all of the above.
1:26:57 Speaker 01 Okay. And then.
1:26:59 Speaker 03 So which is not real.
1:27:00 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:27:05 Speaker 01 It's getting cold in here.
1:27:06 Andrew Manganelli? It's so cold. It's very cold. I can't feel my fingers.
1:27:09 Speaker 01 For those of you who don't know, we turn the AC slash heat off every time we do the pod because it makes noise right onto our microphones. And so whatever the temperature is outside, the temperature in here as we record slowly goes towards whatever the temperature is outside.
1:27:22 Andrew Manganelli? The room is 50% windows.
1:27:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:27:24 Andrew Manganelli? It's like 23 degrees.
1:27:25 Speaker 01 During the summer, it heats up. During the winter, it gets cold.
1:27:28 David Imel? For the Europeans out there, that's like negative five.
1:27:31 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:27:31 Speaker 01 C. It's chilly.
1:27:32 Speaker 03 All right, gamers, what do we got?
1:27:35 Speaker 03 All right, David said option B.
1:27:37 David Imel? I said B.
1:27:38 Speaker 03 What did you say?
1:27:38 Andrew Manganelli? I said all real.
1:27:39 Speaker 03 All real.
1:27:40 David Imel? And I said option A, the razor.
1:27:43 Andrew Manganelli? I know Marcus is wrong, because I saw that.
1:27:45 Speaker 01 Dang it. I would have seen it.
1:27:46 David Imel? The furry creature is also real.
1:27:48 Speaker 03 Andrew is correct. All of these are real things.
1:27:52 David Imel? They would probably all be real, but like, I thought they would have.
1:27:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, y'all gotta see this crazy little guy.
1:27:58 Andrew Manganelli? Creature, can you put it in our slot?
1:27:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, take a little look at him.
1:28:00 David Imel? I've seen it. I knew it was real. It just kind of hangs there and then just kind of like turns its head and stares at you.
1:28:07 Speaker 03 Same. He's a silly little guy.
1:28:08 Speaker 01 It's in waveform?
1:28:09 Andrew Manganelli? It's like a pink sloth that just kind of like turns its head around.
1:28:13 Speaker 03 It's a little cuter than like a Furby, I would say.
1:28:16 Andrew Manganelli? That's low bar.
1:28:17 Speaker 03 Question two.
1:28:18 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:28:19 David Imel? Okay.
1:28:20 Speaker 03 So Andrew got one point.
1:28:22 David Imel? Oh, who's the tearing the one?
1:28:23 Speaker 03 Give you that one. All right. So question two today is Bing is obviously trying to trick people into using a search engine. No surprise. So they are the number two search engine by US market share. Who is the number three spot holding the market share for search in the US?
1:28:40 Andrew Manganelli? I have three guesses. I feel like.
1:28:47 Speaker 03 There's only so many companies.
1:28:59 Speaker 03 Man, you guys are really thinking about this.
1:29:00 David Imel? I have two options that I ruled out, but I.
1:29:02 Andrew Manganelli? That you ruled out?
1:29:03 David Imel? Yeah. Well, yeah, a kind of a guess, though.
1:29:06 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, wait, before you say it.
1:29:07 David Imel? Yeah.
1:29:08 Andrew Manganelli? Can I say what my three guesses are?
1:29:10 David Imel? Yeah.
1:29:10 Andrew Manganelli? Not that which one I put down.
1:29:11 David Imel? Yeah, okay.
1:29:13 Andrew Manganelli? DuckDuckGo.
1:29:14 David Imel? Right, okay.
1:29:15 Andrew Manganelli? Yahoo.
1:29:16 David Imel? Right.
1:29:17 Andrew Manganelli? Ask Jeeves.
1:29:18 David Imel? Interesting.
1:29:18 Andrew Manganelli? It's. I feel like we've talked about Ask Jeeves not that long.
1:29:21 David Imel? It's just Ask.com.
1:29:22 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, it's just Ask.com?
1:29:23 David Imel? Oh, Ask, yeah.
1:29:24 Andrew Manganelli? Is it just Ask.com now?
1:29:26 David Imel? I.
1:29:26 Speaker 01 Although.
1:29:27 David Imel? All right, I'm gonna show, I'm gonna show you my board.
1:29:28 Speaker 03 Okay, show me what you got.
1:29:29 David Imel? I put Yahoo and I ruled out MSN and ChatGPT.
1:29:33 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, MSN.
1:29:34 David Imel? Because I think people might be using ChatGPT that much.
1:29:37 Speaker 03 God, I hope not.
1:29:39 Andrew Manganelli? Link aggregation?
1:29:40 David Imel? Well, they do have. You have the search engine. But it's still kind of in like private. It's not like.
1:29:44 Andrew Manganelli? I also put Yahoo.
1:29:46 David Imel? I put DuckDuckGo.
1:29:47 Speaker 03 Well, David is incorrect, unfortunately for him, but the both of you are correct.
1:29:52 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, let's go.
1:29:53 David Imel? Wow.
1:29:54 Andrew Manganelli? I was between Yahoo and DuckDuckGo.
1:29:56 David Imel? Probably my dad. I would guess. I would guess.
1:30:00 Speaker 01 People, I mean Yahoo's a big like news aggregator website and so people who just go to Yahoo.com, that's just where they.
1:30:05 Andrew Manganelli? I, that's, that was my, I think DuckDuckGo is like the non-tracking version, right?
1:30:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's privacy focused.
1:30:11 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:30:11 Speaker 01 Privacy focused, but I was, I think they got in trouble for that also.
1:30:14 David Imel? For tracking or something. Yeah.
1:30:15 Speaker 01 Dang.
1:30:16 David Imel? Yeah. Nothing is good anymore.
1:30:18 Speaker 01 I'm happy I got a point.
1:30:19 Speaker 03 Well, David's still in the lead by one point. Um, Andrew, you have a chance now.
1:30:23 Andrew Manganelli? I, that's changed the, the dynamic of that completely. It was four.
1:30:29 Speaker 01 It's two, three, four now.
1:30:29 Andrew Manganelli? Two, three, four now.
1:30:30 Speaker 01 Yeah. Do you like my duck?
1:30:32 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:30:33 Andrew Manganelli? Duck is like the only.
1:30:35 Speaker 03 Enhance.
1:30:37 David Imel? I don't really know how to draw that.
1:30:38 Speaker 03 Adam, zoom into that. Look at this little guy.
1:30:41 Speaker 01 It's out of focus now.
1:30:42 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
1:30:43 Speaker 01 Well, hey, that, that is, that's our show for this week. Lots more CS stuff coming. So like I said, send it to us. Tag at Waveform, we'll find it. And of course, uh, thanks for watching and listening as always, and we'll catch you guys next week.
1:30:57 Andrew Manganelli? Peace.
1:30:58 David Imel? Big year. Bye.
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