Pod Insights Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast Waveform Podcast Live at SXSW 2025! About this episode It's bonus episode time! Marques, Andrew, and David took the stage at SXSW 2025 this past Saturday to live in front of an audience for the first time! They started with the news that Apple Intelligence is getting delayed (again) before talking a bit about Digg making a comeback. If you don't know what Digg is, don't worry Andrew explains it. Then they took a bunch of questions from audience members with topics ranging from podcasting to AI and health tech. It was super fun to do our first live show and thank you do much to everyone that came to check it out! We had a blast and can't wait to do another one.
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1:23 Speaker 01 who, and more time actually shipping. Learn more at jira.com. That's J-I-R-A dot com. Hey, what's up, people of the internet? What you are about to watch is not recorded in the normal waveform studio, or at a normal time or place. It's recorded on a stage in front of a live audience in Austin, Texas, at South by Southwest on the Vox stage.
1:45 Andrew Manganelli? First live show ever.
1:46 Speaker 01 First live show we've ever done. It was fun. We tried to involve the audience in some parts of it. We also had some tech news to talk about. Just kind of playing with the format, having some fun with it. This is, we'll be right back to your regularly scheduled programming on Friday, but we figured we'd share this as well, so you guys could hear it and enjoy. The trivia question goes crazy. It's a good time. So, yeah, I think, without any further ado, throw it to South by Southwest versions of ourselves. Take it away.
2:26 David Imel? I didn't do that on purpose.
2:28 Speaker 01 Here we are, okay. What is up, people of the internet? Welcome to another episode, technically, of the Waveform Podcast. So we're your hosts. I'm Marques.
2:37 Andrew Manganelli? I'm Andrew.
2:38 David Imel? And I'm David.
2:39 Speaker 01 And this is the first time that we are recording an episode of this podcast live, in front of people. It's usually edited, and trimmed, and nice and clean. But, we figured this would be fun, and we love all the people here at SouthPies, so we're gonna do this. We actually want to involve you guys a little bit in this episode recording, so we're gonna ask two things. I wanna make sure I get this perfectly right. So first, we are going to ask for questions in the second half, so if you guys want to start brainstorming of any questions you want to ask us about tech, about YouTube, about being a creator, about any of the stories that we've talked about, start thinking about that. Two, I see a lot of you guys have your phones. This is perfect.
3:22 Speaker 01 Go ahead and open up the web browser, and we're gonna ask you to fill out a quick survey, and that will be part of the trivia for this episode. So we're gonna trivia quiz ourselves on what you guys answer. So, if you can go to waveform survey dot com. So you actually have to spell out waveform, which is spelled over there. Waveform survey dot com. I'll give you 15 seconds, real quick, to fill it out.
3:46 Andrew Manganelli? It should be pretty quick.
3:46 Speaker 01 Should be pretty quick. It's just basic questions. Do you have a case on your phone right now? What are the priorities you have in buying a phone, stuff like that? But yeah, that's basically it.
3:57 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Thank you all for coming. This is kind of awesome. We're usually trapped in a little tiny room with the best sound at the office, and this is far, far different.
4:04 David Imel? At the office, it's freezing. Here, I am just really sticky. It's just very humid.
4:09 Speaker 01 This is Texas. We usually record in the Northeast. So everyone's busy typing away, make sure to answer the questions real quick. Just the first thing that comes to mind, you see the question, you answer. Make it honest. Second half of the show, we'll quiz ourselves on what you guys answered. So it'll be fun. But yeah, for those of you unfamiliar with Waveform, typically, we are just talking tech. So the stories of the hour, the gadgets, we talk YouTube, we talk creator stuff, all sorts of that ecosystem. And lucky for us, there's always news and always stuff happening. So one of the things that I feel like we do want to chat about is Apple Intelligence is delayed again.
4:49 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I think it's funny because we always talk about how news gets released on Thursday or Friday. It takes us a week to cover it. So being here today, I think this got released before we hit our plane yesterday. And yeah, a lot of some news with Apple Intelligence, you know, the iPhone 16 was built from the ground up for Apple Intelligence.
5:07 Speaker 01 Right, totally. Yeah. So we've always had this quote that we say, and you might have heard this before, to never buy a piece of tech based on the promise of future software updates. And then we had iPhone 16 come out and we reviewed it. And one of the biggest features of it, because there wasn't that much different, was this promise of this future software update that was Apple Intelligence. And it did start to come out, to be fair. We have
5:33 Andrew Manganelli? Little.
5:33 Speaker 01 writing tools.
5:34 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
5:34 Speaker 01 We have, I mean, image playgrounds. There's not a ton of stuff in it. Can I get a casual show of hands? Does anybody use Apple Intelligence features on an iPhone or iOS device? We've got about maybe eighty, a hundred people here and I see twenty five hands. That's interesting. And then the rest of you just don't use it at all, at all.
5:56 Andrew Manganelli? Or they're waiting for Siri to be good.
5:58 Speaker 01 Yeah. So I think the interesting thing about this story is the one thing that is delayed is maybe the most useful part of Apple Intelligence, which is an upgraded Siri. So I use Gemini on my phone a lot. I actually find the voice assistant pretty useful. Do you guys use Google Assistant, AKA Gemini, or Siri, or any of these?
6:17 David Imel? I've started to use the Live Gemini a little bit more.
6:20 Speaker 01 I kind of love Live Gemini.
6:21 David Imel? It is surprisingly good, except for this morning, it was not good.
6:25 Andrew Manganelli? What did you ask it this morning?
6:27 David Imel? Something about wire transferring.
6:29 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
6:29 David Imel? Not in a weird way. I'm like a creep, you know, like I'm stealing people's money kind of.
6:33 Andrew Manganelli? Like an innocent question.
6:35 David Imel? Yeah.
6:36 Andrew Manganelli? I don't use it at all. I still just use my regular assistant to, you know, turn on the lights, turn off the lights.
6:41 Speaker 01 I think Gemini is low key incredibly impressive. So Gemini Live specifically, which is it's just a conversation with the assistant and it can take over and it'll see anything else on your phone. And if you want, it's multimodal and you can let it see your camera feed. And so I can literally open it up right now and point it at the camera. I can point it at this audience and ask it, what do you see? And it will add, it'll describe what it sees.
7:01 David Imel? Hopefully.
7:02 Speaker 01 Which is maybe not super useful right now because I know what I see, but let's see. Let's see, let's see what happens.
7:11 Andrew Manganelli? Ooh. Good noise.
7:13 Speaker 01 So, uh, what do you see right now?
7:17 Speaker 04 Okay. I see a large crowd of people in what looks like a conference hall. Are you here for a specific event?
7:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, this is South by Southwest. What should we do for these people?
7:28 Speaker 04 That's so cool that you're at South by Southwest.
7:30 Speaker 01 Thanks, man.
7:30 Speaker 04 There are tons of things to do there, from film and music festivals to tons of different interactive media events. What are you hoping to experience while you're there?
7:39 Speaker 01 I want to entertain the crowd we're looking at right now.
7:44 Speaker 04 Well, if you want to entertain the crowd, you can start by telling a joke or a funny story.
7:49 Speaker 01 That's right.
7:50 Speaker 04 Do some magic tricks or juggling.
7:52 David Imel? You could juggle. Can you, can you juggle live on the pod?
7:55 Speaker 01 I didn't bring anything to juggle.
7:58 Speaker 01 But I genuinely use this feature a lot. I pointed it at a YouTube video and asked it, like, are there other things from this creator I should know about? Just random stuff, just to see if it would work. And it almost always like works surprisingly well.
8:09 David Imel? Yeah.
8:09 Speaker 01 So I find it very, very useful, potentially even underrated. And then the Siri thing is supposed to be at least more able to like punch in and, and do things on your phone and, and dive into apps and change settings and things like that. And that's the, that's the useful thing I've been waiting for. And that's the thing that's delayed. So now Apple Intelligence kind of has this weak reputation where like nobody uses it or cares about it that much.
8:31 David Imel? Yeah, the news said that they are going to release it by the end of the year, I believe.
8:36 Speaker 01 This year?
8:36 David Imel? Or within a year.
8:36 Andrew Manganelli? They made an official announcement. They said they've been working on a more personalized Siri, giving it more awareness of your personal context, as well as the ability to take action for you within and across your apps. It is going to take us longer than we thought to deliver on these features, and we anticipate rolling them out in the coming year.
8:52 David Imel? I was honestly surprised that they even gave a date.
8:54 Andrew Manganelli? Super surprised.
8:55 David Imel? But they did the classic Apple thing of three quarters of it is just saying what they already announced, and then a little bit of like, "And maybe you'll get the thing that we told you we'd get."
9:04 Speaker 01 Okay, so, taking action for you within and across your apps. I think that part could be cool.
9:11 David Imel? That's like the Rabbit R1 killer whole thing. That's the whole thing. Because if you don't have as many APIs and all these apps anymore, because they're all closing down their APIs, if you can just have your assistant do stuff for you.
9:22 Speaker 01 Yeah. I'm so tempted to ask one of the questions that we didn't put in the survey. Should I ask it?
9:26 David Imel? Call me a new.
9:27 Andrew Manganelli? I'm scared of what it is.
9:28 Speaker 01 No, I want to try. I just want to ask it. Okay. So, AI assistants being able to take action is kind of a cool idea, right? Maybe if you even had like a piece of hardware that's dedicated to an AI assistant that can take action for you, and it's just always available. Maybe it's like attached to you or something. Maybe it's like magnetically.
9:47 David Imel? What if I had like a projector?
9:49 Speaker 01 And like, yeah, that would be kind of interesting. Did anybody here buy a humane pin? Is what I'm trying to ask. One hand.
9:54 David Imel? We got one.
9:55 Speaker 01 One hand. Did we make? You said what?
9:58 David Imel? Oh, he also returned it.
9:59 Speaker 01 You returned it? Yeah, same.
10:00 Andrew Manganelli? Good for you.
10:02 Speaker 01 Same.
10:02 David Imel? Yeah.
10:03 Speaker 01 That's interesting. I think my bet was going to be like three or four.
10:05 David Imel? Yeah. At least you don't work at HP now, so.
10:08 Speaker 01 Yeah. No, but the idea is cool though, still. So, AI assistants taking action for you. I think Siri has this enormously high ceiling and potential for people who don't really use AI that much to use AI and get real value out of it, and understand that it's useful and beneficial, and that would be cool. And that's the thing that's delayed. That's why it's sad news.
10:28 David Imel? Can I take a little mini poll?
10:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:31 David Imel? Does anyone here use Genmoji?
10:34 Speaker 01 Genmoji.
10:35 David Imel? We got, oh, oh, oh, okay.
10:37 Speaker 01 Seven or eight hands.
10:38 David Imel? Cool. I think I've proven a point.
10:40 Speaker 01 I've used Genmoji once, and it was while I was making my video explaining what it is.
10:47 David Imel? Well, if you've noticed, they've changed all of the billboards in Manhattan that used to say, "Hello, Apple Intelligence," to "Genmoji it."
10:55 Speaker 01 Wow. So the writing tools just get no love?
10:57 David Imel? I mean, the writing tools are...
11:00 Andrew Manganelli? The iPhone 16 is now the Genmoji phone?
11:02 David Imel? That's right.
11:02 Andrew Manganelli? There we go. So we were kind of expecting this in iOS 18.4, which now the developer beta is out.
11:08 David Imel? Which now supports RCS on Google Fi.
11:12 Andrew Manganelli? You're expecting a clap there, I think, but...
11:15 David Imel? Come on, let's go! Yes! Yes! Yeah! Yes!
11:18 Speaker 01 That's exciting news.
11:20 David Imel? Thank you, Alice.
11:21 Andrew Manganelli? I think, you know, with getting this announcement, is it safe to say we're not getting it even in iOS 18? And potentially iOS 19?
11:30 David Imel? That's a big question. I mean, it would be a big move if they just dropped it in iOS 19 in June.
11:37 Andrew Manganelli? A big move?
11:38 David Imel? Yeah, I mean, it would be funny.
11:40 Andrew Manganelli? It would be funny if Dub Dub just re-announced everything that they announced that last Dub Dub?
11:44 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
11:45 Andrew Manganelli? I agree.
11:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, so Dub Dub is going to be summer, right? So the summer is when we get...
11:49 David Imel? It's not that far away.
11:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, June. Yeah, it's not that far away. And so we'll get a bunch of iOS updates, and we'll get maybe some early betas, and maybe we'll see some previews of how that stuff's going to work. Are we even excited for it anymore?
11:59 Andrew Manganelli? Didn't we see that already?
12:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, we've seen almost everything we're expecting to come out.
12:02 David Imel? Yeah, unless it just comes out at Dub Dub.
12:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:06 David Imel? Yeah.
12:08 Andrew Manganelli? I don't think so. Girman, though, even went so far to say that people within the Apple AI division believe work towards Siri might need to be scrapped and rebuilt completely because of how poorly it's been working.
12:20 David Imel? What is this? That's bad.
12:21 Andrew Manganelli? That's not a great look.
12:23 David Imel? It takes some time to make things, and...
12:25 Andrew Manganelli? Which they're finding out right now.
12:26 David Imel? Yeah.
12:27 Andrew Manganelli? And if it's going to take that much time to remake... I guess you learn from it, right?
12:31 David Imel? Yeah. Well, yeah, but...
12:32 Andrew Manganelli? I guess my question to you all is, do we see the new Siri's features in 2025?
12:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think so. Well, here's why I'm optimistic. Because we have seen others try to do things like this. I remember doing a AI assistant battle where we had Google Assistant, back when it was called that, versus Siri, which wasn't that good back then either, versus Bixby
12:56 David Imel? Yeah.
12:57 Speaker 01 on Samsung phones
12:58 David Imel? Yeah.
12:58 Speaker 01 versus Alexa. But the thing about Bixby, because this was something Samsung was building into their phones, was it already had a specific ability to dig into apps on your Samsung phone.
13:07 David Imel? Right.
13:08 Speaker 01 And flip switches and set options for you and things like that. So I could ask it to turn the flashlight on or set an alarm, but I could also ask it to go into an app and change a setting. That was Bixby's highlight
13:18 David Imel? Right.
13:18 Speaker 01 in 2019 or whenever that video came out. So I don't see why that would be that difficult for Apple. They obviously build and control iOS and can make this easy for developers. I don't see why it should take that long.
13:30 Andrew Manganelli? We are not developers, so we do not know how hard that actually is. We just like to pretend for a little bit.
13:35 Speaker 01 But my non-developer brain saw Bixby do this
13:38 David Imel? Yeah.
13:38 Speaker 01 five years ago.
13:39 David Imel? Yeah, I mean, they acquired Siri a very long time ago. So the question becomes, did they ever completely rebuild it from the ground up? Or did they just build on top of really old code? And maybe that's the problem.
13:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, unclear.
13:52 David Imel? Yeah, unclear.
13:52 Speaker 01 It's cool animation, though.
13:53 David Imel? That is true. That is true. They use it in all the advertising.
13:57 Andrew Manganelli? Yes, if you had to take a guess of how they addressed this at Dub Dub, do you think we're just gonna get the re-announcement of everything? Do you think they're just gonna ignore that they're that delayed on it? How do you, how do you see that coming?
14:09 Speaker 01 So the statement that-
14:10 Andrew Manganelli? Are they gonna air-power it? We just never hear about it ever again?
14:13 Speaker 01 Well, that's Apple's public-facing trend, is they never publicly announce that something is delayed or not coming out anymore.
14:21 David Imel? Which is why it was surprising that this happened.
14:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, this, this, though, is a statement to a source. This is a statement to a paper.
14:27 David Imel? Yeah.
14:28 Speaker 01 They wouldn't go on their website or in an event and go, "All right, so this thing we told you about, it's delayed." They just don't tend to do that. So what they will do, I think, is re-announce what's already out. Genmoji's so useful, oh my god, Image Playground, it's so great. And then, if there's more stuff coming, they'll tell us that more stuff is coming, like the Siri stuff. That's what I think they're gonna do.
14:46 David Imel? Yeah.
14:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:47 Andrew Manganelli? I think it'll be a fun Dub Dub either way.
14:49 Speaker 01 We'll see.
14:49 Andrew Manganelli? It'll be a funny one.
14:50 David Imel? We'll see.
14:51 Speaker 01 All right, it's time for a real quick break. When we get back, we're gonna dig into Dig.
14:59 Speaker 01 Thank you.
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16:22 Speaker 01 All right. Our next story we want to talk about, because news just keeps coming, is the new DIG.
16:27 Andrew Manganelli? Yes. Can I take over this one?
16:29 Speaker 01 Yes, because I have never used DIG in my life.
16:33 Andrew Manganelli? Can I do my audience poll?
16:35 Speaker 01 Go for it.
16:35 Andrew Manganelli? Who out there was an old DIG user? Cool. All right. And did you all do the migration to Reddit in the process? Okay, cool. I was on Reddit and I remember the, like, great DIG migration. It was kind of like the DIG refugees on Reddit. It was back when Reddit was fun, which it has not been lately.
16:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:53 Andrew Manganelli? But within the last week, we got an announcement that DIG is being updated. And
16:59 Speaker 01 Purchased.
17:00 Andrew Manganelli? They purchased it. We actually looked, Adam and I this morning looked back. So the DIG Nation podcast has come back. They, about six months ago, started redoing it. I think the previous episode before that was 13 years ago. So it's been a while. One of the first things they said in the opening was, if you go to DIG right now, it's a 503. And he said to camera, Kevin Rose said to camera, if you own DIG, please contact me. I would like to buy it, relaunch it, and we can crush Reddit, which I thought was a very upfront and
17:28 Andrew Manganelli? Cool move, I guess.
17:29 David Imel? Yeah, big goal. Isn't Reddit a top 10 website on Planet Earth? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Top 5. So. Top 3. Okay. Bold claim.
17:37 Andrew Manganelli? Number 1.
17:39 David Imel? Number 1. I actually think it is top 5. It is top 3, for sure. I actually think Google and YouTube, and then probably some meta thing, and then probably Reddit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Top 5.
17:48 Andrew Manganelli? I'm gonna do a, for those of you who don't know about Dig, I'm gonna do a very quick
17:52 David Imel? Yeah.
17:52 Andrew Manganelli? TLDR about what it was.
17:54 David Imel? Catch this up.
17:54 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it was a previous competitor to Reddit, kind of like, front pages of the internet that relies on community votes to see, you know, what is the most happening story these days? Rather than upvotes and downvotes, they had digs and berries. I realized when I said this to Adam this morning, berry, B-U-R-Y, not the fruit.
18:12 David Imel? Oh.
18:12 Andrew Manganelli? So that was your way of going up or down.
18:14 David Imel? Yeah. Um, and. When you're digging, aren't you, like, going, you're burying something, right?
18:20 Andrew Manganelli? No.
18:20 David Imel? I'm with you.
18:21 Andrew Manganelli? I've never thought of it.
18:21 David Imel? You don't, digging up. I thought the same thing. I thought the same thing. Yeah.
18:27 David Imel? Sorry, I just.
18:28 Andrew Manganelli? That's.
18:29 David Imel? They should have thought about that before they named the platform.
18:31 Andrew Manganelli? Maybe that's why it went away. Um, but, so back then, there was certainly like this kind of sibling rivalry between if you were on Reddit or if you were on Dig. I know you were.
18:38 David Imel? I started on Reddit like 2011. I just kept telling people about it constantly. They just didn't care. But they care now.
18:45 Andrew Manganelli? They do. Well.
18:46 David Imel? So I was a trendsetter.
18:47 Andrew Manganelli? You were. You're always a trendsetter, David.
18:49 David Imel? Thank you.
18:49 Andrew Manganelli? Thank you very much.
18:50 David Imel? I appreciate that.
18:51 Andrew Manganelli? But it wasn't just between users that kind of had this rivalry. There's actually an email in 2005 of Alexis Ohanian emailing Steve Huffman saying, "Meet the enemy," with a link to Dig. So they clearly were competitors in this, this community aggregated news site.
19:07 David Imel? Hmm.
19:07 Andrew Manganelli? Um, and it was a fun, fun time back then. But, but Dig had a bunch of issues, a main one being power users. So back then, if you were a very frequent user of the site, essentially, your votes counted for more. And then you could be in a group of power users and essentially sell links aggregated to the top. And what Dig did to combat that is, they created, I think it was Dig4Pod at that back then, which made a bunch of changes, really disregarded the community, and, um, everyone left. Never good. It's never good when you're trying to make a whole bunch of money on something on a community-based.
19:44 David Imel? Website, it feels like.
19:46 Andrew Manganelli? Um, so everyone kind of moved to Reddit. I remember being on Reddit back then and being like, Reddit won. We did it. Which is really lame to say out loud in front of a bunch of people right now. But, uh, within the last week or two, Kevin Rose, the old founder of Dig, he is collaborating with Alexis Ohanian, former co-founder of Reddit, who left in 2020, and now they're launching the new Dig.
20:11 Speaker 01 So this is like Magic and Bird coming together to launch a...
20:14 Andrew Manganelli? Who?
20:15 Speaker 01 Bird? Sorry for that.
20:17 Andrew Manganelli? A bird? Do you want to do an analogy? It will come back to you.
20:21 David Imel? It's like, no.
20:23 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, cool.
20:24 David Imel? I think that wouldn't have worked.
20:25 Andrew Manganelli? I put you on the spot.
20:25 Speaker 01 Somebody understood that, right? Okay, thank you.
20:28 David Imel? Magic?
20:28 Speaker 01 Sorry.
20:31 Speaker 01 Old rivals coming together to launch something new today.
20:34 David Imel? Is he not dead?
20:35 Speaker 01 So, Magic? Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, big rivals back in the day, would be like crazy if they collaborated on something. That's kind of my equivalent.
20:44 David Imel? Like, they're on a...
20:46 Speaker 01 They're on different teams.
20:47 David Imel? This is basketball.
20:47 Speaker 01 Basketball, it's a sport. Sorry. And then they were enemies.
20:51 David Imel? Yeah.
20:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's the thing.
20:52 David Imel? Why were they enemies?
20:54 Speaker 01 Different teams.
20:55 David Imel? Okay. What about the, like, that new kid that everyone's into?
21:00 Speaker 01 Michael Dr...
21:01 David Imel? No, the trade, the trade thing that you guys are trying to explain?
21:03 Speaker 01 This is new, yeah, sorry. I'm, I'm back in, like, old school basketball, but that is also basketball.
21:11 Speaker 01 Yes.
21:11 David Imel? Okay.
21:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:12 David Imel? All right. Sorry, Andrew, can you continue?
21:15 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, no, don't worry, that's okay.
21:16 Speaker 01 That's the waveform podcast, that's how it goes.
21:18 David Imel? We usually cut that off.
21:19 Andrew Manganelli? I'll try and, like, wrap this. So there's not a whole bunch of stuff that they've released so far, um, minus, you know, Kevin Rose saying, "I want to take out Reddit directly." But it does seem like they're launching a new one. They're also doing a Dig Nation live podcast at South by...
21:33 David Imel? Tonight, I think.
21:34 Andrew Manganelli? Is it tonight?
21:34 David Imel? I think it's like tonight at 6.
21:35 Andrew Manganelli? So if any of you are interested in that, that sounds like a pretty cool time.
21:38 Speaker 01 I have a question.
21:40 Andrew Manganelli? Please.
21:40 Speaker 01 Do you think that Dig rebooting has a chance at actually taking down Reddit? Because I know nostalgia's big.
21:47 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
21:48 Speaker 01 And that nostalgia's very powerful, and that I think a lot of people who remember Dig and really liked Dig would give it a chance. But is there a chance that all of the normal, casual people who just browse Reddit would give Dig a chance?
22:01 David Imel? No.
22:02 Andrew Manganelli? Really?
22:03 David Imel? I think it's gonna be sort of similar to Twitter, Blue Sky. I think we're just gonna get all these kind of like smaller communities that start growing. And I think there will be a growing dig community, but I don't think it's gonna be a mass migration event like hap- happened when dig died and Reddit was born.
22:21 Andrew Manganelli? I do agree with that. I do think there's a little more to it right now in the sense that the general frustration on Reddit within the last year or two since taking away third-party apps, really messing up a lot of moderation tools. Like, they've said that they're really focused on bringing moderation tools to moderators on the new dig. Of course, they're saying they're using AI, so that's always like a fun red flag of like, what kind of AI are you using? But I think the reason being, I- I've never been on dig before, but as a res- I really not don't wanna call myself a redditor.
22:52 David Imel? You can say it.
22:53 Andrew Manganelli? So like, as someone who uses Reddit sometimes, I'm excited for dig just because of how much I feel like they've messed it up in the last year or two.
23:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, it feels like they saw a lot of opportunity with things that Reddit did wrong, and they put those things all on a whiteboard, and they said, "If we do that, then people will switch to our thing."
23:09 Andrew Manganelli? Agreed.
23:09 Speaker 01 And then we eat Reddit's lunch. Maybe that's the way they thought about it.
23:12 David Imel? Does the Narwhal bacon?
23:13 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, my goodness.
23:15 Speaker 01 That's a Reddit.
23:15 David Imel? 2011 was a really cringe time. There was a lot of cringe stuff out there.
23:19 Andrew Manganelli? They're.
23:20 Speaker 01 Early internet days.
23:21 David Imel? Including me.
23:22 Speaker 01 I'm, look, I'm rooting for competition. That's how I'll put it.
23:25 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I agree.
23:25 Speaker 01 Like Reddit is huge. Competition hopefully makes Reddit do more good things for moderators, for communities, for third-party apps and users. But we'll just have to wait for time to tell.
23:36 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I think the reason Reddit won't do that is because it's not good for market share.
23:39 David Imel? Okay, but.
23:40 Andrew Manganelli? Investor.
23:41 David Imel? Remember when Blue Sky blew up, and then all of a sudden Threads was like, "Here's like 30 new features that we have had ready, but just never released until we had competition."
23:49 Speaker 01 Competition.
23:50 David Imel? So maybe, maybe, maybe.
23:52 Speaker 01 Companies compete. We win.
23:54 David Imel? Not monopolies.
23:55 Speaker 01 It's huge.
23:56 David Imel? Big.
23:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:58 David Imel? Dig.
23:58 Andrew Manganelli? I'm interested, is there anyone who's on Reddit that has been frustrated with it that would, you know, we don't know much about dig, but would you be interested in moving to dig? I guess you can go to both of them, so it doesn't really matter, but. Damn. Anyone? Cool, okay, so never mind. Dig is screwed, nothing is going to happen with it.
24:16 Speaker 01 The other thing about these sites is they are so dependent on community, kind of like social networks, so they kind of require at least some mass migration event to have a bunch of users, to have a bunch of content, to have a bunch of stuff to do, and to sort through and to follow, etc. So even if you're one of a small number of people who is interested in Dig, Dig doesn't exist without a whole bunch of people there. So that's a barrier that I see, but at least they're, you know, they're here, they're doing stuff.
24:42 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I'll be interested to see what they say tonight. Like, Southby feels like a place to announce things, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do that.
24:49 Speaker 01 What are we announcing?
24:51 Andrew Manganelli? Good question. Our first live event happened 20 minutes ago. That didn't do very well. Cool. I have, let's move on. I have one more quick question before we get to audience Q and A, which hopefully there's some people interested in asking questions.
25:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:07 Andrew Manganelli? We're, this is our first time at Southby. We've been to plenty of other tech events. I know both of you, I've never done Mobile World Congress, but you guys have, and we've done CES, and we've done kind of everything. And I think, you know, if you're watching the video, you don't get the general vibe about what's going on at those events. So I want to pose a question of what is the coolest, most unique, or weirdest thing you've ever witnessed at a tech convention? It can be someone trying to sell you something. It could be a piece of tech that looked really cool, but when you got closer to it, it wasn't quite as cool. Or it could be one of the coolest things you've ever seen, and you wonder where it went.
25:40 Speaker 01 I have a thing that came to mind, that's probably not where you were thinking, but it works for me. In, the first, I've only been to Mobile World Congress once. This year, by the way, was a really interesting, a lot of stuff happened there. But it's in Barcelona, it's every year. And the one year that I went, I had no clue what I was doing. I was in Airbnb several miles away from the convention center, and I saw the taxi line, which was hours long, and I decided, hmm, what if I just walked back to my Airbnb? And so I just walked with all my camera gear through the streets of Barcelona, back.
26:11 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, no.
26:12 Speaker 01 No, it was, and it, nothing happened.
26:14 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, good, okay.
26:14 Speaker 01 And it was great, it was cool. I saw all sorts of architecture and all sorts of parts, and I had some good food, and it was a good time. And that was the coolest part of that mobile of Congress for me. So that's
26:23 Andrew Manganelli? That you walked?
26:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, that I saw. I saw a new city and it was like a cool experience and it had nothing to do with any of the tech at the show.
26:31 Andrew Manganelli? We are really bad at experiencing new cities because like we flew in, when we landed at six last night, our plane is at five today. So we're really bad at experiencing and Austin's a really awesome city. I wish we were here a little longer.
26:45 David Imel? Speak for yourself, man.
26:45 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, you're staying, but uh, do you have a fun experience or?
26:49 David Imel? Oh, man. Hmm. I like the ping pong robots at CES. They're there every single year.
26:56 Andrew Manganelli? I feel like the first year they were there, it was like the biggest hype. There was a huge line and it was really hard to get there. And now, since then, they're just still running off of that hype from like five years ago.
27:06 Speaker 01 I got to play the ping pong robot the first year it was there and they had these like, this like roped off area around it and they had someone doing a demo. And so I got up there and I started playing against it and I was, you know, kind of holding a rally for a while and then I hit one kind of fast, you know, and I beat it.
27:22 David Imel? Ooh.
27:22 Speaker 01 And I was like, wow, I beat the ping pong robot. And they were like, cool, great. Yeah. So we can change the difficulty level here.
27:28 David Imel? That was on baby mode.
27:29 Speaker 01 Yeah. So, and then immediately it was incredible. So, yeah, it's, it's one of the coolest things there, actually.
27:34 David Imel? Yeah.
27:34 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. I have one small one, maybe a second funny story if we have time, but we were looking at, it was a BMW experience and one of their new like autonomous, uh, I think it was like an I3. It was a smaller, the hatchback.
27:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:50 Andrew Manganelli? And it's kind of on the floor at the BMW booth with a, a wire around it, but they were nice enough to let us go in and, and film it with a bunch of people around. So Marcus sits in the backseat to get a shot and he goes to scoot over to the other seat and all the BMW employees are like, no, no, hold on. That middle seat is actually cardboard underneath and if you scoot across it, it will collapse. You'll fall into there. Um, and so we had to walk out around, but that's just like on video, all of this stuff looks really cool. A lot of the stuff at these events are like held together with twist ties and chewing gum.
28:23 David Imel? Many of the things that many of these events are not real. That's kind of the sad part about it.
28:29 Speaker 01 Especially with cars.
28:31 Andrew Manganelli? Do you remember when the Hummer EV came to our office?
28:33 David Imel? And they were like, it can melt if you leave it outside.
28:36 Andrew Manganelli? In the sun too long, the interior functions might melt in on the dashboard.
28:40 David Imel? Yeah.
28:40 Speaker 01 Yeah. That's kind of the state of, uh, this isn't a news thing that we have, but that's kind of the state of, of a lot of early EVs right now. Like I just saw a video from a fellow YouTuber, good friend Zach Jerry, everything on the Tello truck. I watched it on the plane on the way here. Super cool concept. It's like this small footprint electric truck with four seats and a five foot bed in the footprint of a Mini Cooper. It's like, oh, that seems really cool. Had a reasonable range, 1100 pound towing, or uh, I think it's 7,000 pound towing, 1700 pound cargo capacity. It was like, oh, this is a really cool thing. I'm very inspired. I go to their site. They're like, this isn't out yet. And this is kind of the one that they've built that works.
29:20 Andrew Manganelli? But you can reserve it.
29:22 Speaker 01 But you can put your 150 bucks down and reserve it. And it's like, I've seen this a lot of times. I've been Zach in this situation. I did a video about the Faraday future at CES 2015? I don't even know how long ago that was.
29:35 Andrew Manganelli? 2017, because that's the one you hired me.
29:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, 2017, and that never came out, but we got a really cool working car in person. And it turns out it's really, really easy to build one.
29:47 David Imel? Yeah.
29:47 Speaker 01 And then you can roll it around CES or South by Southwest, wherever you want. And then it's really, really hard to build 100,000 of them.
29:56 David Imel? Yeah.
29:56 Speaker 01 And so that's been my new philosophy. Like when Tesla rolls out this robo van and they're like, trust me.
30:01 David Imel? The robo van, you mean?
30:02 Speaker 01 Yeah. And I'm, uh, I'm, I look skeptical because I've seen this pony show before. But we'll see, we'll see. I want these things to come out. It's just really hard to trust when I only see one.
30:14 David Imel? Well, unless that Trello Mini Cooper thing has a twerking AI dog on the dashboard, I don't want it.
30:20 Speaker 01 That's a deep cut. That's a Mini Cooper reference. Yeah. Well, hey, look, that's about all the news that we have. So I think what we should do is we should introduce, Ellis is over here and Adam, where'd Adam go?
30:32 Speaker 06 He's back there.
30:33 Speaker 01 Adam's back there. They're waving their hands and they have microphones in their hands. Can you hear me now? Ellis.
30:38 Speaker 06 Yeah.
30:39 Speaker 01 So if anyone has a question.
30:41 Speaker 06 Does anyone have questions? Who's, who's near? Adam, I think this is a you. You've got, you've got the talkative side of it.
30:47 David Imel? This is a you problem, Adam.
30:48 Andrew Manganelli? I see someone, hold on, coming over.
30:50 Speaker 06 Scary.
30:51 Andrew Manganelli? Gary's scary. We're gonna try and get as many questions as possible too.
30:54 David Imel? Yeah.
30:55 Speaker 07 Hello, my name is Tree Wendell. I'm from Ohio University. This is also my first time at South by Southwest. I'm very excited to see you guys here. My question for you is if you had unlimited resources to invent or create a ground piecing piece of tech, no matter how futuristic or unrealistic, what would it be and why?
31:09 Speaker 06 Crumple phone.
31:11 Andrew Manganelli? Thanks, Alice.
31:13 David Imel? Wow, unlimited resources is huge.
31:15 Andrew Manganelli? I have a really quick one, if you guys want to think of it. I just had a child. She's like 14 months old. Every piece of baby tech is absolute garbage. I would completely reinvent baby tech, make it actually high def, or make the apps actually useful. Or maybe just, you know, maybe we don't need apps for it. Maybe the white noise machine just needs an on and off switch. But I think, I think there's an untapped market there because everything I seem to do as a tech person hurts my soul.
31:45 David Imel? I like that answer a lot.
31:46 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
31:46 David Imel? That also doesn't require unlimited resources.
31:49 Speaker 01 It seems like it does.
31:50 Andrew Manganelli? There's a lot of babies out there.
31:53 David Imel? Dang. I never thought about that. Do you think there are as many babies as there are like, non-babies?
31:59 Speaker 01 No.
32:01 Speaker 01 I don't think so.
32:04 Andrew Manganelli? There's a lot of babies though. There's a lot.
32:07 Speaker 06 Alright, we got one over here.
32:08 Andrew Manganelli? One of you guys have a...
32:10 Speaker 06 Wait, they didn't have an answer. I want to hear an answer.
32:13 Speaker 01 Unlimited resources.
32:15 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
32:15 Speaker 01 My brain weirdly went straight to like, could we do humane over again?
32:20 Andrew Manganelli? Oh my.
32:21 Speaker 01 And like make a good...
32:21 Andrew Manganelli? Really?
32:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, cuz, I mean, they essentially take unlimited resources. So, I would want to create a good AI that like, like, has a personal understanding of everything in my phone, even though that's kind of impossible, and then can be super useful for me, but...
32:37 Andrew Manganelli? But, so humane then that actually connects to your phone and you don't need a separate phone number for?
32:41 Speaker 01 Yeah. Like an accessory.
32:42 Andrew Manganelli? I can't believe they didn't think of that.
32:45 David Imel? I'm gonna maybe do my, my, one of my senior projects in college, that I got an A+ on by the way, so it's a good idea.
32:52 Andrew Manganelli? Are you pitching this right now?
32:53 David Imel? We are at a place where I could do this. Okay, so imagine this, right? Uh, so it's an ISP, but for people's homes, okay? And it's called Wi-Fi. This is already all built out. It's called Wi-Fi. So it's Wi-Fi, obviously. But it was right after the Google Home, no, the Google Wi-Fi first came out, where they were like, "Oh, mesh networks. We're gonna do mesh networks." So imagine you have a node in your home, but it's like, it's like 2 gigahertz. It's like, it goes super far, right? And it goes to the street, but you can also ping off of other people's homes. Okay? So the whole idea is like, we give everyone in the world free internet,
33:36 David Imel? but then you have like, local ads that are running from like, local businesses if you don't pay for the internet. But then if you're at home, you get to say, "I don't use my bandwidth from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., so I'm gonna give 85% of my bandwidth to the community." And then you get money off of your payment every month, the more bandwidth you give out.
33:58 Andrew Manganelli? Great pitch.
33:58 David Imel? So it's a pitch. Comcast stole this idea from me. Comcast did steal this idea. But you have to be a Comcast customer in order to use the internet, and I think that everybody should have it, not just Comcast.
34:11 Andrew Manganelli? Man of the people.
34:13 David Imel? Man of the people. So, well, there's the answer.
34:15 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
34:15 David Imel? That does require unlimited resources.
34:17 Andrew Manganelli? Thank you for the question.
34:18 David Imel? Yeah.
34:19 Speaker 07 Hi, my name's Darius. I loved the recent video called "Our Foldables Cooked." Great title. In the U.S., foldables really haven't gone mainstream. Do you think that Apple releasing a foldable will change that, considering the premium they'll probably charge? Or do you think this might be another Vision Pro moment? I'm a little biased, because I've owned like, five foldables, and I just purchased the Apple Findian. Just waiting on that to arrive.
34:45 David Imel? I'm so jealous. Really good question. Thank you. That's a part of the video I left out of the video, actually, which is the Apple factor. So, just to catch people up who haven't watched it, foldables, really, really cool tech. But they're kinda stagnating a little bit in this way, where it feels like the tech has gotten super good, but then people just aren't switching to them yet. And, short answer, yes. I think Apple jumping in with a foldable will reinvigorate all of the competition, all of the attention, all of the eyeballs, and will make that interesting again. But the premium that you mentioned is also real. So...
35:24 Speaker 01 These foldables versus this foldable?
35:27 David Imel? Hot dog versus hamburger.
35:29 Speaker 01 These all have this massive premium and I think that's a huge barrier. But this one, which I think might be more likely for Apple to try. We've seen those for $6.99 from Motorola, $9.99 from Samsung. And I think this could be in a not so Vision Pro price category. That I think could get a lot of people interested. And I think that's the moment Apple jumps in is when they can make that and it's reasonable for people to consider. So, good question. It's like a section of the video that probably fell out of my head and into yours. I like that.
35:56 David Imel? I've also started to see a lot of hamburger foldables in New York City.
36:00 Speaker 06 Is that flip or fold?
36:02 David Imel? It's the flip, the flip.
36:03 Speaker 06 The flip is hamburger.
36:04 David Imel? Cause hamburger, you put the, you put the top, the square.
36:06 Speaker 06 The patty would fit better in that.
36:08 David Imel? Yeah, exactly.
36:09 Speaker 01 So, this all works great for an audio medium.
36:12 David Imel? Yeah, yeah.
36:13 Andrew Manganelli? It's our specialty.
36:13 David Imel? I'll just do that. Okay, so yeah, I've seen a lot of them on the subway. The category's growing and that's even on like, you know, non-Apple phones, which in the United States is a very low number. So, I think if they release that and it's in that $1,000 category, I think that will be a bigger super cycle than Apple intelligence.
36:33 Speaker 01 Totally agree.
36:34 David Imel? Would Apple do that? Because right now, a 16 Pro Max is $1,200. Would they release one with a folding screen that's less expensive than their?
36:42 Andrew Manganelli? Has less features.
36:44 David Imel? I think it has to be the most premium one. I still, it still doesn't matter as much though. Like the Pro Max is the most popular iPhone in the United States because everyone just gets a carrier plan and it's like $3 more a month.
36:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:55 David Imel? They'll do it, everyone will buy it.
36:57 Speaker 01 Interesting.
36:58 Andrew Manganelli? Cool. Next question right here.
37:02 Speaker 07 Hey, how's it going guys? I've been following you guys for a long time, appreciate you guys.
37:05 Andrew Manganelli? Thank you very much.
37:07 Speaker 07 Do you think Apple will ever come out with a touchscreen device? Like a Mac or even the Studio Display? Cause sometimes you're trying to edit and stuff like that and it sucks to not be able to just go there.
37:20 Andrew Manganelli? The what is it? What's the matte screen called?
37:23 Speaker 01 Nano texture?
37:24 Andrew Manganelli? Nano texture would hate that.
37:27 Speaker 01 No, they have a nano texture iPad.
37:29 Andrew Manganelli? Dude, yeah, is it the same as your screens? Your screen like you accidentally touch it once. My my Pro Display XDR is the messiest thing on my desk.
37:37 Speaker 01 I have a lot of thoughts on this. My general philosophy is if they could have, they would have done it. They they could have, they would have done it already if they wanted to. They don't want to. Apple has enough overlapping products that if they gave something like a MacBook Air, for example, a touchscreen, then iPad Pro with a keyboard would be cannibalized a little bit. Like, they kind of have to keep these things separate enough that a Mac with a touchscreen, as much as we all think it makes intuitive sense, and there are tons of other touchscreen laptops out there, Apple won't do it because in Apple's universe, that's not good for their other stuff.
38:11 David Imel? I think it's way more likely that they add a feature on like the iPad that allows you to use it as a drawing tablet mirroring on to your display than it is they release an actual touchscreen Mac.
38:21 Speaker 01 They have these ads all the time where they show somebody who has an iPad and they plug it into a studio display.
38:26 David Imel? Yeah.
38:27 Speaker 01 Like, it's a real person that they think exists.
38:30 David Imel? That they think exists.
38:31 Andrew Manganelli? They think is the key word there.
38:33 David Imel? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, so no.
38:36 Andrew Manganelli? Sorry, I unfortunately don't think so either.
38:39 Speaker 06 All right, next question over on this side.
38:43 David Imel? Hi, guys. Uh, name is Yarian, longtime viewer, great to see you in person. Uh, my question's about your use of AI. So you've shared a lot of sort of personally useful uses of AI. But in the running of your businesses, of the YouTube channel, the podcast, what are uses of AI that are saving you a lot of time or just making your business way more efficient? Ellis has.
39:01 Andrew Manganelli? Ellis wants to answer this really bad.
39:03 Speaker 06 As of as of last week, I became a vibe coder. I'm officially writing tons of code and don't know what any of it means. And and Claude did something crazy for me last week where I'm building a website in a web builder that's really cheap and doesn't support tables. Oops. And I needed a table to build a table in it. So I'm building it in HTML CSS style, like no idea what I'm doing. And my idea was like, oh, I'll use Google Sheets that'll like maintain the table and then I'll download the HTML, throw it in the embed. Google Sheets, when you download HTML of a table, puts all this formatting in it. Ew, gross, disgusting. And I don't know how to code, so I don't know how to get rid of that formatting. And I was like, Claude. What do I do? And Claude wrote me a web app that automatically removes all the styling.
39:48 Speaker 06 It was like, I got you, bro. So that's what I'm using AI for. I'm vibing my way through code. And yeah.
39:54 Speaker 01 That's actually very legit.
39:56 David Imel? Is this an industry term, vibe coder?
39:58 Speaker 06 It's a Twitter term. Same difference.
40:01 David Imel? It is now.
40:03 Speaker 01 I have another use of AI that we kind of dig into a little bit. And I mean, so we make YouTube videos and there are endless analytics that we can dive into on YouTube. Because there's a whole spectrum of YouTubers, those who check studio every day, those who just kind of make the video and then it's just vibes. I'm in the numbers. I'm very curious about things like retention and things that we can optimize. And there are AI tools now that will look at past videos we've made, other outliers from other channels, and things that have worked well on the platform in the past and suggest versions of that that could work for us. And video making decisions for me have always been a combination of what I think people would watch and what I'm interested in. So I'm sorting through that AI-generated stuff to figure out what sort of overlaps between them. And it's been surprisingly helpful.
40:47 David Imel? The most useful use for me is when I'm doing research on something that has like one total source on the internet and it's from a forum from 50 years ago. And just asking it a question that I like, I can take the time to read a math book and dissect how it works, or I can have it tell me in baby talk how it works. And then, oh, that makes a little more sense. And then I read the math book and then it's a lot easier to understand.
41:13 Speaker 06 Also, 50 years ago is not an exaggeration. When we were doing the ICANN episode, we were pulling sources from Usenet posts that had been archived, which were from the early 80s.
41:24 David Imel? Yeah, not quite 50.
41:25 Speaker 01 That was 50 years ago.
41:26 David Imel? It was 40 something.
41:28 Speaker 06 Feel old, yeah.
41:29 David Imel? Feel old, yeah.
41:30 Andrew Manganelli? I don't really use AI at all currently. But Adam did use it the other day. We were thinking of a name for a segment in the podcast where we say the best thing and the worst thing of the month in tech. And it came up with the idea Crown and Clown, which I thought was actually super creative.
41:47 David Imel? I could have done that. I don't know.
41:50 Andrew Manganelli? That's why I don't use AI. I have David.
41:51 David Imel? That's right.
41:52 Speaker 06 Yeah. You can't, you can't spell David without AI and a few other letters.
41:58 David Imel? Next question over here.
41:59 Speaker 01 I never thought about that.
42:01 David Imel? That's pretty good.
42:03 Speaker 06 Hi, everyone. My name is Yuri Benedict and I would like to ask about the podcast. Your YouTube.
42:08 Speaker 07 Production quality and storytelling is top tier. And I would like to know, how do you translate what you learn doing YouTube video into your podcast? How does one make a great podcast like that?
42:21 Andrew Manganelli? We, I remember, so when we pitched the pod, when I pitched the podcast to Marquez,
42:28 Andrew Manganelli? everyone on YouTube was kind of doing it and I really wanted to make sure that we did it in my eyes like correctly. So we went audio first because in our eyes, and we're still very bad at this, but we wanted to be able to describe things to audio listeners. And we thought we needed to go through the audio version first. So we did that and I do think we learned a lot as, you know, now that we're on video, we've probably gone back a few steps.
42:53 Andrew Manganelli? But that was our main goal of doing that. And then since then, in typical MKBHD fashion, we're shooting in the most unnecessarily high definition and have way too many people working on it. But I think we've like been, not way too many people, sorry, Adam and Ellis.
43:09 Andrew Manganelli? I think we're crazy efficient in terms of how I hear a lot of other podcasts. And I think keeping it close has let us do that and let us really like grow the show organically and like get to test new things and see it directly in the numbers.
43:22 David Imel? Yeah, I think when you are building other YouTube videos, you probably just develop strategies and kind of concept. It's kind of like making a normal YouTube video in a lot of ways. Cause I've talked to people who do podcasts and they've only ever done a podcast and not done YouTube videos. And they're like, oh yeah, we record for three hours and we get 25 minutes of useful content. We record for like two and we do like an hour and a half show, which I think is a pretty good hit rate.
43:45 Speaker 07 Close to three.
43:47 Andrew Manganelli? This is the guy who has to edit it every week.
43:49 Speaker 01 And in general, I think a lot of the production quality stuff that you see on the main channel, it became the expectation for the main channel. So I think what was interesting was this sort of just chat show format became a void that we opened and the podcast was a perfect way to fill that. It's still high production for a podcast, but we have these stories and these incredibly big pieces that we do on the MKBHD channel and then we can kind of just chat. It's a different way of doing the same thing.
44:16 Andrew Manganelli? Waveform was originally pitched as. Coming to the office and Mark has a would be, hey, did you see this? Hey, did you see that? And we would talk and realize we're like an hour and a half into our day and we haven't actually done any work. And we're like, we should record this.
44:27 David Imel? Our conversations are so cool. We should just record them.
44:30 Andrew Manganelli? Everyone wants to hear us. Yeah. Total ego move on that one. But I think because of that, it's just conversation. We're all friends and I think it's worked out really well from that, even though everyone tells us we interrupt each other all the time, but.
44:42 David Imel? Sorry.
44:45 Speaker 01 All right, we'll take one more quick break, but when we come back, many more interesting questions and all the answers.
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45:33 Speaker 06 Cool. I saw one in the front row. Can you remind me? Thank you very much.
45:39 Speaker 07 First of all, I love your videos. I've been watching since I've been in elementary school. My name is Sarvesh.
45:44 Andrew Manganelli? Feel old yet?
45:46 David Imel? Feel old yet?
45:47 Andrew Manganelli? How old are you?
45:48 Speaker 07 I'm 19.
45:50 Speaker 01 I am ancient.
45:52 David Imel? Returning to dust.
45:53 Speaker 07 My name is Sarvesh. I'm from the University of Tulsa and also the founder of Aura Patch and Glauke AI. As a 19 year old in med tech, I wanted to ask you, how can we integrate healthcare into our mobile technology that we have currently?
46:07 Andrew Manganelli? Big question. That might be a little.
46:09 David Imel? That's like the big next frontier of what all these companies are trying to do.
46:13 Speaker 01 So if you watch enough Apple Keynotes. There is a heavy emphasis on like you have these devices on you all the time and we're in your pockets already, so we might as well be collecting and creating as much useful information for you as possible from that. And that works in the ecosystem of Apple and the stuff that they do. So that makes it difficult for those outside to create something that you also carry on in person every day and also gives you useful information. So it's kind of these two worlds of healthcare on your person, the stuff that you already have and the stuff that you might also want to add. I do think Apple does a pretty good job.
46:56 Speaker 01 I mean, they have great stories, every keynote about like the Apple Watch saved me because it alerted me of this thing I didn't know I had and I was in the woods and a bear attacked me.
47:05 Andrew Manganelli? That was in someone's house that the bear came in.
47:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, crazy stories, but like.
47:08 David Imel? That was the weirdest one I've ever seen.
47:11 Speaker 01 But they, but it's, they're real stories. And so this, this advantage of them being able to do as much as possible with the sensors and the things on your person is inspiring. But the other side of that coin is they make it really hard for others to like plug in. I've seen a good amount of things that plug into Apple Health, like the, what is it, the Eight Sleep has like the, all the plugs to Apple Health. So like I get a watch notification that tells me about how my mattress thinks that I slept, which is crazy to say out loud.
47:38 Andrew Manganelli? What a world we live in.
47:39 Speaker 01 But, um, long story short, yeah, there's a lot of data being, being collected and I'm pretty happy about a lot of the, the value I've gotten out of that.
47:48 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I think that's pretty above my head. I know nothing about med tech or anything. I don't think I have a specific answer for that. I mean, I'm, I'm a very health anxious person, so if there were things that could help with that anxiety, I would love it.
48:01 David Imel? Yeah, I mean, especially in the United States where healthcare is a bazillion dollars. It's very clear that the next kind of frontier there is preventative health. And I think that's what all these companies are trying to get into. It's like, can we actually just try to keep you healthier throughout your life? Can we alert your doctor of like early symptoms so that you don't actually have to go to the hospital and go into bankruptcy? That'd be, that'd be great. That'd be great.
48:24 Andrew Manganelli? And if you haven't watched our Dr. Mike interview, it's really good and he has a lot of opinions as a medical professional as well, for anyone out there, it's a great episode. Yeah, we have approximately six minutes before we want to do our trivia. So if we want to do some kind of rapid fire questions.
48:39 Speaker 06 Okay, yeah, right over here.
48:41 Andrew Manganelli? Or quick ones, or if you want to point them at somebody.
48:44 Speaker 06 All right. Hi, my name is Deshaw. I'm from UT Dallas. This is my first time at South by Southwest, so it's pretty cool to see you guys in person.
48:52 Speaker 06 So yesterday I attended a talk by the CDO of D-Wave. So they're invested in quantum computing. So right now, everyone's talking about AI. And I just, it kind of reminded me a few years ago, nobody really understood AI. But now everybody's somehow understands AI. And I feel that we're on the frontier of quantum computing, especially with what Microsoft did. Like, I think a couple of weeks ago. So just based off that, like, what's your opinion of quantum computing? And do you see it being relevant in the next five years?
49:22 Andrew Manganelli? I'll leave this to you, too.
49:24 Speaker 01 I have one really overarching thought, which is that the branding is terrible. So I did a video where I got to actually see a quantum computer and learn essentially everything I could possibly dream with Cleo Abram. And I went to IBM and we got to see all this cool stuff. The stats are incredible. The super low temperatures in the thing are incredible. Just the hardware is amazing. And at the end of that, I came away thinking, wow, these things are super, super cool, but I still can't explain it to anyone. And I think AI, in its branding, is artificial intelligence. I think to my parents, I could say, hey, this is another intelligent thing. It can help you with stuff that's super easy. Quantum computing has never had an easy, at least to me, explanation of why it's super helpful. Even though the advancements are incredible.
50:09 Speaker 01 And this huge stuff Microsoft is doing, I don't know if you saw that. They started giving people tours of their quantum computer. They're setting new records with the amount of qubits in theirs. But how do I tell people who aren't going to use that technology how useful it's going to be? Really, really hard. So AI seems like it's the most connected to us. It's in our pockets. It's everywhere. But quantum computing has like a branding problem.
50:29 Andrew Manganelli? They need a market.
50:29 Speaker 01 Yeah. The big question, too, is like, when is it actually going to be released for scientists or people to actually use? Because I feel like quantum computing's been five years away for 50 years. Like, I remember reading Wired magazine.
50:42 David Imel? When I was like six years old and they're like, next year's the year, we're gonna change everything, everything's gonna be better. And I know that there are huge advancements being made in this field and they're like, we're getting up to these insanely high qubit numbers that we didn't have before. But yeah, like Marques, tell me what that's actually useful for. And then also, is it like real or is it?
51:00 Speaker 01 I guess a lot of it is because it's very research, it's not very consumer facing. That was part of what we talked about in the video is like, it doesn't really touch the end consumer. Like with AI, I keep bringing it back, but like people use AI.
51:12 David Imel? Right.
51:12 Speaker 01 With with the research and with all the stuff that quantum computers are good at, every time they pass this milestone qubit number, there's some new thing that they've unlocked, that they've been able to do more simulations or be able to compute more things. And that's just for the researchers that are doing that type of stuff. And it's like, not consumer facing.
51:29 David Imel? Right.
51:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
51:30 David Imel? Right, right.
51:31 Andrew Manganelli? Last two, Ellis, do you have one?
51:32 Speaker 06 Do we have time?
51:33 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
51:33 Speaker 06 We're doing it?
51:33 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, do two more. You're on.
51:35 David Imel? All right, let's go.
51:36 Andrew Manganelli? Hey, I'm Pulket, I'm, I work at a privacy tech startup based out of New York called Cloak. I had a question on AI hardware. What do you think is the final format of AI hardware on body that would win out? Would it have to eventually be baked into a smartwatch or a smartphone? Or do you think there's space for a rabbit oven or a humane AI or a Meta Ray ban to eventually win out as well? Can I just, are you recording on your glasses right now? I think glasses is the answer, and I think you're the exact reason why that makes sense.
52:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, I think there are, there are so many cool ideas of things that seem like naturally they could work. Glasses are obviously one of them. The pin, I'm not against the idea, like a little simple garment that you hopefully can charge up. Like that stuff could be cool, but they are so up against the limit of how much data they can get from your phone. The smartphone is so good.
52:27 David Imel? Yeah.
52:27 Speaker 01 That they have all of the data and they are not letting anyone else touch that much data. So if you're gonna make something that lives on someone's body and collects information and is useful to you, it has to do that independent of the smartphone.
52:39 David Imel? Yeah.
52:39 Speaker 01 And that is so hard. So I think the glasses are the.
52:42 Andrew Manganelli? Well, it could be connected and just be.
52:44 Speaker 01 No, it could be connected, but the information that the smartphone has, it's not given up to you. So the glasses stand the best chance, I think. Half the people in front of me have glasses on. It's like very natural to have glasses. But it is, it is a serious challenge.
52:59 David Imel? Yeah, I think the absolute best way to drive adoption of a new technology is to integrate it into an existing piece of hardware that people already use. So AI, for example, on smartwatches, on earbuds, on your phone.
53:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
53:13 David Imel? They can all sort of interact with each other. Everyone wears, well, a lot of people wear watches. Most people use earbuds. And so just integrating that technology into these existing devices that everyone's using every day already, and then it's like, oh, there's an additional thing you can do with it. A lot easier than saying like, oh, throw your phone in the trash and stick a pin on your chest, man. Everyone loves that, you know?
53:32 Speaker 01 Tough sell.
53:33 David Imel? Yeah.
53:33 Andrew Manganelli? Tag us in that video.
53:35 Speaker 01 Last question.
53:37 David Imel? Wait, Adam, we gotta get this guy up here that has hand up.
53:40 Andrew Manganelli? He can be second. He can be last question. Do you want to get?
53:42 David Imel? Yeah. Adam can do his and then we'll do one more.
53:45 Speaker 06 Do we, we talk?
53:46 David Imel? We'll just do it real quick.
53:48 Speaker 06 All right.
53:49 Andrew Manganelli? I'm Cody from Austin, Texas. I'd love, you know, you spend most of your time reviewing other people's products, but I'm wondering if you had unlimited resources, what kind of technology or product would you want to create and why?
54:01 Speaker 06 Crumple phone.
54:04 Speaker 01 Crumple phone would be sick. I get asked all the time if I'm, if I would like to make a smartphone and the answer is always like, well, I mean, that's an insanely competitive market and I don't have that kind of time. But if I had unlimited resources, I think I would want to make my own ideal phone for myself, which is an exciting idea, but it's really hard.
54:22 David Imel? Yeah, we, we did that question earlier.
54:25 Andrew Manganelli? Kind of, yeah. And nobody would want to buy anything from me anyways, so.
54:28 David Imel? Yeah, I just said an ISP that doesn't suck, basically.
54:31 Speaker 06 Who, who was there?
54:32 Andrew Manganelli? There's one more right up front.
54:34 David Imel? Over here, over here.
54:35 Speaker 06 I see you.
54:35 Andrew Manganelli? I'm coming.
54:36 David Imel? Right here.
54:38 Andrew Manganelli? And then we're gonna do trivia.
54:39 Speaker 06 Let's get it. Thanks. From London, anyone? Well, shout out. Anyway, so thank you for the last question. Yeah, you spoke about, a lot about AI and stuff. I just wanted to know for YouTube.
54:50 Speaker 07 So do you feel like it's gonna help the creativity? Because I want to enter that field, um, just graduate. So it just, yeah, do you think it's gonna boost creativity? Or kind of just make the content really similar? So, yeah, just a quick question.
55:03 Speaker 01 Both. So I think the trend since I've started making videos online has been that the barrier for entry has gotten lower and lower and lower. So it's easier and easier for anyone with an internet connection to make something, which is awesome. That's exciting. It's made the masses of like tons of YouTube videos being able to come out. Super, super cool. What's also happened is the ceiling has gotten higher and higher. And that means that the production value, the amazing stuff you get to see people doing full time has gotten more and more amazing. I'm going to a panel right after this where we're talking about, should YouTube creators win traditional awards like Oscars? Like, that's how high the ceiling has gotten. And I think AI has been pushing it in both directions. So I think the floor getting lower is like,
55:49 Speaker 01 anyone with an internet connection can generate a cool script, can fact check it, can make, can come up with super cool ideas and can start making a YouTube video just like that. And I think using AI as a tool to brainstorm and think of new, unique ways to do things and come up with ideas that have never been done before, and then how to execute on them and using all these tools to try to make something that's never been made is raising the ceiling more and more. So I think it's both. I'm hopefully using AI to do the, that one. But I understand that like everyone wants to make YouTube videos and I think that that's gonna be something we see a lot more with AI too.
56:24 David Imel? Yeah, I think it's a combination of there's a lot of AI slop being thrown on YouTube right now, which is really like destroying a lot of the stuff on there. But at the same time, it also makes it so you stand out more if you're actually a good human that is making human content instead of the slop content. So if you're used to seeing slop and then you see something that's actually pretty good, it looks even better. So there's that too.
56:47 Speaker 07 Yeah, I think it's time.
56:49 Speaker 01 Okay, so the last part of what we're gonna do here with our final few minutes is we had you all fill out that survey at the beginning. And if you, if you have watched Waveform, you know, we like to have a little bit of trivia on the show. So what we're gonna do is have Ellis pull up the answers to your trivia questions. I have the answers. And I don't think we have the whiteboards.
57:06 Andrew Manganelli? The one thing we brought for this trip was our whiteboards and we did not bring them on stage.
57:11 Speaker 06 What?
57:11 Andrew Manganelli? Cool, we will just say our answers out loud.
57:13 Speaker 01 We'll say our answers at the same time? We'll each say our answers and then Ellis will be the judge of who wins the trivia point. Who knows this audience the best?
57:22 Speaker 06 Okay, we're gonna, we gotta speed through these, we're running out of time, so get ready, boys. Adam, hit it.
57:28 Speaker 06 Adam, hit it.
57:32 Speaker 06 That's right, everybody, welcome to trivia. All right, we asked everyone in this room, do you have a case on your phone? David, what percent Price is Right rules of people in this room have a case on their phone?
57:44 David Imel? Price is Right rules?
57:45 Speaker 06 Price is Right rules.
57:46 David Imel? Um, eighty-one.
57:49 Speaker 06 Fantastic. Andrew?
57:51 Andrew Manganelli? Ninety-five.
57:52 Speaker 06 Ninety-five. Marquez?
57:55 Speaker 01 Seventy-five.
57:57 Speaker 06 Marquez gets it, it was eighty, I'm sorry, David. No! Oh my god, I was... You said eighty-one? I cannot believe that.
58:03 Speaker 01 Wow, eighty-one?
58:04 Speaker 06 Question number two, what is the number one feature people in this room look for when buying a smartphone? Between performance, camera, battery, build quality, and the display?
58:14 Speaker 01 I'm gonna go... Camera.
58:17 Andrew Manganelli? Camera.
58:18 David Imel? Battery.
58:20 Speaker 06 You're all wrong, it was performance. Whoa. What? They're all good! You can buy any phone. All right, question number three, what was the worst piece of tech released in 2024? I'm gonna do as many of these as we got time for.
58:32 David Imel? The humane pin.
58:32 Andrew Manganelli? The humane pin.
58:33 Speaker 06 The humane pin? Marquez?
58:35 Speaker 01 Somebody... yeah, it's the humane.
58:37 Speaker 06 It's the humane pin, by far, but notable answers include Apple Intelligence and, uh, someone put Blue Sky, didn't like that.
58:43 Andrew Manganelli? Wow.
58:44 David Imel? Let's go.
58:45 Andrew Manganelli? Find David after this.
58:46 Speaker 06 Wait, wait, someone?
58:46 David Imel? Wow. Rude.
58:49 Speaker 06 Final question, guys.
58:50 Speaker 01 Yep.
58:51 Speaker 06 Who had the worst takes on Waveform in 2024? Oh no!
58:57 Andrew Manganelli? David didn't know this was a question?
59:00 David Imel? Uh, Andrew.
59:01 Speaker 06 Andrew?
59:02 Andrew Manganelli? I'll say Andrew.
59:03 Speaker 06 Andrew?
59:04 Speaker 01 I think they said it was me.
59:06 Speaker 06 Nope, the answer is?
59:08 Andrew Manganelli? No.
59:08 Speaker 06 Me! You're all haters and I love it!
59:14 Andrew Manganelli? We did that pretty good. Were there any other questions? That was way faster than I expected.
59:18 Speaker 06 Do you think more people in here do video or audio?
59:22 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, listen to the podcast video or audio?
59:23 Speaker 06 Yeah.
59:24 Andrew Manganelli? Can you just tell us the answer?
59:26 Speaker 01 No, I want to guess. I want to guess. I want to guess. I think that more people in here do video.
59:34 David Imel? Video.
59:35 Andrew Manganelli? I'll go... Oh, wasn't there a third option of I don't listen to Waveform and I'm not sure why I'm here right now?
59:40 Speaker 06 And a shocking number of you have never heard of Waveform. I don't know if that was like a joke.
59:43 Andrew Manganelli? I think there's a QR code to subscribe on the site, just saying.
59:46 Speaker 01 Oh, it's not there anymore.
59:47 David Imel? They're all here for today, explained, which is coming up next. That's why they're here.
59:50 Andrew Manganelli? I'll go audio.
59:52 Speaker 06 Uh, the answer was video.
59:53 David Imel? Let's go.
59:54 Speaker 06 Uh, I'll be real. I was not keeping track of who got points, so we're gonna need to review the tape.
59:58 Andrew Manganelli? We'll go back.
59:59 Speaker 06 But as of this season, David is still crushing.
1:00:02 David Imel? And I will crash and burn in the extravaganza for sure.
1:00:06 Speaker 06 Yes.
1:00:07 Andrew Manganelli? We have four minutes. Is there like one more? We have four minutes. Is there one more question? Because we cannot go over.
1:00:13 David Imel? Oh, there's a lot more.
1:00:15 Andrew Manganelli? I'm really sorry for everyone else.
1:00:17 Speaker 01 Let's cook through some speed questions.
1:00:18 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:00:19 David Imel? Alright.
1:00:20 Speaker 06 You had your hand up earlier and I missed you. How y'all doing? Alfredo from San Diego. I have a really fast question. So I'm a long-term SE user, rode the SE Wave.
1:00:31 David Imel? Ayo.
1:00:32 Speaker 06 Touch ID love, hate the notch. Where do I go next? Because...
1:00:36 David Imel? Hmm.
1:00:37 Speaker 01 I'm sorry to say that, uh, yeah, Touch ID is gone. It's gonna be gone and so you might as well go 16E, which is a crazy recommendation, but look, so if you have, it depends on your budget. I could ask you a thousand questions.
1:00:51 Speaker 06 Yeah, yeah.
1:00:51 Speaker 01 But I think in general, now that Touch ID has gone the wayside and like Face ID is a thing, you can healthily go with almost any of the newest three iPhones.
1:01:00 Speaker 06 The breaker was no... Point five selfie, so.
1:01:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's tough.
1:01:05 Speaker 06 So sixteen then.
1:01:06 Speaker 01 Fifteen.
1:01:07 Andrew Manganelli? Are you opposed to Android? Yeah, I kind of figured that.
1:01:10 Speaker 01 You don't your own.
1:01:12 David Imel? By another used SE, just go forever.
1:01:16 Andrew Manganelli? Cool.
1:01:17 Speaker 01 Another one real quick?
1:01:18 David Imel? Yeah, yeah.
1:01:19 Speaker 06 Also twelve minutes.
1:01:22 David Imel? Hey, JT in Austin. So, Mark, as going back to your first Tesla Model S, when you did videos, you had a Android of being at an intersection, car coming up to you from back and you felt your Tesla was moving a little bit nudging. And so there's other consumers at the time, it seemed like that was kind of the thing that Teslas were able to do. Going back then and what you know now, do you feel that that was a feature that it was doing or is just that?
1:01:49 Speaker 01 Well, that was a long time ago. I don't remember exactly if I know. So I'm a fan of like the car having sensors and being able to intervene when it detects something happening. And it has done that in multiple directions and multiple times over the course of my ownership of those cars. So I'm generally a fan of that. I don't recall the exact incident that you're referencing, but it it's good that that car has helped me a few times.
1:02:12 Speaker 06 One more.
1:02:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, really fast.
1:02:13 Speaker 06 All right, I'm so sorry, everybody.
1:02:15 David Imel? Seconds.
1:02:17 Speaker 07 All right, thank you. My name is Jack. I study mechanical engineering in Germany and I use ChatGPT for almost everything when working on my car or learning from math or physics or anything. And I just think I submit so much data and we're all talking about getting AI on the phone. And I just think when it's in the app and maybe on my internet browser, in my photos and in my WhatsApp and everything. What is your take on this whole data privacy thing? You know what I mean? Like, isn't that like at least a bit concerning? We're always talking about getting more AI, more on the phone, on the on the glasses, on on the on the PIN. Yeah, I just think about, yeah, maybe data privacy might be a thing, yeah? I just, yeah, that's my.
1:02:57 Andrew Manganelli? We have ten seconds to answer, so like.
1:02:59 Speaker 01 My high level take, my high level take is that there is constantly a question that these companies and all of us are asking about the direct trade off between how much data you have to give up and the convenience that you get back from. And the more they push that envelope of, well, you have to give up more data, but you get more convenience. Okay, you have to give up more data, but you get more features and convenience. People tend to take the convenience with it. So yes, data privacy is a concern. And for a lot of people in this room, they don't want that trade off anymore. But I've seen it get pushed really, really far. And we get really cool features out of it. So I think those companies are going to keep pushing it and keep trying to offer more things in exchange for our data.
1:03:40 Andrew Manganelli? Cool. We are over time now. And before we get physically kicked off of the stage, thank you all for coming. Seriously, this was super fun. This was fantastic.
1:03:50 Speaker 01 All right, that was it. That was a lot of fun. Thanks again for, for the people who were there for submitting all of the answers to the survey and for everyone who gave us ideas on what to do. We thought it turned out pretty good. But there is one thing that we didn't get to do on stage, which is Andrew, you didn't get to read us out.
1:04:05 Andrew Manganelli? I didn't read out live, a little sad, but huge thanks to the Vox Media team who set all of that up and led us to our first live show. Totally no issues at all. It was awesome, smooth sailing. And Slido actually helped us with the survey thing. That went really smoothly, too. Definitely recommend that for a live show like that. And other than that, Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin. We're partners with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro music was created by Vain.
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