Pod Insights Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast Phones Are Finally Fun Again! About this episode This week, Marques, Andrew, and David first dig into all of the weird products that are coming out of Mobile World Congress 2025! Topics range from solar smartphones to briefcase displays and extra long laptops. There are a ton of weird gadgets and it's great. Then, they go over all of the new Apple products that were released before talking a little about YouTube Premium Lite and Google Fi. There's a lot to get into in this one! Enjoy!
Links:
Android Authority - Xiaomi's modular phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrcGz3ur-bE
Verge - Sony QX10 and QX100 review: https://youtu.be/-F5D-7WRA8o?si=PaJmopfPVsbR7CC7
Verge Nubia Music 2 Article: https://www.theverge.com/news/616633/mwc-2025-news-products-announcements
DesignBoom - Samsung Briefcase display: https://www.designboom.com/technology/samsung-flexible-screens-stretch-foldable-briefcase-gaming-devices-mwc-2025-03-05-2025/
9to5Google - Techno Spark Slim: https://9to5google.com/2025/03/05/tecno-spark-slim-hands-on/
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2:00 Speaker 01 What is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marquez.
2:06 Andrew Manganelli? I'm Andrew.
2:06 David Imel? And I'm David.
2:07 Speaker 01 And in today's episode, we just have a lot of stuff. MWC was this past week, basically. I think it might be finishing up by the time you listen to this, but it was a pretty good one in that there was just a ton of stuff showing off, especially in the smartphone world, but in others too. Great. And also, Apple decided to sneaky drop two press releases this week, some press release product announcements, and we had products that we reviewed on the channel. It's a good time, there's a lot.
2:33 Andrew Manganelli? Ellis this morning came up and was like, "It feels good to have like, a product podcast episode today." And I was like, "Oh yeah, we do. It's like, only products today."
2:43 David Imel? Yeah. Oh, just wait. Just wait. There's something that's not a product that I'm very excited about.
2:49 Andrew Manganelli? That will come towards the end.
2:51 David Imel? You gotta wait for the end.
2:52 Andrew Manganelli? There's the hook, baby.
2:53 Speaker 01 But first of all, okay, if you're listening to this on Friday, we're on our way to South by Southwest, and that's where we will be doing, like we've mentioned, our first ever live podcast on the Vox stage at 10 a.m. on Saturday. 10 a.m. Central time, obviously if you're there, feel free to hop on over. For those who aren't, we will be publishing it as a bonus episode, so you'll be able to hear it. We'll have some like, live, fun, studio, audience interaction, hopefully. It should be a good time.
3:19 Andrew Manganelli? If you're there, please come. We need an audience.
3:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, it'd be pretty embarrassing if we showed up and nobody else showed up. That would also be sad.
3:27 David Imel? We do podcasting for ourselves.
3:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, so if any of you guys are actually there, see you there. But yeah, I think we should just jump right in, because there's a lot to cover. And I feel like if we don't jump right in, we'll never get to the end.
3:38 Andrew Manganelli? Agreed.
3:39 David Imel? Yeah.
3:39 Speaker 01 So, okay, first thing, Xiaomi modular camera phone lens thing. This is MWC material.
3:47 David Imel? Yes. Okay, for those that don't know, Mobile World Congress, big technology trade show, a few months after CES, generally specifically focused around phones, and then more recently smart home stuff. So there's always a lot of smart home stuff, but this year in particular, this kind of feels like old CES levels of smartphone weirdness.
4:06 Andrew Manganelli? I love it so much from what I've seen.
4:08 David Imel? Yes, lots of concepts, lots of strange devices, lots of solar powered technology, weirdly enough.
4:13 Speaker 01 For each one of these things, we should figure out and just establish if it's a real product or not.
4:18 Andrew Manganelli? I think you can blanket say no to that.
4:21 David Imel? It's like no on most of them. There are some.
4:23 Andrew Manganelli? I was gonna say, we should very quickly run through them. And there's essentially a gimmick to everyone. Yeah. Let's try and see who we think would use this gimmick. Or if we think anyone would use the gimmick. And very quick, I think David's gonna have more than a few quick thoughts on the first one. That's why I put it first.
4:40 David Imel? Yeah.
4:40 Andrew Manganelli? But everything under that's a bit quicker.
4:42 David Imel? Okay.
4:42 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah. So Xiaomi says, we can attach an entire smartphone camera, or bigger than a smartphone camera, and bigger than smartphone optics to the back of your smartphone with some pins.
4:54 David Imel? Yeah.
4:54 Speaker 01 And so you can take these great pictures. And then when you're done, you just take it off the back of your phone, put it back in your pocket, and you have a regular Xiaomi phone. It's not the first time we've seen this concept before.
5:04 David Imel? No.
5:04 Speaker 01 I have vivid memories of two of them. One of them was a Sony version of this, like the QX100 back in the day, which is literally the same thing. Like, everyone knows the RX100.
5:12 David Imel? Yeah.
5:12 Speaker 01 It was a little sensor with a lens that you slapped on the back of your Sony phone, and the Sony phone became the viewfinder. And you have a nice camera.
5:19 David Imel? Very cool.
5:20 Speaker 01 And then, what was that? There was like a Hasselblad Moto mod.
5:23 David Imel? There's a Hasselblad Moto mod. There was the Samsung phone that just was a camera.
5:27 Speaker 01 Oh, this Galaxy camera?
5:28 David Imel? Yeah.
5:29 Speaker 01 Yeah. So we've seen versions of this before. Um, this is Xiaomi's version, 100 megapixels, big lens, f1.4 wide open to f11.
5:39 David Imel? Yeah.
5:40 Speaker 01 Uh, roughly 35 millimeter prime focal length, not a zoom. And then these pins are super powerful. So they built a phone so you can transfer 10 gigabits per second. So you get like real time viewfinder, all the information from your lens.
5:52 David Imel? Yeah.
5:53 Andrew Manganelli? It's a cool idea.
5:54 Speaker 01 Yes. Um, they said it's a 4/3 type sensor, which I don't really know if that means micro 4/3s, or if that is sort of the 1.0 type kinda situation.
6:04 David Imel? Sounds like it's a little...
6:05 Speaker 01 Probably smaller.
6:06 David Imel? If I'm doing straight math, it's bigger than the 1.0 type sensor.
6:09 Speaker 01 Yes, definitely.
6:10 Andrew Manganelli? It means 4/3 ish.
6:11 Speaker 01 Nice.
6:12 David Imel? Ish.
6:13 Andrew Manganelli? Which is 4/3 vibes.
6:14 Speaker 01 Which is what 1.0 type is as well.
6:16 David Imel? It's also vibes.
6:16 Speaker 01 Not an inch.
6:17 David Imel? Yeah.
6:17 Speaker 01 Uh, yeah, the cool thing about this is it's like a physical lens that has the sensor in the lens. And then it transfers via these PogoPins at 10 gigabits per second, which is very cool.
6:28 David Imel? And I find that super interesting. I wish it was not 100 megapixels. The reason they're probably doing that is because it's not a zoom lens and that way you can crop into the center of the sensor, but then you have pixel pitch issues, which means you're not getting as much light per pixel. So that's a whole thing. However, again, micro four thirds type is definitely bigger than one inch. And if you can just like slap it on the back of your phone, the question becomes, and again, this is a concept. So it's not actually coming out right now.
6:58 Speaker 01 Okay.
6:58 David Imel? The question then becomes just like with the Moto Mods, where they actually did keep releasing Moto Mods and being able to use Moto Mods on newer Motorola phones for a few generations, but they did eventually give up on it. So the question then becomes, do you want to buy a lens for a system of smartphones that you're not sure how long they're going to actually support it for? That's the question. Cause when you buy a regular lens for like a Leica camera or like a Canon camera, you assume you're going to be able to use it basically forever, especially with adapters. This is so proprietary.
7:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:29 David Imel? That you're not sure.
7:30 Speaker 01 Very one-off accessory type vibes.
7:32 Andrew Manganelli? I think what's cool about it versus like the QX100 was that had like a little clamp on it where this is, so the pogo pins are just for the file transfer. It connects magnetically, actually, almost like MagSafe. It's literally a circle puck on like the back and like the lens aspect of it, I know you said the sensor's in it. This is basically a standalone camera that you control with your phone and then transfers so quickly. But yeah, if you were to buy this and then lose or like the next Xiaomi phone you like doesn't have those pins on it, then you don't, you just have this like standalone camera you can't really control unless you still have the phone.
8:05 David Imel? Well, Xiaomi has a sub-brand called Realme and they also did a camera concept phone, which was similar but different in that it basically had the sensor on the back of the phone, if I understand this correctly.
8:18 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, like inside the camera bump.
8:19 David Imel? Right. And then you, they had a mount where you could actually mount existing lenses from other camera brands to the back of it. And then just condense the light onto that, which is like similar to what the Red Hydrogen was supposed to do.
8:33 Speaker 01 Oh man, that phone. Yeah.
8:35 David Imel? Yeah. I got very excited for that because it was supposed to take like. Fuji lenses and stuff and then they just never made the adapter.
8:41 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
8:41 Speaker 01 There is all those pins on the back of the hydrogen and then never. They didn't use anything.
8:45 Andrew Manganelli? For anything.
8:45 Speaker 01 Damn. Yep.
8:46 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I added this one because it felt more like an in between of of like cool external thing that's not caring. Because everyone that I read that used the real lens on the Realme one was like, the balance of this is just so bad. It's like you're just just holding a cine lens with a phone like on the back of it.
9:03 David Imel? Yeah, I mean, there's no way that you could use like a zoom lens or a telephoto lens because it would just the balance would be insane. You'd be holding the lens with your hand and then just like tapping on the phone as the screen. Which is what some cameras are like nowadays anyway, too. But yeah, overall, I think the idea is like super cool. And I love the idea that you're like hiking and all if you have to do is carry some lenses with you and you can just slap on whatever lens you want onto the back of your phone. I think that's very cool.
9:28 Speaker 01 Devil's advocate, if you're gonna pack a bunch of lenses.
9:32 David Imel? Why not just pack a body?
9:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, just pack a camera.
9:35 David Imel? Yeah, I mean, there are some benefits, like phones have much more computational photography chops than cameras do these days, which could be for the best, could be for the worst, obviously. But also you immediately have the images on your phone. It goes through the same pipeline. You can share them to social immediately.
9:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:54 David Imel? Was it Sigma who made the camera that had like Lightroom built into it and you could share to Instagram instantly?
10:00 Speaker 01 I remember what you're talking about. I don't know who made it.
10:02 David Imel? I can't remember who that was.
10:03 Speaker 01 But then there's like some half baked like like Sony has an app you can put on your Sony Alpha phone.
10:10 Andrew Manganelli? The old Alpha.
10:11 Speaker 01 And on your camera and it'll like Wi Fi connect them and you can download the picture from the camera like some of that stuff works okay.
10:16 David Imel? But it's bad.
10:17 Speaker 01 It's not good.
10:17 David Imel? It's bad. Yeah, all camera apps are bad.
10:20 Speaker 01 This is true.
10:20 David Imel? Yeah.
10:21 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, so. Yeah, that came out. I think price of lens would be the biggest factor.
10:25 David Imel? Definitely.
10:25 Andrew Manganelli? What what would like entail you wanting to actually get?
10:29 David Imel? Again, especially since you can't use it with anything else. If you upgrade your phone, if you you can't change brands, like there's so many. There's so many factors here.
10:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:38 Andrew Manganelli? Cool. That's the one we're gonna talk about the longest.
10:40 David Imel? I was gonna say.
10:40 Andrew Manganelli? No, do not worry. No, I I put that up front because when I I the first thing in this document was me and Slack saying. David, I know you have thoughts on this. Get ready to talk about it on the pod. The rest of these will be really fast. In fact, have you guys heard of the company Nubia?
10:56 David Imel? Oh, have I?
10:57 Andrew Manganelli? Really? I've never heard of them.
10:58 David Imel? Definitely.
10:58 Andrew Manganelli? Because I'm an idiot.
10:59 Speaker 03 They make a lot of weird phones.
11:00 David Imel? No, it's not weird that you haven't heard of them. They make a lot of weirdo.
11:03 Andrew Manganelli? Well, here's two weird phones that I saw at Mobile Congress. The first one.
11:06 David Imel? Sorry, real phone or concept phone?
11:09 Andrew Manganelli? These might actually, one of these I think is a concept. One of these I think is real.
11:13 David Imel? The Music 2 is real.
11:14 Andrew Manganelli? The Music 2 has a, it's a predecessor.
11:16 David Imel? Okay.
11:18 Andrew Manganelli? So, okay, so the Nubia Focus 2 Ultra on the back has a spinning dial around the circular camera bump that lets you adjust the camera's zoom. Is it real?
11:27 David Imel? Yes.
11:28 Andrew Manganelli? They say it's really easy to move in landscape mode, or sorry, in portrait mode. And I think it's actually kind of neat because I hate circle camera bumps. So if you can add a nice, if it feels nice, a spinning wheel, if I'm thinking of like Galaxy Watch Classic with that really nice spinning bezel.
11:46 David Imel? Yeah.
11:46 Andrew Manganelli? I think that would be pretty awesome.
11:48 David Imel? Yeah.
11:49 Andrew Manganelli? And if it's mappable to other things.
11:50 David Imel? That'd be cool.
11:51 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
11:51 David Imel? Like volume.
11:52 Speaker 03 Dude, a DJ app?
11:56 David Imel? That'd be dope.
11:57 Speaker 01 I kind of like that. Yeah.
11:58 Andrew Manganelli? So the other one is called the Music 2, which I'm almost positive is real. But I just had to see it. One, because it looks wild and two, because Dominic Preston at The Verge titled this little subject, "The Most Annoying Phone Ever Made Adds AI."
12:12 David Imel? Hell, yeah.
12:13 Andrew Manganelli? Which is, you can't not click that article.
12:15 David Imel? So what's the concept here?
12:17 Andrew Manganelli? So the Nubia Music has a, two cameras and then what feels like a camera bump, but is actually a speaker on the back of it to play music out loud. They claim it plays music at 600% louder than the average phone.
12:30 David Imel? Oh, my God.
12:30 Andrew Manganelli? And then Nubia Music 2 now adds LEDs and an AI music generator.
12:38 David Imel? So you can just get on the subway and just generate terrible music to annoy people with.
12:42 Speaker 03 And then yell, "You're the first people who have ever heard this."
12:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, this, I, I don't like this one.
12:49 Andrew Manganelli? No, okay. It looks cool. It has this like cool comic, like cel shaded box grid on the back as the pattern, and I think it looks pretty sweet.
12:58 David Imel? I think that I do like it for the reasons where you don't want to carry a Bluetooth speaker with you to the beach and you can just use your phone. I think that's cool.
13:09 Andrew Manganelli? I could see, I mean, there are times where I don't want a Bluetooth speaker. The opposite of that is if you're at a national park and you're playing like music out loud on this.
13:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:19 Andrew Manganelli? I will throw you off the bridge.
13:21 Speaker 01 Like, yeah, I guess the question is, how often are you wanting a Bluetooth speaker? Versus like, I would like to buy a phone that is specifically good at blasting music, so I don't need a Bluetooth speaker.
13:33 Andrew Manganelli? Do you know what I'm realizing?
13:34 Speaker 01 What?
13:34 Andrew Manganelli? The Moto G had G Play, right? With the back mods, had a JBL speaker also. Are these just all taking all the old Moto mods and turning them into singular phones instead?
13:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, so Moto mods were ahead of their time.
13:46 David Imel? Oh, they were way ahead of their time.
13:47 Andrew Manganelli? They were.
13:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, interesting.
13:49 David Imel? They lasted a while, but they did eventually die.
13:52 Speaker 01 I would say that this phone looks horrible. I would just throw that in there.
13:56 David Imel? It definitely looks like an old comic strip, for sure. So it's, it's gonna be controversial.
14:01 Andrew Manganelli? I dig it.
14:02 David Imel? Okay.
14:02 Andrew Manganelli? Next.
14:03 David Imel? Next.
14:04 Andrew Manganelli? A lot of these are just like literally what I say out loud and the picture is all of the information we have. This included, this is the Samsung flexible briefcase. I know, right? So I feel like Samsung saw the LG Standby Me.
14:16 David Imel? Go.
14:17 Andrew Manganelli? Cause it looks very similar from the outside.
14:19 David Imel? Yeah.
14:19 Andrew Manganelli? And when you open the briefcase, it's just a giant folding screen.
14:24 David Imel? Yes.
14:26 Andrew Manganelli? They would not let anyone touch it.
14:27 Speaker 01 Of course not.
14:28 David Imel? That's funny.
14:28 Speaker 01 Cause it's not real.
14:30 David Imel? Cause it will break when you touch it.
14:32 Andrew Manganelli? Probably. There's, there's no stands as far as anyone can tell, so I don't even know how you open it up. But in my eyes, just like the Standby Me Go, this just to me feels like the new crypto way of opening up a briefcase full of money.
14:45 Speaker 01 Crypto?
14:46 Andrew Manganelli? You know what's funny? Because it's on a screen instead.
14:48 Speaker 01 Yeah. Or like, here's your NFT. No, this would be good, this would be good as a prop for YouTube. Cause you know that like moment in a video where like someone opens a briefcase and whatever's inside glows onto their face?
14:59 David Imel? Yeah.
14:59 Speaker 01 You just load it up with a yellow PNG.
15:02 David Imel? Oh.
15:03 Speaker 01 And you got that moment right there. This is a video prop.
15:05 Andrew Manganelli? For eight times the price that it would cost for like a little aperture light.
15:09 Speaker 01 Battery dies and yeah, this is.
15:11 David Imel? This is hilarious and useless, but good job Samsung.
15:14 Andrew Manganelli? But inside that same booth, Samsung showed a prototype of a folding gaming handheld.
15:20 David Imel? Let's go.
15:20 Andrew Manganelli? Imagine a switch that folds in half and the way they deal with the joysticks is the extra D-pad and like A/B buttons. Look indented in so the joystick can fit inside it when it folds.
15:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, it looks horrible.
15:32 Andrew Manganelli? So it can be flat, the buttons look terrible.
15:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:35 Andrew Manganelli? But if they were good.
15:36 Speaker 01 I.
15:38 David Imel? I don't know, man.
15:39 Speaker 05 Really?
15:40 Speaker 01 The only reason this would be cool is if you can fit it in your pocket.
15:43 David Imel? Yeah, which I don't think-
15:44 Speaker 01 Cause you can't fit a switch in your pocket, or a Steam Deck or anything in your pocket. But if you could fold it in half, and then actually fit it in your pocket, that would be cool, but I don't think you can.
15:52 Speaker 05 I still think this would save space inside your backpack, unlike a plane. If the switch could fold in half.
15:56 David Imel? But is that worth the crease in the center of your screen?
16:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, you're already bringing a backpack at that point.
16:02 David Imel? Yeah.
16:03 Speaker 01 Just-
16:03 Speaker 05 I think so.
16:04 Speaker 01 Just bring a switch.
16:05 Speaker 05 I don't, I, yeah.
16:06 David Imel? I have what I call my emotional security backpack. And by that, I mean, I never leave anywhere without my backpack. It always has a battery bank in it, it always has my laptop, it always has a Bluetooth speaker, and it always has a small towel.
16:20 Speaker 01 So you don't need Moda Mods?
16:22 David Imel? No.
16:22 Speaker 01 And you don't need, is it, is there extra space in there?
16:25 David Imel? There's extra space. Um, the downside is that my spine is compressed.
16:32 Speaker 05 So maybe you need Moda Mods, so you don't need the backpack.
16:35 David Imel? That's true, that's true. So, I could fit my switch in my backpack, is what I'm saying. And I'm not sure that I would need a folded switch, but, yeah.
16:43 Speaker 05 I'd be there for it.
16:44 David Imel? Okay.
16:45 Speaker 05 But it sounds like I'm the only one.
16:46 David Imel? I would like to see it in person.
16:47 Speaker 01 I just think logically speaking, if you're adding a folding screen, you're adding cost and complexity. You're also splitting the battery in half, and you're doing a whole bunch of other complicated things.
16:57 David Imel? Could be better, cause then you could charge it twice as fast.
16:59 Speaker 01 So this thing will cost more than a regular version of a handheld gaming console. So you really have to want to fold it in half for some reason, to pay for this.
17:09 Speaker 05 Adam looks like he wants it. The main reason I don't carry around my switch is because it's just a little too big. Like, it's just-
17:17 Speaker 01 So you have a perfect light.
17:19 Speaker 05 I've been debating it for that reason. Like, I think the switch is the perfect size when you're using it. But when I'm carrying it around, it's just a little weird in my bag, cause it's like, it's too small to be in a big bag, but it's too big to fit in any of the little pockets.
17:33 Speaker 01 You're the perfect Switch Lite customer, my friend.
17:35 Speaker 05 I know, yeah.
17:36 Speaker 01 You are. You're also potentially the perfect fanny pack customer.
17:39 David Imel? Oh, shoot.
17:40 Speaker 01 Consider that.
17:41 Speaker 05 Wait, a fanny pack just for a switch is like the most baller move ever?
17:45 Speaker 01 Just throwing that out there. Just saying.
17:48 Speaker 05 What you got in there?
17:50 David Imel? A switch and a zen.
17:56 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, next, we're gonna talk about Lenovo, because we talked about them a couple of times. And I think Lenovo is the new LG at this point, with some of the stuff they're throwing out there.
18:06 David Imel? They're going that crazy.
18:08 Andrew Manganelli? They are. This is the Lenovo ThinkBook Flip, which reminds me of, I think, a previous Lenovo.
18:15 David Imel? The rollable.
18:15 Andrew Manganelli? The rollable one. So it's essentially a laptop that can turn into a portrait screen, essentially twice the height of a regular screen. But in this case, it happens by, you fold open the laptop, and then if you imagine your normal screen, there's also a screen on the back, because that folds upwards to make an extra tall monitor.
18:35 David Imel? And this definitely won't scratch a ton.
18:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, what? So you close it by folding it back over itself?
18:42 David Imel? But then you have a tablet.
18:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, but then you have to put that in your bag. I guess, okay.
18:46 David Imel? And when you're using the tablet, you won't have to feel the keys on the back.
18:49 Andrew Manganelli? Honestly?
18:50 Speaker 01 This looks hilarious wide open, with the screen up.
18:53 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
18:54 Speaker 01 Just being in a coffee shop and having the tallest laptop of all time.
18:57 David Imel? The barista's like, "What would you like?" And I'm like, "Sorry, I can't see you."
19:00 Speaker 01 On a plane, this would get crushed.
19:03 David Imel? Someone would lean their seat back, and your screen would just break in half.
19:05 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. I do, I like the rollable one better, because I want to be at the coffee shop, and someone's staring at me, and it just like, it rolls up, becomes like the divider.
19:13 David Imel? And the rollable one is actually for sale now.
19:15 Andrew Manganelli? Is it really?
19:15 David Imel? You can actually buy it. Yeah.
19:17 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, man. Lenovo, if you hear this, I, please, on the podcast, I just want to be talking as my screen rolls up and blocks me.
19:25 Speaker 05 Picture walking into a coffee shop, and you see some dude sitting there with the portrait laptop, and he's also wearing like a really tall 10-gallon hat, and everything he's doing is just like, god dang it.
19:37 David Imel? Yep.
19:37 Speaker 01 Wow.
19:38 Andrew Manganelli? I love it.
19:39 David Imel? 18-inch tall display. 35, yeah, the rollable is $3,500, but you can buy it.
19:44 Speaker 01 Is the balance not terrible when you open? Does it not want to flop over?
19:47 David Imel? Yeah, brother.
19:49 Andrew Manganelli? You gotta make sacrifices sometimes.
19:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, so, okay.
19:52 Speaker 05 Well, that's what's wrong with all existing laptops, right, is they're not portrait.
19:58 Speaker 01 True.
19:59 David Imel? Right? Am I right, guys?
20:01 Speaker 01 Okay, here's what I would do. I would flip it open and then set it sideways because the keyboard becomes a kickstand. And then you have a full 16 by 9, like, larger screen that you can watch content on. But then you have to type like this. You gotta make sacrifice.
20:16 Andrew Manganelli? Bluetooth keyboard.
20:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, you have another keyboard.
20:20 David Imel? That's already how David puts his laptop on the floor. When I'm working, or when I'm doing something else, I just put my laptop like this.
20:26 Speaker 01 Wow. It's an, it's an idea. Look, Lenovo, I'm not gonna say don't keep trying things, but this one, you can move on from.
20:36 Andrew Manganelli? Do you want me to try and sell you on the other one?
20:38 Speaker 01 Sure. Uh oh.
20:39 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. They also made a solar power laptop.
20:42 Speaker 01 Let's go.
20:42 Andrew Manganelli? Where the whole back is solar panels to help charge.
20:46 Speaker 01 There are so many reasons. I, I feel, every time I talk about solar panels, I feel like the biggest hater. I want solar panels to work, but think about where you use a laptop. In the sun.
20:57 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
20:58 Speaker 01 If you ever use a laptop in a place where there's so much sun that it can power your laptop.
21:02 David Imel? It's gonna overheat.
21:03 Speaker 01 Number one, you can't see your screen. Number two, your solar panels are not facing the sky. They're, they're facing down.
21:10 David Imel? That's actually a good point. You have to have it closed and sitting in the sun.
21:13 Andrew Manganelli? You're telling me.
21:13 Speaker 01 You could bring a bounce.
21:16 Speaker 01 You're right. You could. Bring a bounce with you.
21:18 Andrew Manganelli? You're telling me you don't like doing all your work on that really little bar they cram into the front glass of like every coffee shop? And then you also wanna have your laptop like this?
21:26 Speaker 01 Facing the sun to keep it alive? Okay, here's the move. Here's the move. Okay. There is this parkhouse in my neighborhood that I go to that's outside, and I sometimes work on my laptop outside.
21:35 David Imel? Wait, there's a what?
21:36 Speaker 01 Parkhouse. It's like, it used to be a gov- it doesn't matter. It's just an outside building.
21:45 David Imel? Are you outside or are you in a building?
21:46 Speaker 01 Outside, but the building is next to.
21:48 David Imel? Aren't all buildings outside?
21:49 Speaker 01 I don't know, man.
21:50 David Imel? I was gonna say.
21:51 Speaker 01 Okay, regardless, there are benches outside the building.
21:54 David Imel? Yes.
21:54 Speaker 01 Which are part of the building.
21:56 David Imel? Yes.
21:56 Speaker 01 Some, sort of, and you can, I work there sometimes. Okay, that's all that matters. The move, okay, they also sell coffee inside the building, though, okay, so the move.
22:05 Speaker 05 So the building's a coffee shop?
22:08 Speaker 01 And other stuff. They also sell other stuff. Okay, so you work on the bench outside.
22:12 David Imel? Bench outside.
22:13 Speaker 01 Until your laptop gets really low battery.
22:15 David Imel? Uh huh.
22:15 Speaker 01 And then you call your friend and you say, wanna come have some coffee with me? You close the lid of your laptop, you have a coffee for an hour, and then you get one more hour of video playback when you reopen your laptop.
22:26 Speaker 05 Realistically, you probably get about 4% battery.
22:29 Speaker 01 Yes, that's always the thing people see, they see solar panels and they think they're gonna get a ton of energy from them. Lenovo is quoting that 20 minutes of sun gives it one hour of video playback. 20 minutes of sun.
22:43 David Imel? Yeah.
22:44 Speaker 01 Can give it one hour. I love, okay, that's great.
22:46 David Imel? Yeah.
22:47 Speaker 01 That's way better.
22:47 David Imel? Video playback is the easiest possible thing for computers to do.
22:51 Speaker 01 They are using video playback for a reason, but 20 minutes, that means, okay, I'm about to die, close it for 20 minutes, max sun exposure, laptop's heating up, hold it up to the sun, here we go, 20 minutes like this.
23:02 David Imel? Yeah.
23:02 Speaker 01 And now you can open it up and use your laptop theoretically for another hour.
23:06 David Imel? Yeah.
23:06 Speaker 01 That's really cool. There's definitely gonna be some extra weight on the back for all the solar panel stuff and all the electronics and the glass.
23:15 Speaker 01 I would devil's advocate, say that if you put a bigger battery in the laptop, that would be a better use of extra weight and space.
23:22 David Imel? Yeah, but if it's already 100 watt hours and you can only bring 100 watt hours on the plane.
23:28 Speaker 05 Checkmate.
23:29 David Imel? Checkmate.
23:30 Speaker 05 Got him.
23:30 David Imel? You're on a plane, you have an outlet next to you.
23:32 Speaker 05 Okay, wait, I have a use case for this.
23:34 David Imel? Okay.
23:34 Speaker 05 What if it just keeps the laptop at its current battery level?
23:38 David Imel? But how would you do that when the lid is gonna be like?
23:40 Speaker 05 Not me, like you close it, like you know how like, if you keep it in standby mode, it'll slowly just like drain over time, what if it doesn't?
23:46 David Imel? Theoretically, it's supposed to drain extremely slowly.
23:49 Speaker 05 Have you used a Windows laptop recently?
23:51 David Imel? Yeah, that's true.
23:52 Speaker 05 Also, not, not all airplanes charge your laptop anymore, even with outlets. A lot of them now are rated, I forget what they're rated to, but like, it's a specific wattage, so like, if you plug my big Chungus 87 watt MacBook charger into them, it'll just be like, I'm not charging this, bro.
24:07 David Imel? I did go on a plane that charged a 240 watt.
24:10 Speaker 01 Damn.
24:11 David Imel? Yeah, that was crazy. But some, usually they short, yeah.
24:14 Speaker 05 They don't short, it's just like, they say like that's-
24:17 Speaker 01 So there's a situation where you have a long flight and a hundred watt hour laptop that you charge to a hundred percent and you're going to use this laptop for so long during this flight-
24:25 David Imel? Yes.
24:26 Speaker 01 That-
24:27 David Imel? Yes.
24:27 Speaker 01 Your battery's gonna die, so you hold it up to the plane-
24:29 Andrew Manganelli? And you have a window seat, yeah.
24:32 David Imel? Imagine you're flying to Singapore, right? It's the longest flight from New York City.
24:36 Speaker 01 Uh huh.
24:36 David Imel? And you're like chasing the sun. So it never gets dark.
24:40 Speaker 01 You have to fly during the daytime.
24:41 David Imel? You got unlimited battery power for your video playback.
24:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:45 David Imel? Every twenty, every hour, you close it for twenty minutes, you hold it, you put it back down.
24:51 Speaker 01 Sir? What do you-
24:53 David Imel? I think this is a billion dollar idea.
24:55 Speaker 01 I want solar panels to be more efficient so these ideas don't sound so ridiculous.
24:59 David Imel? I think they're getting better.
24:59 Andrew Manganelli? Well, don't worry, if you're not into solar panels-
25:02 David Imel? There's another solar panel.
25:05 Speaker 05 They made a gas powered phone?
25:08 David Imel? I mean, it's like the Rivian, right? It's an electric car with a- Oh no, sorry, the Scout Motors.
25:12 Andrew Manganelli? The Scout Motors.
25:13 David Imel? It's an electric car with a gas powered generator.
25:15 Andrew Manganelli? Well, Infinix also came out with a solar charging phone.
25:19 David Imel? Let's go.
25:19 Andrew Manganelli? Where the back of it is a solar panel.
25:21 Speaker 01 Two watts?
25:22 David Imel? Same exact thing, okay, yeah. And what is the max power?
25:24 Andrew Manganelli? It says- Two watts. Basically, all they said is up to two watts, and they also had to create something called maximum power point tracking because the problem with heating your phone up is the sun is it causes overheating and they also have to manage maximum power generating efficiency while also managing-
25:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:42 Andrew Manganelli? Overheating-
25:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:43 Andrew Manganelli? On your phone.
25:43 Speaker 01 There's a reason why these things don't ship. Uh, it's a cool idea in theory, it's a great way of imagining efficiency and free energy. It just doesn't work very often. But we, we had the, remember the Prius from back in the day? We had a couple of years ago reviewed the new Prius, and it had a solar roof option.
26:00 David Imel? Yeah.
26:01 Speaker 01 That's the best I've ever seen it work because it had a battery and we could leave it sitting outside in New Jersey for several days and gain a few miles of really usable range. Which is like, okay, if you live in California or somewhere where you can park every day outside at work, like you can actually gain free driving energy.
26:19 David Imel? Yeah.
26:20 Speaker 01 It's the best I've ever seen it work.
26:21 David Imel? Yeah.
26:22 Speaker 01 Fisker, it didn't work very well.
26:24 David Imel? Right.
26:24 Speaker 01 We've had other solar things that are concepts that don't work very well. So it's just teetering. I did a video on the solar on my house. That works amazingly well. That is an enormous amount of surface area. So it works. So yeah, a tiny phone is probably the worst case scenario.
26:41 Andrew Manganelli? That would be a good video, though. I use my phone for a week only using the sun.
26:46 David Imel? Two watts?
26:48 Andrew Manganelli? I didn't use it very much.
26:50 David Imel? Yeah, that's, that's the tough thing. I feel like when your phone gets hot, it dies faster. And you have to get the phone hot to get the power back. And I just feel like this is probably negatively efficient.
27:00 Speaker 01 If you leave your phone face down outside for an entire day, then the next day, you can use your phone for a little bit.
27:05 David Imel? For two minutes.
27:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, very nice.
27:08 Andrew Manganelli? Cool. I have two, or I have one more and David has one more. The last one is the Spark Slim. It's a concept phone that's 5.75 millimeters thick, while also having a 52 million power battery. So this is kind of like our.
27:23 David Imel? Holy moly.
27:24 Andrew Manganelli? This is our like sneak peek into these new thin phones that we might be seeing.
27:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, 2025 could be the year of the skinny phone. Maybe. I mean, this isn't something. I'm just forecasting because now we have three. We have this, we have Samsung Galaxy Edge, we have rumored iPhone Air. So it's three. But Techno Spark is the first one to show something in person. No, Samsung showed us first. Anyway, this sparked a question that I posted on Twitter. And I want to ask you guys your thoughts on this.
27:53 Andrew Manganelli? No more, because we're not bringing back skinny jeans.
27:56 Speaker 01 No, this is, this is a real question. When we consider the thickness of a smartphone, when it's like ultra, ultra razor thin, but then there's a camera bump. Does the camera bump count towards the thickness of the phone?
28:09 David Imel? Only if it's the same thickness as the phone itself.
28:12 Speaker 01 So this little Techno Spark, which is five millimeters, it's crazy, crazy thin. It has a camera bump, which makes it like eight millimeters at the camera bump, but nobody talks about that. It's crazy because the rest of the phone is super thin and has 5,200 million bars. Is that, is that, is that cool?
28:30 David Imel? Who cares?
28:32 Speaker 01 That's a valid answer.
28:33 Andrew Manganelli? I'll say what, I have a reason for why it's still beneficial. Because if you put a case on it with the camera bump cut out, the case will still be thinner because the camera bump just follows that.
28:44 Speaker 01 So it makes it flush.
28:45 Andrew Manganelli? So it's still thinner than a thick phone with a case on top of it.
28:49 David Imel? Counterpoint.
28:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:51 David Imel? Why do we need our phones to be thinner?
28:53 Speaker 01 We don't.
28:55 David Imel? Nice.
28:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, we don't.
28:56 David Imel? So what if, okay.
28:58 Speaker 01 I'm down.
28:58 David Imel? Stay with me.
28:59 Speaker 03 I've never heard a person ask for this.
29:01 Speaker 01 A thin phone?
29:02 Speaker 03 A thinner phone. I've never, I've never seen someone pick up a phone and be like, too thick.
29:06 David Imel? Remember when Apple, remember when Apple decided to make the iPhone thicker? And the battery life got way better and everyone was like, yes. And then now they're doing the opposite and everyone's saying, no. But they're still doing it anyway.
29:21 Speaker 01 You know what I wonder? Cause I feel like universally, everyone for years has always said, yeah, make the phone thicker. But then engineers work on these devices and you know, the natural progression of technology kind of feel like thinner is more advanced. You see movie props are super thin. Like everyone thinks that the future should be, it's efficient. And then they make a phone thinner and then they get a bunch of praise when it looks cool. And then they sort of believe that they should keep doing that. I wonder if the like, make a thicker phone with more battery actually sells better than the thinner phone. Like if you could isolate that variable being the only difference.
30:00 David Imel? It's a great question because the number one concern of almost every single consumer is that their devices die too fast. Most people are like, I only want to upgrade my phone because it dies too quickly.
30:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:12 David Imel? The question becomes, like you said, is that more powerful of a marketing tactic than
30:18 Speaker 01 Thinness.
30:18 David Imel? Looks flashy.
30:19 Speaker 01 Looks cool.
30:20 David Imel? Yeah.
30:21 Andrew Manganelli? I feel like I have two thoughts on that.
30:23 David Imel? Okay.
30:23 Andrew Manganelli? One is, uh, I spaced out. Wait.
30:28 Speaker 05 Two thoughts.
30:29 David Imel? What if this happens live on the podcast?
30:31 Andrew Manganelli? That's gonna be a problem. I'm gonna need you guys to save me out.
30:34 Speaker 01 Does the thickness count?
30:35 Andrew Manganelli? I've, I have two thoughts on that. One is I think the perception of new and advanced equal like thinness gives that off. And when you're paying for something super expensive, being new and advanced and that feel of it, whether it it means you literally get worse battery life could be a selling point. Then my other thought is just, is thin phones the new curved edges where we
30:59 Speaker 05 Y'all think it feels super great and the new technology and in like three years, we're gonna be like, it actually made.
31:06 David Imel? That's a big question because everyone like heavier phones feel more premium. That is a thing that they have tested. People think that heavier things are more premium.
31:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, the stainless steel iPhone, but.
31:20 David Imel? There's a.
31:21 Speaker 01 It's true, but then the next year they go with titanium and it's lighter and they market the lightness as being a better thing.
31:26 David Imel? It's not weird.
31:26 Speaker 01 It's weird. I, the one thing I'll leave this on is I, I do think tech in general. I think thinness is actually a proxy for efficiency. When we see something get thinner, but have the same battery life, that means it, it's more efficient with the space it's working with. And I think we want technology to move forward by getting more and more efficient in general.
31:47 David Imel? And staying the same size.
31:48 Speaker 01 And if it can get more and more efficient, then that means it can get thinner and thinner and have the same battery life. Or it can stay the same size and have way better battery life, but as long as it's getting more efficient, it's winning. So this techno spark slim is going to fit a silicon carbon battery, I assume.
32:03 David Imel? I hope.
32:04 Speaker 01 It's 5200 million powers. It's thinner, but has the same capacity.
32:08 David Imel? Yeah.
32:08 Speaker 01 That's better efficiency. That looks more high tech to me.
32:12 David Imel? I'm worried that because it's thinner, it's not going to transfer heat as well.
32:16 Speaker 01 It's not gonna cool as well.
32:16 David Imel? Yeah.
32:17 Speaker 01 That's definitely true.
32:18 David Imel? So it will probably die faster.
32:19 Speaker 01 Probably won't be as performant.
32:21 David Imel? Yeah, that too.
32:22 Speaker 01 But.
32:23 David Imel? They're probably under clocking it as well.
32:25 Speaker 01 But it looks cool.
32:26 David Imel? Sure.
32:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:27 David Imel? Yeah.
32:27 Speaker 05 My thing with this is, and this is I'm sure what they're going for, because it's like concepts and stuff, but back in the day when they released like the Samsung edge where it was just like one side of it was curved.
32:36 David Imel? Yeah.
32:37 Speaker 05 I was like, this is.
32:38 David Imel? Six edge.
32:38 Speaker 05 Yeah, the S6 edge. I was like, this is cool, but like, what is, what is this for? Fast forward a decade and it's.
32:45 David Imel? That's what they market it there for.
32:48 Speaker 05 Fast forward a decade and now we have folding phones, you know? Like, what is this actually for? I don't think that it's thin phones. I think somewhere down the line, we'll have something that makes it worth it. Because we experimented this early.
33:00 David Imel? Well, I think that everything is just a TikTok cycle and you can market anything if you just convince people that it's good.
33:09 Speaker 01 It's definitely true. You can go thicker one year and be like, "Look, more battery. Nice." And then the next year you can be like, "Look, it's thinner, it's lighter. Nice." And then the next year it's thicker again. Look.
33:16 David Imel? Exactly.
33:17 Speaker 01 So it's totally fair.
33:17 David Imel? That's literally what Corning does every single year.
33:20 Speaker 01 With Gorilla Glass?
33:20 David Imel? Yeah, because there's an inverse relationship between scratch proof and crack proof. And every year they're like, "It's 50% more scratch proof." They don't talk about how it's less crack proof. And then the next year, they just do the opposite. And they do that forever.
33:32 Speaker 01 Can we make an exposed video? Does this?
33:35 Andrew Manganelli? The new DXOMark video?
33:36 David Imel? I'm sure there are like other improvements that they're making to the glass for sure.
33:41 Speaker 01 Science.
33:41 David Imel? You know.
33:42 Speaker 01 Anyway.
33:43 David Imel? Other thing announced at MWC was the new Xiaomi Buds 5 Pro. And these are just earbuds. They look like OnePlus Buds Pro. You know, they're not that interesting looking. However, in October of 2023, Qualcomm unveiled the new S7 and S7 Pro chipsets, which are Wi-Fi earbud chipsets. And the awesome thing about this is that your earbuds can now connect to your home Wi-Fi. So your phone can be charging in the other room, and you can just have music playback or audio playback coming from the cloud. And this makes a lot of sense because our smart home devices use Wi-Fi for playback. They're not connected to your phone via Bluetooth or anything like that.
34:26 David Imel? So just being able to stream music to your earbuds, I think makes a ton of sense. And I'm very glad that someone is finally releasing them. Unfortunately, right now, these earbuds only work with the Xiaomi 15 and 15 Ultra. They said that it might come to more phones in the future that are using chipsets like the 8Gen 3 or 8 Elite. But for now, only these two phones, which kind of blows.
34:49 Speaker 01 Got it. Yeah.
34:50 Andrew Manganelli? Does this feel kind of like Chromecast for earbuds?
34:53 Speaker 03 No, it's like Sonos for earbuds.
34:56 Andrew Manganelli? I mean Chromecast is also like you pick it on one thing and then send it to X other device. And then it's still pulling from the internet. Yeah.
35:04 David Imel? Yeah. Chromecast Audio.
35:07 Speaker 01 I think that tech is really cool. I'm struggling to picture a scenario where I'm listening to music on my earbuds and my phone is not with me.
35:16 David Imel? I do this all the time.
35:18 Speaker 01 Oh, is it going for a run or something?
35:20 David Imel? No.
35:20 Speaker 05 Because, well, no, you need Wi-Fi.
35:22 David Imel? On the run.
35:23 Speaker 01 Right, so how, so you want to control the music, but you don't have your phone?
35:26 David Imel? If I'm charging my phone in the other room, because low battery, but I want to do some stuff in other parts of my apartment. But I'm like lonely and can't like deal with life without audio playing back in my head 24/7?
35:39 Speaker 05 Same.
35:39 Speaker 01 You're outside of Bluetooth range of your phone.
35:41 David Imel? Yeah, because I live in a railroad apartment where there's like walls every five feet.
35:45 Speaker 01 Sure.
35:46 David Imel? They're made of, um, is that really toxic material?
35:49 Speaker 05 Wait, is this building like outside?
35:51 David Imel? Right.
35:53 Speaker 01 Well, the building is debatable. I guess, yeah, as long as the Bluetooth, the buds, sorry, as long as the buds have good controls to like, yeah, you know, find, because you're just on whatever playlist you're on. You can't really search for songs or...
36:08 David Imel? Well, or can you?
36:09 Speaker 01 I don't know. Maybe you can voice?
36:11 David Imel? I think you do, I can, I think you can do voice commands, same as you could do on regular earbuds.
36:15 Speaker 01 I'm basically picturing you have like a Google Home attached to your head.
36:17 David Imel? That's basically what it is.
36:18 Speaker 01 Okay.
36:19 Speaker 05 My question here is if you go to, you're listening to something, right? You go to the room, you plug in your phone.
36:25 David Imel? Yeah.
36:25 Speaker 05 You're already listening to something. Can you just walk away and it'll switch to Wi-Fi? Or do you have to like go into the app, select like the AirPlay icon or the Chromecast icon?
36:34 David Imel? When it notices your Wi-Fi network, it just switches to Wi-Fi automatically because the Wi-Fi is actually more efficient.
36:39 Speaker 05 Yeah, but will it like pause the audio or stutter or anything like that? That's what I'm curious about.
36:44 David Imel? It'll probably acknowledge before, oh, like if you walk into your apartment.
36:48 Speaker 05 If you're switching mid-stream.
36:50 David Imel? Good question, but I feel like that's a very minor thing.
36:53 Speaker 05 To you, my podcast cannot be interrupted.
36:56 David Imel? Okay, up until recently, every time you would be streaming YouTube with your phone off, like the screen off, and then you turn the screen on and it started the video playback again, it would like stutter. Did you guys notice that?
37:09 Speaker 01 I don't think I noticed that.
37:10 David Imel? No.
37:11 Andrew Manganelli? I think I've noticed. I've had a million.
37:12 David Imel? Well, they fixed it recently. They fixed it recently where now you can unlock your phone and it just continues and it doesn't do the like. Anyway, I'm just like saying it's the same kind of thing. And while it's minorly annoying, it's not like the end of the world. You know, anyway, I want this.
37:26 Speaker 01 Is this a real product?
37:27 David Imel? This is a real product.
37:28 Speaker 01 Okay.
37:29 David Imel? Yeah. It's coming out with the Xiaomi 15 and 15 Ultra, which also launched recently.
37:35 Speaker 01 So I'll keep an eye out for that. Okay.
37:36 David Imel? Cool beans.
37:37 Speaker 01 All right. Well, we got a lot more to get to, obviously, but before we do that, we should take a quick break, which means.
37:45 Speaker 01 Trivia.
37:50 Speaker 03 Just want to say I'm really proud of us for getting through that whole Nubia Music 2 segment and no one made the joke. Wait, they made Music 2?
38:00 David Imel? It's funny.
38:01 Speaker 03 Sitting right there and we spared our audience. Anyway. Forget about music.
38:09 David Imel? It's time for music.
38:10 Speaker 03 We're gonna ask a modular phone camera accessory attachment question.
38:16 David Imel? Project Aura?
38:17 Speaker 03 Project Aura. There goes the question. David already got it. Where's the point? No, I'm just kidding. Um, we've seen plenty of these things over the years. Mark has brought up the Hasselblad Zoom for the Moto.
38:29 David Imel? Moto Z.
38:30 Speaker 03 Moto Moto G.
38:32 David Imel? Z series.
38:33 Speaker 01 It was bad.
38:33 Speaker 03 Droid.
38:34 David Imel? Yeah.
38:34 Speaker 03 Um, not that one though. We also want to give a shout out to the LG Cam Plus Grip, if you remember that thing, the like battery grip. Yeah, on the G5.
38:44 Speaker 01 G5.
38:45 Andrew Manganelli? Wow, the G5 was ahead of its time too.
38:48 Speaker 03 Like a G5.
38:49 David Imel? That's right.
38:50 Speaker 03 Just like that song.
38:50 David Imel? Yeah.
38:51 Speaker 03 But.
38:52 Andrew Manganelli? It's not like a.
38:54 Speaker 03 Oh.
38:55 Speaker 01 It wasn't the like a G5, it was the LG.
38:57 Speaker 03 We are on it today, boys. The very first.
39:02 David Imel? No way.
39:03 Speaker 03 You're right. David, two points. No, the very first, uh, a conversion lens, attachment conversion lens that ever came out for a phone. Came out in what year? I'm not going to ask for the phone because it was only available in Korea. But I would would like to know the year that a smart that it's not a smartphone. I guess that'll give you a hint. The year a phone company was like.
39:30 Speaker 03 You need a wide-angle slash tele lens conversion kit for your and I'll here I'll give you another hit for your six megapixel camera.
39:37 David Imel? Ooh.
39:39 Speaker 01 Damn.
39:39 David Imel? Dang.
39:40 Speaker 03 Six whole megapixels.
39:42 Speaker 01 Remember that. This is gonna be before my time. I'm gonna guess this came out before I was reviewing anything.
39:48 Speaker 03 Before 1993.
39:49 Speaker 01 Before I reviewed anything.
39:51 Andrew Manganelli? I'm gonna guess before Ellis was born.
39:52 Speaker 01 Damn.
39:53 Andrew Manganelli? Which is only like 13 years ago.
39:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly.
39:57 Speaker 01 All right. All right. Well, we'll think about that. The answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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42:18 Speaker 01 All right, welcome back. So this next segment is something that I've hidden from you, David. Andrew's already seen this, but it comes in this box. No, it doesn't. This is just a box that it got shipped to us in.
42:31 Speaker 03 What, the Sigma?
42:31 Speaker 01 This is a Sigma camera. Remember last week we talked about the Sigma BF? And we were all marveling about how cool it looked, but that it might not be ergonomic to hold? Now, we get to find out.
42:43 David Imel? That was an extremely fast turnaround.
42:44 Andrew Manganelli? You're not letting him open it?
42:46 Speaker 01 Oh, would you? Yeah.
42:46 Andrew Manganelli? Wow.
42:47 Speaker 01 Actually, that's a good idea.
42:47 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, yeah, you should open it.
42:48 Speaker 01 You open it, and I want your first impressions, because as far as people in this office goes, you may be the one who has held the most cameras.
42:56 David Imel? That's probably true.
42:57 Speaker 01 And, you know, are familiar with camera ergonomics. So I would love you to open this box and give me your immediate impressions of the ergonomics of using this camera.
43:06 David Imel? Okay.
43:07 Speaker 01 Adam?
43:07 David Imel? Zoom in on my face.
43:11 David Imel? Whoa.
43:12 Andrew Manganelli? It's wrapped, it's wrapped up.
43:13 David Imel? Oh, my goodness.
43:14 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, no, it's not.
43:15 David Imel? Whoa, okay. Interesting.
43:17 Speaker 01 Right, yeah.
43:18 David Imel? These are some first impressions. Definitely front-heavy.
43:23 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
43:23 David Imel? I'm glad that they put the little mini thumb grip on the back. That is handy. Uh, got him. Uh, how do you turn it on?
43:33 Speaker 01 That's the first thing all of us struggled with. One of the five buttons is the power button. Oh, I don't tell, I won't.
43:38 Speaker 03 Oh, sorry.
43:39 Speaker 01 Nevermind, he knows now.
43:39 David Imel? The one that looks like a record button is the power button?
43:42 Speaker 01 Yes.
43:42 David Imel? That's nice.
43:43 Speaker 01 Yes.
43:43 David Imel? Okay, so, ooh, okay. LCD is better than I anticipated. Sub LCD is very cool looking. Okay.
43:53 Speaker 05 Have any of us used this outdoors yet?
43:56 Speaker 01 No.
43:56 Andrew Manganelli? I don't think so.
43:57 Speaker 05 Cause I don't know how this LCD does like in sunlight.
43:59 David Imel? Started recording when I hit, when I did that. How do you switch it to shooting mode instead of video?
44:05 Speaker 01 I think the three dots is mode.
44:08 David Imel? Ugh, this is, oh.
44:10 Speaker 03 It is extremely hard to figure out. People have been comparing this design to teenage engineering a lot, or like this sort of aesthetic. And this is exactly what it looks like when someone uses a teenage engineering product for the first time too.
44:22 David Imel? Like, how do I use this? This is like, it's beautiful, but I don't really know how to use it. I figured it out. Single capture. And then how do you look at the playback? Okay. Ooh. Okay. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Okay.
44:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
44:37 David Imel? Okay.
44:38 Speaker 03 This is the perfect example for a teenage engineering.
44:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
44:41 Speaker 03 It's like, I'm confused, I'm confused, I'm confused. 10 seconds later, I'm elated.
44:46 David Imel? I am delighted by the quality of one shot already.
44:50 Speaker 01 Sure.
44:51 David Imel? The colors are really true to life, really accurate. The 24 megapixel seems totally reasonable. And actually, I am a proponent of lower megapixel, higher, larger sensor.
45:03 Speaker 01 Which this is, which this is full frame.
45:04 David Imel? 24 megapixel.
45:05 Speaker 01 But I want to steer you a little bit.
45:07 David Imel? Okay.
45:07 Speaker 01 Back to the way that you're holding it.
45:09 David Imel? It's not focusing.
45:10 Speaker 01 And the way it feels slash like holds.
45:14 David Imel? Okay.
45:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:16 David Imel? So you have to hold it by holding the lens with your left hand. Otherwise, it just doesn't work.
45:22 Speaker 01 It's kind of sharp, is it not?
45:24 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
45:24 Speaker 01 Like the corners of it.
45:25 David Imel? Yeah, they rounded the bottom right corner a little bit, but it's still sharp at the edge.
45:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:31 David Imel? Um, yeah, that's a great point. A lot of camera manufacturers try to make it so you can do most of the things with just one hand.
45:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:39 David Imel? Uh, this is not that. You have to hold it with two hands, and this is probably one of the smaller lenses.
45:45 Speaker 05 Can you do me a favor?
45:46 David Imel? Yes.
45:46 Speaker 05 Can you turn the aperture dial?
45:48 Speaker 01 In front of the mic.
45:50 David Imel? Oh.
45:51 Speaker 05 It's so good.
45:52 Speaker 01 Do it in front of the mic so they can look at it.
45:53 Speaker 03 Pick it up. Yum.
45:58 Speaker 01 It's nice.
45:58 David Imel? Oh my goodness.
45:59 Speaker 01 And if you actually point it, if you actually point it at the camera, they can see the aperture open and close. It's a nice little thing that they've done with this lens.
46:05 David Imel? Oh my god, it's beautiful.
46:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, so the lens inside, it's a nice lens that we've got on it. It's also silver. So for those who are listening and you want to picture this, it's a full silver aluminum camera with an also full silver, which also appears to be aluminum lens. Uh, with a manual aperture ring that has click stops.
46:23 David Imel? It's not. I actually think this is a digital aperture ring that clicks stops.
46:27 Speaker 01 Sorry, yeah, you're correct. It is a controller.
46:29 David Imel? And it takes a second. It's not like a lag. That's what I was just trying to. But when the aperture does open, it's very smooth and beautiful, which is nice. Oh god, am I coming around to this?
46:38 Speaker 01 So this is what happened to almost all of us here is the first impression was like, wow, this is a cold piece of metal. The second impression, I don't know if you've noticed by now, it starts to get a little bit warm, like the entire aluminum body is a heat sink, which is kind of interesting.
46:50 David Imel? Yeah.
46:51 Speaker 01 And then you are reminded, so it kind of comes back around, you're like, oh, it's nice, it's got this, this nice feel, takes pictures well. And then you're reminded of all the downsides that we talked about last week, which is, one, no SD card slot, internal storage only.
47:06 David Imel? Okay.
47:06 Speaker 01 Two, that battery at the bottom.
47:08 David Imel? Yeah.
47:09 Speaker 01 Super proprietary.
47:10 David Imel? Right.
47:10 Speaker 01 Um, you've just gotta get more of those.
47:13 David Imel? At least it comes out.
47:14 Speaker 01 Three, no viewfinder, so you have to use the screen for everything.
47:18 David Imel? Have you used it outside?
47:19 Speaker 01 We haven't tried that yet.
47:20 David Imel? Okay.
47:21 Speaker 01 And then four, this is something you might not have noticed yet, but those buttons on the back are not real buttons. They are haptic.
47:27 David Imel? No way, really?
47:28 Speaker 01 So turn the camera off and try pressing any of the buttons.
47:31 David Imel? How do you turn it off again?
47:32 Speaker 01 So that same power button, hold it down for like two seconds.
47:34 David Imel? Oh right, the record button's the power button.
47:35 Speaker 01 It turns off, and then try pressing any of the buttons while it's off. They don't move. It's completely fake.
47:40 David Imel? That's crazy.
47:42 Speaker 01 Yeah. I didn't, I didn't know that until I was like messing around with them, trying to feel how clicky they were and the camera was off. And I was like, wait, these are not real buttons.
47:48 David Imel? That is incredibly deceptive.
47:50 Speaker 01 So the haptics are actually good.
47:51 David Imel? It's just like the MacBook Pro touchpad.
47:54 Speaker 01 Very Apple-like.
47:54 David Imel? Wow.
47:55 Andrew Manganelli? That's like legitimately unbelievable.
47:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:58 Andrew Manganelli? Like, I'm pressing it and I'm like, no, that's real. And then I turn it off and it's not doing anything. Can you?
48:03 Speaker 03 I haven't, I haven't seen this yet.
48:04 David Imel? Pass it to us.
48:05 Andrew Manganelli? Turn it on first.
48:06 Speaker 01 Well, I said off first.
48:08 Andrew Manganelli? I think turn it on first, so you feel it, and then turn it off.
48:11 David Imel? I will say, I don't have that much of a problem with having to use two hands to take photos. Because I like cameras with aperture rings anyway.
48:22 Andrew Manganelli? Yep.
48:23 David Imel? And so I'm usually holding it like this, because I often change the aperture in order to take a thing.
48:27 Speaker 01 A lot of cameras have added control, a lot of lenses have added control rings.
48:31 David Imel? Yeah.
48:31 Speaker 01 In the RF world especially. I like that. I do iris control with the ring on Canon RF cameras. Ellis, what do you think about the fake button?
48:39 Speaker 03 The record button's a real button.
48:41 David Imel? No, that's not a record button.
48:42 Speaker 01 Well, you're turning it on. The bottom button is the only real moving button.
48:44 Speaker 03 Okay, okay.
48:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:45 David Imel? Oh, really?
48:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:47 David Imel? Oh.
48:47 Speaker 01 And then the rest are fake.
48:48 David Imel? Okay.
48:49 Andrew Manganelli? You felt it before, right? And it felt like a legit button?
48:51 Speaker 03 This is the first time I've held this camera.
48:52 Andrew Manganelli? But what I'm saying is, like, did you just try when it was turned on, pressing the buttons above the record button?
48:57 Speaker 03 Like, what? There's no way.
48:59 David Imel? This is pretty unbelievable.
49:01 Andrew Manganelli? Is the shutter button, that's real?
49:03 Speaker 01 That shutter button on top is a real shutter button. It actually moves.
49:06 Speaker 03 There is like a little bit of give to these. Like, it's not like it's just...
49:09 David Imel? I mean, it's almost fairly solid.
49:11 Speaker 03 Dude, you guys are not kidding. This thing is sharp.
49:15 David Imel? Yeah.
49:16 Speaker 03 Like, you could, like, grate a block of cheese or something.
49:19 David Imel? I would kind of worry about having it, like, on a strap and having it knocking into things.
49:23 Speaker 03 Well, boy, do I have good news for you. There's no lugs.
49:26 David Imel? There is a strap lug on the right.
49:27 Speaker 03 There's like a little, like, lanyard.
49:29 David Imel? Yeah, a lanyard lug.
49:31 Speaker 01 Yeah. It is, uh, so, I mean, we haven't shot with it very much yet, but I'll have a couple more observations. One is, the camera weighs about a pound, without a lens on it. It was funny, I made a short about it, and I was looking up things that weigh about a pound. So a can of soup is what I referenced in the video. And one of the top comments was like, "Americans will use anything but the metric."
49:54 Speaker 01 You're right, it's a can of soup.
49:56 David Imel? Okay, but how many micro-meters or whatever does it weigh? I don't know. What is that? Kilograms?
50:02 Speaker 01 How many kilograms is a pound? It's one pound.
50:04 David Imel? Grams.
50:04 Speaker 01 But it's dense.
50:04 David Imel? 16 grams?
50:05 Speaker 01 It's dense, and it really feels like high quality, like you were talking about. Like, weight feels like quality.
50:09 David Imel? Oh my goodness.
50:10 Speaker 01 And, I don't know, I, I, there's a lot of cameras that are this size. Like, Sony A6000. You can get a lot of good camera for this exact size of camera. So if you're after just having a small, compact camera that's this size, you can get a great camera.
50:25 David Imel? With a weird battery.
50:26 Speaker 01 Weird battery, yeah.
50:27 David Imel? Yeah, that's true.
50:28 Speaker 01 And so if you get an A6000, you have a viewfinder, you have all the Sony lens system, you have, uh... You know, 4K video, great low light performance, like you get a lot.
50:40 David Imel? We also do have to note that the lenses are like $2,000.
50:42 Andrew Manganelli? I was just gonna say, how much is that specific lens? Two grand? I think you're right.
50:47 Speaker 01 The camera body itself is $2,000 and then the lenses are each in the range of several thousand dollars. There's a $2,000 lens, there's a $6,000 lens, there's some crazy lens.
50:57 David Imel? I'm telling you, this is like the, the poor man's Leica. That's what I'm saying.
51:02 Speaker 01 Which is crazy to say for that much money.
51:06 David Imel? Yeah, well, Leica bodies are like $9,000.
51:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
51:09 David Imel? Just for the body, so.
51:10 Speaker 01 But.
51:10 David Imel? Wow.
51:11 Speaker 01 I just don't know, Leicas are bigger too, right?
51:14 David Imel? Um, not by a lot, mostly because they have viewfinders.
51:17 Speaker 01 True, that's actually.
51:20 David Imel? Yeah, wow, okay, well, I am, I got, I do have to say, I am delight, I am much more delighted than I thought I would be. Also, this sub LCD screen that just does a lot of cool things, I'm very delighted by. And the shutter button feels really good.
51:35 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
51:35 David Imel? Yeah.
51:36 Speaker 01 Damn, we got some nice shots out of it.
51:38 Andrew Manganelli? We didn't get to see the black version.
51:39 David Imel? Yeah.
51:40 Andrew Manganelli? I think it's safe to say the silver lens on silver body.
51:43 David Imel? Looks crazy good.
51:44 Andrew Manganelli? So good, I can't imagine the black version being better.
51:47 David Imel? Yeah. Sigma, if you're listening.
51:49 Andrew Manganelli? Send us all one.
51:50 David Imel? I would like to, I would like to play with one more, more.
51:54 Andrew Manganelli? I would like to play with one forever.
51:56 David Imel? Forever.
51:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, I spent like a solid 30 minutes on Monday, just like taking pictures with that thing. And it was, it was pretty fun.
52:05 David Imel? I really wanna like try this in the field.
52:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
52:09 Andrew Manganelli? Bring it to South by.
52:09 David Imel? Out here in the field.
52:10 Speaker 01 I'll bring it to the South by. Yeah, I'll let people see it, yeah.
52:13 David Imel? Alright.
52:13 Speaker 01 I'll bring it out there.
52:14 David Imel? Okay, cool, very cool.
52:16 Speaker 01 So yeah, just wanted to show that for a little bit.
52:18 David Imel? I will say, why didn't they make the lens cap silver?
52:21 Andrew Manganelli? That is really annoying.
52:22 Speaker 01 That is kinda sad, and you know, I didn't bring it, but there's another lens that had a magnetic lens cap. So it's not even like the pinched plastic, it's literally just a metal magnet lens cap. And you can put it on the back of an iPhone and it sticks to it like MagSafe.
52:36 David Imel? Except the 16E.
52:40 Speaker 01 That's true.
52:40 Speaker 03 Are we pro or anti magnetic lens cap? I couldn't tell from that.
52:44 Speaker 01 I'm pro as hell.
52:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you ever, David, you ever been on the subway and you try to take off? Like on the subway platform and you try to take off one of the pinchy lens caps and one finger slips? And so the lens just goes fly. Well, if that's in the tracks, I hope not.
52:58 Speaker 01 Have fun with it, rats. Surf on it and stuff.
53:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
53:02 Speaker 01 Interesting. Well, yeah, I'm, um, consider me impressed. Consider me impressed.
53:07 Speaker 05 All right.
53:08 Speaker 01 Very nice.
53:08 Speaker 05 I don't know what else is impressive. But I don't think they released anything else this week.
53:13 Speaker 01 Segways.
53:14 Speaker 05 Segway.
53:14 Speaker 01 Segways are impressive.
53:15 Speaker 05 The new, the new MacBook Air M4 dropping for less money than the last MacBook Air.
53:22 Speaker 03 Really?
53:22 Speaker 05 All right.
53:23 Speaker 01 This is actually, yeah.
53:24 Speaker 05 This is actually cool.
53:25 Speaker 01 Pretty good announcement. So, so MacBook Air, as we've reviewed the last couple, and they have graduated to Apple silicon and they've become very, very easy, standard, baseline. Do you want a laptop? This is the one you should probably get type recommendations. And they'd been 999 for a while and then they bumped up, I think around the M2 generation to 1099 base. And they'd still continued to improve it. I think it's doubled in RAM. It's 128 gigs of base storage now, I think. Which is.
53:53 Speaker 05 256.
53:54 Speaker 01 256, okay. So these specs keep getting better. It keeps getting more powerful. This is an M4 update of the base MacBook Air. And it's gone back down to 999. Not for nothing, that's pretty good. Like this is again, like the sort of default Mac that you can recommend to just about anyone who just needs a laptop to do basic stuff.
54:13 Speaker 05 Right.
54:14 Speaker 01 It's funny because I end up reviewing these things and almost nobody buying a MacBook Air should get it to like edit videos or do anything crazy. But the M chips are so good that you kind of can do that anyway.
54:26 Speaker 05 Totally can.
54:27 Speaker 01 So we get to this weird place where I'm reviewing a MacBook Air and like trying video editing on it. And it's like, what am I doing here? I guess I could do this, but you don't really buy it for that.
54:36 Speaker 05 Yeah.
54:36 Speaker 01 It's that capable. I think this is another one of those laptops. It's gonna have a good battery life. There's still a 13 and a 15 inch version. It's just a solid, solid laptop. Nothing amazing about the screen. It's still a 60 hertz screen, like nothing, nothing's gonna blow you out of the water. It's just a solid base laptop.
54:52 Speaker 05 You know what's my favorite thing about it? It supports two external displays now.
54:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, shout to M4.
54:58 Speaker 05 Two 6K external.
54:59 Speaker 01 Which is funny because like if you're doing a MacBook Air, are you also? So doing two 6K external.
55:05 David Imel? If your name is Marquez.
55:07 Speaker 03 Wait, I know this person. This is so funny. Okay. Yeah, I know someone. This is hilarious. She is a filmmaker. But she, so she does not edit video, but she does need to receive editing projects to like review them in proxies. And maybe make like small adjustments here and there. So she does need a video card that won't just like the bed. And I do know her home setup has two displays.
55:31 Speaker 01 So specifically needs quality displays.
55:34 Speaker 03 Yes. But still needs to be able to make very basic video editing moves. This person is real. I know her. This is hilarious.
55:44 Speaker 01 This is good.
55:45 Andrew Manganelli? Does she really, really like the smallest amount of blue possible?
55:49 Speaker 03 The smallest.
55:50 Andrew Manganelli? Cause that is the new color of this one.
55:52 Speaker 03 I, I could, I could see her being into it.
55:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, there is that new color.
55:57 David Imel? Is it called blue?
55:58 Speaker 01 It's sky blue, I think.
55:59 Andrew Manganelli? This is like the silver, like they didn't front, finish running the finishing machine and there's still a little bit of blue left.
56:06 Speaker 03 This story gets even funnier because a week or three weeks ago, she was like, what computer should I get? And I was like, you should get a MacBook Air. And she was like, shouldn't I just like, wait for the new one? That's probably going to come out in a few weeks. And I was like, I don't know. I guess I can't be that much better. Boy, was I wrong.
56:22 Speaker 01 Now she's sending you this clip.
56:23 Speaker 03 Good job for waiting.
56:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, no, that's, it's funny because Apple demos these like setups with like an iPad Pro and a 6K XDR display. And they're like, come on, this is a real person, right? And I'm like, is it though? But you know, this MacBook Air, this is at least one real person.
56:38 David Imel? Also, I used to have an M1 MacBook Air and I used to edit red raw footage on it.
56:44 Andrew Manganelli? Which is not the typical buyer of a MacBook Air.
56:46 David Imel? Yeah.
56:47 Andrew Manganelli? But you can.
56:47 David Imel? It wasn't as performant, but it was doable, you know?
56:51 Speaker 01 Which is amazing.
56:52 David Imel? Which is crazy. I will say these things start to slow down a little bit once you run out of storage. Because they use a lot of swap memory, uh, but they both upgraded the memory to 16 gigabytes of RAM. Which I, you know, famously will be completely eaten alive by Adobe programs.
57:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
57:09 David Imel? But 256 gig of storage is better as well. So, yeah.
57:12 Speaker 01 Also, no need to fear. They have Apple Intelligence. I know you all.
57:16 Andrew Manganelli? It's gonna be a, that's common thread.
57:18 Speaker 01 They are built for Apple Intelligence, just so you're, you're up to speed. Great.
57:23 David Imel? Does she need Apple Intelligence?
57:26 Speaker 01 She needs Genmoji. No, there's also some other Mac updates as well this week. So that was, that was the Tuesday update. Now, oh, sorry. The iPad era was Tuesday.
57:36 David Imel? Yeah, we tweeted and talked.
57:37 Speaker 01 The MacBook era also comes with Mac Studio updates today. Mac Studio updates are a little more nuanced. There are two new flavors. There is an M3.
57:48 David Imel? And there's Tapol.
57:48 Speaker 01 Ultra. And then there's the M4 Max.
57:53 David Imel? Yes.
57:54 Speaker 01 So if you want a max level chip, M4 generation, if you want an ultra level chip, which is higher than Max, M3 Ultra. So there is no M4 Ultra yet. M3 Ultra is the new most powerful chip we've ever seen from Apple. I don't know how far away we are from M4 Ultra, but I assume that that will be coming up eventually in
58:18 David Imel? M5.
58:18 Speaker 01 Mac Pro. We're also around the corner from M5.
58:21 David Imel? Yeah.
58:22 Speaker 01 So could be interesting to buy an M3 Ultra chip the same year that M5 comes out. This has kind of become a staggered.
58:29 David Imel? Or an M4. Oh, is it coming out this year, M5?
58:32 Speaker 01 I think so.
58:33 David Imel? Oh, yeah, probably.
58:33 Speaker 01 Probably.
58:34 David Imel? November or something.
58:35 Speaker 01 Yeah. So I think, yeah, it's, this might deserve an explain video at some point, but it's kind of become this like staggering wave of new chips as they came out. It's not like we got the entire M4 lineup at once. We got M4 Base, M4 Pro and M4 Max in the laptops. Now we have M4 Max in the Mac Studio, but no M4 Ultra. So if you want an Ultra chip, you can get M3 Ultra. M4 Ultra will probably be coming soon, but by that time, M5 Base is going to come out somewhere and it's like this rolling system. It needs a visual.
59:05 Andrew Manganelli? We all understood that.
59:06 Speaker 01 I'm saying it into a microphone and it sounds like I'm just blabbering. This needs a visual.
59:10 David Imel? I literally need you to draw it out.
59:12 Speaker 01 I know. I had to like diagram it. So, yeah, well, this may be a video. We'll see.
59:17 Andrew Manganelli? It made me realize this morning that I think Max is the dumbest name possible because it's not the highest one. Ultra is higher.
59:24 Speaker 01 That's true.
59:25 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, wait a second. The, the, the description of the word maximum is the greatest or highest amount possible or attained. And then they're like, let's double it.
59:35 Speaker 01 Go off. Yeah, this is true. That is very true.
59:38 David Imel? Max Plus, you know?
59:40 Andrew Manganelli? What?
59:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, Pro Max, yeah.
59:43 David Imel? Pro Max.
59:44 Speaker 01 That is the-
59:44 Andrew Manganelli? But that is.
59:45 Speaker 01 That is.
59:45 Andrew Manganelli? That is the max.
59:46 Speaker 01 Pro Max is the max you can get.
59:47 David Imel? Size-wise.
59:48 Andrew Manganelli? And actually, it makes sense because the big, regular iPhone is just called the Plus.
59:53 Speaker 01 So are you saying that in Max, Max is not the max?
59:56 Andrew Manganelli? That is also very confusing. Maybe I was so confused.
59:59 Speaker 01 In Max, Max is not Max.
1:00:01 David Imel? Correct.
1:00:02 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:00:02 David Imel? Ultra.
1:00:03 Speaker 01 As long as we're on the same page.
1:00:05 David Imel? Ultra is more Max than Max.
1:00:07 Speaker 01 On in Max. In Max.
1:00:08 David Imel? Yeah, in the Max.
1:00:09 Speaker 01 But outside of Max, Max is Max. Yeah, because it's Pro Max.
1:00:14 David Imel? Well, there's something wrong with my brain because I understood that.
1:00:17 Speaker 01 Yeah. Perfect. Uh, yeah, no, that's kind of it. That's our, that's our Mac update, I think.
1:00:24 David Imel? I never want to hear that word again.
1:00:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, I want to review the, uh, new MacBook.
1:00:27 Andrew Manganelli? We didn't talk about the iPad. Do you want to do it really quick?
1:00:30 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:00:30 Andrew Manganelli? Because that's about all there is to it.
1:00:32 Speaker 01 Okay, we can also do the iPad. There is a new iPad. It's got the M3 chip, iPad Air. Beautiful. That's kind of all that's new, right? Maybe double the RAM?
1:00:40 Andrew Manganelli? It's built for Apple Intelligence.
1:00:41 Speaker 01 Sorry.
1:00:41 Andrew Manganelli? Excuse me.
1:00:43 Speaker 01 Built for Apple Intelligence.
1:00:44 David Imel? Sick.
1:00:44 Speaker 01 It's a new chip. It has these, these colors. It's, it's neat. It looks exactly the same.
1:00:49 Andrew Manganelli? The new Magic Keyboard for it has function rows and a larger trackpad, which I do think is actually good. And I believe is cheaper.
1:00:55 Speaker 01 It's cheaper, but it's still way too expensive. Is it $50 cheaper or something?
1:01:00 Andrew Manganelli? $2.69 and $3.19.
1:01:02 David Imel? It's a little bit cheaper.
1:01:03 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:01:03 David Imel? But it's so expensive.
1:01:05 Speaker 01 So that came out. And there's also a new base iPad. It's still $3.29. And it has a new A16 chip and doesn't support Apple Intelligence.
1:01:19 David Imel? Maybe that's the one to get.
1:01:22 Speaker 01 I guess that's a gated feature now. No Apple Intelligence for the baseline iPad, but it does have the newest, not the newest, it does have a newer-
1:01:29 David Imel? It has an A-series chip, right?
1:01:30 Speaker 01 A16, yeah. A16 generation, so-
1:01:33 David Imel? Which is one, one old? Or no?
1:01:35 Speaker 01 Too old.
1:01:36 David Imel? Too old, because we're on A18.
1:01:37 Speaker 01 We're on A18.
1:01:38 David Imel? So that makes sense that it wouldn't support Apple Intelligence, right?
1:01:40 Speaker 01 That's correct.
1:01:40 David Imel? Yeah.
1:01:40 Speaker 01 Why not put the, you just put the A18 in the $600 iPhone? Maybe that's too pricey for the $300 iPad?
1:01:50 Speaker 03 Can you help me understand? I'm so confused. Is Genmoji Apple Intelligence?
1:01:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, it is.
1:01:56 Speaker 03 It is.
1:01:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:57 Speaker 03 And then, and then the new Siri, Siri GPT is also Apple Intelligence?
1:02:02 Speaker 01 Eventually, when it comes out, yeah.
1:02:03 Speaker 03 But like the ChatGPT like integration into?
1:02:07 Speaker 01 That is also Apple Intelligence.
1:02:08 Speaker 03 That's also Apple Intelligence and also not here yet, or that is here?
1:02:10 Speaker 01 That's Apple Intelligence.
1:02:11 David Imel? It's here, yeah.
1:02:12 Andrew Manganelli? Is Apple Intelligence in the room with us right now?
1:02:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, so like, it's just like, okay, so what they mean when they say it's built for Apple Intelligence, they mean you can do Genmoji on it?
1:02:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, so I did a review of like all of the currently available Apple Intelligence features, and the list is not very long right now.
1:02:30 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:02:30 Speaker 01 Notification summaries.
1:02:32 Speaker 03 But it is like a promise, it's an IOU of like, you will get these features.
1:02:36 Speaker 01 It's growing. It's growing with iOS updates. So as of right now, if you have a device that supports Apple Intelligence, writing tools, summarization for reconstructing text.
1:02:48 Speaker 03 Oh, and then notification.
1:02:49 Speaker 01 Notifications, summaries, Genmoji is in there. Remember the Image Playground where you can make weird emoji things?
1:02:54 Speaker 03 No, I'm starting to understand now.
1:02:55 Speaker 01 That's, that's all Apple Intelligence is at this point. It's not, it's not really a buying point for most people.
1:03:03 David Imel? Yeah. They said there was gonna be a super cycle of people buying AI phones, where smartphones would be back, baby.
1:03:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:11 David Imel? No.
1:03:12 Speaker 03 When does the Apple Roadster come out?
1:03:15 Speaker 01 Soon. I will, I'll bring up one more device since we're talking about AI. I reviewed the Nothing Phone 3A and 3A Pro this week.
1:03:23 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
1:03:23 Speaker 01 And those phones really don't have much AI at all. Like, if you've followed Nothing Phones for the past couple of years, they have not done the like, uh, remove an part of your image from the background thing. They have not done writing tools or notification summaries or any of this AI stuff.
1:03:38 Andrew Manganelli? They did something better.
1:03:40 Speaker 01 So you can have Gemini and all the basic stuff, but the one thing they did on these Nothing Phones that is AI is they added a button to the side of the phone.
1:03:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:49 Speaker 01 And as I described in the video, it's, it's literally just like a, a place where you store stuff. It's like I've described it, uh, like Google screenshots app on steroids.
1:04:01 Speaker 01 It's fine. It works. It allows you to parse information from the screenshot and save some of it. So if you want to search back for an old screenshot, it's easy to remember and find. You can attach voice notes to things you save by holding the button down. But that's kind of all it really does. It's not backed up anywhere. It's not going to sync across devices. It's kind of just like built into your phone. The Essential Space is what it's called.
1:04:23 David Imel? Essential Space.
1:04:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:04:25 David Imel? But notably, it's the Nothing Phone, not the Essential Phone.
1:04:28 Speaker 01 That's true.
1:04:28 David Imel? Yeah.
1:04:29 Speaker 01 So yeah, that was interesting.
1:04:31 David Imel? They have said it's going to be upgraded in the coming months to have more features.
1:04:34 Speaker 01 Yes, just like everyone else and all of their AI promises.
1:04:38 David Imel? Yes.
1:04:39 Speaker 05 Wow, someone's got a grudge.
1:04:41 Speaker 01 Well, you know, that's also what Apple Intelligence is doing, and that's also what the rabbit's doing.
1:04:44 Speaker 05 The best thing about Apple Intelligence is that it forced Apple to put 16 gigs of RAM in everything.
1:04:49 Speaker 01 Actually, the best thing.
1:04:51 David Imel? Yeah.
1:04:51 Speaker 01 That's a fact.
1:04:53 David Imel? Yeah.
1:04:54 Speaker 01 But now here we are. We got new iPads. We got new MacBook Air. We got new Mac Studio. We got new AI.
1:05:00 David Imel? New Nothing.
1:05:00 Speaker 01 A new Nothing.
1:05:02 David Imel? The Nothing Phones are quite good value, though.
1:05:04 Speaker 01 $379 for the 3A, in the US, anyway.
1:05:08 Speaker 05 That's crazy.
1:05:09 David Imel? It's pretty good.
1:05:09 Speaker 05 That's so good.
1:05:10 David Imel? Also, have to acknowledge that there is now a 3A Pro. And the A series was supposed to be the cheaper version of the standard number. So where does...
1:05:22 David Imel? There's gonna be a 3 that hasn't come out yet.
1:05:24 Speaker 01 Correct.
1:05:24 David Imel? It's kind of like the M3 Ultra.
1:05:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, I assume the Nothing Phone 3, when it comes out, will be a, quote, flagship, and it will cost more than the 3A and the 3A Pro.
1:05:34 David Imel? Yeah.
1:05:34 Speaker 01 It will probably be in the $500, $600, $700 range.
1:05:36 David Imel? Yeah.
1:05:37 Speaker 01 And it'll probably have a better chip. And yeah, we don't know when that's coming.
1:05:41 David Imel? Carl has said specifically that it is going to be an AI-focused phone, and I really wonder if that means that they're just gonna lean harder into the button? And if that's the main thing, or if it's gonna be even more... AI.
1:05:55 Speaker 01 Like catching up with all the Samsung stuff?
1:05:57 David Imel? Uh, maybe.
1:05:58 Speaker 01 Like drawing something in your picture and then it being a sketch or something? I don't know.
1:06:02 David Imel? Like.
1:06:03 Speaker 05 I hope it's more to do with the button.
1:06:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:06:05 David Imel? Yeah.
1:06:06 Andrew Manganelli? Do you like the button being like totally different than all the other buttons?
1:06:10 Speaker 01 So the button is in a place right next to the power button where it is very, very easy to press it accidentally all the time.
1:06:16 David Imel? Yeah.
1:06:17 Andrew Manganelli? And it's like, like bulging out and not flat.
1:06:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:06:21 Andrew Manganelli? I don't like how it looks.
1:06:22 Speaker 01 It doesn't look great, but the fact that it is domed and feels different from the power button at least helps me press it accidentally less often because it's right next to the power button. But it is still annoying and I press it accidentally all the time. I take screenshots of my home screen every day. So that's a thing.
1:06:42 David Imel? Have they said what the essential space is like for? You know?
1:06:47 Speaker 01 Uh, not any more than we have.
1:06:49 David Imel? Kind of store stuff in it? You can't like ask your phone about the stuff in the space?
1:06:52 Speaker 01 Oh, no, no. Yeah. So, so like I said, the screenshots app on steroids. Like the screenshots app is supposed to be able to like parse through and sort through all the stuff that it finds in your screenshots. So this is the same way. And if you have an event that you took a screenshot of the event page, it will remind you of that event when it comes up. Or if you have a voice note and you say, remind me to buy tickets for this tomorrow, it will set a to do action in this app to revisit this screenshot so you can buy tickets to the event.
1:07:23 David Imel? Question.
1:07:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:07:25 David Imel? Couldn't you just tell like Siri or Google Assistant?
1:07:29 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:07:30 David Imel? Cool.
1:07:31 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:07:31 David Imel? Okay.
1:07:32 Andrew Manganelli? I think it sounds cool, but I also was the only person who liked the screenshot app, I feel like.
1:07:36 Speaker 05 I love it. I think this is like a to do list app built into your phone. They do need, like you said, Marques, cross-platform functionality. If they get a Mac app and a Windows app, I think that's enough. That would be so sick.
1:07:49 Speaker 01 I agree. I just can't hold my breath for it.
1:07:51 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:07:52 Speaker 01 I don't think it's coming anytime soon.
1:07:53 David Imel? Are you, while you're using this phone, are you like, that should go in the essential space? And you put it in there?
1:07:59 Speaker 01 It's more of just like reminders and things I need to remember later.
1:08:02 David Imel? Why wouldn't you just use your reminder app?
1:08:05 Speaker 01 Well, because, I mean, this is a button on the side of the phone, so it kind of is encouraging you to remember more things. So I'm just texting someone and, oh, I gotta remember to answer this text later. Let me just hit the thing, save it, and tell myself later what I want to do.
1:08:18 David Imel? Doesn't Google Messages have a "Remind me to answer this text" feature?
1:08:21 Speaker 01 Yes, individual apps have versions of these features, but it all being built into one hub is maybe the nice thing.
1:08:29 David Imel? Okay.
1:08:30 Speaker 01 Uh, yeah, so some people are gonna be into that.
1:08:32 Speaker 05 Yeah, because the reminders app, if you want to set a reminder, it's just text. Can you attach anything to your reminder?
1:08:39 Andrew Manganelli? Associated with the screenshot that it takes at the time as well. So you can be like, "Remind me to buy this for Claire on her birthday." For her birthday, or something like that. And then, and then it's like, "Claire birthday presents." I can probably search and find all the times I had said, "This is something that might work for a good birthday present."
1:08:57 Speaker 01 You can build collections, which are kind of like folders, so.
1:09:00 David Imel? Okay, well, I'm going to try it more.
1:09:03 Speaker 05 I feel like it's the best use of an AI on a phone thus far, besides like Circle to Search.
1:09:08 David Imel? Yeah, oh, I love Circle to Search.
1:09:09 Speaker 05 Circle to Search is iconic, but this is pretty close.
1:09:12 David Imel? Google, Google Now on Tap?
1:09:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:09:15 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:09:15 Speaker 01 The exact same thing.
1:09:16 David Imel? I love Google Now on Tap, too. It's just rebranded, yeah. So, yeah, okay.
1:09:20 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:09:21 David Imel? That's the Nothing phones. We should take another quick break. We got a little more to get through. But before we do that, some trivia questions.
1:09:34 Speaker 05 We're going long, so how many transistors does the M1 have?
1:09:37 David Imel? Go!
1:09:38 Speaker 01 Oh, I know this.
1:09:38 David Imel? Transistors?
1:09:39 Speaker 01 M1.
1:09:40 David Imel? The M1.
1:09:40 Speaker 05 M1, original M1.
1:09:41 David Imel? You know this?
1:09:42 Speaker 01 Well, I've been researching a specific transistor.
1:09:45 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah, wait.
1:09:46 David Imel? Wow.
1:09:47 Speaker 01 I'm still gonna get it wrong, though.
1:09:50 Speaker 01 Okay, we'll think about that, answer that at the end later. We'll be right back.
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1:11:34 Speaker 03 Welcome back. I have a family, specifically David Amell. And by that, I mean we share a YouTube premium account.
1:11:43 David Imel? We do? You're in my family?
1:11:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:11:46 David Imel? Is this recent?
1:11:47 Speaker 03 No.
1:11:48 David Imel? Oh, God.
1:11:49 Speaker 03 This is like, as soon as I started working here.
1:11:51 David Imel? Is this legal?
1:11:53 Speaker 01 I don't know, continue.
1:11:54 Speaker 03 But, uh, so we only pay like $3 a month or something.
1:11:56 Speaker 01 My brother.
1:11:57 Speaker 03 For YouTube Premium. It's dirty cheap.
1:11:59 Speaker 01 That's good.
1:11:59 Speaker 03 But, um, if, uh, if that, if you wanted to pay more than that.
1:12:03 Speaker 01 It is.
1:12:03 Speaker 03 But less than it actually costs, there's now an option.
1:12:07 Speaker 01 There's a new tier in the US.
1:12:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, tier. That's the right word.
1:12:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, correct.
1:12:11 Speaker 03 Wow.
1:12:12 Speaker 01 It's called YouTube Premium Lite. It makes sense when you think about it. YouTube Premium gets you no ads and offline downloads.
1:12:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:12:24 Speaker 01 And YouTube Music.
1:12:26 Speaker 03 What?
1:12:27 Speaker 01 And I think-
1:12:28 Speaker 03 Wait, stop. Really?
1:12:29 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah. It's always come with YouTube. It's a deal, bro. Ellis. You haven't paid for this and not even using it? Yeah. It's good.
1:12:35 Andrew Manganelli? Ellis, you get free YouTube Music.
1:12:36 Speaker 01 Uh, it's good. So, but if you, and also there's like, um, offline playback. I think there's another, there's like a picture-in-picture feature, a couple of little things-
1:12:43 Andrew Manganelli? And they'll like turn your screen off.
1:12:44 Speaker 01 Turn your screen off and it's continued to playback. So that's great. That all comes with paying for YouTube Premium. But if all you really care about is no ads, now there's a new tier that's just YouTube Premium Lite, and that's no ads on non-music videos. So if you don't listen to music on YouTube, you're a Spotify, Apple Music person.
1:13:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:13:01 Speaker 01 You can only pay eight bucks a month in the US for YouTube Premium Lite and still get ad-free YouTube.
1:13:08 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, there's ads on music videos?
1:13:09 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:13:10 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:13:10 Andrew Manganelli? Why?
1:13:11 Speaker 01 Because-
1:13:11 Speaker 03 More expensive. You gotta pay, like YouTube has to pay for the-
1:13:16 Speaker 01 Licensing.
1:13:16 Speaker 03 I would, that would be my guess.
1:13:18 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:13:18 Andrew Manganelli? That makes sense.
1:13:19 Speaker 03 The licensing on this.
1:13:20 Speaker 01 Also, YouTube is an extremely popular music streaming platform, so. Maybe the most. Yeah.
1:13:25 Speaker 03 Can I tell a really funny story?
1:13:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:13:28 Speaker 03 I, when I got my iPod Touch in, must have been like 7th grade or something like that, I distinctly remember, uh, getting it, seeing the YouTube app on it. And the first thought I had was, why did I waste 99 of my hard-earned cents on Kanye West's Heartless? When I could listen to it for free wherever I am with this?
1:13:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, the YouTube logo on the iPod Touch was a TV.
1:13:58 David Imel? Yeah.
1:13:58 Speaker 01 Remember that?
1:13:59 David Imel? Cause it was old.
1:14:00 Speaker 01 It was like an analog TV.
1:14:01 David Imel? Mm hmm.
1:14:01 Andrew Manganelli? You guys got the iPod Touch in seventh grade?
1:14:04 Speaker 01 I got it.
1:14:04 David Imel? Yeah.
1:14:06 Speaker 01 Middle school.
1:14:08 David Imel? No, because the iPhone came out in 2007.
1:14:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, I got it after, after the iPhone came out, because I couldn't get the iPhone as well as an ATT.
1:14:15 Speaker 03 I was in sixth grade.
1:14:18 Speaker 01 I want to say I was in.
1:14:19 Speaker 03 Actually, I have like an even funnier story about this because I got it because as I mentioned on a previous episode, my parents were really anti kids having cell phones. They were like, Ellis should not have one of these. But I was a pretty independent kid and needed to let my mom know where I was a lot of the time. And so my mom read somewhere that you could get texting apps, like, like old text over Wi Fi apps for the iPod Touch. But I don't know if my parents fully understood what Wi Fi was.
1:14:48 David Imel? Yeah.
1:14:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:14:49 David Imel? So.
1:14:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, in my school, in, in high school, like all the kids that didn't have smartphones just had iPods and they were able to do, iPod Touches and were able to do all the same things.
1:14:59 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah. Did you have a, did you have Pal Ringo?
1:15:02 David Imel? What's that?
1:15:02 Speaker 03 Oh, my God. Pal Ringo is this crazy, it was essentially Woof.
1:15:06 David Imel? What's that?
1:15:07 Speaker 01 That's not a real sentence.
1:15:10 Speaker 03 This guy, no, but it's essentially like, it was this app that could unite all of your different messaging accounts into one inbox. Including all of the weird off brand texting over Wi Fi apps.
1:15:23 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
1:15:24 Speaker 03 So, yeah, I could get my Ames.
1:15:26 David Imel? There were some weird ones.
1:15:26 Speaker 03 My SMSs, my Facebook messengers. That was kind of all there was back then, all in my Pal Ringo inbox.
1:15:34 David Imel? Yeah, the iPod Touch came out in 2007 as well.
1:15:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's the first piece of tech I ever actually owned.
1:15:40 David Imel? Oh.
1:15:41 Speaker 01 And it got stolen like a week.
1:15:42 Speaker 03 No.
1:15:43 David Imel? Dang. I spent like my life savings on mine.
1:15:46 Speaker 01 Same. I got, I was like the happiest kid ever for a weekend and it got stolen and I was the sad.
1:15:50 Speaker 03 It got stolen in a week?
1:15:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:52 David Imel? That sucks, bro.
1:15:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, I got it. I like brought it into school because I'm an idiot and then I like had it stolen out of my locker and then, uh, yeah, I was like, my life savings is gone. I can't even listen to music or anything.
1:16:03 Speaker 03 Someone would financially recover from.
1:16:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, it was tough.
1:16:05 David Imel? Well, did it have YouTube Premium Lite on it?
1:16:08 Speaker 01 No, but you know, some kid out there could get that now. It'd be great. Ad free.
1:16:13 Speaker 03 Dude, someone out there has. Mark has Brownlee's iPod Touch.
1:16:16 Speaker 01 That makes me so sad.
1:16:17 Speaker 03 And doesn't even know.
1:16:18 David Imel? It's probably e-waste by now.
1:16:20 Speaker 01 Some thieves. Some high school thief. In my head, they're still high school thief.
1:16:26 David Imel? They never grew up.
1:16:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, they never grew up.
1:16:27 David Imel? It's like Biff, you know?
1:16:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:16:30 David Imel? Deep preference.
1:16:30 Speaker 03 Anyway.
1:16:31 Andrew Manganelli? I missed that one.
1:16:32 Speaker 03 Was there anything else about YouTube Premium Lite that we missed?
1:16:35 David Imel? Um, in the coming weeks, they will also make it available to users in the current pilot countries, which include Thailand, Germany, Australia, and also that YouTube Music and Premium reach over 125 million subscribers globally when you include trial users, which is a very funny amendment.
1:16:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, that is, wow.
1:16:54 David Imel? Uh, but it will expand to additional countries later this year.
1:16:58 Speaker 01 Last thing, Google Fi just got an update.
1:17:00 Speaker 03 Let's go.
1:17:01 Speaker 01 Uh, it now.
1:17:02 David Imel? It's not Google Fi that got the update.
1:17:02 Speaker 01 Sorry, T-Mobile NVMOs.
1:17:04 David Imel? Yeah.
1:17:05 Speaker 01 Have, uh, worked with Apple, I guess, in order to make this iOS 18.2 beta support RCS with them.
1:17:13 David Imel? 18.4, sorry.
1:17:14 Speaker 01 18.4.
1:17:15 David Imel? I meant to write 4.
1:17:16 Speaker 01 18.4 beta supports RCS. So if you're a Google Fi user and you have the iOS 18.4 beta, flip that switch, baby.
1:17:23 David Imel? It's just the greatest.
1:17:25 Speaker 03 Alright, David.
1:17:26 Speaker 01 You're an R, you're a Google Fi user, right?
1:17:28 David Imel? Yep.
1:17:29 Speaker 01 You've been waiting.
1:17:30 David Imel? Yep, I've been a Google Fi user for a very long time.
1:17:32 Speaker 03 Me too.
1:17:32 David Imel? I have been screaming into the void for a very long time.
1:17:35 Speaker 01 The void has answered.
1:17:36 David Imel? The void has finally answered.
1:17:38 Speaker 01 They said, here, have this beta.
1:17:39 David Imel? Yeah. Have this sigma. There was a, uh, there was this report that Apple was the one that was basically holding back releasing the abilities for NVMOs to be able to use Google, uh, to be able to use RCS.
1:17:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:17:57 David Imel? And now they've finally done it in the beta. So I'm extremely excited. I can, I finally turned it on yesterday and my life is 100 times better.
1:18:05 Speaker 01 Oh, you're already on the beta?
1:18:06 David Imel? Oh, I'm.
1:18:06 Speaker 01 Of course you are.
1:18:07 Speaker 03 Here's number one.
1:18:08 Speaker 01 Why'd I even ask? Of course.
1:18:09 David Imel? Yeah, I was the, the alpha beta user.
1:18:12 Speaker 01 Adam, go ahead and get, get cracking on that download.
1:18:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm literally about to turn on betas right now.
1:18:17 David Imel? Yeah, so, thank you.
1:18:20 Speaker 05 Wait, public beta or developer beta?
1:18:22 David Imel? Developer beta.
1:18:23 Speaker 01 Developer beta is beta iOS 18.4.
1:18:27 David Imel? Beta 2.
1:18:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm on the public beta, so I'm on 18.3, I think.
1:18:32 David Imel? Wow.
1:18:32 Speaker 01 Which is still fine. I've just been like waiting for the new Siri and I don't.
1:18:37 David Imel? I don't know, man. I don't know when that's coming. I don't know when that's coming. The developer beta is fine. I haven't had any issues with it at all.
1:18:43 Speaker 01 I sometimes have battery issues, so I just need to like pay attention.
1:18:46 David Imel? Yeah.
1:18:47 Speaker 01 It's fine.
1:18:48 David Imel? Well, to all my Fi users out there who are on the iPhone, which is like three of us. Hell yeah, brother.
1:18:54 Speaker 05 I got one more request for Fi. Let us attach the Apple Watch. You can't do it.
1:18:59 David Imel? Ooh.
1:19:00 Speaker 05 The cellular. Can't do it.
1:19:01 Speaker 03 What about a, can you attach a Pixel Watch?
1:19:03 David Imel? You can.
1:19:03 Speaker 05 For free.
1:19:04 David Imel? For free.
1:19:04 Speaker 03 So do it.
1:19:05 David Imel? You don't even have to pay. If you're on Google Fi, Pixel Watch, cellular, free.
1:19:10 Speaker 05 Well, is that still the case? Cause I know it was when it came out, but I'm not sure if that's.
1:19:13 David Imel? Yeah, it's still the case.
1:19:13 Speaker 05 It's okay.
1:19:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's really funny, actually.
1:19:15 David Imel? Yeah.
1:19:16 Speaker 01 Like, oh, you have a Pixel Watch? Dude, yeah, it's free. You can use it.
1:19:20 David Imel? Yeah.
1:19:21 Speaker 01 That's great. All right. I think that covers it. Look, there's gonna be more announcements. It's like the end of MWC and the beginning of South by and there's just a bunch more announcements and tech things happening, so stay tuned. Keep it locked, as they say. Get subscribed if you haven't already. I think radio people say that.
1:19:38 Speaker 05 Oh.
1:19:38 Speaker 01 Yeah. I don't know why I said it.
1:19:40 David Imel? Keep it locked. 96.9.
1:19:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, keep it locked here on uh, WDFRM. Which kinda sounds like a radio station. Uh, but we should wrap it up by finding out the answers to those trivia questions.
1:19:57 Speaker 03 I'm pretty sure, back in the day of radios that had knobs and dials and stuff, you could lock the dial. So that no one could change the station. But I am not old enough.
1:20:10 Speaker 01 I could not confirm that, but it makes perfect sense.
1:20:13 David Imel? That's hardcore.
1:20:13 Speaker 03 I had, I have listened to a lot of terrestrial radio in my day, but I've never had one with a knob.
1:20:19 David Imel? Dude, especially when you had to like fine tune it because it was just the, the little dial thing. I would definitely lock that. Cause you go over a speed bump and it's like.
1:20:31 Speaker 01 You know?
1:20:32 David Imel? Yeah, I was talking about some old people's stuff.
1:20:35 Speaker 03 Who else but us? All right, question number one. Modular phone camera accessories.
1:20:43 Speaker 03 Year. I was wrong in the beginning. I said six megapixel. And I meant, did I say megapixel wrong? It just fell out of my mouth and felt incongruous. Earlier, I said six megapixels and I meant seven megapixels. What phone? No. What year did this phone come out in? And it had a telephoto conversion lens and a wide angle conversion lens. And both of them looked really silly.
1:21:14 David Imel? And bad.
1:21:15 Speaker 03 And nah.
1:21:18 David Imel? It was unbelievable how much better quality film was back in the day. I can see why they thought digital would never catch on.
1:21:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:21:25 David Imel? At like, with like two megapixel cameras.
1:21:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:21:27 David Imel? Yeah.
1:21:29 Speaker 03 All right.
1:21:30 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
1:21:31 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:21:31 David Imel? Oh.
1:21:32 Speaker 03 I did not say if we were doing closest delta or Price is Right rules.
1:21:36 David Imel? True.
1:21:37 Speaker 03 So we will do closest delta. But, Marquez, let me see your board real quick.
1:21:41 Speaker 01 Oh, that's 2008.
1:21:42 Speaker 03 All right, so.
1:21:44 David Imel? Is that an MX chip on the right?
1:21:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
1:21:48 Speaker 03 God damn it.
1:21:52 Speaker 03 You mother.
1:21:52 Andrew Manganelli? Did we split? It's 2006.
1:21:56 Speaker 03 You did split it if we're doing closest.
1:21:59 Speaker 01 So we all.
1:21:59 Andrew Manganelli? We all get the point.
1:22:00 Speaker 03 2006. But if we do Price is Right rules, only two of you get it.
1:22:03 David Imel? That would be mean.
1:22:04 Speaker 03 That would be mean.
1:22:06 David Imel? That'd be great.
1:22:07 Andrew Manganelli? I'm down for everyone gets a point.
1:22:09 Speaker 03 Well, you get a point either way, so let's not. Let's see, everyone, everyone gets a point. Everyone gets a point. The answer was obviously.
1:22:16 David Imel? 2006.
1:22:17 Speaker 03 2006.
1:22:18 David Imel? Andrew and I both put 2004.
1:22:19 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I realized we didn't say.
1:22:21 Speaker 03 The phone was the Samsung V770.
1:22:25 Speaker 01 Huh, never heard of it.
1:22:26 David Imel? Someone will correct us.
1:22:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, and if I'm wrong, no, I'm not.
1:22:30 Andrew Manganelli? He's only wrong if it goes lower.
1:22:33 Speaker 05 Quick update on the score after those correct answers. Marquez with eight, catching up.
1:22:39 David Imel? What?
1:22:40 Speaker 05 Andrew with five.
1:22:41 David Imel? Missed a week or something?
1:22:43 Speaker 05 David with eleven.
1:22:44 Speaker 03 Nope.
1:22:45 David Imel? Nope. No healthy lead has become a little more sickly.
1:22:48 Speaker 01 Let's do another one.
1:22:50 Speaker 05 How many transistors does the original M1 chip have?
1:22:54 Speaker 01 Closest delta or?
1:22:56 Speaker 05 Without going over.
1:22:57 Speaker 01 Without going over. Price is right?
1:22:59 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:22:59 Speaker 01 Rules?
1:23:00 Speaker 05 Price is right rules, because we did delta last time, so this time I'll do closest delta.
1:23:05 Speaker 03 I'm gonna be so wrong.
1:23:08 Speaker 05 You say that, but if you just pick an absurd number, you might be right.
1:23:13 Speaker 03 That's true.
1:23:15 Speaker 01 Trying to remember.
1:23:20 Speaker 05 Alright, flip them and read.
1:23:24 Andrew Manganelli? I thought I was going over and I'm the lowest by four billion.
1:23:28 Speaker 05 Wait, so what'd you say?
1:23:29 Andrew Manganelli? One billion.
1:23:30 Speaker 05 You said one billion?
1:23:31 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:23:31 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:23:32 David Imel? I said forty billion.
1:23:33 Speaker 05 Forty billion, Marquez.
1:23:35 Speaker 01 Right in the middle, nine and a half billion.
1:23:37 Speaker 05 So if we're doing Price is Right.
1:23:40 David Imel? Horrible answer.
1:23:41 Speaker 05 That is a horrible answer. Marquez gets the point. The correct answer is sixteen billion on the original M1.
1:23:50 Andrew Manganelli? You were closer also.
1:23:51 Speaker 01 Oh. Sixteen billion, yeah.
1:23:53 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:23:53 David Imel? Yeah, that sounds more.
1:23:54 Speaker 05 The M1 Ultra or Pro? I forget which one. It had like thirty-three point seven billion, so you were close.
1:24:00 David Imel? Okay.
1:24:01 Speaker 05 If we were doing the other one.
1:24:02 Speaker 01 But it was the base chip.
1:24:03 Speaker 05 Right.
1:24:03 Speaker 01 The little square.
1:24:04 David Imel? I didn't realize that, I thought it was the Ultra.
1:24:07 Speaker 01 Alright, so what do you know? Our, your lead is shrinking, David. How do you feel about that?
1:24:12 Andrew Manganelli? Let's go back to only David and I getting points on the first one.
1:24:14 Speaker 01 No, I kinda liked all getting points.
1:24:16 David Imel? The node size is also shrinking, so one day I will be correct.
1:24:19 Speaker 01 Man, that's true.
1:24:21 David Imel? Thank you.
1:24:21 Speaker 01 But, hey, until then.
1:24:24 Speaker 03 How?
1:24:24 Speaker 01 Nah, it didn't make any sense.
1:24:26 David Imel? No, because you can, well, sure, but there will be forty billion on a, on a MacBook chip at some point.
1:24:31 Speaker 03 I think the.
1:24:31 Speaker 01 I bet the M4 Ultra.
1:24:32 Speaker 03 No, the M, the M2 Max has a hundred and forty-three billion, doesn't it? On the whole SoC?
1:24:38 Speaker 01 Jesus.
1:24:39 David Imel? That seems like a.
1:24:39 Speaker 05 Fact checking time!
1:24:40 Speaker 01 M3 Ultra, one hundred eighty-four billion, apple.com.
1:24:44 David Imel? So I'm just wrong.
1:24:46 Speaker 01 What about the, okay?
1:24:48 David Imel? That's the ultra, though. What about the pro?
1:24:51 Speaker 01 Uh, we could narrow it down and find one that's close to your number. I don't think that makes it right. Uh, but yeah, we learned something today.
1:24:58 David Imel? Okay. What about the second trivia question?
1:25:00 Speaker 01 That was it.
1:25:01 David Imel? Oh, right. That was.
1:25:02 Speaker 01 That was it.
1:25:04 David Imel? Cause the phone.
1:25:04 Speaker 01 It's, it's great. Yeah.
1:25:06 David Imel? With the phone thing, did we all get it or did just?
1:25:08 Speaker 01 We all got it.
1:25:12 Speaker 01 That's been it. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening.
1:25:15 David Imel? South by.
1:25:16 Speaker 01 See you at South by. If we're not at South by, see you at the next regularly scheduled episode.
1:25:20 David Imel? If we're not at South by?
1:25:21 Speaker 01 No, if they're not.
1:25:22 David Imel? No, we're at South by.
1:25:23 Andrew Manganelli? We are definitely there.
1:25:24 Speaker 01 If they're not, sorry, I wasn't clear. If you're not at South by, you, the listener, uh, well, we'll catch you on the feed. But see you at the next episode. Catch you later. Peace.
1:25:33 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, former spruce by Adam Alina and Ellis River, and we're part of the Fox Media Box, and we're an intro music is great by Vansil. Yeah, I don't, I don't think I can name all the.
1:25:40 Andrew Manganelli? Still true.
1:25:56 David Imel? Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars, two, seven Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, seven Neptune. Pluto was the furthest planet from the sun.
1:26:04 Andrew Manganelli? Gods.
1:26:05 David Imel? But then it got demoted from Mars to Earth.
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