I Refuse to Share my Location, AITA?

A few months ago, MKBHD producer Harper Makowsky had an idea. What if we did a bonus episode using the "Am I the A$$hole" format from the popular subreddit and made it all about tech? So here we are! Marques, Andrew, and David discuss everything from sharing your location with your partner to using mechanical keyboards. We'll be back later this week with your regularly scheduled episode. P. S - This is our first explicit episode so if you usually listen with children nearby you have been warned! Check out the amazing subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/ Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Music provided by: Epidemic Sound Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast The Studio: https://www.youtube.com/@UCG7J20LhUeLl6y_Emi7OJrA Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli Eric: https://instagram/com/@eric.p.v Rich: https://www.instagram.com/richontrack Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Andrew Manganelli?

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• 1:18Speaker 01

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• 1:25Speaker 01

  Yo, what's up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  I'm Andrew.

• 1:31Andrew Manganelli?

  And I'm David.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  And don't adjust your calendars. It's not actually Friday. This is a bonus episode of the Waveform Podcast. That's how you know it's not Friday, is because you hear that "not a regularly scheduled episode" disclaimer. But this is a fun one. We've got a bit of a, not a game, but a fun thing we want to try. And there's too much going on in the regular episodes, so we're just going to do this as a bonus. So, take it away, Ellis.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, so before we get into it, we got to drop a quick disclaimer, because normally, week in, week out, the Waveform production team works hard to make sure this is a family-friendly show with no curses. However, due to the nature of this game, A-I-T-H, we will be saying the word... Asshole a lot. So get ready. This is the first uncensored episode of the waveform podcast. All serious, maybe. I don't know.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Can I test that right now? No, just kidding. I'm not gonna test that.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  We may end up bleeping everywhere that's not ass. Anyway, moral of the story is if you have a child, listen to the music. If you have a child in the car, if you have a child in the room, if you have a child anywhere in the vicinity of this playing, plug their ears, cuz it's about to get wild.

• 2:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm now wondering if you should bleep that first one cuz you said the word before you said, tell your child to close their ears.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Maybe you should just spell it out. From this point forward.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  From this point forward.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  No kids.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  No kids.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. I do get emails sometimes about like, I was listening with my kids. I'm like, oh, good to know.

• 3:01Andrew Manganelli?

  We warned you.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Good to know.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  We warned you.

• 3:03David Imel?

  When I came out of the womb, I said, from this point forward, no kids.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 3:07David Imel?

  And so I still don't have kids.

• 3:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Staying true to your word.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Could change. Could change. So what's the segment?

• 3:13Speaker 02

  For those unfamiliar, uh, am I the asshole is something that I would assume was started on Reddit. Maybe it was started on 4chan or something else, but essentially it's this acronym where you say, am I the asshole if, and then you tell a story and then everyone on Reddit goes, hey, you should probably get a divorce.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Well, you did laugh when I made that joke earlier today.

• 3:34David Imel?

  Holy [bleep].

• 3:39Speaker 02

  That joke was brought to you by David and Mel.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  God damn it. I tweeted that six years ago, dude. Shit. Alright.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, the way we're gonna do this is we're just gonna, Adam and I are gonna throw am I the assholes at our hosts.

• 3:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Tech-related ones.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  They need it to be tech-related?

• 3:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, I'm just making the audience understand.

• 3:59David Imel?

  As long as you say the word tech once, we're still a tech podcast.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's true. Nintendo Switch 2?

• 4:04David Imel?

  Yeah, the Switch 2.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  We're locked in.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  Some of these will be pulled directly from Reddit. Some of these will be just influenced or inspired by Reddit posts we saw. And some of them were made up by Adam and I, and some of them were made up by other coworkers. And for the ones that were made up by other coworkers, I will probably end up asking you, which one of your coworkers do you think said it? It will not be for points. This is completely exhibition.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  I'm gonna try really hard, though.

• 4:29Andrew Manganelli?

  I will win this.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  This first one, I think many people have thoughts on. It comes directly from me and my own lived experience. Am I Ellis Robin, the asshole, for still using Twitter instead of Blue Sky?

• 4:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so.

• 4:49Speaker 02

  Why not?

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Just by sheer numbers. I mean, unless you're calling everyone who still uses Twitter.

• 4:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, interesting.

• 4:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I'm just kidding.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  I mean, I would like a good justification for it, but I would say that Twitter is still the biggest text-only social media platform.

• 5:09Andrew Manganelli?

  It's funny because Twitter would probably hate that you call them a text-only social media platform because they're really trying to be video and paying for everything.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're trying to be everything, but it's like, I guess in the, in the different, like, zones of the social media universe, I feel like there's Twitter, Threads, Blue Sky, all the other text-first.

• 5:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I think you're saying that as proof how nostalgic you still are for Twitter.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  Really?

• 5:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Like old Twitter.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  I mean, that's, that's what it originally was, is just like 140-character SMS text only.

• 5:37Andrew Manganelli?

  I miss the old Twitter.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was, that was pretty original. No, Blue Sky, if it's, if you have to be on Blue Sky to not be an asshole, then I guess that's the criteria.

• 5:46Andrew Manganelli?

  I want David's responses.

• 5:48David Imel?

  There are plenty of assholes on Blue Sky, dude.

• 5:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 5:50David Imel?

  I think the, the real answer is that there's, there's just no good social media anymore.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Well.

• 5:55David Imel?

  All of it's bad now.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 5:58David Imel?

  I don't know. It's hard to, it's hard to be anywhere, post anywhere without, like, if I go on Twitter because there are links that we send through Slack and whatever, and there's like news updates and stuff, so I have to read that and I have to read the comments and all this stuff. And like, man, when they say that that place has turned into like a Nazi porn bar, that's what a lot of it is. And sometimes I'll watch it, I'll like click on a video on Twitter and it auto plays the next one and it's just straight porn.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  So here's what I'll say about Twitter.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  Why not gay porn?

• 6:28David Imel?

  This is really the first uncensored episode. Here's what I'll say about Twitter. I mean, I've kept using, I still use Twitter, uh, threads. I don't really, we post on Facebook, but I don't really use it very much. But Twitter is still the best and worst at some things. It's still the best at current events happenings right now. When, when the Super Bowl is happening, when All-Star Weekend was happening, when the Blizzard was happening, it's like, that was the what's happening place.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Threads is trying to be that.

• 6:59David Imel?

  It's not.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  It's trying. It's not there yet, but that's what I, that's what Twitter's still the best at. And it is also the worst at, like, all the worst people are, like, if it's the biggest place.

• 7:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Like, there's assholes everywhere, but all the worst people are, are also on Twitter. So it's like, the easiest for it to be terrible.

• 7:17David Imel?

  There's a lot of, like, Karens on Threads, though, because they're all from Facebook. That's the thing. They, like, unloaded a lot of people from Facebook. Yeah, it's hard. Threads is, everyone has too individualized of an algorithm. Like, everyone's experience on Threads is completely different. The thing that was so amazing about Twitter in the heyday and still does persist in a way on there is that there is a monoculture conversation going on, where people are all talking about the same thing when, like, when the open cloth stuff was happening. Oh, you, you seem to see that at the very tail end somehow.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  The open cloth stuff? Yeah.

• 7:49David Imel?

  It was like my entire timeline for like a week.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:52David Imel?

  So, there, there is more of a mono conversation, and I do miss that aspect of a social media platform.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think, I think Twitter, like, good tweets have this, this radioactive and succinct quality. That Blue Sky post just, I haven't found.

• 8:12David Imel?

  There are funny people on Blue Sky.

• 8:13Speaker 02

  There are. Can I read you a tweet that I saw this morning that is still in my brain?

• 8:18David Imel?

  Is it a tweet or a skeet?

• 8:18Speaker 02

  It's a tweet.

• 8:19David Imel?

  Okay.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  It's from at Rich Decibels. SF Guy Eating A Delicious Blueberry, colon. In 18 months, everything will be blueberries. Like, that's good. That's not on Blue Sky.

• 8:32David Imel?

  Twitter is just San Francisco as well. That's the other thing. Everyone that posts on Twitter thinks that the entire world is San Francisco.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  I do think we are all in tech Twitter, and so that is the specific, you know, monoculture we see. I think if you're not in the tech world, your Twitter probably looks different than ours.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  Unfortunately, tech Twitter is probably way too close to a lot of other Twitters that are really sad, and that's, I don't think you're an asshole for using Twitter.

• 8:57Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm just way happier not using Twitter. It's like every time I go on it, because like David said, we're trying to figure out what to like, talk about on the pod. I'm 10 minutes in, I'm just like, I'm so bummed out right now. And there was maybe one funny tweet like that in there in the process of me getting really bummed.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Damn. Well, it seems like we have two, yes, you are the asshole. One, no, I'm not the asshole.

• 9:21Andrew Manganelli?

  You'd be a happier asshole without it.

• 9:23Speaker 02

  Meaning I am the asshole.

• 9:25David Imel?

  Yeah, I do wish Blue Sky had that juice, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

• 9:30Andrew Manganelli?

  We're all just, is this the only thing Marquez is nostalgic over?

• 9:35David Imel?

  Old Twitter? No, backyard baseball. Backyard baseball for sure.

• 9:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Marquez is like, I will negate everything I've ever said in my life for backyard baseball.

• 9:46David Imel?

  I was nostalgic for a while, but backyard baseball is worth it.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  All right, here's another sticky one.

• 9:51David Imel?

  Sure.

• 9:53Speaker 02

  Am I the asshole for switching to Android in an iOS family or friend group? And I feel like those are two separate answers.

• 10:03David Imel?

  No.

• 10:04Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  Depends on, okay, depends, depends.

• 10:09David Imel?

  Everyone should be using third-party messaging platforms anyway.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  But they're not.

• 10:14David Imel?

  Well, actually, the perfect, in a perfect world, RCS would actually work.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:18David Imel?

  I texted David Pierce this morning, who recently switched to an Android phone, and none of them got delivered, and it said not delivered, and it said RCS next to it.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  Cause iPhone was still swiping those messages.

• 10:29David Imel?

  And then I messaged him on Signal and I said, hey, did you get any of that? And he said, no. And I said, when did you switch to your Android phone? He said, a week ago. So the fact that it still hasn't fixed itself, like, this is the problem. And it just keeps bringing you back. But I would say, absolutely not. Freedom.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  So the reason I say it depends is if your family has a family group chat in like, if they like actively depend on it and use features from it, like FaceTimes or like iMessage stuff all the time, then that would feel worse. You know what I mean? Like, I could still join a FaceTime from my Android phone, but breaking up, you know, the family.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  And especially now with Apple, the Apple One family plans.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  Friends do not share iCloud storage, but families often do now.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  But then I guess you'd also be freeing up iCloud storage for your.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, you'd be on your own Google Photos life.

• 11:28David Imel?

  Like, I have an iCloud family plan with people who are just my friends. Yeah, but don't tell the world about that. Yeah, I guess.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  I don't know, we're still, we're still siblings on YouTube TV or Premium or whatever.

• 11:40David Imel?

  I would say that the analogy that I would make is Shell creating the whole carbon footprint thing to make individuals feel bad about their carbon footprint, whereas Apple is creating the problem to make individuals feel bad about switching to Android.

• 11:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Bars.

• 11:55David Imel?

  So it's Apple's fault. Apple's the asshole, not anyone who changes.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  That's actually, that's a great take. Apple is the asshole. I like that take.

• 12:02Andrew Manganelli?

  I've just never encountered an issue with this ever. Maybe because I've always just been on Android. Maybe because I have a bunch of family who's on Android. I've just never had a person text me and be like, why, why are you on Android?

• 12:14David Imel?

  I could do you one better.

• 12:15Andrew Manganelli?

  A friend never once.

• 12:17David Imel?

  It's a one-way door.

• 12:18Andrew Manganelli?

  And maybe they're saying it behind my back and they're super nice to me, but I just have such a hard time believing there's all this bullying going on.

• 12:25Speaker 01

  If you like switch to an iPhone, you'll see like this whole world of group chats that you were never in, like.

• 12:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Whoa, it's like putting on the colorblind glasses for the first time and I'm like, oh my God, blue.

• 12:35David Imel?

  I switch all the time and at one point when I switched from iPhone to Android, Jess had to make a brand new group chat with me and my family and she titled it, Adam No Longer Has An iPhone.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Well.

• 12:46David Imel?

  The title of the group.

• 12:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Hold on, it was just if you switch once, you switch every three months, you're the asshole.

• 12:52David Imel?

  Yeah, but Adam keeps his, Adam keeps his iMessage off, though.

• 12:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 12:55David Imel?

  So the expectation is that he's never been on iMessage. Really.

• 12:58Andrew Manganelli?

  It's effort.

• 12:59David Imel?

  I know that there's all this data that says that iMessage is not the only thing that keeps people on there. I'm pretty sure it's iMessage.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  It's the main thing.

• 13:05David Imel?

  It's the only reason why I'm still on an iPhone, so.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  While we're talking about Apple stuff, am I the asshole? I pay for the iCloud storage for my family and?

• 13:16David Imel?

  No.

• 13:18Speaker 04

  We keep running out of space. Am I the asshole for telling my family to delete photos and videos, but I don't?

• 13:23Andrew Manganelli?

  No. You're paying for all of it.

• 13:25David Imel?

  If you're paying for all of it.

• 13:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I, you're too nice.

• 13:29David Imel?

  Yeah, if you're going out to a, if you're going out to a restaurant and you're paying, there's a certain amount that people are allowed to order before they're the asshole.

• 13:36Andrew Manganelli?

  That's such a good point. This is be like, I got dinner tonight, and then your mom's like, A5 Wagyu.

• 13:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Chill, mom. You're getting a roasted chicken at best, no drink.

• 13:48David Imel?

  I'm, you're not an asshole, you're a saint.

• 13:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're paying.

• 13:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 13:51Speaker 04

  Well, this hypothetical, but thank you.

• 13:53Andrew Manganelli?

  It is awkward, it's an awkward conversation to have, though.

• 13:55David Imel?

  It is.

• 13:56Andrew Manganelli?

  That's, or like, can everyone toss me a couple bucks for this thing none of you even really knows is a real thing? Because photos are just getting saved to it now.

• 14:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you are in that specific situation, you have every right to ask the people participating to chip in so that they don't have to delete stuff. But if they're not gonna chip in and you're the one paying, you're not the asshole. You tell them to delete some stuff.

• 14:18David Imel?

  Hundred percent.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 14:19David Imel?

  Hundred percent.

• 14:20Speaker 04

  Okay, nice, not the asshole. This one's inspired by a Reddit post. Am I the asshole for bringing my Xbox on my honeymoon?

• 14:28David Imel?

  Divorce.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  So dependent on the person.

• 14:31Speaker 02

  I don't wanna get into the specifics of this person's relationship that they followed in the post, so just take this as abstract as you can.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  This is a person that would bring their Xbox on their honeymoon.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  They wrote, they wrote so much stuff.

• 14:43Andrew Manganelli?

  What game were they playing?

• 14:47David Imel?

  I also, if you're like, if you're in ga, if you're married to this guy, shouldn't you know how much he likes playing? I don't, I don't know.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  Wait, this is so dumb.

• 14:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I wanna, I want to try. I wanna try and turn this into, how do we make it okay to bring the Xbox on the honeymoon?

• 15:03Speaker 01

  If you have, uh, boundaries on when you're allowed. I assume there's some issue that they will have with the amount of time that'll be spent playing the Xbox versus doing other honeymoon.

• 15:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, just bring your Steam Deck, man. It's way easier.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  The portable Xbox to ROG Ally. You gotta get it. Get one of those things.

• 15:21Andrew Manganelli?

  The ROG Ally.

• 15:23David Imel?

  ROG Xbox Ally X.

• 15:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Is it like, does he not sleep that much? And maybe he's like, oh, I want to play some Xbox while she sleeps a full eight hours and relaxes and I'm a four hour sleeper.

• 15:36Speaker 04

  Sounds like you're speaking from experience here.

• 15:38Andrew Manganelli?

  No, dude, no. I don't think my honeymoon had a TV in the hotel.

• 15:44David Imel?

  I do play Dota with a guy in Egypt who just had a kid and he plays with me when his wife goes to bed.

• 15:49Andrew Manganelli?

  That's fine. But did anyone see the clip of the guy who brought his Xbox to like the labor and delivery room? And he's like getting handed the baby and he like takes his headset off.

• 15:58Speaker 04

  No.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  That's not a parody.

• 16:01Andrew Manganelli?

  It has to be parody. It has to be parody, right?

• 16:03Speaker 04

  Otherwise, that's an addiction.

• 16:05Andrew Manganelli?

  That's crazy. I don't know. How long's your honeymoon? How long's the honeymoon? Some people go on really long honeymoon.

• 16:11David Imel?

  That's true, but.

• 16:12Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm trying here because it's so obviously the asshole. I'm trying to give it.

• 16:15David Imel?

  What if he has like a weekly meetup with like his brothers?

• 16:18Speaker 01

  He's got a raid.

• 16:19Andrew Manganelli?

  It's your honeymoon.

• 16:20David Imel?

  He's got raids. You're playing WoW.

• 16:22Andrew Manganelli?

  That?

• 16:22David Imel?

  What if he's playing WoW and he's got a raids? And he's the core.

• 16:25Andrew Manganelli?

  He could be the guild leader. Oh, wait, it's Xbox.

• 16:31David Imel?

  Everyone changes their mind.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  I think you gotta be able to find a way to.

• 16:35David Imel?

  Is there, how about communication? Let's start there.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  If you're, if you're marrying anyone other than [bleep] Princess Peach or Cortana, you don't need, you don't need video games on your honeymoon.

• 16:46David Imel?

  I think she.

• 16:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Unless you're both playing, which then you would need to bring two Xbox.

• 16:49David Imel?

  Oh, yeah. Bring a controller. Bring an extra controller.

• 16:51Andrew Manganelli?

  How many clothes are you leaving behind to pack that? That's a lot like.

• 16:57David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 16:57Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a lot of.

• 16:58David Imel?

  It's the ROG, Asus ROG Xbox Ally X.

• 17:00Speaker 01

  All the Xboxes are pretty big.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  Now, the, the S, the series S.

• 17:05David Imel?

  Xbox series S is small.

• 17:06Andrew Manganelli?

  But that controller, power cables, audio, video cables, headset. Yeah.

• 17:11David Imel?

  Power adapter.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  There's a few exceptions, but. You're the asshole. Probably not the coolest move to bring.

• 17:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I wouldn't.

• 17:18David Imel?

  What if she loves playing the game with you?

• 17:20Speaker 02

  That's different.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  I don't think this would be in Reddit if that was clear.

• 17:24David Imel?

  Yeah, I guess so.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:26Andrew Manganelli?

  No, PlayStation. Totally cool.

• 17:29David Imel?

  Also, I just don't think people on the internet should just be speculating about each other's relationships.

• 17:34Speaker 02

  This one is, this one is straight from Reddit. And I'm gonna read this one all the way through because this one is, "Am I the asshole for connecting to the AirPod after that my niece swallowed to see if it would play in her stomach? When my three-year-old niece swallowed my sister's left AirPod, everyone started worrying right away. I was trying to lighten the situation, so I connected the AirPod to my phone and put my ear on her stomach to check if I could hear it. Surprisingly, I actually did hear a little sound coming from inside her, which made the moment a bit funny to me.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  The people around us did not find it amusing. They all looked at me like I was, I wasn't taking things seriously at all."

• 18:22David Imel?

  I, I, I mean- I don't think you should have done that, yeah.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  No, that's really funny.

• 18:28David Imel?

  Like, I get the invasive thought, the intrusive thought. I get that completely, but, but the problem was already that she swallowed a giant piece of plastic.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  With a battery in it.

• 18:37David Imel?

  With a battery in it, and like, you just don't know what it's gonna do if you play music through it while someone has it in their stomach, especially a young-

• 18:43Andrew Manganelli?

  You also, if you're just trying to lighten the mood for the kid who's potentially scared, you can just pretend you heard music. You can be like, "Oh, let me see if there's music playing," and just, you don't have to go through the whole process-

• 18:55Speaker 01

  Counterpoint.

• 18:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Connecting to-

• 18:56David Imel?

  I understand the invasive thought, though, I do.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Counterpoint.

• 19:00David Imel?

  Okay.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  This was a purely utility-based decision. Someone has to have it in their fine mind. Just in case you can't find it.

• 19:08Andrew Manganelli?

  What it's.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  It's already it's the guy's AirPod already is connecting.

• 19:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, it's his girlfriend or wife's AirPod.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter. What do you what do you mean?

• 19:17Speaker 01

  They know she swallowed it or they think she swallowed it?

• 19:19Speaker 02

  It seems like the.

• 19:20Andrew Manganelli?

  They know she's.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  It seems like they.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Was this to confirm that she swallowed it or they're like she definitely.

• 19:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I think they already. They were already worried.

• 19:26Speaker 02

  Like, you know, he was like, you know, it'd be really funny.

• 19:28Andrew Manganelli?

  While all of them are like, what should we do? He was like, I should play music on it.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  I thought it was like, I think she swallowed the AirPod and they were like, oh, my God, did she swallow the AirPod? And he connected to it and it was.

• 19:38Andrew Manganelli?

  That's fair.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it's definitely there. Or if it was like, did they know already?

• 19:44Speaker 02

  Have you seen that?

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Maybe it's not utility anymore.

• 19:46Speaker 02

  Have you seen, do you see, I see that like TikTok Instagram reel short form video thing? That was like the music for like funk for frogs with all the like. Nope.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  Okay, someone knows what I'm talking about and they know that that's the only appropriate song to play in someone's stomach.

• 20:00Speaker 01

  God. I've seen.

• 20:02Andrew Manganelli?

  It just sounds like David Blaine's stomach.

• 20:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I I feel like if he's has the time to do all of that, they couldn't have all been that worried of the situation or they would have already been driving her to the hospital, no?

• 20:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know how how worried you have to be about.

• 20:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Are they they're probably all searching what to do.

• 20:23Speaker 04

  Well, it's like, should we wait for it to come out or do we have to take her?

• 20:27Andrew Manganelli?

  If Wayne swallows an AirPod, I'm going to the hospital.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  This is a three year old though, so I don't know.

• 20:32Andrew Manganelli?

  And listen, I understand in America that might automatically be a bill that's literally like terrifying. So maybe that's different.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  I would go to urgent care and get an opinion.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  Okay, that'll be like 5,000.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  No, it wouldn't. Yeah.

• 20:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I'd probably let the situation. I would confirm everything's safe before I start screwing around like that.

• 20:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  How do you even confirm that?

• 20:56Andrew Manganelli?

  A doctor, a little, a doctor. I would wait till I.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  The doctor goes to the hospital.

• 21:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 21:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, okay. I think you meant like while they're there trying to figure it out, you would confirm and.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  And the doctor's like, are you sure she swallowed it? And he's like, yeah, listen, listen, listen. It's here? Yeah, that's definitely in there.

• 21:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Six.

• 21:16David Imel?

  Alright.

• 21:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Alright, so are we agreeing he's probably the asshole?

• 21:20David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:21Andrew Manganelli?

  At first. It was a poor move.

• 21:22David Imel?

  I, I understand the intrusive thought, I do.

• 21:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Just in poor taste.

• 21:26David Imel?

  If it was like a fake scenario with like a fake daughter, then yeah, I'd do it. But if it was a real daughter, no. They're not gonna be a good, good guy.

• 21:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Alright, this one comes from someone in the studio. You guys can guess who after this. Rich.

• 21:38David Imel?

  Mariah.

• 21:40Andrew Manganelli?

  After this. Am I the asshole for correcting someone who said their phone has 256 gigs of RAM?

• 21:48David Imel?

  Um, I would, no, I would.

• 21:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, this seems targeted.

• 21:51David Imel?

  I'd do it instantaneously.

• 21:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Honestly, in this studio.

• 21:55David Imel?

  My storage kinda has RAM though.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  If the context, okay, first the am I an asshole part? Not really. It's probably harmless that the person doesn't know the difference between storage and RAM. As long as you didn't say it like an asshole.

• 22:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, that's a really.

• 22:11David Imel?

  Just kind of a well-actually person, which nobody really likes.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  I think it's probably fine.

• 22:16Andrew Manganelli?

  People probably don't understand that everyone who works here isn't like a mega phone nerd. Like, there are a lot of talented people here who don't do what, yeah, like.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  They said RAM, they were right there, they were so close.

• 22:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I think in us telling each other when a mistake like that happens is beneficial, so we don't. I mean, we're a company that talks about tech a lot, so yeah, say nicely. I think everyone in here knows how to say things nicely.

• 22:40David Imel?

  Say, well, technically it is like swap memory.

• 22:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, what if it wasn't here? What if it was just like out and about in life? Oh.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  And like some random person was like, yeah, my phone, I think it has 256 gigs of RAM. And you were like, memory.

• 22:53David Imel?

  I would just be like, storage.

• 22:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm the asshole because I don't care enough to correct them.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 22:59Speaker 02

  Here's, here's the follow-up is, like, I think you're right, it's like understandable, but what if someone uses the word memory when they mean storage?

• 23:09Speaker 01

  You know, there is, I was thinking about that. I think, I don't think this computer exists, but I think there at some point was a Mac Studio or something where you could genuinely get either 256 gigs of storage or 256 gigs of RAM.

• 23:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  Right? Isn't the Mac Studio, you can get like-

• 23:27David Imel?

  I think the minimum storage there-

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Half a terabyte maybe?

• 23:29David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  And can you also get half a terabyte of memory?

• 23:32Andrew Manganelli?

  But it's not-

• 23:33Speaker 01

  So you could genuinely-

• 23:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Either or, right?

• 23:34David Imel?

  Well, you could-

• 23:35Speaker 01

  You could get both.

• 23:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, you could get both.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  But it's like, you could say it to the person and they could be like, "Are you sure you mean memory or storage?" And that is the one computer where it actually matters.

• 23:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Otherwise, it kind of doesn't usually matter.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  You would know that.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know. It's kind of a random, one-off situation.

• 23:51Andrew Manganelli?

  The whole thing of like, calling storage memory irks me so much, but I know that's because I'm a turd. And like, I should not go correcting people like that. But there have been, I've seen Walmart, uh, like plaques in front of laptops that say like, "256 gigs of memory." And it's like, that's just wrong.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  So I guess it's a reasonable mistake to make, it's fine.

• 24:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm nev- I'm never correcting someone in public.

• 24:13David Imel?

  Wasn't there like a colloquial tech spec on phones that everyone used to call some spec and then it wasn't technically correct, but everyone would get upset?

• 24:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that the X mark?

• 24:24David Imel?

  No. It was like, there was some spec that we called it-

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Like a one-inch sensor or something?

• 24:31David Imel?

  Hmm.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  How it's not really one-inch?

• 24:33David Imel?

  It wasn't that. It was like, yeah, maybe we should just cut this. I don't remember what it is, but I just remember someone getting mad at me in the Android Authority comments being like, "It's not that." And I was like, "Yeah, but everyone calls it that."

• 24:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was gonna say that. That's the other thing is, are online people correcting us assholes? Not really, because you expect us to get it right and it's important. But if it's just a random person out there, not that important.

• 24:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I-

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, who in the off- someone in the office corrected someone outside of the office about-

• 25:03Speaker 04

  This came from someone in the office.

• 25:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 25:05Speaker 04

  They don't specify who they corrected or anything like that. It's just, this wasn't a thing that happened and-

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Hypothetical.

• 25:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, hypothetically.

• 25:11David Imel?

  Yeah, I just kind of think it makes you a "well, actually" kind of person.

• 25:14Andrew Manganelli?

  The best kind of person.

• 25:15David Imel?

  Like, that person probably doesn't even know what RAM is.

• 25:18Speaker 04

  Well, actually, they do know what RAM is.

• 25:20David Imel?

  Who?

• 25:20Speaker 04

  No, I'm joking.

• 25:21David Imel?

  Oh.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  It was Miles.

• 25:24David Imel?

  Miles doesn't know what RAM is.

• 25:26David Imel?

  He's a, he has a Nexus 6P.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  Doesn't need RAM.

• 25:32David Imel?

  Where we're going, we don't need RAM. Uh, I'm gonna say, kinda.

• 25:37Speaker 04

  Kind of?

• 25:38David Imel?

  Yeah, kinda.

• 25:39Andrew Manganelli?

  For saying it?

• 25:40David Imel?

  For just...

• 25:41Andrew Manganelli?

  For correcting?

• 25:42David Imel?

  For being the "well, actually" guy that nobody wants to be around.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  What if they're telling you, like, "I'm about to go buy this thing"?

• 25:48David Imel?

  Then I would correct them.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Then I would make sure they know.

• 25:50Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a good point.

• 25:50David Imel?

  This is like when my sister, like, texted me that she bought a Mac Mini, and I was like, "Oh, you know you can buy the higher storage one for the same price for the next week, right? You should return it and bring it back." She's like, "No, I'm good." I was like, "What?"

• 26:06David Imel?

  Oh, no. She's like, "What am I gonna use the storage for?" She's, I was like, "It doesn't matter, I don't know." She's like, "I just go on websites." And I was like, "Oh, my god."

• 26:15Speaker 01

  I guess she's fine. I guess she's fine. This is also funny, because this gets kind of close to my "am I an asshole?", but not exactly.

• 26:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, that's a great segue.

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Should I just do mine?

• 26:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, do yours.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Alright, I brought one.

• 26:26David Imel?

  Alright.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  "Am I an asshole? Am I the asshole?" Tech Edition.

• 26:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 26:30David Imel?

  Okay.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  So you know how, when people are out and like, hanging around, socializing, just randomly having conversations?

• 26:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Outside.

• 26:36David Imel?

  Never done that.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Outside, sometimes, yeah. Uh, they'll touch grass, and they'll be like, "Hey, I wonder, like, why is the grass like this?" Or like, "You ever wonder this random thing?", and they'll just bring up a random fact, like, "You ever know?" And then that will be like, the fodder of the conversation for like, five minutes?

• 26:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  Every single time.

• 26:55David Imel?

  You just look at it?

• 26:55Speaker 01

  I take out my phone. And I look up the answer.

• 26:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Because I feel like our conversation should be about the answer, instead of just kind of wandering around. And I always wonder, like, "Am I the asshole for that?", like...

• 27:10Speaker 04

  No, no, no.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  "I know you want to just have a conversation, this is meaningless." "You don't care what the answer is, but wouldn't it be better if we had..."

• 27:16David Imel?

  I hear you.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  This isn't Joe Rogan, we can get straight to the point.

• 27:19David Imel?

  No, I, I hear you.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  You know?

• 27:21David Imel?

  I literally have had friends be like, "We don't need to look it up, we, we just need to bathe in the magic of, of wondering."

• 27:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it depends on the conversation.

• 27:30David Imel?

  But we have unlimited information.

• 27:32Andrew Manganelli?

  We live in 2026.

• 27:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 27:35Andrew Manganelli?

  We can just say it into the air, and the answer will appear.

• 27:38David Imel?

  I understand the value of like, having this like, maybe, maybe conversation, and maybe you can give that like, two minutes...

• 27:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I was gonna say, you should personally set a timer.

• 27:46David Imel?

  Or if you just go, "What does everyone think it is?"

• 27:50Speaker 01

  That's actually usually how it goes. Everyone will go like, man, how tall do you think that giraffe is? Is that like tall for a giraffe? And before you've even finished thinking about it, I've Googled the average height of a giraffe. Cause what good is the rest of our conversation if there's no basis in reality?

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Oh man, dude.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  You know? Am I? You can tell me if I'm the asshole. I want to know.

• 28:13David Imel?

  I can't, I don't want to say you asshole because I do the exact same thing. But, but, but I, it is kind of an asshole.

• 28:22Speaker 04

  We can both be assholes.

• 28:23David Imel?

  You.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  That's such a good one.

• 28:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Describe it is like.

• 28:29David Imel?

  What is the value in continuing to talk?

• 28:33Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm just imagining Marquez is like, oh no, that's average for giraffe. And then everyone just sits there quiet and looks at each other. He's like, yeah, we all know.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  This is exactly how the Suno CEO came up with that. People actually like making music. If you could just generate music, wouldn't you just do that?

• 28:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. Musicians famously hate making music.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think people just like having conversations and like speculating randomly.

• 28:56David Imel?

  Yes.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  But if there's like a real answer, I just, I don't think it detracts from the conversation. We could just like pivot the conversation a little.

• 29:04David Imel?

  You can just stand in the corner with the knowledge and let them kind of do it.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  I try sometimes. I try.

• 29:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm imagining Marquez at bar trivia. I just feel like, how is anyone getting this wrong? I can type this so easy.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  I wouldn't do this at bar trivia.

• 29:20Speaker 02

  I, I do like the idea of Marquez looking up the answer and then just keeping it to himself.

• 29:28David Imel?

  They don't know.

• 29:28Speaker 02

  They don't know. I already know.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  I recently did that and I waited till the end of the conversation and then I just spit out the answer and nobody, nobody cared. It wasn't valuable.

• 29:37David Imel?

  Honestly, Marquez, I would, that makes you the asshole.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  Just being like. In case anyone's wondering.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  I let you peasants run in your, in your frivolous little circle.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:47David Imel?

  You know how they say that the argument's never about the dishes? The conversation's never about the answer.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  That's exactly right.

• 29:53David Imel?

  It's just about, it's about the connection.

• 29:55Speaker 04

  It just depends also, like, if you're in the middle of a conversation about, I don't know, philosophy or something, and then someone's trying to quote this one philosopher, but they can't quite remember the name, but that's not like important to the point. I think it makes you the asshole to really quickly Google that philosopher and be like, "Well, actually, to your point, it was this person, blah, blah, blah," but I, but continue.

• 30:14David Imel?

  Right.

• 30:15Speaker 04

  You know, like, that, yeah, it's about the broader conversation. But if it's just like, "Who was that guy that said this thing?" Then, yeah, just [BLEEP].

• 30:21Speaker 01

  It'll usually be a conversation where the conversation is guessing about a fact. Like, how far away do you think that mountain is? It looks like it's so far away, and I'm already on Google Maps.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  It's not, like, we were gonna have the conversation of being like, "Well, it's super tall," but like, usually buildings look really tall when they're, like, far away, but when, it looks like the size of the entire state building. Like, they were gonna have this whole conversation, and I sort of just...

• 30:51Andrew Manganelli?

  We could skip the whole talking business, we could just move on.

• 30:55David Imel?

  Double-tapped on the right side of the screen, yeah, I just fast-forwarded.

• 30:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like Marquez is arguing for us to call him an asshole, right?

• 31:02David Imel?

  I like this one, because it's so nuanced.

• 31:04Andrew Manganelli?

  This is so good.

• 31:04David Imel?

  The problem is, I do this too, so if you guys decide that it's an asshole thing...

• 31:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I think you're aware enough that makes you not the asshole.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  I just can't stop.

• 31:12Andrew Manganelli?

  It sounds like, it's, you're gonna search no matter what, you wanna know the answer. It sounds like you are aware enough in the conversations to know when to bring it up, which in itself is being polite enough for everybody.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah.

• 31:27Andrew Manganelli?

  But now, anytime we're talking, if I see Marquez just looking like he's gonna like, do you know the meme where the guy's like veins popping out of his head? Like, that's Marquez with the answer.

• 31:37David Imel?

  I have an extension of this that I realize that I'm kind of an asshole for doing, but I want your guys' opinion.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 31:43David Imel?

  Okay, so, it's when, like, one of my friends says something, and I just don't think it's true, and I immediately look it up. And I'm not like, I do this all the time, I'm like, "Hmm, I don't really think that's..."

• 31:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I literally did this to you on the podcast this morning. When you said I was been using Final Cut 7.

• 32:02Speaker 04

  That's different, because we're trying to be factual.

• 32:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Sure, that was for trivia, but...

• 32:06David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, we're not...

• 32:07Andrew Manganelli?

  But just proof that...

• 32:08David Imel?

  You misinformation.

• 32:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I just did it.

• 32:09David Imel?

  No, and so, like, I've had, they will mock me now. Every time I'm like, every time I'm like, they're like, "Hmm, I don't think that's quite right."

• 32:19Speaker 02

  It's complicated.

• 32:21Andrew Manganelli?

  You gotta like bring it up tactfully, you know?

• 32:24David Imel?

  I'm like, I'm sorry.

• 32:25Andrew Manganelli?

  It's, you know, but if you don't do it in that moment, then when it's eating away at you later, it's way worse to call them at 9pm and be like, "You were wrong about this," and just hang the phone up.

• 32:34David Imel?

  It's worse.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  It's like, here's, here's my version of this is like, when someone you know posts something on social media that you know is factually inaccurate, or worse, miss slash disinformation.

• 32:48David Imel?

  I would text them and say, "This is wrong."

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Because someone I know did that. And I, with, they posted something on their story that was like so obviously like that person did not say that. And I wasn't like.

• 33:00Andrew Manganelli?

  I haven't posted it in a while, so I think I'm okay.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. It wasn't anyone in this room.

• 33:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  But it was someone who works here.

• 33:09Andrew Manganelli?

  On social media, if I like really liked them and know it was probably by accident, I'll throw a message. If I know it's probably misinformation, I probably just unfriend them. Cause I'm so tired of that on social media at this point.

• 33:21David Imel?

  I would always at least bring it up.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  I did not, so I guess, I guess that makes, I thought I was not being the asshole by not bringing it up. But it sounds like I was the asshole.

• 33:29Andrew Manganelli?

  That sounds like there's so much nuance to it.

• 33:31David Imel?

  Yeah, it depends on the person.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:34David Imel?

  Yeah. And the relationship with the person, yeah. It's, do you think that the misquote was like, you don't think it was intentional?

• 33:41Speaker 02

  I know it wasn't intentional because the commentary about the quote was like, "Can you believe this person said this?" To which I was like, "No."

• 33:48David Imel?

  They did it.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  I cannot believe that this was, and then.

• 33:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:53David Imel?

  Yeah, you know, I'd bring it up to them.

• 33:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I think facts are important. So, you know, that's why I tend to Google things way too soon.

• 33:59David Imel?

  Stayed in the corner, let people talk.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  Well, I think on that note, it begs the question, "Am I the asshole for taking us to a quick ad break and letting everyone know that we'll be right back?"

• 34:11David Imel?

  Uh, I'm gonna have to look that up.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 34:14David Imel?

  Nah.

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• 36:49Speaker 04

  Alright, well, we're back.

• 36:53Speaker 04

  Welcome back to, alright, I'm not doing that voice. This one comes from Blank in the studio, so you guys have to guess who it is, but I just find it funny. "Am I the asshole for saying 'nice to e-meet you'?"

• 37:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Jono.

• 37:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think Jono would do that.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  No?

• 37:09David Imel?

  That's probably Eric. I thought that was Eric.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Nice to e-meet you.

• 37:12Andrew Manganelli?

  That's my least favorite. This is rich.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  No, no, this person, sorry. This person is asking if they're the asshole for hating people.

• 37:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, no!

• 37:22Speaker 01

  No.

• 37:22David Imel?

  No, I hate everyone who says that.

• 37:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 37:24David Imel?

  If I see the email and it says that, I delete it immediately.

• 37:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't go that far, but I'm, it's immediate sour taste, like, as I, and I almost assume they do not care about the email at all.

• 37:35David Imel?

  Yeah, like, who are you, Vince Surf? Like, did you just receive the first email ever? I swear to God.

• 37:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that, do you guys see it differently as the opening email to you that says it? Or when someone gets added to an email where a conversation's been going on and the other person, like, feels kind of awkward coming into the conversation? They're like, "Oh, hey, nice to e-meet you."

• 37:55David Imel?

  Just say "me." I don't care.

• 37:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's just "me," I feel like is fine.

• 37:59David Imel?

  "Me," or just, like, be introduced.

• 38:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  I had, like, an in-person version of this recently. So, fun fact, when we went and shot the Rivian R2, we went up to California, me and Miles, and there was a couple of YouTubers there, Doug Demiro was there, went up and said, "Hey Doug, good to see you." He said, "Nice to meet you." I was like, "Oh, we haven't..."

• 38:15Andrew Manganelli?

  You guys have never met in real...

• 38:17Speaker 01

  And I, in that moment, realized we'd never met. And I, I, I do this to other people all the time, where I'll go, "Hi, good to meet you," and they'll go, "Good to see you again," and I'll go, "Shit."

• 38:26David Imel?

  Well, it's because good to see you again is the safest possible thing if you don't know if you've met them.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Exactly. So I've just erased "nice to meet you," and I never say "nice to meet you" ever to anyone. I just say, "Good to see you."

• 38:35David Imel?

  That's, that's a strong move.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  Because there's always a chance.

• 38:37David Imel?

  It's the power move.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So, "nice to e-meet you" is kind of weird.

• 38:41David Imel?

  I often say, "It's great to finally meet in real life."

• 38:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, or just "nice to finally meet you" is like, uh, we, like, "I'm surprised I haven't met you yet."

• 38:50Speaker 04

  What if we met already? And you don't remember?

• 38:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Then I'm an asshole.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  What if you already e-met them, but not, you know, not IRL meet?

• 38:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. I, there's obviously a difference, but you don't have to say "e-meet." That's my, I'm not mad if someone says it, but I'm not like...

• 39:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't like it.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:08David Imel?

  Farmerse-meet.com.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  I prefer saying, "Thank you for gracing my digital sanctum."

• 39:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Jesus. That's never mind. Say email. Please say email.

• 39:19David Imel?

  No, email is awful.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  Do you want to guess who is so pissed off by the phrase, nice to email you that they felt the need to?

• 39:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I would guess at that point it's Jono because he just has the most emails.

• 39:28Speaker 02

  It's not Jono and it's not Mariah. I don't think Mariah gets that pissed off about anything.

• 39:32David Imel?

  Nice to email you. I feel like almost everyone would hate that. Did Eric hate that?

• 39:39Andrew Manganelli?

  I could see Eric doing the like semi Seinfeld joke about it at lunch.

• 39:43David Imel?

  Is it Vin?

• 39:44Speaker 02

  It feels very obvious to me, but maybe it's because I know the answer. Nope.

• 39:47David Imel?

  Who gets emails?

• 39:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Harper hated that.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  Nope.

• 39:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow, who's left?

• 39:50David Imel?

  Michael? Nice to email you.

• 39:53Andrew Manganelli?

  I wish it was Marquez saying this one.

• 39:55Speaker 02

  Tim.

• 39:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Tim.

• 39:57David Imel?

  Tim, nice to email you.

• 39:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I could see that.

• 39:59David Imel?

  Tim and I get annoyed at the same thing.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  Everyone email Tim and just say, hi, nice to email you.

• 40:05David Imel?

  Tim at McVie.

• 40:05Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm gonna slack him that later.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  Here's another one from inside the house. That was a bad joke. That was so bad. Would I be the asshole for checking my phone while watching a movie at home with someone without getting a notification first?

• 40:22David Imel?

  Yeah. Okay, so.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  You're at home.

• 40:27David Imel?

  Yeah, you're at home. You're just checking just to see.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  You're just checking because phantom limbs.

• 40:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, wait, yeah. Describe checking. Describe checking.

• 40:33David Imel?

  Just like unlocking, locking?

• 40:35Speaker 02

  This person, this person they mentioned, you are not scrolling, but you are unlocking.

• 40:39David Imel?

  Yeah, you're just.

• 40:40Andrew Manganelli?

  You're unlocking, see no notifications, turn it off, put it face down again.

• 40:44David Imel?

  Sure. I don't think it makes you an asshole because it's like we've been accustomed.

• 40:49Andrew Manganelli?

  You're just a modern human.

• 40:50David Imel?

  Yeah. You're checking the extension of your body.

• 40:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Aren't all modern humans assholes?

• 40:55David Imel?

  We're just.

• 40:56Andrew Manganelli?

  You're just alive in 2026.

• 40:58David Imel?

  I mean, everyone like unlocks their phone, unlocks it, being like, what the heck am I doing all the time? So I don't think that that makes you an asshole.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  Not during a movie.

• 41:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I think the fact that during a movie, you put the phone down and went, am I an asshole? I think that's enough that you're not an asshole.

• 41:12David Imel?

  Looking up something.

• 41:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Awareness is key in a lot of these, it feels like.

• 41:16David Imel?

  I don't know, like just using an app separately from the movie, I think that's actually kind of an asshole.

• 41:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I think you're not the asshole, but I think if you're thinking about it, you've realized that like, man, I need to work on my phone behavior.

• 41:27Speaker 02

  I'm willing to die on this hill. I don't think you can pull your phone out even for one second, even for one frame of a movie, and still say you watched the movie. There's not a sing- if you-

• 41:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I think the movie should be better and I shouldn't want to pull my phone-

• 41:43Speaker 02

  If you're watching a movie-

• 41:44David Imel?

  There's no slow parts in movies?

• 41:46Speaker 02

  I'm not saying you can't like blink, no, but it's, dude, the amount of times I've been like, "Yo, I'm really excited to show you this movie." And someone pulls their phone out for two seconds and there's just, there's not a single two seconds that I would say like-

• 41:58David Imel?

  I'm crap.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, you could miss those two, you know, so that, nothing, man-

• 42:03David Imel?

  It's like when I'm having a conversation with someone and then they just start texting someone and I'm like, "Damn."

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Oh, I do that all the time.

• 42:08David Imel?

  I know.

• 42:09Andrew Manganelli?

  We're all cooked with these Orion glasses.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  "Oh yeah, I was totally watching this movie."

• 42:16David Imel?

  Yeah, well, if you tell someone to watch a movie, but they're wearing their Meta Orion smart glasses-

• 42:22Speaker 02

  Should we do that next? Cause that's, that's also, wait, real quick, so you are an asshole for pulling your phone out. I'm overriding you.

• 42:28David Imel?

  Am I an asshole for-

• 42:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, for any reason during a movie.

• 42:30David Imel?

  Am I an asshole for owning Meta display smart- yes.

• 42:34Speaker 02

  If we're at your house and we're watching a movie that you wanted to watch, you can pull out your phone and do it all the time. But I'm, if I'm watching a movie-

• 42:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I will say, movie theater, dark, tons of other people, don't pull your phone out at all. Like even just the real quick look at it is like a flashbang going off, I feel like. Don't do that.

• 42:52David Imel?

  Say life hack, which last time I said life hack, someone put it in a clip and said, "David's top productivity habits," which is insane, because I'm not a productive person. And it was literally making my bed in the morning and they made, turned into a YouTube clip for some reason. Anyway.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  You're talking about the time when you were like, "Ah, I feel so much better to have your bed made when you get to work."

• 43:11David Imel?

  And then someone made a YouTube short-

• 43:12Speaker 02

  It's not a life hack, that's actually something that takes more time.

• 43:15David Imel?

  Productivity hack.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  It's not a-

• 43:17David Imel?

  Anyway, uh, I think people should be, should use do not disturb way more than they, they do currently.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:24David Imel?

  I am so liberal with that do not disturb button. As soon as I start watching a movie with a friend, do not disturb.

• 43:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, this phone's over here, do not disturb.

• 43:32David Imel?

  Go to dinner, do not disturb.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  I saw, I saw a screenshot on Twitter of someone who in their email signature, like the automatically generated email signature, it said, "I only respond to emails on Tuesdays between 7 and 8 and Thursdays between 7 and 8 p.m." Which was like.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  That's like I'm not emailing that person.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  That's sick. I could never do that, but that's sick as hell to just be like, listen, you're gonna hear from me.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  Like I'm outside.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  This time.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  I'm outside your house trying to deliver this package. Where are you? Sorry.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  Just email, just email.

• 44:01Andrew Manganelli?

  I like that because if you don't, then you know, okay, I sent this email. Oh, it's Tuesday at nine o'clock now. I ain't getting any mail back. You've lost already.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  That's a, that's a good policy for someone who doesn't get that many emails. I'll say.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  All right. But Marquez, you did bring up a good thing. So I want to talk about VR headset usage because so many of these.

• 44:22Andrew Manganelli?

  VR?

• 44:23Speaker 02

  So many of these things got passed, or AR, XR.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Want to talk about the glasses or the headset?

• 44:27Speaker 02

  Talk about the headset.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  Headset, okay.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  Someone in the office asked.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  Vision Pro on the.

• 44:33Speaker 02

  Would you be the, yeah, would you be the asshole for end of the day bed scroll with your partner doing it in a vision?

• 44:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  This is, that's. Yes. It's just like the Apple ad where they're just like watching a movie on the Vision Pro together.

• 44:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, is, is your mouth open or closed?

• 44:50Speaker 01

  Hold on.

• 44:51Andrew Manganelli?

  When you're doing this? Hey, hey, but you're in the, you're in bed with your partner. You want to watch something there asleep. Inside of it.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  No, no, that's not the, that's.

• 45:02Andrew Manganelli?

  You said bed scroll.

• 45:03Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  You're both.

• 45:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  I think it sort of implied that it's a, that, that, that your partner's awake.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  It's a group activity.

• 45:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, okay. I was gonna say, because there's so many times I'm watching TV while Claire falls asleep. And in that scenario, the TV is on and the whole room is bright because I'm watching the TV. So using a VR headset might be the more polite way of doing it.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  I've seen that argument.

• 45:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Unless she wakes up and sees me in a VR headset and then it scares the ever living piss out of her.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  I've also seen the argument of, well, if you're like late night gaming or like doing, or watching a movie, for example.

• 45:34Andrew Manganelli?

  You're on your honeymoon.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  No, your, your partner's trying to sleep, but you want to watch a movie. You have the headset on and the, and the headphones on so that you're not waking up the person sleeping. That is the opposite of being an asshole.

• 45:46Andrew Manganelli?

  It's very courteous of you to put a headset on.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's still creepy.

• 45:48Andrew Manganelli?

  But, but the, what you're describing, which is the, which is a group activity, the late.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  About to go to sleep scroll, where you show them something and they're like, laugh, laugh. Then I think you, you have to take the headset off. You can't share that with them.

• 46:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Unless you have, what's the feature where they can see the same thing? Share spaces? Unless you're doing that, then you're really modern.

• 46:12David Imel?

  I don't think ever, I don't think anyone has ever done that outside of the Apple campus.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  I do, once a year for the briefing.

• 46:17David Imel?

  Yeah, for the briefing.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  And I'm like, oh, we can play chess in Vision Pro. And then I'm like.

• 46:23David Imel?

  Yeah. Maybe play chess in real life.

• 46:26Andrew Manganelli?

  A lot of these relationship ones can usually be done with just talk to your partner before you do the thing. It's probably way easier.

• 46:33David Imel?

  Or before you do the thing, yeah.

• 46:34Speaker 04

  I have one that's inspired by our very own Ellis. So Ellis, you cannot partake in this one.

• 46:42Speaker 04

  My packages keep getting stolen from my apartment, so I installed a Ring camera. My neighbor then complained that he doesn't feel comfortable because it's pointed right at his front door, but I refuse to remove it. Am I the asshole?

• 46:54David Imel?

  Yes.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 46:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Isn't Ellis saying this from the position of his neighbor?

• 46:59Speaker 02

  I didn't write this.

• 47:00Speaker 04

  No, I wrote this. Yeah.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 47:02Speaker 04

  I'm saying it's inspired by Ellis's story he told a couple of weeks ago.

• 47:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  What you're saying is even though this literally happened to me, like I am literally that guy, was that guy, that neighbor no longer is my neighbor, but um, so. None of, none of my current neighbors ever better put up a Ring camera because it'll happen to you too. You'll also be a former neighbor. But um, uh, but uh, I'm, I'm not even sure that they're the asshole, you know?

• 47:24Speaker 01

  I think if the explicit problem was their packages keep getting stolen, then that is a valid attempt at dissuading or solving or getting a. That's like the best way to like get a picture of the person.

• 47:36David Imel?

  It's pointed at your door?

• 47:37Speaker 01

  It happens to also.

• 47:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, but that's like an apartment.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  In my situation, it's, it's a like where it's, I'm at sort of like the corner of a hallway. And so there's two doors perpendicular to one another.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  So their doorbell being like on their door.

• 47:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Faces right at your door.

• 47:52Speaker 02

  Faces right at my door. They, I am realizing in this moment, they could have gotten one of the angled holders. So it, it goes across their door perpendicular and then we'll look at a wall. So maybe.

• 48:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, but what's it gonna stop if it looks at a wall?

• 48:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  What's a Ring camera gonna stop?

• 48:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Or not stop, you're gonna see who's stealing it.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 48:08Andrew Manganelli?

  You know, there's a 50% chance they think you're stealing the packages, right?

• 48:11Speaker 02

  Look at me. I mean, it does kind of sound like, hey, they take, take out your Ring cam. But first of all, I just want to say, there's. Proof at how ridiculous all this is, is they still got all of their mail stolen with the

• 48:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  So it's like, now they have a photo of the person.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  I know the guy was like, like, no one would ever commit a crime when there's cameras everywhere.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  That was my dumb guy accent.

• 48:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Sounds very New York.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  I think that if I was, if I was that, in that neighbor's shoes and I was like, dang, I keep, my packages keep getting stolen and I don't, I'm gonna keep getting packages. What is the most productive thing that I can do in this case? I can't like, prevent the packages from being stolen if they keep getting delivered, but I can get a literal photo of the person who's stealing the packages and then maybe get that to the police or something like, I can do, I can do something here with a ring camera.

• 49:02Andrew Manganelli?

  I would set a trap.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  But then if your neighbor comes, okay, Mark Rober, but then if your neighbor comes and says like, hey, this bothers me.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  Then it could be like, hey, neighbor, I understand this bothers you. What's been bothering me is all my packages getting stolen. So maybe we could collaborate here on like a solution that works for both of us.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  Toot, toot, man, I know you said I'm not allowed to chime in.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  And I'm definitely bad.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  No, I, I.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:25Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  You could put a ring camera, you know, facing not my, like, there is a, there is a way.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  That's a good plan.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  I should have, I should have proposed that. That, that was on me. Also, I live in the same building and I just don't ship stuff there.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:42Andrew Manganelli?

  I was gonna say. Not everyone has that benefit of being able to like get it to their work or something like that.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Depends on what you order.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  There's ways to figure this out.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 49:53Speaker 01

  If that guy was stealing that person's.

• 49:55Andrew Manganelli?

  This guy definitely thinks Ellis is stealing the packages.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  I really hope these neighbors, these former neighbors who were really, really great neighbors, don't hear this.

• 50:04Andrew Manganelli?

  If I, if I had my packages stolen, put up a ring camera and immediately my neighbor was like, you take that camera down. I would be like, oh my God, I know who's doing it now.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  I'm definitely losing it up.

• 50:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. I'd be like, oh, it's a fake camera. And then it'd be on and then I'd watch Ellis steal my packages.

• 50:22Speaker 04

  That's what he was probably hoping. He was probably shocked when it wasn't Ellis stealing the package.

• 50:26Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a tough one. I think also in a situation where you're living in like an apartment complex or whatever, where doors are so close, it's like a.

• 50:34Andrew Manganelli?

  It's tough to figure stuff out like that.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  But I still wouldn't, I still, even though I was the one aggrieved by the situation, I still would not say you're the asshole for doing that. I, maybe it's just because I, I like these people, but.

• 50:46David Imel?

  Don't backtrack now. You were just threatening them 10 minutes ago.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  We just know that they're not.

• 50:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Listen, I love them. All their packages were great.

• 50:56David Imel?

  I didn't steal any packages.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  If, if it's all about intent, then I would say the intent is, is not bad. They're not an asshole.

• 51:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, it's the asshole. I can throw mine out if we're ready for another one. I had a hard time thinking of mine because I think I'm extremely unconfrontational, so I'd rather just not be the asshole. But then.

• 51:20David Imel?

  Not being the asshole makes you the asshole.

• 51:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, probably. I also say I can't think of any, but that doesn't mean that no one else can think of one, because Mark has thought of one immediately. Which is, I don't, I think people in this room will agree with me, I'm not the asshole, but I think the reason they'll agree with me probably makes me more of an asshole. And I'll explain that in a second. Mark has said, well, you do use a mechanical keyboard inside the studio with other people who work here.

• 51:44David Imel?

  You're the asshole.

• 51:44Andrew Manganelli?

  A lot of people online call me the asshole for that. I think the reason you guys might not is because I've probably convinced all of you guys to also use mechanical keyboards in the studio, which makes me a bigger asshole, because now lots of people use mechanical keyboards.

• 51:59David Imel?

  There's no such thing as silence in this studio. There's already enough sound pollution all the time that it just kind of fades into the background.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's like a din of the studio now, of like the HVACs and the mechanical keyboards and the dog footprints or whatever, the pitter patter. It's just, it's just kind of like always a little bit annoying.

• 52:15David Imel?

  When there are only like five of us, it was like eerily quiet sometimes. You'd be like, you know, doing this on your desk. And I'd just be like typing and be like, nobody's talking. It's super weird. I can't talk to Adam.

• 52:28Andrew Manganelli?

  He would just text me like, what do you think they're thinking about? You can't know when someone's really in the zone too, because it's just.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm picturing, uh, what's that Apple TV show Severance? You know, like a workspace like that where it's like just stark? And like one person has a mechanical keyboard? That would be pretty bad. That would feel like you're making too much noise.

• 52:48Andrew Manganelli?

  So I am not the asshole because I gave you all enough keyboards to make it not solely my fault anymore?

• 52:55Speaker 01

  You, you helped increase the noise floor enough that you didn't, you weren't such an outlier anymore. So it's, yeah, you're not the asshole. Yeah.

• 53:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I have a feeling out of everything we've talked about in the comments, I'm going to get shit on the most right now. People really get, all the studio videos we've made about mechanical keyboards is a lot of people being really mad at me for even thinking about using one in the office.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  It's very satisfying. That's like the, see, every hobby has this. It's like people who like loud cars. It's like, well, your neighbors hate you, but if all your neighbors had loud cars, you'd all be chill.

• 53:27Andrew Manganelli?

  The thing about a loud car, because I am one of those neighbors that hates loud cars, is don't, it's the time of day. If it's 2:00 PM, I'm running to the window to see what car it is.

• 53:38Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 53:38Andrew Manganelli?

  If it's 2:00 AM, you're an asshole.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's valid. That's valid.

• 53:42Speaker 02

  Hot take, that's how I feel about people who play music out of speakers on the subway.

• 53:47Andrew Manganelli?

  They're all, oh, what?

• 53:49Speaker 02

  People are like, oh, like it's so disruptive. It's sort of like, I'm like, yeah, do you hate music?

• 53:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  Like, what is wrong with you?

• 53:56Speaker 01

  What about, is it 100% asshole if you're the music on speakers on a hike guy?

• 54:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:02Andrew Manganelli?

  I was ready for that.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  Oh, that's 100%.

• 54:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Especially in like a national park that's like, you're probably spending a lot of money to vacation there. It's like, if.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  For the serene sounds and then there's just Creed playing like in the distance, you know?

• 54:14Andrew Manganelli?

  My like favorite part about national parks is how many times you can be in a scenario where like, I don't think anyone's within miles of me. And then, yeah, if [BLEEP] hits the, the switchback coming up, it's just shitty music.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  It's not like, it's not like I want to hear the subway, you know, like.

• 54:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Am I the asshole for interrupting you to take us to another ad break?

• 54:38Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 54:40Andrew Manganelli?

  There'll be suspense.

• 54:41David Imel?

  You're writing trivia.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  I don't think about trivia.

• 54:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Misinput.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  Miss fire.

• 54:46Andrew Manganelli?

  We'll be back after these messages.

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• 57:05David Imel?

  Alright, welcome back. I have one that has plagued people for generations. Um, probably only one generation, because that's how old the technology is. Uh, okay, location sharing. This is a very widely debated topic.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  This is...

• 57:20David Imel?

  If you don't want to share your location with your partner, and they really want you to, does that make you an asshole?

• 57:29Speaker 01

  The simple question is, why? That is the only question. I mean, for me...

• 57:34Speaker 04

  You're saying, why do you not want to share?

• 57:36Speaker 01

  No, why do they want it so badly?

• 57:38Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  Well, maybe that's just me asking that.

• 57:40David Imel?

  But here's the crazy thing, is like, the reason I don't like sharing my location really with anybody is just because I just don't think anyone has the right to have my location ever, just as a principles thing.

• 57:49Speaker 04

  Except daddy Google.

• 57:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, that's what I wanted to ask, is...

• 57:52David Imel?

  Sergey Brin. He's no R M anytime. Come on, Sergey.

• 57:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Hit me with your drone. Reasoning is like giving, uh, apps the, uh, approval to like track your location, which I guess they kind of...

• 58:05David Imel?

  Apps are not a person. I just don't like the idea of...

• 58:09Speaker 04

  You mean like Find My, like Find Friends or whatever?

• 58:11David Imel?

  I don't, yeah, because there have been scenarios before where someone... I, I like the plausible deniability, you know?

• 58:18Andrew Manganelli?

  That's, don't use that as your reasoning.

• 58:21David Imel?

  That's not, that's not my reason. I'm just, that, that isn't my reason.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  But I just want to keep the option there.

• 58:27David Imel?

  No, that isn't my reason, but just imagine, I mean, there's, there's a lot of reasons, okay? I just don't like anyone being able to just like, open their phone and be like, oh, David is right here, right now.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  There's, yeah.

• 58:38David Imel?

  I just don't like that.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  I'm with you. I, I think there's very much two types of people, and I've observed both types. Type one is like, they open the thing and there's a map and there's 40 dots on there and they're like, let's see who's doing what. I'm like, what?

• 58:50Speaker 01

  And then the other half is like, don't ever look for my dot on a map. That's insane.

• 58:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:55Speaker 04

  One thing worth bringing up here, though, is that, for me personally, I know a lot of women in my life like using location sharing because it's like a safety thing.

• 59:03David Imel?

  Absolutely.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  So, in that case, it could be that they're asking for like, because that's how they think about location sharing, you know?

• 59:10Speaker 01

  So, that's one, that's a one-way.

• 59:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Can you do it one way? Way.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can. Yes. So that would be, that's one thing. That would be like, I would like someone like my friend to know my location for this amount of time, or for forever, whatever, for as long as they want. That's cool. It's someone else requesting my location and me not wanting to.

• 59:27David Imel?

  Yeah, but see, here's the problem. If it's your partner and your partner says, I want you to have my location all the time.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  I'll.

• 59:33David Imel?

  Then you're kind of, are you an asshole for being like, but I don't want you to have mine?

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. Where are you trying to go, man?

• 59:39Andrew Manganelli?

  It doesn't look great, I can tell you that.

• 59:41David Imel?

  I don't know, the forest? I'm just saying like, I'm just saying like.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  What's the big deal here?

• 59:46David Imel?

  No, because I don't, I just, it's just a principles thing, you know, generally. I will say.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  It's very much like the.

• 59:53David Imel?

  Yeah, it's a.

• 59:54Speaker 02

  I think it's safe to say, if the answer is ever, it's a principles thing, and this is coming from someone who's a pretty principled person. If it's ever, it's principles thing, you're probably the asshole.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  No, there's.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  There's another version of this, which is like, I don't want these companies spying on me to give me good ads, like, and it's very much just like, the only benefit to that is better, more targeted ads for me, but it's a principles thing. I don't want the company to know all this information about me. And it's not shady, and they'll always go, oh, well, what's the worst that could happen? What's the, what are you hiding? It's like, I'm not hiding anything. It's just a principle. I don't want you to know anything about me.

• 1:00:29David Imel?

  Like the ask ads.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  But now, when we flip it, it's like, I don't, it's a principles thing. It's, it's kind of the same thing. I'm not hiding anything.

• 1:00:35David Imel?

  You're not wrong for that.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:37David Imel?

  Yeah, like when, like on the iPhone, when you log into new app and it's the ask ads not to trap or track or allow like more discreet targeting.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:45David Imel?

  And it's like, if you do not, like, ask ads not to track, it's really just because of your principles.

• 1:00:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I just hit it by default. I would say you are the asshole, but you are also right, if that makes sense.

• 1:00:57David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 1:00:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, you're allowed to be right and be the asshole in this situation.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, that nuance.

• 1:01:02David Imel?

  I think it's insane that we have, as a society, just completely normalized, like, always knowing where everyone is. Like, that anonymity is a blessing, and I, it's insane that we have gotten rid of that. But now, because so many people have bought into it, you become the friction point if you are the one that's like, hmm, you know?

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:20David Imel?

  So.

• 1:01:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Claire and I never did it until we had Lane, and now knowing the other person might be with Lane in a scenario, now we both have location tracking on. In case it's like, Claire and Lane went out to do this, and I haven't heard from them in a little while, can I double check it? In terms of doing it previously, we never asked, the only thing, I would just be really embarrassed by it because Claire would probably log in and be like, Taco Bell again, like, god damn it, I was making dinner tonight, but.

• 1:01:49David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah. I'll say I used to be a just like never, never, never person. I have slowly started like just giving people access to my location.

• 1:01:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I think there's a level to it too. How long have you been with the person? Like if we're on date two and they're like, oh, let's turn on our location track. And I was like, oh my god.

• 1:02:06David Imel?

  Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, no, no, no.

• 1:02:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, question for you, because I haven't been on iPhone in a while. Can you set, like, can you give them permission for a certain amount of time?

• 1:02:16David Imel?

  Yeah, you can.

• 1:02:16Andrew Manganelli?

  You can, okay.

• 1:02:17David Imel?

  You can do it for an hour until a certain time or indefinite.

• 1:02:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause I know you could do it in Google Maps. I'm not sure if you could do it in.

• 1:02:22David Imel?

  One hour, 24 hours or indefinite.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  No, it's one hour end of day indefinitely.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  So you can't be like, here's my week.

• 1:02:30Andrew Manganelli?

  So could, oh, hmm.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  You have to turn it on every week or turn it off after a week of indefinite.

• 1:02:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  Which is.

• 1:02:38David Imel?

  You just look like that guy.

• 1:02:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:02:42David Imel?

  Yeah. You do indefinite and then it's just like.

• 1:02:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I would say if you're going to ask somebody to turn on their location tracking for you, you should probably have a somewhat of a reason why you say it. Like if you're going to be the person to go out and ask, you should be like, not just, can you turn your location tracking on? Or like, do you mind if you turn it on? It'd be nice if I saw you were in traffic on the way home and I know not to start to, it'd be like, stuff like that. If they can give a legitimate reason, then it's really hard to say no to, and then you look. I just squirming over there.

• 1:03:11David Imel?

  Just the thought of sitting in my car and someone looking at my location without me knowing.

• 1:03:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Wouldn't it be fun if your phone just lit up blue every time someone looked at your location? Just like boom, someone checked your location.

• 1:03:23David Imel?

  At least I would know.

• 1:03:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I would be okay with it, actually.

• 1:03:27David Imel?

  It's like in Japan how they mandate that your phone makes a really loud camera snap noise when you take a photo to stop people from peeping. I wish it did that because I just, the, what I don't like is not knowing that people are looking at me.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, the color of the light is the person who checks your location. So if it's blue every time, you're like, oh, that's, that's my spouse. That's totally fine.

• 1:03:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, I'm gonna. I guess, I just thought we were talking about only your like significant other, right?

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

• 1:03:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't understand why everyone wants to have all their friends on.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Me neither.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  My girlfriend and I share our locations with each other and for Valentine's, shut up.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  And for Valentine's Day, I like cooked her this big dinner that was a surprise.

• 1:04:05David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  But this funny thing did happen where she was like, she texted me, she was like, like, I was going to a butcher to go get ribs, like really nice.

• 1:04:15David Imel?

  Why you at a butcher?

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  Damn, really nice ribs. Well, no, but it's because it's like I needed them cut a really specific way that I didn't have the tools to do myself. So I needed to go to a butcher that was nice enough where I could be like, listen, I need you to, you know, handle this for me.

• 1:04:32David Imel?

  The butcher.

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:34David Imel?

  Anyway. The butcher.

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  Anyway, she texted me, she was like, what are you doing tonight? And I was like, oh, I'm just gonna go home and work out, blah, blah, blah. And then she was like, then why are you here?

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  I was like, uh.

• 1:04:48David Imel?

  That's what I'm talking about. It's for a surprise. That's if, that's like, why do you use incognito mode in browser? So I can surprise my spouse.

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  I think it was, I, I think it's cute to think that my girlfriend's like, oh, I don't know what Ellis is up to. And then she's like, oh, it's, he's in New Jersey again, like.

• 1:05:03David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah. Damn, you came to Jersey?

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:05:08David Imel?

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  I just come to Jersey like most of every other.

• 1:05:12David Imel?

  I'm just saying like all, yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of things too, that it's like, if I had a spouse who was to, who was the kind of person who wants to like, look through my texts or something, I would never give them access to. Well, first of all, I would never date someone who would look through my texts. I also feel like that's a little. That's the other thing. Okay, here's the B side of this. Okay, continue, continuation, right?

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:33David Imel?

  Um, okay, B side.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  I have another disclaimer. Never take any, any at all relationship advice from a technology podcast. I repeat, never take any relationship advice, ever, from a technology podcast.

• 1:05:49David Imel?

  Okay, here's another prin, here's another principle.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  Get all of your relationship advice from Brian Johnson's Twitter.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  That's also a technology podcast, Ben.

• 1:05:59David Imel?

  All right, here's, here's the B side to this is the if your partner asked to look through your phone, even if you had nothing to hide, would you let them do it?

• 1:06:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Claire has all my passwords.

• 1:06:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I give, I give just all my passwords and everything just in case something happens.

• 1:06:18David Imel?

  There's, no, but like.

• 1:06:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, so she can delete my history.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  It's the same thing. I just need a why, that's all.

• 1:06:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Of like, why?

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  It's like, why do you want my location? If you have a good why, then sure. Like, why do you want to look through my phone? If you have a good why, then sure.

• 1:06:32Speaker 04

  Well, for me, it's, it's less like they've looked through my phone, more like we were driving at one point and she had to go through my phone to get something.

• 1:06:40David Imel?

  Oh, that's.

• 1:06:40Speaker 04

  So if I give her the phone, I'm not gonna change the password after, you know, like, no, she just has it.

• 1:06:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I think David's saying like an accusatory, like I need to look through your phone.

• 1:06:48Speaker 01

  Then that's the why.

• 1:06:49David Imel?

  And I know it makes you look worse, but.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  But your principal.

• 1:06:53Speaker 04

  It's a principal's thing.

• 1:06:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, it does make you look worse. It'll make you look great and them bad when they look through it and the thing they're accusing you of does not happen.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it makes them look bad. That's true.

• 1:07:03David Imel?

  Oh, that's true.

• 1:07:04Andrew Manganelli?

  If they're accusing.

• 1:07:07Speaker 04

  That's tough.

• 1:07:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I. I'm very thankful I have not gone into any of these scenarios.

• 1:07:12David Imel?

  I've also never been in the scenario. I'm just, it's, it's an interesting mind.

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  Okay, what about a scenario we've all been in? Would I be the ass?

• 1:07:20David Imel?

  Taking a bath.

• 1:07:21Speaker 04

  Would I be the asshole for confronting my friend for sending me too many reels per day?

• 1:07:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, so I'm making this joke, but for a while, I definitely was that asshole to Ellis. I sent him so many [bleep] reels. I think it was because when I first deleted TikTok, the, one of the first reels I probably ever sent to Ellis was probably some insane food one. And then Instagram was like, I got you. I'm only gonna send you really weird memes about like meat and cigarettes and like Creed. And I was like, I have to send every one of these to Ellis. And then after a while, he stopped responding and I was like, I should get off Instagram.

• 1:07:56Speaker 04

  Physically, I'm 12, but spiritually, I am like a divorced dad. You know, like Creed, cigarettes and meat, baby.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  It does seem like, I don't know. This was in our interview with Adam Misery, but like when he said, he said before that like the share button is one of the strongest signals in Instagram reels. Like when I share a reel with someone, Instagram goes, I got a lot more of that. And if I sent something, then it starts sending me more of the thing that I sent to someone. Hoping that'll send it to more people because it's something I would share. So I, I think, yeah, probably once you sent that first one, they were like.

• 1:08:32David Imel?

  If you flip that on its head, are you the asshole for never liking the reels that someone just keeps sending you? And just like scene zoning.

• 1:08:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I would say like, you gotta, there's a, there's a little give and take on both of these. Like clearly if people are sending reels to each other, they, they think it's funny and are genuinely thinking about them. But if you're sending five or six and not getting a response back, maybe you gotta tighten up the parameters of a share worthy reel. And then make them hit home.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  Maybe you're not there for the hundred percent engage rate. Maybe you're just there for the open rate.

• 1:09:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Quantity over quality is a totally real thing. Waveform has 300 episodes. There's probably like seven good ones.

• 1:09:17David Imel?

  Here's something that's crazy to me is that there are not like DM group, like there's group chats. But there's not like DM lists, right? Where you see a reel, you hit send, you can send it to a list and it individually sends it to the, all those people. And yet I have an acquaintance from college that I had like a class with. We have not spoken in a really long time and he still sends me reels. And I have not answered in six years.

• 1:09:47Andrew Manganelli?

  This is payback because you, you won't be on as fun, my friends.

• 1:09:51David Imel?

  I'm just like, so he has to find my name and send it to me and like, we haven't spoken in six years.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  But every time he sees a reel and he's like, and Dave is gonna like this one.

• 1:10:01David Imel?

  I how? How do you even know who I am at this point?

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  Anyway, it is crazy.

• 1:10:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm never gonna call the person the asshole for sending all of it because I appreciate thinking of me.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  I think it's even better.

• 1:10:14Andrew Manganelli?

  I start feeling bad when I.

• 1:10:15Speaker 04

  But the question is, are you the asshole for confronting them about it?

• 1:10:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  You just gotta be like, hey, man.

• 1:10:22Andrew Manganelli?

  What's confronting? Is it like, hey, man, stop sending me those reels? Or is it like, I'm sorry, dude, I just don't have time to watch all of them?

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  Whatever it means to you, whatever it is in your heart.

• 1:10:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Not the asshole?

• 1:10:32Speaker 02

  I think a confrontation in this situation.

• 1:10:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Confrontation seems mean.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  It is sort of, but I think I'm, I, I probably, and I guess this does make it the asshole move, but I feel like in that situation, I probably would be like, dude.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  That's it. That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing.

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  What are you doing?

• 1:10:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Here's the thing, if they're, if they keep sending them and don't get responses back and they keep sending them, they don't care. They obviously don't care. So like, yeah, I'm not hurting anyone. If he, it's all I have to do is then click red every time.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  If they sent you a bunch of reels and you didn't respond.

• 1:11:06Andrew Manganelli?

  And every time I saw them.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  They confronted you and were like, hey, man, you didn't answer my reels.

• 1:11:11Andrew Manganelli?

  That is weird.

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  That's the weird one. Don't do that.

• 1:11:14David Imel?

  Yeah. But if they keep sending it even when you don't, when you just scene zone them, then they've eclipsed shame already. So they're just gonna keep doing it.

• 1:11:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, they just want to send you a reel. That's fine.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  I think for most people, the act of consuming reels is so brainless that also like sharing them is like.

• 1:11:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  Like two taps.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. Which actually, you know, you're right, Mark has like, it literally is designed to just be like tap, tap. And then like you show the reel. That's funny that that's the most powerful signal on Instagram, like.

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  It's because it's social.

• 1:11:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, but that's because reels is so little brain power that those two taps is 800 times more engagement than anything else you would do scrolling and liking.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'll toss a like to a random reel, but if I, if I thought it was funny and specifically, that's why they start surfacing more. It's because I, I engaged two layers deep with this reel. I liked it so much that I thought of a person who would also like it and I sent it to them. And then that person's gonna watch it. That's a pretty good signal. So I got 30 more of those reels. Here you go.

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  All right. Let's do, let's do a few more. Then we can wrap it up. This first one, am I the asshole for making my friends guess whether a given G Fuel flavor is real or not? More than once.

• 1:12:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I think for us, no. For Vergecast, yes.

• 1:12:29David Imel?

  Yeah, Dan Seaver was not happy with us.

• 1:12:31Andrew Manganelli?

  And he still whooped me in it.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  Okay. Guys, would I be the asshole? A little switching it up. Would I be the asshole for using ChatGPT to write someone a birthday card?

• 1:12:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  Yes. No.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  Not by default. Not by default.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Explain.

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  However.

• 1:12:53Speaker 02

  How would you make it not an asshole move?

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  So, writing someone a birthday card is already a very high effort thing to do. Not a lot of people get birthday cards. So, if you're going through the effort to not just like text them happy birthday, or write on their Facebook wall because Facebook told you it was their birthday, you're mailing them a card. That's already eclipsed the threshold of effort to not be an asshole. And if they never know that you used AI assistance in this, then

• 1:13:21Speaker 04

  Oh, you just made it more the asshole.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Perfectly acceptable.

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  You're not just my best friend, you're my best, best friend.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  I assume you're using AI not because you have zero thoughts on how to write a happy birthday card. You're probably looking for a little extra fun, or like a rhyme scheme, or for something extra to make it a good card.

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  I feel like you're using AI because it's too much effort.

• 1:13:41Speaker 01

  It's too much effort, but you're writing and mailing them a card already?

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  I think you're trying to take it to the next level with some AI assistance.

• 1:13:49Speaker 04

  Well, my thing is if you're already doing it, just do it. Like, if you're going through the effort to get the letter and mail it out, like, just write the letter then.

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  I think it's potentially true that adding AI assistance made it more work and made it better.

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  Okay, here's an asterisk. How much time would you have to spend conversing with this LLM about the nature of your friendship with this person?

• 1:14:16Speaker 04

  That's a good

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  For you no longer to be the impersonal asshole?

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, don't, so it's like, what part of the letter are you getting help with? Because I don't know what the letter is. It could, like, is the letter, like, oh, this person is like my, one of my friends in my fantasy basketball, like, group, and like, I'm mailing him a card because I'm whooping him this week, and I thought it'd be hilarious if we got a card. Help me write something that's like funny and relates to basketball. Like, you're going the extra mile to mail them a specific card and you're getting help with AI.

• 1:14:47Speaker 04

  What if you used your brain?

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  I would say, let's say

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  We never

• 1:14:50Speaker 04

  Not everyone's Marques's examples don't seem that bad.

• 1:14:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I just like

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  I'm just not willing to default 100% like the guy in the woods with the speaker.

• 1:15:00Andrew Manganelli?

  This is a podcast talking about Reddit. We're supposed to default 100% on something.

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  I think you can use AI to help write someone a birthday card and mail it to them in a very high effort way that does not make you an asshole. So I'm not going to go 100% on that one.

• 1:15:15David Imel?

  Are you writing with your hands?

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're going through all that mailing effort, but you got you got chat GPT to give you like a like a haiku scheme. So you could be better at making a haiku or something out of it.

• 1:15:27David Imel?

  Yeah, when I was a child, I would get irrationally angry and I would still get irrationally angry at like when some random family member that I never spoke to on my birthday would send me a birthday card that was literally just the card that they bought at Walgreens.

• 1:15:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's that's more.

• 1:15:40David Imel?

  I was like, I understand there's ever involved here, but like you're mailing it in so hard.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:47David Imel?

  You're mailing your feelings in, you're you're distributing.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:15:50David Imel?

  Literally mailing it in. You're you're like outsourcing your brain and your feelings to some Walgreens writer.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  That's a great point. What's worse?

• 1:16:00David Imel?

  It's not that different.

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  The Walgreens written one? That's definitely impersonal or the I use AI to make one?

• 1:16:07David Imel?

  I think Walgreens is worse. I think a pre-written card from Walgreens is worse, to be honest. Cause it is it is it's copied.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  It's generic. You know that other people got the same card too.

• 1:16:18David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  That's what makes it.

• 1:16:19David Imel?

  At least for the LLM, you're giving it context.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:22Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm just, do you guys send cards where you don't write anything else in it?

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  Sometimes I've gotten those.

• 1:16:27David Imel?

  I get them. Yeah.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  I have gotten them.

• 1:16:29Andrew Manganelli?

  That's crazy. I think those, that's crazy.

• 1:16:31David Imel?

  They'll just sign, they'll just sign their name at the end.

• 1:16:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is a principle one. This is like, yeah, Marquez, you're right. Like, may, yeah, I see where you're coming from.

• 1:16:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Marquez's thing makes it sound like I'm trying to be creative in a way I'm not creative and I want to put the extra effort in, which I don't think is the the like when we're talking about this specific, am I the asshole? It's like. I don't have, I want to make it look like I have a, I want to trick them. You did in one point say, if they don't know it's AI, what's it matter? That was kind of an asshole move, but uh.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  I guess in the case of the Hallmark card where it's pre-written, you know it's pre-written. So you know that there is zero effort. In the case of like the handwritten letter, you don't know how much effort there was. Maybe this person's really clever and wrote a clever thing, or maybe they had help. I don't know.

• 1:17:16Speaker 02

  A central plot point of the movie Her is that the titular character, titular character, the guy Her.

• 1:17:23Andrew Manganelli?

  The main character.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  The main guy.

• 1:17:25David Imel?

  The her guy.

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  The Joaquin Phoenix looking guy.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:28David Imel?

  Um, yeah, he is a, he is a greeting card writer.

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's a greeting card writer. That's his job is he, he writes greeting cards for rich people who don't have time. I guess you knew a guy.

• 1:17:36David Imel?

  Why would he have to do that when they have AI?

• 1:17:38Speaker 01

  Person who, uh, who sort of moonlight writes for PR statements for like CEOs.

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  Oh, nevermind. I thought it was like personal writing.

• 1:17:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Mr. Deeds also a greeting card writer? Oh, God. Am I the asshole for liking old Adam Sandler?

• 1:17:55Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, oh.

• 1:17:57David Imel?

  Ultimately, I think the effort ladder, like the, the effort ladder is you wrote it completely yourself.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  That's the highest.

• 1:18:04David Imel?

  You wrote it with the help of an ML, L, MLM, LLM with all the context of the person.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  Right below it.

• 1:18:11David Imel?

  You wrote it just with the ML, L, L, LLM with no context at all.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  And didn't edit it at all.

• 1:18:17David Imel?

  And didn't edit it all. And then Hallmark card is on the bottom.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  Of lowest effort.

• 1:18:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  Even, even lower below that is just a text. I think when you're getting to the point of mailing them something.

• 1:18:27David Imel?

  No, but text is not pre-written by somebody else. So it's actually higher than Hallmark.

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting. That's interesting.

• 1:18:33David Imel?

  You had to use your own brain to do it.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  I just think the, the, the threshold of I'm buying a card for you to put in an envelope and write your name and address on and mailing it to you to arrive around your birthday is already a lot of effort.

• 1:18:48David Imel?

  I know it's effort, but it's, but it's like, it's more of a formality. It's like when your mom says, we have to do this and you say, why? And they said, cause we've always done it that way. Like you're not using any of your own, you know.

• 1:18:59Andrew Manganelli?

  I think call your homies.

• 1:19:01David Imel?

  Critical thought.

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  Call your homies.

• 1:19:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Call your homies, man. Call them on their birthday.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  Please never call them.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  Please don't call me.

• 1:19:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Marquez, I'm calling you. We should all say, "AI card."

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  Am I an asshole? Don't ever call me. Please.

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  There's a, there's a new AI for that, bro. You get Open Cloud to call your homies on their birthday.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  With Twilio. Okay, this is a good one to end it on.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  Yes or no, are you an asshole if you just cold call someone in the middle of the day?

• 1:19:28Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:29Andrew Manganelli?

  What's cold call mean?

• 1:19:31Speaker 02

  No, no, not at all.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  It's your birthday. Your homie's calling you for your birthday.

• 1:19:33Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  It's 4:30 in the afternoon, they're calling you right now.

• 1:19:36Andrew Manganelli?

  If it's your birthday, no.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:19:38Andrew Manganelli?

  But if it's a regular Tuesday, don't call me.

• 1:19:40David Imel?

  What?

• 1:19:41Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I totally disagree, especially because we all have caller ID, and if you, the person, doesn't want to pick up, y'all don't have to pick up. No, because if you never call me- Just don't pick up if you don't want to talk to me. If you never call me, and now you're calling me at 3 o'clock on a Tuesday, I think something's wrong. I'm picking up, I'm freaking out.

• 1:19:56David Imel?

  You pick up, you freak out, and then I say, "How's it going?" I-

• 1:20:00Andrew Manganelli?

  That's the asshole. That specifically is the asshole.

• 1:20:02David Imel?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:20:02Andrew Manganelli?

  "How's it going, man?"

• 1:20:03David Imel?

  But-

• 1:20:04Andrew Manganelli?

  What?

• 1:20:05David Imel?

  But like-

• 1:20:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Why'd you call me?

• 1:20:06David Imel?

  I like getting called out of the blue by friends that I don't talk to that often.

• 1:20:09Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 1:20:10David Imel?

  And if they just want to chat, even if I'm not free, I'm like, "Oh, sorry dude, I'm not free right now, but we should catch up." It's just catching up.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  Give me an out.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  Send me a text, "Hey, can I call you later?" Let me say nothing.

• 1:20:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I, I need to mentally prepare for a conversation.

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, why?

• 1:20:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I can't just pick up the phone and start talking. After the last three answers, I'm convinced Marquez is the guy bringing his Xbox to the honeymoon.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  I don't mean like, "Hey, uh, I don't want to talk to you right now." I'd rather stare at a screen.

• 1:20:40David Imel?

  Yeah. As someone who gets like 300 emails a day, I guess-

• 1:20:43Andrew Manganelli?

  That's fair.

• 1:20:44David Imel?

  Calling me is like, it's gotta be a certain urgency level.

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  I just want to say I'm proud of you guys, uh, during the course that I called all three of you, because I thought it would be really funny, and you guys are all either on airplane or dude not disturbed.

• 1:20:56David Imel?

  DND.

• 1:20:57Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think I'm in any of those things.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Well-

• 1:21:00Andrew Manganelli?

  I am watching the Olympics. I am watching Team USA play quarterfinals right now.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Am I the asshole? I'm on a podcast with you, but I'm also watching the game.

• 1:21:08David Imel?

  Is that cool? Is that fine?

• 1:21:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Listen, I've been waiting 14 years for this Olympics and the NHL. Sorry.

• 1:21:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:15Andrew Manganelli?

  This is elimination games.

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  I've been waiting 14 years for my new Streetlight Manifest album. If that dropped into the old pod, I'd have my earphones in.

• 1:21:21David Imel?

  Fair enough.

• 1:21:22Speaker 02

  Guys, you did an excellent job at checking this. Um, it seems like the only two things you can do and not be an asshole in your eyes are-

• 1:21:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Everyone's so-

• 1:21:32Speaker 02

  Are, uh, ask your family to take their old photos off of iCloud and

• 1:21:38Andrew Manganelli?

  If you're paying for it.

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  Switch to Android.

• 1:21:41David Imel?

  Can we have like?

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  Hey, let us know in the comments if you agree or disagree with any of our, or maybe present some more and then we'll do another episode because this is actually really fun. And I want to know what other situations you guys have that we can agree with or disagree with. So A I T. A.

• 1:21:57Speaker 01

  A I T A.

• 1:21:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:00Speaker 01

  Hit us up.

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  And you can officially bring your children back in the room.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're back. We're back. We're gonna censor stuff from here on out. Back to your regular scheduled programming. See you guys soon.

• 1:22:10David Imel?

  Censorship is coming.

• 1:22:12Andrew Manganelli?

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• 1:22:16Andrew Manganelli?

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• 1:22:20David Imel?

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