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1:21 David Imel? I grew up in Gold Country. It's like where the gold rush happened. And so we have a mine that is still operating called the Empire Mine.
1:28 Andrew Manganelli? A mime?
1:31 David Imel? That is, whoa, you're kind of mesmerizing right now.
1:34 Speaker 01 Audio listeners will have to...
1:35 David Imel? Yeah, Adam was just miming.
1:37 Andrew Manganelli? Podcast worst nightmare, the mime.
1:40 David Imel? Well, mine is still operating.
1:41 Speaker 03 Mime podcast would be so funny, like, I'm in a box, I'm in a box, I'm still in the box, I can't get out of the box, the box is getting smaller.
1:52 Speaker 01 Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marques.
1:57 Andrew Manganelli? I'm Andrew.
1:58 David Imel? And I'm David.
1:59 Speaker 01 This week...
2:01 Speaker 01 I almost forgot. That's the new intro. Okay, this week, we've got someone in a pickle. So many nothing products, Samsung and Pixel event teasers. So we'll talk about what we expect from some of those. A new Twitter video editing tool. And David apparently wants to rant about something.
2:18 David Imel? And it's sort of rant, yeah.
2:19 Speaker 01 Sort, he wants to sort of rant about something.
2:20 Andrew Manganelli? Sort of rant is probably just means insane rant.
2:23 Speaker 01 He wants to crash out about something.
2:24 David Imel? It's not insane.
2:26 Andrew Manganelli? I'm ready for it.
2:27 David Imel? It's a deep rabbit hole that I fell down last night.
2:29 Andrew Manganelli? Life altering.
2:30 Speaker 01 Okay.
2:30 David Imel? Life altering. Nice.
2:33 Speaker 01 But first.
2:35 David Imel? Did they even test this?
2:37 Andrew Manganelli? I have a positive one today.
2:38 David Imel? Whoa, you mean they did test this really hard?
2:41 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, this is, we've probably talked about it on the pod before, but every six months, I think of a song and I can't remember what it is and I don't know any of the words to it. And I always find myself coming back to the Google search a song feature. And it's great every single time.
2:58 Speaker 01 Every six months on the dot, like to the minute?
3:01 Andrew Manganelli? Not to the minute, but I did, you can look at your recent, quote, recent searches and my last searches were, it's July right now, we're December, then May, then January.
3:12 Speaker 01 This is the feature where you can just start singing slash humming a song.
3:16 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, so if you have the search, the, the search bar widget and press the mic, the microphone button, then press search a song under that. It says you can either play, hum, or sing a song. I basically just mumble a bunch because I'm sure like many other people.
3:31 David Imel? Mumble core.
3:31 Andrew Manganelli? You like know a song, but you don't actually know the words, but you can still kind of sing along to it with just a bunch of made up words. And you can do that into the Google thing and it works almost every time. It gives you some options and there's a good chance that one of those options are the thing that you're looking for.
3:44 David Imel? It's good.
3:45 Speaker 01 Can I?
3:45 David Imel? Yeah. What was the song?
3:47 Andrew Manganelli? It was actually a Streetlight Manifesto song. I was trying to find out this morning.
3:51 David Imel? Very interesting.
3:52 Andrew Manganelli? Can you sing it for us? It's Hand That Thieves.
3:54 David Imel? The Hands That Thieves.
3:55 Speaker 01 I'm starting to think you guys are like sponsored by them or something.
3:57 Andrew Manganelli? I can't say, I can't tell.
3:58 Speaker 01 They got that kind of money.
4:00 David Imel? They have no money. They have no money. They have to tour all year to make ends meet, bro.
4:03 Andrew Manganelli? New Jersey natives, bro.
4:05 David Imel? Yeah, they're New Jersey natives.
4:06 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, I can remember homies. David's not, but they are.
4:09 David Imel? Yeah, but they're spiritually from NorCal because they're.
4:12 Andrew Manganelli? From New Jersey?
4:13 David Imel? They're not Scott, but they're.
4:14 Andrew Manganelli? Cause they're Scott.
4:15 David Imel? They're Scott. Okay, we're, let's move on.
4:17 Andrew Manganelli? If I had to pick the epitome of Scott, I think I would pick.
4:19 David Imel? Okay, we can move on.
4:22 Speaker 01 What I will say.
4:22 David Imel? You about to be with us later.
4:24 Speaker 01 I do want to say, this is like the textbook Sherlock example where, remember we used to have Shazam as a separate app?
4:32 David Imel? Which Apple owns.
4:33 Speaker 01 And I used to also, so I remember this is probably like almost 15 years ago, Shazam was pretty good for identifying certain songs, but SoundHound was pretty good at identifying other certain songs. So I was like, I, I can usually get like a pop song or whatever on the radio from Shazam. But then I was taking like a pre-college class at Carnegie Mellon and like audio engineering and one of the, one of my classmates was like, you gotta try SoundHound. And I was like, oh my God, it's so much better than Shazam. So I was like, if you knew, you knew SoundHound is better. And so it was two separate apps competing to be the best at identifying songs. As you mentioned, SoundHound or Shazam gets acquired. It's like literally built into your quick settings on the iPhone now. And you literally do not need an app separately on your phone. If you have a Google phone, you can just hold, hold it up in the air and it'll just tell you what song is playing without you even asking.
5:17 Speaker 01 Uh, and of course, Google Assistant, if you hum a song can tell you it, which is what SoundHound was better at than Shazam back in the day, but now Sherlocked. You don't need any of them. It's built into your phone.
5:27 David Imel? Yeah, I, I'm actually surprised that Siri never got rid of the Shazam branding. Cause I don't think younger people know what Shazam is, cause that was only a thing for like our generation.
5:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:38 David Imel? And it still is called Shazam. It's still the Shazam icon in your quick settings. When you identify a song, it brings up the Shazam app. I feel like, I don't know, at this point, Apple should just.
5:49 Speaker 01 It's like a verb though. It's a strong enough brand. It's like Kleenex. Like I'm gonna Shazam it.
5:53 Andrew Manganelli? It was. I think it's.
5:54 Speaker 01 But you, yeah, now.
5:55 David Imel? Older people.
5:56 Speaker 01 Yeah. For us, older people, we know what Shazam it means.
6:00 David Imel? Yeah.
6:01 Speaker 01 If you're younger than a certain age, if I say Shazam it, maybe you don't know what that means.
6:05 David Imel? Usually people just say, what's the song? And then it does it, you know?
6:09 Speaker 01 But do they not know that it's, I guess they don't know.
6:11 David Imel? I don't think they know it's Shazam.
6:12 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know.
6:13 David Imel? When they think Shazam, they think the like superhero movie.
6:16 Andrew Manganelli? The Shaq one? That's way older than actual Shazam.
6:20 David Imel? No, the new one, the new one.
6:21 Speaker 01 There's a new Shazam?
6:22 David Imel? Isn't that what it is?
6:23 Andrew Manganelli? Shazam, yeah.
6:23 David Imel? Yeah.
6:24 Speaker 01 Damn.
6:24 David Imel? The kid that turns into the big buff guy? Yeah. And I heard it was pretty good.
6:29 Andrew Manganelli? Does it remake Shazam?
6:31 David Imel? It was like five years ago.
6:33 Andrew Manganelli? That's definitely a remake, then. That's crazy.
6:36 David Imel? Yeah.
6:36 Andrew Manganelli? But yeah, no.
6:37 David Imel? It was apparently good. I think there's a second one, too. Anyway.
6:41 Andrew Manganelli? The, um, I forgot about, I do use the Pixel, like, what's playing thing all the time.
6:46 David Imel? Yeah.
6:46 Andrew Manganelli? Like, I just like instinctively, yeah, at a restaurant or something, just double tap my, like, phone to just see what it is.
6:52 David Imel? It's a great feature.
6:53 Andrew Manganelli? It really is.
6:54 David Imel? Google had this run for multiple years where every single year when a new Pixel came out, they had new ambient computing features that just, like, lived on your phone, and it was so great.
7:02 Andrew Manganelli? I was thinking of a studio video idea the other day. Maybe it could be a podcast, but like, tier listing the top gimmicks on phones.
7:09 David Imel? Oh.
7:10 Andrew Manganelli? Like, which ones actually became things. Like, back then, it was like, oh, this is cool. It shows that it can do it, but none of us really care. And then years later, you're like, no, I still use that pretty often.
7:19 David Imel? We're all still using Soli every day.
7:20 Speaker 01 We can do like a, like a tier list of those, like.
7:23 Andrew Manganelli? I think a tier list of.
7:24 Speaker 01 Like, privacy screen is like B tier, probably.
7:28 David Imel? Yeah.
7:29 Speaker 01 On Samsung phones.
7:30 Andrew Manganelli? LG Wing, S plus tier.
7:31 Speaker 01 Just. Or like, uh, there are some bad ones, too. Obviously, the Soli stuff with the LG phones.
7:37 David Imel? Hemoglobin.
7:39 Andrew Manganelli? Vane ID.
7:39 David Imel? Vane ID.
7:40 Speaker 01 The fact that I know what you mean when you do hemoglobin is insane, but yes, that was like an F tier.
7:46 David Imel? G7 thin Q, baby.
7:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:48 David Imel? What a great, great phone. Yeah, Soli for sure.
7:52 Andrew Manganelli? Cool. We also have an update I wanted to throw in here. Joanna Stern tweeted about this this morning, but we've talked about it on the pod also, that Meta is pushing a mandatory software update to stop people's Meta glasses that have their LEDs drilled out. If you cover up the LED, it can, it knows that you're doing that, and therefore you can record without it, or you can't record. But people were finding ways to drill out the LEDs to kill the light for recording secretly, which is creepy and should never happen. Joanna Stern did a great video on it. We talked about it. Meta even brought it up at the launch of their last pair of glasses. Apparently, they're finally pushing an update to stop people from tampering. I'm hoping that means they.
8:35 Andrew Manganelli? Figured out how to, uh, anyone who's already done it be able to tell.
8:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:41 Andrew Manganelli? Cause the way they were doing it was this extremely specific way that like, I guess the glasses couldn't tell it got tampered with.
8:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, the current was still going through, but the LED was just not there.
8:50 Andrew Manganelli? Not showing, okay.
8:51 Speaker 01 So the glasses thought that it was still pushing the, the current to the LED, but there was no LED.
8:56 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
8:57 Speaker 01 So I think they probably figured out a way around that.
9:00 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I hope they found, I hope this actually works. Um, I still think they're like, should be red and I think it should be recording literally anytime the camera is accessing information at all. Cause we saw that stuff about like activating AI or, and that's actually recording stuff. So.
9:16 Speaker 01 Initiative to push notification to everyone in a five mile radius.
9:21 Andrew Manganelli? But while I wish it was, you know, those things were still there, give them credit, good step, fix that, or hopefully that's fixed because.
9:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:29 Andrew Manganelli? That LED needs to be recording.
9:31 Speaker 01 For sure.
9:31 Andrew Manganelli? Um, okay.
9:32 Speaker 04 Wait, you mean the LED needs to be lit?
9:34 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
9:34 Speaker 04 While.
9:35 Andrew Manganelli? While recording.
9:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:36 Speaker 04 Yep.
9:36 Andrew Manganelli? Yes. Thank you.
9:38 Speaker 01 Another update. I got an email.
9:40 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, my guys got an email.
9:42 Speaker 01 I got a certain email.
9:43 Speaker 04 That's it. That's the news.
9:45 Speaker 01 Yeah. It was an email that I, you know, I get a lot of emails. This is when I, I paused for a while and I was like trying to remember what it was even about. But it goes like this. Hi, I'm Daniel, the founder and CEO of Pickle. We promised Pickle one by the end of June and we missed that date. That's entirely on us and I'm sincerely sorry. We have decided to cancel this preorder batch and refund every deposit. The units need more work to meet the standard we promised you. So we are returning your money now while we continue to build. And I went, oh, right.
10:17 Speaker 04 Yeah.
10:18 Speaker 01 I pre-ordered a pickle. I did preorder a pickle. Remember like how many weeks ago was it that we talked about these random?
10:23 Andrew Manganelli? Weeks?
10:24 Speaker 01 AI. Months, probably. Yeah. These random AI startups that are trying to do interesting hardware.
10:30 Andrew Manganelli? Well, Pickle was January.
10:31 Speaker 01 Pickle.
10:32 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
10:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, that was one of them.
10:33 David Imel? Yeah.
10:33 Speaker 01 And they, you know, there are some people on Twitter who were sort of declaring ahead of time that they were not going to ship on time and they didn't, obviously.
10:41 Andrew Manganelli? Well, yeah, if you forget what Pickle was, we talked about in January, they were a pair of glasses. They were very slim, kind of funky looking, but like if, if you think about Snap specs and think about the, what Pickle showed, these actually looked like glasses. The difference is Snap specs are real. Pickle, no one ever thought was going to be real.
11:01 Speaker 01 Fair enough. Debatable.
11:03 Andrew Manganelli? I'm, I don't know. They, so they were, uh, what they claimed the world's first soul computer. I was reading back our old doc on this and it's more insane than I thought it was.
11:13 David Imel? Oh, no.
11:13 Andrew Manganelli? First ever soul computer. There were 68 grams, had binocular, full color AR displays, the widest field of view or brightness of any AR display glasses, lightest personal computer in history. And they had a Pickle OS, which was a memory-based operating system that would, through your camera and live streams, record your memories and turn them into bubbles in Pickle OS that you could then look back on. And if it sounds like I just [bleep] had a fever dream and went off the deep end, I promise all of this stuff from the video. And that was in January and then Daniel Park and them haven't really tweeted since February.
11:52 Speaker 01 I have a feeling a lot of the stuff that we talked about in that video probably aged very well. Because most of what people are saying when this video came out was like, oh, this is not real. This is, you're promising a product that clearly doesn't exist with technology that's not available yet and a price tag that seems impossible. And like all this stuff just doesn't seem realistic. And so now, now that I did put down a deposit and I'm getting this email, I'm like, being reminded of those takes, which is like, yeah, this is probably not going to happen anytime soon.
12:19 Andrew Manganelli? I think we went a step further and said, I thought the demos in it were fake.
12:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:24 Andrew Manganelli? There was like live demos that didn't match up with the resolutions they were promising.
12:30 Speaker 01 And they tried to insist that they were real?
12:32 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, it said live demo with big red and was recording. It had this like little cat avatar that could follow you around or different avatars and all this kind of wild stuff that just, it's one of those things where we're seeing these huge companies try so hard to make. Dual display AR glasses and then some guy comes out of nowhere promising all these things. It's just, it always seemed like it was gonna be fake.
12:56 Speaker 01 Hashtag.
12:56 David Imel? In their defense, at least they did a full refund.
13:00 Andrew Manganelli? Well, here's what I'm confused about. For batch one, when we made our recording in January, they were taking pre-orders for batch two, which was promised for the end of this year. So I don't know what this means. Is there going to be a batch two still? Or are they just not gonna refund batch two people till December when they clearly won't ship this?
13:20 David Imel? So to be clear, are they saying that they will eventually ship this product? Or are they just kinda giving up on timelines?
13:26 Speaker 01 No, they're, they're going, they're both. They're still trying to ship it, but they're like, this needs more time. So the people who paid a whole bunch to get theirs early, we're gonna refund that bit that you paid to be early.
13:35 David Imel? Okay, but they're not giving a new estimated delivery day?
13:38 Speaker 01 No.
13:39 Andrew Manganelli? I'm confused by refund in full because they just give you all your money back, right? I wonder if batch two got their money back. Would that then put batch two ahead of batch one? Since you got all of your money back and they didn't?
13:50 David Imel? They didn't really get your money back because what's the inflation rate been since you put your money in? That's called interest free loan, baby. Damn.
13:58 Speaker 03 Do you still have a preorder or did they just give you your money back?
14:01 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, you still have a preorder?
14:02 Speaker 01 No, you still, yeah. It doesn't cancel your order. It just means, hey, you don't get it yet.
14:06 Speaker 03 So do you have to buy it again? You have to give them the money back again when you want the glasses?
14:10 Speaker 01 I think you didn't.
14:11 Speaker 03 Or do you get free glasses?
14:11 Speaker 01 You didn't pay for the, you just paid a preorder.
14:14 Speaker 03 Deposit?
14:14 Speaker 01 Deposit. You didn't pay the whole price of the glasses.
14:17 Speaker 03 How much are the glasses gonna cost? I don't even remember.
14:19 Andrew Manganelli? Uh, it's like 1300 bucks. Um, or I think they were selling them for like 800 or 900 for, if you got the early adopter, we're gonna ghost you after you pay us. Great.
14:32 Andrew Manganelli? But yeah, this, this is, um, it's so weird. None of them. The pickle account hasn't tweeted since the launch video and then Daniel Park, the CEO, tweeted like one more time afterwards. Uh, and I've seen nothing from them. But it all just kind of shows the foreshadowing that was Daniel Park's Twitter bio that said, I'm in a pickle. Thought he was being cute with that.
14:55 Andrew Manganelli? Kind of bit him in the ass a little bit.
14:56 Speaker 01 Turns out to be accurate.
14:57 Andrew Manganelli? Very accurate. Wasn't lying.
14:59 David Imel? AI startup.
15:00 Andrew Manganelli? Yep.
15:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:01 Andrew Manganelli? All right.
15:02 Speaker 01 Well.
15:02 Andrew Manganelli? We all, none of us think this is shipping by the end of the year, right? Or ever. I'll go ever.
15:07 Speaker 01 Yeah. It's in the same vaporware category as a lot of other things that we've talked about.
15:11 David Imel? Yeah.
15:12 Speaker 01 Like the roadster and Robo Taxi. Well.
15:19 Andrew Manganelli? Friend AI, all the AI pins.
15:22 David Imel? Friend is technically available.
15:23 Speaker 01 Absolutely. I have one. Yeah.
15:25 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
15:26 David Imel? You've never.
15:26 Andrew Manganelli? Does it work? Do you, I'm still not sure if you actually have Friend AI or some other AI like pendant. And then every time we talk about this, we're like, I don't remember which.
15:35 Speaker 01 I'll double check, but I think.
15:36 David Imel? Friend, I'm pretty sure is available. It's just like, nobody uses it.
15:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, why would they?
15:40 David Imel? Exactly.
15:42 Speaker 03 Sorry.
15:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, this one is the one I have. Yeah.
15:44 Andrew Manganelli? We have another pendant also.
15:45 Speaker 01 I think I have two of this, two boxes of this. I haven't taken it out the box yet.
15:49 Andrew Manganelli? We need to take those things out.
15:50 Speaker 01 Maybe I should.
15:51 David Imel? That was the AI hardware era.
15:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:53 Speaker 03 That was like, it's already over.
15:55 Speaker 01 It's over.
15:56 Speaker 03 No one tell Johnny Ive.
16:00 Speaker 01 I don't know if their product is ever coming out.
16:03 Speaker 03 I think.
16:04 Speaker 01 A little fun with circular financing, you know what I mean?
16:06 Speaker 03 I think their product is coming out.
16:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:09 Speaker 03 I've heard enough echo through the cracks of New York City that at this point, they've thrown so much money and personnel at it that.
16:17 Speaker 01 They've done the same to the entire AI industry.
16:20 Speaker 03 That is true.
16:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:21 Speaker 03 That is true.
16:22 Speaker 01 Well, speaking of products that did come out. Yep. Uh, yeah, for real, for real. Uh, we had the Nothing Phone 4B drop this past week. I reviewed it, did a video about it. You can watch that. The summary is the B stands for budget. So Nothing. This is. I gotta, I gotta get this right. Okay. So Nothing makes a bunch of phones that are budget friendly in price.
16:50 Speaker 03 And that's what the B stands for, right?
16:51 Speaker 01 No.
16:52 Speaker 03 Oh.
16:52 Speaker 01 So they have a flagship phone in their own lineup. It's not a high end phone, but it is their flagship. That is the Nothing Phone 3, but it is a bit more budget than the like premium Snapdragon 8 Elite flagships or whatever. But they also have the A series that is like a more budget phone than their flagship.
17:12 David Imel? But not CMF, which is their budget brand.
17:15 Andrew Manganelli? But it's also the 4A.
17:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, so they have a 4A.
17:20 Andrew Manganelli? But the 3 is their flagship.
17:21 Speaker 01 The 3 is their flagship. They haven't done a new flagship because of reasons. Don't worry about that. But they have a 4. I'm gonna just go to the site to make sure I'm getting this right.
17:28 David Imel? Ramses.
17:30 Speaker 01 So, but yeah, they have a 4A and they also have a 4A Pro, which is like a more premium, but still less than their flagship budget version of their phone. Anyway, don't worry about that. They also now have a B series phone and that is even less expensive. But they also have a sub-brand called CMF that's even less expensive typically than the Nothing phones. My theory was that this was going to be the next high-end pro CMF phone. But you know, we've talked about this RAM shortage and all the, the memory increase in prices and all this stuff. And I, I don't think they would have been able to get the build materials low enough to make another CMF phone for under $300.
18:14 David Imel? I got a tip from a source after our last episode about this that said that is exactly what was, what happened.
18:21 Speaker 01 Well, I feel very validated then.
18:22 David Imel? It was gonna be the CMF Phone 3 Pro or whatever. And they knew that nobody would buy it at the price they had to sell it at. And then people would be very mad that it was branded CMF if it cost them much money.
18:35 Speaker 01 That's incredible because that's exactly what I said in my review.
18:37 David Imel? Yeah.
18:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:38 David Imel? And so it's the only reason that they made it the 4B. Otherwise, they probably would never have made a B series.
18:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:45 Andrew Manganelli? Well, it's not working out very well for them because subreddit is not happy about it. Two of the top three posts this week on the Nothing subreddit are just, it just says horrible pricing. And then one saying the Nothing phone with a chin isn't a Nothing phone.
19:01 David Imel? It may have to see my phone.
19:02 Andrew Manganelli? People are not happy about that. Actually, that's a really good point.
19:05 Speaker 01 I have thoughts on that. That's so funny. First of all, I do, so it does have a slight chin. I do think generally people overreact to the chins and renders on phones they were never gonna buy anyway.
19:15 Speaker 01 This does not have a folding.
19:16 David Imel? You can't even buy this in the US if you wanted to.
19:18 Speaker 01 Correct. This is Europe, Asia, India, Australia, probably some of South America, but not coming to the US. So it's 330.
19:29 Speaker 01 Pounds, right?
19:31 Andrew Manganelli? Pounds, yeah.
19:31 Speaker 01 And 300 great-
19:33 David Imel? It's pretty heavy.
19:34 Speaker 01 Euros, it's 300 euros.
19:35 Andrew Manganelli? No, Great British Pounds.
19:36 Speaker 01 300 Great British Pounds or 330 euros.
19:38 David Imel? Are Great British Pounds different than American Pounds?
19:40 Speaker 01 Yes. Either way, it is not the cheapest phone in the world, but I do think this is part of a larger trend of like, phones are just starting to cost more and more, and this is not instinctively like a really, really great deal, but it is a solid phone that is cheaper than their other solid phones. So it's an AMOLED still, it's not an LCD. It is 8 gigs of RAM still. It is 128 gigs of storage to start. It has a 6,000 milliampere battery in India, or 5,200 milliampere in the other markets.
20:12 David Imel? Why is it bigger in India?
20:14 Speaker 01 They have two different specs, one for India, one for the rest of the world. The India one doesn't have NFC, because that saves a little money and India doesn't really use NFC that much. But they also fit a larger battery in it, so it's like, they just have a different SKU for India.
20:28 David Imel? So it's like the 4BB?
20:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, basically. B for basically. But it's also not a high-end chip. It's a Snapdragon 6 Gen 4. It's like not a particularly high-end chip. It's not a, it's 120 Hz display, and that's nice. But it's like a pretty mediocre set of two cameras, 50 megapixel main camera, and then an 8 megapixel ultra-wide. It's not blowing anybody's minds with performance. It's just like a solid nothing phone that's cheaper than the other nothing phones. So that's why B stands for budget. They refuse to say it, but I'll say it. It's the budget one.
21:03 Andrew Manganelli? My favorite part in the video you made is when you show the graph of all the performance. Everyone's just like, wow, Tencent really taking shots here?
21:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, the Tencent G2 is right around the same CPU performance level as this super low-end Snapdragon chip, which is also right around the same level as the OnePlus 7 Pro.
21:30 David Imel? Oh.
21:30 Speaker 01 It's not a new phone.
21:31 David Imel? That's a pretty old phone.
21:32 Speaker 01 It's a pretty old phone.
21:33 David Imel? I was still reviewing phones for a living when that came out.
21:35 Speaker 01 I'm using a OnePlus 15 right now. So, yeah.
21:39 David Imel? Yeah.
21:39 Speaker 01 It's definitely lacking, and I think the people on the subreddit are probably not gonna be happy about the performance. They're probably not gonna be happy about price to performance ratio, but yeah, it's aight. It's a nothing phone. I think you could be a lot harsher on it if you were looking, if you're comparing it to other phones in its price class, things like the Moto G, Stylist, things like, you could probably say some like the A series from Samsung.
22:04 David Imel? They have way better software. I mean, I'd buy a nothing phone over a Moto G.
22:08 Speaker 01 I agree.
22:08 David Imel? Samsung A series any day.
22:10 Speaker 01 Exactly.
22:10 David Imel? So.
22:11 Speaker 01 But different, you know, upsides for different phones in this price category.
22:14 David Imel? Yeah.
22:15 Speaker 01 And they're also all going to be getting more expensive, unfortunately.
22:17 David Imel? Yeah. It's all about expectations, and I think the fact that nothing sort of cemented, because they just took the OnePlus approach from way back in the day where it was like the cheapest possible price for the best possible specs, and then build the community around that.
22:31 Speaker 01 It's harder than ever.
22:32 David Imel? Yeah, it's harder than ever to actually have that in the world with RAM.
22:37 Speaker 01 What do you think of the design?
22:39 David Imel? I think it's kinda ugly.
22:40 Speaker 01 Really?
22:41 David Imel? Yeah, and I'm not in love with it. I don't love the like, the sort of like matte blue.
22:49 Speaker 01 I think the color itself is nice, but the finish and the feel in the hand is actually kinda cheap, unfortunately. It is a plastic phone.
22:56 David Imel? Yeah.
22:56 Speaker 01 But I think it's cool that it comes in blue. The white version, I think, looks nice. All of these phones have black buttons, so it's a nice contrast with the black button.
23:04 Andrew Manganelli? I think it looks fine. It just looks like they got a little lazy in the camera bump with like, nothing has all of these fun things they do, which can make you be like, cool, this is a really sick-looking phone, and this was like, we put the little glyph bar and a couple fake screws and...
23:20 David Imel? This is very similar to the whole like Ferrari Luce thing, where if it wasn't a Ferrari, people would actually think it's kinda cool. If this was a CMF phone, I'd be like, that's like one of their best-looking CMF phones.
23:34 Speaker 01 That's true.
23:34 David Imel? But as a nothing phone, I'm just kinda like, eh, it looks pretty...
23:38 Andrew Manganelli? Something about the orange of CMF and knowing it's plastic, you're expecting the plastic, where the nothing is like, you're expecting a little more premium build quality out of it.
23:47 David Imel? Yeah.
23:48 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
23:48 David Imel? It even has the little like weird circle thing.
23:50 Andrew Manganelli? It does have the circle.
23:51 David Imel? Which the CMF.
23:52 Andrew Manganelli? But uh, didn't one of the other Nothing Phones have it?
23:54 David Imel? Yeah, it's possible.
23:55 Andrew Manganelli? What circle thing?
23:56 David Imel? In the bottom.
23:57 Speaker 01 Oh, in the corner. Yeah, I noticed that. I held it up next to the CMF phone. That shot didn't make the video, but it's kinda like, why is that there? It seems like it's.
24:04 David Imel? Maybe because it was supposed to be a CMF phone and they just rebranded it.
24:07 Speaker 01 It feels like one of those things where like a, like a mammal evolves and doesn't have a tail anymore, but they still have a tailbone. It feels like a vestigial, like, little bump on the corner of the phone. Like, oh yeah, this is not a CMF phone anymore.
24:18 David Imel? I think that the CMF phone sort of like moniker branding is having that little nub in the bottom corner.
24:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:25 David Imel? And I would bet you.
24:25 Andrew Manganelli? So this is on the other corner, which is weird.
24:27 David Imel? Ah, well, I mean.
24:29 Speaker 01 Still.
24:29 David Imel? But it hasn't been in any Nothing Phones before, right?
24:31 Andrew Manganelli? No, I don't see it in.
24:32 David Imel? So I'm betting you that this was supposed to be a CMF phone and at the last minute, they just made a marketing decision.
24:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:38 David Imel? Yeah, that's really interesting.
24:40 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, no, never mind. This one does. What, what is this?
24:42 David Imel? The 3 Pro.
24:43 Andrew Manganelli? No, this, is this 3 Pro?
24:45 David Imel? Yeah.
24:46 Speaker 01 The Nothing Phone has it?
24:47 David Imel? Yeah, that's the 3 Pro.
24:48 Speaker 01 Okay, so they have had it in other Nothing Phones.
24:50 David Imel? Okay.
24:51 Speaker 01 But.
24:51 David Imel? Alright.
24:52 Speaker 01 It does still kinda give CMF vibes.
24:54 David Imel? Oh, is it 4 Pro?
24:57 Speaker 01 4A doesn't have it.
24:59 Andrew Manganelli? What's that?
24:59 David Imel? Oh, it's 4A Pro.
25:00 Speaker 01 4A Pro does have it.
25:01 Andrew Manganelli? 4A Pro, yes.
25:01 David Imel? That's an A?
25:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, but it's A Pro.
25:05 David Imel? Right.
25:06 Speaker 01 So it's, it's a little better than the A.
25:08 David Imel? Just like Charlie XCX.
25:09 Speaker 01 Yeah. There's also a 3A Lite, by the way. Did you know that?
25:12 Andrew Manganelli? No. Are you kidding?
25:14 Speaker 01 We, we, you know, we talked about this phone.
25:16 Speaker 03 Explain your Charlie XCX. What do you, what do you mean?
25:18 David Imel? She's like their official ambassador.
25:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, in case you missed the news, this is huge news.
25:23 Speaker 03 No, I think I remember this now that you.
25:24 Speaker 01 Charlie XCX is a brand ambassador for Nothing.
25:26 David Imel? I'm so sad that they got rid of the sent from Twitter for my phone thing. It was so fun.
25:31 Speaker 01 That was a good time.
25:32 David Imel? Cause there's no way, there's no way. But, you know, it is, she does live in the UK, so look, people use Android phones in, everywhere else in the United, in the world, besides the.
25:42 Andrew Manganelli? Everywhere else in the United States.
25:44 David Imel? In the world, besides the United States.
25:46 Speaker 01 So just to be clear, their whole lineup is a Nothing Phone 3.
25:50 David Imel? Okay.
25:50 Speaker 01 Then the Nothing Phone 4A Pro, then the Nothing Phone 4A, then the Nothing Phone.
26:00 Speaker 01 3A, no, 4B, then 3A Lite. Then, hmm, I don't think you, they don't still sell the 3A Pro. They don't still sell the 3As, so they just have 4As now. So I think 4A Lite is gone. There is no, 3A Lite is gone and there's no 4A Lite. So it's just 4B now.
26:22 David Imel? They just need to do what Razer did way back in the day.
26:26 Andrew Manganelli? I think that hurt. That actively hurt me.
26:29 David Imel? They just need to do what Razer did back in the day where they just started branding everything the year it was released.
26:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:35 David Imel? Yeah.
26:35 Speaker 01 That's what Samsung's doing.
26:36 David Imel? Although, to be honest, they release so many phones per year that that.
26:39 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, that's the hard part.
26:41 David Imel? Yeah.
26:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:42 Andrew Manganelli? Well, they did release something else.
26:44 David Imel? Yeah.
26:45 Andrew Manganelli? The Nothing Ear 3A, which maybe is also a little confusing because the previous version of this was the Nothing Ear A. And now we're on Nothing 3.
26:54 David Imel? Do they have a 2A?
26:55 Andrew Manganelli? Ear 3A, no.
26:56 David Imel? They didn't?
26:57 Andrew Manganelli? No.
26:57 David Imel? Then why is it 3A?
26:59 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know.
27:00 David Imel? Tim.
27:00 Andrew Manganelli? I would say to match the current volume, but that's 4.
27:02 David Imel? But that's 4. Oh.
27:06 David Imel? Somewhat. Akis needs to answer for his sins. I need to know.
27:09 Andrew Manganelli? Anyways, $99, just like the original Ear A. Case looks just like the old one, which I use the Ear A at home and the Ear 3. Oh, maybe it's matching the ear number. So ears at ear 3.
27:24 David Imel? Okay.
27:24 Andrew Manganelli? So that's what it's matching.
27:25 David Imel? Sure.
27:26 Andrew Manganelli? I use the Ear 3s at the gym here at work. I like the case of the Ear A better. And I really don't feel like there's a huge difference between the two buds. So I would go with the cheap version any day of the week.
27:37 David Imel? Yeah, they're good for what their price, they're good.
27:40 Andrew Manganelli? No, they're, they're the earbuds I keep finding myself coming back to. I know I give nothing a lot of hell on this podcast, but for whatever reason, those earbuds I've been using for so long.
27:51 David Imel? I think those are some of their best products, for sure.
27:53 Andrew Manganelli? And now that there's a $99 version, I think that's almost my like go-to recommendation if you don't have an iPhone and want.
27:59 David Imel? Yeah.
27:59 Andrew Manganelli? AirPods.
28:00 David Imel? Yeah.
28:01 Andrew Manganelli? There's three, or sorry, four colors, white, black, yellow, which we've seen before, and now pink. My biggest issue is all of the color is either on the case or on like the inside part of the earbud that goes in your ear. So you don't see it. The other colors are just the black stems. So I think that could be pretty cool if they incorporated a little more into the stems. They're also adding something called Audio Snapshot, which I'm going to explain and you can tell me what, why. It is the ability to, the case has 32 megabytes of storage in it and you can record I'm what you're listening to, it says, I'm assuming also what you're saying into the microphone,
28:41 Andrew Manganelli? but also what you're listening to. And I can't figure out why you would want to do that. I'm sure somebody can think of something, a whole phone call, maybe locally.
28:52 Speaker 01 That would be cool.
28:53 Andrew Manganelli? I was like, trying to think of it, if it's like, do you know?
28:55 Speaker 04 Also illegal in some states.
28:57 Andrew Manganelli? That's so they, they specifically say this is for personal, non-commercial use only, which makes me think is their weird lawyer way of being like, please don't just record a bunch of music off of Spotify and like steal it for local backup, but.
29:11 Speaker 01 Yeah. How does that work? Yeah. So, wait a minute. So you can record, so anything, anything that's going to the wireless headphones, like any feed that's playing, you can record.
29:20 Andrew Manganelli? My entire knowledge of this feature is one sentence that says you can record what you hear.
29:27 Speaker 01 They don't give like a what this is useful for.
29:30 Andrew Manganelli? I'm not entirely sure.
29:31 Speaker 01 On their website.
29:32 Andrew Manganelli? Or I missed it.
29:33 Speaker 01 Like if you try to screenshot certain apps that have like a Netflix video, it will not let you because you're not allowed to. If you are listening to copyrighted content and you record it with the feature in the app, does it still work?
29:48 Andrew Manganelli? I have no idea.
29:49 Speaker 01 I guess we'll have to find out.
29:50 Andrew Manganelli? Apparently it records and can store onto the case storage and then be accessed through the Nothing X app where you can then edit or share it.
29:58 Speaker 04 So you can definitely.
29:59 Andrew Manganelli? Transcribe it, which actually sounds cool.
30:01 Speaker 04 Yeah, I was gonna say, that's one of the features. You can definitely record conversations because one of the things that they're showing on the website is call recording and you can save up to two hours of conversations and online meetings. And then in the app.
30:12 Andrew Manganelli? That probably makes the most sense, especially if it's going to Nothing X app. They like all the AI stuff. So being able to save.
30:18 Speaker 04 I'm fairly certain that's still illegal in some states, though. It's like some states are two-party, like you need to tell the person I'm about to record, is that okay?
30:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, but the iPhone still has a record this call feature.
30:29 Speaker 04 That's true.
30:29 Speaker 01 You know, it's not like, it's up to you to follow the law. It's not up to like.
30:35 Speaker 04 There are rules.
30:36 Speaker 01 There are laws.
30:38 David Imel? Yeah, I mean, on the website, it does say one of the features that says capture calls plus media. I don't really see anything on the page that talks about what it's useful for. Oh, here we go.
30:48 Andrew Manganelli? A call and transcribing sounds.
30:49 David Imel? New audio snapshot and call recording feature lets you capture all the things you hear while better active noise cancel. Okay, you're right. They just mentioned it exists. They don't really mention what you should use it for. I think since Carl pay is so long on AI stuff, I think his probably intention for it is all of these like AI pendants and stuff are like, oh, quickly record a thought that you have like these, um, these rings. A big feature of the rings is just to be able to like tell an idea to your ring so that it can get saved somewhere. And then it's like your second brain. I would guess that is what they want to market these for too.
31:26 Andrew Manganelli? With one step further, because you don't like to just do thoughts, you don't need to record the audio that's playing. Yeah. So I think like conversations, meetings, we're seeing all these different things of like how to record full meetings.
31:39 Speaker 04 So to that point, have you tried it yet for meetings?
31:42 Andrew Manganelli? No.
31:43 Speaker 04 Because I tried it the other day when we had our special podcast meeting. No, it was, um, was it notion?
31:49 Andrew Manganelli? Notion pops up every time I have like a huddle or anything.
31:52 Speaker 04 I know it does. It was Google Meet and when we had our special podcast meeting for upcoming episodes, stay tuned. I asked it to record and summarize the meeting just to like try it out, see what it did. It gave me nothing useful by the end of it, like it was completely useless. What was the point of letting you listen to this?
32:09 Andrew Manganelli? That was probably.
32:10 Speaker 04 It was Google.
32:11 Speaker 03 It's because Google makes money.
32:12 David Imel? I, I just did a Google one and it was really helpful.
32:15 Speaker 04 Was it short?
32:16 David Imel? No, it was an hour long.
32:17 Speaker 04 This was an hour long and it was complete. It was like, try to figure out this. And I was like, yeah, but we resolved that issue. Like we solved it and it like the summary just completely ignored the, the solution.
32:27 Andrew Manganelli? To be fair, the majority of that meeting was like six people at a table and like one or two people on the video call. So it would have had to just listen to mostly people talking at a table back and forth.
32:39 Speaker 04 That is, that is what a meeting is.
32:41 Speaker 03 No, no, but most. Multi-modal super intelligence.
32:43 Andrew Manganelli? Online meetings are like.
32:44 Speaker 03 No excuses.
32:45 Andrew Manganelli? I think most remote meetings are all the individual people have their own microphone and.
32:51 David Imel? Oh, I disagree. That's maybe for a fully remote company, but most companies are like sitting in a room with one or two people remote.
32:57 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I think, I think the thing inside Google Meet is probably, I'm not trying to, I don't want to be the guy defending Google. I like
33:05 David Imel? I don't know how, going back to this, I don't know how much of a useful feature this actually is.
33:10 Andrew Manganelli? It's, but it's $99 for a cool pair of headphones. That's all I care about. I think that's why they're cool. Who cares about audio snapshot? The stupid microphone thing in ear three, no one uses, so.
33:20 David Imel? The microphone thing?
33:21 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, you don't even remember it.
33:23 David Imel? Microphone in the case.
33:24 Andrew Manganelli? It's like in the case, so you can talk to your case like a road go wire.
33:30 David Imel? Forgot about that. Didn't that not work because Android didn't support it or something when it launched?
33:34 Andrew Manganelli? I have no idea.
33:34 David Imel? I think it, it did work and you could use it as like a mic for your call, if you're in a super loud bar.
33:40 Andrew Manganelli? Sounded bad and then everyone told you weren't holding it close enough to your mouth, even though you were like.
33:45 David Imel? Right up to your mouth.
33:45 Andrew Manganelli? Put it inside your mouth.
33:46 David Imel? I will say like, they, they have a bunch of press photos of people wearing these buds and you can see the color.
33:52 Andrew Manganelli? A little bit, but you could see it more if they just actually made the stems different, but it's probably too many. That's why I think the white ones look the best because the stems are white.
34:00 David Imel? There might be an element though of like, you see a flash of pink or a flash of yellow in someone's ear and it kind of makes you do a double take. Maybe that's what their marketing strategy is, is try to get people to look twice.
34:11 Andrew Manganelli? I think their marketing strategy is the stem, they don't need to make four different stems. They can only make, they make two stems instead.
34:17 David Imel? Yeah, that's their production strategy.
34:20 Andrew Manganelli? Production, yeah.
34:20 David Imel? Yeah. Okay. Well, I don't know. They're still good. I mean, I would like to try these ones. They're generally good for a hundred dollars and.
34:27 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
34:28 David Imel? You know?
34:29 Andrew Manganelli? I like them.
34:30 David Imel? All right. Well, since we have nothing more before our ad break.
34:36 David Imel? Except for trivia.
34:38 Speaker 01 Then we should do that.
34:39 David Imel? I guess we should do that.
34:42 Speaker 03 I really wanted to make this question about
34:45 Andrew Manganelli? Me?
34:46 Speaker 03 Internal code names and pickle stuff. But I discovered today, if you search the words Google code name and then any word in parentheses to like force, give you results, AI overview will just invent a fake Google product and say that was its code name. Any word. I pushed it really, really far. But today's question is about pickles because Daniel Park's bio, as we mentioned, is in a pickle or some in a hashtag pickle, hashtag in a pickle, whatever. I got his name right, right?
35:20 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, Daniel Park.
35:23 Speaker 03 But I would like to ask you guys today, what famous English language author actually coined the idiom, the colloquialism in a pickle?
35:34 Andrew Manganelli? I thought this was gonna actually be about pickles.
35:35 Speaker 03 He was not the first one to use it, but it is regarded as the place where it became a popular phrase that everyone uses.
35:44 David Imel? You say English?
35:45 Speaker 03 English. It's English language. The first usage I could find was about 40 years before this guy, but it seemed like no one cared about that. And then this guy used it. And all of a sudden, everyone's been saying in a pickle ever since. Yeah, exactly, dude.
36:00 David Imel? Yeah.
36:02 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. I have no idea.
36:03 David Imel? Damn, yeah, no clue. I-
36:05 Speaker 03 I'll give you a hint.
36:08 Speaker 03 English language author.
36:10 David Imel? Got it.
36:10 Andrew Manganelli? Just English language author?
36:11 David Imel? Now I got it. Now I got it.
36:15 Andrew Manganelli? I think that somehow made it first. I thought you said English author. Now, English language could be anyone.
36:21 Speaker 03 He is also an English author, so.
36:24 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, so now I'm back to where I started, which is I have no idea.
36:27 David Imel? I have two. I think I have, there's two that I'm like thinking about.
36:30 Speaker 01 At the end of the video, we'll just like pull out a whiteboard and just write down an author.
36:34 Andrew Manganelli? I'm worried about that part. I'm worried about guessing and looking like an idiot. John Green.
36:40 Speaker 01 Name an author. All right. Well, answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
36:47 Speaker 01 My brain when a non-tech question comes up.
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40:12 Speaker 01 Not too much, because we're going to talk more about them when they actually happen. But the tech companies are Google and Samsung, and they're doing this thing where they're teasing basically exactly what's coming out by showing us what's coming out, but not unveiling everything technically.
40:27 David Imel? Yeah.
40:28 Speaker 01 We can start with Samsung here. Samsung Unpacked, they have had this aspect ratio teaser thing going on on social for a while. Now they have the official Unpacked invitation, which says, it says, "A new shape unfolds." I don't know how you could be any more clear about this. They're going to have a new foldable with a different shape. They even have a sort of a tear-off animation, so you can see exactly what shape the foldable is going to be.
40:52 David Imel? Yeah.
40:53 Speaker 01 It doesn't get any more clear than that. Now we just have to wait to see the actual device and to see if any of our theories are going to come true about it being slightly lower-priced or slightly more mid-range than their Ultra foldable, which is a little taller.
41:06 David Imel? I think it will be, because the rumor is that the Galaxy 8 Fold is going to be called 8 Fold Ultra.
41:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:12 David Imel? And I think this will probably just be... Eightfold wide or something.
41:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:16 David Imel? Uh, but without the Ultra moniker, and it's probably only gonna have a couple of cameras. Uh, it's gonna be the mid-range one, I think, which is kinda sad, cuz I like the Passport style better.
41:25 Speaker 01 I also think it's kinda sad, but I also think it makes sense, only because in Samsung land and a lot of other companies, more cameras equals more pro.
41:34 David Imel? Yeah.
41:35 Speaker 01 Like, pretty strictly. The more cameras it has, the more pro it is. The Galaxy S26 Ultra has a bunch of cameras. If it's a lower-end phone and it's cheaper, it has less cameras, all the way down to their very lowest-end phones, which typically have two cameras.
41:47 David Imel? Yeah. Except for the iPhone Air.
41:49 Speaker 01 Well, so in Apple land, it's actually kind of still true in Apple land, but the iPhone Air messes it all up. Cuz it's more expensive than the base phone, but it has less cameras.
41:57 David Imel? Yeah.
41:57 Speaker 01 So.
41:58 Andrew Manganelli? Nine to five, Google has price rumors. They're in.
42:01 David Imel? Okay.
42:02 Andrew Manganelli? Are these euros? These are euros, right?
42:04 David Imel? Pounds, euros.
42:05 Speaker 01 So.
42:05 David Imel? Work with that.
42:06 Speaker 01 Scandinavia.
42:06 Andrew Manganelli? Z Fold 8, 256, 1999. Z Fold 8 Ultra, 256, 2199.
42:14 David Imel? Okay.
42:15 Speaker 01 That's not a huge difference.
42:16 Andrew Manganelli? It's not a huge difference, although I don't know the conversion rate very well.
42:19 Speaker 01 It's pretty close. Twenty-two hundred euros is twenty-five hundred dollars. That is expensive.
42:25 David Imel? That's a lot.
42:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, not that close. But the difference between.
42:29 Andrew Manganelli? Starting. That's 256.
42:31 David Imel? Damn.
42:31 Speaker 01 And 2,000 euros.
42:32 David Imel? Hundred dollars starting.
42:34 Andrew Manganelli? So, it's not a big gap, though, between them. So do we think it's just, like, slightly less screen real estate and one less camera?
42:43 David Imel? So we think that's just gonna be called the Z Fold 8.
42:46 Andrew Manganelli? I think that's what people seem to be thinking.
42:47 David Imel? That's dumb of them.
42:49 Andrew Manganelli? I don't.
42:50 David Imel? We call it, they should call the Z Fold 8 wide.
42:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, maybe at the expense of making this podcast slightly more useless when the event does happen. What do we think the difference will be between the wide and the full-size 8?
43:02 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, I wish it was only the.
43:04 Speaker 01 If it's the same chip, same RAM, same storage, same display technologies, literally same refresh rate, just different aspect ratio and one less camera and less battery.
43:13 David Imel? It's probably gonna be a chip from last year.
43:15 Speaker 01 In the wide?
43:16 David Imel? Yeah.
43:17 Speaker 01 That would be another way of lowering the price.
43:19 David Imel? Yeah.
43:20 Speaker 01 But it doesn't seem like the price is very low.
43:22 Andrew Manganelli? It doesn't seem, I, I'm starting to think it might just be the different aspect ratio in camera. And if that's probably slightly less total screen real estate, right?
43:32 David Imel? True, yeah.
43:32 Andrew Manganelli? So that's probably the difference in a little less display, one less camera.
43:36 David Imel? Just the camera, slightly smaller, gets rid of the ultramoniker.
43:41 Speaker 01 And you also have a smaller battery if it's a smaller overall phone?
43:44 David Imel? Yeah.
43:44 Andrew Manganelli? Well, and I think the ultramoniker here is less of that it's ultra and more that the other one isn't. It's like a differentiator.
43:51 Speaker 01 Maybe it also has no S Pen support. Maybe it also drops like some of the really, really fringe extra like software features or something that the ultra has.
44:00 David Imel? Plastic.
44:01 Speaker 01 Maybe, maybe privacy display on the ultra or something.
44:04 David Imel? Yeah, true.
44:05 Speaker 01 Stuff like that.
44:06 Andrew Manganelli? It would be crazy to not put, nevermind. Who knows what they're doing?
44:11 David Imel? Who knows what's crazy anymore?
44:12 Andrew Manganelli? I was more worried about it being like a $1,500 foldable. That's like lower on every single aspect of everything.
44:20 Speaker 01 Like a lower end chip.
44:21 Andrew Manganelli? Lower end chip, less RAM, worse camera sensors.
44:24 Speaker 01 Gotcha.
44:25 Andrew Manganelli? Possibly like plastic back. Like that's what they did with Note, Note 10 and Note 10 Ultra or whatever it was.
44:31 Speaker 01 Well, we'll see. July 22nd, we will find out that will be Galaxy Unpacked. A new shape will unfold. The other one is Google and that is happening in August, August 12th. And they are also very, very clear in the photo of it. We literally get to see the Pixel. They've done a good job at not leaking everything into oblivion with the Pixel this year. But they are showing us what looks like the top half of the Pixel 11, which has that round, you know, pilled shaped visor like we've seen for the past couple of years. Not looking forward to a whole ton of change with Pixel design. But I will naively cross my fingers for a big improvement with Tensor.
45:11 David Imel? Well, and then we are supposed to get the Pixel Glow.
45:14 Speaker 01 Is this going to be a glowing visor?
45:15 Andrew Manganelli? Don't believe it.
45:16 Speaker 01 That's what the rumor is.
45:18 Andrew Manganelli? No shot.
45:18 Speaker 01 Kind of feel like they would have teased that more heavily if that's actually.
45:21 David Imel? I agree.
45:24 Andrew Manganelli? But all the rumor sites say that it's probably going to be a glowing visor.
45:28 David Imel? I almost can't imagine Google teasing a new Pixel that has a glowing visor and not
45:34 Andrew Manganelli? saying the glowing thing is happening.
45:36 David Imel? Unless they're trying to save it for the event, make it a big deal.
45:38 Andrew Manganelli? Like, it's glow time. Like, they would be very on the nose about it. Yeah, that's how Apple did a couple of years ago.
45:43 David Imel? A series.
45:44 Andrew Manganelli? But-
45:44 David Imel? Even though it wasn't glow time.
45:46 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, exactly. We'll see. Um, any other leaks that we see with Pixel?
45:50 David Imel? Yeah. They're apparently gonna kill the 128 base color, which is specifically for Andrew.
45:55 Andrew Manganelli? Kill it.
45:55 David Imel? Uh, base m- model, not color.
45:57 Andrew Manganelli? Good start.
45:58 David Imel? Uh, however, it'll be a hundred dollars more expensive.
46:00 Andrew Manganelli? Bad finish.
46:03 Andrew Manganelli? So that is a price hike. I'm tired of people who say, "This isn't a price hike, it was the same price."
46:07 David Imel? I'm tired of pretending it's not!
46:09 Andrew Manganelli? It's, yeah, it's-
46:10 David Imel? Yeah.
46:11 Andrew Manganelli? A higher point of entry, AKA price hike.
46:14 David Imel? I mean, these companies kinda have to do this. Storage is so ridiculously expensive right now.
46:19 Andrew Manganelli? They could've looked really sick last year. Now they just look like fools again.
46:22 David Imel? Yeah, they kinda, they kinda jumped the gun there.
46:24 Andrew Manganelli? Well, they might not be leaking the Pixel that much, but someone did find a Watch 5 in the middle of the ocean.
46:31 David Imel? That did happen, allegedly.
46:33 Andrew Manganelli? We got some more Pixel 5 watch rumors. Um, this does seem like it's getting a price hike. About fifty dollars for each variant, which makes the new starting price 399, but-
46:42 David Imel? Yeah.
46:42 Andrew Manganelli? What I hadn't noticed is the Pixel watches hasn't, it's always been 350. So, five generations in for a price hike? I'll give them some credit there. It's still probably a little expensive for a Pixel watch.
46:53 David Imel? Yeah.
46:54 Andrew Manganelli? There'll be two sizes, 41, 44 millimeters. Both of those have a Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, or LTE model. But there's one new color, so four total colors. Silver, a rat's, uh, I've studied this word and now I'm getting it wrong. We watched a sick video of some guy-
47:10 David Imel? Anthracite.
47:11 Andrew Manganelli? Anthracite. Warm gold and pyrite, which- is fool's gold, which means-
47:17 David Imel? Yeah.
47:17 Andrew Manganelli? They're the same color. I don't think anyone's expecting a solid gold Pixel watch.
47:21 David Imel? Yeah, when they say warm gold, is that supposed to be like some sort of a rose gold, like, warm hue?
47:27 Andrew Manganelli? Version of gold that's different?
47:29 David Imel? The rose gold for iPhone was basically pink.
47:31 Andrew Manganelli? Right.
47:32 David Imel? But the renders of this do not look pink.
47:34 Andrew Manganelli? But naming the other one pyrite, which just looks like gold, it kind of implies that warm gold doesn't look like gold anymore.
47:40 David Imel? I think that's why they had to name it something different.
47:43 Andrew Manganelli? Strange. I'll show you the-
47:44 David Imel? The renders.
47:45 Andrew Manganelli? Uh-
47:46 David Imel? What if warm gold is shiny, like in the picture, and then pyrite is like matte?
47:52 Speaker 01 That would be cool. I would actually be into that.
47:54 Andrew Manganelli? That would be kind of cool.
47:54 David Imel? Google just released the edition edition again. I mean,
47:57 Andrew Manganelli? The what?
47:58 David Imel? The edition edition.
47:59 Speaker 01 The edition.
48:01 David Imel? The Apple Watch edition edition.
48:03 Andrew Manganelli? So like, the swatches kind of look like, Warm Gold looks like gold and Pyrite looks like if you had a
48:11 Speaker 01 Green.
48:11 Andrew Manganelli? Gold colored crayon. Know what I mean? Like, it's really hard to make gold a crayon. Which I guess would be the insane way of saying what Adam said, which is just, it's matte.
48:23 Speaker 01 You remember those sixty-four packs of Crayola crayons?
48:25 David Imel? Yeah.
48:26 Speaker 01 Where they had to name every single one.
48:28 Speaker 03 I'm pretty sure one of them was Pyrite. Unless it was maybe the one twenty-eight ones, but I
48:32 Speaker 01 Maybe.
48:32 Speaker 03 I could have sworn.
48:33 Andrew Manganelli? There's only the two fifty-six base crayons now, so I don't know.
48:37 Speaker 01 Y'all had a hundred twenty-eight gigs of crayons back in the day? That's crazy, bro.
48:41 Speaker 03 The nineties were a wild time.
48:42 Speaker 01 I had that sixty-four gig, yeah. No, I
48:44 Andrew Manganelli? Does not look like there's a Pyrite crayon.
48:46 Speaker 04 There's not a Pyrite crayon?
48:47 David Imel? There's not a Pyrite crayon?
48:49 Speaker 01 I just always remember Pyrite being the one that looks like gold, but that is dramatically less valuable than actual gold, which is why they call it fool's gold. Which also doesn't say a lot about the Pixel Watch.
49:00 David Imel? Yeah.
49:00 Speaker 01 I call it Pyrite, but we'll see.
49:02 David Imel? I grew up in gold country.
49:04 Speaker 01 Oh.
49:04 David Imel? It's like where the gold rush happened. And so we have a mine that is still operating called the Empire Mine.
49:10 Andrew Manganelli? A mime?
49:13 David Imel? That is, whoa, you're kind of mesmerizing right now.
49:16 Speaker 01 Audio listeners will have
49:18 David Imel? Adam was just miming.
49:19 Andrew Manganelli? Podcast worst nightmare, the mime.
49:21 Speaker 01 Well, mine is still operating.
49:23 Speaker 03 Mime podcast would be so funny. Like, I'm in a box, I'm in a box, I'm still in the box, I can't get out of the box, the box is getting smaller.
49:30 Speaker 01 But you can't talk as a mime, that's the whole point.
49:32 Speaker 03 Well, no, if you're a mime podcaster, then it gets reversed, then you can't do anything with your body, but you're just a narrator.
49:37 Speaker 01 There is no video version.
49:38 Andrew Manganelli? That's charades.
49:39 Speaker 01 Is that every podcast?
49:40 Speaker 03 No, charades is regular mime, right?
49:42 Speaker 01 People already don't know if you're doing anything with your body.
49:44 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, no, yeah, you're right. You're right.
49:46 Speaker 03 That's why I'm doing the mime podcast. I'm, anyway, please.
49:49 Speaker 01 But that's the opposite of
49:49 Speaker 03 Tell us about your silly little mind.
49:51 David Imel? All right. It's called the Empire Mine. Anyway, it's still operating. You can go visit it. It's cool. And when we were kids, we used to go there at school and they would show us the difference between real gold and Pyrite. And you could like buy some Pyrite and take it home and fool your parents into thinking that you actually found real gold. And they're like, oh my God, we can escape the permanent underclass. And then you go,
50:13 Andrew Manganelli? April Fools.
50:14 Speaker 01 You fool.
50:14 David Imel? You fool.
50:16 Speaker 04 So.
50:17 Andrew Manganelli? In this swatch leak that I didn't notice, this is new new way mobile. I'm definitely pronouncing that wrong, but it does actually say polished for warm gold and satin for pyrite.
50:28 David Imel? Satin.
50:28 Speaker 04 Nice.
50:28 David Imel? So Matt.
50:29 Speaker 04 Okay.
50:30 David Imel? Okay, Matt Gold. I like that. That's very cool. Well, um, how do we transition this?
50:36 Speaker 04 Am I the only one that remembers a pyrite crayon? I cannot be the only one.
50:40 Andrew Manganelli? I don't have a Mandela effect. No, and people like their crayons. I remember there was a TikTok account once that was just this girl collecting the like sunflower colored crayon.
50:48 Speaker 04 That's awesome.
50:49 Andrew Manganelli? It was way too entertaining.
50:51 David Imel? I have a good idea.
50:51 Speaker 04 There's a hundred twenty pack. Oh my.
50:53 David Imel? Well, there might not be an official pyrite crayon, but you could generate a pyrite crayon with Meta's new Muse image model.
51:01 Speaker 04 Jesus. Kids these days will never know.
51:04 David Imel? The reason.
51:05 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, that AI is the infinite segue glitch.
51:07 David Imel? That's true.
51:08 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's true.
51:10 David Imel? But just generate. A segue. Uh, okay. So Meta has finally put out its first AI model from its super intelligence lab.
51:17 Andrew Manganelli? You say finally, like we've been waiting for this.
51:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:20 David Imel? Yeah. Less that we've been waiting for it and more that they've spent almost as much as they spent on the metaverse on it.
51:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:26 David Imel? So there's that. Uh, they launched it. It's called Muse AI. It is a image generation model. It's very deeply embedded in Instagram. Adam Aseri is very excited that there's a bunch of new Instagram filters you can use with it, things like that. Um, I, he posted it and all the comments were like, literally nobody cared. Which is funny. The not funny part is that, uh, because it's very deeply integrated into Instagram. You can now, if you're on Meta AI, you can just tag an Instagram post or an Instagram profile. And it will, you can remix whoever's photos you want. You can add, you can add people's likeness into your generated pictures.
52:09 David Imel? You can add landscapes that other people took photos of into their pictures.
52:16 David Imel? And it's opt out, which is it's opt out.
52:21 Andrew Manganelli? You're surprised?
52:23 David Imel? So, yeah, I recommend that everybody goes into Instagram settings and opts out of this. Do it.
52:30 Speaker 03 Um, re-download the Instagram app?
52:32 Andrew Manganelli? Well, I actually think you might have to, because I don't have the app. So I just use the browser and in the browser settings on where you take this out, that option's not there.
52:42 David Imel? Yeah. You know what I've been thinking about a lot recently? And this is very obvious and not a unique take, but we allowed like five companies, like private, well, not private, but corporations to be so deeply embedded in the way that we like live our lives and like move through the world. And they just keep screwing us over and over again.
53:01 Speaker 04 If only there was some sort of protocol to avoid all this.
53:03 David Imel? If only there were some sort of protocol.
53:06 Speaker 01 Here we go.
53:07 David Imel? To avoid all this.
53:08 Speaker 01 We should have like a button we can press where the background music starts getting louder as like David inches towards another protocol.
53:15 David Imel? Shout out.
53:16 Speaker 03 He is right. Like, that's the thing is like, he's right.
53:19 David Imel? I know. Stop booing me. I'm right.
53:21 Speaker 03 This is so much crazier on the tail of two weeks ago, the Meta boss came out and made that statement that was like, look, we get it. We've tortured our engineers, like moving that many of them over to the applied AI team and making them craft these games and training exercises for AI. Like, we get it. We've like ruined the morale of this company. But new Instagram filters, baby. Let's go. You want to look like some animal? It's done. It was all worth it.
53:49 David Imel? A couple of months ago, okay, go ahead.
53:51 Andrew Manganelli? I was just gonna say, not just any animal, an animal that I took a photo of and you stole from me.
53:55 David Imel? You stole, yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, like a couple of months ago, Adam Mosseri put out that like 20 post Instagram post that was like, careful, guys, it's getting harder to tell what's real and what's fake. You've got to be really vigilant. We're living in difficult times. So here's more ways to create slop.
54:13 David Imel? You know? So, anyway, they also launched a web tool where you can upload a photo to see if it was AI-generated by Muse AI, because it has an invisible watermark.
54:23 Speaker 01 That's nice.
54:23 Speaker 03 Oh, wait, that's good.
54:25 David Imel? Yeah, I mean, they did the absolute minimum. It's it's just.
54:28 Speaker 04 That should be built into the app, but at least they have it.
54:30 David Imel? It should be built into the app. It should be built into the app.
54:33 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, anything should.
54:34 David Imel? Properly tagged.
54:34 Andrew Manganelli? It should be tagged.
54:36 David Imel? Yeah.
54:36 Andrew Manganelli? All of them.
54:36 David Imel? I'm not sure if it will be tagged because I haven't actually seen any of these generations. They have some animations on their page and they don't look tagged to me. Seems like the watermark is invisible. Um, yeah, I don't know, guys. We didn't expect them to do anything else, but.
54:52 Speaker 01 Is it just me or does an invisible watermark kind of defeat the purpose of a watermark?
54:57 David Imel? Well, it's like you can upload it to a tool and the tool is the only thing that's able to see.
55:02 Speaker 04 It's. It's up to the app developer to make a physical thing. Well, not physical, I guess, but like a label for you, the user, to see. But the computer in the background would see it.
55:11 Andrew Manganelli? I agree with you, Marquez. It's like this, if we're creating all these things with invisible watermarks, when X misinformation gets posted and 1 million people see it.
55:22 David Imel? Yeah.
55:22 Andrew Manganelli? Then the follow up thing is like, oh, this is a fake image because we found the invisible watermark.
55:27 David Imel? Point zero zero for.
55:28 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, 100,000 of the 1 million see that front.
55:31 David Imel? Not even 100,000.
55:32 Andrew Manganelli? It doesn't matter that it's it's there's a watermark that says it's AI.
55:36 Speaker 01 Like all of the places where it's most important to know that it's AI are all the places where you're least likely to check if it's AI or not.
55:43 David Imel? Yeah.
55:44 Speaker 01 And that strikes me as like a pretty important dynamic. I don't know how much more like watermark-y they want to get with it. But like if I'm scrolling social media or if I'm like seeing an image that is just sort of passing me and I'm not going to like spend a whole bunch of extra time with it, I'm probably not going to check. And those are the ones that are most likely to be AI and that's going to matter.
56:03 Speaker 04 But you shouldn't have to check.
56:04 David Imel? Yeah.
56:04 Speaker 04 The app itself should see the watermark and display that information to you.
56:08 Speaker 01 It should. Ideally, that works perfectly every time. I have a lot of experience with it not working perfectly. Hopefully it gets better.
56:14 David Imel? Yeah.
56:14 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, Twitter tries to say things are AI, but half of them aren't AI. It just seems like it's getting confused.
56:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, I've seen both.
56:21 Andrew Manganelli? Some of them are just photo shops.
56:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, I've seen both. I've seen uploading a thumbnail to Twitter and it goes, this has AI. Let me label it. I'm like, no, it doesn't. And I've also seen random Facebook slop that just doesn't say it's AI anymore. And it's clearly AI. So I'm like, all right, this is not perfect yet, but um, it would be nice.
56:36 David Imel? It's almost like there should be a universal protocol where all of these can use the same invisible watermark in every platform.
56:46 Speaker 01 It should be a French horn in the background. Every time he starts saying.
56:51 Andrew Manganelli? It's almost as if bum bum bum.
56:54 Speaker 03 If you would like to opt out of the service, you go to your Instagram settings, look for the sharing and reuse tab and look for the header, allow people to use your content on Instagram.
57:07 Andrew Manganelli? Turn that off.
57:08 Speaker 03 And with AI features on that or whatever, I don't know, but.
57:11 David Imel? I turned it off before the podcast started.
57:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, I just.
57:13 David Imel? I know people will try to do it, but no can do for you.
57:18 Speaker 03 Nice.
57:19 David Imel? Yeah, opt out. Opt out is always lame.
57:22 Speaker 03 Am I allowed to say that? These alleged criminals, but not by me.
57:26 David Imel? I think you are alleging that.
57:27 Speaker 03 I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't know why I did anything. Meta legal department.
57:33 David Imel? All right, well.
57:34 Andrew Manganelli? Well, other social media news.
57:36 David Imel? Yep.
57:36 Andrew Manganelli? Twitter's new editing tool. They just announced their video editing and recorder tool inside their iOS app. It can basically do everything you're expecting a vertical video editing tool on a social media app can do, which is overlay text and auto captioning and like green screen effects. Is this 2026, the year of the green screen vertical video recorder? Every phone seems to do it now.
58:02 David Imel? Android added it into Android.
58:04 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, and doesn't Apple have it now also?
58:07 David Imel? I don't think so.
58:08 Speaker 03 It's in final cut, the auto magnetic mask thing.
58:11 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, that's like.
58:12 David Imel? Yeah, but that's.
58:13 Andrew Manganelli? This is like the, yeah, like Android has it to now, like when you're screen recording, like everything.
58:17 David Imel? Reactions, like you can react to the video behind you.
58:22 Andrew Manganelli? They're saying that this is so Twitter users can now create original content. But what really was interesting about this is after Nikita tweeted, Nikita Bear tweeted this, you know, new tool.
58:33 David Imel? Who is Nikita Bear?
58:34 Andrew Manganelli? He is. He's like the BBS product. Something product of Twitter. Yeah, I tried not to listen to anything.
58:41 David Imel? He's a lot of power.
58:42 Speaker 03 He's the guy that's texting, texting clavicular.
58:45 Andrew Manganelli? I don't even.
58:45 David Imel? He's head of product.
58:47 Andrew Manganelli? Head of product. Okay.
58:49 David Imel? He's also an advisor at Solana.
58:51 Andrew Manganelli? So, okay, there we go. Made a great phone. Okay. Someone tweeted that this is the TikTok-ification of the, or the TikTok-ification of the site continues, which he responded a bunch of different things. We'll show the, the whole tweet in, in the video podcast. But a couple of lines from that that I thought was interesting. He said, "Many videos from top accounts are simply stolen from other users, sometimes five years after they originally went viral." No [bleep]. I mean, I think we all know Twitter is pretty engagement farming at this point. I mean, a lot of social media is, especially vertical video, short form content likes to steal a lot of content.
59:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, this isn't, this is, I've found this to be a one-way issue specifically with TikTok going to all the other websites. Like YouTube Shorts has this problem, Instagram Reels has this problem, Twitter has this problem. Everyone's taking things from TikTok because people make their video in TikTok's editor, and it gets the TikTok watermark, and it's clearly a TikTok, and it has the end screen when it's done. And then that goes to the other site, and YouTube hates that. Everyone has a different version of dealing with it.
59:54 Andrew Manganelli? Instagram like penalized you for it.
59:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, if it was very clearly a TikTok, they would penalize it in the algorithm, and they'd much rather use their tools. I think YouTube might have also done the same thing, where if you have that like watermark or, you know, end screen that's TikTok, they don't like that either. So yeah, what's Twitter doing about it?
1:00:11 Andrew Manganelli? Well, so they're making their own so that you can then make your original content. But I feel like the, the issue with this is so many people like short form content because it's like pretty low risk, high reward, where you can make a one-minute-long vertical video with your phone and post it to four different platforms, exactly the same. We do it all the time, and what sticks on which platform is a total, a total guess. So I don't know if anyone's seen Billy Madison, but there's a scene where they throw pickles up on a window, and it falls down, pickle mentioned, and they raise the pickles. Like, whenever someone asks me, "What's your strategy for short form content?", I like send them that scene.
1:00:53 Andrew Manganelli? I was like, "One of the pickles might go faster than the other pickles. I don't know. It's all a guess." So. So they now want to be the one making it? I don't think this is gonna necessarily mean original content's gonna be made on Twitter just because of it. And also, could I not just rip a video and bring it into the Twitter video recording tool and still steal all the content I want to steal?
1:01:17 Speaker 03 That's how, next time I upload my full-length render of the backrooms, all an hour and a half of it, I can have me doing a funny little jig keyed on top of it.
1:01:26 Andrew Manganelli? Or you just have to be like the 20% of the bottom, just like looking up in your computer chair like you're reacting to it.
1:01:33 Speaker 01 I honestly think their best bet might be doing the thing that has worked in every other dimension of encouraging engagement, which is just, obviously penalize, or like, make it literally ineligible for monetization if it's stolen from another platform. And you can pretty easily auto-detect the ones that are stolen from TikTok, because it has the TikTok watermark and the end screen. And I think YouTube Shorts now, if you make it in the YouTube Shorts editor and export that, it has a YouTube logo in it. So if Twitter wants to be so serious about being the place where you create the content, then you can penalize or even disqualify from monetization the stuff that is stolen. The big accounts will not benefit from stealing, and then everything will start trending towards you having original content.
1:02:18 Speaker 03 You know, Marcus, it's funny you say that, because a big, big, big, huge part of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the DFCA, is that in order to be legally protected from copyrighted stuff being posted on a platform you own, you need to be making a "good faith," a quote-unquote "good faith" effort to remove it, which...
1:02:37 Andrew Manganelli? To remove it?
1:02:38 Speaker 03 Like YouTube, I think, even though they're not awesome at it, like you could at least say they're making a good faith effort. Twitter does not make a good faith effort. I don't know what it looks like. Dude, the amount of full movies I get when I'm just scrolling videos on Twitter, like, like Twitter makes no effort to remove. I mean, maybe they do somewhere, but it's not, it's not good faith, I'll tell you that much.
1:03:04 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:03:04 Andrew Manganelli? It also apparently only matters if you're an iPhone user because this isn't on the Android app.
1:03:09 Speaker 04 Oh my.
1:03:10 Andrew Manganelli? Which they said they're working on, but I don't know. It's, I feel like this could have just been like, hey, we're releasing this. Let's not make it some big statement on how we're correcting stolen content. Just say you're terrible at removing stolen content and hope this enables some people to be able to make more original content. I don't know. It seemed pretty dumb. I need to start ending these ad breaks on a more positive story.
1:03:33 Speaker 04 I got into my Apple Note that was been locked for so long. And I finally guessed the correct password. So that is, that is my good news of the day.
1:03:42 Speaker 01 Well, congratulations.
1:03:43 Speaker 04 Thank you.
1:03:43 David Imel? What was the password?
1:03:45 Speaker 04 The password was.
1:03:47 Speaker 01 Nice. Wait, I actually do know what it is.
1:03:50 Speaker 03 You can password protect Apple Notes?
1:03:52 Speaker 04 A specific note.
1:03:53 Speaker 03 Whoa.
1:03:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:03:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, not suspicious at all.
1:03:56 David Imel? So your girlfriend can't get into it.
1:03:58 Speaker 04 Fiance now. LG G7, thank you. She just covers what's in that note.
1:04:07 Speaker 04 Nice. LG G7, thank you. You mentioned it before. It launched.
1:04:13 Speaker 03 With what version of Android?
1:04:16 Speaker 04 Hmm. What year is it?
1:04:19 Speaker 01 I can't even go in reverse order from today's LG phone because there is none.
1:04:24 David Imel? That's true.
1:04:25 Speaker 01 So I have to go back to G7? Okay, so G5.
1:04:29 Speaker 04 I think I know the year.
1:04:30 Andrew Manganelli? I'll give you an extra point if you get the code name.
1:04:33 David Imel? Can I say the year?
1:04:35 Andrew Manganelli? No.
1:04:36 David Imel? The code name?
1:04:37 Speaker 04 LG has code, I guess everyone.
1:04:39 Speaker 01 I think I have the year.
1:04:39 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, I got a version of Android.
1:04:41 Speaker 01 Towards.
1:04:42 David Imel? Shamu.
1:04:46 Andrew Manganelli? It's the Nexus.
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1:07:14 David Imel? Welcome back. Okay, this is sort of a rant and also sort of a "I understand something now" that I think a lot of people might not understand.
1:07:24 Speaker 01 Does that mean you're seeing both sides of this?
1:07:26 David Imel? I'm in the middle. Okay, so we're all using iOS 27 Beta 3, correct? Not all of us.
1:07:36 Speaker 01 I'm using Android.
1:07:37 Andrew Manganelli? Android.
1:07:37 David Imel? All right. Alice is not... Okay, are you in Beta 3? Yes. Marquez and I are all using iOS 27 Beta 3. Okay. So, something that's been kind of weird in iOS 27 in general, the Beta, is that, you know, we've talked a lot about how all of the Apple apps have all this special access to Siri. Siri's the big update in iOS 27, and we've been wondering, you know, is Siri only gonna be good with Apple apps? When I ask questions about personal context, and it only sorts through my Messages app, but it can't go through Telegram, can't go through Signal, stuff like that. If I ask it to send an email in Gmail, and it just can't do it. It can like open Gmail, but it can't do anything else, you know? The big question has been,
1:08:23 David Imel? is Apple gonna try to keep people in their walled garden where if you use Apple apps, everything's wonderful and dandy and nice and clean and beautiful? And I discovered an answer late last night. Okay. So, as it turns out, Apple is allowing developers to, you know, allow their apps to give personal context, all of this stuff, to Siri. Yes. But, the current version of Xcode that's in Beta does not allow you to ship apps with these functions yet. So, right now, you can do them in test flight. So if you have a test flight version of an app, you can see what Siri might be able to do with it once everything comes out. Everyone's sort of, you know,
1:09:08 David Imel? not officially reviewing Siri, but everyone's just posting about like, "Here's what Siri can do, here's what Siri can't do." Everyone's frustrated. And it turns out, we're not actually going to see the full capabilities of the new Siri until it officially launches on like the iPhone 18.
1:09:23 Speaker 01 Yes, in September.
1:09:25 David Imel? In September.
1:09:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think this is something that I've found to be generally true for a lot of like, a lot of the big iOS updates, you'll see a lot of your apps get that update in September.
1:09:38 David Imel? Yeah.
1:09:39 Speaker 01 So they're not pushing like, when we got Liquid Glass, we had like months and months during the summer of like, oh, okay, what developers are going to embrace Liquid Glass? And not a whole lot of them did. And then September happened and the new iPhone came out and then everyone got the update and then a bunch of our most popular apps started to get Liquid Glass.
1:09:54 David Imel? Yeah.
1:09:55 Speaker 01 I think that's generally true about most of the big stuff in iOS, whether it's adopting new features or new plugs that developers can jump into.
1:10:02 David Imel? Right.
1:10:03 Speaker 01 That stuff will wait until the September drop.
1:10:05 David Imel? Yeah, I think that the confusion around this is that, we talked a lot about app intents, right? Which is this ability for apps to have this list of functionality that can be used in shortcuts. And that's been around for a long time. That's been around for like five years. But the new version of iOS is introducing two new things. It's introducing entity schemas and intent schemas. And entity schemas are like index cards. It tells the app, this is a recipe, it tells Siri, this is a recipe, this is a photo, this is a note. Siri can read those cards and it can answer however it needs to use that.
1:10:40 Speaker 01 And it has like a set number of category things.
1:10:43 David Imel? Yes. As far as I understand, there are a ton.
1:10:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:10:46 David Imel? There are like a lot. There used to be not that many when it was on an older version of shortcuts, but now there's like a ton.
1:10:52 Speaker 01 I heard, I was listening to a podcast with the Flighty developers. Apparently Flights is not one of them yet.
1:10:57 David Imel? Yeah.
1:10:57 Speaker 01 And they were like, please add that.
1:10:59 David Imel? Yeah, that seems like one of them that should be there.
1:11:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:11:02 David Imel? And then there's intent schemas, which is the app that can tell, the app can tell Siri like what buttons it's allowed to press, sort of, you know? So I think this is, this is just a very different way than, than Google looks at the AI version of Gemini using your phone because Google's like, we're just gonna have Gemini agentically press buttons.
1:11:20 Speaker 01 Figure it out.
1:11:21 David Imel? Yeah, figure it out. And this is a very classic Apple mentality of like, we will give you the, the limited tools that we expect people are going to want to use. And to Apple's credit, apparently that list is very, very long, although it apparently does not include flights.
1:11:39 Speaker 01 Lights, yeah.
1:11:39 David Imel? Which is annoying for flighty, very annoying for flighty. But the developers I talked to in over the last couple of days were very, very positive and excited about like, when this officially launches. And they were very intent on being like, hey, we're not really seeing the full version of the new Siri right now. It's only in Apple's apps because Apple's apps have all these capabilities and they're sort of seen as like the, this is what your app should be able to do. But until, yeah, until it officially launches, I don't think we're gonna be able to see everything. So the, the big question is still, will Google adopt schemas and app intents?
1:12:17 Speaker 01 Please.
1:12:18 David Imel? Uh, the newer version of app intents.
1:12:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:20 David Imel? It would be really nice. Uh, we really need to push them to do that because again, without Google adopting that, it makes Siri half useless.
1:12:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, so just for an example for that, to be clear.
1:12:30 David Imel? Yeah.
1:12:31 Speaker 01 Like, right now, if I ask about, like, where am I going to be in a week? It will go, okay, you're asking specifically for a calendar event, so now we search for a calendar event, let me look at what all of the developers on this phone have labeled as calendar events.
1:12:44 David Imel? Yeah.
1:12:45 Speaker 01 Right now, that's just Apple Calendar because that's Apple's app.
1:12:48 David Imel? Mm-hmm.
1:12:49 Speaker 01 And then the other apps have been updated yet. In the future, we are hoping that other calendar apps, specifically Google Calendar.
1:12:55 David Imel? Yeah.
1:12:56 Speaker 01 Will also label all of their events as calendar events using this built-in tool so that Siri will be able to see those and will be able to pull from that app and answer it. So as of right now, we just have Apple's apps, which like as I test Siri, I'm just getting like stuff from Google Photos, stuff from Google, oh, sorry, stuff from Apple Photos, stuff from iMessage, stuff from my calendar, and it's it's pretty simple.
1:13:20 David Imel? Yeah.
1:13:21 Speaker 01 It also like fails at answering a lot of things because I say, oh, do you know this about me? And it goes, no.
1:13:26 David Imel? Yeah.
1:13:26 Speaker 01 But if I ask, where was I? It will pull from the geolocation of the photos that I took on those dates.
1:13:33 David Imel? Yeah.
1:13:33 Speaker 01 So that's pretty cool.
1:13:34 David Imel? In Apple.
1:13:34 Speaker 01 But yeah, from Apple Photos, but it would be nice if there was some more third-party support.
1:13:39 David Imel? Yeah, and the reason this is very confusing is because, again, App Intent have existed for a long time, but the old version of App Intent was much more limited to the things that it could do, because those are integrated to shortcuts. So everything that shortcuts can do, Siri AI should be able to do. But now, because we're introducing these new schemas, it's going to be a lot more flexible. There's going to be a lot more things that it'll be able to do. So I've been seeing people tweeting like a lot throughout the week, like, oh, has anyone actually seen any apps that support the new Siri yet? It's kind of weird that it's not out. The reason it's not out is because Apple literally does not allow it to be out yet. So hopefully we'll see it in the full version.
1:14:18 Speaker 01 In the fall.
1:14:19 David Imel? When I want to clear that up. Yeah.
1:14:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:14:20 David Imel? So.
1:14:22 Speaker 01 Wait, so the rant is? It's not out yet?
1:14:25 David Imel? The rant is that it's not a really, well, this is why I said it's not really a rant. I'm just sort of clarifying because a lot of people are like, a lot of people were thinking, is this another Apple-walled garden approach of only letting the new Siri be magical with Siri?
1:14:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:14:42 David Imel? Or with Apple apps? And if you like, because I use Telegram a lot, right?
1:14:46 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:14:46 David Imel? It can't pull any of my personal contacts from Telegram right now.
1:14:49 Speaker 01 Right.
1:14:49 David Imel? But if Telegram supports app schemas when iOS 27 officially launches, then I'll be able to pull messages from Telegram, personal contacts from Telegram.
1:14:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:00 David Imel? Google Gmail, if Google supports it. We really need you to support this, Google. If you do not support this, Siri is like semi-useless.
1:15:07 Speaker 01 Just like how they put YouTube on the Apple Vision Pro.
1:15:09 David Imel? That's, that's the thing.
1:15:11 Andrew Manganelli? They did, eventually. It sounds really funny to be like. No one cared. Hey, Google, please save Siri.
1:15:15 David Imel? Yeah, that's, that's.
1:15:17 Andrew Manganelli? Just the way you're saying it.
1:15:18 David Imel? I know, I know, I know, I know.
1:15:19 Speaker 01 Is it in Google's best interest? I guess. Okay, this is actually a real question.
1:15:23 David Imel? Yeah.
1:15:24 Speaker 01 Is Google so ubiquitous and powerful enough that it's actually better for them to not support this because it makes Siri worse and it makes you more likely to want to use a phone that it does work on? Or is it not powerful enough and you're going, wow, Siri doesn't work with Gmail, let me switch to Yahoo Mail? Like, I think you're probably gonna keep using Google services no matter what.
1:15:48 David Imel? Yeah.
1:15:49 Speaker 01 So if it doesn't, if they choose not to support all these Siri intents, what does that mean for users?
1:15:54 David Imel? Yeah, okay, so I talked to Matthew Cassinelli about this. He was on the shortcuts team when it got acquired by Apple, so he's like very well versed in this stuff. And I asked him about this because I was like, hey, Gmail shows, suggests, like, they show ads inside of Gmail when you open Gmail. So wouldn't Apple not be incentivized, or wouldn't Google not be incentivized to allow Apple to just give you the information instead of opening the app? And he said, that's kind of true, but at the same time, Google is already planning for a future where ads that are shown in front of you are not their main revenue driver.
1:16:27 Speaker 01 True.
1:16:28 David Imel? So he thinks that the experience benefit of the app having a good experience is going to be more important than actually opening the app in the future. Now, that's probably a lot more true for smaller individual developers than it is for like Google who just wants to monopolize your eyeballs all the time. But it, they're still, I don't know, you gotta weigh the pros and cons there.
1:16:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, I do, I feel like if it's, if you're a smaller, more competitive developer, you have others who are in the same class as you, you're like, oh, I definitely want to support this because all of my competitors will, and if I don't support it, people might not want to use my app.
1:17:04 David Imel? Yeah.
1:17:04 Speaker 01 But if you're Google, that is an interesting place to come from. I hope they support it.
1:17:08 Speaker 04 I feel like there is a little bit of pressure on Google, though, to support it. Because if you have a bad experience in the Gmail app on iPhone, you'll probably just download a different mail app or whatever.
1:17:19 Andrew Manganelli? Or you're not sitting there being like, oh, my iPhone's broken.
1:17:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:17:22 Andrew Manganelli? Why do I sound like an old shell? But yeah, they're gonna be like, Google's being a pain in the neck right now. And also just like, Google wants people on their services. If your services sucked on the hardware that 85% of Americans use. You're shooting yourself in the foot.
1:17:40 Speaker 04 Chances are they'll switch email apps before they switch phones.
1:17:43 David Imel? Yeah.
1:17:44 Speaker 01 Well, they switch email services.
1:17:45 David Imel? The reason they can switch email apps is because email is an open protocol.
1:17:50 Speaker 04 Get the French horn, get the French horn.
1:17:53 David Imel? So I will say, honestly, yeah, if Google doesn't support this stuff, I would probably switch email apps. I'm not like that tied to Gmail, the Gmail app. I just use it because I've always used it.
1:18:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:18:04 David Imel? But if Siri could pull personal contacts from a different.
1:18:07 Speaker 04 From like Outlook or something?
1:18:08 Speaker 01 Okay, the thing is, you're saying you're switching your app. But like, I switched to Notion Calendar, but Notion Calendar has to pull from Google Calendar the service.
1:18:17 David Imel? Right.
1:18:17 Speaker 01 So is Notion Calendar able to show those flags?
1:18:20 David Imel? I guess Apple Calendar, Apple, Apple, okay, wait, Calendar.
1:18:25 Speaker 01 If I do Calendar, for example.
1:18:26 David Imel? I mean, it would be whatever Calendar app supported the schemas.
1:18:30 Andrew Manganelli? I think Calendar or Mail, because you're just logging into your Google account on both of them. So it's being reflected on Apple, like it's not the main thing.
1:18:38 David Imel? Well, if you sync your Google Calendar to your Apple Calendar, yes. It's also pull the data from the Apple Calendar app, which doesn't always transfer correctly.
1:18:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's, that's a whole nother dimension that I'm not as an expert about. Like, I, I don't think it would, like, okay, iMessage, if I search for it in Siri, it has the entire history of all my iMessages ever. Because I can just pull from that.
1:18:58 David Imel? Yeah.
1:18:58 Speaker 01 But if I have Gmail, the app on my phone, that's not storing locally all of the emails I've ever had and all of the attachments I've ever had.
1:19:09 David Imel? Yeah.
1:19:10 Speaker 01 So it has, it has the ability to go look that stuff up. Now, if I use a different email app, that's even less connected. That's now able to pull from Gmail the service, but it's not, it's storing probably even less locally than the Gmail app is.
1:19:23 David Imel? But it could probably, Siri could probably do a thing where it searches within the email app and then pulls the context out and just surfaces it to you. Without actually like.
1:19:31 Speaker 01 And theoretically, that's the same level of access if it if it knows to go search the cloud.
1:19:37 Andrew Manganelli? It should be because of beauty of protocols.
1:19:39 David Imel? Because of.
1:19:40 Speaker 01 I hope so.
1:19:41 David Imel? Yeah.
1:19:41 Speaker 01 All right, I'm rooting for this protocol.
1:19:42 David Imel? To be fair, to be fair, email and calendar are like the worst examples of this because those are already open protocols. And so you should be able to sync those, your calendar and your email to Apple Calendar and Apple Mail anyway.
1:19:54 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, photos is probably the better example.
1:19:56 David Imel? Photos is a good example. Google Photos? Yeah, flights, I guess.
1:19:59 Speaker 01 Like WhatsApp is another one. Remember, you used to not even be able to have WhatsApp on multiple devices at the same time.
1:20:05 David Imel? Yeah.
1:20:05 Speaker 01 So if you wanted to search your WhatsApp history from your iPad, you would be like, well, I don't know anything about WhatsApp.
1:20:11 David Imel? Yeah.
1:20:11 Speaker 01 Because that's on your iPhone. So that's another one.
1:20:14 David Imel? Yeah.
1:20:15 Speaker 03 Browser histories for freaking recipes. That's where that's the only place in my life where I need this. Do you know how annoying it is to be like, dude, I found the best chicharrones recipe ever and you can't remember, you didn't save the link? And you just want to know how much lime juice to add.
1:20:29 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
1:20:29 Speaker 03 And so you gotta.
1:20:30 Speaker 01 That's your fault.
1:20:31 David Imel? You'd have to use, right now, you have to use Siri if you want that data.
1:20:34 Speaker 03 You gotta go back to Google, finally. You gotta click on a webpage. You gotta scroll through some [BLEEP] childhood story of going to the Dominican Republic. Just to, just to get to the, how is it my fault?
1:20:45 Andrew Manganelli? Because when you find a good recipe and you cook it and you know it's good, you immediately copy all of the important parts into a note somewhere.
1:20:52 Speaker 03 No, no, no, no.
1:20:53 Andrew Manganelli? Yes, or a Google Doc.
1:20:54 Speaker 03 Find a good recipe and you make it and it's good, you go, and then you forget because you're full. That's a perfectly understandable experience.
1:21:01 Andrew Manganelli? You didn't enjoy it enough then.
1:21:02 Speaker 03 No, I enjoyed it so much.
1:21:04 Andrew Manganelli? That I never want to forget it again, yeah.
1:21:06 Speaker 03 Oh, my God. There's so many recipes where I'm like.
1:21:08 David Imel? You don't know if it's good enough to save until you eat it. So you have to eat it first.
1:21:12 Speaker 03 Exactly.
1:21:13 Andrew Manganelli? And then make sure you're not sick the next morning again.
1:21:15 David Imel? Who knows?
1:21:16 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know. I save them. Or how many days are you going before you're like, oh, that was a good recipe four months ago and now I have to find it?
1:21:24 Speaker 03 All the time, all the time.
1:21:26 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, by next day, you should at least be like, that was good. I should save that recipe. And then it's right there.
1:21:32 Speaker 03 No, no, no. This is why they're inventing the robots, Andrew. This is exactly why.
1:21:37 Andrew Manganelli? If there is anything I really wanted AI for, it's terrible recipe websites.
1:21:41 Speaker 01 Maybe Siri will pull from browser history. We'll see.
1:21:45 David Imel? I mean, yeah, if you use Safari right now.
1:21:48 Speaker 01 If you use Safari specifically.
1:21:50 Speaker 03 And which one of us uses Safari?
1:21:51 Andrew Manganelli? Safari. It's also your fault. Oh my god.
1:21:54 Speaker 04 Okay, wait, I do want to formally apologize to Ellis on the podcast because I have started using Safari again. And it is a good browser.
1:22:02 Andrew Manganelli? That's.
1:22:03 Speaker 04 I never said it was a.
1:22:04 Andrew Manganelli? I don't think Adam's opinions have any weight when he switches things every three months.
1:22:09 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's why I wanted to try it. I was like, you know, I haven't tried Safari in a long time. I'm always talking about it. Let me actually just try it.
1:22:15 Andrew Manganelli? Next week. It's not bad. Pixel Browser is so much better than Safari.
1:22:18 Speaker 04 Pixel Browser?
1:22:19 Andrew Manganelli? Pickle Browser?
1:22:20 Speaker 04 The Pickle Browser.
1:22:20 Andrew Manganelli? Pickle Browser.
1:22:21 Speaker 04 I think you're talking about the. Come back to Arc.
1:22:24 David Imel? Vivaldi?
1:22:25 Speaker 04 Arc Mobile is a solid.
1:22:26 David Imel? Arc Mobile is solid. I still use it.
1:22:28 Andrew Manganelli? Arc Browser is that building they just found in Manhattan.
1:22:32 Speaker 04 That's true. It's a deep cut and potentially a deep collapse. All right.
1:22:37 David Imel? Jeez.
1:22:38 Andrew Manganelli? Trivia.
1:22:39 David Imel? Trivia, trivia. Anyway, Google, support this stuff because I want to use Siri.
1:22:47 Speaker 03 Also, just, just for the record, just for the record.
1:22:49 David Imel? Yeah.
1:22:50 Speaker 03 I know how much lime juice to put in future orders. It's more about the air fryer time, you know, I just can never, I, cause like you, I, there's the perfect like temp and time and you're like, how much was that the last time? And it's not like I'm buying a pork shoulder every week. Okay. This is, this is, anyway, guys, I'm in a pickle. I'm not in a pickle. I'm fine, but who said?
1:23:14 Speaker 03 I'm in a, that's pretty cool.
1:23:16 David Imel? It was an English writer.
1:23:17 Speaker 03 Yes, an English writer from England.
1:23:20 David Imel? Name an English writer.
1:23:21 Andrew Manganelli? Does spelling count?
1:23:23 Speaker 03 No.
1:23:26 Speaker 04 Get it, Andrew. It's pretty easy to spell Harry Kane. I don't know what you're talking about.
1:23:30 Speaker 03 World Cup joke. He's a, he's a, he's a, he's an author with his foot. He writes foot poetry.
1:23:37 Andrew Manganelli? Did you see him trying to talk after that game? He had like no voice. That was pretty awesome. Although I wanted Mexico to win.
1:23:44 Speaker 03 I'm so excited to see what you guys wrote.
1:23:46 David Imel? I don't know any authors.
1:23:52 Speaker 01 You guys wrote the same one. That is interesting.
1:23:53 Andrew Manganelli? There's no only, no, literally the only thing I can think of.
1:23:56 David Imel? There's one other one.
1:23:57 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, and all I want.
1:23:58 Speaker 03 C.S. Lewis, J.R. Tolkien. There's plenty of people who are English writers.
1:24:02 David Imel? Marquez wrote J.J. Abrams.
1:24:04 Speaker 03 Is he English?
1:24:05 Speaker 01 I was trying to think of an author and I was like, there's one that has like a J, something, something.
1:24:09 David Imel? He's a movie director.
1:24:10 Speaker 01 No, I know this isn't an author. I couldn't think of J.R., whatever.
1:24:14 Andrew Manganelli? It's Bumblebee came down and said.
1:24:16 Speaker 01 Wait, is this right?
1:24:17 Andrew Manganelli? I'm in a pickle, guys.
1:24:18 David Imel? Is this right?
1:24:18 Speaker 03 That is correct.
1:24:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, Shakespeare.
1:24:21 Speaker 03 I'm in a pickle is a Shakespearean turn of phrase from.
1:24:24 David Imel? Right to me.
1:24:25 Andrew Manganelli? The play.
1:24:27 Speaker 03 Called.
1:24:28 Speaker 01 Romeo and.
1:24:29 Andrew Manganelli? I'm in a pickle.
1:24:30 David Imel? Othello.
1:24:31 Speaker 01 Hamlet.
1:24:32 David Imel? Hamlet.
1:24:33 Speaker 03 Also, no, it's from The Tempest.
1:24:35 Speaker 01 Nobody knows about that.
1:24:36 Speaker 03 And he used it in a slightly.
1:24:39 Speaker 01 He's like a three-hit wonder.
1:24:41 Andrew Manganelli? He's in a different way? Was he physically in a pickle?
1:24:44 Speaker 03 Slightly, slightly different way. He used it to say, um, here, I can read you the exact quote.
1:24:50 Speaker 01 Thou art in thy pickle.
1:24:53 Speaker 03 And Trinculo is reeling ripe. Where should they find this grand liquor that hath gilded them? How canst thou in this pickle? Then Trinculo responds, I have been in such a pickle since I saw you last. I fear me will never out of my bones. I shall not fear fly blowing. Which is Shakespearean English for saying, I drank so much alcohol that if I were to die, my body would be preserved and the flies could not grow maggots on it.
1:25:21 Speaker 01 Yo, that's fire.
1:25:24 Speaker 01 This guy's, this guy's good.
1:25:25 Andrew Manganelli? What a beggar.
1:25:27 Speaker 01 When you first read it, I was like, this is kind of trash, but now that you said the way it is today, that's pretty.
1:25:31 Andrew Manganelli? Now that you translated it for me.
1:25:32 Speaker 04 The fact that Marquez said he's a three-hit wonder. I heard that.
1:25:35 Andrew Manganelli? When they didn't have.
1:25:36 David Imel? Wow.
1:25:37 Speaker 01 Name four Shakespeare things.
1:25:40 Speaker 03 Tempest.
1:25:40 David Imel? Hamlet, Hamlet, Hamlet.
1:25:42 Speaker 03 Romeo and Juliet.
1:25:43 Speaker 01 That's the other.
1:25:43 Speaker 03 Hamlet and.
1:25:45 Speaker 01 There you go.
1:25:46 Speaker 03 King.
1:25:46 Andrew Manganelli? What else?
1:25:47 David Imel? King Jordan.
1:25:49 Speaker 03 What's the, uh, wait, wow, I guess I can't name a four.
1:25:52 Andrew Manganelli? Transformers.
1:25:53 David Imel? Transformers.
1:25:54 Speaker 01 It's okay to be a three-hit wonder. That's cool.
1:25:55 Speaker 03 No, uh, it's Summer Night's Dream. Boom, four.
1:25:58 David Imel? Dude, before they had TikTok, people got good at stuff. It was crazy.
1:26:02 Speaker 03 Dude, before TikTok, people had hobbies. It's crazy.
1:26:04 David Imel? Yeah, like writing.
1:26:05 Speaker 03 I know.
1:26:07 David Imel? Uh.
1:26:09 David Imel? I don't know. Wait, this reminds me of something I want to tell you. So you know, you know the phrase, don't cry over spilled milk? That's from Frankenstein.
1:26:18 Speaker 04 It was actually from Frankenstein's monster.
1:26:21 Speaker 01 That's the thing.
1:26:22 David Imel? No. I don't think Frankenstein's monster said that. I don't think Frankenstein's monster said that. Anyway.
1:26:30 Speaker 01 It was Final Jeopardy like two days ago. It's like, actually, it's Frankenstein's monster.
1:26:35 David Imel? The actual phrase is, "The milk that is spilled cries not out afterwards." Yeah.
1:26:42 Speaker 03 Oh, that's also a bar. I like that. Good job, Mary Shelley.
1:26:45 David Imel? I know.
1:26:48 Speaker 04 All right, let's dumb this down a bit.
1:26:50 David Imel? Well, that's just the.
1:26:50 Speaker 04 The LG G7 Think Q launched with what version of Android?
1:26:55 David Imel? Hemoglobin ID.
1:26:57 Speaker 04 Thou veins will run through doubt camera.
1:27:04 David Imel? Thou well twist thou pong.
1:27:06 Speaker 01 Android 17 today, so.
1:27:09 David Imel? Are we on 17?
1:27:16 Speaker 04 Quick update on the score while you guys write the answers. Marquez with 32, Andrew with 28, David with 33. Flip him and read. What do you got?
1:27:26 Speaker 01 Think about this one.
1:27:27 David Imel? Oh, shoot. Andrew and I.
1:27:28 Speaker 01 No shot. You're both right again. This would be so tough.
1:27:31 David Imel? I don't think we're both.
1:27:32 Speaker 04 It's terrible for the program.
1:27:33 David Imel? It might be nine.
1:27:34 Speaker 04 I was actually thinking nine, but 10 just seemed like.
1:27:36 David Imel? Andrew and I both wrote 10.
1:27:38 Speaker 04 You both wrote 10?
1:27:39 David Imel? Yeah.
1:27:41 Speaker 01 Oh, guys.
1:27:42 David Imel? It's nine.
1:27:42 Speaker 04 Is it nine?
1:27:43 Speaker 03 Marquez, what'd you say?
1:27:44 Speaker 01 I said 11.
1:27:45 Speaker 04 11?
1:27:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:27:46 David Imel? It's nine.
1:27:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:27:47 Speaker 04 Is it nine? Android Oreo.
1:27:50 David Imel? 8.0.
1:27:51 Speaker 04 8.0. Oh, glad I was wrong either way.
1:27:54 David Imel? Yeah, I'm glad I was more wrong.
1:27:56 Speaker 01 I am more happy about you being wrong than I am mad about me being right.
1:28:00 David Imel? Yeah. It's not only.
1:28:02 Speaker 04 Doesn't do great for our reputation.
1:28:04 David Imel? It's that other shit.
1:28:05 Speaker 01 I just wouldn't have been able to.
1:28:06 Speaker 04 What year was it?
1:28:07 Speaker 01 Two points.
1:28:08 David Imel? Uh, so 11?
1:28:09 Speaker 04 G7.
1:28:10 David Imel? 2018.
1:28:12 Speaker 04 That's why I was reading 19.
1:28:13 Speaker 01 G7.
1:28:15 David Imel? No, it was eight. It was eight, not 11.
1:28:17 Speaker 04 Oh.
1:28:18 Speaker 01 2018.
1:28:19 David Imel? Yeah. I remember that because literally everything in my entire life happened in 2018 for some reason.
1:28:25 Speaker 04 That was Andrew. You were born in 2018.
1:28:26 David Imel? Dude.
1:28:28 Speaker 01 Nine years ago?
1:28:29 David Imel? I broke my foot on the
1:28:30 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, May, so
1:28:31 David Imel? China in 2018.
1:28:32 Andrew Manganelli? I would have been right after.
1:28:33 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:28:33 Speaker 03 Just like the Mongols.
1:28:35 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, so you knew the year, you just counted wrong?
1:28:38 David Imel? I didn't count at all. I just, I just guessed.
1:28:41 Speaker 01 I was distracted trying to do math and I didn't do it well.
1:28:44 Andrew Manganelli? I was trying to do math, but then I realized the math was my one hand has five fingers and my other hand has three and it was taking a long time to put them together.
1:28:51 David Imel? Yeah, I was trying to remember because Google had me do like, uh, they gave me like an inside scoop about getting rid of the, um, the names of Android and just switching to 10. And I did a whole like video thing about why they were doing it. And I just remembered the Airbnb that I was staying in and I thought it was around 2018.
1:29:07 Speaker 01 That?
1:29:07 David Imel? Wow.
1:29:08 Speaker 01 The, uh...
1:29:09 David Imel? It's called complex reasoning.
1:29:11 Speaker 01 That's some AI level inferencing.
1:29:13 David Imel? Some OPUS 4.9 kind of...
1:29:16 Speaker 01 That's back when you can add a software notch to your phone.
1:29:19 Andrew Manganelli? Software notch.
1:29:21 Speaker 01 Remember that?
1:29:21 Andrew Manganelli? What?
1:29:22 Speaker 03 Good old days.
1:29:23 Andrew Manganelli? Look what we lost.
1:29:24 Speaker 01 Phones would have either a notch or you could like cancel the entire top
1:29:28 David Imel? Oh, my god.
1:29:30 Speaker 01 with software.
1:29:30 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:29:31 Speaker 01 That's a, that's a throwback. Anyway, well, we'll end the nostalgia because clearly nostalgia is bad. Um, thank you for watching. Thank you for listening. Hopefully, uh, if you missed the mime section, you come back to the video version so you can appreciate that.
1:29:44 Speaker 03 Oh!
1:29:46 Speaker 01 Until next week. See you later.
1:29:48 David Imel? Goodbye.
1:29:49 Speaker 01 Peace.
1:29:50 Speaker 03 I'm in a box?
1:29:53 David Imel? I escaped the box?
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