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1:18 Speaker 01 That's J-I-R-A dot com.
1:25 Speaker 01 Yo, what's up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
1:30 Speaker 02 I'm Andrew.
1:31 Andrew Manganelli? And I'm David.
1:32 Speaker 01 And don't adjust your calendars. It's not actually Friday. This is a bonus episode of the Waveform Podcast. That's how you know it's not Friday, is because you hear that "not a regularly scheduled episode" disclaimer. But this is a fun one. We've got a bit of a, not a game, but a fun thing we want to try. And there's too much going on in the regular episodes, so we're just going to do this as a bonus. So, take it away, Ellis.
1:55 Speaker 02 Yeah, so before we get into it, we got to drop a quick disclaimer, because normally, week in, week out, the Waveform production team works hard to make sure this is a family-friendly show with no curses. However, due to the nature of this game, A-I-T-H, we will be saying the word... Asshole a lot. So get ready. This is the first uncensored episode of the waveform podcast. All serious, maybe. I don't know.
2:23 Speaker 01 Can I test that right now? No, just kidding. I'm not gonna test that.
2:25 Speaker 02 We may end up bleeping everywhere that's not ass. Anyway, moral of the story is if you have a child, listen to the music. If you have a child in the car, if you have a child in the room, if you have a child anywhere in the vicinity of this playing, plug their ears, cuz it's about to get wild.
2:43 Andrew Manganelli? I'm now wondering if you should bleep that first one cuz you said the word before you said, tell your child to close their ears.
2:50 Speaker 01 Maybe you should just spell it out. From this point forward.
2:53 Speaker 02 From this point forward.
2:55 Speaker 01 No kids.
2:55 Speaker 02 No kids.
2:56 Speaker 01 Yeah. I do get emails sometimes about like, I was listening with my kids. I'm like, oh, good to know.
3:01 Andrew Manganelli? We warned you.
3:02 Speaker 01 Good to know.
3:02 Speaker 02 We warned you.
3:03 David Imel? When I came out of the womb, I said, from this point forward, no kids.
3:07 Speaker 01 Wow.
3:07 David Imel? And so I still don't have kids.
3:10 Andrew Manganelli? Staying true to your word.
3:11 Speaker 01 Could change. Could change. So what's the segment?
3:13 Speaker 02 For those unfamiliar, uh, am I the asshole is something that I would assume was started on Reddit. Maybe it was started on 4chan or something else, but essentially it's this acronym where you say, am I the asshole if, and then you tell a story and then everyone on Reddit goes, hey, you should probably get a divorce.
3:31 Speaker 01 Well, you did laugh when I made that joke earlier today.
3:34 David Imel? Holy [bleep].
3:39 Speaker 02 That joke was brought to you by David and Mel.
3:42 Speaker 01 God damn it. I tweeted that six years ago, dude. Shit. Alright.
3:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, the way we're gonna do this is we're just gonna, Adam and I are gonna throw am I the assholes at our hosts.
3:53 Andrew Manganelli? Tech-related ones.
3:54 Speaker 02 They need it to be tech-related?
3:57 Andrew Manganelli? Well, I'm just making the audience understand.
3:59 David Imel? As long as you say the word tech once, we're still a tech podcast.
4:02 Speaker 02 Yeah. That's true. Nintendo Switch 2?
4:04 David Imel? Yeah, the Switch 2.
4:05 Speaker 01 We're locked in.
4:05 Speaker 02 Some of these will be pulled directly from Reddit. Some of these will be just influenced or inspired by Reddit posts we saw. And some of them were made up by Adam and I, and some of them were made up by other coworkers. And for the ones that were made up by other coworkers, I will probably end up asking you, which one of your coworkers do you think said it? It will not be for points. This is completely exhibition.
4:26 Speaker 01 I'm gonna try really hard, though.
4:29 Andrew Manganelli? I will win this.
4:32 Speaker 02 This first one, I think many people have thoughts on. It comes directly from me and my own lived experience. Am I Ellis Robin, the asshole, for still using Twitter instead of Blue Sky?
4:46 Speaker 01 No.
4:48 Speaker 01 No, I don't think so.
4:49 Speaker 02 Why not?
4:51 Speaker 01 Just by sheer numbers. I mean, unless you're calling everyone who still uses Twitter.
4:55 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
4:56 Speaker 01 Yeah. Oh, interesting.
4:59 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, I'm just kidding.
5:00 Speaker 01 I mean, I would like a good justification for it, but I would say that Twitter is still the biggest text-only social media platform.
5:09 Andrew Manganelli? It's funny because Twitter would probably hate that you call them a text-only social media platform because they're really trying to be video and paying for everything.
5:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're trying to be everything, but it's like, I guess in the, in the different, like, zones of the social media universe, I feel like there's Twitter, Threads, Blue Sky, all the other text-first.
5:27 Andrew Manganelli? I think you're saying that as proof how nostalgic you still are for Twitter.
5:30 Speaker 01 Really?
5:31 Andrew Manganelli? Like old Twitter.
5:32 Speaker 01 I mean, that's, that's what it originally was, is just like 140-character SMS text only.
5:37 Andrew Manganelli? I miss the old Twitter.
5:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, that was, that was pretty original. No, Blue Sky, if it's, if you have to be on Blue Sky to not be an asshole, then I guess that's the criteria.
5:46 Andrew Manganelli? I want David's responses.
5:48 David Imel? There are plenty of assholes on Blue Sky, dude.
5:49 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah.
5:50 Speaker 01 Sure.
5:50 David Imel? I think the, the real answer is that there's, there's just no good social media anymore.
5:55 Speaker 01 Well.
5:55 David Imel? All of it's bad now.
5:57 Speaker 01 Hmm.
5:58 David Imel? I don't know. It's hard to, it's hard to be anywhere, post anywhere without, like, if I go on Twitter because there are links that we send through Slack and whatever, and there's like news updates and stuff, so I have to read that and I have to read the comments and all this stuff. And like, man, when they say that that place has turned into like a Nazi porn bar, that's what a lot of it is. And sometimes I'll watch it, I'll like click on a video on Twitter and it auto plays the next one and it's just straight porn.
6:24 Speaker 01 So here's what I'll say about Twitter.
6:25 Speaker 02 Why not gay porn?
6:28 David Imel? This is really the first uncensored episode. Here's what I'll say about Twitter. I mean, I've kept using, I still use Twitter, uh, threads. I don't really, we post on Facebook, but I don't really use it very much. But Twitter is still the best and worst at some things. It's still the best at current events happenings right now. When, when the Super Bowl is happening, when All-Star Weekend was happening, when the Blizzard was happening, it's like, that was the what's happening place.
6:58 Speaker 01 Threads is trying to be that.
6:59 David Imel? It's not.
7:00 Speaker 01 It's trying. It's not there yet, but that's what I, that's what Twitter's still the best at. And it is also the worst at, like, all the worst people are, like, if it's the biggest place.
7:10 David Imel? Yeah.
7:11 Speaker 01 Like, there's assholes everywhere, but all the worst people are, are also on Twitter. So it's like, the easiest for it to be terrible.
7:17 David Imel? There's a lot of, like, Karens on Threads, though, because they're all from Facebook. That's the thing. They, like, unloaded a lot of people from Facebook. Yeah, it's hard. Threads is, everyone has too individualized of an algorithm. Like, everyone's experience on Threads is completely different. The thing that was so amazing about Twitter in the heyday and still does persist in a way on there is that there is a monoculture conversation going on, where people are all talking about the same thing when, like, when the open cloth stuff was happening. Oh, you, you seem to see that at the very tail end somehow.
7:48 Speaker 01 The open cloth stuff? Yeah.
7:49 David Imel? It was like my entire timeline for like a week.
7:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:52 David Imel? So, there, there is more of a mono conversation, and I do miss that aspect of a social media platform.
8:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:01 Speaker 02 Yeah. I think, I think Twitter, like, good tweets have this, this radioactive and succinct quality. That Blue Sky post just, I haven't found.
8:12 David Imel? There are funny people on Blue Sky.
8:13 Speaker 02 There are. Can I read you a tweet that I saw this morning that is still in my brain?
8:18 David Imel? Is it a tweet or a skeet?
8:18 Speaker 02 It's a tweet.
8:19 David Imel? Okay.
8:20 Speaker 02 It's from at Rich Decibels. SF Guy Eating A Delicious Blueberry, colon. In 18 months, everything will be blueberries. Like, that's good. That's not on Blue Sky.
8:32 David Imel? Twitter is just San Francisco as well. That's the other thing. Everyone that posts on Twitter thinks that the entire world is San Francisco.
8:40 Speaker 02 I do think we are all in tech Twitter, and so that is the specific, you know, monoculture we see. I think if you're not in the tech world, your Twitter probably looks different than ours.
8:49 Speaker 01 Unfortunately, tech Twitter is probably way too close to a lot of other Twitters that are really sad, and that's, I don't think you're an asshole for using Twitter.
8:57 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just way happier not using Twitter. It's like every time I go on it, because like David said, we're trying to figure out what to like, talk about on the pod. I'm 10 minutes in, I'm just like, I'm so bummed out right now. And there was maybe one funny tweet like that in there in the process of me getting really bummed.
9:13 Speaker 02 Damn. Well, it seems like we have two, yes, you are the asshole. One, no, I'm not the asshole.
9:21 Andrew Manganelli? You'd be a happier asshole without it.
9:23 Speaker 02 Meaning I am the asshole.
9:25 David Imel? Yeah, I do wish Blue Sky had that juice, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.
9:30 Andrew Manganelli? We're all just, is this the only thing Marquez is nostalgic over?
9:35 David Imel? Old Twitter? No, backyard baseball. Backyard baseball for sure.
9:41 Andrew Manganelli? Marquez is like, I will negate everything I've ever said in my life for backyard baseball.
9:46 David Imel? I was nostalgic for a while, but backyard baseball is worth it.
9:48 Speaker 02 All right, here's another sticky one.
9:51 David Imel? Sure.
9:53 Speaker 02 Am I the asshole for switching to Android in an iOS family or friend group? And I feel like those are two separate answers.
10:03 David Imel? No.
10:04 Andrew Manganelli? No.
10:06 Speaker 01 Depends on, okay, depends, depends.
10:09 David Imel? Everyone should be using third-party messaging platforms anyway.
10:13 Speaker 01 But they're not.
10:14 David Imel? Well, actually, the perfect, in a perfect world, RCS would actually work.
10:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:18 David Imel? I texted David Pierce this morning, who recently switched to an Android phone, and none of them got delivered, and it said not delivered, and it said RCS next to it.
10:26 Speaker 01 Cause iPhone was still swiping those messages.
10:29 David Imel? And then I messaged him on Signal and I said, hey, did you get any of that? And he said, no. And I said, when did you switch to your Android phone? He said, a week ago. So the fact that it still hasn't fixed itself, like, this is the problem. And it just keeps bringing you back. But I would say, absolutely not. Freedom.
10:46 Speaker 01 So the reason I say it depends is if your family has a family group chat in like, if they like actively depend on it and use features from it, like FaceTimes or like iMessage stuff all the time, then that would feel worse. You know what I mean? Like, I could still join a FaceTime from my Android phone, but breaking up, you know, the family.
11:10 Speaker 02 And especially now with Apple, the Apple One family plans.
11:17 Speaker 02 Friends do not share iCloud storage, but families often do now.
11:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:23 Speaker 02 But then I guess you'd also be freeing up iCloud storage for your.
11:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, you'd be on your own Google Photos life.
11:28 David Imel? Like, I have an iCloud family plan with people who are just my friends. Yeah, but don't tell the world about that. Yeah, I guess.
11:36 Speaker 02 I don't know, we're still, we're still siblings on YouTube TV or Premium or whatever.
11:40 David Imel? I would say that the analogy that I would make is Shell creating the whole carbon footprint thing to make individuals feel bad about their carbon footprint, whereas Apple is creating the problem to make individuals feel bad about switching to Android.
11:54 Andrew Manganelli? Bars.
11:55 David Imel? So it's Apple's fault. Apple's the asshole, not anyone who changes.
11:59 Speaker 01 That's actually, that's a great take. Apple is the asshole. I like that take.
12:02 Andrew Manganelli? I've just never encountered an issue with this ever. Maybe because I've always just been on Android. Maybe because I have a bunch of family who's on Android. I've just never had a person text me and be like, why, why are you on Android?
12:14 David Imel? I could do you one better.
12:15 Andrew Manganelli? A friend never once.
12:17 David Imel? It's a one-way door.
12:18 Andrew Manganelli? And maybe they're saying it behind my back and they're super nice to me, but I just have such a hard time believing there's all this bullying going on.
12:25 Speaker 01 If you like switch to an iPhone, you'll see like this whole world of group chats that you were never in, like.
12:29 Andrew Manganelli? Whoa, it's like putting on the colorblind glasses for the first time and I'm like, oh my God, blue.
12:35 David Imel? I switch all the time and at one point when I switched from iPhone to Android, Jess had to make a brand new group chat with me and my family and she titled it, Adam No Longer Has An iPhone.
12:46 Speaker 01 Well.
12:46 David Imel? The title of the group.
12:47 Andrew Manganelli? Hold on, it was just if you switch once, you switch every three months, you're the asshole.
12:52 David Imel? Yeah, but Adam keeps his, Adam keeps his iMessage off, though.
12:55 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
12:55 David Imel? So the expectation is that he's never been on iMessage. Really.
12:58 Andrew Manganelli? It's effort.
12:59 David Imel? I know that there's all this data that says that iMessage is not the only thing that keeps people on there. I'm pretty sure it's iMessage.
13:04 Speaker 01 It's the main thing.
13:05 David Imel? It's the only reason why I'm still on an iPhone, so.
13:08 Speaker 02 While we're talking about Apple stuff, am I the asshole? I pay for the iCloud storage for my family and?
13:16 David Imel? No.
13:18 Speaker 04 We keep running out of space. Am I the asshole for telling my family to delete photos and videos, but I don't?
13:23 Andrew Manganelli? No. You're paying for all of it.
13:25 David Imel? If you're paying for all of it.
13:27 Andrew Manganelli? I, you're too nice.
13:29 David Imel? Yeah, if you're going out to a, if you're going out to a restaurant and you're paying, there's a certain amount that people are allowed to order before they're the asshole.
13:36 Andrew Manganelli? That's such a good point. This is be like, I got dinner tonight, and then your mom's like, A5 Wagyu.
13:43 Andrew Manganelli? Chill, mom. You're getting a roasted chicken at best, no drink.
13:48 David Imel? I'm, you're not an asshole, you're a saint.
13:50 Speaker 04 Yeah, you're paying.
13:50 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
13:51 Speaker 04 Well, this hypothetical, but thank you.
13:53 Andrew Manganelli? It is awkward, it's an awkward conversation to have, though.
13:55 David Imel? It is.
13:56 Andrew Manganelli? That's, or like, can everyone toss me a couple bucks for this thing none of you even really knows is a real thing? Because photos are just getting saved to it now.
14:05 David Imel? Yeah.
14:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, if you are in that specific situation, you have every right to ask the people participating to chip in so that they don't have to delete stuff. But if they're not gonna chip in and you're the one paying, you're not the asshole. You tell them to delete some stuff.
14:18 David Imel? Hundred percent.
14:19 Speaker 04 I agree.
14:19 David Imel? Hundred percent.
14:20 Speaker 04 Okay, nice, not the asshole. This one's inspired by a Reddit post. Am I the asshole for bringing my Xbox on my honeymoon?
14:28 David Imel? Divorce.
14:30 Speaker 01 So dependent on the person.
14:31 Speaker 02 I don't wanna get into the specifics of this person's relationship that they followed in the post, so just take this as abstract as you can.
14:38 Speaker 01 This is a person that would bring their Xbox on their honeymoon.
14:41 Speaker 02 They wrote, they wrote so much stuff.
14:43 Andrew Manganelli? What game were they playing?
14:47 David Imel? I also, if you're like, if you're in ga, if you're married to this guy, shouldn't you know how much he likes playing? I don't, I don't know.
14:55 Speaker 01 Wait, this is so dumb.
14:56 Andrew Manganelli? I wanna, I want to try. I wanna try and turn this into, how do we make it okay to bring the Xbox on the honeymoon?
15:03 Speaker 01 If you have, uh, boundaries on when you're allowed. I assume there's some issue that they will have with the amount of time that'll be spent playing the Xbox versus doing other honeymoon.
15:14 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, just bring your Steam Deck, man. It's way easier.
15:18 Speaker 01 The portable Xbox to ROG Ally. You gotta get it. Get one of those things.
15:21 Andrew Manganelli? The ROG Ally.
15:23 David Imel? ROG Xbox Ally X.
15:27 Andrew Manganelli? Is it like, does he not sleep that much? And maybe he's like, oh, I want to play some Xbox while she sleeps a full eight hours and relaxes and I'm a four hour sleeper.
15:36 Speaker 04 Sounds like you're speaking from experience here.
15:38 Andrew Manganelli? No, dude, no. I don't think my honeymoon had a TV in the hotel.
15:44 David Imel? I do play Dota with a guy in Egypt who just had a kid and he plays with me when his wife goes to bed.
15:49 Andrew Manganelli? That's fine. But did anyone see the clip of the guy who brought his Xbox to like the labor and delivery room? And he's like getting handed the baby and he like takes his headset off.
15:58 Speaker 04 No.
15:59 Speaker 01 That's not a parody.
16:01 Andrew Manganelli? It has to be parody. It has to be parody, right?
16:03 Speaker 04 Otherwise, that's an addiction.
16:05 Andrew Manganelli? That's crazy. I don't know. How long's your honeymoon? How long's the honeymoon? Some people go on really long honeymoon.
16:11 David Imel? That's true, but.
16:12 Andrew Manganelli? I'm trying here because it's so obviously the asshole. I'm trying to give it.
16:15 David Imel? What if he has like a weekly meetup with like his brothers?
16:18 Speaker 01 He's got a raid.
16:19 Andrew Manganelli? It's your honeymoon.
16:20 David Imel? He's got raids. You're playing WoW.
16:22 Andrew Manganelli? That?
16:22 David Imel? What if he's playing WoW and he's got a raids? And he's the core.
16:25 Andrew Manganelli? He could be the guild leader. Oh, wait, it's Xbox.
16:31 David Imel? Everyone changes their mind.
16:33 Speaker 01 I think you gotta be able to find a way to.
16:35 David Imel? Is there, how about communication? Let's start there.
16:37 Speaker 02 If you're, if you're marrying anyone other than [bleep] Princess Peach or Cortana, you don't need, you don't need video games on your honeymoon.
16:46 David Imel? I think she.
16:46 Andrew Manganelli? Unless you're both playing, which then you would need to bring two Xbox.
16:49 David Imel? Oh, yeah. Bring a controller. Bring an extra controller.
16:51 Andrew Manganelli? How many clothes are you leaving behind to pack that? That's a lot like.
16:57 David Imel? Yeah.
16:57 Andrew Manganelli? It's a lot of.
16:58 David Imel? It's the ROG, Asus ROG Xbox Ally X.
17:00 Speaker 01 All the Xboxes are pretty big.
17:02 Speaker 02 Now, the, the S, the series S.
17:05 David Imel? Xbox series S is small.
17:06 Andrew Manganelli? But that controller, power cables, audio, video cables, headset. Yeah.
17:11 David Imel? Power adapter.
17:13 Speaker 02 There's a few exceptions, but. You're the asshole. Probably not the coolest move to bring.
17:17 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I wouldn't.
17:18 David Imel? What if she loves playing the game with you?
17:20 Speaker 02 That's different.
17:22 Speaker 01 I don't think this would be in Reddit if that was clear.
17:24 David Imel? Yeah, I guess so.
17:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:26 Andrew Manganelli? No, PlayStation. Totally cool.
17:29 David Imel? Also, I just don't think people on the internet should just be speculating about each other's relationships.
17:34 Speaker 02 This one is, this one is straight from Reddit. And I'm gonna read this one all the way through because this one is, "Am I the asshole for connecting to the AirPod after that my niece swallowed to see if it would play in her stomach? When my three-year-old niece swallowed my sister's left AirPod, everyone started worrying right away. I was trying to lighten the situation, so I connected the AirPod to my phone and put my ear on her stomach to check if I could hear it. Surprisingly, I actually did hear a little sound coming from inside her, which made the moment a bit funny to me.
18:13 Speaker 02 The people around us did not find it amusing. They all looked at me like I was, I wasn't taking things seriously at all."
18:22 David Imel? I, I, I mean- I don't think you should have done that, yeah.
18:27 Speaker 01 No, that's really funny.
18:28 David Imel? Like, I get the invasive thought, the intrusive thought. I get that completely, but, but the problem was already that she swallowed a giant piece of plastic.
18:36 Speaker 02 With a battery in it.
18:37 David Imel? With a battery in it, and like, you just don't know what it's gonna do if you play music through it while someone has it in their stomach, especially a young-
18:43 Andrew Manganelli? You also, if you're just trying to lighten the mood for the kid who's potentially scared, you can just pretend you heard music. You can be like, "Oh, let me see if there's music playing," and just, you don't have to go through the whole process-
18:55 Speaker 01 Counterpoint.
18:55 Andrew Manganelli? Connecting to-
18:56 David Imel? I understand the invasive thought, though, I do.
18:59 Speaker 01 Counterpoint.
19:00 David Imel? Okay.
19:00 Speaker 01 This was a purely utility-based decision. Someone has to have it in their fine mind. Just in case you can't find it.
19:08 Andrew Manganelli? What it's.
19:08 Speaker 01 It's already it's the guy's AirPod already is connecting.
19:11 Andrew Manganelli? Well, it's his girlfriend or wife's AirPod.
19:14 Speaker 02 It doesn't matter. What do you what do you mean?
19:17 Speaker 01 They know she swallowed it or they think she swallowed it?
19:19 Speaker 02 It seems like the.
19:20 Andrew Manganelli? They know she's.
19:21 Speaker 02 It seems like they.
19:21 Speaker 01 Was this to confirm that she swallowed it or they're like she definitely.
19:24 Andrew Manganelli? I think they already. They were already worried.
19:26 Speaker 02 Like, you know, he was like, you know, it'd be really funny.
19:28 Andrew Manganelli? While all of them are like, what should we do? He was like, I should play music on it.
19:32 Speaker 01 I thought it was like, I think she swallowed the AirPod and they were like, oh, my God, did she swallow the AirPod? And he connected to it and it was.
19:38 Andrew Manganelli? That's fair.
19:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, it's definitely there. Or if it was like, did they know already?
19:44 Speaker 02 Have you seen that?
19:44 Speaker 01 Maybe it's not utility anymore.
19:46 Speaker 02 Have you seen, do you see, I see that like TikTok Instagram reel short form video thing? That was like the music for like funk for frogs with all the like. Nope.
19:55 Speaker 01 No.
19:55 Speaker 02 Okay, someone knows what I'm talking about and they know that that's the only appropriate song to play in someone's stomach.
20:00 Speaker 01 God. I've seen.
20:02 Andrew Manganelli? It just sounds like David Blaine's stomach.
20:06 Andrew Manganelli? I I feel like if he's has the time to do all of that, they couldn't have all been that worried of the situation or they would have already been driving her to the hospital, no?
20:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, I don't know how how worried you have to be about.
20:20 Andrew Manganelli? Are they they're probably all searching what to do.
20:23 Speaker 04 Well, it's like, should we wait for it to come out or do we have to take her?
20:27 Andrew Manganelli? If Wayne swallows an AirPod, I'm going to the hospital.
20:29 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
20:31 Speaker 01 This is a three year old though, so I don't know.
20:32 Andrew Manganelli? And listen, I understand in America that might automatically be a bill that's literally like terrifying. So maybe that's different.
20:40 Speaker 01 I would go to urgent care and get an opinion.
20:44 Speaker 04 Okay, that'll be like 5,000.
20:45 Speaker 01 No, it wouldn't. Yeah.
20:48 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I'd probably let the situation. I would confirm everything's safe before I start screwing around like that.
20:55 Speaker 04 Yeah.
20:55 Speaker 01 How do you even confirm that?
20:56 Andrew Manganelli? A doctor, a little, a doctor. I would wait till I.
20:59 Speaker 04 The doctor goes to the hospital.
21:01 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
21:01 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, okay. I think you meant like while they're there trying to figure it out, you would confirm and.
21:05 Speaker 01 And the doctor's like, are you sure she swallowed it? And he's like, yeah, listen, listen, listen. It's here? Yeah, that's definitely in there.
21:13 Andrew Manganelli? Six.
21:16 David Imel? Alright.
21:17 Andrew Manganelli? Alright, so are we agreeing he's probably the asshole?
21:20 David Imel? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:21 Andrew Manganelli? At first. It was a poor move.
21:22 David Imel? I, I understand the intrusive thought, I do.
21:25 Andrew Manganelli? Just in poor taste.
21:26 David Imel? If it was like a fake scenario with like a fake daughter, then yeah, I'd do it. But if it was a real daughter, no. They're not gonna be a good, good guy.
21:34 Andrew Manganelli? Alright, this one comes from someone in the studio. You guys can guess who after this. Rich.
21:38 David Imel? Mariah.
21:40 Andrew Manganelli? After this. Am I the asshole for correcting someone who said their phone has 256 gigs of RAM?
21:48 David Imel? Um, I would, no, I would.
21:50 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, this seems targeted.
21:51 David Imel? I'd do it instantaneously.
21:53 Andrew Manganelli? Honestly, in this studio.
21:55 David Imel? My storage kinda has RAM though.
21:57 Speaker 01 If the context, okay, first the am I an asshole part? Not really. It's probably harmless that the person doesn't know the difference between storage and RAM. As long as you didn't say it like an asshole.
22:10 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, that's a really.
22:11 David Imel? Just kind of a well-actually person, which nobody really likes.
22:15 Speaker 01 I think it's probably fine.
22:16 Andrew Manganelli? People probably don't understand that everyone who works here isn't like a mega phone nerd. Like, there are a lot of talented people here who don't do what, yeah, like.
22:25 Speaker 01 They said RAM, they were right there, they were so close.
22:27 Andrew Manganelli? I think in us telling each other when a mistake like that happens is beneficial, so we don't. I mean, we're a company that talks about tech a lot, so yeah, say nicely. I think everyone in here knows how to say things nicely.
22:40 David Imel? Say, well, technically it is like swap memory.
22:42 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, what if it wasn't here? What if it was just like out and about in life? Oh.
22:47 Speaker 01 And like some random person was like, yeah, my phone, I think it has 256 gigs of RAM. And you were like, memory.
22:53 David Imel? I would just be like, storage.
22:54 Andrew Manganelli? I'm the asshole because I don't care enough to correct them.
22:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, I don't know.
22:59 Speaker 02 Here's, here's the follow-up is, like, I think you're right, it's like understandable, but what if someone uses the word memory when they mean storage?
23:09 Speaker 01 You know, there is, I was thinking about that. I think, I don't think this computer exists, but I think there at some point was a Mac Studio or something where you could genuinely get either 256 gigs of storage or 256 gigs of RAM.
23:24 Andrew Manganelli? Wait.
23:25 Speaker 01 Right? Isn't the Mac Studio, you can get like-
23:27 David Imel? I think the minimum storage there-
23:28 Speaker 01 Half a terabyte maybe?
23:29 David Imel? Yeah.
23:30 Speaker 01 And can you also get half a terabyte of memory?
23:32 Andrew Manganelli? But it's not-
23:33 Speaker 01 So you could genuinely-
23:33 Andrew Manganelli? Either or, right?
23:34 David Imel? Well, you could-
23:35 Speaker 01 You could get both.
23:36 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, you could get both.
23:36 Speaker 01 But it's like, you could say it to the person and they could be like, "Are you sure you mean memory or storage?" And that is the one computer where it actually matters.
23:45 David Imel? Yeah.
23:45 Speaker 01 Otherwise, it kind of doesn't usually matter.
23:47 Speaker 04 You would know that.
23:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, I don't know. It's kind of a random, one-off situation.
23:51 Andrew Manganelli? The whole thing of like, calling storage memory irks me so much, but I know that's because I'm a turd. And like, I should not go correcting people like that. But there have been, I've seen Walmart, uh, like plaques in front of laptops that say like, "256 gigs of memory." And it's like, that's just wrong.
24:09 Speaker 01 So I guess it's a reasonable mistake to make, it's fine.
24:11 Andrew Manganelli? I'm nev- I'm never correcting someone in public.
24:13 David Imel? Wasn't there like a colloquial tech spec on phones that everyone used to call some spec and then it wasn't technically correct, but everyone would get upset?
24:22 Andrew Manganelli? Is that the X mark?
24:24 David Imel? No. It was like, there was some spec that we called it-
24:29 Speaker 01 Like a one-inch sensor or something?
24:31 David Imel? Hmm.
24:32 Speaker 01 How it's not really one-inch?
24:33 David Imel? It wasn't that. It was like, yeah, maybe we should just cut this. I don't remember what it is, but I just remember someone getting mad at me in the Android Authority comments being like, "It's not that." And I was like, "Yeah, but everyone calls it that."
24:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, I was gonna say that. That's the other thing is, are online people correcting us assholes? Not really, because you expect us to get it right and it's important. But if it's just a random person out there, not that important.
24:58 Andrew Manganelli? I-
24:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:59 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, who in the off- someone in the office corrected someone outside of the office about-
25:03 Speaker 04 This came from someone in the office.
25:05 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
25:05 Speaker 04 They don't specify who they corrected or anything like that. It's just, this wasn't a thing that happened and-
25:09 Speaker 01 Hypothetical.
25:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, hypothetically.
25:11 David Imel? Yeah, I just kind of think it makes you a "well, actually" kind of person.
25:14 Andrew Manganelli? The best kind of person.
25:15 David Imel? Like, that person probably doesn't even know what RAM is.
25:18 Speaker 04 Well, actually, they do know what RAM is.
25:20 David Imel? Who?
25:20 Speaker 04 No, I'm joking.
25:21 David Imel? Oh.
25:22 Speaker 04 It was Miles.
25:24 David Imel? Miles doesn't know what RAM is.
25:26 David Imel? He's a, he has a Nexus 6P.
25:30 Speaker 01 Doesn't need RAM.
25:32 David Imel? Where we're going, we don't need RAM. Uh, I'm gonna say, kinda.
25:37 Speaker 04 Kind of?
25:38 David Imel? Yeah, kinda.
25:39 Andrew Manganelli? For saying it?
25:40 David Imel? For just...
25:41 Andrew Manganelli? For correcting?
25:42 David Imel? For being the "well, actually" guy that nobody wants to be around.
25:45 Speaker 01 What if they're telling you, like, "I'm about to go buy this thing"?
25:48 David Imel? Then I would correct them.
25:49 Speaker 01 Then I would make sure they know.
25:50 Andrew Manganelli? That's a good point.
25:50 David Imel? This is like when my sister, like, texted me that she bought a Mac Mini, and I was like, "Oh, you know you can buy the higher storage one for the same price for the next week, right? You should return it and bring it back." She's like, "No, I'm good." I was like, "What?"
26:06 David Imel? Oh, no. She's like, "What am I gonna use the storage for?" She's, I was like, "It doesn't matter, I don't know." She's like, "I just go on websites." And I was like, "Oh, my god."
26:15 Speaker 01 I guess she's fine. I guess she's fine. This is also funny, because this gets kind of close to my "am I an asshole?", but not exactly.
26:22 Andrew Manganelli? Well, that's a great segue.
26:23 Speaker 01 Should I just do mine?
26:24 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, do yours.
26:25 Speaker 01 Alright, I brought one.
26:26 David Imel? Alright.
26:26 Speaker 01 "Am I an asshole? Am I the asshole?" Tech Edition.
26:28 David Imel? Yeah.
26:29 Speaker 01 Okay.
26:30 David Imel? Okay.
26:30 Speaker 01 So you know how, when people are out and like, hanging around, socializing, just randomly having conversations?
26:36 Andrew Manganelli? Outside.
26:36 David Imel? Never done that.
26:36 Speaker 01 Outside, sometimes, yeah. Uh, they'll touch grass, and they'll be like, "Hey, I wonder, like, why is the grass like this?" Or like, "You ever wonder this random thing?", and they'll just bring up a random fact, like, "You ever know?" And then that will be like, the fodder of the conversation for like, five minutes?
26:51 David Imel? Yeah.
26:53 Speaker 01 Every single time.
26:55 David Imel? You just look at it?
26:55 Speaker 01 I take out my phone. And I look up the answer.
26:59 David Imel? Yeah.
27:00 Speaker 01 Because I feel like our conversation should be about the answer, instead of just kind of wandering around. And I always wonder, like, "Am I the asshole for that?", like...
27:10 Speaker 04 No, no, no.
27:11 Speaker 01 "I know you want to just have a conversation, this is meaningless." "You don't care what the answer is, but wouldn't it be better if we had..."
27:16 David Imel? I hear you.
27:16 Speaker 02 This isn't Joe Rogan, we can get straight to the point.
27:19 David Imel? No, I, I hear you.
27:20 Speaker 01 You know?
27:21 David Imel? I literally have had friends be like, "We don't need to look it up, we, we just need to bathe in the magic of, of wondering."
27:28 Andrew Manganelli? I think it depends on the conversation.
27:30 David Imel? But we have unlimited information.
27:32 Andrew Manganelli? We live in 2026.
27:35 David Imel? Yeah.
27:35 Andrew Manganelli? We can just say it into the air, and the answer will appear.
27:38 David Imel? I understand the value of like, having this like, maybe, maybe conversation, and maybe you can give that like, two minutes...
27:44 Andrew Manganelli? I was gonna say, you should personally set a timer.
27:46 David Imel? Or if you just go, "What does everyone think it is?"
27:50 Speaker 01 That's actually usually how it goes. Everyone will go like, man, how tall do you think that giraffe is? Is that like tall for a giraffe? And before you've even finished thinking about it, I've Googled the average height of a giraffe. Cause what good is the rest of our conversation if there's no basis in reality?
28:08 Speaker 02 Oh man, dude.
28:09 Speaker 01 You know? Am I? You can tell me if I'm the asshole. I want to know.
28:13 David Imel? I can't, I don't want to say you asshole because I do the exact same thing. But, but, but I, it is kind of an asshole.
28:22 Speaker 04 We can both be assholes.
28:23 David Imel? You.
28:24 Speaker 02 That's such a good one.
28:26 Andrew Manganelli? Describe it is like.
28:29 David Imel? What is the value in continuing to talk?
28:33 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just imagining Marquez is like, oh no, that's average for giraffe. And then everyone just sits there quiet and looks at each other. He's like, yeah, we all know.
28:40 Speaker 01 This is exactly how the Suno CEO came up with that. People actually like making music. If you could just generate music, wouldn't you just do that?
28:48 Speaker 04 Yeah. Musicians famously hate making music.
28:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:51 David Imel? Yeah.
28:52 Speaker 01 Yeah. I think people just like having conversations and like speculating randomly.
28:56 David Imel? Yes.
28:56 Speaker 01 But if there's like a real answer, I just, I don't think it detracts from the conversation. We could just like pivot the conversation a little.
29:04 David Imel? You can just stand in the corner with the knowledge and let them kind of do it.
29:08 Speaker 01 I try sometimes. I try.
29:10 Andrew Manganelli? I'm imagining Marquez at bar trivia. I just feel like, how is anyone getting this wrong? I can type this so easy.
29:18 Speaker 01 I wouldn't do this at bar trivia.
29:20 Speaker 02 I, I do like the idea of Marquez looking up the answer and then just keeping it to himself.
29:28 David Imel? They don't know.
29:28 Speaker 02 They don't know. I already know.
29:30 Speaker 01 I recently did that and I waited till the end of the conversation and then I just spit out the answer and nobody, nobody cared. It wasn't valuable.
29:37 David Imel? Honestly, Marquez, I would, that makes you the asshole.
29:41 Speaker 01 Just being like. In case anyone's wondering.
29:42 Speaker 02 I let you peasants run in your, in your frivolous little circle.
29:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
29:47 David Imel? You know how they say that the argument's never about the dishes? The conversation's never about the answer.
29:52 Speaker 01 That's exactly right.
29:53 David Imel? It's just about, it's about the connection.
29:55 Speaker 04 It just depends also, like, if you're in the middle of a conversation about, I don't know, philosophy or something, and then someone's trying to quote this one philosopher, but they can't quite remember the name, but that's not like important to the point. I think it makes you the asshole to really quickly Google that philosopher and be like, "Well, actually, to your point, it was this person, blah, blah, blah," but I, but continue.
30:14 David Imel? Right.
30:15 Speaker 04 You know, like, that, yeah, it's about the broader conversation. But if it's just like, "Who was that guy that said this thing?" Then, yeah, just [BLEEP].
30:21 Speaker 01 It'll usually be a conversation where the conversation is guessing about a fact. Like, how far away do you think that mountain is? It looks like it's so far away, and I'm already on Google Maps.
30:36 Speaker 01 It's not, like, we were gonna have the conversation of being like, "Well, it's super tall," but like, usually buildings look really tall when they're, like, far away, but when, it looks like the size of the entire state building. Like, they were gonna have this whole conversation, and I sort of just...
30:51 Andrew Manganelli? We could skip the whole talking business, we could just move on.
30:55 David Imel? Double-tapped on the right side of the screen, yeah, I just fast-forwarded.
30:58 Andrew Manganelli? I feel like Marquez is arguing for us to call him an asshole, right?
31:02 David Imel? I like this one, because it's so nuanced.
31:04 Andrew Manganelli? This is so good.
31:04 David Imel? The problem is, I do this too, so if you guys decide that it's an asshole thing...
31:08 Andrew Manganelli? I think you're aware enough that makes you not the asshole.
31:12 Speaker 04 I just can't stop.
31:12 Andrew Manganelli? It sounds like, it's, you're gonna search no matter what, you wanna know the answer. It sounds like you are aware enough in the conversations to know when to bring it up, which in itself is being polite enough for everybody.
31:26 Speaker 01 Sure, yeah.
31:27 Andrew Manganelli? But now, anytime we're talking, if I see Marquez just looking like he's gonna like, do you know the meme where the guy's like veins popping out of his head? Like, that's Marquez with the answer.
31:37 David Imel? I have an extension of this that I realize that I'm kind of an asshole for doing, but I want your guys' opinion.
31:43 Speaker 01 Okay.
31:43 David Imel? Okay, so, it's when, like, one of my friends says something, and I just don't think it's true, and I immediately look it up. And I'm not like, I do this all the time, I'm like, "Hmm, I don't really think that's..."
31:56 Andrew Manganelli? I literally did this to you on the podcast this morning. When you said I was been using Final Cut 7.
32:02 Speaker 04 That's different, because we're trying to be factual.
32:04 Andrew Manganelli? Sure, that was for trivia, but...
32:06 David Imel? Yeah, yeah, we're not...
32:07 Andrew Manganelli? But just proof that...
32:08 David Imel? You misinformation.
32:08 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I just did it.
32:09 David Imel? No, and so, like, I've had, they will mock me now. Every time I'm like, every time I'm like, they're like, "Hmm, I don't think that's quite right."
32:19 Speaker 02 It's complicated.
32:21 Andrew Manganelli? You gotta like bring it up tactfully, you know?
32:24 David Imel? I'm like, I'm sorry.
32:25 Andrew Manganelli? It's, you know, but if you don't do it in that moment, then when it's eating away at you later, it's way worse to call them at 9pm and be like, "You were wrong about this," and just hang the phone up.
32:34 David Imel? It's worse.
32:35 Speaker 02 It's like, here's, here's my version of this is like, when someone you know posts something on social media that you know is factually inaccurate, or worse, miss slash disinformation.
32:48 David Imel? I would text them and say, "This is wrong."
32:50 Speaker 02 Because someone I know did that. And I, with, they posted something on their story that was like so obviously like that person did not say that. And I wasn't like.
33:00 Andrew Manganelli? I haven't posted it in a while, so I think I'm okay.
33:02 Speaker 02 Yeah. It wasn't anyone in this room.
33:04 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
33:05 Speaker 02 But it was someone who works here.
33:09 Andrew Manganelli? On social media, if I like really liked them and know it was probably by accident, I'll throw a message. If I know it's probably misinformation, I probably just unfriend them. Cause I'm so tired of that on social media at this point.
33:21 David Imel? I would always at least bring it up.
33:23 Speaker 02 I did not, so I guess, I guess that makes, I thought I was not being the asshole by not bringing it up. But it sounds like I was the asshole.
33:29 Andrew Manganelli? That sounds like there's so much nuance to it.
33:31 David Imel? Yeah, it depends on the person.
33:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:34 David Imel? Yeah. And the relationship with the person, yeah. It's, do you think that the misquote was like, you don't think it was intentional?
33:41 Speaker 02 I know it wasn't intentional because the commentary about the quote was like, "Can you believe this person said this?" To which I was like, "No."
33:48 David Imel? They did it.
33:49 Speaker 02 I cannot believe that this was, and then.
33:51 David Imel? Yeah.
33:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
33:53 David Imel? Yeah, you know, I'd bring it up to them.
33:54 Andrew Manganelli? I think facts are important. So, you know, that's why I tend to Google things way too soon.
33:59 David Imel? Stayed in the corner, let people talk.
34:00 Speaker 02 Well, I think on that note, it begs the question, "Am I the asshole for taking us to a quick ad break and letting everyone know that we'll be right back?"
34:11 David Imel? Uh, I'm gonna have to look that up.
34:13 Speaker 02 Okay.
34:14 David Imel? Nah.
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36:49 Speaker 04 Alright, well, we're back.
36:53 Speaker 04 Welcome back to, alright, I'm not doing that voice. This one comes from Blank in the studio, so you guys have to guess who it is, but I just find it funny. "Am I the asshole for saying 'nice to e-meet you'?"
37:04 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
37:06 Speaker 01 Jono.
37:07 Andrew Manganelli? I don't think Jono would do that.
37:09 Speaker 01 No?
37:09 David Imel? That's probably Eric. I thought that was Eric.
37:12 Speaker 01 Nice to e-meet you.
37:12 Andrew Manganelli? That's my least favorite. This is rich.
37:14 Speaker 02 No, no, this person, sorry. This person is asking if they're the asshole for hating people.
37:19 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, no!
37:22 Speaker 01 No.
37:22 David Imel? No, I hate everyone who says that.
37:24 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
37:24 David Imel? If I see the email and it says that, I delete it immediately.
37:28 Andrew Manganelli? I don't go that far, but I'm, it's immediate sour taste, like, as I, and I almost assume they do not care about the email at all.
37:35 David Imel? Yeah, like, who are you, Vince Surf? Like, did you just receive the first email ever? I swear to God.
37:42 Andrew Manganelli? Is that, do you guys see it differently as the opening email to you that says it? Or when someone gets added to an email where a conversation's been going on and the other person, like, feels kind of awkward coming into the conversation? They're like, "Oh, hey, nice to e-meet you."
37:55 David Imel? Just say "me." I don't care.
37:56 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it's just "me," I feel like is fine.
37:59 David Imel? "Me," or just, like, be introduced.
38:01 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
38:01 Speaker 01 I had, like, an in-person version of this recently. So, fun fact, when we went and shot the Rivian R2, we went up to California, me and Miles, and there was a couple of YouTubers there, Doug Demiro was there, went up and said, "Hey Doug, good to see you." He said, "Nice to meet you." I was like, "Oh, we haven't..."
38:15 Andrew Manganelli? You guys have never met in real...
38:17 Speaker 01 And I, in that moment, realized we'd never met. And I, I, I do this to other people all the time, where I'll go, "Hi, good to meet you," and they'll go, "Good to see you again," and I'll go, "Shit."
38:26 David Imel? Well, it's because good to see you again is the safest possible thing if you don't know if you've met them.
38:30 Speaker 01 Exactly. So I've just erased "nice to meet you," and I never say "nice to meet you" ever to anyone. I just say, "Good to see you."
38:35 David Imel? That's, that's a strong move.
38:37 Speaker 01 Because there's always a chance.
38:37 David Imel? It's the power move.
38:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. So, "nice to e-meet you" is kind of weird.
38:41 David Imel? I often say, "It's great to finally meet in real life."
38:44 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, or just "nice to finally meet you" is like, uh, we, like, "I'm surprised I haven't met you yet."
38:50 Speaker 04 What if we met already? And you don't remember?
38:52 Andrew Manganelli? Then I'm an asshole.
38:53 Speaker 02 What if you already e-met them, but not, you know, not IRL meet?
38:58 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah. I, there's obviously a difference, but you don't have to say "e-meet." That's my, I'm not mad if someone says it, but I'm not like...
39:06 Andrew Manganelli? I don't like it.
39:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:08 David Imel? Farmerse-meet.com.
39:10 Speaker 02 I prefer saying, "Thank you for gracing my digital sanctum."
39:14 Andrew Manganelli? Jesus. That's never mind. Say email. Please say email.
39:19 David Imel? No, email is awful.
39:20 Speaker 02 Do you want to guess who is so pissed off by the phrase, nice to email you that they felt the need to?
39:25 Andrew Manganelli? I would guess at that point it's Jono because he just has the most emails.
39:28 Speaker 02 It's not Jono and it's not Mariah. I don't think Mariah gets that pissed off about anything.
39:32 David Imel? Nice to email you. I feel like almost everyone would hate that. Did Eric hate that?
39:39 Andrew Manganelli? I could see Eric doing the like semi Seinfeld joke about it at lunch.
39:43 David Imel? Is it Vin?
39:44 Speaker 02 It feels very obvious to me, but maybe it's because I know the answer. Nope.
39:47 David Imel? Who gets emails?
39:47 Andrew Manganelli? Harper hated that.
39:48 Speaker 02 Nope.
39:49 Andrew Manganelli? Wow, who's left?
39:50 David Imel? Michael? Nice to email you.
39:53 Andrew Manganelli? I wish it was Marquez saying this one.
39:55 Speaker 02 Tim.
39:56 Andrew Manganelli? Tim.
39:57 David Imel? Tim, nice to email you.
39:58 Andrew Manganelli? I could see that.
39:59 David Imel? Tim and I get annoyed at the same thing.
40:01 Speaker 02 Everyone email Tim and just say, hi, nice to email you.
40:05 David Imel? Tim at McVie.
40:05 Andrew Manganelli? I'm gonna slack him that later.
40:09 Speaker 02 Here's another one from inside the house. That was a bad joke. That was so bad. Would I be the asshole for checking my phone while watching a movie at home with someone without getting a notification first?
40:22 David Imel? Yeah. Okay, so.
40:25 Speaker 02 You're at home.
40:27 David Imel? Yeah, you're at home. You're just checking just to see.
40:29 Speaker 02 You're just checking because phantom limbs.
40:31 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, wait, yeah. Describe checking. Describe checking.
40:33 David Imel? Just like unlocking, locking?
40:35 Speaker 02 This person, this person they mentioned, you are not scrolling, but you are unlocking.
40:39 David Imel? Yeah, you're just.
40:40 Andrew Manganelli? You're unlocking, see no notifications, turn it off, put it face down again.
40:44 David Imel? Sure. I don't think it makes you an asshole because it's like we've been accustomed.
40:49 Andrew Manganelli? You're just a modern human.
40:50 David Imel? Yeah. You're checking the extension of your body.
40:53 Andrew Manganelli? Aren't all modern humans assholes?
40:55 David Imel? We're just.
40:56 Andrew Manganelli? You're just alive in 2026.
40:58 David Imel? I mean, everyone like unlocks their phone, unlocks it, being like, what the heck am I doing all the time? So I don't think that that makes you an asshole.
41:06 Speaker 02 Not during a movie.
41:06 Andrew Manganelli? I think the fact that during a movie, you put the phone down and went, am I an asshole? I think that's enough that you're not an asshole.
41:12 David Imel? Looking up something.
41:13 Andrew Manganelli? Awareness is key in a lot of these, it feels like.
41:16 David Imel? I don't know, like just using an app separately from the movie, I think that's actually kind of an asshole.
41:20 Andrew Manganelli? I think you're not the asshole, but I think if you're thinking about it, you've realized that like, man, I need to work on my phone behavior.
41:27 Speaker 02 I'm willing to die on this hill. I don't think you can pull your phone out even for one second, even for one frame of a movie, and still say you watched the movie. There's not a sing- if you-
41:41 Andrew Manganelli? I think the movie should be better and I shouldn't want to pull my phone-
41:43 Speaker 02 If you're watching a movie-
41:44 David Imel? There's no slow parts in movies?
41:46 Speaker 02 I'm not saying you can't like blink, no, but it's, dude, the amount of times I've been like, "Yo, I'm really excited to show you this movie." And someone pulls their phone out for two seconds and there's just, there's not a single two seconds that I would say like-
41:58 David Imel? I'm crap.
41:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, you could miss those two, you know, so that, nothing, man-
42:03 David Imel? It's like when I'm having a conversation with someone and then they just start texting someone and I'm like, "Damn."
42:07 Speaker 02 Oh, I do that all the time.
42:08 David Imel? I know.
42:09 Andrew Manganelli? We're all cooked with these Orion glasses.
42:12 Speaker 02 "Oh yeah, I was totally watching this movie."
42:16 David Imel? Yeah, well, if you tell someone to watch a movie, but they're wearing their Meta Orion smart glasses-
42:22 Speaker 02 Should we do that next? Cause that's, that's also, wait, real quick, so you are an asshole for pulling your phone out. I'm overriding you.
42:28 David Imel? Am I an asshole for-
42:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, for any reason during a movie.
42:30 David Imel? Am I an asshole for owning Meta display smart- yes.
42:34 Speaker 02 If we're at your house and we're watching a movie that you wanted to watch, you can pull out your phone and do it all the time. But I'm, if I'm watching a movie-
42:41 Andrew Manganelli? I will say, movie theater, dark, tons of other people, don't pull your phone out at all. Like even just the real quick look at it is like a flashbang going off, I feel like. Don't do that.
42:52 David Imel? Say life hack, which last time I said life hack, someone put it in a clip and said, "David's top productivity habits," which is insane, because I'm not a productive person. And it was literally making my bed in the morning and they made, turned into a YouTube clip for some reason. Anyway.
43:07 Speaker 02 You're talking about the time when you were like, "Ah, I feel so much better to have your bed made when you get to work."
43:11 David Imel? And then someone made a YouTube short-
43:12 Speaker 02 It's not a life hack, that's actually something that takes more time.
43:15 David Imel? Productivity hack.
43:15 Speaker 02 It's not a-
43:17 David Imel? Anyway, uh, I think people should be, should use do not disturb way more than they, they do currently.
43:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
43:24 David Imel? I am so liberal with that do not disturb button. As soon as I start watching a movie with a friend, do not disturb.
43:30 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, this phone's over here, do not disturb.
43:32 David Imel? Go to dinner, do not disturb.
43:33 Speaker 02 I saw, I saw a screenshot on Twitter of someone who in their email signature, like the automatically generated email signature, it said, "I only respond to emails on Tuesdays between 7 and 8 and Thursdays between 7 and 8 p.m." Which was like.
43:47 Speaker 01 That's like I'm not emailing that person.
43:49 Speaker 02 That's sick. I could never do that, but that's sick as hell to just be like, listen, you're gonna hear from me.
43:55 Speaker 01 Like I'm outside.
43:56 Speaker 02 This time.
43:56 Speaker 01 I'm outside your house trying to deliver this package. Where are you? Sorry.
44:01 Speaker 02 Just email, just email.
44:01 Andrew Manganelli? I like that because if you don't, then you know, okay, I sent this email. Oh, it's Tuesday at nine o'clock now. I ain't getting any mail back. You've lost already.
44:12 Speaker 01 That's a, that's a good policy for someone who doesn't get that many emails. I'll say.
44:16 Speaker 02 All right. But Marquez, you did bring up a good thing. So I want to talk about VR headset usage because so many of these.
44:22 Andrew Manganelli? VR?
44:23 Speaker 02 So many of these things got passed, or AR, XR.
44:26 Speaker 01 Want to talk about the glasses or the headset?
44:27 Speaker 02 Talk about the headset.
44:28 Speaker 01 Headset, okay.
44:30 Speaker 02 Someone in the office asked.
44:32 Speaker 01 Vision Pro on the.
44:33 Speaker 02 Would you be the, yeah, would you be the asshole for end of the day bed scroll with your partner doing it in a vision?
44:41 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
44:43 Speaker 01 This is, that's. Yes. It's just like the Apple ad where they're just like watching a movie on the Vision Pro together.
44:48 Andrew Manganelli? Well, is, is your mouth open or closed?
44:50 Speaker 01 Hold on.
44:51 Andrew Manganelli? When you're doing this? Hey, hey, but you're in the, you're in bed with your partner. You want to watch something there asleep. Inside of it.
45:00 Speaker 02 No, no, that's not the, that's.
45:02 Andrew Manganelli? You said bed scroll.
45:03 Speaker 02 That's true.
45:03 Speaker 01 You're both.
45:04 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
45:04 Speaker 02 I think it sort of implied that it's a, that, that, that your partner's awake.
45:07 Speaker 01 It's a group activity.
45:08 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, okay. I was gonna say, because there's so many times I'm watching TV while Claire falls asleep. And in that scenario, the TV is on and the whole room is bright because I'm watching the TV. So using a VR headset might be the more polite way of doing it.
45:21 Speaker 01 I've seen that argument.
45:22 Andrew Manganelli? Unless she wakes up and sees me in a VR headset and then it scares the ever living piss out of her.
45:28 Speaker 01 I've also seen the argument of, well, if you're like late night gaming or like doing, or watching a movie, for example.
45:34 Andrew Manganelli? You're on your honeymoon.
45:35 Speaker 01 No, your, your partner's trying to sleep, but you want to watch a movie. You have the headset on and the, and the headphones on so that you're not waking up the person sleeping. That is the opposite of being an asshole.
45:46 Andrew Manganelli? It's very courteous of you to put a headset on.
45:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, but it's still creepy.
45:48 Andrew Manganelli? But, but the, what you're describing, which is the, which is a group activity, the late.
45:55 Speaker 01 About to go to sleep scroll, where you show them something and they're like, laugh, laugh. Then I think you, you have to take the headset off. You can't share that with them.
46:04 David Imel? Yeah.
46:05 Speaker 01 Unless you have, what's the feature where they can see the same thing? Share spaces? Unless you're doing that, then you're really modern.
46:12 David Imel? I don't think ever, I don't think anyone has ever done that outside of the Apple campus.
46:15 Speaker 01 I do, once a year for the briefing.
46:17 David Imel? Yeah, for the briefing.
46:18 Speaker 01 And I'm like, oh, we can play chess in Vision Pro. And then I'm like.
46:23 David Imel? Yeah. Maybe play chess in real life.
46:26 Andrew Manganelli? A lot of these relationship ones can usually be done with just talk to your partner before you do the thing. It's probably way easier.
46:33 David Imel? Or before you do the thing, yeah.
46:34 Speaker 04 I have one that's inspired by our very own Ellis. So Ellis, you cannot partake in this one.
46:42 Speaker 04 My packages keep getting stolen from my apartment, so I installed a Ring camera. My neighbor then complained that he doesn't feel comfortable because it's pointed right at his front door, but I refuse to remove it. Am I the asshole?
46:54 David Imel? Yes.
46:55 Speaker 01 No.
46:56 Andrew Manganelli? Isn't Ellis saying this from the position of his neighbor?
46:59 Speaker 02 I didn't write this.
47:00 Speaker 04 No, I wrote this. Yeah.
47:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:01 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
47:02 Speaker 04 I'm saying it's inspired by Ellis's story he told a couple of weeks ago.
47:04 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
47:04 Speaker 02 What you're saying is even though this literally happened to me, like I am literally that guy, was that guy, that neighbor no longer is my neighbor, but um, so. None of, none of my current neighbors ever better put up a Ring camera because it'll happen to you too. You'll also be a former neighbor. But um, uh, but uh, I'm, I'm not even sure that they're the asshole, you know?
47:24 Speaker 01 I think if the explicit problem was their packages keep getting stolen, then that is a valid attempt at dissuading or solving or getting a. That's like the best way to like get a picture of the person.
47:36 David Imel? It's pointed at your door?
47:37 Speaker 01 It happens to also.
47:39 Andrew Manganelli? Well, but that's like an apartment.
47:40 Speaker 02 In my situation, it's, it's a like where it's, I'm at sort of like the corner of a hallway. And so there's two doors perpendicular to one another.
47:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:47 Speaker 02 So their doorbell being like on their door.
47:51 Andrew Manganelli? Faces right at your door.
47:52 Speaker 02 Faces right at my door. They, I am realizing in this moment, they could have gotten one of the angled holders. So it, it goes across their door perpendicular and then we'll look at a wall. So maybe.
48:01 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, but what's it gonna stop if it looks at a wall?
48:03 Speaker 01 Yes.
48:04 Speaker 02 What's a Ring camera gonna stop?
48:05 Andrew Manganelli? Or not stop, you're gonna see who's stealing it.
48:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:07 Speaker 02 No, no.
48:08 Andrew Manganelli? You know, there's a 50% chance they think you're stealing the packages, right?
48:11 Speaker 02 Look at me. I mean, it does kind of sound like, hey, they take, take out your Ring cam. But first of all, I just want to say, there's. Proof at how ridiculous all this is, is they still got all of their mail stolen with the
48:21 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
48:22 Speaker 01 So it's like, now they have a photo of the person.
48:24 Speaker 02 I know the guy was like, like, no one would ever commit a crime when there's cameras everywhere.
48:32 Speaker 02 That was my dumb guy accent.
48:34 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Sounds very New York.
48:38 Speaker 01 I think that if I was, if I was that, in that neighbor's shoes and I was like, dang, I keep, my packages keep getting stolen and I don't, I'm gonna keep getting packages. What is the most productive thing that I can do in this case? I can't like, prevent the packages from being stolen if they keep getting delivered, but I can get a literal photo of the person who's stealing the packages and then maybe get that to the police or something like, I can do, I can do something here with a ring camera.
49:02 Andrew Manganelli? I would set a trap.
49:03 Speaker 04 But then if your neighbor comes, okay, Mark Rober, but then if your neighbor comes and says like, hey, this bothers me.
49:09 Speaker 01 Then it could be like, hey, neighbor, I understand this bothers you. What's been bothering me is all my packages getting stolen. So maybe we could collaborate here on like a solution that works for both of us.
49:18 Speaker 02 Toot, toot, man, I know you said I'm not allowed to chime in.
49:21 Speaker 01 And I'm definitely bad.
49:23 Speaker 02 No, I, I.
49:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:25 Andrew Manganelli? It's like.
49:28 Speaker 02 You could put a ring camera, you know, facing not my, like, there is a, there is a way.
49:33 Speaker 01 That's a good plan.
49:33 Speaker 02 I should have, I should have proposed that. That, that was on me. Also, I live in the same building and I just don't ship stuff there.
49:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:42 Andrew Manganelli? I was gonna say. Not everyone has that benefit of being able to like get it to their work or something like that.
49:48 Speaker 01 Depends on what you order.
49:49 Speaker 02 There's ways to figure this out.
49:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:53 Speaker 01 If that guy was stealing that person's.
49:55 Andrew Manganelli? This guy definitely thinks Ellis is stealing the packages.
49:58 Speaker 02 I really hope these neighbors, these former neighbors who were really, really great neighbors, don't hear this.
50:04 Andrew Manganelli? If I, if I had my packages stolen, put up a ring camera and immediately my neighbor was like, you take that camera down. I would be like, oh my God, I know who's doing it now.
50:14 Speaker 01 I'm definitely losing it up.
50:16 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. I'd be like, oh, it's a fake camera. And then it'd be on and then I'd watch Ellis steal my packages.
50:22 Speaker 04 That's what he was probably hoping. He was probably shocked when it wasn't Ellis stealing the package.
50:26 Andrew Manganelli? It's a tough one. I think also in a situation where you're living in like an apartment complex or whatever, where doors are so close, it's like a.
50:34 Andrew Manganelli? It's tough to figure stuff out like that.
50:37 Speaker 02 But I still wouldn't, I still, even though I was the one aggrieved by the situation, I still would not say you're the asshole for doing that. I, maybe it's just because I, I like these people, but.
50:46 David Imel? Don't backtrack now. You were just threatening them 10 minutes ago.
50:50 Speaker 01 We just know that they're not.
50:52 Andrew Manganelli? Listen, I love them. All their packages were great.
50:56 David Imel? I didn't steal any packages.
50:58 Speaker 01 If, if it's all about intent, then I would say the intent is, is not bad. They're not an asshole.
51:05 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, it's the asshole. I can throw mine out if we're ready for another one. I had a hard time thinking of mine because I think I'm extremely unconfrontational, so I'd rather just not be the asshole. But then.
51:20 David Imel? Not being the asshole makes you the asshole.
51:22 Andrew Manganelli? Well, probably. I also say I can't think of any, but that doesn't mean that no one else can think of one, because Mark has thought of one immediately. Which is, I don't, I think people in this room will agree with me, I'm not the asshole, but I think the reason they'll agree with me probably makes me more of an asshole. And I'll explain that in a second. Mark has said, well, you do use a mechanical keyboard inside the studio with other people who work here.
51:44 David Imel? You're the asshole.
51:44 Andrew Manganelli? A lot of people online call me the asshole for that. I think the reason you guys might not is because I've probably convinced all of you guys to also use mechanical keyboards in the studio, which makes me a bigger asshole, because now lots of people use mechanical keyboards.
51:59 David Imel? There's no such thing as silence in this studio. There's already enough sound pollution all the time that it just kind of fades into the background.
52:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, there's like a din of the studio now, of like the HVACs and the mechanical keyboards and the dog footprints or whatever, the pitter patter. It's just, it's just kind of like always a little bit annoying.
52:15 David Imel? When there are only like five of us, it was like eerily quiet sometimes. You'd be like, you know, doing this on your desk. And I'd just be like typing and be like, nobody's talking. It's super weird. I can't talk to Adam.
52:28 Andrew Manganelli? He would just text me like, what do you think they're thinking about? You can't know when someone's really in the zone too, because it's just.
52:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm picturing, uh, what's that Apple TV show Severance? You know, like a workspace like that where it's like just stark? And like one person has a mechanical keyboard? That would be pretty bad. That would feel like you're making too much noise.
52:48 Andrew Manganelli? So I am not the asshole because I gave you all enough keyboards to make it not solely my fault anymore?
52:55 Speaker 01 You, you helped increase the noise floor enough that you didn't, you weren't such an outlier anymore. So it's, yeah, you're not the asshole. Yeah.
53:04 Andrew Manganelli? I have a feeling out of everything we've talked about in the comments, I'm going to get shit on the most right now. People really get, all the studio videos we've made about mechanical keyboards is a lot of people being really mad at me for even thinking about using one in the office.
53:18 Speaker 01 It's very satisfying. That's like the, see, every hobby has this. It's like people who like loud cars. It's like, well, your neighbors hate you, but if all your neighbors had loud cars, you'd all be chill.
53:27 Andrew Manganelli? The thing about a loud car, because I am one of those neighbors that hates loud cars, is don't, it's the time of day. If it's 2:00 PM, I'm running to the window to see what car it is.
53:38 Speaker 01 Sure.
53:38 Andrew Manganelli? If it's 2:00 AM, you're an asshole.
53:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's valid. That's valid.
53:42 Speaker 02 Hot take, that's how I feel about people who play music out of speakers on the subway.
53:47 Andrew Manganelli? They're all, oh, what?
53:49 Speaker 02 People are like, oh, like it's so disruptive. It's sort of like, I'm like, yeah, do you hate music?
53:54 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
53:55 Speaker 02 Like, what is wrong with you?
53:56 Speaker 01 What about, is it 100% asshole if you're the music on speakers on a hike guy?
54:01 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
54:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:02 Andrew Manganelli? I was ready for that.
54:03 Speaker 01 Oh, that's 100%.
54:04 Andrew Manganelli? Especially in like a national park that's like, you're probably spending a lot of money to vacation there. It's like, if.
54:09 Speaker 01 For the serene sounds and then there's just Creed playing like in the distance, you know?
54:14 Andrew Manganelli? My like favorite part about national parks is how many times you can be in a scenario where like, I don't think anyone's within miles of me. And then, yeah, if [BLEEP] hits the, the switchback coming up, it's just shitty music.
54:29 Speaker 02 It's not like, it's not like I want to hear the subway, you know, like.
54:34 Andrew Manganelli? Am I the asshole for interrupting you to take us to another ad break?
54:38 Speaker 01 Oh.
54:40 Andrew Manganelli? There'll be suspense.
54:41 David Imel? You're writing trivia.
54:42 Speaker 01 I don't think about trivia.
54:43 Andrew Manganelli? Misinput.
54:45 Speaker 01 Miss fire.
54:46 Andrew Manganelli? We'll be back after these messages.
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57:05 David Imel? Alright, welcome back. I have one that has plagued people for generations. Um, probably only one generation, because that's how old the technology is. Uh, okay, location sharing. This is a very widely debated topic.
57:19 Speaker 01 This is...
57:20 David Imel? If you don't want to share your location with your partner, and they really want you to, does that make you an asshole?
57:29 Speaker 01 The simple question is, why? That is the only question. I mean, for me...
57:34 Speaker 04 You're saying, why do you not want to share?
57:36 Speaker 01 No, why do they want it so badly?
57:38 Speaker 04 Interesting.
57:39 Speaker 01 Well, maybe that's just me asking that.
57:40 David Imel? But here's the crazy thing, is like, the reason I don't like sharing my location really with anybody is just because I just don't think anyone has the right to have my location ever, just as a principles thing.
57:49 Speaker 04 Except daddy Google.
57:50 Andrew Manganelli? Well, that's what I wanted to ask, is...
57:52 David Imel? Sergey Brin. He's no R M anytime. Come on, Sergey.
57:57 Andrew Manganelli? Hit me with your drone. Reasoning is like giving, uh, apps the, uh, approval to like track your location, which I guess they kind of...
58:05 David Imel? Apps are not a person. I just don't like the idea of...
58:09 Speaker 04 You mean like Find My, like Find Friends or whatever?
58:11 David Imel? I don't, yeah, because there have been scenarios before where someone... I, I like the plausible deniability, you know?
58:18 Andrew Manganelli? That's, don't use that as your reasoning.
58:21 David Imel? That's not, that's not my reason. I'm just, that, that isn't my reason.
58:25 Speaker 02 But I just want to keep the option there.
58:27 David Imel? No, that isn't my reason, but just imagine, I mean, there's, there's a lot of reasons, okay? I just don't like anyone being able to just like, open their phone and be like, oh, David is right here, right now.
58:37 Speaker 01 There's, yeah.
58:38 David Imel? I just don't like that.
58:39 Speaker 01 I'm with you. I, I think there's very much two types of people, and I've observed both types. Type one is like, they open the thing and there's a map and there's 40 dots on there and they're like, let's see who's doing what. I'm like, what?
58:50 Speaker 01 And then the other half is like, don't ever look for my dot on a map. That's insane.
58:54 David Imel? Yeah.
58:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
58:55 Speaker 04 One thing worth bringing up here, though, is that, for me personally, I know a lot of women in my life like using location sharing because it's like a safety thing.
59:03 David Imel? Absolutely.
59:04 Speaker 04 So, in that case, it could be that they're asking for like, because that's how they think about location sharing, you know?
59:10 Speaker 01 So, that's one, that's a one-way.
59:12 Andrew Manganelli? Can you do it one way? Way.
59:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, you can. Yes. So that would be, that's one thing. That would be like, I would like someone like my friend to know my location for this amount of time, or for forever, whatever, for as long as they want. That's cool. It's someone else requesting my location and me not wanting to.
59:27 David Imel? Yeah, but see, here's the problem. If it's your partner and your partner says, I want you to have my location all the time.
59:33 Speaker 01 I'll.
59:33 David Imel? Then you're kind of, are you an asshole for being like, but I don't want you to have mine?
59:38 Speaker 02 Yeah. Where are you trying to go, man?
59:39 Andrew Manganelli? It doesn't look great, I can tell you that.
59:41 David Imel? I don't know, the forest? I'm just saying like, I'm just saying like.
59:44 Speaker 02 What's the big deal here?
59:46 David Imel? No, because I don't, I just, it's just a principles thing, you know, generally. I will say.
59:51 Speaker 01 It's very much like the.
59:53 David Imel? Yeah, it's a.
59:54 Speaker 02 I think it's safe to say, if the answer is ever, it's a principles thing, and this is coming from someone who's a pretty principled person. If it's ever, it's principles thing, you're probably the asshole.
1:00:04 Speaker 01 No, there's.
1:00:06 Speaker 01 There's another version of this, which is like, I don't want these companies spying on me to give me good ads, like, and it's very much just like, the only benefit to that is better, more targeted ads for me, but it's a principles thing. I don't want the company to know all this information about me. And it's not shady, and they'll always go, oh, well, what's the worst that could happen? What's the, what are you hiding? It's like, I'm not hiding anything. It's just a principle. I don't want you to know anything about me.
1:00:29 David Imel? Like the ask ads.
1:00:29 Speaker 01 But now, when we flip it, it's like, I don't, it's a principles thing. It's, it's kind of the same thing. I'm not hiding anything.
1:00:35 David Imel? You're not wrong for that.
1:00:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:00:37 David Imel? Yeah, like when, like on the iPhone, when you log into new app and it's the ask ads not to trap or track or allow like more discreet targeting.
1:00:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:00:45 David Imel? And it's like, if you do not, like, ask ads not to track, it's really just because of your principles.
1:00:51 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I just hit it by default. I would say you are the asshole, but you are also right, if that makes sense.
1:00:57 David Imel? Interesting.
1:00:58 Andrew Manganelli? Like, you're allowed to be right and be the asshole in this situation.
1:01:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, that nuance.
1:01:02 David Imel? I think it's insane that we have, as a society, just completely normalized, like, always knowing where everyone is. Like, that anonymity is a blessing, and I, it's insane that we have gotten rid of that. But now, because so many people have bought into it, you become the friction point if you are the one that's like, hmm, you know?
1:01:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:20 David Imel? So.
1:01:21 Andrew Manganelli? Claire and I never did it until we had Lane, and now knowing the other person might be with Lane in a scenario, now we both have location tracking on. In case it's like, Claire and Lane went out to do this, and I haven't heard from them in a little while, can I double check it? In terms of doing it previously, we never asked, the only thing, I would just be really embarrassed by it because Claire would probably log in and be like, Taco Bell again, like, god damn it, I was making dinner tonight, but.
1:01:49 David Imel? Yeah, yeah. I'll say I used to be a just like never, never, never person. I have slowly started like just giving people access to my location.
1:01:58 Andrew Manganelli? I think there's a level to it too. How long have you been with the person? Like if we're on date two and they're like, oh, let's turn on our location track. And I was like, oh my god.
1:02:06 David Imel? Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, no, no, no.
1:02:09 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, question for you, because I haven't been on iPhone in a while. Can you set, like, can you give them permission for a certain amount of time?
1:02:16 David Imel? Yeah, you can.
1:02:16 Andrew Manganelli? You can, okay.
1:02:17 David Imel? You can do it for an hour until a certain time or indefinite.
1:02:20 Andrew Manganelli? Cause I know you could do it in Google Maps. I'm not sure if you could do it in.
1:02:22 David Imel? One hour, 24 hours or indefinite.
1:02:25 Speaker 02 No, it's one hour end of day indefinitely.
1:02:28 Speaker 01 So you can't be like, here's my week.
1:02:30 Andrew Manganelli? So could, oh, hmm.
1:02:32 Speaker 01 You have to turn it on every week or turn it off after a week of indefinite.
1:02:35 David Imel? Yeah.
1:02:36 Speaker 01 Which is.
1:02:38 David Imel? You just look like that guy.
1:02:39 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, exactly.
1:02:42 David Imel? Yeah. You do indefinite and then it's just like.
1:02:44 Andrew Manganelli? I would say if you're going to ask somebody to turn on their location tracking for you, you should probably have a somewhat of a reason why you say it. Like if you're going to be the person to go out and ask, you should be like, not just, can you turn your location tracking on? Or like, do you mind if you turn it on? It'd be nice if I saw you were in traffic on the way home and I know not to start to, it'd be like, stuff like that. If they can give a legitimate reason, then it's really hard to say no to, and then you look. I just squirming over there.
1:03:11 David Imel? Just the thought of sitting in my car and someone looking at my location without me knowing.
1:03:17 Andrew Manganelli? Wouldn't it be fun if your phone just lit up blue every time someone looked at your location? Just like boom, someone checked your location.
1:03:23 David Imel? At least I would know.
1:03:24 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:03:25 David Imel? Yeah.
1:03:25 Andrew Manganelli? I would be okay with it, actually.
1:03:27 David Imel? It's like in Japan how they mandate that your phone makes a really loud camera snap noise when you take a photo to stop people from peeping. I wish it did that because I just, the, what I don't like is not knowing that people are looking at me.
1:03:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, the color of the light is the person who checks your location. So if it's blue every time, you're like, oh, that's, that's my spouse. That's totally fine.
1:03:46 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, I'm gonna. I guess, I just thought we were talking about only your like significant other, right?
1:03:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
1:03:52 Andrew Manganelli? I don't understand why everyone wants to have all their friends on.
1:03:55 Speaker 01 Me neither.
1:03:55 Speaker 02 My girlfriend and I share our locations with each other and for Valentine's, shut up.
1:04:01 Speaker 02 And for Valentine's Day, I like cooked her this big dinner that was a surprise.
1:04:05 David Imel? Oh.
1:04:06 Speaker 02 But this funny thing did happen where she was like, she texted me, she was like, like, I was going to a butcher to go get ribs, like really nice.
1:04:15 David Imel? Why you at a butcher?
1:04:16 Speaker 02 Damn, really nice ribs. Well, no, but it's because it's like I needed them cut a really specific way that I didn't have the tools to do myself. So I needed to go to a butcher that was nice enough where I could be like, listen, I need you to, you know, handle this for me.
1:04:32 David Imel? The butcher.
1:04:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:34 David Imel? Anyway. The butcher.
1:04:35 Speaker 02 Anyway, she texted me, she was like, what are you doing tonight? And I was like, oh, I'm just gonna go home and work out, blah, blah, blah. And then she was like, then why are you here?
1:04:46 Speaker 02 I was like, uh.
1:04:48 David Imel? That's what I'm talking about. It's for a surprise. That's if, that's like, why do you use incognito mode in browser? So I can surprise my spouse.
1:04:56 Speaker 02 I think it was, I, I think it's cute to think that my girlfriend's like, oh, I don't know what Ellis is up to. And then she's like, oh, it's, he's in New Jersey again, like.
1:05:03 David Imel? Yeah. Yeah. Damn, you came to Jersey?
1:05:07 Speaker 02 No.
1:05:08 David Imel? Yeah, I don't know.
1:05:09 Speaker 02 I just come to Jersey like most of every other.
1:05:12 David Imel? I'm just saying like all, yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of things too, that it's like, if I had a spouse who was to, who was the kind of person who wants to like, look through my texts or something, I would never give them access to. Well, first of all, I would never date someone who would look through my texts. I also feel like that's a little. That's the other thing. Okay, here's the B side of this. Okay, continue, continuation, right?
1:05:32 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:05:33 David Imel? Um, okay, B side.
1:05:35 Speaker 02 I have another disclaimer. Never take any, any at all relationship advice from a technology podcast. I repeat, never take any relationship advice, ever, from a technology podcast.
1:05:49 David Imel? Okay, here's another prin, here's another principle.
1:05:51 Speaker 02 Get all of your relationship advice from Brian Johnson's Twitter.
1:05:56 Speaker 01 That's also a technology podcast, Ben.
1:05:59 David Imel? All right, here's, here's the B side to this is the if your partner asked to look through your phone, even if you had nothing to hide, would you let them do it?
1:06:11 Andrew Manganelli? Claire has all my passwords.
1:06:14 Speaker 04 Yeah, I give, I give just all my passwords and everything just in case something happens.
1:06:18 David Imel? There's, no, but like.
1:06:20 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, so she can delete my history.
1:06:23 Speaker 01 It's the same thing. I just need a why, that's all.
1:06:26 Andrew Manganelli? Of like, why?
1:06:27 Speaker 01 It's like, why do you want my location? If you have a good why, then sure. Like, why do you want to look through my phone? If you have a good why, then sure.
1:06:32 Speaker 04 Well, for me, it's, it's less like they've looked through my phone, more like we were driving at one point and she had to go through my phone to get something.
1:06:40 David Imel? Oh, that's.
1:06:40 Speaker 04 So if I give her the phone, I'm not gonna change the password after, you know, like, no, she just has it.
1:06:45 David Imel? Yeah.
1:06:45 Andrew Manganelli? I think David's saying like an accusatory, like I need to look through your phone.
1:06:48 Speaker 01 Then that's the why.
1:06:49 David Imel? And I know it makes you look worse, but.
1:06:53 Speaker 01 But your principal.
1:06:53 Speaker 04 It's a principal's thing.
1:06:55 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, it does make you look worse. It'll make you look great and them bad when they look through it and the thing they're accusing you of does not happen.
1:07:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, it makes them look bad. That's true.
1:07:03 David Imel? Oh, that's true.
1:07:04 Andrew Manganelli? If they're accusing.
1:07:07 Speaker 04 That's tough.
1:07:07 Andrew Manganelli? I. I'm very thankful I have not gone into any of these scenarios.
1:07:12 David Imel? I've also never been in the scenario. I'm just, it's, it's an interesting mind.
1:07:16 Speaker 04 Okay, what about a scenario we've all been in? Would I be the ass?
1:07:20 David Imel? Taking a bath.
1:07:21 Speaker 04 Would I be the asshole for confronting my friend for sending me too many reels per day?
1:07:26 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, so I'm making this joke, but for a while, I definitely was that asshole to Ellis. I sent him so many [bleep] reels. I think it was because when I first deleted TikTok, the, one of the first reels I probably ever sent to Ellis was probably some insane food one. And then Instagram was like, I got you. I'm only gonna send you really weird memes about like meat and cigarettes and like Creed. And I was like, I have to send every one of these to Ellis. And then after a while, he stopped responding and I was like, I should get off Instagram.
1:07:56 Speaker 04 Physically, I'm 12, but spiritually, I am like a divorced dad. You know, like Creed, cigarettes and meat, baby.
1:08:04 Speaker 01 It does seem like, I don't know. This was in our interview with Adam Misery, but like when he said, he said before that like the share button is one of the strongest signals in Instagram reels. Like when I share a reel with someone, Instagram goes, I got a lot more of that. And if I sent something, then it starts sending me more of the thing that I sent to someone. Hoping that'll send it to more people because it's something I would share. So I, I think, yeah, probably once you sent that first one, they were like.
1:08:32 David Imel? If you flip that on its head, are you the asshole for never liking the reels that someone just keeps sending you? And just like scene zoning.
1:08:44 Andrew Manganelli? I would say like, you gotta, there's a, there's a little give and take on both of these. Like clearly if people are sending reels to each other, they, they think it's funny and are genuinely thinking about them. But if you're sending five or six and not getting a response back, maybe you gotta tighten up the parameters of a share worthy reel. And then make them hit home.
1:09:05 Speaker 01 Maybe you're not there for the hundred percent engage rate. Maybe you're just there for the open rate.
1:09:09 Andrew Manganelli? Quantity over quality is a totally real thing. Waveform has 300 episodes. There's probably like seven good ones.
1:09:17 David Imel? Here's something that's crazy to me is that there are not like DM group, like there's group chats. But there's not like DM lists, right? Where you see a reel, you hit send, you can send it to a list and it individually sends it to the, all those people. And yet I have an acquaintance from college that I had like a class with. We have not spoken in a really long time and he still sends me reels. And I have not answered in six years.
1:09:47 Andrew Manganelli? This is payback because you, you won't be on as fun, my friends.
1:09:51 David Imel? I'm just like, so he has to find my name and send it to me and like, we haven't spoken in six years.
1:09:57 Speaker 01 But every time he sees a reel and he's like, and Dave is gonna like this one.
1:10:01 David Imel? I how? How do you even know who I am at this point?
1:10:06 Speaker 01 Anyway, it is crazy.
1:10:07 Andrew Manganelli? I'm never gonna call the person the asshole for sending all of it because I appreciate thinking of me.
1:10:13 Speaker 01 I think it's even better.
1:10:14 Andrew Manganelli? I start feeling bad when I.
1:10:15 Speaker 04 But the question is, are you the asshole for confronting them about it?
1:10:18 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
1:10:20 Speaker 01 You just gotta be like, hey, man.
1:10:22 Andrew Manganelli? What's confronting? Is it like, hey, man, stop sending me those reels? Or is it like, I'm sorry, dude, I just don't have time to watch all of them?
1:10:28 Speaker 01 Whatever it means to you, whatever it is in your heart.
1:10:31 Andrew Manganelli? Not the asshole?
1:10:32 Speaker 02 I think a confrontation in this situation.
1:10:34 Andrew Manganelli? Confrontation seems mean.
1:10:36 Speaker 02 It is sort of, but I think I'm, I, I probably, and I guess this does make it the asshole move, but I feel like in that situation, I probably would be like, dude.
1:10:46 Speaker 01 That's it. That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing.
1:10:47 Speaker 02 What are you doing?
1:10:48 Andrew Manganelli? Here's the thing, if they're, if they keep sending them and don't get responses back and they keep sending them, they don't care. They obviously don't care. So like, yeah, I'm not hurting anyone. If he, it's all I have to do is then click red every time.
1:11:02 Speaker 01 If they sent you a bunch of reels and you didn't respond.
1:11:06 Andrew Manganelli? And every time I saw them.
1:11:07 Speaker 01 They confronted you and were like, hey, man, you didn't answer my reels.
1:11:11 Andrew Manganelli? That is weird.
1:11:11 Speaker 01 That's the weird one. Don't do that.
1:11:14 David Imel? Yeah. But if they keep sending it even when you don't, when you just scene zone them, then they've eclipsed shame already. So they're just gonna keep doing it.
1:11:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, they just want to send you a reel. That's fine.
1:11:23 Speaker 02 I think for most people, the act of consuming reels is so brainless that also like sharing them is like.
1:11:29 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah.
1:11:30 Speaker 01 Like two taps.
1:11:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:11:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:11:31 Speaker 02 Yeah. Which actually, you know, you're right, Mark has like, it literally is designed to just be like tap, tap. And then like you show the reel. That's funny that that's the most powerful signal on Instagram, like.
1:11:42 Speaker 01 It's because it's social.
1:11:43 Andrew Manganelli? Well, but that's because reels is so little brain power that those two taps is 800 times more engagement than anything else you would do scrolling and liking.
1:11:52 Speaker 01 Yeah. I'll toss a like to a random reel, but if I, if I thought it was funny and specifically, that's why they start surfacing more. It's because I, I engaged two layers deep with this reel. I liked it so much that I thought of a person who would also like it and I sent it to them. And then that person's gonna watch it. That's a pretty good signal. So I got 30 more of those reels. Here you go.
1:12:13 Speaker 02 All right. Let's do, let's do a few more. Then we can wrap it up. This first one, am I the asshole for making my friends guess whether a given G Fuel flavor is real or not? More than once.
1:12:25 Andrew Manganelli? I think for us, no. For Vergecast, yes.
1:12:29 David Imel? Yeah, Dan Seaver was not happy with us.
1:12:31 Andrew Manganelli? And he still whooped me in it.
1:12:34 Speaker 02 Okay. Guys, would I be the asshole? A little switching it up. Would I be the asshole for using ChatGPT to write someone a birthday card?
1:12:45 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
1:12:45 Speaker 01 Yes. No.
1:12:48 Speaker 01 Not by default. Not by default.
1:12:52 Speaker 02 Explain.
1:12:52 Speaker 01 However.
1:12:53 Speaker 02 How would you make it not an asshole move?
1:12:55 Speaker 01 So, writing someone a birthday card is already a very high effort thing to do. Not a lot of people get birthday cards. So, if you're going through the effort to not just like text them happy birthday, or write on their Facebook wall because Facebook told you it was their birthday, you're mailing them a card. That's already eclipsed the threshold of effort to not be an asshole. And if they never know that you used AI assistance in this, then
1:13:21 Speaker 04 Oh, you just made it more the asshole.
1:13:23 Speaker 01 Perfectly acceptable.
1:13:24 Speaker 02 You're not just my best friend, you're my best, best friend.
1:13:27 Speaker 01 I assume you're using AI not because you have zero thoughts on how to write a happy birthday card. You're probably looking for a little extra fun, or like a rhyme scheme, or for something extra to make it a good card.
1:13:38 Speaker 02 I feel like you're using AI because it's too much effort.
1:13:41 Speaker 01 It's too much effort, but you're writing and mailing them a card already?
1:13:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:13:46 Speaker 01 I think you're trying to take it to the next level with some AI assistance.
1:13:49 Speaker 04 Well, my thing is if you're already doing it, just do it. Like, if you're going through the effort to get the letter and mail it out, like, just write the letter then.
1:13:59 Speaker 01 I think it's potentially true that adding AI assistance made it more work and made it better.
1:14:06 Speaker 02 Okay, here's an asterisk. How much time would you have to spend conversing with this LLM about the nature of your friendship with this person?
1:14:16 Speaker 04 That's a good
1:14:16 Speaker 02 For you no longer to be the impersonal asshole?
1:14:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, don't, so it's like, what part of the letter are you getting help with? Because I don't know what the letter is. It could, like, is the letter, like, oh, this person is like my, one of my friends in my fantasy basketball, like, group, and like, I'm mailing him a card because I'm whooping him this week, and I thought it'd be hilarious if we got a card. Help me write something that's like funny and relates to basketball. Like, you're going the extra mile to mail them a specific card and you're getting help with AI.
1:14:47 Speaker 04 What if you used your brain?
1:14:47 Speaker 02 I would say, let's say
1:14:49 Speaker 01 We never
1:14:50 Speaker 04 Not everyone's Marques's examples don't seem that bad.
1:14:54 Andrew Manganelli? I just like
1:14:55 Speaker 01 I'm just not willing to default 100% like the guy in the woods with the speaker.
1:15:00 Andrew Manganelli? This is a podcast talking about Reddit. We're supposed to default 100% on something.
1:15:04 Speaker 01 I think you can use AI to help write someone a birthday card and mail it to them in a very high effort way that does not make you an asshole. So I'm not going to go 100% on that one.
1:15:15 David Imel? Are you writing with your hands?
1:15:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, you're going through all that mailing effort, but you got you got chat GPT to give you like a like a haiku scheme. So you could be better at making a haiku or something out of it.
1:15:27 David Imel? Yeah, when I was a child, I would get irrationally angry and I would still get irrationally angry at like when some random family member that I never spoke to on my birthday would send me a birthday card that was literally just the card that they bought at Walgreens.
1:15:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's that's more.
1:15:40 David Imel? I was like, I understand there's ever involved here, but like you're mailing it in so hard.
1:15:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:15:47 David Imel? You're mailing your feelings in, you're you're distributing.
1:15:49 Speaker 01 Thank you.
1:15:50 David Imel? Literally mailing it in. You're you're like outsourcing your brain and your feelings to some Walgreens writer.
1:15:58 Speaker 01 That's a great point. What's worse?
1:16:00 David Imel? It's not that different.
1:16:01 Speaker 01 The Walgreens written one? That's definitely impersonal or the I use AI to make one?
1:16:07 David Imel? I think Walgreens is worse. I think a pre-written card from Walgreens is worse, to be honest. Cause it is it is it's copied.
1:16:15 Speaker 01 It's generic. You know that other people got the same card too.
1:16:18 David Imel? Yeah.
1:16:18 Speaker 01 That's what makes it.
1:16:19 David Imel? At least for the LLM, you're giving it context.
1:16:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:16:22 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just, do you guys send cards where you don't write anything else in it?
1:16:26 Speaker 01 Sometimes I've gotten those.
1:16:27 David Imel? I get them. Yeah.
1:16:28 Speaker 01 I have gotten them.
1:16:29 Andrew Manganelli? That's crazy. I think those, that's crazy.
1:16:31 David Imel? They'll just sign, they'll just sign their name at the end.
1:16:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, this is a principle one. This is like, yeah, Marquez, you're right. Like, may, yeah, I see where you're coming from.
1:16:40 Andrew Manganelli? Marquez's thing makes it sound like I'm trying to be creative in a way I'm not creative and I want to put the extra effort in, which I don't think is the the like when we're talking about this specific, am I the asshole? It's like. I don't have, I want to make it look like I have a, I want to trick them. You did in one point say, if they don't know it's AI, what's it matter? That was kind of an asshole move, but uh.
1:17:02 Speaker 01 I guess in the case of the Hallmark card where it's pre-written, you know it's pre-written. So you know that there is zero effort. In the case of like the handwritten letter, you don't know how much effort there was. Maybe this person's really clever and wrote a clever thing, or maybe they had help. I don't know.
1:17:16 Speaker 02 A central plot point of the movie Her is that the titular character, titular character, the guy Her.
1:17:23 Andrew Manganelli? The main character.
1:17:24 Speaker 01 The main guy.
1:17:25 David Imel? The her guy.
1:17:26 Speaker 02 The Joaquin Phoenix looking guy.
1:17:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:17:28 David Imel? Um, yeah, he is a, he is a greeting card writer.
1:17:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, he's a greeting card writer. That's his job is he, he writes greeting cards for rich people who don't have time. I guess you knew a guy.
1:17:36 David Imel? Why would he have to do that when they have AI?
1:17:38 Speaker 01 Person who, uh, who sort of moonlight writes for PR statements for like CEOs.
1:17:45 Speaker 02 Oh, nevermind. I thought it was like personal writing.
1:17:47 Andrew Manganelli? Mr. Deeds also a greeting card writer? Oh, God. Am I the asshole for liking old Adam Sandler?
1:17:55 Speaker 02 Oh, oh, oh.
1:17:57 David Imel? Ultimately, I think the effort ladder, like the, the effort ladder is you wrote it completely yourself.
1:18:03 Speaker 01 That's the highest.
1:18:04 David Imel? You wrote it with the help of an ML, L, MLM, LLM with all the context of the person.
1:18:10 Speaker 01 Right below it.
1:18:11 David Imel? You wrote it just with the ML, L, L, LLM with no context at all.
1:18:16 Speaker 01 And didn't edit it at all.
1:18:17 David Imel? And didn't edit it all. And then Hallmark card is on the bottom.
1:18:20 Speaker 01 Of lowest effort.
1:18:21 David Imel? Yeah.
1:18:21 Speaker 01 Even, even lower below that is just a text. I think when you're getting to the point of mailing them something.
1:18:27 David Imel? No, but text is not pre-written by somebody else. So it's actually higher than Hallmark.
1:18:31 Speaker 01 Oh, interesting. That's interesting.
1:18:33 David Imel? You had to use your own brain to do it.
1:18:34 Speaker 01 I just think the, the, the threshold of I'm buying a card for you to put in an envelope and write your name and address on and mailing it to you to arrive around your birthday is already a lot of effort.
1:18:48 David Imel? I know it's effort, but it's, but it's like, it's more of a formality. It's like when your mom says, we have to do this and you say, why? And they said, cause we've always done it that way. Like you're not using any of your own, you know.
1:18:59 Andrew Manganelli? I think call your homies.
1:19:01 David Imel? Critical thought.
1:19:02 Speaker 01 Call your homies.
1:19:02 Andrew Manganelli? Call your homies, man. Call them on their birthday.
1:19:04 Speaker 01 Please never call them.
1:19:08 Speaker 01 Please don't call me.
1:19:09 Andrew Manganelli? Marquez, I'm calling you. We should all say, "AI card."
1:19:12 Speaker 01 Am I an asshole? Don't ever call me. Please.
1:19:14 Speaker 02 There's a, there's a new AI for that, bro. You get Open Cloud to call your homies on their birthday.
1:19:20 Speaker 01 With Twilio. Okay, this is a good one to end it on.
1:19:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, okay.
1:19:24 Speaker 01 Yes or no, are you an asshole if you just cold call someone in the middle of the day?
1:19:28 Andrew Manganelli? No.
1:19:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:19:29 Andrew Manganelli? What's cold call mean?
1:19:31 Speaker 02 No, no, not at all.
1:19:31 Speaker 01 It's your birthday. Your homie's calling you for your birthday.
1:19:33 Andrew Manganelli? No.
1:19:34 Speaker 01 It's 4:30 in the afternoon, they're calling you right now.
1:19:36 Andrew Manganelli? If it's your birthday, no.
1:19:38 Speaker 01 No.
1:19:38 Andrew Manganelli? But if it's a regular Tuesday, don't call me.
1:19:40 David Imel? What?
1:19:41 Andrew Manganelli? No, I totally disagree, especially because we all have caller ID, and if you, the person, doesn't want to pick up, y'all don't have to pick up. No, because if you never call me- Just don't pick up if you don't want to talk to me. If you never call me, and now you're calling me at 3 o'clock on a Tuesday, I think something's wrong. I'm picking up, I'm freaking out.
1:19:56 David Imel? You pick up, you freak out, and then I say, "How's it going?" I-
1:20:00 Andrew Manganelli? That's the asshole. That specifically is the asshole.
1:20:02 David Imel? Yeah, okay.
1:20:02 Andrew Manganelli? "How's it going, man?"
1:20:03 David Imel? But-
1:20:04 Andrew Manganelli? What?
1:20:05 David Imel? But like-
1:20:05 Andrew Manganelli? Why'd you call me?
1:20:06 David Imel? I like getting called out of the blue by friends that I don't talk to that often.
1:20:09 Andrew Manganelli? No.
1:20:10 David Imel? And if they just want to chat, even if I'm not free, I'm like, "Oh, sorry dude, I'm not free right now, but we should catch up." It's just catching up.
1:20:16 Speaker 01 Give me an out.
1:20:18 Speaker 01 Send me a text, "Hey, can I call you later?" Let me say nothing.
1:20:21 Andrew Manganelli? I, I need to mentally prepare for a conversation.
1:20:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, why?
1:20:25 Andrew Manganelli? I can't just pick up the phone and start talking. After the last three answers, I'm convinced Marquez is the guy bringing his Xbox to the honeymoon.
1:20:33 Speaker 01 I don't mean like, "Hey, uh, I don't want to talk to you right now." I'd rather stare at a screen.
1:20:40 David Imel? Yeah. As someone who gets like 300 emails a day, I guess-
1:20:43 Andrew Manganelli? That's fair.
1:20:44 David Imel? Calling me is like, it's gotta be a certain urgency level.
1:20:48 Speaker 02 I just want to say I'm proud of you guys, uh, during the course that I called all three of you, because I thought it would be really funny, and you guys are all either on airplane or dude not disturbed.
1:20:56 David Imel? DND.
1:20:57 Andrew Manganelli? I don't think I'm in any of those things.
1:20:59 Speaker 02 Well-
1:21:00 Andrew Manganelli? I am watching the Olympics. I am watching Team USA play quarterfinals right now.
1:21:05 Speaker 01 Am I the asshole? I'm on a podcast with you, but I'm also watching the game.
1:21:08 David Imel? Is that cool? Is that fine?
1:21:10 Andrew Manganelli? Listen, I've been waiting 14 years for this Olympics and the NHL. Sorry.
1:21:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:21:15 Andrew Manganelli? This is elimination games.
1:21:16 Speaker 01 I've been waiting 14 years for my new Streetlight Manifest album. If that dropped into the old pod, I'd have my earphones in.
1:21:21 David Imel? Fair enough.
1:21:22 Speaker 02 Guys, you did an excellent job at checking this. Um, it seems like the only two things you can do and not be an asshole in your eyes are-
1:21:31 Andrew Manganelli? Everyone's so-
1:21:32 Speaker 02 Are, uh, ask your family to take their old photos off of iCloud and
1:21:38 Andrew Manganelli? If you're paying for it.
1:21:39 Speaker 02 Switch to Android.
1:21:41 David Imel? Can we have like?
1:21:41 Speaker 01 Hey, let us know in the comments if you agree or disagree with any of our, or maybe present some more and then we'll do another episode because this is actually really fun. And I want to know what other situations you guys have that we can agree with or disagree with. So A I T. A.
1:21:57 Speaker 01 A I T A.
1:21:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:22:00 Speaker 01 Hit us up.
1:22:00 Speaker 02 And you can officially bring your children back in the room.
1:22:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, we're back. We're back. We're gonna censor stuff from here on out. Back to your regular scheduled programming. See you guys soon.
1:22:10 David Imel? Censorship is coming.
1:22:12 Andrew Manganelli? Waveform is produced by [BLEEP] Adam Malina.
1:22:16 Andrew Manganelli? Waveform is produced by Adam Malina and Ellis River and a partner of Vox Media Podcast Network. And our intro music is created by Vansil.
1:22:20 David Imel? Bingo.
1:22:21 Speaker 02 Bingo.
1:22:33 Andrew Manganelli? Why do you think there's so many chickens?
1:22:38 Andrew Manganelli? How do they get here?
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