Apple Homeview, Microsoft Surface Ultra, and Fitbit Edge. It's TECHtober.

Gadgets, gadgets and more gadgets. TECHtober is heating up and we have Marques, Andrew and David talking about the Apple Homeview and other smart home products, the Microsoft Surface Ultra, and the Fitbit Edge. Links: MKBHD: Homeview Impressions Microsoft: Introducing Surface Ultra 9to5Google: Fitbit Edge This episode brought to you by: Charles Schwab: https://www.schwab.com/oninvesting Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/waveform Framer: https://www.framer.com/wave Jira: https://www.jira.com Pipedrive: https://www.pipedrive.com/waveform Follow us on socials: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:38Speaker 01

  There's this moment, which had such an opportunity to be positive, where it was like, wait, my wife just said, "See you tonight." "Hey Siri, what is the thing that we're doing tonight?" And it's like, you have a date with your wife of like, ice skating lessons? And instead of being like, "Oh, nice. Thanks, Siri," he's like, "Oh, weird. We gotta talk." And I'm like, "We gotta talk?" I'm like, "What?"

• 2:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

• 2:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 2:09David Imel?

  And I'm David.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  We got Mariah and Ellis at the producer desk this week, and it's Techtober, which means, wow, we've got a lot to talk about.

• 2:18Speaker 04

  Wait, I made a sound for this.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  For Techtober. That feels how I've felt for the past couple of days. So I think that's a good sound. Anyway, this week, because we have to make sure we don't fast-forward too far ahead, what do we have? We have Apple HomeView. They had their home event this week, and all the things that came with it, including their new first-gen HomeView product. We got to see Microsoft Surface Ultra Laptop with RTX Spark, a new Fitbit with a screen. It's a lot. But first, did they even test this?

• 2:53Speaker 04

  I'm back. I'm ready to get yelled at, because I don't know how to do stuff.

• 2:56Andrew Manganelli?

  People loved your last one. I'd agree with you.

• 2:58Speaker 04

  This one, this one, man. So, okay, so I've been lately, I've been dabbling in the dark arts. And by that, I mean, I've been using a Windows computer at home for some personal projects, you know?

• 3:10Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry.

• 3:10David Imel?

  Wait, before you continue, is that a Pixel Light Bar on your shirt?

• 3:15Speaker 01

  It's close. It's got some...

• 3:16Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it's got too many colors.

• 3:19David Imel?

  No, only the black bar.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Right, they have red on it, so I forgot.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  The light bar has red. It's the dot. It doesn't matter.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  The glow bar. I'm just making a dumb joke.

• 3:28David Imel?

  You can continue with your...

• 3:29Speaker 04

  Thank you. All right, so I'm using Windows, right?

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  And what happens when you use Windows? Windows updates. You know, it just, you will open your computer and be like, "Hold on, blah, blah." So Windows, this time, it was like, I'm updating right now. Like, you have 10 minutes to wrap up your stuff, and then, this is happening. And I was like, "Okay, I can accept this."

• 3:45Speaker 01

  That happens.

• 3:46Speaker 04

  Windows updates, the computer comes back online. I try to resume what I'm doing, and I'm not connected to the internet. And I'm like, "Oh, I guess this was a serious enough update. Like, I must have forgotten my Wi-Fi password." Any number of things, right? So I'm sort of new to Windows, so I'm like, "How do you connect to the Wi-Fi? Okay, you go to that little cluster of tools at the bottom right corner. You click it, and then I don't see Wi-Fi. Like, it's just not an option." I'm like, "Okay, I must have not really known how to use Windows properly. I'm new to this, whatever." So I open Settings, go to the Network tab, right? Nothing about Wi-Fi in there either. So then, I'm like, "Okay, okay, okay. I must not be understanding something like, this is a professional operating

• 4:30Speaker 04

  system, you know, written by one of the biggest companies in the world." So I search Wi-Fi in the Settings. No results. At this point, I'm actively questioning whether Wi-Fi actively, like, exists, or if I just imagined it my whole life up until this point. And so I do a little bit more digging. Lo and behold, the update that I had given to my computer uninstalled the network adapter. So there's like, a wireless antenna directly connected to the motherboard that needs a driver, even though it's directly connected. This is a laptop. Yeah, it uninstalled the built-in, the driver for the built-in network adapter.

• 5:12Speaker 04

  And so, when Windows diagnoses this is the problem, it goes, "Here's the link to download it from the internet." And I'm like, "Well, that doesn't help me." Luckily, eventually, I read it around the computer, there was like, an old version of the network driver, adapter driver, like, in the Device Manager. It was like, a surreal Kafkaesque experience, first being gaslit into questioning whether Wi-Fi exists, and then being told, "It's okay, dude. Just click on this webpage, and you can get back on the internet."

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. This happened on my old Surface Book 2. I remember it. Uninstalled the network driver.

• 5:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  And I had to use a USB-C to Ethernet dongle to get internet, so that I could reinstall the network driver.

• 5:56Speaker 04

  It was just...

• 5:57Speaker 01

  I... Yeah. Seems bad.

• 6:01Speaker 04

  Other than that, Windows has been, actually...

• 6:04Speaker 01

  It's not bad.

• 6:05Andrew Manganelli?

  How dare you guys?

• 6:06Speaker 04

  It's fine. Just kidding.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  I don't dislike Windows. I just dislike when it updates when you're doing important things, and then...

• 6:12Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't hate all the bloated...

• 6:14David Imel?

  All the [BLEEP] that happens on it.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  I just hate using it, but I don't hate it.

• 6:19Speaker 05

  I just hate looking at it.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  I just say, no, I don't hate looking at it. I actually think it's fairly aesthetic.

• 6:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I do think.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  I like the square.

• 6:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I like the way it looks.

• 6:26Speaker 05

  The bloatware? You like all the bloated?

• 6:28Speaker 01

  I do not love...

• 6:29David Imel?

  I do not love the bloatware.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  They asked me to sign in.

• 6:31Speaker 04

  Though, the nice part about the bloatware is that there's, everything is backwards compatible to infinity. You know what I mean?

• 6:37Speaker 01

  The bloatware is backwards compatible?

• 6:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. No, it's just like, the reason it's so bloated is because there's some random program written in 1993 that Windows, for some reason, is like, "No, we still support all the graphics drivers." Anyway, that's my, "Did they even test this?" Thanks, Microsoft, for a good story.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Well, on the complete other side of the fence, Apple had an event this week, and they added a new first-generation device to their ecosystem, and then a whole bunch of other things around it. So it's the, it's the home event. It was actually, it was not really an event. It was like, a hands-on experience in New York, I guess. I don't know if there's one in California, too. Probably not. There's a New York one.

• 7:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Just Tribeca, yeah.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  We all walked in, and everyone's like, "Welcome home." And we're like, "Oh, I see what you're doing." It's a home event. So they announced their new products, which is the new HomeView, which is an in-home display and speaker computer combo thing. We'll talk about that. They also announced a partnership with LG and Schneider Electronics for a bunch of smart home products, like a doorbell, and a thermostat, and security cameras, things like that. And they also dropped a new Apple TV 4K and a new HomePod Mini 2.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Now, I think all those other things are a little bit less interesting than the HomeView itself, but the HomeView, I have so many thoughts on. I did my impressions video. I also have a lot of thoughts on the commercial.

• 7:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  I think it was really strange and really bad, actually.

• 8:03David Imel?

  I agree.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  But I don't know where to start. Where do we...

• 8:06David Imel?

  Let's just start with what it is, because some people might not even have seen this.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  True, fair, okay. So, in the smart home, you guys might have seen, like, other people have smart home products when you visited their homes before. They need like, a little hub, like a screen, that you can control all of it from, like a Nest Hub Max, or an Echo Show, or something like that. Apple has not had one of those. So that's what HomeView is. It is a 7-inch square LCD with these big black bezels, and it sits on this sort of metal base that has extra speakers in it. It's $299, $300. And there are two versions of it. One that sits on the base, or one that mounts to the wall. The one that sits on the base has just like, a USB Type-C port in the back, which I was actually fairly happy to see that.

• 8:48David Imel?

  Really?

• 8:49Speaker 01

  You can just like, plug it in wherever you want.

• 8:50Andrew Manganelli?

  I have a thought on that also, that I did.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Fair. But then, yeah, the wall-mounted one is the same price. It doesn't come with the base, so it doesn't come with that woofer, that deep speaker that would be in the base. And it also doesn't come with any mounting hardware. You have to buy that as well separately.

• 9:04Andrew Manganelli?

  How much is that one, though? Because you don't get that stuff.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  So there's a $60 USB-C one. There is a $80 AC adapter version, and there's a $130 power over Ethernet version. So based on what sort of wiring setup you have...

• 9:17David Imel?

  $130?

• 9:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Based on the wiring setup you have, you're going to be spending some extra money just to mount it to the wall.

• 9:23David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  And it doesn't have as many speakers, and it doesn't have as many colors, by the way. That one only comes in silver or gray.

• 9:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. So you say they're the same price, too? Sorry.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  They're on the same price.

• 9:32Andrew Manganelli?

  The same price.

• 9:33David Imel?

  The same price is insane, because you get a big speaker when you have the one that sits on your tabletop.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, the woofer. So they did make a big point about how the one on the wall has those full-range drivers tuned specifically for on-wall use. I don't know if they are physically different, if they like, point backwards or something, but they did talk about that every single time I brought it up. But I'm pretty sure it's going to sound worse, because it doesn't have a driver, that big woofer driver.

• 9:59David Imel?

  I also generally don't want music just coming out of my walls.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Uh, I mean,

• 10:03David Imel?

  That sounds like some Poltergeist.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  There's a whole, there's a whole group, and we can talk about more about the, the market for this in a second, but there's a lot, not a lot, there's some amount of people that have an iPad on their wall to do this sort of stuff.

• 10:14David Imel?

  Yeah, right.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  And there's an Apple Home app, and so they just glue the iPad to the wall, or like, however they want to attach it to the wall, get some power to it so it doesn't die, or maybe just take it off and charge it once in a while. And that's been their home hub until this point.

• 10:29David Imel?

  This is generally like bespoke, like designer homes that they will like show off in LA or something and sell to multimillionaires.

• 10:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Like 10 years ago.

• 10:37David Imel?

  Like 10 years.

• 10:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like it's not really, I remember we got a breather for Pixel 2 that had like an iPad on the wall. And even then it was like, this doesn't feel high tech, this somehow feels 15 years old already.

• 10:47David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 10:49Andrew Manganelli?

  And like, I think there, but there are people who want to do it. And giving a version of that makes sense. But to charge the same amount with like 50% less material, and then also be like, here's the mounts you guys need. And it costs more, like, that should have, that should be the difference, just include the amount.

• 11:05David Imel?

  It should be at least a hundred dollars cheaper.

• 11:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, or the $60 amount should come with it.

• 11:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 11:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, for free. And then like, even that I don't think is an equal.

• 11:14David Imel?

  Yeah, because you get a large speaker in the bottom, and we had, we both had briefings. The speaker I think sounded pretty good when it was on the tabletop. It was, it had a lot of good sound, I don't know, it sounded great, in my opinion. A lot better than the Nest Hub Mini. Google doesn't even sell the Nest Hub Max anymore, so it's kind of hard to compare.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  You used to be able to get them for like $2.29 from the Google Store.

• 11:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I, I've been thinking about the pricing a lot. I typically don't say that like, a decision a company this big makes is totally pointless and stupid. Like, there has to be some reason for it, and I've been trying to think of it, and I think it's probably some version of like price steering, where if they're the same price, people will get the one that lives on the table, because that's the one most people should get. Where if the one on the wall was a hundred bucks cheaper, then a bunch of people who probably shouldn't be getting the one on the wall are gonna see that it's a hundred bucks cheaper and are gonna try to get the one on the wall.

• 12:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, or rig it in like a weird way. Cause it is just USB-C in the back, right? Because the mount is essentially a mount that plugs into with a little USB-C port. And the difference in prices between the first two at least were, essentially if you expect for the USB-C wire to run down your wall, or if you want AC power, which I'm assuming is coated or whatever correctly to be safe inside of a wall, and it tells you to get it professionally installed.

• 12:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:32Andrew Manganelli?

  So, I think you probably could just plug a USB-C in the back of it.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:37Andrew Manganelli?

  And get it to do something, because you can order it with no mount.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe you just put some super glue on it.

• 12:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Just to the wall?

• 12:43Speaker 01

  Just super glue it straight to the wall. Put the USB type C cord in there, I don't know, I haven't seen the back of the.

• 12:48David Imel?

  I live in an apartment and the walls are made of concrete. So I'm not drilling into that concrete.

• 12:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 12:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Cord through the wall.

• 12:55Speaker 05

  This is, we need the third-party manufacturers to rise up and make something so it can mount it to the wall.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, hopefully some cheaper options. But anyway, yeah, so the idea is the product lives in your home and it can do all of the smart home stuff. It can control your lights and all the smart home stuff you have attached, you can view your security cameras, you can set timers, you can ask Siri things, you can play music, you can even open Safari links and view recipes and things like that. So it does the stuff it's supposed to do. And then it's interesting feature, I think it's the headlining feature, is the multi-user switching, like fast multi-user switching. And we'll get to the video in a second, but basically the idea is you walk up to it and it uses facial recognition to know that it's you, and then it can give you some extra personal context, like your messages, your calendar, or you ask Siri,

• 13:44Speaker 01

  "What was that recipe that Joe texted me?", and it can actually tell you because it knows it's you.

• 13:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  And then when you walk away, it goes back to just being not personal. And it can do this for up to six different people. So one person walks up, asks for something, walks away, a different person walks up, asks for something, it gives them their answers, they walk away. As long as you have an iPhone or an iPad with an Apple account, it will be able to be set up to have you included as one of the users in the home. Cool. I don't know what took them so long, I was actually hoping they would do this for the iPad like 10 years ago, like having multi-user support.

• 14:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  But, but they still don't, but you know, we have it on Macs now, we have it on this thing, it's fast, it works with just that selfie camera. It's a 12-megapixel center stage camera, it's not full face ID. But the idea is you probably don't need full face ID.

• 14:32David Imel?

  In your house.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  At least this is their logic, this is a device where if it's in your house, you're expecting that pretty much anyone who comes up to it is expected to come up to it, it's not like you're in public. And so that selfie camera with facial recognition, combined with the fact that it's looking to see if your iOS device was recently on and unlocked in the area, then it's probably you. Do we just talk about the video?

• 14:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, I was gonna say, I don't know if I,

• 14:54David Imel?

  That's a lot of tough.

• 14:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know if I buy the, yeah, let's do, let's finish design and everything.

• 14:58David Imel?

  Yeah, I want to talk about a little more of this.

• 15:00Andrew Manganelli?

  First, I don't buy the, the, if you unlock something nearby, because I feel like the point of this is to be that I don't need to go to my phone for some things.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Uh, the area is more of like the building, the house.

• 15:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, cool. The design itself, I'll give credit, for one thing is that we didn't see a totally accurate leak of this going up to it. We saw a million things close, but not exactly. I think it looks cheaper than I was expecting.

• 15:28David Imel?

  I agree with you.

• 15:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I think, I was expecting, I kept hearing HomePod Mini cut in half, which is one way smaller than this, and I expected the fabric around it. I think as I'm, I'm used to Nest Hub, I'm used to HomePod, I think the fabric makes it a little bit nicer.

• 15:45David Imel?

  I agree with you.

• 15:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Maybe they were, maybe in a kitchen with like food, they don't want it to get all grimy.

• 15:51David Imel?

  Yeah, that's probably.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  It's a good point, I, I kind of wonder about that, like, all the others in this category that I'm picturing do kind of feel a little bit more homey.

• 16:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  White bezels, fabric on the speaker, like softer plastic type materials. This is like sharp-cornered metal.

• 16:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  And like an aluminum base with like a sort of aluminum can feeling look. I don't know if that feels cheaper to me as much as it feels like less home-friendly. It's just an unusual design. It is a little bit cuter with like the square aspect ratio on the smaller screen.

• 16:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I love that part, I actually think I like that part.

• 16:24David Imel?

  I don't.

• 16:25Andrew Manganelli?

  You don't like the square?

• 16:26David Imel?

  No, I don't.

• 16:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Tim also hates the square.

• 16:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I like the squircle a lot, actually. I think how it's set up is nice, something about the base just feels, maybe it feels cheap, maybe it just feels cheap because like you said, it doesn't feel homey. But that just feels so, that feels like it should be in an Apple event video in the background, not in my kitchen.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  I feel like white bezels would have made it feel like it blends into your home more.

• 16:47Andrew Manganelli?

  I agree.

• 16:47David Imel?

  I mean, bezels are, they just look huge.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  I agree, so this is, it's a nice little screen, it's an LCD with True Tone, I think that did a good job of adapting, but I, I've had so much beef with this. You remember the iMac?

• 16:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 16:59Speaker 01

  You remember the iMac with the white bezels? And they didn't offer any black bezels for it, and their, their reasoning for that was, in all the commercials, it was like, in the kitchen? In the living room? And they were like, you're, your walls are white, like, you probably want white bezels so it blends in more nicely. And I was like, eh, I guess, I'm not putting an iMac in there, but you chose this, so all right, you better keep that same energy. Now here's the home thing. And it's big black bezels, and I'm like, what happened to that energy?

• 17:25David Imel?

  Probably to hide the camera, I guess, but.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  I guess, but now you're not hiding any of the bezels.

• 17:31David Imel?

  It's massive, it's massive bezel, I think that also contributes to it looking a little bit cheap.

• 17:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I could see that.

• 17:37David Imel?

  That with the giant like metal base, which is really weird.

• 17:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Big black bezels in a kitchen with like smudging is going to look terrible for a while.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, so another thing I found very interesting is like, there's only a set of apps on it, and that's it. There's no like App Store or anything, it has a bunch of Apple apps that are all optimized. You can only use Safari, you can't use your browser of choice, that's kind of weird, right? And then they have all of these features that only work if you use a very select set of Apple apps, which is felt like something that Apple would have done a number of years ago, but it feels like, like the first HomePod that only worked with Apple Music.

• 18:14David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  They have this feature that they flash around a lot where if you bring, if you have a recipe open on your phone, you can just tap your phone to it, and then it shows the recipe on the display in a much richer format that looks a lot nicer and whatever. I guess it uses like a, most recipe websites use JSON to.

• 18:33David Imel?

  Apparently there's a format standardized, yeah.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, and apparently it can index that and then use it to show it on the display, whatever. But you have to be using Safari on your phone when you tap it, and it's like, come on.

• 18:46Andrew Manganelli?

  This feels so Apple.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  No, but it feels like Apple like a number of years ago.

• 18:49Andrew Manganelli?

  That's, sorry, that's what I mean, like, the Apple we know. It's funny because when I saw people, first of all, the Reddit thread for our video, I don't think I've ever seen our Apple more like, "I don't get this product at all", and a big thing is the apps. At first, I wasn't that worried about it because I feel like Nest Hub doesn't really have, like I never downloaded apps on Nest Hub. It just is like the kind of things I wanted to play music, I wanted to do my home controls, whatever.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:14Andrew Manganelli?

  At least my Nest Hub Mini, I don't forget the tablet.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  I have the Nest Hub Max. I've been using it for years. It's not that good of a product.

• 19:20Andrew Manganelli?

  It sucks.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  But it does have a YouTube app and I can play stuff on Spotify.

• 19:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I guess that's the thing. I never downloaded those, but it had Spotify and YouTube on it already. Like, can this have play YouTube videos? It's only in browser?

• 19:31Speaker 01

  So YouTube videos are only in browser.

• 19:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  It's Safari. The other thing that they kept bringing up was the CarPlay framework.

• 19:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  So the same way that your car screen can show content from apps that support CarPlay, you will be able to show content on those same apps, CarPlay-supported apps, on the Home View. So when I was asking about Spotify specifically, basically the idea is there is no Spotify app on the Home View, but you can AirPlay like Spotify to the Home View and it'll show up the same way it would on CarPlay.

• 20:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  So SoundCloud will work, Spotify will work, your Pocket Casts will work, non-Apple apps will work if they support CarPlay.

• 20:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  It's not like a new home framework, it's CarPlay.

• 20:16David Imel?

  And by the way, I asked them, what OS is this running? Is there a name for this? And they said, they said it's Home View Software.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, they've never named it.

• 20:25David Imel?

  And I said, is it Home View OS? They said, it's Home View Software.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  I found that so odd because I checked many places for the OS name. The Fine Print, the Newsroom, the website itself, I cannot find anything.

• 20:37David Imel?

  It's gotta be running one of their OSs.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  It's combining a couple of things from several of their OSs. And I almost want to feel like, okay, it's just iOS, but like with some launcher or something.

• 20:48Andrew Manganelli?

  WatchOS?

• 20:49Speaker 01

  But like, there is WatchOS. When you change the clocks.

• 20:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  And the watch faces. I keep saying watch faces, but it's just, it's just WatchOS watch faces, right? And then when you go through and you have that like home screen with your apps and the widgets, that's, it's just iOS right there. That's your iPhone screen right there.

• 21:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  So it's, it's like kind of a few things stapled together and CarPlay gets stapled in there too.

• 21:09David Imel?

  And that's something I wanted to bring up was that this product feels strange because it feels a little bit like a computer and a little bit like a home display. Because in some ways, they're like, oh, you've got Safari. You can like bring up these, like in the ad that we'll talk about. All of the people in the ad, like they're kind of using it like a computer. They're like touching it and they're doing this, they're spinning it around.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Touching it way too much.

• 21:31David Imel?

  They're touching it a lot. Spinning it a lot. And so it's almost like, it's like a kitchen computer, but at the same time, it's so limited because it's like only got the Apple apps that are approved to be on there. And there's no App Store or anything like that. So it's like half computer, half sort of ambient computing device, half Siri AI device.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  I tried to think about it as like, what does this end up being in like a month when the novelty factor wears off? Because I've had a lot of this home stuff for a while.

• 21:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  And I'm like, what do I at this point now do with my reasonably advanced smart home hub? I do basically three or four things. I listen to music once in a while. I'll ask for a timer once in a while. Every morning I ask it for like my routine slash news. So it tells me the weather, the traffic for my commute and the news. Sounds like something Siri would do. And I think I ask like for sports scores and random other general knowledge stuff and that's about it, right? So let's say this is gonna have to do the same stuff. This is just Siri performing those tasks instead of Google. It can still give me the sports scores, it can still tell me, you know, what I'm asking from online information. It can still set timers. And then all the other stuff is just kind of like extra, like I don't, I have my phone with me.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  That's the only reason it unlocks. Like I don't need to ask it about my messages or my calendar very often or like take a FaceTime call on it. I don't think I'm going to be doing that stuff as much.

• 22:53Andrew Manganelli?

  I could see in a kitchen, a FaceTime call maybe, like if you're cooking, I could. The one thing I do like is like, if you're in the kitchen or something and like your smart doorbell rings to see who's at the door. Because it could just be like, oh, that's just a FedEx person who has to ring the doorbell and walk away. I don't need to like.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's another good one.

• 23:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Clean up. So like that.

• 23:12David Imel?

  Which a lot of this is stuff that like Google has been doing for a long time.

• 23:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Exactly. And I mean, this so much feels like, uh, we realized where it's 100% catching up. Because then they had to partner with LG to just be like, do you see Nest and Ring's list? Make all of those and make them $100 more expensive. But like, I think it's at the end of the day, and one of the reasons the commercial hits so poorly is they're trying to do too much in a little amount of time when this is a thing you interact with five to six times a day. And that adds up throughout the years.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:43Andrew Manganelli?

  And it very much is mostly when you're cooking or like maybe in some part of your home.

• 23:48David Imel?

  I also felt that the LED, the LED display felt a little bit cheap, or sorry, LCD display felt a little bit cheap. It was very blue kind of casting and I don't know.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Maybe that was off on that.

• 24:02David Imel?

  It does have true tone. Um, yeah, I like how dark it gets. It gets to 0.3 nits. One of my favorite features of my Nest Hub Mini is that at nighttime, I can almost not even see the clock because it's so dim, which is really good at like late at night. It gets up to 500 nits, which is not like crazy bright, but you're not going to be in direct sunlight, so it doesn't really matter. Not available in the EU because Siri AI is still not available in the EU.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 24:28David Imel?

  Which is crazy, uh, but they are working on trying to get that approved, obviously.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 24:36Andrew Manganelli?

  My, yeah. I was gonna say, my gripe with the plug in the back is I think so many other companies have already done this so much better is the bottom should be slightly hollowed out with a USB-C port there and a little gap for the plug to come out flush on the bottom.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Because then you can put it against the wall, then you can, the way they have it set up in the commercial, which I have.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  That's actually a great point.

• 25:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Is like drilled into a hole and then you have this like extra three inches that you need for the cable to make a turn.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Looks like it's gonna frigging kit.

• 25:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Or just like pull right out. So like when it's stuck in the bottom, it is then secured in there and it's not showing as much.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  It's a good point.

• 25:16Andrew Manganelli?

  So like that again, made it feel kind of cheap.

• 25:18David Imel?

  That as well, yeah, yeah. Especially for $300 product. Okay, we gotta talk about the commercial.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  I'm so sorry. Before we move on, can I, I've been reading about the speaker layout in here and I think I have some ideas as to why the price might not be raised.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 25:32Speaker 04

  Because it's a really interesting configuration of speakers, actually. It's one downward facing driver. So that's a driver that fires sound directly at the table. And then it's two of these things called passive radiators, which are effectively membranes on springs that are not attached to any drivers. And the whole idea is like, as this downward facing cone is moving in and out, you have like changing air pressure inside the bass. And then that air pressure actually is what moves those passive radiators. And that is a way of getting around needing to drill sort of like a throat in the speaker, which helps tune it. There's a bunch of speaker design, you watch my video actually about cabinet sides on the Studio Channel if you want to learn more.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  Anyway, it seems like the way they designed this is almost like the bass is this weird like hybrid, non-traditional subwoofer. Because you're not going to get, my, I haven't heard it, I haven't seen it, but my guess is it's tuned somewhere around 100 and 150 Hz is a crossover. So like only real bass is going to come out of the bass, no pun intended. So realistically, also it's Apple, so all these things are going to be computationally tuned all the time. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is it seems like there's not very many audio components inside this bass. It seems like it's mostly passive components, a really well-tuned chamber, one driver facing down,

• 26:58Speaker 04

  possibly a waveguide, and then just being computationally controlled by the head where they're relying on the classic Apple force canceling drivers, uh, which is what they've been putting in everything lately to produce the full, the full range.

• 27:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I just feel like in terms of materials, the bass and the hinge and everything on it should be more expensive than the one that doesn't have the material.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  These are the guys that, you know, sold $600 wheels.

• 27:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, and a $1,000 stand for your.

• 27:25David Imel?

  I just thought we were past that era of Apple, you know?

• 27:28Speaker 04

  That'd be, well, just.

• 27:28David Imel?

  They've made a lot of things that are good value in the last couple of years.

• 27:31Speaker 04

  That's true, that's true. But I was surprised when you look at this. When you look at this bass, it makes you think of like some of the older HomePod stuff where when you took it off, they'd have like a million bajillion speakers firing in all directions. But I think if you were to open this up, it would be, yeah, right. It would be like mostly empty space. I don't know yet. Well, I'll wait for the iFixit teardown, but I think it's mostly a cabinet. Anyway, I'm sorry to interrupt. I just feel like.

• 27:53David Imel?

  No, yeah.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  Finally got to the conclusion of reading.

• 27:56David Imel?

  It does sound really good, in my opinion, to be fair.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:59David Imel?

  There is that. If you like want a smart home display that is also a good speaker, like it's, you know.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  And when I'm thinking about the other, like the competition of like the Nest Hub and the Echo Show and stuff like that, none of them have particularly good speakers. They're all supposed to be pretty inexpensive, like just to, just get a display that can just do the basic stuff in the home.

• 28:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  And they've certainly, it's Apple, they've certainly like leaned towards the premium look and feel with the metal and all that. But I think at the end of the day, they do have to make it pretty inexpensively. So I'm not shocked that it's not like 15 different drivers in here or something.

• 28:31David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, let's talk about the commercial.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  Okay, the commercial, I just want to say you can go watch it on YouTube. It's three minutes long. It's like the way they introduce this product to the world. And I think it breaks several really longstanding rules that you would think Apple would have about commercials.

• 28:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  One of them is, yeah, like a commercial, especially for a first gen product, is supposed to basically instruct you, especially as a reviewer, of how they see this being used in the world.

• 29:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 29:02David Imel?

  And the family that like goes through their morning with this product and like has a bunch of different users and stuff. I think the idea was to showcase the multi-user support really cleverly. But a lot of the other stuff was like, not how I think most people will use this. So I kind of disagreed with that. It also didn't, it didn't paint a picture of like, I want to be like this family. Like it was not, it was not a like a positive.

• 29:28David Imel?

  You know, usually you're like, oh, wow. This person has the iPhone Duo and that it looks like they're like getting so much done. Wow. That's so cool. I want, I want the product so I can be like that. This commercial didn't have any of the, oh, I want the product so I can be like that. It didn't have that.

• 29:40Andrew Manganelli?

  And I just want to clarify for you. So in case people take that wrong, it's not that we don't understand that families can be chaotic. It's we understand that families can be chaotic and you can just speak to each other in that scenario and not all basically have an intermediate little screen on the table.

• 29:56David Imel?

  Let me, let me summarize the video. So, okay. So it's like a four, five person family home, right? They have this kitchen island that they have the home view on and they're

• 30:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Drilled in the middle. Crazy. Just drilled in the middle of the cabinet.

• 30:11David Imel?

  Plug it in. You gotta plug it in. They drill it in. Anyway, uh, they do, it is successful in showing that it can be used for everything that you might need to use it for. Because they basically go through all these scenarios where the son walks in and he's like, I want some fresh toast. And the dad's like, fine. How do I make fresh toast? And then he beams it to the thing. It's like, okay, the simplest thing that you could possibly do.

• 30:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Literally. Yeah.

• 30:34David Imel?

  It's like two ingredients, but okay. Anyway, um, it's, it's French and it's toast. And then notably, notably not French, which is another part of the ad.

• 30:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I would argue that might be the only thing that I would like, in that scenario. I was like, yeah, that is what I, I just ask it random questions.

• 30:49David Imel?

  Yeah. So they, they go through a lot of different scenarios where they're, they're beaming recipes over, they're asking Siri AI if French toast is actually French. The daughter walks up to it and it beams to her face. So it switches to her messages so she can talk to her boyfriend. And then when the son tries to walk over to it, he can't read her messages. It does a good job of showing off all the features, but it is so fast paced and it is so like chaotic and anxiety inducing.

• 31:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Gems.

• 31:16David Imel?

  It just feels like, okay, your turn. What do you need now? Talk to the home pod, not the home view. Okay, your turn. What do you need now? Talk to the home view. Like they don't really engage with each other. They're just like, for every problem, I will go to the home view.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  There's also something super unrealistic about this ad, which is that everyone in order to set up their account on this and for it to recognize their face must have an iPhone or an iPad with their account on it and nearby and recently unlocked.

• 31:43David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  And so in this ad, at no point does anyone at any point have an iPhone in their hands or near them. And that's fine, I guess, but like, these are, you know, 15 year old kids or whatever, like they're, they're texting on the, the family home display for some reason.

• 32:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Like I don't understand. Texting her like secret boyfriend on the thing in front of everybody. Cause they all keep picking it up and like spinning it around, which is crazy.

• 32:10David Imel?

  Yeah. I don't, I don't. Okay. I think the main faux pas here is that the entire ad just feels really anxious. Like it moves really fast. It spins around. It does. It's like really fast paced. There's like tense music. And at the end, the husband and wife are like, the kids leave and the husband like, huh, good morning. And then they just leave. They don't embrace.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  There's no like, there's no like, that was my last.

• 32:33David Imel?

  Welcome home.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:34Andrew Manganelli?

  It seemed like they were gonna divorce, to be honest. That's what, that's the vibe I was getting.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  All of the, they did actually, I think their thing was like, we have a checklist of all the features we need to demo. And they, they managed to get every single one in the video. And also every single one of them, the resolution was like kind of negative. Like there was one where the, the like grandparents called on Facebook and they were like, we don't like your beard. Like we feel like, what's going on? We shouldn't be calling you right now. I'll call you back later in the car. And then they just like hang up. They're like, that was weird. I didn't want to, I don't want to call you right now. And then there was like the, like find my keys moment where it was like, oh, it's in your pocket the whole time. Like you idiot. Like why, why would you use that product to do that?

• 33:15Speaker 01

  And then there was the, the texting thing, which was like the, the kid was like, oh, I want to like spy on my sister's texts. So I like look over and that was like kind of a weird feeling.

• 33:24Andrew Manganelli?

  We're gonna watch them.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  And then we're gonna watch them on the doorbell.

• 33:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Shoo, shoo.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  And at the end, there's this moment which had such an opportunity to be positive where it was like, wait, my wife just said, see you tonight. Hey Siri, what is the thing that we're doing tonight? And it's like, you have a date with your wife of like ice skating lessons. And instead of being like, oh, nice. Thanks Siri. He's like, oh, weird. We gotta talk. And like, we gotta talk. I'm like, what? That was so negative. I just didn't, I felt like it was a very stressful watch.

• 33:53David Imel?

  So this exists because Apple, when they make a new product, they, they need that product to integrate with everything else they have ever made. And it just so happens that if they put a thing in your home, it has to integrate with your iPhone, it has to integrate with your Apple TV. It has to integrate with your new security cameras. It has to integrate with like so many things at once.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Oh, even there was a moment where they had to demo that it plays music. So briefly, the little annoying kid was like, play this song. And it plays the song loud for like three seconds. The mom's like, cut that off. Like no, we don't need it. You're late for class right now.

• 34:26David Imel?

  Everyone is annoyed and stressed at everything that is happening out of the, out of the home view. Like the grandparents calling, they're like, oh God, I hate that there's a display that my grandparents can call me in, in the kitchen. Oh God, I hate that my son can randomly play annoying music in the morning. Oh God, I have to make French toast. Like everything they're annoyed about.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  It was weird.

• 34:46David Imel?

  It was so weird.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  So strange.

• 34:48Andrew Manganelli?

  In my eyes, it was like, we have to make a commercial that shows everything this can do. And if we did it and how people would normally use it, which is two to three times a day with hours in between, it would be really boring. Yeah. So they're like, how do we get all, what's the scenario? We can do all of it in.

• 35:04David Imel?

  I feel like I could come up with like.

• 35:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, exactly what you said, do the same thing with a family trying a bunch of stuff in the morning, but make them not hate each other.

• 35:12David Imel?

  Yeah. It was like high anxiety. They were all annoyed. It was like, oh, modern family.

• 35:17Andrew Manganelli?

  I think they're like poking fun at like the sister, like being smarter than the brother. And like, it's not actually French. You can do that when not every other thing is like negative. And also they drilled a hole in their cabinet, in their cabinet, which is crazy.

• 35:31David Imel?

  Among us, you know?

• 35:32Speaker 01

  They did drill a hole in the center of their, their kitchen island.

• 35:34David Imel?

  Yeah. Okay. So this home view integrates with a bunch of new smart home stuff. Notably, Apple never really got heavy into the smartphone home game, right? Like they made Apple Home. They made all these things. They, they have HomeKit, which has always been their smart home software. But they never really made a lot of first party stuff. And then they got excited about Matter because Matter allowed, you know, all these other third parties.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  What's the matter with Matter?

• 36:02David Imel?

  Smart home protocol, uh, that allows all of these third parties to sort of integrate together, work well together. Cool. But they did eventually realize like, oh, we're getting our lunch eaten by Google and Amazon. And if we just made our own quote unquote first party stuff, which they still didn't do, uh, we could really win this space. We could really lean into this smart home space. So they announced a new thing called the Apple Home Collection, which is a partnership between Apple and LG and Schneider Electric. There's a bunch of stuff. There's a bunch of cameras. There are temperature sensors. There's thermostats.

• 36:41David Imel?

  And when you use these things, the main kind of headline feature is that you can tap your iPhone to it to set it up really quickly. Whether or not that solves the problem of the smart home in which doing a smart home is a ton of logic and is just very complicated and confusing. I'm not sure.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  I have found this sometimes very hard to set up.

• 36:59David Imel?

  They announced a ton of different devices. They're all really expensive, like very expensive. Some of them do have some unique features that I haven't really seen on other smartphone, smart home devices before. So we can just go through them. There's an LG indoor camera, which is plug in. So it plugs into the, uh, to the wall, $200. But it can tilt up and down remotely.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  Articulates.

• 37:22David Imel?

  It articulates, uh, which is kind of cool.

• 37:24Andrew Manganelli?

  It's kind of a weird setup. It like, kind of looks like the Pixar lamp in the sense that it's like, yeah, the hinges are all very obvious. There are like, there have been smart home things that, uh, like spin and then have their own tilt. But yeah, this is like.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  And then there's the Amazon that just sold the drone that flies.

• 37:44David Imel?

  So the one cool thing about this camera is that when you're not using it, it tilts down, which I, which I found cool.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  When you get home, it goes, oh, all right. You don't need to like monitor the inside anymore.

• 37:54David Imel?

  It makes it so nobody feels like something could just be watching them without their knowledge. I think that's kind of cool.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  Especially from LG.

• 37:59David Imel?

  Uh, there's an outdoor camera that's $300 that's plug-in. There's a $400 floodlight camera.

• 38:06Andrew Manganelli?

  The colors on both of these, I have a big problem with because.

• 38:09David Imel?

  What's up with the aluminum again?

• 38:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm not, it's not even the aluminum. It's that, so it's black or aluminum, but the base on all of the, or silver, sorry.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. The base is black on both.

• 38:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Black base, like unless you have like the modern farmhouse or like the like LA carved into the hill, full matte black home, this does not match with your siding. Like most people have siding that is a light color and they just have this giant black brick on it now.

• 38:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Feels really weird. It feels like this super high-tech thing on your house. That's probably.

• 38:41David Imel?

  This feels like a 2011 aesthetic.

• 38:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. This is, this is like the movies that were predicting the future. Like you have the futuristic home.

• 38:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, maybe, maybe what we're learning is Apple is good at designing really modern feeling devices, but the home design is a different type of design that they're not good at.

• 39:00David Imel?

  Yeah, I could see that.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Like the, like the home stuff.

• 39:04David Imel?

  Think is.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Cause this kind of, this dips into the headphone world too. I'm going so into the weeds, but like all these headphones, every pair of noise cancelling headphones we've ever seen is like lightweight, plastic. You're going to wear it for six straight hours. It's like super, super cheap feeling.

• 39:16David Imel?

  Except for the.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  And then Apple comes along and they're like metal. Yeah. We're doing all metal. And it's like, okay, I guess it's not terrible, but it is really heavy. Vision Pro comes along, like every other, yeah, metal, like heavy, like every other VR headset is like plastic and lightweight. And the home is kind of different too. It's like fabric, light, like plastic. And then they come along and they're like, how about metal? How about sharp corners and like drilled speaker holes and like all this stuff?

• 39:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  And maybe they're just not good at this yet.

• 39:42David Imel?

  They got it half right with the HomePod Mini and the HomePod and.

• 39:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Those look so nice. I think that's why I'm so surprised.

• 39:48David Imel?

  That's true.

• 39:49Andrew Manganelli?

  That home view looks so different. And actually it looks more like all these LG products.

• 39:53David Imel?

  Right. I was going to say like the base of the home view looks similar to the LG cameras and floodlights.

• 39:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Too brutal. I don't.

• 39:59David Imel?

  Uh, yeah. $400 for a single floodlight is also insane. Um, but I guess if you can afford a home, maybe you can afford this. I live in a cellar. So there's an LG video doorbell that is wired. Um, that's $250.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  It has two cameras notably.

• 40:13David Imel?

  That I found very cool.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  That's clever.

• 40:15David Imel?

  Um, there's a main camera that's 2.5K resolution that points like directly at you. And then there's one that points down. So if you get a package, you can switch to the, the package view, I guess.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  I'm curious how well this works because a lot of other doorbell cameras have a single camera and they're just making it an ultra wide. So you can see the person and you can see the package. And then if you get a, like a one of those notifications where if someone delivers a package, you just see the video of the person putting the package down.

• 40:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  How does it work for this one? It seems like you can manually switch between looking at the out camera and the down camera.

• 40:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  But, uh, yeah, I don't know. Is this better that it's two cameras?

• 40:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Is the down camera underneath it?

• 40:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 40:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Straight down. Cause it is kind of strange that is like.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  It's ultra wide.

• 40:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Cylindrical and like now a cylinder is going on your flat wall outside and looks kind of strange. This again is like kind of weird. At least this one is silver, although there is a black one.

• 41:04David Imel?

  There's a black one.

• 41:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Or it's like silver with black on top. Not that bad, but like this wouldn't really fit on a lot of houses either.

• 41:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause this brushed metal and like house siding.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  It's like an apartment.

• 41:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Or brick, like this on brick would look so strange.

• 41:17David Imel?

  Really out of place.

• 41:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 41:18David Imel?

  Yeah. In my, um, my hands-on event, uh, they showed it on the home view. So you could see both the main camera and the one facing down. One facing down is FHD and you could really tell. Clearly it doesn't really matter. It's just a package.

• 41:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 41:32David Imel?

  You know, but you know, whatever. Okay. Uh, there is an LG smart deadbolt lock, which is $350.

• 41:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Damn. That's crazy.

• 41:42David Imel?

  Uh, it uses UWD techno, uh, technology. So if you walk up to it and you have your iPhone in your pocket, it should automatically unlock.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  That's actually awesome.

• 41:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 41:51David Imel?

  They have that in a lot of products though. It's not really.

• 41:53Andrew Manganelli?

  So when I steal your iPhone, I also can steal your, everything in your house.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  It's like the phone you expect to be like super secure. So like, I guess maybe.

• 42:00David Imel?

  But they have everything. They have like all the options, like they have a touchpad on it as well with a number keypad. And then they also have a hidden key, like lock area.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  True.

• 42:09David Imel?

  So that's great. And I, I think like, that's not way more expensive than competing options. So I think that's not too bad.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  My deadbolt was not.

• 42:17Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm pretty sure my U-FI deadbolt is like.

• 42:19David Imel?

  Definitely not $350.

• 42:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Near that.

• 42:21David Imel?

  No, of course.

• 42:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's like under a hundred bucks or like a hundred bucks.

• 42:24David Imel?

  So you can give guest users access to this, which is also pretty nice. Um, and it works with the doorbell. So if someone rings your doorbell, you can then just quickly, but like accept, and then it unlocks, which is kind of nice. Uh, they have a $40 LG temperature sensor, a $200 LG smart thermostat that looks very similar to the, um, Nest.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Everything is just like 20% more expensive than you expect.

• 42:49David Imel?

  Yeah. The Nest looks a little bit better though, in my opinion, because it's domed, but this is not domed. This is like flat.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:55David Imel?

  Which is kind of weird.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  That's the Schneider electric one.

• 42:57David Imel?

  There's the Schneider electric one, which is really ugly, uh, which is $200. But I guess if you're already in the Schneider ecosystem, both smart home thermostats though, will adapt to the temperature based on if someone is at home. So that's kind of nice. Like if you're not home, it probably won't, you know, do that.

• 43:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. This is all. I'm sure a lot of this. Everything is, except for maybe the like, if you ring the doorbell, I'm assuming Apple will do a good job of in the thing, ring the doorbell, probably have a button to unlock. That's the only thing you've said so far. That's not part of every single smart home.

• 43:27David Imel?

  I need to remind the, the audience that I live in a cellar for the third time today. I have not used any of these types of products.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  I, this is all fairly standard functionality wise. It's just a little more expensive and a little more metallic.

• 43:42David Imel?

  Yeah. I think, you know, what's kind of hard about it though, is that it's all like grouped into Apple home and Apple home is still very outdated. Like they just updated the health app and it's so modern. It's so nice and it's beautiful.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  That was the most overdue. Now the, the home app is overdue.

• 43:57David Imel?

  Really need to do that with the home app.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 43:59David Imel?

  Like really, really.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:01David Imel?

  As Shrek would say. So HomePod Mini 2, also a new product. There's, uh, barely. Five new colors. Well, five colors, white, blue, green, pink and black. I think they call it midnight, but it's black. Well, I don't know. It's black. It's like dark, dark, dark blue. Anyway.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  I hate that.

• 44:17David Imel?

  When you pair it to an Apple TV 4K, uh, you can set four of them up for surround sound or you can like pair them with regular HomePods.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Don't do that.

• 44:25David Imel?

  Uh, which I forgot they still sell.

• 44:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Can you set up four home views for surround sound?

• 44:30Speaker 01

  Unfortunately, probably.

• 44:32David Imel?

  Um, Siri AI is coming in a future software update.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  Wait, isn't that the whole new thing with this HomePod?

• 44:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 44:40David Imel?

  Yeah, man.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  So wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay. Wait, I want to get this straight. So the old HomePod Mini.

• 44:45David Imel?

  Yep.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  Is not getting the new Siri AI.

• 44:47David Imel?

  No.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  The new HomePod Mini.

• 44:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  The only thing new about it is this slightly new top screen and that it will be getting Siri AI.

• 44:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  But it doesn't actually have it yet.

• 44:56David Imel?

  I don't really know why they couldn't do this on the previous one. The previous HomePod Mini had that glowing kind of top screen that would like glow when you would touch it.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:04David Imel?

  Now it does that too.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  But it's slightly different.

• 45:08David Imel?

  Slightly different.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  Couple more colors so it can match your album art.

• 45:11David Imel?

  It matches the album art.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 45:13David Imel?

  Uh, and then also they have new ambient modes. So you can like have rain playing and stuff. Uh, funny enough, like when you play rain and stuff, it, it also dances with color, which I hope you can turn off because if I'm playing rain, it's probably usually because I'm trying to go to sleep. It's just glowing on my wall.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Zero nits, please.

• 45:33David Imel?

  Um, it does now also listen for smoke and carbon monoxide alarms and will send notification to your phone if it hears it, which I think is very good.

• 45:41Andrew Manganelli?

  It didn't do that before.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  Interesting. Cause I thought your phone would do that already.

• 45:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, but it's when you're not home.

• 45:45David Imel?

  Yeah. Oh, I see. I see.

• 45:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Like I get.

• 45:47David Imel?

  Got it.

• 45:47Andrew Manganelli?

  My Google Home alerts me if it hears like glass breaking or a monoxide alarm or a fire alarm.

• 45:53David Imel?

  Other new feature is they can also be speakers for your Mac now.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  I saw that. I think that's hilarious.

• 45:59David Imel?

  Uh, in my briefing, for some reason they were playing Angry Birds on the Mac.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  I also saw that.

• 46:03David Imel?

  I.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  What?

• 46:05David Imel?

  This, this setup, Ellis, I think you'd get, get a kick out of this. They just had. An iMac.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 46:10David Imel?

  And a HomePod Mini on either side.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, they had two.

• 46:13David Imel?

  So you can have $300 of speakers.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:15David Imel?

  Both of them are a Siri smart speaker. And they're your, they're, they're the setup. $300 of speakers for your iMac.

• 46:22Speaker 04

  But the whole thing's wireless though, right? Like you don't need to plug the HomePod Mini.

• 46:25David Imel?

  No, it is wireless and they technically, but they both plug into the wall still.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. They said they re-architected the air play, whatever for the home, for specifically for connecting them to a Mac. I don't know what that means. I don't know how much truth is in that.

• 46:41Andrew Manganelli?

  So you can hear the birds footsteps.

• 46:43David Imel?

  I didn't even know Angry Birds was on the Mac.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  I mean, when Apple does gaming demos, it's always like.

• 46:49David Imel?

  Really got a pull from like.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Cut the rope.

• 46:51David Imel?

  Yeah, that's their gaming demo.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  It's literally a beer app.

• 46:54David Imel?

  If you are spending.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  The gun app.

• 46:57David Imel?

  Like what is, who is this person?

• 46:59Speaker 01

  I have, I have an iMac already, but I don't want to use the built-in speakers in the iMac, which are fine.

• 47:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  I want $300 of better speakers.

• 47:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  I'm going to choose two HomePod Minis.

• 47:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  As my speakers.

• 47:14David Imel?

  It's strange, I find.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  I've never thought to do that before.

• 47:18David Imel?

  The Pro Display or Studio Display XTR, uh, does not have speakers, right? So.

• 47:24Speaker 01

  The Studio Display.

• 47:25David Imel?

  I know it does.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Speakers. The Pro Display did not have speakers.

• 47:27David Imel?

  The Pro Display did not have speakers.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:29David Imel?

  So maybe, but then just.

• 47:31Andrew Manganelli?

  If you buy a Pro Display XTR and then two HomePod Minis for your speakers, I need to know that singular person out there.

• 47:38Speaker 04

  It has to be that volume, right? Like.

• 47:40David Imel?

  It's louder.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  Be able to get louder.

• 47:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:43Speaker 04

  Cause I was thinking about, I was like, for that price, you could get one of my favorite cheap studio monitors, the JBL 305 Mark II.

• 47:51David Imel?

  You can get a lot of speaker for $300.

• 47:52Speaker 04

  That's a hundred dollar speaker. You get two of them for $200. You get the audio interface and the cables for the rest.

• 47:56David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:56Speaker 04

  But the problem is that speaker doesn't get very loud. Like it sounds really good, but turned up all the way. It's not what I would describe. So I wonder if two HomePod Minis cooking together.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  I think Apple's argument would be ease of setup and just like you have, this is so many of Apple's unexplainable products is like, well, you have a bunch of extra money and this is easy.

• 48:14David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Like that's the real target demographic.

• 48:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Speaker cost, Michael? $10?

• 48:18Speaker 01

  You have a bunch of extra money and this is easy. So what? Okay. I guess, uh, I have an iMac and I want better speakers. I have a bunch of extra money.

• 48:27David Imel?

  And they make speakers, so I guess I'm getting HomePods, huh? Like, that's, I guess that's it.

• 48:32Speaker 04

  Maybe if you get like a free HomePod with something and then you get another free HomePod later, you're like, oh, now.

• 48:38David Imel?

  But they gotta match.

• 48:39Andrew Manganelli?

  During Black Friday, they do.

• 48:40David Imel?

  Colors, kinda.

• 48:41Speaker 04

  So wait, you can have four of them?

• 48:42David Imel?

  You can have a, you can have a pink iMac and two pink HomePod Mini's.

• 48:46Speaker 04

  Yeah. But like, you could have surround sound.

• 48:48David Imel?

  Yeah, you can.

• 48:49Speaker 04

  Four of them? Why four?

• 48:51David Imel?

  Cause you got a lot of money.

• 48:52Andrew Manganelli?

  They gotta surround you.

• 48:54Speaker 04

  But why not five? Like the standard surround sound.

• 48:56Andrew Manganelli?

  That's an odd, that's an odd number. We don't do it, yeah.

• 49:00David Imel?

  We only do pairs here, only pairs.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay. Yeah, the, the Siri AI coming later thing, I found insane. I feel like Apple's dropping so many products in Q3 and 4 of this year that they had to release them now, even though Siri AI is not ready yet for it. Which, by the way, you shouldn't release something that you say has Siri AI features when Siri AI is not ready, cause you already played that card.

• 49:28Andrew Manganelli?

  You, you learned that.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  And it really didn't go well for you.

• 49:31Speaker 04

  I didn't realize it. That was, that was Apple Intelligence, it was a different thing.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  Oh, right, right.

• 49:35Speaker 04

  Don't worry about it.

• 49:35David Imel?

  That's a good point, it was Apple Intelligence, it was not Siri.

• 49:37Speaker 05

  Can I ask a dumb question?

• 49:38David Imel?

  It's probably not dumb.

• 49:39Andrew Manganelli?

  I bet you it's not that dumb.

• 49:40Speaker 05

  What is the difference?

• 49:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Of what?

• 49:42Speaker 05

  All the AI.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  The Siri?

• 49:44Speaker 05

  Siri AI.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Well, the Siri, the context stuff of it being able to pull information from your, your personal context is like the big new thing.

• 49:54David Imel?

  It's so great.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  So, a lot of their demos will be like, mm, what was that French toast recipe that Jen texted me? And then it'll pull it from your texts and it will find it, and that's the thing that the old Siri couldn't do.

• 50:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  And that is, for some people, very helpful.

• 50:07David Imel?

  Legitimately helpful.

• 50:09Speaker 05

  But, so like, can the speaker do the same thing? Like, what are we doing?

• 50:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Not yet.

• 50:13Speaker 01

  It can be, play, play that album that, uh, my friend texted me about.

• 50:19David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  Or, uh, yeah, something like.

• 50:21David Imel?

  What was that podcast? And then it can just play it directly from Apple Podcast. Like, it is, that, those features work well.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  Uh, Apple TV had one that I thought was funny, which is like, a lot of their demos, I think, are a little unrealistic. And this one is also slightly unrealistic, but it was like, um, what was that show that Bob told me to watch? Play that.

• 50:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  And then it just opened up Ted Lasso, season one, episode one, zero, zero, zero. And I was like, alright, I guess that's probably what I would have done.

• 50:47David Imel?

  Uh huh.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 50:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  But, uh, yeah, that's, that's what it's supposed to be helpful with.

• 50:51David Imel?

  It has to be an Apple TV show.

• 50:54Speaker 05

  How many products have they promised this, like, these AI would be on, and then they haven't launched yet?

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Well, they're promising it for everything. So it's on the iPhone, it's on iOS, it's in beta still, right? I think.

• 51:04David Imel?

  Uh, maybe not.

• 51:05Speaker 05

  So it's still not, like, actually rolled out yet?

• 51:07Andrew Manganelli?

  It is on HomeView, right?

• 51:09Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 51:09David Imel?

  It's on HomeView.

• 51:10Andrew Manganelli?

  It's coming with HomeView. That's why it's even more confused that HomePod Mini doesn't have it.

• 51:15David Imel?

  Well, okay, Home, HomePod Mini comes out October 30th, HomeView comes out in November.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:20David Imel?

  So it's possible that it will roll out to HomePod by the time HomeView is out.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  It's in beta on our iPhones.

• 51:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 51:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I can't believe Siri AI is still in beta.

• 51:31David Imel?

  I know.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Okay, Apple, Apple uses the beta tag for the products that they're the least confident in being good yet. Remember the, uh, the Apple Watch feature where it's like, listening to you all the time?

• 51:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  That one's in beta.

• 51:42David Imel?

  That, that's not even in beta yet, right?

• 51:45Speaker 01

  Well, when it comes out, they said when it does come out, it'll be in beta.

• 51:47David Imel?

  It'll be in beta.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:48David Imel?

  And they're like, alright, I see what you're doing.

• 51:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:50David Imel?

  Okay, last product, they have a new Apple TV 4K, a lot of people have been waiting for this. Faster performance, it can act as a home hub for smart home monitoring and stuff. It plugs into all of this, you know, stuff. Has far field microphones, so you control it, you can control it just from the, the brick or whatever it is. Um, the remote has Find My Support with precision finding, and you can chime it. And the cool thing is, if you just buy the new remote, it will work with the old Apple TVs. You can still find the remote, even if you pair with the old Apple TVs, that's great. But it's $300. It costs the same as a HomeView, which is way more expensive than the old Apple TVs were.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  What was the last 4K?

• 52:28David Imel?

  I, I need.

• 52:28Andrew Manganelli?

  $399 better come with like, a year of Apple TV.

• 52:30David Imel?

  $299.

• 52:31Andrew Manganelli?

  $299, sorry.

• 52:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 52:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Still, point stands.

• 52:33David Imel?

  It's very expensive.

• 52:35Andrew Manganelli?

  That's wild.

• 52:36Speaker 05

  Like, I could buy a whole TV for that price.

• 52:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 52:40Speaker 05

  I could buy two TVs for that price.

• 52:42Andrew Manganelli?

  What are you gonna watch on it, Mariah? When there's no Apple TV 4K plugged into it?

• 52:45Speaker 05

  So true, so true.

• 52:46David Imel?

  Yeah, I, everything's expensive. That's, that's sort of the takeaway that I had, was like, everything feels a little half-baked. Like, they're just trying to make the ecosystems work together, because that's what Apple does. But like, a lot of the scenarios that they introduced were like, I would never do that. But they had to do it, because if they didn't do it, it would feel underbaked. But then, for some reason, they doubled the price on like, everything.

• 53:09Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like for years, we've watched every single other company scramble to try and build the ecosystem that Apple has. And for one time, we got to watch Apple scramble with, with an ecosystem thing. And be like, here's a bunch of stuff, and then, look, we've got the ecosystem for this.

• 53:23David Imel?

  Which is kinda crazy, cause what they usually do is just wait a few years and then introduce a better version. But this time, I feel like they waited a few years and then everyone's like, ugh.

• 53:30Andrew Manganelli?

  They waited a few years and then like, looked at their calendar and were like, oh, [BLEEP], we were supposed to do that. Uh, LG fixed this for us.

• 53:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, the home stuff to me was interesting, because Apple makes a very finite number of products. And they want to have a very high-quality first-party option for a bunch of stuff that they do not make. A doorbell, a thermostat, a, a camera, like, all this stuff.

• 53:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  And I guess in theory, they could have spent a couple more years, like, making their own Apple.

• 53:56David Imel?

  They probably will.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  Maybe, yeah, maybe at some point, they'll also be metal and expensive. But like, instead partnering with the go-tos, which I guess Schneider Electric is one of them, LG is also, I guess, in there, allowed them to get to market more quickly with some stuff, because they're experienced at making that already. But it feels less Apple-like, because it's, it is less Apple-like, by definition, so.

• 54:18David Imel?

  Yeah. So, HomeView comes out, uh, pre-order now, available November 13th. The Apple Home Collection, I think, you can pre-order now as well. Uh, the Apple TV 4K comes out November 13th as well, and the HomePod Mini 2 comes out October 30th.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  Sweet.

• 54:36David Imel?

  So, that's kinda the roundup of that.

• 54:38Andrew Manganelli?

  $350 deadbolt, that's.

• 54:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 54:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Sorry, I keep looking all the numbers next to each other, and like, that's almost as much as the floodlights.

• 54:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 54:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Which feels like it needs to do so much more, but.

• 54:50David Imel?

  Yeah. I don't know, $200 for one indoor camera is insane to me.

• 54:54Andrew Manganelli?

  That also is.

• 54:55David Imel?

  For one!

• 54:56Andrew Manganelli?

  It like, moves around, I guess, but like, the deadbolt is like, I have to spin, I have to spin a physical lock that I'm not even providing.

• 55:04David Imel?

  Yeah. Somewhere out there, somebody is starting their first smart home, and they're like, can I get one of everything? Can I get a HomeView?

• 55:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:11David Imel?

  A doorbell, an outside camera, an inside camera.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  Wonder what that bill would be.

• 55:15David Imel?

  And they just spent literally $2,000, $1,500.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:20David Imel?

  Which, shout out to them. I guess if you own a home, look, if you're spending $1.8 million on a home or whatever, whatever homes cost these days.

• 55:28Speaker 05

  How much did a home cost?

• 55:30David Imel?

  $10? Okay, we gotta take a break, um, we got a lot to talk about. We got Microsoft, we got, more Microsoft, we got Bose, we got stuff.

• 55:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Bose?

• 55:40David Imel?

  Fitbit. Bose, it said Bose here, right?

• 55:42Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 55:42David Imel?

  Oh, I said, oh, that was base. Why did I say Bose? Anyway, we don't got that. We got Fitbit, again, let's go. Trivia.

• 55:51Speaker 04

  Okay, hear me out.

• 55:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Smooth.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  I went to the press release.

• 55:55David Imel?

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:56Speaker 04

  The surround sound thing is kinda cool.

• 55:58David Imel?

  For what?

• 55:59Speaker 04

  Because.

• 56:00David Imel?

  It sounded good.

• 56:01Speaker 04

  Well, it's, it's because, if you get, okay, so you spend $300, Apple TV 4K, right?

• 56:08David Imel?

  Uh huh.

• 56:09Speaker 04

  Then you spend $100 on a HomePod Mini.

• 56:12David Imel?

  No, $150.

• 56:13Speaker 04

  Oh my god. Okay, you spent $150, then you spend $450 more on three more HomePod Mini's, right?

• 56:21David Imel?

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:22Speaker 04

  The fact that you can just plug them all in, put them in your room, and then the, the, for the, Apple TV can sense their location and automatically calibrate.

• 56:31David Imel?

  The ease of setup is what they're good at.

• 56:33Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's a hard thing, like, you can't really buy that, and, uh, that's still a $900 surround sound setup, which like, is not.

• 56:44David Imel?

  Crazy.

• 56:44Speaker 04

  The cheapest one, but it's also very far from the most expensive.

• 56:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Ellis, I'm glad you like them so much, we will set up the new audio room in the new office with those.

• 56:52Speaker 04

  No, no. If we do, for some reason, are, we are lucky enough to get four HomePod Mini review units and an Apple TV 4K. I will be setting this up. All right, let's do trivia.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  I'm feeling that today. So, last week when I was researching the Samsung Mega, a smartphone, I learned about a thing on the Mega that I had never heard of. This was a predecessor of Bixby, a voice assistant on a bunch of Samsung Galaxy phones from the time. Um, it was discontinued and replaced by Bixby. What was it called?

• 57:27David Imel?

  Wait, so the predecessor to Bixby?

• 57:29Speaker 04

  Yes, the voice assistant on Samsung phones before Bixby. It was in fact, on the Samsung Mega, the hilarious big, small phone we talked about last week.

• 57:39David Imel?

  Before I destroyed.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Huh, and it's Samsung-specific, not Android.

• 57:44Speaker 04

  It is Samsung-specific, that's correct.

• 57:45David Imel?

  Whoa, that, that I should know.

• 57:47Speaker 05

  I feel like as soon as you guys see the name, you're gonna be like, oh, yeah!

• 57:50David Imel?

  Okay, good, that's a good hint. All right, well, we'll think about it, answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

• 58:06Speaker 01

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• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Microsoft. They've dropped a new product that I'm very curious about, and I actually want to hear your guys' thoughts on how we should review this, but Surface Laptop Ultra. I've been a fan of Surface Laptops, sneaky for a while now. I've been making beautiful matte black laptops, running Windows for a while, and the newest one is their most powerful laptop yet. It's RTX Spark.

• 1:01:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Can we retire that phase from everyone?

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  Well, I guess it's typically the most powerful one yet, but this one is like significantly.

• 1:01:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  Because we've had all this Apple Silicon—remember M1 comes out and like, they leave Intel in the dust. Like, the jump between Intel MacBook Pros and Apple Silicon MacBook Pros was legendary, and we've been thinking about it ever since. And like, people are thinking about M6, but also like, still have M1s, right? Amazing jump. Unified memory, the whole architecture, beautiful. Windows world has still been sort of like, kind of trying to figure out what to do with that. Like, do they do—because we've had all these—what are they called? Like, uh, ARM chips? All these ARM chips, and we're like, is that the answer? Or is it just gonna be like, we should make our own version of Apple Silicon? RTX Spark comes out, and V is like, here's essentially not the same thing, but a very

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  similar architecture, unified memory, and dramatically more powerful and more headroom and more speed. And that is what's showing up in these new super-high-end laptops.

• 1:02:35Andrew Manganelli?

  And AI.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  And AI, of course. I mean, that—if you look at any of the literature, there's a lot of local AI in there, too.

• 1:02:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Built for local AI and 3D graphics.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Yes, but 3D graphics also, in Windows land, includes gaming, includes like, 3D rendering and like, ray tracing and all those sorts of things, and like, a creative workflow. So there's other things that this could be good at. Anyway, I'm spinning around the point, which is that there is a new, super, super-premium Surface Laptop. It's called the Surface Laptop Ultra. It starts at—is this right? $2,600.

• 1:03:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  And goes way, way, way, way up. There's a lot of different types of people who would be interested in this, but we also notably—we're recording this in the middle of October, right? And we all are expecting at the end of October to get that like, Halloween time Apple event where we get a new, super-high-end touchscreen MacBook Pro. And I do feel like these are the same product on each side of the fence, right? The new, most powerful version yet, and it's matte black, hopefully, and a touchscreen, and just like, their absolute most premium offering for either creative workflows or local AI or whatever else you plan on doing with this high-end hardware.

• 1:03:41Andrew Manganelli?

  There's a silver one, too, by the way. They're not all matte black.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  I'll never—there is silver. I'll never get it. But the matte black one looks so sick. There's also this, uh, this magnetic USB Type-C port on the side, so you probably know, you know, all these MacBook Pros—we've had this little MagSafe thing now, which is not a USB Type-C port. So you kind of are—I guess theoretically doing MagSafe instead of a USB Type-C port.

• 1:04:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, you can still charge via USB-C, but—

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:04:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  But they threw MagSafe on the side there, which is kind of cool. This one, uh, they've put a magnetic USB Type-C connector on the side. So if you want to use the magnetic power connector, it's great. If you don't use it, fine, it's just a USB Type-C port.

• 1:04:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Well, and surfaces have always had that kind of proprietary weird like—

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Surface connect port.

• 1:04:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's almost looked like a PCIe slot, like, thing that magnetically taps it and pops off really easy.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:32Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm interested to see how easy this will—like, MagSafe is there because it pops off really easy, so if you kick a wire with a laptop on a desk, it doesn't fly off.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:41Andrew Manganelli?

  The way this works is it's just a USB-C port with really thick sides that have magnets on it, so it feels like if you pull it horizontally, it probably will snap off pretty easy. But in some other directions, I'm wondering if it—

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:54Andrew Manganelli?

  —will actually pop out, because the USB-C port still goes in pretty far.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, all of the videos that I saw were only it like, kind of like pivoting in on an X, Z axis.

• 1:05:04Andrew Manganelli?

  It had like, a little mechanism they did for demos, and it had an extremely specific way it still snapped in.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  If it gets tugged out up, I don't really know how that's gonna work. Would like to see it. Very, very interested in seeing it. They made a big deal about the fact that it's the most ports ever on a Surface Laptop. They have a USB-A, they have an SD card reader, they have three USB-C ports, including the magnetic one.

• 1:05:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  They have a headphone jack.

• 1:05:28Andrew Manganelli?

  And HDMI.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  HDMI port.

• 1:05:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Full-size.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  Pretty good. Pretty good. And then all the RTX Spark excitement, too.

• 1:05:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  Which is like, this is a super, super-powerful chip. It has a ton of onboard integrated memory, which is shared between the GPU and the CPU. It will get the same power—or I guess 99% of the power—on battery versus plugged in, which is not always true in Windows land, but that is true for these.

• 1:05:51Andrew Manganelli?

  And they're claiming 15 hours of local video playback and 12 hours of active web usage.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  Efficient, good battery life with these big, bright screens, these touchscreen, like, huge—for—I think there's a 4K screen option for this, right?

• 1:06:02Andrew Manganelli?

  3270 by 2180, up to 120 Hz.

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  Okay, so not quite 4K, but close. And there's also another, uh, equivalent in Windows land, which is the ASUS ProArt P16. They're also doing an RTX Spark laptop that's super, super, super-high-end, and it'll do the same stuff. It's like $5,000, $6,000. You can get a $7,000 one with a terabyte of storage and like, a 4K, super-high-res touchscreen, super-bright, super-powerful. It's gonna be awesome. So they're doing these super-high-end laptops, and we're gonna have this MacBook Pro to compare it to very soon. And I'm just excited to see how close the RTX Spark version gets—or maybe even surpasses, because you see the GPU numbers?

• 1:06:42Andrew Manganelli?

  I was gonna say, can I read you the two processors you can purchase?

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  Please.

• 1:06:45Andrew Manganelli?

  There's the Nvidia RTX Spark N1X with 5,120-core GPU and 18-core CPU that is available in a 24 or 32 gigabytes of unified memory version. Or there's the Nvidia RTX Spark N1X with 6,144-core GPU and 20-core CPU, and that's available—I believe that you can go up to 128 gigs.

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, very funny. So I need to somehow figure out how to compare the like, 80-core GPU on MacBook Pro with the 6,144-core GPU on RTX Spark. I don't know what I'm gonna do there, but we'll figure it out.

• 1:07:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Funny enough, you cannot, in the preorder page, get this—the higher processor—you can only get in 32 gigs of memory in Platinum. You have to go matte black to get the 4864.

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, Apple did that with the MacBook Pro as well.

• 1:07:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  I think it only came with—

• 1:07:33Andrew Manganelli?

  They color gated the high-end.

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  Silly.

• 1:07:35Andrew Manganelli?

  I think so.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah. With the M3—with the M3 Max, I believe, they color gated it.

• 1:07:40Andrew Manganelli?

  That's really funny.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  Uh, something I do like about this laptop a lot is that it's very repairable and upgradable. So you can—uh, it has internal wayfinding, published repair guides, replacement parts available, upgradable storage, so you can—you can upgrade the storage yourself, which is really nice. Yeah, that's just—that—that's really nice to see overall.

• 1:07:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Generally.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  These, uh, comparisons to M5 MacBook Pro, is this to M5 Max?

• 1:08:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Compared to M5 MacBook— M5 Pro MacBook Pro, 2.1x faster to first time token.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  Time to first token.

• 1:08:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Time to first token. I don't even know what that means. 4.3x faster image generation, 6.2x faster video generation.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  Wow. You can, you can see who these are targeted at.

• 1:08:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah. They're, I mean, built for AI and image generation.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  Time to first token. Oh, my God.

• 1:08:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't even know what that means. But, um, yeah, that, I think we went over a bunch of the specs. Most of them, like, the cheapest one is 24GB unified memory, 512 SSD. That's that, like, $2,500 one, right? And then you can go up to 1TB, 2TB to get into the, like, almost $6,000 version.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's ridiculously expensive.

• 1:08:48Andrew Manganelli?

  One thing in this event, or you guys, do you have anything else about Surface?

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:08:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Ultra?

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  I, not really. I've always really liked their laptops.

• 1:08:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I think they're sick. I think this is sick. I don't really give a damn about local AIs or anything. So this is too much. I mean, I think it'll be a sick computer, but I don't see me ever spending that kind of money for it.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think a big part of this, and reviewing these, obviously, is where this comes in, is who is this for? Yeah. And did I talk about this last time? When we were thinking about, we have the M5 Ultra Mac Studio and the M6 Mac Mini. Like, three or four years ago, all the ads for Mac Mini and Mac Studio were creative workflows. Yeah. Look at how much faster Premiere and After Effects are. Look at how much faster Final Cut is. Look how much faster it is to render, to, to, like, render this 3D scene. Or to edit a ton of photos, or all this stuff. There's a lot of creative workflows in their examples. Yeah. And people always give [BLEEP] to YouTubers because it'd be like, all you ever do to benchmark is, like, export videos. Like, that's not the only use case. But it's like, well, that's one of the reasons people are buying these things.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  Like, that's what it's for. Now, if you go to M5 Ultra Mac Studio's website, or if you go to M6 Mac Mini's website, a lot of it is time to first token, time to generate images, time to generate videos. All this stuff, like compiling and all the stuff that you do Yeah. in AI land is much more center focused for these products because that's now who it's primarily for. It's obviously still really good for creative stuff. But that's also true about a lot of these, the Surface Ultra, the Pro Art. The Pro Art, they, a lot of their Pro Art line, for a long time, has been like the nicest screens and the nicest creative tools. Yeah. So it's still probably targeted for that. But again, you see, yeah, Pro, it's in the name. It's in the name.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  Pro Art. But it's gonna have a lot of AI token generation benchmarks, too, because that's what these chips are great at. And that's what the buyers, these buyers are making a purchase decision based on how much money they think it will make them back. They're thinking, should I spend the extra $800 to get the 128 gigs of internal memory? So I can run the larger model, so I can have that model work more to make me more money later. Yeah. That's the purchase decision they're making. Yeah. So when we're buying these laptops and we're not doing that local AI stuff, doesn't mean anything to us. But there are some of those people who are trying to buy these laptops.

• 1:11:07Andrew Manganelli?

  One of the examples they gave in this event was they're like, oh, here's the Surface Laptop Ultra running GitHub Copilot. And then he's like, and now I'm just gonna alt-tab to, like, I'm mastering this movie in Da Vinci Resolve. And then he's like, alt-taps again. He's like, and I'm playing Gears of War the entire time.

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  This is the experience of being a freelance creative. You're doing all these things at the exact same time. Yeah.

• 1:11:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is, I mean, that's impressive. It's just very funny that it's just like,

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:34Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm gonna do some AI coding and then master this, uh, film. And now I'm gonna play Gears of War.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. It is crazy capable how, how good these machines are. Um, like, some of the demos that these companies give us, I make fun of Apple all the time for these. I'd be like, and here's my Final Cut timeline. It's like a three-minute video with, like, a bunch of clips. And they're like, I'd like to add a LUT to all of my clips. And I'll just spam, like, just a bunch of things. And they'll be like, and now I'll export it. And now I'm done. And now it's got captions. And now I'm moving on. And I'm like, what? Nobody edits like that. But sure, it's that, it's like a general fast way of demoing how powerful and how quick something works. Yeah, yeah. So I can extrapolate my own workflows based on their insane demos. Yeah, yeah. You wanna talk about the search functionality?

• 1:12:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, there's one other thing in here, which is just like a new update to the Windows search experience that I found, which I mentioned previously when Ella said he was having all his network problems. But it seems like Windows is adding a much better search function within their, like, taskbar search, which is essentially what we've been talking about in a lot of other things, which is like, a, a search feature that just understands you better, can deal with typos and synonyms, and makes finding files and, uh, settings and everything on your laptop so much easier, including inline previews of docs and photos and videos and quick actions inside the, the, like, dialogue on the taskbar, which seems like something Windows has needed forever.

• 1:12:55Speaker 05

  Thank God.

• 1:12:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I know. It's just like, now I can be like, why is my [BLEEP] sound driver not working anymore? Or like, why can't I get the Wi-Fi? You can run commands and stuff. I just feel like it has always been a pain in the neck to try and find things on a Windows computer, even as an experienced Windows user. And having this will make everyone's lives easier, if it works. It was a nice demo. We'll see how it actually works in the end.

• 1:13:19Speaker 05

  I mean, it can't get worse.

• 1:13:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. Everything in this world can get worse.

• 1:13:24Speaker 05

  Couldn't possibly get worse.

• 1:13:25Andrew Manganelli?

  We've been doing this podcast for 300 episodes, and we've seen a lot of things get worse.

• 1:13:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, closer to 400.

• 1:13:31Andrew Manganelli?

  So yeah, I just wanna shout that out. I'm excited to try that and see if it actually works as well.

• 1:13:35Speaker 05

  And I'm very excited for that, actually.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  It used to be a society. Okay. Well, after the break, we're gonna talk about a new Fitbit that is, um, I just wanna, I just wanna preview this. What if the Fitbit Air? Mm-hmm. But with a screen? Huh. Never seen that before. Now you're thinking. Now, okay, well, I'm interested. Now I'm thinking with local AI. I'm excited to get there.

• 1:13:58Andrew Manganelli?

  We need to hire people with bright ideas like this.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right. All right, Ellis.

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  All right, we've been talking about computationally intense Windows products, specifically hardware. I wanna talk about what, at the time, I assume, must have been an insanely graphically intense piece of software, MS Paint.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  Yes. Nice.

• 1:14:27Speaker 04

  A classic, right?

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  Classic.

• 1:14:28Speaker 04

  MS Paint actually comes from a predecessor called PC Paint, which originally was built to complement what piece of computer hardware?

• 1:14:39Speaker 01

  Complement?

• 1:14:40Speaker 04

  Complement.

• 1:14:40Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. PC Paint. To complement a piece of hardware?

• 1:14:46Speaker 04

  I can't find a lot of info on PC Paint. It seems like it's effectively MS Paint. Like, they just sort of bought it, rebadged it, and republished it.

• 1:14:56Speaker 01

  So it came out after MS Paint?

• 1:14:57Speaker 04

  No, it came out before MS Paint. MS, when Microsoft was like, we need this to complement a piece of hardware we're making, they just picked it up.

• 1:15:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:15:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Do we need to name the exact name of the piece of hardware, or just like what it is?

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  Just what it is.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  What it is. Oh, really? What it do?

• 1:15:12Andrew Manganelli?

  What it is.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  What it is. It's definitely an actual sketch. Uh, cool. Okay. Okay. I, it's before my time. It's a sketch. Yeah. But I'll make, I'll make a really good guess, I promise. Okay. We'll be right back.

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• 1:18:01Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, we're back. Lastly, though, I wanted to cover what David mentioned before, the Fitbit Edge, which is a cool but kind of confusing product. And I think the only reason it's confusing is because how everyone's titling all the articles about it, which is, um, we all know Google acquired Fitbit a few years ago. Google and Fitbit have made it nothing short of extremely confusing by keeping both of the names and continually going back and forth. It really, it reminds me of like Google Home and Nest, where I still don't know if I'm supposed to call things a Nest thing or a Google thing, or if it's in the Nest app or the Google app. It's all very confusing.

• 1:18:33David Imel?

  They change it every other month.

• 1:18:34Andrew Manganelli?

  It really feels like it.

• 1:18:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:35Andrew Manganelli?

  So they just announced the Fitbit Edge, which a lot of people are calling the Fitbit Air with a screen.

• 1:18:40David Imel?

  But you have to use Google Health, not the Fitbit app.

• 1:18:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I don't even know that part.

• 1:18:44David Imel?

  I, well, they got rid of the Fitbit app.

• 1:18:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:18:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, they killed that a while ago.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, everything's in Google Health now.

• 1:18:49Andrew Manganelli?

  So I'm confused why people are calling it Fitbit Air with a screen because that's what a Fitbit is. That's what a Fitbit always was. In 2013, they had the Fitbit Force, which was just a rubber bracelet with a little tiny screen that could show things like step count.

• 1:19:03David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:04Andrew Manganelli?

  And like, since then, we have just seen that generally Fitbits are these "watches" in quotes that are just a tall, skinny screen that show fitness metrics on it, right?

• 1:19:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:16Andrew Manganelli?

  So that's what this is. And I think in that sense, this is actually pretty cool. It does slot in between the Pixel Watch and the Fitbit Air.

• 1:19:24David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:24Andrew Manganelli?

  It's $179. It is a much smaller screen, a much smaller form factor. It is updated because the Fitbit Charge 6 is, I believe, the last Fitbit we really got, which was in 2023. And this looks way nicer than that.

• 1:19:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:39Andrew Manganelli?

  And is almost the same price. So I'm assuming it's got all the new updated sensors and everything. 1.34 inch AMOLED display, seven day battery life, 100% charge in 90 minutes or five minutes for one day of battery life. 1.35 grams, side button, GPS, and all the fun fitness tracking stuff you'd expect out of a Fitbit. I'm assuming probably still a garbage app like the, uh, oh, I know because it doesn't, because it can show things.

• 1:20:03David Imel?

  Update it to make it less broken.

• 1:20:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:20:06David Imel?

  So gotta note that.

• 1:20:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool. But so like, yeah, my really fast take on this is I actually, I think it's kind of cool. I wouldn't want it, but this is a new, this is a modernized Fitbit that fits in the lineup much better.

• 1:20:19David Imel?

  Fits.

• 1:20:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Hearing it called the Fitbit Air with a screen reminds me of how White Claws started making non-alcoholic seltzers. Like you are now just making the thing you originally based your weird thing off of.

• 1:20:30David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  So does this one show like notifications and stuff?

• 1:20:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:35David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:20:37Andrew Manganelli?

  This is, this is, I think they basically said this is the Fitbit Air if you want the notifications and some of the updates you would have on a screen without having a full-blown watch screen.

• 1:20:47Speaker 05

  This is my ideal watch.

• 1:20:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I think this actually looks kind of nicer than the Pixel Watch.

• 1:20:51Speaker 05

  100% buy this seven day battery life?

• 1:20:54David Imel?

  That's pretty good.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  Like, yeah, it has real watch faces.

• 1:20:57David Imel?

  Wow.

• 1:20:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's a whole, I think it's interesting. Yeah.

• 1:20:59David Imel?

  Why are they selling the Pixel Watch then?

• 1:21:00Speaker 05

  Why would I spend $400 on a Pixel Watch when this fits my wrist better?

• 1:21:05David Imel?

  How many days of battery life does a Pixel Watch have?

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  Less, but it's a much bigger screen.

• 1:21:08Speaker 05

  Pixel Watch 5 is 40 hours with always.

• 1:21:11Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like every regular Apple Watch.

• 1:21:14Speaker 05

  72 hours with a battery saver mode on the Pixel Watch.

• 1:21:17David Imel?

  This is so much better.

• 1:21:19Andrew Manganelli?

  It's funny that this is about the same amount of battery life as the Fitbit Air, but that's probably because it's got a bigger form factor to fit a larger battery in with the screen. But like, this isn't that big. This is kind of nice.

• 1:21:29Speaker 05

  This is great. I would genuinely buy this. This looks like a good product.

• 1:21:32David Imel?

  You should.

• 1:21:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's 179.

• 1:21:35David Imel?

  I also want to note that the band team has been cooking.

• 1:21:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, the bands, there is a lot of good bands for this.

• 1:21:40David Imel?

  Ever since the Fitbit Air come out, came out, which had a couple of bands and they all sucked. These ones are actually pretty good looking and they have some like fancy ones, like they have like a, I don't even know what you call it, like a Milanese kind of thing and.

• 1:21:55Speaker 01

  Metal Links.

• 1:21:55David Imel?

  Yeah, Metal Link Band. They also released two new bands for the Fitbit Air with the Fitbit Edge. And those look great, too. So that's been good to see because I have been, you know, this thing has gotten real dirty.

• 1:22:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Air Metal Mesh Band is what they're called.

• 1:22:12David Imel?

  Metal Mesh. It looks, I mean, I've saw, I saw photos of it on some people and it looked really nice.

• 1:22:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Was, uh, I don't know how I feel about that.

• 1:22:19David Imel?

  Kind of just looks like a bracelet.

• 1:22:20Andrew Manganelli?

  It should have a watch attached to it.

• 1:22:21David Imel?

  Well, it kind of just feels like a fashion bracelet.

• 1:22:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Like a thick fashion bracelet.

• 1:22:25Speaker 05

  Huge news.

• 1:22:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, I know nothing about fashion.

• 1:22:27Speaker 05

  Is that Fitbit Edge is gonna have Google Maps coming soon.

• 1:22:30David Imel?

  Wow.

• 1:22:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, it does have its own GPS, which is great.

• 1:22:34David Imel?

  It's, okay, question. Dedicated GPS in this seven day battery life? Garmin freaking no screen?

• 1:22:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:42David Imel?

  No dedicated GPS?

• 1:22:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, same with the Fitbit Air.

• 1:22:45David Imel?

  $400?

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  It's kind of surprising.

• 1:22:47David Imel?

  Very surprising.

• 1:22:48Speaker 01

  I wonder how much it's used. It's probably just in active workouts that require GPS tracking minus like.

• 1:22:53David Imel?

  Yeah, but still.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  I guess maybe Google Maps will be able to use it too. But.

• 1:22:56David Imel?

  This has dedicated GPS, it's not just when it's connected to your phone?

• 1:22:59Andrew Manganelli?

  It said GPS on it.

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  It says GPS in the specs. I don't really know when it's used or how often it's on, but.

• 1:23:03David Imel?

  It has Galileo too.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  It's there.

• 1:23:05David Imel?

  That's crazy.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  Wait, in, he's in the.

• 1:23:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Dog.

• 1:23:10David Imel?

  It comes with.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  I have so many more questions.

• 1:23:12David Imel?

  The man himself. Anyway, yeah, wow. Okay. This seems good.

• 1:23:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's awesome. I think just, uh, this is mostly me just ranting about stop calling it a Fitbit Air with a screen. Cause that's just what a Fitbit Air is a Fitbit without a screen.

• 1:23:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Fair enough.

• 1:23:26David Imel?

  I do think it's cool that they offer now like multiple screen shapes and sizes. But yeah, seven day battery life with better bands, half the price of a Pixel Watch. I feel like for people that want the screen but want the Fitbit Air, this is a really good in-between.

• 1:23:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I do kind of like wish there was a version that was like the current Fitbit Air, but with the screen of the Fitbit Force from 2013, which is literally just like.

• 1:23:49David Imel?

  Matrix.

• 1:23:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Essentially, yeah, what? Five different, enough for like five characters.

• 1:23:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Like maybe be able to.

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  I really like this little, this little OLED.

• 1:23:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:58Andrew Manganelli?

  This little, little OLED.

• 1:23:59Speaker 01

  Black bezels, this little OLED, just like give me a couple things, step counter, time, temperature.

• 1:24:04Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a good lineup if you look at it from Air, Edge, Pixel Watch.

• 1:24:09David Imel?

  They're cooking.

• 1:24:09Speaker 05

  Can I ask a dumb question?

• 1:24:10David Imel?

  It's probably not dumb.

• 1:24:12Andrew Manganelli?

  We're talking about.

• 1:24:12Speaker 05

  Keep asking dumb questions. Are the other Fitbit products iOS compatible?

• 1:24:18David Imel?

  Yeah, with the Google Health app, yeah.

• 1:24:19Speaker 05

  Okay, cool. Cause this one is as well. I was just curious.

• 1:24:21David Imel?

  Yes. I want to throw back to an older version of the podcast, which I don't remember, but was anybody in here on team? No Apple Watch allowed at the wedding?

• 1:24:32Andrew Manganelli?

  We were all here. Oh, wait, like said you shouldn't wear one?

• 1:24:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was because you went to the Met Gala wearing one.

• 1:24:37David Imel?

  Well, I was obviously on team like wear the Apple Watch at my wedding. That's fine.

• 1:24:41Speaker 04

  I thought, didn't you, weren't you the one who was like?

• 1:24:45Speaker 04

  None of mine.

• 1:24:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow, thrower under the.

• 1:24:47David Imel?

  Was anybody, was anybody fully against that?

• 1:24:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I think there was, I think the Met Gala and this were separate episodes because the wedding was about a tweet that was like popping off.

• 1:24:55Speaker 04

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:24:56David Imel?

  There was some guy who was like, don't, don't you dare.

• 1:24:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I was anti.

• 1:25:00David Imel?

  I was anti it at the wedding because I was thinking it was gonna feel outdated and the whole point of weddings is to feel out of time.

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  Okay, can I ask you then?

• 1:25:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:08Speaker 01

  How do you feel about the Fitbit Edge dressed up with a nice metal band at that same wedding?

• 1:25:13David Imel?

  It's still got a screen on it.

• 1:25:14Speaker 05

  You gotta say yes, David.

• 1:25:15David Imel?

  Why?

• 1:25:16Speaker 05

  Let us just wear what we want.

• 1:25:18David Imel?

  Oh, yeah? Okay. I wore the Fitbit Air to the wedding I went to last weekend.

• 1:25:23Speaker 05

  I think you should be allowed to wear anything you want.

• 1:25:25Andrew Manganelli?

  It's close.

• 1:25:26David Imel?

  It was hidden under.

• 1:25:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Just add a little OLED on there and then.

• 1:25:29David Imel?

  Yeah, you're good.

• 1:25:30Andrew Manganelli?

  It's the same thing.

• 1:25:30David Imel?

  It was hidden underneath my, my cuff link.

• 1:25:32Andrew Manganelli?

  They should make a cover for the top of them that just has a fake analog of hands and then you could just cover it up.

• 1:25:38Speaker 04

  This is like when people are talking to their pets and like, okay, you can have a little salami. It's like, okay, you can have a little smart.

• 1:25:45Andrew Manganelli?

  You're not giving your pets salami?

• 1:25:47Speaker 04

  I don't have any pets.

• 1:25:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Well.

• 1:25:48Speaker 04

  I have the freaking mouse that won't go in the traps, but.

• 1:25:51Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know. I, I forgot what team I was on, but I, I think at that point we were doing that fitness competition and I had to wear, I didn't have to. But in order to win the fitness competition, I had to wear the Apple Watch and I crushed my rings that night, so it was worth it.

• 1:26:05David Imel?

  Yeah, okay. No, I'm, I'm fully on team. Where would you, where would you have?

• 1:26:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Where are your kicks?

• 1:26:09David Imel?

  It's a time capsule.

• 1:26:10Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a time capsule.

• 1:26:11David Imel?

  If you take the photo on a 5D, is that dating the photo? Cause it's taken with a camera of the time? Like everything is of the time.

• 1:26:19Speaker 04

  No, it's because it's, it's because emails come on that thing. That's the reason.

• 1:26:23David Imel?

  Emails will show up in 30 years when I'm looking back at these photos.

• 1:26:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Email.

• 1:26:27Speaker 04

  No, no, no. I'm, no, no, I'm saying like the reason the Apple Watch at the wedding is a bad thing is because it's, you're gonna get an email. Like weddings are an email-free space. If we, if we've culturally agreed that any space is a email-free space, it's weddings. I would even argue.

• 1:26:41David Imel?

  Do not disturb.

• 1:26:42Speaker 04

  You could send an email at a funeral and it would be more appropriate.

• 1:26:45David Imel?

  I think do not disturb is all you need. I should have the Apple Watch on and it's on do not disturb. But I get to track my calories for my, for the dancing. I get to, all the other stuff, it's still, it's still there. I think that should be, that should be fair game.

• 1:26:57Andrew Manganelli?

  I think at a wedding, if they're the people getting married and they ask you to do something, you should probably just listen to them.

• 1:27:02Speaker 04

  What would you do if the person officiating your wedding was wearing an Apple Watch?

• 1:27:05Andrew Manganelli?

  And reading the script off of their Apple Watch?

• 1:27:10David Imel?

  On the little side.

• 1:27:11Speaker 01

  That would be a little much. I don't know where the line is. I just know that everything in the wedding photos is a sign of the times. From the outfits we're wearing.

• 1:27:19Speaker 05

  To the bullets, the rat tails.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  To the grandma, holding their phone like this, taking pictures, like that's a sign of the times, like the watch I'm wearing.

• 1:27:27Andrew Manganelli?

  It is very common for officiants to say, please put your phones away.

• 1:27:30Speaker 01

  I hear that all the time and I always see phones anyway.

• 1:27:34Andrew Manganelli?

  You gotta call them out then.

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:27:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Grandma.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  It's always the grandmother. I don't want to call it the grandma.

• 1:27:38Andrew Manganelli?

  You gotta. Grandma, fingers in front of that lens.

• 1:27:41Speaker 01

  They'll never learn if you don't keep calling them out.

• 1:27:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Let her have this one. She doesn't have that many more weddings to go to.

• 1:27:46Speaker 01

  That's fair enough. Yeah, it's just a, it's a fun question, but yeah, I think Fitbit is, the edge is kind of far. Yeah, I'm on the edge of my seat, waiting to see if this is good. I'm also on the edge of my seat, waiting to see if I get the trivia questions right.

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  I'm not going to get them right.

• 1:28:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Neither am I.

• 1:28:03David Imel?

  Especially the second one.

• 1:28:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Guess on the line. I'm excited I have a guess.

• 1:28:07Speaker 01

  The second one?

• 1:28:08Speaker 04

  I'm sorry, guys. This is your fault because you didn't know what Chumby was.

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's my fault.

• 1:28:13Andrew Manganelli?

  He's that guy from Pawn Stars.

• 1:28:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. Before there was Bixby, there was what?

• 1:28:21Speaker 04

  Did you say it's the guy from Pawn Stars?

• 1:28:24Speaker 05

  Crazy you've ever said.

• 1:28:26Speaker 04

  That's Chum Lee, okay? Put some respect on his name.

• 1:28:31Speaker 05

  That was a deep cut. That's crazy.

• 1:28:35Speaker 01

  Shit. Oh.

• 1:28:40Andrew Manganelli?

  The dead silence of trivia and then you're just gonna have to bleep that is gonna be really funny.

• 1:28:46Speaker 04

  What do we got, fellas?

• 1:28:48Andrew Manganelli?

  This is either really dumb or really smart.

• 1:28:53Speaker 04

  Okay, who wants to go first?

• 1:28:55Speaker 01

  I wrote the Samsung AI assistant. Cause I don't know what it is. Well, that is different than David's answer. What did you write, David? God, it was. I don't think it is, but. I wrote Samsung assistant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wrote Dex.

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  Why would it be called Dex?

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  It's not Dex? I don't know.

• 1:29:09Speaker 04

  That's another thing.

• 1:29:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I know it's another thing, but this is way before. So I was like, maybe that's where it came from.

• 1:29:14Speaker 04

  That's true. No, it was called S-voice.

• 1:29:16Speaker 01

  Oh, I knew that. I didn't know.

• 1:29:18Andrew Manganelli?

  You do? I knew that.

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  No, it's because Siri, it was such an obvious copy. S-voice, Samsung voice, Siri, it's all on the same, dang, I knew that. I should have known that considering I contributed. That's a good question. I should have gotten that.

• 1:29:30Andrew Manganelli?

  It should have been called Galaxy.

• 1:29:31Speaker 04

  I appreciate that.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  No, I remember that.

• 1:29:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Galaxy Brain would be a sick name for that.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  I remember the little logo too for the button with the S on it. Damn. Yeah. I should have gotten that.

• 1:29:41Speaker 04

  Before I read the next question, quick update on the score. Mariah, can you open up your computer?

• 1:29:47Speaker 04

  Quick update on the score. Marquez, you got 10 points, meaning you're right behind Andrew at 11 points.

• 1:29:54Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:29:55Speaker 04

  David is still somehow lapping everyone at 16 points.

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  We're catching him though.

• 1:30:02Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm gonna stroll in Latifi over here.

• 1:30:04Speaker 04

  Now, quick correction. I read the question the first time. I accidentally said PC Paint. What I meant was PC Paint Brush. Not that that matters to any of you guys, just a different program. PC Paint Brush was the thing that came before Microsoft Paint. However, they're all in the same fork of one another. Anyway, MS Paint, also known previously as PC Paint Brush, was released, here, I'll give you a little more hint, as part of the driver package for what piece of hardware for Windows computers?

• 1:30:39Speaker 01

  Hardware?

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  Hardware for Windows computers.

• 1:30:45Speaker 04

  What would you, what would you, what would be really exciting? I just got a brand new blank. Now I can use MS Paint.

• 1:30:52Speaker 01

  Let me try, let me try something. Can it be a category? Let me try.

• 1:30:55Speaker 04

  You can be pretty vague with this one.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  I'm just trying, this is a shot in the dark. Shot in the dark, but you're to blame. If the thing that I erased was the right answer, I'm gonna be pretty mad though.

• 1:31:07Speaker 04

  I, I feel so bad. All right.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  Wow, y'all put different things. That's what I wrote.

• 1:31:13Andrew Manganelli?

  That's what I was, that was my other guess, but now I have a third guess too.

• 1:31:16Speaker 04

  David, what did you put?

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  Drawing tablet.

• 1:31:18Speaker 04

  Unfortunately, drawing tablet is not correct. I'm sure someone's gonna be like, actually, they did release a drawing tablet. So please let me know and then I'll give them the point. Marquez?

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  I wrote mouse and crossed it out and wrote stylus.

• 1:31:29Speaker 04

  I'm so sorry. And Andrew, would you please?

• 1:31:34Andrew Manganelli?

  I, the best part about trivia now is based on who Ellis calls on first. I wrote mouse.

• 1:31:40Speaker 04

  Mouse is correct.

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  So when they.

• 1:31:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I also wrote that before all of your hints.

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  So when they invented the mouse, they released that software.

• 1:31:47Speaker 04

  It's not exactly that simple and who invented the mouse is a little bit of a convoluted. It was one of those, like, people were sort of racing towards it. At the same time, however, there was a company called Mouse Systems.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:31:59Speaker 04

  That bought some simple art software and then bundled it with their stuff and then released a Windows driver for their mouse. Microsoft was like, why are we not making a mouse 2? So they.

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  Cause they never made mouse 1.

• 1:32:14Speaker 04

  They also developed.

• 1:32:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Gotta start somewhere, Microsoft.

• 1:32:16Speaker 04

  They licensed the art software, they bundled it.

• 1:32:19Speaker 01

  It made too much sense.

• 1:32:21Speaker 04

  I'm sorry, guys.

• 1:32:22Andrew Manganelli?

  The vibes of.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  You see, I wrote mouse. I did, I wrote mouse in all caps.

• 1:32:26Speaker 04

  Next week, I'm just gonna start making stuff up again. We gotta go back to trivia's roots, man, where I just start.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  Which is, this is a real tech company.

• 1:32:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. Chumby would have been an excellent candidate for that. There's a chance Mariah cuts the entire Chumby section and people have no idea what I'm talking about when I say Chumby.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  Equally funny.

• 1:32:44Speaker 04

  Equally funny.

• 1:32:45Speaker 01

  Incredible.

• 1:32:46Speaker 04

  Who wants to read us out?

• 1:32:47Speaker 01

  Hey, it's still October. By the time you listen to this, Techtober is still cruising along. So thank you for watching and listening to this week's episode. Get subscribed if you haven't already to be first in line to wash your dishes to next week's episode, because it's still gonna be fire. Otherwise, catch you soon. Peace.

• 1:33:04Speaker 04

  Bye.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  There's so much stuff next week as well.

• 1:33:07Andrew Manganelli?

  We're from, was produced by Mariah Zink and Ellis Rovin, a part of Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro outro music was created by Vane. So.

• 1:33:16Speaker 01

  Bingo.

• 1:33:17Speaker 05

  Let's go. Bingo, bud.

• 1:33:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Bingo.

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 1:33:35Speaker 04

  Guys, what is this called? As far as I could tell, this was one of the first home dashboard sort of ecosystem screen things that was ever made. And when the home view came out, I saw a bunch of people on Twitter being like, damn, we had this in 2006.

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  Can I? Not have this in.

• 1:33:53Andrew Manganelli?

  First of all, it kind of looks, I thought it was a ham at first.

• 1:33:55Speaker 01

  A ham.

• 1:33:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Like a ham.

• 1:33:57Speaker 04

  Excuse me, for audio listeners, can you please describe what you're looking at? I think ham, like tech ham with a.

• 1:34:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Leather ham.

• 1:34:05Speaker 04

  Have you ever played that game, the DS game where you gotta, you, you draw stuff?

• 1:34:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:11Speaker 04

  What's it called?

• 1:34:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Scribble Knots.

• 1:34:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, it sort of has a scribble knots-esque interface.

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  I love scribble.

• 1:34:16Speaker 04

  But picture that on a ham.

• 1:34:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, the two screens, one has Pandora and one has something called Face Maker. Yeah, so it's like an old home hub kind of thing, but it kind of just looks like a stuffed leather purse upside down and there's a screen in the middle.

• 1:34:30Speaker 01

  I definitely have never heard of this, but I will do my best to guess. Hundred percent.

• 1:34:34Speaker 04

  Marquez, damn it. This was the one where.

• 1:34:36Speaker 01

  I didn't own a home in 2006?

• 1:34:38Speaker 04

  I know, but you were reviewing, you know, TV remotes. I thought this might have made it across your desk.

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  06?

• 1:34:45Speaker 04

  I assumed one of you would be like, oh, I totally remember that.

• 1:34:48Speaker 01

  I have no idea.

• 1:34:49Speaker 04

  You want a different question?

• 1:34:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I guess who made it?

• 1:34:51Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:34:52Andrew Manganelli?

  MySpace.

• 1:34:53Speaker 04

  No. It's called the Chumby.

• 1:34:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Chumby? No, no, I've never get that.

• 1:34:58Speaker 04

  Mariah, I'll let you decide if you want to keep that catastrophe of a trivia question. Damn, I was really hoping one of you would be like.

• 1:35:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:35:05Speaker 04

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• 1:35:38Speaker 06

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