Framework Laptops and a Robot Cleaner?

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David kick things off by talking about the new Apple leasing program. After that, they get into everything from the new Framework laptop to humanoid robot cleaning services. They wrap it all up by playing a game of Keyword Search! Enjoy. Links: DC Rainmaker - Garmin Cirqa update Apple leasing program MKBHD - Framework 13 Pro review Elektrek - Volvo discontinuing LiDAR Verge - Playstation Blackout Tau Robotics This episode brought to you by: Framer: https://www.framer.com/waveform Follow us on socials: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:02Speaker 02

  Guys, what came first?

• 1:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Sharks.

• 1:05Speaker 04

  Seventy Sixers.

• 1:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Before trees.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  Me.

• 1:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  You guys really do listen.

• 1:10Speaker 04

  Sharks came before fire.

• 1:12Andrew Manganelli?

  That's not that whole.

• 1:14Speaker 04

  Do you know that?

• 1:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, like people making fire?

• 1:17Speaker 04

  I learned this on Reddit, so asterisk, asterisk.

• 1:25Speaker 04

  Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marquez.

• 1:30Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 1:30David Imel?

  And I'm David.

• 1:31Speaker 04

  So, not a ton of news this week, but we still have plenty to talk about. On today's episode, we're going to talk about Apple's new leasing program, some framework laptop thoughts, video viewers have already picked that up, Volvo discontinuing Lightar in all of their cars, and a pretty insane-looking robot cleaning service that hit our Twitter feeds this week. And then we'll wrap it all up with a game. But first, before, before did they even test this? LeBron or the Sixers?

• 1:58Speaker 02

  That is right, every dude, I, thank you to everyone.

• 2:01Speaker 04

  Figured you want to chime in, Ellis.

• 2:03Speaker 02

  All weekend, my mentions were blowing up with people being like, what do you think? I came here first. Thank you for thinking of me.

• 2:10Speaker 04

  I feel like I was honored to be the one to break the news to you.

• 2:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, wait, can you tell that story?

• 2:14Speaker 04

  I remember, where was I? I think I just was walking back across the studio and I checked my phone and I saw that LeBron had posted a video. And it was like a two-minute video on Instagram. And I was like, well, if LeBron's trolling with two-minute videos on Instagram while everyone's waiting for his decision, that's pretty crazy. So I scrolled to the end of the video and it's just a slow-mo Sixers logo. And I was like, oh, so this is it? And so I walk up to you and I go, Ellis, it happened. Ellis goes, whoa, whoa, wait a second, wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on, because he doesn't, you don't want to be duped, you know? You've been saying it for a while, but it turned out it was true.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  It was true, yeah. No, I couldn't have gotten, it was actually awesome because you were like, LeBron made his decision. And then you didn't tell me what. And I was like, oh, my God, this is perfect. But I just want to say, I feel like we're going to have a lot of new Sixers fans because of this. A lot of people, and I'm so stoked, feel free to bandwagon, we're, the more the merrier in Sixers Nation. However, and this is part of the reason this feels so good. This is the most chaotic team you could possibly root for, which is part of the fun. In the last, like, four years, we've seen players' appendix rupture right before the playoffs. We've had players get hit by cars randomly and get taken out of series. Almost every single player we've ever passed up on has won a championship,

• 3:31Speaker 02

  including two in the past six months, Landry Shamet and Mikael Bridges. This is like a fanbase where every possible thing that could go wrong goes wrong. And so the fact that we ended up with the GOAT, I just, this, the story writes itself, the process.

• 3:49Speaker 04

  Process.

• 3:49Speaker 06

  There's still time.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  The process is the greatest story ever told, okay?

• 3:53Speaker 04

  It does feel like, if, I don't know how many people play NBA 2K, but if you play my career, you'll like play to the end of the season, and then you start a new season and you, they kind of like hit shuffle on all the rosters. And so you'll start playing a game and be like, oh, that's right. There's just random people that are on different teams now to simulate like a couple offseason trades. And that's kind of how this feels, like LeBron in a Sixers jersey? That doesn't seem right, but I guess it's real.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  And what it's more that, it's like, what makes it an even crazier story is like, we've had this, we had this executive for a long time named Daryl Morey. That's like the guy who essentially picks who's on your basketball team. And he constantly was making these bets on players that didn't pay off. And people were sort of like, is this, does this guy really know what he's doing? We're not really sure he is this good rep, but the team's never really that good. And then we fire him and we hire this new guy named Mike Gansey. And we're like, okay, you know, Mike Gansey, his first offseason, let's see how he does. And immediately gets Jalen Brown and LeBron James. It's like, oh, my goodness.

• 4:50Speaker 04

  Chips are in.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  So, yeah, this year is going to be so much fun. I'm not making any predictions.

• 4:55Speaker 04

  I was just about to ask for a prediction.

• 4:56Speaker 02

  I can't, I can't make any predictions. All I'm saying is that as someone who has been on this ride for quite some time now, seen extreme highs and extreme, so many debilitating lows. Uh, boy, this is such an exciting chapter. Yeah, so welcome, welcome all new Sixers fans. I even wore, this is official Sixers merch. Uh, my friend Crystal, who listens to the podcast, instructed me that this loosely translates phonetically to Embiid in Chinese.

• 5:27Speaker 04

  I believe you? I want to Google Lens it just to make sure, but I'm just going to trust you on this one.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  I hope it does, anyway.

• 5:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow, that's crazy, Nixon Five. So, before they even.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  You're the one that predicted this. Half of my tweets were like, Andrew was right.

• 5:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, you did say that.

• 5:44Andrew Manganelli?

  That was quantity over quality. I've been saying that for weeks and it just happened to land on the perfect timing. I take no credit. Don't look at my poly market bets, but, uh, um, we do have a, did they even test this? And I'm excited for this one.

• 5:59Speaker 04

  What is it?

• 6:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, you know how much I love Reddit and their new Reddit app?

• 6:03Speaker 04

  The new, oh, you hate the new Reddit app?

• 6:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 6:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I've been getting these ads on the new Reddit app that make no sense. And I'm going to show it to you guys. Who wants to see this first?

• 6:16Speaker 02

  Me.

• 6:16Speaker 04

  The ad makes no sense?

• 6:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Just, so I've taken screen recordings because this has happened to me multiple times. And I have multiple. And I want David to describe when you press the play button, what this looks like.

• 6:25David Imel?

  Well, you're pressing play on the ad.

• 6:27Speaker 04

  Oh, autoplay?

• 6:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, sorry, I took a screen recording of what it was, okay?

• 6:31David Imel?

  Okay, so there's an ad and it's like half the screen. And Andrew's scrolling down. Oh, he scroll, oh, oh, okay, okay. So there's a large, large image where you have to scroll about four to five full swipes to actually get through the video.

• 6:47Speaker 04

  I hate these types of, yeah.

• 6:48Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I don't think it's on purpose. I think this is a bug. Can you guys see this?

• 6:53David Imel?

  It's very zoomed in, too, so it seems like a bug, yeah.

• 6:56Andrew Manganelli?

  It's for something called Ollie Dog Food, and I've had it happen multiple times to me.

• 7:00David Imel?

  Wait, only on that ad?

• 7:01Andrew Manganelli?

  It's only ever for this type, it's a couple different photos. But something about it, the photo is getting uploaded incorrectly to where the aspect ratio is probably like, what, one by 10?

• 7:15David Imel?

  Six by 24, but vertically.

• 7:18Andrew Manganelli?

  So 24 by 6? It's just like super, super long and will take up the whole screen for multiple scrolls. And I can't figure out why it's only this ad and why.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  Are you sure it happens all the time?

• 7:31David Imel?

  Intentional.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, intentional, like a marketing thing that they did?

• 7:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, that actually would shock a brand.

• 7:36Andrew Manganelli?

  That's so much worse. That's, if Reddit's allowing you, if Reddit's allowing you to take ads that take up that much screen.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  Oh, no, yeah, bad on Reddit, great for this company.

• 7:46Andrew Manganelli?

  It destroys user experience, which is already destroyed because the Reddit app is dog water. I don't know, this is clearly, and it's only for this ad, because I do get other ones. But this happens to me probably once a day. I get this specific ad and it just makes me scroll forever and ever and ever. And I'm really interested in this happens to anyone else.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  That might be, uh, like a hack that they found.

• 8:10Andrew Manganelli?

  You think like dog food company?

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, like the dog food company is like, if we upload this video in this aspect ratio, Reddit will not flag it and it'll run and it'll take up multiple scrolls.

• 8:19Speaker 04

  I actually believe that.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Kudos to the marketing person. Although, this is one of those things where it just makes me really mad. So like, I don't, if the ad just makes me mad, why would I ever, ever purchase?

• 8:32Speaker 04

  I think once in a while, uh, people who were scrolling, when you get to that ad and it's like multiple scrolls, they'll tap it by accident instead of scrolling. And they end up on the website.

• 8:42Andrew Manganelli?

  And that looks like good page clicks, but that's just kind of like how Google Docs has the generate image button when you're trying to add a photo. And it's like, are we really generating images? Are we still just clicking the wrong thing and you're getting false clicks on this?

• 8:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, my other quick Reddit thing is, and I wonder if this happens to anyone else. If you look at your inbox for like people who reply to comments on the Reddit app, it doesn't sync with the browser. And maybe that's an old Reddit thing. But if I get like three people replying to a comment and I look at all of them in the Reddit app, when I go onto my browser, I still have those three notifications on the browser and vice versa. It's interesting.

• 9:18Speaker 04

  They definitely did not test that.

• 9:20Andrew Manganelli?

  They don't test anything except for how much money they can make to try an IPO, if they did or not.

• 9:25David Imel?

  They're a IPO, they've been on public for a while, yeah. They're actually doing quite well, not that we care, but they are.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  Damn it.

• 9:32David Imel?

  Okay. You want to talk about the update to the Garmin Circa?

• 9:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah. One really quick thing. They did, through all of the feedback, it looks like they did add live heart rate monitoring in the app, which should have been a default in the first place.

• 9:48David Imel?

  If you're not privy to this, it was, uh, last week we talked about Garmin's smart band that rivals the Fitbit Air and the Whoop. And, uh, we got one in, right?

• 9:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Not yet.

• 9:58David Imel?

  Not yet? We're potentially gonna get one?

• 10:00Speaker 04

  The Garmin yet, annoyingly.

• 10:02David Imel?

  Wait.

• 10:03Speaker 04

  They shipped separately to me, so.

• 10:05David Imel?

  The actually band, so the band is separate from the module?

• 10:09Speaker 04

  I got a, uh, armband.

• 10:10David Imel?

  Oh, I see.

• 10:11Speaker 04

  I got a package from Garmin and I said, "Oh, finally we get to test it." And I open it and it's just the armband.

• 10:16David Imel?

  Just the armband.

• 10:17Speaker 04

  So I'm still waiting for it, but I'll test it.

• 10:18David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 10:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:19David Imel?

  $200, no subscription, so better than Whoop. Uh, anything's better than Whoop, but, uh, not.

• 10:26Andrew Manganelli?

  No, God.

• 10:28Speaker 02

  I thought only Andrew was the hater. Now Dave is the hater too.

• 10:30David Imel?

  I used both, bro, and like, I don't understand the market for that product, when, when all these other products exist. Marquez would disagree with me.

• 10:37Speaker 04

  I have found that one of the cardinal sins I've made in the past is by saying, "If it's not for me, it must be bad," but it is not.

• 10:44David Imel?

  That's fair enough.

• 10:44Speaker 04

  Necessarily bad.

• 10:45David Imel?

  That's fair enough.

• 10:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:46David Imel?

  Yeah, there's some people that are hardcore Whoop people, so I understand, but.

• 10:51Speaker 04

  Well, yeah.

• 10:51Andrew Manganelli?

  But anyways, yeah.

• 10:52Speaker 04

  Definitely test it.

• 10:52Andrew Manganelli?

  They were not, they were including live heart rate tracking only in the subscription version.

• 10:58David Imel?

  Hmm.

• 10:58Andrew Manganelli?

  But they took that off of that and it's now in the free version?

• 11:00Speaker 04

  You think we did that?

• 11:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, I think.

• 11:03Speaker 04

  Or enough people agreed with this?

• 11:05Andrew Manganelli?

  And DC Rainmaker probably did that, cause I'm sure they.

• 11:07Speaker 04

  Shout out to them.

• 11:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 11:08Speaker 04

  For, yeah.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  They're more influential in that space.

• 11:10Andrew Manganelli?

  In that space, they're like the goats of it.

• 11:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, love it.

• 11:13David Imel?

  All right, so last week we briefly mentioned the potential of a new app, Apple leasing program, uh, because it was a report from Bloomberg that had broken. Turns out it was almost entirely correct. Uh, this has gone live as of, I believe, yesterday. So now Apple's calling this the Apple Upgrade Leasing Program. Um, it's pretty much what we thought. Prices start at $17.99 a month for iPhones, $11.99 a month for Apple Watches, $11.99 a month for iPads. Do not lease an iPad, guys. You don't need to lease a freaking iPad. And 20, uh, 25 bucks a month for Macs. Now, the one thing that was different was that, uh, I believe Bloomberg had said that there would be no iPhone 17E in the program, but it is indeed in the program.

• 11:56Speaker 04

  Sure is.

• 11:56David Imel?

  I wanted to mention that I saw my first ever iPhone 17E in the wild yesterday.

• 12:01Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 12:02David Imel?

  Yeah. I do not know who that phone is for and who would buy it, but somebody did.

• 12:08Speaker 04

  That's fun. Yeah, I, I've had, and I know you probably spend more time in like New York City than I do, but I think on airplanes and in airports, that's when I have the most wild phone sightings of just like, "Oh, that's a different phone."

• 12:19David Imel?

  Subway's for me usually.

• 12:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, where there's just a lot of people on their phones out.

• 12:22David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  And, uh, yeah, that, I don't know that I've seen a 17E or at least recognized it.

• 12:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:29Andrew Manganelli?

  It's harder to recognize.

• 12:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:31David Imel?

  Yeah, it's, well, it's one camera, so it's easy to see that part.

• 12:33Speaker 04

  It could look like a 7, though.

• 12:35Andrew Manganelli?

  One camera plus a MagSafe wallet, that's a 17E.

• 12:38David Imel?

  Well, I mean, it's also just, I think the shape is pretty.

• 12:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Could be the 16E though, right?

• 12:43David Imel?

  Well, sure.

• 12:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, true.

• 12:45David Imel?

  Sure, any E device, I would say.

• 12:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 12:47David Imel?

  Well, not any, whatever. Okay. We know what we're talking about, 16E or 17E.

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:51David Imel?

  Separately, um, there was some speculation that, because 95 Mac found some code in the iOS 27 beta of a new restricted mode that kind of restricts the amount of things that you can do on the phone. And people were speculating that this was for the leasing program for people that missed their lease payments.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Which would have been amazing.

• 13:11David Imel?

  Wow.

• 13:12Speaker 02

  That would have been so funny.

• 13:13David Imel?

  It's such a bad fact to do, but it would have been, it would have been terrible, but it would have been so funny. Well, a lot of people reached out to Apple about this and Apple confirmed that they're not going to stop your phone from having all its functionality if you don't pay its leasing.

• 13:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Just most of it.

• 13:27David Imel?

  They'll, yeah, they'll just like show up to your house and take your phone away from you like.

• 13:30Speaker 04

  I haven't scrolled the fine print, but what does happen if you miss your payments?

• 13:34David Imel?

  Um.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  Probably just charges you the full price of whatever.

• 13:36David Imel?

  Yeah, probably just, yeah, something like that.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Which, I was gonna say, I disagree. I think you should lease the iPad only. I think that makes complete sense for students.

• 13:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Does the Mac not make sense for that?

• 13:46David Imel?

  I think a Mac makes the most sense.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  I mean, I haven't been in school in quite some time, but when I was in college, a lot of the things that I needed to do was able to be done on an iPad.

• 13:56David Imel?

  Able to be done and like, want to do or.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  Specifically, I had chemistry homework that I had to do where it kept crashing into browser on my computer, but I was able to submit on an iPad.

• 14:06Speaker 04

  That's incredibly specific.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  Very specific.

• 14:08David Imel?

  This is also like 1995.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like way back in the day.

• 14:12Speaker 04

  I, I picture a lot of people who would ordinarily have been trying to save up and decide, "Oh, can I spend $700 on an iPad and get it done? Or should I just try to spend more and get a Mac?" Now the Mac is more accessible via leasing and hey, student, students are essentially financed anyway, so.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  If I'm, if I have like a semester or two where I'm just using the iPad, I'll just lease it and then you.

• 14:34David Imel?

  For an iPad?

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Screw it. It's cheaper than buying it.

• 14:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think, I think that, I think this is a way for people who were maybe going to try to stretch for an iPad to just get the Mac. Cause it's cheaper. I mean, all, Apple's all about getting the Mac into as many hands as, I mean, all their stuff, but getting a Mac into young people's hands.

• 14:52David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:52Speaker 04

  The way the Neo is.

• 14:53David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:54Speaker 04

  I think this gets it into way more students' hands.

• 14:56David Imel?

  Adam, it's $288 for the, for 24 month, uh, lease.

• 15:02Andrew Manganelli?

  That's two years, right?

• 15:03David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 15:03Andrew Manganelli?

  $12 a month.

• 15:05David Imel?

  You can't only do it for one semester. You have to lease it for 24 or 36 months.

• 15:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, okay, so it needs to be two years.

• 15:12David Imel?

  It's $12 a month and the minimum is two years, so $288 to lease the.

• 15:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I'd rather just buy.

• 15:18David Imel?

  iPad Air.

• 15:18Speaker 02

  But if you can't, there is $12.

• 15:21David Imel?

  Uh, look, I could kind of see this for the Mac. I could kind of see this for a Mac.

• 15:25Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:25David Imel?

  But for any other device, really, just like buy a much older thing. Cause computers are expensive basically no matter what.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:32David Imel?

  So I kind of understand it for a, a laptop. But for a phone, you can buy, and you can buy a three-year-old iPhone. It's still gonna be really good, still gonna have software support for another four years. You can be that, buy that for $300 or less. The, the, the Mac, to me, is the only thing that really makes sense.

• 15:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, the 14-inch MacBook Pro, which is a very expensive computer, becomes $39 a month for the 36-month lease.

• 15:55David Imel?

  $39 a month. That's very accessible.

• 15:58Andrew Manganelli?

  The most American thing possible.

• 15:59Speaker 04

  It is.

• 16:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Don't worry, it's only.

• 16:01David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 16:02Andrew Manganelli?

  That's like when, uh, car salesmen are like, "What are you looking to get out of here at? Oh, like 25,000. No, no, no, like monthly payment."

• 16:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 16:08Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like, that doesn't seem shady at all.

• 16:10Speaker 04

  Cars, uh, living spaces is always, the, the debate is buy versus lease or rent or whatever you want to call it. So, yeah.

• 16:19David Imel?

  This is America. This is America. It's through Klarna. It's through Klarna. I, I recommend not doing this, but if you have to, I understand.

• 16:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Unless you're getting a cocktail. Klarna your cocktails.

• 16:28David Imel?

  Oh, yeah, true, true. Finally paid off my mojito.

• 16:35David Imel?

  Speaking of computers, Marquez, you've been reviewing the Framework.

• 16:38Speaker 04

  Speaking of computers, yeah. Uh, so video viewers have seen this already, but I have the Framework Laptop 13 Pro in front of me. Uh, I reviewed it. I did the video. You guys can check that out. I just figured I would highlight that it's pretty great.

• 16:51David Imel?

  I see.

• 16:52Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, you can, a lot of what people have been talking about is the new build quality and the new display, cause those are the biggest new upgrades for what this is. But Framework's been around for a while now and they are very committed to this upgradable slash modular idea. And the motherboard in this computer can be purchased for an older Framework 13, like a 2021, five-year-old Framework 13. And that will give it the faster I/O, the faster SSD speeds, faster RAM and all that stuff.

• 17:19David Imel?

  Wow.

• 17:19Speaker 04

  So they are, if you, basically my conclusion for the review is, I mean, this is still a, kind of an expensive computer.

• 17:26David Imel?

  Yeah, it's 3100.

• 17:28Speaker 04

  Up to like over $3,000.

• 17:30David Imel?

  Yeah, for the Macs.

• 17:31Speaker 04

  So my conclusion was the day that you buy it is the day that it will feel the least worth it.

• 17:37David Imel?

  Right.

• 17:37Speaker 04

  Day zero. It feels the least worth it. But the longer you have it, the more it can feel like it is worth it.

• 17:44David Imel?

  Cause you can upgrade it.

• 17:45Speaker 04

  Because you can upgrade it, so like a MacBook Pro for the same price is, is a better computer, I would say is pretty agreeable. But in two years, when the MacBook Pro is starting to get old, or maybe you wish you had more RAM, or you wanted to change from a USB-C port to an HDMI port, whatever, you can actually do that on this computer, or maybe you break part of it or spill it on part of it and you want to just replace a little piece of it. That is what makes it feel worth it. And that's why Framework exists. So this is pretty special for just that ability.

• 18:12David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:12Speaker 04

  And it's pretty solid.

• 18:13David Imel?

  I think that makes sense. Like, we talk a lot about the integrated chips on like the MacBooks. And if you decided you wanted more RAM because you wanted to like run a local LLM model or something, you just can't do that with these computers? Like, you can't upgrade them at all. They're just like.

• 18:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I keep getting a pop-up that says like, "Can?"

• 18:29David Imel?

  Oh.

• 18:30Speaker 04

  To download more RAM?

• 18:30David Imel?

  You just download more RAM? Uh, yeah, it's like the, the model you buy, and these, these are not cheap computers, especially anymore either, after Apple raised their prices. You can't just get more RAM on this thing. So it's pretty, it's pretty cool if you're able to actually just upgrade the RAM in your laptop. I think that's great.

• 18:45Andrew Manganelli?

  It feels great. Build quality is fantastic.

• 18:48David Imel?

  Feels really good.

• 18:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I actually love the like clear, uh, like bezel around it and getting to see some of the internals. Whatever the, uh, auto brightness on there is, is weird.

• 18:59David Imel?

  That is.

• 19:00Andrew Manganelli?

  It's really staggering and it's very.

• 19:02David Imel?

  You can see it adjusted.

• 19:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Not in a good way, but.

• 19:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 19:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Orange buttons.

• 19:06David Imel?

  The orange.

• 19:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Typing experience felt really nice, yeah.

• 19:08Speaker 04

  It's, it's 80% of a MacBook Pro in a lot of ways and way more modular, obviously.

• 19:14David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 19:15Speaker 04

  That's what I kept saying in the video.

• 19:16David Imel?

  And running Linux on it.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  And it's Linux, yeah. And I'm running Fire, I have Firefox today. You think you'd be happy about that?

• 19:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Look at you. We did it, boys.

• 19:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:24Andrew Manganelli?

  That's it. Never ask again.

• 19:25David Imel?

  Firefox invited me to a soccer game and I didn't go.

• 19:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 19:28David Imel?

  Hey, Firefox, who's your real pal here? Who's, who's been using you for years? Who? Hey.

• 19:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Hey.

• 19:34David Imel?

  But they're trying to court me cause I'm the browser guy, you know?

• 19:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, no, trust me. They should be courting David.

• 19:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 19:39Andrew Manganelli?

  He's the right person to court. I'm just saying. You could have just sent me an email and then if I said yes, been like, "Oh, sorry, we're, we're booked up," but.

• 19:46David Imel?

  Yeah, they're like, Andrew already got that.

• 19:48Andrew Manganelli?

  They follow me on Instagram.

• 19:49David Imel?

  What do they need to do for you? You already use it.

• 19:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 19:52David Imel?

  They don't need to gain a new user. Yeah, by the way, I have three browsers on my dock right now.

• 19:57Speaker 04

  That's insane.

• 19:57David Imel?

  Ark has been crashing a lot.

• 19:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Never saw that coming.

• 20:00Speaker 04

  No way.

• 20:01Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 20:01Speaker 04

  Hey, on the Golden Gate.

• 20:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Not sunsetting.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  On the Golden Gate beta. Okay, DIA is getting close to ARK. Like, they are just kind of turning DIA into ARK. Like, they're adding almost all the same features.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  It's like Color OS versus, uh...

• 20:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Versus Oculus?

• 20:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. I need them to speed that up.

• 20:17Andrew Manganelli?

  But it's so funny, it's like, hey, your new product is almost as good as your old product that you killed.

• 20:23Speaker 04

  Dude, don't even... Yeah, don't get me started.

• 20:26Andrew Manganelli?

  The dumbest company alive.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's... There's still some things that ARK does way better that they haven't added yet. Like, they have tabs that are pinned tabs, but they're not in your, like, little tab group bar at the top. They don't have that in DIA. There's just... Yeah, there's things that they need to upgrade. But I've been trying some other browsers. Helium browser is actually pretty good. It's sort of an ARK clone. Uh, the developer is very active and very, like, they're all over the internet. You can talk to them. Um, and it looks really similar to ARK, but it does a few things a little bit differently. It still doesn't have, like, tab pinning separate from the, like, pinned taskbar thing at the top, and you can't change the size of it.

• 21:06Speaker 04

  And it's funny how many small things annoy me about being 90% what ARK does, but not quite there in every browser. And I keep going back to making ARK my default, and then it keeps crashing over and over again. It just crashes.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  That's a bummer.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  So...

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Just use Chrome. You have a ton of RAM.

• 21:25Speaker 04

  Bro, no.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  Why not use it?

• 21:26Speaker 04

  I do not have that much RAM. And Chrome would take it all. Um, yeah, so Helium's getting there. I'm having a good time. It's very funny when I tweet about browsers now. People, like, I swear to God, there are, like, 25 different browser projects that everyone's like, "Just use this, just use this." It's like, just use WhatsApp, except that there were 25 messaging apps that everybody used.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  Which is like, great. It's annoying, but it's kind of nice. It's kind of nice that there's a bunch of... It's actually...

• 21:51Speaker 04

  It's cool. I like it.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  A bunch of competing...

• 21:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  Viable, like, all pushing to make each other better, adding interesting features here and there. Like, it's kind of interesting.

• 21:59Speaker 04

  It's interesting.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:00Speaker 04

  I'm liking it, so...

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Marques, I had a question for you about using this laptop.

• 22:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  It's running Ubuntu, right?

• 22:05Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  Did you...

• 22:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that how you pronounce it?

• 22:07Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 22:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh. I'm just actually...

• 22:09Speaker 04

  It's pronounced Ubuntu. Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Ubuntu. Um, when it came in the box, did it already have it installed?

• 22:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, so this is a pre-built. So you can choose between a DIY version of the framework or a pre-built version. So this is one of the pre-built configurations you can buy, and you can choose Linux out the box, and it came with that installed, yeah.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  So you can put any other Linux distro on this as well?

• 22:32Speaker 04

  You can.

• 22:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  That's what I wanted to know.

• 22:34Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 22:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. Or Windows if you really want.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  Oh, cool.

• 22:36Speaker 04

  No. Yeah. I guess if you want to play games.

• 22:39Speaker 02

  It's pronounced Ubuntu.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Well, we knew that.

• 22:42Andrew Manganelli?

  I didn't.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  Isn't that what I said?

• 22:44Speaker 04

  I think I said Ubuntu in the video?

• 22:47Speaker 02

  Abana.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  I was... I was... It's one of those words that I don't say out loud very often. I've typed it many times, but Ubuntu...

• 22:52Speaker 02

  Same.

• 22:53Andrew Manganelli?

  It's one of those words that I'm like, I don't think I've ever said it out loud, and now I'm too scared to.

• 22:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, well, I gotta live by it now. Ubuntu. Yeah.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 23:01Speaker 04

  The framework parts that you can buy individually are dope.

• 23:04Andrew Manganelli?

  The clear orange is so good.

• 23:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's a lot of people talking about this bezel, like, oh, they don't like the clear bezel. You can just get a black bezel. You can also get a different colored bezel if you want, so, yeah.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, this thing looks sick, and the fact that it runs Linux makes it actually a viable option.

• 23:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's nice.

• 23:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I saw something really quick, that Volvo is discontinuing LiDAR sensors on their cars. This seems to be because they're discontinuing their relationship with Luminar Technologies, the company that makes them. It's a little confusing because it's... They're claiming the company's products are, uh... That there's a... They're trying to limit the supply chain risk exposure as a direct result of Luminar's failure to meet its contractual obligations. So I can't tell how much of this is, like, Luminar is having some issues, therefore their supplier of LiDAR, therefore, let's just ditch it altogether, which feels like kind of a cop-out from Volvo in itself. Um, but they're claiming that the company's product can deliver a high level of safety and driver support enabled by the car's powerful core computer coupled with their advanced sensor set with or without a LiDAR,

• 24:05Andrew Manganelli?

  which, I don't know, I hate this. Let's keep taking LiDAR out of... Let's keep taking more sensors to make people safe out of cars, but, um...

• 24:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, the statement is kind of like a, "Well, we couldn't get LiDAR in there, but we're gonna try to keep making our self-driving software good."

• 24:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, but also... So then the kind of funny part is they're looking to compensate customers who already purchased the car with the LiDAR in it, because there still are some... Sorry, this is for the EX90 and ES90, the ones with those, like...

• 24:36Speaker 04

  Little box on the top.

• 24:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, almost looks like a hood scoop on the top for the LiDAR system. Um, they're saying that the LiDAR unit is approximately $1,500 to the MSRP price, and they're... Sorry, these are their three options. Instead of just, "Here's $1,500 back." You can either have a complimentary three-year subscription to SiriusXM and a 500 credit towards Volvo Cars app. The fact that they keep using complimentary is hilarious because you've paid the money already.

• 25:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:02Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think this is complimentary. Um, two-year complimentary Volvo Protection Plan or a two-year 24,000-mile complimentary Volvo Car Select Package that covers some of the replacement parts, like brakes, windshield wipers. Like, typical... Yeah.

• 25:17Speaker 04

  It's a meal voucher for an airline missing your flight.

• 25:19Andrew Manganelli?

  This is a pretty rough meal voucher, yeah, yeah. Um, so that sucks. And I hate that we're taking more safety measures out of cars.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  Wait, is it $500 credit to the Volvo Cars app?

• 25:32Speaker 04

  I don't know what's in there.

• 25:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, no, no, it's three-year subscription to SiriusXM and the 500. That's in the same one.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  Sure, but, uh, what?

• 25:39Speaker 04

  What's a Volvo Cars app?

• 25:40Andrew Manganelli?

  My guess is Volvo Cars app is, like, the thing that lets you remote... Like, right now...

• 25:45Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I get it. So like, what do you spend money on in there?

• 25:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, yeah, yeah, so, like, my Subaru right now has an app, and it's essentially a subscription service for doing remote start.

• 25:55Speaker 04

  Gotcha.

• 25:56Andrew Manganelli?

  A couple different...

• 25:57Speaker 02

  You're kidding.

• 25:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Yep.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  It's a subscription service?

• 25:58Andrew Manganelli?

  It's the worst. You usually get them for free for, like, a couple of years, and then you have to pay the subscription. And it's great because they hook you on that, and you've heated your car up. Especially with kids now, heating and cooling the car is so important that I pay a stupid amount of money, which is, in that sense, any amount of money is stupid.

• 26:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Because it's all there. It's literally just... The app is horrible. All it can do is be like, turn the heat on, turn the air on, honk the lights, or like, unlock the doors. But yeah, stupid. So my guess is $500 towards some stupid stuff like that.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  Towards the subscription.

• 26:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, towards whatever the subscription would be.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  Wow. That is crazy.

• 26:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Capitalism!

• 26:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, stupid!

• 26:40Speaker 04

  We just got finished talking about how Apple's gonna let you rent essentially your devices. Yeah. It's a theme.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  It's a theme.

• 26:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Do we think these cars are gonna get marked down? Or are they just going to come with the...

• 26:53Speaker 04

  They might get marked down by...

• 26:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Here's SiriusXM.

• 26:55Speaker 04

  A thousand dollars.

• 26:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Everyone's dying for SiriusXM, by the way.

• 26:59Speaker 04

  SiriusXM is one of those things I've literally never used in my life, but every single car reviewer always seems to mention... Not even the reviewers. Every car company always seems to mention that, "Oh, and this car has SiriusXM." As if... It's like, and this is maybe I should care more, but it's like Dolby Atmos. When I hear a speaker system in a laptop or a phone has Dolby Atmos, I literally do not care.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  Doesn't mean anything.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  It doesn't mean a single thing to me. This framework laptop has Dolby Atmos. These speakers suck.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  So I'm not... I don't care that it has SiriusXM. They always talk about it, it always gets thrown in like it's a very important thing, but I don't care. But it's a subscription, so...

• 27:34Andrew Manganelli?

  SiriusXM is more annoying because so many cars they're in, they put it as like the default media thing when you turn your car on, and then when you don't pay for it, it's just like, "SiriusXM." You're blah, blah, blah. It's just like an ad that runs on your car if you leave it at that.

• 27:48Speaker 04

  It's... I'm never using it.

• 27:49Andrew Manganelli?

  It's awful.

• 27:50Speaker 04

  Anyway. Yeah. Yeah, so maybe they'll make it 1,500 bucks less for the car. Who knows? They're still gonna try to make all their stuff work.

• 27:57Andrew Manganelli?

  No shot. Same price.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  That's crazy. By the way, the EX90 is still a great car. I just... If you... It's one of those, like, undelivered promise things where if you pay it extra to have all this software work and it still doesn't, that's the bummer. But the rest of the car is pretty good.

• 28:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that's why I'm even more mad about it. It's like, I kinda... Like, I'm thinking of an R2 eventually, but the Volvos were kind of sick.

• 28:18Speaker 04

  It's pretty nice. Speakers are included.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  But you didn't... I thought you ordered an R2.

• 28:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you have Dolby Atmos? I have a reservation for it. I think it comes in in January, but I probably won't buy it. And I'll probably run my Forester under the ground first and then...

• 28:29Speaker 04

  Is the EX90 Dolby Atmos? I have no idea.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  I think it is.

• 28:33Speaker 04

  But the speakers in that car are excellent.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  They... I'm almost positive it is, just because there was...

• 28:39Speaker 04

  Might as well be.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  I went to a specific... Some Volvo had Dolby Atmos, and I feel like it has to be that one.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  I'm on the Volvo app website. Um, one of the features that they list very proudly just says, "Google Maps."

• 28:53Andrew Manganelli?

  That's actually why I've... Actually, now that I think about it, that's why, like, Volvo has Android Automotive. So it has, like, Android Automotive as its default system, which I think is actually a huge selling point, because Rivian, you can't use Android Automotive.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  But when you click on "Learn More," it explains, "Use Google Maps built-in instead of on your car's center display." Meaning, use it on your phone, but inside the Volvo app instead of the Google Maps app.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  It's, yeah, it's like kind of how you can...

• 29:20Andrew Manganelli?

  What?

• 29:21Speaker 04

  Like, in the Tesla app, you can send a destination to the car's GPS.

• 29:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Hmm.

• 29:26Speaker 04

  I don't know why you wouldn't want to just type it in in the car, but allegedly, you can sometimes put in a destination before getting into the car so that when you get into the car, it's already telling you where to go.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  Right, right, right. I would take $500 worth of that, you know?

• 29:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, it's a thing some people do.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  Random question.

• 29:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  The Slate Truck, does it have, uh, these, like, software things, like Remote Start? Have they mentioned any of this?

• 29:52Speaker 04

  When you started with, "Does it have?", I was just gonna say... I was just gonna say no, right from the start. Um, does it have Remote Start? I don't think so.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  Or like, turn on AC or something.

• 30:02Speaker 04

  So I didn't get told about any sort of app for the Slate Truck.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  That's what I was wondering.

• 30:06Speaker 04

  So I imagine there is no remote connectivity for it. I would be surprised if there is much more than any sort of basic, like, heat it up, turn it on type thing.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 30:15Andrew Manganelli?

  And the Slate Truck would be fine charging for it because their entire premise is anything extra is paid for it.

• 30:21Speaker 04

  Right.

• 30:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I hate these cars that are like, "This is just... It's here already. We have the app. You even get it for free. Now pay me." Especially when mine went dark in, like, January. It was like zero degrees outside, and it's like, "I know you want to warm that car up."

• 30:37Speaker 04

  That's... That's crazy. That is...

• 30:41Andrew Manganelli?

  That was just because of when I bought the car was in January, so it happened to be three years, but it was very...

• 30:46Speaker 04

  Unbelievably anti-consumer, I hate that.

• 30:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:48Speaker 04

  Okay, someone needs to tell me about this PlayStation blackout situation.

• 30:51Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll go pretty quick on this.

• 30:52Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 30:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Remember, we talked about Sony killing all physical game discs?

• 30:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:55Andrew Manganelli?

  So there's a little protest planned out for people to go dark, essentially, on PlayStation to protest this. They're saying, "Do not log in, play games, or make any purchases from August 23rd to August 30th" to help get the point across. The pessimist in me is like, "I'm so happy everyone is doing this, and this is terrible." But Sony, if Sony made this decision already, I unfortunately don't think they're gonna change it.

• 31:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:23Andrew Manganelli?

  At all.

• 31:23Speaker 04

  This doesn't...

• 31:24Speaker 02

  I don't...

• 31:25Andrew Manganelli?

  It's...

• 31:25Speaker 02

  Listen, if you don't give them money...

• 31:27David Imel?

  They'll hear.

• 31:28Speaker 04

  For one week.

• 31:29David Imel?

  Tried.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  And then we'll start giving them money again.

• 31:30David Imel?

  You know how much money they'll lose in a week?

• 31:33Speaker 04

  You know much money they'll make back the next week when you go buy a bunch of stuff?

• 31:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I think, I think if they lost all of their money in a week, they would probably be making it back on the margins of not printing all the games, discs that they're going to.

• 31:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:45Speaker 02

  I don't think it's that expensive.

• 31:46Speaker 04

  I agree with, I agree with Hit 'Em Where It Hurts in a wallet, but, um, and obviously making a statement with a whole bunch of people joining us is, is a good idea and makes a statement to the company who has for sure heard the message by now.

• 31:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:59Speaker 04

  Um, but yeah, I agree. I don't think it's gonna.

• 32:01David Imel?

  How much money do they even make in a week? Can't be that much.

• 32:04Andrew Manganelli?

  From buying games on the PlayStation Store?

• 32:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, but.

• 32:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Each game is like 80 bucks now.

• 32:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, I'm sure it's a lot.

• 32:12David Imel?

  They're gonna buy the game, they're just deferring. They're gonna buy the game anyway.

• 32:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Exactly. Maybe people will forget.

• 32:17Speaker 04

  They'll, or they'll have 51 weeks of revenue this year instead of 52.

• 32:21David Imel?

  Yeah. No, I think what's gonna happen is that one week will go down by 1% and the next week will go up by 2%.

• 32:26Speaker 04

  Exactly. Yeah.

• 32:27Andrew Manganelli?

  And so, I, I, I mean, I can't, I mean, or I should say, I am doing it because I don't own a PlayStation.

• 32:33David Imel?

  Yeah, I will, I will participate in this blackout. So am I.

• 32:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I do think if you feel really strongly about this, you should do it. I think unfortunately there's also gonna be so many other people that are never going to see this, that are just kids playing PlayStation and buying V bucks and never see it.

• 32:49David Imel?

  It should be August 23rd to September 23rd. Make it a month and then they'll listen.

• 32:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Dude, I, the reason I also brought this up is because we also then just had an Xbox outage where like for a, a whole day, I think, there were tons of users who were not able to log in, see their game library, or play any games in their game library.

• 33:06David Imel?

  Oh boy.

• 33:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is just more proof that this digital age of all of this is like, you don't really own these games. They can kind of do whatever with it.

• 33:14David Imel?

  I've also, like, I've seen a lot of people in, like, Africa who are like, our internet is so bad, but I have game discs and I am able to play games. My internet's terrible. And so, you know, if, if everything is like online only, come on.

• 33:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 33:29David Imel?

  It's just terrible. It's just terrible.

• 33:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Or there, there are other countries, and I'm sure there's even some scenarios in our country where the way you purchase internet is bandwidth based.

• 33:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 33:39Andrew Manganelli?

  So like downloading the game could kill your bandwidth for like a month. I remember people used to send us videos of being like, I love waveform, I love MKB HD, but I watch everything in 480p because I only have so much bandwidth for the month. That's the only way I can watch this stuff. Um, so.

• 33:55David Imel?

  Metered stuff is crazy.

• 33:57Andrew Manganelli?

  I also brought it up because I recently discovered this YouTube channel about, it's called Retro Jake's Video Games, and it's just a store that like buys, sells and trades old video games. And it's so much fun to watch people get like super amped because they found like Simpsons wrestling on the PlayStation. And like seeing all these people trading in and like buying old games for their childhood, or parents buying kids their Nintendo Wii because they never got to experience Wii Sports is like.

• 34:25David Imel?

  Wii Sport. Everyone should experience Wii Sports.

• 34:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, like watching that in the sense of like, wow, every game from now until whatever my grandkids will never play because there will be

• 34:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 34:36Andrew Manganelli?

  zero evidence of the game ever existing.

• 34:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 34:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Sucks.

• 34:40David Imel?

  I was only able to convince my mom to allow me to use my own money to purchase a Wii because Wii Fit came out. And I told her that it would make me exercise. It did not make me exercise.

• 34:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Mom, I'm gonna get buffed.

• 34:52David Imel?

  I just played, I just played Wii Music. And on Wii Music, you literally just hit the buttons a couple of times and you're playing clarinet. It's not, I mean, the cool thing was if you use the Wii Fit, uh, like pad thing, you could play, you could play the drum kit.

• 35:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, that is pretty awesome.

• 35:09David Imel?

  Because you could use both sides as like the kick drum and the, and the hi hat.

• 35:12Speaker 04

  That's pretty sick.

• 35:12David Imel?

  It was actually pretty sick. Yeah, I liked it.

• 35:15Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm imagining the like.

• 35:16David Imel?

  The Wii was legendary. So legendary.

• 35:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:19David Imel?

  Yeah. After my grandpa died, I just played, um, what was it? Zelda, um,

• 35:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Twilight Princess.

• 35:26David Imel?

  Twilight Princess. All, cause he knows, he knows, he knows my age. It had just come out and literally for like a week and a half when I was staying with my grandma, I just played the entire game like all day, every day. And it allowed me to zone out. It was the best thing ever. It was great.

• 35:41Speaker 04

  I had a friend with a Wii. I didn't have any video games growing up, but we'd go over to his house and be like, oh, we're gonna go like play basketball or whatever. And then we would just go play like Wii, Wii Golf and Wii Bowling. Like all the other games. Cause it was too much fun.

• 35:54David Imel?

  Instead of basketball.

• 35:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. Sorry, mom.

• 35:56David Imel?

  Sorry, mom.

• 35:57Andrew Manganelli?

  And split screen.

• 35:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was great.

• 35:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Split screen.

• 35:59David Imel?

  Split screen Halo at my friend's house.

• 36:01Andrew Manganelli?

  GoldenEye or.

• 36:02David Imel?

  Halo 2.

• 36:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Halo. We played so much Halo. I used to bring my TV to my friend's house and we would have multiple people bring TVs and we'd all be in different rooms. So you couldn't screen peek.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  Wait, like, like?

• 36:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, yes, I kid you not. Like I would be holding both of them and I'd just be like, my mom would drop me off. I'd be like, knock, knock, knock at my friend's door. And I'd just walk in with this like TV and my Xbox and set it up in a room and we would play Halo all day.

• 36:28David Imel?

  Now you just log into a cloud server. Old.

• 36:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, kids' days of.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  Now you just get told that you can't log into a game. It's a black.

• 36:35David Imel?

  Sorry. Yeah, I saw this meme where it was like 10 years of, of games, like growing up as a kid. And it was like, it was like Ocarina of Time. And then it was, and then it was this game. And then it was this game, totally different games, like Final Fantasy and all this stuff. And then it was like 10 years of games now. And it's just Fortnite, Fortnite, Fortnite, just in a row. And I was like, oh my God.

• 36:53Speaker 04

  Until November where GTA 6 comes out.

• 36:56David Imel?

  Allegedly. Allegedly. All right. I think we need to take it to trivia and then our scheduled ad break.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  Guys, what came first?

• 37:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Sharks.

• 37:12Speaker 04

  76ers.

• 37:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Before trees.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Me.

• 37:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  You guys really do listen.

• 37:18Speaker 04

  Sharks came before fire.

• 37:20David Imel?

  That's not that.

• 37:21Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 37:22David Imel?

  Do you know that?

• 37:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, like people making fire?

• 37:25Speaker 04

  I learned this on Reddit, so asterisk, asterisk, but it was like, what are some facts that are real but seem not true?

• 37:32David Imel?

  Stars exist.

• 37:33Speaker 04

  Sharks have been, sharks have been in the oceans since before there was enough oxygen in the atmosphere for actual fire.

• 37:38David Imel?

  Oh, really?

• 37:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's just what I read. It might not be true. Anyway.

• 37:42David Imel?

  Hmm.

• 37:43Speaker 04

  Continue, Ellis.

• 37:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll take it.

• 37:45David Imel?

  What about alligators?

• 37:47Speaker 04

  Uh, they're also pretty old, yeah.

• 37:48David Imel?

  I feel like they look more like dinosaurs than sharks do.

• 37:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, birds are.

• 37:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I vote no.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Guys, I gotta write you a trivia question. You've already said all the answers.

• 37:57Speaker 04

  No.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  What came first? The PlayStation 2's online service or Xbox Live?

• 38:06David Imel?

  PlayStation 2 had an online service?

• 38:08Speaker 02

  It did.

• 38:09David Imel?

  That's crazy.

• 38:10Speaker 02

  And you know what? I will give you one point. Hmm. This might put too many points on the table. And people said they don't like that.

• 38:17David Imel?

  It's the very beginning of the season.

• 38:19Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think they mind one point. I think it was when I got like 78 points.

• 38:22Speaker 02

  Well, there are six titles that shipped at launch with online capabilities with the PlayStation 2. And if you can name any of them, I'll give you a point.

• 38:32Speaker 04

  With all shipped with all.

• 38:33David Imel?

  Like I said, I didn't grow up with video games. So this one's on you guys. Yeah. I want to shout out really quickly too, though, that half of our normal viewers watched the Trivia Extravaganza, which is actually pretty good. We got like.

• 38:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, for a bonus episode.

• 38:46David Imel?

  It currently has 115,000.

• 38:47Andrew Manganelli?

  It's chaotic. You should go watch it. Actually, the game we're playing later is a game we played on that. So if you like the game at the end of this episode.

• 38:54David Imel?

  Then you could.

• 38:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Go watch trivia because we do more of it.

• 38:56Speaker 04

  Nice. Good call up.

• 38:57David Imel?

  All right.

• 38:58Speaker 04

  We'll take a quick break. Answers for trivia will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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• 40:30David Imel?

  All right, welcome back to Waveform episode 365. We're the better 365 over Microsoft 365. We're your hosts.

• 40:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, it is 365.

• 40:39Speaker 04

  I'm free trial.

• 40:40David Imel?

  You're the free trial?

• 40:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 40:42David Imel?

  I'm the security key that you could find easily online.

• 40:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm the one week of AOL on a CD that you got in the world.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Yo, I'm Edge.

• 40:52David Imel?

  The Edge, like the wrestler. All right.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  No, he's the guitar player in U2.

• 40:57David Imel?

  Oh.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Does sound like a wrestler.

• 40:59David Imel?

  Does sound like a wrestler. Okay, we're talking about a robot cleaning service, Andrew. What the hell is going on there?

• 41:04Speaker 04

  Okay, I can show you. So every once in a while, I go on Twitter and just scroll for a little bit. And so I don't know if you remember this, a couple of months ago, maybe it was a couple of years ago, I did a video about that Neo robot. Remember that Neo robot?

• 41:20David Imel?

  That was like eight months ago.

• 41:21Speaker 04

  This was gonna be a humanoid, five foot six robot that can go into your home and perform tasks and clean stuff for you.

• 41:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:28Speaker 04

  And I made a video about how they have to advertise it and try to get people to buy it as if it's real and exists and can do that now. But it clearly cannot do that because it doesn't have any of the data and the training to go in and clean your house and do this stuff. So they have this weird, like, crossroads that they're at where they need to convince people to be early adopters so that they can get a bunch of training data so that they get more people to buy it so then it can actually do what it's advertised.

• 41:53David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  Okay, so I'm on Twitter and I scroll and I see there's this tweet of a robot. And it says, "Today, we're launching Tao's humanoid cleaning service in San Francisco for 30 bucks an hour. Access is initially invite only as we scale operations. If you don't have an invite yet, join it out the waitlist here. All footage is shown at 1x speed. Each humanoid is jointly controlled by a human operator and AI." And then there's a video of a little humanoid-shaped robot getting out of the backseat of a minivan and walking away with a cleaning bag as if he's going to go do some job somewhere.

• 42:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I describe? I thought carefully how to describe it for our...

• 42:31David Imel?

  Please describe this little humanoid robot.

• 42:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, this is a four and a half foot drunk man in the baggiest clothes possible, claws for hands, and its head can only resemble that of a router and frog hybrid. Also, the cleaning supply bag that it picks up only has one microfiber cloth hanging off the side pouch. Nothing else is in that bag that it's taking.

• 42:52David Imel?

  It's wearing shoes.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  It's wearing my shoes.

• 42:55Andrew Manganelli?

  It's wearing my New Balance.

• 42:56David Imel?

  It's wearing a jacket. Okay.

• 42:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, I have one more question about this. Sorry. It's getting out of a minivan, which is kind of impressive. It's supposed to be like it got chopped off, right?

• 43:05Speaker 04

  Classic cleaning service, yeah.

• 43:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Does it have to wear a seatbelt?

• 43:07Speaker 04

  Um, does it have to legally? No.

• 43:12David Imel?

  Cause it's a thing.

• 43:12Andrew Manganelli?

  So this is the thing. I think as it not being a person, it doesn't have to, but therefore still turns into an extreme safety hazard in a crash because it's not secured. But then also, if it has its seatbelt on, zero chance Claw Hands is getting out of the seatbelt.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, that's true.

• 43:28David Imel?

  Big Claw Hands.

• 43:29Andrew Manganelli?

  So huge red flag off the first video.

• 43:31Speaker 04

  So yeah, so the idea it turns out, and David, I know you haven't seen this yet, so I'd love for you to click the website.

• 43:36David Imel?

  Oh, no.

• 43:37Speaker 04

  The idea is that this is a cleaning service offered at a discounted rate so that they can literally just start gathering training data.

• 43:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 43:46Speaker 04

  They are four people who are totally cool with all these robots being fully remote operated right from the beginning. And you are agreeing to have a person go into your home through this robot and just clean stuff for you and do services for you. So if you scroll down on this website a little bit, what you will see is videos of this little freaky humanoid robot doing chores in a kind of a smoothish-looking manner, sometimes.

• 44:10David Imel?

  It's like me after leg day, basically.

• 44:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's kind of shaking a little bit.

• 44:14Andrew Manganelli?

  It's 24 frames per second.

• 44:15Speaker 04

  But we are all now under the complete understanding that this is a person remote operating this. And they are gonna wipe down counters and clean up and vacuum and empty the trash and move stuff from off the middle of the floor to clean your house. And you'll pay for it and it'll be cheaper than a person would be because you are letting someone in your house get that training data for the robot for its sweet, sweet data.

• 44:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 44:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it also is, it's watching it do all of its chores is, it looks insanely focused because you can tell whoever is teleoperating, this is having a very hard time trying to see what's going on and control it. So it's like wiping the table and its head is just cocked down like perfect 90 degrees.

• 44:58David Imel?

  Locked in.

• 44:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Locked in, just wiping like three feet.

• 45:01David Imel?

  Trying to spray the spray bottle really, really bad.

• 45:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Spray bottle's my favorite video.

• 45:04David Imel?

  Yeah, it's so slow.

• 45:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Can you describe the scene?

• 45:06David Imel?

  So there's a four and a half foot man in a costume with a router, Netgear router as his head. And he's pinching this like spray bottle with the, with his right claw. And he, at the bottom, and he's tilting it. And the left claw is trying really, really hard to spray it and he's kind of shaking a little bit. And he finally gets a couple of spritzes off.

• 45:30Andrew Manganelli?

  On a counter that is filled with junk. There's like hot lids, milk cartons, there's a porta filter, there's like a blender.

• 45:37David Imel?

  There's milk for some reason.

• 45:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Spraying it on like all of the stuff.

• 45:40David Imel?

  That's true. Just spraying it on the porta filter, which you wouldn't want to have in your coffee. But that's interesting. Um, yeah, this is not that different from the Neo thing because the Neo thing also, they were like, we are having...

• 45:54Speaker 04

  Watching the video.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  They would be so mad if you... Well, the last Neo announcement was like, "We've invented the most advanced Cybertronic hand ever invented with 10 million moving parts and a pulley system." And then this little guy's like...

• 46:09Speaker 04

  Well, I'm just saying it's the same thing where like they had people that were teleoperating these things with like VR headsets. And they're basically doing it at a discounted rate in order to train the AI what it is like to clean a house.

• 46:24David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 46:24Speaker 04

  Uh, and it's, it seems the same.

• 46:26Andrew Manganelli?

  If I'm giving Tao credit, they're very upfront with the fact that it's teleoperated and this is training. And so like, I will give them full credit there. Neo is, they said it, but they were not upfront about it. This is like, the CEO's tweet in the tweet says, "Teleoperated." These are people.

• 46:43David Imel?

  So there are apparently three different cleaner robots with different colored heads that are specialized at different tasks. There's Chelsea.

• 46:52Speaker 04

  Just for the record, makes no sense.

• 46:54David Imel?

  Well, I think that they're going off like the agent model where they train it to do very specific things with very specific tasks.

• 47:01Speaker 04

  Can be loaded onto the robot.

• 47:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:05Speaker 04

  And the robots are all the same.

• 47:06David Imel?

  Yeah, they should all be able to do everything unless they have like different claws or something. Anyway, there's Chelsea, there's Elon, which has got to be tongue in cheek, and there's Tony. Um, yeah, this is weird, I gotta say.

• 47:22Andrew Manganelli?

  They have like specialties. Chelsea does sinks, counters, mirrors, and tile. Elon can remember where your things belong and put them back rather than tidying them into a pile. Don't know what that means. And Tony deep cleans grout, baseboard, windows. I guess Tony's better at getting down low. I don't know.

• 47:42David Imel?

  I mean, they're all four and a half feet tall.

• 47:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, they're all pretty low.

• 47:45David Imel?

  Yeah. What about putting my stuff away in the higher cabinets? They're all too short for that.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is so, okay, the one thing that keeps coming back to me is this video of it trying to do the spray bottle, right?

• 47:55David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 47:56Speaker 04

  Okay, so the idea, this is funny because it's kind of backwards from what you'd expect. The Neo, as you described, Ellis, has these really advanced, like it has fingers because it's trying to be a human hand because the idea of a humanoid robot is we've built the world around a human shape. So if you can make a humanoid robot, it can do all the things a human can do. So a spray bottle, you have to have like fingers that are like dexterous enough to like grab the bottle by the neck, but then also the trigger to like point it and spray. But this robot just has claws.

• 48:29David Imel?

  Claws.

• 48:29Speaker 04

  Just claws. So it can't do the like dexterous like grab and spray and point thing. So it has to hold the bottle with one claw and like squeeze it with the other claw and aim it by tilting it, which is, it's like, why are you trying to make it human-shaped at all? Just make it good at all the cleaning stuff and forget the human-shaped.

• 48:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Why doesn't it just have a hose that runs down its arm and cleaning solution backpack?

• 48:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. Like, why is it, okay, that's what you would get from a cleaning service.

• 48:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think the Neo hands could, if you think about squeezing a spray bottle with one hand, like, that's an easy task to us humans. But like, I think that would be really hard to be like pinching it with enough pressure so that it's not spraying, aiming it, and then squeezing it. And like, I don't think Neo could pull that off.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  I was being generous with the Neo. I think it's just like the idea is it's trying to be as human as possible so that it can eventually be good enough to do the human stuff. This one, it physically does not have human hands, and I guess it's a little more rudimentary of a robot. So it's like, if you're not, the only thing human about it is that it's bipedal and standing upright. It's like balancing, shaking on two legs, trying to spray the counter. Just make a robot that's five feet tall with a hose on it that just sprays the counter. But, you know, this is not about that. This is about being human-shaped. So here we are.

• 49:43David Imel?

  Well, this is like the 12th robot like this that we've seen in the last year. And I don't know if any of them are gonna come to fruition. However, I'm not sure any of them can come to fruition now because just last night, the US government has banned robots made outside of the US, including robot vacuums. Any robots that are over 4.4 pounds, for robot vacuums, it includes their charger. So that's funny. So a lot of those chargers will probably make it over 4.4 pounds. Yeah, so they issued a new ban on advanced robotic devices and power inverters from foreign countries. Uh, the ban will include humanoid and quadruped robots as well as robot vacuums.

• 50:23David Imel?

  They define this type of robot as a machine that is capable of locomotion, obstacle avoidance, navigation, or movement on the ground. Comes with a sensor that perceives the surrounding environment and has a chip for network connectivity. It must also weigh more than 4.4 pounds, including the docking station if it has one.

• 50:39Speaker 04

  Basically everyone.

• 50:40David Imel?

  Every single robot that we've seen in the last year now apparently needs to be made in the United States. None of that will happen.

• 50:47Speaker 04

  This seems, uh, I don't know, pretty ham-fisted. Do you think this is just the current administration doing this type of stuff? Or is this like a larger concern?

• 50:54David Imel?

  Yeah, most of it with the drones, with the...

• 50:57Speaker 04

  With, yeah, DJI. Like, we talked about the drones before. So they banned a bunch of Chinese companies making drones, including the most popular ones like DJI. And then they would spin off.

• 51:08David Imel?

  I was gonna say, we didn't even talk about that, but DJI spun up a bunch of fake companies to try to like, like hide in the US and they banned those as well, so.

• 51:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, so now they're adding all these robots and robot vacuums to that list.

• 51:21David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Cool, yeah, so now we have to only get the American-made, is Dyson? They're Swedish, right? I don't think like we have any American-made ones here.

• 51:28David Imel?

  We probably not. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, my, my, my like AC is American air, but I'm pretty sure it's not made in America.

• 51:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Hoover? Is that still a thing?

• 51:40David Imel?

  Hoover? I don't know.

• 51:40Speaker 04

  Is Hoover American?

• 51:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Orec.

• 51:43David Imel?

  Yeah. In the US ban documentation, they did mention, do you remember when we talked about that DJI robot vacuum that was super easily hacked? And people were able to like, see the 3D maps of everyone's homes that the robot vacuum created?

• 52:02Speaker 04

  That would be the concern, yeah.

• 52:03David Imel?

  Yeah. So, The Verge had put out an article about how simple that was to hack and how like, the data you could collect on it. They specifically mentioned this in the ban document for this reason.

• 52:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Alright. I guess it's fair. I mean, that's a good example of why this is bad.

• 52:20David Imel?

  But it is crazy how much money robot vacuum companies spend on US tech YouTubers as sponsors.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:27David Imel?

  And I feel like all of these are just going to vanish now.

• 52:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's many, many, many companies who do very, very similar products.

• 52:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 52:36Speaker 04

  They all are like, you've probably seen, like, if you're picturing a, what's the most common one?

• 52:41David Imel?

  RoboRock or?

• 52:42Speaker 04

  Irobot.

• 52:43David Imel?

  Irobot.

• 52:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Roomba.

• 52:44Speaker 04

  Roomba, yeah. When I say the word Roomba, you're picturing a shape of a robot vacuum in your head that is made by 25 different companies who all have advertised on your YouTube page at some point. So, all of them not being from the US means that probably won't happen.

• 53:00David Imel?

  It's very similar to the just router ban of all routers made outside of the US, which was all of them. And so then they had to give like, permission to like, ASRock and a couple of other random router companies. I imagine that's what's gonna happen here, where they will give exemptions to very, very popular robotic vacuum companies. But, as to what it does to all of these humanoid robots, I feel like...

• 53:23Speaker 04

  These are all American companies, though, that I'm seeing.

• 53:24David Imel?

  Yeah, but they have to be made in the United States. They can't be assembled outside the US.

• 53:29Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 53:30David Imel?

  So, they might be able to do some weird workaround where the parts are just shipped to the US and then they're assembled there, but I also don't see that scaling. Who knows? I think that a lot of these companies will probably just keep trudging on because none of these humanoid robots are going to be ready within the next two years, and this administration is only lasting another couple of years, so, you know, they'll be able to do things later, probably.

• 53:52Andrew Manganelli?

  The docking station thing is weird. My first thought would be like, well, if you sell it without the docking station?

• 53:57David Imel?

  That's true. They could sell it without the docking station.

• 54:00Andrew Manganelli?

  But then if it needs the docking station, yeah, I don't know.

• 54:03David Imel?

  They could sell it separately as like a bundle deal.

• 54:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, no, but it...

• 54:05David Imel?

  Maybe.

• 54:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, you still need it because that's where it empties the vacuuming stuff.

• 54:10Speaker 04

  Depends on the robots. Some of them do that, some of them don't.

• 54:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 54:13Speaker 04

  Some have like a super, super basic dock that's like, pretty light, because it doesn't do anything. It's just like...

• 54:18David Imel?

  Just like a inductive charger kind of situation.

• 54:20Speaker 04

  Basically, yeah.

• 54:21David Imel?

  Interesting. Well, we'll see what happens with that. That just happened last night, so I'm sure that we'll get some, um, some press releases from these companies.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  If anybody in San Francisco actually pays for this cleaning service, please send me videos of it crashing around, like, doing things in your house. I would love to see this.

• 54:35David Imel?

  I will say, I am surprised at how well this robot seems to be walking around and stuff when it jumps out of the van.

• 54:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's the most impressive video. Is it getting out of the seat, jumping out of the van, and walking out looking like an actual four-foot human?

• 54:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 54:50Speaker 04

  Don't know how well it cleans, but, yeah, that was...

• 54:53Andrew Manganelli?

  If you want a good time, read the Terms of Service. There's some great stuff.

• 54:56David Imel?

  We're in the same New Balances as me. Okay. "An OpenAI agent broke out of its sandbox and hacked Hugging Face to find the answer key."

• 55:06Speaker 02

  With like quotations around like, every single word.

• 55:08David Imel?

  There's quotations around every single aspect of this, for sure. Um, and I put this, I put this in the story. Effectively, OpenAI was testing how good various amounts of its models were at offensive hacking, so it ran this internal evaluation called ExploitGym, which measures its offensive capabilities in an isolated environment. So it was in a sandbox. They were told to solve a benchmark with no constraints on how to do so, uh, but instead of just doing the benchmark, the models realized it was faster to just break out of the sandbox and then hack Hugging Face and steal the answer key. Uh, OpenAI did not realize this had happened for like, a week. Hugging Face noticed that there was like, a cyber attack on them a few days later, and they suspected that it

• 55:53David Imel?

  was a rogue model, etc. And then OpenAI figured it out, they contacted them, and then they put out like, this paper together, and the Hugging Face CEO seemed like, legit excited. And for those who don't know, Hugging Face is like, an AI benchmarking database, like, place. And, uh...

• 56:12Speaker 04

  Weird name.

• 56:13David Imel?

  Yeah, it was in the very, very, very beginning of all this stuff happening, so I think there was, it was just a wild west.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  It's where like, a lot of open source agents are, um, or excuse me, open source models are posted. I grabbed, when Meta was doing all the like, music generation models a little bit ago, that's where I would grab them all from.

• 56:29David Imel?

  Hmm, interesting.

• 56:30Andrew Manganelli?

  So it's like GitHub, but for models?

• 56:32David Imel?

  Yeah, sort of. Um, anyway, it's just like, you know, they intentionally were saying like, be offensive, and they took off some of its safeguards, and like, A, B, C, D, F, G. But like, you know, these open source models are getting easier and easier to run and access, etc. And I feel like we're going to start see, starting, we're going to start seeing a lot more of this happening in the future. The weird thing was that the Hugging Face CEO seems excited that this had happened, you know, which is, um, I can see it when it's like, oopsie, it's a frontier lab that's making these models, etc. But if this was a real, if this is a person who had gone out and said, "Go hack this company," that

• 57:17David Imel?

  would be like, a federal crime.

• 57:19Speaker 04

  Because it did it.

• 57:20David Imel?

  Yeah. So, like, it is a federal crime, but they don't care. So they're not like, pursuing charges because it's a frontier lab. But this is gonna start happening for a lot more companies, and it's just gonna get really weird and Wild Westy, and, um, just wanted to throw that one out there. It's a little strange. It's a little strange. Now we just need to put one of these inside of these robots.

• 57:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I need to just look at this robot again to feel joy.

• 57:43David Imel?

  Yeah, it's like after watching a horror movie, and then you watch Mickey Mouse Clubhouse to kind of calm your brain.

• 57:48Speaker 04

  I just have a feeling there's gonna be so many, because they're really doing it. They're launching this service. There's gonna, there's like, we are on the brink of a flood of videos of these things, like, bumping into walls and like, wandering around people's houses.

• 57:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 57:58Speaker 04

  I'm so excited for that.

• 57:59David Imel?

  Well, in San Francisco only.

• 58:01Speaker 04

  In San Francisco, but like, go on Twitter. That's like a portal into San Francisco.

• 58:05Andrew Manganelli?

  If you're an approved tester. So I'm sure there's gonna be something like, no recordings.

• 58:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 58:11Speaker 04

  No saying bad things.

• 58:12David Imel?

  No NDAs.

• 58:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm not exactly sure. There is a service terms, and they do have something about them recording you.

• 58:22David Imel?

  Yeah, hopefully doesn't...

• 58:23Andrew Manganelli?

  "Every cleaning is recorded. Operator watches live. We keep the footage and use it to train our models. Um, everyone will be told before they arrive. I don't see..." "You give us perpetual worldwide royalty-free license to use footage, telemetry, and other data recorded during your visit to operate, develop, train, and improve our robots, models, and services. They do say they won't publish or display footage that identifies you or your home..."

• 58:44David Imel?

  Better not.

• 58:44Andrew Manganelli?

  "...without permission. I don't see anything saying you can't record it."

• 58:49David Imel?

  Great. And until you send the documents.

• 58:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, and that's just like, to apply for the, being a tester. I'm sure there's a lot more paperwork.

• 58:55David Imel?

  Yeah, once you sign it, they pick you, yeah.

• 58:57Speaker 04

  Well, let me know on Twitter what happens, please.

• 59:00David Imel?

  Alright.

• 59:00Speaker 04

  Anyway.

• 59:01David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 59:01Speaker 04

  Alright, we'll take one more quick break, and we'll come back to play our game. But before that, one more trivia question, please.

• 59:08David Imel?

  Trivia, dude.

• 59:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Alright, the iPad Pro, first generation, came out in 2015.

• 59:17David Imel?

  Wow, I'm old.

• 59:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you, I know, same. Do you remember how much RAM it had?

• 59:23David Imel?

  No.

• 59:23Speaker 04

  Did Apple even publish that at the time?

• 59:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know if it was out at the time. We don't know.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  They definitely, well, I'm guessing they didn't tell us, but people found out about it.

• 59:30Andrew Manganelli?

  For sure. And there are two answers to this, because if you remember, there were two different sized iPads. So, two points up for grabs. Wait, how do you have?

• 59:39Speaker 04

  Oh, because there's a small iPad Pro and a big iPad Pro. There's like, the, okay, 11 and 13.

• 59:43David Imel?

  That was Pro?

• 59:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, the 9.7 inch and the 12.9 inch.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  I was wrong.

• 59:49David Imel?

  How much RAM did they have? Okay. Alright, well, we'll think about that a bit. Answers at the end. We'll be right back.

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• 1:01:24Speaker 06

  Welcome back. So for this last segment, we are going to be playing a game that you may have seen us play before. If you watched the trivia extravaganza, if you did not, go watch it, but it is called Keyword Search. And this time we put Ellis at the big boy table and we're gonna have two teams.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  Glad we're playing this.

• 1:01:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, we're gonna do Team Ellis and David versus Team Andrew and Marquez.

• 1:01:49David Imel?

  Lock in.

• 1:01:50Speaker 06

  I specifically did not come up with a name for Ellis and David because I wanted you guys to come up with it live on the podcast. So figure it out because Team Andrew and Marquez are Team Lawn Sports.

• 1:01:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Lawn Sports.

• 1:01:59David Imel?

  Fair enough. What do we have in common?

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  California, obviously.

• 1:02:02David Imel?

  Oh yeah, true.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:03David Imel?

  California.

• 1:02:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Coastal Elites.

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  I would be, yeah.

• 1:02:07David Imel?

  But you guys are all serving the coast. Just the other, the worst coast, the worst coast.

• 1:02:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Beast coast.

• 1:02:13David Imel?

  How about best, bestial elites or best coast?

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  No, I think, I think.

• 1:02:18David Imel?

  We could just call it best coast.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Isn't that a thing already?

• 1:02:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's already.

• 1:02:21David Imel?

  California.

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  Isn't there like a rapper named Best Coast?

• 1:02:24Speaker 06

  Oh, that I don't know.

• 1:02:25David Imel?

  Probably. I'll do coastal elites.

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think Coastal Elites makes it work.

• 1:02:28David Imel?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:02:29Speaker 06

  Okay, so we have Team Lawn Sports, which is Andrew and Marquez versus Team Coastal Elites, which is David and Ellis.

• 1:02:35David Imel?

  That's right.

• 1:02:36Speaker 06

  The way this works is I'm going to ask you guys a question. And you have to, as a team, give me three words that I type into Google. And the answer to the question needs to be on that first page of Google. So again, same example as last time, if I said, name a Reddit founder, you have to say something like.

• 1:02:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Total scumbag.

• 1:02:58David Imel?

  Serena Williams' husband.

• 1:02:59Speaker 06

  Sure. That's, that's the one I was looking for. That's three words, Andrew. Not total scumbag, that's two. I guess if you use separate scum and bag.

• 1:03:07Andrew Manganelli?

  He's also little. I'm thinking about the other guy.

• 1:03:12Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, no.

• 1:03:14Speaker 06

  Oh, okay, okay. That makes way more sense. All right, so first question. Who wants to go first?

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  Oh, which group?

• 1:03:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:03:21David Imel?

  I mean, usually the elites get to go first.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  Ooh, that's true.

• 1:03:25Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:03:26Speaker 06

  All right, so first question for Coastal Elites. What OS version did the LG G4 launch with?

• 1:03:34David Imel?

  The G4.

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  You know what's embarrassing is this one is leftover from trivia extravaganza. I should remember the answer.

• 1:03:40Speaker 06

  Yep, and I knew you wouldn't.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  I don't know anything about Android.

• 1:03:42David Imel?

  G4?

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  I did dessert. No, okay, okay. Is, can we use the word Android?

• 1:03:49Speaker 06

  Uh, you cannot because it's in the answer.

• 1:03:52David Imel?

  He wants the version. Do you want the, the, the food or the number?

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  No, no, we gotta think, we gotta think more broadly. We just gotta get every single Android version listed.

• 1:04:00David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:01Speaker 06

  I need an answer. What's it gonna be?

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  List, because I want AI overview to do it. So list. Li- list phone desserts?

• 1:04:10David Imel?

  List, how about, um, what about list LG versions?

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  No, no, no, it's a, no, list, list phone desserts.

• 1:04:19David Imel?

  List G4 version.

• 1:04:22Speaker 06

  Okay, let me check. List phone desserts.

• 1:04:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I do think the.

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  I remember it.

• 1:04:28Andrew Manganelli?

  The timing, I think we need more than the waiting time. Know what I mean?

• 1:04:34David Imel?

  Wait, what?

• 1:04:34Andrew Manganelli?

  More time than the sound. More time than the sound effect thing, which, which they gave you more, but I'm saying. Yeah, I'm just saying, that's really fast when you have to think of the answer and then how to describe the answer.

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  You know what's crazy? You didn't even notice Adam's haircut.

• 1:04:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Adam didn't notice my haircut.

• 1:04:49David Imel?

  Adam didn't notice my haircut.

• 1:04:50Speaker 06

  I didn't even notice I got a haircut.

• 1:04:51David Imel?

  I was gonna get a haircut, but I'm getting it tonight.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  Did you guys actually get haircuts?

• 1:04:55David Imel?

  Literally yesterday. Why do we always get haircuts at the same time?

• 1:04:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I hate my haircut.

• 1:04:59David Imel?

  Did you also?

• 1:05:00Speaker 02

  Guys.

• 1:05:00David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  I'm the [BLEEP].

• 1:05:03David Imel?

  Wait, Ellis, are you getting, are you getting a haircut soon?

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  Probably soon, yeah.

• 1:05:06David Imel?

  I'm getting one tonight. You wanna come with?

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  Gotta text my barber.

• 1:05:10David Imel?

  You just get it.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Do we get the points?

• 1:05:11Speaker 06

  You got the point.

• 1:05:12David Imel?

  Yeah!

• 1:05:13Andrew Manganelli?

  How'd you not use the word Google?

• 1:05:16Speaker 06

  AI overview literally listed them all out as Ellis intended.

• 1:05:19David Imel?

  That's a good plan. That was a good plan.

• 1:05:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I was just surprised you didn't use the term Google.

• 1:05:24David Imel?

  He's doing LeBron sellies right now?

• 1:05:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:05:26David Imel?

  That's crazy.

• 1:05:26Speaker 06

  It's too an injection. All right, next question for Team Lawn Sports.

• 1:05:30David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:05:30Speaker 06

  When was Google Photos first launched? Looking for the month, day, year, but closest wins.

• 1:05:36David Imel?

  Photos first launched. Month, day, year.

• 1:05:38Speaker 06

  They're harder than those.

• 1:05:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, but.

• 1:05:39Speaker 06

  You can just get it close enough. It's fine.

• 1:05:41David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:05:42Andrew Manganelli?

  What?

• 1:05:43Speaker 06

  I'll look for the, the month and the year. I'll give you the month.

• 1:05:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, okay, how do we redo Google? It probably will, oh, Android. I was gonna say picture app launch, but that's for Google Photos.

• 1:06:00David Imel?

  Android picture service, but I want the launch date to show it.

• 1:06:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:04David Imel?

  Oh, man.

• 1:06:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Android picture app? And do you think it'll just say when it launched? I don't think it will say when it launched.

• 1:06:11David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Android picture launch?

• 1:06:14David Imel?

  Android pictures?

• 1:06:16Speaker 06

  Android.

• 1:06:16Andrew Manganelli?

  And it probably will be like, did you mean Android photo or Google Photos? And then maybe it'll show the launch?

• 1:06:22David Imel?

  Worth a shot.

• 1:06:23Andrew Manganelli?

  That's all I can think of.

• 1:06:24David Imel?

  Yeah, I guess, yeah. I don't know.

• 1:06:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Android Pictures Launch?

• 1:06:27David Imel?

  Android Pictures. Can we say launch?

• 1:06:30Speaker 06

  Android Pictures Launch?

• 1:06:31David Imel?

  Launch.

• 1:06:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah, can we say launch?

• 1:06:33Speaker 06

  Uh, no, you cannot because that was in the question.

• 1:06:36David Imel?

  Android Pictures.

• 1:06:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Start.

• 1:06:40Speaker 06

  Start.

• 1:06:42David Imel?

  That's a tough one. Let's try it.

• 1:06:44Speaker 06

  Start?

• 1:06:44David Imel?

  Android Pictures Start.

• 1:06:46Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:06:47Andrew Manganelli?

  This is the center of the game.

• 1:06:48David Imel?

  What about Android Pictures Service? But too late.

• 1:06:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, but still don't know.

• 1:06:51David Imel?

  Getting the launch date out of just.

• 1:06:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:06:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Speaker 06

  Let's see.

• 1:06:55David Imel?

  He get the name.

• 1:06:56Speaker 06

  Or what about Android Pictures Wikipedia?

• 1:06:59Speaker 06

  That's what I would have done.

• 1:07:00David Imel?

  Android Pictures Wikipedia.

• 1:07:01Andrew Manganelli?

  That might, that might be.

• 1:07:03Speaker 06

  Not there. Sorry, guys.

• 1:07:04Andrew Manganelli?

  What did it say?

• 1:07:05Speaker 06

  Get it. Nothing, it's not there.

• 1:07:06Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, but like, what is the general vibe of what it was?

• 1:07:09Speaker 06

  It is Google Photos, but it didn't have the launch date.

• 1:07:12David Imel?

  Yeah, it's tough to get the launch date.

• 1:07:13Speaker 06

  That's a tough one.

• 1:07:14Andrew Manganelli?

  What's the difference?

• 1:07:15Speaker 06

  Okay, next question for Team Coastal Elites.

• 1:07:18David Imel?

  Yeah, boy!

• 1:07:19Speaker 06

  It's been a big Samsung Galaxy week, but do you know what the typeface is called that has been used in Samsung marketing since 2015?

• 1:07:26David Imel?

  Over the horizon.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  Okay, he used the word typeface, not font, which gives us.

• 1:07:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  Big ops.

• 1:07:34Speaker 06

  Big brain.

• 1:07:34David Imel?

  And we can't say Samsung. We can't.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  No, we can't say Samsung, but we can say, did you say phone?

• 1:07:41Speaker 06

  I did not say phone.

• 1:07:42Speaker 02

  But it's like Samsung marketing stuff?

• 1:07:44Speaker 06

  It's Samsung marketing since 2015. I said Samsung Galaxy and marketing.

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  Like, so like Korean.

• 1:07:52David Imel?

  You can't say Samsung?

• 1:07:54Speaker 06

  Not say Samsung.

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:58David Imel?

  We have to use three words? We can't do four words?

• 1:08:01Speaker 06

  That is the rules of the game.

• 1:08:02David Imel?

  Perfect.

• 1:08:03Speaker 02

  Brand. What's the, can we say Galaxy?

• 1:08:06Speaker 06

  Nope, that's into question.

• 1:08:07Speaker 02

  Can we say, oh.

• 1:08:10David Imel?

  What is, okay, what about other, what, do they have non-Galaxy phones?

• 1:08:15Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:08:16David Imel?

  I need an answer.

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  I think we should do.

• 1:08:18David Imel?

  Korean phone font?

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's all I got.

• 1:08:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I hope it's LG so bad.

• 1:08:23Speaker 06

  Korean phone font?

• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  Korean phone font.

• 1:08:25David Imel?

  Yeah. I was gonna say like S22 ad. Oh, yeah, we could have said like S22.

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  I wasn't big brain.

• 1:08:33David Imel?

  Yeah, wait, that's.

• 1:08:34Speaker 06

  Nope, it's not there. Sorry, guys.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  What did come up?

• 1:08:37Speaker 06

  What did come up was.

• 1:08:39David Imel?

  These are harder.

• 1:08:40Speaker 06

  Like, the fonts came up. It was just not this one that we're looking for.

• 1:08:43David Imel?

  What's the answer, by the way?

• 1:08:44Speaker 06

  The answer is Samsung Sharp Sans.

• 1:08:48David Imel?

  Of course they have their own font. Sharp Sans?

• 1:08:50Speaker 06

  Sharp, Sharp Sans. Also, I don't know if I said the answer to the Google Photos one. It was 2015, May of 2015.

• 1:08:55David Imel?

  May what?

• 1:08:56Speaker 06

  May 28th, 2015. Yeah, but it was Samsung Sharp Sans is what I was looking for.

• 1:09:01David Imel?

  I'm gonna put it in my calendar. Google Photos birthday. Would you like to wish them a happy birthday?

• 1:09:08Speaker 06

  Next question. This is for Team Lawn Sports.

• 1:09:10David Imel?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:09:12Speaker 06

  What website at one point hosted the popular MMO?

• 1:09:15Speaker 02

  Club Penguin.

• 1:09:17Speaker 06

  MMO.

• 1:09:18David Imel?

  Not MiniClip?

• 1:09:19Speaker 02

  Where we did, we did.

• 1:09:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Was it MiniClip?

• 1:09:21David Imel?

  Maybe not.

• 1:09:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, we did.

• 1:09:22David Imel?

  Okay, so we can't say Club Penguin.

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  It's funny to think of Club Penguin as an MMO.

• 1:09:27David Imel?

  Saying Club Penguin.

• 1:09:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Arctic Bird.

• 1:09:35David Imel?

  Team. Arctic Bird Game?

• 1:09:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah, Arctic Bird Game might work.

• 1:09:39David Imel?

  You're looking for the website that hosted it.

• 1:09:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I know, but it should start being listed. It'll show when it went on and it's like quick, so.

• 1:09:46David Imel?

  So Arctic Bird Game.

• 1:09:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Flightless Bird Game.

• 1:09:50David Imel?

  There's no other, there's no other way to get Penguin without.

• 1:09:52Andrew Manganelli?

  How else do you spell? Yeah, I don't think so.

• 1:09:55David Imel?

  Emperor. Emperor. I guess it's Arctic Bird Game.

• 1:10:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Arctic Bird Game or Arctic Bird? Is, what's the different word for club?

• 1:10:05David Imel?

  I need an answer. Arctic Bird Game, yeah.

• 1:10:08Speaker 06

  Arctic Bird Game?

• 1:10:09David Imel?

  Don't they live in the Antarctic? Not the Arctic?

• 1:10:11Speaker 06

  Same thing.

• 1:10:12Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it'll get it.

• 1:10:16Andrew Manganelli?

  And Google can type in. Song that goes And it'll pick it up. So I think

• 1:10:22Speaker 06

  Sorry, it's not there. Turns out there's a lot of Arctic Penguin games.

• 1:10:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, but none of them are Club Penguin.

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  Is the answer Mini Clip?

• 1:10:29Speaker 06

  The answer is Mini Clip Games.

• 1:10:30Speaker 04

  It is.

• 1:10:31David Imel?

  Was it really a Mini Clip game?

• 1:10:33Speaker 02

  It wasn't a Mini Clip game, but they were one of the only non first party sites to host it.

• 1:10:38David Imel?

  So funny to

• 1:10:39Speaker 04

  I should have stuck with that.

• 1:10:39David Imel?

  Club Penguin doesn't

• 1:10:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, we would have had to get.

• 1:10:42Speaker 06

  Well, that was a question that I think Team Coastal Elites would have gotten, but I asked it to Team Lawn Sports. So now I'm going to ask Team Coastal Elites a question that I think Team Lawn Sports would have gotten, which is The first Keychron keyboard was released in what year?

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  Uh, okay, Keychron. What do I know about Keychron?

• 1:11:02David Imel?

  Popular keyboard

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  Now we

• 1:11:04David Imel?

  Releases?

• 1:11:08David Imel?

  The Keychron is like one of the more popular keyboard.

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  I want, I want AI to list all the dates that all the popular keyboards came out. So like, maybe like

• 1:11:17David Imel?

  Release date keyboard, keyboard release date.

• 1:11:19Speaker 02

  How about release keyboard chronology?

• 1:11:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Are you expanding on AI overview when you?

• 1:11:26David Imel?

  You think cron would be enough?

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  Well, I think chronology will get AI overview to just list all the big brands. Popular keyboard chronology.

• 1:11:34David Imel?

  Popular keyboard chronology.

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  Popular keyboard.

• 1:11:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm interested in that. I don't know what I would Ask.

• 1:11:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Or I would try and guess what the first

• 1:11:47David Imel?

  Although it's probably gonna be like the Apple two keyboard.

• 1:11:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, sorry, it's not there. It's giving us a bunch of like typewriters and different computers and IBM keyboards.

• 1:11:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Try and guess what the first Keychron was, which is Probably like the

• 1:12:00Speaker 06

  Don't overthink it.

• 1:12:01Andrew Manganelli?

  One or something.

• 1:12:01Speaker 06

  The K one.

• 1:12:02Andrew Manganelli?

  K one.

• 1:12:03Speaker 06

  You're on the right, right track.

• 1:12:05David Imel?

  Oh, so we probably could have typed K one release.

• 1:12:07Speaker 06

  I specifically left it open so you guys might, if you knew, but yeah, K one, 2017.

• 1:12:12Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 1:12:13David Imel?

  2017.

• 1:12:14Speaker 06

  2017.

• 1:12:15David Imel?

  That's actually, yeah.

• 1:12:16Speaker 04

  So it's still one zero?

• 1:12:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 1:12:18Speaker 06

  Yes, still one zero.

• 1:12:21David Imel?

  No, we got a point. We have not. No, we got a point.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, we did get a point.

• 1:12:24Andrew Manganelli?

  It's funny. I felt like in trivia, we got most of them right.

• 1:12:27David Imel?

  Yeah, this is harder.

• 1:12:28Speaker 06

  These are harder ones. Yeah, for sure. Okay, next question. This is going to Team Coastal Elites.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  Lawn Sports.

• 1:12:34Speaker 06

  Team Lawn Sports. Next question. The Galaxy, the Samsung Galaxy S3 launched with what version of Android?

• 1:12:44David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:12:45Andrew Manganelli?

  So just all Android.

• 1:12:45David Imel?

  Google dessert list.

• 1:12:49Speaker 06

  Is that it?

• 1:12:50David Imel?

  I think that will

• 1:12:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that not what they did in the first one where they got the point?

• 1:12:54David Imel?

  Is that the exact same phrase you use?

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  Phone dessert list. Yeah.

• 1:12:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Google dessert.

• 1:12:58David Imel?

  I mean, Google dessert list is gonna work if we're allowed to use Google.

• 1:13:01Speaker 02

  I created a meta.

• 1:13:02David Imel?

  Yeah, let's go with Google dessert list.

• 1:13:05Speaker 06

  Google dessert list. Let's see what comes up.

• 1:13:09Speaker 06

  Um, let me search.

• 1:13:11David Imel?

  If this doesn't work, I'm gonna be so mad.

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  I would just give you

• 1:13:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Honestly, with AI overview, you could type the same thing in twice and it probably would be different.

• 1:13:17Speaker 06

  You got so lucky. It's there. You got the point, but it is not have anything to do with Google. It's just desserts.

• 1:13:28Speaker 06

  Cause you Googled dessert lists.

• 1:13:30David Imel?

  I Googled Google dessert list.

• 1:13:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, Google dessert list.

• 1:13:33Andrew Manganelli?

  No, that's bad.

• 1:13:34Speaker 06

  Gives you a bunch of desserts.

• 1:13:35David Imel?

  Is the answer like cupcake or donut or something?

• 1:13:37Speaker 06

  It's ice cream sandwich.

• 1:13:38David Imel?

  And it

• 1:13:38Speaker 06

  And there's one reference of ice cream sandwich on this page, but it's like

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  It's not Android.

• 1:13:42Speaker 06

  Gelato, mango sorbet, apple pie, chocolate chip cookie. It just gave you a bunch of desserts.

• 1:13:47David Imel?

  What? That's crazy. All right. Well, I'm glad it worked out.

• 1:13:50Speaker 06

  Cause yeah, so you got the point.

• 1:13:51David Imel?

  We deserve that.

• 1:13:52Speaker 06

  So we're all tied up. One, one.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  All right, all right, all right, all right.

• 1:13:55Speaker 06

  All right, Team Coastal Elites, here we go. Leica launched the phone in 2021 that was exclusive to which country?

• 1:14:03Speaker 02

  Hong?

• 1:14:03David Imel?

  China?

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  No, really?

• 1:14:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  Do you know this?

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  No. List all countries.

• 1:14:17David Imel?

  How about?

• 1:14:20David Imel?

  What about?

• 1:14:21Andrew Manganelli?

  From way downtown.

• 1:14:24Speaker 02

  With no regard for human life.

• 1:14:26David Imel?

  So we can't say country?

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:14:29Speaker 06

  Uh, no, you cannot.

• 1:14:30David Imel?

  So it's China.

• 1:14:31Andrew Manganelli?

  So just list all. That's all they get?

• 1:14:34David Imel?

  So do you want to say, should we say like exclusive global AI superpower or open?

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  Well, uh, damn. We can't say

• 1:14:43David Imel?

  Communist Republic.

• 1:14:44Speaker 06

  It's not China.

• 1:14:46David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:14:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Whoa.

• 1:14:47David Imel?

  Was it Germany?

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  No, it has to be Italy.

• 1:14:50David Imel?

  Italy? No, it's not Italy. Why would it be Italy?

• 1:14:53Speaker 02

  Cause I feel like they're the only ones that appreciate such a thing.

• 1:14:55David Imel?

  It's a

• 1:14:55Speaker 06

  A bad phone with a good camera?

• 1:14:57David Imel?

  It did not have a good camera and it was a really bad phone.

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  You remember this?

• 1:15:01David Imel?

  Yes.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  Okay, I think we gotta

• 1:15:02David Imel?

  I used it.

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  I think we gotta, we gotta, I think we gotta take a step back.

• 1:15:05Speaker 06

  I think

• 1:15:05David Imel?

  So it's not China.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  It's like, uh, phone.

• 1:15:08David Imel?

  It was made by

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  Camera, camera brand, camera expensive phone, camera brand.

• 1:15:14David Imel?

  Oh, camera, but it has to be the country we're looking for.

• 1:15:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:15:17David Imel?

  Camera. We can't say Leica.

• 1:15:20Speaker 06

  Three.

• 1:15:21David Imel?

  Camera phone exclusive.

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  I list all phones.

• 1:15:24David Imel?

  Camera phone country, camera phone country.

• 1:15:26Speaker 02

  I don't, we can't say country.

• 1:15:27David Imel?

  Camera phone exclusive, exclusive. That's gonna be a lot of stuff.

• 1:15:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, let's see if this, uh, this comes up.

• 1:15:35David Imel?

  If that comes up.

• 1:15:36Speaker 04

  Wait, I used this phone. Was it really Germany only?

• 1:15:39Speaker 06

  No, it was Japan.

• 1:15:40David Imel?

  Japan?

• 1:15:41Andrew Manganelli?

  That is actually what I was gonna say.

• 1:15:43David Imel?

  It was Japan. It was Japan. They do like Leica there. Damn. It was, what was the company that made the phone? It was like I O Q or whatever it was? It was so bad. It was the, the vibration motor was literally the worst.

• 1:15:58Speaker 06

  It was the lights phone one and it was made with sharp.

• 1:16:01David Imel?

  Sharp, sharp, sharp.

• 1:16:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Light phone?

• 1:16:03David Imel?

  Lights. Yeah, it was like the, yeah, it was like an aqua.

• 1:16:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was an aqua's R six, basically.

• 1:16:10David Imel?

  So bad. The vibration motor was so bad. I remember that. The new Leica phone's really good though.

• 1:16:15Speaker 06

  I thought you would remember the name, so that's why I made that so hard. All right, next question.

• 1:16:19David Imel?

  Well.

• 1:16:19Speaker 06

  This one's a very easy one, but let's see if you guys got it.

• 1:16:22David Imel?

  Come on.

• 1:16:23Speaker 06

  Microsoft launched a browser in 1995 that let you explore the internet. What was it called?

• 1:16:30David Imel?

  Arc. In 1995?

• 1:16:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you can't use Microsoft browser.

• 1:16:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Windows default Internet? You can't use browser.

• 1:16:40David Imel?

  Oh, we can't say XP default browser?

• 1:16:43Andrew Manganelli?

  You can't say browser.

• 1:16:44Speaker 06

  You cannot say browser.

• 1:16:45David Imel?

  XP default internet?

• 1:16:48Speaker 06

  You cannot say internet.

• 1:16:49David Imel?

  You can't? Oh, okay.

• 1:16:50Speaker 06

  Cause that's part of the question and the answer.

• 1:16:52David Imel?

  XP default.

• 1:16:56Andrew Manganelli?

  What's another word for that?

• 1:16:59David Imel?

  Uh, websites?

• 1:17:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Browser. It's easy, but if you take away all of our words.

• 1:17:04David Imel?

  Can you say XP default?

• 1:17:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, wait, wait. Windows blue E?

• 1:17:10David Imel?

  Cause that's Say Windows?

• 1:17:12Andrew Manganelli?

  We can say Windows, right?

• 1:17:13Speaker 06

  Uh, you can't say Windows. Is that it? Are you going with that?

• 1:17:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Right?

• 1:17:16David Imel?

  Windows blue logo?

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  I hope you got Edge, bro.

• 1:17:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Or XP blue icon, then if you want to make sure.

• 1:17:25David Imel?

  Yeah, XP.

• 1:17:26Andrew Manganelli?

  XP blue icon?

• 1:17:29David Imel?

  Sure.

• 1:17:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Or X or Windows E icon?

• 1:17:32David Imel?

  I think XP.

• 1:17:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Or, oh, sorry, X P E icon. X P E icon.

• 1:17:39Speaker 06

  X P E icon.

• 1:17:41Andrew Manganelli?

  That was hard because they took away all of our words.

• 1:17:43David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's not there.

• 1:17:45Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not there?

• 1:17:46David Imel?

  I was gonna say like

• 1:17:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Can you do XP?

• 1:17:48David Imel?

  Windows

• 1:17:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Blue icon?

• 1:17:50David Imel?

  Windows search app or old when, old Windows search.

• 1:17:55Speaker 04

  We just have to get Internet Explorer to come up somehow.

• 1:17:56David Imel?

  They didn't have Bing back then.

• 1:17:58Speaker 04

  What if you just said Microsoft Edge meme?

• 1:18:01David Imel?

  But it'd be Edge.

• 1:18:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I guess old Microsoft Edge.

• 1:18:04David Imel?

  That probably would have worked.

• 1:18:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Old Microsoft Edge.

• 1:18:06Speaker 02

  Windows before Edge.

• 1:18:08Speaker 04

  Microsoft Edge versus.

• 1:18:09David Imel?

  Windows before Edge.

• 1:18:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:11Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:18:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Worst. Oh, you can't say internet or browser.

• 1:18:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:15Speaker 02

  All right, David, this is our second point. I can feel it. It's brewing.

• 1:18:18David Imel?

  I can feel it.

• 1:18:19Speaker 06

  All right, here we go. We're still tied one, one, by the way. I'm gonna have to come up with more questions.

• 1:18:26Speaker 06

  Back in the day, Garmin made GPS things for your car. But what was the first watch they released?

• 1:18:35David Imel?

  Do you know the answer?

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  I feel like I was researching this.

• 1:18:38David Imel?

  Was it the Phoenix?

• 1:18:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I think this has been a trivia question.

• 1:18:41David Imel?

  Was it the Phoenix?

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:18:42David Imel?

  Or was it the like garment, the one with the Q?

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  Dude, uh, we can't say watch though, right?

• 1:18:48Speaker 06

  Nope.

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  Can we just say like first? Oh, we can't say first either.

• 1:18:52David Imel?

  Nope, we can't say first?

• 1:18:53Speaker 02

  No, it's the question.

• 1:18:54David Imel?

  Original.

• 1:18:55Speaker 02

  Debut GPS wrist.

• 1:18:58David Imel?

  Debut, uh,

• 1:19:02David Imel?

  Adventure Time.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:19:07Speaker 04

  That's a show.

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  Please do that one.

• 1:19:08Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a show.

• 1:19:10David Imel?

  That's not gonna work. I mean, you should, because it would really fun.

• 1:19:13Speaker 02

  I think they should go with debut GPS wrist.

• 1:19:17David Imel?

  But did it have GPS?

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  It has to.

• 1:19:19David Imel?

  Are you sure?

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  That's their whole thing.

• 1:19:21David Imel?

  Debut adventure wrist?

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  GPS.

• 1:19:24Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:19:25Speaker 06

  Is that what we're going?

• 1:19:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:19:26David Imel?

  Fitness wrist?

• 1:19:27Speaker 02

  I don't think I have fitness.

• 1:19:28David Imel?

  GP, you think they were the first GPS? Yeah, okay. Debut GP.

• 1:19:31Speaker 02

  It's Garmin, right?

• 1:19:32David Imel?

  Okay, look.

• 1:19:32Speaker 02

  What else do they do?

• 1:19:33Speaker 06

  Debut GP, debut GPS wrist.

• 1:19:36David Imel?

  Alright, sure.

• 1:19:37Speaker 04

  This is like if we were terrible at Googling things.

• 1:19:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:41Speaker 06

  It's like toddler SEO.

• 1:19:42Andrew Manganelli?

  It is tough not being able to use either set of words.

• 1:19:46Speaker 06

  I'll give it to you. Forerunner is there. It was the Forerunner Series. Forerunner 101.

• 1:19:50David Imel?

  Wow.

• 1:19:51Speaker 06

  Let's go. Elites over here.

• 1:19:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I guess.

• 1:19:53Speaker 06

  Coastal elites got the point.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  Wait, wait. You guys wanna hear a trivia question I threw away this morning?

• 1:19:57Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, it's really good.

• 1:19:58Speaker 02

  It's one of the, you know, how Jeopardy, they make you answer with a pun.

• 1:20:01Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:02Speaker 02

  Okay. What is the solar and acrobatic version of the new screenless Garmin?

• 1:20:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Cirque de, the Cirque.

• 1:20:11Speaker 06

  Cirque du Soleil.

• 1:20:13David Imel?

  Cirque du Soleil.

• 1:20:14Andrew Manganelli?

  So, solar.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's Cirque du Soleil.

• 1:20:17David Imel?

  That's pretty funny.

• 1:20:18Andrew Manganelli?

  That's pretty good.

• 1:20:19David Imel?

  That's really funny.

• 1:20:20Andrew Manganelli?

  That would've been good. Well, anyway.

• 1:20:21David Imel?

  I saw the Beatles love in Cirque du Soleil.

• 1:20:23Speaker 06

  You saw what?

• 1:20:24David Imel?

  The Beatles love Cirque du Soleil show.

• 1:20:27Speaker 06

  How was it?

• 1:20:28David Imel?

  Really freaking good. But the Beatles was my entire personality at the time.

• 1:20:32Speaker 06

  I mean, they were, we've all had that.

• 1:20:34David Imel?

  When I was a freshman in high school, yeah.

• 1:20:36Speaker 06

  Um, okay, so it is 2-1.

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:20:40Speaker 06

  Do we wanna do like a sudden death?

• 1:20:41David Imel?

  A definitive elite is winning.

• 1:20:42Speaker 06

  You can tie or they win. How are we doing this?

• 1:20:45Speaker 04

  Is that, is that our only option?

• 1:20:47Andrew Manganelli?

  If we tie, if we tie, then I think we should get, then we should keep going.

• 1:20:52Speaker 06

  Okay, so this is it for all the marbles.

• 1:20:54David Imel?

  Alright.

• 1:20:54Speaker 06

  Potentially, potentially.

• 1:20:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Potentially. Lock in.

• 1:20:57Speaker 04

  I'm locked in.

• 1:20:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm not, I'm trying.

• 1:20:59Speaker 04

  I'm picturing the Google search box right in front of me.

• 1:21:01Speaker 06

  Alright, so this is for the tie for Team Lawn Sports.

• 1:21:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Stay alive.

• 1:21:06Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:21:08Speaker 06

  The first iPhone to launch with MagSafe was what?

• 1:21:12Speaker 04

  iPhone 8.

• 1:21:13Andrew Manganelli?

  With MagSafe?

• 1:21:15Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Are you sure about that? I don't think it's the app.

• 1:21:18Speaker 04

  The first one with wireless charging was the 8. MagSafe was the 12.

• 1:21:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:21:23Speaker 04

  So, we can't say iPhone 12. We have to get iPhone 12 to come up, so just say.

• 1:21:29Andrew Manganelli?

  What year was Apple?

• 1:21:30Speaker 04

  First mini, first mini, uh, Cupertino, I don't know, some way to get Apple in there.

• 1:21:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Apple mini phone?

• 1:21:42Speaker 04

  Can we say Apple?

• 1:21:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:44Speaker 04

  Mini phone. Oh, yeah, we can say phone, not iPhone.

• 1:21:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:47Speaker 04

  Okay, Apple mini phone.

• 1:21:49Speaker 06

  Apple mini phone?

• 1:21:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, the 13 and 12 mini should both come up, and then that counts.

• 1:21:55Andrew Manganelli?

  You're just looking for the series, right?

• 1:21:56David Imel?

  Can you just say magnetic wireless charging?

• 1:22:00Speaker 04

  That wouldn't say iPhone 12 necessarily.

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  But MagSafe does not. Dude's right, he's.

• 1:22:06Andrew Manganelli?

  We don't have, needed to say MagSafe, right? We needed to say.

• 1:22:08Speaker 04

  We just need iPhone 12 to come on.

• 1:22:09Speaker 06

  iPhone 12.

• 1:22:09Andrew Manganelli?

  iPhone 12.

• 1:22:10Speaker 06

  And it looks like.

• 1:22:12David Imel?

  But the 12 mini, is that the 12?

• 1:22:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:15Speaker 06

  Yeah. You guys got the point. It's there.

• 1:22:17Andrew Manganelli?

  I think if you guys got Forerunner as default Forerunner, not the specific Forerunner.

• 1:22:22Speaker 06

  I'm getting a little broad with these, it's fine.

• 1:22:23David Imel?

  Should've said Toyota Adventure Vehicle.

• 1:22:26Speaker 04

  Rev. Tundra.

• 1:22:29Speaker 06

  Forerunner.

• 1:22:29Speaker 04

  I know, but there's a lot of adventure vehicles.

• 1:22:31David Imel?

  Oh, yeah, sure.

• 1:22:33Speaker 06

  Nice.

• 1:22:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, why would we have said that?

• 1:22:35David Imel?

  Cause we're all tied up.

• 1:22:36Speaker 06

  We're all tied up.

• 1:22:36David Imel?

  Toyota Forerunner.

• 1:22:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, Forerunner, sorry.

• 1:22:39Speaker 04

  Or is that Subaru?

• 1:22:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Different question. No, you're right, you're right.

• 1:22:41Speaker 04

  We stayed alive.

• 1:22:42Speaker 06

  Stayed alive.

• 1:22:43David Imel?

  So what happens now?

• 1:22:43Andrew Manganelli?

  So it should be like shootout rules now, where like.

• 1:22:46Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:22:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Ellis and David go, if they get it right, we have to get it right to stay alive. If Ellis and David go, they get it wrong, and Marquez and I get it right, then it's over.

• 1:22:54Speaker 06

  Oh, my god. I like that. I like that. For Team Coastal Elites.

• 1:22:58Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:22:59Speaker 06

  Blue Star is the model code name for which Tesla vehicle?

• 1:23:06Speaker 04

  I don't know. Is it the S?

• 1:23:08Speaker 02

  Dude, I don't know. But why, I think we should do best-selling EVs.

• 1:23:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I hope it's the Roadster.

• 1:23:18David Imel?

  I like that. Best-selling EVs.

• 1:23:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Or the Cybertruck.

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  Dude, if it's the Roadster, I don't know, I don't know. I have no idea what it could be.

• 1:23:27David Imel?

  Yeah, best-selling EVs.

• 1:23:28Speaker 06

  Best selling.

• 1:23:29Speaker 02

  No, no, list, no. I don't know, best-selling EVs.

• 1:23:33David Imel?

  Just give it.

• 1:23:33Speaker 02

  I'm choking.

• 1:23:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:35Speaker 06

  Best-selling EVs.

• 1:23:36Andrew Manganelli?

  All Elon.

• 1:23:37David Imel?

  Just input the Jacobean conjecture.

• 1:23:39Speaker 02

  All Elon cars.

• 1:23:41David Imel?

  All Elon cars.

• 1:23:44Speaker 06

  You get the point. It was the Tesla Model 3, and that's where it was.

• 1:23:47Speaker 04

  S3XY.

• 1:23:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:23:49Speaker 04

  I guess that's what it would've worked too. Wow.

• 1:23:51Speaker 06

  Wow, okay, so they live to, live to trivia another day.

• 1:23:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Blue, was called Blue Star?

• 1:23:56Speaker 04

  Star, Blue Star.

• 1:23:57Andrew Manganelli?

  I've never heard of that.

• 1:23:58Speaker 06

  Me neither.

• 1:23:59David Imel?

  It's pretty good, guys.

• 1:24:00Speaker 06

  Alright, Team Lawn Sports, you can either tie it.

• 1:24:05Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a lot of pressure here.

• 1:24:06Speaker 06

  Or give it away.

• 1:24:07Andrew Manganelli?

  It's stay alive or die.

• 1:24:09Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is it. In 2009, Google announced a project that was their desktop operating system, which allowed them to primarily run web-based apps. What was it called?

• 1:24:21Speaker 04

  Oh, it's easy. Okay, we gotta get it to say Chrome OS.

• 1:24:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:24:25Speaker 04

  And the way you do that is by getting a Chromebook.

• 1:24:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Chromebook, we can't say operating system though, right?

• 1:24:32Speaker 04

  Chromebook version.

• 1:24:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Chromebook OS.

• 1:24:35Speaker 04

  Also, if you get CR48, it has to say Chrome OS.

• 1:24:41Andrew Manganelli?

  CR48.

• 1:24:43Speaker 04

  I mean, that's all, you could just say CR48 software, and it would come up. Yeah.

• 1:24:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Are you that confident? We'll go with two?

• 1:24:48Speaker 04

  Two words.

• 1:24:49Speaker 06

  With two words?

• 1:24:49Speaker 04

  Only need two words. CR48 software.

• 1:24:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I hope it's Chrome OS.

• 1:24:53Speaker 04

  It's definitely Chrome OS. If that doesn't come up, I would be.

• 1:24:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause I, I would've thought if Google killed some operating system before Chrome OS.

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  What if it only comes up with the limited edition Google breakfast cereal? Chromios.

• 1:25:06David Imel?

  Chromios.

• 1:25:07Speaker 06

  Chrome OS is there, right on the first page.

• 1:25:09David Imel?

  Damn.

• 1:25:10Speaker 06

  Nice. Alright.

• 1:25:11Speaker 04

  Beautiful.

• 1:25:12Speaker 06

  Giving it back to Team Coastal Elites.

• 1:25:16Speaker 04

  You get a bonus for only doing two words.

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  I think it was your win.

• 1:25:18David Imel?

  So this is to me and Ellis again?

• 1:25:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  This is for the win.

• 1:25:23David Imel?

  FTW.

• 1:25:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Not yet.

• 1:25:24Speaker 04

  Unless we also cook.

• 1:25:25Speaker 06

  Unless they cook.

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  This is for the opportunity to win.

• 1:25:28Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 1:25:28David Imel?

  All we do is potentially win, no matter what.

• 1:25:32Speaker 06

  We're still tied up. 3-3.

• 1:25:33Speaker 02

  3-3.

• 1:25:34Speaker 06

  Team Coastal Elites, here's your question.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:25:37Speaker 06

  What app was purchased by Meta in 2012 for $1 billion?

• 1:25:41David Imel?

  Instagram, so TikTok alternat, popular TikTok alternative.

• 1:25:46Speaker 02

  No, no, photo, we can't use app, right?

• 1:25:49David Imel?

  Popular.

• 1:25:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Cannot use app.

• 1:25:50David Imel?

  No, just popular TikTok alternative. Literally, it'll say reels. It'll say Instagram reels.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're right.

• 1:25:56David Imel?

  I guarantee you.

• 1:25:57Speaker 02

  You're right.

• 1:25:57David Imel?

  Popular TikTok.

• 1:25:58Speaker 02

  Biggest TikTok alternative.

• 1:26:01David Imel?

  Sure.

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  Whatever. Yeah, you're right.

• 1:26:03David Imel?

  Just, yeah.

• 1:26:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I need an answer.

• 1:26:05Speaker 02

  David.

• 1:26:06David Imel?

  Popular TikTok alternative.

• 1:26:09Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's gonna work, but.

• 1:26:11Speaker 04

  You should just say reels.

• 1:26:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, you should've just said reels.

• 1:26:14David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:26:15Andrew Manganelli?

  We should've just.

• 1:26:17David Imel?

  I thought you can't say the answer. Oh.

• 1:26:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:22Speaker 06

  You got it.

• 1:26:23Speaker 02

  Let's go.

• 1:26:24Speaker 04

  That would've been so funny if it didn't.

• 1:26:26David Imel?

  That did.

• 1:26:26Speaker 06

  Alright, for the tie, next question.

• 1:26:28Speaker 04

  Too much time left on the clock.

• 1:26:29Speaker 06

  Founders Reggie Brown, Bobby Murphy, and Evan Spiegel made this social media app for sharing messages and pictures. What was it?

• 1:26:37Speaker 04

  Ephemeral Photos.

• 1:26:38David Imel?

  Lively.

• 1:26:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Pokemon Picture Game.

• 1:26:42Speaker 04

  I thought it was Snapchat. Wait, what is the question?

• 1:26:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, wait, it has to say, oh, I was, it's not just called, it's called Snapchat, not Snap.

• 1:26:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, Snapchat.

• 1:26:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, Snapchat.

• 1:26:51Speaker 04

  Ephemeral Photos.

• 1:26:53Andrew Manganelli?

  What's ephemeral?

• 1:26:54Speaker 04

  Disappearing.

• 1:26:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, why don't we just say disappearing?

• 1:26:56Speaker 04

  Disappearing Photos.

• 1:26:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Disappearing Photos app. We can say app, you know?

• 1:27:00Speaker 04

  You can't say app. Self-deleting.

• 1:27:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, Yellow Ghost Icon.

• 1:27:04Speaker 04

  App.

• 1:27:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yellow Ghost Icon.

• 1:27:05Speaker 04

  Yellow Ghost Icon.

• 1:27:07Speaker 06

  Yellow Ghost Icon.

• 1:27:10David Imel?

  Technically, the ghost is white, though, but the background.

• 1:27:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I know, but I think.

• 1:27:13Speaker 04

  It's gonna work.

• 1:27:14David Imel?

  I know.

• 1:27:14Speaker 06

  You got it. There it is.

• 1:27:16David Imel?

  Freaking rolling.

• 1:27:17Andrew Manganelli?

  This is why we got none of them right until time, and now.

• 1:27:21David Imel?

  Every time, I think we've edged you out.

• 1:27:23Speaker 04

  Clutch gene.

• 1:27:23Speaker 06

  Next question. Loot, spelled L-O-O-P-T, was a location-based social media or social networking application developed by one of the founders of OpenAI.

• 1:27:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:35Speaker 06

  Which one?

• 1:27:35David Imel?

  I'm all men.

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  Listen, we could do like worst dude ever, giant [BLEEP] liar.

• 1:27:42David Imel?

  How about CEO, bigot, uh, CEO?

• 1:27:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Pop-caller CEO?

• 1:27:49David Imel?

  Or what about oligarch, list of oligarchs?

• 1:27:53Speaker 02

  Can we use, can we use the term AI? Can we use AI?

• 1:27:57Speaker 04

  Uh, wait, let me.

• 1:27:58David Imel?

  AI CEOs.

• 1:28:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:00David Imel?

  Popular AI CEOs.

• 1:28:02Speaker 06

  Oh, sure, I'll give it to you.

• 1:28:03David Imel?

  Popular AI CEOs.

• 1:28:05Speaker 06

  Is that it?

• 1:28:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:06Speaker 02

  Just, I would just do AI CEOs. We don't even need popular.

• 1:28:09David Imel?

  No, it wasn't.

• 1:28:09Speaker 06

  They got the point. To tie it up or to lose.

• 1:28:11Andrew Manganelli?

  This is a lot of pressure.

• 1:28:13Speaker 06

  So after that correct point, the score is Coastal Elites with 5, Team Lawn Sports with 4. For the tie.

• 1:28:19David Imel?

  Make it hard. Or for the loss.

• 1:28:22Speaker 04

  Make it hard, Adam.

• 1:28:23Speaker 06

  Apple CEO Tim Cook has a middle name. What is it?

• 1:28:26Speaker 02

  Whoa!

• 1:28:28Speaker 04

  I have no clue what it is.

• 1:28:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Apple, what'd you say? Apple CEO Tim Cook?

• 1:28:33Speaker 06

  Has a middle name. What is it?

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  Dude, what if his middle name was Apple Watch?

• 1:28:39Andrew Manganelli?

  How do we get the Apple? How do we just get it to say Tim Cook middle name?

• 1:28:43Speaker 04

  Tech CEO.

• 1:28:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, we can't even say middle name? This is impossible unless we know exactly what.

• 1:28:48Speaker 06

  His middle name is Apple. It's Tim Apple. It's Tim Apple Cook.

• 1:28:52Speaker 02

  Top 500 boys' names.

• 1:28:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Um.

• 1:28:55Speaker 06

  Don't give them that idea.

• 1:28:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, there's so many words we can't use for this.

• 1:29:01Speaker 06

  Tim Apple Cook.

• 1:29:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, I used four words. I said tech executive middle names, but you can't say, there's two words for CEO. We just can't say CEO.

• 1:29:09Andrew Manganelli?

  I guess we use full name? Or we can't say name?

• 1:29:13Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:29:13Andrew Manganelli?

  There's.

• 1:29:14Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 1:29:15Andrew Manganelli?

  This is an impossible question unless we know it.

• 1:29:18Speaker 04

  That's pretty tough because we can't say full names.

• 1:29:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, okay, wait. Popular men's names.

• 1:29:25Speaker 04

  What if you just Googled Tim Cook?

• 1:29:27Speaker 06

  I thought you couldn't say name.

• 1:29:27Andrew Manganelli?

  We can't say Tim Cook.

• 1:29:29Speaker 06

  Can you not say name either?

• 1:29:30Andrew Manganelli?

  We can't say name?

• 1:29:32Speaker 06

  Name because it's in the question. Yeah.

• 1:29:34Speaker 02

  Oh, you can't say Apple or CEO?

• 1:29:36Andrew Manganelli?

  This is impossible.

• 1:29:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:29:38Speaker 02

  You're trying because it's hard.

• 1:29:39Speaker 04

  Is there a possible correct answer to this?

• 1:29:42Speaker 06

  There is.

• 1:29:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, yeah, it's his middle name.

• 1:29:45Speaker 06

  It's just his middle name.

• 1:29:46Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, I guess I don't know what his middle name is. It would really help if I knew what his.

• 1:29:49Speaker 06

  It would really help if you knew what his.

• 1:29:51Speaker 04

  Is it like, if it was like?

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  I would like the opportunity to steal. Oh.

• 1:29:55Speaker 06

  Wait, for why?

• 1:29:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Or ahead.

• 1:29:57Speaker 04

  Anyway.

• 1:29:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Or ahead. What's another word for name?

• 1:30:01Speaker 04

  Certain given.

• 1:30:03Speaker 06

  I want to give you guys a hint, but I also want this game to end. So I'm torn.

• 1:30:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Popular men's.

• 1:30:08Speaker 04

  How about we give up, but then you go to the hint and then we can get it right, but we don't win?

• 1:30:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, uh, we should guess. There's a solid chance of it's just like.

• 1:30:17Speaker 04

  Okay, we can guess. We'll guess, um.

• 1:30:22Andrew Manganelli?

  We just need a list of names. We need a big list of names and hope it's a normal one.

• 1:30:27Speaker 02

  Popular boy babies.

• 1:30:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I mean, like honestly, it's probably babies. Popular boy.

• 1:30:31Speaker 04

  Middle names.

• 1:30:32Andrew Manganelli?

  We can't say names.

• 1:30:33Speaker 04

  Jesus.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  I was thinking you could go.

• 1:30:37Speaker 06

  This would be so hard.

• 1:30:38Speaker 02

  If you knew the name. You need his like full, like his Wikipedia page to pop up, right? So it's like, what if it was like Apple executive or iPhone executive full?

• 1:30:46Speaker 04

  Stop giving.

• 1:30:46Speaker 06

  Ellis really wants to stop.

• 1:30:48Speaker 02

  Go for another two hours.

• 1:30:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you want to listen?

• 1:30:50Speaker 02

  I thought they said they were getting them.

• 1:30:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Trying to get names is. I think we just go names.

• 1:30:57Speaker 06

  You can't say name.

• 1:30:58Speaker 04

  Tim Apple.

• 1:31:00Speaker 06

  You can't say Tim.

• 1:31:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Can't say Tim.

• 1:31:01Speaker 06

  Can't say Tim.

• 1:31:01Speaker 04

  You can't say Apple.

• 1:31:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Apple. Oh my God. Fruit man.

• 1:31:07Speaker 06

  Fruit company.

• 1:31:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Middle.

• 1:31:10Speaker 06

  I don't know.

• 1:31:10Speaker 04

  You can't say middle.

• 1:31:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think you can say middle.

• 1:31:13Speaker 06

  You can't say middle.

• 1:31:14Speaker 04

  Do you think that the, do you think that the executive page on apple.com says, that says all the executive names?

• 1:31:20Andrew Manganelli?

  They don't even list their RAM in the iPhone. Why would they say his middle name?

• 1:31:24Speaker 06

  Do you guys want the hint?

• 1:31:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I want to tie.

• 1:31:28Speaker 06

  Or do you want to just like call it?

• 1:31:29Speaker 04

  Let's take the hint.

• 1:31:31Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:31:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, wait, do we lose if we take the hint?

• 1:31:33Speaker 06

  No, no, fine. Let's keep going.

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  Oh my.

• 1:31:36Speaker 04

  All right, we'll take the hint. We'll take the hint.

• 1:31:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I was gonna say we should just go for it.

• 1:31:40Speaker 04

  Like a list of middle names? You can't say middle or name.

• 1:31:44Speaker 06

  Wait, so you're taking the hint?

• 1:31:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Popular boy babies, I think, would get just a big list of names.

• 1:31:52Speaker 04

  True.

• 1:31:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you think it's a common middle name? Do you think it's a common name for his middle name?

• 1:31:56Speaker 04

  I bet it is.

• 1:31:56Andrew Manganelli?

  His name's Tim.

• 1:31:57Speaker 04

  His name is Tim.

• 1:31:57Speaker 06

  From the Midwest, dude.

• 1:31:59Speaker 02

  Oh, it's not.

• 1:31:59Speaker 06

  Texas.

• 1:32:00Speaker 02

  Mobile, Alabama.

• 1:32:01Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought it was from Alabama.

• 1:32:03Speaker 06

  Isn't Alabama the Midwest?

• 1:32:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Absolutely.

• 1:32:05Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:32:06Speaker 06

  The South.

• 1:32:07Speaker 04

  It's definitely the Midwest.

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  Alabama's an F1 driver.

• 1:32:13Speaker 04

  Okay, let's take the hint.

• 1:32:15Speaker 06

  The hint is he shares this name with the President of the United States. It's his first name.

• 1:32:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:32:24Speaker 06

  It's his first name? Oh.

• 1:32:26Speaker 04

  Okay, so Trump.

• 1:32:29Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I would just do like.

• 1:32:30Speaker 04

  I'm saying Google Trump.

• 1:32:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Biblical names.

• 1:32:32Speaker 06

  Oh, I see.

• 1:32:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Biblical. I can't say, can I say names?

• 1:32:36Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:32:36Speaker 02

  I don't think that's a.

• 1:32:37Speaker 06

  He said middle name.

• 1:32:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that his middle name? That's his.

• 1:32:40Speaker 04

  Is his middle name Donald?

• 1:32:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I know it's J. No, Donald Trump's middle name.

• 1:32:44Speaker 06

  First name of the president.

• 1:32:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, oh, never mind. That is not a biblical name. Unless he has something to do with. Oh.

• 1:32:51Speaker 04

  Duck.

• 1:32:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, President.

• 1:32:53Speaker 06

  Duck?

• 1:32:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Of US.

• 1:32:54Speaker 02

  I have another guess.

• 1:32:56Speaker 04

  If you just Google Trump, it'll come up, but I don't want it to be that easy.

• 1:33:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, that's too easy. We can just lose.

• 1:33:01Speaker 04

  Now it's too easy.

• 1:33:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Hold on, do this. Since I said it, just do popular boy babies. And if that works, then we stay in.

• 1:33:08Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:33:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, we lose either way, right?

• 1:33:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, try it. Try it.

• 1:33:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Popular boy baby.

• 1:33:12Speaker 06

  That's not coming out. Donald's not coming out.

• 1:33:14Speaker 02

  Just the word Donald to come out, or do you need, oh dude, just do like duck cartoon guy?

• 1:33:19Speaker 06

  That's what I was thinking.

• 1:33:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I didn't know what it was.

• 1:33:22Speaker 06

  Jaffe's the girl, though.

• 1:33:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Donald's not there.

• 1:33:23Speaker 04

  That's a fair L. We did not know his middle name.

• 1:33:26Speaker 06

  Popular boy baby. Well, that means that the winner is.

• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  Team Coastal Elites. Oh, yeah, that.

• 1:33:34Speaker 04

  Congrats. Congratulations to the Coastal Elites. You, you get this one.

• 1:33:38Speaker 06

  Once again.

• 1:33:39Speaker 04

  Unfortunately. Unfortunately, there are no real points associated with that one. I know that there are real points associated with, though.

• 1:33:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, we didn't.

• 1:33:48Speaker 04

  Trivia.

• 1:33:49Speaker 06

  We stopped to do, ah, dude.

• 1:33:51Speaker 04

  Trivia, that's so funny.

• 1:33:52Speaker 06

  Ellis, you want to do your question from there?

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  I'm already here.

• 1:33:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, might as well.

• 1:33:55Speaker 02

  Guys, what came first? PlayStation Online, which it technically wasn't called PlayStation Online at that point, but like, you know what I mean? On the PlayStation 2 or Xbox Live? And I'll give you a bonus point if you can name a game that at launch was part of the six titles that had online capabilities on the PlayStation 2. I don't remember all of them off the top of my head.

• 1:34:27Speaker 04

  You keep saying that and I can't tell if you're giving away the answer or not.

• 1:34:31Speaker 02

  I don't know if it was a launch title on the PlayStation 2, but I know when the online service launched, this title was like launched with it.

• 1:34:38Andrew Manganelli?

  But I feel, well, you wouldn't guess by what I flipped, but I'm assuming you're giving away the answer by saying, but all of us still picked Xbox.

• 1:34:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're all wrong.

• 1:34:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like you were giving it away by constantly saying.

• 1:34:50Speaker 06

  He was indeed.

• 1:34:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Pick one of these and also.

• 1:34:53Speaker 06

  I really thought.

• 1:34:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Pick the next part of the correct answer that I'm giving up.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  That, that would make sense, but it was just because PlayStation was like in the, in the thing.

• 1:35:02Speaker 04

  So Need for Speed wasn't one of them?

• 1:35:04Speaker 02

  Uh, Need for Speed was not one of them. Uh, those might have launched with it on the Xbox, but the only game that I really recognized is like, oh yeah, I know that game is Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3.

• 1:35:14Speaker 04

  There's no online.

• 1:35:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:35:16Speaker 04

  So it was on PlayStation?

• 1:35:17Speaker 02

  It was on PlayStation.

• 1:35:18Speaker 06

  Next question. The iPad Pro first generation came out in 2015, but do you remember how much RAM it had? Go.

• 1:35:25Speaker 02

  I thought it had way more than this. Pro.

• 1:35:28Speaker 06

  Pro.

• 1:35:28Speaker 04

  There's two answers, right?

• 1:35:29Speaker 06

  Two answers. One point each. The score, why do you guys do that? Marquez with zero. Andrew and David tied at one. Because the score is reset.

• 1:35:39Speaker 04

  The first one, the first pro?

• 1:35:42Speaker 06

  The first generation pro.

• 1:35:43Andrew Manganelli?

  No, you know what? Wait, it was an iPad Pro or was it like an iPad just bigger?

• 1:35:47Speaker 06

  I, what? iPad Pro.

• 1:35:49Speaker 04

  Hole.

• 1:35:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:35:52Speaker 04

  I can't decide on how much the other one would be. Yeah, it's.

• 1:35:56Speaker 06

  Flip him and read. What do you got?

• 1:35:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, we ran the game.

• 1:35:59Speaker 04

  They all had different answers.

• 1:36:01Speaker 06

  Okay, Marquez, go first.

• 1:36:02Speaker 04

  I said one gig and two gigs.

• 1:36:05Speaker 06

  One gig is wrong. Two gigs is right.

• 1:36:08Speaker 04

  For, wait for the bigger one?

• 1:36:09Speaker 06

  We'll see. We'll see.

• 1:36:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I said two gigs and three gigs.

• 1:36:14Speaker 06

  Two gigs and three gigs?

• 1:36:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:16Speaker 06

  Two gigs is correct. So you get the point, David. What'd you say?

• 1:36:20Speaker 02

  Four gigs and six gigs.

• 1:36:22Speaker 06

  Four gigs and six gigs. You get the point.

• 1:36:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, because four is right?

• 1:36:27Speaker 06

  Four is right.

• 1:36:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Am I the only person, but am I the only one who got it? I'm not trying to change. I know people get mad when I bring it up. I'm not trying to change anything.

• 1:36:34Speaker 06

  You did not get it right.

• 1:36:35Andrew Manganelli?

  What? Two was on the lower. I'm the only one who got it right on the correct model is what I'm saying.

• 1:36:39Speaker 06

  But I was, that wasn't the question.

• 1:36:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Just saying. Bonus. Fake point. Look at Andrew.

• 1:36:45Speaker 06

  Nice.

• 1:36:45Speaker 04

  So was it three and?

• 1:36:47Speaker 06

  No, it's two and four.

• 1:36:48Speaker 02

  I was gonna guess three and four, so, okay.

• 1:36:51Speaker 06

  Two, two gigs on the 9.7 inch, four gigs on the 12.9 inch.

• 1:36:54Speaker 04

  We'll take it. Well, that leaves a couple more points out there now. Appreciate the resetting the score for trivia extravaganza. So we'll have plenty of time to build up points over the new season. But anyway, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening and thanks for, of course, following and rating. I know a lot of y'all go on the podcast players that you listen to and rate Waveform very highly, which is very exciting and very happy. Uh, so we appreciate that. Uh, leave us a comment on YouTube if you made it this far. It should say dream beans.

• 1:37:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:37:26Speaker 04

  Catch you guys in the next one.

• 1:37:27Andrew Manganelli?

  No free ads.

• 1:37:28Speaker 04

  Peace.

• 1:37:30Speaker 02

  Can I do it this week?

• 1:37:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, do it.

• 1:37:32Speaker 02

  Waveform is produced by Adam, Malia and Ellis Rovin. Our introduction music is by Vane Sill and we're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. And I want to extend a very, very, very special thank you to LeBron James. Thank you, goat.

• 1:37:48Speaker 04

  It's a five.

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  I'm on roids.

• 1:37:59Andrew Manganelli?

  We know.

• 1:38:00Speaker 02

  Sound roids.

• 1:38:01Speaker 04

  And I'm on Android.

• 1:38:03Speaker 06

  I'm on Android.

• 1:38:06Speaker 01

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